Searching For Anna, Part 3

[Dr. Doogie]

Please continue the discussion here.

[Dr. Doogie]

When Annasmom posts the full reports, it will be explained fully, but they contain two surprises for me:

1) The analysis reinforces what most of us believe about the two Georges. Brody was a master manipulator with an extraordinary ability to convince someone to participate in activities that they would otherwise not want to be involved with. Also, Waters had a fundamental need for approval that made him highly susceptable to manipulation. The combination of these two personalities equates to gasoline and fire.

2) The analysis points toward a capacity for criminal activity that is far beyond what we had previously thought. The general consensus among those who investigated the two Georges was that they may have been weird enough to have abducted Anna, but they would have had to have convinced themselves that they were doing "good" in the process. If I am reading the new analysis correctly, they seem to have a higher capacity for evil than previously thought. They would certainly have been able to be involved from a personality standpoint.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Oh dear, I'm speechless. Well, not really. If what you're saying is what I think you're saying, then the "I'm glad the Tot is dead" statement has a lot of significance. My only problem with this scenario is Waters rush to stop child support. In following up with this master plan, wouldn't he/they think that would raise a few red flags? I'm very interested in reading the report.

[MagicRose99]

Oh dear, I'm speechless. Well, not really. If your saying what I think your saying, then the "I'm glad the Tot is dead" has a lot of significance. My only problem with this scenario is Waters rush to stop child support. In following up with this master plan, wouldn't he/they think that would raise a few red flags? I'm very interested in reading the report.

Not really... Not to me. He wanted to quit paying support all along... it's not surprising that's the first thing he wanted to do after Anna disappeared.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Not really... Not to me. He wanted to quit paying support all along... it's not surprising that's the first thing he wanted to do after Anna disappeared.

But if HE had something to do with her disappearance (as in death), why would he draw the attention to himself? Even if he always wanted to abandon payments, wouldn't you think he'd hang low for 4 or 5 months to bring it up? :waitasec:

They covered their tracks VERY WELL, this one slip up (motive) could have brought him/them down very quickly, if LE would have thoroughly investigated him/them.

[MagicRose99]

But if HE had something to do with her disappearance (as in death), why would he draw the attention to himself? Even if he always wanted to abandon payments, wouldn't you think he'd hang low for 4 or 5 months to bring it up? :waitasec:

They covered their tracks VERY WELL, this one slip up (motive) could have brought him/them down very quickly, if LE would have thoroughly investigated him/them.

I don't think that would have mattered to him... it's staying true to character. How would it draw attention to himself when he's been so adamant about not paying support all along?

[Annasmom]

I am posting parts of Peggy Walla's analysis of a sample of George Brody's handwriting. Peggy is a certified handwriting analyst, a licensed private investigator certified forensic document examiner and director of Forensic Science at www.CHAIworldwide.org. She has given permission to post this, but suggested posting only parts which I can personally validate, since the report is seven pages long, single-spaced. Peggy has contributed this valuable and fascinating information at no charge.

Handwriting suggest weak boundaries between conscious thought processes and unconscious drives and urges. The writer lacks integration and is incongruent in emotional or ideational processes. Letters indicate the writer's deficiency in handling situations with moral distinction or judgment, since the person operates in “the sphere outside the sphere in which moral distinctions or judgments apply” (Alfred Mendel, 1947).

Letters suggest corruption and a lack of morality. The writer may have little regard for laws or rules made by others, and can be a law unto self. He or she may, for example, strike out when a gesture of friendship is expected—a blow in place of a handshake (Mendel).

A serious disturbance in self-concept.
Extreme decisiveness and/or forcefulness. Brutality or cruelty. It may indicate a “hit first, ask questions later” impulsiveness. Pervasive characterological anger (conscious or unconscious) and may indicate a disturbed self-concept... Strokes are frequently found in the handwriting of people who like to use weapons, especially sharp instruments....

The writer has a short fuse and can fly off the handle at the least provocation. A pervasive characterological anger (conscious or unconscious) is suggested. A disturbance in the person’s self-concept.
Writing indicates fraudulent intentions, contrary, tricky, amoral, or who demonstrate active resistance to accepted and legal norms of behavior.
Suggests a loss of or lapse of consciousness, sometimes due to strong internal tension.

The writer may be excessively compulsive in behavior. Often there is a tendency toward over indulgence to relieve accumulated stress and tension. Impending explosion is suggested.
A lack of sensitivity to others’ feelings and may indicate a harsh, crude, and/or brutal individual...

Strong repression suggests that there may have been a long period of training in which deviation met with punishment. (Zmuda, 1986)
May indicate hidden aggression or sneaky, behind-the-scenes activities. The person has a beneath-the-surface, covert, subtle, indirect approach. Connote psychological understanding of unconscious motivations, which can be utilized either positively or negatively. It is sometimes seen in the writing of detectives, vice squad, spies, therapists, or criminals.

Unpleasant unconscious urges and desires affecting the individual's value or belief system and behavior. These urges and desires may not be expressed or acknowledged openly, and therefore actions are likely to be hidden and subversive. (Jeffrey Dahmer).

Thinking and morals may be distorted or strange. The writer may twist ideas or morals to fit his behavior or to justify his actions.. .
The writer will be inclined to act upon this distorted perception, considering his or her own needs first.
Prone to view the world and others in extremes rather than in normal proportions. Sees himself as very important. Tends to be an extremist and may greatly exaggerate issues. .. He or she may expect to be the center of attention, and usually is, either in a positive or negative way. The aim of thoughts and actions is to be recognized... May indicate megalomania.
Indicates very broad, expansive thinking and suggests poor boundaries, inner discipline or firm moral codes. The person can be susceptible to the influence of people or events. Control and self-discipline are lacking and impulsiveness, extravagance, and hedonism are suggested.

The writer has an orientation to the present rather than the past or the future; he deals best with the here and now. It also indicates a strong need for immediate gratification, as well as immaturity and a subjective view of the world. The writer may act now, think later.

A proneness to hypersensitivity which relates to a fluctuating self-image. Unstable responses and inner conflict are implied. The writer is easily affected by outside influences and may therefore be a “barometer” for the feelings of others. The writer will be unpredictable in the expression of his criminal behavior.

A verbally blunt person—someone who lacks tact. It points toward a lack of refined social skills and implies that the writer attempts to overcompensate for a basic feeling of inferiority. A tendency to suddenly lose control. The writer is apt to express his opinions strongly and may want to have the last word...

Indicates erratic responses to environmental influences. Suggests that the writer is ambivalent about interpersonal contact, that he or she is inconsistent and unorganized and lacks logic. The writer does not “have it together” and so may be unpredictable..

Moodiness. This suggests immaturity and labile, unpredictable reactions and behavior. The writer may fluctuate between conscious and subconscious material, or between fact and fantasy.

Variable moods which last for shorter or longer periods of time. Projects or endeavors are started with energy or enthusiasm which wanes quickly, or over a longer period of time. The writer may be bipolar manic depressive.
A resistance toward authority. The writer is alert to possible injustices by authority figures. May illustrate rebelliousness and the fear of losing one’s autonomy. The writer is often willing to break rules and part from tradition. A defiant attitude is sometimes exhibited by sudden and impulsive outbursts, and the writer may be viewed as being crude, uneducated, or antisocial.

Indicates embellishment of basic truth with idiosyncratic perceptions or outright deception. The person can be obsessional and/or untrustworthy. Possible psychotic thought processes. The writer may have intrusive thoughts and ideas that he/she perceives as coming from external sources. This causes tension and may have an effect on the person’s sanity...

Prone to acquisitiveness—a desire to possess, trivial desires. Might imply ambitious desires. Could be motivation for crime.
Illustrates a tendency towards social immaturity. The person may be torn between being soft or harsh. Can represent lack of sensitivity to other people’s feelings. Brutality is a possibility.

Indicates jealousy, the fear of rejection or loss of love. Afraid of losing relationships or things. Suspicious; sees other people as rivals and is therefore insecure and competitive. Guards possessions jealously due to fear of having them taken away. May be provoked to violence in an effort to guard what is his.

Strokes that have a decidedly forward thrust imply aggressiveness and/or initiative. Mental initiative is usually suggested. Physical aggressiveness is implied. Employs considerable energy in their activities, whether positive or negative...

Reticence. The writer may not be willing or able to verbally express thoughts and feelings. He or she generally prefers to keep personal matters concealed.

Suggests vanity, an overestimation of one’s own worth and abilities. The person expects praise and recognition, whether it has been earned or not, tends to think that rules do not apply to him, and may exhibit pomposity, grandiosity, or arrogance. He or she is defended, susceptible to flattery or criticism, and may criticize other people in order to look “better than.”

Accomplishments, efforts, work and the intentions to carry out one’s plans.
Indicates a dominating nature. The writer wants things done his or her way and expects others to help in carrying out plans and intentions. Indicates a domineering, demanding, controlling personality, the result of feelings of futility and powerlessness. The writer wants to be in control of most situations and may impose his will in a demanding way. He wants what he wants when he wants it.

The habit of exploding or reacting with temper when plans or goals are thwarted. The writer is irritable and impatient and wants to get on with things. He or she is apt to “fly off the handle” at the slightest provocation.
A person of strong will, someone who is purposeful and self-directed. The writer can be forceful and hard to stop. The possibility of danger—even brutality.

Suggests very high goals. The writer is prone to have a rich fantasy life in general, and especially where the future is concerned. He or she looks far ahead and may want to do something important or be someone special.
Unreachable or overly ambitious goals which may create frustration. The writer has very unrealistic goals...Enthusiasm and enjoyment of ideas and interests. Inner exuberance lends endurance to one’s will power, allowing him or her to influence others in either a positive or negative manner, depending on what the enthusiasm is about. The writer is likely to follow through with plans and intentions due to the momentum of the enthusiasm.

The writer is determined and self-directed. Once started, he or she has strong follow-through and does not wish to admit defeat. Energy is expressed in physical or practical accomplishments. The writer is “rooted” in the physical. The person can be determined in socially unacceptable areas.

Suggests unusually strong physical and/or material drives. There is a heavy focus on physical satisfactions, i.e. food, sex, and physical activity, or the person may be concerned with financial security. Emotional expression sexual fantasy more likely. A person who runs; goes too far and is unable to stop; hyperactivity is implied.

Indicates a tendency to exaggerate, distort ideas, or daydream, of strong imagery, an active imagination and a rich fantasy life. An overly active imagination can lead to great distortion. The writer may encompass too much in the imagination and end with nothing in reality. Check for delusional thinking.

The person's thoughts are confused and/or distorted. There are possible hallucinations and loss of contact with reality. Such writers may have unfounded religious ideas or fantasies which distort reality.

An unusual thinking style. Unique thinking can be a blessing or a curse. It may indicate talents and uniquely creative abilities OR pathological obsessions, the writer may be “crazy” or creative. The individual’s thinking, philosophy, and/or behavior may be altered to serve his or her own emotional needs.

Indicates manual dexterity and an ability to work with tools and implements. Sometimes found in the handwritings of killers who are deft at carrying out their murderous deeds.

Wavy lead-ins suggest an individual with humor and a generally positive attitude. This is an adult coping mechanism which implies that the writer makes use of humor to keep his or her attitude and surroundings light and positive.

[natasha-cupcake]

Wow, that is a ton of information! Annasmom, from what you personally knew of GB, does this sound like him? (I have to say that a lot of it fits my impression of what I thought the man would be like. But having no direct experience with him, my impression doesn't really mean anything.) I wonder also what joe ford thinks, since he spent so much time listening to Brody's rantings.

[Annasmom]

Wow, that is a ton of information! Annasmom, from what you personally knew of GB, does this sound like him? (I have to say that a lot of it fits my impression of what I thought the man would be like. But having no direct experience with him, my impression doesn't really mean anything.) I wonder also what joe ford thinks, since he spent so much time listening to Brody's rantings.
Yes, it is really an amazing portrait and fits with everything I observed about the man. Now if only handwriting could tell us his real name, where he came from, and whether or not he really had something to do with our case...

[Dr. Doogie]

Peggy Walla explained in a cover letter that each paragraph of the above post is based on a single letter, word or phrase. When you get several "indicators" that align, then you know that you are on the right track. I think she nailed to a "T".

[Joe Ford]

Wow, that is a ton of information! Annasmom, from what you personally knew of GB, does this sound like him? (I have to say that a lot of it fits my impression of what I thought the man would be like. But having no direct experience with him, my impression doesn't really mean anything.) I wonder also what joe ford thinks, since he spent so much time listening to Brody's rantings.

Truly amazing. From her insight into Brody's personality one would think that she had known and studied him for years. She is dead-on.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Did Peggy have any back ground information on Brody? I have to admit the report is not shocking, and very impressive. I'm interested in her technique. Did she come up with this all on a hand writing sample alone, with no description of Brody, or was she given a summary of Brody/Waters/Anna Missing first?

Please understand, I'm not doubting anything she wrote, (I totally agree based on my understanding of Brody), I'm just really curious how much she knew before she analyzed his hand writing.

[SherlockJr]

Did Peggy have any back ground information on Brody? I have to admit the report is not shocking, and very impressive. I'm interested in her technique. Did she come up with this all on a hand writing sample alone, with no description of Brody, or was she given a summary of Brody/Waters/Anna Missing first?

Please understand, I'm not doubting anything she wrote, (I totally agree based on my understanding of Brody), I'm just really curious how much she knew before she analyzed his hand writing.

iW, this is what I wrote to Peggy requesting the analysis....

Dear Peggy,
I am a volunteer helping the family of Michaele Benedict search for her daughter, Anna Christian Waters, who went missing in 1973 at the age of 5. Anna's parents divorced in 1969. When her father (George Waters) moved away from the home he was living in a couple tenderloin hotels with an elderly man. Her father was a physician in San Francisco until his suicide in Jan 1982. After his death, the Waters family had given Michaele all paperwork left in the hotel room in hopes there may be a clue to her daughters whereabouts.
There were hundreds of insurance policies, usually insuring Dr Waters with the elderly man as beneficiary. There were copies of child support checks written before her disappearance and he referenced Anna as A.C.E. (Anna Christian Eifee). The Eifee name was added to her birth certificate within weeks of her birth at the request of the elderly friend of Dr. Waters. I have attached a note that was found in the box of papers which appear to be written prior to Anna's disappearance (Jan 16). This note, we believe, is about purchasing an insurance policy with Anna as beneficiary then possibly changing the beneficiary.

Peggy sent me an e-mail asking an approximate age for GB. Then I received another e-mail with about 20 questions she had.

[Annasmom]

Here are pertinent excerpts from Peggy Walla's analysis. You will notice some similarities with the analysis of George Brody's handwriting, since possibly the same indicators are there.

Weak boundaries between conscious thought processes and unconscious drives and urges.

Physical or mental breakdown and is often a reflection of active psychosis. The writer’s thoughts and/or emotions are fragmented or disconnected. Possible impending psychosis.


Anger, hostility, irritability and frustration. Easily lose one’s temper. The writer has a short fuse and can fly off the handle at the least provocation.
Inner tension, irritability, and temper. Ruminating or obsessional thinking associated with excessive emotional focus...

A state of high tension and internal pressure. The individual may be unusually reactive to all environmental stimuli, deeply absorbing all emotional experiences... The writer is “carrying a heavy load.”

Indicates inappropriate release and utilization of mental, emotional, and/or physical energies. The personality tends to be lacking in resilience and elasticity, since the upstroke suggests a forced expression of energies. ..

Erratic impulses and uncontrolled emotional responses and urges. Sudden bursts of energy (often sexual) occur according to the preponderance of pressure fluctuation. The writer is apt to be emotionally labile, sometimes nervous. Check for health problems, such as physical exhaustion, emotional problems, and possible psychosis.

Compulsive and uncontrollable indulgence in sensual and libidinal urges, and the possibility of an impending explosion (inner or outer). Intrusive thoughts are affecting the writing form. Emotional blocks. Check for physical illness. If no physical illness is present, dangerousness may well be indicated.

An attempt to cover up or to correct what's already been done. The writer is a fixer or perfectionist, someone who finds it difficult to be satisfied with things as they are. May show a paranoid smoke screen. Guilt is suggested.

Fraudulent intentions. Persons who are contrary, tricky, amoral, or who demonstrate active resistance to accepted and legal norms of behavior.
Suggests a loss of or lapse of consciousness, sometimes due to strong internal tension. The writer may be excessively compulsive in behavior. Look for seizure state or equivalent. Often there is a tendency toward over indulgence to relieve accumulated stress and tension. Impending explosion is suggested.

May indicate hidden aggression or sneaky, behind-the-scenes activities. The person has a beneath-the-surface, covert, subtle, indirect approach. Psychological understanding of unconscious motivations, which can be utilized either positively or negatively. It is sometimes seen in the writing of detectives, vice squad, spies, therapists, or criminals.

Unpleasant unconscious urges and desires affecting the individual's value or belief system and behavior. These urges and desires may not be expressed or acknowledged openly, and therefore actions are likely to be hidden and subversive.

Poor thinking patterns. This may indicate confusion or evasiveness regarding everyday situations. Unrealistic thinking and that the writer does not deal well with personal problems.
Odd or twisted thinking. Can indicate unique or creative thinking. A distorted perception of other people’s rights. The writer will be inclined to act upon this distorted perception, considering his or her own needs first.
Distortions of one’s personal value system. This may include ideas, morals, beliefs, appearance, or general lifestyle. Non-conformist or defiant individuality.

Proneness to hypersensitivity which relates to a fluctuating self-image. Unstable responses and inner conflict are implied. The writer is easily affected by outside influences and may therefore be a “barometer” for the feelings of others. The person will be unpredictable in the expression of his criminal behavior.

The writer’s integrity is at stake. Psychosis is possible.
Indicates immediate and intense emotional responses to outer stimuli, the expression of which may be expressed or controlled depending on other features in the personality. Emotional biases. The person has a tendency to “run away with himself” and is inclined to act impulsively or volcanically. He is capable of being ardent and passionate as well as hysterical. Generally the writer is strongly “cause-oriented.” This sign is likely to facilitate dangerousness because of a tendency for sudden physical or mental action and because it suggests a dissatisfaction with the status quo. May signify emotional dependency.

Implies a person with an erratic emotional nature, one who is subject to the mood of the moment. He or she is easily excitable and unpredictable; behavior may be erratic. Connotes identification problems (conflict between mother-father/male-female roles). Values and self-image are affected by this conflict as the person is pulled in many directions at once.
Erratic responses to environmental influences. Suggests that the writer is ambivalent about interpersonal contact, that he or she is inconsistent and unorganized and lacks logic. The writer does not “have it together” and so may be unpredictable

Irregular baselines indicate moodiness. This suggests immaturity and labile, unpredictable reactions and behavior.
Variable moods which last for shorter or longer periods of time. Projects or endeavors are started with energy or enthusiasm which wanes quickly, or over a longer period of time. The writer may be bipolar manic depressive.
Simplified, direct approach in speech, action, manners, dress, or taste.

Jealousy, the fear of rejection or loss of love. Afraid of losing relationships or things. Suspicious; sees other people as rivals and is therefore insecure and competitive. Guards possessions jealously due to fear of having them taken away. May be provoked to violence in an effort to guard what is his.
Proneness to rush ahead due to difficulty controlling one’s impulses. Once started on a path of action the person tends to become driven or propelled ahead. The person’s mental or emotional brakes are not working properly.

Self-deception or self-denial. The writer can sometimes be manipulative and lacking in clear communication. He may also rationalize, believing only what he wants to believe and ignoring the facts. Lack of perception of the truth. Paranoia is implied. Unclear or deceptive communication.

Fragile self-esteem which requires a defensive posture. Indicates the possibility of sudden emotional outbursts or other strong reactions to perceived threats to the writer’s self-esteem. The person is touchy and may be over-reactive.

Fear of criticism regarding lifestyle, dress, family, customary behavior, etc. There is a tendency to be “thin-skinned”—to imagine disapproval and to magnify criticism, an attitude that comes from guilt feelings. May think people are talking about him, which creates social anxiety. The feelings of guilt may be quite strong, indicating paranoia and the writer may view the present through all the past “tapes” of criticism that continue to be played.
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Indicates a tendency to exaggerate, distort ideas, or daydream. This sign is suggestive of strong imagery, an active imagination and a rich fantasy life. An overly active imagination can lead to great distortion and, if associated with negative traits, can add to the possibility of dangerousness.

Lack of contact with inner feelings. Does not allow self to be influenced by inner feelings and can therefore be quite objective. Tends to feel isolated from others.

Self-control dominates and that the person may be isolated from his or her emotions and from other people. Lack of spontaneity. Thinking and objectivity predominate over feeling. It also suggests loneliness and a need for space. In extreme cases the writer may fear insanity.

Helpfulness, receptiveness, nurturing qualities, and (sometimes) gullibility.
Psychological insight, an ability to understand and (usually) influence others on a subtle level. The writer uses tact and discretion and works toward peaceful solutions. Difficulty being confrontive and a tendency to avoid issues.

Generosity, a willingness to give or to share that which the person feels to be valuable. They also suggest that the writer may be service-oriented, and that he or she wants to be fair. Some consideration for others.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Here are pertinent excerpts from Peggy Walla's analysis....snip
Helpfulness, receptiveness, nurturing qualities, and (sometimes) gullibility.
Psychological insight, an ability to understand and (usually) influence others on a subtle level. The writer uses tact and discretion and works toward peaceful solutions. Difficulty being confrontive and a tendency to avoid issues.

Generosity, a willingness to give or to share that which the person feels to be valuable. They also suggest that the writer may be service-oriented, and that he or she wants to be fair. Some consideration for others.


At least she did have something positive to say about Waters. The highlighted area gives me hope that if Brody had a (bad)plan for Anna, that Waters may have had the ability to influenced him into a peaceful solution.

[Dr. Doogie]

I have been out of touch for the last week, but am back and ready to jump right in.

I have made contact with a gentleman who is looking for a "George Brody from California" whom he served with during the Korean War. IF Brody were to be the age that he said he was, that would have made him 25 years old at the start of the war (which fits). I am sending this man pictures of Brody to confirm that it is the same man. I am not optimistic that the two Brody's are the same guy, but will let you know the outcome.

I have been thinking about some analysis that I have seen recently here that why would the two Georges, who were so careful to not draw attention to themselves, get involved in a kidnapping that would undoubtedly focus suspicion on them? It dawned on me that Brody, as demonstrated by his over-the-top praising of anyone who he wanted something from, believed that he was smarter than everyone else. I can see his ego letting him believe that he could talk his way out of anything. Little did he know that his language fooled no one and only made him look like a cheap conman (which he was).

[SherlockJr]

Well, since I changed my work schedule again, I've got way too much time on my hands...

http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=9618372446 (http://www.elfyourself.com/?id=9618372446)

This might take 3-4 minutes to load even with high speed internet.

[Annasmom]

Today I received a letter from a former neighbor in Purisima Canyon who gives her personal memories of the day Anna disappeared, along with notes and observations of a member of her family who is a trial lawyer. This friend writes that the lawyer "was very interested, and completely appalled that none of the neighbors and others who knew you and Anna were ever interviewed by the sheriff's office." "I can confirm that," the friend writes. "Nobody ever came to interview me."

The friend relates quite a number of things of which I was not aware concerning the day Anna disappeared, and I am awaiting her permission to post these. The friend was alerted (by the other neighbor on horseback, the one who heard rustling in the bushes near the creek and thought 'someone had stolen something') that Anna was missing even before the sheriff's people arrived. Although the friend was laid up with a sprained ankle, she climbed a hill "high enough to see pretty nearly every point above the creek between my house and your farm...I could see nothing moving in all that part of the landscape."

"I remember all the forlorn searches of the creek that spring and fall, and the growing certainty that someone had taken Anna," she writes.

The friend says she has read all the on-line material about the search for Anna. She says "I doubt if anything I have to say will be very helpful, but I'm sending this along because I remember an absolutely magical child whose disappearance has never been far from my mind. I hope that some of that magic will be around when you publish."

If she agrees, I will post her descriptions and impressions of the search, since it both confirms and adds to much of what we have learned the past two years.

[mfmangel1]

Today I received a letter from a former neighbor in Purisima Canyon who gives her personal memories of the day Anna disappeared, along with notes and observations of a member of her family who is a trial lawyer. This friend writes that the lawyer "was very interested, and completely appalled that none of the neighbors and others who knew you and Anna were ever interviewed by the sheriff's office." "I can confirm that," the friend writes. "Nobody ever came to interview me."

The friend relates quite a number of things of which I was not aware concerning the day Anna disappeared, and I am awaiting her permission to post these. The friend was alerted (by the other neighbor on horseback, the one who heard rustling in the bushes near the creek and thought 'someone had stolen something') that Anna was missing even before the sheriff's people arrived. Although the friend was laid up with a sprained ankle, she climbed a hill "high enough to see pretty nearly every point above the creek between my house and your farm...I could see nothing moving in all that part of the landscape."

"I remember all the forlorn searches of the creek that spring and fall, and the growing certainty that someone had taken Anna," she writes.

The friend says she has read all the on-line material about the search for Anna. She says "I doubt if anything I have to say will be very helpful, but I'm sending this along because I remember an absolutely magical child whose disappearance has never been far from my mind. I hope that some of that magic will be around when you publish."



If she agrees, I will post her descriptions and impressions of the search, since it both confirms and adds to much of what we have learned the past two years.


Happy New Year to you, Annasmom and all fellow Websleuthers.

How wonderful to receive this letter from your former neighbor.


Once again, someone states why we are all here...Even if we are reduced to just reading and thinking it through.

[SherlockJr]

How wonderful to receive this letter from your former neighbor. She is, indeed, magical. Once again, someone states why we are all here...Even if we are reduced to just reading and thinking it through.

I want to thank the neighbor who took the time to write a letter to Annasmom. Even if you thought there was nothing new to contribute to the search for Anna, we're glad you're here at least reading. I found it pretty interesting that no policeman came knocking on the nearby doors that day or the days following Anna's disappearance.

[mfmangel1]

I want to thank the neighbor who took the time to write a letter to Annasmom. Even if you thought there was nothing new to contribute to the search for Anna, we're glad you're here at least reading. I found it pretty interesting that no policeman came knocking on the nearby doors that day or the days following Anna's disappearance.

SherlockJr, I couldn't believe that either.

Why wouldn't that be considered a routine interview in an investigation, especially of this nature? This is a close neighbor to the victim, close to the aleged scene of the crime and knows the family.

It truly makes you wonder about the depth of the investigation, but I try to remind myself of the time era and that LE was not necessarily well trained in this type of crime. However, interviews seem like a no-brainer.

[Annasmom]

SherlockJr, I couldn't believe that either.

Why wouldn't that be considered a routine interview in an investigation, especially of this nature? This is a close neighbor to the victim, close to the aleged scene of the crime and knows the family.

It truly makes you wonder about the depth of the investigation, but I try to remind myself of the time era and that LE was not necessarily well trained in this type of crime. However, interviews seem like a no-brainer.
mfangel1, did you get my PM?

[mfmangel1]

Happy New Year to you, Annasmom and all fellow Websleuthers.

How wonderful to receive this letter from your former neighbor.

I was truly touched to read of Anna's namesakes. She is, indeed, magical.
Once again, someone states why we are all here...Even if we are reduced to just reading and thinking it through.


Quote:
Originally Posted by mfmangel1 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1889764#post1889764)
Happy New Year to you, Annasmom and all fellow Websleuthers.

How wonderful to receive this letter from your former neighbor.

I was truly touched to read of that she fuond Anna to be magical just as we do. Once again, someone states why we are all here...Even if we are reduced to just reading and thinking it through.



Edited: per request: 1/6/08 :blushing:

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfmangel1 [] (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1889764#post1889764)
Happy New Year to you, Annasmom and all fellow Websleuthers.

How wonderful to receive this letter from your former neighbor.


Edited: per request: 1/6/08 :blushing:

You need to contact the moderator of this thread and have them edit or delete the post in question...you only have so many days to edit.

[mfmangel1]

You need to contact the moderator of this thread and have them edit or delete the post in question...you only have so many days to edit.


You need to contact the moderator of this thread and have them edit or delete the post in question...you only have so many days to edit.

I have corrected my previous to delete the names if you read of them.

I was merely following Annasmoms's lead when she meantioned the two girls of the in the neighbors' own family. I found it to extremely moving when Annamoms named many names in her book ar the time. She is is an incredibily brave woman to do so. I f she is naming people in the book, I assume that we at Websleuths will know the names just have we we have befure when have gone searching for many names for birth dates, marriages, dates, dates of death, where reside and children.

[Annasmom]

I want to thank Animal, mfangel1 and iNTERESTED WOMAN for editing some information I posted before I received the source's request not to use it. The former neighbor (I will call her Polly) had not previously responded to Doogie's and my request for information from people who were nearby the day Anna disappeared, since she has moved a number of times and says "it always takes me a very long time to really mull things over and think about what, if anything, I have to contribute."

Polly begins: "Nothing that follows will materially add to the narrative, but may confirm some things for you, and perhaps allow your thinking to take a new direction."

"The Sunday before Anna disappeared I...sprained my ankle badly...that afternoon (Jan. 16, 1973) I had stayed home from work and was in bed...C. came to the front door and I heard her talking to my friend...I caught some words 'little girl - missing - Anna.'

"I leapt out of bed and came to the door to talk to C. myself. She gave me a quick report. She said she was searching along the north side of the creek with her horse. (My friend) and her daughters started east on our side of the creek, calling Anna's name. I laced myself into my hiking boots, crossed my bridge over the creek, and started east along the south side of the creek, also calling for Anna. At that point, I didn't even think about the possibility that Anna had fallen in--I believe I assumed that she had lived in its presence long enough to have respect for it, and I considered Anna to be a very sensible child. I did think it possible that she had wandered into the hills beyond the creek for some reason, and had gotten confused about how to get home. I remember being unable to move very far along the creek, not so much because it was high as because of the steep hill that rose directly behind it on our ranch.

"I climbed the hill high enough to see pretty nearly every point above the creek between my house and your farm, although the creek itself was mostly obscured by willows and brush. I could see nothing moving in all that part of the landscape. While I was up there, I think I remember seeing the sheriff cars arriving, and I started back, thinking there would be some sort of organized search and that I'd better come down to your place to help. I drove down to your house, but all the neighbors seemed to be milling around not knowing what to do, and the sheriff's people and everybody else were concentrating on the creek."

(To be continued)

[Cubby]

I didn't even think about the possibility that Anna had fallen in--I believe I assumed that she had lived in its presence long enough to have respect for it, and I considered Anna to be a very sensible child. I did think it possible that she had wandered into the hills beyond the creek for some reason, and had gotten confused about how to get home. I remember being unable to move very far along the creek, not so much because it was high as because of the steep hill that rose directly behind it on our ranch.

"I climbed the hill high enough to see pretty nearly every point above the creek between my house and your farm, although the creek itself was mostly obscured by willows and brush. I could see nothing moving in all that part of the landscape."

(To be continued)

Wow. This is quite interesting and I don't believe this theory has been presented. Thank your friend for us please Anna's mom. This was very kind of her to offer. I realize she indicated that she did not see anything moving along the landscape. this makes me wonder if that is possible and perhaps Anna reacted the same way a child in a fire might, and to hide?

Is it possible Anna wandered off in such heavy brush and being so small one would not see movement? Perhaps she wandered so far being lost that she heard the sirens but no one heard her?

I hate to think that... but the possibility arises.

Could you explain again how much of an area was searched and what the landscape described entailed?

[Annasmom]

Wow. This is quite interesting and I don't believe this theory has been presented. Thank your friend for us please Anna's mom. This was very kind of her to offer. I realize she indicated that she did not see anything moving along the landscape. this makes me wonder if that is possible and perhaps Anna reacted the same way a child in a fire might, and to hide?

Is it possible Anna wandered off in such heavy brush and being so small one would not see movement? Perhaps she wandered so far being lost that she heard the sirens but no one heard her?

I hate to think that... but the possibility arises.

Could you explain again how much of an area was searched and what the landscape described entailed?

I think I'll continue with "Polly's" account and see if that answers some of the questions. She continues her description of Jan. 16, 1973:

"I remember hearing the rooster story already that early from somebody in the group, and because the 'pet rooster' theory sounded so plausible, being overcome with grief and despair. As the afternoon wore on my ankle started to swell,and I realized that I couldn't help search the creek, and in a ground search I would be more trouble than I was worth, so I went home."

(She tells about making something like 50 bologna and cheese sandwiches and taking them back to the search scene.)

"I came down the next day hoping to be useful. Your friend...saw me limping around, and insisted on having a look at my ankle...he sent me off to the Stanford Hospital emergency room, and they gave me some crutches and strict orders not to walk around any more. I remember very little of the search after that--I stayed home for another day, and I think I came and sat with the group waiting in your house in a terrible state of hope and dread for the divers to finish, but I had to go back to work eventually. Sometime during the early days I remember you (and other family members) wondering out loud if Anna's father could have taken her--this in connection with the white van--but I also remember that at that point everybody was intensely focused on the creek.

"In the weeks that followed I remember the speculation growing about the two Georges, especially George Brody and I remember, perhaps inaccurately, that the description of the van's occupants had been a young man and an older man with long white hair and a beard."

(To be continued)

[Annasmom]

"...we were all so worked up about the tickets that mysteriously arrived for 'Midsummer Night's Dream', so sure somehow that these were from the abductor, possible as part of some crazy paranoid scheme by George Waters that could spell danger for you, that we bought tickets a row behind you so we could protect you from whatever might come. Then a day or so before the performance your friends mentioned that they had sent the tickets to cheer you up, so we all went to the performance, trying to be cheered up, but deeply disappointed that there was no connection to Anna. I remember all the forlorn searches of the creek that spring and fall, and the growing certainty that someone had taken Anna."

A Prosecutor's Perspective

"When I read your narrative, almost the first thing that struck me was how long it took officialdom to even consider the possibility that Anna had not drowned but had been taken by someone, and how little they seem to have done to follow up on that. The rooster story became part of their calculations and remained so until they were forced by Joe's careful reconstruction and the absolute lack of evidence in the creek to give up the notion that she had gone into the creek. By the time they (reluctantly it seems) came to accept the abduction theory, they seem to have decided the case was too cold to devote much time to it."

("Polly" consults with a trial lawyer who has experience with abductions):

"She was very interested, and completely appalled that none of the neighbors and others who knew you and Anna were ever interviewed by the sheriff's office [I can confirm that--nobody ever came to interview me]. In addition to the fact that neighbors and friends are frequently involved in such cases, she said that everybody on Purisima Creek Road should have been extensively interviewed because without realizing it, somebody might have seen something that could have been important.

"It is, of course probably way too late, but it's always possible that somebody along the road may have noticed something odd that day, and dismissed it as 'probably not important'. People often remember small incidents many years later, so perhaps it would be worth tracking everybody down one more time to see what they remember. I know that you have left flyers, but perhaps one more effort [preferably by somebody trained in investigations] to interview directly everybody you can find would be useful."

(Prosecutor's suggestions continue in next post.)

[Dr. Doogie]

Just a quick interjection here in the middle of Annasmom's posts:

My internet access at work has been extremely restricted - it seems some people were spending way to much time looking for missing children (hmm, I wonder who that could have been?). As a result, I have been AWOL for several days. I have just installed high speed internet at home and am back in the hunt. Thanks for everyone's patience and understanding.

[MagicRose99]

Just a quick interjection here in the middle of Annasmom's posts:

My internet access at work has been extremely restricted - it seems some people were spending way to much time looking for missing children (hmm, I wonder who that could have been?). As a result, I have been AWOL for several days. I have just installed high speed internet at home and am back in the hunt. Thanks for everyone's patience and understanding.

Ah, "big brother" is at it again! LOL! It's the same with my company... but, being an IT tech we have our priveledges that allow us a little more freedom than the average little peon... :D

[laini]

Annasmom, Thank you for sharing this latest information / your correspondence with your neighbor with us here. I am also looking forward to your book being finished. I don't post much because I just don't have much to add, but always read here and think of you and Anna.

[Annasmom]

"1. The best people for investigations of very old cases of this sort are cold case units or retired detectives willing to work for a fixed fee...
"2. Focus on what could have drawn Anna out of the house or the yard. Despite the dog handler's reservations, (the prosecutor) says that the tracking dogs are usually extremely reliable, even several rainy days later, and the path they traced probably more significant than anybody thinks. Could somebody Anna knew have been waving at her down by the creek, enticing her out of the yard?
"3. Focus on school, community--the creek and the crazy father might have been too much of a distraction. (The prosecutor) says school bus drivers, teachers and acquaintances frequently figure in these cases. Anna was beautiful, charismatic and gregarious, and had recently figured in an amateur theatrical that attracted a lot of attention. Did anyone suddenly leave the school, either an employee or a student's family around that time?"

The above is a direct quote from my friend, whom I am calling "Polly" in this post. She and the lawyer had other suggestions which we have tried to no avail (such as having DNA extracted from Anna's possessions. I gave up three little pairs of shoes with some reluctance, but the labs were not able to get anything from them.)

One thing I have become aware of recently is the personal impact Anna's case has made on my friends and their families. Many of them have for years been very fearful for their own children because we have not been able to find answers to Anna's disappearance. This is, of course, something they would not want to tell me about directly, but I am now beginning to see this secondary shock wave very clearly.

I am deeply appreciative to "Polly" and her expert for her observations and suggestions.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

:eek: ...snip..."In the weeks that followed I remember the speculation growing about the two Georges, especially George Brody and I remember, perhaps inaccurately, that the description of the van's occupants had been a young man and an older man with long white hair and a beard."

(To be continued)


I realize "polly" said this might be inaccurate, but I do find it interesting. I wonder if Brody had any wigs in his personal effects.

Matter of fact, what happened to all of Brody's clothing and other possessions after he died? Did Waters get rid of everything before his own death? Was there anything of his left in the hotel room(s) Tooth brush, razor, nail clippers? (I'm really starting to think Brody's death was faked. :eek: )

Also, the Van. Is there anyway to trace back and see if Evelyn Wanek might have owned a White Van? Personal property tax records or something? If she did home visits with her colonic irrigation table, she would have had to have a van or a truck to carry a portable device wouldn't she? :silenced:

[Annasmom]

:eek:


I realize "polly" said this might be inaccurate, but I do find it interesting. I wonder if Brody had any wigs in his personal effects.

Matter of fact, what happened to all of Brody's clothing and other possessions after he died? Did Waters get rid of everything before his own death? Was there anything of his left in the hotel room(s) Tooth brush, razor, nail clippers? (I'm really starting to think Brody's death was faked. :eek: )

Also, the Van. Is there anyway to trace back and see if Evelyn Wanek might have owned a White Van? Personal property tax records or something? If she did home visits with her colonic irrigation table, she would have had to have a van or a truck to carry a portable device wouldn't she? :silenced:

Some if not all of Brody's things were cleared out after GW died. GW's brother gave some to the hotel desk clerk and others to charities. The clerk mentioned lots and lots of hats. The thing which argues against Brody's death being faked is at least one hospital admission and many evidences of non-traditional cancer therapies.

I forget exactly where we stand with Evelyn Wanek. Didn't we think we had found her daughter?

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

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quote=Annasmom;1900954]Some if not all of Brody's things were cleared out after GW died. GW's brother gave some to the hotel desk clerk and others to charities. The clerk mentioned lots and lots of hats. The thing which argues against Brody's death being faked is at least one hospital admission and many evidences of non-traditional cancer therapies.



Okay, That's good to know. I watch to much court TV :)


I forget exactly where we stand with Evelyn Wanek. Didn't we think we had found her daughter?
[/QUOTE]

Evelyn, as far as I have found, (maybe others have found more) never married, and never had children. She did have 2 sisters. One for sure had 2 children, (a girl and a boy, but the boy died many years ago. If I remember correctly he was in his early 30's). The girl is a person of interest and I think Dr. Doogie has all the info on a possible relative of hers that is in the same age range as Anna. The other sister is still unaccounted for, (again, others might have found more).

[Annasmom]

Wow. This is quite interesting and I don't believe this theory has been presented. Thank your friend for us please Anna's mom. This was very kind of her to offer. I realize she indicated that she did not see anything moving along the landscape. this makes me wonder if that is possible and perhaps Anna reacted the same way a child in a fire might, and to hide?

Is it possible Anna wandered off in such heavy brush and being so small one would not see movement? Perhaps she wandered so far being lost that she heard the sirens but no one heard her?

I hate to think that... but the possibility arises.

Could you explain again how much of an area was searched and what the landscape described entailed?
Cubby, I have been meaning to get back to your questions, but I wanted to post most of "Polly's" letter first. I think her remark about the tracking dogs is especially interesting. I am attaching a drawing which shows where Anna was last seen by Craig Barrick, as well as I can tell from his description. This entire area was searched again and again and I really think it is impossible that she could have been missed.
(Sorry..the server stopped responding. I'll try to attach the drawing later.)

[Annasmom]

Trying again to attach the drawing.

[Cubby]

Thanks Annas mom. I remember when CB shared this information. It doesn't sound logical, but I thought maybe Anna wandered into some forest and was trying to get a visual. However, that means she would have had to cross the creek right? and if I recall the creek was so high it was impassible over the bridge.

I'm sorry to bring up something that is so difficult to think about, especially now....

I'm so frustrated at times for answers with this case, I often go to sleep praying or asking God for some dream, direction or vision. I'm also frustrated being so far away, that I don't have easy access to old ca records that might need to be found in person.

We need to really retrace steps again based on what the prosecutor suggested.

Prayers 08 is the year we find Anna.

[Kelly]

My thoughts and prayers are with Anna's family, especially today, 35 years after her disappearance.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Blessings to Anna and her family on this sad day in their family history. By this time next year, let us be rejoicing. I have faith the answers will come soon.

[Annasmom]

Blessings to Anna and her family on this sad day in their family history. By this time next year, let us be rejoicing. I have faith the answers will come soon.
Thank you so much.

[Gina_M]

Anna's family, my thoughts are always with you, and especially today on the 35th anniversary of Anna's disappearance.

[SherlockJr]

I received an e-mail thru the sfa website a couple weeks ago from a person who reads the forum. This person informed me of a 39 y/o woman who resembles the age progression who has been a family friend for some time. Further investigating on the informants part, ruled out this woman as being Anna. My point for posting this is to bring out the fact that not only members here looking for Anna, but our readers are also.

[Gina_M]

I am currently moving across the country, driving my car with my Searching For Anna bumper sticker on the rear bumper. By the end of the week, it will have been seen in 10 different states. I hope it piques someone's curiosity and they come check out the website!

[Annasmom]

I am currently moving across the country, driving my car with my Searching For Anna bumper sticker on the rear bumper. By the end of the week, it will have been seen in 10 different states. I hope it piques someone's curiosity and they come check out the website! Gina, I hope you had a safe journey and that you're settling in. It's so odd to me that nobody here EVER mentions the bumper sticker, though I park all over town and I know they have seen it. I guess people just don't know what to say to me, but it makes me feel strange (and estranged).

[itsreenw]

Gina, I hope you had a safe journey and that you're settling in. It's so odd to me that nobody here EVER mentions the bumper sticker, though I park all over town and I know they have seen it. I guess people just don't know what to say to me, but it makes me feel strange (and estranged).
Annasmom, don't feel strange. The most important thing is that they've seen it. That just may trigger something in someone's memory and that's what we want.

[Cubby]

"1. The best people for investigations of very old cases of this sort are cold case units or retired detectives willing to work for a fixed fee...
"2. Focus on what could have drawn Anna out of the house or the yard. Despite the dog handler's reservations, (the prosecutor) says that the tracking dogs are usually extremely reliable, even several rainy days later, and the path they traced probably more significant than anybody thinks. Could somebody Anna knew have been waving at her down by the creek, enticing her out of the yard?
"3. Focus on school, community--the creek and the crazy father might have been too much of a distraction. (The prosecutor) says school bus drivers, teachers and acquaintances frequently figure in these cases. Anna was beautiful, charismatic and gregarious, and had recently figured in an amateur theatrical that attracted a lot of attention. Did anyone suddenly leave the school, either an employee or a student's family around that time?"

The above is a direct quote from my friend, whom I am calling "Polly" in this post. She and the lawyer had other suggestions which we have tried to no avail (such as having DNA extracted from Anna's possessions. I gave up three little pairs of shoes with some reluctance, but the labs were not able to get anything from them.)

One thing I have become aware of recently is the personal impact Anna's case has made on my friends and their families. Many of them have for years been very fearful for their own children because we have not been able to find answers to Anna's disappearance. This is, of course, something they would not want to tell me about directly, but I am now beginning to see this secondary shock wave very clearly.

I am deeply appreciative to "Polly" and her expert for her observations and suggestions.


Since finishing the searching for Anna book, several questions and things have come back to mind, at least for me and some possible unanswered questions that I may have missed. I've spent some time reading some old posts too, to refresh my memory on what has been done.

Based on the prosecutors suggestions, a few things have come to me. I've always wondered why someone would choose a rainy Tuesday to abduct Anna. Then I thought maybe it was someone who knew you, or of you and just enough of your daily routine they would have known you were with Anna at school on Mondays and were unsure if Joe Ford would have worked a full day or not with the weather. The white van got me thinking about contractors/construction workers. Many are typically in a white van. It was a rainy day, trades people were off work who were working in the immediate area. Did Mickles have work going on around the farm in the days or weeks just prior to Anna going missing? Did any of the neighbors or anyone in the immediate area? Perhaps individual names may not be recalled from that long ago, but maybe a name or company name could. Maybe someone who walked off the job before the project was finished? Perhaps searching for a news article with the company name or person with some old criminal history might be worth investigating. I'm not sure if anyone had considered that angle. Might be worth contacting or writing Mickles...... he was overseeing any construction at that time.

The two horsemen who helped with the search. Are you still in contact with them Annasmom? I wonder if they might recall some contact people or names, associations with members of the horse club and possibly the motorcycle club. Anyone disappear unexplained about that time?

Along the same lines as a possible contractor/construction worker angle, anything unusual happen to any family, friends or acquantainces of anyone in your immediate circle or Anna's peers. Maybe someone she had a play date with in the days or weeks prior to going missing? An acquaintance, friend, family member of anyone she was in contact with? any one with "troubles" that maybe they felt uncomfortable with or uneasy about but dismissed as being related to Anna? Maybe something a little hush hush but gossiped among locals?

I also can't get it out of my mind that Anna was so close to the front gate and guest parking when she was last seen. How was Anna with guests? Where these visitors friends that she saw regularly and knew as family friends? Was the activity with the number of visitors that day somewhat usual? Something is telling me perhaps just after the last visitor arrived, someone else pulled near the guest parking or an area not seen from the house and Anna mistakingly greeted them as another visitor. Which would lead her out of the yard and possibly explain the short time between her last being seen and missing.

A BFH guestion..... was there any car rental receipts? Anything to indicate the two G's would have rented a van near that time? Not that I have any idea what we would do with that, other than a tie to the two G's. Was it ever verified in any way other than the medical paperwork found in the BFH GW was really at work that afternoon? would it be possible to find out from whereever he was working at the time this many years later?

This next one is difficult for me to ask. Feel free not to answer if you like.

Lastly, GW's animosity towards you, and the venom you have said he spewed at times verbally. I'm wondering if it was planned numerically or an odd coincidence that Anna went missing on the same date of the month that you and Joe had married just a few months later. Something is not sitting with me right about either of the G's thoughts on another man raising GW's daughter. The comments in the book about GW's feelings of guilt for taking her brothers away from their father got me thinking along this line. It doesn't seem to me there was much time between GW being aware of your remarriage and Anna going missing. I'm not sure how that will help.... but it has been bothering me.

Just thinking outloud..... for more possibilities and ideas.

ETA: Sorry for the lengthy post.

[smile22]

don't know why i didn't think of this sooner but do u supposed they wanted to pick a day with rain heavy that it would flood the creek so that when anna went missing and le/pd were called the focus would be on the creek the rainboots were they close to the creek when found. could someone have gotten anna and the other person placed the boot there so the creek would be the main focus.

[Dr. Doogie]

Early on in my involvement in the case, I had a discussion with Joe Ford where he speculated that the abductor may have also been involved with construction. He referred to a case that he had read about where criminal profilers identified a pattern in a series of crimes that occured on weekdays where there were heavy rains. The profilers determined that the perp may have been involved in a job like construction that would free him up on days that a job site was rained out. This narrowed LE's focus and they eventually caught the perp - a construction worker.

And a quick note: our tipster who claims to have seen Anna two years after her abduction says that the abducter "Bill" was a construction worker.

[Annasmom]

Since finishing the searching for Anna book, several questions and things have come back to mind, at least for me and some possible unanswered questions that I may have missed....Perhaps searching for a news article with the company name or person with some old criminal history might be worth investigating. I'm not sure if anyone had considered that angle. Might be worth contacting or writing Mickles...... he was overseeing any construction at that time.

The two horsemen who helped with the search. Are you still in contact with them Annasmom? I wonder if they might recall some contact people or names, associations with members of the horse club and possibly the motorcycle club. Anyone disappear unexplained about that time?

Along the same lines as a possible contractor/construction worker angle, anything unusual happen to any family, friends or acquantainces of anyone in your immediate circle or Anna's peers. Maybe someone she had a play date with in the days or weeks prior to going missing? An acquaintance, friend, family member of anyone she was in contact with? ...


A BFH guestion..... was there any car rental receipts? Anything to indicate the two G's would have rented a van near that time? Not that I have any idea what we would do with that, other than a tie to the two G's. Was it ever verified in any way other than the medical paperwork found in the BFH GW was really at work that afternoon? would it be possible to find out from whereever he was working at the time this many years later?

This next one is difficult for me to ask. Feel free not to answer if you like.

Lastly, GW's animosity towards you, and the venom you have said he spewed at times verbally. I'm wondering if it was planned numerically or an odd coincidence that Anna went missing on the same date of the month that you and Joe had married just a few months later. Something is not sitting with me right about either of the G's thoughts on another man raising GW's daughter. The comments in the book about GW's feelings of guilt for taking her brothers away from their father got me thinking along this line. It doesn't seem to me there was much time between GW being aware of your remarriage and Anna going missing. I'm not sure how that will help.... but it has been bothering me.

Just thinking outloud..... for more possibilities and ideas.

ETA: Sorry for the lengthy post.

Your letter was a great checklist, and the fact that you had all these questions after reading the book just makes me feel that the book is doing its job. I do need to go and read the microfilm for 1972 in the library. I read it for the year that the "informant" said she saw Anna, but did not look at older copies.

I recently had contact with the individual who was overseeing construction at the farm. He had been a neighbor at the time, and I was trying to fill in a map of all the neighbors. He didn't have anything unusual to report, though he did furnish some names that I hadn't had before.

Thank you for all these questions. I'll keep them in mind and have yet another go at the BFH, argh.

[christine2448]

Poppin' in just to send some love....also, encouragement...you all are unbelievable. So awesome to watch you all. Thanks.

[Dr. Doogie]

I'll keep them in mind and have yet another go at the BFH, argh.

I would recommend wearing a necklace made of garlic and keeping a wooden stake handy.

[Rhett]

Is there by chance anything more to be gleaned from the girl who said she saw Anna with Bill? Would she be willing to undergo hypnosis maybe? Maybe talk to her father if he is still living and try to find out Bill's name.

[Mischa]

Lastly, GW's animosity towards you, and the venom you have said he spewed at times verbally.


Did it ever occur to you that George Waters probably dreamt of Anna’s Mom becoming his disciple, too? His was very fond of much younger women. Perhaps taking Anna was his revenge for her mother not falling for "fabulous George".
(Sorry, Ms Benedict if I scared or offended you, but I think this thought is to important for not being mentioned)

Regards from Germany

M.

[Cubby]

Is there by chance anything more to be gleaned from the girl who said she saw Anna with Bill? Would she be willing to undergo hypnosis maybe? Maybe talk to her father if he is still living and try to find out Bill's name.


I had the same thoughts. I wonder if she could provide addresses or tenant names of his investment properties, and wonder if there was a way to search for them if she was unable to... with the full privacy and trust from the core group.

[Annasmom]

Did it ever occur to you that George Waters probably dreamt of Anna’s Mom becoming his disciple, too? His was very fond of much younger women. Perhaps taking Anna was his revenge for her mother not falling for "fabulous George".
(Sorry, Ms Benedict if I scared or offended you, but I think this thought is to important for not being mentioned)

Regards from Germany

M.
Mischa, I don't know about the revenge motive, but certainly he wanted to enlist me as a disciple and had nothing good to say about me when I categorically refused to let him take over my life, as he put it. If you've ever read any of the Faust stories, that is what it was like. He also had an annoying way of seeming to pick a piece of lint off your sweater or something, so that he was touching you without permission, and yet you couldn't quite say anything. Awful.

[Dr. Doogie]

Is there by chance anything more to be gleaned from the girl who said she saw Anna with Bill? Would she be willing to undergo hypnosis maybe? Maybe talk to her father if he is still living and try to find out Bill's name.

The woman's father was suffering from alzheimers when we last spoke to her, so that would not be an option. I do not know if she would be willing to undergo hypnosis, but she was very cooperative with our questions.

For me, the question of the validity of this woman's story is still up in the air. The story seems almost too good to be true, but those parts that can be confirmed have proven to be truthful. Some research into her background uncovered some hint that her memories may be suspect, but too much of what she said has been verified to dismiss her outright. We have not done much followup after our initial interviews with her simply because we are not sure which way to go with her information other than giving extra attention to any connections involving a "Bill" or a "William" who may have been a construction worker and who lived in or immediately around the city of San Mateo.

In short, I believe that she believes that the information that she has provided is correct. Her sincerity or intent is not in question, only whether the content is factual or something else.

[Dr. Doogie]

In reading both from the BFH and Annasmom's book, it seems that revenge probably did play some factor - if it truly was the two Georges behind Anna's abduction. Waters' letters to his parents (which were undoubtedly dictated by Brody) contained horribly insulting references to Annasmom, beyond even what someone might expect during an unfriendly divorce. Evidently, Brody was not happy with this turn of events

I also noticed that coincidence of Anna's disappearance occuring exactly four months to the day after the marriage of Annasmom and Joe Ford. I do not know if this was by design or coincidence, but I do believe that the marriage actually set off the series of events that culminated with Anna's disappearance. Right after the marriage, Annasmom sent Waters a letter informing him of the marriage and that he could discontinue his alimony payments. Having been relieved of an alimony payment of $125, I suspect that the two Georges felt that it was time to be releived of the $175 child support payment also. This motive, coupled with removing Anna as a potential heir to Waters' estate, is what lead to the crime.

[Mischa]

Mischa, I don't know about the revenge motive, but certainly he wanted to enlist me as a disciple and had nothing good to say about me when I categorically refused to let him take over my life, as he put it. If you've ever read any of the Faust stories, that is what it was like. He also had an annoying way of seeming to pick a piece of lint off your sweater or something, so that he was touching you without permission, and yet you couldn't quite say anything. Awful.

Well - thinking of the necklace of garlic and the stake Dr. Doogie proposed for the dead George- The best way to deal with the living George propably would have been a solid hammer. :D

[InterestedNHelping]

Today, being my own birthday, I cannot help but think about Anna, we share the same birth year. I have been searching for some time for adoptees in Illinois, thinking that it is possible that the adoptee may think they were born there. I have a few leads, nothing concrete yet. I have discovered that Annasmom can register with the Illinois state police registration database through vital records, and can list herself as a birthparent. since she does not know if Anna could have been taken away by GW to Illinois, and could have been internationally adopted, she should be allowed to register. Also, it is sad to say, but Illinois is notorious for several shady adoption houses during the time that Anna was taken. I watch and search all the time, hoping I will find her.
One off the topic note...there is a place there, called Anna, Illinois...wish I could find her there!
I have learned from other adoptees how difficult it is to reconnect if you were adopted out from these shady homes, but the state is lenient in giving records out in these cases, due to the nature of the people who ran these adoption homes, so that is good news~!
Thinking of Anna today...

[Annasmom]

Today, being my own birthday, I cannot help but think about Anna, we share the same birth year. I have been searching for some time for adoptees in Illinois, thinking that it is possible that the adoptee may think they were born there. I have a few leads, nothing concrete yet. I have discovered that Annasmom can register with the Illinois state police registration database through vital records, and can list herself as a birthparent. since she does not know if Anna could have been taken away by GW to Illinois, and could have been internationally adopted, she should be allowed to register. Also, it is sad to say, but Illinois is notorious for several shady adoption houses during the time that Anna was taken. I watch and search all the time, hoping I will find her.
One off the topic note...there is a place there, called Anna, Illinois...wish I could find her there!
I have learned from other adoptees how difficult it is to reconnect if you were adopted out from these shady homes, but the state is lenient in giving records out in these cases, due to the nature of the people who ran these adoption homes, so that is good news~!
Thinking of Anna today...
Happy Birthday, INH, and many thanks for your good thoughts. I have been assuming that the National Center and the International Center for Missing and Exploited Children covers all the states, since it is staffed at least partially by law enforcement people.

[SherlockJr]

Today, being my own birthday, I cannot help but think about Anna, we share the same birth year. I have been searching for some time for adoptees in Illinois, thinking that it is possible that the adoptee may think they were born there. I have a few leads, nothing concrete yet. I have discovered that Annasmom can register with the Illinois state police registration database through vital records, and can list herself as a birthparent. since she does not know if Anna could have been taken away by GW to Illinois, and could have been internationally adopted, she should be allowed to register. Also, it is sad to say, but Illinois is notorious for several shady adoption houses during the time that Anna was taken. I watch and search all the time, hoping I will find her.
One off the topic note...there is a place there, called Anna, Illinois...wish I could find her there!
I have learned from other adoptees how difficult it is to reconnect if you were adopted out from these shady homes, but the state is lenient in giving records out in these cases, due to the nature of the people who ran these adoption homes, so that is good news~!
Thinking of Anna today...

Happy belated Birthday INH! With the news breaking last week with the commune in TX, I can't help but think could Anna be there?

[suzapalooza]

I'm the neighbor on the farm who lived in the small cottage by the stream. I got the book as soon as Annasmom told me via email that it was available, and I'm a little upset with myself about how much I have forgotten. Some of my lapsed memory I can blame on residual chemo-brain, and some on old age. In particular, I don’t remember the information uncovered as a result of surveillance of the two Georges, and the contents of the Box From Hell. I’d moved to New Mexico, and from there to Pennsylvania, and am now in North Carolina. Today, I want to toss a couple dreams into the pot along with some strange events that may or may not have any relevance.

Annasmom, Annasbro, JoeFord, Sherlock, Doogie, and all you wonderful sleuths, I've just been reading through the threads on the forum here, and am so impressed with everyone's insights and theories, and how you all are working so closely to find Anna. Your sleuthing and reviews of all known facts make it clear that Anna was taken away by somebody. I don't really remember much about that day, it was so chaotic, and all the focus was on searching the flooded stream and the many buildings and barns on the farm. And then with the arrival of the sheriffs and the divers, helicopters, the whole place was teeming with people. Even though I was there that day, in Annasmom's living room with her and Joe, so many details have fled my mind over the years. I do remember Annasmom getting up and saying with a serious look on her face 'I'm not tracking Anna.' And that's when we all started looking around the farm, calling for her. And time turned upside down.

I remember Annasmom telling me about a dream she had, shortly after Anna disappeared, when Anna appeared to her covered in a seaweed-draped shawl. At least it was something like that.

I told Annasmom about a dream I had in which Anna and I were at a big flea market, a huge swap meet in a football stadium, we were walking along the aisles of tables; then the dream shifted and we were in a neighborhood, where the stoops of the row houses came right down to the sidewalk, and as we were walking along we looked up, to our right, and there was an enormous white rabbit on the top step. The rabbit had a large pink rose 'tattooed' on its chest, in its fur. Then I woke up. Years later I saw Carole Bell, a psychic in Albuquerque. At the end of the session I told her I'd lost a good friend, a 5-year-old girl, she looked at me and said right away 'She is OK, she's with the Rose People.' I didn't know what she meant, so she said that the Rose People are like spirits, we can walk right through them. Hmmmm. Maybe she's with a family last name of Rose?

Anna was the only person on the farm who would come and eat liver and onions with me. And a little bacon, of course. She loved to help me measure and count my worms. One worm was so big, we made a special bed for him, and Anna named him King Worm. He had whiskers. She also named my billy goat: Rocky Road Raccoon Flower. Anna was great fun to be with, her giggles were infectious, we had many good laughs together. I hope she is alive and still giggling. Maybe she is a gardener, raising worms somewhere...

Two other things I remember. In Annasmom's kitchen there was a small mirror over the stove, and some time after Anna disappeared I looked at the mirror, and it wasn't my reflection, it was an old mutual friend's face looking back at me. It was the ex-wife of Dr. Dick. Annasmom and I called her on the phone immediately, and we all cried. Later, back down in my little cottage, I walked by the mirror on the bathroom door, and there was NO reflection.

And oh, now I am remembering a Tarot reading over at Jeffrey's in Mill Valley. The reader basically said the cards said Anna was a prisoner of some sort. This was before Jeffrey disowned all of us, the old San Francisco crew. He 'got religion.'

Also I thought the van that the carpenter saw leaving the canyon after he stopped to commune with the horses by the fence at Bud's, that the van was a green panel van with two men in the front seats who waved to him. But I may be mixing this up with the old movie 'The Collector' where the guy drove a green panel van. That movie was scary.

The small footprints in the mud at the bank of the stream by the big barn were probably mine, as I wore little kid size work boots. I remember going there while searching. That barn had a big water wheel around back. I don't remember if my estranged husband was there for the search as we'd split up by then. Annasmom, was he there?

Annasmom, I have had many occasions in my life to remember your words to me on a day we stood on the bridge, leaning on the railing overlooking the stream, you'd been re-reading The Tibetan Book of the Dead, and you turned to me and said, 'These things happen to those of us who can handle it.' We just handle it. There are varying degrees of handling sadness, tragedy, mystery, frustration, anger, confusion. It slips all around, is never static, and is all a part of handling it. You have always been my model for strength, grace under pressure, beauty, talent, and concern for all those around you. Remembering your words helped me handle the nightmare of BC.

I can't help but feel that the two Georges were the schemers behind Anna's disappearance. If anybody can solve this, it will be this great crew here at Websleuths...

Annasmom, I pray you get a call from Anna soon... and Anna, wherever you are, please call your mom

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Susapaloosa. WELCOME to websluthes. Your post was of great interest to me. Thank you so much for sharing.

I got goose bumps when you mentioned "the Rose people". Some of us have had a theory , (no proof what-so-ever, but still in the backs of our minds) that Anna and Rose Cole, (a missing teenager in the area at the time) are/were together possibly at the Synanon, or more likely after Rose escaped from there.

Anyway, I really hope you continue to post.

[Annasmom]

I am thrilled that SP is posting. She certainly was Anna's best Big Friend. Sometimes I think Anna thought of her as her second mother, except that in a way they were more like sisters...very much alike in their creative and whimsical nature and their curiosity about the world around them. In answer to SP's question, I don't remember the ex being there; I'd have to check my diary to see. The dream she describes (not the rabbit--the other one) is very vivid, however, and I think I described it in the book. It was in full color. Someone had given Anna a bath and washed her hair and she was wearing a brown poncho which I had never seen and she was pouting, with her lip stuck out.

[InterestedNHelping]

Suza, all I can say is WOW...it seems that everyone close to this case has had their own version of dreams, related to Anna. She is a close connection to our hearts. Throughout this work to find Anna, I have recalled with amazing recollection, how many people I know that adopted children at that time. I know so very many people that are exactly my age that are adopted, and I have perused my memory to make sure that none are Anna. I even had friends who had their youngest child pass away,(in the 70s) and her name was Christianna, and she was a brown-eyed blond, but I know for certain that she was their own blood child. (But I have always wanted to ask them to their face, if she was!)
The more people that come together here from all sides of the fence the better we can do to create a scenario of where Anna is. Everyone here is valued and appreciated for whatever they can bring to our discussion, no matter what that is.
The way to find Anna, is together...all-inclusiveness will show her to us!
welcome here to websleuths, we value your input.

[InterestedNHelping]

Thanks everyone for the happy birthdays...I am the same age as Anna, and I think of her every day.

[InterestedNHelping]

This has most likely been covered, but I am researching and need some info...what hospital was Anna born in, or was she born at home, or who was the doctor?

[Annasmom]

This has most likely been covered, but I am researching and need some info...what hospital was Anna born in, or was she born at home, or who was the doctor? She was born at the University of California hospital in San Francisco. Her doctor was Dr. Orcutt.

[InterestedNHelping]

Thank you, was there ever any clarity on which side of Anna's face the mole was on?

[InterestedNHelping]

One more note on 'the rose' thing...remember our discussion on the Rosicrucians?

[Annasmom]

Thank you, was there ever any clarity on which side of Anna's face the mole was on?
The mole was on her right cheekbone, as it appears in the latest NCMEC age progression picture. The website www.searchingforanna.com (maintained by AnnasUnc and the family) is a quick way to check out things like this throughout the day, since I may only be on line once a day. Thank you for working on this.

[InterestedNHelping]

Thanks again, I did look at the site first, lol, that's why I asked, as I wasn't sure that this was the corrected image, so I thought I might double check, causing my self more confusion rather than less!

[InterestedNHelping]

This listing in the california birth index has haunted me for quite some time, so maybe someone else can give an idea on it. Is this merely coincidence, or did the Georges do it?
It is listed as the day after(17th) Anna disappeared in (Jan 16)1973, but her birth year. Listing the mother as waters, and the first name unlisted. I have always thought if she had been taken by the Georges that she might have a new birthday of the date she was taken, and her actual year. Oddly enough it appears chronologically a few births above Anna in the index.
Alameda is the county, Oakland is in this county.
WATERS 1967 01 17 WATERS FEMALE ALAMEDA

[suzapalooza]

INH and Annasmom, I'm not familiar with your discussion on the Rosicrucians, however, it has sparked a blip in my memory bank. Annasmom, didn't the farm have a visit from a woman who was Rosicrucian, I couldn't say when exactly, but I DO remember she said this to us: 'The hand that rocks the cradle, rocks the world.' Who was she, who was she visiting, why was she there? Was she wearing a scarf on her head? It seems we sat around under the weeping willow tree... Am I remembering correctly?

~suzapalooza

[Annasmom]

INH and Annasmom, I'm not familiar with your discussion on the Rosicrucians, however, it has sparked a blip in my memory bank. Annasmom, didn't the farm have a visit from a woman who was Rosicrucian, I couldn't say when exactly, but I DO remember she said this to us: 'The hand that rocks the cradle, rocks the world.' Who was she, who was she visiting, why was she there? Was she wearing a scarf on her head? It seems we sat around under the weeping willow tree... Am I remembering correctly?

~suzapalooza

There was a woman who drove a little old church bus and who hoped to rent one of the houses. I don't remember a Rosicrucian connection, but the woman's name was Cherie. She was an artist and worked with wax and batik.

[SherlockJr]

This listing in the california birth index has haunted me for quite some time, so maybe someone else can give an idea on it. Is this merely coincidence, or did the Georges do it?
It is listed as the day after(17th) Anna disappeared in (Jan 16)1973, but her birth year. Listing the mother as waters, and the first name unlisted. I have always thought if she had been taken by the Georges that she might have a new birthday of the date she was taken, and her actual year. Oddly enough it appears chronologically a few births above Anna in the index.
Alameda is the county, Oakland is in this county.
WATERS 1967 01 17 WATERS FEMALE ALAMEDA

GW does have a sister. Could she have given a child up for adoption around that time?

[Annasbro]

Hi suzapalooza! Thanks for your recalling of the day Anna disappeared and for contributing to websleuths. It brought me back to the time and place very strongly. I remember king worm very clearly! A quick question - do you think the Rose people be the Rosicrucians? Just thought I would throw that out there.

[Annasmom]

GW does have a sister. Could she have given a child up for adoption around that time?

No, that did not happen. Waters is a fairly common name, but no babies were given up by this family, at least not voluntarily.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

One more note on 'the rose' thing...remember our discussion on the Rosicrucians?

I had read a lot on the Rosicrucians at the time of that discussion. In my humble oppenion, I don't think Brody was a member. One of the major factors being that Annsmom mentioned on a few occasions that Brody had a taste for expensive Brandy. The Rosicrucians are strictly anti-alcohol. They are also Vegetarian...I don't remember that ever being discussed about Brody though.

Does anyone know if Brody was a vegetarian?

Anything is possible. I have been know to break a few rules of my religion on occasion...(shhh, don't tell :))

[MagicRose99]

Brody wouldn't have to have been a member of the Rosicrucians in order to send Anna off with them... it's still a possiblity that I wouldn't write off quickly...

[smile22]

how do we find out more info on these people and where they live

[Annasmom]

I had read a lot on the Rosicrucians at the time of that discussion. In my humble oppenion, I don't think Brody was a member. One of the major factors being that Annsmom mentioned on a few occasions that Brody had a taste for expensive Brandy. The Rosicrucians are strictly anti-alcohol. They are also Vegetarian...I don't remember that ever being discussed about Brody though.

Does anyone know if Brody was a vegetarian?

Anything is possible. I have been know to break a few rules of my religion on occasion...(shhh, don't tell :)) I won't tell! I never saw Brody eat food, but since he and GW frequented Denny's, I would be very surprised if he didn't eat meat.

[Annasmom]

how do we find out more info on these people and where they live
The organization has an office somewhere near San Jose. Remember that GW in the Squibb books ordered an ephemeris (calendar used in astrology) from the Rosicrucians, who sell these. I'm sure there are other Rosicrucian offices and local organizations, but I'm not sure how locating these might help us. I don't think Brody had any formal association with any group.

[InterestedNHelping]

San Jose is their headquarters, I was doing research last week.(They have a beautiful museum there, and park) But I have to say, I do not think that Brody was a member of them, I just can't see his egoist attitude in this organization. There is plenty of info on Rosecrusians online, but they do not move in a sect, so to speak, so Anna 'going with them' doesn't make any sense. It's like a belief and study system, like most religions or faiths, but it doesn't organize quite the same way you would think with any certain denominational church. Read their belief structure and study at their website if you are interested. They started during Egyptian times.

I will try to find the link again.

[Cubby]

Hi Suzapalooza! Welcome to WS. I am so glad to see you posting.

I'm throwing this out here while I am thinking about it. "Upstream". Paraphrasing. I have noticed, one of the psychics Annas mom mentioned in the book. "A woman walked with Anna along the creek and led her away from the property." "The search dog, ran to the creek, under the bridge, and upstream before giving up and back tracking", and Joe's notes, or notes indicating one of the places someone could view the ranch without being seen was along the creek east bound, which I assume is upstream.

White panel truck, "turn around" for vehicles 1/4 mile or 1/8 mile east bound on Purisima creek road, same place the neighbor heard noises as if someone were stealing something after siren went off.

This combination leads me to believe, whoever took Anna did move east bound after the initial abduction.

Oddly, when pondering on this more, I wondered what if any skills GW ( or GB) had that would allow him to pull off such a move. What kind of skills did he and his family have based on his childhood history?

Was there enough time for that white panel truck to turn around after CB arrived at the home and take Anna? did CB associate with any questionable people? Could someone have followed him to the farm after he left work? - that goes back to my questions presented to Annasmom a few weeks ago regarding who was doing work on the ranch in the days or weeks preceding Anna's disapearance.

Joes blog and the book mention the daily activity with horse people, and various clubs. Were these people on a routine schedule? Did their business daily are regular times?

Someone had to have a real good feel for the daily routines around the farm and studied them for some time before taking Anna.

I'm trying so hard to focus and understand just what the daily routine was and what unusual things may have occured in the days and weeks prior to Anna going missing.

[Cubby]

It was some time ago that Doug mentioned the possibility of looking for GW's FBI file.... but it would be a lot of work......

It's never left my mind that possiblity, a name exists in that file who may lead to an adopted child, someone with a criminal background, or various other possibilities.

Was a decision ever made on pursing that avenue? I know it would take a lot of time, but.... this investigation has been going on for a lot of time. I know other more pressing issues and leads have come and gone, but I really hate the thought of letting something fall to the side based on how much time it might take to pursue, and I would be more than happy to assist Doogie in and way I possibly can, to help with some of these. OR anyone else....

:blowkiss:

[NJshrink]

As I continue my random searches, I came across a woman who lists herself on my space as Insomnia Mommy/Bammy. She mentions her husband's name as James. She reports that he is a retired military man. In the 1970's they were stationed in Korea and then Germany. Interestingly she reports that she has a 41 yr. old daughter (whom she does not name) a 33 yr. old daughter (unnamed) and a son who lost mental capacities in a car accident. She also says she has a five yr. old "daughter" named Anna. Jumping around to her contacts on my space I gleaned her name is Judy LLLLubeck age 61. She is very involved with religious ministries and now lives in Mississippi. Several of her children and grandchildren are also involved in the Baptist/Evangelical ministries some in Florida and Texas also. Some of them are religious singers and there are many pictures. The one named Jenny B. looks an awful lot like the updated pictures of Anna. I have a feeloing some of these people may have even posted here. The Christina glitter art comes up alot there as does fairies. I could be way off base here, but considering that there is again a funny reference to "mom" being miraculously cured of cancer and an earlier citing of a woman in Illinois who said a father and daughter came alone into a church there when she was ill and gave her a crucifix, this ay be worth checking out. Remember there was also a reference in GB's plans to making final arrangements with "L's."

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

As I continue my random searches, I came across a woman who lists herself on my space as Insomnia Mommy/Bammy. She mentions her husband's name as James. She reports that he is a retired military man. In the 1970's they were stationed in Korea and then Germany. Interestingly she reports that she has a 41 yr. old daughter (whom she does not name) a 33 yr. old daughter (unnamed) and a son who lost mental capacities in a car accident. She also says she has a five yr. old "daughter" named Anna. Jumping around to her contacts on my space I gleaned her name is Judy LLLLubeck age 61. She is very involved with religious ministries and now lives in Mississippi. Several of her children and grandchildren are also involved in the Baptist/Evangelical ministries some in Florida and Texas also. Some of them are religious singers and there are many pictures. The one named Jenny B. looks an awful lot like the updated pictures of Anna. I have a feeloing some of these people may have even posted here. The Christina glitter art comes up alot there as does fairies. I could be way off base here, but considering that there is again a funny reference to "mom" being miraculously cured of cancer and an earlier citing of a woman in Illinois who said a father and daughter came alone into a church there when she was ill and gave her a crucifix, this ay be worth checking out. Remember there was also a reference in GB's plans to making final arrangements with "L's."
Do you have any links? I've done several searches on Myspace using the names /Identities you posted, and am not finding anything. I not very myspace savvy, so it could be just me.

[smile22]

Do you have any links? I've done several searches on Myspace using the names /Identities you posted, and am not finding anything. I not very myspace savvy, so it could be just me.

i did the same thing and came up blank like u did i send a pm for the link but no response as of yet

[NJshrink]

Since I am not involved in my space, I didn't think to post the cites, sorry. What I did have in my notes as I surfed around was for Insomniac Mommy/Bammy whose cite is myspace.com/AnnaAshleyJillian. I'm not sure if there are slashes between the names or they are even in caps. As I said earlier I believe her name is Judy Lubeck, married to a James. She has a sister Sherry Wheeler. Jenny B is listed on my space.com/berens There is also a Jenny Wright aka Dizzy married to Ramie Socks listed in myspace.com/dizzy11981 I can't tell who is exactly related to whom, when things were posted and which generation each person represents. It seemed strange that a 61 yr. old woman now has a 5 year old unless someone in her family died and she is raising the child or this is a grandchild. Some of the trail and leads had come via a site for Father Wades in Lakeland, Florida who seems to run Blue Kirk Mission cite myspace.comfriarwade I also had a 41 yr. old woman named Anna in Norway listed in myspace.com/777cecca She was either a writer or muscian (I can't recall) who also had friends on her list from Greece. I also came across a Rick Von Eye in Texas at The Way of Christ Ministry also connected I think the connection here is to the sister of Judy named Sherry in Austin, Texas. That's as far as this amateur has gotten.

[smile22]

Since I am not involved in my space, I didn't think to post the cites, sorry. What I did have in my notes as I surfed around was for Insomniac Mommy/Bammy whose cite is myspace.com/AnnaAshleyJillian. I'm not sure if there are slashes between the names or they are even in caps. As I said earlier I believe her name is Judy Lubeck, married to a James. She has a sister Sherry Wheeler. Jenny B is listed on my space.com/berens There is also a Jenny Wright aka Dizzy married to Ramie Socks listed in myspace.com/dizzy11981 I can't tell who is exactly related to whom, when things were posted and which generation each person represents. It seemed strange that a 61 yr. old woman now has a 5 year old unless someone in her family died and she is raising the child or this is a grandchild. Some of the trail and leads had come via a site for Father Wades in Lakeland, Florida who seems to run Blue Kirk Mission cite myspace.comfriarwade I also had a 41 yr. old woman named Anna in Norway listed in myspace.com/777cecca She was either a writer or muscian (I can't recall) who also had friends on her list from Greece. I also came across a Rick Von Eye in Texas at The Way of Christ Ministry also connected I think the connection here is to the sister of Judy named Sherry in Austin, Texas. That's as far as this amateur has gotten.

i searched all over those pages for jenny b when i went to the website for the jenny b i got a myspace for a josh who looked like he was 18 and no refrence to a jenny b

[Mocha Java]

I don't know if one needs to be a member to view profiles, but here's the link to Jenny B's myspace profile:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=219013940

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I don't know if one needs to be a member to view profiles, but here's the link to Jenny B's myspace profile:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=219013940

Thanks for the link Mocha!!

Sadly, Jenny B has blue-gray eyes, Anna's are brown. She would have been a pretty good match otherwise.

[Annasmom]

Because many of you log in from your workplace computers and we are coming up to a holiday weekend, I want to remind you that Sunday, May 25, is Missing Children's Day. We will be leaving our porch lights on in the evening as a gesture to light the way home for all missing children. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children reports that in a single year, 797,500 children go missing, 21,000 a day. In our search for Anna, we want to remember all these children and their families. Anna's family thanks each of you for your support, your help, and your affection.

[Jodibug]

Annasmom- I have been away from WS for several weeks since having my baby, but I wanted to let you know that I think of you often.

I have much catching-up to do here!

[NJshrink]

Just want to remind you that many people wear colored contact lenses.

[NJshrink]

Here's another cite and I hope this one really isn't Anna. It is listed on the Charley Project as Annette Marie Mizener dob 7/18/67 disappeared 12/4/04. It is #408 for the year 2004. It says she lived in Wisconsin, had a daughter and a son and just adopted two more kids. Also said she has a BA from Upper Ohio U and ran a business with her husband.

[Annasmom]

Annasmom- I have been away from WS for several weeks since having my baby, but I wanted to let you know that I think of you often.

I have much catching-up to do here!

Jodibug, congratulations! Tell us more!

[Cubby]

Jodibug, congratulations! Tell us more!


Annasmom, Jodibug has a thread in the Jury room. Will come back and link it. I miss those days with no sleep, wrinkled skin, and the blister on the lip from nursing. How soon we forget after those first few weeks of sleep deprived nights. Congrats Jodibug! I can't wait for my nephew to get here, edd 07-15.

Stopping in today on National Missing Childrens day. I was just about to call our local oldies station, 94.7 true oldies to request Brandy- Looking Glass for Anna, and guess what was playing! Guess I will have to call in another request when I ask everyone to keep their porch lights on tonight.

Thanks for the smile Anna, and letting us know you know we are thinking of you. Your timing was impeccable... now just give us a sign to find you!

Testing the link from the JR. This should work for members Annasmom.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65206

[Annasmom]

Annasmom, Jodibug has a thread in the Jury room. Will come back and link it. I miss those days with no sleep, wrinkled skin, and the blister on the lip from nursing. How soon we forget after those first few weeks of sleep deprived nights. Congrats Jodibug! I can't wait for my nephew to get here, edd 07-15.

Stopping in today on National Missing Childrens day. I was just about to call our local oldies station, 94.7 true oldies to request Brandy- Looking Glass for Anna, and guess what was playing! Guess I will have to call in another request when I ask everyone to keep their porch lights on tonight.

Thanks for the smile Anna, and letting us know you know we are thinking of you. Your timing was impeccable... now just give us a sign to find you!

Testing the link from the JR. This should work for members Annasmom.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65206

Thanks so much, Cubby. The porch light is on.

[NJshrink]

I wonder if it might be of any help in the search for Anna to photoshop her most recent age enhanced photo altering her hair color and styles. I find myself searching for only light blonds. Perhaps she has dyed it strawberry, auburn or brown. Perhaps she wears it pixie, bob or pageboy.

[Annasmom]

We'll be out of touch the next two weeks, but Doogie and SherlockJr know how to contact us if you find Anna before then! Hugs to you all.

[NJshrink]

I cannot remember who may or may not have been ruled out as "Anna", but while working on another case, the one of missing Michelle Marie Ashley Nicholaous (Doe case # 2355DFMA), several thing caused me pause. The first was a very young picture of her (not dated) that looked like Anna might have around age 6-8. The second thing was noticing that she grew up in Conn. Her birth date was listed as 10/18/66. In a bit further exploring this case, her mother's name was ROSE Young. I'm not clear if she or her mother was a nurse. The mother lived in Vermont in 1988 when her daughter went missing from MA with her children. It was also noted that MICHELLE had sandy brown thick hair and brown eyes. Again, since this young woman may have been killed at age 22, I hope this is not Anna. If this has already been explored, sorry for the repetition. There is DNA on file for Michelle.

[SherlockJr]

I am looking for anyone who has a membership to newspaperarchive.com! Please e-mail me at reuniteanna@yahoo.com. There are a couple articles of interest from 1973 that we may want to look at.

[SherlockJr]

:clap:A big thank you to Tuitsweet for her assistance in the newspaper archive lookup. Dr. Doogie, you were right about the kidnapping in the Bahamas.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

:clap:A big thank you to Tuitsweet for her assistance in the newspaper archive lookup. Dr. Doogie, you were right about the kidnapping in the Bahamas.

Sounds intriguing. Is this something you can share with the forum?

[Dr. Doogie]

Sounds intriguing. Is this something you can share with the forum?

While searching Google for possibly related events, SherlockJr found a partially listed story about a kidnapped girl who had been found in February 1973. Because it was a snippet of the article, what was not clear until we found the entire story is that the girl was identified and that the kidnapping and recovery were in the Bahamas. Turns out that there is no relation to Anna's case, but SherlockJr is definitely continuing to "beat the bushes" looking for leads!

[SherlockJr]

Sounds intriguing. Is this something you can share with the forum?

Yes it was intriguing iW! I was gonna send you on this search since it was published in a Nebraska newspaper. Here was the bait...

"Feb 19, 1973 - The kidnapers had left her in an abandoned church near an old lumber camp on the north shore of the island about 10 miles from the Spencers