PA-Gina Bobbing-Mormando, 32, Fairless Hills Bucks County,11/28/07

[opme]

Mother Of 3 Disappears After Fender-Bender


It has been five days since her disappearance and there has been no sign of her or the vehicle, a 2006 metallic green Chrysler Town and Country minivan, with Pennsylvania license plate GMD 8191.

Bobbing-Mormando is about 5 feet 5 inches tall, weighs about 100 pounds and has blond hair and blue eyes. She also has a Winnie the Pooh tattoo on her lower back.
Detectives are asking anyone who might have seen Bobbing-Mormando or the van, or has any information about where she might be to call them at 215-785-4040

http://www.nbc10.com/news/14764052/detail.html?dl=headlineclick

Apparently, she was involved in a fenderbender that day after visting the Social Security office.. there was no police called to the scene of the accident but the insurance comapny was contacted by the other driver. The family only learned of the accident when the insurance company contacted them regarding the claim by the other driver.
I hope she is located soon.. she has 3 small children at home who are missing their mother dearly.

[opme]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-12042007-1450692.html

more info involved at the link above...

She was wearing a white fleece sweatshirt, jeans, sneakers, eyeglasses and was carrying a Winnie the Pooh bag. She has a Winnie the Pooh tattoo on her lower back, Mormando said.

She had no enemies and “everything seemed fine” when the couple last talked. She also rarely spends more than a few hours away from her children, a 5-year-old girl, a 3-year-old boy and an 11-month-old boy, relatives said Monday.

However, someone accessed her voice mail four times Thursday morning during a six-minute period after Bobbing-Mormando went missing, Mormando said police told him. Since then, her phone has either been turned off or died from lack of power, Mormando said police told him.

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Her family has contacted area hosptials and coroners offices to see if there is anyone matching her descritpion that has been brought in but have had no luck so far.
police are activley investigating her as a missing person.. they are looking at bank records, interviewing friends and family. They are also tracing the tower her phone pinged off the last time her phone was used..

[TGIRecovered]

Very Strange that she would call her hubby just to say hello, but not call him at a when she had the minor accident.

Susan

[reb]

OK... I was JUST reading about Amber Wilde who also disappeared after a minor accident. What is going on here?? Is there a vast conspiracy out there of killers who are hitting young women in their cars, so they can rape/murder them? or maybe this is an afterthought, after the accident?
Where I used to live there was a trend we heard about where men would hit young womens' cars in a remote area just so they can do something bad to them. (In the encyclopedia of 'Evil things Psycho Men Do'-- also see 'Men who masquerade as cops in order to rape/kill women'). I don't know of any specific cases but at the time the rumor was going around and it made me really paranoid (or, at least more aware) about being in a remote area and having a car behind me. I always tried to stay WAY ahead of them and not let them get too close. Anyway... these cases are so similar, it seems like that could be the case. Doesn't it seem like too much of a coincidence for the 2 things (fender bender- disappearance) not to be connected?

[dimples37398]

Yes I seem to remember a few cases where the women disappeared soon after if not the same day as a minor accident that wasn't reported or whatever.

Somebody help me out with the names of those missing women..

wasn't Mahalia Xiong one of them....not sure if I have that name right completely.

Then there was another one soon before her I think.

Kel

[CrimeHater]

I thought maybe she just took off. It seems unlikely to the family but that was my first thought (not that it means anything). I just thought maybe she was stressed and then that happened (the fender bender).

[reb]

well... leah roberts did,, although i wasn't really thinking about her, because i feel like she had that accident on her own... however she still may have been picked up by a psycho afterwards, if she was walking to get help.
i'm sure someone else on here can think of some cases.

but i also wonder if those cases where women AND their vehicles disappear don't have some connection with this sort of thing (what i described in my last post). what about audrey herron...?

[LisainWV]

They should have the name of the other person involved in the fender bender if he or she is the one who contacted the insurance company. And, if that person was intent on doing harm to her, why would they call the insurance company?

[kentuckybound]

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http://www.nbc10.com/news/14777730/detail.html


Police said the body of a Bucks County mother who went missing last week was found in the green minivan belonging on Wednesday morning.

Police confirmed that they found 32-year-old Gina Marie Bobbing-Mormando's body inside her minivan, and said they found no signs of foul play. Based on evidence found inside the vehicle, detectives said they are not ruling out suicide.

Bobbing-Mormando vanished last week following a fender-bender in Fairless Hills.
Investigators found her dead inside her vehicle that was parked in a tavern parking lot a half mile from where she was involved in a minor crash last week on Route 1.

According to detectives, they received a tip call at about 3:30 a.m. on Wednesday, urging police to check a parking lot near Puss N Boots Tavern.

[kahskye]

My gosh, I can't imagine her committing suicide over a fender bender. Did she have a history of depression? Also what about someone attempting four times to access her voicemail on her cell phone during a mysterious six-minute interval? How sad for her three children.

[luthersmama]

They should have the name of the other person involved in the fender bender if he or she is the one who contacted the insurance company. And, if that person was intent on doing harm to her, why would they call the insurance company?


They have talked to him and he says she was fine. He doesn't seem to be suspected of anything at this point.

I wonder if there was a carbon monoxide leak caused by the accident or something.

But who was using her cellphone on Thursday?

Very odd.

[Taximom]

myspace blog entry about Gina by a friend:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=46242762&blogID=334621694

Gina's myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=71761914

Help Find Gina myspace page: :(
http://www.myspace.com/helpusfindgina

[reb]

oh no. well, i'm sure an autopsy will answer a lot of these questions. it sounds like maybe they will find some medical reason for this. RIP.

[luthersmama]

Three kids under the age of five and going to nursing school?

Sounds like post partum depression amplified by seasonal depression to me. I'm guessing she didn't let anyone know how miserable she felt. :(

[AmandaBrown23]

I have 3 kids under age 8 and going to nursing school so if she was stressed I can surely relate.

[Melisinde]

I'm so sad that this search didn't end better. I was going to take the day off from work yesterday to join in the search efforts. It's weird too because I drive past the Puss 'n' Boots tavern every day.

I think back to last summer when I gave a speech about the epidemic of missing adults in America (at the Bristol campus of Bucks County Community College- again, not that far from the Puss 'n' Boots tavern.) People in my effective speaking class thought it was strange and that it didn't really happen... :(

[reb]

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-12062007-1451836.html

now saying it was most likely suicide. RIP & condolences.

[CrimeHater]

I think the police may be jumping ahead! Until they know for sure calling it a suicide is really wrong! I mean how do we know she wasn't feeling well and laid down and didn't wake back up. She could have had an anurism or heart attack... who knows!
Also I still wonder about her checking her voice mail. Maybe she laid down to rest a minute and wanted to check and see if anyone had been trying to get a hold of her.
Of course it could totally be suicide, I just don't agree with saying that until you have the results of the toxoloigy back.

[audrey77]

I think the police may be jumping ahead! Until they know for sure calling it a suicide is really wrong! I mean how do we know she wasn't feeling well and laid down and didn't wake back up. She could have had an anurism or heart attack... who knows!
Also I still wonder about her checking her voice mail. Maybe she laid down to rest a minute and wanted to check and see if anyone had been trying to get a hold of her.
Of course it could totally be suicide, I just don't agree with saying that until you have the results of the toxoloigy back.

I live in the town that she was found...

The Falls TWP Police are usually tight lipped about most things (as they should), and the Bucks County Courier Times (Phillyburbs.com- article referenced) is notoriously biased and incorrect in their reporting.

I tend to believe the police before anything from the BCCT... There are a lot of things that led up to their suspicion. Things that are NOT being reported. The rest is speculation.

[luthersmama]

I assume that they found other indications of suicide, like an empty prescription drug container or something. Or information from the family that she was depressed or whatever.

[Filly]

What got me is that Gina took out that $20.00, and purchased soda. Just me, but if you were contemplating suicide why would you take out a $20.00 from the ATM, and why soda? My heart broke seeing her mom on the news. Poor lady. Hey, Audrey. My grandmom lives in Bristol near the police station. Just wanted to say hello. My hunch is they know exactly what happened and by all accounts them cops said all they are going to say. Prayers for Gina's family.

[Taximom]

We have a case here where the Dr/Husband put something in his wife's vitamin capsules that ended up killing her as she was driving around town.

This just sounds so fishy. I hope her friends and family are fighting for what they believe.

[Taximom]

Filly, if she did commit suicide maybe she needed the soda to take the pills? Not sure about the $20 but that's the lowest denomination you can get from an ATM around here.

[Filly]

Filly, if she did commit suicide maybe she needed the soda to take the pills? Not sure about the $20 but that's the lowest denomination you can get from an ATM around here.

That's a thought, TM. I'd want to know if she purchased the soda with seperate money than the $20.00. Also, what caused the accident. Why was she going to the Social Security building? This lovely young lady knew her kids were in good hands with her mom. It's a really tough call as said. I just feel so bad for her. Feels so bad for her family.

[CrimeHater]

If she did commit suicide she could have just snapped after the fender bender. That could have been the straw that broke the camel's back.
Has anyone heard how the family is reacting and if they have any objectives?

[luthersmama]

That's a thought, TM. I'd want to know if she purchased the soda with seperate money than the $20.00. Also, what caused the accident. Why was she going to the Social Security building? This lovely young lady knew her kids were in good hands with her mom. It's a really tough call as said. I just feel so bad for her. Feels so bad for her family.

She was going to the SS building to change her SS records to her new married name, according to a poster on the newspaper website. Although she had been married to this guy for a few years, her SS records were not changed yet.

[Filly]

She was going to the SS building to change her SS records to her new married name, according to a poster on the newspaper website. Although she had been married to this guy for a few years, her SS records were not changed yet.

That's weird, LM. One of the articles said the ATM the store was in was across from her apartment. They said Croydon. I wonder if it was Croydon or Levittown? I know the media mixes up Philly hoods all the time so that may be the case. It also said she took a year off from school to care for her youngest child. So, running an errand. Stop to get soda and a few bucks. Have a fender bender. Never make it to the SS building and are in your back seat of your car in the back lot of a bar? Stuff we do every single day and then the poor woman winds up deceased. It's so sad. So very sad.

[audrey77]

Nothing in the media at all... which I am thankful for... It was a huge story here.

I got my name changed at that SS office. There's an T intersection near it, with a light... People always speed down it- it goes straight to the Croyden/Trevose area. There is a gas station at the other corner. Close by, there is a shopping center, an Eckerds. Near the bar, there's a Wachovia Bank and a convenience store.

I know last year, with a small child, something small happened, and I almost snapped. I got help, but could totally understand how a small fender bender could cause the outcome that the police suspect. Totally believable.

The bar is in a quiet area. A neighborhood backs up to it.

[luthersmama]

That's weird, LM. One of the articles said the ATM the store was in was across from her apartment. They said Croydon. I wonder if it was Croydon or Levittown? I know the media mixes up Philly hoods all the time so that may be the case. It also said she took a year off from school to care for her youngest child. So, running an errand. Stop to get soda and a few bucks. Have a fender bender. Never make it to the SS building and are in your back seat of your car in the back lot of a bar? Stuff we do every single day and then the poor woman winds up deceased. It's so sad. So very sad.

I didn't change my SS records for years and years. Finally, after 9/11, the IRS cracked the whip and I had to.

Here's the stupid part: You can't use a passport to prove to SS who you are. You have to have a birth certificate and at least one other ID, but not a passport.

[thawk]

the statements already made by police and other officials so early in the investigation should've never been made. discounting foul play and making statements indicating suicide were all premature and long before all test results could be completed by testing lab. as we all know police make mistakes, lie and do stupid things - even under oath. pathologists make mistakes, lie, can be incompetent etc. don't trust anyone unless there's a separate/impartial investigation and independent autopsy. the fact that rookie police called it a suicide so quickly and without a complete investigation is unprofessional in my opinion. how much time did they put into the investigation after Gina was found and how many people did they interview before they made a determination of suicide and not foul play?
in the recent/national peterson case - wife #3, 2004 - the police and pathologist called her death an accidental drowning. we now know that was total incompetence on the part of the cops and pathologist.
Calling suspicious deaths suicides means a lot less work for cops and others if they get away with it. who's looking over the cops' shoulders?

i grieve with the family even though I don't know them and haven't lived in bucks county in many years.

[audrey77]

the statements already made by police and other officials so early in the investigation should've never been made. discounting foul play and making statements indicating suicide were all premature and long before all test results could be completed by testing lab. as we all know police make mistakes, lie and do stupid things - even under oath. pathologists make mistakes, lie, can be incompetent etc. don't trust anyone unless there's a separate/impartial investigation and independent autopsy. the fact that rookie police called it a suicide so quickly and without a complete investigation is unprofessional in my opinion. how much time did they put into the investigation after Gina was found and how many people did they interview before they made a determination of suicide and not foul play?
in the recent/national peterson case - wife #3, 2004 - the police and pathologist called her death an accidental drowning. we now know that was total incompetence on the part of the cops and pathologist.
Calling suspicious deaths suicides means a lot less work for cops and others if they get away with it. who's looking over the cops' shoulders?

i grieve with the family even though I don't know them and haven't lived in bucks county in many years.

Welcome to the board... did you register just to post this?

Not all cops are bad cops. The majority of cops are not bad cops. And the case that you referenced, it was the ME that made the determination... not the police.

Again, posters are eluding to what the paper is reporting. May not be entirely accurate.

Anyways, let them do their job. The ME office is a "check and balance".

[thawk]

"Welcome to the board... did you register just to post this?" - audrey77

is this the way audrey77 welcomes all newcomers?
to question if they registered "just to post this."

i hope audrey77 isn't the head of the welcoming committee.

this was my first post. i joined through a reference in the local paper's blog. now that I see what this site is all about perhaps i'll comment on other cases that i'm familiar with. is that ok with audrey77.

your unprofessional comment to a newcomer is uncalled for.

i didn't say that all or a even a majority of cops are bad cops. i did say that the m.e. and the cops made premature and unprofessional statements in this particular case and in other cases they do stupid things and lie.

you've twisted the words in my first post to state something i didn't post.

be well,

[audrey77]

Just curious. I see that your two posts are in this thread. I think you read into my thread too much. There are people of all backgrounds here in law enforcement, citizens, etc. Sometimes, folks come on here to post on the board under a name and never came back.

I thought your post overgeneralized and bashed all police officers. Especially this quote:
as we all know police make mistakes, lie and do stupid things - even under oath. pathologists make mistakes, lie, can be incompetent etc. don't trust anyone unless there's a separate/impartial investigation and independent autopsy. the fact that rookie police called it a suicide so quickly and without a complete investigation is unprofessional in my opinion.

Where did you read that they were rookie cops? I live in the township. They're actually very good. Do you live here?

Anyways, welcome. There are some other interesting threads on this board to become involved in. I suggest you join in.

[Taximom]

Welcome, thawk. I agree with your statement. I don't think your post overgeneralized at all, nor did it bash all police officers.

Even if there was a gun in her hand and a wound in her head, not one of those officers on scene can say for sure that it was a suicide.

Has there been anything lately in the media?

Like audrey77 said, there are a lot of great threads around, so hop in!

[audrey77]

Nothing yet in the media....

Even if there was a gun in her hand and a wound in her head, not one of those officers on scene can say for sure that it was a suicide.
Or (I hate to say it) a bag over her head, or... there are a lot of things. But my point in all of this is... let the police do their jobs. They have been trained. Please don't give them a hard time by what the media is reporting. The majority of police are not bad... And if we have to resort to having independent investigators, well... many of the qualified candidates would be made up of ex-cops and consultants for LE agencies and prosecutors' offices! LOL

[thawk]

audrey77 and taximom,
thank you for your replies, comments and kind words.

re the "rookie" comment - i use this as a term of endearment to any new cop who doesn't have the experience of the seasoned cop.
even though the police and m.e. were quoted as saying they've ruled out foul play and it was most likely suicide - within 24 hours of finding Gina's body - this is what concerned me.
i should also say that i have close family who represent the lowest and highest levels of law enforcement in the land and close, long term friends who are also in l.e. at many different levels. yet i still feel we're living in a police state in the usa. i also want to see my family and friends do their best in l.e.
and to answer your question re my residency - my roots are in bucks county and i still have family and friends there.

i hope there's a reliable finding to the fate for Gina for the sake of her family and friends - i've taken this personally even though i didn't know Gina personally.
no one will ever understand the feeling of losing a loved one under questionable circumstances until it happens to you. :~(((((((((

all of the best to the good cops out there who are working on this case -
give them the strength to make sure no stone goes unturned in their search for the cause of Gina's passing.

be well,
thawk

[thawk]

another report from today's bucks county courier times re Gina and her family at:

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-12212007-1460186.html

[Bobbisangel]

I wonder what they found that makes them think that she committed suicide?
It's odd that right after the accident she would pull into the back of a bar...get into the back of her van and lay down. Didn't anyone notice a strange vehicle parked back there for quite a while? She must have taken something. According to her family this would be totally out of character for her to commit suicide. If she was depressed she must have hidden it well from everyone. What a sad thing for her, her husband, the babies, and her family.

[thawk]

"It's odd that right after the accident she would pull into the back of a bar...get into the back of her van and lay down." - bobbisangel

bobbisangel,
i'm not sure if that's been determined yet.
when did the van first appear in the back of the bar?
how far did the van travel after the accident?
where did the van go after the accident?
how did Gina up in the back seat of the van?
what was the actual time of death?
what was the actual cause of death?
the answers to all of these questions and others will need to be answered before this case can be considered closed - imho.

if the authorities assumed a suicide from the time Gina was found then this tells me they won't be doing their best to determine exactly what happened.

an independent investigation/autopsy will be necessary and should have been happening already.

while i don't know the background/track records/experience of the depts. or the individual investigators - they made a huge mistake when they assumed it was a suicide from the get-go and let the reporters know what they thought.

l.e. jobs are no different than any other job. if someone isn't looking over their shoulder they slack-off, and make dumb mistakes. this is simply human nature. they aren't super humans, they aren't gods - this is just the facts.

[reb]

i still don't get it either. OK, so she laid down in the back of the van and died, therefore she must have committed suicide...?? but where is the evidence?? i had just assumed earlier they must have found evidence. but now there doesn't seem to be any (unless they're not saying). how do they know it wasn't a heart defect, or anyeurism, or any other number of sudden physical abnormalities? something could have been triggered by the stress of the fender bender.
if it was suicide,, i wonder if there were any marital problems that led to depression...? (not that it's anyone else's business...)

[thawk]

"how do they know it wasn't a heart defect, or anyeurism, or any other number of sudden physical abnormalities?" - reb

they didn't know when they made the premature statement of suicide soon after Gina was found.
they didn't know at that time if someone might've injected her with something that could be overlooked if the pathologist has already been influenced by investigators assumptions.
even if they found an object used in suicides it still doesn't mean it was a suicide.

[reb]

so,, i'm confused.. was an actual autopsy done, or not?

[thawk]

the news reports said complete autopsy reports would take between 6 to 8 weeks from the time Gina was found - i.e toxicology.
not sure when the physical autopsy was done - if done. i didn't see anything in the news reports about this.
it seems the officials stoppped issuing public statements when some folks questioned the early and premature statement of suicide.

[audrey77]

Woman found in van died of hypothermia

By MATT COUGHLIN and BEN FINLEY
Bucks County Courier Times

A Bristol Township mother of three died of hypothermia last month while laying in her minivan in the parking lot of a Falls bar, according to the Bucks County Coroner.

...
Initial speculation centered on a possible suicide attempt after an unidentified bottle of medication was found in the minivan, however, Bucks County Coroner Joseph Campbell declined to rule on a cause and manner of death until after toxicology tests were completed.
....
Campbell said Wednesday that he ruled Bobbing-Mormando had died accidentally of hypothermia with a secondary cause of drug intoxication.

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A medical examiner determined that the amount of drugs in Bobbing-Mormando's system was not enough to cause her death. And there were no undigested pill capsules in her stomach, which often indicate a suicide or drug overdose, Campbell said.
click here

However, the drugs she had in her system, a barbiturate that was prescribed to her, Tylenol and Benadryl, sedated her to the point that her judgment was impaired and she passed out. Campbell had earlier said there was no evidence to suggest her death was suspicious and there were no signs of trauma.
More at link (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-01312008-1480269.html)

[thawk]

TOTAL INCOMPETENCE ON PART OF POLICE and others.

from the start, I stated and felt the cops and medical examiner made a huge mistake by calling it a suicide or even using the word suicide so soon after Gina's body was found. the investigation was an exercise in incompetence, shoddy police and medical examiner work and actions. i hope the people of the region keep a close eye on these rookies. their incompetence will most likely show itself again. the next time this type of tragedy happens you can bet they won't be too quick to call it something it isn't. this story is not over yet. the investigation should be taken away from the current cast of characters and given to a gov't agency that's competent. i feel sorry for those who depend on the police to do a good job - it's evident they didn't in this case. my heartfelt sympathy to the family of Gina.

[docwho3]

TOTAL INCOMPETENCE ON PART OF POLICE and others. . . . That seems a bit harsh. Perhaps waiting for tox results would have been wiser but we weren't there when the questions were put to L.E.

I suppose that when the body was found the reporters may well have went into frenzy mode with asking if foul play was involved etc or if it was suicide and so forth. Did L.E. make a mistake? It would seem so but I dont think that makes them guilty of "total incompetence" as you put it.

After all they found a body with a pill bottle. How many times have police found suicides in a vehicle with a pill bottle nearby where it really was suicide? Going by the many cases I have seen on WS I would say quite a few.

And the article linked in a previous post said,". . .While officials suspect suicide pending toxicology results in the coming weeks. . ." So they had only suspected suicide but were waiting on the tox results and of course those results did not support what was first suspected. I am unclear how you translate that into "total incompetence". It seems reasonable for them to suspect what they did and reasonable for them to have waited on the tox results to be certain, which they did. Perhaps it would have been kinder to her family not to tell reporters what was suspected and perhaps they have learned from this case.

[scotthongkong]

God bless Gina!

[thawk]

[quote=docwho3;1993052]That seems a bit harsh. Perhaps waiting for tox results would have been wiser. . . ." - docwho3

What I see as harsh is the way the police and m.e. took the attitude of suicide from the get-go. by doing this it meant less work for them. if there could've been the possibility of solving this tragedy (i.e., if it was caused by a murderer) - then wasting all of this time - since Gina's body was found - severely hampers a thorough investigation. it becomes a cold trail.

"Going by the many cases I have seen on WS I would say quite a few." - docwho3

each case should be approached as an isolated case. just because there's a pill bottle in the vehicle, and/or some pills shrewn about - doesn't mean a thing to me. a bottle or pills can be planted by anyone who's bent on throwing off an investigation.

thanks for your comments,
t.hawk

[docwho3]

(Note: Thank you for your care in responding even though we disagree.)

. . .What I see as harsh is the way the police and m.e. took the attitude of suicide from the get-go. by doing this it meant less work for them. . . I do not agree with your assumption that their actions and decisions were based on a desire to do less work.

. . .if there could've been the possibility of solving this tragedy (i.e., if it was caused by a murderer) - then wasting all of this time - since Gina's body was found - severely hampers a thorough investigation. it becomes a cold trail. . . There was no evidence of murder and the ME report came back that the death was not foul play but rather an unfortunate combination of things.


. . .each case should be approached as an isolated case. . . . Every investigator will bring to bear their past learning experience to every case and this is not a bad thing. In this case they still awaited the scientific tox results before pronouncing any final say. In that way they did in fact treat this case based on the facts in the end. The fact that their experience with suicide cases caused them to suspect that as a case outcome did not sway them from waiting on the scientific evidence and so again I do not see any gross negligence here. Nor did I read any words in news reports saying they failed to consider the possibility of foul play when looking for her before she was found dead. We simply are not privy to all the investigation details.

In the end they came to the truth of the matter, that she took certain meds (which were found to be in her system) and those meds evidently made her fall asleep and hypothermia got her, a very tragic thing. . . . .but not a murder. . . . . . . .and not a botched investigation as far as I can see. That's my opinion.

I guess we may just disagree on this one.

[thawk]

WB Group and the good people of Bucks and Bristol,

Many mistakes, many bad calls. If it can happen there it can happen anywhere.

Government agencies and the numerous layers of police and law enforcement have poor track records when it comes to communications between depts.

There's no accountability.
There's no quality assurance.

They're all in competition with one another. They supervise themselves and they think they don't have to report to anyone.

How many questionable cases have been determined without a complete, thorough investigation and passed off as an accident, suicide or overdose? Especially when police or other public servants have been directly involved.

e.g., -
"Drew Peterson's 3rd Wife Murdered by Drowning, New Autopsy Reveals"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331816,00.html

I'm sure that the Peterson and Gina's case and the many public comments that've followed them will influence investigators in many future cases - i.e., if they're listening and reading.

Calling an untimely death a suicide (accident or overdose) within 24 hours of discovery of a body is a huge mistake and shows the incompetence of the investigators and their supervisors.

There have been many unattended deaths that begged for an autopsie and it was never done (most likely in violation of the law).

R.I.P. Gina and all of the others.