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KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 11:20 AM
JUST REPORTED ON fOX NEWS ILLINOIS "TOP DOG" Police chief wants Drew Peterson presecuted for his third wife's murder and fourth wife's disappearance. According to Fox, The Chief was at one time Drew's ally, but has now changed and shifted his position concerning this case, and the death of Kathy Savio.


I believe now that more and more evidence, facts are coming forward, people are beginning to put two and two together, which is making Drew look more and more guiltier by the second. I suspect will see more and more turn on him, who once had his back, was involved in the past in situations concerning Drew and his wives. The 18 domestic violence reports just can't be ignored, even by law enforcement.

We currently have Stacy and Kathy's family against Drew, Sharon, their neighbor, Ric Mims and now the Top Dog of the police department. Since Drew has now resigned, he can't be internally investigated from the internal affairs department, which has the police chief upset. Has me upset too!

I think Drew's Modus Operanti: for wife number 3 and 4 is he murdered both the same way. Ashpixiation. He killed Kathy in the home, after beating her and sophicating her, to leave her body for someone else to find. Which wasn't his original plan, but he then had to change plans and be the one to find her.

So he learned from that incident, after beating and sophicating Stacey, he learned to remove the body, which was a mistake in his wife number 3's case. He wanted to make sure her body couldn't be found and traced back to him as the murderer. I believe both women were killed in the same manner, just the bodies were disposed of in a different manner, he having learned from the first murder.

With the Grand jury still convening concerning these cases, I feel more evidence coming out will cause even more, especially in law enforcement to take a second much needed look at Drew and his shady murderous activities.

All evidence is pointing to Drew. Too many coinincidences to not be him. I read on another thread that "Steve Casereno knew about Stacey's diary, I hope this is false and not true. I don't trust Steve. I think he's the same narcissist sociopath as Drew is. Why haven't we heard or seen anything from his wife? I want to see the video tape of Drew taking Kathy down while Stacey filmed in front of Steve in Kathy's yard. We must demand this tape to surface. Also the diary. I believe that diary is longggggggg gone by now. If Steve knew of the diary, we know Drew did.

Drew is going down. It may take a year, just like it did for Scott, but it will happen. I believe this police department will be investigated too, or it should be. :dance: :dance: High five to the Top Dog Police Chief.

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 11:34 AM
JUST REPORTED ON fOX NEWS ILLINOIS "TOP DOG" Police chief wants Drew Peterson presecuted for his third wife's murder and fourth wife's disappearance. According to Fox, The Chief was at one time Drew's ally, but has now changed and shifted his position concerning this case, and the death of Kathy Savio.

I think Drew's Modus Operanti: for wife number 3 and 4 is he murdered both the same way. Ashpixiation. He killed Kathy in the home, after beating her and sophicating her, to leave her body for someone else to find. Which wasn't his original plan, but he then had to change plans and be the one to find her.

Drew is going down. It may take a year, just like it did for Scott, but it will happen. I believe this police department will be investigated too, or it should be. :dance: :dance: High five to the Top Dog Police Chief.

I'm not aware of the Chief ever being supportive of Drew.

Kathy Drowned.

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 11:42 AM
I'm not aware of the Chief ever being supportive of Drew.

Kathy Drowned.


He may have not beein openly supportive, but someone in higher up places had to be on Drew's side for ages now, he was too controlling and abusive with relationships. To have bugged phone lines, if other than a personal contraption placed somewhere in the home to record, it would require the phone company, or an agency with authority to bug a line.

I'm just reporting what was said on Fox. Fox said the police chief has turned on Drew. I also heard it reported several times, from the autopsy reports Kathy was beaten, asphixiated and drown.

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 11:55 AM
Here are the autopsy link. Asphyxia is never mentioned.

http://www.amw.com/pdf/petersoncoroner.pdf

The current Chief has only held his position for a couple of years.

ETA: I removed most of the links I posted as I realized later they were not related to the autopsy.

Vegas Bride
11-21-2007, 11:56 AM
Not sure is this has been posted already but the police dept has a website www.bolingbrook.com (http://www.bolingbrook.com) there are links there for e-mailing the chief and also phone numbers for many local politicians etc. I checked it wondering if there would be photos of their officers but couldn't find that. They do have a link there for Stacy with the basic missing person information and photo. I found it interesting that it said the last time someone had contact with her was when she talked to her friend she was going to help paint, no mention of when Drew says she called him.

VB

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 12:50 PM
ooohh, good info Vegas Bride.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 01:14 PM
He may have not beein openly supportive, but someone in higher up places had to be on Drew's side for ages now, he was too controlling and abusive with relationships. To have bugged phone lines, if other than a personal contraption placed somewhere in the home to record, it would require the phone company, or an agency with authority to bug a line.

I'm just reporting what was said on Fox. Fox said the police chief has turned on Drew. I also heard it reported several times, from the autopsy reports Kathy was beaten, asphixiated and drown.

Kool look,
The current chief of police was not there when these other things happened, Drew being fired, Kathleen's death. He has been on the force only since August of 2005.

He also is the person who was having Drew investigated due to a bad call he made just this past fall. Because Drew resigned before that investigation and hearing could start the investigation had to stop. That is why the chief of police did not accept Drew's resignation, because it would have terminated the investigation into Drew's behavior on the job.

Then we have the Mayor of BB overturning that decision and accepting Drew's resignation. Then the police and Fireman's committe meets and upheld the decision by the mayor. The mayor however has been in power and in control through all of this. I would start looking at him as to why Drew The Loose Cannon was able to be on this police force and making that kind of money and getting away with murder.

I believe the current chief of police is a stand up guy.

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 01:22 PM
I'm not aware of the Chief ever being supportive of Drew.

Kathy Drowned.

[QUOTE=Vegas Bride;1808082]Not sure is this has been posted already but the police dept has a website www.bolingbrook.com (http://www.bolingbrook.com) there are links there for e-mailing the chief and also phone numbers for many local politicians etc. I checked it wondering if there would be photos of their officers but couldn't find that. They do have a link there for Stacy with the basic missing person information and photo. I found it interesting that it said the last time someone had contact with her was when she talked to her friend she was going to help paint, no mention of when Drew says she called him.

Thanks for the link vegas Bride. I have wanted this type of thing to happen since the beginning. For any law enforcement, any associates to start breaking the code of silence. I think this is pivotal and important to solving and bringing Drew to justice. Most all of us from the very beginning have wondered why the police wasn't, didn't do something about Kathy's many complaints, allegations and formal letters she had written putting all those in authority on notice of her suspicisions, threats and abuse, for it to go un-heard, or intentionally covered up.

I always felt if law enforcement would come clean, do their jobs this case could move forward correctly. If they were and are hindering evidence, there would be many things left unanswered. This gives me some hope we'll all get to the bottom of Stacey's and Kathy's cases.

For the police chief to come out publically and state he wants Drew prosecuted, I feel is big news.

As far as Kathy's autopsy's, I believe I heard Micheal Biden himself mention the asphixiation on Greta's and or Nancy grace's show in the last week. I've been watching this two channels closely getting my current up to date news concerning this case.

I've heard actually two different scenerios of Kathy's autopsies. That there was a little fluid, (water), in her nasal area and throat, I can't remember exactly, so I don't want to give the wrong information.

I heard also her throat area showed trauma, causing some asphixiation. Which led me to believe she was being choked, and her ehad, face being forced down into the tub area, causing drowning also.

In trying to visually see in my mind the actual murder taking place, I envision Drew and Kathy arguing, after he showed up un-announced, Drew becoming agrressive, abusing and beating Kathy. He then proceeded to murder her, as he sees this beating has went to far to just be explained away to fellow law enforcement, so he has to kill her.

He then begins to drag her to the bathroom, thus explaining the redness, scraping and bruising on her left arms, hand, wrists and buttocks, forcing her into the bathroom, then onto the tub area.

As he gets her physically on the floor of the bathroom, he forces her head into the tub, the whole time Kathy is struggling and fighting back, knowing he is going to kill her at this time. He tries to run water in the tub to drown her as he's fighting with a struggling Kathy, which would be hard within itself to do. He eventually gets her unconscious with the choking and possible gash in back of head, then proceeds to finish her off in the tub.

So I see a combination of two causes of death for Kathy with the three abdomen traumas contributing to her abililty to fight off her attacker. If they were hard enough hits, I could see this trauma causing her to loose consciousness also.

I believe the bathroom scene is not where the struggle began, but where it ended, for I have read and heard several reports of crime scene staging at Kathy's home. I believe this is true. Especially after visualizing her hair being thrown from the back to over her head and falling across the top of her face.

Which I believe possibly Stacey was beaten, choked and possibly placed in their private master bathroom and finished off, just like Kathy. Which would help with the forensic evidence being washed away, and no messy crime scene. Then placed in something, possibly the blue container, and taken out of the home dead and disposed of.

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 01:33 PM
Kool look,
The current chief of police was not there when these other things happened, Drew being fired, Kathleen's death. He has been on the force only since August of 2005.

He also is the person who was having Drew investigated due to a bad call he made just this past fall. Because Drew resigned before that investigation and hearing could start the investigation had to stop. That is why the chief of police did not accept Drew's resignation, because it would have terminated the investigation into Drew's behavior on the job.

Then we have the Mayor of BB overturning that decision and accepting Drew's resignation. Then the police and Fireman's committe meets and upheld the decision by the mayor. The mayor however has been in power and in control through all of this. I would start looking at him as to why Drew The Loose Cannon was able to be on this police force and making that kind of money and getting away with murder.

I believe the current chief of police is a stand up guy.

I understand what your saying, and I agree. What I don't understand is ???? :waitasec: did I give an impression or contradict anything he's done? My thread was to inform us that he's wanting Drew prosecuted! I think is great news, nothing more was I saying than this concerning the Chief. I'm not referring to any of his past or present actions concerning Drew, for I don't even know them all. It seems to me he is a stand up guy also, I hope he continues to do his job and let the evidence lead him to any and all actions he must take.

I see Drews's circle closing in on him. I think Steve Casernero knows more than he's saying though.

My computer is acting up at this site, is anyone elses? It's quoting quotes in my posts, double quoting, etc... editing to try and clean up the errors.

chicoliving
11-21-2007, 01:39 PM
According to the autopsy report (the link is here somewhere) there was no trauma to Kathleen's throat, thyroid or hyoid bone. So there was no strangulation or attempt. Her cause of death remains drowning.....Dr. Baden says the manner of death is homicide. The results of the autopsy done by the ME this time around have not been made public.

I don't recall the chief ever saying he was Drew's ally, so that is probably just Fox commentary and not necessarily the truth of the matter.

Here's a link to an interview with Greta and the Chief McGury

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308472,00.html

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 01:42 PM
The autopsy clearly states that Kathleen had Moderate Pulmonary Edema. That means water in the lungs. While Baden came to a different conclusion for COD. He did not find anything additional or different than the original autopsy.

http://www.amw.com/pdf/coronerdeathreport.pdf

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 01:45 PM
MSNBC now reporting the Police Chief wanted Drew prosecuted right after Stacey's disappeance because of severe Departmental violations.

Also MSNBC is reporting now that Drew's former fiance is claiming Drew stalked her even after their break up and arrested her for minor parking violations.

I was wondering and hoping that their was more women we were not aware of that would come forward and speak up about Drew's character, personality and how he treated them during their relationships. Looks like we will be learning more and more.

This is stacking up so closely just like Scott Peterson's case. About a month after Laci's disappeance is when Amber Frey came out into the public and made her announcement of their affair.

I remember when Laci's case went public, it took four months for her body to wash up ashore and be located, hopefully we'll see Stacey located, alive, if not, at least located. The walls are closing in. I think there is so much to this Drew.

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 01:51 PM
According to the autopsy report (the link is here somewhere) there was no trauma to Kathleen's throat, thyroid or hyoid bone. So there was no strangulation or attempt. Her cause of death remains drowning.....Dr. Baden says the manner of death is homicide. The results of the autopsy done by the ME this time around have not been made public.

I don't recall the chief ever saying he was Drew's ally, so that is probably just Fox commentary and not necessarily the truth of the matter.

Here's a link to an interview with Greta and the Chief McGury

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308472,00.html

I believe I heard Biden mention earlier this week, about asphixiation concerning Kathy, did anyone else hear this? It was either on Greta or Nancy's show. I'm not saying she didn't have water in her lungs, or didn't drown. I thought I heard Biden say he believes asphixiation and drowning caused her death. No mention of the throat or bones therein having trauma.

Wonder if Greta's show and Nancy's where Biden gave his interviews, if we have any transcripts where we can get a record of it? I do want to repeat, I'm not disputing the autopsy report, especially about drowning. I'm just saying he mentioned it. I haven't even read the autopsy reports. I was commenting on what I visualized having happened during the actual murder that caused and led to her death as I could see it actually playing out between Drew and Kathy.

It could very well be Fox's commentary, for they did say he was Drew's former ally, that was the teaser they used before they went on break and said in fifteen minutes one of Drews former allies has turned against him. I haven't heard alot concerning the police chief until recently, so I don't know what others may have heard, seen or read from other media and reporting sites, etc...

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 02:01 PM
I believe I heard Biden mention earlier this week, about asphixiation concerning Kathy, did anyone else hear this?

I absolutely DID NOT hear Dr. Baden say this!

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 02:01 PM
Asphixiation means a lack of oxygen. That can be caused by strangulation, smothering or drowning. Because it is a technical term it wouldn't be uncommon for a forensic pathologist to use that term in a general way to indicate any of the above.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/asphyxia

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?asphyxia

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 02:06 PM
Bolingbrook Police Chief Raymond McGury says he filed a written complaint with the Fire and Police board on Nov. 14 seeking disciplinary action against Drew Peterson.

WBBM’s Lisa Fielding reports.

McGury says, over the past year, there were more severe internal issues at hand. He would only say there were violations of departmental rules and that he would be talking with the Will County State's attorney about possible criminal charges.

He wouldn't get specific but said "what he was talking about would NOT lend itself to tip this over to now bring an indictment against him for some crime related to the disappearance of Stacy or the State Police investigation into the death of Kathleen Savio."

http://www.wbbm780.com/Bolingbrook-Cop-Chief-Sought-To-Discipline-Peterso/1237403

Also, the police chief says he is getting death threats.

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 02:07 PM
Asphixiation means a lack of oxygen. That can be caused by strangulation, smothering or drowning. Because it is a technical term it wouldn't be uncommon for a forensic pathologist to use that term in a general way to indicate any of the above.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/asphyxia

In a an indirect way yes, you get into hypoxia(sp) or something like that. Which is something like holding your breath under water, going unconscious, then inhaling water and drowning. Which could have very well happened to Kathleen.

chicoliving
11-21-2007, 02:08 PM
Here's a link or two of Baden/Greta interviews

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312208,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312330,00.html

I don't know if those will help or not :)

itsreenw
11-21-2007, 02:14 PM
I believe it was homicide by drowning. I never heard anything about asphyxia. Is there a link to where asphyxiation was mentioned so we can be clear on that? Want to make sure we are all getting the right info.

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 02:20 PM
itsreenw, I don't know if Baden ever said it. But I did happen to know that asphyxia is a lack of oxygen. And in a drowning death, the water causes a lack of oxygen and it is the lack of oxygen which actually causes death. So it wouldn't be uncommon for Baden to use that term in a drowning death.

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 02:30 PM
:blushing: Asphixiation means a lack of oxygen. That can be caused by strangulation, smothering or drowning. Because it is a technical term it wouldn't be uncommon for a forensic pathologist to use that term in a general way to indicate any of the above.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/asphyxia

http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?asphyxia

This is how I took it to mean, but wasn't prepared to get into saying it so scientifically as you have, thanks. I came to this conclusion after hearing it put this way, which caused me to visualize it mentally and then I could agree with what I had just heard reported and found myself saying, Ah Hmmm, now I can understand what their trying to say. After reading this post, it also jogged my memory for me, which is how it was put when I heard it. Thanks again, I wasn't able to express myself.

Here's a link or two of Baden/Greta interviews

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312208,00.html

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312330,00.html

I don't know if those will help or not :)

I am going off to read them now, I'm sure they'll help, also mysteryview's post helped jog my memory as I had took it to mean when I actually heard the explanations. Thanks. I will read.

I believe it was homicide by drowning. I never heard anything about asphyxia. Is there a link to where asphyxiation was mentioned so we can be clear on that? Want to make sure we are all getting the right info.


I'm off to read links chico provided, also scroll up and see mysteryviews post, it better explains how I had actually heard it, once my memory was jogged. It does make sense, at least to me :blushing: I was better able to see mentally how this could happen and unfold during the actual murder of Kathy. There would have to be a lot of physical force being used against Kathy to beat her, move her and stage the scene. The injuries on her hand, wrist and elbow cause me to believe this happened during dragging or lifting and throwing her towards the bathroom and tub area.

I'm still trying to figure out the head gash, what was used. The other injuries came from possible kicking her, abdomen injuries, scrapes and redness, from struggling. Can't figure out what caused the head gash? I need to go read, but I believe I heard too there was a bruise on the cheek?

i.b.nora
11-21-2007, 02:30 PM
From the links ChicoLiving provided:

"VAN SUSTEREN: I assume you looked to see whether there was any indication whether she'd been strangled.

BADEN: No indication of strangulation.

VAN SUSTEREN: Positive about that?

BADEN: Yes."

and

BADEN: No, I was more convinced because one of the reasons to do a second autopsy is to make sure that a mistake wasn't made in the first autopsy. It's amazing how often we can read autopsy reports and then we look at the body, there are differences.

In this instance, I think Dr. Mitchell (ph) did the autopsy, did a fine autopsy. The findings are not a problem. And I was able to reconfirm that there was no other competing cause of death, that the death was drowning, the lungs were present. So I think this further confirms my impression after reading the autopsy that it should not have been listed as an accident but should have been called a homicide back in 2004 and should have been further investigated at that time just on the basis of the autopsy findings, let alone all the other information that the police had about the spousal abuse and orders of protection and threats of violence to her."

mysteriew
11-21-2007, 03:16 PM
I guess what I am trying to say is that both terms would be correct. The drowning, the water prevents proper exchange of oxygen and oxygen is needed to be sent to the brain. The act of depriving the brain of oxygen is asphyxiation. Drowning is a more specific term, and asphyxiation is a more general term that covers other things that can deprive the brain of oxygen such as strangulation and smothering as well as drowning.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 04:06 PM
Bolingbrook Police Chief Raymond McGury says he filed a written complaint with the Fire and Police board on Nov. 14 seeking disciplinary action against Drew Peterson.

McGury says, over the past year, there were more severe internal issues at hand. He would only say there were violations of departmental rules and that he would be talking with the Will County State's attorney about possible criminal charges.

http://www.wbbm780.com/Bolingbrook-Cop-Chief-Sought-To-Discipline-Peterso/1237403

Also, the police chief says he is getting death threats.

This then tells us Drew was a dirty cop who after all these years in the dept still couldn't follow the rules of conduct for officers.
No surprise there.

So between these police dept infractions, Kathleens death and now Stay's missing presumed dead I do think one of these, if not all will stick and Drew will be spending quite sometime in jail.

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 04:31 PM
This then tells us Drew was a dirty cop who after all these years in the dept still couldn't follow the rules of conduct for officers.
No surprise there.

So between these police dept infractions, Kathleens death and now Stay's missing presumed dead I do think one of these, if not all will stick and Drew will be spending quite sometime in jail.


I've been thinking about it, concerning Drew and a prosecution. I think we will see first charges brought up against him for the murder of Kathy Savio, I think it will be tried and prosecuted, then charges of Stacey will follow suit, unless her body is recovered within a year.

I wonder what rules and violations he broke? Could be very telling. It must be bad considering how the chief is pushing it, and how he has described it. severe departmental violations. Wonder if any police brutality is included.

chicoliving
11-21-2007, 04:47 PM
Behind closed doors, McGury talked about serious internal violations by Peterson over the last year. They do not include anything involving the death or disappearance of Peterson's wives. He was suspended in September for serious lack of judgment involving a police pursuit. The chief says it is a pursuit that never should have happened and taht he felt an internal investigation might have been serious enough to bring Peterson's termination.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5777049

"Throughout the course of this investigation, certain issues have been developed and raised that concern me enough to bring this forward to the board of police and fire commission to see his termination," McGury said.

He wouldn't say exactly what the violations Peterson is accused of are, but he did say they came to light as a result of the state's ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Peterson's wife, Stacy Peterson. Peterson has been named a suspect in her disappearance.

McGury also said the incidents occurred over the past 12 months and were "severe internal violations of general orders."

http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/drew.peterson.mother.2.591663.html


I cut down his remarks to this:

In the last 12 months severe internal violations of general orders came to light during the investigation of Stacy's disappearance.

KOOL LOOK
11-21-2007, 05:00 PM
The link Chico provided states the chief says, " the mis-conduct could rise to the level of criminal conduct." Hmmmm, that's pretty serious. This is very interesting, considering this all happened in September, a month before Stacey went missing.

This is circumstantial, but I wonder if Stacey knew something about this pursuit that should never have happened. This could just lead an honest person with common sense to think this was a lot of pressure for Peterson. We previously didn't know the heat was on him prior to Stacey missing.

It's all coming undone, Drew needs to confess, get his publicity seeking attorney to represent him and spin his defense, he's sooo busted in my eyes.

He's sooooooo cocky though, I doubt a confession is in the making, he doesn't appear to have the type of personality. Maybe with some in the department being so angry at him, especially since their receiving death threats, they will look real hard for Stacey. Leave no stone unturned. That could make a difference.

BarnGoddess
11-21-2007, 05:29 PM
I would offer this:

She was beaten senseless, maybe to the point of unconsciousness, then put or fell into the tub. She may have then drowned. Perhaps she was getting ready for a bath when the murderer came in. Do we know exactly how she was dressed?

cricket
11-21-2007, 05:51 PM
I would think that there are some rule violations that could also be charged criminally, and not just disciplined internally. I don't know what the laws are in Illinois, but it may be against the law to tape someone's telephone conversations without their knowledge and consent. Having someone arrested on bogus charges could also be criminal. I think they may have found out about things he was doing to stalk his wife and her friends and relatives that could be illegal, regardless of the fact that he was a police officer.

chicoliving
11-21-2007, 05:54 PM
~snip~

The police department launched the internal affairs investigation of Peterson sometime after the fourth wife, Stacy Peterson, was reported missing, and before he was suspended without pay Nov. 9, said Lt. Ken Teppel.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/660364,4_1_JO21_PETERSON_S1.article

ooo much more at link

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 05:57 PM
I guess what I am trying to say is that both terms would be correct. The drowning, the water prevents proper exchange of oxygen and oxygen is needed to be sent to the brain. The act of depriving the brain of oxygen is asphyxiation. Drowning is a more specific term, and asphyxiation is a more general term that covers other things that can deprive the brain of oxygen such as strangulation and smothering as well as drowning.

And thanks for reminding me of this! In my mind I was thinking of asphyxia as in strangulation and smothering or compression. I totally get what Kool look was trying to say now. Sorry Kool look. :blowkiss:

Mysticchic
11-21-2007, 06:15 PM
think police batton

SuziQ
11-21-2007, 06:53 PM
I would offer this:

She was beaten senseless, maybe to the point of unconsciousness, then put or fell into the tub. She may have then drowned. Perhaps she was getting ready for a bath when the murderer came in. Do we know exactly how she was dressed?

She was naked.

STEADFAST
11-21-2007, 07:17 PM
She was naked.

Also, she had long hair, but did not have it tied or pinned up. Others have stated she always put it up before a bath. And anyone with long hair already knows it would be gross to take a bath with your hair hanging down into it.

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 07:26 PM
Also, she had long hair, but did not have it tied or pinned up. Others have stated she always put it up before a bath. And anyone with long hair already knows it would be gross to take a bath with your hair hanging down into it.

Agreed, unless you were planning on washing it in the tub, which I do in my patio tub.

SeriouslySearching
11-21-2007, 08:03 PM
think police batonI have been thinking this for awhile after they described the bruises as being oval in shape. It would fit. Besides, he would have it handy not to mention know how to use it effectively.

SeriouslySearching
11-21-2007, 08:04 PM
She was naked.We know it is how she was found, but was she naked during the beating and subsequent drowning?

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 09:01 PM
SS, I'm not sure anyone other then Drew can answer that question for you. If she was clothed he obviously got rid of the clothes...which wouldn't have been hard at that time since no one really looked into her death to any degree and everyone seemed to believe the story Drew told..except her family. He was bold enogh I can even see him taking the clothes, washing them and drying them in her house and then placing them back where they belonged. He had atleast the whole weekend to accomplish cleaning up the scene, which he must have done other then the tub. As a cop he would know what to take care of and what to leave as it was.

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 09:10 PM
SS, I'm not sure anyone other then Drew can answer that question for you. If she was clothed he obviously got rid of the clothes...which wouldn't have been hard at that time since no one really looked into her death to any degree and everyone seemed to believe the story Drew told..except her family. He was bold enogh I can even see him taking the clothes, washing them and drying them in her house and then placing them back where they belonged. He had atleast the whole weekend to accomplish cleaning up the scene, which he must have done other then the tub. As a cop he would know what to take care of and what to leave as it was.
You know Delta, it has always struck me strange. Why would he clean up anything as he didn't live there, he had his own home with Stacy.

I would think he would have left that up to her direct Savio family members as their two sons would be living with him.

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 09:16 PM
Yes, I thought that was not the way things normally go in these situations. But according to Steve there was Drew cleaning up the bathroom as soon as LE had gotten what they needed. Usually I would think that would be left for the immediate family..her family to take care of..so why did Drew feel the need to do some housekeeping at the scene of his ex wife's death? That's probably the only time he cleaned a tub in his whole married life.

Tom'sGirl
11-21-2007, 09:20 PM
Yes, I thought that was not the way things normally go in these situations. But according to Steve there was Drew cleaning up the bathroom as soon as LE had gotten what they needed. Usually I would think that would be left for the immediate family..her family to take care of..so why did Drew feel the need to do some housekeeping at the scene of his ex wife's death? That's probably the only time he cleaned a tub in his whole married life.

Didn't his brother Steve also say at one point DP cleaned up the tub so the boys wouldn't see it, or am I recalling wrong? Why would the boys see it??? :rolleyes:

DeltaDawn
11-21-2007, 09:29 PM
Exactly, the boys weren't with him then. I thought he took the boys there to return them to Kitty and when there was no answer they went home. Then he called. etc. then called a locksmith to let him in..while at the same time he called a neighbor and Steve to come over and go in first. My thoughts because he needed the boys to witness Mom didn't answer the door, Steve and the neighbor to witness the crime scene, the cops to witness the crime scene..then he cleaned the tub when LE was done so that there would be nothing left of the crime scene. But AFTERhe killed Kitty I think he cleaned up any debris from the assault on her, made the scene perfect in his mind. I think he waiting thinking someone else would discover her..when they didn't he moved forward under the guise of returning the boys after the weekend.

KOOL LOOK
11-22-2007, 09:39 AM
think police batton

We have a winner! I was trying my hardest to figure out the beating weapon. I couldn't imagine Drew using his bear hands to do all the beating, as his hands would be injured, bruised, possibly scratched. I agree with this, also possible to police flash light. The baton and flashlight are basically two standard items most police have on them at all times and available to them. Plus the baton wouldn't be hard to clean dna off of, like other weapons. I guarantee you the medical examiners know what baton injuries look like exactly on a body.

And thanks for reminding me of this! In my mind I was thinking of asphyxia as in strangulation and smothering or compression. I totally get what Kool look was trying to say now. Sorry Kool look. :blowkiss:

No problem, post away. Peace and Happy Thanksgivings to everyone!

Also, she had long hair, but did not have it tied or pinned up. Others have stated she always put it up before a bath. And anyone with long hair already knows it would be gross to take a bath with your hair hanging down into it.

I have the same hair and length as Kathy. I do occassionally wash my hair in the tub, which is a hard, sometimes messy prospect, splashing water on sides of jacuzzi, walls, mirrors, etc... But I do it, especially when I was sickly.
I bathe often, and my hair always goes up, most of the time I shower to wash my hair for obvious reasons. But when I bathe most of the time it has some type of skin softener, bubbles, etc... to soak in to replenish the skin, not wanting to get the oils in the hair.

Agreed, unless you were planning on washing it in the tub, which I do in my patio tub.

See my earlier post. I do it, but when all is well, I prefer to wash hair in the shower.

We know it is how she was found, but was she naked during the beating and subsequent drowning?

I don't believe Kathy was naked during any of the beating or murder. Drew took her clothes off, he's so sexually driven mentally, which is obvious in the way he talks about Stacey. He is so demeaning towards women, just one more attempt to demean her, even in death.

Exactly, the boys weren't with him then. I thought he took the boys there to return them to Kitty and when there was no answer they went home. Then he called. etc. then called a locksmith to let him in..while at the same time he called a neighbor and Steve to come over and go in first. My thoughts because he needed the boys to witness Mom didn't answer the door, Steve and the neighbor to witness the crime scene, the cops to witness the crime scene..then he cleaned the tub when LE was done so that there would be nothing left of the crime scene. But AFTERhe killed Kitty I think he cleaned up any debris from the assault on her, made the scene perfect in his mind. I think he waiting thinking someone else would discover her..when they didn't he moved forward under the guise of returning the boys after the weekend.

I agree with this post. He just has all the back up alibi's, doesn't he? She was naked because he took her clothes off and disposed of them after the murder, because we know mroe than likely than not he had some of his dna on them. Also the clothes would have told the story of possibly where the initial assault took place in the home. I don't believe it began in the bathroom. I believe the bathroom was the after thought.

He took her body in their after she was unconscious, staged the scene, and drowned her. He could clean up right there, which is what he did.

DEPUTYDAWG
11-22-2007, 03:01 PM
Good for the Chief. It does, indeed, sound like he's trying to right some former wrongs, IMO. I have not followed this case all that closely, but just very generally. In fact, it wasn't until this thread that I had even read that DP has resigned. Grrrrr. However, a few initial thoughts upon reading the article. (Thanks for that, BTW!)

In our Department, most of the time the Commander will want to accept an officer's (if under suspicion) resignation ASAP, before they change their mind. We even had the chain of command driving the "acceptance memo" out to the officer's home to get it done, if needed. I like that the Chief was thinking big picture, trying to continue to have access to DP, LOL.

However, even in the case of us having an officer resign upon being served a formal complaint against him - although that ends the Department's ability to interview the officer under the internal investigation, other parts of the investigation are normally followed through by other means. Basically, a lot of information is gathered and determinations made. It's there for future reference. Just because the Chief can't interview DP now under Departmental procedures, they can still compile a wealth of information and pass along any criminal findings to the DA, as they mentioned. Love it, personally!

Interesting DP just had an unpaid suspension for the pursuit violation. I think it said it was a substantial number of days? Must have been a pretty flagrant violation. So, he was under stress at work after having a complaint being sustained against him.... At least in my state, the findings of a sustained complaint against an officer are available under public records. ;)

Re Chief's comments about serious violations of general orders (we have Ten General Orders, and most agencies I am aware of have a similar number)..and possibly turning them over to the DA for criminal prosecution...could be hundreds of different violations, from small to large. Yet, he did say serious. It is common to find more violations after an investigation is opened for something unrelated. We've got one in my office that seems to be doubling in size as the days go on...It's now the size of War and Peace, and had only started with a few charges about not having proper chain of custody for a drug seizure.

It sounds hopeful that the Chief will be pursuing any and every charge available...helping the DA along ;)

JMO

SeekingJana
11-22-2007, 03:13 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312546,00.html

Illinois (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312546,00.html#) State Police Captain Carl Dobrich told the Tribune 64 officers are now assigned full-time to investigate the disappearance of Stacy Peterson and the death of Kathleen Savio.
Dobrich said in the course of the investigation, detectives discovered evidence Drew Peterson may have violated Bolingbrook Police Department policies.
Dobrich would not describe the alleged violations, but told the Tribune they were serious enough to potentially trigger the loss of Drew Peterson's $6,000 monthly pension (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312546,00.html#). Under state law, a police officer's pension may be denied or revoked only if the officer is convicted of a job-related felony.

:woohoo: :woohoo:

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 10:07 AM
Potential charges, could they be related to Drew showing up at Denny's in uniform? I am thinking of the fact that Drew might have been on the clock. But I don't see that qualifying for criminal charges. Other possibility and this one could qualify: He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?

That could also explain why police are theorizing that he may have dumped Stacy in Rosetto's neighborhood. Knowing that he had gotten the address.

DeltaDawn
11-23-2007, 11:37 AM
Potential charges, could they be related to Drew showing up at Denny's in uniform? I am thinking of the fact that Drew might have been on the clock. But I don't see that qualifying for criminal charges. Other possibility and this one could qualify: He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?

That could also explain why police are theorizing that he may have dumped Stacy in Rosetto's neighborhood. Knowing that he had gotten the address.

I agree..combine the stalking, wiretapping, bugs, etc..I don't think that is behavior LE takes kindly to an officer doing to private citizens not involved in any crime..just for the heck of it so to speak. And I would think Drew being on the clock when he circled Denny's a few times, then went in and tried to intimadate Rossetto, Stacy and their friends is against dept rules. They weren't breaking any laws having lunch or dinner with a group of friends.

curiositycat
11-23-2007, 11:46 AM
I agree and I think this is when he first decided she was having an affair with Rosseto. He judged that based on his adulterous past. Now she has the boxes packed, ect. Nothing she can say will convince him she is NOT having an affair, because of his life of lies.
He comes home, finds the "secret" cell phone and is even more convinced she is leaving him for SR.
He kills her.
This is why he can say without flinching "She left me for another man" He was convinced he she was doing just this.
By the way, take an old ladies advice. Don't let Ann Rule write this one. You write this book.:dance:


Potential charges, could they be related to Drew showing up at Denny's in uniform? I am thinking of the fact that Drew might have been on the clock. But I don't see that qualifying for criminal charges. Other possibility and this one could qualify: He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?

That could also explain why police are theorizing that he may have dumped Stacy in Rosetto's neighborhood. Knowing that he had gotten the address.

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 02:24 PM
Another tidbit about the charges

Dobrich would not describe the alleged violations, but told the Tribune they were serious enough to potentially trigger the loss of Drew Peterson's $6,000 monthly pension. Under state law, a police officer's pension may be denied or revoked only if the officer is convicted of a job-related felony.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312607,00.html

Deputy Dawg, if you stop in here again I have a question. If an officer were caught running the license number of an individual for personal reasons, would that be a felony?

Trino
11-23-2007, 03:51 PM
Yes, I thought that was not the way things normally go in these situations. But according to Steve there was Drew cleaning up the bathroom as soon as LE had gotten what they needed. Usually I would think that would be left for the immediate family..her family to take care of..so why did Drew feel the need to do some housekeeping at the scene of his ex wife's death? That's probably the only time he cleaned a tub in his whole married life.

DP co-owed the property with Savio. Although they were divorced, the property had not yet been divided.

TGIRecovered
11-23-2007, 04:06 PM
He may have picked out Rosetto's auto and ran his license number. I know that is always against policy to use the police system to get personal info on someone if it isn't job related. Would that qualify for criminal charges?


Mysteriew, I believe you are correct. I tried to get mine to run my own info to be sure that a ticket I had paid got taken off my record, he would not do it because it is a serious violation of policy. (Sometimes, old tickets can mistakenly remain on your record even after you pay, resulting in a warrant. )

Susan

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 04:18 PM
TGI can you ask your hubby if it is a felony to run a record that is not for work purposes?

PS, you can always get stopped again and ask the officer when he runs your license :D. You can always call your insurance agent.

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 07:38 PM
Ok, Greta is saying the FBI is coming in to help with the investigation into whatever it is the Chief is looking into. So it looks like it is more than just checking a license tag.

TGIRecovered
11-23-2007, 08:10 PM
TGI can you ask your hubby if it is a felony to run a record that is not for work purposes?

PS, you can always get stopped again and ask the officer when he runs your license :D. You can always call your insurance agent.


I asked him and he says if it was just running someone's plate or D.L. for curiosity' sake it would be an internal reprimand and you would lose your privilege to access that data, HOWEVER, if he used improperly obtained info to stalk , harass, threaten, burgle, murder and so on, it would then become a felony oppression.

I would assume that would also include pursueing a person without cause, or using his position to authorize another officer to chase someone.


Susan

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 08:14 PM
Since they are calling in the FBI, I have a feeling that they are investigating something much bigger.

TGIRecovered
11-23-2007, 08:46 PM
Since they are calling in the FBI, I have a feeling that they are investigating something much bigger.

Organized crime?

susan

curiositycat
11-23-2007, 08:55 PM
Serial Murder??

Jaded
11-23-2007, 08:56 PM
Serial Murder??

ding ding ding!!! This one gets my vote.

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 08:59 PM
The RICO act comes to mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICO_%28law%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICO_%28law%29)

fran
11-23-2007, 09:18 PM
Ok, Greta is saying the FBI is coming in to help with the investigation into whatever it is the Chief is looking into. So it looks like it is more than just checking a license tag.

How about tapping phones.

Or bugging houses and listening while on duty.

Or following someone in a patrol car and waiting outside while they're in visiting or whatever.

Or falsly writing someone a ticket and arresting them.

Or going to his exwife's house in the capacity of a concerned citizen but is a watch commander on duty and you let the citizen go search the house while you stand there like a tree stump.

Or one of your fellow officers is on the decision board for a suspicious death you have a financial interest in.

Or you tell a drug dealer the name of an undercover officer who's infiltrated the suspected dealers gang.

Of course, the serial killer works too!

One way or the other, Drew is going down, IMHO.:behindbar

fran

SuziQ
11-23-2007, 09:40 PM
Another thought is the prior administration at the States Attorneys office could be under investigation as well. I think that might fall under the Dept. of Justice.

I vote for all of the above.

mysteriew
11-23-2007, 10:57 PM
Another thought is the prior administration at the States Attorneys office could be under investigation as well. I think that might fall under the Dept. of Justice.

I vote for all of the above.

I vote with you on RICO and I also think they are looking at more than just Drew P, though I think the BB chief wants Drew P bad.But there have been hints at corruption and questions about Drew P's income. Then in Kathleen's death, we have theorized that there was a coverup of the death- and that the coverup went high up in the political realm. Irregularities in the investigation, irregularities in the coroner's office, and irregularties in the coroner's jury. Drew P could not have arranged all that by himself. He had to have had assistance from persons with more authority than he has.

Serial murders, while I think that should be looked at and it sounds like it is being looked at- would be handled by the ISP just like they are handling the investigation of the deaths of Kathleen and Stacy. I'm not sure that FBI would even have jurisdiction in a serial murder case, unless there is one we don't know about since the ones we know about all took place in Ill. They might have offered their lab, and maybe some assist but the most of the investigation would be handled by ISP.

So yeah, IMO Will County just may be beginning a housecleaning.

mysteriew
11-24-2007, 02:20 PM
Charles Pelkie, a spokesman for the Will County state's attorney, says the FBI's involvement would make it possible for the U.S. Navy to provide technical assistance.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/stacy.peterson.barrel.2.594658.html

So I don't know. Are they only joining the investigation because of the search??? Or are they doing other things in the investigation and this just happens to be bonus?

fran
11-24-2007, 03:14 PM
hmmmm,...........I have another thought. Drew said Stacy took $25K, IIRC correctly, of course that's besides taking her bikini. :slap:

Past history of turning in an undercover officer's name to a drug dealer.
Large amount of cash in the home (alledgedly):p

hmmmmmmmmm................:silenced:

Interesting,
fran

mysteriew
11-24-2007, 07:51 PM
FBI spokesman Ross Rice said the agency has no reason to believe federal laws were broken, which would give it jurisdiction. But it has agreed to help in the case, he said.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g9LSLrzFQGStXb1io5FdErAtFFKgD8T49OK01