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anthrobones
01-06-2006, 08:07 PM
http://doenetwork.us/cases/302umny.html



Unidentified White Male





Discovered on June 12, 1993 in the Titicus Reservoir, Town of North Salem, Westchester County, New York.



Vital Statistics




Estimated age: 30 - 40 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 6'3"; 154 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Shoulder-length, straight brown hair.
Clothes: He was wearing a black Alpacuna overcoat (Pictured); a black scarf; a brown, tweed, sports coat (Pictured); two sweaters; an orange t-shirt; Levi blue jeans, and brown leather shoes, size 10 1/2(Pictured).



Recovered with the body was a green and blue knit pouch (Pictured) and a black and white photograph of an older gentleman holding a child (Pictured).
Case History
The victim was found floating in the Titicus Reservoir in North Salem, N.Y.
He was neatly, if not well dressed, wearing an overcoat and scarf over a sport jacket, sweater, sweat shirt, T-shirt and jeans. He carried no identification and had obviously been in the water for months.
Authorities believe he had drowned sometime during the previous winter. Gases that form in the body during decomposition brought him to the surface, although he wore a day pack full of rocks that initially weighed him down.
Investigators don't know whether the man committed suicide or if he was drowned by being tossed into the water wearing the pack.
The only clues to his identity were an old, black-and-white Polaroid photograph and a set of Chrysler keys. The photo shows an elderly man holding an infant in the foreground, and a long, low, brick building, possibly a school, in the background. Police think the victim could have been the baby in the old man's arms.

kylie
12-31-2007, 01:12 AM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/302umny.html

302umny 1993


And there is more on the New York State website for UID's.

http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Wanted_and_Missing/Unidentified/view.cfm?ID=db83e052-1e16-4e19-9f77-2688948e335c


But doe site is more complete

Earthbound Misfit I
12-31-2007, 01:20 AM
It sounds like the UID male could have been homeless and was wearing everything he owned. I wonder why there isn't a sketch of the man or a bust of him.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/302umny.html

302umny 1993


And there is more on the New York State website for UID's.

http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Wanted_and_Missing/Unidentified/view.cfm?ID=db83e052-1e16-4e19-9f77-2688948e335c


But doe site is more complete

LionRun
12-31-2007, 01:25 AM
I was wondering the same thing, RKnowley. Why no recon? Happy New Year, almost:)!

Lion

Earthbound Misfit I
12-31-2007, 01:34 AM
Hi Lion :) Happy New Year (almost) to you also! I wonder about the set of Chrysler keys he had on him.



I was wondering the same thing, RKnowley. Why no recon? Happy New Year, almost:)!

Lion

Earthbound Misfit I
12-31-2007, 01:35 AM
The Doe Network:
Case File 302UMNY

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNY.jpg
Photo found with the Victim
Unidentified White Male


Discovered on June 12, 1993 in the Titicus Reservoir, Town of North Salem, Westchester County, New York.
Vital Statistics


Estimated age: 30 - 40 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 6'3"; 154 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Shoulder-length, straight brown hair.
Clothes: He was wearing a black Alpacuna overcoat (Pictured); a black scarf; a brown, tweed, sports coat (Pictured); two sweaters; an orange t-shirt; Levi blue jeans, and brown leather shoes, size 10 1/2(Pictured).

Recovered with the body was a green and blue knit pouch (Pictured) and a black and white photograph of an older gentleman holding a child (Pictured).http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYShoes.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYPouch.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYOvercoat.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYCoat.jpg
Items found with the Victim

Case History
The victim was found floating in the Titicus Reservoir in North Salem, N.Y.
He was neatly, if not well dressed, wearing an overcoat and scarf over a sport jacket, sweater, sweat shirt, T-shirt and jeans. He carried no identification and had obviously been in the water for months.
Authorities believe he had drowned sometime during the previous winter. Gases that form in the body during decomposition brought him to the surface, although he wore a day pack full of rocks that initially weighed him down.
Investigators don't know whether the man committed suicide or if he was drowned by being tossed into the water wearing the pack.
The only clues to his identity were an old, black-and-white Polaroid photograph and a set of Chrysler keys. The photo shows an elderly man holding an infant in the foreground, and a long, low, brick building, possibly a school, in the background. Police think the victim could have been the baby in the old man's arms.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
New York State Police
Bureau of Criminal Investigation
Troop K, Somers, NY
914-277-3651
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
NCIC Number:
U-880250567
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
Source Information:
New York State Police (http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/WntdMiss/Poster/Posterindex.html)
The News Times (http://www.newstimes.com/)

Source: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/302umny.html

kylie
12-31-2007, 01:40 AM
Yes, I wonder if they could trace the keys to a year and model at least. I wonder if this picture was widely diseminated. The longer it goes, the harder it will be to identify. We really need another show like Unsolved Mysteries.

AMW is very fussy about the cases they put on and I'm sure some of these cases could be solved with a prime time audience watching.

LionRun
12-31-2007, 01:42 AM
Yes, RKnowley. I wonder what they could have found out from the keys.

If you don't mind, can you take a look at this other thread that kylie started? Please let me know what you think.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57956

Lion

Earthbound Misfit I
12-31-2007, 01:45 AM
Going to go read up on it now. :)


Yes, RKnowley. I wonder what they could have found out from the keys.

If you don't mind, can you take a look at this other thread that kylie started? Please let me know what you think.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57956

Lion

Earthbound Misfit I
12-31-2007, 03:17 PM
This man was:

born about 1953-1963
had shoulder length, straight brown hair
was about 6'3"
was about 165lbs
may have been homeless or lived in a car (had the chrysler keys with him)?
may have committed suicide. He may have put on all of his clothes to make room for the rocks that were put in his back pack.
I am still wondering about the keys. Is there a photo of them somewhere? Could a locksmith possibly be able to tell what year and model they are for?

MeoW333
01-04-2008, 04:01 PM
This is so sad, he committed suicide.. had pics right there with him, he was hurting so badly.. =(
I hope someone has those Chysler Keys still as there are ways to tell what year make and model it went to.

MeoW333
01-04-2008, 04:04 PM
Would it be possible that at one point he was away from his car, his car got towed away and he wouldn't have been able to afford the fee to get it out of impound and for towing?
Is there any way a reconstruction of what his face would have looked like at the time could be done?

Rle7
01-22-2008, 10:56 PM
For 15 years, authorities have been unable to put a name to the man they found dead in a Westchester County, N.Y., reservoir.

The decomposed body left little to identify him. And police found no ID, like a driver's license, to go by.

But with the body, police found a photograph [see below] apparently taken some years before the death of a child in the arms of an older man. The two pose in front of a building and a utility pole.

Today, police hope a new revelation about the photograph possibly connecting it to Western Massachusetts or, specifically, Berkshire County could shed light on this cold case.

New York investigators say the utility pole seen prominently in the photograph contains wiring similar to that used by Northeast Utilities in Western Massachusetts. Northeast Utilities is the parent company of the Western Massachusetts Electric Co. And that's what is pointing police to this region.

A Boston resident who collects utility poles provided that information to police, according to New York State Police Investigator Joe Fiebich.

http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_8017674?source%253Dmost_viewed.20F88DA3D7D369F5 BB70F372987EAE1F.html

kyresearcher
01-23-2008, 12:14 AM
Maybe I am just not seeing the picture of the child good enough but the child looks like a girl to me. Could this child be the daughter of the deceased man and grandchild of the older man in picture. Also wondering how the picture stayed in such good condition being in water for so long.

raindrops300
01-23-2008, 12:43 AM
I was just wondering the same thing about the pic and the child. I do remember when polariods first came out. I'm thinking the pic was made with the Polaroid Swinger which came out in 1965. The photo obviously held high importance for the victim to have protected it from the water in some kind of waterproof carrier.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blpolaroid.htm

".....then Polaroid Swinger camera in 1965. The black and white Swinger camera sold for under $20 and was a big hit with consumers.....",

From what I can tell, they quit making the black and white only Swinger in 1970.

Somebody, somewhere should be able to recognize the building, which looks like a school to me.

kyresearcher
01-23-2008, 12:58 AM
I still have my Polaroid camera and I think I bought it in the late 60's or early 70's when my kiddo were babys. Boy have things changed- from Polaroids to Digital, wonder what will be next? I must be getting old. ha ha He very well may have had the pic. in a water tight container that was in the knit bag. Pic. must have meant much to him, probably all he had left of his past. Maybe it was suscide and he wanted the picture to be found as a clue.

Earthbound Misfit I
01-23-2008, 03:01 PM
I posted a message & the photo on the MA city-data-com forum asking if the building that is in the background in the photo the UID Male had on him looked familar to anyone and I got a couple replies.

Here are their comments/suggestions:



It looks very similar to the style of the elementary school I attended in South Lancaster, Mass. Its not the SAME building but its built very much the same as that.


and



The MA department of schools must have a master list of school addresses/phones/email addresses. Investigators looking into this case should send an email with the photo to each school's (or school district's) secretary. Secretaries know everything! :-)

vsawyer
01-23-2008, 05:32 PM
For 15 years, authorities have been unable to put a name to the man they found dead in a Westchester County, N.Y., reservoir....Today, police hope a new revelation about the photograph possibly connecting it to Western Massachusetts or, specifically, Berkshire County could shed light on this cold case.
Wow. I've always been intrigued by this case, because he was found not all that far from where I grew up, but also a little because he just seemed like someone I would have known growing up. I actually grew up almost halfway between the town where he was found and Berkshire County. Weird.

If you click on the photo in the article, you can see a much larger version, which is great! I think everyone who's said the building looks like a school is onto something. It reminds me of the cafetorium from my elementary school, or a gymnasium/pool. (Very mid-60s architecture.)

It also reminds me of a couple churches for some reason.

The suit the man is wearing is early 60s, I think, judging by the narrow tie and lapels. The cars in the parking lot behind him are hard to see, but they appear to be early to mid-60s as well (like a Falcon or Galaxie, someone with real car knowledge please step in here) but I think that on the lefthand side, in the driveway by the barn with the gambrel roof (also very Western Mass), there's an even older car, a black one, like a Buick.

So if the suit and/or the cars in the photo are contemporary with the time it was taken, maybe the child in the photo is the unidentified man (or his sister?).

(I had a pair of those same saddle shoes. Buster Browns.)

Rle7
01-31-2008, 12:23 PM
Thanks to a Pittsfield resident's tip, New York State Police have solved a 15-year-old cold case by identifying the man whose body was found in a Westchester County, N.Y., reservoir in 1993.

The Westchester County medical examiner's office on Friday identified the body as Andrew Bookles of Bellport, N.Y., New York State Police Investigator Joe Fiebich said. The identity wasn't released until yesterday because it took time for police to locate Bookles' four siblings, who live in different locations in the Northeast. Both of his parents are deceased.

Bookles, who was 31 when he died, was identified through dental records, Fiebich said. His body was found in the Titicus Reservoir in Somers, N.Y. roughly an hour north of New York City on June 13, 1993. The body was clad in winter clothing and contained no identification.

http://www.berkshireeagle.com/ci_8125921?source=most_viewed

raindrops300
01-31-2008, 01:49 PM
Thanks for posting the update and I'm glad there was resolution on this.
These investigators did a superb job. The follow-thru is truly commendable.
I'm sure this family appreciates knowing what happened to this young man.

vsawyer
01-31-2008, 02:06 PM
Thank you for this update! What an amazing story...a really interesting chain of events that led to this man's identification, finally.

Earthbound Misfit I
01-31-2008, 02:53 PM
Absolutely Fantastic! I am glad his family will now have some closure. RIP Andrew.

kylie
02-01-2008, 03:05 AM
I originally posted this story on 12/31/07 so there must be some mind meld going on! It is so sad to see that he was so promising in high school but became depressed. It would be nice to see a picture of him published at some point. Is he the child in the photograph?

felder
02-02-2008, 09:57 AM
I hope I am posting this is the correct spot. Moderators, please feel free to move this if I have.

SPRINGFIELD, Mass. A treasured old photograph, a police investigator's long-shot appeal to the public and a retiree's sharp memory have combined to solve a 15-year-old drowning mystery.

State police in Somers, N.Y., tried for years to identify a body found in the Titicus Reservoir on June 13, 1993, carrying 38 pounds of rocks in a backpack. The man left no clues to his name and matched no local missing-persons reports.


The only lead was a black-and-white snapshot found on the body that showed a grandfatherly man holding a small boy in the crook of his arm, both wearing attire from the 1950s or early 1960s.


Police assumed the toddler was the drowning victim, but years of investigation produced only dead ends. Then, with a few remarkable coincidences last month, Andrew Bookless got back his name.



More at link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327806,00.html



Photo here:
http://www.foxnews.com/

MagicRose99
02-02-2008, 11:07 AM
Current discussion here: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57958&highlight=Titicus

dark_shadows
02-02-2008, 07:02 PM
Dearest Kylie,:blowkiss:

Thank-you for the thread here.

Respectfully,
dark_shadows

Sometimes things are not always what they appear to be and because the man had rocks in his backpack, it does not mean that suicide is the answer here..

Even the investigators do not know the answer.


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

T-Rex
02-02-2008, 09:11 PM
I'm so glad you guys posted this here--I just saw the article, and came right over! It's nice to see one of "our" old cases get solved!

lymom3
02-02-2008, 09:51 PM
That picture always haunted me. If indeed he was the child in that photo then he was loved and happy at some point in his life. It just always seemed so sad to me. He obviously cherished that photo and memories of some time in his early life. It is a shame that his parents didn't know what happened to him before they passed but hopefully they met him again in the world after.

It is a good reminder that there is always hope to solve these cases and there are men and women out there that don't give up.

neilpaku
02-05-2008, 11:25 AM
Hi all,
Does anyone have those photos that were posted in the DOE notice by RKnowley. Can you post those again please? The links were:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYShoes.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYPouch.jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/imag...NYOvercoat.jpg (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYOvercoat.jpg) http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/302UMNYCoat.jpg

Cheers,
Neil.

phenolred
03-03-2008, 05:58 PM
Hey OMG I was just looking through weird and bizzare new threads and I saw this man HAS BEEN Identified

hERE ARE THE LINKS



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327806,00.html

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59784