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Tom'sGirl
12-13-2007, 09:34 PM
First thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56994
Continue here.
Again, thank you WindChime :)
ThoughtFox
12-14-2007, 12:59 AM
We'll have to take turns bumping this up until the thaw. ;)
Greybeard
12-14-2007, 06:47 AM
Anyone who wants more details on the equipment used in this kind of search can
See the equipment here: http://www.ovsar.org/sidescan.htm
It’s a complete SideScan Sonar setup for a search crew.
Also there are many “screen shots” of the sonar images available on the web.
The Cal-Sag Channel crew is also using a small remotely operated vehicle for real time
Camera images.
Greybeard
DeltaDawn
12-14-2007, 09:17 AM
Anyone who wants more details on the equipment used in this kind of search can
See the equipment here: http://www.ovsar.org/sidescan.htm
It’s a complete SideScan Sonar setup for a search crew.
Also there are many “screen shots” of the sonar images available on the web.
The Cal-Sag Channel crew is also using a small remotely operated vehicle for real time
Camera images.
Greybeard
The camera images at that site are amazing in the clarity and detail. But with all the debris in the Cal Sag, that may hinder them getting the shots they need..meaning all the cars, etc in the way.
Camper
12-14-2007, 09:27 AM
Anyone who wants more details on the equipment used in this kind of search can
See the equipment here: http://www.ovsar.org/sidescan.htm
It’s a complete SideScan Sonar setup for a search crew.
Also there are many “screen shots” of the sonar images available on the web.
The Cal-Sag Channel crew is also using a small remotely operated vehicle for real time
Camera images.
Greybeard
--->>>Thank you for the link. I clicked on the K-9 training link at your link. Remarkable what dogs are trained for and how they are trained. I got involved with 'dogs' and their abilities on the JonBenet Case. This link is a goldmine for info on DOGS and their duties in LE. Heres to the Doggies too!
Bumpy bump person here.
.
Greybeard
12-14-2007, 09:55 AM
I won’t claim to be an expert on this type of search, but from following the Laci
Peterson search I see a lot of similarities. One of the things I remember that may
Apply here is the lack of water clarity at times.
If I remember right the fact that large propellers passing by stir up mud so
when a ship goes by; the visibility goes way down.
Could that be one of the reasons for stopping the Barge traffic at times?
Also, when the towfish is being pulled behind the boat I doubt they
Would like to have it run into a sunken car eh? From what I have read; that place
Was sort of a “ dumping grounds” for cars and other things. That must really
Be a challenge in this weather.
Greybeard
Camper
12-14-2007, 10:49 AM
I won’t claim to be an expert on this type of search, but from following the Laci
Peterson search I see a lot of similarities. One of the things I remember that may
Apply here is the lack of water clarity at times.
If I remember right the fact that large propellers passing by stir up mud so
when a ship goes by; the visibility goes way down.
Could that be one of the reasons for stopping the Barge traffic at times?
Also, when the towfish is being pulled behind the boat I doubt they
Would like to have it run into a sunken car eh? From what I have read; that place
Was sort of a “ dumping grounds” for cars and other things. That must really
Be a challenge in this weather.
Greybeard
--->>>Something you said stirred a thought, 'Dumping ground'. I wonder if other than someone running a car off an open access from a bridge is how cars get in the channel? I am thinking noooooo couldn't be.
So given that thought from the accesses to allow the pushing a car off by an individual entity, would a 'recent' dump get bogged down with cars already in the channel ?, OR would a 'newly' dumped vehicle be drawn by any sort of a current in the channel to a NEW location?
I am also guessing that 'passing' large boats would create a 'wash' current that could re locate a recently dumped vehicle, huh?
Wish I were smarter about large bodies of water. I would think there might be a state oriented fine for 'dumping vehicles' in a waterway, huh?
.
close_enough
12-14-2007, 04:26 PM
it was mentioned on a different thread, about a search being done today...is this the same body of water as this thread pertains to?
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 05:11 PM
There was a video feed that showed a car being pulled up from under a bridge according to SuziQ on the Stacy Peterson thread.
Was that done so the sonar could see "farther down" in the water??
AdoraBlue
12-14-2007, 05:18 PM
Fox News, "The Big Story," just reported they are draining this part of the canal? Any local news on this?
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 05:29 PM
Adora:
I haven't heard anything and chico hasn't posted anything in the media thread. I posted what you asked on the Stacy Peterson thread thinking that maybe someone over there might know, but no one has responded yet.
If you hear anything more, please post.
close_enough
12-14-2007, 05:30 PM
haven't heard a thing about this...hubby has control of the TV here downstairs, at the moment....
AdoraBlue
12-14-2007, 05:50 PM
Okay, I rewound "The Big Story," and here is the gist of what they reported:
Mary Frances Briegel(sp) of WBBM radio says they reportedly began draining the canal last night and sources say they know exactly what they are looking for. According to her, local reporters are speculating that GJ testimony may have led to draining the canal for a specific item.
Lieberman (AMW guy) says that AMW has received quite a few tips regarding this particular canal. Also talked a bit about Steve Peterson being re-subpoenaed to the GJ, saying that seems significant to him.
I don't know, to drain a huge canal, the water has to go somewhere. Unless they were able to close off a section within the locks??
chicoliving
12-14-2007, 06:03 PM
Earlier today there was a brief report at http://abclocal.go.com/wls/ and it showed a canal and mentioned the search for Stacy. I can't find it again and didn't take the time to read the article in full when I first came upon it.
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 06:19 PM
Adora:
Looks like you got something there!! HUGE!! Do you know what part of the canal it was specifically?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...DP should go back to the GJ, wish I was on it, I have some very pointed questions I'd like to ask him!!!
btw..........which Earnhardt said that, Sr. or Jr.? I'm betting Sr.!
AdoraBlue
12-14-2007, 06:42 PM
Okay, I rewound "The Big Story," and here is the gist of what they reported:
Mary Frances Briegel(sp) of WBBM radio says they reportedly began draining the canal last night and (ETA) "a family member of Stacy Peterson" says ISP know exactly what they are looking for. According to Briegel, local reporters are speculating that GJ testimony may have led to draining the canal for a specific item.
Lieberman (AMW guy) says that AMW has received quite a few tips regarding this particular canal. Also talked a bit about Steve Peterson being re-subpoenaed to the GJ, saying that seems significant to him.
I don't know, to drain a huge canal, the water has to go somewhere. Unless they were able to close off a section within the locks??
The report did not state what part of the canal they were reportedly draining, just showed clips of the search that was being conducted today.
The AMW guy also said that their sources believe that Steve Peterson and several other people know something about Stacy's disappearance. John Gibson, co-host of The Big Story, asked the AMW guy about the "no-snitch rule," regarding Steve Peterson's GJ testimony.
BTW, Littledeer, my siggy is a quote from The Intimidator himself.:cool:
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 06:51 PM
snip from Andora's post....
Steve Peterson and several other people know something about Stacy's disappearance. snip....
We know that Tom Morphy knows something, the Pastor knows something. Are they implying that "other police officers might know something??
If Steve knows anything about Stacy's disappearance, how sad that he would be that loyal to his father as a police officer himself. I would be totally shocked it this were to come out as a fact later, and my gosh, he had been babysitting his own nephews and niece during this time.
OT: I figured it was the Intimidator!!! I miss him so much, watching the races these past years and this year also!!
close_enough
12-14-2007, 07:16 PM
Okay, I rewound "The Big Story," and here is the gist of what they reported:
Mary Frances Briegel(sp) of WBBM radio says they reportedly began draining the canal last night and sources say they know exactly what they are looking for. According to her, local reporters are speculating that GJ testimony may have led to draining the canal for a specific item.
Lieberman (AMW guy) says that AMW has received quite a few tips regarding this particular canal. Also talked a bit about Steve Peterson being re-subpoenaed to the GJ, saying that seems significant to him.
I don't know, to drain a huge canal, the water has to go somewhere. Unless they were able to close off a section within the locks??
hmmm, very interesting!!...thanks for the info AB!
close_enough
12-14-2007, 07:19 PM
The report did not state what part of the canal they were reportedly draining, just showed clips of the search that was being conducted today.
The AMW guy also said that their sources believe that Steve Peterson and several other people know something about Stacy's disappearance. John Gibson, co-host of The Big Story, asked the AMW guy about the "no-snitch rule," regarding Steve Peterson's GJ testimony.
BTW, Littledeer, my siggy is a quote from The Intimidator himself.:cool:
wow!....i had taken Steve Peterson 'off the front burner'....hmm
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 07:22 PM
close enough:
I also had taken off Steve Peterson, not the other Steve though!!
RandyMucha
12-14-2007, 08:00 PM
--->>>Thank you for the link. I clicked on the K-9 training link at your link. Remarkable what dogs are trained for and how they are trained. I got involved with 'dogs' and their abilities on the JonBenet Case. This link is a goldmine for info on DOGS and their duties in LE. Heres to the Doggies too!
Bumpy bump person here.
.
Local K-9 Organization: www.ilpwda.com (http://www.ilpwda.com)
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 08:08 PM
Thanks Randy! I am amazed at what they can do!!
It's like a "seeing eye" dog, but more technically involved with what they can do.
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 08:10 PM
We lost 2 K-9's in the last year in two different police departments in the area I live at. And the ceremony that was given for them, was just as if a "police officer" had died. It was truly amazing and heatwrenching!!!!!!
RandyMucha
12-14-2007, 08:35 PM
We lost 2 K-9's in the last year in two different police departments in the area I live at. And the ceremony that was given for them, was just as if a "police officer" had died. It was truly amazing and heatwrenching!!!!!!
Yes it is. Been there, done that.
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 08:38 PM
Randy:
Hope you didn't take that the wrong way. I'm sure you have been there and done that.
cricket
12-14-2007, 08:40 PM
On Nancy Grace right now they are showing pictures from earlier today and saying that they are draining the canal. I just switched to it so I didn't catch the whole thing.
RandyMucha
12-14-2007, 08:42 PM
Randy:
Hope you didn't take that the wrong way. I'm sure you have been there and done that.
No - not at all. Maybe I shouldn't have been so brief in my reply. I was a K9 handler for 8 years and I am still involved in Police K9 although my 2 dogs now are not street dogs. You were very right in saying that it was truly amazing and heatwrenching. I shed more tears at K9 funerals than most other tragic events I can recall.
AdoraBlue
12-14-2007, 08:46 PM
[quote=Littledeer;1851427]snip from Andora's post....
Steve Peterson and several other people know something about Stacy's disappearance. snip....
We know that Tom Morphy knows something, the Pastor knows something. Are they implying that "other police officers might know something??
If Steve knows anything about Stacy's disappearance, how sad that he would be that loyal to his father as a police officer himself. I would be totally shocked it this were to come out as a fact later, and my gosh, he had been babysitting his own nephews and niece during this time.quote]
You know, "knowing something" could mean a lot of different things, not necessarily direct information and/or involvement, perhaps more as a material witness.
Tom'sGirl
12-14-2007, 08:50 PM
Since this discussion is has now gone to the draining, IIRC you had replied in the GretaWire blog that it was possible to drain when someone has said there was no way they could drain any of it.
Did I recall wrong?
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 09:01 PM
Tom's Girl:
I hope Randy answers your question.
But, could it be that what you thought couldn't be drained, is not the same area of the canal that is being drained now according to Adora and the news?
rm: sent you a pm
Tom'sGirl
12-14-2007, 09:04 PM
Tom's Girl:
I hope Randy answers your question.
But, could it be that what you thought couldn't be drained, is not the same area of the canal that is being drained now according to Adora and the news?
rm: sent you a pm
LOL, I never said it couldn't be drained, it was a poster there and IIRC Randy replied that it could. I'm from SoCA and have no idea about such things, but did accept his answer as one who would know.
Littledeer
12-14-2007, 09:10 PM
Tom's Girl:
your post:
Since this discussion is has now gone to the draining, IIRC you had replied in the GretaWire blog that it was possible to drain when someone has said there was no way they could drain any of it.
Did I recall wrong?
Guess I took the "I recall wrong" as if you had at one time said it "couldn't be drained".
Sorry.
Tom'sGirl
12-14-2007, 09:12 PM
Tom's Girl:
your post:
Since this discussion is has now gone to the draining, IIRC you had replied in the GretaWire blog that it was possible to drain when someone has said there was no way they could drain any of it.
Did I recall wrong?
Guess I took the "I recall wrong" as if you had at one time said it "couldn't be drained".
Sorry.
Nothing to be sorry about LD. I was just asking if I recalled wrong in his reply............I guess my wording was misleading.
AdoraBlue
12-14-2007, 09:21 PM
I am taking this whole "draining" thing with a grain of salt. Maybe the words "dredge" and "drain" got mixed up?? Until we get more confirmation, but that is definitely what was reported this afternoon on Fox News.
One more thing, BTW, could it be they are lowering the water level, not draining it completely?
close_enough
12-14-2007, 09:31 PM
I am taking this whole "draining" thing with a grain of salt. Maybe the words "dredge" and "drain" got mixed up?? Until we get more confirmation, but that is definitely what was reported this afternoon on Fox News.
One more thing, BTW, could it be they are lowering the water level, not draining it completely?
i was wondering about this earlier.....what is the local news calling it, in BB?...are there links to local newspapers??..i know there is, but i don't recall what they are...just wonder what they're calling this operation, there locally...i would think something local would be pretty accurate, maybe?
SuziQ
12-15-2007, 01:30 AM
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-peterson_15dec15,0,6217944.story?coll=chi_tab01_la yout
(snip)
Pam Bosco, a spokeswoman for Stacy Peterson's family, said state police told them they had lowered the water levels for the search. Bosco also said family members remain hopeful for a quick resolution.
chicoliving
12-15-2007, 07:37 AM
ROMEOVILLE -- The search of the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal for missing mom Stacy Peterson is based on cell phone records showing her husband Drew Peterson was near there when he received an anxious call from his sister-in-law, a source said.
The sister-in-law, Cassandra Cales, has said she called Drew Peterson's cell phone about 11 p.m. Oct. 28. Stacy Peterson was last seen that morning. Cales said Peterson sounded out of breath and said he was at his home. But Cales said she was outside his house and he was not there.
Now, a source says, cell phone records show Drew Peterson was somewhere near Romeoville by the Sanitary and Ship Canal.
"When Cassandra called Drew's phone, it pinged near that area," the source said.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...SON_S1.article
NascarMom
12-15-2007, 08:13 AM
ROMEOVILLE -- The search of the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal for missing mom Stacy Peterson is based on cell phone records showing her husband Drew Peterson was near there when he received an anxious call from his sister-in-law, a source said.
The sister-in-law, Cassandra Cales, has said she called Drew Peterson's cell phone about 11 p.m. Oct. 28. Stacy Peterson was last seen that morning. Cales said Peterson sounded out of breath and said he was at his home. But Cales said she was outside his house and he was not there.
Now, a source says, cell phone records show Drew Peterson was somewhere near Romeoville by the Sanitary and Ship Canal.
"When Cassandra called Drew's phone, it pinged near that area," the source said.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...SON_S1.article
Thank you! This clears up some questions I had about this.
Thanks for the link to that article chicoliving.
It DOES sound very encouraging. Looks like the clock is ticking for DrewPs freedom!:behindbar
fran
Taximom
12-15-2007, 09:38 AM
I'd like to just say THANK GOD FOR CASSANDRA. :blowkiss:
Drew could have pulled that old "oh she left for a few days" crap if her sister hadn't been on him like white on rice.
Although I wish this would have had a better ending.
robthomaseyes
12-15-2007, 09:45 AM
I'd like to just say THANK GOD FOR CASSANDRA. :blowkiss:
Drew could have pulled that old "oh she left for a few days" crap if her sister hadn't been on him like white on rice.
Although I wish this would have had a better ending.
Good for her sister. God forbid that would ever happen to one of my sisters, I would be right on the ba7&&rd too!!!
I thought of another inconsistency in Drew's story. According to cassandra, when she called him late that night, he told her he had been out looking for Stacy. Why would he be out looking for her if she had called him and told him she'd left? Didn't she say she was at the airport and was going on vacation with some guy she'd found? The whole reason he says he won't "beat the bushes" to look for her is b/c he knows she's gone away b/c she called him.
Taximom
12-15-2007, 09:50 AM
Good for her sister. God forbid that would ever happen to one of my sisters, I would be right on the ba7&&rd too!!!
I thought of another inconsistency in Drew's story. According to cassandra, when she called him late that night, he told her he had been out looking for Stacy. Why would he be out looking for her if she had called him and told him she'd left? Didn't she say she was at the airport and was going on vacation with some guy she'd found? The whole reason he says he won't "beat the bushes" to look for her is b/c he knows she's gone away b/c she called him.
Yeah, and he called off work to watch the kids since she left. LOL I can't believe a cop can't get his lies straight.
AdoraBlue
12-15-2007, 10:37 AM
but incidentally interesting nonetheless:
Bossier dive team has sound results
http://shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071215/NEWS01/712150331
snip In each case, the searches were made after a group that tracks missing people had made a visit and said there were areas worth checking.
The same areas had been scanned in recent years by other groups performing archaeological or hydrological searches, and turned up nothing of interest.
Something visible at one time may be covered by silt and currents, while something covered for years may be exposed by those same variables.
What's being sought also makes a difference. A car will send a hard return, but something smaller, like a metal drum, may not.
And Ford said the team has even practiced on a dummy whose position underwater they knew, but still had trouble finding.
"We sunk him to the bottom of the river and ran sonar to see if we could recognize him," Ford said. "The results were kind of questionable." snip
Taximom
12-15-2007, 10:41 AM
Is Gene Ralston there yet? I thought he was going to be part of this search.
SeriouslySearching
12-15-2007, 10:47 AM
Tom's Girl:
your post:
Since this discussion is has now gone to the draining, IIRC you had replied in the GretaWire blog that it was possible to drain when someone has said there was no way they could drain any of it.
Did I recall wrong?
Guess I took the "I recall wrong" as if you had at one time said it "couldn't be drained".
Sorry.I had mentioned here on the boards earlier about draining it...as they did when they had the bridge collapse to clear debris. Someone had responded it wasn't possible to drain such a large canal, but my comment was I thought they could because of the lock system. This is probably what TG was referring to. : )
So did they or are they draining it?! Or are we still confused on this point?!
calidreamin
12-15-2007, 10:51 AM
I'd like to just say THANK GOD FOR CASSANDRA. :blowkiss:
Drew could have pulled that old "oh she left for a few days" crap if her sister hadn't been on him like white on rice.
Although I wish this would have had a better ending.
I agree with you TM! I am so glad she caught him in that lie at the very begining and I am very encouraged that his cel phone pinged by the canal, I hope they find her.
Taximom
12-15-2007, 10:52 AM
Hi SS! Are you ok?
I thought they were in the process of draining it as we speak.
SuziQ
12-15-2007, 11:03 AM
I had mentioned here on the boards earlier about draining it...as they did when they had the bridge collapse to clear debris. Someone had responded it wasn't possible to drain such a large canal, but my comment was I thought they could because of the lock system. This is probably what TG was referring to. : )
So did they or are they draining it?! Or are we still confused on this point?!
Yes, I my post #37, Pam Bosco says that water levels are being lowered.
RandyMucha
12-15-2007, 11:06 AM
The media keeps calling it DRAINING but they have yet to explain how they are doing it. It is obvious that the water level is going down. I made the assumption that closing the lock(s) upstream would allow the water downstream to drain. How far down it can drain is anyones guess. Its a man-made canal and is 25 feet deep. Hope that helps.
Taximom
12-15-2007, 11:10 AM
I wondered how deep it was. I have to say I'm surprised they don't have a regularly scheduled clean-up of this canal if it's such a great place to dump your old car, etc.
SuziQ
12-15-2007, 11:13 AM
The media keeps calling it DRAINING but they have yet to explain how they are doing it. It is obvious that the water level is going down. I made the assumption that closing the lock(s) upstream would allow the water downstream to drain. How far down it can drain is anyones guess. Its a man-made canal and is 25 feet deep. Hope that helps.
Do you know if the Lockwood locks are still operational?
RandyMucha
12-15-2007, 11:21 AM
Do you know if the Lockwood locks are still operational?
I have no idea. Sorry.
SeriouslySearching
12-15-2007, 11:28 AM
Hi SS! Are you ok?
I thought they were in the process of draining it as we speak.Thanks for asking! Yes, I am finally at a place with power now and still trying to thaw out...otherwise...I am OK!! Brrrr! Don't wanna ever be that cold again!! :blowkiss:
After this week, I can't imagine how cold those people must be while searching in and on that waterway. I will say extra prayers for them!!
Thanks for responding about the draining or the lowering of the water. I tried looking it up, but didn't see where they specifically had mentioned it today or last night.
SeriouslySearching
12-15-2007, 11:29 AM
I wondered how deep it was. I have to say I'm surprised they don't have a regularly scheduled clean-up of this canal if it's such a great place to dump your old car, etc.Looks like it would be a great place to look for bodies, too. :eek:
RandyMucha
12-15-2007, 05:22 PM
I just returned from the canal. Pics are here:
http://www.randymucha.com/canal.htm
They are packing up for this evening and will be back tomorrow.
KOOL LOOK
12-15-2007, 05:35 PM
Randy, thank you for these pics. I have a new found respect and admiration for these guys outside working in the cold and water. Wowsa, they earn their pay, hopefully they will be rewarded for their efforts.
In the picture with the railroad tracks, Randy is that a graveyard to the right of this picture of the tracks? Looks like possibly a fenced in area? I can't tell too good, looks like they could be standing tombstones. I could be wrong.
Thanks so much for the pics and linking find Stacy at the bottom of your page, your efforts are honorable in the help and search process.
Hey everyone, now we know why they've honed in this area due to the cell phone pings when Cassandra called Drew's cell phone at eleven pm that fateful night. We were all wondering why they were sooooooo focused in that area.
Chico also posted in the media links thread law enforce ment is possibly seeking another search warrant, could it be for the obvious old cell phone records in the kathy savio case that was never followed up on that Mark found this week as a missing clue? I sure hope so. I can't believe we all didn't figure that one out. But we don't have all the reports and paperwork in front of us to analyze as Mark did, which led him to this clue.
I feel the walls are closing in slowly, butt surely. I really want Stacey home, no matter what condition it may be, she deserves the truth to be told.
concernedperson
12-15-2007, 05:39 PM
I just returned from the canal. Pics are here:
http://www.randymucha.com/canal.htm
They are packing up for this evening and will be back tomorrow.
Those pics look extremely cold and forbidding. I admire the effort these people are undertaking to bring Stacy home.
Littledeer
12-15-2007, 05:55 PM
From Kool Look:
I feel the walls are closing in slowly, butt surely. I really want Stacey home, no matter what condition it may be, she deserves the truth to be told.
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Amen! Me too Kool! I am so happy that LE are taking their time to ensure that they have a 99.9% solveavle case against DP. Also, trying to find where Stacy is to bring her home to her family and to all others who have for two long months been trying to find her.
In addition, also trying to prove that DP was involved in Kathy's mysterious death. (murder). IMO
Camper
12-15-2007, 06:25 PM
I just returned from the canal. Pics are here:
http://www.randymucha.com/canal.htm
They are packing up for this evening and will be back tomorrow.
--->>>Thank you!!! You were a very busy and cold person today. I hope all of those men have a loving and warm home to go to tonight!!!
The picture of the men in the blue boat, I noted the large brown tarp in the center of the boat seems to be covering a large object, yes, or huh?
Certainly wish the weather was more cooperative for all concerned.
It is 18 degrees here in my part of Colorado now, no wind though.
.
Dobler
12-15-2007, 07:16 PM
Bless these searchers, I feel so thankful that they are so dedicated. I hope they find what they need to soon. I think they will.
SeriouslySearching
12-16-2007, 02:27 AM
Randy, thanks for the photos. I have a question about the photo which shows the bank and a cement piece under the overpass. It has a bright pink dot painted on it...is this significant in the search? It doesn't appear to be random like graffiti. Any idea?
donnam
12-16-2007, 12:11 PM
Randy, thanks for the photos. I have a question about the photo which shows the bank and a cement piece under the overpass. It has a bright pink dot painted on it...is this significant in the search? It doesn't appear to be random like graffiti. Any idea?
I wondered about that myself. Looked to be like some sort of "marker".
ThoughtFox
12-16-2007, 12:17 PM
RandyMucha: Thanks so much for the pictures - it looks so bitterly cold! I can't even imagine getting into the water.
Where exactly were those pictures taken? I mean, which road goes over that bridge? I'd like to look at it on Google Earth again and try to get another map.
RandyMucha
12-16-2007, 01:48 PM
Here are today’s pics from the canal:
http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm (http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm)
RandyMucha
12-16-2007, 01:49 PM
Randy, thanks for the photos. I have a question about the photo which shows the bank and a cement piece under the overpass. It has a bright pink dot painted on it...is this significant in the search? It doesn't appear to be random like graffiti. Any idea?
No idea, sorry.
SuziQ
12-16-2007, 01:55 PM
Here are today’s pics from the canal:
http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm (http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm)
Randy, those are great pictures, thank you!
SuziQ
12-16-2007, 01:56 PM
Randy, would you mind posting all of your pics into the Picture thread? Thanks!
DeltaDawn
12-16-2007, 02:13 PM
Here are today’s pics from the canal:
http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm (http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm)
Randy those are wonderful shots of the area.
Is Leo's in that same general area too?
Also the area looks like it would be quite secluded and dark on a Sunday evening at 11PM.
RandyMucha
12-16-2007, 03:36 PM
Randy those are wonderful shots of the area.
Is Leo's in that same general area too?
Also the area looks like it would be quite secluded and dark on a Sunday evening at 11PM.
Leos is just about 2-3 blocks away.
RandyMucha
12-16-2007, 03:44 PM
Randy, would you mind posting all of your pics into the Picture thread? Thanks!
I can't find the picture thread. Can you direct me or send me a link?
SeriouslySearching
12-16-2007, 03:45 PM
Leos is just about 2-3 blocks away.That is interesting.
DeltaDawn
12-16-2007, 03:48 PM
So if Drew met Steve there for drinks often..then he was probably very familiar with this area of town at night.
Could it be that he took Tom from the coffee shop, home to load up the denali, then dropped Tom at the airport to drive Stacy's car and then had Tom meet him at LEO's. Maybe Tom now tells Drew he thinks he knows what's in the box or barrel and Drew says yes...then Drew starts plying him with drinks. Then Drew takes Tom home..meets his other nameless accompice at the parking lot to Leo's. They dispose of the body..they follow Drew back to the airport..leave Stacy's car there again. Drew drives back to Leo's drops off the other accomplice and hands him some cash. They part company. Drew drives the Denali home and then walks to the airport to get Stacy's car and jumps in bed.
Really haven't worked thru this yet in my mind but I am thining that somehow Drew and Thomas end up at Leo's drinking..Drew supplying the rounds. Because Thomas has been off alcohol for years..then suddenly shows up st his neighbors house saying he'd been
drinking and the story of Stacy's body possibly in the container he helped move from the house.
If Thomas had not been drinking in years, then he would not have had any booze in his house. Someone supplied that booze and that had to be Drew. Drew would not have sat at home drinking with Thomas because the kids are home and they would hear anything that might be said. I think he took Thomas to LEO's afterwards for a couple of drinks hoping that would ruin Thomas' memory of things and discredit Thomas at the same time. Plus he is visibly in one more place where people could id him..not home murdering his wife.
Camper
12-16-2007, 04:06 PM
I can't find the picture thread. Can you direct me or send me a link?
--->>>Here's the link for the picture thread.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56028
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robthomaseyes
12-16-2007, 04:13 PM
With Drew's lock picking abilities, has anyone ever searched inside of Leo's?
I know that searches were conducted on the property of Leo's outside...
SeriouslySearching
12-16-2007, 04:30 PM
I don't think Drew had time to take Tom to Leo's that night. While I haven't heard any more about the video in KK, the timeline that has come out thus far doesn't support it. They don't serve drinks at KK and Tom was at the neighbor's house around tenish.
Did they ever search the Kennedy property where Stacy and Bruce were going to paint as the owner requested? Still haven't heard of this search, if so.
DeltaDawn
12-16-2007, 04:38 PM
Well depending on the timeline we have been given through leaks etc..it maybe just enough off to not support that info SS.
I am thinking that Drew had to give Tom the booze because Tom would not have had any in his house. Also the pills I am sure Drew provided to Tom so he could possibly od. Drew reads people very well, especially those close to him.
Maybe the timeline is off just enough for that little trip to LEO's to take place. The car moving may not have been that neccessary at that point. The car was already at the airport (per Drew saying that is where Stacy told him she left it)..so maybe it never was returned until after Drew disposed of the body.
But I also want to ask who was the person and what blog where we first heard of Drew's brother trying to commit suicide after the event. It was very early on and I am thinking whoever that was, I would love to read their more recent posts. Was it Greta, Steve's or Cassandra's? When that was put out there it was not beleived ..now we know it was true...maybe they have shared more info and we weren't aware?
SeriouslySearching
12-16-2007, 04:42 PM
If Tom had been clean for ten years, it doesn't mean that his girlfriend didn't drink or have anti-depressants available in the home. Drew didn't have to be the one giving him either one of those substances.
Walter didn't say that Tom was drunk! Only that he had been drinking! He could have had a shot or two at his house in a matter of a few seconds for all we know. It would account for the smell of alcohol on his breath.
DeltaDawn
12-16-2007, 04:50 PM
If Tom had been clean for ten years, it doesn't mean that his girlfriend didn't drink or have anti-depressants available in the home. Drew didn't have to be the one giving him either one of those substances.
Walter didn't say that Tom was drunk! Only that he had been drinking! He could have had a shot or two at his house in a matter of a few seconds for all we know. It would account for the smell of alcohol on his breath.
That's what I thought too SS at first...but now I am thinking the way Drew's mind works he would have wanted to assure no one believing Tom and giving him alcohol and pills was a ready answer. If Tom was upset enough to go home and have drinks after 10 years ..I think Drew would have picked up on that..counted on that...that's why he chose Tom.
Drew just never thought the neighbor would come forward to defend Tom and say that Tom is a fine respectful person who would not make up something like this. Remember in the past Tom had also wanted to please Drew according to Kattleen's nephew that worked with Tom at the bar Drew owned. So Drew felt safe in chosing Tom for this part of the deed.
SeriouslySearching
12-16-2007, 05:13 PM
But I also want to ask who was the person and what blog where we first heard of Drew's brother trying to commit suicide after the event. It was very early on and I am thinking whoever that was, I would love to read their more recent posts. Was it Greta, Steve's or Cassandra's? When that was put out there it was not beleived ..now we know it was true...maybe they have shared more info and we weren't aware?I went over the first two threads and didn't find the posts reporting Tom's suicide attempt. Maybe someone else can check that out!
DeltaDawn
12-16-2007, 05:25 PM
Thank you SS..I really appreciate you doing that. Also let me say that I am happy that you are home safe and sound and warm.
SeriouslySearching
12-16-2007, 05:58 PM
Thank you SS..I really appreciate you doing that. Also let me say that I am happy that you are home safe and sound and warm.:blowkiss: Thanks, DD! Not home yet, but hopefully very soon!! I want that house to be HOT before I go back into it! LOL
You are welcome, by the way. :)
DeltaDawn
12-16-2007, 07:09 PM
Oh my goodness SS .. that is terrible that you are still not home yet. I am thankful you had your daughter are within travel distance so you did not have to endure this time in the cold.
Leila
12-16-2007, 07:15 PM
Here are today’s pics from the canal:
http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm (http://www.randymucha.com/canal2.htm)
Wow Randy...........great pictures! Where exactly is Leo's Bar and Grill located......Bolingbrook, Oak Brook?
i.b.nora
12-16-2007, 07:35 PM
Leo's Bar & Grill 201 E Romeo Rd, Romeoville, IL 60446
RandyMucha
12-16-2007, 07:56 PM
Wow Randy...........great pictures! Where exactly is Leo's Bar and Grill located......Bolingbrook, Oak Brook?
2-3 blocks from the canal.
Schmerty_Jones
12-16-2007, 08:18 PM
So DrewP is familiar with that area! Has the Bar & grill been search as well as the are around it?:confused:
SuziQ
12-16-2007, 11:05 PM
Well depending on the timeline we have been given through leaks etc..it maybe just enough off to not support that info SS.
I am thinking that Drew had to give Tom the booze because Tom would not have had any in his house. Also the pills I am sure Drew provided to Tom so he could possibly od. Drew reads people very well, especially those close to him.
Maybe the timeline is off just enough for that little trip to LEO's to take place. The car moving may not have been that neccessary at that point. The car was already at the airport (per Drew saying that is where Stacy told him she left it)..so maybe it never was returned until after Drew disposed of the body.
But I also want to ask who was the person and what blog where we first heard of Drew's brother trying to commit suicide after the event. It was very early on and I am thinking whoever that was, I would love to read their more recent posts. Was it Greta, Steve's or Cassandra's? When that was put out there it was not beleived ..now we know it was true...maybe they have shared more info and we weren't aware?
It was a post at Topix, I think Indygal found it first. The posters name was Flo. I'll try to go find it.
SuziQ
12-16-2007, 11:09 PM
Found one of my old posts:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1820019&postcount=83
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I'm still catching up here. But are these two posts the rumor posts you all are looking for?
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http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbroo...im-of-betrayal (http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbrook-il/2007/11/cop-once-fired-over-claim-of-betrayal)
Sunday Nov 11
I heard that drew's bro flipped while bing interviewed and is now on the 2nd floor at st joe's hosp. the brother confessed to helping drew stuff the body in a 55gal drum and pouring concrete in with it..then they dumped her in a body of water, but he couldn't remember where.
Monday Nov 12
cant reveal my source but it is someone very very close to the investigation..also found out that it was actually a 30gal plastic drum
Monday Nov 12
I thimk they want 2 find the body first
ETA: I'm not sure any of the above have to do with the real barrel moving man. It was just interesting in hindsight and I wanted to post this
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...&postcount=330 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1818950&postcount=330)
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The below item was originally posted by Greta on November 12th, I had completely forgotten about it until a poster at Greta dug it up. Very interesting and goes to show, sometimes there's a little bit of truth to every rumor.
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11...etersons-home/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/12/email-from-fncs-jeff-goldblatt-outside-sgt-petersons-home/)
by Greta Van Susteren
Email just received from FNC’s Jeff Goldblatt:
The email below is to just give you the behind the scenes…it takes you inside our work….and also note how rumors arise, and we are compelled to chase them down ….just in case they are true….also make sure you read my note after Jeff’s email:
From: Goldblatt, Jeff
To: Van Susteren, Greta
Sent: Mon Nov 12 11:39:30 2007
Subject: Morning
There is rampant speculation out here in Bolingbrook among some of my competitors covering this story. The latest rumor: that a relative or friend of Drew Peterson has committed suicide, because the heat of police questioning got to him. It’s mind boggling how misinformation gets spread on some of these stories. Then again, it’s our business to gather information, and you still have to turn a story, even when police aren’t talking.
FYI: the Will County State’s Attorney will not reveal when the exhumation of the body of Kathleen Savio will take place. However, it seems as if today is unlikely, because of the observance of Veteran’s Day. Typically, this is a day for families to visit cemeteries to pay respects to loved ones, and it seems implausible that a high-profile exhumation would take place, and potentially disrupt those visiting other gravesites.
Have a good one…
Note: Jeff emailed me again to make sure you know that neither Sgt. Peterson’s brother nor Ric Mims (his friend) is dead. The above is meant just to show you how rumors send us scrambling…
Leila
12-16-2007, 11:34 PM
Just a possible theory about Thomas Morphey...........DP picks Tom up at the park and they go to the coffee shop and talk for a bit. DP tells Tom about all his troubles......Stacy wants a divorce, she's been seeing a bunch of guys, and they argued about it and she's left him. He's been out searching for her all day. He tells Toms he has to meet someone and will be back in a little while, leaves his cell phone there, telling Tom not to answer it. While DP is gone, the phone rings and Tom sees the caller ID showing "Stacy."
DP comes back to the coffee shop, bringing a bottle of whatever alcohol was Tom's favorite. He says, "hey the guy I had to meet gave me this bottle. I've already got a couple at home - here you go, my gift to you." He and Tom go to the Peterson home where Tom helps DP move a rectangular container from the bedroom to the Denali. Tom is a little shook up because that container felt warm to the touch. DP takes Tom home and along the way say, "go on take a swig, after being clean and sober for as long as you've been, you aren't going to get hooked again on just a couple of swigs." So, Tom opens the bottle and takes a couple of swigs.
After DP drops Tom off at home, Tom calls his neighbor and say he has to talk to him. The neighbor, Walter, says to come to the garage door. Walter smells the alcohol on Tom's breath when he comes in. Tom tells Walter about the evening's events and after a while Tom goes home.
After leaving Tom off at his home, DP goes to the canal area to dispose of the container. But with the diving weights the container is too heavy for DP to wrestle out of the back of the Denali himself and get it over the side of the canal. At 11:26pm Cassandra calls and DP realizes that Cassandra is out looking and his time for disposing of the body is getting short. He's got to dispose of the container and get back to the house before Cassandra comes to his house again. When he talks to Cassandra, he's out of breath from the exertion of trying to wrestle with the container himself.
DP drives back to Tom's house and knocks on the door. He tells Tom he's having trouble unloading the container at it's destination and he needs him to help him again. Tom is too scared of DP to refuse, and goes with him. They drive to the canal and get the container out of the car and over the side into the canal.
By this time, Tom is sure that Stacy is dead in that container. He's real shook up and trying to appear calm. DP says, "Hey, lets stop at Leo's for a bite to eat." When they get there, he orders Tom a drink, and then another, and by the time they leave, Tom is pretty drunk. DP reasons that the next day when Tom gets up he's going to be confused about the events of the night before.
The next day Tom remembers a lot and distraught by what he thinks he's involved in and he takes some tranquilizers to calm down. He overdoses and his girlfriend calls 911.
But, what DP didn't know is that Tom spoke to someone in between DP dropping Tom off, and then picking him up again later that night.
thesleuther
12-16-2007, 11:48 PM
Just a possible theory about Thomas Morphey...........DP picks Tom up at the park and they go to the coffee shop and talk for a bit. DP tells Tom about all his troubles......Stacy wants a divorce, she's been seeing a bunch of guys, and they argued about it and she's left him. He's been out searching for her all day. He tells Toms he has to meet someone and will be back in a little while, leaves his cell phone there, telling Tom not to answer it. While DP is gone, the phone rings and Tom sees the caller ID showing "Stacy."
DP comes back to the coffee shop, bringing a bottle of whatever alcohol was Tom's favorite. He says, "hey the guy I had to meet gave me this bottle. I've already got a couple at home - here you go, my gift to you." He and Tom go to the Peterson home where Tom helps DP move a rectangular container from the bedroom to the Denali. Tom is a little shook up because that container felt warm to the touch. DP takes Tom home and along the way say, "go on take a swig, after being clean and sober for as long as you've been, you aren't going to get hooked again on just a couple of swigs." So, Tom opens the bottle and takes a couple of swigs.
After DP drops Tom off at home, Tom calls his neighbor and say he has to talk to him. The neighbor, Walter, says to come to the garage door. Walter smells the alcohol on Tom's breath when he comes in. Tom tells Walter about the evening's events and after a while Tom goes home.
After leaving Tom off at his home, DP goes to the canal area to dispose of the container. But with the diving weights the container is too heavy for DP to wrestle out of the back of the Denali himself and get it over the side of the canal. At 11:26pm Cassandra calls and DP realizes that Cassandra is out looking and his time for disposing of the body is getting short. He's got to dispose of the container and get back to the house before Cassandra comes to his house again. When he talks to Cassandra, he's out of breath from the exertion of trying to wrestle with the container himself.
DP drives back to Tom's house and knocks on the door. He tells Tom he's having trouble unloading the container at it's destination and he needs him to help him again. Tom is too scared of DP to refuse, and goes with him. They drive to the canal and get the container out of the car and over the side into the canal.
By this time, Tom is sure that Stacy is dead in that container. He's real shook up and trying to appear calm. DP says, "Hey, lets stop at Leo's for a bite to eat." When they get there, he orders Tom a drink, and then another, and by the time they leave, Tom is pretty drunk. DP reasons that the next day when Tom gets up he's going to be confused about the events of the night before.
The next day Tom remembers a lot and distraught by what he thinks he's involved in and he takes some tranquilizers to calm down. He overdoses and his girlfriend calls 911.
But, what DP didn't know is that Tom spoke to someone in between DP dropping Tom off, and then picking him up again later that night.
Verrrrrrrrrrry interesting and plausible..........hmmmmmm.....
Camper
12-17-2007, 06:18 AM
Helloooooooo SuziQ, I remember reading that DP SOLD 'Leo's' some time ago. Am I wrong?
Would be interesting to see WHO owns Leo's now? What are Leo's hours of business? They [Leo's Bar] would NOT be open on a Sunday night - am I right ?. Were the locks changed when ownership changed?
Some of our posters have access to dig up real estate records and answers to the questions I pose here.
Tom could have been slipped a 'Mickey', thats what they called it in the olde movies and crime books I used to read. Maybe when we read that Tom was dropped off at his house, it may have a literal meaning, 'dropped/plopped off etc.
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robthomaseyes
12-17-2007, 07:42 AM
I tried to find the hours for Leo's, but couldn't. So if that is the bar Drew used to own, it's possible he may know about or even have created a hidden cubby or recess, or hollow wall when he owned it (sounds nutty, I know, but this guy is insane, IMO). He could have picked the locks that Sunday night if the bar was closed. It's a longshot, but something that you'd think police would check, just in case. They are in the habit of checking possibilities, no matter how far fetched.
DeltaDawn
12-17-2007, 09:38 AM
I think the police did check the area outside the bar and around the bar..someone wrote that comment earlier.
If Drew frequented that bar then he probably knew that general area fairly well..and knew that not too many people would be out and about on the canal that night at 11-11:30 PM.
I wonder if they will be searching the canal again today?
SeriouslySearching
12-17-2007, 01:49 PM
I would hope they are still searching the canal. As difficult a job as it is, it needs to be done. Since the search started there, Drew's tune has changed, imo. He certainly isn't cracking as many bad jokes now.
Are bars not open on Sunday nights in IL? Guess that would dispel any theory that Drew had Tom out drinking alcohol. (Again, Walter did not say he was drunk!! I think he took the shots or drink when he arrived home.)
i.b.nora
12-17-2007, 02:08 PM
The bar that Drew and his wife Kathleen owned was named Suds Pub
(if I remember correctly) and it was located in Montgomery.
SeriouslySearching
12-17-2007, 02:10 PM
The bar that Drew and his wife Kathleen owned was named Suds Pub
(if I remember correctly) and it was located in Montgomery.Yes, you are correct.
DeltaDawn
12-17-2007, 03:05 PM
Since LEO' is a bar and grill..if they serve food would they not be allowed to serve drinks on Sunday?
I removed drunk and changed it to a couple of drinks..my bad..I do not want to present Tom in a bad light. I think that if he had not been drinking for 10 years, that for him to even have one drink would be out of character for him now. I think that shows how shook up and scared Tom must have been. Can't even imagine what a horrible thing that would have been..to realize yuor sister-in- law may be in a container you are moving..ugh!
dee10134
12-17-2007, 03:36 PM
I tried to find the hours for Leo's, but couldn't. So if that is the bar Drew used to own, it's possible he may know about or even have created a hidden cubby or recess, or hollow wall when he owned it (sounds nutty, I know, but this guy is insane, IMO). He could have picked the locks that Sunday night if the bar was closed. It's a longshot, but something that you'd think police would check, just in case. They are in the habit of checking possibilities, no matter how far fetched.
DP never owned Leo's. He owned a bar further north of Leo's.
As far as hours go, I'm pretty sure that Leo's opens around 8 or 9 am and closes around 2 am 7 days a week. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's got a 2 am liquor license.
dee10134
12-17-2007, 03:37 PM
Helloooooooo SuziQ, I remember reading that DP SOLD 'Leo's' some time ago. Am I wrong?
Would be interesting to see WHO owns Leo's now? What are Leo's hours of business? They [Leo's Bar] would NOT be open on a Sunday night - am I right ?. Were the locks changed when ownership changed?
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DP NEVER owned Leo's. He had a bar further north.
Yes, Leo's IS open on a Sunday night. I believe they're open 7 days a week, from 8 or 9 am until 2 am.
JustJax
12-17-2007, 03:41 PM
Are bars not open on Sunday nights in IL? Guess that would dispel any theory that Drew had Tom out drinking alcohol. (Again, Walter did not say he was drunk!! I think he took the shots or drink when he arrived home.)
Yes they are open Sundays, and fall thru Super Bowl are more packed with folks out to watch the football games. I was in one not far from where they are searching after a wake last night and I was suprized how packed the place was.
I have been to Leo's a few times. Just this past fall we stopped there on a Sunday after a Historic Re-inactment just down the road about 2 blocks that was staged at a forest preserve. In fact that is a place that came to mind when I had heard they were searching water ways.
This little preserve goes back quite a ways and has numerous bodies of water tucked back in secluded areas.
dee10134
12-17-2007, 03:41 PM
Since LEO' is a bar and grill..if they serve food would they not be allowed to serve drinks on Sunday?
I removed drunk and changed it to a couple of drinks..my bad..I do not want to present Tom in a bad light. I think that if he had not been drinking for 10 years, that for him to even have one drink would be out of character for him now. I think that shows how shook up and scared Tom must have been. Can't even imagine what a horrible thing that would have been..to realize yuor sister-in- law may be in a container you are moving..ugh!
Will County is NOT a dry county and alcohol can be served/sold on ANY day of the week.
Just an interesting tidbit of information: Leo's is a major jumping off point for bikers that participate in Chicago's Toys for Tots Parade (which is always held the first Sunday of December). They get there early and then come back to Leo's after the parade. Not saying it's a "biker bar" or anything like that; I'm just saying that it's a popular spot on Sundays, especially parade days or when other events are occurring in the area.
DeltaDawn
12-17-2007, 07:54 PM
Will County is NOT a dry county and alcohol can be served/sold on ANY day of the week.
Just an interesting tidbit of information: Leo's is a major jumping off point for bikers that participate in Chicago's Toys for Tots Parade (which is always held the first Sunday of December). They get there early and then come back to Leo's after the parade. Not saying it's a "biker bar" or anything like that; I'm just saying that it's a popular spot on Sundays, especially parade days or when other events are occurring in the area.
Thanks for that info Dee..then this may well be an area that Drew was very familiar with and knew that on a Sunday eveining at 11:30 not too many people would be out and about around the canal....
Is that an accurate assumption Dee?
RandyMucha
12-18-2007, 01:10 PM
I just got back from the canal. FBI has a pretty cool rather sophisticated looking command vehicle set up under the bridge at the canal today. A number of cars are there. Nobody on the water except for barges and a couple of tugs. I wonder if they are waiting for some watercraft to arrive.
Here is the command vehicle: http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/MuchaCanal121807-17.jpg (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/MuchaCanal121807-17.jpg)
Here are the rest of the pics from today:
http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/ (http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/)
mysteriew
12-18-2007, 01:28 PM
Thank you for the pictures Randy. Media is mentioning the search so seldom it is often hard to remember that LE is still actively searching. So your pictures are always encouraging.
SuziQ
12-18-2007, 01:47 PM
Randy, Thank you. Seeing the FBI command center at the waterfront is very encouraging. I notice on the white boat/tug, that it says MV Buster. What is an MV Buster? I noticed that they are out of St. Louis, Mo.
RandyMucha
12-18-2007, 01:50 PM
I am guessing that it is just the name of the tug boat.
robthomaseyes
12-18-2007, 01:52 PM
I am guessing that it is just the name of the tug boat.
Yes, it's the name of the boat, which is made by BWTF (Buster Wants to Fish).
http://busterwantstofish.com/?p=332
dee10134
12-18-2007, 02:15 PM
Thanks for that info Dee..then this may well be an area that Drew was very familiar with and knew that on a Sunday eveining at 11:30 not too many people would be out and about around the canal....
Is that an accurate assumption Dee?
Not too many people are out and about around the canal in the first place. Maybe only barges in the canal, but just regular citizens don't really have access to the canal.
Leila
12-18-2007, 02:20 PM
Well depending on the timeline we have been given through leaks etc..it maybe just enough off to not support that info SS.
I am thinking that Drew had to give Tom the booze because Tom would not have had any in his house. Also the pills I am sure Drew provided to Tom so he could possibly od. Drew reads people very well, especially those close to him.
Maybe the timeline is off just enough for that little trip to LEO's to take place. The car moving may not have been that neccessary at that point. The car was already at the airport (per Drew saying that is where Stacy told him she left it)..so maybe it never was returned until after Drew disposed of the body.
But I also want to ask who was the person and what blog where we first heard of Drew's brother trying to commit suicide after the event. It was very early on and I am thinking whoever that was, I would love to read their more recent posts. Was it Greta, Steve's or Cassandra's? When that was put out there it was not beleived ..now we know it was true...maybe they have shared more info and we weren't aware?
The very first mention of a brother committing suicide came from a rumor reported on Gretawire. The rumor stated that DP's brother had attempted to commit suicide and was in St. Joe Hospital. Then, Greta posted that they (her team) had checked out the rumor and found that it wasn't true. At that time, the only brother known was Paul Peterson.
After that, there was nothing until the report that DP's step-brother, Thomas Morphey, was the mystery man who helped DP load the blue barrel into the Denali, and that he was so distraught that he attempted suicide the day after helping DP.
Leila
12-18-2007, 02:25 PM
I just got back from the canal. FBI has a pretty cool rather sophisticated looking command vehicle set up under the bridge at the canal today. A number of cars are there. Nobody on the water except for barges and a couple of tugs. I wonder if they are waiting for some watercraft to arrive.
Here is the command vehicle: http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/MuchaCanal121807-17.jpg (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/MuchaCanal121807-17.jpg)
Here are the rest of the pics from today:
http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/ (http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/)
Randy,
That is a pretty sophisticated command post. What is the thing on the back that's got a spiral of red going up it? A radar array?
SuziQ
12-18-2007, 02:27 PM
The very first mention of a brother committing suicide came from a rumor reported on Gretawire. The rumor stated that DP's brother had attempted to commit suicide and was in St. Joe Hospital. Then, Greta posted that they (her team) had checked out the rumor and found that it wasn't true. At that time, the only brother known was Paul Peterson.
After that, there was nothing until the report that DP's step-brother, Thomas Morphey, was the mystery man who helped DP load the blue barrel into the Denali, and that he was so distraught that he attempted suicide the day after helping DP.
It was actually posted by Flo at topix below is her posts and Greta's posts.
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http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbroo...im-of-betrayal (http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbrook-il/2007/11/cop-once-fired-over-claim-of-betrayal)
Sunday Nov 11
I heard that drew's bro flipped while bing interviewed and is now on the 2nd floor at st joe's hosp. the brother confessed to helping drew stuff the body in a 55gal drum and pouring concrete in with it..then they dumped her in a body of water, but he couldn't remember where.
Monday Nov 12
cant reveal my source but it is someone very very close to the investigation..also found out that it was actually a 30gal plastic drum
Monday Nov 12
I thimk they want 2 find the body first
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Here is the Post Greta made:
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11...etersons-home/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2007/11/12/email-from-fncs-jeff-goldblatt-outside-sgt-petersons-home/)
by Greta Van Susteren
Email just received from FNC’s Jeff Goldblatt:
The email below is to just give you the behind the scenes…it takes you inside our work….and also note how rumors arise, and we are compelled to chase them down ….just in case they are true….also make sure you read my note after Jeff’s email:
From: Goldblatt, Jeff
To: Van Susteren, Greta
Sent: Mon Nov 12 11:39:30 2007
Subject: Morning
There is rampant speculation out here in Bolingbrook among some of my competitors covering this story. The latest rumor: that a relative or friend of Drew Peterson has committed suicide, because the heat of police questioning got to him. It’s mind boggling how misinformation gets spread on some of these stories. Then again, it’s our business to gather information, and you still have to turn a story, even when police aren’t talking.
FYI: the Will County State’s Attorney will not reveal when the exhumation of the body of Kathleen Savio will take place. However, it seems as if today is unlikely, because of the observance of Veteran’s Day. Typically, this is a day for families to visit cemeteries to pay respects to loved ones, and it seems implausible that a high-profile exhumation would take place, and potentially disrupt those visiting other gravesites.
Have a good one…
Note: Jeff emailed me again to make sure you know that neither Sgt. Peterson’s brother nor Ric Mims (his friend) is dead. The above is meant just to show you how rumors send us scrambling…
SeriouslySearching
12-18-2007, 02:34 PM
The command post is impressive. Maybe they just got tired of being so cold.
Great photos, Randy! Thanks!
Could Drew have had access to railroad cars, too?
curiositycat
12-18-2007, 03:21 PM
I just got back from the canal. FBI has a pretty cool rather sophisticated looking command vehicle set up under the bridge at the canal today. A number of cars are there. Nobody on the water except for barges and a couple of tugs. I wonder if they are waiting for some watercraft to arrive.
Here is the command vehicle: http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/MuchaCanal121807-17.jpg (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/MuchaCanal121807-17.jpg)
Here are the rest of the pics from today:
http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/ (http://s244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/CanalDec18/)
I just want to chime in with the others and say THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Very nice of you to keep us all posted!:blowkiss:
SeriouslySearching
12-18-2007, 03:28 PM
Yes they are open Sundays, and fall thru Super Bowl are more packed with folks out to watch the football games. I was in one not far from where they are searching after a wake last night and I was suprized how packed the place was.
I have been to Leo's a few times. Just this past fall we stopped there on a Sunday after a Historic Re-inactment just down the road about 2 blocks that was staged at a forest preserve. In fact that is a place that came to mind when I had heard they were searching water ways.
This little preserve goes back quite a ways and has numerous bodies of water tucked back in secluded areas.Thanks, Spanky! Are you talking about the Duffy preserve? I believe they did search that area.
Do you happen to know what time the bars close? If it is 2:00am like it is here...then people would have been coming and going at 11:00pm from Leo's.
DeltaDawn
12-18-2007, 03:37 PM
Thanks Randy..I am surprised the FBI was involved with Stacy's search. I thought we had read earlier that the FBI was involved in Kathleen's ? I must have confused the two or are they working on both now?
JustJax
12-18-2007, 03:52 PM
Thanks, Spanky! Are you talking about the Duffy preserve? I believe they did search that area.
Do you happen to know what time the bars close? If it is 2:00am like it is here...then people would have been coming and going at 11:00pm from Leo's. I cant' think of the name of the place off the top of my head but I will find out as soon as I can get ahold of the friends we went there with, but I don't think it is Duffy. It's about 2 blocks east of Leo's on the same side of the street. They just built a beautiful new activity/information center there.
Most bars here close at 2am but there are a few that have 3am liscenses, but those are usualy on Friday and Saturday nights. It does cost a great deal to obtain permission for the 3am so I would assume it would not be cost effective to be open till 3 on a Sunday night.
SeriouslySearching
12-18-2007, 03:57 PM
There is also the Springbrook Prarie Forest Preserve closer to Naperville, IL.
Montrose Park is near Leo's next to the cemetary, but I don't see a preserve that close.
JustJax
12-18-2007, 04:17 PM
There is also the Springbrook Prarie Forest Preserve closer to Naperville, IL.
Montrose Park is near Leo's next to the cemetary, but I don't see a preserve that close.It's actually Romeoville where Leo's and this preserve are located. I am racking my brain right now but will give my firends a call later.
dee10134
12-18-2007, 04:48 PM
I cant' think of the name of the place off the top of my head but I will find out as soon as I can get ahold of the friends we went there with, but I don't think it is Duffy. It's about 2 blocks east of Leo's on the same side of the street. They just built a beautiful new activity/information center there.
Most bars here close at 2am but there are a few that have 3am liscenses, but those are usualy on Friday and Saturday nights. It does cost a great deal to obtain permission for the 3am so I would assume it would not be cost effective to be open till 3 on a Sunday night.
Spanky, are you talking about the Romeoville Prairie Nature Preserve? It's about 1/2 mile east of Route 53 on Romeo Road, right by Leo's.
JustJax
12-18-2007, 05:00 PM
Spanky, are you talking about the Romeoville Prairie Nature Preserve? It's about 1/2 mile east of Route 53 on Romeo Road, right by Leo's.Thank you! That is the place. We were there on a beautiful day and took a hike back in some secluded areas, which have many hidden bodies of water. Most of these areas are roped off but we snuck under the chains and went exploring. That day there was a pretty big event, Fur Trade re-enactment.
SuziQ
12-18-2007, 06:14 PM
Thanks Randy..I am surprised the FBI was involved with Stacy's search. I thought we had read earlier that the FBI was involved in Kathleen's ? I must have confused the two or are they working on both now?
From an article last week the FBI is here to investigate both cases. The article pointed out that they are to investigate Stacy's disappearance and to investigate the flawed initial investigation into Kathleen's death.
MysteryAddict
12-18-2007, 06:39 PM
On Greta's show last night, I was surprised to hear the opinion that the only clue leading to the search of the canal was a cell phone ping from Drew's phone!
I was hoping someone had reported seeing one of the cars in that vicinity!
We assume that Drew would be too smart to carry a turned on cell phone with him while dumping a dead body, don't we?
He's smart enough to send someone over there with his cell phone though to misdirect Le from his real position.
I hope I'm wrong about this.
Trino
12-18-2007, 06:58 PM
On Greta's show last night, I was surprised to hear the opinion that the only clue leading to the search of the canal was a cell phone ping from Drew's phone!
I was hoping someone had reported seeing one of the cars in that vicinity!
We assume that Drew would be too smart to carry a turned on cell phone with him while dumping a dead body, don't we?
He's smart enough to send someone over there with his cell phone though to misdirect Le from his real position. I hope I'm wrong about this.
I, too, think the canal search is a wild goose chase. I think everything DP did, assuming he murdered his wife, was carefully calculated, and the ping was also calculated. The "ping" is costing taxpayers millions for no Stacy.
Pharlap
12-18-2007, 07:13 PM
I believe the ping was the same time when Stacy's sister called Drew and did talk to him.
robthomaseyes
12-18-2007, 08:29 PM
On Greta's show last night, I was surprised to hear the opinion that the only clue leading to the search of the canal was a cell phone ping from Drew's phone!
I was hoping someone had reported seeing one of the cars in that vicinity!
We assume that Drew would be too smart to carry a turned on cell phone with him while dumping a dead body, don't we?
He's smart enough to send someone over there with his cell phone though to misdirect Le from his real position.
I hope I'm wrong about this.
I'm wondering where all the opinions about how "smart" he is are coming from? Based on WHAT??? The murder of Kathleen was sloppy, ill-planned, and if weren't for friends on the force and lazy cops, it would have been solved easily. He left BRUISES all over her! He allowed his wife to find him gone, and CALL HIM. he was caught undressing with a bag of womens' clothes!!! And this one isn't any better. He botched a first attempt with that gun. He messed up the timeline. He got caught by Cassandra's phone call. He allowed blue plastic to scratch his SUV. He got caught funneling money to his son. He got caught in a lie about where he was by Cassandra. The list goes on and on.
I honestly haven't seen ONE brilliant thing yet. Not one! Just speculation about how brilliant he "must" be. I don't mean to be offensive, I just don't get where this man is smart. Help me out!
thesleuther
12-18-2007, 08:43 PM
I'm wondering where all the opinions about how "smart" he is are coming from? Based on WHAT??? The murder of Kathleen was sloppy, ill-planned, and if weren't for friends on the force and lazy cops, it would have been solved easily. He left BRUISES all over her! He allowed his wife to find him gone, and CALL HIM. he was caught undressing with a bag of womens' clothes!!! And this one isn't any better. He botched a first attempt with that gun. He messed up the timeline. He got caught by Cassandra's phone call. He allowed blue plastic to scratch his SUV. He got caught funneling money to his son. He got caught in a lie about where he was by Cassandra. The list goes on and on.
I honestly haven't seen ONE brilliant thing yet. Not one! Just speculation about how brilliant he "must" be. I don't mean to be offensive, I just don't get where this man is smart. Help me out!
Well said!
MysteryAddict
12-18-2007, 08:53 PM
I'm wondering where all the opinions about how "smart" he is are coming from? Based on WHAT??? The murder of Kathleen was sloppy, ill-planned, and if weren't for friends on the force and lazy cops, it would have been solved easily. He left BRUISES all over her! He allowed his wife to find him gone, and CALL HIM. he was caught undressing with a bag of womens' clothes!!! And this one isn't any better. He botched a first attempt with that gun. He messed up the timeline. He got caught by Cassandra's phone call. He allowed blue plastic to scratch his SUV. He got caught funneling money to his son. He got caught in a lie about where he was by Cassandra. The list goes on and on.
I honestly haven't seen ONE brilliant thing yet. Not one! Just speculation about how brilliant he "must" be. I don't mean to be offensive, I just don't get where this man is smart. Help me out!
Well, I would have thought most cops had enough sense to turn off their cell while dumping a body, but let's hope you are right and Drew isn't so smart after all!!
Wudge
12-18-2007, 08:54 PM
SNIP
He left BRUISES all over her! He allowed his wife to find him gone, and CALL HIM. he was caught undressing with a bag of womens' clothes!!! And this one isn't any better. He botched a first attempt with that gun. He messed up the timeline. He got caught by Cassandra's phone call. He allowed blue plastic to scratch his SUV. He got caught funneling money to his son. He got caught in a lie about where he was by Cassandra. The list goes on and on.
I honestly haven't seen ONE brilliant thing yet. Not one! Just speculation about how brilliant he "must" be. I don't mean to be offensive, I just don't get where this man is smart. Help me out!
Making defamatory statements in a public forum is not smart either.
Littledeer
12-18-2007, 08:57 PM
There are different kinds of "smart" and different ways to be "smart". A psychologist might say that you thinking someone is "smart", is because your IQ level is lower, so you WOULD think that person is smart, even though he/she really is not, etc.
IF DP has gotten away with more than one murder in the last 10 years, than IMO he was smart, or, every one else was dumb.
He might have done some smart manuverings with Stacy, (i.e. the killing, the hiding of the body, etc.) but IMO, he also made some mistakes. The reason that DP is where he is right now, is because of Cassandra and the exhumation of Kathleen's body. Had neither of those events happened, DP could very well have been adding another murder on to another year and gotten away with it.
What is frustrating all of us, is not knowing how many "red herrings" DP has put out there to LE and all others that are so involved in this case. It is a very time consuming process to eliminate those "red herrings" that DP did put out.
Is that smart? Absolutely! (In a LE's/criminal's mind)
Sorry, I feel like I've been gone forever!! Gotta catch up!
biggirl
12-18-2007, 08:58 PM
Making defamatory statements in a public forum is not smart either.
I thought the whole point of WS was to discuss cases and investigations.
robthomaseyes
12-18-2007, 09:26 PM
There are different kinds of "smart" and different ways to be "smart". A psychologist might say that you thinking someone is "smart", is because your IQ level is lower, so you WOULD think that person is smart, even though he/she really is not, etc.
IF DP has gotten away with more than one murder in the last 10 years, than IMO he was smart, or, every one else was dumb.
He might have done some smart manuverings with Stacy, (i.e. the killing, the hiding of the body, etc.) but IMO, he also made some mistakes. The reason that DP is where he is right now, is because of Cassandra and the exhumation of Kathleen's body. Had neither of those events happened, DP could very well have been adding another murder on to another year and gotten away with it.
What is frustrating all of us, is not knowing how many "red herrings" DP has put out there to LE and all others that are so involved in this case. It is a very time consuming process to eliminate those "red herrings" that DP did put out.
Is that smart? Absolutely! (In a LE's/criminal's mind)
Sorry, I feel like I've been gone forever!! Gotta catch up!
I'm still not convinced they are red herrings. I don't see him as coming across as smart at all. Funny how he tried to put Stacy down as being less than intelligent, when that's how HE comes off.
chicoliving
12-18-2007, 09:41 PM
Just a reminder to discuss the topic not the posters.
Trino
12-18-2007, 09:44 PM
I'm still not convinced they are red herrings. I don't see him as coming across as smart at all. Funny how he tried to put Stacy down as being less than intelligent, when that's how HE comes off.
There are different types of "smart." I doubt that DP is Harvard smart but "street" smart, yes. Actually, maybe it's not exactly "street" smart but rather "on the job training" smart. He knows the criminal mind, knows what cops look for, knows the justice system. He's repeated these processes for 32 years. Maybe this is his final exam.
SuziQ
12-18-2007, 09:45 PM
Making defamatory statements in a public forum is not smart either.
Awwwww, thanks for caring.
Littledeer
12-18-2007, 10:26 PM
Trino:
That kind of smart too. I didn't add that to my "smart" posting above. But should have!! Thanks!
thesleuther
12-18-2007, 11:06 PM
I'm still not convinced they are red herrings. I don't see him as coming across as smart at all. Funny how he tried to put Stacy down as being less than intelligent, when that's how HE comes off.
You know, when he puts Stacy down it only makes himself look ignorant. If he's so bright, wonder why he didn't hook up with a neurosurgeon? If he's brilliant and Stacy was dumb, what on earth would they talk about? Everyone talks about what a dumbo Steve Carcerano is. Hey, these are Drew's people...the dumb attract the dumb. Why would Drew always choose such young women? Because they haven't accumulated worldly wisdom yet. What an idiot. Okay, Drew......sue me.
SeriouslySearching
12-18-2007, 11:22 PM
Water seeks its own level.
Littledeer
12-18-2007, 11:35 PM
Water also sinks to the lowest level! :)
Schmerty_Jones
12-19-2007, 12:12 AM
Awwwww, thanks for caring.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
SeriouslySearching
12-19-2007, 12:16 AM
Abusers usually can't marry older, intelligent women. We can see them coming from a mile away and won't fall for their BS.
philamena
12-19-2007, 12:21 AM
:clap:Ain't that the truth SeriouslySearching?!
There's something to be said for being a bit older and wiser.
SeriouslySearching
12-19-2007, 12:30 AM
:clap:Ain't that the truth SeriouslySearching?!
There's something to be said for being a bit older and wiser.The red flags wave above their heads and all the BS in the world can't change their true colors. : )
Schmerty_Jones
12-19-2007, 12:49 AM
The red flags wave above their heads and all the BS in the world can't change their true colors. : )
But before you get to older & wiser ....you have to tread carefully...there are serpents & warthogs waiting to pounce....If only older& wiser could walk with the bright & beautiful & steer them away from the devil's spawn...hmmmm
Camper
12-19-2007, 06:30 AM
I need some helppppp, I recall reading somewhere in the maze of information on this case that TOM 'helped stuff Stacy's body in the container'. I cannot remember which thread or where, and how or IF IF IF that was documented in SOME WAY!!!!!
Would he have been half crocked with alcohol when this happened, and did he help dump from the bridge at the Cal Sag area, MAYBE he was told where they were BUT that they were in reality somewhere else?
MIGHT he have been so gone that he dis remembered where they actually were or might he have been fed THAT specific info about WHERE they were?
FBI searching in such a BIG way at Cal Sag area, seems to have 'factual' info behind it, but what IF IF factual is only Toms version of factual in HIS condition, IF IF IF he was under the influence THAT night.
I just read Blue eyed girl22 (didn't get her hat right but) thread about her eerie feeling, I am wondering IF IF there is a bridge over the water in her NEW POSSIBLE location for finding Stacy????
Also wonder about the FBI, where did the mobile command unit come from, does it have men in it that are actually more local, and familiar with the area. I am guessing not. BEGRL22, may be on to something.
The FBI recently received 10 more of these mobile command units in connection with Homeland Security. Probably staffed by un local folks. Would be interesting to see how MANY local agents are in the unit that responded and is parked at Cal Sag. Randy??? Randy you need to read Blue eyed girl 22 thread about the location she found and get it to the FBI ASAP.
Here is a link about such units, scroll all the way to the very bottom to see this info.
http://www.gerlinggroup.com/deliveries.aspx
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Camper
12-19-2007, 06:41 AM
I just sent an email to Randy, he would have access to the FBI mobile unit.
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SuziQ
12-19-2007, 09:08 AM
I need some helppppp, I recall reading somewhere in the maze of information on this case that TOM 'helped stuff Stacy's body in the container'. I cannot remember which thread or where, and how or IF IF IF that was documented in SOME WAY!!!!!.
Good morning Camper! Below is the link to the posts that a person named Flo left at Topix. I think that's where Tom helping stuff Stacy's body into a container came from. Not a verified source though.
http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbroo...im-of-betrayal (http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbrook-il/2007/11/cop-once-fired-over-claim-of-betrayal)
Sunday Nov 11
I heard that drew's bro flipped while bing interviewed and is now on the 2nd floor at st joe's hosp. the brother confessed to helping drew stuff the body in a 55gal drum and pouring concrete in with it..then they dumped her in a body of water, but he couldn't remember where.
Monday Nov 12
cant reveal my source but it is someone very very close to the investigation..also found out that it was actually a 30gal plastic drum
Monday Nov 12
I thimk they want 2 find the body first
dee10134
12-19-2007, 09:39 AM
Making defamatory statements in a public forum is not smart either.
Ummm.... excuse me for asking, but what, exactly, is defamatory about what that person said?!? Everything s/he said is reiterated from the two cases.
:cool:
robthomaseyes
12-19-2007, 11:31 AM
Ummm.... excuse me for asking, but what, exactly, is defamatory about what that person said?!? Everything s/he said is reiterated from the two cases.
:cool:
Maybe he's upset because I stated that Drew doesn't seem very intelligent. Well, he doesn't. He sounds dopey to me. I have no problem disparaging the intelligence of a man who went on t.v. and did that very thing to his missing wife.
:crazy:
DeltaDawn
12-19-2007, 11:33 AM
The cell phone pinged in this area where they are searching.
Did you know that LE and FBI can attach software to a phone remotely and it becomes a listening device for them? The phone becomes a mike and you can hear conversations going on at that location.
BBPD has had training on this per a phone fornestic investagator.
This means Drew probably knew how that technology is used.
Then this means that may be why Stacy got another phone he was unaware of..because he at some point knew some exact phrasing in some conversation that Stacy had where he wasn't around. Maybe even with the pastor. So the shot fired from the bedroom into the garage was no accident. The second cell would end that problem. And the notes in his brief case on the cell phone calls may have had to do with specific conversations that she had with others, not just who she was speaking with on the phone. Maybe the racy messages between Scott R and Stacy were to see just how much equipt Drew had downloaded onto that phone..knowing Drew couldn't keep his mouth shut about something like those messages.
Also then Ric Mims, or was it Steve C, comment about Drew telling them to be quiet the house is bugged, may not be so far fetched to Drew then. Meaning if he could do that he knew so could LE.
Just some food for thought on the cell phone ping, bugging using cell phones, and Drew.
By the way, they have never found Stacy's computer and one of her phones have they?
Maybe Randy can elighten us on these proceedures using phones as remote listening devices?
Camper
12-19-2007, 01:14 PM
:angel: :D ! :silenced:
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curiositycat
12-19-2007, 01:36 PM
The cell phone pinged in this area where they are searching.
Did you know that LE and FBI can attach software to a phone remotely and it becomes a listening device for them? The phone becomes a mike and you can hear conversations going on at that location.
BBPD has had training on this per a phone fornestic investagator.
This means Drew probably knew how that technology is used.
Then this means that may be why Stacy got another phone he was unaware of..because he at some point knew some exact phrasing in some conversation that Stacy had where he wasn't around. Maybe even with the pastor. So the shot fired from the bedroom into the garage was no accident. The second cell would end that problem. And the notes in his brief case on the cell phone calls may have had to do with specific conversations that she had with others, not just who she was speaking with on the phone. Maybe the racy messages between Scott R and Stacy were to see just how much equipt Drew had downloaded onto that phone..knowing Drew couldn't keep his mouth shut about something like those messages.
Also then Ric Mims, or was it Steve C, comment about Drew telling them to be quiet the house is bugged, may not be so far fetched to Drew then. Meaning if he could do that he knew so could LE.
Just some food for thought on the cell phone ping, bugging using cell phones, and Drew.
By the way, they have never found Stacy's computer and one of her phones have they?
Maybe Randy can elighten us on these proceedures using phones as remote listening devices?
Great thinking DD! How did you know that DP had phone technology training this year?
I also think that her phone and laptop are possibly two of the things that went bye-bye with DP. I think he did that to make it look like she truly took off.
Great POST!:blowkiss:
Bigfoot
12-19-2007, 02:07 PM
Making defamatory statements in a public forum is not smart either.
Wudge, you're not really DP trying to defend himself, are you? What robthomaseyes said wasn't defamatory, just stating facts, imo.
Pharlap
12-19-2007, 02:10 PM
Wonder how many towers are within a 3 mile area of that ping. Anyone know?
Just got back running over there...
Man alot of frontage road he could of dumped Stacy.
Also went further down route53/66 and across the street from the Illinois State police station is a nature presure....
Tried to go in but a sign stopped me, no dogs allowed...had 2 with me..
Great noses...
It's the west side of the river....
Wonder if the police looked that over with there dogs...
Also not alot of taffic in that part of town. Got to be dead at night.
Bigfoot
12-19-2007, 02:14 PM
Wonder how many towers are within a 3 mile area of that ping. Anyone know?
Just got back running over there...
Man alot of frontage road he could of dumped Stacy.
Also went further down route53/66 and across the street from the Illinois State police station is a nature presure....
Tried to go in but a sign stopped me, no dogs allowed...had 2 with me..
Great noses...
It's the west side of the river....
Wonder if the police looked that over with there dogs...
Also not alot of taffic in that part of town. Got to be dead at night.
That area across from the ISP has been a dumping ground for bodies in the past, most recently a female that her drunken boyfriend has been convicted of murdering her.
i.b.nora
12-19-2007, 02:17 PM
"Stacy's sister Cassandra Cales says investigators are finished with one part of the canal.
"State police and the FBI have finished their search in the canal from lock to lock. And nothing came up. So they're focusing their search efforts elsewhere.""
Family Says Focus Of Stacy Peterson Search To Shift (http://www.wbbm780.com/Family-Says-Focus-Of-Stacy-Peterson-Search-To-Shif/1361680)
SeriouslySearching
12-19-2007, 04:15 PM
Good morning Camper! Below is the link to the posts that a person named Flo left at Topix. I think that's where Tom helping stuff Stacy's body into a container came from. Not a verified source though.
http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbroo...im-of-betrayal (http://www.topix.com/city/bolingbrook-il/2007/11/cop-once-fired-over-claim-of-betrayal)
Sunday Nov 11
I heard that drew's bro flipped while bing interviewed and is now on the 2nd floor at st joe's hosp. the brother confessed to helping drew stuff the body in a 55gal drum and pouring concrete in with it..then they dumped her in a body of water, but he couldn't remember where.
Monday Nov 12
cant reveal my source but it is someone very very close to the investigation..also found out that it was actually a 30gal plastic drum
Monday Nov 12
I thimk they want 2 find the body firstI KNEW I had read that somewhere before! Thanks for reminding me where! I was beginning to think I had dreamed it. LOL SEE, TG!! I am not going crazy! Uhm..crazier...that is! Whew!
Wudge
12-19-2007, 04:49 PM
Wudge, you're not really DP trying to defend himself, are you? What robthomaseyes said wasn't defamatory, just stating facts, imo.
He's presumed innocent, and there's not a shred of inculpatory evidence that anyone can cite.
DeltaDawn
12-19-2007, 04:52 PM
Great thinking DD! How did you know that DP had phone technology training this year?
I also think that her phone and laptop are possibly two of the things that went bye-bye with DP. I think he did that to make it look like she truly took off.
Great POST!:blowkiss:
Go to the link below. Once you get there you will see a wealth of info. Click on the link there that takes you to who thier past clients were...BBPD is listed.
I didn't say that Drew specifically had this training but, that BBPD did. That means that someone else in BBPD may have hooked up the system..but my bet is Drew used it. That may also play into the Chiefs view that Drew was doing some unethical things on BBPD time (and now my guess would be equipt to).
http://www.smartphoneforensics.com/Default.aspx
curiositycat
12-19-2007, 04:53 PM
Go to the link below. Once you get there you will see a wealth of info. Click on the link there that takes you to who thier past clients were...BBPD is listed.
I didn't say that Drew specifically had this training but, that BBPD did. That means that someone else in BBPD may have hooked up the system..but my bet is Drew used it. That may also play into the Chiefs view that Drew was doing some unethical things on BBPD time and equipt
http://www.smartphoneforensics.com/Default.aspx
Thank-you!
curiositycat
12-19-2007, 04:55 PM
He's presumed innocent, and there's not a shred of inculpatory evidence that anyone can cite.
OJ was presumed innocent also. Your point???
SuziQ
12-19-2007, 05:01 PM
Go to the link below. Once you get there you will see a wealth of info. Click on the link there that takes you to who thier past clients were...BBPD is listed.
I didn't say that Drew specifically had this training but, that BBPD did. That means that someone else in BBPD may have hooked up the system..but my bet is Drew used it. That may also play into the Chiefs view that Drew was doing some unethical things on BBPD time (and now my guess would be equipt to).
http://www.smartphoneforensics.com/Default.aspx
I can see Drew using whatever resources he had available to stalk and harrass. I bet he was the first one who signed up!
DeltaDawn
12-19-2007, 05:06 PM
I can see Drew using whatever resources he had available to stalk and harrass. I bet he was the first one who signed up!
I bet he was too, SuzyQ. He probably couldn't wait to get his hands on that technology. He probably had lots of fun with it too. They also have the boys computers and I wouldn't have put it past Drew to also be spying on them..making sure not too much of the family disfunction was getting out over the phone or the internet.
That Drew just love's to have everybody right under his thumb.
Tom'sGirl
12-19-2007, 05:19 PM
I KNEW I had read that somewhere before! Thanks for reminding me where! I was beginning to think I had dreamed it. LOL SEE, TG!! I am not going crazy! Uhm..crazier...that is! Whew!
LOL, did I ever say you were? :D
Taximom
12-19-2007, 05:28 PM
Shoot, I thought there was news on the search with all the activity over here. :(
i.b.nora
12-19-2007, 05:38 PM
"Stacy's sister Cassandra Cales says investigators are finished with one part of the canal.
"State police and the FBI have finished their search in the canal from lock to lock. And nothing came up. So they're focusing their search efforts elsewhere.""
Family Says Focus Of Stacy Peterson Search To Shift (http://www.wbbm780.com/Family-Says-Focus-Of-Stacy-Peterson-Search-To-Shif/1361680)
Everyone seems to have missed this. The search is over in this particular area.
Wudge
12-19-2007, 05:38 PM
OJ was presumed innocent also. Your point???
LAPD thought it would be smart to frame a guilty man. Along with incompetent prosecutors and witness perjury, OJ was set free despite the existence of substantial inculpatory evidence. There's none in this case that anyone knows of.
Camper
12-19-2007, 05:44 PM
He's presumed innocent, and there's not a shred of inculpatory evidence that anyone can cite.
--->>>That is a pretty BROAD statement, cuz it ain't over yet. WE have not heard from all of the 'anyone' population YET.
WE have not heard the GJ testimony.
Yep DP is innocent, thats why they called in the FBI, and the ISP.
Plus most gentlemen who are on their fourth wife, will also have the other three still living, and they would be happily eating din din with the fourth. :blowkiss:
Sandys dog would say ARF.
Book writers should wait until the Farm vote is in, OR change the characters names and some of the crime scenarios.
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Taximom
12-19-2007, 05:46 PM
This thread keeps bumping up for no reason since nobody has talked about the Cal-Sag search in a few posts. Can this discussion be taken elsewhere?
Wudge
12-19-2007, 05:56 PM
--->>>That is a pretty BROAD statement, cuz it ain't over yet. WE have not heard from all of the 'anyone' population YET.
WE have not heard the GJ testimony.
Yep DP is innocent, thats why they called in the FBI, and the ISP.
SNIP
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Correct. They hope the FBI might find evidence of a crime, which is what LE has not been able to find (including the canel search).
curiositycat
12-19-2007, 06:10 PM
LAPD thought it would be smart to frame a guilty man. Along with incompetent prosecutors and witness perjury, OJ was set free despite the existence of substantial inculpatory evidence. There's none in this case that anyone knows of.
Lordy, Lordy! Then how do you explain the long list of women who claim DP abused them? Who do you think killed Kathy Savio, because we have Dr. Baden stating it was homicide?
Why did Stacy want a divorce if everything was GREAT with DP? Is the pastor lying? What would be his motive?
Don't reply "That doesn't prove murder"
It at least proves that DP is a self centered serial abuser of women. It proves he is a cheat and it proves that he has no morals.
The only person that has said ANYTHING good about DP is Steve and YOU!
I keep thinking "Where there is smoke, there is fire"
Wudge
12-19-2007, 06:26 PM
Lordy, Lordy! Then how do you explain the long list of women who claim DP abused them? Who do you think killed Kathy Savio, because we have Dr. Baden stating it was homicide?
Why did Stacy want a divorce if everything was GREAT with DP? Is the pastor lying? What would be his motive?
Don't reply "That doesn't prove murder"
It at least proves that DP is a self centered serial abuser of women. It proves he is a cheat and it proves that he has no morals.
The only person that has said ANYTHING good about DP is Steve and YOU!
I keep thinking "Where there is smoke, there is fire"
Right now, it seems there might be dueling medical examiners as regards Kathleen's death.
Even if all of the medical examiners were to agree that Kathleen was murdered, the D.A. would still need hard evidence that Drew murdered her. However, Stacy gave him a strong alibi. She is not around to modify anything. Moreover, the storyline she allegedly gave to the pastor is twice-removed hearsay. It's inadmissable.
Net, no inculpatory evidence exists that anyone knows of.
chicoliving
12-19-2007, 06:27 PM
Merry Christmas Wudge! :) :D :p
Pharlap
12-19-2007, 06:28 PM
Lordy, Lordy! Then how do you explain the long list of women who claim DP abused them? Who do you think killed Kathy Savio, because we have Dr. Baden stating it was homicide?
Why did Stacy want a divorce if everything was GREAT with DP? Is the pastor lying? What would be his motive?
Don't reply "That doesn't prove murder"
It at least proves that DP is a self centered serial abuser of women. It proves he is a cheat and it proves that he has no morals.
The only person that has said ANYTHING good about DP is Steve and YOU!
I keep thinking "Where there is smoke, there is fire"
I say try not to play into Wedges posts.......
I disregard them.......
Wudge
12-19-2007, 06:34 PM
Merry Christmas Wudge! :) :D :p
Thank you Chico. Happy holidays to you and yours.
(for auld lang syne)
chicoliving
12-19-2007, 06:41 PM
Thank you Chico. Happy holidays to you and yours.
(for auld lang syne)
Now there's waterworks. Love ya Wudge!
SuziQ
12-19-2007, 07:36 PM
This thread keeps bumping up for no reason since nobody has talked about the Cal-Sag search in a few posts. Can this discussion be taken elsewhere?
I agree.
Wudge, can you please open your own thread to argue your innocent until guilty obsession? You make valid points, but you are making them in the wrong discussion.
philamena
12-20-2007, 12:22 AM
--->>>That is a pretty BROAD statement, cuz it ain't over yet. WE have not heard from all of the 'anyone' population YET.
WE have not heard the GJ testimony.
Yep DP is innocent, thats why they called in the FBI, and the ISP.
.......
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:p:clap:
I only quoted a snippet of it but that was a great post Ms. Camper.
philamena
12-20-2007, 12:24 AM
Correct. They hope the FBI might find evidence of a crime, which is what LE has not been able to find (including the canel search).
Wudge darling,
If LE has NO evidence of a crime, then why did LE say that the items confiscated from the Peterson home can't be returned?
Wudge
12-20-2007, 06:54 AM
Wudge darling,
If LE has NO evidence of a crime, then why did LE say that the items confiscated from the Peterson home can't be returned?
The investigation is on going. Hope springs eternal; e.g. they failed to find a body in one channel, so they continue looking in a different body of water.
ThoughtFox
12-20-2007, 07:56 AM
On another thread, they are discussing the "other" places where searches might begin now, such as rock quarries in the area.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57559&page=2
I posted these pictures over there - not very far from the Canal Search:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/PlainfieldIllinois2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/sip44/PlainfieldIllinois.jpg
Maybe he's upset because I stated that Drew doesn't seem very intelligent. Well, he doesn't. He sounds dopey to me. I have no problem disparaging the intelligence of a man who went on t.v. and did that very thing to his missing wife.
:crazy:
Sometimes there is a mistaken idea that someone is "intelligent" because they get away with their crimes for so long, and there is this idea that it means he's committed "perfect crimes." But there's no such thing.
Really with Drew, it is more the fact that he was a policeman with alot of friends, which made him "seem" above reproach. People don't like to see their legal defenders in Law Enforcement as possible criminals.
But again - that's not about his intelligence.
The only thing he's good at that I can see is fooling young girls into marrying him, and then disparaging them along with their family and friends for the rest of the marriage. No one is ever "good enough" for his standards, and everyone is a mental case - except him. :slap: In that respect, he sounds just like Scott Peterson.
Trino
12-20-2007, 09:01 AM
Apparently, in the US there is the "perfect crime." Websleuths and Cold Cases show that.
"In 2004, there were 16,137 cases of murder or nonnegligent manslaughter in the United States. Because 37.4% of these cases went uncleared, around 6,035 people "got away with murder" that year."
http://ask.yahoo.com/20060531.html
SuziQ
12-20-2007, 09:38 AM
Divers hunting for missing Bolingbrook mom Stacy Peterson have ended their search of the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal near Romeoville, police said Wednesday.(more at link)
http://www.suntimes.com/news/peterson/706242,CST-NWS-boling20.stng
DeltaDawn
12-20-2007, 01:37 PM
I wonder if they did find any evidence in the canal and just aren't letting it out at this point?
I also wonder why they feel she is in water..they are continuing to have divers check other water areas?
panthera
12-20-2007, 01:47 PM
I wonder if they did find any evidence in the canal and just aren't letting it out at this point?
I also wonder why they feel she is in water..they are continuing to have divers check other water areas?
DP's scuba weights are also missing. They think he may have used them to weigh down her body in water. :o
DeltaDawn
12-20-2007, 02:04 PM
DP's scuba weights are also missing. They think he may have used them to weigh down her body in water. :o
Thanks ..I am still hoping that they got some evidence, no matter how minute, out of that canal..just hoping they have more info and evidence then we know about.
I was also wondering since he did answer Cassandra's call, if he didn't think that the location he was currently at was not going to work. Maybe he didn't have her out of the car and in the canal yet? So he may have gone in a whole new direction for disposing of the body?
panthera
12-20-2007, 02:11 PM
Thanks ..I am still hoping that they got some evidence, no matter how minute, out of that canal..just hoping they have more info and evidence then we know about.
I was also wondering since he did answer Cassandra's call, if he didn't think that the location he was currently at was not going to work. Maybe he didn't have her out of the car and in the canal yet? So he may have gone in a whole new direction for disposing of the body?
That's why I think she's somewhere else too. Maybe after getting that call he knew the location could be traced and he went in another direction and could've turned the phone off?
robthomaseyes
12-20-2007, 02:14 PM
DP's scuba weights are also missing. They think he may have used them to weigh down her body in water. :o
Maybe she took the scuba weights with her to Jamaica. ;)
panthera
12-20-2007, 02:16 PM
Maybe she took the scuba weights with her to Jamaica. ;)
Now why didn't I think of that! Of course that's where they are! :D
Littledeer
12-20-2007, 08:58 PM
Now that it is officially over with at one part of the "channel", I am wondering if LE will really think that moving to any other area, might be the difference in finding Stacy or not??
If the "ping" was the reason for the search to be centered at this location, and yet nothing was found, what are their options? Rethink how far a "ping" can be? Think that maybe it was a "red herring" from DP?
Personally, I would bring DP in for some official questioning!! They have a lot of "circumstantial evidence" and some hard concrete evidence.
SeriouslySearching
12-20-2007, 09:38 PM
I believe that Brodsky has said when DP went in the first time...it was his "formal questioning" and so they don't have a right to bring him back in....but I could again be wrong about that.
I am beginning to believe it is true that DP might have left a lot of "red herrings" as a poster stated early on.
Littledeer
12-20-2007, 10:08 PM
SS:
I've been harping on "red herrings" for some time now. Obviously, with all the manpower, money, time, etc. etc. etc. at the Cal Sag channel, to end with no Stacy??
These are experts here, either it was not at the "exact" location where Stacy is at..............or it is a "red herring".
i.b.nora
12-20-2007, 10:59 PM
I think that they are trying to make use of the sonar technology while they have it.
So, it seems they will be looking at other water areas about which they have gotten tips.
SeriouslySearching
12-21-2007, 01:04 AM
SS:
I've been harping on "red herrings" for some time now. Obviously, with all the manpower, money, time, etc. etc. etc. at the Cal Sag channel, to end with no Stacy??
These are experts here, either it was not at the "exact" location where Stacy is at..............or it is a "red herring".LOL Oh that was you!! Well, I think you could be right. As long as they have reason to believe there is cause to search...they will...even if they think it is another "red herring". They have to be certain. To find out where Stacy is...first they have to know where she is not.
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