Maricopa Jane Doe 1999 Thread #2

[Angie4b1g]

Link to the first thread http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43813

Continue!

[richandfamous]

Thank you for the new thread! I wonder if we could get a copy of the ME report? Someone that lives in Phoenix could pick it up.

[Angie4b1g]

That would be fabulous! Anyone?

[believe09]

I am in the process of constructing a letter to send to the local media to see if we can get any investigative interest in this case-I will post it when it is done, ok?

[believe09]

Here is what I sent to the Arizona Republic:

To Whom It May Concern;

I am a volunteer on a crime solving blog that dedicates itself to locating missing persons and identifying the unidentified. In 1999, a beautiful young girl was thrown, pushed or jumped out of a moving vehicle along highway I-10 around milepost 173. The people in the vehicle came forward and indicated that she was a hitchiker they had picked up at a convenience store and agreed to take through Arizona. Although the driver of the car, a male, had a criminal history there was not enough information either about the victim or the circumstances to file charges. The girl lived for a day and never spoke during that time frame. Her cause of death appears to have been internal head and abdominal injuries.

There is no doubt that with a push from local or national media, this little girl can be brought home to the family that may have lost track of her, and the individual or individuals that may have perpetrated a crime can be brought to justice. I urge you to take some time to look into the information surrounding this very compelling case-surely someone out in your section of the country knows something that can bring this case to a conclusion. There seems to be little appetite on the part of law enforcement.

Here are some links that will give you some information:
(check the archives for the story on "Jane Doe".)
(edited to remove photo links)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43813
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57369

If there is any further information I can provide, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,
believe09

[Angie4b1g]

That's great!!!

[believe09]

That's great!!!

:blowkiss:

I am going to hit a few other local papers with the same letter...let me know if you have any other suggestions for contacts that might do a little digging in this case.

[christine2448]

Fanastic letter!

[believe09]

Fanastic letter!

I learn from you guys....:blushing:

[rccook555]

Here is what I sent to the Arizona Republic:

To Whom It May Concern;

I am a volunteer on a crime solving blog that dedicates itself to locating missing persons and identifying the unidentified. In 1999, a beautiful young girl was thrown, pushed or jumped out of a moving vehicle along highway I-10 around milepost 173. The people in the vehicle came forward and indicated that she was a hitchiker they had picked up at a convenience store and agreed to take through Arizona. Although the driver of the car, a male, had a criminal history there was not enough information either about the victim or the circumstances to file charges. The girl lived for a day and never spoke during that time frame. Her cause of death appears to have been internal head and abdominal injuries.

There is no doubt that with a push from local or national media, this little girl can be brought home to the family that may have lost track of her, and the individual or individuals that may have perpetrated a crime can be brought to justice. I urge you to take some time to look into the information surrounding this very compelling case-surely someone out in your section of the country knows something that can bring this case to a conclusion. There seems to be little appetite on the part of law enforcement.

Here are some links that will give you some information:

[/URL] (check the archives for the story on "Jane Doe".)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43813 (http://www.truecrimediary.com/home/)
[URL]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57369

If there is any further information I can provide, please don't hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,
believe09


Any updates on this case? Thanks!!

[BeavisMom62]

I feel so sorry for her. I've been following this but it seems to have stalled. As rccook wonders, are there any updates?

[Salem]

Believe - a wonderful letter!!! I hope it gets some results. Any chance Greta or Nancy would do a spot on this case?

Salem

[annemc2]

Doenetwork has an updated composite of Maricopa Jane Doe (1/5/08)

[Zanko]

Doenetwork has an updated composite of Maricopa Jane Doe (1/5/08)



This composite was removed from the Maricopa ME's site. I wonder why the Doe Network put it up but didn't update the case information? The ME's office provided more details.

[Angel4Alpha]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2025dfaz.html Heather Lindsay Silver


I noticed this one from the other thread on this and wondered if it had ever been checked - didnt see anything on it to about half way through that thread.

If her hair was dyed blonde and her eyebrows tweaked shed look quite like like this to me easy to lose some weight being a runnaway too. Shes a missing runaway from 1997 in tuscon arizona.

[believe09]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2025dfaz.html Heather Lindsay Silver



I noticed this one from the other thread on this and wondered if it had ever been checked - didnt see anything on it to about half way through that thread.

If her hair was dyed blonde and her eyebrows tweaked shed look quite like like this to me easy to lose some weight being a runnaway too. Shes a missing runaway from 1997 in tuscon arizona.

i actually have liked her for Jane Doe-I can't remember if LE ruled her out??

[Mr. E]

From the Maricopa website:
The markings around her mouth in the enclosed photos pertain to medical treatment just prior to death and are NOT scars or identifying features that she would have had.

I assume they are talking about the scar on her cheek. How would they know this? Is there some way of telling whether a scar is medical or not, or how long a person has had it?

[ASU2USC]

From the Maricopa website:


I assume they are talking about the scar on her cheek. How would they know this? Is there some way of telling whether a scar is medical or not, or how long a person has had it?

The markings don't look like a scar to me - it looks like scrapes, bruises and swellings. I assume that, since the police took her to the hospital, the hospital knew what treatment she had been given prior to her death and doctors were able to communicate that information to the ME.

[SouthernCharm]

Hi everyone! First time poster, long time lurker. I was going through The Doe Network pictures and come accross this one.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2219dfbc.html

Has she been ruled out? I looked through several pages but wasn't able to find any information on this doe posted here. Sorry in advance if she been looked at before concerning this case.

[believe09]

The markings don't look like a scar to me - it looks like scrapes, bruises and swellings. I assume that, since the police took her to the hospital, the hospital knew what treatment she had been given prior to her death and doctors were able to communicate that information to the ME.


Actually it looks like saliva from the removal of her breathing tube to me...

[phenolred]

From the Maricopa website:

Quote:
The markings around her mouth in the enclosed photos pertain to medical treatment just prior to death and are NOT SCARS or identifying features that she would have had.
I think they were trying to clear up all the discussion about the "scars" on her face......By telling us these WERE NOT SCARS.

I think it is the sticky remeants of the medical tape that they use to hold down the tubes etc

[Teresa Larson]

That is correct they are NOT scars I got this information from the coroners office: I can tell you that it is NOT accurate that she has a scar across her face. Her face is slightly disfigured in the photo due to the placement of the endotracheal tube during her hospital stay. Everything that we know and can discuss at this time is posted on the unidentified website

[absinthe]

Maricopa Doe has been on my mind the past few days. Saying a little prayer for her.

[Angie4b1g]

Mine, too. I wish there was something I could do, but I just don't know what.

[dee10134]

I've been thinking about her too. I wish that there was some kind of break in this case. I've been following it for a while.

I don't understand how there seemingly are no family or friends that are missing her. I know she has got to be someone's daughter, granddaughter, niece, sister, cousin, etc.!

Why isn't anyone missing her?!

[Zanko]

I would really like to see someone who knows how to set up a good website, set up one for this child. I came across a website about "the boy in the box" that was set up like I'd like to see for Maricopa Jane Doe. It has everything about the case and is organized well. You can find it at http://americasunknownchild.net/ It gives a case summary, links about the case, pictures, maps, newspaper articles, posters, events, updates, and so on. I don't know the first thing about doing a website like this and I know it cost some money. There could be a paypal account for donations at the website to allow for support of the website. People could donate even a couple of dollars. Anybody have the skill and know how to do a website like this for Maricopa Jane Doe?

[absinthe]

That's a wonderful idea Zanko. I don't have any computer skills myself, but I would love to help.

[Angie4b1g]

I would be willing to do that, but it wouldn't be up tomorrow or anything. It might take me some time.

[kaylenbabysims]

Stats are all off from Jane does But just in case -
Amber Rae Sage - Tried to search the name on here but didnt get anything.... She might of been suggested before..

http://www.nampn.org/cases/sage.html

[dee10134]

Stats are all off from Jane does But just in case -
Amber Rae Sage - Tried to search the name on here but didnt get anything.... She might of been suggested before..

http://www.nampn.org/cases/sage.html

They have a very similar chin and jaw structure...

[absinthe]

Bump for my little mariposa...

[dee10134]

Me too! I'm saying a little prayer for her.

[believe09]

her listed height is too tall, but check out the nose and jaw line...
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=852270&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

[Tom Friendly]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1066864&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[/URL]http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1077218&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1066864&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)[URL="http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1066864"] (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a318/annemc2/228UFAZ2-Copy-Copy.jpg)

[believe09]

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1066864&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1077218&orgPrefix=NCMA&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

Thank you Tomfriendly! I have always liked Kim Riley-not sure if we ruled her out. The other missing you show had brown eyes and our Jane Doe has blue....

[absinthe]

her listed height is too tall, but check out the nose and jaw line...
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=852270&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

Tera has the same heart shaped face! There's not a lot of information on that page...it sounds like a suspected abduction, not a runaway situation. I wonder how correct the height is.

[Fairy1]

Bumping for this little girl.

[Angelray]

Hi everyone, Is there a list of people that have been ruled out as being this little girl?

[JinxieJada]

Wouldn't that begin to rule out some of these? Or am I missing how DNA works in situations like these? (I'm DNA illiterate!) Even if the family didn't have ready accessibility,didn't grab DNA, some of the cases are too old etc. Can't DNA be taken from the family and compared against Jane doe? Also, isn't a tatoo, something that would be in a missing person's report? Or not usually?


Again, sorry if it's a redundant question. I'm just trying to make sure I understand correctly and if I' don't, that I learn the correct ways it does!

Thanks!!:blowkiss:

[lorelei]

Hi everyone, Is there a list of people that have been ruled out as being this little girl?

I have been wondering the same thing. I found one list from August of last year on the other thread- I'll try to copy the post here (post is from Christine2448, post #395 pg 16 of the old thread).
It doesn't have info on who's been ruled out yet though, and there are probably more recent possible matches that aren't on it.


Zanko and Angie have started weeding through the threads to summarize and see who has been submitted, ruled out, yada yada.

Thanks both of you! You rock!

OK, Angie pulled this together:


Quote:
Originally Posted by angie4b1g
Here's what I have gathered so far. I'm not sure which of these possibles were ruled out, though.

I'm including a composite of all the pictures I could find, also.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9...icopajdfi0.jpg

possible matches

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...r_heather.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rd_jaycee.html
http://www.find-missing-children.org...s/poster25.htm
http://www.nampn.doenetwork.us/cases...ekaterina.html
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...fromMoscow.jpg
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1871dfca.html
http://www.myspace.com/michaelagarecht
http://www.find-missing-children.org.../poster470.htm
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/881dfca.html
Alice Georgievna Muromtseva
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/496dfca.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_tammi.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2311dfoh.html
http://www.lorainpolice.com/unsolved...ons.shtml?f=13
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/pmerchant.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/303dfmn.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cain_jessica.html
http://texasequusearch.org/missing_p...rganMunson.htm
http://doenetwork.org/cases/1303dfdeu.html

OK, we need to know:

1: Who on this list has been ruled out, if any
2: Which ones have been submitted and what the outcome was, if any, or still wtg word.



EDIT- it seems like some of the links don't work- I'll try to find new ones & post them later today:)

[lorelei]

OK, this might be kind of long- here is that list with names, working links (I hope) and a little info I added.
Not sure who has been ruled out yet, but I'll try to check the old thread for that. Any info on who has been ruled out would be great! I know a few people have been in contact about possible matches with LE and might have more info on that:)
If I have time this evening I may try to search for new possible matches posted since August & put their info up. But here is a working version of the "possibles" list from Angie for now.

Heather Lindsay Silver
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/silver_heather.html
Jaycee Lee Duggard
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/dugard_jaycee.html
Kristy Jean Rogers
http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster25.htm
Ekaterina Shcherbakova
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2201dfca.html
**Hannah Marie Zaccaglani
has Brown eyes
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1871dfca.html
Michaela Garecht
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/g/garecht_michaela.html
Amber Jean Swartz-Garcia
http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster470.htm
**Linda Rose Grimm-
would have been 37 in 1999
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/881dfca.html
**Alice Georgievna Muromtseva
find link? Russian girl missing from Moscow
Makenzie Rae Newman
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/496dfca.html
**Tammi Jean Campbell
Campbell went missing June 1999?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/campbell_tammi.html
Kellie Benavidez
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2311dfoh.html
Kimberly Anne Riley
http://lorainpolice.com/unsolved-crimes/missing_persons.shtml?f=13
Dail Boxley Dinwiddie
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
**Paula Louise Merchant
Brown eyes
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/pmerchant.html
Amy Sue Pagnac
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/303dfmn.html
Jessica Lee Cain
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cain_jessica.html
**Morgan Anne Munson
missing since unknown date?
http://texasequusearch.netfirms.com/missing_persons/MorganMunson.htm

The ones with asterisks are ones I don't think are matches for reasons listed, or I need to find more info to add.

[lorelei]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/Dublin1955/MissingGirlfromMoscow.jpg
Alice Muromtseva
Name: [MUROMTSEVA] Alice [GEORGIEVNA]
Region: Moscow
Date of the generation: 01.01.1983
Age at missing: 12-13 years
Height: 160 cm
Hair: light-light-brown, to the arms.
Special signs: the indicating finger of right hand is shortened.
Dressed: jacket is cloth of the black color, jeans are signal orange colors, boots on the thick sole with height on the ankle of black color

[lorelei]

Yet another post from me:)
I think Ekaterina Shcherbakova was ruled out by LE (post 310-old thread), maybe also Melissa Lee Brannen?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/brannen_melissa.html

Here is what I think is a full list of all the other possible matches posted since August. Feel free to add or correct any of my info:)


Susana Elizabeth Diaz Loquay
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1558dfmx.html

Margaret Isabel Sandige
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1111dfaz.html

Katharine Christine Baskin
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baskin_katharine.html

Coral Pearl Hall
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1868dfmi.html

Jessica Click Hill
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=810767&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US

Jennifer Rae Perry
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/848dffl.html

Tracy Pickett
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pickett_tracy.html

Brandy Lynn Meyers
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=769128&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

**Tracie Denise Vicent
Hazel Eyes?/born 1968?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1331dfak.html

**Crystal Lynn Ortega
brown eyes
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1338dftx.html

**April Dawn Pennington
hazel eyes?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pennington_april.html

**Casey Rose Bohun
brown eyes?
http://ca.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=9400180&orgPrefix=RCMP&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_CA&searchLang=en_CA

**Jolene Riendeau
missing April 1999?
http://ca.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=9900253&orgPrefix=RCMP&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_CA&searchLang=en_CA

**Stephanie Leigh Lennartz
clubfoot surgery-scars on both feet?
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/5229/missing.html

**Melissa Lee Brannen
Possibly ruled out by LE?? unsure
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/brannen_melissa.html

[absinthe]

Thank you Lorelei...you put a lot of time into this. I will look at each link myself, too.

[believe09]

this case continues to tug at me...I can't help but believe that this case hinges on the witnesses and what we don't know that might be held back by the coroner....

[believe09]

Says in her report that she has green eyes.

[believe09]

I think they have a pretty good case linking her to someone who is most likely a serial killer.

[believe09]

Brown eyes...

[believe09]

I would think this list of possibles could be narrowed down a lot by maricopa ME. A lot of them have distinctive scars on knees etc....they have been receptive to tips in the past and very responsive. Why not send the ones with distinctive charecteristics and at least get them ruled in or out? Just a thought....or on the flip side, we can email the coroner and ask if jane doe had any scarring on her knees etc....

[lorelei]

OK- it looks like a lot of the possibles that have been brought up before can be ruled out pretty easily. Thanks for the posts! The ones at the top are ones that (IMO) could still possibly be a match for Jane Doe, then the maybes, then the ones that I think are probably definitely not her. Let me know if any look like they're in the wrong category-some might need to be moved.
Maybe once this is looked through a little more one of us could send the list in to LE in case they all haven't been ruled out yet?

POSSIBLE
Heather Lindsay Silver
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...r_heather.html
Jaycee Lee Duggard
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...rd_jaycee.html
Kristy Jean Rogers
http://www.find-missing-children.org...s/poster25.htm
Amber Jean Swartz-Garcia
http://www.find-missing-children.org.../poster470.htm
Makenzie Rae Newman
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/496dfca.html
Kellie Benavidez
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2311dfoh.html
Susana Elizabeth Diaz Loquay
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1558dfmx.html
Margaret Isabel Sandige
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1111dfaz.html
Katharine Christine Baskin
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...katharine.html
Jennifer Rae Perry
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/848dffl.html
Brandy Lynn Meyers
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...c hLang=en_US
Alice Georgievna Muromtseva
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q...fromMoscow.jpg
Name: [MUROMTSEVA] Alice [GEORGIEVNA]
Region: Moscow
Date of the generation: 01.01.1983
Age at missing: 12-13 years
Height: 160 cm
Hair: light-light-brown, to the arms.
Special signs: the indicating finger of right hand is shortened.
Dressed: jacket is cloth of the black color, jeans are signal orange colors, boots on the thick sole with height on the ankle of black color
Amy Sue Pagnac
but doesn't look like her?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/303dfmn.html
Coral Pearl Hall
height-4'11"
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1868dfmi.html


MAYBE?
Michaela Garecht
serial killer suspects?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/..._michaela.html
Jessica Click Hill
only 11-12 yrs old?
http://www.missingkids.com/missingki...archLang=en_US
Stephanie Leigh Lennartz
clubfoot surgery-scars on both feet?
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shad...9/missing.html
Morgan Anne Munson
missing since unknown date-probably 2003
http://texasequusearch.netfirms.com/...rganMunson.htm
Jessica Lee Cain
possible suspects-serial killer(s)?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cain_jessica.html

Most PROBABLY NOT???
Ekaterina Shcherbakova
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2201dfca.html
possibly ruled out??
**Melissa Lee Brannen
Possibly ruled out by LE??
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_melissa.html
**Tracy Pickett
Brown Eyes
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ett_tracy.html (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ett_tracy.html)
**Tracie Denise Vicent
Hazel Eye/born 1968?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1331dfak.html
**Crystal Lynn Ortega
Brown Eyes
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1338dftx.html
**April Dawn Pennington
Hazel Eyes
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ton_april.html (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pennington_april.html)
**Casey Rose Bohun
Brown Eyes
http://ca.missingkids.com/missingkid... chLang=en_CA (http://ca.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=9400180&orgPrefix=RCMP&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_CA&searchLang=en_CA)
**Jolene Riendeau
missing April 1999?
http://ca.missingkids.com/missingkid... chLang=en_CA (http://ca.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=9900253&orgPrefix=RCMP&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_CA&searchLang=en_CA)
**Hannah Marie Zaccaglani
Brown Eyes
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1871dfca.html
**Linda Rose Grimm-
Would have been 37yrs in 1999
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/881dfca.html
**Tammi Jean Campbell
Campbell went missing June 1999?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...ell_tammi.html
**Dail Boxley Dinwiddie
Brown Eyes
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/dinwiddie.html
**Paula Louise Merchant
Brown Eyes
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/pmerchant.html
[/URL]
Kimberly Anne Riley
[URL="http://lorainpolice.com/unsolved-crimes/missing_persons.shtml?f=13"]http://lorainpolice.com/unsolved-cri...ons.shtml?f=13 (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...n_melissa.html)
blood found in Ohio with her car

[absinthe]

Coral Pearl Hall bears a striking resemblance, and I'm intrigued by the notation "may be in Los Angeles area". LA is certainly closer to Maricopa County than Michigan is.
I wish there was more information on Ekaterina Shcherbakova (sorry for the bold, I copied and pasted)

[Azlaw]

I am in Phoenix, AZ. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Also, I have some (limited) LE contacts in different cities and I would be glad to make some calls to get info if someone can point me towards the right agency.

[Teresa Larson]

I am in Phoenix, AZ. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Also, I have some (limited) LE contacts in different cities and I would be glad to make some calls to get info if someone can point me towards the right agency.

I would like to know how she got to the hospital? Did somebody drop her off? There have been several posts that state some people took her to the hospital and then disappeared. I find that hard to believe. Why wouldn't the police know who these people were and why wouldn't they have questioned them about what happened to her. It just doesn't make sense to me.

[lorelei]

I'm not sure how exactly she got to the hospital, I don't remember anything about them driving her to the hospital though. I guess I just assumed she arrived by ambulance? That is a good question.

They do know who she was in the car with and have questioned them- it was a couple I believe, a man and a woman. They said they met her at I think a gas station/convenience store type of place? And they gave her a ride, and she just jumped out of the car. Its in the other thread somewhere but not sure where, sorry. Try searching for "couple in car" in the old thread? My computers kind of screwy today or I'd do it for you myself.

[believe09]

A spotlight for this beloved case!!!!! Thanks to the mods and let's have at it....

[christine2448]

I have come in and out of this case for years. AngieB and Zanko, IIRC, did a great job going through threads not that long ago and figuring out who has been submitted and who not. I was working on submitting her to several TV programs but nothing ever came through.

I'd like to 'spread out' and make threads for possibles, who we know has been submitted, etc.

I'd also like to see what we can find about this in the papers...I will start a thread for media links and also any pics we may have.....any help going through thread #1 and thread #2 discussions to help get this organized would be greatly appreciated!!!!

[believe09]

I would like to know how she got to the hospital? Did somebody drop her off? There have been several posts that state some people took her to the hospital and then disappeared. I find that hard to believe. Why wouldn't the police know who these people were and why wouldn't they have questioned them about what happened to her. It just doesn't make sense to me.

My recollection of the story was that she was taken by ambulance. They people who were in the car with her were the ones who called. What I found compelling about this case was the male of the couple in the car had a record. Because LE won't release their names, we cannot get any information. What would be incredibly useful I would think would be finding out the names of this couple and whether or not they are still together. I would love to know his criminal history as well, not that LE hasn't fully investigated that aspect I am sure. But it would close the loop for me.

LE has stated that they are not satisfied with the couple's version of the events that evening, but that it is not enough for charges. I think if they have split, perhaps one or both might be more inclined to talk if a reporter showed up at their door? I wish we could get media involved....

My other question was what convenience store they picked her up at and if there ever were flyers put up in that area? perhaps she was a frequent patron of the store, so someone would have recalled her. I know it is almost 10 years later now, but you never know....

[believe09]

I am in Phoenix, AZ. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

Also, I have some (limited) LE contacts in different cities and I would be glad to make some calls to get info if someone can point me towards the right agency.

Azlaw, hi!!! LE has been tight lipped about specifics in the case, I assume because they have some hold back information and that they hope to get a conviction some day. Is there a chance that you can ask any of your limited contacts what areas might need to be dug into more deeply that we can help with? For example, we can try and garner media attention and create flyers...would that have value? Were there any other complaints associated with the couple or the guy?

[christine2448]

Jinxie reminded me last night of attempttoidentify.com, she came across that....I had forgot about them! She mentioned they are working on getting up a memorial for her and stuff..she sent them a message to let them know we are spotlighting the case and to see what we can offer for help.

[SieSie]

<<snipped for length>>
But here is a working version of the "possibles" list from Angie for now.

Great job you guys, all of you are amazing with what you do!!! :clap: :clap: Lorelei - can I copy this post to a new thread where we can have just links and photo comparisons (no discussion). ??

[christine2448]

interesting, says they know who the man and woman were in the car.

(http://host473.ipowerweb.com/%7Etruecrim/hom...jane_doe_1.html)

[christine2448]

Also at the true crime link a missing girl is mentioned and story told, her name Jessie Kay Peters.

It seems someone confessed and was convicted of Jessie's rape, murder, etc, BUT, find no evidence of a body being recovered....what do you all think of this???

Did I just miss it???

The Daily Breeze – July 14, 2006

Former Hermosa girl was 'most innocent of victims'



Jessie Kay Peters (check out her picture on the true crime blog!) was 14 years old when she disappeared in 1996. Recently, her family learned she had been brutally raped and killed.

By Larry Altman
Daily Breeze

For 10 years, Jessie Kay Peters' whereabouts remained a mystery. The blond-haired, blue-eyed girl who spent her first 12 years of life in Hermosa Beach vanished March 29, 1996. She was just 14. "She didn't take any clothes," said her aunt, Charylene McCain. "She didn't take anything with her."

Family members circulated fliers and posted Jessie's photograph on national Web sites. Her mother, convinced that Jessie ran away, held out hope. But some family members suspected the worst. "I thought maybe she might be alive out there somewhere," said her grandmother, Claire Arvanetes. "I always had that hope she would some day come back. (But) I just knew somebody took her against her will."

For a decade, there were no clues in Jessie's disappearance. And then, as a gruesome murder trial unfolded in recent months for a man and a woman charged with killing another teenage girl in Riverside County, Jessie's family learned what happened to her in graphic, horrifying detail.

Prosecutors believe Jessie died the same day she vanished. Evidence revealed that the couple kidnapped Jessie, raped and killed her for sexual gratification, dismembered her body and dumped her remains off Dana Point, Riverside County Deputy District Attorney Michael Rushton said. "The evidence is very compelling that they killed Jessie Peters," Rushton said. "This girl was simply chosen out of the blue. This little girl did nothing. She was essentially lured way from her home under a false pretense and held captive and murdered.

"She is the most innocent of victims." Prosecutors believe Michael Forrest Thornton, 50, and Janeen Marie Snyder, 26, targeted Jessie as part of a sexual obsession with teenage girls. She is believed to be their first victim, at least the first one prosecutors know about, Rushton said.

Convicted pair worked as a team

Thornton and Snyder were convicted in March of torturing and killing Michelle Curran, a 16-year-old girl who disappeared April 4, 2001, on her way to school in Las Vegas. Curran's nude body was found April 22, 2001, in a horse trailer in Rubidoux in Riverside County. Ligature marks on her wrists and ankles revealed she had been strapped to harnesses and equestrian equipment before she was shot once in the head.

Thornton and Snyder, prosecutors said at trial, worked as a team, luring young girls, feeding them drugs and having sex with them. Two young women -- 14 and 15 years old at the time -- testified that the couple also tortured and sexually assaulted them.

Rushton said in an interview that the couple held Curran captive in the trailer for 14 days, then killed her as part of a sexual fantasy. "They are heinous criminals," the prosecutor said. "They are sexual deviants."

Jessie apparently met the same fate as Curran, prosecutors now believe. During the trial's penalty phase, a psychiatric expert who examined Snyder testified the woman told her she lured Jessie away from her Glendora home at Thornton's direction, Rushton said. "They held her at gunpoint and took her up to Lake Arrowhead, where they handcuffed her to a bed," Rushton said. "Thornton raped her, and they drowned her (in a bathtub), dismembered her and disposed of her in the ocean."

Thornton's former wife, Pamela Bibens, testified during the trial that she overheard her husband discussing how to dispose of a young girl's body parts. Bibens said she heard Thornton say he killed the girl and cut up her body. Bibens told the jury she and Thornton lived in a Lake Arrowhead mobile home. Her husband told her to go into her bedroom and "don't come out whatever you hear," according to trial coverage in the Riverside Press-Enterprise.

Bibens said she later heard her husband and Snyder talk about how long it took for the girl to drown, and how to weigh down body parts. The girl was Jessie, whose mother, Cheryl Peters, had worked for Thornton as a beautician in one of his hair salons. Thornton and Bibens owned a chain, The Fixx, with locations in the San Gabriel Valley and the Inland Empire. Snyder, a troubled friend of Thornton's daughter, moved in with the family.

Jessie lived with aunts in the South Bay and attended Hermosa Valley School, but wanted to live with her mother in Glendora. At 12, she moved. Two years later, she was gone. "We were hoping and praying she would call and come home," said her aunt, Candance Garcia. "We couldn't figure out what happened to her. It was so frustrating. I prayed and asked God, 'Bring her home. We want her back.' There was no word."

Time passed. In 2001, prosecutor Rushton and investigator Larry Lansford began looking into the Curran murder. They heard rumors of the death of another girl, one whose mother had worked for Thornton.

'What an evil thing to do'

Jessie's family learned the details about Jessie's slaying toward the end of the five-month trial. "I was shocked. I was mortified. I felt pain in my heart because of what they did to her," said Jessie's grandmother, Arvanetes. "How horrible those people were. What an evil thing to do." "I think if I didn't have God in my life, I don't think I would be able to handle it," said Garcia, Jessie's aunt.

McCain described her niece as a wonderful kid who loved her older brother, Robert, and going to school. "I went to her class at Hermosa Valley. Her desk was separated from all the rest of the kids," McCain said. "She was smiling really big. I said, 'Why are you here?' She said, 'Because I was bugging all the kids.' "

Her grandmother recalls attending church, taking walks and reading the Bible together. "I remember she loved flowers. She loved animals. She loved fireflies. She loved being with me," Arvanetes said. "She was very beautiful and very attractive."

Glendora police Sgt. Ted Groszewski said his department, which took the original missing person report, will meet soon with Riverside County investigators to discuss the evidence against Thornton and Snyder in Jessie's case. Glendora detectives will review the case with the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office to determine whether murder charges will be filed.

Some of Jessie's family members will speak Oct. 24, when Thornton and Snyder are sentenced in Riverside County court. A jury recommended in May that Thornton and Snyder receive the death penalty. Rushton said the testimony about Jessie helped persuade jurors to choose death. "We just feel such sorrow for the family of Jessie Peters," Rushton said. "They were completely victimized. It's obvious they suffered a great deal."

Knowing they will never see Jessie again, her family members Saturday will hold a memorial service at the Covina Assembly of God Church. Charles Biller, the church's pastor, said he will offer encouragement and comfort. "The girl was a Christian. She had been a member of the church two years prior to the incident," Biller said. "They have that assurance and comfort knowing that she is with the Lord."

Family members later will pray and release doves from a boat off Dana Point. "There is some closure in some way," Garcia said. "At least we know now what happened. "For me, I have more peace about it. I know that we are all destined for not this life anyway. We are all going to die and we are all going to be in heaven if we have Jesus in our heart.

"There's no way, without the Lord in our life, I could have a peace like this knowing what happened."


Hermosa Beach News


Copied w/permission

[believe09]

this couple was originally suspected of Michaela Garecht's disappearance. They have been cleared of hers, but there are two sets of suspects to look at, including the pair that kidnapped Elizabeth Smart....

[White Rain]

Hey guys...just became interested in this case last night...read thru every thread....so many missing people yall provided looked like it could "be" this person.
There is NO doubt that this girl was beautiful...
Regardless of that...one question I have IS:
She supposedly jumped OR was pushed...IF SHE WAS PUSHED then WHY would the people ( a guy and girl if I am not mistaken) EVER come forward? Why EVER put yourself in the line of fire?
From some reports the couple said "she appeared to be a prostitute AND jumped..."
Whether she was or not....
At the beginning LE DID NOT know who this couple was....WHY WOULD THEY (the couple) EVER COME FORWARD IF THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS? They could have gotten away SCOTT FREE....
I just want it to be known that I don't know if she jumped OR was pushed but I discard/discredit nothing....
Too me her face DOES not look like a jump victim...instead it looks to me like a BEATEN victim....Beaten on one side. etc.....
But THAT is JUST ME....

[Zanko]

She supposedly jumped OR was pushed...IF SHE WAS PUSHED then WHY would the people ( a guy and girl if I am not mistaken) EVER come forward? Why EVER put yourself in the line of fire?
From some reports the couple said "she appeared to be a prostitute AND jumped..."
Whether she was or not....
At the beginning LE DID NOT know who this couple was....WHY WOULD THEY (the couple) EVER COME FORWARD IF THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS? They could have gotten away SCOTT FREE....



My understanding is that the vehicle stopped or was stopped at the time of the "accident" and that the police interviewed the car's occupants. There was something in the previous thread about the fact that LE had some suspicions and that the male in the vehicle had a criminal record, but nothing much else was said about this couple. I'm just not sure if they could have gotten away. Maybe the "accident" was witnessed. The fact that they stopped could have been the reason why LE didn't investigate them further.

[JDB]

:crazy: this couple was originally suspected of Michaela Garecht's disappearance. They have been cleared of hers, but there are two sets of suspects to look at, including the pair that kidnapped Elizabeth Smart....

The men in both cases Smart's and Michaela are way to old.The sketch they did on Michaela case the guy was maybe mid 20's and with a pock marked face. That sketch is burned in my brain as I lived not more then 2 miles where she went missing.I think that if this UID is not her. Michaela was dumped either in Niles canyon or the hills going from San Mateo over to half moon bay.

[absinthe]

Thank you so much Christine.

[Zanko]

Doe Network reported on March 23, 2008 that the DNA information has been updated. It now reads:
DNA: Available nucDNA in FBI NMPDD

I believe it used to read that her DNA was in CODIS. It's good to know they are still working on identifying her.

[AmandaBrown23]

someone has to be missing her. I hope some how she can get some justice and soon.

[White Rain]

someone has to be missing her. I hope some how she can get some justice and soon.

I hope so too.
She's a beauty. How sad for her life to end up like this.

[Fairy1]

I cannot believe no one is looking for this beautiful girl. LE was lax in not getting more info from the people in the car. Who were they, how could they not have asked this girl her name, where did she come from??? As I recall, they claimed she asked them to drive her "through" Arizona. That tells me she was from somewhere other than Arizona and on her way to somewhere in particular. So they said. This case is so frustrating!!!

[fmw63]

I found the article in the Arizona Republic's archives. Should I risk posting the whole article here (had to pay $2.50 for it)?:confused:

[BeavisMom62]

I found the article in the Arizona Republic's archives. Should I risk posting the whole article here (had to pay $2.50 for it)?:confused:

Mods, can she, can she, huh? Pretty please, please, please???!!!! :blowkiss:

[fmw63]

:eek: He! not she:)

[Meyahna]

I don't think that'd be allowed this is strictly forbidden I think to disseminate these articles in public.

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[fmw63]

Boy, I thought I was finished work today... Ok. here's the info from the Jan. 30, 1999 article. Two things are listed differently than other sources - height (5'7") and location found (mile marker 193).


Height - 5'7"
Weight - 130 lbs.
Eyes - blue/grey
Hair - sandy blonde
Lips - thick, bowed
Eyebrows - thin, plucked
Estimated age - 17
Items - gold necklace with gold ring on it with letters "DMA"

Car - blue Cadillac
Speed - approx 75mph
Location - southbound I-10, near Sun Lakes, AZ

Persons in car:
Alonzo DeCarlo Fernandez, age 26
Lindsay DeJong
Charges - (Fernandez) - failure to render aid

Destination - Miami, FL
Origin - Ajax Mini-Mart (liquor store) 23rd st & Van Buren, an area frequented by prostitutes & drug dealers

Fernandez says she just jumped into the car. He said he was going to Miami. So did she. They picked up Lindsay DeJong. He said all three got in the front seat. (So they must have been out of the car at some point). They left. After (they were) smoking marijuana, her behavior changed, lots of talking, then suddenly she opened the door. He didn't stop because he was afraid, and saw people stopping to help her.

Okay, that should get around the copyright stuff...

[absinthe]

Wow, that is such a wealth of information! Does it say who Lindsay was? Was she an associate of Maricopa Jane Doe's?

BTW, we really need a nickname for our angel..

[fmw63]

The article refers to Lindsay as "his girlfriend".

[Fairy1]

Did they ever question the people who frequent the Ajax Mini-Mart? If she was a prostitute, someone there had to have known her. Dang it! For some reason, I always felt they were headed north. Now I know that was not the case. The fact that they've always said she supposedly asked them to drive her "across" Arizona led me to believe she was on her way to somewhere specific for a reason. This new info makes it sound like that may not be the case.

[Fairy1]

Boy, I thought I was finished work today... Ok. here's the info from the Jan. 30, 1999 article. Two things are listed differently than other sources - height (5'7") and location found (mile marker 193).


Height - 5'7"
Weight - 130 lbs.
Eyes - blue/grey
Hair - sandy blonde
Lips - thick, bowed
Eyebrows - thin, plucked
Estimated age - 17
Items - gold necklace with gold ring on it with letters "DMA"

Car - blue Cadillac
Speed - approx 75mph
Location - southbound I-10, near Sun Lakes, AZ

Persons in car:
Alonzo DeCarlo Fernandez, age 26
Lindsay DeJong
Charges - (Fernandez) - failure to render aid

Destination - Miami, FL
Origin - Ajax Mini-Mart (liquor store) 23rd st & Van Buren, an area frequented by prostitutes & drug dealers

Fernandez says she just jumped into the car. He said he was going to Miami. So did she. They picked up Lindsay DeJong. He said all three got in the front seat. (So they must have been out of the car at some point). They left. After (they were) smoking marijuana, her behavior changed, lots of talking, then suddenly she opened the door. He didn't stop because he was afraid, and saw people stopping to help her.

Okay, that should get around the copyright stuff...

Thank you so much FMW - this is great info. Interesting that they claim there was "lots of talking" but her name never came up. I call BS. Where are these people????????

[thefragile7393]

I call bs when I read that she just all of a sudden jumped into the car....as in they're just parked there and she opens the door and pops in? I guess it COULD happen but it sounds odd.

And this is probably silly thinking but I wonder if they meant they were going to Miami, FL or Miami, AZ.

[Zanko]

What's with the height difference? Who has the misinformation? I would think that the medical examiner's office would have the correct height.

[Zanko]

Okay, this is public record, so it should be okay to post, but I will be vague until I know for sure. I looked up Alonzo D Fernandez and it came back as an alias "Alonzo Decarlo Fernandez" for a man in Oregon who has 15 other alias names. Since I didn't enter the middle name I was pretty sure that this was a match. This guys wrap sheet is long. He has been in and out of prison for years but appears to have been out during the time frame that this Jane Doe was "found". His record includes robberies and controlled substances. There are a lot of codes that I don't understand but will research. One thing that was clear is that he is currently on parole with high supervision. Can I post his real name? It is public records. Moderator?

[kaylenbabysims]

Thanks so much for the information!!! :blowkiss:


I sure hope she's identified soon!!! the poor thing! :(

I never thought about sending stuff like this to talk shows before, but I wondered if we got enough people to send stuff in on her and some other unidentified persons on a specific day, so they're bombarded with request for a show on them... maybe someone would find it in they're heart to help?

[fmw63]

"Did they ever question the people who frequent the Ajax Mini-Mart? If she was a prostitute, someone there had to have known her."

..or the Sky Harbor Inn, the motel across the street...:waitasec:

[Fairy1]

The height difference bothers me too. Since she was just deceased, the ME didn't need to approximate her height - and 3 inches is significant. 5'7" is pretty tall and she just looks so small to me. Looking at all this new information, it sure seems like LE dropped the ball on this investigation. Because of that, we may never know how she died. But, there still must be someone looking for her - someone who knows who she is and where she belongs. Sounds like LE could easily drop in on Alonzo and ask him a few more questions - shouldn't be too hard to find!

[Meyahna]

I think maybe this girl got paranoid. Some marijuana can be pretty strong maybe she just thought... wait that's strong maybe they're drugging me and then are gonna kill me I better get off this car. You know many people see stuff in tv, people opening the door of a car and just rolling on the side of the road, standing up and running. Beside with marijuana, her mind might not have been clear. Some people have weird reactions, I once was in a taxi with a girl and it went in a parking lot and both of us were wondering if the guy was not gonna go rape us then but I ended by assuming it was just that a road went through it while she just opened the door while the taxi was driving and she might very well have killed herself if she fell.

[Fairy1]

It's true, we probably will never know exactly what happened in that car. Extremely doubtful LE could prove she was intentionally pushed or thrown out anyway. But that aside, she may have told them her name or where she was from or going. Something! Anything! It bothers me that in some reports it is stated that the car never stopped and the occupants never came forward. Now we know that they were questioned and LE even knew their names. I wonder if the police report has ever been reviewed since. It would be interesting to know what else might have transpired. Maybe there are more details that could help us figure out where she belongs.

[Angie4b1g]

Ok I just found this thread, I didn't know our girl had her own forum now. What'd I miss? She's been on my mind a lot lately.

[Fairy1]

Ok I just found this thread, I didn't know our girl had her own forum now. What'd I miss? She's been on my mind a lot lately.

You missed quite a bit Angie - look up-thread.:)

[Fairy1]

I was thinking - the ME report will show whatever drugs were in her system. We need to know.

[absinthe]

Where is the ME report??

[Meyahna]

At the ME's office. :waitasec:

[absinthe]

Sorry if that wasn't clear. I was wondering why the report hasn't been made available.

[c2cd208]

ME Report = Medical Examiners Report

[Meyahna]

Lol, sorry I like dumb jokes lol, just don't pay attention. Hmm I dk. Maybe someone could ask them. I think honestly this poor girl is not on big missing persons websites. I was wondering earlier since they didn't mention that ring maybe they know she had an accent and never mentionned it either. Is there someone with a contact for this girl that could ask? She was very pretty really. There must be someone looking for her. I don't say no one looks for ugly people lol but often people are not very good looking because they don't take care of themselves and this girl obviously did. If she was involved in prostitution that was probably recent. I guess she might be reported missing somewhere the prob with US is, people in the South don't seem to internet addicts. On my site's visitors map, TX is usually a big desert. That's weird. Do these people spend their days riding horses? lol.

[phenolred]

I found 2 seperate newspaper articles from the Casa Grande Dispatch newspaper the first article dated jan 27 1999 the day after the accident.

these answer some questions we have had and they bring up others....

Here is a breakdown of the 2

first 1-27-1999


She was flown to Scottsdale Osborn Hospital with head and other injuries another passenger in the car 18 yr old Lindsey Dejong from Spokane Washington siad they did not know her name.

Next dated 1-28-1999

The 17 yr old girl who fell out of a moving vehicle on I-10 died from massive head trauma.

She fell at mile marker 173 on i-10

The driver Alonzo DeCarlo Fernandez age 26 and Lindsey Dejong 18 were Stopped at mile marker 199 He said she was hitchhiker when he and Dejong passed thru Phoenix he said she accidently fell. Initial reports suggested she was pushed. They did not give an explanation why they didnt stop after she fell. He was arrested for failure to render aid.


So I wonder how they KNew she was 17 but they didnt know her name. I think maybe the key is talking to Lindsey again maybe this has weighed on her and maybe she might talk now and maybe she was scared of this Man and just went along with him and his story....

[phenolred]

The information I found about the other girl in the car being from Spokane Washington fits with what someone else found out about him being from Oregon, they are close....So maybe that is him and she would be 26 now so she might be married and have a different last name

[absinthe]

I found 2 seperate newspaper articles from the Casa Grande Dispatch newspaper the first article dated jan 27 1999 the day after the accident.

these answer some questions we have had and they bring up others....

Here is a breakdown of the 2

first 1-27-1999

She was flown to Scottsdale Osborn Hospital with head and other injuries another passenger in the car 18 yr old Lindsey Dejong from Spokane Washington siad they did not know her name.

Next dated 1-28-1999

The 17 yr old girl who fell out of a moving vehicle on I-10 died from massive head trauma.

She fell at mile marker 173 on i-10

The driver Alonzo DeCarlo Fernandez age 26 and Lindsey Dejong 18 were Stopped at mile marker 199 He said she was hitchhiker when he and Dejong passed thru Phoenix he said she accidently fell. Initial reports suggested she was pushed. They did not give an explanation why they didnt stop after she fell. He was arrested for failure to render aid.


So I wonder how they KNew she was 17 but they didnt know her name. I think maybe the key is talking to Lindsey again maybe this has weighed on her and maybe she might talk now and maybe she was scared of this Man and just went along with him and his story....


How come her age is not listed on Doe Network?

[phenolred]

How come her age is not listed on Doe Network?


I dont know All I know is that this was listed as the Headline of one of the articles

"17 Year OLD"

These were in the paper 1 and 2 days After the accident. So I dont understand at that time how they KNEW she was 17. Unless the people in the car told them. So that just does not jive with me that a hitchhiker would hitch a ride get in and say hello Im 17 could I get a lift. Instead of getting in and saying Hi my name is so and so.....

[Meyahna]

Yes, that's weird I thought the article I had seen just said 17 as an average. But yes that's that, who'd come say: "Hello I'm 17 years old" rather than give her name?
Well the DN doesn't list it because actually it usually relies on ME's estimates rather than articles who are known to say a lot of whatever.

[Meyahna]

I guess really LE must have a first name too for her.

[absinthe]

I dont know All I know is that this was listed as the Headline of one of the articles

"17 Year OLD"

These were in the paper 1 and 2 days After the accident. So I dont understand at that time how they KNEW she was 17. Unless the people in the car told them. So that just does not jive with me that a hitchhiker would hitch a ride get in and say hello Im 17 could I get a lift. Instead of getting in and saying Hi my name is so and so.....


I really, really, really hope that LE has more information that they're not releasing to the public :confused:

[mywarmbluefleece]

The only scenario I can think of is maybe the 18 yr old girl asked the UID some questions and the only thing she could remember was that the girl was 17?

Or, LE could know she was using an alias.

[phenolred]

True she could have had a fake id on her

[phenolred]

I just found a Facebook profile for a Lindsay DeJong it states she lives in Western Arizona I couldnt find a myspace page for her.

[christine2448]

I just found a Facebook profile for a Lindsay DeJong it states she lives in Western Arizona I couldnt find a myspace page for her.

I think I found her parents in NV.

[Meyahna]

Yes, I had seen this page for Lindsay Dejong. I wouldn't have posted it nor her name though. There are always people who have the weird idea to harass others so for her own sake I thought better just go with the ring.

[absinthe]

The only scenario I can think of is maybe the 18 yr old girl asked the UID some questions and the only thing she could remember was that the girl was 17?

Or, LE could know she was using an alias.


But an alias can sometimes be useful in tracing someone. I really feel like someone knows something.

[phenolred]

I feel like lindsay may know more than she told police at the time (maybe because she was scared) , I wonder if they have tried hypnosis on her. Or maybe she was afraid of the man driving, maybe she thought she might be the next one to end up dead and she didnt tell on him. Or she thought that just because she was in the car the police might try to arresst her too even though she hadnt done anything wrong. But it has been so many years now maybe she has thought of more things or could answer some of the things we have been wondering.

Like what was she wearing did she have an accent? Did she mention any other states she might have visited or mention why she wanted to go to Florida.


I bet she wants the girl to be identified too. The names of these 2 were already out there before I posted them too. ALso they were in the newspaper as public record.

[absinthe]

Thank you so much for sharing, phenol.

[dee10134]

I've been lurking in this thread for a while and something jumped out at me. If that ring was hers, then maybe those are her initials. Most women with the middle initial "M" have the middle name Marie or Michelle. Maybe we should start looking at missing persons with those initials (if any)...

Boy, I thought I was finished work today... Ok. here's the info from the Jan. 30, 1999 article. Two things are listed differently than other sources - height (5'7") and location found (mile marker 193).


Height - 5'7"
Weight - 130 lbs.
Eyes - blue/grey
Hair - sandy blonde
Lips - thick, bowed
Eyebrows - thin, plucked
Estimated age - 17
Items - gold necklace with gold ring on it with letters "DMA"

Car - blue Cadillac
Speed - approx 75mph
Location - southbound I-10, near Sun Lakes, AZ

Persons in car:
Alonzo DeCarlo Fernandez, age 26
Lindsay DeJong
Charges - (Fernandez) - failure to render aid

Destination - Miami, FL
Origin - Ajax Mini-Mart (liquor store) 23rd st & Van Buren, an area frequented by prostitutes & drug dealers

Fernandez says she just jumped into the car. He said he was going to Miami. So did she. They picked up Lindsay DeJong. He said all three got in the front seat. (So they must have been out of the car at some point). They left. After (they were) smoking marijuana, her behavior changed, lots of talking, then suddenly she opened the door. He didn't stop because he was afraid, and saw people stopping to help her.

Okay, that should get around the copyright stuff...

[phenolred]

I was thinking about the ring too. What stands out to me is the fact that she was wearing the ring on a necklace rather than on her finger. So, is it possible that the ring was too big for her and perhaps it might have been a boyfriends ring and those are his initials. Alot of girls used to wear their boyfriends class rings on necklaces.

[BeavisMom62]

:eek: He! not she:)

Oops! Sorry 'bout that! :bang: As soon as I wrote that I wondered if I should say he or she? I should have gone with my instincts and said neither!

[BeavisMom62]

I was thinking about the ring too. What stands out to me is the fact that she was wearing the ring on a necklace rather than on her finger. So, is it possible that the ring was too big for her and perhaps it might have been a boyfriends ring and those are his initials. Alot of girls used to wear their boyfriends class rings on necklaces.

We definitely need more info about the ring. Was it a class ring, man's ring, woman's ring, some kind of description could be helpful! Were the letters part of the ring design or an inscription inside the band, in which case it could even be an engagement or wedding ring (not likely given her age but you never know)

[Zanko]

The ME has our Jane Doe listed as 64 inches in height MEASURED. So we know the newspaper article is not correct on this point. In the UDRS (Unidentified Decedent Reporting System) and every other posting I can find there was no mention of a ring. All of the reports say earrings and a navel ring. Yellow metal earring with a clear stone and two yellow metal earrings with black stones. One white metal navel ring. Why would the newspaper article not list these but include information about the necklace? Why would the necklace not be mentioned anywhere else? Is this misinformation from the article or something crucial to identifying her? How do we find out?

[Zanko]

Just in case the ring on the necklace is accurate, I entered the initials in the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in different orders to see what was there. I came up with a blond, blue eyed, 5'4, female missing from Oklahoma in 1992. The nose does appear different, but the initials are MCD. Sometimes Monograms appear with the last name larger and in the middle and sometimes people don't like their middle names and change them. Her monogram would be MDC. Monique Christine Daniels. It doesn't say if her DNA is entered in the National databases to be compared with our Jane Doe. What do you think?

[Zanko]

Here is a link to Monique's information http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/daniels_monique.html

[BeavisMom62]

I tried to do that Zanko and couldn't figure out how! I wish I was as good at this stuff as the rest of you guys! Good work, I think that she is a possible. You're right about the initials, with the middle one being larger and representing the last name, not the middle name. She would have been about 20 years old. It fits.

[Fairy1]

I tried to do that Zanko and couldn't figure out how! I wish I was as good at this stuff as the rest of you guys! Good work, I think that she is a possible. You're right about the initials, with the middle one being larger and representing the last name, not the middle name. She would have been about 20 years old. It fits.

I don't know. I use MJD's eyebrows as a facial marker when searching. And the part in her hair - which may have been changed during medical care. I'm disturbed by the ring.. It's not reported anywhere else but here on this thread. If she was wearing it on a chain, I believe it was a man's ring. I wish we could get more information!!!

[byomoi]

Here is a link to Monique's information http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/daniels_monique.html

The nose is very similar. Are there any other pix of Monique?

Trish

[Fairy1]

The nose is very similar. Are there any other pix of Monique?

Trish

Right above your post!

[joanna]

Wow, it's so nice to see new information. I guess they would have noticed a Russian accent...

[byomoi]

I've seen the two pix of Monique; neither show the mole on the upper left side of her lip. I was just trying to see how prominent the mole was-- or could it easily be covered with make-up for the pictures.
MaricopaDoe has a mark near the corner of her left lip,but I can't tell if its a mole.

Trish

[KT Can]

Long shots, but worth a look.....

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/parsons_andrea.html

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/brannen_melissa.html
[/URL]

These girls are a little bit out of the age range for our Jane Doe but thought I would post them anyway since they caught my eye.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pickle_rachanda.html (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=732677&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US)

[URL]http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pagnac_amy.html


Any thoughts?

[fmw63]

Anybody here live in Phoenix? Maybe check out the local high school yearbooks for her & maybe a guy with those initials...

[absinthe]

Just in case the ring on the necklace is accurate, I entered the initials in the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in different orders to see what was there. I came up with a blond, blue eyed, 5'4, female missing from Oklahoma in 1992. The nose does appear different, but the initials are MCD. Sometimes Monograms appear with the last name larger and in the middle and sometimes people don't like their middle names and change them. Her monogram would be MDC. Monique Christine Daniels. It doesn't say if her DNA is entered in the National databases to be compared with our Jane Doe. What do you think?


She looks very similar! Have you forwarded this to LE?

[absinthe]

Anybody here live in Phoenix? Maybe check out the local high school yearbooks for her & maybe a guy with those initials...

1. I wish I lived closer to Phoenix because 2 of my pet cases occured in the area, our Doe and this one: http://doenetwork.org/cases/501ufaz.html

2. I don't understand why there hasn't been more information released on the ring. I wish we could get some sort of official confirmation on it.

[fmw63]

The Phoenix Public Library has copies of some high school yearbooks, but they're reference books (no check out). Any volunteers to visit them?

[Fairy1]

I have received the following message from the ME:



You will have to contact the police agency to obtain a copy of their report.

To obtain a copy of the ME report, please call 602-506-3322 and ask for an order form for a report to be mailed to you.

I can tell you that the information that is on the website for Maricopa County unidentified bodies is all that is available for identification.
The people that were in the car when she jumped have been thoroughly investigated and have recently been in touch with someone here that is doing follow-up on the case. It does not seem that they or their information is relevant at this time.

Thank you for your interest and assistance. We hope that by focusing on her appearance, descriptors, and belongings, that someone will recognize this girl and give us the lead we need.



Based on my inquiry:

Comments:
Is it possible to see the ME's report on this case? New information has recently been posted on Websleuths that has not been posted elsewhere. Would like to verify. What about the police report? There is conflicting information regarding the people who were in the car from which she jumped...

[Meyahna]

If the info was never posted otherwhere it is simply because no one has ever bothered before to do research on this case. But If you have 2$ you can buy the article then if you think the journalist has been lying you can write his hierarchy to tell them about your doubts.

[Fairy1]

If the info was never posted otherwhere it is simply because no one has ever bothered before to do research on this case. But If you have 2$ you can buy the article then if you think the journalist has been lying you can write his hierarchy to tell them about your doubts.

Where did you find the information about the ring? It it's not published in the ME's report, how did a reporter get the information?

[Meyahna]

I found it in an article from the AZ Republic I don't see why they'd say she had that ring while it'd be a lie. I guess the person who answered you is a bit clueless about the case or they're being weird and retain now that info from the public.

What they say is: "The gold necklace she wore held a golden ring, inset with the letters ''DMA.'' "

Unless they lost it, which is fairly possible, it is a good identifier, but if they lost it maybe it's better for them to claim now they never saw it.

[Meyahna]

Ok yes I thought I read golden after thinking first I saw gold but it's only for the ring, the necklace was gold maybe one of their officers sold it. God knows.

[Meyahna]

Maybe the ME does some trafficking of jewels lol (though maybe it's true), but I don't see the journalist inventing such a thing.

[Fairy1]

Maybe the ME does some trafficking of jewels lol (though maybe it's true), but I don't see the journalist inventing such a thing.

Do you have a link to that article? If the information didn't come from the ME, where could it have come from? If someone "stole" it, I don't think it would have ever made its way into the media. Journalists invent things every day. It's nothing new. That doesn't mean ME's are thieves.

[Meyahna]

No it's a paying article and it's forbidden to send them. I meant stole it after the article was written, it was written just three days after she was found, it gives ample time for the jewelry to vanish. I just launched ideas lol I don't think the ME would do that however that wouldn't be the first time sthg got lost. And when I said ME I meant anyone working there, ME's are probably well paid. But I just asked someone about it, I'll tell you if I receive an answer.

[Fairy1]

No it's a paying article and it's forbidden to send them. I meant stole it after the article was written, it was written just three days after she was found, it gives ample time for the jewelry to vanish. I just launched ideas lol I don't think the ME would do that however that wouldn't be the first time sthg got lost. And when I said ME I meant anyone working there, ME's are probably well paid. But I just asked someone about it, I'll tell you if I receive an answer.

Wow - those are some serious accusations you're making. You really need to back up either the article that references this "ring" or your accusations that the ME or his/her representatives are thieves. YOU are the one who brought the information about the ring into the discussion here. As far as I can tell, there is absolutely nothing that supports this.

[absinthe]

I really doubt that anyone in working for LE or the ME would pawn off an engraved gold ring. :rolleyes: I have a gold ring engraved with my initials that cost less than $100. A black market sale like that generally goes for less than half the value of the item. So I have great misgivings that someone working in these fields would risk his or her job for such a paltry payback.

[Meyahna]

Wow - those are some serious accusations you're making. You really need to back up either the article that references this "ring" or your accusations that the ME or his/her representatives are thieves. YOU are the one who brought the information about the ring into the discussion here. As far as I can tell, there is absolutely nothing that supports this.

Come on in what world do you live? Lol, there's not only on TV that police officers sell the drug from drug busts and ME pull down gold teeth on the bodies that are found.

And absinthe the ring is golden not gold so of course if they pawned it off they'd probably get 10$. I was talking about the gold chain. And yes with one they don't get a lot but if they do that on all UIDs in the end they'll make some money. And geez that is possible I dk why everybody thinks it's normal that people send extra-terrestrial theories about Jon Benet Ramsey and when I say sthg everybody knows people are :eek:. There are wrong people everywhere. I don't know the police officers there nor the people who work in the ME's office. Since some people put the journalist's professionalism and that is serious accusations too in question I offered other theories. But if you prefer to think the journalist took some extasy before he wrote the article free to you.
My real thought is either they retain the info either they just have no clue at the Maricopa website that there was this ring. And a ME report isn't necessarily completely detailed. I'm sure some black UID Does back in the 60's had as only descriptor "negro male". I think I have actually seen things like that, that's a real pity.

[fmw63]

From what I could find out about the article's author, David Leibowitz, he's seems to be a pretty well-known journalist/talk radio host there.

I've also emailed KSAZ Channel 10 about the interview he mentioned with Alonzo Fernandez, and waiting for a reply.

[fmw63]

From what I could find out about the article's author, David Leibowitz, he's seems to be a pretty well-known journalist/talk radio host there.

I've also emailed KSAZ Channel 10 about the interview he mentioned with Alonzo Fernandez, and waiting for a reply.

[absinthe]

Meyahna, surely you can understand that without having seen the article, we are believing in the ring's existence solely on the basis of your say-so. It's pretty difficult to keep the faith without any confirmation! Since the ring allegedly had initials on it, this is a BIG piece of evidence!

[Meyahna]

Yes but since I absolutely don't know the person who nicely summarized the rest of the article he/she paid with their money and shared with you freely and there might even be a third person in this thread who saw it and we haven't conspired all together you should believe us all now.

[fmw63]

The article was from the January 30, 1999 edition of the Arizona Republic, Valley and State Section, Page B1, written by David Leibowitz. That's where I got it and that's all I know about it. I haven't found anything about the ring anywhere else either. It's even possible that the writer had notes from more than one article on his desk and mixed them up.:eek:

[Soonerbabie]

The ring could have easily been mishandled.. that doesnt mean someone stole it. Ive read a couple of books about the storing of Crime scene evidence and things are lost. If there was a ring and now its gone, thats the most reasonable explanation.

[Meyahna]

I mentionned both possibilities I didn't say one was more possible than the other. Why do people always interprete things the way they want? Beside I find both to be unlikely I just threw possibilities. Some months ago I wrote the Maricopa website to ask them why they didn't have the reconstruction of a man on their site while it was mentionned in an article. And no the writer didn't invent a story about a reconstruction. The fact is the webmasters of this site had no clue that there was a reconstruction for this UID and they were glad I told them about it. Many cases they have might have been handled principally locally beside maybe some new people were recruited and they weren't there at the time the UID was found.

[christine2448]

What is the problem here? Can you all get your OWN copy of the article, and why aren't the ones who have it sharing???

Come on people.

[Meyahna]

Yes, that'd be good if they bought it themselves since anyway they won't believe it unless they see the article by themselves. I'm glad that was probably the first and last time I send any update to WS. I'm treated like a liar and told I can't write. Why, you're welcome lol. As far as I'm concerned I can't share it, it was sent to me by a third person and I can't risk her account not as if it was mine. Might not have risked mine either for people like that though. I'll keep on sending updates like I usually do directly to the DN and you'll read them there.

[kaylenbabysims]

I greatly appreciate hearing others ideas and thoughts on this case. :) I think anything is possible! hopefully the new info will lead to something!

but anyone who saw the articles did it ever say what time this happened? Early in the morning? evening? late at night???

[fmw63]

Not sharing?:confused: That's not fair.

"Remember the copyright laws when posting news stories!" is right on the forums front page. The AZ Central newsbank website has a rather lengthy copyright warning message. Another poster asked (directed at the moderators) if I could post the article - no reply. So I paraphrased the whole article.

Anyway, for those who want it:

Arizona Republic
January 30, 1999
Section: Valley And State
Edition: Final Chaser
Page: B1

[absinthe]

Thank you.

[christine2448]

Yes, that'd be good if they bought it themselves since anyway they won't believe it unless they see the article by themselves. I'm glad that was probably the first and last time I send any update to WS. I'm treated like a liar and told I can't write. Why, you're welcome lol. As far as I'm concerned I can't share it, it was sent to me by a third person and I can't risk her account not as if it was mine. Might not have risked mine either for people like that though. I'll keep on sending updates like I usually do directly to the DN and you'll read them there.

Well, if I had bought it I would just share it, I am not understanding the dilemma here. We all have accounts to different things, I may research here (Classmates for example) and provide info, so and so there (Itellius for example) and provide info. What's the big deal? $2? I am not trying to be rude at all. I am just not understanding the ridiculous bickering going on here over an article.

Someone find the article, share it, and be done with it. Move on everyone. Please.

[fmw63]

from Casa Grande AZ Dispatch, Wednesday 1/27/99:

http://casagrandepl.newspaperarchive.com/PdfViewer.aspx?img=110966579&firstvisit=true&src=search&currentResult=0&currentPage=0

[fmw63]

Thursday, 1/28/99 Casa Grande


(http://casagrandepl.newspaperarchive.com/PdfViewer.aspx?img=110966588&currentResult=0&src=search)

[fmw63]

If the ring was really on her, here's another twist found:

"MDA is known as the love drug in the American subculture because of its reputation for producing loving feelings in groups of people. (http://totse.com/en/drugs/rare_and_exotic_drugs/lovedrug.html)"

http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/rare_and_exotic_drugs/lovedrug.html

[absinthe]

If the ring was really on her, here's another twist found:

"MDA is known as the love drug in the American subculture because of its reputation for producing loving feelings in groups of people. (http://totse.com/en/drugs/rare_and_exotic_drugs/lovedrug.html)"

http://www.totse.com/en/drugs/rare_and_exotic_drugs/lovedrug.html

MDMA, also known as Ecstasy, yes...

That puts a new spin on it. I wonder if it was "raver" type piece of jewelry. I know that in 1999, the rave culture was going strong in the Southwest, and MDMA was strongly associated with that culture.

[kaylenbabysims]

oh wow thanks for all the info and links!!! I also was wondering if the initials on the ring had something to do with something other than someones name....

[fmw63]

Sorry, I just remembered the initials were D.M.A. not M.D.A.:bang:

[Meyahna]

Well, if I had bought it I would just share it, I am not understanding the dilemma here. We all have accounts to different things, I may research here (Classmates for example) and provide info, so and so there (Itellius for example) and provide info. What's the big deal? $2? I am not trying to be rude at all. I am just not understanding the ridiculous bickering going on here over an article.

Someone find the article, share it, and be done with it. Move on everyone. Please.

This is forbidden by the TOS of the site the article was on. Anyway the info was provided, and that they get the full article or not changes nothing you'll always find people who'd think FTW and I wrote it together as a plot against Websleuths.

[Fairy1]

Thank you so much for all the information FMW. It's been such a long time since she passed and it's good to see the original information now. Still there seem to be conflicting reports. Some say she accidentally fell out of the car, some say she jumped out of the car and there is still the possibility she was pushed out of the car. I've searched every state on the Doe Network going back as far as 4 years to find MJD and found nothing. It's so frustrating to think no one is looking for this little girl.

[Julessleuther]

I just noticed something in one of the articles. The other girl in the car was from Canada. Could the unknown girl also have been from Canada?

Tania Petersen
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2360dfbc.html

Brianne Ruth Wolgram
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1142dfbc.html

Some other ideas:

Sheila Catherine Egan
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2219dfbc.html

Coral Pearl Hall
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1868dfmi.html

Kimberly Ann Riley
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2301dfoh.html

Racheal Dawn Hayson
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1921dfmo.html

Kristy Jean Rogers
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1883dffl.html

Jessica Lee Cain
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1832dftx.html

Heather Lindsay Silver
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2025dfaz.html

Amanda Gallion
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1625dfwy.html

Yvette Sophia Mueller
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2052dfnv.html

[Fairy1]

[quote=Julessleuther;2166078]I just noticed something in one of the articles. The other girl in the car was from Canada. Could the unknown girl also have been from Canada?

snipped for space....

I thought Lindsay Dejong was from Washington state???

[Teresa Larson]

According to the Maricopa Coroners office they do not know if she jumped or was pushed out of the car. I e-mailed them awhile back and asked them and they told me they didn't know.

[Zanko]

In the article, Alonzo claims that after they smoked pot, she started to "babble". I would be curious about what she was saying. What may not make sense to him, could make sense to someone else. I doubt he would be able to give a very good account of what she said, since it happened so long ago, and he was high, but I would like to know if the police who interviewed him have notes on it.

[believe09]

Great to see so much continued discussion on this case-I think the case is maddening because the police have stated, IIRC, that the other folks in the car did not give them satisfactory information regarding what had happened, but they had no reason to hold or charge them. My brain is fried-did we ever find a COD?? I recall that she had a whole lot of road rash which would have obliterated other tattoos and scars, but did she have any broken bones, or seat belt marks or fractured skull?

[believe09]

thursday, 1/28/99 casa grande


you rock!!!!!!

[believe09]

The COD listed by the news articles is massive head trauma, so I vote for pushed because if she had jumped her feet would have been first, right, or her arms/wrists would have been broken from trying to save her head....help me out with this?

[believe09]

snip
But maybe not, says David Leibowitz, a former Republic columnist and current vice president of Moses Anshell advertising agency.
snip

Let me know if you would like me to try and contact Mr. Leibowitz-I am sure he has copies of his files....

[believe09]

hi, All-

This is what I have learned courtesy of Google Map:

There is no "23rd and Van Buren" as far as I can see. I have found that W Van Buren feeds onto south bound N Black Canyon HWY, which turns into S Black Canyon Hwy which then becomes 23rd Ave. I hope and pray some of you are locals, and can help me figure this out, lol. I was, of course, looking for Ajax Mini Mart, and barring finding the mini mart itself, I have been using the street view to locate pink stucco buildings that might have been the liquor store. i have found a few possibilities in the Pete's Fish and Chips on W Van Buren, the Circle K on W Van Buren-both of them are on the corner of 26th st and W Van Buren and both are across the street from a trailer park that looks as if it has been there for a while.

I am going to post on the City Data forum for any locals who might have gone to the mini mart when it was in existence and see if they can give me an idea of where it was and what it was like.

[Cubby]

It's 23rd Street and Van Buren. 23rd is a short block at Van Buren.

FWIW, I asked a friend of mine who now lives in the area and was a door man at some night clubs about that time to look at her pic and see if he or anyone he knows from that time might recognize her. If he gets back to me I'll post.

[believe09]

It's 23rd Street and Van Buren. 23rd is a short block at Van Buren.

FWIW, I asked a friend of mine who now lives in the area and was a door man at some night clubs about that time to look at her pic and see if he or anyone he knows from that time might recognize her. If he gets back to me I'll post.

Thanks Cubby-you should see me with a paper map, lol!!
:blowkiss:

[Cubby]

Thanks Cubby-you should see me with a paper map, lol!!
:blowkiss:
YW, He said he might recognize her if she was in the area and trying to get into places underage.

Oddly, another friend of ours fell off the wagon, and was found dead of alcohol poisoning at 24th and Van Buren. I didn't know where he was found until I mentioned the location this gal was found.

I'm really hoping this friend will ask around. Long shot but who knows.

[Fairy1]

You guys are awesome!!! According to the newspaper reports, the Ajax Mini Mart was frequented by prostitutes and druggies. Of course, the only people who claim that's where she was picked up are the people who were in that car with her. For all we know, that may not even be true. In any case, I wonder if any of the folks who hung out in that area were ever questioned. It's going on 10 years now so seems unlikely anyone who might have known her would still be around. Dang it! Does anyone know if we can get a look at the police report or the ME's report? I don't know if this would still be considered an active investigation. :waitasec:

[absinthe]

You guys are awesome!!! According to the newspaper reports, the Ajax Mini Mart was frequented by prostitutes and druggies. Of course, the only people who claim that's where she was picked up are the people who were in that car with her. For all we know, that may not even be true. In any case, I wonder if any of the folks who hung out in that area were ever questioned. It's going on 10 years now so seems unlikely anyone who might have known her would still be around. Dang it! Does anyone know if we can get a look at the police report or the ME's report? I don't know if this would still be considered an active investigation. :waitasec:


That crossed my mind as well. They may have been trying to paint her as a prostitute.

[absinthe]

YW, He said he might recognize her if she was in the area and trying to get into places underage.

Oddly, another friend of ours fell off the wagon, and was found dead of alcohol poisoning at 24th and Van Buren. I didn't know where he was found until I mentioned the location this gal was found.

I'm really hoping this friend will ask around. Long shot but who knows.


That sounds very worthwhile to me, Cubby.

[christine2448]

This is forbidden by the TOS of the site the article was on. Anyway the info was provided, and that they get the full article or not changes nothing you'll always find people who'd think FTW and I wrote it together as a plot against Websleuths.


I don't know about the TOS at the other site, I apologize if it's forbidden to share, we usually post 10% and then link, IIRC...I guess everyone should just go buy it on their own again. TY..maybe link and info to where you purchased it if needed.

As far as thinking you are plotting against WS, I wouldn't think that, and I don't know many posting here that would think so....the info you have stumbled on is AWSOME, it is an incredible clue :blowkiss: Who is FTW?

[VASHLEY88]

This is my first post! Hello, I just joined Websleuths because this case has been haunting me for the passed couple of months, and I just moved out of Phoenix, AZ. I was a resident there for about 7 years (unfortunately, after Doe passed). First, I just want to say that I think you are all doing an EXCELLENT job on coming up with ideas and getting new details on the case! :woohoo: I check everyday. But, I just wanted to share my input on a few things, from what I have gathered about this case so far..

If it is true, that they picked her up on Van Buren, I know from living in Phx that you don't have much business in that area unless you're a prostitute or a drug dealer, are picking up a prostitute, or buying drugs. So, it is a possibility that she was a prostitute, and even greater possibility that she was an underage prostitute (she looks so young!).. and I know a lot of times the young girls work in "rings" there. So, that leads me to believe that perhaps someone in that area could recognize her as a prostitute they may have worked with. However, I know it was only merely suggested that she MAY have been a prostitute..

And if she was a prostitute, is it possible that she got into the car with that man, and he really was going to take her to Miami, FL.. as he said, and she got frightened that her pimp was going to come after her so she jumped out? Isn't it common for prostitutes to be abused and brainwashed?

I just don't see how someone could push someone out of a moving vehicle if they were going 75mph, and driving. But.. I mean, I guess everything is possible when you know nothing.

So that leads me to the girl in the car.. why hasn't she been questioned? Maybe she got mad that her boyfriend had picked another girl up, and they fought, resulting in "the girlfriend" pushing Doe out of the vehicle? Because she was allegedly the drivers girlfriend, right? And she wasn't driving.. so she would have more control.

Gosh.. I really hope something new comes up soon. This poor little girl really deserves a name..

I really wish they knew what clothes she had on, that can say soo much about a person. Surely, she didn't jump out of the car naked.. ?

[believe09]

This is my first post! Hello, I just joined Websleuths because this case has been haunting me for the passed couple of months, and I just moved out of Phoenix, AZ. I was a resident there for about 7 years (unfortunately, after Doe passed). First, I just want to say that I think you are all doing an EXCELLENT job on coming up with ideas and getting new details on the case! :woohoo: I check everyday. But, I just wanted to share my input on a few things, from what I have gathered about this case so far..

If it is true, that they picked her up on Van Buren, I know from living in Phx that you don't have much business in that area unless you're a prostitute or a drug dealer, are picking up a prostitute, or buying drugs. So, it is a possibility that she was a prostitute, and even greater possibility that she was an underage prostitute (she looks so young!).. and I know a lot of times the young girls work in "rings" there. So, that leads me to believe that perhaps someone in that area could recognize her as a prostitute they may have worked with. However, I know it was only merely suggested that she MAY have been a prostitute..

And if she was a prostitute, is it possible that she got into the car with that man, and he really was going to take her to Miami, FL.. as he said, and she got frightened that her pimp was going to come after her so she jumped out? Isn't it common for prostitutes to be abused and brainwashed?

I just don't see how someone could push someone out of a moving vehicle if they were going 75mph, and driving. But.. I mean, I guess everything is possible when you know nothing.

So that leads me to the girl in the car.. why hasn't she been questioned? Maybe she got mad that her boyfriend had picked another girl up, and they fought, resulting in "the girlfriend" pushing Doe out of the vehicle? Because she was allegedly the drivers girlfriend, right? And she wasn't driving.. so she would have more control.

Gosh.. I really hope something new comes up soon. This poor little girl really deserves a name..

I really wish they knew what clothes she had on, that can say soo much about a person. Surely, she didn't jump out of the car naked.. ?

Welcome!!!! Thank you for your input-I for one am starting to feel some energy building on this case, and I think the possibility that she was an underaged prostitute is a good one...way back when we had a possible match for her with a missing Russian girl and we were speculating that the girl might have been snatched originally for the sex/slave trade.

I remember reading in the original interviews with the driver and passenger that they claimed they didn't notice whether or not she had an accent-the detectives were very dissatisfied with this answer.

One of the other pieces of information I gleaned from the articles referenced recently (other than the jewelry-great clue!) was that the male driver picked her up first and then they picked up the other passenger. They all squeezed into the front seat, the article said-my assumption is that Jane Doe was closest to the passenger door.

The way I envision the event is that they took off onto the highway rather than what Jane Doe expected-I have a harder time believing that she took a dive out of the vehicle rather than waiting until they got to their destination...maybe they told her they would be taking her back to the mini-mart and hit the highway instead....I suppose she could have panicked and jumped....but I am more curious as to if she was conscious when she hit the road, only