Container - NOT Barrel

[SieSie]

From Windchime's Post (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1849838&postcount=296) in the Blue Barrel in Bedroom #3 thread...

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Rick Mims, Peterson's long-time friend, told a grand jury last week that he and Peterson bought three such containers for about $100 from AmeriCable, where they both worked part-time in 2003, according to a source close to the investigation. Peterson put two of the containers on a shelf in his garage, but after Stacy vanished, so did the containers, Mims testified.

Source for picture and quote: ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3993648)


So, now we know there are 2 "containers" missing, and we know that they are square, not round. How big do you think these are? They look awfully small to me.

I'm surprised that Drew would need Morphey's help moving it - what could've made it so heavy? There's no way Stacy's body could fit in it, is there??

How do you all think this plays into the case in regards to the barrel? There was still a barrel - Stacy's sister saw it and Stacy told her it was chlorine.

The barrel I'm thinking was plastic - these containers don't appear to be plastic, does anyone know what it's made out of?

[kpass]

From Windchime's Post (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1849838&postcount=296) in the Blue Barrel in Bedroom #3 thread...

http://i5.tinypic.com/6x9znyp.jpg


Source for picture and quote: ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=3993648)


So, now we know there are 2 "containers" missing, and we know that they are square, not round. How big do you think these are? They look awfully small to me.

I'm surprised that Drew would need Morphey's help moving it - what could've made it so heavy? There's no way Stacy's body could fit in it, is there??

How do you all think this plays into the case in regards to the barrel? There was still a barrel - Stacy's sister saw it and Stacy told her it was chlorine.

The barrel I'm thinking was plastic - these containers don't appear to be plastic, does anyone know what it's made out of?

This is baffling to me because of the fact they found "blue plastic shavings" in DP's Dinali...WHERE did that come from then??? I believe he used the barrel to dump her body & maybe these containers were used to get rid of other evidence, cell phone, etc...

[SieSie]

This is baffling to me because of the fact they found "blue plastic shavings" in DP's Dinali...WHERE did that come from then??? I believe he used the barrel to dump her body & maybe these containers were used to get rid of other evidence, cell phone, etc...
Could be. It would be easy to tie something to the handles on these containers to weight them down, too. It is baffling, isn't it?!

I'm confused as to which one Morphey helped move - the square container or the round barrel that Stacy's sister saw? I could see needing help with a big awkward round barrel - but not these square containers with handles - they don't seem big enough to be that heavy that you would need help moving it. Questions, questions, questions!!! :doh:

[Tom'sGirl]

So, now we know there are 2 "containers" missing, and we know that they are square, not round. How big do you think these are? They look awfully small to me.

You can get a better perspective of size comparing it the chair near it in photo thread.

If they were on a shelf as RM said they don't sound like they could have been all that large.

[Lisabet]

OK. I just went out in the garage and looked at our barrells again. They are blue, and they both have removable ("snap down") tops. One is dry powder chlorine, from which we use a cup to take the amount we want to add to the pool. The other is empty now except for a few plastic wrapped chlorine 'tabs' that we leave floating in the pool at all times. Neither has a spiggot or faucet. The gross weight of each barrell is 70 pounds (of chlorine, that is) and that is plenty to last us for a whole summer in hot weather.

Neither barrells have handles, and the barrels aren't "round" --- they are sqare with rounded corners.

[SuziQ]

Could be. It would be easy to tie something to the handles on these containers to weight them down, too. It is baffling, isn't it?!

I'm confused as to which one Morphey helped move - the square container or the round barrel that Stacy's sister saw? I could see needing help with a big awkward round barrel - but not these square containers with handles - they don't seem big enough to be that heavy that you would need help moving it. Questions, questions, questions!!! :doh:

Ric Mims said the GJ was very interested in the handles on these containers.

[SuziQ]

OK. I just went out in the garage and looked at our barrells again. They are blue, and they both have removable ("snap down") tops. One is dry powder chlorine, from which we use a cup to take the amount we want to add to the pool. The other is empty now except for a few plastic wrapped chlorine 'tabs' that we leave floating in the pool at all times. Neither has a spiggot or faucet. The gross weight of each barrell is 70 pounds (of chlorine, that is) and that is plenty to last us for a whole summer in hot weather.

Neither barrells have handles, and the barrels aren't "round" --- they are sqare with rounded corners.

So they are containers not barrels?

[panthera]

This is baffling to me because of the fact they found "blue plastic shavings" in DP's Dinali...WHERE did that come from then??? I believe he used the barrel to dump her body & maybe these containers were used to get rid of other evidence, cell phone, etc...
Did they ever say exactly where on the Denali these "shavings" were found? I thought I'd heard they were on the vehicle itself, from scraping the container against the car trying to get it in & out.

[SieSie]

Did they ever say exactly where on the Denali these "shavings" were found? I thought I'd heard they were on the vehicle itself, from scraping the container against the car trying to get it in & out.
That's a good question, I don't know the answer. I do remember hearing that it was plastic shavings though - these containers (square w/ handles) don't appear to be plastic to me. It seems they would've caused more scratching or scuffing instead.

[panthera]

That's a good question, I don't know the answer. I do remember hearing that it was plastic shavings though - these containers (square w/ handles) don't appear to be plastic to me. It seems they would've caused more scratching or scuffing instead.
That's what I was thinking, it would've scratched the inside of the vehicle under where the rear cargo door opens. I still can't see how he could've gotten Stacy inside these containers in one piece or how he could've dismembered her at the house.

[SieSie]

That's what I was thinking, it would've scratched the inside of the vehicle under where the rear cargo door opens. I still can't see how he could've gotten Stacy inside these containers in one piece or how he could've dismembered her at the house.
I can't see it either. The only thing that makes sense is kpass's idea that the containers were used to get rid of evidence intead of the body.

[panthera]

I can't see it either. The only thing that makes sense is kpass's idea that the containers were used to get rid of evidence intead of the body.
That sounds a lot more plausible. They don't look that large at all. :)

[Lisabet]

So they are containers not barrels?
Suzie--- I think of them as barrels because they stand taller than they are wide, and they look like "barrels" except that I notice they are square, with rounded corners. I really don't know what anyone would call them except a "barrel" or a "container". Guess I can take a digital photo of the ones we have and post them, but I can tell you that they do have snap-on/removable tops and no spiggots or faucets. If you have a pool supply shop in your area you can stop in and see exactly what I'm talking about.

[SuziQ]

Suzie--- I think of them as barrels because they stand taller than they are wide, and they look like "barrels" except that I notice they are square, with rounded corners. I really don't know what anyone would call them except a "barrel" or a "container". Guess I can take a digital photo of the ones we have and post them, but I can tell you that they do have snap-on/removable tops and no spiggots or faucets. If you have a pool supply shop in your area you can stop in and see exactly what I'm talking about.

I think I know what you are talking about. I've seen them at Costco for Laundry detergent. The lids snap on very tight.

I live a good hour from the closest pool supplier. However, I've been around pools all my life and have yet to see chemicals in that large of a barrel or container, even at a large municipal pool.

ETA: I meant barrels as big as the one Drew had, which I know you weren't addressing.

[i.b.nora]

Suzie--- I think of them as barrels because they stand taller than they are wide, and they look like "barrels" except that I notice they are square, with rounded corners. I really don't know what anyone would call them except a "barrel" or a "container". Guess I can take a digital photo of the ones we have and post them, but I can tell you that they do have snap-on/removable tops and no spiggots or faucets. If you have a pool supply shop in your area you can stop in and see exactly what I'm talking about.
It would be neat if you could take a photo with maybe a yardstick next to it for scale.

[Tom'sGirl]

It would be neat if you could take a photo with maybe a yardstick next to it for scale.
It sure would!

It only appears to be approx. 3' x 3' but you can't really tell by the photos.

[philamena]

Since I haven't heard of any blood evidence being found in the home, I'm guessing that the containers were used to remove anything from the home that showed signs of a struggle or signs of slight bleeding.

I think these containers hold the key to what happened to Stacey.

[SuziQ]

I am hoping that one of the containers has the missing Apple computer and that the computer has an anti-theft tracking system on it. If the computer was used for LE related work, then I would almost bet it has one on it. The software would most likely be unknown to Drew. IT depts put them on emplyees computers, it's undetectable and virtually impossible to remove. The tracking system would lead to exactly where the computer is.

[ThoughtFox]

In our part of the country, anything square insted of rounded would be a "container" and not a "barrel," so perhaps it's just a local language thing going on?

Did they ever say exactly where on the Denali these "shavings" were found? I thought I'd heard they were on the vehicle itself, from scraping the container against the car trying to get it in & out.
That is exactly what I thought, and so it wouldn't matter whether they were round or square. If something heavy was inside and he scraped the side or handle while lifting or dragging the container out of a car then it would leave "shavings" as evidence.

I think sonar could see those shapes under the water. Of course, the waterways are probably frozen right now.

[SieSie]

I am hoping that one of the containers has the missing Apple computer and that the computer has an anti-theft tracking system on it. If the computer was used for LE related work, then I would almost bet it has one on it. The software would most likely be unknown to Drew. IT depts put them on emplyees computers, it's undetectable and virtually impossible to remove. The tracking system would lead to exactly where the computer is.
Oooooh, interesting!!! I didn't know that. Let's hope. :D


In our part of the country, anything square insted of rounded would be a "container" and not a "barrel," so perhaps it's just a local language thing going on?

That's what I think, as well. To me, a barrel is round, I've never heard of a square barrel.

[Camper]

Oooooh, interesting!!! I didn't know that. Let's hope. :D



That's what I think, as well. To me, a barrel is round, I've never heard of a square barrel.



--->>>Yep barrels are notably round. Old song from my childhood, called "Beer Barrel Polka", lyrics go, "ROLL out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun" etc. Play heck rolling a square barrel.

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[SieSie]

--->>>Yep barrels are notably round. Old song from my childhood, called "Beer Barrel Polka", lyrics go, "ROLL out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun" etc. Play heck rolling a square barrel.

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LOL, Camper - I love that song!!
<< dancin' toward the coffeemaker to that song in my head now >>

[Littledeer]

camper:

LOL, you just gave your age away!!! :):) Rolling out the barrel..........

Seriously, the picture that I am now seeing is NOT a barrel ,as was mentioned by Fox in how we interpret that word.

However, my hubby said he would have no problem putting me in one of those when I showed him the pic. (I asked, all folded up or what, and he said, more like he could scrunched me up in it)

I stand 4'10". What was Stacy's height again???

[Tom'sGirl]

camper:

LOL, you just gave your age away!!! :):) Rolling out the barrel..........

Seriously, the picture that I am now seeing is NOT a barrel ,as was mentioned by Fox in how we interpret that word.

However, my hubby said he would have no problem putting me in one of those when I showed him the pic. (I asked, all folded up or what, and he said, more like he could scrunched me up in it)

I stand 4'10". What was Stacy's height again???
5'2" approx. 100 lbs.

[Littledeer]

hmmmmmmm. Hubby is at work now but will ask him later with those height and weight facts.

An extra 4" in height is a lot to scrunch up, IMO. For the scenario of DP disembering (god, I hate saying that word), would require IMO, DP somehow taking Stacy to the basement and telling the kids he was doing some saw work, etc. down there. NOPE, that couldn't have happened. No blood found. (THAT IS, ASSUMING THE LE WENT TO THE BASEMENT).

IMO, the "barrel" was used to put Stacy in and the 3 missing "containers" were used for other evidence and tools, materials, etc., that DP needed to put Stacy somewhere.