Christie Cales Missing(Stacys mom)

[Indy Gal]

This is the thread for Stacys mom....

[SeriouslySearching]

Great idea, Indy! I think it is important she not be forgotten in this investigation. She could have met with foul play via DP herself. It isn't out of the realm of possibilities.

[Indy Gal]

http://www.nampn.org/cases/cales_christie.html

[Littledeer]

Does anyone know if Christie's purse or bible were ever found? Any witnessess who saw her walking that evening? Any news articles??

[Tom'sGirl]

~ snip from article at: http://tinyurl.com/yrvaso

It's been nearly 10 years since Stacy's mother, Christie Cales, has been heard from, as she has seemingly disappeared without a trace. But in the early years of Anthony and Linda Cales' marriage, Christie was still around.

"She always up and vanished and then all of a sudden she would show up wanting to see the kids," she said. "She wasn't exactly the model mother.

"I was taking care of the kids and they looked at me as if I was Mom."

When Linda and Anthony Cales decided to divorce around 2000, it was their stepmother with whom the kids wanted to live, according to Linda Cales.

[SuziQ]

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Greta is asking for questions to ask about Stacey's mothers disappearance!

by Greta Van Susteren
One of the segments we will be doing tonight is looking into Stacy Peterson’s mother — who coincidentally disappeared when Stacy was 15. Yes, vanished from her family…left the kids..etc…what happened to her??? Check in tonight at 10pm and we will have the latest….
But before you click out of this blog, I need help from you: what question do you have about the disappearance? Post your question right here….I will read these comments before I do the interview at 10pm eastern!!

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11...00-pm-eastern/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/12/tease-about-tonights-show-on-the-record-at-1000-pm-eastern/)

[solidarity]

I think there is a very strong physical resemblance between Stacy's mom and wife No. 3!!

[SuziQ]

Crossposting this from the Stacy thread. Just past halfway through the tape Ric Sims talks about Stacy's mom. He mentions, IIRC, that they tried to find her at one time her ssn showed that a cable service was under her name. They went to the house and the residents said they didn't know a Christy Cales and they had been at that address for 40 years. I'm thinking someone mistyped the SSN.

Very interesting phone call between Greta and Ric Sims. He explains why he is not staying at his house. Go to the below link and click on the blue and white soundwave box.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11...ms-has-to-say/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/12/gretacast-listen-to-what-sgt-petersons-friend-ric-mims-has-to-say/)

[SuziQ]

I think there is a very strong physical resemblance between Stacy's mom and wife No. 3!!

They all resemble each other don't they?

[truecrime]

Just google mapped Bolingbrook to Blue Island where stacy's mom disappeared and came up with 27 miles. Odd? Very close to DP. Maybe stacy's mom knew DP first:waitasec: ?

[arielilane]

Just google mapped Bolingbrook to Blue Island where stacy's mom disappeared and came up with 27 miles. Odd? Very close to DP. Maybe stacy's mom knew DP first:waitasec: ?
truecrime, I really hope that LE is checking this out, sure seems odd to me.

[SuziQ]

Just google mapped Bolingbrook to Blue Island where stacy's mom disappeared and came up with 27 miles. Odd? Very close to DP. Maybe stacy's mom knew DP first:waitasec: ?

27 miles is close?

[mssheila]

I think there is a very strong physical resemblance between Stacy's mom and wife No. 3!!

Wow, that's bizarre

[mssheila]

Did we ever find out for sure whether DP dated SP's older sister before she died? Or did we ever find out what year DP was introduced to that family?

[Indy Gal]

From what i heard it is NOT fact yet!

[SuziQ]

Did we ever find out for sure whether DP dated SP's older sister before she died? Or did we ever find out what year DP was introduced to that family?

I asked Greta to ask about that tonight and if that is how Drew may have met Stacy's mom.

[Tom'sGirl]

I asked Greta to ask about that tonight and if that is how Drew may have met Stacy's mom.

You and about 50 others asked that. I wonder how many times they are going to bring up if both wife #1 & #2 are alive :)

[SuziQ]

You and about 50 others asked that. I wonder how many times they are going to bring up if both wife #1 & #2 are alive :)

And poor Betty keeps having to kill wife #1 off with blogicide. lol

[Tom'sGirl]

And poor Betty keeps having to kill wife #1 off with blogicide. lol

That was funny!

[mssheila]

This is the info we got from Greta on her show tonight- here is the transcript that pertained to Stacy's mom:

3rd Segment: Topic: Stacey's mother.

Jennifer Goals of Naperville Sun is being interviewed. SHE TALKS SUPER FAST!

Stacy's parents were divorced before she disappeared. Dad had already remarried. They were living in florida. Mom was very intermittent in her life. At around age 17 she never came back to visit again. Dad is alive and mom's missing. Lots of leads that ended up as dead ends, family believes that mom may be dead as well. Family had tried to hire PI.

Cales family had a hard time. According to family friend, when cristy left it was after the death of a second daughter. Very hard to cope- it was her way of dealing with it. One daughter died in a house fire, one died of sids. Stacey's daughter is named after her sister (that died of SIDS) - Laci. Brother has been in trouble. Is serving a 54 month prison sentence for sexual assault. He was 23 and victim was 15. Police reports do not indicate whether the victim was known to him.

Stacy's father- Anthony Cales. Not a lot known about him. His ex wife is the one who talked to this reporter. Ex wife says Anthony had alcohol issues when the girls were growing up. Is stacy on good terms? Don't know. No one has seen him in this issue. Not at searches, etc.... Cassandra is Stacy's sister who she is very close to. Tina was stacy's half sister- shared same mother- different father. Tina died last year of cancer.

*WHEW* I did my best- I rewound, but this lady talks really, really fast. I didn't know that Stacy was not living with her mother when mother disappeared.

[Taximom]

Great job, mssheila! Thank you very much.

[SuziQ]

Mssheila, that was great!

[Taximom]

So we still don't know if it's true that DP supposedly dated Stacy's sister, right?

Do we know enough now at least to say that DP knew Stacy the same time her mom disappeared for the last time?

[Leila]

It sounds like Christie Cales had some serious problems. Certainly, she was grief-stricken with the death of her two young children, the one (Jessica?) who died in a house fire in 1982 and Laci who died of SIDS in 1987. If her husband, Anthony Cales, had an alcohol problem and wasn't supportive, that would have made it all the more difficult. A divorce, on top of her grief, may have just been too much.

I think it's possible we'll never know what happened to Christie Cales.

[solidarity]

One daughter died in a house fire, one died of sids. Tina died last year of cancer.

Am I getting this right??? How unlucky was this family?? Does this mean that Stacey's mother would have lost of all her children?

One to a fire
One to SIDS
One to Cancer
and now one possibly to murder??

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, Solidarity. AND she is also missing.

[dee10134]

27 miles is close?

Yes. These are all suburbs of Chicago. Within the Chicagoland metropolitan area.

Blue Island borders Chicago on the south side.

Bolingbrook is "out in the boonies" but is still considered a suburb.

Many people commute to Chicago from Bolingbrook on a daily basis for their jobs, shopping, etc. so that drive is considered "nothing" to most suburbanites.

ETA: Also, there are A LOT of Chicago cops and firefighters that live on the southernmost border of the city, as the city requires them to live within the city limits as a condition of their employment. It's possible that some areas that are considered Blue Island have Chicago zip codes and are then thought of as a city address, so maybe DP had some Chicago cop buddies living in or around Blue Island....

[SuziQ]

Yes. These are all suburbs of Chicago. Within the Chicagoland metropolitan area.

Blue Island borders Chicago on the south side.

Bolingbrook is "out in the boonies" but is still considered a suburb.

Many people commute to Chicago from Bolingbrook on a daily basis for their jobs, shopping, etc. so that drive is considered "nothing" to most suburbanites.

ETA: Also, there are A LOT of Chicago cops and firefighters that live on the southernmost border of the city, as the city requires them to live within the city limits as a condition of their employment. It's possible that some areas that are considered Blue Island have Chicago zip codes and are then thought of as a city address, so maybe DP had some Chicago cop buddies living in or around Blue Island....

I think Drew has "buddies" everywhere. I grew up L.A., same thing, big city surrounded by burbs. 27 miles is not close enough to make a connection based on distance. It's not like they would have been hanging out together at the local bar or running into each other at the grocery story.

[dee10134]

I think Drew has "buddies" everywhere. I grew up L.A., same thing, big city surrounded by burbs. 27 miles is not close enough to make a connection based on distance. It's not like they would have been hanging out together at the local bar or running into each other at the grocery story.

You never know, he may have been traveling there regularly to meet up with or see his friends.

I grew up in Chicago and still have many friends in Chicago. Even though I now live more than 30 miles from my friends, I still go down there at least once a month, sometimes twice, and hang out with them at the local bar or their houses or downtown.

[Littledeer]

After reading and rereading, I really can't see the Lion having anything to do with Christine's disappearnce.

But that little nagging doubt, just won't leave me.

[Leila]

Late last night I read Gretawire comments regarding last night's interviews. Towards the ends of the comments there was a post by breezesblue at 2:22am as follows:

Comment by breezesblue November 13th, 2007 at 2:22 am (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/12/post-your-monday-night-show-comments-right-here/#comment-71131)

if this post already posted then please ignore…thank you
GRETA…PLEASE READ…IMPORTANT INFORMATION
Greta…
I’ve posted this before but hopefully you will see this one… I HAVE FOUND INFORMATION ON A “CHRISTIE CALES”. I don’t want to post this information on here out of respect for her privacy if this isn’t Stacys mother. I do alot of investigation work and use professional sources.
I’ve been trying to find an email address to send you the information but I haven’t been able to find one…please email me and I’ll gladly forward the information.
Keep up the great job.
Peace!
~BB~

[Littledeer]

Leila:

I also have been trying to search for Christina Cales, but have a very slow modem line.................(50.6kbs) and it I was still waiting for over 3 hours later yesterday just for NEWSPAPERS ARTICLES written in 3/1998 from the Blue Island area newspaper.

I hope BB, can get a hold of Greta and share the information she/he has.

[SeekingJana]

It seems to me that with all the national publicity Stacy's case is deservedly receiving, that someone would be online who knew her, and could give us more details about DP hanging around these women ( and a minor aged girl) if he did. I think it's more likely that he did than that he didn't, but where are Christie's friends and family who could possibly shed light on what happened to her?

If I knew that Drew Peterson interacted with Christie, then she disappeared, then his wife died a suspicious death and with the news of Stacy's disappearance with foul play likely involved, I would be calling state LE, emailing Greta, going online to tell people, you name it.

[Littledeer]

Jana:

I am thinking likewise. I did do a timeline trying to see if there was a possiblity that DP was hanging around Stacy (or even Tina, as there is still an UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR that he had dated her) prior to Christie's disappearnce.

It is so close, this it can't be ruled out.

[Littledeer]

the above should have Tina's name first then Stacy according to their ages.

(Tina was older than Stacy).

[Leila]

Leila:

I also have been trying to search for Christina Cales, but have a very slow modem line.................(50.6kbs) and it I was still waiting for over 3 hours later yesterday just for NEWSPAPERS ARTICLES written in 3/1998 from the Blue Island area newspaper.

I hope BB, can get a hold of Greta and share the information she/he has.


I've also done some preliminary research into Christie Cales, and can't find anything after her disappearance.

There's numerous possibilities. She could be deceased; she could be alive and just based on her prior behavior, too overwhelmed by this news to react and contact her surviving daughters; she could have undergone some sort of therapy for her problems and is now remarried (hence why we can't find anything), but is afraid.

[Littledeer]

With all the news about Stacy, her DAUGHTER, who is considered missing, or even murdered:

I can only theorized two possibilities:

1.) If she did indeed leave because of the stress of losing two daughters, one in 1982, and one in 1987, YET, DOESN'T TAKE OFF UNTIL 1998???? (6 years after the last daughter's death)?? That possibly this lastest information, if she is alive, has sent her over the edge.

2.) She is unaware of Stacy's disappearance, because she
herself is no longer alive.

I honestly can't fathom any other possibilites. Anyone else??

[dee10134]

Leila:

I also have been trying to search for Christina Cales, but have a very slow modem line.................(50.6kbs) and it I was still waiting for over 3 hours later yesterday just for NEWSPAPERS ARTICLES written in 3/1998 from the Blue Island area newspaper.

I hope BB, can get a hold of Greta and share the information she/he has.

FYI: Blue Island doesn't have a newspaper as far as I"m aware of. They read the Chicago newspapers or the Daily Southtown.

The more popularly read Chicago newspapers are as follows:
- Chicago Sun-Times
- Chicago Tribune
- Daily Southtown
- Daily Herald
- Joliet Herald

Then suburbanites in the western and southwestern suburbs would read any newspaper published by Suburban Chicago News (part of the Sun-Times Newsgroup).

[dee10134]

Is this the Christie we're researching?

California Birth Index, 1905-1995 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5247&enc=1)
about Christie Lynn Cales

Name: Christie Lynn Cales
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1947
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Hutchings
Birth County: Alameda

[Tom'sGirl]

Is this the Christie we're researching?

California Birth Index, 1905-1995 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5247&enc=1)
about Christie Lynn Cales

Name: Christie Lynn Cales
Birth Date: 21 Feb 1947
Gender: Female
Mother's Maiden Name: Hutchings
Birth County: Alameda


Don't know dee, but if so, that would make her only 3 months away from turning 61.The records I found show an age of 49, and for Stacy's dad Anthony, 53.

I also found her middle initial to be be 'M', IF the records I found are correct.

[Cakegirl]

The doe network shows her middle name as "Marie" with a DOB of Jan 25, 1958... if that's correct. :)

[Tom'sGirl]

The doe network shows her middle name as "Marie" with a DOB of Jan 25, 1958... if that's correct. :)

Kinda think it is since the family gave the information, thank you CG ;)

[Cakegirl]

Does anyone know what her maiden name was?

I'm wondering if maybe, if she did leave on her own free will, she started going by her maiden name instead. I'm hoping that she's out there somewhere and okay... but I'm getting the feeling that's not the case. :(

[Tom'sGirl]

Does anyone know what her maiden name was?



Associated names:
http://www.peoplefinders.com/images/spacer.gif
CALLES, CHRISTY M
TAYLOR, CHRISTY M
TOUTGES, CHRISTIE

[Cakegirl]

Associated names:
http://www.peoplefinders.com/images/spacer.gif
CALLES, CHRISTY M
TAYLOR, CHRISTY M
TOUTGES, CHRISTIE


Thank you! :)

[Littledeer]

okay guys..........

WILL NOTE ALL OF THIS UNDER "KEY PLAYERS. I'll just put it in as a AKA.

[Littledeer]

dee:

That is probably why it was taking so long last night...........downloading one of the larger newspapers from the area.

[Tom'sGirl]

Thank you! :)

Your more than welcome!

[Littledeer]

I think a search under Toutges might give some information.

But possibly a previously married name if DP did his usual MO......????

Don't know how important this is as no one from the family has said anything about Christie. But here at WS everyone is important!

Doesn't appear anything needs to be change about Christine on the "Key Players" thread based on the above.

However, interesting that Cales can also be spelled Calles??? Did you find anything more on that last name spelled that way???

[dee10134]

Don't know dee, but if so, that would make her only 3 months away from turning 61.The records I found show an age of 49, and for Stacy's dad Anthony, 53.

I also found her middle initial to be be 'M', IF the records I found are correct.


:doh: lol

[itsreenw]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2263dfil.html

Christie Marie Cales
Missing since March 11, 1998 from Blue Island, Illinois
Classification: Endangered Missing


Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: January 25, 1958
Age at Time of Disappearance: 40 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 140 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: Tattoo of the name "Sean" on left breast, multi-colored tattoo of a "dove" with an "olive branch" in its mouth on hip.
Clothing: Carrying a purse and bible.
AKA: Chris

Circumstances of Disappearance
Christie was last seen at approximately 4:30pm in the vicinity of the 2300 block of W. 199th Street in Blue Island, IL.
Cales left her home, clutching a Bible, saying she was going to church.
Cales' family never saw the mother of six again.
Cales lost one little girl in a Downers Grove house fire in 1982 and then another child to SIDS in 1987. Cales had a history of vanishing for weeks on end, after the loss of two young children.
Relatives filed a missing person report, but it never resulted in any solid leads

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Blue Island Police Department
708-396-7025
Agency Case Number: 98-14519
NCIC Number:
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
National Center for Missing Adults (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300823S)

[Cakegirl]

Is there any way of knowing if maybe DP had arrested Stacys mom at some point?? Would that be public record?

I'm just trying to think of any connection the two (DP & Christie Cales) may have had... the fact that she just vanished to me is extremely frustrating and sad.

[SuziQ]

In Rics first phone call with Greta, Ric states that Drew and Stacy tracked Christie's SSN# to some addresses that lead to dead ends. One example he gave was a cable service in MS. had her SSN linked to a customer. The people at the address did not know who Christie was and had lived in that house for 40 years.

My theory on why the SSN# linked info never panned out is that they were a mistype. Other than the dead ends, it sounds like there has been no other activities on Christies SSN#. That's not a good sign. And while Christie had run off before, she always came back.

[Cakegirl]

Hmmm --> What about this bar that DP owned in the 90's? I'm trying to see where it was located -- and maybe if this could be a connection between DP & Christie Cales. Someone had previously posted that the bar DP owned was always full of drug dealers, shady characters, etc.

DP definitely didn't try too hard to appear on the up & up it seemed. But then again, when you've got shady people covering your tracks I guess maybe you don't have to be.
:loser:

[itsreenw]

Christie's family and friends seem to think that overwhelming grief from losing 2 children is the reason she left and never came back.

Her babies died in 1982 and 1987. She waited a long time to abandon her surviving kids. She left for periods of time but always returned.
If she planned to leave for good, she would've taken some personal belongings with her other than a Bible.

Kathleen Savio stated that within 5 yrs of her marriage to DP (in 1992), she began receiving letters about DP having an affair. The article I read said that the letters referred to Stacey. Five years would have been 1997. Stacey would have been 13 yrs old. I wonder who sent those letters to Kathleen.

Early 1998, Stacey's mom disappears. Is it possible that DP started pursuing Stacey when she was only 13 and her mother forbade DP to see her young daughter so he made her disappear?? Could that be why speaks with such disdain for Christie? There is no proof, other than DP's word that they started dating when she was 17. That's when they went public with it.

Ric Mims said DP insinuated that Stacey was promiscuos when she was younger. He supposedly met her when she was 17, they married when she was 17, so how did he know what her younger yrs were like? Unless he knew her during those years!!! And it is likely that he's lying anyway to make her look bad and him look like a victim of a loose, young wife.

[curiositycat]

I too am good at "finding" information and people. I have found two people with that name but a different age. I think that either someone used her ss# once or like someone else mentioned it was a typo.
I don't think the woman is living.



Late last night I read Gretawire comments regarding last night's interviews. Towards the ends of the comments there was a post by breezesblue at 2:22am as follows:

Comment by breezesblue November 13th, 2007 at 2:22 am (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/12/post-your-monday-night-show-comments-right-here/#comment-71131)

if this post already posted then please ignore…thank you
GRETA…PLEASE READ…IMPORTANT INFORMATION
Greta…
I’ve posted this before but hopefully you will see this one… I HAVE FOUND INFORMATION ON A “CHRISTIE CALES”. I don’t want to post this information on here out of respect for her privacy if this isn’t Stacys mother. I do alot of investigation work and use professional sources.
I’ve been trying to find an email address to send you the information but I haven’t been able to find one…please email me and I’ll gladly forward the information.
Keep up the great job.
Peace!
~BB~

[browneyedgirl]

I think there is a very strong physical resemblance between Stacy's mom and wife No. 3!!

I thought the very same thing, S. I also think pics of a young Kathy look alot like Stacey.

[browneyedgirl]

Jana:

I am thinking likewise. I did do a timeline trying to see if there was a possiblity that DP was hanging around Stacy (or even Tina, as there is still an UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOR that he had dated her) prior to Christie's disappearnce.

It is so close, this it can't be ruled out.

He's been confirmed to be a stalker of his wives. Maybe he stalks them from afar before he even meets them and "accidentally" sets up the meeting, bumping into them in a grocery line, holding the door open for them at a local dry cleaners...etc.....see where I'm going with this?

I know it's probably out there, but hey, stranger things are coming out about this man every second it seems.:twocents:

[browneyedgirl]

Christie's family and friends seem to think that overwhelming grief from losing 2 children is the reason she left and never came back.

Her babies died in 1982 and 1987. She waited a long time to abandon her surviving kids. She left for periods of time but always returned.
If she planned to leave for good, she would've taken some personal belongings with her other than a Bible.

Kathleen Savio stated that within 5 yrs of her marriage to DP (in 1992), she began receiving letters about DP having an affair. The article I read said that the letters referred to Stacey. Five years would have been 1997. Stacey would have been 13 yrs old. I wonder who sent those letters to Kathleen.

Early 1998, Stacey's mom disappears. Is it possible that DP started pursuing Stacey when she was only 13 and her mother forbade DP to see her young daughter so he made her disappear?? Could that be why speaks with such disdain for Christie? There is no proof, other than DP's word that they started dating when she was 17. That's when they went public with it.

Ric Mims said DP insinuated that Stacey was promiscuos when she was younger. He supposedly met her when she was 17, they married when she was 17, so how did he know what her younger yrs were like? Unless he knew her during those years!!! And it is likely that he's lying anyway to make her look bad and him look like a victim of a loose, young wife.

Very good sleuthing, itsreenw. It's sounds very plausible that her mother would do that.
I think it odd that if her mom was planning on leaving, for good, that she only took her bible and purse? I would think that if she was planning to leave for good, you would think she would want some pics of her children.
Does anyone know of she took any of her belongings with her when she left before?

[Tom'sGirl]

Very good sleuthing, itsreenw. It's sounds very plausible that her mother would do that.
I think it odd that if her mom was planning on leaving, for good, that she only took her bible and purse? I would think that if she was planning to leave for good, you would think she would want some pics of her children.

Does anyone know of she took any of her belongings with her when she left before?


The only thing that has been recorded was the Bible and purse. She and Stacy's dad were already divorced when she disappeared.

I am curious about who was the person who last saw her, and knew what she had with her? I guess one of the family members would know that.

[browneyedgirl]

The only thing that has been recorded was the Bible and purse. She and Stacy's dad were already divorced when she disappeared.

I am curious about who was the person who last saw her, and knew what she had with her? I guess one of the family members would know that.

Hi Tom'sGirl, I am curious about those things as well.

I was meaning when she had left before and came back home. It think it was something like 2 or 3 different times she had left before the time she left and dissappeared for good.

[Cakegirl]

Hmmm --> What about this bar that DP owned in the 90's? I'm trying to see where it was located -- and maybe if this could be a connection between DP & Christie Cales.

I'm still thinking there could be a possibility that DP knew Christie Cales -- either directly or by association. Who knows... maybe DP met Stacy years ago and kept her under his eye until the mom disappeared. So I looked up a few places that we knew he frequented in the 90's when Christie disappeared...

From the pub/bar that DP owned with wife #3 (Kathleen) -- it was located in Montgomery, which is 20.12 miles west of BB.

From the print shop that DP owned with wife #3 -- it was located north of BB about 15.03 miles if being located in Lombard is correct.

And Blue Island where Christie (Stacy's mom) went missing from -- it is 26.64 miles away from BB going southeast.


What's everyones thoughts on if they knew each other?

[SeriouslySearching]

Christie's family and friends seem to think that overwhelming grief from losing 2 children is the reason she left and never came back.

Her babies died in 1982 and 1987. She waited a long time to abandon her surviving kids. She left for periods of time but always returned.
If she planned to leave for good, she would've taken some personal belongings with her other than a Bible.

Kathleen Savio stated that within 5 yrs of her marriage to DP (in 1992), she began receiving letters about DP having an affair. The article I read said that the letters referred to Stacey. Five years would have been 1997. Stacey would have been 13 yrs old. I wonder who sent those letters to Kathleen.

Early 1998, Stacey's mom disappears. Is it possible that DP started pursuing Stacey when she was only 13 and her mother forbade DP to see her young daughter so he made her disappear?? Could that be why speaks with such disdain for Christie? There is no proof, other than DP's word that they started dating when she was 17. That's when they went public with it.

Ric Mims said DP insinuated that Stacey was promiscuos when she was younger. He supposedly met her when she was 17, they married when she was 17, so how did he know what her younger yrs were like? Unless he knew her during those years!!! And it is likely that he's lying anyway to make her look bad and him look like a victim of a loose, young wife.This is what I have been saying all along. Altho...the reason he went public with it was to insinuate the affair had just begun when she was 17 to avoid facing statuatory rape charges or sexual molestation of a minor child charges.

[itsreenw]

I'm still thinking there could be a possibility that DP knew Christie Cales -- either directly or by association. Who knows... maybe DP met Stacy years ago and kept her under his eye until the mom disappeared. So I looked up a few places that we knew he frequented in the 90's when Christie disappeared...

From the pub/bar that DP owned with wife #3 (Kathleen) -- it was located in Montgomery, which is 20.12 miles west of BB.

From the print shop that DP owned with wife #3 -- it was located north of BB about 15.03 miles if being located in Lombard is correct.

And Blue Island where Christie (Stacy's mom) went missing from -- it is 26.64 miles away from BB going southeast.


What's everyones thoughts on if they knew each other?

Cakegirl, you bring up some excellent points in your posts. And yes, i believe they knew each other or atleast DP knew Christie.


Another possibility...Maybe DP crossed paths with Stacey Cales in 1997 when Anthony Cales moved himself and the kids back to IL ...

If Stacey had a secret relationship with DP she may have confided in him that her mom was in and out of their lives. We can all tell that DP has issues with women. He may have been acting as Stacey's protector in his own sick mind and eliminated Christie from popping in and out of his new, young love interest's life. Being only 13 or 14, Stacey wouldn't have thought DP had anything to do with it.

[itsreenw]

Been wondering about this...The missing persons sites say that Christie left home saying she was going to church and that her family never saw her again.

Well, according to the timeline at http://www.acandyrose.com/stacy_peterson_recap.htm

it indicates that Christina (Tina), was in foster care and Anthony had physical custody of the other kids, (Stacey, Cassandra and Yelton) so what family did Christie leave (as in who did she live with??) Who said she left clutching her Bible?

[itsreenw]

Linda Cales, Stacy's stepmom until 2002, speaks about Christie and Anthony Cales.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/638131,4_1_JO07_MISSING_S2.article




...But it wasn't a father figure Stacy was seeking, Linda Cales said, at least not a father like her own.
"The abuse was there," she said. "He would want to discipline the kids and spank them when he was drunk. He would say things to the girls like, 'You better be nothing like your slut mom.'" It's been nearly 10 years since Stacy's mother, Christie Cales, has been heard from. She seemingly disappeared without a trace. But in the early years of Anthony and Linda Cales' marriage, Christie was still around

[itsreenw]

Don't know much about Anthony Cales but a Google search of the name listed several sites for small aircrafts and flying related topics.

Could be a different Anthony Cales. Quite a Coincidence though, huh.

[englishleigh]

Here's what I found for Anthony Cales on www.veromi.net

CALES, ANTHONY M (Age 53)

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

OLD PELICAN BAY INVESTMENTS, INC
Available(3) Available DOWNERS GROVE, IL Possible Relatives:

CALES, GARY M (Age 68)
CALES, CHRISTINE M
CALES, CHRISTIE M (Age 49)
View Details
2. CALES, ANTHONY
Available DOWNERS GROVE, IL Possible Relatives:

CALES, GARY M (Age 68)
CALES, CHRISTINE M
CALES, CHRISTIE M (Age 49)
Vie

[itsreenw]

Another article about Stacy's childhood

http://www.southtownstar.com/news/644411,111107stacy.article

[itsreenw]

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/627832,CST-NWS-boling31.article
snip...

When Drew Peterson and Savio met in the early 1990s, he was the Romeo boyfriend who surprised her with a Valentine's Day trip to Jamaica, one relative recalled. But five or so years into the marriage, Savio began to receive anonymous letters saying her husband was cheating on her, said the relative, who didn't want to be named.


This is why I believe he met Stacy earlier than he said.

I don't want to sound like I'm making accusations, but I think it may be worth seeing what Anthony Cales is all about. Instead of DP meeting Christie, it is possible he got to know Anthony. DP was a heavy drinker with a history of domestic violence. He told his daughters not to grow up and be like their "slut mother". He obviously had animosity toward Christie.

Linda, Anthony's wife from 1996-2002, said she felt that Anthony should have stepped in when Drew started pursuing Stacy. The 2 men are the same age. Most father's would have nipped that romance in the bud immediately.

[Littledeer]

Has anyone been able to find any articles in the newspaper when Christine went missing?? You would think there would be at least one article when the family first notified LE that she was missing.

Might have more information in it. I've tried, but not getting anyway fast due to slow modem line, etc.

We need to back peddle on this and maybe we can find something that will definately tie DP knowing Christie prior to her going missing.

I AM A STRONG BELEIVER THAT HE DID and possibly might even have something to do with her disappearance.

[englishleigh]

Is it possible Drew and Christie were romantically involved? Maybe that's how he met Stacy. He might have killed Christie b/c of his own relationship with her, and then the thing with Stacy began later.

[Littledeer]

That would certinaly fit his MO, wouldn't it English??

[englishleigh]

That would certinaly fit his MO, wouldn't it English??

From everything we've learned, yes! I just wonder if maybe Christie was too old for him, b/c after all he was only a FEW years older. :rolleyes:

[Littledeer]

But sometimes you need to use someone else to get to the one you really want.

So maybe he was seeing Christine so he could be closer to Stacy and start infiltrating himself to her. I know far fetched, but this guy is nuts anyways.

[mssheila]

With all the news about Stacy, her DAUGHTER, who is considered missing, or even murdered:

I can only theorized two possibilities:

1.) If she did indeed leave because of the stress of losing two daughters, one in 1982, and one in 1987, YET, DOESN'T TAKE OFF UNTIL 1998???? (6 years after the last daughter's death)?? That possibly this lastest information, if she is alive, has sent her over the edge.

2.) She is unaware of Stacy's disappearance, because she
herself is no longer alive.

I honestly can't fathom any other possibilites. Anyone else??

Hi Littledeer. This is where I get stuck too. That's a really long time period- between the death of her last daughter and taking off.... That's 11 years. I don't get why people are saying that she took off "after the loss of her second daughter"..... when there's an 11 year time spread.

[curiositycat]

This is true. There was a case recently of that sweet little 9 year old girl that was raped and killed by her mom's boyfriend. I have noticed that pedophiles use relationships with women to get closer to their victims


But sometimes you need to use someone else to get to the one you really want.

So maybe he was seeing Christine so he could be closer to Stacy and start infiltrating himself to her. I know far fetched, but this guy is nuts anyways.

[Susan Shock]

Can't say I'm all that impressed with Dad. Telling his daughters not to be sluts like their mother is not good parenting, and no doubt did psychological damage in my opinion. It is odd that Stacy's mom also went missing. Do we know for certain when Stacy and DP met? Do we even know if Christie and DP ever met?

[KOOL LOOK]

This is what I've been thinking and wondering for a while. Did Drew meet Christie, have something to do with her disappearance also? I mean, the time frame is to close to the time he supposedly met and was dating, seeing Stacey. He would want to get the opposing parent, mother, out of the way if she was against the relationship. I would be my noodles this mother would be opposed of her dear living daughter messing her life up and getting involved with a married unfaithful abusive husband out stalking and preying on her bright future, college bound daughter.

I would be if it was my daughter and me. It's just too many coinincidences. She's missing tooooo! I think this needs to be looked at and investigated. Not to believe anything Drew would say about this. Did they meet?

Why hasn't her mother come forward? Did the ex-husband get Drew to get rid of her, being the ugly mean things he has been confirmed of saying about her, even after her disappearance. It seems cruel to say about a person, especially if you believe they left under durest as is reported even by him and the family. Maybe this getting rid of wives, started with Drew and this ex, something just isn't right here at all in my eyes.

We need some confirmations as to how drew fits into this family at and prior to Christie missing. This is exactly the same scenerios as wife number 3 and 4, right? I smell a stinking rat.

We now have proof positive of his controlling obsessive, violent behaviors. He really had no business beating the wife number 2's daughter into her teenage years. She should have been corrected by the mother.

Another thing that struck me, his friend Rick's statements about how overly well behaved all his children are. How immaculate and clean his house always is and in order. This man has all the landmarks of a conniving stalking abuser and murderer. We know he's already murdered. Stalked, controlled, abused, used innocent weaker people than himself. Had the cover of his badge and le. This is abuse of his position and authority. This man is going down.

But it doesn't need to stop with just one wife. He's harmed many many many. Especially the females in his life, all the way to the children, and possibly the boys, it needs to be looked at.

[Liz]

Here's the link to Brian's Dream about Christine Cales:

http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/545.htm

[SeekingJana]

When I think of all the horror in Christie's life, even before Stacy disappeared, I wonder if maybe Christie is alive and is sheltered from the things of the world.
Is it possible that in a time of despair or depression, when she was last seen with her Bible, that she was turning to something different and found peace and solace in a religious order?

I have wondered if she either joined a closed religious sect or maybe even sought refuge at a convent and is there still. As I understand it, they are usually separated from the news of the world, so she would not know of Stacy's disappearance.

The cynical part of me says if DP was around, terrible trouble followed him in the door, but the hopeful part of me hopes that Christie is still alive and that she found something wonderful, away from an abusive husband and the pain of losing her children.

[Littledeer]

Jana:

I was also thinking the same thoughts you had posted. But the time lapse from her two daughter's deaths until she disappeard, along with Stacy now being missing, makes me really wonder if DP just might have had something to do with her disappearance????

It's been so long.......................the LE and the State, and from what I hear tonight, FBI, have enough to work on in getting DP

[Littledeer]

Jana:

I was also thinking the same thoughts you had posted. But the time lapse from her two daughter's deaths until she disappeard, along with Stacy now being missing, makes me really wonder if DP just might have had something to do with her disappearance????

It's been so long.......................the LE and the State, and from what I hear tonight, FBI, have enough to work on in getting DP BEHIND BARS!

But I am hoping after all that is done, that Stacy's Mom disappearance will be investigated!! IMO

[SeekingJana]

Jana:

I was also thinking the same thoughts you had posted. But the time lapse from her two daughter's deaths until she disappeard, along with Stacy now being missing, makes me really wonder if DP just might have had something to do with her disappearance????

It's been so long.......................the LE and the State, and from what I hear tonight, FBI, have enough to work on in getting DP BEHIND BARS!

But I am hoping after all that is done, that Stacy's Mom disappearance will be investigated!! IMO

I definitely hope Christie's disappearance is investigated to the fullest extent possible. She deserves justice too, if she is deceased.

[Taximom]

I can't help but think Chrisite Cales would come out of hiding with the recent events going on. I really feel Drew had something to do with her disappearance, but hope it's not so.

[Littledeer]

Taxi:

From get go, I have always felt that DP most likely had something to do with Christie's disappearance. I am hoping after Stacy is found and the results of Kitty's COD have been solved, that the LE or someone will go back and reinvestigate Christie's disappearance.

I've been search for even one tiny little blurb in a newspaper about her disappearance, but so far have had no luck. Will keep trying!!!!!

[curiositycat]

What would she have to worry about after almost 20 years?

I think she is dead and like the rest of you I WISH SOMEONE WOULD INVESTIGATE HER DEATH TOO!!!

[chicoliving]

She's only been missing nine years... whats 20 yrs??

[Littledeer]

Christie Cales was last seen alive in March, 1998. So it's been 9 years, 9 months.

[curiositycat]

Sorry I was thinking 88...please don't bite my head off next time


She's only been missing nine years... whats 20 yrs??

[chicoliving]

There was no biting involved.

[Littledeer]

While I have heard about "religious sects", and it is known that Christie was last seen with a bible in her hand, I find it too hard to believe with all of the NATIONAL attention on Stacy and Kathleen, that IF Christie were alive, she would have come out of hiding by now.

While she might not have been the best mother in the world, I would think she would be concerned about the whereabouts of a missing child.

[Sable]

Is it possible that when DP said "she's where she wants to be" he meant she's with her mother, like in heaven or even buried near her?

[itsreenw]

We need to find out more about the man she was staying with when she disappeared.

[SeriouslySearching]

Here's the link to Brian's Dream about Christine Cales:

http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/545.htm That is a joke, yes? Sheesh! He must have eaten mushrooms before that dream!

[SeriouslySearching]

Is it possible that when DP said "she's where she wants to be" he meant she's with her mother, like in heaven or even buried near her?I thought of this, too. I think the FBI will dig deeper into her disappearance in light of all the other questions coming out about Drew and his history with women from his past as well as Stacey.

[SuziQ]

http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/112607boling1.jpg_20071126_02_47_06_2-282-400.imageContent

If Stacy Peterson left her family for another man, as her husband, Drew Peterson, claims, is this a case of history repeating itself?
Nine years ago, Stacy's mother, Christie Cales, disappeared, abandoning her family after the accidental deaths of two of her children in less than four years. (more at link)

http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/667009,CST-NWS-bolingbrook26.article

[SuziQ]

If anything, the above article shows me that she is likely dead. Since there hasn't been any LE activity on her since she disappeared.

[mysteriew]

Alcoholic, to the point of arrests for shoplifting alcohol and DUI. Depressed. With her history, I wonder if maybe she could be homeless or at least have started out that way? I have read studies which say many homeless have some type of mental illness. And if she was living on her own, then paying for rent would have cut into her alcohol funds- if she was staying with family they may have tried to restrain her drinking. With the depression, many times there is the feeling that people around you would be better off without you- her children were with their father, she may have felt useless- I wonder if maybe she just wondered off one day and felt others would be better off without her?

[itsreenw]

Anthony Cales and Linda Olson married in the parking lot of a bar. They are both heavy drinkers according to Linda. DP owned a bar, Sud's Pub. He was recently seen with his son Steve and ex-cop Randy Munich (sic) at Leo's Bar. He is no stranger to bars and alcohol.
Christie Cales was an alcoholic. Anthony Cales has a history of domestic violence with more than one wife. Including pulling a .357 on Christie. He also blamed Christie for Jessica's death.

I still believe there is a possibility DP was involved in CC's death. All these people lives may have intertwined at some point. Not accusing
Mr. Cales of conspiring with DP to kill Christie, but I see where he may have held a grudge about Jessica's death.

Let's not forget that KP (wife #3) started getting letters about DP cheating in 1997. The same year the Cales moved to Romeoville and Stacy started attending Romeoville High. DP used to live in Romeoville too although I can't determine what yrs.

[kline]

Sadly,I would have to conclude that Stacy's mother is deceased.
Surely she would have turned up or somebody would certainly have turned her up in light of the media attention focused on this case.
I certainly hope they are taking a damn close look at Peterson pertaining to this but then again,
a women simply leaving the house and falling off the face of the earth never to be seen again is all too common.As all of us who fequent this board know.
This poor family has had to face way more the its share of burdens.

[SuziQ]

The Today Show
Did Stacy run away like her mom?

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=73f397f9-e45c-46aa-b260-00a6c5b1812d

[DeltaDawn]

Watched that on the Today Show..Dr Phil seems to strongly believe that Stacy would not have followed in her Mom's footsteps..so does her sister.There has been no indication that Stacy was anything like her Mom as far as her Mom's alcoholism and arrest record. Stacy was a super parent and would not have left those children willingly. All seemed in agreement that Stacy would not have runaway.

[SeriouslySearching]

Cassandra just posted on www.findstacypeterson.com (http://www.findstacypeterson.com) that Blue Island PD just reopened the case of her missing mother. They are looking into the man she was with at the time who said she left carrying a bible and heading to church.

Cassandra said Christie did not know Drew.

[Littledeer]

Great! You all know how I've been wanting this!

I know that Cass says her mom didn't know Drew, but she would have been around 11 to 15 years old then. (I don't know Cass's DOB, but Stacy was 13 years old when Christy disappeared.) So, her Mom might have known DP without Cass or Stacy knowing at that time. Plus, I believe at one time DP and the Cales lived within close proximity of each other.

Maybe, DP and the man that Christy was living with knew each other?

[mysteriew]

It sounds as if they are finally looking at the person who last saw Christie Cales. Most likely with her history, at the time LE probably looked at this case as a 'voluntarily missing' case. But since LE looked so bad once the truth came out on Kathleen that they are now trying to make up for it by looking at Christie Cales too.

[cheko1]

Poor Cassandra sure has a full plate with everything going on in her life right now. I feel so sorry for her!

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe, DP and the man that Christy was living with knew each other?I hadn't thought of that possibility. Glad you brought this up because it could be. Drew knew the dregs of society in the area and their cohorts. We don't know anything about this man, but we need to start digging! With Christie's troubled past, there are many unanswered questions and possibilities.

[SeriouslySearching]

Poor Cassandra sure has a full plate with everything going on in her life right now. I feel so sorry for her!Awww, I know what you mean. It is heartwrenching! I told her earlier that she had no idea when she started this that it would have such an impact on so many, including herself.

She has already brought some justice to many by placing Drew in the position he currently finds himself. People learned what he is capable of which resulted in Kathleen's death being reopened. Now, she may find answers in her mother's and sister's disappearances, too. (This doesn't even touch on the other missing or dead people Drew could be connected to.) When she made all the right decisions in the beginning, she opened his Pandora's box.

Cassandra has proven herself to be a strong, smart, and courageous woman of such a young age. I don't know many who would have gone up against a man like Drew in such authority and not given a thought about their own safety. She has done a remarkable job to stand up to him and make sure someone listened! I am in awe of her! :clap:

[Schmerty_Jones]

Awww, I know what you mean. It is heartwrenching! I told her earlier that she had no idea when she started this that it would have such an impact on so many, including herself.

She has already brought some justice to many by placing Drew in the position he currently finds himself. People learned what he is capable of which resulted in Kathleen's death being reopened. Now, she may find answers in her mother's and sister's disappearances, too. (This doesn't even touch on the other missing or dead people Drew could be connected to.) When she made all the right decisions in the beginning, she opened his Pandora's box.

Cassandra has proven herself to be a strong, smart, and courageous woman of such a young age. I don't know many who would have gone up against a man like Drew in such authority and not given a thought about their own safety. She has done a remarkable job to stand up to him and make sure someone listened! I am in awe of her! :clap:
I am in awe of her too!!! Drew Peterson is not in awe of anyone ,not even God.(if he did he could not blantantly commit so much evil) I fear for Cassandra. Can someone request protection from him for her. I cannot imagine her being add to the string of deaths caused by Drew. Please have someone protect her.:mad:

[ThoughtFox]

It's true that Cassandra has almost more than she can bear - a mother missing, a sister missing, and her other sister died from cancer.

On the other hand, she is truly lucky to be alive and is probably grateful for that. If she had ever been on Drew's bad side, she might not be here to tell us anything.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think everyone around her is looking out for Cassandra. Drew isn't going to pull anything with her. I am sure while he seethes behind his closed doors at her overpowering him to get this thing started, he also knows he can't touch her. Frankly, I think Cassandra would rip him a new one if he ever tried. : )

[pixies]

I am late in seeing this thread! Sorry for posting late but I just left Blue Island Il. and honestly, it is kinda rough. Back then, my friend said it was even worse. It is a lovely town but it is smack between some very bad places. Anything or anyone could have happened to her.

[Littledeer]

Cassandra just posted on www.findstacypeterson.com (http://www.findstacypeterson.com/) that Blue Island PD just reopened the case of her missing mother. They are looking into the man she was with at the time who said she left carrying a bible and heading to church.


Wonder what is happening here with this PD on Christie's disappearance?

Not trying to add more stress to Cass, but just wondering.

[SuziQ]

As Stacy Peterson's family this week released old home video of the missing Bolingbrook woman, her aunt said Friday there's also renewed police interest in finding Peterson's mother, who disappeared almost 10 years ago.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/7...ling29.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/718275,CST-NWS-boling29.article)

[SeriouslySearching]

Blue Island PD informed Cassandra around the 8th of December they had reopened her mother's case. It is a very positive thing!

[ThoughtFox]

I don't mean to be overly suspicious, but this bothers me:

Aikin said the detective who called her earlier this month wanted to know details of Aikin's last conversation with Cales.

"They haven't found anything, but they are just looking into it more," Aikin said. The detective "didn't want to get my hopes up."

Blue Island Deputy Police Chief Phil Contreras said Friday he was unaware of renewed police efforts to find Cales.



I hope that was really a police officer who called the aunt, and not a defense attorney or someone else.

I think I've probably seen too many tv shows, and this really is good news.

[Tom'sGirl]

I don't mean to be overly suspicious, but this bothers me:

I hope that was really a police officer who called the aunt, and not a defense attorney or someone else.

I think I've probably seen too many tv shows, and this really is good news.
My 'hinky' meter went up also when I read that.

Her Aunt Candy lives not far from me and I bet it was someone just wanting a story, not a detective.

[i.b.nora]

Wow!!! TFox and TGirl, I think you guys are right.

[ThoughtFox]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that. :)

I doubt she got the guy's badge number or anything, and she probably just trusted what he said. It could have been the National Enquirer, or one of Drew's friends, or anyone, in my opinion.

I hope that's not true, but it does make a person wonder.

[i.b.nora]

Well, we have, on December 8th Cassandra saying:

"Just Got Word That Blue Island Police Department Is Re-Opening My Mother's (Christie Toutges) Missing Person's Case......and Is Beginning An Investigation...."

We have, Aunt Aikin saying that early in December: "Aikin said the detective who called her earlier this month wanted to know details of Aikin's last conversation with Cales."
"They haven't found anything, but they are just looking into it more," Aikin said. The detective "didn't want to get my hopes up."

And, now we have: "Blue Island Deputy Police Chief Phil Contreras said Friday he was unaware of renewed police efforts to find Cales."

I smell Brodsky and his private investigator.

[i.b.nora]

And, on December 11th we have Brodsky launching the Defend Drew website
to collect money to pay for the private investigator.

Enough money to pay for a couple of phone calls and an appearance in court
in the next day or so. Ugly slimy people.

[DeltaDawn]

And, on December 11th we have Brodsky launching the Defend Drew website
to collect money to pay for the private investigator.

Enough money to pay for a couple of phone calls and an appearance in court
in the next day or so. Ugly slimy people.

You all are right..this is going to get very down and dirty, ugly, slimy, rolling in the mud if Drew and Brodsky have thier way. There is going to be lots of smearing.

I think that someone duped the family into believing that they were reopening a case they are not is horrible..isn't impersonating a LEO an offense? Brodsky and Drew better be careful how far they go in this area.
Trying to get info in illegal ways is not beyond either of them, in my opinion..

[ThoughtFox]

I wish Mark Fuhrman or someone on Greta's team would just ask the Blue Island police if they ever called the family back at the beginning of December.

I bet they didn't.

[ACandyRose]

Well, we have, on December 8th Cassandra saying:

"Just Got Word That Blue Island Police Department Is Re-Opening My Mother's (Christie Toutges) Missing Person's Case......and Is Beginning An Investigation...."

We have, Aunt Aikin saying that early in December: "Aikin said the detective who called her earlier this month wanted to know details of Aikin's last conversation with Cales."
"They haven't found anything, but they are just looking into it more," Aikin said. The detective "didn't want to get my hopes up."

And, now we have: "Blue Island Deputy Police Chief Phil Contreras said *Friday he was unaware of renewed police efforts to find Cales."

I smell Brodsky and his private investigator.


Yep, we've been down this road before on another case. I read that article this morning and thought the same thing.

Somebody from Cassandra's group needs to find out ASAP if Blue Island is or is not reopening investigation into Christie's case. Sounds like somebody from *TeamDrew* snooping around to get information.

ACR

[i.b.nora]

Yep, we've been down this road before on another case. I read that article this morning and thought the same thing.

Somebody from Cassandra's group needs to find out ASAP if Blue Island is or is not reopening investigation into Christie's case. Sounds like somebody from *TeamDrew* snooping around to get information.

ACR

Right, ACR! I have just been reading up on James Rapp and his wife to refresh my memory. One recent article I found about him talks about some of the methods he used when digging up information in the Ramsey case, and hundreds of others.
For anyone interested in how it works:
Rapp showed how privacy is a thing of the past (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/tech/article/0,2777,DRMN_23910_4645578,00.html)
And, his nephew has been investigated in the Hewlett Packard probe:
HP probe may have involved Omaha data broker (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6118131-7.html)

Also, I remembered a recent Brodsky television appearance which touched on it, and here it is:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0712/20/ng.01.html

Nancy Grace
Search Continues for Missing West Virginia College Student
Aired December 20, 2007 - 20:00:00 ET
TRANSCRIPT

MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST:

BROOKS: There`s been a lot of talk today, Mr. Brodsky, about private investigators being hired by Drew to conduct your own investigation. Has he now hired two private investigators?

BRODSKY: We have two investigators that are starting to follow what I would call electronic media leads. That`s where they`re going to start, with cell phones, text messages through their various abilities that they don`t -- you know, there are tricks of the trade, are trying to follow those leads and see where they go.

They`re also looking at this Cales (ph) -- Kelton Cales, who was a friend of him. He`s in prison right now on sex offender charges. And that was the place where Stacy was supposedly heading, to paint his apartment. And we`re taking a look at seeing who his friends were and where they were during the time that Stacy disappeared. So we`re trying to follow up these leads. Of course, we don`t have the resources the police do. But here are trying.

BROOKS: When you`re dealing with electronic media, a lot of times it takes subpoenas to get those particular records. How are you going about this?

BRODSKY: The private investigators tell me they have their little tricks of the trade to get the information.

BROOKS: All legal, I`m sure.

BRODSKY: I`m sure they are.

BROOKS: I hope they are.

BRODSKY: So do I.

[DeltaDawn]

There you have it..would Brodsky and Drew use a person like that to investigate the case..absolutely..both are loose cannons that were never able to play by the book..no reason to believe either of them would start now.

[SeriouslySearching]

It would be a NEW low if Brodsky's team went to Cassandra and did this. While I can see it happening, I would so hope they would not stoop to those levels. If so...his team is slimier than I ever thought possible...which was pretty low to begin with. This would be looking up to see a snake's belly. How LOW can Brodsky go?!

[ThoughtFox]

Also, I remembered a recent Brodsky television appearance which touched on it, and here it is:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0712/20/ng.01.html

Nancy Grace
Search Continues for Missing West Virginia College Student
Aired December 20, 2007 - 20:00:00 ET
TRANSCRIPT

MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST:

BROOKS: There`s been a lot of talk today, Mr. Brodsky, about private investigators being hired by Drew to conduct your own investigation. Has he now hired two private investigators?

BRODSKY: We have two investigators that are starting to follow what I would call electronic media leads. That`s where they`re going to start, with cell phones, text messages through their various abilities that they don`t -- you know, there are tricks of the trade, are trying to follow those leads and see where they go.

They`re also looking at this Cales (ph) -- Kelton Cales, who was a friend of him. He`s in prison right now on sex offender charges. And that was the place where Stacy was supposedly heading, to paint his apartment. And we`re taking a look at seeing who his friends were and where they were during the time that Stacy disappeared. So we`re trying to follow up these leads. Of course, we don`t have the resources the police do. But here are trying.

BROOKS: When you`re dealing with electronic media, a lot of times it takes subpoenas to get those particular records. How are you going about this?

BRODSKY: The private investigators tell me they have their little tricks of the trade to get the information.

BROOKS: All legal, I`m sure.

BRODSKY: I`m sure they are.

BROOKS: I hope they are.

BRODSKY: So do I.

Oh my gosh, i.b.nora! There it is right there! Almost a confession of what they may have done!

:slap: Tricking a victim's family and impersonating police over the phone - how professional of them!

[DeltaDawn]

My , my this web of lies and corruption gets wider and wider.

[ACandyRose]

It would be a NEW low if Brodsky's team went to Cassandra and did this. While I can see it happening, I would so hope they would not stoop to those levels. If so...his team is slimier than I ever thought possible...which was pretty low to begin with. This would be looking up to see a snake's belly. How LOW can Brodsky go?!

SeriouslySearching,

I don't know if this is a *NEW* for Brodsky but it's not new for defense attorneys to hire P.I.'s for the purpose to find dirt on any and all potential witnesses' with intentions to discredit them during trial testimony. The purpose of the defense attorney is to keep their client, in this case, Drew Peterson out of jail and to do that they have to find out dirt to hopefully discredit witnesses for the prosecution, ala enters the helpful P.I.'s.

So it's not a matter of hoping they won't stoop to this level, they already have. Everybody who is on *TeamStacy* should be very careful who they are talking to if somebody approaches them and says "I'm an investigator." The best thing for them to do is say give me your business card and phone number and I'll call you back and then call the ISP or police department this dude claims to be with and check them out.

ACR

[ACandyRose]

Right, ACR! I have just been reading up on James Rapp and his wife to refresh my memory. One recent article I found about him talks about some of the methods he used when digging up information in the Ramsey case, and hundreds of others.
For anyone interested in how it works:
Rapp showed how privacy is a thing of the past (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/tech/article/0,2777,DRMN_23910_4645578,00.html)
And, his nephew has been investigated in the Hewlett Packard probe:
HP probe may have involved Omaha data broker (http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-6118131-7.html)

Also, I remembered a recent Brodsky television appearance which touched on it, and here it is:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0712/20/ng.01.html

Nancy Grace
Search Continues for Missing West Virginia College Student
Aired December 20, 2007 - 20:00:00 ET
TRANSCRIPT

MIKE BROOKS, GUEST HOST:

BROOKS: There`s been a lot of talk today, Mr. Brodsky, about private investigators being hired by Drew to conduct your own investigation. Has he now hired two private investigators?

BRODSKY: We have two investigators that are starting to follow what I would call electronic media leads. That`s where they`re going to start, with cell phones, text messages through their various abilities that they don`t -- you know, there are tricks of the trade, are trying to follow those leads and see where they go.

They`re also looking at this Cales (ph) -- Kelton Cales, who was a friend of him. He`s in prison right now on sex offender charges. And that was the place where Stacy was supposedly heading, to paint his apartment. And we`re taking a look at seeing who his friends were and where they were during the time that Stacy disappeared. So we`re trying to follow up these leads. Of course, we don`t have the resources the police do. But here are trying.

BROOKS: When you`re dealing with electronic media, a lot of times it takes subpoenas to get those particular records. How are you going about this?

BRODSKY: The private investigators tell me they have their little tricks of the trade to get the information.

BROOKS: All legal, I`m sure.

BRODSKY: I`m sure they are.

BROOKS: I hope they are.

BRODSKY: So do I.


i.b.nora,

Brodsky: "The private investigators tell me they have their little tricks of the trade to get the information"

LOL, yep and we know exactly what those tricks are.

I can almost smell Ollie Gray, Jon SanAugustine and his crew of Colorado P.I.'s swarming in the Chicago area ! And we already know they will do anything for free because they worked for the Ramseys for years claiming they never got paid. That's right up Brodsky's alley.

And remember Ellis Armisted P.I. crew hired by the Ramsey attorneys and after he quit the case he admitted he was never hired to find the so called killer but to find dirt on witnesses to keep their clients out of jail.

Actually Brodsky's running a little late in the game because the Ramsey attorney's had their P.I.'s out literally day one.

ACR

[DeltaDawn]

Brodsky is doing, and will do, whatever he needs to save Drew's life..that is literally what is in the balance here...the GJ will most likely bring back a murder one indictment for both Kathleen and Stacy. I think that Brodsky is preparing for that..thus the other attorney being brought on board. Add in they have no firsthand knowledge of the testimony the GJ has heard..as far as we know..that leaves all the stops out and pushing ahead. This will get very down and dirty before it is all said and done.

So we are about to see all the stops pulled by Brodsky and friends to get Drew the least possible sentence as they are capable. One can only imagine with Brodsky's past that he will turn to anyone that can get what he needs, looking the other way at how they achieve that end.

I don't think that Drew will skate on this one..there are people we haven't heard from, evidence we don't know of and possibly others who at some point or other facilitated this crime. And will turn on Drew in a NY minute if it is him or them.

[concernedperson]

I totally agree with your post, DD.

[Trino]

Brodsky is doing, and will do, whatever he needs to save Drew's life..that is literally what is in the balance here...

I don't think that Drew will skate on this one..there are people we haven't heard from, evidence we don't know of and possibly others who at some point or other facilitated this crime. And will turn on Drew in a NY minute if it is him or them.

DP may be guilty, but your statements have hanged him before a trial.

[DeltaDawn]

DP may be guilty, but your statements have hanged him before a trial.

In which statements did I hang him Trino....I was talking legal tactics and witnesses , accomplices, and that I didn't think he would go totally Scott free.

At the bottom of my opinions you will see my signature ..what does that say..it is an opinion.

Trino, I live no where near the mid west or Illinois. I won't be called as a witness or juror..so I have a right to my opinion on how this case will unfold. No where here on WS does it say you can't give an opinion on such things...

PS..if Drew is found quilty it is because of what Drew did..not because of what anyone on WS said or didn't say....Drew is responsible for his own actions.

[SuziQ]

DP may be guilty, but your statements have hanged him before a trial.

I thought you said we were all entitled to our opinions? :waitasec:

[SeriouslySearching]

I think there are many who would like to see him hang instead of going to trial, IN MY HONEST OPINION! Not neccesarily for Stacy, but for every single rotten lousy comment he has ever made and the abuse others have had to endure from him. We KNOW these are facts. We watched most of those comments spew out of his mouth like a sewer draining into our midst where we were not able to stop the flow.

[dimples37398]

Does anyone know if her mom wore glasses sometimes, ever had any surgeries, scars, dental work? I seen there were tattoos, but what else as far as scars or anything at all. Is their DNA in the database from the kids for her?

Kel

[DeltaDawn]

I would think there is DNA in the data base from Cass..because I think she would have given a DNA sample for Stay's case. As far as the rest goes I am not sure.

[Anita Richman]

I have the sad feeling that Christie Cales is wandering around, mentally ill, one of the "untouchables". I hope that she is ok, wherever she is, and perhaps is able (someday) to resurface and share about her childrens' lives.