The Blue Barrel in the Bedroom? #3

[WindChime]

#2 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56707

#1 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56297

[Tom'sGirl]

Thank you WindChime

[WindChime]

:-) YVW :blushing:

[Taximom]

Thanks WC! That one got long fast, didn't it?

The whole "container was warm" thing bugs me. I can see how arms/hands would be wrapped around the container to move it. I don't understand how those same arms/hands could feel anything less than body temperature assuming Stacy had been dead a while. (I sure don't like saying that.)

We did cement experiments with Scott, so maybe I'll try to see what I can feel later today with one of my Rubbermaid containers.

[chicoliving]

Thanks WC! That one got long fast, didn't it?

The whole "container was warm" thing bugs me. I can see how arms/hands would be wrapped around the container to move it. I don't understand how those same arms/hands could feel anything less than body temperature assuming Stacy had been dead a while. (I sure don't like saying that.)

We did cement experiments with Scott, so maybe I'll try to see what I can feel later today with one of my Rubbermaid containers.


I still use my anchor as a foot rest while on the computer.

[Dobler]

Looks like the F.B.I. is now concentrating their search in the Cal-Sag Channel in Lockport because of cell calls from that area.
Won't be long now- (fingers crossed.)
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/673072,CST-NWS-SNEED29.article

[tagalong]

Was I the only one who was surprised by Sharon’s (DP neighbor) comments about happenings the morning of 10/28? I had never heard that Sharon left her home about 9:45 am to grocery shop and both cars were in DP’s drive. She got home about 11:45 am and only the SUV was in the drive. Sharon called DP’s house and asked to speak with Stacy and was told she had gone to grandpa’s. Sharon invited kids over for trick or treat candy. DP and kids visited Sharon for awhile and then left. Before leaving DP said he needed to run an errand and asked oldest son, if he’d watch the kids about 15 minutes. DP left his house and was back home about 1:15 pm (?). I have never heard any of the above before. I thought Sharon and other neighbors said both vehicles were in drive until 1:30 pm

[tagalong]

I wonder where Stacy's phone was when Cassandra's boyfriend (can't think of his name right now) called Stacy about 4:00 pm and got voicemail. Has anyone read anthing about this?

[Taximom]

I still use my anchor as a foot rest while on the computer.

ROFL Chico!

[Taximom]

I wonder where Stacy's phone was when Cassandra's boyfriend (can't think of his name right now) called Stacy about 4:00 pm and got voicemail. Has anyone read anthing about this?

WOW, tagalong. Great question. I hope LE is on it like some of you sleuthers here.

[Taximom]

Brodsky was on the Today show again w/Dan Abrams. Dan must not want an interview for his show because he was pretty rough w/Brodsky. Told him he was in denial! lol

Anyway, same old same old. Paraphrasing: 'Nobody knows who the neighbor is that saw them moving the barrel or container, and which was it anyway, a barrel or container?' Same old same old about Morphey too.

He says he won't be that busy legally as there's not much to do. Most of his time is taken up with the media.

LOL, whatever.

[nanandjim]

:laugh: I still use my anchor as a foot rest while on the computer.
I am always amazed at the dedication of the sleuths here at WS. Can't wait for photos to be posted for the "Rubbermaid" and "Blue barrel" experiments. ;)

[mysteriew]

Thanks WC! That one got long fast, didn't it?

The whole "container was warm" thing bugs me. I can see how arms/hands would be wrapped around the container to move it. I don't understand how those same arms/hands could feel anything less than body temperature assuming Stacy had been dead a while. (I sure don't like saying that.)

We did cement experiments with Scott, so maybe I'll try to see what I can feel later today with one of my Rubbermaid containers.

I have thought about this one. Temperatures in Ill. had already turned cool. The barrel or container was last seen outside. So by the container feeling warm, I assume the barrel or container had been in the home for some time. Had the container been brought in only briefly, it would have felt cool to the touch.

[TGIRecovered]

Thank you for pointing that out mysteriew. I concur.
Factor in the length of time Stacy's body must have been in the barrell prior to it being moved...several hours, I would guess, and I can see how it might have seemed warmer than say, a barrell full of liquid.

Susan

[TGIRecovered]

I wonder what drew told Thomas was in the barrell. He probably made up some excuse for it being in the bedroom. What could it have been?

Plumbing problems in the master bath? That would make a person expect it to be filled with cold yucky water.

[browneyedgirl]

Would a chemical like lime make the container feel warm to the touch? I was just wandering if maybe DP poured something into the container, for faster decomp, if it would make the container "warm to the touch"?

Anybody know anything about this?

[closeobserver]

Would a chemical like lime make the container feel warm to the touch? I was just wandering if maybe DP poured something into the container, for faster decomp, if it would make the container "warm to the touch"?

Anybody know anything about this?

My assumption is that a body, even dead for a short time, is still close to 100 degrees (98.6 being the normal). Being inside a closed container for even a short period of time would make the temperature inside the barrel much warmer than the relative temperature of a room, at say around 70 degrees. This would not be too difficult of an observation that the barrel is "relatively" warm to the touch.

Generally, when you touch things around a room, especially plastic, they feel cool to the touch because you body temp is approx 30 degrees warmer. However, if there was warmth coming from inside, it would feel odd. If you put 100 degree water inside a container, you can definately feel a huge difference when you touch it. Granted, water transfers heat faster, but you will get the effect with a body, also.

I don't believe any chemical would have had to be added to the barrel to make it warm. It could have been, but again, not necessary for the barrel to feel warm.

[closeobserver]

My assumption is that a body, even dead for a short time, is still close to 100 degrees (98.6 being the normal). Being inside a closed container for even a short period of time would make the temperature inside the barrel much warmer than the relative temperature of a room, at say around 70 degrees. This would not be too difficult of an observation that the barrel is "relatively" warm to the touch.

Generally, when you touch things around a room, especially plastic, they feel cool to the touch because you body temp is approx 30 degrees warmer. However, if there was warmth coming from inside, it would feel odd. If you put 100 degree water inside a container, you can definately feel a huge difference when you touch it. Granted, water transfers heat faster, but you will get the effect with a body, also.

I don't believe any chemical would have had to be added to the barrel to make it warm. It could have been, but again, not necessary for the barrel to feel warm.

As an additional comment to the above....sit on a plastic container for a few minutes. When you get up, see how much warmer the area where you were sitting is compared to the area you weren't sitting on....Huge difference.

[browneyedgirl]

Thanks for responding, CO.:blowkiss:

I tried your experimnet and I see what you are saying. Not an area of my expertise so I am ignorant when it comes to chemical knowledge.

[curiositycat]

BINGO!


I have thought about this one. Temperatures in Ill. had already turned cool. The barrel or container was last seen outside. So by the container feeling warm, I assume the barrel or container had been in the home for some time. Had the container been brought in only briefly, it would have felt cool to the touch.

[SuziQ]

I don't think the barrel was ever in the house, IMO. I really feel that it was a rectangle storage container.

[TGIRecovered]

I don't think the barrel was ever in the house, IMO. I really feel that it was a rectangle storage container.

I'm thinking maybe both. I think Drew put the rectangle one in without help, tried but couldn't do the barrell alone, called T to help.

Susan

[SuziQ]

(snip)
Thomas Morphey is known in his Bolingbrook subdivision for his award-winning Christmas light display and meticulously striped lawn. But his home's tidy facade belies his messy history of substance abuse issues and a lengthy rap sheet.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/n...SON_S2.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/672837,6_1_NA29_PETERSON_S2.article)

[delaney]

State Police are looking under the bridge in Lockport which crosses the I&M canal and the Des Plaines River. Last night on the NBC Local News this was confirmed, as a picture of the bridge from the base was shown, with searchers on horseback. I am going out to do a visual later. We have had several low flying State helicopters in the area since yesterday.

[close_enough]

I don't think the barrel was ever in the house, IMO. I really feel that it was a rectangle storage container.

i'm starting to think this also...going to be very interesting when all this barrel/rectangular container stuff comes out....

[close_enough]

State Police are looking under the bridge in Lockport which crosses the I&M canal and the Des Plaines River. Last night on the NBC Local News this was confirmed, as a picture of the bridge from the base was shown, with searchers on horseback. I am going out to do a visual later. We have had several low flying State helicopters in the area since yesterday.

cool...fill us in later ok?...i'll check back with this thread later to see if you've reported anything:)

[TGIRecovered]

State Police are looking under the bridge in Lockport which crosses the I&M canal and the Des Plaines River. Last night on the NBC Local News this was confirmed, as a picture of the bridge from the base was shown, with searchers on horseback. I am going out to do a visual later. We have had several low flying State helicopters in the area since yesterday.

Wish we had a live feed of Drew right now. Wonder if he is having hot flashes? What's wrong, Drew? Old-man hormones?

[close_enough]

I wonder where Stacy's phone was when Cassandra's boyfriend (can't think of his name right now) called Stacy about 4:00 pm and got voicemail. Has anyone read anthing about this?

probably with Drew?

[close_enough]

Trino

Did anyone check this quote from Fox:

"Police Lt. Ken Teppel said Bolingbrook Fire Department logs show a report of a drug overdose involving sleeping pills for Morphey around 11 p.m. on Oct. 29. He was stabilized and taken to a hospital. The logs indicate Morphey never talked to a police officer, and the Tribune reported that it was a friend of Morphey's who contacted police."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,313655,00.html

So, did Morphey or didn't he talk to police?

bringing this over here....it's possible that this friend told LE everything that Morphey told him...??..do we know for a fact?..has it been reported that LE actually talked to Morphey?

[SuziQ]

bringing this over here....it's possible that this friend told LE everything that Morphey told him...??..do we know for a fact?..has it been reported that LE actually talked to Morphey?

The only thing I've heard is that on 10-30 Drew paid a visit to Morphey in the hospital. Because of the friends phone call LE showed up shortly after Drew did. And conveniently Morphy suddenly has "memory lapses". On November 7th a reporter aproaches Morphey and LE shows up and tells the reporter to leave. So we know LE has talked to Morphey. But we don't know what Morphey told LE.

[close_enough]

The only thing I've heard is that on 10-30 Drew paid a visit to Morphey in the hospital. Because of the friends phone call LE showed up shortly after Drew did. And conveniently Morphy suddenly has "memory lapses". On November 7th a reporter aproaches Morphey and LE shows up and tells the reporter to leave. So we know LE has talked to Morphey. But we don't know what Morphey told LE.

ok, thanks Suzi...i had forgotten about LE shooing the reporter off at Morphey's home...

[browneyedgirl]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
quote=TGIRecovered;1823378]Wish we had a live feed of Drew right now. Wonder if he is having hot flashes? What's wrong, Drew? Old-man hormones?[/quote]

That was a good one, TGIR.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think the barrel was ever in the house, IMO. I really feel that it was a rectangle storage container.You could be right. The reason they were concentrating on the blue barrel was because the neighbor saw one in the yard and Cassandra saw one in the garage...then it was missing when they went to serve the search warrant.

[SeriouslySearching]

State Police are looking under the bridge in Lockport which crosses the I&M canal and the Des Plaines River. Last night on the NBC Local News this was confirmed, as a picture of the bridge from the base was shown, with searchers on horseback. I am going out to do a visual later. We have had several low flying State helicopters in the area since yesterday.This is most interesting! Let us know please!

[Taximom]

I swear I heard the AMW reporter say Morphey's wife called 911 the next day when he took the overdose. The reporter was on Greta the other night (Tues?).

I specifically remember the reporter saying that because I had been wondering about his marital/family status.

Then later DrewP supposedly tells Sharon B that he tried to kill himself because he lost his wife etc? More lies....

[BarnGoddess]

I just went up to the storage space over the tack room in the barn. I've stored Winter clothes in about 3 rectangular large storage containers, all blue!!! I also located 4 large green containers containing Christmas decorations up there. After reading the step-brother's description of the containers as rectangular, I wondered just how many may have been around the house as they are really handy for all kinds of storage.

[dee10134]

Looks like the F.B.I. is now concentrating their search in the Cal-Sag Channel in Lockport because of cell calls from that area.
Won't be long now- (fingers crossed.)
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/673072,CST-NWS-SNEED29.article

The Cal-Sag Channel doesn't go through Lockport...

I am a resident of Lockport. The only waterways we have going through Lockport are the now-defunct I&M Canal (now more like a creek), the Des Plaines River, and the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal.

The Cal-Sag Channel meets up with the Sanitary and Ship Canal near 111th Street in unincorporated Lemont (further Northeast from Lockport).

[dee10134]

Looks like the F.B.I. is now concentrating their search in the Cal-Sag Channel in Lockport because of cell calls from that area.
Won't be long now- (fingers crossed.)
http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/673072,CST-NWS-SNEED29.article

Maybe they're incorrectly referring to the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal as the Cal-Sag Channel... but that branches off near Lemont...

[dee10134]

Thank you for pointing that out mysteriew. I concur.
Factor in the length of time Stacy's body must have been in the barrell prior to it being moved...several hours, I would guess, and I can see how it might have seemed warmer than say, a barrell full of liquid.

Susan

Do you use WARM water to mix cement? Maybe he put cement in the barrel already and it was still warm from the mix?

[dee10134]

State Police are looking under the bridge in Lockport which crosses the I&M canal and the Des Plaines River. Last night on the NBC Local News this was confirmed, as a picture of the bridge from the base was shown, with searchers on horseback. I am going out to do a visual later. We have had several low flying State helicopters in the area since yesterday.


delaney, I'm assuming you're local too. :) My mom lives 2 doors away from this bridge so she'd know more than anybody what's going on down there. I'll have to question her later tonight. There is all kinds of access to the waterways down there.

I'd seriously doubt DP'd dump her into the I&M because the water is so shallow, but the Sanitary & Ship Canal or the Des Plaines would be a good spot. There aren't many street lights by the residences under the bridge or by the River or the Canal for that matter, making it a perfect spot to dump a body....

ETA: I haven't seen any low-flying choppers in the area, but then again, I've been at work all day until dark... ;)

[dee10134]

cool...fill us in later ok?...i'll check back with this thread later to see if you've reported anything:)

I'm also from Lockport. My mom lives right under the bridge on the "floodplain" between the I&M Canal and the Sanitary & Ship Canal & Des Plaines River.

I'm going to check with her tonight and see if she noticed anything out of the ordinary today...

[closeobserver]

delaney, I'm assuming you're local too. :) My mom lives 2 doors away from this bridge so she'd know more than anybody what's going on down there. I'll have to question her later tonight. There is all kinds of access to the waterways down there.

I'd seriously doubt DP'd dump her into the I&M because the water is so shallow, but the Sanitary & Ship Canal or the Des Plaines would be a good spot. There aren't many street lights by the residences under the bridge or by the River or the Canal for that matter, making it a perfect spot to dump a body....

ETA: I haven't seen any low-flying choppers in the area, but then again, I've been at work all day until dark... ;)
What about the road to the long out of order bridge south of the 9th street bridge. I think it is either were Division or Caton Farm crossed Rte 53. That area is desolate.

[mysteriew]

Do you use WARM water to mix cement? Maybe he put cement in the barrel already and it was still warm from the mix?

When mixing cement it doesn't matter whether the water is warm or cold.
But I saw an article where Morph estimated the container he helped move as being approx. 120 #. Stacy weighed 100#, and concrete would weigh more than 20#.

However, concrete comes in 5 and 10# bags. If he was putting into water, it would be easy to dump the bags into the barrel just before he put it into water.

[Taximom]

If he used concrete at all in or around the home, I would hope LE would have found traces of that.

I thought some cement heated up when you mixed it. I'm probably thinking of something else.

[mysteriew]

If he used concrete at all in or around the home, I would hope LE would have found traces of that.

I thought some cement heated up when you mixed it. I'm probably thinking of something else.

I think when the concrete and water mix that it might heat up. But you don't have to use warm water to mix it.

[grace60]

When mixing cement it doesn't matter whether the water is warm or cold.
But I saw an article where Morph estimated the container he helped move as being approx. 120 #. Stacy weighed 100#, and concrete would weigh more than 20#.

However, concrete comes in 5 and 10# bags. If he was putting into water, it would be easy to dump the bags into the barrel just before he put it into water.

I wondered about that also. Drew was probably doing everything he could to confuse LE. I wonder if he used the barrel to mix the cement. It was large and nothing would have slopped over on the garage floor. Then he poured the cement into the tote. Thats why they are talking about a tote and barell

Morphy's friend says he told him it was a large sealed tote.

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[Leila]

I just watched the video here:
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=21650DF4F575DD22785E4B4F12650F23 ?contentId=5068901&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

This is really all coming together now. Thomas Morphey's friend, Walter Martinek jr., says that Thomas Morphey came to him the day after TM helped move what he calls a "blue tote". He says TM had financial and family problems recently and that DP had promised to get TM a job. When DP asked him to help move the "blue tote" TM went to help DP, but later told his friend that he thinks he just helped DP move Stacy's body. He said he was afraid of Drew and didn't know what to do.

When TM attempted suicide, Walter Martinek jr. went straight to state police with what TM had told him.

So clearly, the police have known about this blue tote/blue barrel from almost the beginning.

[mysteriew]

I just wish LE would clarify if it was a barrel or a tote! If you are driving down the road every day and seeing a tote, you may not pay attention because you believe that LE is looking for a barrel.

[grace60]

I just wish LE would clarify if it was a barrel or a tote! If you are driving down the road every day and seeing a tote, you may not pay attention because you believe that LE is looking for a barrel.

If he bought 40lbs of cement he could have put 20 in a tote and left the other 20 in the barrel. Both would sink. The barrel was big enough where he put bags and all in so there would be no residue. Thats why they are talking about a barrel and tote. Getting the bags of cement home without leaving traces of it in his car would be a little tricky. Wrapping them in 3 or 4 garbage bags would help. With technology today they may have found traces of the powdered cement in the car.

[concernedperson]

I just watched the video here:
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=21650DF4F575DD22785E4B4F12650F23 ?contentId=5068901&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

This is really all coming together now. Thomas Morphey's friend, Walter Martinek jr., says that Thomas Morphey came to him the day after TM helped move what he calls a "blue tote". He says TM had financial and family problems recently and that DP had promised to get TM a job. When DP asked him to help move the "blue tote" TM went to help DP, but later told his friend that he thinks he just helped DP move Stacy's body. He said he was afraid of Drew and didn't know what to do.

When TM attempted suicide, Walter Martinek jr. went straight to state police with what TM had told him.

So clearly, the police have known about this blue tote/blue barrel from almost the beginning.

The good thing is that people are coming forward with information. I wonder if the blue barrel info was just left to fly for Drew's sake but they informed others.

[SeriouslySearching]

I just wish LE would clarify if it was a barrel or a tote! If you are driving down the road every day and seeing a tote, you may not pay attention because you believe that LE is looking for a barrel. They are looking for both. The barrel came up because a neighbor saw one in his backyard and Cassandra had seen one in his garage. When they served the search warrant, no blue barrel was present. They are looking for a rectangular plastic container, too.

If the container that Tom helped move weighed approximately 120 lbs., it would make sense that with her weight...there was no cement, but possibly the scuba weights inside the sealed container.

[Taximom]

What exactly is a "tote"?! To me that's something made of cloth.

Which reminds me of Ric Mims comment that Stacy could have been carried out in a duffel bag.

[SeriouslySearching]

The "tote" they are talking about is a rectangular plastic container with a lid.

[Littledeer]

SS:

Does anyone know the depth of this tote??? Are we thinking long, shallow or long, deep??

When I use the word "tote", I usually refer to my blue "tub" rubbermaid tub that I use for laundry and for throwing tons of pictures in. :)

[Taximom]

Not arguing at all, SS, but if you google "tote" the first page of pictures are all cloth over the shoulder bags! Are we sure that's what "they" mean by tote? (Seriously, just asking-not being difficult!)

[Littledeer]

Taxi:

Good point, even in crossword puzzles, the answer is always "tote" for another name for bag or something one carries on an airplane, etc.

But I also brought I that I use "tote" for a rubbermaid tub......

so guess tote can mean different things, etc. WE NEED A PIC OF THIS THING!!

[grace60]

SS:

Does anyone know the depth of this tote??? Are we thinking long, shallow or long, deep??

When I use the word "tote", I usually refer to my blue "tub" rubbermaid tub that I use for laundry and for throwing tons of pictures in. :)

I have 6 that are made by sterilite http://www.sterilite.com/

I bought them when I was moving at the General Dollar Store. They were not expensive about $7.00. The ones I have are 16 inches deep 19 inches wide and 30 inches in length. Rubbermaid makes them also. Rubbermaid from what I saw is made better better. Thicker plastic. When I was buying mine they had larger ones but didn't buy the bigger one because it would be to heavy once I packed my stuff in them.

[Taximom]

It's only bugging me because of what Ric Mims said about the duffel bag. That's all.

[Littledeer]

grace:

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM REFERRING TO!!! I call it a tub, my hubby calls it a tote, and my daughter calls it a basket........

go figure!!

[Littledeer]

okay. So would this be the thread where we can discuss theories on what DP did with Stacy and the "tote" and "barrel" or would it be better on the Stacy Peterson thread??

[grace60]

grace:

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM REFERRING TO!!! I call it a tub, my hubby calls it a tote, and my daughter calls it a basket........

go figure!!

Rubbermaid makes the same type of "containers" or what ever but they are made with a thicker more sturdy plastic. Kind of like if you buy the store brand trash bags you know not to stuff them full but if you buy the hefty brand you can stuff them full. I would bet Drew bought the sturdy one...rubbermaid

[SuziQ]

okay. So would this be the thread where we can discuss theories on what DP did with Stacy and the "tote" and "barrel" or would it be better on the Stacy Peterson thread??

I would leave it here, it's still a container and we don't know for sure whether the barrel is one and the same or different.

[grace60]

okay. So would this be the thread where we can discuss theories on what DP did with Stacy and the "tote" and "barrel" or would it be better on the Stacy Peterson thread??

I posted earlier about the barrel. He could have bought the barrel of chlorine just to have the barrel. Used some in the pool, dumped the rest cut the top off put it in his SUV bought cement put the cement in bags in the barrel to bring it home. No cement residue in the car. Mixed cement in the barrel, it was a big barrel, no residue because it was so big nothing spilled. Put Stacy in the "tub" put some cement over her and left the rest in the barrel. Everything sinks. So LE is looking for barrel and tub

[Littledeer]

Will do.

I accidently posted this over at the Morphey thread, wrong thread! My fingers are going faster than my brain!

We now know that there is a 8 to 9 hour time frame from the last time someone talked with Stacy (10:00 A.M. to the time DP is at Starbucks with Tom 7:00 P.M.)

We also know that the older son heard DP and Stacy fighting (be nice to know that time frame!) and that DP left to go looking for her.

I would think the kids would look outside to see if both vehicles are gone at some point after DP says he is going to look for her, wouldn't you?

Did he ever come back before he left to meet Tom @ Starbucks??

Does anyone know if their house had a basement?? Could he have met up with Stacy, killed her, put her in his vehicle and drove home and put her in the basement, check in with the kids, play his "oh I am so worried" routine, makes sure kids are engaged in something so they won't notice what he is doing.

Possibly the barrel is already in the vehicle?? But he needs Tom to move the container for other evidence?

[grace60]

I would leave it here, it's still a container and we don't know for sure whether the barrel is one and the same or different.

Maybe it should be container or barrel/tub thread. I know it's hard to go back and forth...lol I'm not as fast as you guys.

[SuziQ]

Will do.

I accidently posted this over at the Morphey thread, wrong thread! My fingers are going faster than my brain!

We now know that there is a 8 to 9 hour time frame from the last time someone talked with Stacy (10:00 A.M. to the time DP is at Starbucks with Tom 7:00 P.M.)

We also know that the older son heard DP and Stacy fighting (be nice to know that time frame!) and that DP left to go looking for her.

I would think the kids would look outside to see if both vehicles are gone at some point after DP says he is going to look for her, wouldn't you?

Did he ever come back before he left to meet Tom @ Starbucks??

Does anyone know if their house had a basement?? Could he have met up with Stacy, killed her, put her in his vehicle and drove home and put her in the basement, check in with the kids, play his "oh I am so worried" routine, makes sure kids are engaged in something so they won't notice what he is doing.

Possibly the barrel is already in the vehicle?? But he needs Tom to move the container for other evidence?

You would have the problem of Drew hauling Stacy around in a house with kids in it. And his garage is so full of stuff they couldn't park their cars in it. So he would have been in full view of the neighbors hauling Stacy out of the car.

[Littledeer]

Good point Suzi. So since we don't know what day the neighbor saw DP and a male moving the barrel to the SUV, maybe this is part of DP's PRE-PLANNING.

He takes the barrel and stashes it close by to water. Remember we have to set the stage up before any actors can play. So on Sunday, sometime after 10:00 A.M. DP either stages a fight with Stacy, or it actually happens and Stacy leaves in her vehicle. DP then follows Stacy and somewhere he is able to get to her and he kills her. He then puts her in HER vehicle (remember how he didn't want LE to search her vehicle!) and takes her to the barrel and puts her in it.

Then he goes home for Act 3, or whatever. He gets the tote, container and puts in there whatever he needs (possible by weights that are missing? and the nightstand (don't know why on this on one). Now we get to Act 4, where we need help and alibi. Calls Tom, meets at Starbucks, leaves cell phone, leave Starbucks, (for what reason??) oh, that's right, he wants to implicate Rossetto for Stacy's disappearance.

Takes Tom home to help him move this container to vehicle, takes Tom home and then drives back to where the barrel is, puts the weights in, etc.

Oops, we got two vehicles now. Act 4.

And his acting still goes on. What a CL acting piece of horse sh*t.

[ladeda7777]

http://www.rubbermaid.com/rubbermaid/product/product.jhtml?prodId=HPProd150032

[Littledeer]

ladeda

Perfect. I think that would explain where the "tote" is coming from! Don't you think?

[SuziQ]

Stacy Peterson's Sister Angry Over Barrel MysteryCassandra Cales Challenges Drew Peterson To Take Lie Detector Test

http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/peterson.missing.barrel.2.599133.html

(snip)
As CBS 2 West Suburban Bureau Chief Mike Puccinelli reports, in the past 72 hours, Cassandra Cales has been getting angrier and angrier over Drew Peterson's attorney's claims that she started an idle rumor about the blue barrel. She believes attorney Joel Brodsky is blitzing the airwaves trying to turn fact into fiction.

"There never was a drum," Brodsky said. "The whole thing seems like a never-ending rumor that started with comments that Stacy's sister made and seems to have been growing ever since."

But Cales says she saw what appeared to be a 35-gallon container in Drew and Stacy's garage two days before her sister disappeared. She said Stacy told her it was filled with chlorine needed to clean the family pool. Cales says she'll swear to that in court, and she issued a direct challenge to Drew.

"He says there was no barrel. There was a barrel I saw it with my own eyes," Cales said. "I'll take a lie detector test. I feel Drew should take a lie detectors test also."

[SuziQ]

Video to go with post#70

http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=37670@wbbm.dayport.com

[SuziQ]

In the above video it says both cars had tracking systems!

[Littledeer]

Suzi:

I just posted that Cass was on tv today on the Stacy Peterson thread. But didn't find the video to bring over!! Thanks!!!

Great minds thinking alike at the same time! LOL

[ladeda7777]

ladeda

Perfect. I think that would explain where the "tote" is coming from! Don't you think?

What is interesting to me is...who would call that a tote except someone who bought it and saw its name and called it a tote.

I have one in my basement and I call it "the big blue storage thing".

If someone were 100lbs. It's a slim chance it would work, unless someone used a saw. Sorry, I hate to even think about that.

If a saw and a bathtub were used, he certainly had enough chlorine to get rid of any dna in the plumbing.

[Littledeer]

Don't we even have the pool guy telling LE that he brought one to their house based on an order that DP made???

HOW DUMB IS THIS ATTORNEY???????????????????????????????? I bet he's on the take with DP and it goes back even farther somewhere.

[SuziQ]

Suzi:

I just posted that Cass was on tv today on the Stacy Peterson thread. But didn't find the video to bring over!! Thanks!!!

Great minds thinking alike at the same time! LOL

Will do.

[Littledeer]

I don't think Stacy was put in the "tote" but in the barrel. The tote was used for the weights, other incriminating evidence, possibly maybe it only had cement in it with warm water and that is why Tom said it was "warm to the touch". This one is confusing for sure!

[delaney]

I went over the bridge four times today looking from that vantage point and could not see anybody searching. That does not mean that there were not people out there, I just didn't see anybody. I aslo drove around under the bridge area, as close as I could go, there are not many streets that go through to the water, most are blocked by factories on either side.

There is a large factory or quarry looking building on the west side of the river, looks busy with trucks in and out all day. There is also a rail track and with an abandoned row of rail cars on that side.

The problem I have with Drew using that area as a dump site...the state police district 5 has a large headquarters just a 1/2 mile south of the bridge on the west side....doesn't seem like he would want to be seen in that area.

Today, there were more cars than usual parked at the state police headquarters, which is to be expected with this case.

I am debating whether or not I want to join the search on Saturday, I don't believe they will have a large turn-out.. do to the time of year...x-mas shopping... traffic ...and the cold weather.

[DeltaDawn]

Yes we have a pool guy, who he purchased this amount and container of chlorine from ..who did go to police after the story broke....because he even questioned why an above ground pool owner would purchase that amnt of chlorine

[wicket]

Maybe the blue barrel was just a ploy - something for the searchers to be looking for when all along she was not in the barrel but buried somewhere else. Or she was in fact in the blue barrel, he went deep in the woods, removed her from the barrel, buried her and destroyed the barrel. Why not place the blue barrel in the vehicle while it was in the garage?

[ladeda7777]

1 gal water = 8.2 lb
8.2 x 35= 287 lbs.
I just looked at my 35 gal tote in the basement. Don't think you could put a 100lb. woman in it whole.

What is in the barrel/tote?

[SuziQ]

Maybe the blue barrel was just a ploy - something for the searchers to be looking for when all along she was not in the barrel but buried somewhere else. Or she was in fact in the blue barrel, he went deep in the woods, removed her from the barrel, buried her and destroyed the barrel. Why not place the blue barrel in the vehicle while it was in the garage?

The garage is so full of stuff the cars were never parked in it.

[MysteryAddict]

Help! I'm totally confused at this point.

I know it's a fact that there was a blue barrel of chlorine in the garage. It was seen by Stacey's sister and reported to have been delivered by the pool man.

It is now gone and a neighbor saw Drew and another man put a "barrel" in his car.

OK, fine, but didn't the step brother say he helped Drew removed a rectangular container from the bedroom?

Can you imagine any man describing a barrel as a "rectangular container"?
That just doesn't make sense to me.

Now the object is being described as a blue tote. You wouldn't call a barrel a tote would you?

I'm confused. Are we talking about three different objects here or what?

[Taximom]

(snipped)

"He says there was no barrel. There was a barrel I saw it with my own eyes," Cales said. "I'll take a lie detector test. I feel Drew should take a lie detectors test also."

I thought we had a pool supply salesman saying he reported to LE that he sold a large barrel of chlorine to DP? Nobody should doubt Cassandra if that was true.

[dee10134]

CROSS POST - BARREL NEWS:

"A friend of the relative of Drew Peterson who has said that he fears he helped the former Bolingbrook police sergeant dispose of Stacy Peterson's body is saying that Peterson paid for that assistance."

More at link: http://www.nbc5.com/news/14735158/detail.html?dl=mainclick

I will cross post this to the general discussion and the Morphey threads.

[Taximom]

I'm wondering if he helped "dispose of" or just helped move the barrel from the bedroom to the car. There's a world of difference between the two.

[fran]

I'm wondering if he helped "dispose of" or just helped move the barrel from the bedroom to the car. There's a world of difference between the two.

I'm beginning to think there are TWO blue vessels

1 blue barrel
1 blue tote

DP seems to have thought this through and it was planned and premeditated. He had a blue barrel that different people saw and now it's gone.

DP's step-brother said he helped him move a 'blue container.' IF it was a barrel, IMO, he would have said 'barrel.'

So even if the barrel is found, it would be perfectly ok with Drew. He used his brother to dispose of the 'blue container,' because he knew he was a bit unstable and COULD create credibility issues.

Just a thought,
fran

[SeriouslySearching]

They clarified earlier that they were looking for two containers.

[fran]

The clarified earlier that they were looking for two containers.

Thanks SS. I think many people are getting them confused. Probably with the help of his spin-doctor lawyer ;)

fran

[DeltaDawn]

Maybe the blue tote had the $25000, the scuba weights, gloves, etc in it.

[closeobserver]

1 gal water = 8.2 lb
8.2 x 35= 287 lbs.
I just looked at my 35 gal tote in the basement. Don't think you could put a 100lb. woman in it whole.

What is in the barrel/tote?
Have you ever seen a contortionist pack herself into a trunk. If you break the bones, you can easily manipulate a body into small places. Plus you don't have to worry about flexibility. A dead person can bend a lot further than a live one.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks SS. I think many people are getting them confused. Probably with the help of his spin-doctor lawyer ;)

franYes, and the lawyer doesn't know that "tote" doesn't mean a dufflebag either!! :rolleyes: What a piece of work he is! LOL

[MysteryAddict]

Hi SS,

Maybe I'm dense, but I'm still having a problem with the neighbor seeing two men loading a barrel into the car and Martineck reporting that Morphey told him he helped Drew move a rectangular container from the bedroom.

I don't think a man would describe a barrel as a rectangular container, do you?

What am I missing ?

[SeriouslySearching]

I think there was a discrepancy in the media and not with LE, imo. However, they say that LE is looking for both types of containers.

[Littledeer]

MysterAddict:

There has been an unidentifed male neighbor who had reported that he saw DP and an unidentified male loading a barrel into a vehicle at DP's house.

There has been no verification of this, except for there is MOST DEFINATELY A MISSING BARREL..........................

The rectangular container you refer to, is the one that DP and his half-brother Tom Morphey moved on October 28th in the evening.

I know very confusing!!!

Anyone correct me if I've given wrong information here!

[Liz]

Yes, and the lawyer doesn't know that "tote" doesn't mean a dufflebag either!! :rolleyes: What a piece of work he is! LOL


Me thinks Drew's attorney has been reading here. One of our members had recently repeated what Ric Mims said ... that Stacey would have fit into a duffel bag!

[tagalong]

I just heard on GretaWire that Steve C. had never heard of Tom Morphey until just the other day when he was mentioned. Steve is suppose to be one of DP best friends and lives right next door to him yet never heard of Tom Morphey. I say all that to say this, "Wonder why DP felt a need to go visit Tom since he never came around and DP never talked to his closest friend about him.

[i.b.nora]

I just heard on GretaWire that Steve C. had never heard of Tom Morphey until just the other day when he was mentioned. Steve is suppose to be one of DP best friends and lives right next door to him yet never heard of Tom Morphey. I say all that to say this, "Wonder why DP felt a need to go visit Tom since he never came around and DP never talked to his closest friend about him.
Steve Carcerano is probably Drew's ONLY friend at this point. Steve and his wife live about four blocks from Drew and Stacy's house. He is the neighbor that Drew put up to "finding" Kathleen Savio's body. He has known Drew for about five years since he was a neighbor of Drew and Kathleen.

[wicket]

Have they used dogs in the house and yard to follow her scent from clothing? In Scott Peterson's case, they decided that her scent ended at the end of the driveway, I believe. I know they used dogs in the bedroom but they were dogs trained to scent out death.
If DP did in fact sink SP's body how did he do it? Does he have a boat? If used the plane would he need to put the plane on autopilot and push it out? Wouldn't there be a chance the container would crack from the impact? Also, since it is getting colder out, plastic (if it's a tote) would crack and maybe release the contents? (God, am I getting desperate here!) How could DP be sure no one is around the water's edge just fishing or strolling when he drops her to the water? Doing it at night is very tricky and he could miss the water's deepest spot.:banghead:

[SuziQ]

Have they used dogs in the house and yard to follow her scent from clothing? In Scott Peterson's case, they decided that her scent ended at the end of the driveway, I believe. I know they used dogs in the bedroom but they were dogs trained to scent out death.
If DP did in fact sink SP's body how did he do it? Does he have a boat? If used the plane would he need to put the plane on autopilot and push it out? Wouldn't there be a chance the container would crack from the impact? Also, since it is getting colder out, plastic (if it's a tote) would crack and maybe release the contents? (God, am I getting desperate here!) How could DP be sure no one is around the water's edge just fishing or strolling when he drops her to the water? Doing it at night is very tricky and he could miss the water's deepest spot.:banghead:

I don't know about search dogs, but Cadaver dogs were used and all we know at this point is that the scent of death was detected in an upstairs bedroom and one of the cars. Neighbor Sharon says it was Stacy's car. And as far as what he did with the tote/barrel I have no clue. My personal opinion is whatever you put in water has a tendency to come back up. I just don't have a grip on what he may have done.

[wicket]

Being a cop, he knew many areas of the county that were rarely accessed. That part worries me. If he buried her in a remote area, he's banking on the fact that animals will take care of evidence. When is hunting season out there or has it passed yet? Also, Morphey mentioned the tote was sealed - what was it sealed with? Duck tape, rope?

[SeriouslySearching]

I think LE should just open their investigation files for us, don't you?! LOL I am tired of getting secondhand, third, fourth, and fifthhand information!!

The information being leaked isn't telling us the things we want to know!

[DeltaDawn]

I think LE should just open their investigation files for us, don't you?! LOL I am tired of getting secondhand, third, fourth, and fifthhand information!!

The information being leaked isn't telling us the things we want to know!


Great idea SS...maybe we would could get some of our questions answered then.

[dee10134]

Lemont Waterways (shows where the Cal-Sag Channel branches off from the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal)

http://a733.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/125/l_18cee101d63de54dbd3147cd382ac924.jpg

Cross posted in General Discussion of Stacy Ann Peterson.

[dee10134]

Lockport Waterways

http://a568.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/81/l_1e1fe49e10a6154af376cde3517e0717.jpg

Cross posted in General Discussion...

[SeriouslySearching]

Have they searched the John J. Duffy Preserve around the Tampier Slough?

[Taximom]

I think LE should just open their investigation files for us, don't you?! LOL I am tired of getting secondhand, third, fourth, and fifthhand information!!

The information being leaked isn't telling us the things we want to know!

YES!! Wouldn't that be great?

I want to know if they've shown Drew's picture to local storage unit owners to see if he's been there. (and not so local!)

[SeriouslySearching]

It sounds like the ISP hasn't even shown Drew's photo to the employees at the coffee shop if you ask me!

[Liz]

It sounds like the ISP hasn't even shown Drew's photo to the employees at the coffee shop if you ask me!


That certainly seems suspicious in itself, doesn't it? What the heck is going on in Chicagoland???? What kind of investigation are they conducting (or not conducting)?

[SeriouslySearching]

Pretty inept investigation obviously!! Mark F. certainly made that point very clear! (I would hate to be the officers who failed to ask the most pertinent questions!)

[dee10134]

That certainly seems suspicious in itself, doesn't it? What the heck is going on in Chicagoland???? What kind of investigation are they conducting (or not conducting)?

So if I understand correctly, DP and TM were NOT at a Starbucks but at a Krispy Kreme, instead?

[SeriouslySearching]

So if I understand correctly, DP and TM were NOT at a Starbucks but at a Krispy Kreme, instead?It seems that way. I don't know where Starbucks ever was mentioned in the first place, but I think it could have been just a misquote on someone's part. The 3 coffee shops are on the same intersection.

[Liz]

So if I understand correctly, DP and TM were NOT at a Starbucks but at a Krispy Kreme, instead?


Correct. In fact, Mark Fuhrman said they did a taste test to make sure it was an authentic Krispy Kreme. ;)

[dee10134]

Being a cop, he knew many areas of the county that were rarely accessed. That part worries me. If he buried her in a remote area, he's banking on the fact that animals will take care of evidence. When is hunting season out there or has it passed yet? Also, Morphey mentioned the tote was sealed - what was it sealed with? Duck tape, rope?

Deer season just opened...

I think LE is searching in the right areas. If he pinged a cell tower in Lockport, I have a gut instinct that he buried Stacy in the woods near Division Street (there have been a couple bodies found there in the past as well)...

[SeriouslySearching]

Deer season just opened...

I think LE is searching in the right areas. If he pinged a cell tower in Lockport, I have a gut instinct that he buried Stacy in the woods near Division Street (there have been a couple bodies found there in the past as well)...Is that anywhere near the Duffy Preserve and Tamier Slough?

[Camper]

I have been in the hospital since Tuesday, still not feeling up to snuff.

I AM SOOOOOOOOOOO BEHIND!!

Could someone give a brief synopsis on just stuff that happened since Tuesday??

I saw the friend of Morpheys since Jr High on TV between radiology tests ETC.

Made Morphey seem like an ok helpy sort of neighbor and friend. HUH? DID Morphy actually try to kill himself?

Have we downsized the barrel/container/drum to a TOTE bag, whats up with that, I need help here.

DID DP even hunt - what kind of guns does he have, shotguns for birds or rifles for deer etc?????

TIA.

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[chicoliving]

Its so good to see you Camper!!

Searchers are now looking for the blue barrel along with a rectangular storage box similar to rubbermaid. This rectangular container is what Morphey described to his friend. Weighed about 120# and was warm to the touch.

The tote bag remark is something that Ric Mims said in chat and possibly on Greta...said Stacy was so petite that she'd fit in a duffle bag.

During the first SW LE removed long guns....Drew said that he was a collector of sorts, not a hunter.

[Littledeer]

Welcome back Camper!! Hope you feeling better!

[Leila]

I have been in the hospital since Tuesday, still not feeling up to snuff.

I AM SOOOOOOOOOOO BEHIND!!

Could someone give a brief synopsis on just stuff that happened since Tuesday??

I saw the friend of Morpheys since Jr High on TV between radiology tests ETC.

Made Morphey seem like an ok helpy sort of neighbor and friend. HUH? DID Morphy actually try to kill himself?

Have we downsized the barrel/container/drum to a TOTE bag, whats up with that, I need help here.

DID DP even hunt - what kind of guns does he have, shotguns for birds or rifles for deer etc?????

TIA.

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Camper.............I sure hope you're okay!

A lot has happened......don't know where to start!

It was leaked that DP's step-brother, Thomas Morphey, age 40 helped DP move what he described as a rectangular box (think in terms of a large Rubbermaid rectangle container) the evening of October 28th. He said that DP picked him up at a park at about 7:00pm and they went to a coffee shop.

Mark Fuhrman thinks that the coffee shop is actually a Krispy Kreme shop, and he investigated it along with others there. He said that the owner has a video camera and reviewed the images of October 28ths which do show two men coming in at about 7:35pm and leaving at about 9:21, and neither ordered anything. They sat at a front window table. Mark said that video camera is a cheapy and does "blocks" of time, but he thinks one man left for a while. He says the images are grainy, but he thinks FBI could enhance it.

Thomas Morphey says that DDP left for a while and left his cell phone with Morphey, but told him if it rings, don't answer it. It did ring and the caller ID sais Stacy. When DP returns, they went to DP's home to move the container, which Tom says was warm to the touch. Afterwards, DP took Tom home.

Thomas Morphey got home and went to his friend/neighbor, Walter Martineck, who described Tom as being frantic. Tom told Walter that he thinks he just helped DP dispose of Stacy's body. He was frightened of DP and told Walter if he could kill his wife, DP could kill him too. He told Walter not to tell anyone, but when Walter learned of Tom's attempted suicide, Walter went straight to LE and told them what Tom had told him. That would have been on Oct. 30th. Walter is very upset that DP and specifically Dp's attorney, Brodsky, is trying to drag Tom through the mud. Tom's whereabouts are currently unknown, although there's reports that he's in rehab.

The other piece of major information is that there was a report in the Chicago Sun newspaper that Stacy confided to a clergyman in August that her husband had killed his previous wife, KS. Mark Fuhrman tracked the information down, and found the clergyman. He confirmed he was the pastor at Westbrook Christian Church in August 2007, but has been transferred to another church. When asked about Stacy, he said he couldn't discuss that. Mark Fuhrman offered him several hypothetical situations and in this round-about way confirmed the report......to a degree.

DP's attorney is, of course, making terrible remarks about all these people and reports. He's said that DP's step brother, Thomas, is a druggie who's made numerous suicide attempts. This prompted Thomas Morphey's sister to speak saying that's not true, and that until Oct. 28th, her brother had never attempted suicide. The attorney also discredits the clergyman, saying if he talked he broke his oath of confidentiality and therefore his character is questioned.

[Utopia]

I have been in the hospital since Tuesday, still not feeling up to snuff.

I AM SOOOOOOOOOOO BEHIND!!

Could someone give a brief synopsis on just stuff that happened since Tuesday??

I saw the friend of Morpheys since Jr High on TV between radiology tests ETC.

Made Morphey seem like an ok helpy sort of neighbor and friend. HUH? DID Morphy actually try to kill himself?

Have we downsized the barrel/container/drum to a TOTE bag, whats up with that, I need help here.

DID DP even hunt - what kind of guns does he have, shotguns for birds or rifles for deer etc?????

TIA.

.

Welcome back Camper! Feel better soon:)

[SuziQ]

Camper, I hope you are better soon. I was going to have to start posting my own IF IF quotes because I've missed yours so much!

[Littledeer]

close:

I agree with you that the "barrel" was never in the house, but most assuredly the "retangular container" was.

Now with the trucker alert out with a "large package" that DP and a man with salt and pepper hair makes me wonder how a package can equate to either a barrel or a container. More like a container to me. IMO

[Littledeer]

But then again, aren't most truckers USUALLY carrying "barrels" ??

[Camper]

Camper, I hope you are better soon. I was going to have to start posting my own IF IF quotes because I've missed yours so much!




--->>>Thank you!!! BAd news is my gall bladder is giving me grief, Good news is that it was NOT my heart.

The IF word is the biggest one in the dictionary and NOT to be ignored.
Wonder IF IF IF DP has heard this NEWS, he better get some more scarves. I am guessing that Pauls scarf was his 'dye' job.

Wonder how Paul would or will be charged, IF IF IF once all the facts are put together and striped jail cell spa time for him???

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[Littledeer]

camper:

snip from your post 124:

Pauls scarf was his 'dye' job. snip

Did you mean DP's scarf??

Where did Paul have a scarf on??

[Tom'sGirl]

camper:

snip from your post 124:

Pauls scarf was his 'dye' job. snip

Did you mean DP's scarf??

Where did Paul have a scarf on??
I think what Camper meant was ( correct me if I'm wrong her Camper) that Paul's dyed hair was his disguise.

[Littledeer]

Tom:

Thanks for the correction! Guess I was going to the past with DP and the SCARF.

I took it literally as a scarf. Still learning all this WS sleuthing lingo. :)

Pretty stupid of DP to be notable to the truck drivers but yet, Paul wanted to disguise himself?? Wonder how DP TRIED to disguise himself??

Obviously not well enough for the truck drivers to call LE..........

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome back, Camper!!! (I will pm you soon!!!)

I agree that maybe Paul has dyed his hair as a disguise so he would not be recognized by the truckers, too. They seemed pretty certain that DP was the other man tho...so I guess the ole' bandana trick failed him!

I looked carefully and the only other person with near salt n pepper hair is his good friend, Steve C.! Can't be Ric, isn't Tom, and doesn't appear to be anyone else we have seen on camera at least.

[Camper]

Welcome back, Camper!!! (I will pm you soon!!!)

I agree that maybe Paul has dyed his hair as a disguise so he would not be recognized by the truckers, too. They seemed pretty certain that DP was the other man tho...so I guess the ole' bandana trick failed him!

I looked carefully and the only other person with near salt n pepper hair is his good friend, Steve C.! Can't be Ric, isn't Tom, and doesn't appear to be anyone else we have seen on camera at least.



--->>>Maybe Steve C. has had a nose job er, hmmm. OR he coulda been wearing a hat and donut wear it nomore, duh, hmmm #2.

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[Camper]

I think what Camper meant was ( correct me if I'm wrong her Camper) that Paul's dyed hair was his disguise.




--->>>Yep, you were spot on, DP only had one scarf, ya think? He should have worn a pair of those funky black horn rimmed glasses with the BIG NOSE and mustache. Better yet purchased two pair, both of em could have worn them, then we all would be looking for twins. Nah, LE would be smarter than that.

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[tagalong]

http://www.rubbermaid.com/rubbermaid/product/product.jhtml?prodId=HPProd150036

Jumbo Storage Box Rubbermaid (BLUE)SIZE42.7 x 21.4 x 18in
Click on above link, if you want a chill to run up your spine this early in the morning. The 15 minutes DP needed to run an errand, when he and the kids were over at Sharon's house about 12:30pm 10/28 for trick or treat candy, was for DP to put Stacy into blue storage bin. (Could she have been in bath tub, in bathroom, door locked, to keep kids out. I believe DP killed Stacy 10/28 between 10:25 am and 11:45 am. And he also had to drive Stacy's car to the airport and leave it and walk back home in this time frame. He was a busy serial killer that morning!!

[TGIRecovered]

9(snipped)... I believe DP killed Stacy 10/28 between 10:25 am and 11:45 am. And he also had to drive Stacy's car to the airport and leave it and walk back home in this time frame. He was a busy serial killer that morning!!

Stacey's car was not missing from the driveway until about 1:30 I think, according to Sharon. So it was there, even after Drew said she had already left.

(Added later..oops! I was wrong. Tagalong found Sharon's timeline and the car was gone at 11:55!)

[tagalong]

This is an approximate timeline from Bosco, neighbor Sharon Bychowski and blog entries on the findstacypeterson.com Web site filed by her sister, Cassandra Cales:

9:40 a.m.: Bychowski, on the way to the grocery store, saw the Petersons' two vehicles in their driveway.

10:15 a.m.: A friend called Stacy Peterson to talk about meeting to paint that day. She told him she was still in bed, but they made plans to meet. The pair hung up around 10:25 a.m.

11 a.m.: Drew Peterson said he woke up and found Stacy Peterson gone. He told the Tribune and others she had left to paint a home in Yorkville.

11:55 a.m.: Bychowski returned from the store and saw only the Petersons' GMC Yukon Denali in the driveway. She said she called the house to let them know she brought back suckers for the kids and Drew Peterson got on the phone after she asked for Stacy Peterson.

"He said, 'She went to her grandpa's to do errands for him.' Grandpa is on the South Side of Chicago," Bychowski said. "I said I had these suckers for the kids, and he said, 'Let me get the kids some lunch and I'll be over.'"

1 p.m.: Drew Peterson came over with his children and told Bychowski he had to run an errand, she said. He said he would be back in 15 minutes, and he was, Bychowski said.

1:48 p.m.: Bychowski called Stacy Peterson's cell phone, and it went straight to voice mail. Meanwhile, Cales tried reaching her all day.

8 p.m.: Drew Peterson told Bychowski he had left a message for Stacy Peterson telling her he was worried about her.

9 p.m.: Drew Peterson says Stacy Peterson called him and told him she was leaving him for another man.

11 p.m.: Cales went to the Petersons' home and said neither car was in the driveway. She knocked on the door, and one of the Petersons' children told her Stacy Peterson and Drew Peterson had a big fight that morning and that neither of them was there.

11:26 p.m.: Cales called Bosco, who told her to call Drew Peterson. Cales did call Drew Peterson. Bosco said, "She said [when Drew Peterson answered] she heard the keys in the background. He's a little flustered, out of breath, while putting the keys in the ignition. And she said, 'Where are you?' And he said, 'I'm at home.' And he said he'd been out looking for her sister."

Cales went to the Downers Grove Police Department, which sent her to Bolingbrook police.

2:30 a.m.: Cales and her friend Bruce Zidarich drove by the Petersons' home and said both cars were in the driveway, so Zidarich called Drew Peterson. "Bruce said, 'Where's Stacy?'" Bosco said. 'And Drew said, 'She's left me.' And he said, 'The car was at the whatchamacallit.' And Bruce asked, 'What's the whatchamacallit?' and Drew said, 'Wait a second, let me get my head on straight.' Then he said, 'She left the car at the airport and she took $25,000,' and was going to either Jamaica or Bahamas."

4 a.m.: Cales reported Stacy Peterson missing to Illinois State Police.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_29nov29,0,2276631.story

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks! The timeline helps alot!!

[TGIRecovered]

Corrected my last post, thanks tag!

Susan

[closeobserver]

This is an approximate timeline from Bosco, neighbor Sharon Bychowski and blog entries on the findstacypeterson.com Web site filed by her sister, Cassandra Cales:

9:40 a.m.: Bychowski, on the way to the grocery store, saw the Petersons' two vehicles in their driveway.

10:15 a.m.: A friend called Stacy Peterson to talk about meeting to paint that day. She told him she was still in bed, but they made plans to meet. The pair hung up around 10:25 a.m.

11 a.m.: Drew Peterson said he woke up and found Stacy Peterson gone. He told the Tribune and others she had left to paint a home in Yorkville.

11:55 a.m.: Bychowski returned from the store and saw only the Petersons' GMC Yukon Denali in the driveway. She said she called the house to let them know she brought back suckers for the kids and Drew Peterson got on the phone after she asked for Stacy Peterson.

"He said, 'She went to her grandpa's to do errands for him.' Grandpa is on the South Side of Chicago," Bychowski said. "I said I had these suckers for the kids, and he said, 'Let me get the kids some lunch and I'll be over.'"

1 p.m.: Drew Peterson came over with his children and told Bychowski he had to run an errand, she said. He said he would be back in 15 minutes, and he was, Bychowski said.

1:48 p.m.: Bychowski called Stacy Peterson's cell phone, and it went straight to voice mail. Meanwhile, Cales tried reaching her all day.

8 p.m.: Drew Peterson told Bychowski he had left a message for Stacy Peterson telling her he was worried about her.

9 p.m.: Drew Peterson says Stacy Peterson called him and told him she was leaving him for another man.

11 p.m.: Cales went to the Petersons' home and said neither car was in the driveway. She knocked on the door, and one of the Petersons' children told her Stacy Peterson and Drew Peterson had a big fight that morning and that neither of them was there.

11:26 p.m.: Cales called Bosco, who told her to call Drew Peterson. Cales did call Drew Peterson. Bosco said, "She said [when Drew Peterson answered] she heard the keys in the background. He's a little flustered, out of breath, while putting the keys in the ignition. And she said, 'Where are you?' And he said, 'I'm at home.' And he said he'd been out looking for her sister."

Cales went to the Downers Grove Police Department, which sent her to Bolingbrook police.

2:30 a.m.: Cales and her friend Bruce Zidarich drove by the Petersons' home and said both cars were in the driveway, so Zidarich called Drew Peterson. "Bruce said, 'Where's Stacy?'" Bosco said. 'And Drew said, 'She's left me.' And he said, 'The car was at the whatchamacallit.' And Bruce asked, 'What's the whatchamacallit?' and Drew said, 'Wait a second, let me get my head on straight.' Then he said, 'She left the car at the airport and she took $25,000,' and was going to either Jamaica or Bahamas."

4 a.m.: Cales reported Stacy Peterson missing to Illinois State Police.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_29nov29,0,2276631.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_29nov29,0,2276631.story)

It would be great if someone could also interject the times that we know relating to the coffee shop, moving of the barrel, and similar details.

Thanks for the above. This is a very sad, yet obvious case. Hope LE finds Stacy soon so the case can be closed beyond ANY doubt.

[Taximom]

I wonder what he did in those 15 minutes when Sharon had the kids? Were all the kids over there or just the 2 youngest?

[TGIRecovered]

I wonder what he did in those 15 minutes when Sharon had the kids? Were all the kids over there or just the 2 youngest?

Maybe he got the barrell from the basement to the bedroom and stuffed Stacey in it before she had time to stiffen up.

[lewielew]

#2 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56707

#1 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56297very nice

[TGIRecovered]

very nice

Welcome to websleuths Lew!
Are you referring to the threads in general being nice or are you being sarcastic?

I saw the thread that disappeared, I agree that it is best to leave it alone and let'em read all he wants...who cares?

Are you the Lew from greta's comments? Is that short for lieutenant, former or current?

Susan

[SuziQ]

Don't rise to the bait. People are trying to drag us into something we do not want part of.

[TGIRecovered]

Take your word for it, Thx, Suz!:doh:

[DeltaDawn]

I think he returned Stacy's car to the house because he knew earlier in the night that Cassandra was suspicious because Stacy's car wasn't there. So he thought if the car is returned no one will ask any more questions for days..because her car is in the driveway. But he missed the boat on that concept..because people were already suspicious.


I think Cassandra's 2:30 AM visit to Drew's to see if the cars were both there yet is very important. He knew she was out front and asked her what she was doing..she told him she had just reported Stacy missing to LE ..he stammmered and stuttered.

Soon after that he would have taken off from the house in a frenzy, to pick up Paul(?), then heading toward the truck stop to get rid of Stacy's body.

I beleive until Cassandra showed up at Drew's at 2:30 AM he thought he could dispose of her body the next day. I think he thought people would buy whatever story he had or was going to come out with. But this threw a monkey wrench into the plans and he had to act quickly and not as wisely as he may have planned on doing.

[lewielew]

I think he returned Stacy's car to the house because he knew earlier in the night that Cassandra was suspicious because Stacy's car wasn't there. So he thought if the car is returned no one will ask any more questions for days..because her car is in the driveway. But he missed the boat on that concept..because people were already suspicious.


I think Cassandra's 2:30 AM visit to Drew's to see if the cars were both there yet is very important. He knew she was out front and asked her what she was doing..she told him she had just reported Stacy missing to LE ..he stammmered and stuttered.

Soon after that he would have taken off from the house in a frenzy, to pick up Paul(?), then heading toward the truck stop to get rid of Stacy's body.

I beleive until Cassandra showed up at Drew's at 2:30 AM he thought he could dispose of her body the next day. I think he thought people would buy whatever story he had or was going to come out with. But this threw a monkey wrench into the plans and he had to act quickly and not as wisely as he may have planned on doing.

i agree 100%

[TGIRecovered]

He probably also knew that if the Denali was there, people could assume he was at home asleep, not out tyring to get rid of a body. So what if the barrell was in the Denali? The windows were tinted and they couldn't search it without a warrant and no one was looking for a body yet anyway.
If Drew found a trucker and met him closeby to give him the barrell it would appear that the Denali was only gone for a very short time if anyone noticed it at all. Drew could claim he was home all night.

[close_enough]

Welcome to websleuths Lew!
Are you referring to the threads in general being nice or are you being sarcastic?

I saw the thread that disappeared, I agree that it is best to leave it alone and let'em read all he wants...who cares?
Are you the Lew from greta's comments? Is that short for lieutenant, former or current?

Susan

i saw it also, & agree with you...who cares if he's reading here?

[close_enough]

I think he returned Stacy's car to the house because he knew earlier in the night that Cassandra was suspicious because Stacy's car wasn't there. So he thought if the car is returned no one will ask any more questions for days..because her car is in the driveway. But he missed the boat on that concept..because people were already suspicious.


I think Cassandra's 2:30 AM visit to Drew's to see if the cars were both there yet is very important. He knew she was out front and asked her what she was doing..she told him she had just reported Stacy missing to LE ..he stammmered and stuttered.
Soon after that he would have taken off from the house in a frenzy, to pick up Paul(?), then heading toward the truck stop to get rid of Stacy's body.

I beleive until Cassandra showed up at Drew's at 2:30 AM he thought he could dispose of her body the next day. I think he thought people would buy whatever story he had or was going to come out with. But this threw a monkey wrench into the plans and he had to act quickly and not as wisely as he may have planned on doing.

you think that DP talked to Cassandra outside that night?...i thought there was about a 3 or 4 hour period where Cassandra wasn't around to see what cars were there & what weren't???....lost

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Lew!

[SeriouslySearching]

Boy, this thread has wandered WAY off topic! Did we forget we have a general discussion thread? LOL

[Tom'sGirl]

Boy, this thread has wandered WAY off topic! Did we forget we have a general discussion thread? LOL

:D :D :D

[DeltaDawn]

Well it relates to the blue barrel and the box..because they were seen being moved on Sunday and then gone on Monday..so Sometime late Sunday/ early Monday they were moved.

[TGIRecovered]

That's what I thought DD. We are talking about circumstances surrounding the disposal of the barrell, right?

[DeltaDawn]

That's what I thought DD. We are talking about circumstances surrounding the disposal of the barrell, right?
Absolutely.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL OK OK OK It is blue barrel talk. (We have wandered a few times tho!)

[DeltaDawn]

Where do you think the barrel/box ended up?

I am thinking it went on the truck to near Rice Lake Wisconsin..where Drew picked it up and then she is buried near the lake or was dumped in the lake..but I think that she is no longer in the barrel..that just got pitched out somewhere after they retrieved her body from the trucker.

[close_enough]

this is posted over at findstacy.com...

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/beaconnews/news/678606,AU03_BARREL_WEB.article

[TGIRecovered]

I agree it would be smarter for DP to remove her from the barrell before disposing. Why preserve the trace evidence if you don't have to?
He would still have to do something extra to the barrell to get rid of remaining trace evidence inside. If he tried to burn it there could still be fibers and stuff melted in the plastic.
Wouldn't it be cool if he got stupid paranoid and returned to the dump site to better dispose of something, or to see if it has been discovered or disturbed. Dreaming...
drew, do you hear voices in the night?...scratching under the bed...sloppy wet footsteps in the bathroom?...do you feel the covers rustle when she rolls over in the night...catch a glimpse of her from the corner of your eye?

[JerzWhim]

drew, do you hear voices in the night?...scratching under the bed...sloppy wet footsteps in the bathroom?...do you feel the covers rustle when she rolls over in the night...catch a glimpse of her from the corner of your eye?

How much you wanna bet that at this point he wishes he just divorced her?

[closeobserver]

Where do you think the barrel/box ended up?

I am thinking it went on the truck to near Rice Lake Wisconsin..where Drew picked it up and then she is buried near the lake or was dumped in the lake..but I think that she is no longer in the barrel..that just got pitched out somewhere after they retrieved her body from the trucker.
Sorry, I have missed the connection to Rice Lake. Please fill me in.
Thanks!

Also, no, DP doesn't wish he had just divorced Stacy. Not if she knew about his murdering the 3rd wife. This was his only chance to stay out of prison.

[Leila]

http://www.rubbermaid.com/rubbermaid/product/product.jhtml?prodId=HPProd150036

Jumbo Storage Box Rubbermaid (BLUE)SIZE42.7 x 21.4 x 18in
Click on above link, if you want a chill to run up your spine this early in the morning. The 15 minutes DP needed to run an errand, when he and the kids were over at Sharon's house about 12:30pm 10/28 for trick or treat candy, was for DP to put Stacy into blue storage bin. (Could she have been in bath tub, in bathroom, door locked, to keep kids out. I believe DP killed Stacy 10/28 between 10:25 am and 11:45 am. And he also had to drive Stacy's car to the airport and leave it and walk back home in this time frame. He was a busy serial killer that morning!!

I absolutely agree! And THIS Rubbermaid container fits the description perfectly! If you look at this container and then imagine it standing on one end in an upright position, it would look like a blue barrel. A neighbor, happening to look out their window or working in their garage, and seeing it from a distance in a position on end would think it was a barrel.

[Leila]

I think he returned Stacy's car to the house because he knew earlier in the night that Cassandra was suspicious because Stacy's car wasn't there. So he thought if the car is returned no one will ask any more questions for days..because her car is in the driveway. But he missed the boat on that concept..because people were already suspicious.


I think Cassandra's 2:30 AM visit to Drew's to see if the cars were both there yet is very important. He knew she was out front and asked her what she was doing..she told him she had just reported Stacy missing to LE ..he stammmered and stuttered.

Soon after that he would have taken off from the house in a frenzy, to pick up Paul(?), then heading toward the truck stop to get rid of Stacy's body.

I beleive until Cassandra showed up at Drew's at 2:30 AM he thought he could dispose of her body the next day. I think he thought people would buy whatever story he had or was going to come out with. But this threw a monkey wrench into the plans and he had to act quickly and not as wisely as he may have planned on doing.

In retrospect, it's too bad Cassandra didn't hang around somewhere in the neighborhood where she could have a vantage point of the Peterson residence and if and when he left, followed him discreetly. Was her friend, Bruce, with her at that point? If she had her doors locked and her cell phone with her in case she had to call 911, she might have been able to verify what DP did in the wee hours of Oct. 29th, and who went with him.

[SeriouslySearching]

In retrospect, it's too bad Cassandra didn't hang around somewhere in the neighborhood where she could have a vantage point of the Peterson residence and if and when he left, followed him discreetly. Was her friend, Bruce, with her at that point? If she had her doors locked and her cell phone with her in case she had to call 911, she might have been able to verify what DP did in the wee hours of Oct. 29th, and who went with him.Bless her heart, I bet she has thought the same thing a million times since that night.

[ladeda7777]

What is also interesting to think about is the developer friend that witnessed the will. I wonder if the friend has any current developments going on. A backhoe at a site can do a lot of work in a small amount of time to bury a blue barrel. Does anyone know of Marcolina and how far the Crest Hill area is or whether he has other developments close by. Also, if someone was placed in a barrel and the barrel was filled with cement and then buried could cadaver dogs catch the scent?

Just a thought...

[concernedperson]

What is also interesting to think about is the developer friend that witnessed the will. I wonder if the friend has any current developments going on. A backhoe at a site can do a lot of work in a small amount of time to bury a blue barrel. Does anyone know of Marcolina and how far the Crest Hill area is or whether he has other developments close by. Also, if someone was placed in a barrel and the barrel was filled with cement and then buried could cadaver dogs catch the scent?

Just a thought...

I think cadaver dogs could catch the scent depending on the wind factor. No idea where this person is developing but I would still look for a body of water. The personal crimes seem to involve a body of water in this case and many others. Sort of like cleansing of the episode. The random crimes seem to leave the remains off the side of the road or dumped in the woods. Probably because of no connection to the victim and not worried about DNA.

An LE officer is going to have DNA in most jurisdictions on file. I am job hunting and that is part of the hunt...submit to drug testing so blood samples are there.

[ladeda7777]

Hi concernedperson,
I guess that what bothers me is that the water disposal seems so obvious. I know that this is way off but if a developer was about to pour a cement foundation .... it could be a good 30 or more years to discovery if ever.

[concernedperson]

Hi concernedperson,
I guess that what bothers me is that the water disposal seems so obvious. I know that this is way off but if a developer was about to pour a cement foundation .... it could be a good 30 or more years to discovery if ever.

That is what was said about Jimmy Hoffa. And, he still hasn't been discovered. It could be but we are looking at a short time frame with a pugnacious perp. I don't think Drew had the patience to be that controlled. He always had backing but he was in a time squeeze. He enlisted people who did have a conscience and that could be his undoing. No one has heard or seen from Tom. That tells me he is under some kind of protected courtesy. And, that means it is short term...no funds for lower profile cases. He is holed up in a motel 6 with 1 ISP. DP will be arrested before Stacy is ever found. JMO.

[Littledeer]

It's been mentioned that DP has a relative that owns a concrete company. So, I am thinking getting concrete would be no problem for DP. Or for that matter, if as mentioned above, DP has a developer friend, maybe that friend was buying the concrete from DP'S relative.

[Littledeer]

cc:

He is holed up in a motel 6

Is this happening now or just a comment of yours for DP in the future??

[concernedperson]

cc:

He is holed up in a motel 6

Is this happening now or just a comment of yours for DP in the future??

Just an opinion. I know nothing but what I think is common sense.

[SuziQ]

I hope Tom is safe wherever he is and whoever he's with!

[Littledeer]

Not a doubt in my mind that Tom is very well protected and with family members that do care about him. Also, I believe he is getting mental help. Wonder if anyone has done any hypnosis on him, if we are to believe the "memory lapses" that was said earlier?

[DeltaDawn]

Not a doubt in my mind that Tom is very well protected and with family members that do care about him. Also, I believe he is getting mental help. Wonder if anyone has done any hypnosis on him, if we are to believe the "memory lapses" that was said earlier?

I think Tom is safe and secure..that there were no memory lapses..that is something they wanted DP and the public to think.

[itsreenw]

Not a doubt in my mind that Tom is very well protected and with family members that do care about him. Also, I believe he is getting mental help. Wonder if anyone has done any hypnosis on him, if we are to believe the "memory lapses" that was said earlier?
Does he have any?? dp gets him involved in covering up a murder and Mommy Dearest seems to be on dp's side. If I were Tom I would skip Christmas dinner and definitely wouldn't pick up any wrapped gifts left on his doorstep.

[Leila]

I agree about Tom Morphey. Reporters have tried to find him and Mark Fuhrman tried to find him. Tom's gone and the only thing we've got is a comment made to an AP reporter from a woman pulling in the driveway of Tom's home.......she said, "Tom is in rehab." According to an email Greta received from Tom's sister, and read on the air, his sister said Tom has been clean and sober for 10 years until the night he helped DP.

Just based on the above, I think Tom Morphey has been placed in a very safe and secure environment with police protection. I think he's told the police a LOT more than what's been mentioned in the press. The police have leaked just a little bit of information, and probably for a very specific reason.

[cricket]

That is what was said about Jimmy Hoffa. And, he still hasn't been discovered.


Didn't you hear? They found Hoffa when they did Jeffrey Dahmer's autopsy.

[SuziQ]

Does he have any?? dp gets him involved in covering up a murder and Mommy Dearest seems to be on dp's side. If I were Tom I would skip Christmas dinner and definitely wouldn't pick up any wrapped gifts left on his doorstep.

No kidding! lol, Sue Grafton wrote IIRC, in the first chapter of her first book, how sinister Thanksgiving dinners are. Given all the sharp utinsels available to guests, who don't like each other much and choose not to have anything to do with each other the rest of the year.

[i.b.nora]

Greta showed tonight a photograph of a blue container that Ric Mims has said is like a blue container that he had seen in Peterson's garage.

She emphasized that the photo is not the blue container, but like it.

Did anyone else see it?

[Leila]

Greta showed tonight a photograph of a blue container that Ric Mims has said is like a blue container that he had seen in Peterson's garage.

She emphasized that the photo is not the blue container, but like it.

Did anyone else see it?

I saw it, and it doesn't look anything like the blue barrel that Cassandra described. Cassandra put a picture up of a blue barrel that she said is identical to the one she saw. The photo of the blue container that Ric Mims sent Greta, is more square with a hinged lid and is low - about 2 feet by 2 feet, and look rather small - too small to put a body in.

[itsreenw]

From the description Tom Morphey gave, I am picturing something like the storage bin pictured here:
http://www.rubbermaid.com/rubbermaid/product/product.jhtml?prodId=HPProd150034

And the one Cassandra saw has been identified as the barrel the chlorine came in. They can't be talking about the same container.

[i.b.nora]

Well, I can only guess that this is a third blue item.
It had an industrial look to it. I wish Greta would post it at her blog.

[Tom'sGirl]

Well, I can only guess that this is a third blue item.
It had an industrial look to it. I wish Greta would post it at her blog.

So do I, we have everything from a blue barrel, blue storage container, tote, and now this odd looking thing :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

I saw it, and it doesn't look anything like the blue barrel that Cassandra described. Cassandra put a picture up of a blue barrel that she said is identical to the one she saw. The photo of the blue container that Ric Mims sent Greta, is more square with a hinged lid and is low - about 2 feet by 2 feet, and look rather small - too small to put a body in.Yes, this would be the 3rd blue container now to be mentioned (Barrel, rubbermaid type tote, now this one). Ric Mims simply said it was there and now was gone. It didn't look very big, but it would seal much better. Perhaps this is where the purse, cell phone, and other items are? Was it just me or did this new container seem to be metal as opposed to plastic?

[MysteryAddict]

When I had questioned this difference before, someone suggested that the rectangular storage container- if stood up- could appear to the neighbor to be a barrel. Maybe???

I still think there's a big difference between that and a chlorine barrel.

[Littledeer]

mystery:

Someone did post that if the unknown blue container was standing upright, and the neighbor was seeing it from across the street, that it would look like a barrel.

I think there are only 2 types of objects we have here. One is definately a "barrel" and the other a "rectangular" shape.

Ric could or could not be talking about one of them, depending on how close he was to the object and how it was positioined at the time he saw it.

[JustJax]

When I had heard the report of the blue barrel I immediately had a mental picture of it in my mind. We owned one years ago, used to put all of our things that we needed to keep dry on our annual canoe trips.
It was a barrel used to ship nuts and bolts, had a spring ring clasp on the top to keep things air and water tight and was about a 30 gallon capacity.
I am 5' , 120 lbs and could fit inside it if folded in half.
We live about 20 minutes away from Bowling Brook and this case is a weekly topic of conversation at the local watering hole. I have several friends in LE in the area who think its just a matter of time before DP goes down. The search of the waterways was a hot topic last night, but none of my LE friends are giving up info (as it should be) but I get the sense that she will be found one way or another.
Another Peterson case...another desperate search of waterways....makes my stomach turn.

[JustJax]

This is almost exactly what it looked like
http://www.bayteccontainers.com/plastic-drum-55-gallon-opentop-reconditioned.html

[SeriouslySearching]

mystery:

Someone did post that if the unknown blue container was standing upright, and the neighbor was seeing it from across the street, that it would look like a barrel.

I think there are only 2 types of objects we have here. One is definately a "barrel" and the other a "rectangular" shape.

Ric could or could not be talking about one of them, depending on how close he was to the object and how it was positioined at the time he saw it.I don't care HOW well sealed the rectangular container was...Drew wouldn't DARE stand it upright on it's side!! :twocents:

[SeriouslySearching]

We live about 20 minutes away from Bowling Brook and this case is a weekly topic of conversation at the local watering hole. I have several friends in LE in the area who think its just a matter of time before DP goes down. The search of the waterways was a hot topic last night, but none of my LE friends are giving up info (as it should be) but I get the sense that she will be found one way or another.
You need to go to their local watering hole and buy them a few rounds then!! LOL :D

[JustJax]

You need to go to their local watering hole and buy them a few rounds then!! LOL :DLOL
But seriously, this case has me both riveted and nauseated at the same time. I lived in Lockport for many years, (still in the immediate area) and used to cross the bridge where they are searching on a daily basis while taking my youngest to pre-school. Once while going to pick him up I noticed a child walking at the top of the bridge on the sidewalk and remember thinking that it was odd and dangerous. Turns out this boy jumped from the bridge, dying on impact because he had gotten in trouble at school that day.
I am haunted to this day whenever I have to travel that way.

[SuziQ]

LOL
But seriously, this case has me both riveted and nauseated at the same time. I lived in Lockport for many years, (still in the immediate area) and used to cross the bridge where they are searching on a daily basis while taking my youngest to pre-school. Once while going to pick him up I noticed a child walking at the top of the bridge on the sidewalk and remember thinking that it was odd and dangerous. Turns out this boy jumped from the bridge, dying on impact because he had gotten in trouble at school that day.
I am haunted to this day whenever I have to travel that way.

Wow, that is tragic. Thanks for your local input. I agree with SS you need to go buy a few rounds for your friends. Maybe quite a few rounds. lol.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL
But seriously, this case has me both riveted and nauseated at the same time. I lived in Lockport for many years, (still in the immediate area) and used to cross the bridge where they are searching on a daily basis while taking my youngest to pre-school. Once while going to pick him up I noticed a child walking at the top of the bridge on the sidewalk and remember thinking that it was odd and dangerous. Turns out this boy jumped from the bridge, dying on impact because he had gotten in trouble at school that day.
I am haunted to this day whenever I have to travel that way.Awww, that is heartbreaking. It would bother me, too. :(

[SuziQ]

Here are some links to comments regarding pool and water treatment related chemicals. I originally posted them in the Cal-Sag Search thread.

What Chlorine would do:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1838127&postcount=321

Hydrochloric Acid:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1838255&postcount=324

Lye:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1838256&postcount=325

[kpass]

A good friend of mine works at "American Sales" in Tinley Park, which is where DP bought the swimming pool...it's not far from Bolingbrook. She told me the FBI came in the store last week asking questions regarding the pool chemicals, containers they carry...The store told them they don't 'store' them there, but they order them from one of their distributors, the FBI was given the distributors phone number.

[SuziQ]

ETA: In my travels researching lye. I found that it would take about a week or so to turn a body into liquid soap. Interesting timing considering Drew got confident and cocky with the meda about ten days after Stacy disappeared.

[Trino]

When I had questioned this difference before, someone suggested that the rectangular storage container- if stood up- could appear to the neighbor to be a barrel. Maybe??? I still think there's a big difference between that and a chlorine barrel.

Eyewitnesses at accidents don't always get the details correct. I think C is correct in that she saw something large and blue, but perhaps it was not what most people call a barrel.

If D had to special order a container of chemicals, wouldn't LE would be on this right away?

I'm leaning toward one blue container, no chemicals, that contains a body.

[SuziQ]

Eyewitnesses at accidents don't always get the details correct. I think C is correct in that she saw something large and blue, but perhaps it was not what most people call a barrel.

If D had to special order a container of chemicals, wouldn't LE would be on this right away?

I'm leaning toward one blue container, no chemicals, that contains a body.

At findstacy.com, Cassandra posted a pic of what the barrel she saw looked like. Big, blue, round, 30 gallons. Just like the rainbarrel types.

LE didn't know for sure whether pool chemicals were in the container or where Drew bought it from until the Pool Guy came forward. And we don't