Did Morphey know what he was involved in?

[closeobserver]

It is my opinion that Morphey knew what he was involved in:

If Morphey wasn't part of this plot, why did Drew give him the phone to hold? If he wasn't involved, wouldn't Drew just put his phone on silent, hide it in a cabinet, then go make the call?

If Morphey did know, Drew would make him a further accessory to the crime, therefore, giving him more blackmail ammo to keep him quite.

Why else is Morphey not coming forward with more info? Why is he having "memory lapses" about the time frame around the barrel moving?

[Trino]

It is my opinion that Morphey knew what he was involved in:

If Morphey wasn't part of this plot, why did Drew give him the phone to hold? If he wasn't involved, wouldn't Drew just put his phone on silent, hide it in a cabinet, then go make the call?

If Morphey did know, Drew would make him a further accessory to the crime, therefore, giving him more blackmail ammo to keep him quite.

Why else is Morphey not coming forward with more info? Why is he having "memory lapses" about the time frame around the barrel moving?

I think Drew - because of his experience, not his intelligence - is smarter than to give Morphey a phone and tell him not to answer it if it rings. As you said, why not just put it on silent, then hide it.
Not defending Drew, but IMO Morphey is not reliable.

We keep hearing ideas about a blue barrel and a blue rectangular container. Which was it? I have doubts about either one containing Stacy because it is common knowledge that the more people you involve in a crime, the greater the odds of being caught. DP knows this basic. If DP did this crime, I think he acted alone. Either the barrel is a ruse, or the neighbor was mistaken.

[browneyedgirl]

It is my opinion that Morphey knew what he was involved in:

If Morphey wasn't part of this plot, why did Drew give him the phone to hold? If he wasn't involved, wouldn't Drew just put his phone on silent, hide it in a cabinet, then go make the call?

If Morphey did know, Drew would make him a further accessory to the crime, therefore, giving him more blackmail ammo to keep him quite.

Why else is Morphey not coming forward with more info? Why is he having "memory lapses" about the time frame around the barrel moving?

I agree completely, CO. I believe that DP involved Morphey because knowing his history, I think DP thought that LE wouldn't view him as credible, if he were to turn over evidence.

Another poster on here, TGIRecovered, said yesterday that she suspected that DP might have actually poisioned Morphey, which I have a tendency to agree with her theory......DP gave Morphey a bottle of his favorite beverage, with the anti-depressants laced in it.

[mysteriew]

I think Morphey knew. But I think after he participated it hit him what he had done and he got scared. I think he called the friend and told him what he was afraid of, in order to try to promote the idea that he had been unwillingly duped into telling.

If you were asked to move a barrel out of a bedroom, wouldn't you ask what was in the barrel?
If you were given a phone to hold and told not to answer, wouldn't you wonder what was happening? And wouldn't you be less comfortable with moving that barrel?

[Trino]

I agree completely, CO. I believe that DP involved Morphey because knowing his history, I think DP thought that LE wouldn't view him as credible, if he were to turn over evidence.

Another poster on here, TGIRecovered, said yesterday that she suspected that DP might have actually poisioned Morphey, which I have a tendency to agree with her theory......DP gave Morphey a bottle of his favorite beverage, with the anti-depressants laced in it.

If DP gave Morphey a bottle, wouldn't Morphey have given this info to LE? They would have been all over DP about this by now.

[browneyedgirl]

If DP gave Morphey a bottle, wouldn't Morphey have given this info to LE? They would have been all over DP about this by now.

I wasn't saying that DP gave anything to anyone. All I was saying was that was another's posters theory and I think that the theory is entirely plausible, given what we know about DP's character.

[SuziQ]

This post from Chitown makes me think that Thomas Morphy did know what was going on.

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This is why I question how much does Tom Morphy really know. Last night Chitown posted the below comment and I and yet I don't think the Suntimes mentions it. Very very chilling, IMO.

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I saw the NBC 5 report and tomorrow's front page of the Sun-Times, in big, bold, letters will state " STACY TOLD CLERGY DREW KILLED KATHY".

Also on this report, "according to sources", Stacy told Drew a few days before she went missing she wanted him out of the house by next weekend. Drew then called his step brother and said he needs to "dispose of the problem".

Chilling report and I feel the walls are closing in on Him now.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=95 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1822580&postcount=95)

[SuziQ]

If DP gave Morphey a bottle, wouldn't Morphey have given this info to LE? They would have been all over DP about this by now.

Now remember, Morphy is having "memory lapes".

[TGIRecovered]

Drew had just been told by Stacy that he had to be out of their home by Wednesday. She likely used the fact that she knew he had killed his previous wife as leverage, otherwise, why would Stacy be so bold? Stacy must have threatened to tell, and that got her killed. She knew he was dangerous and a control freak. Stacy knew that without some kind of powerful threat looming over his head, Drew would laugh at the thought of leaving "his",( not "their's") in his mind, own home.

Having just experienced this betrayal by Stacy threatening to go to the police with what she knew if he did not leave, I don't believe Drew would have considered risking letting anyone in on his little secret that Stacy was dead. Why would he trust a substance abuser? I speak from experience, I am a recovered alcoholic. If I were still drinking (thank God I'm not!) I could never be sure WHAT I might tell if I were drunk out of my mind.

Drew is a cop. He ran a bar. He worked undercover drugs. Drew knew Thomas had a drinking problem. How many drunks, maybe even Thomas himself, have spilled their guts to him and not remembered it the next day? How many times has Drew purposefully gotten someone drunk or high just to get them to talk?

Drew would be a fool to let Thomas know he killed Stacy; unless he had reason to believe Thomas would no longer be around to talk after they were through disposing of the body.

Thomas was probably very suspicious when Drew left him with the phone. Leaving it in a cabinet in a coffee shop would risk getting it stolen or worse, turned in to police by a good samaritan. Drew wanted to "receive" the call in a public place where he had been seen.

When the caller ID read "Stacy", Thomas would have been more suspicious, but I think if Drew had told him what was up before they actually moved the barrell he would be risking Thomas backing out... not a chance Drew could take.

I think the only way Drew would have let Thomas know what was in the barrell is if Drew somehow engineered a plan to help Thomas committ suicide," Drew Peterson-stlye".

I believe Thomas was suspicious, but did not realize what deep poop he was in until he felt the warm barrell. That is why he remembers the warmth so clearly. It was his moment of realization that he was in deep with a killer.

Susan

[curiositycat]

Drew picked Morphey because of his dyfunctionality. He knew that he wouldn't be a credible witness.

[nanandjim]

Okay - How would anyone know the conversation between Drew and stepbrother? Did stepbrother confess to the conversation? I do not believe that Drew would tell anyone. He thinks that he is clever. He probably offered the step-brother some prescription narcotics for his help.

Also, there is no way that I believe that Stacy would threaten Drew with exposing his involvement in Kathleen's death. That would be signing her own death warrant. If it were I, that would be the last thing that I would do--threaten a murderer!

[Elphaba]

Drew picked Morphey because of his dyfunctionality. He knew that he wouldn't be a credible witness.


That is my thinking, too, in regards of the possiblity that this person was brought in on the act, knowing or unknowingly, of disposing of Stacey.

[DeltaDawn]

I don't think Thomas did know what he was involved in until the next day when the news reports said Stacy was missing.
Drew placed him in the coffee shop with the phone not only for the pings to be accurate, but to seal Thomas's cooperation..meaning Thomas would then know he was part of somethin bad, there were witnesses in the coffee shop to them both being there, and that if Thomas went to the police later, Thomas would think he was in trouble also..so he would keep his mouth shut.
Drew thought wrong both about Thomas and the police. And although Drew's lawyer can discredit Thomas' mental health..he is an attorney not a doctor..so therefore Drew's attorney's opinion of Thomas is worthless.
If the police thought Thomas was unreliable they certainly would not have declared Stacy a possible murder vic so early on..this would coincide with Thomas having spoken with police while in the hospital.

[mysteriew]

While I agree that the idea that Drew P might have thought of giving Morphey an overdose, I don't think he did. Because it didn't kill him. If he hadn't voluntarily taken the OD, then that would have come out when he got to the hospital. If he hadn't taken it voluntarily, then when he got to the hospital and they told him he had overdosed, I think at that point he would have been calling LE and pointing at Drew P as his source for whatever it was that he drank.

[DeltaDawn]

I don't think that Stacy ever knew for sure what happened to Kathleen until probably drunk and in an agrument Drew may have said I can do the same to yu as I did to Kathy. Then that may have been confided in to a clergyman, Cassandra, Sharon..but I don't think she would have let on to Drew that she understood what he said or was going to do anything about it..that would have been suicide when you are dealing with someone like Drew.

[golfmom]

I know I keep harping on this issue, but IMHO Morphey becomes extremely credible if it can be proven that he discussed the blue barrel and fears of assisting Drew "get rid of his problem" i.e., Stacy PRIOR to Cassandra reporting Stacy missing.

Regardless of his alcoholic-drugged-out mental-institution status, if he had such a discussion with a friend or his wife BEFORE Stacy was reported missing or BEFORE there was any release of information ... proves he's telling the truth.

[SuziQ]

Okay - How would anyone know the conversation between Drew and stepbrother? Did stepbrother confess to the conversation? I do not believe that Drew would tell anyone. He thinks that he is clever. He probably offered the step-brother some prescription narcotics for his help.

Also, there is no way that I believe that Stacy would threaten Drew with exposing his involvement in Kathleen's death. That would be signing her own death warrant. If it were I, that would be the last thing that I would do--threaten a murderer!

This is what hung up Drews plan. Drew didn't plan for Tom to confess to a friend as to what just happened with the phone and container. Drew also never planned for this friend to contact LE on 10-30. The friends phone call is what led LE to Tom. Since Tom suddenly started having "memory lapses" it doesn't appear that Tom has ever admitted to anything with LE.

[DeltaDawn]

I think that Thomas did OD on his own ..it may have just been an accidental OD or sucide..however I am glad he did because that really got the ball rolling it seems..because about the time he would have been in the hospital telling what he knew, the police were declaring Stacy possible murder vic.

[SuziQ]

I know I keep harping on this issue, but IMHO Morphey becomes extremely credible if it can be proven that he discussed the blue barrel and fears of assisting Drew "get rid of his problem" i.e., Stacy PRIOR to Cassandra reporting Stacy missing.

Regardless of his alcoholic-drugged-out mental-institution status, if he had such a discussion with a friend or his wife BEFORE Stacy was reported missing or BEFORE there was any release of information ... proves he's telling the truth.

That's the beauty of the Tom's confession to the friend. It did happen before Cassandra reported Stacy went missing. In fact it happened as soon as Tom got home around 11PM on 10-28.

[DeltaDawn]

I think Thomas has admitted much to LE and the memory lapses talked about may not even exist..meaning all of this Thomas story is supposedly a leak....so to put more pressure on Drew I can see them saying Thomas didn't supply as much info as he may have to the police. As far as him not being home..I think he is in a safe house now....Drew has too many friends in low places to leave Thomas out and about.

[Rino]

If it were I, that would be the last thing that I would do--threaten a murderer!
Amen!

[SuziQ]

I think Thomas has admitted much to LE and the memory lapses talked about may not even exist..meaning all of this Thomas story is supposedly a leak....so to put more pressure on Drew I can see them saying Thomas didn't supply as much info as he may have to the police. As far as him not being home..I think he is in a safe house now....Drew has too many friends in low places to leave Thomas out and about.

I hope so! And the Priest as well!

[TGIRecovered]

I will also point out that when a known substance abuser gets rushed to the ER blacked out or in a coma, cops don't come running to look for foul play.

I would bet that many, many people who OD don't remember exactly what they took or where they got the stuff. If Thomas said he did not mean to OD, are cops going to test the inside of the bottle to see if it was spiked? You'd probably have to get a very persistant lawyer or family member to insist, and sign stuff agreeing to pay for the extra testing.

People don't believe drunks, even when they sober up and are telling the truth. They write them off as hopeless. Alcoholism is a very misunderstood disease.
I seriously doubt cops were on top of it enough to do a thourough investigation before someone got rid of whatever Thomas ingested.

Consider an alcoholic who just realized he is an accomplice to murder, give him a bottle, and unless he is Powerfully recovered, he will drink it...all of it.

JMO
Susan

[mysteriew]

Has anyone noticed that most of the newspaper accounts of Drew P and Tom end after saying they put the barrel or container in Drew P's truck? So while he helped to load the container, I am not sure if he helped to dispose of it. Getting it into the truck would be much harder for one person to do than getting it out of the truck.

Has anyone seen anything that indicates that Tom helped Drew P to dispose of the body?

[TGIRecovered]

Very good point, DeltaDawn. Good thing he called the friend when he did!

Susan

[TGIRecovered]

Has anyone noticed that most of the newspaper accounts of Drew P and Tom end after saying they put the barrel or container in Drew P's truck? So while he helped to load the container, I am not sure if he helped to dispose of it. Getting it into the truck would be much harder for one person to do than getting it out of the truck.

Has anyone seen anything that indicates that Tom helped Drew P to dispose of the body?

What time did Thomas call his friend? That would give some indication of wether he had time to help dump it or not.

I can see the cops not letting on all Thomas has told them.

[mysteriew]

I will also point out that when a known substance abuser gets rushed to the ER blacked out or in a coma, cops don't come running to look for foul play.

I would bet that many, many people who OD don't remember exactly what they took or where they got the stuff. If Thomas said he did not mean to OD, are cops going to test the inside of the bottle to see if it was spiked? You'd probably have to get a very persistant lawyer or family member to insist, and sign stuff agreeing to pay for the extra testing.

People don't believe drunks, even when they sober up and are telling the truth. They write them off as hopeless. Alcoholism is a very misunderstood disease.
I seriously doubt cops were on top of it enough to do a thourough investigation before someone got rid of whatever Thomas ingested.

Consider an alcoholic who just realized he is an accomplice to murder, give him a bottle, and unless he is Powerfully recovered, he will drink it...all of it.

JMO
Susan

You're right. They may not have believed him. But I think that after they learned that he may have been duped (if he was) into helping Drew P that then they may have taken him seriously.

[sabego]

I have been following this, just reading and reading. Am wondering where step brother was when wife #3 died? Was this someone Drew knew (or thought) he could trust?

Sabego

[closeobserver]

You're right. They may not have believed him. But I think that after they learned that he may have been duped (if he was) into helping Drew P that then they may have taken him seriously.
The more I think about this, the more I think Drew has blackmail info on Morphey, perhaps info not relating to this case. I believe Drew feels that he can intimidate Morphey into helping and to be quite because there is something really bad in Morphey's past that Drew knows about. It's help me out or you are going down for your past.

Seems like Morphey has a bad past that Drew knows about....hence the drug use, memory lapses, willingness to participate in what he must know is a cover up.

Morphey is in deep water either way and is trying to keep his past crimes, and his current involvement quiet. It was too much, so he tried to commit suicide. JMO

[close_enough]

I have been following this, just reading and reading. Am wondering where step brother was when wife #3 died? Was this someone Drew knew (or thought) he could trust?

Sabego

good question!....it's possible that this step-brother was involved w/that, as some kind of favor to DP, and it was held over this guy's head??????...as i said, it's possible...just speculating

sounds like the guy has had problems w/drinking & maybe druggin...who better to "use"....keep something over his head & he'd probably do anything DP asked....

[SuziQ]

(snip)
Thomas Morphey is known in his Bolingbrook subdivision for his award-winning Christmas light display and meticulously striped lawn. But his home's tidy facade belies his messy history of substance abuse issues and a lengthy rap sheet.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/672837,6_1_NA29_PETERSON_S2.article

[nanandjim]

The more I think about this, the more I think Drew has blackmail info on Morphey, perhaps info not relating to this case. I believe Drew feels that he can intimidate Morphey into helping and to be quited because there is something really bad in Morphey's past that Drew knows about. It's help me out or you are going down for your past.

Seems like Morphey has a bad past that Drew knows about....hence the drug use, memory lapses, willingness to participate in what he must know is a cover up.

Morphey is in deep water either way and is trying to keep his past crimes, and his current involvement quiet. It was too much, so he tried to commit suicide. JMO
Don't most crimes have a statute of limitations? I don't know the law. So, I could be wrong. In any case, I would throw myself at the mercy of the police and confess to any and all past behaviors, totally spilling the beans on DP. If DP knowingly covered for his stepbrother, wouldn't that be a worse crime because he is a police officer sworn to uphold the law??

[close_enough]

I agree completely, CO. I believe that DP involved Morphey because knowing his history, I think DP thought that LE wouldn't view him as credible, if he were to turn over evidence.
Another poster on here, TGIRecovered, said yesterday that she suspected that DP might have actually poisioned Morphey, which I have a tendency to agree with her theory......DP gave Morphey a bottle of his favorite beverage, with the anti-depressants laced in it.

i agree w/the statement in bold letters....i don't think DP drugged/poisoned Morphey though....

[closeobserver]

Don't most crimes have a statute of limitations? I don't know the law. So, I could be wrong. In any case, I would throw myself at the mercy of the police and confess to any and all past behaviors, totally spilling the beans on DP. If DP knowingly covered for his stepbrother, wouldn't that be a worse crime because he is a police officer sworn to uphold the law??

Yes, but he is scared, and Drew still has him convinced that he can get away with everything if he does as Drew tells him. Also, he may be afraid that he will be the next murder (or accident bath victim).

People in great deals of stress don't think rationally, and it is obvious that Morphey is searching for a way out by providing some info, but not all. He is going to go down one way or another. I think that's why he tried to commit suicide, not because he is distraught over "possibly unwittingly helping Drew dispose of Stacy".

This guy is in way over his head.

[mysteriew]

(snip)
Thomas Morphey is known in his Bolingbrook subdivision for his award-winning Christmas light display and meticulously striped lawn. But his home's tidy facade belies his messy history of substance abuse issues and a lengthy rap sheet.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/672837,6_1_NA29_PETERSON_S2.article


This may explain why Drew P felt comfortable going to Morph with his problems.



Throughout the 1990s, Morphey accumulated domestic violence arrests in DuPage County. He pleaded guilty to battery in exchange for supervision, which was revoked when he twice failed to show for his court-ordered psychological evaluation.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article

[SuziQ]

This may explain why Drew P felt comfortable going to Morph with his problems.



Throughout the 1990s, Morphey accumulated domestic violence arrests in DuPage County. He pleaded guilty to battery in exchange for supervision, which was revoked when he twice failed to show for his court-ordered psychological evaluation.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article

And yet Drew paints a picture that Stacy's family was screwed up. Drews family is the secret scary screwed up family type. IMO. Stacy's family was struggling with challenges that life threw at them.

[Vegas Bride]

I think DrewP felt comfortable using his stepbrother because he'd come in handy before with dirty dealings. If there had been things in the past he'd helped with and kept quiet then he would have felt better about using him again. I do think he had things to hold over him to keep him in line.
I am suspicous about DrewP giving him the bottle and wish the contents could be tested. Nothing would surprise me when it comes to what DrewP would do.
If both DrewP and his stepbrother have a history of domestic violence it makes me even more sure that there is a lot of family dysfunction we haven't heard anything about yet.

At this time I don't think the stepbrother knew just exactly what he was helping with, DrewP is a manipulator and IMO used him and the deed was done before he had a lightbulb moment. If DrewP had let him know everything, then he would have used him to help dispose of the body rather than to just load the container. He also would have not had a problem using the cell phone more and telling him to answer it so there would be a trail of actual calls received between him and Stacy.
His stepbrother may not be the most savory person but I don't think he wanted to be involved with an actual murder.

[Vegas Bride]

And yet Drew paints a picture that Stacy's family was screwed up. Drews family is the secret scary screwed up family type. IMO. Stacy's family was struggling with challenges that life threw at them.

And as if Stacy's family didn't already have enough tragedy now they have all of this added onto it! My heart goes out to her family and hope they in time will be able to find justice and closure.

VB

[SeriouslySearching]

I think Drew's earlier statements of Stacy being on antidepressants goes along with him using Tom in his grand scheme of things. He probably did offer her pills to him as a reason to get him over to his house. If Tom took some of them then...it could explain his memory lapses. Drew preys on the weaknesses in people and he is a master of manipulation.

Why would Tom stay at the coffee shop waiting on Drew for as long as he did? Didn't this strike him as odd behavior? He is invited out for coffee and the guy bolts? What did Drew tell Tom about where Stacy was at that time of the night and why Stacy wasn't there to help him load the barrel or container? Why didn't Drew have the oldest son help load an "innocent" container in the back of his vehicle? Did the children see Uncle Tom that night? (It was early enough they would have been awake and able to verify he was at least there.)

[browneyedgirl]

I have been following this, just reading and reading. Am wondering where step brother was when wife #3 died? Was this someone Drew knew (or thought) he could trust?

Sabego

We don't know for sure, Sabego. We have all been searching for any news related article that relates to the relationship between DP and TM. According to neighbors and friends of DP, (seen last night on Greta), neither of them had ever even heard of this guy...until the story broke.

According to Sharon, Stacy's neighbor and friend, Stacy had never mentioned him to her either.

[kk's mom]

Drew picked Morphey because of his dyfunctionality. He knew that he wouldn't be a credible witness.

I agree

[browneyedgirl]

I think Drew's earlier statements of Stacy being on antidepressants goes along with him using Tom in his grand scheme of things. He probably did offer her pills to him as a reason to get him over to his house. If Tom took some of them then...it could explain his memory lapses. Drew preys on the weaknesses in people and he is a master of manipulation.

Why would Tom stay at the coffee shop waiting on Drew for as long as he did? Didn't this strike him as odd behavior? He is invited out for coffee and the guy bolts? What did Drew tell Tom about where Stacy was at that time of the night and why Stacy wasn't there to help him load the barrel or container? Why didn't Drew have the oldest son help load an "innocent" container in the back of his vehicle? Did the children see Uncle Tom that night? (It was early enough they would have been awake and able to verify he was at least there.)

That is one thing that I just don't understand, either. Maybe I am just extraordinarly nosey, but I would have asked what's in the container, why does it feel warm? and why are you leaving your cell phone with me, but don't want me to answer it?

In MHO, that's why I believe that Morphey knew more than he is letting on. I also think that's why he called a friend and "confessed".

[closeobserver]

we haven't heard anything about yet.

At this time I don't think the stepbrother knew just exactly what he was helping with, DrewP is a manipulator and IMO used him and the deed was done before he had a lightbulb moment. If DrewP had let him know everything, then he would have used him to help dispose of the body rather than to just load the container. He also would have not had a problem using the cell phone more and telling him to answer it so there would be a trail of actual calls received between him and Stacy.
His stepbrother may not be the most savory person but I don't think he wanted to be involved with an actual murder.

Relating to the bold part: Hence the memory lapses around the time of moving the barrel. Maybe he did, but can't remember? On the other hand, I doubt Drew needed help unloading it. It's easy to roll a barrel down. Drop point was prepared in advance for easy and quick dump... and burial, or submerge?

[Lisa Too]

Don't most crimes have a statute of limitations? I don't know the law. So, I could be wrong. In any case, I would throw myself at the mercy of the police and confess to any and all past behaviors, totally spilling the beans on DP. If DP knowingly covered for his stepbrother, wouldn't that be a worse crime because he is a police officer sworn to uphold the law??

Isn't Morphey the one that managed the bar that DP and Katherine used to own? If so, my guess is that the bar was a "front" for something illegal. That would explain how DP has so much money for toys like airplanes, swimming pools, motorcycles, etc. We have to keep in mind that he has been married 4 times...three ex-wives, three divorces, 4 children, none of these are cheap...and he was able to endow Stacy with fine jewelry, plastic surgery, etc.??? Maybe the bar was a front for illicit drug trade and he kept Morphey quiet by feeding his habit??? Just a thought.

[SuziQ]

I want to know what Drew said to Morphey when he visited him in the hospital on 10-30. I am positive Drew was the cause of Morpheys memory lapse. I have known people who have overdosed, intentionally or not and they remember everything afterwards. In fact, Morphey was clear enough right after he confessed to a friend to be able to give great detail.

[dee10134]

Is it against Websleuths policy to post Thomas Morphey's rap sheet? I have access to his crimes in DuPage county and can post them if need be. Most are domestic battery and battery charges.

[dee10134]

Isn't Morphey the one that managed the bar that DP and Katherine used to own? If so, my guess is that the bar was a "front" for something illegal. That would explain how DP has so much money for toys like airplanes, swimming pools, motorcycles, etc. We have to keep in mind that he has been married 4 times...three ex-wives, three divorces, 4 children, none of these are cheap...and he was able to endow Stacy with fine jewelry, plastic surgery, etc.??? Maybe the bar was a front for illicit drug trade and he kept Morphey quiet by feeding his habit??? Just a thought.

Morphey doesn't have a single drug charge on his rap sheet, so IDK how far into drugs he is. Maybe Morphey's vice is alcohol. He could be just an alcoholic that gets violent when he drinks?

[SuziQ]

Is it against Websleuths policy to post Thomas Morphey's rap sheet? I have access to his crimes in DuPage county and can post them if need be. Most are domestic battery and battery charges.

It never hurts to check with the mods. However it is public info.

Hey, can you locate on Kathleens obit her boyfriends name and pull up his obit? He died in 2005, IIRC. It would be interesting to find a COD for him. You are very good at finding public info.

[dee10134]

It never hurts to check with the mods. However it is public info.

Hey, can you locate on Kathleens obit her boyfriends name and pull up his obit? He died in 2005, IIRC. It would be interesting to find a COD for him. You are very good at finding public info.

It wasn't Kathleen's boyfriend, he was 2nd wife Victoria's boyfriend. His name was Jeffrey Archer. Info on his death: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1813999&postcount=40

IDK cause of death, but apparently he was murdered and found in the IL Sanitary & Ship canal about a mile east of IL-171 and Rt. 83 in Lemont.

I'll find out his obit and post in a sec.

[SeriouslySearching]

It wasn't Kathleen's boyfriend, he was 2nd wife Victoria's boyfriend. His name was Jeffrey Archer. Info on his death: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1813999&postcount=40

IDK cause of death, but apparently he was murdered and found in the IL Sanitary & Ship canal about a mile east of IL-171 and Rt. 83 in Lemont.

I'll find out his obit and post in a sec.That is 17 minutes from Bolingbrook, IL. Interesting. Might be a good place to search for Stacy.

[SuziQ]

It wasn't Kathleen's boyfriend, he was 2nd wife Victoria's boyfriend. His name was Jeffrey Archer. Info on his death: http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1813999&postcount=40

IDK cause of death, but apparently he was murdered and found in the IL Sanitary & Ship canal about a mile east of IL-171 and Rt. 83 in Lemont.

I'll find out his obit and post in a sec.


This is another one if you can believe it! It was discussed by commenter on Greta. Someone on Ancestry.com looked up Kathleens obit. In it he is listed as her "special friend" or something like that. The person then looked up his name and lo and behold His obituary from 1995 came up. Everyone is obviously curious as to what his COD is.

[SuziQ]

Is the Sanitary & Ship canal the same as Cal Sag? If not, what does Cal Sag stand for?

[DeltaDawn]

Hmm I thought I also read something about a man who knew Kathleen well , was so distraught after her death..then he died and some thought it was suicide. I read that either at Greta, Findstacypeterson.com, or one of the many news articles. I can't find it now..but it certainly is food for thought.

[SuziQ]

I found the post about Kathleens BF. Fran posted it in the trail of bodies thread. Thanks Fran!

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I found this on gretawire this morning. What do you think? Truth?

Is this another body? I dunno. In another post, it mentioned he died in the hospital but didn't give a COD.

fran

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11...tion/#comments (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/28/the-big-question/#comments)

Comment by Julie from MN
November 29th, 2007 at 2:25 am
Comment by Wendy, Los Angeles
November 29th, 2007 at 2:19 am
Julie MN. how do you know it’s the same guy???? just curious. Hi by the way, lost you earlier in the gretawire debacle
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Hey Wendy….

Well, it’s the same name as it’s listed in her obituary. And this person (boyfriend) was listed as “deeply missing” Kathleen in her obituary. I assumed from the choice of wording that it was a boyfriend or dear, dear friend of Kathleen’s. He was the only one mentioned with family members.

He doesn’t have a common last name. Age wise - it might work.

All I know is the same name listed in her obituary now as his own obituary.

Did Steve say tonight on the show that “someone’s boyfriend had died”? I missed that part, if Steve did indeed say that.

I find it odd that someone with the same name as Kathleen’s significant


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1823278&postcount=81

[DeltaDawn]

I was just reading over at findstaceypeterson.com that they are bringing barges into that area to help remove cars, trucks, that have been dumped so that the divers are safe in their search for Stacy

Someone local there said that Cal Sag and The Sanitary Shipping Canal meet at this general area, if I understood their post correctly.

[SuziQ]

And I'm not sure J. Archer was Victoria's BF. He just seemed like the most logical one when I searched cold case databases in ILL.

[SuziQ]

I was just reading over at findstaceypeterson.com that they are bringing barges into that area to help remove cars, trucks, that have been dumped so that the divers are safe in their search for Stacy

Someone local there said that Cal Sag and The Sanitary Shipping Canal meet at this general area, if I understood their post correctly.

Thanks! I will be interested in how many bodies will be found, because someone, somewhere in the blogosphere, said the area of Cal Sag has been a body dumping ground since Capone.

[DeltaDawn]

I would not want to be one of those divers then..it sounds like the place could be crawling with corspes.

[dee10134]

That is 17 minutes from Bolingbrook, IL. Interesting. Might be a good place to search for Stacy.

I drive over that bridge every day on my way to work.

[mysteriew]

We need a local. Does anyone know where on Cal Sag one man could remove a barrel from a vehicle and be able to put it into the water? And how fast the current in the canal is this time of the year?

[dee10134]

Is the Sanitary & Ship canal the same as Cal Sag? If not, what does Cal Sag stand for?

The Sanitary & Ship Canal is not the same as the Cal Sag. The Cal-Sag stands for the Calumet Sag River. It's a channel that runs from the Sanitary & Ship Canal through the far southern suburbs of Chicago, no where near Bolingbrook.

The Sanitary & Ship Canal, however, has a number of bodies of water that run parallel, namely the I&M Canal (Illinois & Michigan Canal-which was replaced by the Sanitary & Ship Canal and is now more like a creek) and the Des Plaines River.

[dee10134]

We need a local. Does anyone know where on Cal Sag one man could remove a barrel from a vehicle and be able to put it into the water? And how fast the current in the canal is this time of the year?

I don't think he would have dumped her into the Cal-Sag. It's too far of a drive from Bolingbrook.

However, he could have dumped her into the Sanitary & Ship Canal at NUMEROUS locations ranging from Joliet to Lemont and she would float with the current towards Chicago.

Important bridges that are used for traffic to cross the Sanitary & Ship Canal and the Des Plaines River are Chicago St. in Joliet, Jefferson St. in Joliet, Lemont Road in Lemont, IL-171 in Lemont, the 135th St. Bridge in Romeoville, the IL-7 Bridge in Lockport, and the new I-355 tollway bridge in Lemont. I may have missed a few smaller ones, so forgive me if I forgot some...

[SuziQ]

Thanks dee, now if I'm understanding what I've been hearing in the media, the Cal Sag is being searched because it's near Scott Rossetto's house. LE says it's the last place her phone made calls from?

[dee10134]

We need a local. Does anyone know where on Cal Sag one man could remove a barrel from a vehicle and be able to put it into the water? And how fast the current in the canal is this time of the year?


Oh yeah, almost forgot. The S&S Canal only really sees barge traffic. It's pretty calm most of the year, but I don't really know about any undertow.

The Des Plaines River is also very calm this time of year. The current gets pretty fast during the summer, especially after thunderstorms and heavy rains.

[mysteriew]

Are there any dams or anything to impede a floating barrel?

Somehow I don't see Drew P leaving the barrel to float. Too great a chance that the lid will get knocked off and Stacy's body getting loose. Now weights added and the lid wired on or concrete added to the barrel, that I can see. He could have added the concrete after he dropped Morph off.

[dee10134]

Thanks dee, now if I'm understanding what I've been hearing in the media, the Cal Sag is being searched because it's near Scott Rossetto's house. LE says it's the last place her phone made calls from?

The Cal-Sag is nowhere near Shorewood. If I'm not mistaken, the rivers nearest Shorewood are the DuPage River, the now defunct I&M Canal (more like a creek than a canal) and the Des Plaines River (which merges with the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal near Rockdale.

The DuPage River runs straight through Shorewood, so that's probably the waterway they're currently searching...

[dee10134]

Are there any dams or anything to impede a floating barrel?

Somehow I don't see Drew P leaving the barrel to float. Too great a chance that the lid will get knocked off and Stacy's body getting loose. Now weights added and the lid wired on or concrete added to the barrel, that I can see. He could have added the concrete after he dropped Morph off.

Not too sure on the dams. I know there is at least one on the Des Plaines because the Des Plaines is prone to flood every now and again. There are also locks on the Des Plaines and the Chicago Sanitary & Ship Canal because of the barge traffic.

[mysteriew]

Delaney posted this in the barrel thread

Originally Posted by delaney
State Police are looking under the bridge in Lockport which crosses the I&M canal and the Des Plaines River. Last night on the NBC Local News this was confirmed, as a picture of the bridge from the base was shown, with searchers on horseback. I am going out to do a visual later. We have had several low flying State helicopters in the area since yesterday.

[SuziQ]

To keep things in the right thread I'm going to post the below information on the Rossetto and cal sag connection here,
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56677&page=9

******

http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/672255,stacy112807.stng

Although they’ve found nothing concrete, investigators speculate that Stacy Peterson’s body may have been dumped near Rossetto’s Shorewood town house, sources say.

***
Is the Cal Sag river that is being searched near Shorewood, IL. ?

[DeltaDawn]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/

Has this link been put here yet..Thomas Morphy's friend does an interview ..he is the one Thomas confided in after being with Drew that evening.

If it has been posted let me know and I will remove the link and post.

[SuziQ]

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/

Has this link been put here yet..Thomas Morphy's friend does an interview ..he is the one Thomas confided in after being with Drew that evening.

If it has been posted let me know and I will remove the link and post.

Thanks, brb!

[DeltaDawn]

Dee is there a place where the Cal Sag and Sanitary shipping Canal meet?

[SuziQ]

Delaney posted this in the barrel thread

I am getting lost as to where to discuss what. lol. :waitasec:

[mysteriew]

I am getting lost as to where to discuss what. lol. :waitasec:

LOL, I know. I brought Delaney's post over because it seemed pertinent to the discussion that was happening in this thread.

[SuziQ]

LOL, I know. I brought Delaney's post over because it seemed pertinent to the discussion that was happening in this thread.

I think that means the pieces are starting to fit togther. That's a good sign.

[DeltaDawn]

The interview with Thomas friend is chilling to me because he states that Thomas felt very afraid of Drew because Thomas told him if Drew could do this to his wife..he certainly would do it to a brother.....
That poor man..Drew you are a peice of dirt ..I hope you go to prison for life..the DP is too good for you..you need to live long and suffer...

[SeekingJana]

No, imo, Thomas did not know what he was involved with at the time. Knowing DP, it would not shock me to know that he told the man immediately after the deed was done. DP can be cruel beyond belief, glib, sarcastic, bullying, and we don't know what he may have said to Tom about the barrel moving.

Not an earth-shattering post, but no, IMO, I don't believe that both are sadistic sociopaths, and to me, a person who would or could knowingly move and dump a possibly still warm 23 year old mother's body is a sociopath. I truly believe that DP is, and that Thomas was a very badly misused family member. He probably has long-standing problems, but not the same problems that motivate DP.

One thing to consider:
If DP enlisted Thomas without Thomas's knowledge, then it's going to make DP look a lot worse when this does go to court.. especially since Thomas has apparently suffered mental anguish, as any normal person, including juror, would also experience.

JMO.
Maria

[DeltaDawn]

From the interview with Thomas friend, this is the friend Tom turned to after the moving event with Drew..Thomas did not know what the was getting into and thought he was just helping move a box..but then because it was warm, about Stacy's weight, etc Thomas got suspisious..I feel for Thomas..I think he is another vic of Drew's. Drew probably hoped Tom would leave fingerprints and DNA behind..as well as if there was Stacy's DNA on the box he touched.
Then he was not only trying to frame Scott R but also his brother if Scott R story didn't pan out the way Drew hoped it would with cell pings..

And I absolutely do not beleive he is having memeory lapses..I think Thomas told everything not only to his friend but the police..the memory lapses was probably leaked to insure Thomas and his friends safety..Drew you can't go after someone who just can't remember can you?

What did the rest of you think after watching the clip of the interview with Thomas' friend?

[dee10134]

To keep things in the right thread I'm going to post the below information on the Rossetto and cal sag connection here,
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56677&page=9

******

http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/672255,stacy112807.stng

Although they’ve found nothing concrete, investigators speculate that Stacy Peterson’s body may have been dumped near Rossetto’s Shorewood town house, sources say.

***
Is the Cal Sag river that is being searched near Shorewood, IL. ?

The Cal Sag is no where near Shorewood. It's about 40 miles East.

The DuPage River runs directly through Shorewood. The Des Plaines is due east from Shorewood and is where the riverboat casino is located.

[SuziQ]

I just watched the fox vid with with Thomas' friend Walter Martinek, JR. Drew is one cold and calculating SOB. Can you imagine what Drew said to Thomas in the hospital???!!!! Walter seems like an up and up guy. But I guess Brodsky is going to say he's got issues too.

[dee10134]

Dee is there a place where the Cal Sag and Sanitary shipping Canal meet?

East of Lemont. Near 111th Street. The Cal Sag Channel goes Southeast from there while the S&S continues Northeast, following the path of I-55.

[DeltaDawn]

Oh Suzi Q, Drew has got so much explaining to do now doesn't he. I am so glad that Thomas has Walter for a friend..what a stand up guy he is.

[SuziQ]

The Cal Sag is no where near Shorewood. It's about 40 miles East.

The DuPage River runs directly through Shorewood. The Des Plaines is due east from Shorewood and is where the riverboat casino is located.

Thanks, I pulled google up and what you are saying is making sense now. lol.

[cheko1]

I hope they find her soon! So the scum can be arrested & get the kids out safely. I seriously don't think Drew will be a model prisoner to arrest.

[DeltaDawn]

East of Lemont. Near 111th Street. The Cal Sag Channel goes Southeast from there while the S&S continues Northeast, following the path of I-55.

Would there be fairly easy access to the water there..not to throw over a barrel or container..I think Drew got rid of them somewhere else..but would he be able to toss a hundred lbs body into the water from there?

[dee10134]

Delaney posted this in the barrel thread

Holy $hit! My mother lives two houses away from the bridge "on the floodplain" as the local Lockport "Porters" call it. It's called "the plain" because it's land located between the Des Plaines river and the I&M Canal.

The bridge in question is VERY difficult to stop on. Let alone to stop, dump a body, and have no one see you. VERY HEAVY TRAFFIC ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT and VERY narrow shoulders. It's just a two lane divided highway. It connects I-53 and IL-171 (State Street).

However, it would be quite easy for someone to access the waterways if they went into the residential area underneath the bridge........ it's not very populated "on the floodplain" and there are relatively few streetlights there..... :(

[SuziQ]

Oh Suzi Q, Drew has got so much explaining to do now doesn't he. I am so glad that Thomas has Walter for a friend..what a stand up guy he is.

Walter may have saved Thomas' life. Drew couldn't have that secret out there for long. We know what happened to Stacy because of her secret.

[dee10134]

Would there be fairly easy access to the water there..not to throw over a barrel or container..I think Drew got rid of them somewhere else..but would he be able to toss a hundred lbs body into the water from there?

Possibly, IF he had someone's help to drag the body. There is access to both the river and the canal in the IL-171/IL-83 area...

BUT... it is heavily wooded on both sides of the canal AND the river. Someone would have to help but it appeared that DP was able to EASILY carry Stacy when she was alive... so it's possible he could have parked by one of the junkyards over there and walked her body to the water and threw her in...

IDK if Morphey was involved in all of that. Sounds like DP could have handled that on his own if he was able to pick Stacy up (evident by the photos from that recent wedding).

[SuziQ]

Dee. I am looking at a google map. Is it west 9th street?

[dee10134]

Yes, it's also known as 159th Street and IL-7, but after the bridge it becomes Renwick. I know, very confusing. If you look, IL-7 turns and goes south down IL-53 at the end of the bridge.

We call it the 9th Street bridge or "the bridge to Romeoville" LOL.

[SuziQ]

Yes, it's also known as 159th Street and IL-7, but after the bridge it becomes Renwick. I know, very confusing. If you look, IL-7 turns and goes south down IL-53 at the end of the bridge.

We call it the 9th Street bridge or "the bridge to Romeoville" LOL.

Yes I see it, it does turn into Renwick. I'll post a link. Your mother needs to get her butt down there and tell us what's going on! lol.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Lockport+illinois&ie=UTF8&ll=41.595033,-88.063316&spn=0.043584,0.080166&t=p&z=14&om=1

[Trino]

BUT... it is heavily wooded on both sides of the canal AND the river. Someone would have to help but it appeared that DP was able to EASILY carry Stacy when she was alive... so it's possible he could have parked by one of the junkyards over there and walked her body to the water and threw her in...

Wouldn't a body float? Would DP's car have had mud on it? I wonder if the car has been examined for this.

[DeltaDawn]

I think that Drew dropped Morphy off and then went on about his business later..a dark Sunday night, light traffic, most people in Bed by 11:30 PM to start the work week on Monday.. I think Drew could accomplish the task himself..and could have even put her body in the box in the car by himself..he wanted Thomas fingerprints and DNA there..so he could frame him too as well as Rosettto...that SOB..he isn't human , no warm blood flows threw Drew's viens..he's a reptile...with no conscious..the kids need tobe removed from that house to a safe house ASAP... because this whole thing is going to blow wide open in a matter of days..now that the barges and divers are getting ready.

[SuziQ]

Wouldn't a body float? Would DP's car have had mud on it? I wonder if the car has been examined for this.

In pics of the Denali on a towtruck, there is dried mud around the wheels.

A body only floats if it's free to. According to Walter Martinek, the container was a sealed blue tote. Not sure why Drew needed help with that.

[grace60]

I think Drew's earlier statements of Stacy being on antidepressants goes along with him using Tom in his grand scheme of things. He probably did offer her pills to him as a reason to get him over to his house. If Tom took some of them then...it could explain his memory lapses. Drew preys on the weaknesses in people and he is a master of manipulation.

Why would Tom stay at the coffee shop waiting on Drew for as long as he did? Didn't this strike him as odd behavior? He is invited out for coffee and the guy bolts? What did Drew tell Tom about where Stacy was at that time of the night and why Stacy wasn't there to help him load the barrel or container? Why didn't Drew have the oldest son help load an "innocent" container in the back of his vehicle? Did the children see Uncle Tom that night? (It was early enough they would have been awake and able to verify he was at least there.)


I wondered if Drew knew Tom was on antidepressants. He knew they were in his system and slipped some of Stacy's into Toms drinks a few at a time.

[DeltaDawn]

Wouldn't a body float? Would DP's car have had mud on it? I wonder if the car has been examined for this.

A body would not flost if it was weighted down with scuba weight, bricks, cinder blocks..etc.

I would think Drew may have popped by a car wash self serve on the way home. Those never get all the dirt off my car. the drive through ones, but the get the majority of it and they only take a few minutes to go through.

[DeltaDawn]

The sealed blue tote and even the barrel would float..which is why I beleive the barrel is a red herring and why Drew was suddenly so relaxed..he felt that if they were looking for the barrel that all was well.

I am sure he would not leave her body in either..he would want aquatic life and the water to do it's job..which they couldn't do if she was enclosed in either the box or a barrel. Both the box and barrel are so common place that just putting them in a dumpster or pitching them in a dump area would be all that was needed to seal the deal.

[DeltaDawn]

Well the Army Corps of Eng is going to drege the area to remove the old cars, trucks, trailers..then the divers will come in and hopefully be safe while looking for the body of Stacy.

Dee if your Mom lives near she probably will be able to see the drudging etc going on..I would think alot of people would be there to watch the Army Corps do their thing with their massive barges that dredge. The dredging is just to remove debris so the divers are safe in their search, so there isn't as much for them to get tangled up in water.

[SeekingJana]

From the interview with Thomas friend, this is the friend Tom turned to after the moving event with Drew..Thomas did not know what the was getting into and thought he was just helping move a box..but then because it was warm, about Stacy's weight, etc Thomas got suspisious..I feel for Thomas..I think he is another vic of Drew's. Drew probably hoped Tom would leave fingerprints and DNA behind..as well as if there was Stacy's DNA on the box he touched.
Then he was not only trying to frame Scott R but also his brother if Scott R story didn't pan out the way Drew hoped it would with cell pings..

And I absolutely do not beleive he is having memeory lapses..I think Thomas told everything not only to his friend but the police..the memory lapses was probably leaked to insure Thomas and his friends safety..Drew you can't go after someone who just can't remember can you?

IDK about the rest of you, but I am praying for Thomas M. to recover all of his memories and overcome his current problems with professional help, to get his legs underneath him, so to speak, and to be safe and protected. Maybe the golden opportunity to both redeem/exonerate himself and to put DP away will be very appealing to him when he regains his self- esteem and sobriety.

[dee10134]

In pics of the Denali on a towtruck, there is dried mud around the wheels.

A body only floats if it's free to. According to Walter Martinek, the container was a sealed blue tote. Not sure why Drew needed help with that.

By analyzing the mud, wouldn't they be able to get a better idea of where it came from and thus, a better idea of where to search?

[closeobserver]

Yes, it's also known as 159th Street and IL-7, but after the bridge it becomes Renwick. I know, very confusing. If you look, IL-7 turns and goes south down IL-53 at the end of the bridge.

We call it the 9th Street bridge or "the bridge to Romeoville" LOL.

There is another bridge about a mile south that has been out of order for years. I think it is either Division or Caton Farm Rd that used to extend east of Rte 53 and over the River. The road is deserted, and no traffic. You can't get on the bridge anymore, because it is one of the old bridges that spun open and they have it permanently spun open for barge traffic.

Anyway, the area is desolate and probably easy to dump from the side. I have no idea of the shore, if it drops off, or is a gradual decline, but much of that area of the river has been dredged deep for barge traffic.

Regarding would the body float, there were stories earlier about missing scuba weights from DP's house.

[dee10134]

There is another bridge about a mile south that has been out of order for years. I think it is either Division or Caton Farm Rd that used to extend east of Rte 53 and over the River. The road is deserted, and no traffic. You can't get on the bridge anymore, because it is one of the old bridges that spun open and they have it permanently spun open for barge traffic.

Anyway, the area is desolate and probably easy to dump from the side. I have no idea of the shore, if it drops off, or is a gradual decline, but much of that area of the river has been dredged deep for barge traffic.

Regarding would the body float, there were stories earlier about missing scuba weights from DP's house.

That's the old Division Street bridge.

If you approach it from the IL-171 side, there's a lot of residential areas there then the closer you get to it, you'll see it's the Lockport Water Reclamation plant. It is also the Lockport Dog Pound. My mom had to go there to get her lost dog once. She said it was weird because it was 3 or 4 cages and she's used to the City of Chicago Pound... LOL .

If you approach the Division Street bridge form the IL-53 side, it's desolate and heavily wooded. It think it's a forest preserve on that side now.

[SuziQ]

By analyzing the mud, wouldn't they be able to get a better idea of where it came from and thus, a better idea of where to search?

You bet. And I bet they pinned down exactly where Stacy's phone pinged at 9pm.

[fran]

If this has already been posted I apologize. I just put it in the news thread.

fran



Exclusive: Drew Peterson's Step-brother's Friend Tells All

Step-Brother Felt He Helped Dispose of Stacy's Body

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=21650DF4F575DD22785E4B4F12650F23 ?contentId=5068901&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[fran]

I see this was already posted earlier, but I'll leave it anyway, you all are moving fassssttt!!

Anyway, it appears the brother told his friend on the very night Stacy disappeared before anyone knew about it! 10/28.

fran

[SeriouslySearching]

If this has already been posted I apologize. I just put it in the news thread.

fran



Exclusive: Drew Peterson's Step-brother's Friend Tells All

Step-Brother Felt He Helped Dispose of Stacy's Body

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=21650DF4F575DD22785E4B4F12650F23 ?contentId=5068901&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1 Wow! That certainly does back up Tom's account of things, doesn't it?! His friend came off as quite credible. I think Tom is the smoking gun in this case.

[SuziQ]

I see this was already posted earlier, but I'll leave it anyway, you all are moving fassssttt!!

Anyway, it appears the brother told his friend on the very night Stacy disappeared before anyone knew about it! 10/28.

fran

I can hardly wait to hear Brodsky's explanation about that.

[fran]

Wow! That certainly does back up Tom's account of things, doesn't it?! His friend came off as quite credible. I think Tom is the smoking gun in this case.

I honestly thought it quite touching at the end of the interview, the friend said he wished everyone would back up his friend because of all the bad press he's been getting. He honestly had tears. :(

fran

[fran]

I can hardly wait to hear Brodsky's explanation about that.

LOL, he'll probably take it from the DP play book. "He's lying." :slap:

Everyone lies but DP.

fran

[SeekingJana]

Wow! That certainly does back up Tom's account of things, doesn't it?! His friend came off as quite credible. I think Tom is the smoking gun in this case.

I agree. DP played everyone for fools, but maybe the person with the most visible ' foolish life' in many ways will prove to be his downfall.

Praying that Thomas Morphey receives the help he needs to get healthy and is honest with LE. I want to see DP go down for the murders and other crimes I believe he has committed.

Maria

[DeltaDawn]

I think that Thomas is safe, healthy and secure. He has a wonderful friend and neighbor in WALTER..IN the interview Walter says I wish all the neighbors or whole neighborhood would come forward to support Thomas..another neighbor did when she told reporters about his lwan and the Chritmas decorations that wow the neighborhood each year..Thomas sounds like a recovered person to me that is valued by his neighbors and friends..can Drew say as much?

[DeltaDawn]

I think that Cassandra, Sharon, Thomas and the clergy person will be the true heros in this..sorry Drew just because you were a cop doesn't mean people beleive you....Drew the hammer is coming down..will someone please get those poor children out of that house..the last thing they need to see is their Dad being arrested for their Mom's death.

[SeriouslySearching]

I honestly thought it quite touching at the end of the interview, the friend said he wished everyone would back up his friend because of all the bad press he's been getting. He honestly had tears. :(

franYes, I agree it was touching. He is truly worried about his friend and how people are characterizing him. I would like to see Tom's neighborhood and friends in the media backing him up, too. If they can provide more insight into his true character, it would help bolster his account of what took place.

[DeltaDawn]

I think that they will come forward..if they aren't afraid of Drew's connections...one neighbor came forward before this saying how beautiful his lawn is and his Christmas decorations always wow the neighborhood.
Doesn't sound like a person who was off his rocker on that Sunday..sounds like he knows exactly what he did while in Drew's company. I think he did tell all to the LE and they have him in a safe house..not hospital...and that he has never had memory lapses but his friend's safety and his own are important now, so LE says memory lapses to the source..that's what LE want egotistical Drew to beleive.

[Littledeer]

WOW, what a twist to this story. I should be shocked, but somehow am not knowing what kind of person DP is. (CL)

I am sure the LE have Tom somewhere safe now and he is receiving some type of in-house counseling. Speculation will run rampant on whether these memory lapses are real as is normal for alcoholics or something LE wants DP to believe.

I noticed that a "Starbucks" has been the place that DP and Tom went to that night. Has that been confirmed? Wonder if that's why DP wore that scarf, so anyone at that place wouldn't recognize him or anyone in the area of where Rossetto lived??

[DeltaDawn]

I posted the Starbucks..I have to admit this was either something from Greta where veiwers post or from findstacypeterson.com....but it seems that the people involved narrowed it down to a Starbucks..I think it was at findstacypeterson.com...there are 5 Starbucks in the area, is what another poster said..

Yoou know that may be right Littledeer..Drew didn't want his face seen...and there were probably other people there then...hmmm..Plus I would think Starbucks would have security cameras inhouse...plus be able to talk to employees that worked that shift.

[SuziQ]

It seems most people that have anything bad to say about Tom was from a few years back. Old neighbors and such. I think the new neighbors are probably lumping Tom with Drew. Dee posted earlier that she saw his rap sheet and there was nothing drug related, it was all alchohol. Even Kathleen Savio's nephew who used to party with Tom came across as though he really liked the guy and said that yeah, Tom liked to drink. We all did.

[SuziQ]

I posted the Starbucks..I have to admit this was either something from Greta where veiwers post or from findstacypeterson.com....but it seems that the people involved narrowed it down to a Starbucks..I think it was at findstacypeterson.com...there are 5 Starbucks in the area, is what another poster said..

At 7 p.m., Peterson met his stepbrother, Tom Morphey, at a local Starbucks and discussed "the problems he was having with Stacy and how to dispose of the problem," the source said.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/673072,CST-NWS-SNEED29.article

[Littledeer]

So we know now we have a 8 to 9 hour time frame for DP doing whatever with Stacy. (Based on 10:00 AM phone call from Bruce to 7:00 p.m. @ Starbucks).

Does anyone know if the house had a basement or not?

[DeltaDawn]

Thanks SuziQ...I just couldn't remember where I saw or read that..I have my first Holiday weekend quests arriving tomorrow and I'm logged in but I'm jumping around the house and the internet....need I say more.

[Littledeer]

Forget my question above. Reposted it at the Stacy thread where it belongs. This should be only about Morphey. Didn't itsreween come up with something that Tom and his other brother did some fishing?

[DeltaDawn]

Yes she did but it turned out ,I think, that Rice Lake is in Wisconsin..too much of a distance to fit the timeframe.

[wicket]

My thoughts are leaning toward Drew having chosen Morphey for the reason that he has had emotional and mental problems. I wonder just how many times Drew has asked Morphey to help him with other errands around the house, or anywhere else. Drew is far from stupid but he could he so smart he's crazy and some of his actions could be a desperate man. He could have thought that Morphey would never be believed - he has no credibility. If that is the case, that's a pretty sad development - using someone who is fighting and dealing with mental illness. If so, I'm :furious:

[DeltaDawn]

My thoughts are leaning toward Drew having chosen Morphey for the reason that he has had emotional and mental problems. I wonder just how many times Drew has asked Morphey to help him with other errands around the house, or anywhere else. Drew is far from stupid but he could he so smart he's crazy and some of his actions could be a desperate man. He could have thought that Morphey would never be believed - he has no credibility. If that is the case, that's a pretty sad development - using someone who is fighting and dealing with mental illness. If so, I'm :furious:

Wicket,
It appears Drew uses everyone for his own wants and needs...never thinking of others except how they can help him further his own goals.
Drew will see that all those others are going come back to haunthim now..along with his own needs.

[dee10134]

It seems most people that have anything bad to say about Tom was from a few years back. Old neighbors and such. I think the new neighbors are probably lumping Tom with Drew. Dee posted earlier that she saw his rap sheet and there was nothing drug related, it was all alchohol. Even Kathleen Savio's nephew who used to party with Tom came across as though he really liked the guy and said that yeah, Tom liked to drink. We all did.

His rap sheet was mostly domestic battery and I believe a DUI and a property damage charge. I can post it (if a moderator approves)...

[dee10134]

I posted the Starbucks..I have to admit this was either something from Greta where veiwers post or from findstacypeterson.com....but it seems that the people involved narrowed it down to a Starbucks..I think it was at findstacypeterson.com...there are 5 Starbucks in the area, is what another poster said..

Yoou know that may be right Littledeer..Drew didn't want his face seen...and there were probably other people there then...hmmm..Plus I would think Starbucks would have security cameras inhouse...plus be able to talk to employees that worked that shift.

Why in the world would he cover his face at first then become a "media mogul" a month later? It doesn't make sense to me. The entire country has seen his face but in the beginning he had the audacity to cover it? Why?

[Littledeer]

cuz he thinks he is so good looking that no one will remember his face a month later............

yea right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We did speculate at the beginning that maybe he was hiding any scratches on his face, hopefully LE asked Tom if there was anything he noticed.

[mysteriew]

Why in the world would he cover his face at first then become a "media mogul" a month later? It doesn't make sense to me. The entire country has seen his face but in the beginning he had the audacity to cover it? Why?

I think he was hiding from anyone who may have seen him out and about on that Sun. But after media started showing his pictures in the family pictures, then I think he thought he might as well go on camera.

[chicoliving]

I think he was hiding from anyone who may have seen him out and about on that Sun. But after media started showing his pictures in the family pictures, then I think he thought he might as well go on camera.

I lean this way too. LE saw Drew P that next day the 29th so they woulda noticed any marks.

[Tom'sGirl]

His rap sheet was mostly domestic battery and I believe a DUI and a property damage charge. I can post it (if a moderator approves)...

As per the suntimes:

In 1993, an ex-girlfriend twice sought orders of protection against Morphey, claiming he left threatening messages on her answering machine telling her to "watch your back, don't go to sleep, you'll be taken care of," according to court documents.

Throughout the 1990s, Morphey accumulated domestic violence arrests in DuPage County. He pleaded guilty to battery in exchange for supervision, which was revoked when he twice failed to show for his court-ordered psychological evaluation.

In 1997, Morphey was arrested and convicted twice for drunken driving. During one drunken driving arrest in Sugar Grove, he allegedly told the arresting officer he was "going to get Seagram's for the guy with the glasses."

Helper's messy history
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article)

[mysteriew]

In 1997, Morphey was arrested and convicted twice for drunken driving. During one drunken driving arrest in Sugar Grove, he allegedly told the arresting officer he was "going to get Seagram's for the guy with the glasses."
Helper's messy history
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article)

I confess, the DV accusations are partly what convinced me that Morph was most likely aware of what was happening.

He has been in situations where he threatened the female with violence. Drew P was most likely aware of that. Morph reportedly looked up to Drew P a lot and was afraid that Drew P didn't like him.

So IMO all it would have taken was for Drew P to have gotten on a rant about Stacy threatening to leave, having another man, threatening to not let him see his kids, threatening to take all his money and etc. Morph would have completely sympathized.

After the deed was done, I think Morph must have realized what he actually did. Maybe he had remorse, maybe he became afraid that Drew P would try to frame him, maybe he was just afraid of being caught and maybe it was a little of all of it. The call to the friend was to discharge some of that emotion or to establish that he had been duped. The suicide? Remorse or fear or a combination of both.

[fran]

As per the suntimes:

In 1993, an ex-girlfriend twice sought orders of protection against Morphey, claiming he left threatening messages on her answering machine telling her to "watch your back, don't go to sleep, you'll be taken care of," according to court documents.

Throughout the 1990s, Morphey accumulated domestic violence arrests in DuPage County. He pleaded guilty to battery in exchange for supervision, which was revoked when he twice failed to show for his court-ordered psychological evaluation.

In 1997, Morphey was arrested and convicted twice for drunken driving. During one drunken driving arrest in Sugar Grove, he allegedly told the arresting officer he was "going to get Seagram's for the guy with the glasses."

Helper's messy history
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article (http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/673051,CST-NWS-boling29.article)


Guess this once again reiterates the chain of domestic violence, being handed down from generation to generation. Must be a family thing.

How sad, :(
fran

[philamena]

Drew picked Morphey because of his dyfunctionality. He knew that he wouldn't be a credible witness.

Sounds right to me. Drew knew exactly what type of reputation surrounded Morphey and who knows? Maybe DP gave Morphey a drink or two in order to get his help.
I think DP is a very sly woman killer who's using his police training to cover his bases. But he didn't commit the perfect crime. Someone will find Stacey.

[Schmerty_Jones]

Sounds right to me. Drew knew exactly what type of reputation surrounded Morphey and who knows? Maybe DP gave Morphey a drink or two in order to get his help.
I think DP is a very sly woman killer who's using his police training to cover his bases. But he didn't commit the perfect crime. Someone will find Stacey.

Please Dear God, I beg you to help us!

[Tom'sGirl]

In the media it mentioned that Tom Morphey lived at a residence that wasn't listed in his name.

Then later it mentions a Sheryl Alcox as being his girlfriend. I found her listing and it's nearby DP's home as also mentioned in the media (to be exact, 1.09 mi)

From other reading he has lived at that residence for 7 years as per his neighbor, and she seemed to think him a nice quit guy.

So, was the report wrong saying that DP's wife called 911, or did they mean his girlfriend?

[i.b.nora]

They probably meant his girlfriend. Apparently, she used to work for the Bolingbrook police.

Page 23 (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:aawcexHqENIJ:www.bolingbrook.com/info/pdf/PD_Annual_Report06.pdf+%22Sheryl+Alcox%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us)

There is a Stephen Peterson mentioned on that page also. Its a PDF, but the link is to an http version.

[philamena]

Please Dear God, I beg you to help us!

Ditto the prayer for Stacey to be found.

[Leila]

I haven't had a chance to read the entire thread - trying to catch up.

I don't feel that Thomas Morphey had any idea what he was getting into when he agreed to help DP move something at his home.

According to TM's friend, Walter Martinek, Thomas came to him very upset, saying that his brother, DP, had asked him to help him move something and afterwards he concluded that the container he helped DP move may have held Stacy's body. Thomas told Walter he was afraid of DP. It was the next day, Oct. 29, that Thomas made a suicide attempt. When Walter Martinek learned of Thomas suicide attempt, he immediately went to the state police and told them what Thomas had told him. That probably would have been October 30th.

There are a lot of things that have happened that point to the police having talked to Thomas and believing what he told them. According to media reports, LE placed an unmarked police car in Scott Rossetto's neighborhood that first week of November. When Tim Miller of Equasearch got to Bolingbrook to begin the search, he was told to look for a blue barrel or container, and searches were concentrated on water.

Walter Martinek said that Thomas had financial and family problems and that DP had promised to help him find a job. I can see where Thomas may have felt indebted to DP and wanted to ingratiate himself with DP in hope that DP would help him. I think Thomas helped DP without any knowledge of what he was helping with until the moment that he touched the blue container and it was warm to the touch. Walter Martinek says that was what made Thomas believe that he was helping to move a body.

We actually have very sketchy details of the three hours that Thomas spent with DP the evening of October 28th, from about 7:00pm to about 10:00pm. We know that DP picked Thomas up at a park and they went to a coffee shop. At some point DP excused himself, left his cell phone with Thomas and told him not to answer it. The phone did right while DP was gone and the caller ID said "Stacy." DP came back and took Thomas to his house where they went to the master bedroom and moved a blue rectangular container about 4 feet long. DP then took Thomas home.

Here's what I think happened. I think DP and Thomas talked over coffee, and DP told Thomas that Stacy had left him, that she had been having an affair with an old boyfriend, Scott Rossetto who lived in Shorewood, and had run off with him. He probably embellished the story with a lot of details. I think at some point DP told Thomas he had to run an errand and he'd be back shortly. He was still a police officer so he might have told Thomas he had to run over to the police station to sign some reports he had taken, or some sort of believable excuse. He left his cell phone with Thomas and told him if it rings, not to answer it. He might have told Thomas that Stacy has called a couple of times and he's ignoring her, playing hard to get. DP then drives to Shorewood and uses Stacy's cell phone to call his cell phone. The phone rings and Thomas sees that the caller ID says "Stacy." When DP returns they go over to the Peterson house to move the container. I think DP probably gave Thomas some sort of explanation for why the container was so heavy.

We have to look at this from the viewpoint of Thomas telling this story to the police. The police aren't going to accept this story without checking it out. They've got the cell phones and the computers from the Peterson home. They can easily check and see that a call was made from Stacy's cell phone to DP's during the time frame Thomas has given them. The police check out the coffee shop and employees can identify both DP and Thomas and say they were there Sunday evening, and that DP left for a while. The police also have phone calls on Stacy's phone to Scott Rossetto. The police also have a neighbor of the Peterson's telling them they saw DP and an unidentified man moving a blue barrel Sunday night. There's probably a lot more the police have done to verify Thomas story.

A reporter who went to Thomas house didn't find anyone home, but before leaving a woman pulled into the driveway and he spoke to her. She said that Thomas was in rehab. I believe that Thomas may be secured in a rehab center with police protection.

[wicket]

Am I correct in hearing somewhere that while Thomas was hospitalized after his 'overdose' or 'suicide attempt' that DP visited him? Heaven knows what DP told him -- might have scared him to death with threats. I am hoping that while working I'll see a flash on my computer that leads to a bulletin: they finally arrest DP. :loser: I'm hoping right now they are getting all their ducks in a row!

[SuziQ]

Am I correct in hearing somewhere that while Thomas was hospitalized after his 'overdose' or 'suicide attempt' that DP visited him? Heaven knows what DP told him -- might have scared him to death with threats. I am hoping that while working I'll see a flash on my computer that leads to a bulletin: they finally arrest DP. :loser: I'm hoping right now they are getting all their ducks in a row!

And that is what gets me. From Walter, we know how terrified Tom was of DB before the suicide/OD. And all the poor guy wanted was a job.

[Vegas Bride]

Am I correct in hearing somewhere that while Thomas was hospitalized after his 'overdose' or 'suicide attempt' that DP visited him? Heaven knows what DP told him -- might have scared him to death with threats. I am hoping that while working I'll see a flash on my computer that leads to a bulletin: they finally arrest DP. :loser: I'm hoping right now they are getting all their ducks in a row!

Wouldn't it have been wonderful if the police had a bug in his hospital room, oh if walls could talk!!

VB

[closeobserver]

After the last couple days, I have changed my view on what Morphey knew. I now believe that he quickly figured out what was going on while moving the barrel, but he had to play dumb in front of Drew. Drew probably would have killed Morphey, or some accidental hanging or overdose, would have happened, if Drew suspected Morphey knew.

Who knows, Drew may have had a hand in his near death a couple days later. I don't think Drew respected Morphey's life. Once he killed Savio, he was destined to do whatever it takes to prevent being caught, even if he had to murder additional people. After all, the penalty for two murders isn't that much greater than for one murder. Even more murders gives him the death penalty which is an easier way out for a cop than going to prison for life.

[SuziQ]

After the last couple days, I have changed my view on what Morphey knew. I now believe that he quickly figured out what was going on while moving the barrel, but he had to play dumb in front of Drew. Drew probably would have killed Morphey, or some accidental hanging or overdose, would have happened, if Drew suspected Morphey knew.

Who knows, Drew may have had a hand in his near death a couple days later. I don't think Drew respected Morphey's life. Once he killed Savio, he was destined to do whatever it takes to prevent being caught, even if he had to murder additional people. After all, the penalty for two murders isn't that much greater than for one murder. Even more murders gives him the death penalty which is an easier way out for a cop than going to prison for life.

There was no way Drew was going to let Tom live for long. Walter has claimed that Tom told him that if Drew could do this to his wife, he could do this to me. I will find and link the Today Show interview for this morning. But Walter said (paraphraising) that Tom felt if he killed himself, his family would be out of harms way. Because Drew was coming after him.

[tagalong]

http://video.nbc5.com/player/?id=190421

Today Show Interview

[curiositycat]

Thank you and everyone else who provides these excellent links. Sometimes it isn't easy for us older folks to find them. It is much appreciated!

http://video.nbc5.com/player/?id=190421

Today Show Interview

[SuziQ]

http://video.nbc5.com/player/?id=190421

Today Show Interview

Thank you very much! :blowkiss: I can't venture out into the blogosphere yet this morning. Coordinating with others on what to get who for xmas.

FYI, for copyright reasons, you need to snip down an article and link it. However, you posts are very much appreciated.

[SuziQ]

Thank you and everyone else who provides these excellent links. Sometimes it isn't easy for us older folks to find them. It is much appreciated!

I second that. Tagalong and other new posters are doing a great job aren't they?

[cheko1]

My only problem with Tom's story is how did he know it was Stacy who he carried out? According to his friend he seen him afterwards. Stacy wasn't listed as missing at that point. Maybe I never read or heard the article right.....????

I'm sure he did help Drew. No doubt in my mind. But......he tried to commit suicide the next day & I'm not so certain he never knew it was her all along & he helped Drew.

[tagalong]

I think Morphey is smarter than we give him credit for. DP told Tom that Stacy had left him just that day and Tom put 2 and 2 together. He already drew DP and "He can do anything". (& get by with it??)

[fran]

After seeing this video, I'm wonderin' that myself. I posted this on the news thread and # of bodies thread of this forum, but I think this needs to get everyone's attention.

What the heck is going on here?

YIKES!!!!!!!!
fran

Drew Peterson's attorney said Thomas Morphey's wife disappeared 10 years ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3557855n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml

[fundiva]

After seeing this video, I'm wonderin' that myself. I posted this on the news thread and # of bodies thread of this forum, but I think this needs to get everyone's attention.

What the heck is going on here?

YIKES!!!!!!!!
fran

Drew Peterson's attorney said Thomas Morphey's wife disappeared 10 years ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3557855n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml
I don't believe a word Drew's attorney says. Last night on Greta the attorney said Thomas Morphey had tried suicide "many" times in the past and was not reliable. While he was on TV saying that, Greta got an email from Thomas Morphey's sister who said that was a blatant lie. He had never tried suicide before. I'm not even sure they think this was a suicide attempt as opposed to an accidential overdoes. I'm thinking that he was on anti-depressant drugs and was so distraught after moving the container that he started drinking and it didn't mix with the anti-depressants well. I also think that Drew Peterson was hoping Morphey would go off the wagon and start talking crazy, so he could lay the blame on him at some point. Especially if Thomas' DNA was found on the container if Stacey was ever found.

[SuziQ]

After seeing this video, I'm wonderin' that myself. I posted this on the news thread and # of bodies thread of this forum, but I think this needs to get everyone's attention.

What the heck is going on here?

YIKES!!!!!!!!
fran

Drew Peterson's attorney said Thomas Morphey's wife disappeared 10 years ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3557855n&channel=/sections/earlyshow/videoplayer500202.shtml

Brodsky says no order of protection was taken out. Doesn't he ever read Websleuths????? Seriously though. Check out your clients background before you defend him?

[dee10134]

CROSS POST - BARREL NEWS:

"A friend of the relative of Drew Peterson who has said that he fears he helped the former Bolingbrook police sergeant dispose of Stacy Peterson's body is saying that Peterson paid for that assistance."

More at link: http://www.nbc5.com/news/14735158/detail.html?dl=mainclick

I will cross post this to the general discussion and the barrel threads.

[i.b.nora]

Drew Peterson's attorney said Thomas Morphey's wife disappeared 10 years ago.
I can't get the CBS videos to play on my system.
Could someone expand a little more on what Brodsky said?
Thanks - i.b.

[SuziQ]

CROSS POST - BARREL NEWS:

"A friend of the relative of Drew Peterson who has said that he fears he helped the former Bolingbrook police sergeant dispose of Stacy Peterson's body is saying that Peterson paid for that assistance."

More at link: http://www.nbc5.com/news/14735158/detail.html?dl=mainclick

I will cross post this to the general discussion and the barrel threads.

Actually in the Today Show interview with Walter, Merdith stated that Tom had gone to Walters house at a quarter to 10. But it wasn't stated AM or PM or Sunday or Monday. And Walter, IIRC, only said it was possible that Tom was paid for his help.

[fran]

I don't believe a word Drew's attorney says. Last night on Greta the attorney said Thomas Morphey had tried suicide "many" times in the past and was not reliable. While he was on TV saying that, Greta got an email from Thomas Morphey's sister who said that was a blatant lie. He had never tried suicide before. I'm not even sure they think this was a suicide attempt as opposed to an accidential overdoes. I'm thinking that he was on anti-depressant drugs and was so distraught after moving the container that he started drinking and it didn't mix with the anti-depressants well. I also think that Drew Peterson was hoping Morphey would go off the wagon and start talking crazy, so he could lay the blame on him at some point. Especially if Thomas' DNA was found on the container if Stacey was ever found.

I was thinking of contacting Greta to have her check this out as I too saw Greta last night and Thomas' sister refute his claims Thomas has attempted suicide multiliple times. As this info goes, I was even thinking she may have moved to a different town and Thomas probably knows full well where she is. Drew doesn't know where she is so he may have thought he could get away with his attorney throwing this spin out.

I also saw where Thomas' friend said he saw him at 10:00 and he'd been drinking. I was wondering if DP wasn't supplying him with the drink on purpose, to get to him.

I believe I read this morning somewhere? That Thomas' friend said the reason he attempted suicide was because then his family would be safe (from DP, I assume).

JMHO
fran

[SuziQ]

I can't get the CBS videos to play on my system.
Could someone expand a little more on what Brodsky said?
Thanks - i.b.

The same stuff he's been saying the last two days except he mentioned that Tom as three active warrants that he's not been arrested for and that he (Brodsky) found out yesterday that Tom's wife disappeared 10 years ago.

[dee10134]

The same stuff he's been saying the last two days except he mentioned that Tom has three active warrants that he's not been arrested for and that he (Brodsky) found out yesterday that Tom's wife disappeared 10 years ago.

Where is this information? I don't see it in my sources. I still don't know if I can post Morphy's arrest record? Can someone help me out and let me know if it's copastetic to do so?

[SuziQ]

Where is this information? I don't see it in my sources. I still don't know if I can post Morphy's arrest record? Can someone help me out and let me know if it's copastetic to do so?

PM the mods. I would say it's public record. And I think his record is his best defense against Drew and Brodsky at this point. Sheesh, I bet I'll never say that again about anyone with a rap sheet. How often does a rap sheet help someone?

[dee10134]

PM the mods. I would say it's public record. And I think his record is his best defense against Drew and Brodsky at this point. Sheesh, I bet I'll never say that again about anyone with a rap sheet. How often does a rap sheet help someone?

Well he's got a lot of domestic violence incidents on there and one DUI NOTHING like what Brodsky is trying to smear him with. I don't see ANY warrants there, but maybe there's something on there that I don't see or hasn't hit public record yet...

[dee10134]

There was also an order of protection filed 1-1-1993 against him by a Janet M. Burbank. I wonder if that was his wife?

ETA: it was filed at the DuPage County Clerk's office in Wheaton, IL.

[SuziQ]

Well he's got a lot of domestic violence incidents on there and one DUI NOTHING like what Brodsky is trying to smear him with. I don't see ANY warrants there, but maybe there's something on there that I don't see or hasn't hit public record yet...

Do you see his Wife's name on anything you have, so we can see if she's living, missing, dead?

[SuziQ]

There was also an order of protection filed 1-1-1993 against him by a Janet M. Burbank. I wonder if that was his wife?

ETA: it was filed at the DuPage County Clerk's office in Wheaton, IL.

You're quick, thanks!

[Leila]

My only problem with Tom's story is how did he know it was Stacy who he carried out? According to his friend he seen him afterwards. Stacy wasn't listed as missing at that point. Maybe I never read or heard the article right.....????

I'm sure he did help Drew. No doubt in my mind. But......he tried to commit suicide the next day & I'm not so certain he never knew it was her all along & he helped Drew.


I don't think it's been explained how TM knew it was Stacy in the box. But, back on page 6 I posted my opinion in detail. I think that during the time DP and TM were in the coffee shop that Sunday night, DP told Tm that Stacy had left him, had been having an affair with Scott Rossetto, had asked DP for a divorce, etc. Maybe DP even expressed anger about Stacy. So the subject of Stacy is on TM's mind. After picking up that container and the container feeling warm to the touch, he immediately thinks "a body" and remembers DP's story of Stacy leaving him and puts two and two together. The next day his suspicions are confirmed with the report that Stacy is missing and he attempts suicide.

[fran]

This may be why Thomas' friend was so emotional in his interview the other day. This is a guy who got in trouble years previously, has been trying to get his life together, just lost his job, and now he has a step-brother dragging him into his evil ways, trying to put suspicion on him and having his mouth-piece disparge him before the entire country!

IMO, DP will stop at NOTHING to get his way!

Where is Stacy, Drew?:furious:

fran

[SuziQ]

I wish we knew for sure what time Tom confessed to Walter. I tend to believe that it was immediately after Drew dropped him off. 11PMi ish on the 28th. So that would be before Stacy was reported missing. But other outlets have confused AM with PM

[fran]

I don't think it's been explained how TM knew it was Stacy in the box. But, back on page 6 I posted my opinion in detail. I think that during the time DP and TM were in the coffee shop that Sunday night, DP told Tm that Stacy had left him, had been having an affair with Scott Rossetto, had asked DP for a divorce, etc. Maybe DP even expressed anger about Stacy. So the subject of Stacy is on TM's mind. After picking up that container and the container feeling warm to the touch, he immediately thinks "a body" and remembers DP's story of Stacy leaving him and puts two and two together. The next day his suspicions are confirmed with the report that Stacy is missing and he attempts suicide.

Didn't DP say something to TM about helping to 'get rid of his problem?'

IMO, it was after moving the box, TM went home and THOUGHT about it, and realized what he just MAY have done.

I honestly feel sorry for him. He's been dragged into this by his 'evil' step-brother.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

I wish we knew for sure what time Tom confessed to Walter. I tend to believe that it was immediately after Drew dropped him off. 11PMi ish on the 28th. So that would be before Stacy was reported missing. But other outlets have confused AM with PM

Well, if anyone has a tv guide for that time period, it was during the 7th inning of a World Series game. IIRC, his friend said 10:00.

Does that help?

fran

[i.b.nora]

Peterson relative defended by friend (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_30_no2nov30,1,137061.story?track=rss&ctrack=1&cset=true)
Pal says relative was allegedly paid by cop
By Matthew Walberg and Erika Slife |Tribune staff reporters
November 30, 2007
This is a new article that answers or addresses alot of the most recent questions.
"Drew Peterson allegedly paid a relative to help him move a large rectangular container from a bedroom Oct. 28, the day that his wife, Stacy Peterson, disappeared from their Bolingbrook home, a friend of the relative said Thursday.

Walter Martineck, 40, of Bolingbrook, told the Tribune that on Oct. 29, Drew Peterson's relative tried to get rid of the money he said was payment for helping Drew Peterson remove the plastic tub. Drew Peterson's relative wanted to give it to Martineck, he said. Hours later, the relative allegedly tried to commit suicide, and Martineck said he went to the state police with his friend's story."

[dee10134]

Do you see his Wife's name on anything you have, so we can see if she's living, missing, dead?

Only Janet M Burbank's 1993 Order of Protection...

[SuziQ]

Only Janet M Burbank's 1993 Order of Protection...

And no missing person report on her that I can see. Is Brodsky spouting off more BS?

Ten years ago would have been 1997. See any marriage records?