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CW
11-18-2007, 04:20 PM
Links to the other 7 threads.

#7 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56117

#6 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56008

#5 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55978

#4 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55919

#3 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55851

#2 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55720

#1 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55533

Leila
11-18-2007, 05:29 PM
I'm intrigued by Scott Rossetto. According to news reports he was the brother of a boy she dated in high school. The boy she dated joined the army and after that Stacy began seeing DP. Scott Rossetto appears to only have been a friend from Stacy's past, so I'm wondering why she would have contacted him out of the blue.

There had to be a reason for Stacy contacting Scott Rossetto, and the only thing I can think of is that Stacy felt that he could be trusted and could help her in some way. What he does for a living might be important, as she may have been contacting him for help he could provide in the capacity of his occupation.

The police don't consider Scott Rossetto a suspect, so he must have a good alibi for the time period in question.

cricket
11-18-2007, 05:47 PM
I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the investigators asked him not to divulge what they talked to him about. I think that's why he is not saying more than he is.

itsreenw
11-18-2007, 06:02 PM
Scott said Stacy dated his brother and also a friend of his. I don't think Stacy called him out of the blue. I really doubt she would have any male #s in her possession while living with DP.. She had no privacy.

I think DP being an old, sloppy, insecure loser was probably grilling Stacy about her past relationships and male friends. I can just hear him saying "when's the last time you talked to Bob? Dick? Harry? Scott?- call him, I want to hear what he says to you".

He could easily get Scott's #from accessing records at work which is illegal but hell, that's DP. He can do what he wants.

I am leaning toward thinking Stacy had a "friend" but so what?? I''d cheat on that old dirt bag too. Drew won't let anyone divorce him unless it's on his terms. He told Stacy to wait til he retired to get a divorce. What about what she wanted???? I like Scott. He's not scared of DP.

cricket
11-18-2007, 06:10 PM
Fox is reporting that this Scott guy is being called before a grand jury this coming week. I'm thinking that this means there are two grand juries. We know there is one looking into Kathleen Savio's death, but this guy would be testifying about Stacy.

If they have a grand jury for Stacy's disappearance - it could mean an arrest is coming!

Taximom
11-18-2007, 06:19 PM
Oh, good catch, cricket. I hope there are two grand juries. Drew better save up for a few suits since he's gonna be losing even MORE weight now.

mysteriew
11-18-2007, 06:20 PM
A common reaction to being cheated on is to cheat on the spouse- or to make the spouse think they are being cheated on. She didn't call an old bf (which would be more likely if she was trying to cheat.) So maybe by calling an old friend, that was as close as she thought she could come at this time.
Maybe she thought he could help her get a job.
Many times an abuser will isolate their spouse, not allowing them to see friends or family. Or the only friends she is allowed to have are 'his' friends. Maybe that was her first step, reaching out to someone who was once a friend. Hoping to have a supportive friendship in her new life without drew p.
Maybe she was reaching out to her own life before drew p. Hoping that talking about old times might help her to gain the strength to be able to leave.

mysteriew
11-18-2007, 06:35 PM
More details about the relationship
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3882766&page=1

chicoliving
11-18-2007, 06:35 PM
A few questions were answered here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56353)

concernedperson
11-18-2007, 06:35 PM
A common reaction to being cheated on is to cheat on the spouse- or to make the spouse think they are being cheated on. She didn't call an old bf (which would be more likely if she was trying to cheat.) So maybe by calling an old friend, that was as close as she thought she could come at this time.
Maybe she thought he could help her get a job.
Many times an abuser will isolate their spouse, not allowing them to see friends or family. Or the only friends she is allowed to have are 'his' friends. Maybe that was her first step, reaching out to someone who was once a friend. Hoping to have a supportive friendship in her new life without drew p.
Maybe she was reaching out to her own life before drew p. Hoping that talking about old times might help her to gain the strength to be able to leave.

Good thoughts Myst and probably what was going on. The networking that an old friend can provide is invaluable when you are down and out. Stacy was in that situation IMO. She knew she couldn't go on with Drew but she needed her sea legs to get past him.

mysteriew
11-18-2007, 06:37 PM
The vigil
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7009196591

More vigil, more details
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/656495,CST-NWS-vigil18.article

Relatives Try to Confront Ill. Officer

Armed with anger, hope and candles, participants in a vigil for a former police officer's missing fourth wife left a pink placard reading "Where's our sister Stacy?" — along with several other signs — on the man's porch Saturday.

Former Bolingbrook police Sgt. Drew Peterson rumbled away on his motorcycle before the vigil participants arrived but told reporters afterward that the ordeal has been hard on his children.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9LSLrzFQGStXb1io5FdErAtFFKgD8SVR7B82

Ok, I have to say this. IMO, drew p is using his children. His words- media is terrorizing his children. His words, the vigil was hard on his children. But he is the one who left during the vigil, but he left the children at home. And he didn't stay home to comfort them. Also, you would think he would allow the children to join in the vigil. After all, it was in honor of their mothers.

itsreenw
11-18-2007, 07:05 PM
snip


It wasn't always that way. Stacy Peterson's disappearance, say her relatives and friends, capped an explosive seven-year relationship that started with a teenage girl swept off her feet with attention and gifts from a man 30 years her senior, then turned progressively sinister as her once-loving husband grew increasingly controlling and suspicious, forbidding her to see family and friends, and accusing her of infidelity.


Hmmm...she was just a kid. PERVERT!! What did she see in him? YUCK.

Sedona
11-18-2007, 07:17 PM
Drew keeps saying he is just waiting. I noticed when they interviewed him last that he knows it is a matter of time.

If you have been following some of the past things I have said in post (yeah, since I am a forum sensation) I have been saying all along that I feel Drew is Narcissistic and they use their children to manipulate. They are mere extensions of them. He is a victim in all this, not Stacey.

I think by the end of the week, they will have him behind bars. :cool:

concernedperson
11-18-2007, 07:19 PM
snip


Hmmm...she was just a kid. PERVERT!! What did she see in him? YUCK.

If she is 23 then the 7 year relationship was when she was 16 not 17 and do we know that he didn't pursue her even before that.

Littledeer
11-18-2007, 07:22 PM
IMO, It has been established that DP marries, then ultimately has an affair, which the wife eventually finds out about, then threatens/abuses her (or more) and he is off to the next one.

Not once have I heard from the ex wifes how much he loved/cared for his chidlren.

And even now, with his 4th wife who not only has had two children with him but has adopted his childen from a previous marriage do I see/hear anything from DP but this:

rumbled away on his motorcycle before the vigil participants arrived but told reporters afterward that the ordeal has been hard on his children.

Jaded
11-18-2007, 07:32 PM
I think that Drew has this mental expiration date in his mind that his wives are no longer attractive to him after a certain age. He obviously likes much younger women, and it just seems that as they start to mature he doesn't like them anymore. Still waiting for some of his concubines to come out of the woodwork.

sassy_texasbelle2
11-18-2007, 07:39 PM
Once they becomes wives and a mother full time I am sure they do not drop everything when he wants something. Be that sex or the attention he thinks he so deserves. Marriage is not based on sex and PMS. I guess it took him 4 wives to find that out.

Thank God he never had one with hotflashes! He would not have made it out! Not with his attitude.

mysteriew
11-18-2007, 07:45 PM
LOL, ain't that the truth!

Leila
11-18-2007, 07:55 PM
snip


Hmmm...she was just a kid. PERVERT!! What did she see in him? YUCK.

I noted that too.........she was only 16, and I have no doubt that his fellow police officers knew he was involved with a 16-year-old minor, and looked the other way. How many cops are hiding the truth about DP? :furious:

Sedona
11-18-2007, 07:58 PM
Did anyone catch him say that Lacy, his daughter, was having tea parties with him and the family and the younger kids were having a good time with the family?

Like this is just a big 'ole party. :mad:

Jaded
11-18-2007, 08:07 PM
I think that's what bothers me the most about this case. It's his total lack of concern and the smugness he exhibited when asked if he would like to say anything to Stacy. He laughed -- anyone else in this position would have plead for her to at least call someone to let them know she is okay. Heck, he should have said for the sake of the kids please call and let them know that Mommy is all right, but he didn't. He spent his interview time attacking his wife's character and turning this into the "woe is me" show.

MCDRAW
11-18-2007, 08:43 PM
DP is so cocky. He figures his buddies will cover for him again. I'm thinking they are scrambling around trying to cover their own butts. Then again if the town is as crooked as RM says. There's no telling what they are doing. I think DP only thinks of himself. I don't think his children ever enter into what he id doing. If he sticks to his pattern, he already has a replacement. She ought to be scared.

Smedley
11-18-2007, 09:02 PM
I don't think the BB LE have anything to do with either of the cases, both are being handled by the Illinois State Poilce at this point.

That is even worse.

concernedperson
11-18-2007, 09:05 PM
That is even worse.

Could be but watching their P's and Q's would be paramount right night. We have Greta constantly on their tail and half the nation is watching too. I don't think it will be swept under the rug this time.

Smedley
11-18-2007, 10:14 PM
They already screwed up letting Baden get involved.


Could be but watching their P's and Q's would be paramount right night. We have Greta constantly on their tail and half the nation is watching too. I don't think it will be swept under the rug this time.

Mygirlsadie
11-18-2007, 10:21 PM
Yeah I know it is just grose! I think what she saw in him was a father figure...something I don't think she really had in her life. When I was 19 I was pursued by a man who was 48 I avoided him like the plague and even quit my job because of him..All I kept thinking when he would hit on me or bring me gifts was ewww you nasty old man!







snip


Hmmm...she was just a kid. PERVERT!! What did she see in him? YUCK.

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 10:33 AM
'I do' Drew might have it in for you
Just a little note of caution to lost souls looking for love

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/657050,CST-NWS-roep19.article

DeltaDawn
11-19-2007, 12:59 PM
I have not been able to be in chat when Ric Mims was there. Can anyone in chat during those times reiterate what Ric has had to say? I saw the one under chat, but not any others. Thank you

chicoliving
11-19-2007, 02:08 PM
I have not been able to be in chat when Ric Mims was there. Can anyone in chat during those times reiterate what Ric has had to say? I saw the one under chat, but not any others. Thank you

Here's a link to the partial chat log

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56353

TiaDaxxy1980
11-19-2007, 03:05 PM
Has anyone noticed Greta has not been posting as much info up to the date? I think she may be discouraged that DP is not offering to speak to her. I'm getting frustrated at the lack of progress the case is making. :-(

browneyedgirl
11-19-2007, 03:16 PM
I was thinking the same thing when I checked Greta's blog today at lunch.

Has anyone heard anything further in regards to TES? Have they left the area? Haven't been able to find anything on this just wondering........

ckwood32
11-19-2007, 03:54 PM
Now look what Drew is saying....
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312144,00.html

ckwood32
11-19-2007, 03:55 PM
His lawyer doesn't think he'll face charges!??

Taximom
11-19-2007, 03:55 PM
I was thinking the same thing when I checked Greta's blog today at lunch.

Has anyone heard anything further in regards to TES? Have they left the area? Haven't been able to find anything on this just wondering........

Ric Mims said they pulled out.

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 05:28 PM
His lawyer doesn't think he'll face charges!??

That is the usual lawyer speak. "There's no evidence", even though there is known circumstantial evidence and even though no one actually knows what evidence police have.

Tom'sGirl
11-19-2007, 05:35 PM
Ric Mims said they pulled out.

Yes, I read they will resume next Monday, after the Thanksgiving Holiday.

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 05:43 PM
Drew makes complaints about the media, but then gives his own interviews. Except for Greta. Anyone else think he is afraid of Greta? She is the main one he is complaining about.

The funny thing is, I really think most of the media coverage would have stopped before this if Drew P hadn't come out in his bandana. He made it so obvious that he was hiding from them that they just couldn't help themselves. And even if they would have stopped, the public doesn't want to miss a word or an action on this one. I know I get up every morning thinking "well I wonder what Drew P will do today!"

Vegas Bride
11-19-2007, 06:09 PM
He may not want to talk to Greta because she's a woman, I have a feeling he sees all women as being not worthy. I'm really wanting to learn more about his whole family dynamics with his parents and also why the 1 son has nothing to do with him.

VB

dee10134
11-19-2007, 06:14 PM
I don't believe it's because Greta's a woman. I think it may be because Greta does not have the same level of notoriety and fame that Giraldo and Matt Lauer have. Also, DP did an interview with a local female reporter in his own home (I cannot recall her name, but I'm pretty sure she was local)...

I think in DP's imagination, he's better than anyone and will only associate with people that HE feels are as great as he is. If that makes any sense?

SuziQ
11-19-2007, 06:25 PM
Yes, I read they will resume next Monday, after the Thanksgiving Holiday.

Equisearch? Or the ISP search?

SuziQ
11-19-2007, 06:36 PM
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drew.peterson.stacy.2.570736.html

(snip)
They have seen Illinois State Police looking for Stacy. Neighbors tell CBS 2 officers were in Shorewood Saturday asking about Peterson and asking if they had ever seen a GMC Yukon in Rosetto's driveway.

and

Elizabeth Lopez, Scott Rosetto's neighbor, said authorities left a yellow legal piece of paper with her that has a number of who to get a hold of. "He actually has a girlfriend that he's been involved with for a while." She said she doesn't think Peterson and Rosetto are involved.

******

Stacy drove a Pontiac. Drew drove a Yukon Denali. Why isn't LE asking about a Pontiac?

SeekingJana
11-19-2007, 06:46 PM
They already screwed up letting Baden get involved.

If there are other posts explaining this, please direct me to them and forgive me for asking, I couldn't find the answer to this. How is having Dr. Baden involved in Kathleen's latest autopsy considered to be a " screw up"? I'm asking because I don't understand. Thanks.

Maria

SuziQ
11-19-2007, 06:48 PM
Not sure who the below article refers to. ISP, ES, Family and friends? My understanding is too much politics and too many ego's got in the way of ES being able to do their job. And that they will not be back.

******

Peterson search takes break

For three weeks, volunteers have combed the landscape of the southwest suburbs looking for 23-year-old Stacy Peterson, but the search will be put on hold this week for Thanksgiving.

Roy Taylor, a family friend helping to lead the effort, said Sunday that searchers will continue to gather information, review maps of the area and coordinate a search planned for the weekend after Thanksgiving. Those who wish to continue looking for the missing mother of two are welcome to do so, Taylor added. (more at link)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson19nov19,0,4914134.story?coll=chi_tab01_lay out

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 06:52 PM
A commenter at Greta's left this info.

Be sure and read the court document- esp note the name and read the facts and background of the case.
http://www.ilnb.uscourts.gov/JudgeSquires/Opinions/99a00069.pdf

Trino
11-19-2007, 07:04 PM
If there are other posts explaining this, please direct me to them and forgive me for asking, I couldn't find the answer to this. How is having Dr. Baden involved in Kathleen's latest autopsy considered to be a " screw up"? I'm asking because I don't understand. Thanks.Maria

He's part of Greta's show. Greta has pretty much seen DP as the reason Stacy is missing. If the autoposy were to be truly independent, it should be someone independent of the news media.

Taximom
11-19-2007, 07:07 PM
A commenter at Greta's left this info.

Be sure and read the court document- esp note the name and read the facts and background of the case.
http://www.ilnb.uscourts.gov/JudgeSquires/Opinions/99a00069.pdf

OMG! You couldn't make this stuff up. Nobody would believe it.

"A daughter hospitalized for reasons related to the dissolution disputes between her parents" (Brodsky's)?

Wow. So much more. Thanks for the link.

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 07:18 PM
Has anyone notice that wife # 2 says she was threatened that Drew knew how to make a murder look like an accident?

Then Kathleen Savio allegedly tells her family that if she ever dies in an accident, she was murdered. Then she dies.

Then along comes Stacy. In early articles, family talked about how Stacy said if she ever disappeared for family to look for her? Then she disappears.

It is almost as though Drew P had thought for a while that 2 "accidents" might be suspicious, so he changed his threat and his actions accordingly.

DeltaDawn
11-19-2007, 07:24 PM
Here's a link to the partial chat log

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56353


Thank you Chicoliving..that was informative..hope he speaks out to Greta . She has been on the ground there and I think that she is someone he can trust.

Trino
11-19-2007, 07:27 PM
Here's a link to the partial chat log

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56353

Maybe it's time to find more about the corruption in BB. This is really scarey.

SeriouslySearching
11-19-2007, 07:41 PM
A few questions were answered here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56353)I am logged in, but everytime I click on one of the links posted...it takes me to the login screen. :waitasec: What is up with that, Chico? LOL I am dying to read the chat log!!

DeltaDawn
11-19-2007, 07:45 PM
I think that Drew was very evasive in today's Interview with Matt Lauer. Whenever a pertinent question came up the answer was no comment. Many of those questios dealt with Kitty's death and the recent autopsy. If he was truly innocent in Kitty's demise and in Stacy's there would have been no reason not to answer these questions. Infact as his defense he should have been able to say how much he missed them both, how he hoped Stacy was found soon...stec.
As controlling as he was, if the police can't find her why hasn't he hired his own private investigator? Why didn't he help in any of the searches? His behavior was not normal in his marriages and is not normal now for a spouse who'se wife is missing.

SeriouslySearching
11-19-2007, 07:47 PM
I must say I was so disgusted to hear Drew make the comment about losing 30 lbs. then going into his "comedy routine" about Jenny Craig. What a jerk! Again, it is all about himself and he goes into making inappropriate jokes when this is supposed to be about the mother of his children who is missing. Does he feel he is gaining support of the public by his humor?!

Doesn't he have the slightest clue how it truly makes him look?! Who in the hell cares how hard this is on him?!?! This is NOT a laughing matter either! How more calloused and cruel can this man prove himself to be on national television? He honestly must believe he is winning in the court of public opinion and could not be more wrong! If anything, this will all be played back during his trial to ensure the jury knows how he acted while everyone else was looking for his wife.

DeltaDawn
11-19-2007, 07:48 PM
As far as the autopsy goes Baden was asked by Kitty's family to do the autopsy..as someone independent from the current coroner. However the first coroner's results did not differ from what Baden found. The first coroner had no choice in the matter it was sent to a jury. The law has changed and had that happened now her death would have been ruled differently then an accident.

SeriouslySearching
11-19-2007, 07:53 PM
They already screwed up letting Baden get involved.I totally disagree with this. Having Dr. Baden do another autopsy at the family's request gives the family assurance they will have direct access to the findings and do not have to depend on LE to provide them with such. After all these years and tears, this family deserves to know EVERYTHING about the death of Kathleen. Hiring Baden was one of the most intelligent and beneficial things they have done in relation to her case.

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 07:57 PM
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drew.peterson.stacy.2.570736.html

(snip)
They have seen Illinois State Police looking for Stacy. Neighbors tell CBS 2 officers were in Shorewood Saturday asking about Peterson and asking if they had ever seen a GMC Yukon in Rosetto's driveway.

and

Elizabeth Lopez, Scott Rosetto's neighbor, said authorities left a yellow legal piece of paper with her that has a number of who to get a hold of. "He actually has a girlfriend that he's been involved with for a while." She said she doesn't think Peterson and Rosetto are involved.

******

Stacy drove a Pontiac. Drew drove a Yukon Denali. Why isn't LE asking about a Pontiac?

Wasn't it the car that the cadaver dog hit on?

The statement that he had had a girlfriend for a while, she doesn't say but I take it as she is talking about Rosetto that has a girlfriend.

SuziQ
11-19-2007, 07:59 PM
A commenter at Greta's left this info.

Be sure and read the court document- esp note the name and read the facts and background of the case.
http://www.ilnb.uscourts.gov/JudgeSquires/Opinions/99a00069.pdf

Wow, people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

SuziQ
11-19-2007, 08:02 PM
Wasn't it the car that the cadaver dog hit on?

The statement that he had had a girlfriend for a while, she doesn't say but I take it as she is talking about Rosetto that has a girlfriend.

LE refuses to comment on which car the cadaver dog hit on. Well I want to know!

SuziQ
11-19-2007, 08:07 PM
A commenter at Greta's left this info.

Be sure and read the court document- esp note the name and read the facts and background of the case.
http://www.ilnb.uscourts.gov/JudgeSquires/Opinions/99a00069.pdf

Did you see this one? Crossposted from another thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1804268&postcount=94

From I.B.Nora
Is this what you are looking for?

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11...ng-2/#comments (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/19/monday-morning-2/#comments)

Comment by laura
November 19th, 2007 at 11:47 am

when you really have no more to say about the suspect…try his attorney

On May 8, 2001 the Administrator filed a one-count complaint against Respondent Joel Alan Brodsky alleging that he forged a signature on bank forms in order to withdraw client funds from the bank, falsely endorsed a cashier’s check issued by the bank, failed to deposit the proceeds in a separate identifiable trust account and kept the funds for his own purposes. He was charged with the following misconduct:

conversion;

failure to deposit and maintain client funds in a separate identifiable trust account in violation of Rule 1.15(a) and 1.15(d) of the Illinois Rules of Professional Conduct;

committing a criminal act that reflects adversely on the lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness or fitness as a lawyer by committing the

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crime of forgery in violation of 720 ILCS 5/17-3 in violation of Rule 8.4(a)(3);

conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation in violation of Rule 8.4(a)(4);

conduct which tends to defeat the administration of justice or bring the courts or legal profession into disrepute in violation of Supreme Court Rule 771.

he was only suspended 3 months for this…have fun, bloggers

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 08:35 PM
LOL, no I had missed that one. From what is coming out of Greta it looks like Brodsky and Drew P may have a lot in common.

SuziQ
11-19-2007, 08:41 PM
LOL, no I had missed that one. From what is coming out of Greta it looks like Brodsky and Drew P may have a lot in common.

Looks like Drew didn't get any "good" takers from his appeal for a good attorney. I think he found this one at the local Bolingbrook strip mall. You know in between the tanning salon and the dollar store.

Leila
11-19-2007, 10:15 PM
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/drew.peterson.stacy.2.570736.html

(snip)
They have seen Illinois State Police looking for Stacy. Neighbors tell CBS 2 officers were in Shorewood Saturday asking about Peterson and asking if they had ever seen a GMC Yukon in Rosetto's driveway.

and

Elizabeth Lopez, Scott Rosetto's neighbor, said authorities left a yellow legal piece of paper with her that has a number of who to get a hold of. "He actually has a girlfriend that he's been involved with for a while." She said she doesn't think Peterson and Rosetto are involved.

******

Stacy drove a Pontiac. Drew drove a Yukon Denali. Why isn't LE asking about a Pontiac?

A very interesting detail in that article..........................

"He did say Peterson called him right before she vanished."

This is the brother of a man that Stacy dated prior to getting involved with and marrying DP. Why would DP be calling him right before Stacy vanished?

Leila
11-19-2007, 10:21 PM
I am logged in, but everytime I click on one of the links posted...it takes me to the login screen. :waitasec: What is up with that, Chico? LOL I am dying to read the chat log!!

I just had that happen to me too.........and I had been logged in as I've made a few posts.

Leila
11-19-2007, 10:24 PM
Maybe it's time to find more about the corruption in BB. This is really scarey.

I agree........I think the corruption in Bolingbrook might be the key as to why Kathleen's murder was classified as an "accident." There's been a number of posts on Gretawire from people in Bolingbrook, and they all agree there's corruption on the police department and other local officials.

Leila
11-19-2007, 10:33 PM
Wasn't it the car that the cadaver dog hit on?

The statement that he had had a girlfriend for a while, she doesn't say but I take it as she is talking about Rosetto that has a girlfriend.

Yes, it was Stacy's car that the cadaver dog hit on.

I took it to mean that Rossetto had a girlfriend he's been involved with for a while.

mysteriew
11-19-2007, 11:34 PM
A very interesting detail in that article..........................

"He did say Peterson called him right before she vanished."

This is the brother of a man that Stacy dated prior to getting involved with and marrying DP. Why would DP be calling him right before Stacy vanished?

Good point Leila. But I took it that Stacy Peterson called him.

After first being mentioned by full name once in the article, all persons are addressed only by their last name. Including Kathleen Savio.

Tom'sGirl
11-20-2007, 12:21 AM
Good point Leila. But I took it that Stacy Peterson called him.

After first being mentioned by full name once in the article, all persons are addressed only by their last name. Including Kathleen Savio.

Yes he said Stacy had called him.

SuziQ
11-20-2007, 12:31 AM
Yes, it was Stacy's car that the cadaver dog hit on.

I took it to mean that Rossetto had a girlfriend he's been involved with for a while.

IIRC, LE has refused to state which car the cadaver dog hit on.

Chi Town Legal Freak
11-20-2007, 12:39 AM
IIRC, LE has refused to state which car the cadaver dog hit on.

Suzi,

Is there a link to this? I tried to pull up CBS and it gave me Kathleen Savio's story.

mysteriew
11-20-2007, 12:49 AM
SusieQ, you are right LE has not confirmed. But I believe that info was told by a neighbor- they were all out watching during the search.

SuziQ
11-20-2007, 01:34 AM
Suzi,

Is there a link to this? I tried to pull up CBS and it gave me Kathleen Savio's story.

It is in the vid or transcript for the presser. A reporter asked which car the cadaver dog hit on and the response was, IIRC, we can't answer that.

Trino
11-20-2007, 11:34 AM
Stacy has been missing for over three weeks. How much more time is LE willing to devote to looking for Stacy, especially as the weather turns cold?

SuziQ
11-20-2007, 01:32 PM
A good site for all info on the Peterson case:

http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/index.html

mysteriew
11-20-2007, 02:27 PM
Stories of lost so terrible, too easy to forget

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-schmich_bd18nov18,1,2403140.column?coll=chi_news_l ocal_util

I have to comment on the above article and others that I have seen today. There is talk of a "media sensation" of "entertainment" and other descriptions. But by keeping these women's names going, perhaps there is a chance of promoting some awareness of the problem of domestic violence. We think of physical crime as a problem that happens in other crime ridden neighborhoods. But DV crosses all classes, all races, all religions. It can and does happen in all kinds of neighborhoods and communities large and small. And it affects more than just the victim and their families. It affects our workplaces and our communities.

SeriouslySearching
11-20-2007, 02:46 PM
Stacy has been missing for over three weeks. How much more time is LE willing to devote to looking for Stacy, especially as the weather turns cold?Even if LE doesn't continue their search...I am sure the family will. However, I think LE knows they have to exhaust every available avenue before they discontinue looking for her because of the scrutiny being put on them due to Savio's case now. They cannot afford to stop searching too soon. They have to unturn every stone possible.

mysteriew
11-20-2007, 02:46 PM
INTERVIEW A 'COMPLETE DISASTER'
SPOKESWOMAN: DREW PETERSON'S TELEVISION APPEARANCES UPSET FAMILY OF HIS MISSING WIFE
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/658571,4_1_JO20_MISSING_S1.article

mysteriew
11-20-2007, 02:52 PM
-- In an exclusive interview with NBC5's Alex Perez, Drew Peterson said he feels like a victim of scrutiny and uninformed public opinion.
snip~"All these women are saying negative things about me, but at one time, I was good enough to marry," he said
sniip~Meanwhile, sources said Peterson's friend, Rick Mims, who initially supported Peterson but later questioned him, is considering an offer to write a book about this case.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/14643552/detail.html

Drew P a victim???? More like a :liar:

mysteriew
11-20-2007, 02:59 PM
ONLINE POLL: Do you think the Peterson story has been portrayed fairly by the media?

http://www.chicagosuburbannews.com/oakbrook/homepage/x715648946

TiaDaxxy1980
11-20-2007, 03:26 PM
SHOW YOUR SUPPORT!

GIVE STACY'S FAMILY SOMETHING TO BE THANKFUL FOR!!!
LET'S TRY TO GET STACY'S PAGE UP TO 5,000 FRIENDS BY THANKSGIVING.

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browneyedgirl
11-20-2007, 04:08 PM
I am curious whether or not Drew was planning on retirement before Stacy went missing? Does anyone know or heard anything about this?

I am curious to know whether or not this has been in the works for a while, thinking he would be cleared of any wrong doing on the allegations brought against him, or if this was just a spur of the moment thing after this case made the airwaves?

I know he has made comments about having the children provided for, if something were to happen to him, and guardianship has been taken care of as well......just makes me think "flight risk"

Maybe he's planning on being gone by the time the endictment has been handed down.

JerzWhim
11-20-2007, 04:13 PM
I am curious whether or not Drew was planning on retirement before Stacy went missing? Does anyone know or heard anything about this?

It would help to know if his department has a minimum notification requirement. In the NYPD, an officer must submit a request to retire 30 days prior to his/her last working day.

Bigfoot
11-20-2007, 04:24 PM
I recall hearing that he had only eleven days until retirement, and that was when they were first reporting Stacy as missing.

Tom'sGirl
11-20-2007, 04:36 PM
[quote=browneyedgirl;1806409]I am curious whether or not Drew was planning on retirement before Stacy went missing? Does anyone know or heard anything about this?


I don't know how it works in Illinois, but our here unless you were told to retire for certain reasons you have to submit a letter of Intent to Retire and stipulate the date. You are then given your Retirement options as to benifits, etc. I think he had this in the works for some time, just a guess though.

DebC
11-20-2007, 05:02 PM
I am curious whether or not Drew was planning on retirement before Stacy went missing? Does anyone know or heard anything about this?

I am curious to know whether or not this has been in the works for a while, thinking he would be cleared of any wrong doing on the allegations brought against him, or if this was just a spur of the moment thing after this case made the airwaves?

I know he has made comments about having the children provided for, if something were to happen to him, and guardianship has been taken care of as well......just makes me think "flight risk"

Maybe he's planning on being gone by the time the endictment has been handed down.

BEG,
I'm afraid I'm not so generous of 'he's innocent' as you. And I'm English. I think he retired to STOP the internal investigation from going any further than it had. He resigned. It stopped. I think if the internal investigation had gone any further, he would have been dismissed from the force and lost his pension. As for flight? It would not surprise me in the least. Leave the kids, as he has done so since this broke. Who do you think was with the kids when he flew to NY?

SuziQ
11-20-2007, 06:01 PM
IIRC, one of Stacy's family members said Stacy asked Drew for a divorce months ago and Drew asked her to wait till he retired. The retirement was in the works. Interestingly, Drew was only two days from retirement when he handed in his resignation. So why the rush? Unless Drew was convicted of a job related felony in those two days, he was going to get his pension. The only thing the resignation stopped were the two internal PD investigations. And don't forget, the Mayor was REAL quick accepting Drews resignation.

grace60
11-20-2007, 06:08 PM
IIRC, one of Stacy's family members said Stacy asked Drew for a divorce months ago and Drew asked her to wait till he retired. The retirement was in the works. Interestingly, Drew was only two days from retirement when he handed in his resignation. So why the rush? Unless Drew was convicted of a job related felony in those two days, he was going to get his pension. The only thing the resignation stopped were the two internal PD investigations. And don't forget, the Mayor was REAL quick accepting Drews resignation.

He may very well have agreed to the divorce months ago thinking it would give him time to "win back her heart" or figure out how to get rid of her.

Leila
11-20-2007, 06:09 PM
Good point Leila. But I took it that Stacy Peterson called him.

After first being mentioned by full name once in the article, all persons are addressed only by their last name. Including Kathleen Savio.

Thanks for the correction. :) If Stacy called Rossetto just before she went missing, the only thing I can think of is she was looking for help, and thought Rossetto was someone who could help her. There was one article that stated that Rossetto isn't a suspect and what he told LE is being kept confidential. I have to think that there's something there that's important.

TGIRecovered
11-20-2007, 06:13 PM
I don't believe he had any intention of sharing his retirement in a divorce settlement. Leila's right-he needed time to plan how to get rid of her.

Susan

TGIRecovered
11-20-2007, 06:17 PM
I wonder if there is something special about Rossetto's line of work which would be helpful to her, like, LE from a different jurisdiction, or a minister or counselor or financial advisor. Maybe he does PI work. I wish I could find out what he does for a living!

Susan

Tom'sGirl
11-20-2007, 06:22 PM
I wonder if there is something special about Rossetto's line of work which would be helpful to her, like, LE from a different jurisdiction, or a minister or counselor or financial advisor. Maybe he does PI work. I wish I could find out what he does for a living!

Susan
From the photo of him standing in the doorway with his hand on the door I observed his hand/nails appeared to be that of someone who worked with his hands.

Littledeer
11-20-2007, 06:45 PM
As a general rule of thumb, most places (either governmental or non-governmental) require at least 30 days notice prior to retirement or resigning.

Once that is done, after the last day of work, the employee then submits his request to the Pension Plan to receive benefits. The Pension Plan then submits a letter of inquiry to the place of employment requesting the date that the person last worked, his last pay amount and date of payment, etc. This form has to be notorized and sent back to the Pension Plan.

He won't be getting his first payment for at least a month or two. Don't know what the rules are if he is charged with a felony prior to the first payment being sent to him.

Camper
11-20-2007, 06:52 PM
My mailman just brought my mail to the door. My Enquirer came. The headlines say that the police found Stacey's secret diary. Hmmm.

Will read later and report unless someone else already has one. It is a three page article with pics.

.

Littledeer
11-20-2007, 07:02 PM
Enquirer??? If that's the "National Enquirer":

Read everything with a grain of salt! :)

SuziQ
11-20-2007, 07:25 PM
As a general rule of thumb, most places (either governmental or non-governmental) require at least 30 days notice prior to retirement or resigning.

Once that is done, after the last day of work, the employee then submits his request to the Pension Plan to receive benefits. The Pension Plan then submits a letter of inquiry to the place of employment requesting the date that the person last worked, his last pay amount and date of payment, etc. This form has to be notorized and sent back to the Pension Plan.

He won't be getting his first payment for at least a month or two. Don't know what the rules are if he is charged with a felony prior to the first payment being sent to him.

Unfortunately the pension was voted on by "the board" last Thursday night and it's a done deal. The only thing that would have stopped it is a job related felony conviction prior to the pension being granted.

SuziQ
11-20-2007, 07:27 PM
I wonder if there is something special about Rossetto's line of work which would be helpful to her, like, LE from a different jurisdiction, or a minister or counselor or financial advisor. Maybe he does PI work. I wish I could find out what he does for a living!

Susan

I am curious about the same thing. I think Stacy reached out to him for help. She did that with Pam the Thursday before she disappeared. She wanted to know if she could rent a rental property Pam owned. But Pam had already rented it out.

Littledeer
11-20-2007, 07:31 PM
thanks camper for the info. I thought maybe the Pension Board could revoke any payments PRIOR to the first payment being sent if there was a charge put against him.

Tristen07
11-20-2007, 08:07 PM
SHOW YOUR SUPPORT!

GIVE STACY'S FAMILY SOMETHING TO BE THANKFUL FOR!!!
LET'S TRY TO GET STACY'S PAGE UP TO 5,000 FRIENDS BY THANKSGIVING.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l246/taw81280/BringStacyHome.gif

I could not find an add button on her site???

itsreenw
11-20-2007, 08:19 PM
My mailman just brought my mail to the door. My Enquirer came. The headlines say that the police found Stacey's secret diary. Hmmm.

Will read later and report unless someone else already has one. It is a three page article with pics.

.Camper, don't tease us like that. LOL. Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!!!!!!!

Camper
11-20-2007, 09:41 PM
thanks camper for the info. I thought maybe the Pension Board could revoke any payments PRIOR to the first payment being sent if there was a charge put against him.



--->>>Sorry SuziQ gave you the information not me.

.

Leila
11-20-2007, 09:50 PM
IIRC, one of Stacy's family members said Stacy asked Drew for a divorce months ago and Drew asked her to wait till he retired. The retirement was in the works. Interestingly, Drew was only two days from retirement when he handed in his resignation. So why the rush? Unless Drew was convicted of a job related felony in those two days, he was going to get his pension. The only thing the resignation stopped were the two internal PD investigations. And don't forget, the Mayor was REAL quick accepting Drews resignation.

I think the mayor may have wanted those investigations stopped for personal reasons. The investigations might have uncovered something the mayor didn't want uncovered.

Leila
11-20-2007, 09:52 PM
I wonder if there is something special about Rossetto's line of work which would be helpful to her, like, LE from a different jurisdiction, or a minister or counselor or financial advisor. Maybe he does PI work. I wish I could find out what he does for a living!

Susan

I agree.........it may be his line of work that would have helped Stacy.

Camper
11-20-2007, 10:09 PM
Camper, don't tease us like that. LOL. Inquiring minds want to know!!!!!!!!!!!




--->>>Well the cover page headline says "Cop's Missing Wife: Her Secret Diary Found". BUT BUT when you start reading the article inside you realize it has not been found but there was one. Story says Stacey began the diary three weeks before she went missing.

Article says, "Now, in a startling breakthrough, The Enquirer has learned that three weeks before she vanished, Stacy started keeping a diary in which she chronicled the violent fights between her and her police sergeant husband. And that diary of horror could put him behind bars for murder, say sources."

"I know Stacy kept a diary", friend Steve Cesare said.

Article says, "The Illinois mom - whose Oct 28 disappearance made national headlines - was urged by her aunt, Candac Aikin, to keep a record of her suffering."[/B]

My words here, Candace said that Stacy had bruises all ove her when she was pregnant with her son Anthony who is 4 now.

Further in the first page, The Enquirer sorta backtracks on their headline by saying this, [B]"While The Enquirer has confirmed the existence of the diary and uncovered some of its likely ocntents, Cesare added that are still searching for Stacy's writings."

Article answers some questions I had asked earlier, Kathleens children by DP are Thomas and Kris, 15 and 12 respectively.

Something I did not know was that Kathleen and DP had divorced and were battling in court over financial matters and property BEFORE she died. So that answered partially anyway, why it was not DP who found her body in the bathtub, but on the other hand how or why did DP's friend find her dead body??

Anyone know the answer to that one???

Comment: WS is doing funky things while trying to post, so not sure how it will turn out when I hit submit.

.

maureeng
11-20-2007, 11:31 PM
Hi,
I consolidated your posts regarding the timeline to update as much as possible. Hope it is helpful.

Updated timeline 11/19/07.

1985 DP fired from Bollingbrook PD, 1986 reinstated by a judge
4/28/93 Kathleen Savio visits the Hinsdale Hospital ER
http://www.amw.com/pdf/petersonemergency.pdf (http://www.amw.com/pdf/petersonemergency.pdf)
1997 Kathleen Savio receives anon. letters stating her husband is having an affair
3/11/1998- Christie Marie Cales goes missing from Blue Island IL at age 40. She lost a daughter in 1982 and another in 1987
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300823S (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300823S)
2000 or 2001 or before - Stacy Cales meets DP
2002- States attorney says Drew was convinced their office to press and prosecute two DV charges against Kathleen. She was found innocent at trial.
11/14/2002, Kathleen Savio writes letter to States Attorney
http://www.amw.com/pdf/petersonletter.pdf (http://www.amw.com/pdf/petersonletter.pdf)
2003, Kathleen tried to press charges against DP in States Attorneys office without success. S.A. recently stated that it is unusual.
3/11/2002, Kathleen Savio files Order of Protection
http://www.amw.com/pdf/peter001.PDF (http://www.amw.com/pdf/peter001.PDF)
DP and Kathleen Savio's divorce finalized, October 10th 2003, but property settlement is not resolved.
10/18/03 Stacy and DP marry
3/1/2004 Kathleen Savio drowns in her bathtub
Kathleen Savio bathtub
http://video.nbc5.com/player/?id=182390 (http://video.nbc5.com/player/?id=182390)
10/17/2007 Stacey sends marriage problems email to Steve Cesare
http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanb....2.482031.html (http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanb....2.482031.html)
10/28/07 SP is missing. The last person to speak to her (other than DP) is Bruce Zidarich, who speaks with her over the cell phone at 10 AM to discuss painting the next day. He tries to reach her and gets her voicemail at 4PM. Cassandra reports her sister missing at 4AM on Oct. 29th. http://cbs2chicago.com/national/Stacy.Peterson.missing.2.481045.html (http://cbs2chicago.com/national/Stacy.Peterson.missing.2.481045.html)
Oct. 30th, SA James Glasgow says he is re-opening the Savio case
11/1/07 Searches conducted of DP’s house. Cadaver dogs get a hit in the bedroom and cars.
11/2 Peterson comments
http://www.nbc5.com/news/14474620/detail.html (http://www.nbc5.com/news/14474620/detail.html)
DP’s plane is a 2 seater aerolight like the following
http://www.solowings.com/products/products.html
11/3 SP’s plane checked out
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/633460,CST-NWS-boling03.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/633460,CST-NWS-boling03.article)
11/5 Sister suspicious
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/05/national/main3451947.shtml?source=search_story (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/05/national/main3451947.shtml?source=search_story)
11/6/07 Texas Equusearch becomes involved
11/6 Kathleen’s assets/will
court filings tell the story
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/636553,4_1_JO06_MISSING_S2.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/636553,4_1_JO06_MISSING_S2.article)
Nov. 7: Will County Coroner Patrick O'Neil disputes ruling that the death of Kathleen Savio, Sgt. Drew Peterson's third wife, was an accident
Nov. 9th, 2007- Police name Drew Peterson an official suspect in the investigation of the disappearance of his wife, Stacy Peterson.
http://www.nbc5.com/news/14553153/de...l?dl=mainclick (http://www.nbc5.com/news/14553153/de...l?dl=mainclick)
11/9 Reporter tour of home
http://colbyfiles.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/09 (http://colbyfiles.blogs.foxnews.com/2007/11/09)
11/10 Ric Mims expressing concerns
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5756198 (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5756198)
11/11 Stacy had a rough life
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/644521,CST-NWS-boling11.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/644521,CST-NWS-boling11.article)
11/11 husband’s story vague
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/644925,4_1_JO11_MISSING_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/644925,4_1_JO11_MISSING_S1.article)
11/12 Media is terrorizing my children, searchers believe they are looking for a body, Peterson’s friend – we all know she’s dead
http://www.daylife.com/article/00Ty5nzcGMgzG (http://www.daylife.com/article/00Ty5nzcGMgzG)
11/ 13 nephew believes he did it
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/kathleen.savio.exhumation.2.566281html (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/kathleen.savio.exhumation.2.566281html)
11/13 Ric Mims conversation, blue box, concerns about girlfriend, Monika’s brother who hung himself – DP was first on scene – brother did not approve of the relationship
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/page/8 (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/page/8)
11/14 Kathleen Savio
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071114/ap_on_re_us/police_officer_s_wife;_ylt=AvwiEGpiZGHvzGhbA_R15Ih H2ocA (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071114/ap_on_re_us/police_officer_s_wife;_ylt=AvwiEGpiZGHvzGhbA_R15Ih H2ocA)
Peterson’s appearance on NBC
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/kathleen.savio.autopsy.2.567280.html (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/kathleen.savio.autopsy.2.567280.html)
Access to interviews with Peterson and Matt Lauer
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=98456f87-5fda-422e-a4c2-285b8e94a648 (http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&brand=msnbc&vid=98456f87-5fda-422e-a4c2-285b8e94a648)
Article about 2nd Matt Lauer interview 11/19
http://www.nbc5.com/news/14636236/detail.html?dl=mainclick (http://www.nbc5.com/news/14636236/detail.html?dl=mainclick)
11/14 Appearance on TV a mistake
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/kathleen.savio.autopsy.2.567280.html (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/kathleen.savio.autopsy.2.567280.html)
11/15 Grand jury
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_15_nov15,0,71593,full.story?coll=chi_tab0 1_layout (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_15_nov15,0,71593,full.story?coll=chi_tab0 1_layout)
11/16 Stacy’s uncle – Today appearance was to get a lawyer
http://www.nbc5.com/family/14606104/detail.html?dl=mainclick (http://www.nbc5.com/family/14606104/detail.html?dl=mainclick)
11/16 Did police protect DP
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3874806&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3874806&page=1)
11/16 Peterson’s wife recalls threats
http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/friday/chi-peterson_16_nov16,0,1765221.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/friday/chi-peterson_16_nov16,0,1765221.story)

11/17 First wife from David Brown
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/655142,111707boling.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/655142,111707boling.article)
11/18 Peterson allows reporter into home
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5768354 (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5768354)
11/18 –Stacy seeking help from Scott Rosetto
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/655554,CST-NWS-boling18.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/655554,CST-NWS-boling18.article)
11/18 Sister couldn’t do this anymore
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew_bd_18nov18,1,2715802.story?ctrack=2&cset=true (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew_bd_18nov18,1,2715802.story?ctrack=2&cset=true)
11/18 Stacy’s early relationship presaged the future
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3882766&page=1 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3882766&page=1)
11/18 DP says he lost 30 lbs.
11/19 Need for control article
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew_bd_18nov18,1,2715802.story?page=2&cset=true&ctrack=1 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-drew_bd_18nov18,1,2715802.story?page=2&cset=true&ctrack=1)
Nov 19 Peterson’s second wife recalls – taping, cheating, deception
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_16_nov16,1,5731711.story?track=rss&page=2&ctrack=1&cset=true (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_16_nov16,1,5731711.story?track=rss&page=2&ctrack=1&cset=true)
11/19 first wife and NBC with DP
http://www.wbbm780.com/On-TV-This-Morning:-The-Peterson-Story/1226935 (http://www.wbbm780.com/On-TV-This-Morning:-The-Peterson-Story/1226935)
(http://www.amw.com/pdf/peter001.PDF)

Tom'sGirl
11-20-2007, 11:57 PM
Hi,
I consolidated your posts regarding the timeline to update as much as possible. Hope it is helpful.

Updated timeline 11/19/07.

Nice job maureeng, would you consider posting it also at the TimeLine link for reference
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1788246&postcount=1

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 12:03 AM
Nice job maureeng, would you consider posting it also at the TimeLine link for reference
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1788246&postcount=1

I agree, great job! And welcome to WS!

Sedona
11-21-2007, 12:09 AM
Fantastic time line there :clap:

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 12:22 AM
Maureeng that is an excellent timeline! Welcome to WS and I sure do hope you are staying around!

BarnGoddess
11-21-2007, 12:35 AM
--->>>Well the cover page headline says "Cop's Missing Wife: Her Secret Diary Found". BUT BUT when you start reading the article inside you realize it has not been found but there was one. Story says Stacey began the diary three weeks before she went missing.

Article says, "Now, in a startling breakthrough, The Enquirer has learned that three weeks before she vanished, Stacy started keeping a diary in which she chronicled the violent fights between her and her police sergeant husband. And that diary of horror could put him behind bars for murder, say sources."

"I know Stacy kept a diary", friend Steve Cesare said.

Article says, "The Illinois mom - whose Oct 28 disappearance made national headlines - was urged by her aunt, Candac Aikin, to keep a record of her suffering."[/b]

My words here, Candace said that Stacy had bruises all ove her when she was pregnant with her son Anthony who is 4 now.

Further in the first page, The Enquirer sorta backtracks on their headline by saying this, [B]"While The Enquirer has confirmed the existence of the diary and uncovered some of its likely ocntents, Cesare added that are still searching for Stacy's writings."

Article answers some questions I had asked earlier, Kathleens children by DP are Thomas and Kris, 15 and 12 respectively.

Something I did not know was that Kathleen and DP had divorced and were battling in court over financial matters and property BEFORE she died. So that answered partially anyway, why it was not DP who found her body in the bathtub, but on the other hand how or why did DP's friend find her dead body??

Anyone know the answer to that one???

Comment: WS is doing funky things while trying to post, so not sure how it will turn out when I hit submit.

.
Camper, if this is the Nov 26th issue, I picked it up at the grocery store yesterday.

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 12:48 AM
Further in the first page, The Enquirer sorta backtracks on their headline by saying this, [B]"While The Enquirer has confirmed the existence of the diary and uncovered some of its likely ocntents, Cesare added that are still searching for Stacy's writings."

[quote]
Article answers some questions I had asked earlier, Kathleens children by DP are Thomas and Kris, 15 and 12 respectively.


They're 13 and 14 years of age Camper

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 01:25 AM
The Grand Jury is going on tomorrow and they will be hearing witnesses from this case. And I am going to be out of town with no internet access :eek: :hand: :crazy:

Taximom
11-21-2007, 01:28 AM
Hi,
I consolidated your posts regarding the timeline to update as much as possible. Hope it is helpful.

Updated timeline 11/19/07.


What an awesome thing to do, maureeng! Welcome to WS. What do you think about this case?

close_enough
11-21-2007, 01:44 AM
thanks maureen!!!....great job!...can you post this on the "timeline" thread also?:)

eta...i went ahead & copied it over to the timeline thread..hope it's ok...wasn't sure, with all the links, it would work, but it did :)

awesome first post, maureen:)
welcome!

Camper
11-21-2007, 07:21 AM
[quote=Camper;1807056]

Further in the first page, The Enquirer sorta backtracks on their headline by saying this, [B]"While The Enquirer has confirmed the existence of the diary and uncovered some of its likely ocntents, Cesare added that are still searching for Stacy's writings."



They're 13 and 14 years of age Camper


--->>>Thanks Tom'sGirl. My information was taken 'directly' from The Enquirer. Wonder what else they have wrong!!

I quote my original post again ->Article answers some questions I had asked earlier, "Kathleens children by DP are Thomas and Kris, 15 and 12 respectively."

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DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 09:50 AM
The reason Drew's friend Steve went in and found Kitty's body first was because Drew asked him to go in first with a neighbor. Then Drew heard screams, from the neighbor lady and ran in. Drew says he didn't go in first because Kitty did not want Drew in her house because she felt he might steal things, plant bugs, etc.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 09:52 AM
As far as Stacy's journal goes I wonder two things: Was it an online journal, if so the police have probably found it and two if it was on paper Drew probably found it and it went with Stacy when he disposed of the body.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 10:28 AM
I was thinking that possibly Rossetto owned a car repair service or something like that. Remember the social service worker that came forward in the beginning talking about Stacy having a fender bender in a parking lot with him? He said she seemed very afraid of Drew and wanted him to settle this outside insurance co and she would pay.

I thought maybe Rossetto was the person who did the repairs for them, and she knew him previously through his bother. Police have said that he was not a boyfriend, etc.

Taximom
11-21-2007, 10:36 AM
The reason Drew's friend Steve went in and found Kitty's body first was because Drew asked him to go in first with a neighbor. Then Drew heard screams, from the neighbor lady and ran in. Drew says he didn't go in first because Kitty did not want Drew in her house because she felt he might steal things, plant bugs, etc.

And Drew asked his friend to go in because he knew she was dead and would probably laugh too hard, being the joker he is.

SeriouslySearching
11-21-2007, 10:41 AM
The reason Drew's friend Steve went in and found Kitty's body first was because Drew asked him to go in first with a neighbor. Then Drew heard screams, from the neighbor lady and ran in. Drew says he didn't go in first because Kitty did not want Drew in her house because she felt he might steal things, plant bugs, etc.I find it quite telling he would say such things. My first thought was...the reason she felt those things...are because they were true, but isn't it curious HE would mention them at all?!

He probably did steal things and plant bugs in her home. Drew isn't the type to just "let go" of any relationship and lose the control he has over the other person. He will make sure he stays in their life (as he does popping up in the life of wife #2 still) and keeps their level of fear going.

This is the very top reason his story about Stacy makes absolutely NO sense. He would NEVER allow a woman to "dis" him like that and just let her go away with no consequences of her actions. He is Judge, Jury, and Executioner in every relationship.

SeriouslySearching
11-21-2007, 10:43 AM
I was thinking that possibly Rossetto owned a car repair service or something like that. Remember the social service worker that came forward in the beginning talking about Stacy having a fender bender in a parking lot with him? He said she seemed very afraid of Drew and wanted him to settle this outside insurance co and she would pay.

I thought maybe Rossetto was the person who did the repairs for them, and she knew him previously through his bother. Police have said that he was not a boyfriend, etc.Hmmmm...interesting idea! This might have some merit!

Camper
11-21-2007, 10:52 AM
The reason Drew's friend Steve went in and found Kitty's body first was because Drew asked him to go in first with a neighbor. Then Drew heard screams, from the neighbor lady and ran in. Drew says he didn't go in first because Kitty did not want Drew in her house because she felt he might steal things, plant bugs, etc.




--->>>What was the circumstance of Drew even going to Kathleens house that day???

One of my childrens divorce was so antagonistic, with undocumented words flying that my son had his attorney require that words about 'matters' other than the children would be discussed only by email. Things that needed working out about the children could be discussed by telephone.

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DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 11:04 AM
Drew had not been able to reach Kitty and he went to her house to return the children, it was his weekend to have the boys and it was their return time. When she didn't answer the door or her phone he got suspicious he said. So he went home called Steve, another neighbor and a locksmith. The locksmith arrived before Steve, according to Steve. So Drew had Steve and the neighbor go in first, heard the screams and then he came in. Fishy story if I ever heard one.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 11:08 AM
If Drew was going to murder Kitty it is my opinion he would have done the job at time when he had the boys, so that he knew they were out of the house and not about to walk in during Kitty's murder.

He also stated the last time he saw or spoke with her was about 2 days before..which fits in with the timeline of her dying about 30 to 40 hours prior to her being found that evening.

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 11:35 AM
If Drew was going to murder Kitty it is my opinion he would have done the job at time when he had the boys, so that he knew they were out of the house and not about to walk in during Kitty's murder.

He also stated the last time he saw or spoke with her was about 2 days before..which fits in with the timeline of her dying about 30 to 40 hours prior to her being found that evening.

I really think Drew thought someone else would find Kitty. When he had to return the boys, time ran out and he had to switch to the he's concerned and couldn't get ahold of her and needs to return the boys script.

SeriouslySearching
11-21-2007, 11:35 AM
Drew had not been able to reach Kitty and he went to her house to return the children, it was his weekend to have the boys and it was their return time. When she didn't answer the door or her phone he got suspicious he said. So he went home called Steve, another neighbor and a locksmith. The locksmith arrived before Steve, according to Steve. So Drew had Steve and the neighbor go in first, heard the screams and then he came in. Fishy story if I ever heard one.The fact he insisted Steve go in WITH one of Kathleen's best friends makes it even more suspicious.

If he was there to return the children...where were they? He would not have suspected really there was anything wrong that he couldn't reach her other than she wasn't home since it wasn't her weekend with the kids...so why go to all the trouble of getting a locksmith, etc. Did she keep her car in the garage? I think so since she accused him once of changing the code to the opener. He couldn't see if she was home or not! He had no reason to "suspect" something was so very wrong...unless he already knew beforehand.

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 11:38 AM
The fact he insisted Steve go in WITH one of Kathleen's best friends makes it even more suspicious.

If he was there to return the children...where were they? He would not have suspected really there was anything wrong that he couldn't reach her other than she wasn't home since it wasn't her weekend with the kids...so why go to all the trouble of getting a locksmith, etc. Did she keep her car in the garage? He couldn't see if she was home or not! I think so since she accused him once of changing the code to the opener. He had no reason to "suspect" something was so very wrong...unless he already knew beforehand.

Drew claims that he tried to call Kitty all weekend. Why? And are their phone records that far back?

Another thing about the boob job, etc. Is their any proof of this? Or is BS that Drew is coming up with?

browneyedgirl
11-21-2007, 11:48 AM
BEG,
I'm afraid I'm not so generous of 'he's innocent' as you. And I'm English. I think he retired to STOP the internal investigation from going any further than it had. He resigned. It stopped. I think if the internal investigation had gone any further, he would have been dismissed from the force and lost his pension. As for flight? It would not surprise me in the least. Leave the kids, as he has done so since this broke. Who do you think was with the kids when he flew to NY?

I apologize for this misunderstanding. I did not mean in ANY way that I believe that he is innocent. I believe that he is the farthest thing from it.....I was trying to make the point that it seems odd to me that he already has things planned out, in case something were to happen to him, ie...jail,taking an unexpected vacation.
What I am trying to say is this, I think it's "fishy" that he already has all of these plans made which leads me to believe that 1 of 2 things are going to happen. A) He knows he will get indicted for KS murder and looking at jail time or B) He's made plans to leave and leave the children behind.

Bigfoot
11-21-2007, 11:50 AM
DP talked about the boob job, braces, tummy tuck - all things that Stacy allegedly wanted - on one of the tv talk shows. Someone who personally knows DP and Stacy had told me about the boob job the first day she went missing - among other things - mostly about how he wanted a trophy wife etc.

browneyedgirl
11-21-2007, 11:51 AM
IIRC, one of Stacy's family members said Stacy asked Drew for a divorce months ago and Drew asked her to wait till he retired. The retirement was in the works. Interestingly, Drew was only two days from retirement when he handed in his resignation. So why the rush? Unless Drew was convicted of a job related felony in those two days, he was going to get his pension. The only thing the resignation stopped were the two internal PD investigations. And don't forget, the Mayor was REAL quick accepting Drews resignation.

Exactly, SuziQ. Which is why I believe was the reason for the resignation in the first place. Trying to stay 1 step ahead of LE and trying to minimize the abuse of the badge that was going to come from the internal investigation.:twocents:

browneyedgirl
11-21-2007, 11:53 AM
DP talked about the boob job, braces, tummy tuck - all things that Stacy allegedly wanted - on one of the tv talk shows. Someone who personally knows DP and Stacy had told me about the boob job the first day she went missing - among other things - mostly about how he wanted a trophy wife etc.

That comment makes sense with the other things we've come to know about his personality. It has always struck me how much all the wives look alike. Especially, IMO, I think SP looks alot like a young version of KS.
What a nut job he is.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 11:55 AM
Drew probably thought that her current boyfriend, which has never been proven by any one else, would find her or one of her friends would find her. I don't think he thought that she would just lie there in the tub for almost 2 days and not be found. I think he had alibis prepared incase she was found while he had the boys. He probably spent more time with the boys that weekend then he ever did before or has since.

browneyedgirl
11-21-2007, 11:58 AM
I find it quite telling he would say such things. My first thought was...the reason she felt those things...are because they were true, but isn't it curious HE would mention them at all?!

He probably did steal things and plant bugs in her home. Drew isn't the type to just "let go" of any relationship and lose the control he has over the other person. He will make sure he stays in their life (as he does popping up in the life of wife #2 still) and keeps their level of fear going.

This is the very top reason his story about Stacy makes absolutely NO sense. He would NEVER allow a woman to "dis" him like that and just let her go away with no consequences of her actions.
:clap: :clap: :clap: He is Judge, Jury, and Executioner in every relationship.

I couldn't agree more.

Taximom
11-21-2007, 11:59 AM
My ex would have been P.O.'d if I weren't home when he brought our daughter back from visitation. He would have left a few messages probably starting with impatience then building to anger. Then he would have turned around and taken her back to his place till he heard from me.

That's what bothers me about the whole "breaking in" deal with KS. We know he wasn't the most easy-going guy and I can't see him being concerned about KS, unless he already knew what had happened and was just faking the concern.

ETA: This comment should probably be on the KS thread!

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 12:02 PM
Notice his so called concern for his children and saying that they are stuck in the house. Well, he has said the older 2 go to school everyday. He leaves on his bike everyday to just ride he says. Why doesn't he have his brother cme over and take the kids out for a drive to get the little ones out of the house? Or why hasn't he called the small children's friends parents and asked if other children could come to play or his kids might go there to play? He doesn't seem to be knocking himself out taking care of the younger too or even looking for ways to get them out with their little friends and family. In one interview he said they did go to a party this weekend and that was good for the little ones. Well, they could have been visisting other children everyday if Drew took the time to arrange that.

I know the reporters have been very respectful of not taking pics of the older two children as they leave for school in the morning. I think friends of the family would be more then happy to entertain the two little ones..especially Stacy's sister..so what's the problem Drew..is it just you don't know how to take care of the kids so they can live a somewhat normal life until Mommy's vacation has ended?

Camper
11-21-2007, 12:16 PM
Help me out here with my thinking please,

I have forgotten the date of death for KS, or I could have done the math on my thought.

IF IF DP was bringing the children back to KS after his weekend with them, were the children old enough to have had the number combination to the lock or a key of their own?? So access might have been possible to go inside and see IF IF there might have been a note or something?

Did KS have a cell phone back then OR did DP have a cell phone?

Just a hair brained thought perhaps.

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DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 12:18 PM
DP talked about the boob job, braces, tummy tuck - all things that Stacy allegedly wanted - on one of the tv talk shows. Someone who personally knows DP and Stacy had told me about the boob job the first day she went missing - among other things - mostly about how he wanted a trophy wife etc.

Bigfoot, has your friend made any other insights into Stacy and Drew's relationship? I certainly agree with the trophy wife comment..I would even believe Drew incouraged the tummy tuck and boob job...and told everyone so that they could see that he could afford a trophy wife.

Was this person more a friend of Drew's or Stacy..I know you said they knew them both..but in a marriage friends usually come in along with one or the other of the spouses.

maureeng
11-21-2007, 12:24 PM
Hi everyone,

Thank you for the welcome.

It's okay with me if someone wants to re-post it on a different thread. I wasn't sure where to post it. I kept the info about this case because it is so bizarre and tragic. I hope it doesn't grow cold.

There is too much here that is suspect. Unfortunately, the forensics and timeline evidence in Kathleen Savio's case are gone and there is not yet any evidence that Stacy is dead or alive.

When you read the articles, you can see the patterns of DP's coldness, confidence, oddness, abusive behavior towards women, and a police department that turned a blind eye. Warning signs were everywhere. I have to search for some of the comments by Cassandra Cales for the specifics on Stacy's timeline and the article in which DP is said to not be an attentive father who let wife no. 2 take his children to their games. I think if this were not America, we could skip the trial and go right to sentencing.

Here are some new articles:
Betty Morphey defends son
http://www.suntimes.com/news/658854,CST-NWS-drew20.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/658854,CST-NWS-drew20.article)

Chief believes DP violated the law and takes his case further
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/660364,4_1_JO21_PETERSON_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/660364,4_1_JO21_PETERSON_S1.article)
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4993903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1 (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4993903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1)

John Walsh statement about DP going to airport
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/john-walsh-on-drew-peterson/1874998547 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/john-walsh-on-drew-peterson/1874998547)

Another DP girlfriend who was harassed.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/660449,CST-NWS-boling21.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/660449,CST-NWS-boling21.article)

Bigfoot
11-21-2007, 12:36 PM
Delta Dawn, my friend is in LE in a neighboring community and while he is not friends per se with DP, has been to many social functions with DP (and a couple of his wives) and has worked with him on police business, both having been in LE for many, many years and he has a good idea of DP's need for control and power. My friend just shakes his head at all the stuff going on and as most of the fellow cops agree, he's giving them ALL a bad name. Not all cops are cheats, etc. Yes, a lot of them are but not all! He's known for years what kind of guy DP is so he really tried to not have much to do with him.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 12:55 PM
Bigfoot your friend in LE is very smart to not hang out with DrewP. I think that long ago when he was released from his duties due to the drug deals and outing another uncover person's name that he was reinstated because they had just started a review committe that backed up the police. I cannot think of what name they gave it...it was some branch of the police force that they had never had prior to this. Makes me wonder if the mayor started that to help cover his cop friends who were into illegal activities.
For more on Mayor Claar try this link
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2007/BolingbrookaCest-Moi/
He's quite an interesting character..cussing and throwing magazines during an interview..it's a two page interview someone else posted earlier on but it really shows what type of person this Mayor Claar is and how manipulative he can be/

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 01:03 PM
It was called something like the fire and police board. They did fire Drew. But a special prosecutor for the states attorney's office testified that there wasn't enough evidence to begin with and the judge overuled the boards decision giving Drew his job back. The states attorney's office gave Drew alot of free rides, IMO.

Bigfoot
11-21-2007, 01:12 PM
After reading about Mayor Claar, I can certainly understand why he over-ruled the Police Chief (because he could). My gosh is this the only state in the US that has so much corruption, or are they all like this? Is it a power trip? As Jane Q. Public, I just don't understand it.

Camper
11-21-2007, 01:20 PM
A person just has to wonder about the enormous drug traffic in America. President of Mexico said a couple of weeks ago, when we complained about the drug traffic, that "People have to be using the drugs, or there would be no trafficking. Something to that affect anyhow.

So wondering about who is using drugs that might be sitting in HIGH office.

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SuziQ
11-21-2007, 01:28 PM
Go to the below link and under fox news video, you will find a video titled:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Stacy Peterson's stepsisters respond to Drew Peterson's decision to stay in the limelight while wife remains missing (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/#)

Trino
11-21-2007, 01:34 PM
Go see American Gangster (Denzel Washington). It's based on a true story about Frank Lucas, and if you read NY Magazine's articles from an interview with Lucas around 6 years ago, you'll find most of the movie is not only true, it doesn't tell enough of what actually went on, like paying off a general to smuggle drugs aboard Kissinger's plane. And, in the 1970's! Lucas was profiting a million dollars a day. 52 of 70 of NY's finest were indicted. Incredible!

Can you imagine what the drug trade in the US is today? No wonder cops go bad with the money that can be made from the drug trade.

Jaded
11-21-2007, 01:49 PM
I really think Drew thought someone else would find Kitty. When he had to return the boys, time ran out and he had to switch to the he's concerned and couldn't get ahold of her and needs to return the boys script.


That seems very plausible. Were the kids with him when he went there? Do we know?

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 01:55 PM
Go to the below link and under fox news video, you will find a video titled:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/

Stacy Peterson's stepsisters respond to Drew Peterson's decision to stay in the limelight while wife remains missing (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/#)

Paraphrasing some of what was said for those stuck at work today. :D

Per Stacy's stepsisters:
Stacy had a new cell phone because she was tired of Drew tracking her calls. Marriage counseling was not going well.

Drew had thrown Stacy down the stairs. In one incident, a family member took the kids out of the house because Drew had thrown Stacy against the wall.

Stacy never talked about having a boyfriend or romantic interest. To Drew any male was a romantic interest for Stacy. Even male family members.

When Drew gave one of the stepsisters, Tina's ashes, he said "When Stacy comes back you fight her for them". The stepsister asked, "Is Stacy coming back?" He said, "Oh yeah, she's coming back."

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 01:56 PM
That seems very plausible. Were the kids with him when he went there? Do we know?

They were not with him.

Jaded
11-21-2007, 02:21 PM
They were not with him.

Didn't he say he was dropping the children off? I thought I read earlier that she had a restraining order against him, so what was he doing at her home? This just does not add up, imo.

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 02:44 PM
Drew Peterson gave her an engagement ring.

Together, they picked out a china pattern.

snip~"He said I need somebody to love or care for," Piry said. "He never said I want you or I need you."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/660449,CST-NWS-boling21.article

itsreenw
11-21-2007, 02:55 PM
That seems very plausible. Were the kids with him when he went there? Do we know? Well, he's told a couple different stories.

First he was taking the kids back, in the other version, he hadn't talked to KP in a couple days so he got worried. Now ponder this...he was so concerned about his EX wife after not hearing from her for 2 days that he basically breaks in her house to make sure she's ok.

Now Stacy, who is STILL his wife has been missing for three weeks and he hasn't looked for her at all?? Heck, according to Rick Mims, they even went looking for Stacy's mom.

And...DP was on duty at the time they went to KP's house so he was taking care of personal business on the clock. I still think he and the neighbor should be charged with breaking and entering. DP had no right to have a locksmith open KP's door.

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 03:11 PM
Greta transcript

Stacy Peterson's Stepsisters Share Details of 'Abusive' Marriage

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312431,00.html

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 03:15 PM
I was thinking that possibly Rossetto owned a car repair service or something like that. Remember the social service worker that came forward in the beginning talking about Stacy having a fender bender in a parking lot with him? He said she seemed very afraid of Drew and wanted him to settle this outside insurance co and she would pay.

I thought maybe Rossetto was the person who did the repairs for them, and she knew him previously through his bother. Police have said that he was not a boyfriend, etc.

Think that may be close Delta. I mentioned in a post his hand in the doorway photo looked as if he worked with his hands.

Bigfoot
11-21-2007, 03:52 PM
Great post (the Piry article) Mysteriew. I hadn't seen that. I'm sure there are many more women that he has hit on and/or dated. I only wish they'd talk about it. More anti-DP to add to the case.

Leila
11-21-2007, 04:03 PM
As far as Stacy's journal goes I wonder two things: Was it an online journal, if so the police have probably found it and two if it was on paper Drew probably found it and it went with Stacy when he disposed of the body.

I seem to remember that there was the first search warrant executed and then the police went back with a second search warrant. In the second search, someone on scene said something about finding "it", but didn't elaborate on what "it" was. I remember speculation about what it was that the police went back to find. It would make sense that something the police found during the first search led them to go back to find something referred to as a result of the first search, or that someone - maybe one of Stacy's family members - remembered something and that's what the police went back to find.

Leila
11-21-2007, 04:12 PM
I find it quite telling he would say such things. My first thought was...the reason she felt those things...are because they were true, but isn't it curious HE would mention them at all?!

He probably did steal things and plant bugs in her home. Drew isn't the type to just "let go" of any relationship and lose the control he has over the other person. He will make sure he stays in their life (as he does popping up in the life of wife #2 still) and keeps their level of fear going.

This is the very top reason his story about Stacy makes absolutely NO sense. He would NEVER allow a woman to "dis" him like that and just let her go away with no consequences of her actions. He is Judge, Jury, and Executioner in every relationship.

I know someone who is very much like Drew Peterson. In this case, a couple were divorced 10 years ago. The wife filed for divorce from her controlling and abusive husband. From the moment she moved out of their home, he followed her, left nasty messages on her cell phone and home answering machine, and was the immediate suspect when the tires on her car were slashed on two separate occasions. The ex-husband ended up being arrested for felony stalking and spent 9 months in jail. Three years later the ex-husband had a girlfriend, who broke off with him. He did the same thing - followed her, left nasty messages on her cell phone and home answering machine, and did $800 worth of damage to her car. He was arrested for that and spent 4 months in jail. Last December he left threatening messages on his ex-wife's cell phone again, and has been charged with making terrorist threats. He's going through the court system and his ex-wife has been told that this time he's facing 3 years in state prison.

Masterj
11-21-2007, 04:13 PM
Go see American Gangster (Denzel Washington). It's based on a true story about Frank Lucas, and if you read NY Magazine's articles from an interview with Lucas around 6 years ago, you'll find most of the movie is not only true, it doesn't tell enough of what actually went on, like paying off a general to smuggle drugs aboard Kissinger's plane. And, in the 1970's! Lucas was profiting a million dollars a day. 52 of 70 of NY's finest were indicted. Incredible!

Can you imagine what the drug trade in the US is today? No wonder cops go bad with the money that can be made from the drug trade.

Especially considering the starting salary for a NY city cop is $25,100!

Leila
11-21-2007, 04:35 PM
The fact he insisted Steve go in WITH one of Kathleen's best friends makes it even more suspicious.

If he was there to return the children...where were they? He would not have suspected really there was anything wrong that he couldn't reach her other than she wasn't home since it wasn't her weekend with the kids...so why go to all the trouble of getting a locksmith, etc. Did she keep her car in the garage? I think so since she accused him once of changing the code to the opener. He couldn't see if she was home or not! He had no reason to "suspect" something was so very wrong...unless he already knew beforehand.


DP said he had been trying to reach Kathleen all weekend and there was no answer. The logical thing to do in that situation would have been to call her best friend/neighbor and ask her if she had seen Kathleen. Instead, he goes over there and makes a big show of calling a locksmith and having her best friend and another neighbor, Steve Carcerano present. He and Kathleen were divorced and he had no authority to do that. Have we ever learned for certain that Steve is a locksmith? If he is, then that's all the more suspicious.

Leila
11-21-2007, 04:39 PM
Hi everyone,

Thank you for the welcome.

It's okay with me if someone wants to re-post it on a different thread. I wasn't sure where to post it. I kept the info about this case because it is so bizarre and tragic. I hope it doesn't grow cold.

There is too much here that is suspect. Unfortunately, the forensics and timeline evidence in Kathleen Savio's case are gone and there is not yet any evidence that Stacy is dead or alive.

When you read the articles, you can see the patterns of DP's coldness, confidence, oddness, abusive behavior towards women, and a police department that turned a blind eye. Warning signs were everywhere. I have to search for some of the comments by Cassandra Cales for the specifics on Stacy's timeline and the article in which DP is said to not be an attentive father who let wife no. 2 take his children to their games. I think if this were not America, we could skip the trial and go right to sentencing.

Here are some new articles:
Betty Morphey defends son
http://www.suntimes.com/news/658854,CST-NWS-drew20.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/658854,CST-NWS-drew20.article)

Chief believes DP violated the law and takes his case further
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/660364,4_1_JO21_PETERSON_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/660364,4_1_JO21_PETERSON_S1.article)
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4993903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1 (http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=4993903&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1)

John Walsh statement about DP going to airport
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/john-walsh-on-drew-peterson/1874998547 (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/john-walsh-on-drew-peterson/1874998547)

Another DP girlfriend who was harassed.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/660449,CST-NWS-boling21.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/660449,CST-NWS-boling21.article)

Hi Maureeng and welcome to Websleuths! Your links are very helpful and your timeline is very well done!

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 04:58 PM
DP said he had been trying to reach Kathleen all weekend and there was no answer. The logical thing to do in that situation would have been to call her best friend/neighbor and ask her if she had seen Kathleen. Instead, he goes over there and makes a big show of calling a locksmith and having her best friend and another neighbor, Steve Carcerano present. He and Kathleen were divorced and he had no authority to do that. Have we ever learned for certain that Steve is a locksmith? If he is, then that's all the more suspicious.

Wouldn't you think that before entering the home that an ex might get hold of a relative? To ask them to go to the home or to get permission to enter or something? I mean he 'says' she was accusing him of things he alleges he didn't do. Wouldn't he be fearful of her filing charges for unlawful entry against him and whoever participated if she was alive? Why he could have gotten criminal charges filed against his good buddy Steve by asking him to enter. As a police officer, I am sure he knew that. And also as an officer, I am sure he knew to contact the next of kin in any emergency. Also, police officers are taught that they cannot enter a home without a warrant unless they see or hear signs of foul play.

Leila
11-21-2007, 05:03 PM
Wouldn't you think that before entering the home that an ex might get hold of a relative? To ask them to go to the home or to get permission to enter or something? I mean he 'says' she was accusing him of things. Wouldn't he be fearful of her filing charges for unlawful entry against him and whoever participated if she was alive? Why he could have gotten criminal charges filed against his good buddy Steve by asking him to enter. As a police officer, I am sure he knew that. And also as an officer, I am sure he knew to contact the next of kin in any emergency.

Excellent point mysteriew............yes, Kathleen's family lives right there in Bolingbrook, and it would have been the most logical to have called them with his concerns. Rather than two neighbors, he should have called Kathleens father, sister, or brother. It's very possible that one of those relatives would have had a key to Kathleen's house too, as is often the case.

The more you think about it, the more suspicious DP becomes in how he handled that situation. His version doesn't make a lot of sense.

Seahorseladydi
11-21-2007, 05:58 PM
I am just reading this case..... a few ?'s I am sure they have been gone over but there are hundreds of posts to catch up on.......

Drew was married 4 times?

the 3rd wife drowned in the bathtub (so he says)?

The 4th wife (Stacy) is now missing?

what happened to the 1st and 2nd wives?

I also see that Stacy's mom has been missing for years too?

this guy is a sgt..... he knows what he is doing! grrrrrr......

Leila
11-21-2007, 06:58 PM
I am just reading this case..... a few ?'s I am sure they have been gone over but there are hundreds of posts to catch up on.......

Drew was married 4 times?

the 3rd wife drowned in the bathtub (so he says)?

The 4th wife (Stacy) is now missing?

what happened to the 1st and 2nd wives?

I also see that Stacy's mom has been missing for years too?

this guy is a sgt..... he knows what he is doing! grrrrrr......

The first wife and DP were divorced about 1981-1982, and although the first wife has stated there was no abuse in the marriage, DP was having an affair.

The second wife also divorced DP, stating that he was having an affair, but she also states that he was abusive to her, both physical and mental abuse. The stated that he told her that he could kill her and make it look like an accident. She has spoken out on this. She had been previously married before she married DP and came into the marriage with an 8-year-old daughter, Lisa, who was also abused by DP. She said he used to punish her by whipping her with a belt. That marriage lasted from 1982-1992.

Stacy's mother disappeared in 1999. She had lost a small child in a house fire in 1982 and lost an infant to SIDS in 1987. She grieved the loss of those two children and was evidently unstable. She and Stacy's father, Anthony Cales, divorced in the early 1990's, and the children of their marriage lived with their father and his second wife. She was in the habit sometimes disappearing for a few weeks at a time, but always came back. In 1999, she left with her purse and a bible, saying she was going to church and disappeared.

Edited to add: There were two children from the first marriage - Steve and Eric; no children from the second marriage; 2 children from the third marriage - Tom and Kristopher; 2 children from the fourth marriage - Anthony and Lacy.

Chi Town Legal Freak
11-21-2007, 07:32 PM
New Sun-Times article regarding Grand jury testimony of Scott Rossetto.

This could be more bad news for DP. If he says she left for another man, this would seem to be the man if they were exchanging text messages.

Well, he is obviously still here so who is the mystery man, Drew? He kept tabs on her enough to know she was at Denny's with this guy, but he has no idea who the other guy she left with is? :hand:

http://www.suntimes.com/index.html

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 07:42 PM
November 21st, 2007 3:38 PM Eastern
Update….. Sgt. Peterson (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/21/update-sgt-peterson-2/)

by Greta Van Susteren
Sgt. Drew Peterson’s lawyer - Joel Brodsky - will be ON THE RECORD tonight at 10pm. Picture of Brodsky is below: (do you have a question for him? post here….)
[/URL]
And right now Sharon Bychowski is being questioned by the Illinois State Police regarding “phone calls” — we are awaiting more information on what that means….so check back.

[URL]http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/21/update-sgt-peterson-2/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/21/update-sgt-peterson-2/2158/)

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 07:44 PM
Go to the below link and click on the blue audiowave box to listen:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/21/gretacast-eavesdrop-on-this-conversation-in-sgt-peterson-case/

by Greta Van Susteren
[/URL]
Here is your chance….eavesdrop on the conversation I just had with OTR’s producer Steph Watts …Steph is in Bolingbrook, Illinois:
[URL="http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/02/pod-casting-the-gretacast//"] (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/09/friday-gretacast-mark-fuhrman-getting-2am-calls-stacys-sisters-ashes-with-sgt-peterson/1919/)
To eavesdrop on the phone call (and to get the latest) click on the blue box:

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 07:50 PM
New Sun-Times article regarding Grand jury testimony of Scott Rossetto.

This could be more bad news for DP. If he says she left for another man, this would seem to be the man if they were exchanging text messages.

Well, he is obviously still here so who is the mystery man, Drew? He kept tabs on her enough to know she was at Denny's with this guy, but he has no idea who the other guy she left with is? :hand:

http://www.suntimes.com/index.html

He asked me how I’d react if my wife was with another man,” Rossetto said.
***
Drew, the question is how did you react?

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 08:03 PM
New Sun-Times article regarding Grand jury testimony of Scott Rossetto.

This could be more bad news for DP. If he says she left for another man, this would seem to be the man if they were exchanging text messages.

Well, he is obviously still here so who is the mystery man, Drew? He kept tabs on her enough to know she was at Denny's with this guy, but he has no idea who the other guy she left with is? :hand:

http://www.suntimes.com/index.html

As per link it says


Rossetto, 35, told the Herald News last week that Stacy reached out to him about three weeks before she disappeared. He initially said he never met with her, but changed his story this afternoon after testifying before a Will County grand jury looking into the case.


He also had said


Rossetto has said he only knew Stacy because his twin brother and a friend had dated Stacy years ago — before she married Peterson. Rossetto said he had not heard from Stacy Peterson in years until she called him last month.


So how old was Stacy at the time his brother who is 8 years older dated her?

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 09:01 PM
Wow!! I was reallywrong about Rossetto being the owner of a car repair service..he's a nurse. I beleive I read previously that Stacey dated his brother after she broke up her high school boyfriend..so that relationship would have been around the time Drew first met her.

Also it appears that the GJ is not just looking at Kathleen's death, but Stacy's disappearance...which I thought but was confused because that was never really stated until now. It just seemed from the people they were questioning they were going in two seperate directions for two different cases..but originally I thought they were just looking into Kathleen's death. I hope I have that info correct now.

SeriouslySearching
11-21-2007, 09:06 PM
Hmmmm...well...I guess him being a nurse isn't as exciting as him being in the car repair biz!

One reason she could be in touch with him is because she was in school to become a nurse, Yes? I wonder if they have had contact while in school?

SeriouslySearching
11-21-2007, 09:11 PM
I know someone who is very much like Drew Peterson. In this case, a couple were divorced 10 years ago. The wife filed for divorce from her controlling and abusive husband. From the moment she moved out of their home, he followed her, left nasty messages on her cell phone and home answering machine, and was the immediate suspect when the tires on her car were slashed on two separate occasions. The ex-husband ended up being arrested for felony stalking and spent 9 months in jail. Three years later the ex-husband had a girlfriend, who broke off with him. He did the same thing - followed her, left nasty messages on her cell phone and home answering machine, and did $800 worth of damage to her car. He was arrested for that and spent 4 months in jail. Last December he left threatening messages on his ex-wife's cell phone again, and has been charged with making terrorist threats. He's going through the court system and his ex-wife has been told that this time he's facing 3 years in state prison.Which in my book is ridiculous he was even OUT of jail the first time after exhibiting such behavior. Obsessive thinking and stalking are signs of later more violent abuse. To lock these men away without therapy and for only a short term stint does nothing to change their thinking process. They are probably more dangerous when they come out of jail after a few months than before they went in. It gives them time for the anger to build and them to plan revenge.

Stalking laws have changed, but penalties need to be stiffer and therapies need to be court ordered.

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 09:16 PM
On Tuesday, the Tribune learned that Harvey police officer Marcus Patterson also appeared before that grand jury Nov. 7. Patterson, 34, was a Bolingbrook police officer from October 1999 to April 2002 and worked on the department's Gang Suppression Unit, headed by Drew Peterson, Lt. Ken Teppel said.

and

Members of Texas EquuSearch, which has led the volunteer searches, have gone home and made no plans to return.
"They were a great team. I didn't know how long they could stay," Bosco said. "They did bring a lot of energy and resources, so I'd never have anything negative to say about them. We have to work within our means and so did they."

http://www.policeone.com/officer-misconduct-internal-affairs/articles/1630712/

Pepper
11-21-2007, 10:32 PM
I think the reason Drew Peterson is so smug is because he knows that Stacy will never be found. Why? Because she is in the landfill. He was a cop who knew his way around town. He knows the dump schedules of various dumpsters around town. It would be very easy for him to have dumped her in a dumpster right before pickup. It is nearly impossible to find a body that's been disposed of this way. I'll bet hundreds of people are disposed of in this fashion annually and are never found.

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 10:41 PM
I think the reason Drew Peterson is so smug is because he knows that Stacy will never be found.
Why? Because she is in the landfill. He was a cop who knew his way around town. He knows the dump schedules of various dumpsters around town. It would be very easy for him to have dumped her in a dumpster right before pickup. It is nearly impossible to find a body that's been disposed of this way. I'll bet hundreds of people are disposed of in this fashion annually and are never found.

I think that could be very possible Pepper, expecially if he had her is say a sleeping or duffle bag that was placed in a dumpster/bin.

Front loading compactor refuse trucks would have done their job and a body would be hard to identify by the time the back load was emptied at the landfill. Only cadavor dogs now would be able to locate her at any landfill.

Leila
11-21-2007, 11:54 PM
Disposing of the body in a dumpster just prior to pick up is a good theory. At this point DP probably thinks he's in the clear.......the searches haven't found the body, Texas Equasearch has left, and the weather is going to bring snow any day now. He thinks this is all going to go away and he can go on the prowl for wife #5. :(

grace60
11-22-2007, 12:05 AM
Disposing of the body in a dumpster just prior to pick up is a good theory. At this point DP probably thinks he's in the clear.......the searches haven't found the body, Texas Equasearch has left, and the weather is going to bring snow any day now. He thinks this is all going to go away and he can go on the prowl for wife #5. :(

The cold weather will also help preserve a body so that leaves a little hope if the body is found.

Jaded
11-22-2007, 12:21 AM
He asked me how I’d react if my wife was with another man,” Rossetto said.
***
Drew, the question is how did you react?

This article only makes DP look more guilty, imo. Can you imagine this meeting? As smug and arrogant as he is with the media, I can only imagine how he attempted to intimidate this man when he found Stacy and Scott at the restaraunt.

DP is used to being the cheater, not the cheatee.

SuziQ
11-22-2007, 12:49 AM
This article only makes DP look more guilty, imo. Can you imagine this meeting? As smug and arrogant as he is with the media, I can only imagine how he attempted to intimidate this man when he found Stacy and Scott at the restaraunt.

DP is used to being the cheater, not the cheatee.

To me it gives Drew more MO to kill Stacy. What I love is Scott and his twin look like they'd kick DP's *ss in a heartbeat. Too bad they didn't. I can only imagine how scared poor Stacy felt when Drew showed up at the table. And I can only imagine her fear as she drove home. I bet this was the beginning of the end for her.

Taximom
11-22-2007, 12:59 AM
I might be on the wrong Peterson thread, but did anyone see Dan Abrams tonight with the info about the fiancee that turned him down? (or is that fiance?)

SuziQ
11-22-2007, 01:39 AM
I might be on the wrong Peterson thread, but did anyone see Dan Abrams tonight with the info about the fiancee that turned him down? (or is that fiance?)

I read the article. I will have to go track the Dan Abrams video down!

SuziQ
11-22-2007, 01:44 AM
Here is a timeline I've put together for the month before Stacy went missing. Interesting in hindsight. I will PM Maureeng if she wants to add it to hers. If I have anything wrong, please post a correction.

In the month before Stacy disappeared…

10-8, Stacy’s uncle said Drew didn’t believe that classes were held on Columbus Day and accused Stacy of lying to him.

10-17, Stacy sends marriage in trouble email to Steve Cesares.

10-17 or 18, Stacy called her stepsister Debby, to give Debby, her new cell phone number. Stacy wants to get together with their kids in a couple of weeks.

10-18 Drew and Stacy’s wedding anniversary. Drew gives her expensive ring.

10-19, Scott Rossetto says that he and Stacy were having lunch at Denny’s when Drew showed up. Stacy discusses not being happy in her marriage. Scott says to get an attorney.

10-24, Stacy called her stepsister Kerry, to give Kerry her new cell number. Said her new cell phone number was because Drew had figured out how to track her cell phone. Stacy said marriage counseling wasn’t going very well.

10-25, Stacy calls Pam Bosco about renting one of her properties. Stacy discusses divorcing Drew. Pam says get an attorney.

10-28, Stacy goes missing.

DATE? Sharon sees Stacy sitting outside with boxes crying ans saying she wants Drew to leave.

Jaded
11-22-2007, 09:55 AM
To me it gives Drew more MO to kill Stacy. What I love is Scott and his twin look like they'd kick DP's *ss in a heartbeat. Too bad they didn't. I can only imagine how scared poor Stacy felt when Drew showed up at the table. And I can only imagine her fear as she drove home. I bet this was the beginning of the end for her.

I'm sure she was terrified. Thanks for the timeline, as well.

curiositycat
11-22-2007, 11:53 AM
"10-24, Stacy called her stepsister Kerry, to give Kerry her new cell number. Said her new cell phone number was because Drew had figured out how to track her cell phone. Stacy said marriage counseling wasn’t going very well."

I mentioned this either last week or the week before. My instincts told me that she would do that, to keep him from knowing who she called.

Trino
11-22-2007, 11:57 AM
"10-24, Stacy called her stepsister Kerry, to give Kerry her new cell number. Said her new cell phone number was because Drew had figured out how to track her cell phone. Stacy said marriage counseling wasn’t going very well."

I mentioned this either last week or the week before. My instincts told me that she would do that, to keep him from knowing who she called.

Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't care if my spouse knew who I called. Not that I'm defending DP, but who was she calling that she didn't want him to know about?

SuziQ
11-22-2007, 12:14 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't care if my spouse knew who I called. Not that I'm defending DP, but who was she calling that she didn't want him to know about?

Lol, that's a good point. That applies in normal healthy adult relationships. Stacy was making plans to divorce Drew and she didn't want him to know. Unfortunately, Drew probably found out.

grace60
11-22-2007, 12:20 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't care if my spouse knew who I called. Not that I'm defending DP, but who was she calling that she didn't want him to know about?

Because your spouse trusts you. No matter who the male was he thought Stacy was fooling around on him. His insecurity because he cheated so much during his life. I had a boyfriend like that once. It was something I had never experienced and will never tolerate again. The funny part was I caught him cheating on me.

SuziQ
11-22-2007, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Chicoliving in the Media Links thread.

'perverted' notes part of stacy probe
TWINS DENY DATING A MISSING MOM, BUT SAID THEY 'FLIRTED' WITH HER


BOLINGBROOK -- Twin brothers testified to a grand jury about missing mom Stacy Peterson and one told of trading "perverted and flirty" text messages with the young woman.

Both twins -- male nurses Scott and Keith Rossetto -- denied any romantic entanglement with the 23-year-old Peterson, though Scott accused his brother of dating her for months and admitted himself to sending her lascivious messages.

"Some of the messages were quite perverted and flirty in nature, but it was all in fun," said Scott Rossetto, 35.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...ING_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/662585,4_1_JO22_MISSING_S1.article)

fran
11-22-2007, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by Chicoliving in the Media Links thread.

'perverted' notes part of stacy probe
TWINS DENY DATING A MISSING MOM, BUT SAID THEY 'FLIRTED' WITH HER


BOLINGBROOK -- Twin brothers testified to a grand jury about missing mom Stacy Peterson and one told of trading "perverted and flirty" text messages with the young woman.

Both twins -- male nurses Scott and Keith Rossetto -- denied any romantic entanglement with the 23-year-old Peterson, though Scott accused his brother of dating her for months and admitted himself to sending her lascivious messages.

"Some of the messages were quite perverted and flirty in nature, but it was all in fun," said Scott Rossetto, 35.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...ING_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/662585,4_1_JO22_MISSING_S1.article)

Looks like either someone on the GJ or DP's attorney was in attendance of the GJ probe and is leaking information to the press. GJ testimony is supposed to be secret.

Doesn't change the facts of the case though. Just someone trying to disparge the VICTIM.

JMHO
fran

Mysticchic
11-22-2007, 01:33 PM
yep lots of leaks..we need someone to put thier finger in the dam

SuziQ
11-22-2007, 01:43 PM
Also somewhere in the vids it was stated that Drews son Steve was called to testify before the GJ and that they didn't get to him this week.

i.b.nora
11-22-2007, 02:09 PM
I am not sure what makes people think there are leaks from the Grand Jury.

Scott Rosetto spoke directly to reporters after his appearance and spoke only of his own testimony.

From this very good article in today's Chicago Tribune:

"Rossetto said he testified for about a half-hour.

"They asked what kind of contact that we had, conversations that she maybe had initiated, um, did she look afraid," Rossetto said. "At one point ... the state's attorney looked at me directly and basically said, 'Were you in a relationship?' and I said no. He said, 'Did you do anything to Stacy Peterson,' and I said no, and he was like, 'OK, that's it. You're done.'"

Rossetto declined to reveal other details, saying authorities asked him to keep some information confidential.

But he said that Stacy Peterson had told him she wanted to leave her husband, and that he counseled her to get a lawyer.

"She didn't say why she was leaving, but she kind of hinted at maybe being sick and tired of having to be trapped in the house all the time," Rossetto said. "I think she kind of missed her independence."

Asked if he believed the police consider him a possible suspect, Rossetto said he doesn't think so.

"I was actually at work the day she disappeared," he said."

Other bits of info that I found interesting from the same article:

"He said that when Stacy Peterson met him and a group of friends at a local Denny's restaurant for dinner Oct. 19, they were soon joined unexpectedly by Drew Peterson.

"He just showed up," Rossetto said. "He was actually driving around in a squad car. He drove around the building a couple of times."

He said Stacy Peterson had argued with her husband about her plans to meet Rossetto and the others at the restaurant."

Drew Peterson's pension may be in jeopardy (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_22nov22,0,7065346.story)

dee10134
11-22-2007, 02:43 PM
This case is just abound with twists and turns! Wow!

I know this isn't the general consensus of the group here, but in light of the recent developments (the dirty text messages and the fact that LE believes that Stacy WAS having an affair...), maybe the reason DP is so cool, calm, and collected is because he knew for a while that Stacy was going to leave him and just doesn't give a damn about her anymore. I know if my spouse was cheating on me like that I wouldn't give a rat's a$$ about him anymore. I'd be shocked and hurt, which I'm sure he is/was, but after the initial shock, the next reaction is dissent and detachment. IMHO it seems that this has been happening for a while....

Maybe she really DID take 25k in cash and run off for a while... Maybe that's all she knows... Maybe that's her coping mechanism... Maybe she got backed into a corner and feels like she needs to be alone for a while... Maybe she was overwhelmed by everything... Maybe she felt her and DP have grown apart due to their vast difference in age and probably conflicting/differing interests... IDK what to think... But if she is never found, that will be the defense's argument right there... THAT will cause the reasonable doubt necessary for a "not guilty" verdict.

I'm now holding out hope that Scott Rossetto knows exactly where she is. It may all be in vain, but it's interesting that it comes out that LE is pretty damn sure Stacy was having an affair with Scott Rossetto AND that she met with him at Denny's NINE DAYS before she disappeared.

This is just my honest objective opinion and felt I'd throw it out there for discussion... :twocents:

Either way, if she's really alive and ran off somewhere, I hope like hell she surfaces soon and calls SOMEONE. If she's dead, I hope they find her soon and bring the person that killed her to justice.

ETA: HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE!!!

IdahoMom
11-22-2007, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by Chicoliving in the Media Links thread.

'perverted' notes part of stacy probe
TWINS DENY DATING A MISSING MOM, BUT SAID THEY 'FLIRTED' WITH HER


BOLINGBROOK -- Twin brothers testified to a grand jury about missing mom Stacy Peterson and one told of trading "perverted and flirty" text messages with the young woman.

Both twins -- male nurses Scott and Keith Rossetto -- denied any romantic entanglement with the 23-year-old Peterson, though Scott accused his brother of dating her for months and admitted himself to sending her lascivious messages.

"Some of the messages were quite perverted and flirty in nature, but it was all in fun," said Scott Rossetto, 35.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...ING_S1.article

It's possible it wasn't Stacy sending the text messages.

curiositycat
11-22-2007, 05:06 PM
Okay if she was having an affair, and it was with one of the twins, we know where they are now..BUT WHERE IS STACY???????

I don't believe it for a minute. She may of been playing around on her cellphone. Let's not forget she is (was) only 23 years old. She has known Drew since she was a teenager. This girl never had anytime of being young and having fun.

I think she dead and I think DP killed her. I think he killed Kathleen and I am not sure he didn't kill Stacy's mom also.

MysteryAddict
11-22-2007, 05:39 PM
Lot's of surprising news today-

First that Rossetto was sending flirty,sexy messages to Stacy- with a jealous sociopath husband like Drew,that's enough to
get her killed!

Then we hear that she met Rossetto at Denny's on Oct.19th. How foolish could she be, knowing drew
was jealous and violent?

I think we are seeing more excuses for the sociopath to get rid of her.

She was out of his control. He couldn't have that!

Utopia
11-22-2007, 05:46 PM
Other bits of info that I found interesting from the same article:

"He said that when Stacy Peterson met him and a group of friends at a local Denny's restaurant for dinner Oct. 19, they were soon joined unexpectedly by Drew Peterson.

"He just showed up," Rossetto said. "He was actually driving around in a squad car. He drove around the building a couple of times."

He said Stacy Peterson had argued with her husband about her plans to meet Rossetto and the others at the restaurant."

Interesting indeed. So does this not indicate that she was open with DP about meeting up with Rosetto "and a group of friends" - she wasn't trying to hide it. Besides, if you were planning a romantic tryst, would it really be lunch at Dennys?:rolleyes:

Leila
11-22-2007, 06:35 PM
The cold weather will also help preserve a body so that leaves a little hope if the body is found.

I wonder why the police haven't searched the landfills? I remember there was an extensive search of a landfill in Aruba for Natalee Holloway.

MysteryAddict
11-22-2007, 08:49 PM
"Both twins -- male nurses Scott and Keith Rossetto -- denied any romantic entanglement with the 23-year-old Peterson, though Scott accused his brother of dating her for months and admitted himself to sending her lascivious messages."

"Some of the messages were quite perverted and flirty in nature, but it was all in fun," said Scott Rossetto, 35.


It may have been "all in fun" to these two jerks but it was deadly serious to Drew Peterson!!!!!!

dee10134
11-22-2007, 11:37 PM
Okay if she was having an affair, and it was with one of the twins, we know where they are now..BUT WHERE IS STACY???????

I don't believe it for a minute. She may of been playing around on her cellphone. Let's not forget she is (was) only 23 years old. She has known Drew since she was a teenager. This girl never had anytime of being young and having fun.

I think she dead and I think DP killed her. I think he killed Kathleen and I am not sure he didn't kill Stacy's mom also.

According to this article from the Joliet Herald News, she's alive and in Peoria with another man..... I'm beginning to seriously doubt that she's dead.....

"New: Letter reportedly describes Stacy sighting
November 22, 2007
The Associated Press
An attorney for former police sergeant Drew Peterson says Peterson received an unsigned letter Wednesday giving a detailed description of a sighting of his missing wife, Stacy Peterson.
Attorney Joel Brodsky says Peterson opened the letter Thursday and immediately called the Illinois State Police and his attorneys to notify them of the development.
The letter carried a Peoria postmark and was dated Nov. 19. It detailed an encounter the writer had with Stacy on Nov. 12 at a Kroger grocery store in Peoria.
Brodsky says the letter is detailed and describes a man whom the writer said appeared to be in Stacy's company.
The attorney says Peterson hopes the letter will lead authorities to his wife.
Brodsky declined to release the letter itself, telling The Associated Press he doesn't want to do anything to "impede the investigation."
Copyright 2007 Associated Press. All rights reserved."

maureeng
11-22-2007, 11:38 PM
How many people could SP be flirty with given DP's stalking skills? She's not with Scott or any of her other friends and hasn't contacted her family. I hope she is alive and returns, but it's not likely.

greeneyz
11-22-2007, 11:46 PM
According to this article from the Joliet Herald News, she's alive and in Peoria with another man..... I'm beginning to seriously doubt that she's dead..... "

While I do NOT like Drew Peterson and have no doubt he is capable of killing Stacy and Kathleen, with the the recent developments concerning Stacy I too have some doubts as to where she is or if she is in fact dead. Guess time will tell....I find it very hard to belive she would leave her children behind and worry her family and friends, but it has happened before in other cases. Maybe Drew threatened her and she is scared to come home or to contact anyone? I am real curious to see how this all plays out with the GJ and internal investigations etc. Not to mention the autopsy findings on Kathleen. What a complex case. Goes to show what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve!

dee10134
11-23-2007, 12:00 AM
It's possible it wasn't Stacy sending the text messages.


Oh come on... I'm willing to bet that it was Stacy sending those messages. Obviously her and Drew have grown apart. Obviously she was looking for something else, something better, something that may have been more meaningful for her...

This woman was no saint. None of us are. We ALL have wants, desires, needs, etc. and maybe DP wasn't the one to fulfill them for her any longer... :twocents:

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 12:35 AM
Oh come on... I'm willing to bet that it was Stacy sending those messages. Obviously her and Drew have grown apart. Obviously she was looking for something else, something better, something that may have been more meaningful for her...

This woman was no saint. None of us are. We ALL have wants, desires, needs, etc. and maybe DP wasn't the one to fulfill them for her any longer... :twocents:

I think Stacy just wanted someone who didn't stalk, harrass, throw her up against a wall and down the stairs. And that's just what we've heard about! What horrible things haven't we heard about? Keep in mind, as far as we know, her relationship with Scott didn't start until she started asking Drew for a divorce. She was done with Drew and wanted out. Isn't that what you are supposed to do? Don't we all tell abuse victims to get out of the relationship? Let's not forget how dangerous it is to do that.

I don't know why a conspiracy theory would be as believable or more than the simple fact that sociopathic husbands kill their wives everyday. Could it be possible Stacy ran off? Anything is possible. But even in the runaway bride case, IIRC, there wasn't a single legit sighting of her until she herself called with the fake kidnapping story. I just don't have any confidence in the sightings.

TGIRecovered
11-23-2007, 12:39 AM
The letter carried a Peoria postmark and was dated Nov. 19. It detailed an encounter the writer had with Stacy on Nov. 12 at a Kroger grocery store in Peoria.


Small world! it just so happens that both Drew and his lawyer Brodsky were in Peoria the morning of November 19 to be interviewed by Matt Lauer using a satellite connection. They were at the local NBC affiliate station.

Pretty strange that the person who sent the letter decided not to contact Peoria or BB police, not to ask the Kroger staff to call police or save their video tape, did not contact Stacy's family or Illinois state police. They didn't even call Drew anonyomusly from a pay phone. Nope, they sat back, seeing the searchers on TV every day, trudging thru underbrush, dragging ponds, Stacy's parents and sisters heartbroken. They decided to forego any reward money, didn't tell anyone at all for five days, then snail-mailed a letter without giving their name.

What a coincidence...Drew and Brodsky being in Peoria on the exact same day our tipster who doesn't want to be identified finally decides to drop Drew a line.


Susan

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 12:44 AM
Small world! it just so happens that both Drew and his lawyer Brodsky were in Peoria the morning of November 19 to be interviewed by Matt Lauer using a satellite connection. They were at the local NBC affiliate station.

Pretty strange that the person who sent the letter decided not to contact Peoria or BB police, not to ask the Kroger staff to call police or save their video tape, did not contact Stacy's family or Illinois state police. They didn't even call Drew anonyomusly from a pay phone. Nope, they sat back, seeing the searchers on TV every day, trudging thru underbrush, dragging ponds, Stacy's parents and sisters heartbroken. They decided to forego any reward money, didn't tell anyone at all for five days, then snail-mailed a letter without giving their name.

What a coincidence...Drew and Brodsky being in Peoria on the exact same day our tipster who doesn't want to be identified finally decides to drop Drew a line.


Susan

Omg, you really should tip off the Sun or the Trib because I don't think they've put two and two together. And how the heck did you know they were in Peoria?

TGIRecovered
11-23-2007, 12:56 AM
Omg, you really should tip off the Sun or the Trib because I don't think they've put two and two together. And how the heck did you know they were in Peoria?

I remembered that when it hit the news that DP would be on Today the morning of Nov. 19, I heard a teaser for the show say that DP would not be in New York again, but would be via satellite from the local NBC Tv Station.
Remember, the second interview was reported to have been done because his new lawyer wanted to dispute and discredit Baden's statement that Kathy's death was a homicide. This was the first I saw of Mr. Brodsky.

I looked on Newslink.com for Illinois tv stations and found NBC is in Peoria.

Susan

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 12:59 AM
Susan, you really should tip every news agency out there.

curiositycat
11-23-2007, 01:04 AM
I understand what you are saying, and I agree BUT I think if you are involved with a stalker or someone who gives you no privacy at all you begin to think of creative ways around it. Either that or you are having or wanting to have an affair.



Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't care if my spouse knew who I called. Not that I'm defending DP, but who was she calling that she didn't want him to know about?

TGIRecovered
11-23-2007, 01:06 AM
I don't have a link to confirm anything. I just know they were not in New York, and the comment about the local affiliate was just a seguey(sp?) kind of comment from the news anchor. Don't know how to confirm it.

Susan

curiositycat
11-23-2007, 01:08 AM
You got that RIGHT. I am surprised he didn't know about her "secret" cellphone. That couldn't of been easy to pull off.:rolleyes:


Lot's of surprising news today-

First that Rossetto was sending flirty,sexy messages to Stacy- with a jealous sociopath husband like Drew,that's enough to
get her killed!

Then we hear that she met Rossetto at Denny's on Oct.19th. How foolish could she be, knowing drew
was jealous and violent?

I think we are seeing more excuses for the sociopath to get rid of her.

She was out of his control. He couldn't have that!

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 01:10 AM
I don't have a link to confirm anything. I just know they were not in New York, and the comment about the local affiliate was just a seguey(sp?) kind of comment from the news anchor. Don't know how to confirm it.

Susan

I would give the tip and let the news agencies confirm it.

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 01:13 AM
You got that RIGHT. I am surprised he didn't know about her "secret" cellphone. That couldn't of been easy to pull off.:rolleyes:

Scary thought, but I'm thinking he did find it.

chicoliving
11-23-2007, 01:14 AM
It looks like Stacy had the new phone by 10/17 or 18.

VAN SUSTEREN: Debby, when was the last time you spoke to Stacy or saw Stacy?

DEBBY FORGUE, STACY PETERSON'S STEPSISTER: It was October. I believe it was, like, 17th or 18th, she called me to give me her new cell phone number.

VAN SUSTEREN: Kerry, what about you? When was the last time, if you remember, that you spoke to or saw Stacy?

SIMMONS: I actually spoke to Stacy the Wednesday before she went missing. She had called to do the same, to give her cell phone numbers to all of us. She changed her phone. I asked her why, and she had said because Drew had figured out how to track her cell phone, so she kind of got tired of it and didn't want to be followed around anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312431,00.html

Wonder which phone was traced to Rosetto...the old one Drew P was tracking or the new one. Or both.

Leila
11-23-2007, 01:52 AM
I don't have a link to confirm anything. I just know they were not in New York, and the comment about the local affiliate was just a seguey(sp?) kind of comment from the news anchor. Don't know how to confirm it.

Susan


I think you should send this to all the media outlets and let them take it from there. They should be able to just pick up the phone and call NBC and verify where the second interview with DP and his attorney was done. If they can confirm that it WAS done from the Peoria studio, then they've got a story.

maureeng
11-23-2007, 12:15 PM
Hi Leila - thank you -I'm glad the posts were helpful.

TGIRecovered - would you considering sending to gretawire? or greta@foxnews.com or abrams@msnbc.com - I wonder if they've picked up on this.

this is a good article about the missing barrel and who helped DP
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/663574,4_1_JO23_PETERSON_S1.article

If you click on peterson search tab, there is info about the letter and Kathleen's notes regarding the abuse by DP
http://cltv.trb.com/

DeltaDawn
11-23-2007, 12:15 PM
I am glad the Rossetto brothers have come out and told their side of the story, because in a way it is Stacy's side too. They were all just frends and I do believe that. I don't think Stacy was going to jump from the frying pan into the fire. I think that just trying to get an attorney, divorce Drew, move into an apartment with the kids, and continue nursing school would have been overwhelming to say the least. I think that these brothers were friends, and people she felt she could trust. Also remember they are nurses and that is what she was going to school for. There were other friends with them at Denny's so it is not like they were alone, planning a fling. With everything Stacy was trying to accomplish she would have needed friends and family to help bolster her and pull her through. So I don't find her having lunch with a group of friends odd..I think that it is quite normal for all of us to have friends.

maureeng
11-23-2007, 12:18 PM
I am glad the Rossetto brothers have come out and told their side of the story, because in a way it is Stacy's side too. They were all just frends and I do believe that. I don't think Stacy was going to jump from the frying pan into the fire. I think that just trying to get an attorney, divorce Drew, move into an apartment with the kids, and continue nursing school would have been overwhelming to say the least. I think that these brothers were friends, and people she felt she could trust. Also remember they are nurses and that is what she was going to school for. There were other friends with them at Denny's so it is not like they were alone, planning a fling. With everything Stacy was trying to accomplish she would have needed friends and family to help bolster her and pull her through. So I don't find her having lunch with a group of friends odd..I think that it is quite normal for all of us to have friends.


I agree - sounds like it didn't go very far - allegedly, they did share racy emails - but who knows.

DeltaDawn
11-23-2007, 12:29 PM
Racy emails and flirting are a far cry from an affair, but may have eventually led to one if Stacy hadn't disappeared. Meaning between the emails, nursing schol and the Denny's Drew may have known very well she wasn't having an affair at that time. But she had already asked him for a divorce, his bags were packed..so I think he put 2+2= possible future affair, and possible future for Drew retiring without the trophy wife and kids. There's his motive..plus he probably already was looking around for wife number 5 or a mistress, and wasn't ready to move on until he had that person on the backburner ready to become his next victim..err I mean wife..

curiositycat
11-23-2007, 12:40 PM
I think so too, just posted something on the Blue Barrel thread about that scenario.
I think he came home and found her talking on that new cell phone or having fallen asleep with that cell phone and thought she was talking to SR, the guy she had coffee with at Denny's when DP walked in and found her.
Now he thinks this is why she is leaving him.
He judges her behavior on his own adulterous behavior from the past.
He is losing control, can't handle it and kills her in a jealous rage.:eek:



Scary thought, but I'm thinking he did find it.

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 12:57 PM
Didn't Stacy abrubtly end a phone call with her sister at 1:30am Sunday morning? IIRC, Drew was working Saturday night. I wonder what time he got home? According to Sharon, the kids were extremely upset because Drew and Stacy had a huge fight that morning.

I thought Stacy and Scott were the only one's at Dennys?

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 12:59 PM
Hi Leila - thank you -I'm glad the posts were helpful.

TGIRecovered - would you considering sending to gretawire? or greta@foxnews.com (greta@foxnews.com) or abrams@msnbc.com (abrams@msnbc.com) - I wonder if they've picked up on this.

this is a good article about the missing barrel and who helped DP
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/663574,4_1_JO23_PETERSON_S1.article

If you click on peterson search tab, there is info about the letter and Kathleen's notes regarding the abuse by DP
http://cltv.trb.com/


I agree, this should be followed up on. The date on the postmark and possible filming location is too coincidental.

curiositycat
11-23-2007, 12:59 PM
Yes ma'm you are thinking what I am thinking. He came in and found her using that phone and that was all the "proof" he thought he needed.



Didn't Stacy abrubtly end a phone call with her sister at 1:30am Sunday morning? IIRC, Drew was working Saturday night. I wonder what time he got home? According to Sharon, the kids were extremely upset because Drew and Stacy had a huge fight that morning.

I thought Stacy and Scott were the only one's at Dennys?

IdahoMom
11-23-2007, 01:13 PM
Oh come on... I'm willing to bet that it was Stacy sending those messages. Obviously her and Drew have grown apart. Obviously she was looking for something else, something better, something that may have been more meaningful for her...

This woman was no saint. None of us are. We ALL have wants, desires, needs, etc. and maybe DP wasn't the one to fulfill them for her any longer... :twocents:


:waitasec: It's entirely possible that her husband-the man that followed his wives and bugged their homes- was setting a trap for some poor unsuspecting guy.

It's also possible Drew was getting a taste of his own bitter medicine.

I've never said that Stacy's a saint.

DeltaDawn
11-23-2007, 02:15 PM
SuzQ THIS ARTICLE IBNORA POSTED FROM THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE STATES THAT THEY WERE WITH A GROUP OF FRIENDS>


I am not sure what makes people think there are leaks from the Grand Jury.

Scott Rosetto spoke directly to reporters after his appearance and spoke only of his own testimony.

From this very good article in today's Chicago Tribune:

"Rossetto said he testified for about a half-hour.

"They asked what kind of contact that we had, conversations that she maybe had initiated, um, did she look afraid," Rossetto said. "At one point ... the state's attorney looked at me directly and basically said, 'Were you in a relationship?' and I said no. He said, 'Did you do anything to Stacy Peterson,' and I said no, and he was like, 'OK, that's it. You're done.'"

Rossetto declined to reveal other details, saying authorities asked him to keep some information confidential.

But he said that Stacy Peterson had told him she wanted to leave her husband, and that he counseled her to get a lawyer.

"She didn't say why she was leaving, but she kind of hinted at maybe being sick and tired of having to be trapped in the house all the time," Rossetto said. "I think she kind of missed her independence."

Asked if he believed the police consider him a possible suspect, Rossetto said he doesn't think so.

"I was actually at work the day she disappeared," he said."

Other bits of info that I found interesting from the same article:

"He said that when Stacy Peterson met him and a group of friends at a local Denny's restaurant for dinner Oct. 19, they were soon joined unexpectedly by Drew Peterson.

"He just showed up," Rossetto said. "He was actually driving around in a squad car. He drove around the building a couple of times."

He said Stacy Peterson had argued with her husband about her plans to meet Rossetto and the others at the restaurant."

Drew Peterson's pension may be in jeopardy (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_22nov22,0,7065346.story)

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 02:28 PM
Suze Q IB NORA POSTED THIS INTERESTING ARTICLE

Thanks Delta. So Drew sits down at a table where Stacy is sitting with several people, but confronts Scott with how would you feel if this was your wife? For crying out loud Drew, it's not like you caught just the two of them at a hotel or something.

Sedona
11-23-2007, 02:35 PM
Thanks Delta. So Drew sits down at a table where Stacy is sitting with several people, but confronts Scott with how would you feel if this was your wife? For crying out loud Drew, it's not like you caught just the two of them at a hotel or something.

For all the cheating he has been accused of doing, you would think more women would have surfaced? Unless they were married women.... It would be the M.O. of his personality to be messing around with married women.

SeekingJana
11-23-2007, 02:52 PM
I've considered theories of why Drew would murder Stacy, even if he is a serial cheater who uses and apparently hates women. The simple answer may be that he is a sociopath, or a man who hates to pay child support when a woman successfully leaves him and gets a divorce ( re: Kathleen's homicide).

Since there are so many homicides of pregnant women, I am wondering if Stacy had just discovered she was pregnant again ( with another DP baby) and Drew didn't believe it was his, given his extreme paranoia ( projection of his own cheating heart), didn't want another baby, or she didn't want his baby once she realized that he was a jerk with a capital J .Her Oct. email about the state of their marriage may indicate the timeframe of her lightbulb moment. She could easily have been killed by the brute in an argument or fight, especially IF he found anything communicative between her and any other male and had suspicions or knowledge of a pregnancy. Not that he did, this is all a theory based on a collection of his words since he started talking and talking and which may indicate a secondary focus on his part and an attempt at directing us in a specific way.

The reason I wonder if there was disclosure and a fight about another baby on the way is mainly because of several off the top of his head remarks he has made which focus on the abdomen and female reproduction.. "When DP talks, I listen", then I ask myself why he said exactly that particular thing. First was the really inappropriate and very tacky overly personal lie about her depression and crazy talk about leaving every month with PMS. Indicating that she had PMS at the time she disappeared. I don't think she did most of what he has said she did, but if his mind was on things like reproduction issues, maybe it was because of a huge blowup over another child for him to support financially or a fight about paternity or abortion issues.

Next was the absolutely stupid comment about the only things she took. Most people would come up with jeans, sweater, tennis shoes, undies, nightgown, something practical OR would say that nothing was noticed missing at all.
Certainly not bikini, even while he was hammering home his lie that she ran away with an invisible lover. My husband could not tell anyone how many swimsuits I have, and I doubt Drew knew or cared how many Stacy owned. They had some kind of small pool in the backyard, and with 2 small children and the older boys, it makes sense that she would need lots of swimwear.
If she was killed due to an early pregnancy, the bikini makes even less sense and is designed as another diversionary tactic regarding his claim that " She walked out and is where she wanted to be".
But the secondary message is that Drew's thoughts were on Stacy's body. A bikini may be a subconscious way of telling us that he was thinking of body-revealing swimwear and her body vs. just saying swimsuit.

I've also doubted his claim that Stacy, at 23 years of age max, had a tummy tuck. Again, the message behind the words is that DP was thinking about her abdominal area. Most women who have tummy tucks wait until they are absolutely certain they won't desire more babies. Some lipo, if needed, maybe, but NOT something as drastic as a tummy tuck.
Unless Stacy had a tubal ligation which we are not privvy to info about, I think she would have preserved her reproductive capacity at her very young age and given the state of her current marriage.

I am almost certain from the photos I have seen of her combined with the height and weight description of her on the missing posters, that she was very tiny and at her age, she would have great skin elasticity and muscle tone and quick muscle strength rebound after only 2 pregnancies. I don't think she would have this surgery at her age, which leaves scars of varying degree on the lower abdomen and often has a very painful recovery period, depending upon the surgical technique used. I can't see how any surgeon would even consider her as an appropriate candidate.
My last thought on the tummy tuck on the grocery list of " sacrifices I have made in the name of love for Stacy" is that most doctors, ethical or otherwise, would protect the status of their tummy tightening work by telling a woman that the work would suffer greatly with another pregnancy or other large weight gain.

I saved the most incredible DP statement for last. The statement from DP and his mouthpiece atty. that there was a " tip" that she was seen with another man and had a ' tummy pudge', insinuating that there were visible signs of early pregnancy.
Of course, I think the so called tip is a complete lie by DP in addition to trying to bolster his bogus theory that she skipped with another guy, but maybe the secondary message is that his thoughts were on a pregnancy.

I think it is worth considering that Stacy might have just done a home pg. test and Drew found it in the garbabe during his excessive snooping, or that she asked for the money for an abortion, etc and he snapped, totally lost it and killed her.

One of the reasons I think her probable murder was not as well planned or organized as Kathleen's probable murder by DP is that his stories about cars being moved, her last cell phone call, and what Stacy said about leaving are conflicting, indicating that he did not plan her murder. If someone was asked to help him move a large, heavy container, as I believe they were, this adds to the theory of an unplanned rage kill.
Cops know better than anyone else that involving another person in a murder coverup is extremely dumb.

I hope this isn't stupid. I don't know what Ill. law is concerning fetal homicide but if she was pregnant and if her body can be found soon, maybe he faces 2 murder charges in her case alone.

Tom'sGirl
11-23-2007, 03:02 PM
If Stacy was at Denny's on Oct. 19th, and Drew was working, but stopped by......who was taking care of the children that afternoon/evening?

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 03:04 PM
Stacy lived in an abusive and controlling relationship. With that abuse comes emotional abuse. And the result is frequently low self-esteem. Now Stacy is chafing against the control she lived under. She has decided to leave. She knows how to reach out to an old friend, one that she had something in common with. He was a nurse, she was going to nursing college. She may also have been looking for a friend that was unrelated to the marriage. And she may have needed a boost to her self esteem to show herself that with her marriage ending, that doesn't mean that she would be alone forever. Under this scenario, it wouldn't be unusual for Stacy to flirt, maybe even to exchange 'racy' emails.

With a jealous person it doesn't take much to make them jealous. A smile at another man, too long a conversation, even a request for a divorce coupled with a meeting of a group of friends if they were not friends of the couple. So it is entirely possible that Stacy wasn't having an affair, but would have been enough to set Drew P off and enough to make him jealous. One thing that points toward Stacy not having an affair, is that she told him she was meeting with the friends at Denny's. She knew he was a jealous, controlling and abusive man. So why would she tell him that she was meeting with a group that included a lover? Why not just meet with them and not say anything? Certainly if she had been able to hide an affair, she would have been able to hide a lunch.

But just supposing that she was having an affair. So Stacy wasn't perfect? Most people aren't. And thinking of a divorce is a scary thing even if the marriage wasn't abusive. Scary enough that many people stay in an unhappy marriage rather than go through a divorce. So, if there was an affair, maybe it was Stacy's way to reconnect with her old self, the Stacy from before the marriage, the Stacy that had her pride, her independence, and her strength. The Stacy that had boyfriends. She would not be the first to take a lover at the marriage end, nor I suspect will she be the last.

DeltaDawn
11-23-2007, 03:12 PM
Great post SEEKING JANA ! I think that inbetween the lies that people tell, they invariably insert some truth, either they cannot help themselves or a portion of the truth helps cement the lie in their minds and they hope others.

My biggest qualm with According to Drew info is that he was so stupid as to make up a story of her running away with another guy..when truly it did not suit her character per friends and family. Even when she was meeting the Rossetto Brothers and Firends at Denny's, she told Drew where she was going..and he didn't like it. She had told him that she wanted a divorce. She didn't seem to shy away from the topics that were bothering her. They were in marriage counseling and she told her sister that was not going well. She seems to be a very honest person in speaking her thoughts to others.
My point is that I do not believe she would have run away with or without another man. She was trying to find an apartment..why would she do this if she was going to run away? She was seeking a divorce..why again would she do this if she was running away? Why bother to enroll in nursing school and attend classes if you are getting ready to run away. She wanted to move away..not run away...but in Drew's mind they are one in the same..so a lie with some truth mixed in to throw people off. Or so he thought. He knew friends and family knew the marriage was rocky, yet he says in his mind it was fine...because he was still in control..right up to the very minute Drew ended her life he was seeking complete and utter control over Stacy.

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 03:12 PM
For all the cheating he has been accused of doing, you would think more women would have surfaced? Unless they were married women.... It would be the M.O. of his personality to be messing around with married women.


Even his ex-wives did not want their name associated with his. And if they had problems with him in the past, but are now off his radar, why would they want to do anything that would draw his attention to them again? So it isn't that suprising that they aren't coming forward. And conversely, even women who may have dated or had an affair with him in the past and had no problem with him aren't coming forward either.

DeltaDawn
11-23-2007, 03:13 PM
If Stacy was at Denny's on Oct. 19th, and Drew was working, but stopped by......who was taking care of the children that afternoon/evening?
Probably the two older boys could care for themselves and maybe Sharon watched the two younger children for her.

ckwood32
11-23-2007, 03:24 PM
The article about the neighbor seeing Drew loading a blue barrel into his truck also said LE had good information that Stacy's body is somewhere around Scott Rossetto's house. I wonder if that's what Drew meant when he kept saying "Stacy is where she wants to be". Hmmm.

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 03:26 PM
LOL, I hope Rosetto has checked around his home and property. And I hope LE has checked with the garbage people in the area.

Tom'sGirl
11-23-2007, 03:30 PM
Probably the two older boys could care for themselves and maybe Sharon watched the two younger children for her.
I had assumed as much DD, but wonder what Stacy told Sharon was the reason for watching the 2 & 4 year olds, did Sharon know of the plans to meet at Denny's?

I would also assume that Stacy would have told Sharon about the encounter with Drew at Denny's while having dinner with S. Rossetto IF in fact Sharon was the one caring for the kids.

SeekingJana
11-23-2007, 03:32 PM
Great post SEEKING JANA ! I think that inbetween the lies that people tell, they invariably insert some truth, either they cannot help themselves or a portion of the truth helps cement the lie in their minds and they hope others.

My biggest qualm with According to Drew info is that he was so stupid as to make up a story of her running away with another guy..when truly it did not suit her character per friends and family. Even when she was meeting the Rossetto Brothers and Firends at Denny's, she told Drew where she was going..and he didn't like it. She had told him that she wanted a divorce. She didn't seem to shy away from the topics that were bothering her. They were in marriage counseling and she told her sister that was not going well. She seems to be a very honest person in speaking her thoughts to others.
My point is that I do not believe she would have run away with or without another man. She was trying to find an apartment..why would she do this if she was going to run away? She was seeking a divorce..why again would she do this if she was running away? Why bother to enroll in nursing school and attend classes if you are getting ready to run away. She wanted to move away..not run away...but in Drew's mind they are one in the same..so a lie with some truth mixed in to throw people off. Or so he thought. He knew friends and family knew the marriage was rocky, yet he says in his mind it was fine...because he was still in control..right up to the very minute Drew ended her life he was seeking complete and utter control over Stacy.

Thank you. I was sort of afraid to post what I did, because it is speculative. But I can't get over his many oblique references to her body, especially her abdominal area.

I agree that a practiced liar will insert some things which are true. A person in LE told me that very thing once.

She was planning to get away from Drew and start a life of her own for the first time ever, and had indicated to others that she feared for her safety, but apparenly she had reasons to think he was not planning violence against her or she would have fled with the youngest kids while he was at work and gone somewhere safe. I wonder what gave her a false sense of security? Was it the new diamond ring gift? Lovey dovey talk about his future plans for her?
Anyway, I think something really signficant sent him into an uncontrollable rage against Stacy at a time when she was blindsided and trapped in the house with him.

I'm not convinced that he would really have minded her leaving and getting a divorce if it was his idea or had his prior approval. After all, he had 3 prior divorces and most likely is unable to commit to anyone, or care enough to hurt if they leave. I'm sure he had several women on the side and would have found wife and child care provider #5 soon.

What DP cares about are how he looks to others publicly and about money. Loss of either would be very strong motives for him in a flashpoint rage killing.

DeltaDawn
11-23-2007, 03:46 PM
I had assumed as much DD, but wonder what Stacy told Sharon was the reason for watching the 2 & 4 year olds, did Sharon know of the plans to meet at Denny's?

I would also assume that Stacy would have told Sharon about the encounter with Drew at Denny's while having dinner with S. Rossetto IF in fact Sharon was the one caring for the kids.

I cannot find the article now, but I did read that this group meet up at Denny's was at 9:30 PM, or 9:30 PM was about the time Drew arrived . Which means, if that is correct, that she may not have needed a sitter if the two younger children were in bed and the 14 and 13 year old could take care of things until she returned.

She still may have had Sharon come over to check on things..and I think she would have been honest with Sharon.

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 03:52 PM
While I understand and agree with your statement about liars often inserting a bit of truth in every lie, I have to say I saw his statements about her body in a different way. His talk about her having "repairs" to her body, to me indicated he didn't see her as a person, she was a thing that at times needed "repair." And that the continual comments about her body, her menstural cycle because he is the one who was fixated on her body. It is a trait often seen with abusers. The spouse is not a person in their own right, they are a possession and an extension of the abuser. "My wife" to them often has the same meaning as "my car", "my house", or "my dog." They are things to be taken care of in the physical sense. And what appealed to Drew P the most, what attracted Drew P to Stacy and what he was proudest of 'owning' was her body. Did you notice that in all the talk about her body, and her alleged 'flaws', her "mood disorders" he never mentioned grief over the loss of her sister? Her sister was only mentioned in passing when he said she had been seeing a psychiatrist since the death of her sister. Grief in a possession would be something foreign to him.

Which incidently is noticed in his talk about the children. I have never heard Drew P say that the kids missed their mom. When he was asked about the kids he danced around the question then said the older kids were staying busy and the younger kids were told their mother was on vacation and they played with them.

Leila
11-23-2007, 03:53 PM
I am glad the Rossetto brothers have come out and told their side of the story, because in a way it is Stacy's side too. They were all just frends and I do believe that. I don't think Stacy was going to jump from the frying pan into the fire. I think that just trying to get an attorney, divorce Drew, move into an apartment with the kids, and continue nursing school would have been overwhelming to say the least. I think that these brothers were friends, and people she felt she could trust. Also remember they are nurses and that is what she was going to school for. There were other friends with them at Denny's so it is not like they were alone, planning a fling. With everything Stacy was trying to accomplish she would have needed friends and family to help bolster her and pull her through. So I don't find her having lunch with a group of friends odd..I think that it is quite normal for all of us to have friends.

I'm glad the Rossetto brothers have come out with their side of the story too. I think this really shows that DP can't fathom people of the opposite sex being just friends. His concept of a male-female relationship is nothing more than romance and sex - he'd never consider a female being a friend with no romance/sex involved.

Leila
11-23-2007, 04:05 PM
"A police source says they have "good information" Stacy was dumped in the Shorewood area near the home of Rossetto. Another source said investigators believe the killer may have attempted to frame Rossetto by depositing the body near his house."

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/663574,4_1_JO23_PETERSON_S1.article

This is just speculation, but remembering back to the very beginning of this............Drew was wearing that bandana to cover his face, along with sunglasses and a NYPD hat. It was very obvious that he didn't want to be seen. He was hiding from someone.

In reading that sentence quoted above, I'm wondering if someone in the Shorewood saw DP that Sunday - Oct. 28 - in the Shorewood area, and DP knows he was seen and was hiding from being identified?

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 04:10 PM
"A police source says they have "good information" Stacy was dumped in the Shorewood area near the home of Rossetto. Another source said investigators believe the killer may have attempted to frame Rossetto by depositing the body near his house."

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/663574,4_1_JO23_PETERSON_S1.article

This is just speculation, but remembering back to the very beginning of this............Drew was wearing that bandana to cover his face, along with sunglasses and a NYPD hat. It was very obvious that he didn't want to be seen. He was hiding from someone.

In reading that sentence quoted above, I'm wondering if someone in the Shorewood saw DP that Sunday - Oct. 28 - in the Shorewood area, and DP knows he was seen and was hiding from being identified?

That is what I have always thought. I think Drew P knew he was seen by a witness who didn't know him. And he hid his face to keep them from recognizing him. But media managed to get his face out by putting up family pictures that he was in. It was just after that when Drew P quit wearing his disguises. I think after that he thought it was useless.

Tom'sGirl
11-23-2007, 04:18 PM
I'm glad the Rossetto brothers have come out with their side of the story too. I think this really shows that DP can't fathom people of the opposite sex being just friends. His concept of a male-female relationship is nothing more than romance and sex - he'd never consider a female being a friend with no romance/sex involved.

The problem is with friends of the opposite sex you don't exchange sexual messages unless you are kidding around, or referring to someone else.

My husband never felt threatened in any way by my male friends, but had he heard or read of sexual things between my male friends and me personally he would not have thought it okay.

I'm in no way defending DP, just stating that most would not consider it okay to exchange such conversations, and then meet with that person even if others were present.

SeekingJana
11-23-2007, 04:38 PM
While I understand and agree with your statement about liars often inserting a bit of truth in every lie, I have to say I saw his statements about her body in a different way. His talk about her having "repairs" to her body, to me indicated he didn't see her as a person, she was a thing that at times needed "repair." And that the continual comments about her body, her menstural cycle because he is the one who was fixated on her body. It is a trait often seen with abusers. The spouse is not a person in their own right, they are a possession and an extension of the abuser. "My wife" to them often has the same meaning as "my car", "my house", or "my dog." They are things to be taken care of in the physical sense. And what appealed to Drew P the most, what attracted Drew P to Stacy and what he was proudest of 'owning' was her body. Did you notice that in all the talk about her body, and her alleged 'flaws', her "mood disorders" he never mentioned grief over the loss of her sister? Her sister was only mentioned in passing when he said she had been seeing a psychiatrist since the death of her sister. Grief in a possession would be something foreign to him.

Which incidently is noticed in his talk about the children. I have never heard Drew P say that the kids missed their mom. When he was asked about the kids he danced around the question then said the older kids were staying busy and the younger kids were told their mother was on vacation and they played with them.

I agree with you.There's no question that he has depersonalized her since the murder. However, don't murderers usually seek emotional distance from their victims? Do we know if he used depersonalization in his statements about her while she was alive? If so, those statements would be more indicative of his long term ideation regarding Stacy.

His actions were certainly those of a control freak, but after knowing what a dog he was, cheating all the time for many years and through 4 marriages and 6 children, his attempts to control another person may be his projection of his own sexual promiscuity onto Stacy more than an actual need or desire to control her. Since he was a slut in his marriage, he thought his wife was just like him, sleepng around and cruising for the next bed partner. It's not rational, it's projection.

The specific nature of the extra details he throws in ad lib are what I think may be the " bit of truth in the lies".
IOW, his words may be focused only on creating doubt and an alibi, but his subconscious may be telling the thoughts which trouble him most within the many depersonalizating statements.

JMO, I hope we will have answers soon!
Maria

Leila
11-23-2007, 04:41 PM
That is what I have always thought. I think Drew P knew he was seen by a witness who didn't know him. And he hid his face to keep them from recognizing him. But media managed to get his face out by putting up family pictures that he was in. It was just after that when Drew P quit wearing his disguises. I think after that he thought it was useless.


If just one person can put DP in a specific location at a certain time on Sun. Oct. 28th, that might go a long ways to finding Stacy. That article states that LE has "good information", and that sounds like it's solid information. Hopefully, DP was observed doing something unusual that would make the person who saw him, remember him.

Mysticchic
11-23-2007, 04:55 PM
Okay, I know I asked this before and I need an answer quick ..about chorine (SP) what does it do to blood and to DNA and a body? PM or email me what you can find...we need it for a story...|mystic

Mysticchic
11-23-2007, 04:57 PM
Sharron watchs the little ones all the time...she took them trick or treating with her...since Stacy went missing..Drews brother confronted Sharron and told her she caused all this with the media...

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 04:57 PM
If just one person can put DP in a specific location at a certain time on Sun. Oct. 28th, that might go a long ways to finding Stacy. That article states that LE has "good information", and that sounds like it's solid information. Hopefully, DP was observed doing something unusual that would make the person who saw him, remember him.

Just a guess. But LE focus seems to have changed from looking at water, to looking in areas around Rosetto based on a source. I don't think Drew P was seen with the body. But I think he was seen in the area, and I think Drew P knows someone noticed him.

TGIRecovered
11-23-2007, 05:00 PM
Susan, you really should tip every news agency out there.

SuziQ, you can pass it on if you want to , or maybe someone else has time. I gotta run...way too much to get done today, kids are impatient, house a wreck and my jeans are hurting my tummy. My husband can't afford to get me a tummy tuck, but then he is not a crook like DP, thank God!

Susan

Jaded
11-23-2007, 05:03 PM
The article about the neighbor seeing Drew loading a blue barrel into his truck also said LE had good information that Stacy's body is somewhere around Scott Rossetto's house. I wonder if that's what Drew meant when he kept saying "Stacy is where she wants to be". Hmmm.

I've wondered that myself.


That is what I have always thought. I think Drew P knew he was seen by a witness who didn't know him. And he hid his face to keep them from recognizing him. But media managed to get his face out by putting up family pictures that he was in. It was just after that when Drew P quit wearing his disguises. I think after that he thought it was useless.

Do you think that he is constantly mentioning his 30 pound weight loss as a way to alter a witness's memory? It seems he is very adamant about mentioning this either because he wants to show how stressed he really is, or for some other purpose. Honestly, he doesn't look like he has lost 30 pounds, imo. He looks like a bloated alcoholic.

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 05:06 PM
I agree with you.There's no question that he has depersonalized her since the murder. However, don't murderers usually seek emotional distance from their victims? Do we know if he used depersonalization in his statements about her while she was alive? If so, those statements would be more indicative of his long term ideation regarding Stacy.

His actions were certainly those of a control freak, but after knowing what a dog he was, cheating all the time for many years and through 4 marriages and 6 children, his attempts to control another person may be his projection of his own sexual promiscuity onto Stacy more than an actual need or desire to control her. Since he was a slut in his marriage, he thought his wife was just like him, sleepng around and cruising for the next bed partner. It's not rational, it's projection.

The specific nature of the extra details he throws in ad lib are what I think may be the " bit of truth in the lies".
IOW, his words may be focused only on creating doubt and an alibi, but his subconscious may be telling the thoughts which trouble him most within the many depersonalizating statements.

JMO, I hope we will have answers soon!
Maria

True and police officers and other emergency personnel often use a type of dark humor to handle stressors.

But it is things like using she had "mood disorders" and "her menstural cycle" as an excuse instead of "difficulty with grief over her sisters death" that is most telling to me. The perfect reasoning was there, and he didn't use it. It is like he never even thought that her sister's death should affect her to any degree. Yet she is a woman who named her daughter after her young sister who had died. A daughter who searched for her mother. A woman who had suffered a lot of loss in her life. Yet he didn't seem to recognize any grief over her sister's death. And the loss of a close relative has caused many a person to reevaluate their own lives. But no it was her hormones. Her feelings weren't important to him, her body was.

curiositycat
11-23-2007, 05:35 PM
Again indications of his sociopath behavior



True and police officers and other emergency personnel often use a type of dark humor to handle stressors.

But it is things like using she had "mood disorders" and "her menstural cycle" as an excuse instead of "difficulty with grief over her sisters death" that is most telling to me. The perfect reasoning was there, and he didn't use it. It is like he never even thought that her sister's death should affect her to any degree. Yet she is a woman who named her daughter after her young sister who had died. A daughter who searched for her mother. A woman who had suffered a lot of loss in her life. Yet he didn't seem to recognize any grief over her sister's death. And the loss of a close relative has caused many a person to reevaluate their own lives. But no it was her hormones. Her feelings weren't important to him, her body was.

SeekingJana
11-23-2007, 05:48 PM
Okay, I know I asked this before and I need an answer quick ..about chorine (SP) what does it do to blood and to DNA and a body? PM or email me what you can find...we need it for a story...|mystic

Not sure if you have your answer yet. I don't know that much, and am relying on memory but here are some things I remember about chlorine:

The element Chloride is inert in the pure state. Ordinary table salt is Sodium Chloride. (NaCl).

When pure chloride salts are combined with H2O in the presence of air, it forms chlorine gas, which damages lung tissue and can cause death. It is stable in solution ( liquid) when bound in the hypochloride state to sodium.
Chlorine-based bleach soluton ( Sodium Hypochloride) can render some blood- illuminating sources such as Luminol ineffective and give misleading results, either false negative or false positives. Surfaces which contained blood and were cleaned with bleach will illuminate as broadly smeared surfaces. Trained investigatory teams can usually tell when bleach was used to clean a non-porous surface.

As to what it does to visible blood, again, the common chlorine derivative in household bleach will cause blood to be invisible to the eye, but spots where the blood was deposited will still test positive with an anhydrine nitrate solution. ( I do not know the exact name).
DNA is degraded by strong alkalis and acids. However, there are now testing methods which can restore the pH and/ or replicate the damaged segments.

You asked what Chlorine will do to a body. Do you mean will it either preserve it or hasten decomp? Or do you mean, will its presence show up in tissue histology after autopsy? I only know that histology of lung tissues in a drowning victim who drowned in a chlorinated pool will be different than that of a person who drowned in saltwater. One is a so-called " dry drowning" with little water or normal surfactant present in lung tissues, the other is a " wet drowning" with fluid present in lung tissue. I THINK that drowning in a chlorinated pool gives the properties of " wet drowning" and saltwater drowning causes the lung tissues to lack normal surfactant, but I may have them reversed.

I know more about what Chloride does in a live person.
In a live person, the element Chloride is essential for maintaining acid-base balance.
The amount of chloride in blood cells is regulated in the kidney.
Chloride in the CNS neurons inhibits the actions of glycine and the actions of GABA ( Gamma Amino Benzoic Acid) are regulated by Cl-.
Normal Cl- level in an adult is around 100.

I hope this is helpful and correct.

Leila
11-23-2007, 05:49 PM
Just a guess. But LE focus seems to have changed from looking at water, to looking in areas around Rosetto based on a source. I don't think Drew P was seen with the body. But I think he was seen in the area, and I think Drew P knows someone noticed him.

I've been busy the last week and haven't been able to devote as much time to this as I'd like to, but I haven't seen any articles pertaining to the search being continued. I know Equasearch pulled out of searching, but does anyone know if there's still an active search by Ill. LE still going on? Last week there was a report that LE was going to bring in a search team from Minnesota. Did that happen?

I hope that for as long as the weather holds in their favor LE is doing everything possible to continue the search.