The Trail of Bodies in Drew Peterson's path

[mssheila]

Kathleen Savio, Drowned in bathtub

Stacy Peterson, Missing- family presumes murdered

How many more?

[angelmom]

Are we only giving actual deaths that he is connected to or can we speculate?

B/c I'd add Christie Cales with a big maybe next to her name

Monica's brother who supposedly committed suicide b/c he was so upset about Monica and Drew's affair while Drew was still married to Vicki (wife #2, I THINK)

Next...

[mssheila]

Are we only giving actual deaths that he is connected to or can we speculate?

B/c I'd add Christie Cales with a big maybe next to her name

Monica's brother who supposedly committed suicide b/c he was so upset about Monica and Drew's affair while Drew was still married to Vicki (wife #2, I THINK)

Next...

I think speculation is appropriate for this thread. Any deaths he was even remotely connected to.

[SuziQ]

1. Who is Monica? Monica and her brother Steve lived across the street from Drew and Vicky. Drew had an affair with Monica and used to sneak her into his house. Steve was very upset about this. Steve commited suicide by hanging in his garage. Drew said Steve was depressed and on drugs. Ric Sims went to school with and knew Steve, and said no way. Drew was one of the first responding officers to the scene. Ric and Erica are gathering info on this.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/13/wednesday-gretacast-2-with-sgt-petersons-friend-ric-mims/

2. Which number was Vicky... 1 or 2? Vicky is Wife number two, Carol is wife number 1
3. Could someone please give me the jist of the death of "Monica's" brother..... He was messing around with someone named Monica while married to Wife #1 or Wife #2. How did the brother die?

A reporter named Erica is investigating Drew's connection to a missing persons case from the 1980's.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/13/wednesday-gretacast-2-with-sgt-petersons-friend-ric-mims/

On the blogosphere it's been mentioned and asked that Vicky's brothers death be investigated. No other info so far.

[mssheila]

1. Who is Monica? Monica and her brother Steve lived across the street from Drew and Vicky. Drew had an affair with Monica and used to sneak her into his house. Steve was very upset about this. Steve commited suicide by hanging in his garage. Drew said Steve was depressed and on drugs. Ric Sims went to school with and knew Steve, and said no way. Drew was one of the first responding officers to the scene. Ric and Erica are gathering info on this.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/13/wednesday-gretacast-2-with-sgt-petersons-friend-ric-mims/

2. Which number was Vicky... 1 or 2? Vicky is Wife number two, Carol is wife number 1
3. Could someone please give me the jist of the death of "Monica's" brother..... He was messing around with someone named Monica while married to Wife #1 or Wife #2. How did the brother die?

A reporter named Erica is investigating Drew's connection to a missing persons case from the 1980's.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/13/wednesday-gretacast-2-with-sgt-petersons-friend-ric-mims/

On the blogosphere it's been mentioned and asked that Vicky's brothers death be investigated. No other info so far.

Thanks Suzi.... I am so glad to get this figured out! :blowkiss: Drew is ONE SICK MAN... he has a lot of dead people in his past.

[STEADFAST]

More deaths or disappearances with a connection to DP??! I hope the cases of everybody he ever knew who has died or disappeared in a mysterious way is looked into.

[Cakegirl]

JMHO, but I think DP is going to turn out to be a pyscho serial killer -- hope I'm wrong but it's looking like a good possibility.

[SuziQ]

JMHO, but I think DP is going to turn out to be a pyscho serial killer -- hope I'm wrong but it's looking like a good possibility.

Who was the psycho cop who pulled over and killed all of those girls in the calif desert? Anyone remember?

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow! More "According to Drew" stories! This is like Pandora's box. You take the lid off one and it seems many suspicious deaths seem to fly out.

They need to take a serious look into every case this man has worked from day one. They might find more than Murder and Mayhem. He is a bad cop to say the least and there is so much about this creep people haven't associated until now.

[mysteriew]

Did anyone else notice that in Ric's conversation with Greta, that he said Drew told him that he was one of the first officers on the scene?

[strach304]

Normally I might think we were letting our imaginations get the better of us until I saw the manner in which Monica's brother died. That is something I've seen occur several times. There was a case not too long ago most here should remember where the young teenaged boy killed his girlfriend that way because he thought she was pregnant. It was ruled a suicide and he got a case of conscience from watching Passion of the Christ he said and confessed.

I think this could very well be the method in which DP has chosen to handle problems in his life for a long time. The setting up of another cop is just another MO that fits the profile we've compiled if we have correct info that goes way back to show how he's managed not to dirty his own hands or be proven as involved. Notice in the cases we are aware of so far that each possible victim died under different circumstances but yet questionable all the same.

[mssheila]

Did anyone else notice that in Ric's conversation with Greta, that he said Drew told him that he was one of the first officers on the scene?

Johnny on the spot. How convenient, if he was the person who really did it. :banghead:

[browneyedgirl]

JMHO, but I think DP is going to turn out to be a pyscho serial killer -- hope I'm wrong but it's looking like a good possibility.

ITA with you, cakegirl. I also wondered if he was in any way connected to the dissapearance of Stacy's mom.....?

[browneyedgirl]

Normally I might think we were letting our imaginations get the better of us until I saw the manner in which Monica's brother died. That is something I've seen occur several times. There was a case not too long ago most here should remember where the young teenaged boy killed his girlfriend that way because he thought she was pregnant. It was ruled a suicide and he got a case of conscience from watching Passion of the Christ he said and confessed.

I think this could very well be the method in which DP has chosen to handle problems in his life for a long time. The setting up of another cop is just another MO that fits the profile we've compiled if we have correct info that goes way back to show how he's managed not to dirty his own hands or be proven as involved. Notice in the cases we are aware of so far that each possible victim died under different circumstances but yet questionable all the same.

Very good abservation,Strach. I also find it odd that everyone around him that dies, he always says "they were depressed"

[SuziQ]

Very good abservation,Strach. I also find it odd that everyone around him that dies, he always says "they were depressed"

That's standard operating procedure, taken directly from the script "According to Drew"

[JanetElaine]

Very good abservation,Strach. I also find it odd that everyone around him that dies, he always says "they were depressed"

I was going to comment on that too! They're always 'on drugs and depressed'.

This doesn't happen to me often, but Drew makes me sick!

[curiositycat]

don't they call that "projection" in psychiatry? He's more than likely:twocents: the one that is depressed and crazy.



I was going to comment on that too! They're always 'on drugs and depressed'.

This doesn't happen to me often, but Drew makes me sick!

[browneyedgirl]

That's standard operating procedure, taken directly from the script "According to Drew"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Good One SuziQ.

[golfmom]

Wow! More "According to Drew" stories! This is like Pandora's box. You take the lid off one and it seems many suspicious deaths seem to fly out.

They need to take a serious look into every case this man has worked from day one. They might find more than Murder and Mayhem. He is a bad cop to say the least and there is so much about this creep people haven't associated until now.

According to Drew he was the watch commander that weekend.:silenced:

[DeltaDawn]

I too am interested in finding out more about Stacey's Mom. She did disaapear at times,but she seemed to return, or atleast make some contact that they knew where she was. Then she turns up missing and never found, no contact.........that is not her MO.

Drew keeps saying he thinks she is alive somewhere..almost like he is certain. I don't buy that from him. I think Drew may have killed her because as messed up as her life had been, it was because of her young children dying, not from some other source. That's why I believe she always continued to come back and make contact with someone in the family.
IMHO, Drew killed her because she was in his way as far as dating and seducing her daughter Stacey, who I believe was probably much younger then he admits when he first started dating her.

[mssheila]

According to Drew he was the watch commander that weekend.:silenced:


Did he really say that? Because according to Drew, he was also the watch commander the weekend Kathleen Savio died. I want to say that he stated this during the Today Show interview.

[mssheila]

I too am interested in finding out more about Stacey's Mom. She did disaapear at times,but she seemed to return, or atleast make some contact that they knew where she was. Then she turns up missing and never found, no contact.........that is not her MO.

Drew keeps saying he thinks she is alive somewhere..almost like he is certain. I don't buy that from him. I think Drew may have killed her because as messed up as her life had been, it was because of her young children dying, not from some other source. That's why I believe she always continued to come back and make contact with someone in the family.
IMHO, Drew killed her because she was in his way as far as dating and seducing her daughter Stacey, who I believe was probably much younger then he admits when he first started dating her.


Hi Delta- I wanted to suggest something... If I'm reading the timeline correctly... when SP's mother went 'missing', SP was living full time with her father and stepmother. I don't think her mom was really involved in her life much in the months before she went missing. IMO- if he DID do something to her mother, and I do think it's possible, it was for some reason that we haven't uncovered yet. Mom couldn't really have been 'in his way' if she wasn't around.

[golfmom]

Did he really say that? Because according to Drew, he was also the watch commander the weekend Kathleen Savio died. I want to say that he stated this during the Today Show interview.

I'm sorry, that was the weekend I was referring.:doh:

[MeoW333]

He probably killed Monica's brother, maybe the brother had morals and threatened to tell his wife he was cheating on her with Monica. Her brother obviously wasn't upset due to jealousy (brother and sister) he most likely had morals and was going to tell. Drew had to shut him up.
If he killed Stacy's mom, it could have just been an murder of opportunity that presented itself to him. She was always taking off for awhile, they showing up. He figured he could get away with it and did it. If he already had intentions to kill Stacy, then he already got her mother out of the way if he thought her mother would ask too many questions. That's a sociopath. He sounds for sure like a serial killer.
Kathleen Salvio drowned in a bathtub? Either that was a very big bathtub or she was murdered for the life insurance. Adults usually don't fit completely into bathtubs to submerge themselves.
Who is Christie Cales?

[strach304]

Meow, remember in one of Kathleens letters she stated that Drew would do anything to shut her up and then talked about him burning down the house. There was another instance where she kept stating Stacy's age as 16, don't think it was the same letter because I've often wondered if that was what she meant he wanted to shut her up about. At least one of the things anyway. The financial angle was the main motive imo.

[mssheila]

I'm sorry, that was the weekend I was referring.:doh:

LOL Golfmom...

geez... most people take good care of people on Watch Commander weekend.... this guy takes the this opportunity to kill people. :hand:

[Jaded]

From Greta's blog.

Apparently, after her divorce from DP in 1992, his second wife, Victoria, began dating a man and he was killed. The murder was never solved, but now, according to this article, the State Police are taking another look at this murder.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/22/mad-admits-he-and-stacy-got-caught-at-a-dennys-by-sgt-peterson/#comment-103560

[Tom'sGirl]

From Greta's blog.



http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/22/mad-admits-he-and-stacy-got-caught-at-a-dennys-by-sgt-peterson/#comment-103560

Jaded I posted where you also posted this on another thread. The poster says:

The article I mentioned is in this week’s National Enquirer.


Who here reads the NE, anyone????? Fill us in if you will if there is something to back this up, we would all be interested.

This case gets more tangled every day :doh:

[Jaded]

It sure does. I wish there were some way to verify the truth of this information. If it pans out, WOW is all I can say.

[SeekingJana]

From Greta's blog.



http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/22/mad-admits-he-and-stacy-got-caught-at-a-dennys-by-sgt-peterson/#comment-103560

I can't find any comments by Greta on the link you posted. It's about Stacy being at Denny's.

This is the first time I have been unable to find an entire entry she has written. Did she remove the part she wrote about Victoria and the murder of a man she was dating?

[Utopia]

I can't find any comments by Greta on the link you posted. It's about Stacy being at Denny's.

This is the first time I have been unable to find an entire entry she has written. Did she remove the part she wrote about Victoria and the murder of a man she was dating?

Hi SJ,

Look again for comment left by Jane at 4:28pm. Then at 5:05pm she posts again saying it was from a National Enquirer article.

U.

[Tom'sGirl]

I can't find any comments by Greta on the link you posted. It's about Stacy being at Denny's.

This is the first time I have been unable to find an entire entry she has written. Did she remove the part she wrote about Victoria and the murder of a man she was dating?

Greta didn't say anything about Victoria and the murder of a man she was dating, a poster did

[SieSie]

From Greta's blog.

Apparently, after her divorce from DP in 1992, his second wife, Victoria, began dating a man and he was killed. The murder was never solved, but now, according to this article, the State Police are taking another look at this murder.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/22/mad-admits-he-and-stacy-got-caught-at-a-dennys-by-sgt-peterson/#comment-103560
I have a feeling that this is just a misunderstanding and it wasn't Vicky cheating and boyfriend died, it was DP cheating (Monica) and her brother (Scott) dying. ??

[Camper]

Hi SJ,

Look again for comment left by Jane at 4:28pm. Then at 5:05pm she posts again saying it was from a National Enquirer article.

U.





--->>>I subscribe to the NE, the last one I currently have is dated Nov 26, 2007, This issue is the first one that had news of DP and missing Stacy.

The next issue is on news stand yesterday but I do not get the current on the news stand issue in my mailbox until next Tuesday!!!!

No mention of Victoria in the issue that I have.

There is a separate story in the issue I have, with background of red, that states,
"New Investigation into Suspicious death of Ex-wife, AND AND is only about Kathleen Savio. Also says, Woman's body to be exhumed and re-examined."

.

[Camper]

Wonder if the Greta poster may have had "The Globe"? I donut take that or even buy except once in a while.

.

[golfmom]

I have a feeling that this is just a misunderstanding and it wasn't Vicky cheating and boyfriend died, it was DP cheating (Monica) and her brother (Scott) dying. ??

SieSie, I saw this reported somewhere through a legitimate news source and for the life of me can't find it now. I have a feeling this one will be poppin up in our google searches soon.

[SeekingJana]

Greta didn't say anything about Victoria and the murder of a man she was dating, a poster did

Thanks, I understand that now. However, in posts prior to today, that point was not made clear.
I don't have much faith in what anonymous people post in blogs.

[DeltaDawn]

It certainly is curious the number of middle aged, healthy people that have died around Drew P, and the younger people also. It certainly gives you pause that he may have been involved in Monika's brother's death, Stacy's Mom 's disappearance, Kathleen's death, now this boyfriend of his second wife , and on Greta someone from the area was writing about another teenager who supposedly tried to commit suicide(he was involved in a drug deal that included a dirty cop), BUT WHEN THE FAMILY FOUND THIS YOUNG MAN HANGING IN BASEMENT they knew he couldn't have done this himself..there was no chair or ladder there, so he couldn't have reached the noose..anyway he did live but has severe brain damage. And now we have Stacy missing..that's a lot misery surrounding this man, and the most he can do is joke?

[SuziQ]

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Hi Guys,

I checked the 12/3 edition of the Enquirer and the Globe - I don't know how accurate they are but this is what was said:

DP is known as a dirty, rogue cop by his colleagues who, in 1985, gave the name of an undercover officer to a drug dealer - he was fired for that.

Kathleen Savio told people DP was hitting up drug dealers for money

The police are checking drug dealers and cops as possible accomplices

Victoria Rutkiewicz (O'Neill, Connolly) wife no. 2 had a boyfriend after her divorce from DP and he was murdered in a grisly manner - the case is unsolved - it could have been a "hit"

:eek:

[SuziQ]

Drew and Victoria divorced in 10-92. I have been checking Illinois data bases and found this one.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/unsolveddetails.cfm?ID=22

Illinois State Police, District Chicago Investigations is seeking assistance regarding the death of Jeffery W. Archer. He was last seen leaving his 1990 Plymouth Voyager, Illinois Registration TU5880 on October 10, 1994, at approximately 5:00 p.m. in the area of 6900 South Wolf Road, Indian Head Park, Illinois. His body was recovered on October 16, 1994, from the Sanitary Shipping Canal, one mile east of Routes 83 and 171.Anyone with any information is urged to contact Special Agent Ray O'Brien, Illinois State Police, District Chicago Investigations at 847/294-4600, or via e-mail at obriera@isp.state.il.us to provide any additional information.

[SuziQ]

And this one.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/unsolveddetails.cfm?ID=18

The City of Wheaton is offering a $5,000 reward for information directly leading to the arrest, prosecution, and murder conviction of the person or persons responsible for the shooting death of 32-year old Aldis L. Tucker in the area of his home in Wheaton on July 28, 1999. Mr. Tucker was shot to death at approximately 10:15 p.m. after arriving at his home and being immediately confronted by his assailant.Please contact Detective William Cooley at (630) 260-2061 or Commander Terry Mee at (630) 260-2056 at the Wheaton Police Department

[maureeng]

Drew and Victoria divorced in 10-92. I have been checking Illinois data bases and found this one.

http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/unsolveddetails.cfm?ID=22

Illinois State Police, District Chicago Investigations is seeking assistance regarding the death of Jeffery W. Archer. He was last seen leaving his 1990 Plymouth Voyager, Illinois Registration TU5880 on October 10, 1994, at approximately 5:00 p.m. in the area of 6900 South Wolf Road, Indian Head Park, Illinois. His body was recovered on October 16, 1994, from the Sanitary Shipping Canal, one mile east of Routes 83 and 171.Anyone with any information is urged to contact Special Agent Ray O'Brien, Illinois State Police, District Chicago Investigations at 847/294-4600, or via e-mail at obriera@isp.state.il.us to provide any additional information.

That is the only one that matches on that site. It is 17 miles from Bollingbrook. I don't know what the Enquirer meant by he met a grisly end.

[nanandjim]

Maybe, the FBI is getting involved because there are numerous disappearances and deaths around Drew Peterson. They want to investigate to see if he played a role in all of them. I personally feel that he did.

I think that he is so used to disposing of people with no trace leading back to him that he is very confident that he will not be arrested. I just hope that someone else who may have been involved in any of the crimes turns on him.

[Littledeer]

hmmmmmmmm, wonder if the Sanitary Shipping Canal" has been searched recently for Stacy's body and/or others? If DP was involved in the 1994 murder of Jeffrey Archer, would he have disposed of other bodies in the same location?

Do you think a cop would use the same MO for "hiding dead bodies"?

[Jaded]

That is the only one that matches on that site. It is 17 miles from Bollingbrook. I don't know what the Enquirer meant by he met a grisly end.

I tried to find additional information on Archer and came up empty handed. Would be interested to know what they meant by grisly end, too.

[SuziQ]

We don't know if it is Archer. But I would be curious as to whether he met a grisly end.

[maureeng]

We don't know if it is Archer. But I would be curious as to whether he met a grisly end.

Anyone have access to the suntimes or Chicago Tribune from that date?

[grace60]

hmmmmmmmm, wonder if the Sanitary Shipping Canal" has been searched recently for Stacy's body and/or others? If DP was involved in the 1994 murder of Jeffrey Archer, would he have disposed of other bodies in the same location?

Do you think a cop would use the same MO for "hiding dead bodies"?

Check out this page I think this is it scroll down about half way.
http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/unsolved.cfm

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Hi Guys,

I checked the 12/3 edition of the Enquirer and the Globe - I don't know how accurate they are but this is what was said:

DP is known as a dirty, rogue cop by his colleagues who, in 1985, gave the name of an undercover officer to a drug dealer - he was fired for that.

Kathleen Savio told people DP was hitting up drug dealers for money

The police are checking drug dealers and cops as possible accomplices

Victoria Rutkiewicz (O'Neill, Connolly) wife no. 2 had a boyfriend after her divorce from DP and he was murdered in a grisly manner - the case is unsolved - it could have been a "hit"

:eek:


hmmmmm............interesting..........maybe this is what the reporter is looking into.

Wonder how many more there are?

DP better be careful. He just might get himself arrested for 'other murders.' They may never find Stacy, but it looks like there are other mysterious circumstances surrounding DP............

frightening.....:(

fran

[englishleigh]

That is the only one that matches on that site. It is 17 miles from Bollingbrook. I don't know what the Enquirer meant by he met a grisly end.

I'd say being found dead in a shipping canal is a pretty grisly end, no matter how the person ends up there. Maybe that's what they meant by "grisly" and they don't have any actual details of the murder, either.

[mysteriew]

Who is Jeffrey Archer?

[Tom'sGirl]

Who is Jeffrey Archer?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1813999&postcount=40
If this was in fact Victoria's boyfriend ????

[Littledeer]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions about this one. I can't remember seeing or reading anywhere that Kathleen had a boyfriend.

Link anyone??

[Tom'sGirl]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions about this one. I can't remember seeing or reading anywhere that Kathleen had a boyfriend.

Link anyone??

My bad, I meant Victoria...............:o

[maureeng]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions about this one. I can't remember seeing or reading anywhere that Kathleen had a boyfriend.

Link anyone??
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56109&page=2&highlight=maureeng

It's total speculation at this point. The Enquirer - questionable in reliability - had an article stating that wife no. 2 had a boyfriend after her divorce from DP who was murdered - the crime is unsolved - he met a "grisly end" said the Enquirer. Another blogger found the Ill. unsolved murder page and there was only one who fit the age group - a man named Jeffrey Archer - but I doubt that page is updated so I don't think we can say he's the man- it would be interesting to check the newspaper about his death to see if there is a connection- that's all.

DP allegedly ran a bar which was frequented by drug dealers, Kathleen Savio told people he was shaking down drug dealers, and an officer Janota said that he was an undercover narc who was betrayed by DP in 1985 (DP allegedly gave his name to a drug dealer). He might have access to murder-for-hire types. That too is speculation.

[mysteriew]

A poster at Greta's posted this one

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/589dfil.html

Drew P didn't work for the Sheriff's Dept did he?

[chicoliving]

No, 29 years with the Bolingbrook PD is all I've heard.

[mysteriew]

Ok, I just went back and reread the DOE page. The officer she had dated was an auxillary officer.

Wickipedia describes auxillary officer as:
Auxiliary police (also called special police or special constables) are usually the part-time reserves of a regular police force. They may be armed or unarmed. They may be unpaid volunteers or paid members of the police service with which they are affiliated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_police

In my county police officers who want to join the sheriff's dept sometimes join the aux on a volunteer basis hoping to get an "in" in case an opening on the dept comes up. Local police often want to join the Sherrif's dept because they are larger so the chances of advancement are greater.

A lot of things in the circumstances sure do fit. 2 men seen dropping her car off. History of an affair with a married auxillary officer, the officer harrassed her for a year then may have been involved with her firing.

[SuziQ]

A poster at Greta's posted this one

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/589dfil.html

Drew P didn't work for the Sheriff's Dept did he?

Wow, I've seen that one before, but never read the details. That whole story is crazy. There couldn't have been that many tow trucks out there. Why wasn't it tracked down? I am sure though getting local LE to help was like pulling teeth. How can we find out who that married officer was?

[SuziQ]

A Will County grand jury ordered the officer and his stepbrother to submit hair and blood samples and appear in a line-up.
Their lawyers argued the two weren’t charged with a crime, so the subpoenas were too broad. The Illinois Supreme Court agreed.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/missing/613521,cst-nws-abrams21.article

[SuziQ]

Since the Oct 4, 1990 disappearance of Robin Abrams, the probe has seemingly centered on an alleged romance the 28-year-old had with Anthony Marquez, 47, then the head of the Will County IL Sheriff's Police Auxiliary.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/7887581.html?dids=7887581&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS&date=Oct+1%2C+1991&author=Shnay%2C+Jerry&pub=Chicago+Tribune&edition=&startpage=2D1&desc=Mom+Clings+to+Hope+for+Daughter (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/7887581.html?dids=7887581&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS&date=Oct+1%2C+1991&author=Shnay%2C+Jerry&pub=Chicago+Tribune&edition=&startpage=2D1&desc=Mom+Clings+to+Hope+for+Daughter)

[mysteriew]

Ok, on the surface since we don't know of any step brother, it looks like maybe they aren't connected. I wonder if Drew P knew the guy? Could they have been helpful to each other through the years?

[SuziQ]

(snip)
This has been a single-minded crusade on the part of Robin's mother, Barb Abrams, who believes that conspiracies exist and that justice will not prevail. Now she claims even law enforcement officials won't listen to her.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/24118816.html?dids=24118816:24118816&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Aug+12%2C+1994&author=Jerry+Shnay%2C+Tribune+Staff+Writer.&pub=Chicago+Tribune+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&edition=&startpage=2&desc=MISSING+WOMAN%27S+MOM+STILL+SEEKING+ANSWERS (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/24118816.html?dids=24118816:24118816&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=Aug+12%2C+1994&author=Jerry+Shnay%2C+Tribune+Staff+Writer.&pub=Chicago+Tribune+(pre-1997+Fulltext)&edition=&startpage=2&desc=MISSING+WOMAN%27S+MOM+STILL+SEEKING+ANSWERS)

[mysteriew]

Hey SuziQ, check this one out
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/abrams_robin.html

It sounds so familiar.

[SuziQ]

Hey SuziQ, check this one out
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/abrams_robin.html

It sounds so familiar.

de ja vu, Kathleen Savio. Will County has some serious issues with LE going back decades.

[mysteriew]

The number 2 keeps going through my head. Two men moving a barrel. Two men dropping off a car. 2 men with problems with gf's/wives. 2 men who are LE in the same county. Likely they knew each other- but how well did they know each other?

[fran]

Looks like the FBI is going to have their hands full.

hmmmmmmmmmmm........

fran

[DeltaDawn]

Looks like now we can add another near death to the list of Drew's bodies he has left in his wake..the barrel moving man that tried to kill himself the day after he helped Drew.

[curiositycat]

Yes and whoever this man is he must of been so scared of DP that he thought the only way out of this was to kill himself.
There is a lot of crime and corruption connected to DP. I bet a lot of it will NEVER come out.:angel:


Looks like now we can add another near death to the list of Drew's bodies he has left in his wake..the barrel moving man that tried to kill himself the day after he helped Drew.

[TGIRecovered]

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Here's a new thought--
Maybe Thomas had no intention of killing himself. Could he have been poisoned by Drew?

I know I was surprized that Drew, being a cop and knowing how LE uses accomplices to get the goods on the real killer, was foolish enough to use an accomplice at all. Think about it; if you had helped "turn" criminal accomplices in the past, wouldn't you think up a way to get rid of the body without risking that same time-tested tactic being used against you? DP surely was not stupid enough to believe that Thomas, or anyone else was that trustworthy.

*Drew knew Thomas was a drinker.

*He could have easily promised Thomas a bottle of whatever is his favorite liquor in return for "helping me move some stuff".

*Drew could have added the antidepressants to the liquor before giving it to Thomas, knowing that Thomas would consume a large amount and it would look like suicide, since T has a history of suicide attempts.


This scenerio sounds much more likely to me than Drew trusting anyone not to rat on him. It fits his MO...when a person is no longer useful to Drew, they turn up dead.

What do y'all think?

Susan
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[browneyedgirl]

I like your way of thinking, TGIR. It's definately a thought worth considering and knowing DP like we are starting to, I would have to say that it seems like something he would actually think to do.

It's definately "outside the box" thinking, and that is exactly why he thinks he is smarter than the average person and is confident that he will get away with the "perfect murder".

Very good theory:clap: :clap: :clap:

[TGIRecovered]

I feel all warm an' fuzzy!
Thanks, browneyedgirl.

[browneyedgirl]

I feel all warm an' fuzzy!
Thanks, browneyedgirl.

:blushing: AWW shucks :blushing: you're most welcome. It is a very plausible theory and one that I hope LE is considering. I wish we could get some type of interview with this guy.....I wish they would find Stacy and bring her home to her family.

[TGIRecovered]

:blushing: AWW shucks :blushing: you're most welcome. It is a very plausible theory and one that I hope LE is considering. I wish we could get some type of interview with this guy.....I wish they would find Stacy and bring her home to her family.

Yeah, don't think they let you surf the net in rehab... not that I have any info on where he might be, just sayin'.

Susan

[DeltaDawn]

I think Drew had a hand in this near fatal overdose of Thomas...could be poisoning..could be the wrong words at the wrong time..Drew's very manilulative..I don't put anything or anyone past him. And how could his Mom give an interview like that about Drew being so wonderful after this just happened to her step son /son? Me thinks they are keeping this info from MOM.

[browneyedgirl]

You would think a reporter would have found the person he called that night and confessed to the night he helped DP.

I knew that I should have went into journalism, LOL

[browneyedgirl]

I think Drew had a hand in this near fatal overdose of Thomas...could be poisoning..could be the wrong words at the wrong time..Drew's very manilulative..I don't put anything or anyone past him. And how could his Mom give an interview like that about Drew being so wonderful after this just happened to her step son /son? Me thinks they are keeping this info from MOM.

Something has to be going on there - no way do we have another Jackie Peterson - WHEW - I don't think I'm ready for another one of her.:eek:

[SuziQ]

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Something has to be going on there - no way do we have another Jackie Peterson - WHEW - I don't think I'm ready for another one of her.:eek:

I couldn't handle another Jackie! She creeped me out more than her son did!

[fran]

There is NO COINCIDENCE when it comes to murder!

How many bodies, suicides, attempted suicides, disappearances, have to go on around this guy, before someone thinks, "Hey, there is something going on here!?":snooty:

Sheeshhhh

JMHO
fran

[browneyedgirl]

I couldn't handle another Jackie! She creeped me out more than her son did!

Me too, SuziQ. After I read the books by his sister and Sharon Rocha, I disliked her even more. She totally has the EWW factor,

[fran]

I found this on gretawire this morning. What do you think? Truth?

Is this another body? I dunno. In another post, it mentioned he died in the hospital but didn't give a COD.

fran

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/28/the-big-question/#comments

Comment by Julie from MN
November 29th, 2007 at 2:25 am
Comment by Wendy, Los Angeles
November 29th, 2007 at 2:19 am
Julie MN. how do you know it’s the same guy???? just curious. Hi by the way, lost you earlier in the gretawire debacle
———————————————–

Hey Wendy….

Well, it’s the same name as it’s listed in her obituary. And this person (boyfriend) was listed as “deeply missing” Kathleen in her obituary. I assumed from the choice of wording that it was a boyfriend or dear, dear friend of Kathleen’s. He was the only one mentioned with family members.

He doesn’t have a common last name. Age wise - it might work.

All I know is the same name listed in her obituary now as his own obituary.

Did Steve say tonight on the show that “someone’s boyfriend had died”? I missed that part, if Steve did indeed say that.

I find it odd that someone with the same name as Kathleen’s significant

[browneyedgirl]

I found this on gretawire this morning. What do you think? Truth?

Is this another body? I dunno. In another post, it mentioned he died in the hospital but didn't give a COD.

fran

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/28/the-big-question/#comments

Comment by Julie from MN
November 29th, 2007 at 2:25 am
Comment by Wendy, Los Angeles
November 29th, 2007 at 2:19 am
Julie MN. how do you know it’s the same guy???? just curious. Hi by the way, lost you earlier in the gretawire debacle
———————————————–

Hey Wendy….

Well, it’s the same name as it’s listed in her obituary. And this person (boyfriend) was listed as “deeply missing” Kathleen in her obituary. I assumed from the choice of wording that it was a boyfriend or dear, dear friend of Kathleen’s. He was the only one mentioned with family members.

He doesn’t have a common last name. Age wise - it might work.

All I know is the same name listed in her obituary now as his own obituary.

Did Steve say tonight on the show that “someone’s boyfriend had died”? I missed that part, if Steve did indeed say that.

I find it odd that someone with the same name as Kathleen’s significant

Good Catch, Fran. Very interesting.....I would still ike to know if he was possibly involved in her mother's disappearance.

[maureeng]

I found this on gretawire this morning. What do you think? Truth?

Is this another body? I dunno. In another post, it mentioned he died in the hospital but didn't give a COD.

fran

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/28/the-big-question/#comments

Comment by Julie from MN
November 29th, 2007 at 2:25 am
Comment by Wendy, Los Angeles
November 29th, 2007 at 2:19 am
Julie MN. how do you know it’s the same guy???? just curious. Hi by the way, lost you earlier in the gretawire debacle
———————————————–

Hey Wendy….

Well, it’s the same name as it’s listed in her obituary. And this person (boyfriend) was listed as “deeply missing” Kathleen in her obituary. I assumed from the choice of wording that it was a boyfriend or dear, dear friend of Kathleen’s. He was the only one mentioned with family members.

He doesn’t have a common last name. Age wise - it might work.

All I know is the same name listed in her obituary now as his own obituary.

Did Steve say tonight on the show that “someone’s boyfriend had died”? I missed that part, if Steve did indeed say that.

I find it odd that someone with the same name as Kathleen’s significant


I read that wife no. 2's boyfriend died after her divorce from DP - it was the Enquirer unfortunately. There couldn't be another dead boyfriend, could there? With DP, one never knows.

[Tom'sGirl]

I read that wife no. 2's boyfriend died after her divorce from DP - it was the Enquirer unfortunately. There couldn't be another dead boyfriend, could there? With DP, one never knows.

I think poeple are getting confused maureeng, and you are right, it was the boyfriend of Vicky/wife #2 that supposedly had been found dead.

But, nothing has been determined to verify this, or has a valid name of that person been given.

[SuziQ]

I read that wife no. 2's boyfriend died after her divorce from DP - it was the Enquirer unfortunately. There couldn't be another dead boyfriend, could there? With DP, one never knows.

This is in regards to Kathleens boyfriend. And yes, posters everywhere are anxious to find out his COD.

[DeltaDawn]

I think Drew is going to come up being a serial killer of people he knew, loved, and people who knew and loved them. Is that where the evil lies..Drew doesn't feel truly loved and appreciated by anyone other then himself, because he can't imagine fidelity from another because he has not been faithful..that if someone goes against him that is close to him or getting in between him and someone he loves..they're history.. if that is so, Scott Rossetto and his brother are lucky that Cassandra drew the police into this right away..Drew couldn't murder the male friend at that point or his pretend story wouldn't make sense..but he tried his best to pin this on Scott Rossetto it would seem...poor, pitiful Drew. The best love in the world was never good enough for you, was it.

[Littledeer]

DP was married to Wife #2 (VICKY) and was cheating on her with Monica (someone who lived closed by) and Monica's BROTHER found out about it, and HE was the one that was found hanged.

Now, there could be a boyfriend that Vicky had after the divorce, that also died, but I am not sure on that one.??

No surprise to me if there was seeing how DP has dead bodies everywhere.

[maureeng]

This is in regards to Kathleens boyfriend. And yes, posters everywhere are anxious to find out his COD.

So there's another possible victim? This is getting unbelievable. Why isn't social services camped out on DP's front lawn, protecting the children? I think he's going to be arrested soon - I've never seen so much circumstantial evidence. I wonder what the son said to the GJ.

[Littledeer]

maureen:

I've been sitting her all night hoping for a little tidbit to come out from the grand jury yesterday. Wish I could have been a fly on a wall listening!!!!

How sad and terrified that poor boy must have been!!!! No child should have to go through that!!!!!!

[DeltaDawn]

Yes, that is odd..no news from the GJ. I feel for all of Drew's children, but especially this 14 year old..that puts this child between a rock and a hard place to testify and then have to go home to Drew's house....it's almost the same place Stacy was in and we know what happened to her.

[fran]

It would seem that either Drew is poison, or he has super abilities to put a curse on you. Or,............is DP the curse?!:doh:

1. BF of ex-wife found murdered
2. Brother of gf who opposed his sister's relationship with DP, found dead by suicide. DP was who found him.
3. Ex-Wife #3 found accidentally drowned in an empty bathtub, ruled accidental, she died before the divorce property settlement and DP gets everything. DP was the one who led others to discover the body.
4. Ex-Wife #3's bf died shortly after her mysterious death. The bf was only 50 yo
5. Wife #4 disappeared without a trace, coincidentally, at the same time she was asking for a divorce and had just begun school so that she would be able to support herself and her children.

Interesting,
fran

[SuziQ]

It would seem that either Drew is poison, or he has super abilities to put a curse on you. Or,............is DP the curse?!:doh:

1. BF of ex-wife found murdered
2. Brother of gf who opposed his sister's relationship with DP, found dead by suicide. DP was who found him.
3. Ex-Wife #3 found accidentally drowned in an empty bathtub, ruled accidental, she died before the divorce property settlement and DP gets everything. DP was the one who led others to discover the body.
4. Ex-Wife #3's bf died shortly after her mysterious death. The bf was only 50 yo
5. Wife #4 disappeared without a trace, coincidentally, at the same time she was asking for a divorce and had just begun school so that she would be able to support herself and her children.
Interesting,
fran

And Tom would have been #6 if he didn't survive the OD.

[SuziQ]

So there's another possible victim? This is getting unbelievable. Why isn't social services camped out on DP's front lawn, protecting the children? I think he's going to be arrested soon - I've never seen so much circumstantial evidence. I wonder what the son said to the GJ.

It's spinning out of control faster than I can wrap my mind around it. No wonder there are 64+ LE officers working on this.

[concernedperson]

It's spinning out of control faster than I can wrap my mind around it. No wonder there are 64+ LE officers working on this.

I agree and I am having a hard time keeping the bodies lined up. Can someone put an estimate on the people that have died or gone missing that were around Drew?

[fran]

It's spinning out of control faster than I can wrap my mind around it. No wonder there are 64+ LE officers working on this.

Exactly!

I honestly believe they do have a serial killer in this guy and he's a danger to society in general. Everyone who knows him and opposes his view should fear for their life!

I have a feeling those 64 + officers are going to be busy for a longggg time trying to go over the 29 years DP was a police officer and every case he's worked. Anyone from behind the scenes that has done him a 'favor' in the past, better be watching their back!:eek:

JMHO
fran

[fran]

And Tom would have been #6 if he didn't survive the OD.

I honestly agree with you SuzieQ.

Wonder if there are any other 'suicides' related to DP?:silenced:

JMHO
fran

[dee10134]

So there's another possible victim? This is getting unbelievable. Why isn't social services camped out on DP's front lawn, protecting the children? I think he's going to be arrested soon - I've never seen so much circumstantial evidence. I wonder what the son said to the GJ.

You cannot convict a person of murder on circumstantial evidence alone. There should be some type of physical evidence to convict along with MOUNTAINS of circumstantial evidence and witness testimony, if the body is not found.

[grace60]

Did anyone else hear that Drews lawyer said Toms wife disappeared 10 years ago? I read it on ctv forums. I could not find a link but will keep looking.

[curiositycat]

This is what I have been saying all along too! This guy is a serial killer.:behindbar



Exactly!

I honestly believe they do have a serial killer in this guy and he's a danger to society in general. Everyone who knows him and opposes his view should fear for their life!

I have a feeling those 64 + officers are going to be busy for a longggg time trying to go over the 29 years DP was a police officer and every case he's worked. Anyone from behind the scenes that has done him a 'favor' in the past, better be watching their back!:eek:

JMHO
fran

[SuziQ]

Did anyone else hear that Drews lawyer said Toms wife disappeared 10 years ago? I read it on ctv forums. I could not find a link but will keep looking.

WTF? No way!!! Keep us posted.

Dee, we really need you to dig up Kathleens BF info.

[SuziQ]

Wow, Ric Mims said in a Gretacast that Erika at the Trib is reasearching a missing person case from the 80's that Drew had a connection to......hmmmmm.

[SuziQ]

Did anyone else hear that Drews lawyer said Toms wife disappeared 10 years ago? I read it on ctv forums. I could not find a link but will keep looking.

That wouldn't be the same one who had DV charges brought against him would it? I think Dee may know her name. She was able to find a rap sheet for Tom.

[DeltaDawn]

Who worked at the police station Tom's ex wife or current girlfriend?

[fran]

Did anyone else hear that Drews lawyer said Toms wife disappeared 10 years ago? I read it on ctv forums. I could not find a link but will keep looking.

Here ya go.

Wow! Never a dull moment in this case.:eek:

fran

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3557855n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml

[grace60]

Here ya go.

Wow! Never a dull moment in this case.:eek:

fran

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3557855n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml


Thanks for finding that. I was looking everywhere after I posted. I work nights and could not keep my eyes open any longer.

[DeltaDawn]

So now we are up to 6 or is it 7 possible disappearances, runaway, dead, accidentally dead, suicidal individuals that are in Drew's family, extended family and friends....Old Drew should come with a warning label..this guy could be hazardous to your health and well being.

[SeriouslySearching]

I do find it fascinating the number of people surrounding him either dead, missing, or supposedly missing. What are the chances?! If we talked stats on this...they would be astronomical!

The fact we even have to have a thread named, "Trail of bodies..." is wild!

[maureeng]

Did anyone else hear that Drews lawyer said Toms wife disappeared 10 years ago? I read it on ctv forums. I could not find a link but will keep looking.

CBS comment about Tom Morphey's wife disappearing per Joel. http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3557855n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml

This is an article in which To Morphey's sister speaks out
http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=37703@wbbm.dayport.com

Anyone who hangs around this guy seems to take their lives in their hands.

[angelmom]

So now we are up to 6 or is it 7 possible disappearances, runaway, dead, accidentally dead, suicidal individuals that are in Drew's family, extended family and friends....Old Drew should come with a warning label..this guy could be hazardous to your health and well being.

Drinking and smoking not killing you fast enough? Drew Peterson needs a date! Call 555-1764.

:innocent:

[maureeng]

Mark Fuhrman on Gretawire is now describing the two men who went into Krispy Kreme and sat there without ordering. Mark believes it was Tom and Drew.

[angelmom]

I do find it fascinating the number of people surrounding him either dead, missing, or supposedly missing. What are the chances?! If we talked stats on this...they would be astronomical!

The fact we even have to have a thread named, "Trail of bodies..." is wild!

The Surgeon General warns that Drew Peterson can cause drowning, head injuries, unexplained absences, and suicidal tendencies. But he is a good kisser with a great sense of humor.

:silenced:

[cheko1]

I was reading someplace today that Drew paid Tom $2000.00 for helping him move the blue barrel. He says he's a good kisser but I'd say he's a good tipper too!

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL Angelmom and Cheko!! Good ones!!

Where did you get that 2 grand figure?! I would love to read that article if you can remember where it was. Good tipper is RIGHT! (I still throw up a little in my mouth every time I see his quote of him being a good kisser tho.)

Turn about is fair play...and Tom became even a better tipper if you ask me!!

[DeltaDawn]

You know these are just relations, family, friends that we know of...makes me wonder how many people suddenly disappeared or went suicidal that may have been invoLved in Drew's dirty cop world..druggies, etc?

[SeriouslySearching]

You know these are just relations, family, friends that we know of...makes me wonder how many people suddenly disappeared or went suicidal that may have been invoLved in Drew's dirty cop world..druggies, etc?This is what we discussed earlier. Every case he has worked on and even other suspicious, unsolved deaths in and around BB should be reinvestigated by the AG.

[dee10134]

Someone asked me about Kitty Savio's "dear friend" (possible boyfriend) mentioned in the obituary. I just got around to finding his name. It was "Steve Maniaci."

From the obit:
"Recent Deaths
Kathleen Savio
Age 40, passed away suddenly March 1, 2004 at her residence of eleven years in Bolingbrook, formerly of Glendale Heights.
She is survived by her loving children Thomas and Kristopher Peterson. Devoted daughter of Henry (Marcia) Savio. Sister of Anna Marie Savio-Doman, Susan M. Savio, Henry M. (Mary) Savio, and Nicholas Savio. Aunt of Charles H. Doman, Melissa (Tom) Moore, Michael E. Lisak, Angela M. Lisak, Elizabeth Savio, Robert Savio, And Noelle Savio. Niece of Mike Szpak. Dear friend of Steve Maniaci.
She is preceded in death by her Mother, Mary Savio.
Visitation Friday 3-9 p.m. at the Anderson Memorial Chapel, 606 Townhall Dr. in Romeoville. Funeral Saturday, March 6, 2004, 9:30 a.m. from the funeral home chapel to St. Andrew Catholic Church for a 10 a.m. Mass of Christian Burial. Interment to follow at Queen of Heaven Catholic Cemetery in Hillside.
ANDERSON MEMORIAL CHAPEL
606 Townhall Dr., Romeoville
(815)886-2323"

[dee10134]

About Steve Maniaci...

I don't know if this is the SAME Steve (since this obit's from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, BUT he's dead as well...

"Steven Maniaci

Steven Maniaci, 50, of O'Fallon, died Wednesday (July 20, 2005) at St. Joseph Hospital West in Lake Saint Louis.

Mr. Maniaci was a car salesman for Suntrup Automotive in St. Peters.

A memorial gathering will be held from noon to 6 p.m. Saturday at Baue Funeral and Memorial Center, 3950 West Clay Street, St. Charles. The body was cremated.

Among the survivors are two sons, Nicholas Maniaci and Ryan Maniaci, both of O'Fallon; his mother, Lois Maniaci of Maryland Heights; and a brother, Pete Maniaci Jr. of St. Louis.

In lieu of flowers, memorials can be made to the family, checks payable to Lois Maniaci, in care of Baue Funeral and Memorial Center, 3950 West Clay Street, St. Charles, Mo. 63301."

ETA: Not so sure that this is the Steve mentioned in Kathleen Savio's obituary since I find a Steve Maniaci living in Glen Ellyn, IL in the US Public Records Index. It says Steve Maniaci of Glen Ellyn was born in 1959, while the Steven Maniaci of St. Louis, MO was born in 1955 (if he was 50 at the time of his death in 2005). FYI:

Name: Steve Maniaci
Street address: Removed to Protect Privacy
City: Glen Ellyn
County: Du Page
State: Illinois
Zip Code: 60137
Phone Number: Removed to Protect Privacy
Record Number: 265538741

[SeriouslySearching]

Great work, Dee!!! That clears that up! However, I would still like to know what happened to Archer and if anyone was ever charged with his death.

Hmmm....I am doubting that the Steve mentioned in the obit is/was a used car salesman in MO.

[dee10134]

Great work, Dee!!! That clears that up! However, I would still like to know what happened to Archer and if anyone was every charged with his death. Hmmm....


I'm looking.. :D

[dee10134]

Chicago Tribune, Obituary Index, 1988-1997 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=7304&enc=1)
about Archer, Jeffrey W.

Name: Archer, Jeffrey W.
Date: 29-Oct-94

No text was provided. I'm still searching for info.

[cheko1]

Another body surfacing is:
Melissa Mitchell, apparently she was dating Drew. She turned up dead from stab wounds.... 7/26/05

[DeltaDawn]

Oh no..that just can't be another mysterious death of someone who knew Drew.

Cheko where did you find that info on Melissa?

[grace60]

Another body surfacing is:
Melissa Mitchell, apparently she was dating Drew. She turned up dead from stab wounds.... 7/26/05


I read about that on findstacy.com A person who works in a bar there said it was a rumor and the first he's heard that rumor was after SP went missing. She was a sheriff for Will county.

[englishleigh]

Another body surfacing is:
Melissa Mitchell, apparently she was dating Drew. She turned up dead from stab wounds.... 7/26/05

OMG, another one? :eek:

[concernedperson]

I'm stunned! Surely this is just a rumor?????

[cheko1]

Well apparently she was dating someone but not enough evidence to charge him with.

Word still is..... she supposedly was dating Drew.....
Its over at findstacypeterson.com
Its been sent into Gretawire tips!

[cheko1]

LOL Angelmom and Cheko!! Good ones!!

Where did you get that 2 grand figure?! I would love to read that article if you can remember where it was. Good tipper is RIGHT! (I still throw up a little in my mouth every time I see his quote of him being a good kisser tho.)

Turn about is fair play...and Tom became even a better tipper if you ask me!!


It also came from findstacypeterson.com

[SeriouslySearching]

I wouldn't be surprised at all, Cheko! Of course, Drew would have made it look like her boyfriend did it...which could be reason why there wasn't enough evidence to tie him to it.

As we have come to understand Drew...what is HIS is ALWAYS HIS. If she was dating him and began dating another person...guess what?! That is a death sentence from men like Drew!

[Camper]

Another body surfacing is:
Melissa Mitchell, apparently she was dating Drew. She turned up dead from stab wounds.... 7/26/05




--->>>I googled all over the place and never found this particular Melissa Mitchell. There are boatloads of them doing all sorts of things, but did not find anything about 'this' one. Help, er, huh?

.

[SuziQ]

I'm looking.. :D

You are pretty good at this. Thank you Dee!

[SuziQ]

Robin Abrams is the one who dated the Will County Sheriff deputy by the name of Marques. And as far as I can see there is no connection yet between them and Drew.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/589dfil.html

Melissa Mitchell is rumored to have been sleeping around with Drew when she passed away in...2005? As someone at Findstacy pointed out, this is bar talk and you know how people talk when they've been drinking.

There are also two other names that have been brought up over there. IMO, they are all a far stretch from being connected. But you never know.

[close_enough]

Another body surfacing is:
Melissa Mitchell, apparently she was dating Drew. She turned up dead from stab wounds.... 7/26/05

:eek: she dated DP, was in LE also, & is dead now...whoa!

[SuziQ]

--->>>I googled all over the place and never found this particular Melissa Mitchell. There are boatloads of them doing all sorts of things, but did not find anything about 'this' one. Help, er, huh?

.

The posters at Findstacy.com got the names off of a Will County DV site. It lists all the women that have been murdered during the past couple of decades. Melissa died of multiple stab wounds and someone saw two other names with the same COD and they kinda ran with that. I don't think they have anything to do with anything. IMO.

[close_enough]

The posters at Findstacy.com got the names off of a Will County DV site. It lists all the women that have been murdered during the past couple of decades. Melissa died of multiple stab wounds and someone saw two other names with the same COD and they kinda ran with that. I don't think they have anything to do with anything. IMO.

you're probably right, but then again, as you stated, "you never know".....wild

[SuziQ]

The below link has more info on Robins disappearance. And in this thread, posts 60,61, and 63 have links to articles about Robins case.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/abrams_robin.html

[Pocono Sleuther]

Holy crap! I never added it up. Please tell me the police are making the same connections we are!



So now we are up to 6 or is it 7 possible disappearances, runaway, dead, accidentally dead, suicidal individuals that are in Drew's family, extended family and friends....Old Drew should come with a warning label..this guy could be hazardous to your health and well being.

[SeriouslySearching]

Holy crap! I never added it up. Please tell me the police are making the same connections we are!Don't count on it! They didn't even ask for the surveillance video from Krispy Kreme!!

[concernedperson]

Don't count on it! They didn't even ask for the surveillance video from Krispy Kreme!!

Great point! If Greta and team weren't on this 24/7 we may not know what we do. It is media vs. media getting the scoop and digging hard. LE is having to answer just to stay on the same page.

[maureeng]

You cannot convict a person of murder on circumstantial evidence alone. There should be some type of physical evidence to convict along with MOUNTAINS of circumstantial evidence and witness testimony, if the body is not found.


I imagine if the police have the physical or testimonial evidence, it will come out of the GJ soon. They mostly had circumstantial evidence on Scott Peterson - I don't think they'd need much physical evidence on DP if these news reports are accurate, and, of course, that is a big "if."

He sure looks guilty and crazy. :crazy:

[SuziQ]

All this talk about Krispy Kreme is giving me a sweet tooth. (we don't have one in my small town)

[SeriouslySearching]

He sure looks guilty and crazy. :crazy:Too bad we can't convict him on those tributes!! We could also add: First Degree Creepy and Second Degree Stupid as charges! LOL

[Littledeer]

There have been many cases that have resulted in an arrest and a conviction in a trial of peers without a body from circumstantial evidence alone.

I am amazed with everything that is a fact since October 28th, that DP has not been arrested yet! What do they need? Is it because he is a cop, that Stacy's body HAS to be found to make an arrest??

Suzi: I will send you some Krispy cremes........... :)

[chicoliving]

Once an arrest is made the clock starts ticking.....

[SeriouslySearching]

Right, Chico. Besides...daily now things are starting to close in around Drew. More information is coming out by the hour about what he has been up to even in the days preceeding her having gone missing now! They have no need to rush to arrest him. It is much better to allow them to take their time as this information keeps filtering in as they are building a solid case against him.

[Littledeer]

SS and chico you are both right. I am the one that is being impatient.

But the reason I am, is not for arresting DP being arrested, but for the children. The evidence of DP possibly "premediting" is coming out now and that is only going to (IMO) make him more stressed that he wasn't the "great cop, kisser, etc.) that he envisions himself to be, (or that he isn't getting away with all of his pre-planning?), and the walls are all crumbling down.

First Degree: Premeditation
First Degree: Murder with Intent

[SuziQ]

Awwww, thanks Littledeer.

[SeriouslySearching]

You know...they are making fun of us over on Jamie Colby's blog about this thread! LOL

Wait until some of these things come out later about Drew...and we were on top of it first!! WAHLAH! They won't be making fun of us then, huh?!

[cricket]

SS and chico you are both right. I am the one that is being impatient.

But the reason I am, is not for arresting DP being arrested, but for the children. The evidence of DP possibly "premediting" is coming out now and that is only going to (IMO) make him more stressed that he wasn't the "great cop, kisser, etc.) that he envisions himself to be, (or that he isn't getting away with all of his pre-planning?), and the walls are all crumbling down.

First Degree: Premeditation
First Degree: Murder with Intent

I'm really leaning towards the fact that he did premeditate this. But - I think that he had to speed up his plan because Stacy told him that day/weekend that she wanted a divorce and wanted him to move out. I think they must have had an argument and he killed her before he was ready to kill her. Then, he's stuck with a house full of kids and a body.

If he had been able to stick with his original plan, he would not have needed help with the body. But because it happened that Sunday, suddenly he has a body on his hands and I bet rigor mortis set in, which made Stacy stiff and he was unable to carry her body by himself.

[DeltaDawn]

I'm really leaning towards the fact that he did premeditate this. But - I think that he had to speed up his plan because Stacy told him that day/weekend that she wanted a divorce and wanted him to move out. I think they must have had an argument and he killed her before he was ready to kill her. Then, he's stuck with a house full of kids and a body.

If he had been able to stick with his original plan, he would not have needed help with the body. But because it happened that Sunday, suddenly he has a body on his hands and I bet rigor mortis set in, which made Stacy stiff and he was unable to carry her body by himself.


Stacy had told him about 3 to 4 weeks prior to her disappearance that she wanted a divorce, not just that weekend.

He bought the large chlorine barrel 3 to 4 weeks before her disappearance.

She had been having disagreements and problems with him during this whole period.

Some of Drew's belongings were already packed in the garage.

She had already been checking on places she might be able to rent or move to..Pam Bosco is a realtor..and had been showing her some places.
I think she knew Drew was not moving out so she was checking on her own for a place.

She had been feeling more and more uncomfortable about the situation with Drew..she told friends and family if I go missing..Drew did it. She knew push was coming to shove.

This was 100% premeditated by Drew, in my thoughts, he was preparing from the day she wanted a divorce, and he knew she knew too much to let her just walk out on the marriage.

Drew thoght he had more time then he did to dispose of the body and any other evidence, specifically the diary which more then likely contains references to Kathleen's death and other unlawful acts by Drew..until Cassandra showed up at 2:30 AM AND HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT SHE WAS DOING..THAT'S WHEN HE FOUND OUT SHE HAD ALREADY REPORTED STACY MISSING.

Drew thought he had more time because he would be the one after a week or so to say she is missing or I heard from her and she isn't coming home.

[TKS2003]

I imagine if the police have the physical or testimonial evidence, it will come out of the GJ soon. They mostly had circumstantial evidence on Scott Peterson - I don't think they'd need much physical evidence on DP if these news reports are accurate, and, of course, that is a big "if."

He sure looks guilty and crazy. :crazy:

There was a case here in Ohio (Carrie Culbertson), about 10 miles from my house--NO body, NO physical evidence, and the boyfriend was convicted....

[cricket]

Stacy had told him about 3 to 4 weeks prior to her disappearance that she wanted a divorce, not just that weekend.

He bought the large chlorine barrel 3 to 4 weeks before her disappearance.

She had been having disagreements and problems with him during this whole period.

Some of Drew's belongings were already packed in the garage.

She had already been checking on places she might be able to rent or move to..Pam Bosco is a realtor..and had been showing her some places.
I think she knew Drew was not moving out so she was checking on her own for a place.

She had been feeling more and more uncomfortable about the situation with Drew..she told friends and family if I go missing..Drew did it. She knew push was coming to shove.

This was 100% premeditated by Drew, in my thoughts, he was preparing from the day she wanted a divorce, and he knew she knew too much to let her just walk out on the marriage.

Drew thoght he had more time then he did to dispose of the body and any other evidence, specifically the diary which more then likely contains references to Kathleen's death and other unlawful acts by Drew..until Cassandra showed up at 2:30 AM AND HE WANTED TO KNOW WHAT SHE WAS DOING..THAT'S WHEN HE FOUND OUT SHE HAD ALREADY REPORTED STACY MISSING.

Drew thought he had more time because he would be the one after a week or so to say she is missing or I heard from her and she isn't coming home.


Delta - you are probably right that she did tell him weeks earlier. I was just thinking that she got serious about it that weekend and that may have been what set him off. I'm trying to understand what may have caused him to move up his timetable. It just seems like it was unplanned (for that particular day) because the kids were there -- that he would have planned to do it while they were in school.

Assuming he did kill her, whatever caused it to take place on that Sunday did screw up his time table, because she was expected to go paint at that friend's house. Plus, as you mentioned, if Cassandra showed up at 2:30 AM and told him she had already reported Stacy missing, then he was in serious trouble in regards to disposing of her body and having to do it very quickly.

There are some hinky things in his early statements. According to that Chicago Tribune article from November 1st:

Drew Peterson said he talked to Stacy's sister Sunday night after his wife told him she was leaving. About midnight, he heard from Bolingbrook police that his sister-in-law had reported Stacy missing.

That makes it sound like he talked to Stacy's sister sometime after the (made-up) call from Stacy at 9 PM, but before midnight, when he supposedly learned from BBPD that her sister had reported her missing.
You may be right that when Cassandra told him she'd filed the missing person's report is the first he had heard about it.

From the get-go, he has given inconsistent statements. Later in that same article:

Peterson said he was not surprised his wife has not used her cell phone. "She knows you can find people with the phone," he said, adding the couple shares a family cell phone plan.


You notice how he is so quick to point out that they have a "family" cell plan? As if that was the only phone Stacy had? Haven't we learned since then that SP got herself a new cell phone, because DP had been monitoring her old one?






full article at:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/northwest/chi-peterson_01nov01,0,6805815.story

[maureeng]

I took this from a poster - Linda - on Greta's blog - it's too funny not to share.

http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/2007/11/separated-at-bi.html

[ISPTRAX]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
I took this from a poster - Linda - on Greta's blog - it's too funny not to share.

http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/2007/11/separated-at-bi.html

[JanetElaine]

I took this from a poster - Linda - on Greta's blog - it's too funny not to share.

http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/2007/11/separated-at-bi.html

That's an insult to the Cowardly Lion... ;)

[maureeng]

That's an insult to the Cowardly Lion... ;)

You're right - what was I thinking
:eek:

[DeltaDawn]

I keep thinking that Drew had 30 hours between Kathy's death and her body found dead at home....and it appears he arranged it so Steve would find it...so did that make him think in this case that his story about her running away with another man would not be questioned for a few days.

Then he could have put the body in an obvious location so that it was found and since his brother Tom's fingerprints were on the box get him involved or maybe Scott Rosetto by leaving it nearby his home? I keep thinking up until 2:30 AM on Monday he felt he was in the clear..and I think he had a plan..that had to quickly change due to Cassandra's telling him she had reported Stacy missing. I think after that some screw ups came into play that we still aren't aware of but LE is.

Just like we are now hearing about Tom and the truckers...and the police have known these things since early on..there are probably other things they know that we don't.
Like who was the trucker that carried the evidence away..where it was left, who picked up the package from them..and the last bit is what they are working on now..what they did once they picked up the package.

And the very final bit..what was in the package..a cell phone, other evidence, Stacy..maybe all of the afore mentioned.

[Niner]

There is NO COINCIDENCE when it comes to murder!

How many bodies, suicides, attempted suicdies, disappearance, have to go on around this guy, before someone thinks, "Hey, there is something going on here!?" :snooty:

Sheeshhhh

so... Fran's quote above got me thinking - so I made a list of ALL the murders, bodies, suicides, etc that have been posted on this thread - so at least we have a COMPLETE list...

1. Christie Cales - 1998
2. Steve - Monica's brother supposedly committed suicide when his sister (Monica) was dating her when still married to Vicki (wife #2)
3. Kathleen Savio - wife #3 - drowned in bathtub - 2004
4. A reporter named Erica is investigating Drew's connection to a missing persons case from the 1980's.
5. Jeffery Archer Boyfriend of Vicki - killed (murder never solved) - 1994
6. teenager who supposedly tried to committ suicide (he was involved in a drug deal that included a dirty cop) - family found this young man hanging in basement...
7. Aldis L. Tucker (post #41) - 1999
8. Robin Abrams - disappeared in 1990
9. Steve Maniaci Boyfriend of Kathleen (wife #3) - 2004
10. Stacy Peterson - wife $ disappeared without a trace
11. Tom Morphey - tries to commit suicide - 2007
12. Tom's wife disappeared 10 year ago (??)

okay - that's my list! any of this true?? :waitasec:

[maureeng]

so... Fran's quote above got me thinking - so I made a list of ALL the murders, bodies, suicides, etc that have been posted on this thread - so at least we have a COMPLETE list...

1. Christie Cales - 1998
2. Steve - Monica's brother supposedly committed suicide when his sister (Monica) was dating her when still married to Vicki (wife #2)
3. Kathleen Savio - wife #3 - drowned in bathtub - 2004
4. A reporter named Erica is investigating Drew's connection to a missing persons case from the 1980's.
5. Jeffery Archer Boyfriend of Vicki - killed (murder never solved) - 1994
6. teenager who supposedly tried to committ suicide (he was involved in a drug deal that included a dirty cop) - family found this young man hanging in basement...
7. Aldis L. Tucker (post #41) - 1999
8. Robin Abrams - disappeared in 1990
9. Steve Maniaci Boyfriend of Kathleen (wife #3) - 2004
10. Stacy Peterson - wife $ disappeared without a trace
11. Tom Morphey - tries to commit suicide - 2007
12. Tom's wife disappeared 10 year ago (??)

okay - that's my list! any of this true?? :waitasec:

Ric Mims said that the story about Monika's brother is true and he (Ric) is now suspicious.

The Enquirer came up with the story of Vicki's boyfriend - I don't think it has been verified that it is Jeffrey Archer.

Tom Morphey's wife did disappear 10 years ago - I saw that reported in several news articles. Makes you wonder if that wasn't the reason he helped Drew with the alleged barrel?

Christie Cales did not know Drew according to Cassandra on her site.

I don't know the basis for the other things - people are looking up every missing/murdered person on the ISP site and asking questions, but so far I think those other crimes are based on speculation. That's all I know.

[maureeng]

The thing I'm not clear about is if the one truck driver is lying, but the other is telling the truth (he was allegedly stopped on the 16th by Drew), how did the lying truck driver happen to come up with the same story accidentally? Did he overhear something said by the truck driver of the 16th? A Hazmat truck brings things to areas where they would be totally destroyed - makes a person wonder.

[Wudge]

Great point! If Greta and team weren't on this 24/7 we may not know what we do. It is media vs. media getting the scoop and digging hard. LE is having to answer just to stay on the same page.

I haven't heard that Greta found hard evidence of a crime.

[donnam]

"Steve - Monica's brother supposedly committed suicide when his sister (Monica) was dating her when still married to Vicki (wife #2)"

This one really bothers me. I mean why on EARTH would someone kill themselves because their "sister" was having an affair with a married man?
Makes absolutely no sense to me at all.

[donnam]

The thing I'm not clear about is if the one truck driver is lying, but the other is telling the truth (he was allegedly stopped on the 16th by Drew), how did the lying truck driver happen to come up with the same story accidentally? Did he overhear something said by the truck driver of the 16th? A Hazmat truck brings things to areas where they would be totally destroyed - makes a person wonder.

Maybe the one trucker said something over the air, that some weirdo just asked him to haul a mystery package for him.

[SuziQ]

"Steve - Monica's brother supposedly committed suicide when his sister (Monica) was dating her when still married to Vicki (wife #2)"

This one really bothers me. I mean why on EARTH would someone kill themselves because their "sister" was having an affair with a married man?
Makes absolutely no sense to me at all.


If he did kill himself it was during, not necessaryily because of Drew and Monica's affair. In fact no one could figure out why he killed himself. No note, and no apparent problems, except for the ones Drew spoke about. Which Ric didn't believe because he had known Steve since they were kids and they all hung out together.

[Littledeer]

This one is definately a mystery!!! Strange. I agree with SuziQ, that a brother wouldn't commit suicide because his sister is having an affair with a married "neighbor cop".

More to this strangulation that just what we know now. Stacy first (this is HER thread) Kathleen next, and somehow all the rest will fall in place and poor DP will have more than life behind bars. (grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr). Lion roaring!!

[SieSie]

I took this from a poster - Linda - on Greta's blog - it's too funny not to share.

http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/2007/11/separated-at-bi.html
Thanks for the link, too funny! I blended the pictures, here it is:
http://i8.tinypic.com/6yzqqvc.jpg

[donnam]

If he did kill himself it was during, not necessaryily because of Drew and Monica's affair. In fact no one could figure out why he killed himself. No note, and no apparent problems, except for the ones Drew spoke about. Which Ric didn't believe because he had known Steve since they were kids and they all hung out together.
Oh I see. With so many different things/people in this case it is so hard to keep track LOL. So, no one said it was BECAUSE of it. Got ya

[SuziQ]

Oh I see. With so many different things/people in this case it is so hard to keep track LOL. So, no one said it was BECAUSE of it. Got ya

We need a cheat book or something. lol.

[maureeng]

:laugh: Thanks for the link, too funny! I blended the pictures, here it is:
http://i8.tinypic.com/6yzqqvc.jpg


omg, you just turned the cowardly lion into a creature from a horror film - great work.

[philamena]

SieSie,
You bad girl you.:p
bawaaaaa that is hilarious.:D
I will never be able to look at the Scarecrow the same way again.

[MrsBuckWeaver]

I didn't see this possibility listen on this thread:

From findstacy, an owner of a cable company --

Missing: John M Spira
http://www.johnspira.com/
FYI-I posted this due to Oakbrook connection. also owner of a cable company. There is a Richard Mims listed as the Rep for cable companies in Illinois. DP possibly wearing At+T jacket. Comcast/At+t stickers/magnets possibly observed in DP garage. Blue crates possibly from cable company. In addition to this guy missing/possible homicide etc...

His band, the Rabble Rousers, played at Bolingbrook venues. (for what its worth). One of his hobbies was also aviation.

[Camper]

I didn't see this possibility listen on this thread:

From findstacy, an owner of a cable company --

Missing: John M Spira
http://www.johnspira.com/
FYI-I posted this due to Oakbrook connection. also owner of a cable company. There is a Richard Mims listed as the Rep for cable companies in Illinois. DP possibly wearing At+T jacket. Comcast/At+t stickers/magnets possibly observed in DP garage. Blue crates possibly from cable company. In addition to this guy missing/possible homicide etc...

His band, the Rabble Rousers, played at Bolingbrook venues. (for what its worth). One of his hobbies was also aviation.



--->>>WOW, do you think this man was outed because of the purchase of the cable boxes by Mims and DP. somewhere in this forum it said that the two of them purchased three cable boxes. Could the purchase have been from this mans company and or sold by the murdered man?

IT seems like a BIG stretch to think this. DID Spira disappear and the building burn down to just COVER tracks of things to come on October 28, 2007??

Nooo, huh, er? Help me out here Ms. BW.

WE on the forum donut know what use these two guys had for both wanting theses cable boxes in the first place. Wonder what Mims has in his two boxes?

I seem to remember that Mims took two of the boxes and DP took just one of the three. Someone help me with my memory on that.

My first suspicion on missing man is that his EX wife who is now married to his business partner are in cahoots. They would have the most to gain imop.

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[curiositycat]

You woke up this morning
Got yourself a gun,
Mama always said you'd be
The Chosen One.

She said: You're one in a million
You've got to burn to shine,
But you were born under a bad sign,
With a blue moon in your eyes.

You woke up this morning
All the love has gone,
Your Papa never told you
About right and wrong.

But you're looking good, baby,
I believe you're feeling fine,(shame about it),
Born under a bad sign
With a blue moon in your eyes.

You woke up this morning
The world turned upside down,
Thing's ain't been the same
Since the Blues walked into town.

But you're one in a million
You've got that shotgun shine.
Born under a bad sign,
With a blue moon in your eyes.

Theme song for the made for TV Movie ROFL which could be called "Sopranos' the sequel"

[MrsBuckWeaver]

Who knows about the Cable company guy - just found it interesting on the findstacy site. Probably not Drew, but the more I see what a monster he is, the more I wouldn't put anything past him. Too many unexplained deaths and missing persons!

[SeriouslySearching]

Who knows about the Cable company guy - just found it interesting on the findstacy site. Probably not Drew, but the more I see what a monster he is, the more I wouldn't put anything past him. Too many unexplained deaths and missing persons!I believe this could be the same company that Drew and Ric worked for 4 years ago. If so...it is another connection back to DP and should be on the list even if they suspect the exwife. We are listing people DP actually knew or had interactions with who came up missing or dead...correct?!

[Camper]

Does anyone have the date that John Spira's ex wife married John's business partner?

Or the date the final estate was to be settled?

This is John's brothers link on the search for his brother John Spira, Stacy and Stebic.

http://www.johnspira.com/b2/

From this link:
"The second sign is down

October 29th, 2007

Just after I posted my last blog, I learned that someone, once again, has taken down the sign. This time it was dismantled and lying on the ground. It seems obvious to me that whomever is messing with the signs is also involved in John’s disappearance because who else but a cold blooded murderer could be so callous? The sign was located, like the first, directly across from and facing Universal Cable Construction Company. On both occasions we had permission from the property owner to post the signs. The first one had been up less than 48 hours before it disappeared around the same time John’s business burned down. If anyone has any information about this please call Detective Joe Delguidas at 630-407-2326. Stephanie"[/b]

Posted in Make

John Spira went missing Feb 23 2007

I do find it ODD that John Spira's business building burned down in the time frame of Stacys disappearance.

.

[Camper]

An afterthought, IF IF John was still missing, wouldn't that hold up any financial settlement OR?

Certainly someone would collect on a fire insurance policy, namely his ex wife OR OR who would benefit, OR would those funds be withheld as well?

.

[SuziQ]

Does anyone have the date that John Spira's ex wife married John's business partner?.

I keep hearing from different blogs that John's ex and his business partner were romantically involved. But I've never found it validated anywhere. I did find this below at Johns site. To me it sounds like John's business partner is still married to his wife, Donna, but his wife owns the cable company?

http://www.johnspira.com/b2/?p=39

Last night, September 16, 2007, the building in which John’s business, Universal Cable Construction, Inc., was located was burned down. The building is owned by John’s wife Suzanne and John’s business partner’s wife, Donna Stubben.

[SuziQ]

An afterthought, IF IF John was still missing, wouldn't that hold up any financial settlement OR?

Certainly someone would collect on a fire insurance policy, namely his ex wife OR OR who would benefit, OR would those funds be withheld as well?

.

John's disappearance would hold up everything having his name on it that required his signature or a death certificate. But Johns wife and Johns partners wife own the cable company. So the disappearance of John didn't solve the financial problem and for the near future created more. So his wife moves to plan B and burns the business down for money. JMO, of course.

[SeriouslySearching]

Supposedly, upon Kathleen's death, Drew gained financially even when she changed the beneficiaries to the children. He will also possibly gain on Stacy's disappearance should they not find enough evidence to try him or to find him guilty, imo. (I am willing to bet there is a life insurance policy on her, but even if not...he doesn't have to pay support, divide property, etc. which is also a huge gain.)

We also need to look into other fires, deaths, and insurance claims for big money during the past 20 years or so in and around BB.