Forgery Charges??

[WindChime]

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[Taximom]

Where was Thomas Morphey when Kathleen Savio was murdered?

[dee10134]

Who knows, but he obviously knew the family and they knew him:

"Melissa Doman, a niece of Kathleen Savio, told the AP she has met Morphey. Doman said the man worked for Drew Peterson and Kathleen Savio, managing a bar they once owned."As far as hospitalizations or suicide attempts, I've never heard of it," Doman said."

More at link: http://www.nbc5.com/news/14710779/detail.html?dl=mainclick

[DeltaDawn]

I really don't think that Thomas knows or had anything to do with Kathleen's murder.

[Littledeer]

DD:

I agree. I think with Kathleen, it was only DP and DP only!

She had so much written to verify what abuse she was going through with DP, that if Tom or any one else was hanging around DP, I would think that she would have mentioned it somewhere.

[SuziQ]

http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/peterson.missing.barrel.2.599133.html

(snip)
Cales says she asked Stacy what she thought about Savio's death. It was one of the last subjects the two sisters talked about.

"I said 'It's kind of weird that Kathleen Savio slipped and fell in a bathtub.' I said 'What do you think?'" Cales said. "She had this pale look on her face like she was scared. And that's when she leaned over and whispered in my ear, 'I'm scared for my life. If anything happens to me or I disappear I want you to find me.'"

[SuziQ]

Video to go with post#6
http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=37670@wbbm.dayport.com

[SuziQ]

In the above video it says both cars have tracking systems!

[DeltaDawn]

aH..SO the police know if Drew was playing tag with the cars on Sunday..which is what I think..Drew moved Stacy's car to and from where he wanted it to be..just like he did with her cellphone...Drew you did not get away with the perfect crime.

[Taximom]

Brodsky said tonight (Greta) the cars were there in the driveway, even when Cassandra said they weren't. He even discounted Sharon saying they weren't in the driveway. :loser: :liar:

[Taximom]

I didn't know until tonight that they had hired Cyril Wecht to review the original autopsy/coroner's report about Kathy's death. CW apparently agreed that "accidental" was correct, but only after reviewing those initial reports. :rolleyes:

Brodsky said this on Greta's show tonight.

[Schmerty_Jones]

How strange!!!!! Has he been paid????

[Taximom]

I'm pretty sure that's what Brodsky indicated, Schmerty. I wish Greta's show had transcripts.

[Taximom]

I didn't hear all of it, but I'm pretty sure Steve Carcerano indicated that there seem to be differences between how he found Kathleen vs. how she looked in the photographs LE took.

He said he wouldn't mind taking a look at those pictures because he remembers how he found her. I think he meant the position she was in.

Hopefully someone is watching the rerun of Greta's show from 11/29/07

[SuziQ]

Brodsky said tonight (Greta) the cars were there in the driveway, even when Cassandra said they weren't. He even discounted Sharon saying they weren't in the driveway. :loser: :liar:

And a poster at Greta sarcastically said (paraphraising), that Brodsky will refute the onboard tracking systems by saying "The cars are lying".

[Taximom]

And a poster at Greta sarcastically said (paraphraising), that Brodsky will refute the onboard tracking systems by saying "The cars are lying".

Yes, the satellites were not working that day. :p

[SuziQ]

Yes, the satellites were not working that day. :p

Or the cars drove themselves...

[DeltaDawn]

The thing about defense attorneys that is always a known fact..they don't have to tell the truth..they can make up whatever stories they want..especially when their client has not yet been charged. They are hired not only to dispute everything that the prosecution says..but to create doubt, it doesn't matter how they create that doubt. Witnesses are sworn in..but the defenses main objective is to create doubt about the prosecutions witnesses stories..that is exactly what Brodsky is trying to do..unsuccessfully I might add..his stories are as loony as Drew's. I don't think that will be any witnesses for the defense..therefore the defense can say whatever it likes...get the picture.

[SuziQ]

by Greta Van Susteren
[/URL] (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/29/eavesdrop-on-my-conversation-with-sgt-peterson-friend/2343/)
(http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/30/eavesdrop-on-this-conversation/2355/)
Wait to you hear what Dr. Cyril Wecht has to say about Wife #3’s death!! Sgt. Peterson’s lawyer says Dr. Wecht says wife #3’s death was an accident…..and that Dr. Wecht disagrees with Dr. Baden’s findings that it was a homicide. Is that really how Dr. Wecht sees it? We checked it out…you can eavesdrop on my conversation with Dr. Wecht….in other words, hear for yourself:
Click on the blue icon!

[URL]http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/30/eavesdrop-on-this-conversation/

[Taximom]

Ahhh, Wecht said the "cause" is drowning, but the manner is questionable. Brodsky's playing with words. Go figure.

[SuziQ]

Brodsky is a piece of work. Wecht states that the death should have been declaired undetermined and forwarded onto ISP for further investigation because many questions needed to be answered. And that it was forwarded on for further review and ie; the ball was dropped. He's not happy with ISP's response to date as to why that happened.

[fundiva]

I was listening to one of the TV programs today - sorry I don't remember which one - and one of the reporters were talking to the Stacy Peterson family spokesperson in front of Drew's house. She said something I had not heard before. They were talking about the clergy's statement that Stacey told him DP was responsible for Kathleen's death. The spokesperson said that was news to them, that Stacey had only ever told them that DP told her that Kathleen "was on medication" that caused her to slip and drown in the bathtub. That is the first time I have heard something say that Kathleen was also on "medication". I'm wondering if it was an anti-depressant also. It seems everyone that is around DP is on an anti-depressant!

[DeltaDawn]

I listened to that phone call earlier today SuziQ..and it sounds to me like Dr Wecht said that he would have classified the death as undetermined and turned it over to the police. Remember the medical examiner and coroner did not come up with the accidental death ruling..the coroner's jury did.
So listening to that conversation Brodsky is full of BS again.
See my earlier post..defense attorneys are notorious for their lying and making up stories ..they aren't the ones that have to show proof that anything they say is true..the prosecution has the burden of truth though. All the defense needs to do is cause doubt of the facts in the jury's mind..which is what Brodsky is trying to do. The man obviously is saying anything that flys into his head...kinda like Drew.

[Taximom]

I was listening to one of the TV programs today - sorry I don't remember which one - and one of the reporters were talking to the Stacy Peterson family spokesperson in front of Drew's house. She said something I had not heard before. They were talking about the clergy's statement that Stacey told him DP was responsible for Kathleen's death. The spokesperson said that was news to them, that Stacey had only ever told them that DP told her that Kathleen "was on medication" that caused her to slip and drown in the bathtub. That is the first time I have heard something say that Kathleen was also on "medication". I'm wondering if it was an anti-depressant also. It seems everyone that is around DP is on an anti-depressant!

I thought there weren't any substances like that in her blood.

What I never heard before was that :liar: "Drew said" :liar: that Kathleen had a history of cardiac problems. He supposedly told the emergency responders this! It has been reported that is not true at all, and her heart was in great condition according to the autopsy.

[DeltaDawn]

I was listening to one of the TV programs today - sorry I don't remember which one - and one of the reporters were talking to the Stacy Peterson family spokesperson in front of Drew's house. She said something I had not heard before. They were talking about the clergy's statement that Stacey told him DP was responsible for Kathleen's death. The spokesperson said that was news to them, that Stacey had only ever told them that DP told her that Kathleen "was on medication" that caused her to slip and drown in the bathtub. That is the first time I have heard something say that Kathleen was also on "medication". I'm wondering if it was an anti-depressant also. It seems everyone that is around DP is on an anti-depressant!


Interesting because according to Dr Wecht all the toxicology reports for drugs, alcohol, heavy metals even came back clean.. Hm..another Drew lie..remember he told the paramedics she had a bad heart..her heart was in perfect shape...
Drew how do you keep track of all the lies you tell..I think that is what is going to trip you up big time. Another lie exposed.

[Taximom]

(snipped)The man obviously is saying anything that flys into his head...kinda like Drew.

They make quite a pair. :slap:

[DeltaDawn]

OOPS Sorry TaxiMom , I am posting the exact same thoughts as yuo are at the same time.

[Taximom]

Interesting because according to Dr Wecht all the toxicology reports for drugs, alcohol, heavy metals even came back clean.. Hm..another Drew lie..remember he told the paramedics she had a bad heart..her heart was in perfect shape...
Drew how do you keep track of all the lies you tell..I think that is what is going to trip you up big time. Another lie exposed.

It's pretty bad when we can keep track of his lies better than he and his lawyer can!

[Taximom]

OOPS Sorry TaxiMom , I am posting the exact same thoughts as yuo are at the same time.

LOL and I'm singing DeltaDawn again! :dance:

[SuziQ]

Eavesdrop on Dr. Wecht!! What HE would have done in 2004 when wife #3 was found dead in a bathtub!! Click on the blue icon.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/30/eavesdrop-on-dr-wecht-no-accident-but%e2%80%a6-no-homicide/

[i.b.nora]

Okay, so she is going to get him a copy of the jury inquest and then see what he says about that.
Wecht seems to have a tendency to be a little flippant, seems to me.

[Taximom]

Is this more Wecht or the same phone call from this afternoon that we discussed earlier? Or maybe it posted to another thread?! lol

[i.b.nora]

I don't know. I didn't see one this afternoon. This Greta posting was at 11 PM her time.

[SuziQ]

It's a new Gretacast. Wecht says many things should have been done and many questions should have been asked. That's his biggest problem. What Wecht told Brodsky is that the circumstance were such that they should have been investigated in the manner Wecht described. (ie;further investigation, experiments and many many questions). Wecht does not know whether that was done or not. Wecht told Greta that looking at the autopsy report is NOT enough to tell him this was an accident. But that it is far far from being labled a homicide. He would have signed off as drowning and manner of death "undetermined". He would have called homicide detectives and told them what he would have liked to see done. He would have gone to the scene himself. Then he would have arrived at a conclusion. Greta will get the coroners jury transcripts to Wecht by Monday.

***
Once again, Brodsky is a liar.

[Taximom]

This isn't the same Gretacast as your post #19 above? Seems like the same comments from Wecht, but I haven't listened to the 2nd one.

[mysteriew]

I think they are the same gretacast.

The impression I got was that Wecht wouldn't lie. Though he tried very hard not to say the homicide word. Really tried not to say it. However he did admit that he would have called it undetermined. He also says that he would have called for more investigation. A far cry from Broksky who said or implied that Wecht said it was an accident.

Monday he is supposed to be back on Greta after looking at the coroner jury transcripts. That one should be good.

[SuziQ]

They are two different conversations, the first one ends when Wechts asks for more info on Kathleen Savio's death and the second is him commenting after he got that info.

[Tom'sGirl]

This isn't the same Gretacast as your post #19 above? Seems like the same comments from Wecht, but I haven't listened to the 2nd one.

I've only heard the one at GretaCast. Wecht also stated IIRC that he would also have gone to the site and investigated to see if the tub leaked water after a period of time, and also what a person could have stuck their head on if falling in that tub.

[SuziQ]

I've only heard the one at GretaCast. Wecht also stated IIRC that he would also have gone to the site and investigated to see if the tub leaked water after a period of time, and also what a person could have stuck their head on if falling in that tub.

But he also said while people do drown in tubs, it's not that common. He said that she was healthy, clear tox screen, only 40 years old. No obvious reason to drown. But that people have hit their head, been knocked unconcious and drowned before. Many more questions should have been asked.

[Taximom]

So Greta's staff faxed him the latest on the case...seems like he should have had that from Brodsky! :loser:

That is a different phone call. Sorry to question it, I just didn't want to listen to Wecht again if it was the same! ~cringing~

[i.b.nora]

Peterson has not been named a suspect in the death of Kathleen Savio. And, it has not yet been ruled a homicide, so Brodsky really has no right to any of those papers.

[Taximom]

You mean the autopsy and coroners report? I thought even the Savio's had that. Surely DrewP had copies. :silenced:

[i.b.nora]

No, we all have that. I mean the jury inquest papers, the pictures of the scene, the report by the "investigator". Those papers.

[SeriouslySearching]

Peterson has not been named a suspect in the death of Kathleen Savio. And, it has not yet been ruled a homicide, so Brodsky really has no right to any of those papers.Excellent point!

[chicoliving]

Jamie Colby is outside the home now and mentioned that she talked with the owners of Kathleen Saivo's old house (which is just down the street) and the bathtub is the same. So the tub is available for any investigation purposes. I know some of us were wondering if the tub was still available. It would help with any recreation of the scene since it doesn't seem much was done at the time.

[itsreenw]

I saw dp on tv with a vidcam horsing around with the reporters. IIRC, Kathleen reported that dp had broken into her home and stole her vidcam and Stacy was using it to record Kathleen's actions the day dp felt the need to put a police move on her in the front yard. I wonder if KP kept serial #s of such things and if the serial # was provided in any police reports.

If that is the camera she reported as stolen, that might substantiate her claims of him entering her home without permission.

[Angelray]

I saw dp on tv with a vidcam horsing around with the reporters. IIRC, Kathleen reported that dp had broken into her home and stole her vidcam and Stacy was using it to record Kathleen's actions the day dp felt the need to put a police move on her in the front yard. I wonder if KP kept serial #s of such things and if the serial # was provided in any police reports.

If that is the camera she reported as stolen, that might substantiate her claims of him entering her home without permission.

Think I read something about a set of rings being taken also. I wondered if that was not the set of rings he was suppose to have given Stacy for their anniversary.

[Vegas Bride]

I remember hearing that 1 of the news groups there had given DrewP the video cam for him to use, I believe it was abc. Did anyone else hear this?
About rings being taken from Kathleen, that doesn't surprise me at all, it fits in with him not wanting a woman who dares leave him having anything he'd given her. He also wouldn't have wanted her to have a video cam to possibly record him so it also makes sense he would have taken that.

I just want him locked up... please let it happen soon!!!!

VB

[lewielew]

he hand written a YEAR after kathleen's death HER WILL on paper witnessed by a fellow office (suprise?) and a builder..designating DP beneficiary, and back dated the WILL preceeding her death..

WHY HASNT THIS BEEN BEEN INVESTIGATED??

Please forward to proper authorities

Lew

[DeltaDawn]

he hand written a YEAR after kathleen's death HER WILL on paper witnessed by a fellow office (suprise?) and a builder..designating DP beneficiary, and back dated the WILL preceeding her death..

WHY HASNT THIS BEEN BEEN INVESTIGATED??

Please forward to proper authorities

Lew


Lew..are you saying that the will in Kathleen's case was written AFTER her death and then backdated TO LOOK LIKE IT PROCEDED HER DEATH?

Where did you get that info..from Cassandra..is this possibly part of what he had told Stacy or Stacy knew about this?

Is this the reason one of Drew's oldest sons does not speak with him? I had heard it was due to the way the money was split in the will and that the son felt it should have all gone to the children..is that true?

Do you have a link or sources for this that you can name?

[lewielew]

Lew..are you saying that the will in Kathleen's case was written AFTER her death and then backdated TO LOOK LIKE IT PROCEDED HER DEATH?

Where did you get that info..from Cassandra..is this possibly part of what he had told Stacy or Stacy knew about this?

Is this the reason one of Drew's oldest sons does not speak with him? I had heard it was due to the way the money was split in the will and that the son felt it should have all gone to the children..is that true?

Do you have a link or sources for this that you can name?

i believe i saw it on the other blogs-either findstacy or greta's-but try and google it?

[DeltaDawn]

Lew, Sorry spent a lot of this afternoon looking but can't find anything suggesting her will is back dated as you read and posted.

What is known is that Kathy's death certificate is misdated...which in itself could possibly invalidate that death certificate..but that investigation into her death is already ongoing..

DD

[lewielew]

Lew, Sorry spent a lot of this afternoon looking but can't find anything suggesting her will is back dated as you read and posted.

What is known is that Kathy's death certificate is misdated...which in itself could possibly invalidate that death certificate..but that investigation into her death is already ongoing..

DDsorry you put that much time into it-but i am 100% certain there were questions about it scribbled on paper and winessed by those guys.

HERE IS LINK:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/636553,4_1_JO06_MISSING_S2.article

[chicoliving]

We're gonna need links to the above material.

Remember copyright rules when posting snips of articles. Post about ten lines only and include the link. Everytime you copy/paste copyrighted material this rule applies.

Posts lacking a link will be deleted.

[Tom'sGirl]

Lew, Sorry spent a lot of this afternoon looking but can't find anything suggesting her will is back dated as you read and posted.

What is known is that Kathy's death certificate is misdated...which in itself could possibly invalidate that death certificate..but that investigation into her death is already ongoing..

DD

~SNIP

A will emerges

A year after Savio's death and the beginning of the legal proceedings to settle her affairs, a will emerged. It was submitted in court on March 23, 2005. Hand-written in capital letters, it was scrawled across two pieces of lined notebook paper and witnessed by Alex J. Morelli and Gary L. Marcolina.

A man named Alex Morelli is a Bolingbrook police officer, and Herald News archives show a man named Gary Marcolina is a developer in the Crest Hill area.

"This day March 2nd 1997 Drew Walter Peterson and Kathleen Savio Peterson, both being of sound body and mind, do hereby bequeath all of our worldly possessions to each other in the event of either of our individual deaths," begins the will filed with court documents.

If they died together, the couple wanted everything to go to certain people, among them Tom and Kris Peterson, their children, and Eric Drew Peterson and Stephen Paul Peterson, Drew Peterson's children from another relationship.

The will lists some of their assets:

~SNIPPED

http://tinyurl.com/2d8g7r

[DeltaDawn]

~SNIP

A will emerges

A year after Savio's death and the beginning of the legal proceedings to settle her affairs, a will emerged. It was submitted in court on March 23, 2005. Hand-written in capital letters, it was scrawled across two pieces of lined notebook paper and witnessed by Alex J. Morelli and Gary L. Marcolina.

A man named Alex Morelli is a Bolingbrook police officer, and Herald News archives show a man named Gary Marcolina is a developer in the Crest Hill area.

"This day March 2nd 1997 Drew Walter Peterson and Kathleen Savio Peterson, both being of sound body and mind, do hereby bequeath all of our worldly possessions to each other in the event of either of our individual deaths," begins the will filed with court documents.

If they died together, the couple wanted everything to go to certain people, among them Tom and Kris Peterson, their children, and Eric Drew Peterson and Stephen Paul Peterson, Drew Peterson's children from another relationship.

The will lists some of their assets:

~SNIPPED

http://tinyurl.com/2d8g7r (http://tinyurl.com/2d8g7r)

So TG,

Do you think this will was a forgery? It appears a year later, but is that within the timeframe this normally would have gone to court..or was this a sudden appearance..that no one other then Drew and cohorts knew of until then?

[Tom'sGirl]

So TG,

Do you think this will was a forgery? It appears a year later, but is that within the timeframe this normally would have gone to court..or was this a sudden appearance..that no one other then Drew and cohorts knew of until then?


I have no idea if it was forged or not. It could have have written/printed under duress at some point in time and then later DP talked others into witnessing it and etc.

[DeltaDawn]

I have no idea if it was forged or not. It could have have written/printed under duress at some point in time and then later DP talked others into witnessing it and etc.

This would open up a whole new area..

One of the signatures on the Will belongs to a developer that may have been lining the pockets of the mayor. When I checked on the mayor his campaign war chest seems to hold lots of contributions from the land developers in the area. And I can't forget Ric Mims comment that the mayor was like an uncle to him, from a Greta Cast. So the mayor probably was good friends with DP as well as Ric Mims and certain developers.

Interesting...because I had totally missed the 1 year later on the will emerging ..I know I read those articles.

Thank you..Lews and TG

So more checking required but ..this is definitely possible then.

[lewielew]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/636553,4_1_JO06_MISSING_S2.article

[mysteriew]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/636553,4_1_JO06_MISSING_S2.article

I don't understand where the question of a forgery comes up. It looks to me like Drew P and Kathleen wrote the will up during their marriage. And she didn't update it after the divorce. She did remember to change the beneficiaries on her insurance however. It would be interesting to find out who found the will, when it was found and who submitted it to the court.

Will written 3-2-1997
Divorce 2003
Kathleen's death 3-2004
Will submitted to the court 3-23-2005

[i.b.nora]

I wonder if by any chance the handwriting on the envelope of the 'stacy sighting'
letter from Peoria might match the handwriting on the Will. ?

[Schmerty_Jones]

A mere coincidence,mi lady??:waitasec: