Missing Georgia hiker--Meredith Emerson, 24 #2

[princessmer81]

This case just makes me sick. It first caught my eye because we have the same name - Meredith. We are about the same age, love dogs and being outside. If it were me missing I would hope that everyone would do all that they could to find me.
When I read that she let her dog off the leash I wondered if perhaps the dog ran too far ahead of Meredith and got lost. I could see my dog doing that. Maybe Meredith went in search of Ella and got lost herself. I just hope that man didn't do anything to her. I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover but based on the discription of the man you would think she would keep her distance - especially if it's true that he had a weapon (police baton?) on him.

[princessmer81]

"This man was seen with her on multiple occasions during that day," Union County investigator Kimberly Verdone said on Thursday.

This just seems strange. Did she know him? - or had she met him and his dog before? I just don't understand why a 24 year old girl would be hanging out with a 60 year old man all day if she didn't know him.

[SewingDeb]

Possible link to two NC hikers (wife beaten to death and husband missing):
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14964662/detail.html

[dee10134]

When I read this, I got a really BAD feeling about the man that Meredith was seen speaking to the day she went missing. I'm praying for her and Ella's safe return!

[englishleigh]

Is it possible that the man is missing, as well, as in not of his own accord? Could he and Meredith both be victims of someone else?

Starting to follow this one closely....

[englishleigh]

:furious: Why is this such a mean world?? WHY did this happen to this girl? I'm so sick of reading about this kind of stuff....these sickos who do things like this to these beautiful young girls with their whole lives ahead of them....I prayed so hard that Meredith would be found safe, that she had just gotten lost or disoriented.
I didn't want to think some predator on that mountain had done something to her.
:banghead:

The only blessings in this are that Georgia has the death penalty and that Ella was found safe; she will be a tremendous comfort to Meredith's family in the sad time to come. Prayers for Meredith's family and friends, and may Meredith be brought home to them soon.

[WindChime]

Continue on.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58066

[SeriouslySearching]

Thank you very much, WindChime! Hugs~ (I did get your email and thank you for that, too!!)

[SeriouslySearching]

Back to the case: Was this man ever married? Does he have children? It was said he tried to have a "siding business", was this ever checked out? Did he ever serve in the war? What do we know about him personally?

Again, in order to find out what is going on with this guy...we need to find out vital info on him. He lives off the grid now, but I have a feeling he was very much involved in life early on. Who and where are those people?
__________________

Ok these were my questions earlier. I moved them! Let's get some answers!!

[JinxieJada]

Also,

I know the GMH in CO in the Stephanie Salazar case isn't the same because of age...BUT....Does this GMH in GA have any ties to CO...Family member, siblings, old friends etc?

IS GMH his TRUE identity? (maybe a silly question, but we've seen stranger stuff happen here)

Ok, Now, I know many of you, think I"m in a denial of sorts..and thats ok :innocent: - but If rumor is, she was still alive as late as possibly friday night...Couldn't she still be? Maybe on the brink from injuiries..but still?

[angelmom]

Just heard an update on the radio from Union County.

Said he will appear in court this morning and we might hear a bit of the evidence, possible new charges.

There are over 100 pieces of evidence.

Possible search area covers 5 counties (Union, Forsyth, DeKalb for sure, probably Fulton to get from Forsyth to DeKalb...??) Huge areas.

LE is focusing the search on 5 areas (undisclosed) based on this evidence.

They are all but positive this is a recovery. :(

[JinxieJada]

Trying to learn here - not being picky...

When they speak of "pieces of evidence"

Is say, 1 single dog hair considered 1 piece of evidence..

OR

Would say, The vacuumed debris they collected has the dog hair and something else in it...

Is that just one piece of evidence, (the whole collection that was went through) or Multiple pieces (dog hair, dirt from the area, etc, etc (not stating that was there, just an example!)

I'm trying to understand what they mean by that terminology. Thanks in advance for the help!


PS - thanks for the update Angelmom!

[christine2448]

Just heard an update on the radio from Union County.

Said he will appear in court this morning and we might hear a bit of the evidence, possible new charges.

There are over 100 pieces of evidence.

Possible search area covers 5 counties (Union, Forsyth, DeKalb for sure, probably Fulton to get from Forsyth to DeKalb...??) Huge areas.

LE is focusing the search on 5 areas (undisclosed) based on this evidence.

They are all but positive this is a recovery. :(

Thanks for the updates....I heard wsb this morning too and they are saying they are following those OVER 100 pieces of evidence and will continue to do so until they peice this all together.

As you mentioned, tremendous amount of ground to cover....they really need to get him to break. Let's all pray he talks.

[dimples37398]

Jinxie.......

I was wondering the same thing about that being his real name or identity. I have looked and looked and looked, and there are just some years that I can't find anything about where he was or anything else.

Also for the people that said they don't think this is his first time abducting or harming someone. I completely agree, all the holes in his past, criminal activities that we do know about, lack of being able to track or find past residences, lack of relatives of any kind. I think this completely looks like a serial or atleast killer of more than one.

Oh btw.....I had to laugh at your little sentence..(unknowing devil's advocate)....I am so the same way....sometimes I feel like a dumb### because I take up for everyone at first until something concrete comes out.

Hoping we hear something soon in this case.....it is mind boggling.

Kel

[concernedperson]

From this wsb news article the dog was spotted about 2:30 in the afternoon running free and Hilton placed at phone call at 4:30 from the same area. So, he was in Cumming for 2 hours on Friday. Also, this location was close to where Patrice Endres was kidnapped. LE checked church yards in the area just in case Meredith was placed there as was the case with Patrice whose body was found 8 months after her kidnapping.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14987205/detail.html

[angelmom]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5401449&version=34&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

There's a video link on this page about today's searches and the court appearance.

[angelmom]

From this wsb news article the dog was spotted about 2:30 in the afternoon running free and Hilton placed at phone call at 4:30 from the same area. So, he was in Cumming for 2 hours on Friday. Also, this location was close to where Patrice Endres was kidnapped. LE checked church yards in the area just in case Meredith was placed there as was the case with Patrice whose body was found 8 months after her kidnapping.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14987205/detail.html

From this link:

The dog did NOT look as if she'd been running in the woods for 3 days!!!

First time I've seen this.

[concernedperson]

From this link:

The dog did NOT look as if she'd been running in the woods for 3 days!!!

First time I've seen this.

The article helps with a timeline just knowing he remained in that area for awhile. Chances are he let the dog go at 2:30 or so and then went to dispose of her body. The dog could have been an obstacle for him if she remained while he was undertaking that task. He returned to the area to dispose of clothes and ID so I would be looking really hard in Forsyth County. He may have taken her to Lake Lanier or any wooded area around there. He also may have taken the time to bury her since he didn't make the phone call until 4:30. He had time.

[SeekingJana]

From this link:

The dog did NOT look as if she'd been running in the woods for 3 days!!!

First time I've seen this.

I had a dream last night where I saw the two dogs, and I kept asking, why is there no dried blood on these dogs?
I agree, Ella looks to be in fine shape.

[Pharlap]

From this link:

The dog did NOT look as if she'd been running in the woods for 3 days!!!

First time I've seen this.


It's black. Maybe the picture wasn't a close up of the dog.
Grew up with a black lab, never looked dirty however if I went to pet it my hand was dirty. Also had a towel by the door to wipe the paws off.
I have 2 light yellow labs now, man you can see the dirt right away.

:angel:

[drumstick]

Thank God for Michelle Preston!

When she found (Ella) the dog wandering around the parking lot of Kroger's grocery store she had compassion and sense to take Ella to a Vet who scanned for the owner.

Who would think to do that?

Without Michelle's intervention, LE probably would not have discovered key evidence in the dumpster.

She's a hero to me.

Thank you Michelle Preston! God Bless You!

:clap:

[angelmom]

The article helps with a timeline just knowing he remained in that area for awhile. Chances are he let the dog go at 2:30 or so and then went to dispose of her body. The dog could have been an obstacle for him if she remained while he was undertaking that task. He returned to the area to dispose of clothes and ID so I would be looking really hard in Forsyth County. He may have taken her to Lake Lanier or any wooded area around there. He also may have taken the time to bury her since he didn't make the phone call until 4:30. He had time.

They should ask people with cabins at Lake Lanier to check them. Think of how many are unused at this time of year, especially with the lake so low. He could have broken into one and kept her for a few days. When would someone find her? Not til spring.

[cwiz24]

Do we know if the reports that he was suffering from multiple sclerosis are true? I can't believe that a 60-year old man with MS could overpower a young, strong martial arts student. I think his MS claim must be bogus.

[christine2448]

I thought I had posted this but musta just discussed in chat...the Vet did an interview on local news and the dog was in perfect shape. She wasn't hungry, worn out, hurt, thirsty or even dirty. No signs of anything out of the ordinary.

[cwiz24]

From this link:

The dog did NOT look as if she'd been running in the woods for 3 days!!!

First time I've seen this.

According to this link: http://cbs13.com/national/Meredith.Emerson.hiker.2.624472.html
Michelle Preston stated that the dog DID look like it had been running through the woods for several days. Fifth paragraph from the bottom at the above link.

[TGIRecovered]

Not that it really matters, but we do not know if Hilton set Ella free on purpose or if she simply got away.

It seems foolish to me, to release the dog in the same area you choose to dispose of evidence. He might as well have put up a big sign saying "Looky Here! I'm the crazy dude you're looking for!".:doh:

I prefer to think of Ella as a "Lassie". She got away and went for help.

Susan

[cwiz24]

According to this link: http://cbs13.com/national/Meredith.Emerson.hiker.2.624472.html
Michelle Preston stated that the dog DID look like it had been running through the woods for several days. Fifth paragraph from the bottom at the above link.

Whether or not the dog was in good shape or not is hugely significant, I think. It goes to where GMH was hiding from the kidnapping until arrest.

[cwiz24]

Not that it really matters, but we do not know if Hilton set Ella free on purpose or if she simply got away.

It seems foolish to me, to release the dog in the same area you choose to dispose of evidence. He might as well have put up a big sign saying "Looky Here! I'm the crazy dude you're looking for!".:doh:

I prefer to think of Ella as a "Lassie". She got away and went for help.

Susan

Everything he did made him stand out, including cleaning his van at the gas station (duh!). Makes me think he had been hiding out somewhere that he did not have access to news reports and wasn't aware of the attention Meredith's disappearance was getting.

Edited to add: Even wearing extremely noticable clothing the day Meredith disappeared. Yellow? Hello? Everyone will remember a guy in bright yellow with no teeth.

[concernedperson]

They should ask people with cabins at Lake Lanier to check them. Think of how many are unused at this time of year, especially with the lake so low. He could have broken into one and kept her for a few days. When would someone find her? Not til spring.

I think that an excellent idea. Several things pop into my head on this thought. He was trying to use her ATM card in Canton and in Gainesville...so what is in between, Lake Lanier, the dog was found in good shape so this means she wasn't running around in the woods but probably kept in a warm place with food and water. He left the dog at a shopping center and returned to the same area 2 hours later. Again, what is near, Lake Lanier.

It would make perfect sense for him to leave the Blood Mountain area because he knew she would be reported missing. And, he was right and the whole focus of the search until this weekend has been the mountain. He may have kept her in a cabin and then went back and buried her or hid her in some fashion during that gap time. In any event there would be evidence in a cabin if they were there and this is where the crime happened.

[christine2448]

They should ask people with cabins at Lake Lanier to check them. Think of how many are unused at this time of year, especially with the lake so low. He could have broken into one and kept her for a few days. When would someone find her? Not til spring.

This is a great idea. I am going to mention it to a couple of people when talking today.

[christine2448]

Angelmom,


I called the # on helpfindmeredith.com which is the sherriffs office and gave them the idea of checking of cabins in Lake Lanier...they said they would pass on to GBI and was thankful for the call.

I also left a message for LTWH's contact @ GBI but she is classes today, so she must not be on Meredith's case today...I also mentioned this, I know she will pass it along. They may have already thought of this, but, JIC, I am telling them. Thanks angelmom!

[concernedperson]

Now ajc is saying that the search is staying focused on the 5 mile area at Vogel State park based on new evidence.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/06/missing_0107webupdate.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_ne wstab

[christine2448]

Now ajc is saying that the search is staying focused on the 5 mile area at Vogel State park based on new evidence.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/06/missing_0107webupdate.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_ne wstab

But, they also said this in the same article:



Union County Sheriff's Investigator Kimberly Verdone said the search in North Georgia will continue, but if there are no new developments by close of business Wednesday, the Blairsville command center would be closed and investigators would reassess what to do next.


and this

the 24-year-old Buford woman in the state park. The search resumes Monday morning over a much broader area, from DeKalb County on the south to Union County on the north.

[christine2448]

CP, Angelmom....y'all think one of us should write/call the local reporters about the Lake Lanier idea? Why not go straight to them, why wait for LE to ask for peeps to check their places? How could it hurt?

[cwiz24]

CP, Angelmom....y'all think one of us should write/call the local reporters about the Lake Lanier idea? Why not go straight to them, why wait for LE to ask for peeps to check their places? How could it hurt?

If GMH wasn't working alone, checking these cabins without LE presence may not be in people's best interest right now.

[SuziQ]

Not to sound gruesome or anything, but how does Hilton do what he did to Emerson without her dog throwing a fit and creating a rucus? Any sign of harm towards Emerson would have sent Ella into a frenzy. That would have called attention to them. Not to mention be a pain in the ass distraction, and end up with Hilton getting bit. I have two lab mixes about Ella's size and I'm pretty sure they would break free of any restraint they had on if someone harmed me. He had to have have Ella away from the situation somehow. Maybe that's how he controled Emerson, by threatening to harm her dog?

[christine2448]

If GMH wasn't working alone, checking these cabins without LE presence may not be in people's best interest right now.

Duh, good point. :doh:

Well I did leave message at GBI and talked to sherriff's office about the idea..at least we know if they haven't thought of it themselves they have now 'heard' the idea.



Thanks cwiz, I wasn't thinking.

[cwiz24]

Duh, good point. :doh:

Well I did leave message at GBI and talked to sherriff's office about the idea..at least we know if they haven't thought of it themselves they have now 'heard' the idea.



Thanks cwiz, I wasn't thinking.

It was a good thought christine. He must have been hiding somewhere for the past few days. The phone call he tried to make leads me to suspect that perhaps another person was involved. I would just hate to see a good samaritan be added to the casualty list for an already tragic situation.

[concernedperson]

Duh, good point. :doh:

Well I did leave message at GBI and talked to sherriff's office about the idea..at least we know if they haven't thought of it themselves they have now 'heard' the idea.



Thanks cwiz, I wasn't thinking.

You did the right thing by alerting LE to the idea and if they want public help I am sure they will get it to the newspaper and tv stations. If she was held at a cabin there would be evidence and it is best for it not to be disturbed. Same reason they aren't using volunteers right now and only professionals. That chain of evidence factor again.

[ladeda7777]

I knew someone with MS who was on disability. He had a lot of pain, he got himself into a methadone program for the pain. I’d be checking around for a clinic in that area. Also, what address did his disability checks come to. Did he have a bank account or did he use a check cashing place?

"I do know he has Multiple Sclerosis. He's in a lot of pain. He once told me he had about 6 years to live and that was a couple years ago and I was surprised when he told me he was going to go live in the woods cause that's a big step when you're ill,” said Barbara.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14986060/detail.html

Just some thoughts.

[SuziQ]

The father of missing hiker Meredith Emerson made a plea Monday for the public to help find his daugher.

"Please have everyone search their minds to recall any evidence that could help bring our daughter home," said Dave Emerson during a news conference near the trail where the 24-year-old hiker was last seen alive.
(more at link)

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14992929/detail.html

[SuziQ]

A 61-year-old man jailed on a charge of kidnapping with bodily injury in the disappearance of a female hiker is expected to appear before a Union County judge at 2 p.m. Monday. (more at link)

http://www.wxia.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=109140

[christine2448]

I would just hate to see a good samaritan be added to the casualty list for an already tragic situation.

And also, I was thinking from your advice, not only someone getting hurt, but critical evidence being compromised.

[georgiagirl]

Not to sound gruesome or anything, but how does Hilton do what he did to Emerson without her dog throwing a fit and creating a rucus? Any sign of harm towards Emerson would have sent Ella into a frenzy. That would have called attention to them. Not to mention be a pain in the ass distraction, and end up with Hilton getting bit. I have two lab mixes about Ella's size and I'm pretty sure they would break free of any restraint they had on if someone harmed me. He had to have have Ella away from the situation somehow. Maybe that's how he controled Emerson, by threatening to harm her dog?

My thought is maybe the dog was subdue somehow....during his attack on Meredith.

[christine2448]

That chain of evidence factor again.

You are right. TY.

I hope they keep this story blasted in the news so that everyone in these counties have their eyes open to what could possibly be more evidence..sadly however, it fades quicker than any of it should, Tara, Theresa, Monica, we could go on and on.

[cwiz24]

And also, I was thinking from your advice, not only someone getting hurt, but critical evidence being compromised.

So true. This guy needs to be punished and every piece of evidence needs to be brought to bear.

[SeekingJana]

I have read some posts which question if Hilton's name is actually what he is giving out. In an interesting coincidence ( or by design if Hilton is lying) I have a friend who is a wonderful psychiatrist in Atlanta. His practice is focused on the specialty of forensic psychiatry...

His name?

Dr. MICHAEL HILTON

[concernedperson]

And also, I was thinking from your advice, not only someone getting hurt, but critical evidence being compromised.

If he was responsible for Patrice Endres' murder too, LE needs to be looking in Dawson County which is right above Forsyth County. This Hilton guy runs that corridor a lot with all the hiking and wilderness action and that is where Patrice's body was found 20 months after her disappearance.

[christine2448]

If he was responsible for Patrice Endres' murder too, LE needs to be looking in Dawson County which is right above Forsyth County. This Hilton guy runs that corridor a lot with all the hiking and wilderness action and that is where Patrice's body was found 20 months after her disappearance.

I read, I believe on myfoxatlanta, that Patrice was found at a church? That is where they have been searching yesterday....wherever she was found, they were searching the same areas and like areas is what they were reporting. I will try and find more info on Patrice relating to this case.

[christine2448]

If he was responsible for Patrice Endres' murder too, LE needs to be looking in Dawson County which is right above Forsyth County. This Hilton guy runs that corridor a lot with all the hiking and wilderness action and that is where Patrice's body was found 20 months after her disappearance.


I found it, on ajc

Endres' remains were found in Dawson County, about 20 months after she was reporting missing.
On Monday, state authorities and deputies from Dawson and Forsyth County were concentrating their search on 20,000 acres in Dawson Forest, Huggins said.

[georgiagirl]

Levi Frady comes to mind.....

Eleven-year-old Levi Frady was last seen on Wednesday, October 22, 1997, on Little Mill Road in Forsyth County. His body was found the next day in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area in Dawson County. Little Mill Road is a well-traveled road between Highway 306 and 369. The Dawson County Sheriff's Office, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and the GBI Regional Office in Gainesville are investigating the murder.
Note: October 22,1997, was the fifth game of the World Series. October 23,1997, was opening day for deer hunting in Dawson Forest for rifles.
Investigators are also seeking the public's help in identifying 2 possible witnesses in the Levi Frady murder case.
The first person in question was seen walking along Little Mill Road in Forsyth County at 6:30 p.m. on October 22, the day Levi was reported missing. Based on witness descriptions, the sketches below - profile and front views - of the man were made by GBI forensic artist Marla. He is described as a white male in his late 50's, with a scruffy, gray beard. He was wearing a faded blue baseball cap. He walked in a stooped fashion.
http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/frady3.jpeg (http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/frady3.jpeg)

[concernedperson]

I found it, on ajc

Endres' remains were found in Dawson County, about 20 months after she was reporting missing.
On Monday, state authorities and deputies from Dawson and Forsyth County were concentrating their search on 20,000 acres in Dawson Forest, Huggins said.

Good, I am glad they are searching there as that is a real possibility.

[Pharlap]

Levi Frady comes to mind.....

Eleven-year-old Levi Frady was last seen on Wednesday, October 22, 1997, on Little Mill Road in Forsyth County. His body was found the next day in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area in Dawson County. Little Mill Road is a well-traveled road between Highway 306 and 369. The Dawson County Sheriff's Office, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and the GBI Regional Office in Gainesville are investigating the murder.
Note: October 22,1997, was the fifth game of the World Series. October 23,1997, was opening day for deer hunting in Dawson Forest for rifles.
Investigators are also seeking the public's help in identifying 2 possible witnesses in the Levi Frady murder case.
The first person in question was seen walking along Little Mill Road in Forsyth County at 6:30 p.m. on October 22, the day Levi was reported missing. Based on witness descriptions, the sketches below - profile and front views - of the man were made by GBI forensic artist Marla. He is described as a white male in his late 50's, with a scruffy, gray beard. He was wearing a faded blue baseball cap. He walked in a stooped fashion.
http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/frady3.jpeg (http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/frady3.jpeg)



Woow, looks like the same guy but younger....:doh:

[SuziQ]

Georgiagirl, a couple of us posted that case last night. I hope LE is looking into it. The composite of the guy without the beard looks like it could be Hilton ten years ago. I was very freaked out when I saw that composite.

[georgiagirl]

Georgiagirl, a couple of us posted that case last night. I hope LE is looking into it. The composite of the guy without the beard looks like it could be Hilton ten years ago. I was very freaked out when I saw that composite.


Ok okay! I have been having trouble keeping up with this thread! But the hairs on the back of my neck stood up when I read over the Levi Frady case and the sketch.....I would not put anything past this guy.

[SuziQ]

The below link has two composite sketches. The one I think looks like Hilton is the one that is from the person seen at or near the scene of where the little boys body was found.

http://tinyurl.com/2c6393

[SuziQ]

Ok okay! I have been having trouble keeping up with this thread! But the hairs on the back of my neck stood up when I read over the Levi Frady case and the sketch.....I would not put anything past this guy.

I'm glad you posted that again. I really want posters to take a look at the composites. I think the thread moved so fast last night alot of posters missed it. So Thank You!

[angelmom]

I hope it helps. It just popped into my head when I was looking at the map. A few years ago I went on a retreat, and we were given the use of a cabin for free b/c we went in February and NO ONE was around. In fact, there was an ice storm overnight, and it took forever to clear the road b/c we were the only ones stuck so it was a low priority. I think it was Feb 2000.

I just remember how creepy it was to have all of these empty houses around and no one in sight or earshot for as far as we could see. Peaceful, but a little scary.

[christine2448]

Can someone remind me, if known, theories on motive for the NC slayings, and the hairdresser. Was anyone sexually assaulted?


I saw, I believe, you all were pulling up info on this guy...is there a timeline of where he has been and where in the last few years. I wonder how many missing, murders and the circumstances of them we could find 'around' this guy??

Those of you that have worked on Sharon Marshall's story recall all the work put into FDF's timeline to try and find Sharon's true identity...it's work but can lead to more evidence and/or crimes. Would love to come up with a list of crimes in the areas he has frequented.

[concernedperson]

The below link has two composite sketches. The one I think looks like Hilton is the one that is from the person seen at or near the scene of where the little boys body was found.

http://tinyurl.com/2c6393

Here is Hilton's mug shot from Friday.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/06/missing_1006a.html

[georgiagirl]

I'm glad you posted that again. I really want posters to take a look at the composites. I think the thread moved so fast last night alot of posters missed it. So Thank You!


I am surprised there is not a thread for Levi Frady in the Cold Case section. I think I will start one...

[angelmom]

I'm dying to know who he called. Don't you think they know by now? Surely if it was another person that LE was looking for they would have put a sketch or photo out, right?

So did they find the person and rule him out?

Was it a business that led them to more clues? A doctor? Someplace that cashes checks? A pawn shop?

Or was he calling somewhere to see if a home was empty...to see if someone was one place so another location was safe? (i.e., if he called someone's house and they answered, then he knows they aren't at their cabin, just to continue with my Lake Lanier cabin theory).

It's driving me nuts.



ETA: That sketch from the Levi Frady case is SCARY!!!

[SuziQ]

Here is Hilton's mug shot from Friday.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/06/missing_1006a.html

I think this composite could be him ten years ago.

http://tinyurl.com/2c6393

Here is his drivers license pic:

http://tinyurl.com/2m9uw4

[christine2448]

I'm dying to know who he called. Don't you think they know by now? Surely if it was another person that LE was looking for they would have put a sketch or photo out, right?

So did they find the person and rule him out?

Was it a business that led them to more clues? A doctor? Someplace that cashes checks? A pawn shop?

Or was he calling somewhere to see if a home was empty...to see if someone was one place so another location was safe? (i.e., if he called someone's house and they answered, then he knows they aren't at their cabin, just to continue with my Lake Lanier cabin theory).

It's driving me nuts.



ETA: That sketch from the Levi Frady case is SCARY!!!

Whoever he called from that pay phone called the police they said on fox atlanta news, that's how they new to fingerprint that phone. I believe they know who it was and have spoke with them..I'll try and find it for us.

[SuziQ]

Christine, here are some links for you:

Originally Posted by SuziQ http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1889921#post1889921)
A link to a blog about the Bryant's, picture and timeline included. Very cute couple.

http://www.dreamindemon.com/2007/11/...ryant-missing/ (http://www.dreamindemon.com/2007/11/18/irene-bryant-murdered-john-bryant-missing/)

John Bryant's FBI page:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/bryant_jd.htm

Originally Posted by SuziQ http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1889967#post1889967)
Yes, the Bryant's. Here is another link with great info:

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pb.../71113131/1260

ATM image

http://www.wyff4.com:80/slideshow/ne...10/detail.html (http://www.wyff4.com/slideshow/ne...10/detail.html)

websleuths thread here

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ghlight=Bryant (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55895&highlight=Bryant)

Lion

(snip)
On April 15, 2004, something went wrong. Patrice had just finished up a hair appointment and was going to have lunch at 11:30am, when someone interrupted her. At around noon, Patrice's next client arrived at the Trim-N-Tan Salon to find it deserted. There was no sign of Patrice. The customer noted that Patrice's belongings were scattered about and her purse had not been taken. Patrice's meal was also left uneaten just outside the microwave. The client became alarmed and notified police. They came and took a report but there was no sign of Patrice anywhere.

http://www.amw.com/missing_persons/case.cfm?id=27631

[drumstick]

The facial measurements are close enough.

Key features .... facial structure, nose, especially the eyebrows ....

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/specialsection/comparison.jpg

[Angelray]

I do a lot of geneology so I have programs to find address, relation, etc. I have not came up with no one by his name that even sounds like him, even checked some military things no luck... seems like I remember them saying that they called him Mac or Mack, does anyone remember this????

[christine2448]

Whoever he called from that pay phone called the police they said on fox atlanta news, that's how they new to fingerprint that phone. I believe they know who it was and have spoke with them..I'll try and find it for us.

Well maybe I misheard, I can't find it now.

Lots of videos on this page.

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5401449&version=36&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

[Angelray]

The facial measurements are close enough.

Key features .... facial structure, nose, especially the eyebrows ....

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh68/specialsection/comparison.jpg

yes they do and look at the ears!

[Angelray]

His eyes to me look so empty sorta like S Petersons did..

[SuziQ]

Authorities found the body of a missing hiker Monday, hours after a judge denied bond to the man accused of kidnapping her in the mountains of northern Georgia. (more at link)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22541845/

[Taximom]

Body Found:
http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/2266695/

Monday night, authorities scheduled a "major announcement" in the case in Dawson County, which is south of Union County. A source close to the investigation said Emerson's remains had been found. (more at link)

Did I miss the major announcement?

:( :( :(

[SuziQ]

I do a lot of geneology so I have programs to find address, relation, etc. I have not came up with no one by his name that even sounds like him, even checked some military things no luck... seems like I remember them saying that they called him Mac or Mack, does anyone remember this????

He does go by Mack or Mac. I think I've seen it both ways. He sure has been under a rock for awhile. That's scary.

[Taximom]

GMH led LE to her body:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/07/missing_0108_web2.html

[MeoW333]

Levi Frady comes to mind.....

Eleven-year-old Levi Frady was last seen on Wednesday, October 22, 1997, on Little Mill Road in Forsyth County. His body was found the next day in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area in Dawson County. Little Mill Road is a well-traveled road between Highway 306 and 369. The Dawson County Sheriff's Office, the Forsyth County Sheriff's Office and the GBI Regional Office in Gainesville are investigating the murder.
Note: October 22,1997, was the fifth game of the World Series. October 23,1997, was opening day for deer hunting in Dawson Forest for rifles.
Investigators are also seeking the public's help in identifying 2 possible witnesses in the Levi Frady murder case.
The first person in question was seen walking along Little Mill Road in Forsyth County at 6:30 p.m. on October 22, the day Levi was reported missing. Based on witness descriptions, the sketches below - profile and front views - of the man were made by GBI forensic artist Marla. He is described as a white male in his late 50's, with a scruffy, gray beard. He was wearing a faded blue baseball cap. He walked in a stooped fashion.
http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/frady3.jpeg (http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/frady3.jpeg)


It's too close for comfort, it could be GMH.. i just did a comparison with his mug shot..

[SuziQ]

It's too close for comfort, it could be GMH.. i just did a comparison with his mug shot..

There are two composite sketches of what is supposedly two men. I think he looks like the one seen in the area the little boys body was found. The composite I'm talking about is the one without the hat.

[SuziQ]

And Levi went missing on the same road that appears to be one of Hilton's favorite routes of travel.

[dark_shadows]

You can bet that his lawyer to plead insanity.
Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[MeoW333]

Dawson Forest Levi Frady was found there and now Meredith, also..
We have a serial killer on our hands.
We should run a check on any missing persons remains discovered bodies found around wooded areas hiking etc from FL to PA the whole eastern seaboard. That one post found said that someone had seen him up near PA laying his blankets out to dry on a fence. I wonder if he had a pattern of sticking around the warmer states during winter and then traveling north more once summer got there..

[MeoW333]

There are two composite sketches of what is supposedly two men. I think he looks like the one seen in the area the little boys body was found. The composite I'm talking about is the one without the hat.

Suzi where do i find the composite of the one without the hat? GMH has those arching eyebrows..

[MeoW333]

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/frady.html

Here's the link with the 3 composite sketches on it i found it forget i still had that page open

[SuziQ]

http://www.ganet.org/gbi/homicides/fradywitness.jpg

The second potential witness, left, was seen in the Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area. He is described as a white male, 45 to 55 years of age, clean shaven, 6' 0" to 6' 1" tall, slim build with white or gray hair. He was driving a 1980 to 1985 medium blue Toyota, 2 wheel drive, pick-up truck with a white camper shell over the bed of the vehicle.

[SeriouslySearching]

hmmm guess I was wrong about Hilton and Levi. Sad, but maybe they can connect him and give his family some closure, too.

I hope Hilton confesses to everything he has done.

[snarkymalarkey]

Any word on other id cards he had in his possession? I understand he could be linked to 3 other murders. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds, what else was in the van etc...

[SuziQ]

Endres was found in Dawson county as well.

[SuziQ]

Dawson County deputies told Channel 2's John Bachman Emerson's body was found just a mile and a half away from where 11-year-old Levi Frady's body was found in 1997. His murder was never solved. The Georgia Amber Alert system -- Levi's call -- was named after him.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14998360/detail.html

[SuziQ]

Cheryl Dunlap's body in the Appalachicola National Forest two weeks after her car was found with a flat tire.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/14998360/detail.html

[reportertype]

I would definitely check into any hiking/wilderness areas just as suggested. He's obviously mobile and into the outdoors. I shudder to think what all he's done that hasn't been linked because of distance or because he doesn't do the exact same thing each time.

[SuziQ]

Steve has a new blog up about Levi's case:

http://www.truecrimeweblog.com/2008/01/who-is-gary-michael-hilton.html

[JinxieJada]

We have speculation that this guy was sighted all the way to PA so far right? (Does the AP run that far up/over?) Any rumors on further north?

How long have people been seeing him "around" - not his record..but how long has he been known to people?

Any other locations he's well known at?

This person had me looking in other directions as ya'll know. But I now see what some of you spoke of, and I have fears that Meredith wasn't his first...esp w/ the composites everyone has been posting today concerning others gones missing and/or deceased. What would be a good starting point/site to start looking for others that have been found in the areas w/ no person caught for the crime?

[reportertype]

I would start with crimes committed in or around well-known hiking and wilderness areas. That includes anyone assaulted, abducted or found dead in these areas. That's a lot to cover, I know.

[SuziQ]

Two more cases from Athens. Both UGA students, one includes arson. They both resemble Tara Grinstead, IMO:

http://tinyurl.com/2qjqga (http://tinyurl.com/2qjqga)

http://tinyurl.com/2s4shk (http://tinyurl.com/2s4shk)

[SuziQ]

Here is a link to GBI's unsolved cases:

http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866881,00.html

[SuziQ]

The below linked comment probably explains the duck tape on the jacket in the Bryant ATM pics.

Investigators have a bank video of a man wearing a yellow jacket -- believed to have belonged to John Bryant -- while using the Bryant's ATM card.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/07/georgia.hiker/index.html

[JinxieJada]

Here is a link to GBI's unsolved cases:

http://gbi.georgia.gov/00/channel_modifieddate/0,2096,67862954_67866881,00.html




Thanks Suz!

Not sure what/how much I'll find tonight, eyes lids are starting to droop...dang insomnia finally catching up with me! Should we post here or are we starting a forum topic for any possible connections- Or are we possibly getting one one GMH and what he may be connected to?

Mods?

[SuziQ]

:blowkiss: Mods, please, please, please can we have a forum. We have five cases so far being investigated for a link to Hilton and there may be more to come. It would be great to have a forum to keep it all organized. TIA.

[JinxieJada]

Please, please with sugar on top! You are our great powerful mods, we just have this one little request...Pleaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssseee? :blowkiss:

[Schmerty_Jones]

Pretty Please with sugar on top???This is a case that needs a forum. TIA:)

[SuziQ]

Here is a link to a great video outlining the possible related cases and interviews a person who had run ins with Hilton:

http://www.wsbtv.com/video/14998913/index.html?taf=atl

[LionRun]

Thank you for the link, SuziQ:).

Lion

[SuziQ]

Dunlap, a nurse and Sunday School teacher from Crawfordville, went missing Dec. 1 and was found dead two weeks later in the Apalachicola National Forest in Leon County. A man wearing a homemade mask was captured on camera using her bank card at a West Tennessee Street ATM.

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080107/BREAKINGNEWS/80107012

[SuziQ]

Dunlap related ATM pic, Am I imagining things or do the eyes look like Hilton's?:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4010778&page=1

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_dunlap2_071217_ms.jpg

[WindChime]

It was just reported on Cnn Headline News that Hilton lead LE to Meredith's body. I wonder if he was promised by the DA that if he told LE where she was they would not seek the DP.

[ThoughtFox]

This is just so tragic! I'm so sorry for the families of these missing people, but hopefully they have the right man in custody and some of these deaths will be solved.

It's giving me the creeps because that is really close to where I live, and it makes me wonder if this guy has ever driven through my own community! Also, down in Dawson and Forsyth Counties, my husband always makes jokes about the movie "Deliverance," where the men are attacked out in the wilderness. I always dismiss that as a stereotype and just laugh at him, but believe me - I will never laugh at that again.

[SuziQ]

Another Dunlap related ATM Pic:

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071211/BREAKINGNEWS/71211012

http://cmsimg.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CD&Date=20071211&Category=BREAKINGNEWS&ArtNo=71211012&Ref=V3&MaxW=300

[txsvicki]

Hilton looks so evil, just everything about him. They said on Nancy Grace that cases that could involve him will be investigated in Florida also.

[Elphaba]

It was just reported on Cnn Headline News that Hilton lead LE to Meredith's body. I wonder if he was promised by the DA that if he told LE where she was they would not seek the DP.

That is definitely a huge possibility. But if they did, wouldn't her family have a say into putting the DP on the table as a bargaining chip? or is it too early in the investigation for them to have input from her family on how to handle Hilton?

[SuziQ]

If you go to the below link and click on picture 22, it shows Hilton standing up in court. To me his stature matches the ATM pics in the Bryant and Dunlap cases.

http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/metro/gwinnett/missingall/

[MeoW333]

If Hilton is found guilty of other crimes such as Meredith's in other states, will that make it federal, and he will have to go to federal court/prison? How does that work?

Suzi, i see the stature matching also, i heard they were going to check into some other unsolveds.
I wonder if he will try and cash in all his chips at once so to speak; with taking responsibility for other crimes; if he's going to jail for life at the very least with death penalty even, he may as well go down as a serial killer. He seems to like to keep them guessing.
They probably offered him a deal if he lead them to Meredith's body (a deal means nothing especially since he's most likely connected with other cases).

[Mygirlsadie]

Yes he does look grose and stinky. Anyway if he did murder these adults I believe it was for the money as he was either trying or did use their debit cards/credit cards etc.. But why would he kidnap and kill the little boy Levi?

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes he does look grose and stinky. Anyway if he did murder these adults I believe it was for the money as he was either trying or did use their debit cards/credit cards etc.. But why would he kidnap and kill the little boy Levi?This is why I have trouble with the boy myself. However, could the boy have seen him doing something he wasn't supposed to see? Only thing I can think of.

[SeriouslySearching]

Photos from Dunlap ATM:
http://cmsimg.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CD&Date=20071211&Category=BREAKINGNEWS&ArtNo=71211012&Ref=V2&MaxW=300http://cmsimg.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CD&Date=20071211&Category=BREAKINGNEWS&ArtNo=71211012&Ref=V3&MaxW=300
The man who used the card was fully covered in a long-sleeve shirt, gloves and some type of mask, Wood said. He also wore a knit cap and goggles, Wood said.

Wood did not say how much money was taken out of Dunlap’s account, but the man used her pin number, he said.
http://cmsimg.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=CD&Date=20071211&Category=BREAKINGNEWS&ArtNo=71211012&Ref=V3&MaxW=300

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071211/BREAKINGNEWS/71211012

Check out that mask! What do you think it is? It looks homemade to me, but out of what? Any ideas?

[SieSie]

Side-by-side comparison of GMH (2 pictures) with the 2nd witness suspect (sketch) from Levi Frady's case (keep in mind the sketch is from 10 years ago):

http://i15.tinypic.com/6yyxe86.jpg

Source of sketch: Levi Frady's unsolved case at Zimbio.com (http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?ZURL=%2FGary%2BMichael%2BHilton%2Farticles%2 F1%2FWelcome%2Bwikizine%2BGary%2BMichael%2BHilton% 2BMeredith&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ganet.org%2Fgbi%2Fhomicides%2 Ffrady.html)

[SieSie]

Check out that mask! What do you think it is? It looks homemade to me, but out of what? Any ideas?
I thought it looked like some sort of tape, like duct tape but not quite. Weird, very weird!! How could he even see out of it? It was even covering his eyes.

[SeriouslySearching]

The article said he was wearing goggles so maybe it just appeared that way. Obviously, he could see.

Hmmmm duct tape huh? Possible.

[SeriouslySearching]

The sketch on Frady's case bothers me because of the eyebrows. Hilton's brows are SO distinct! The sharpness of them and thickness: ^^ I would think it would be one of the first things they put into a sketch because it definitely was the first thing I noticed about him.

The rest of the face matches quite well tho...especially the nose.

[Littledeer]

SS:

I agree about the nose. In all three pics (including the 1997 drawing) it appears that the nose had been broken at one time on the upper bridge.

His adam's apple is very pronounced which does not show up on the sketch, but that could be due to the aging process. Is there anyone here good at photobucket to maybe take the sketch and take off the hair, etc.?

[Littledeer]

or possibly do an overlay with the sketch to the picture?

[Mohabi]

I'm certainly no artist, but I can Photoshop a bit. I've played around with the sketch and the photograph. Whoever the artist was who drew that sketch...he or she was incredible! The person describing the suspect was equally good. I have found a TOTAL match. Eyes, nose, folds around the mouth, it's all there and unmistakable. I wish I knew how to post the juxtaposed sketch/photo. All I did was to rotate the sketch a bit to match the photo position and to make the photo a bit transparent to let the sketch show through. The only thing "off" are the ears, but most artists have at least one face detail they get wrong every time. Besides....I wouldn't quite concentrate on the ears of a suspect when giving a description, unless he looked like Mr. Spock....

How can I upload my composite?

[Mohabi]

I think I figured out how to upload. Let's try it. The eyebrows are in the right position and strangely enough those of the sketch blend with those of the photos, although when you compare them they don't look the same at all. In the juxtaposition ...it works.

http://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii98/Mohabi24/?action=view&current=Sketchoverphoto.jpghttp://s262.photobucket.com/albums/ii98/Mohabi24/?action=view&current=Composite1.jpg

[SeriouslySearching]

Great, Mohabi! I see you figured it out! It is hard to tell, but it does fit much better than I expected.

[Mohabi]

Thanks SS :) Gotta run to work....

[SeriouslySearching]

This gives a better idea where her body was found:

The body of the 24-year-old was discovered in the forest, a 24,000-acre tract north of Dawsonville and east of Dahlonega on Ga. 52 that contains Amicalola Falls State Park. The park is about 10 miles from where Emerson's bloody clothes and identification were located Friday by Forsyth County deputies.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/07/missing_0108_web2.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newsta b

Not that we will ever know for sure, but my theory of him going on Wolf Pen Gap still could be right. If he drove that road it circles back around to the area from 180 to 52.

[Mygirlsadie]

SS it could be..who knows. Maybe he killed little Levi because it was one of his first kills and basically used the boy as 'practice'? Ugh I hate to think of these kinds of things...




This is why I have trouble with the boy myself. However, could the boy have seen him doing something he wasn't supposed to see? Only thing I can think of.

[SeriouslySearching]

Were there any other missing or murder cases near the time the boy was killed that he could have been witness to?

[georgiagirl]

Authorities found the body of a missing hiker Monday, hours after a judge denied bond to the man accused of kidnapping her in the mountains of northern Georgia. (more at link)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22541845/

OMG. She was found in the same place as Levi Frady.....

[SuziQ]

Thanks Mohabi and SieSie for the pic work.

My thoughts this morning on Levi are that the boy merely pissed Hilton off somehow. Walked in front of his vehicle. Gave him a dirty look. Who knows. But everything I've been hearing indicates Hilton has been taking his agressions out on people for a long time. Why he wasn't put away for assault years ago, I have no clue. He sure has a thing for hitting people whether it's with a fly swatter or baton.

If you blow up the ATM pic on the Dunlap case, I swear it's his eye's and mouth. The tape looks to be like masking tape. I don't think he's wearing goggles. Mabye SieSie or Mohabi can blow up that pic and clean it up?

At first I thought that Hilton's motives were robbery as the ATM seems to be a common theme. But look at all the driving he does, then consider gas prices and the time invested in each case. That would negate his profits quickly. I now wonder if murder was the motive and the ATM cash was merely a side benefit.

[SuziQ]

(snip)
Investigators handling the killing of a Henderson County woman and the disappearance of her husband in Pisgah National Forest found some similarities in the cases after meeting with Georgia authorities, Transylvania County Sheriff David Mahoney said.
They also ruled out any yellow jacket link, something that had emerged as a first similarity in the cases.

http://citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880108006

[concernedperson]

OMG. She was found in the same place as Levi Frady.....

Also found where Patrice Endres's body was found.

[georgiagirl]

It was just reported on Cnn Headline News that Hilton lead LE to Meredith's body. I wonder if he was promised by the DA that if he told LE where she was they would not seek the DP.

Even if he was given the DP, at his age he would probably die of natural causes before it is carried out....

[christine2448]

Also found where Patrice Endres's body was found.

You called that yesterday didn't ya! You have been spot on throughout this case CP.

[christine2448]

It was just reported on Cnn Headline News that Hilton lead LE to Meredith's body.

Kudo's to all working on this case, they got him to talk and take them to her....let's hope they can get him to talk more.

I am so sorry to all involved.

[georgiagirl]

Thanks Mohabi and SieSie for the pic work.

My thoughts this morning on Levi are that the boy merely pissed Hilton off somehow. Walked in front of his vehicle. Gave him a dirty look. Who knows. But everything I've been hearing indicates Hilton has been taking his agressions out on people for a long time. Why he wasn't put away for assault years ago, I have no clue. He sure has a thing for hitting people whether it's with a fly swatter or baton.

If you blow up the ATM pic on the Dunlap case, I swear it's his eye's and mouth. The tape looks to be like masking tape. I don't think he's wearing goggles. Mabye SieSie or Mohabi can blow up that pic and clean it up?

At first I thought that Hilton's motives were robbery as the ATM seems to be a common theme. But look at all the driving he does, then consider gas prices and the time invested in each case. That would negate his profits quickly. I now wonder if murder was the motive and the ATM cash was merely a side benefit.


I think you could be right about the motive for Levi. I was sort of thinking the same thing....

I personally think this guy just gets off on killing people. That is why there is no particular "type" he prefers. Or maybe it is when someone pisses him off he decides to kill them...

[christine2448]

Thanks Suz!

Not sure what/how much I'll find tonight, eyes lids are starting to droop...dang insomnia finally catching up with me! Should we post here or are we starting a forum topic for any possible connections- Or are we possibly getting one one GMH and what he may be connected to?

Mods?

:blowkiss: Mods, please, please, please can we have a forum. We have five cases so far being investigated for a link to Hilton and there may be more to come. It would be great to have a forum to keep it all organized. TIA.


I mentioned this to Windy who will mention to Chico. We may have to put this off for the moment (the forum) because of recent/current tech. issues. I believe once the issues are fully resolved we can then decide if a forum is needed.

[concernedperson]

I think you could be right about the motive for Levi. I was sort of thinking the same thing....

I personally think this guy just gets off on killing people. That is why there is no particular "type" he prefers. Or maybe it is when someone pisses him off he decides to kill them...

Or he is just an opportunist. If we think of all the potential victims he could be involved with that is the commonality. Females alone, small child, elderly couple and possibly young imbibed men. Robbery is part of his MO but so is vulnerability.

[SuziQ]

A few snippets from a previously linked local blog regarding run-ins and experiences with Hilton:

http://www.zimbio.com/Gary+Michael+Hilton/articles/1/Welcome+wikizine+Gary+Michael+Hilton+Meredith

Anyone who had siding work or other remodeling work done by Insulated Wall Systems going back into the 1990's should be coming forward to identify those neighborhoods. It is a fact that Mack Hilton was the person you likely spoke to setting up your appointment! Mr. John Tabor would have Mack Hilton drive around neighborhoods collecting addresses of homes that looked like they needed siding work and from those addresses Mack collected, Mr. Tabor would send out a post card
***

I did think it a bit odd that he was wearing a belt with other gear such as water bottles, and I believe he was also carrying a "walking stick" of some type. I remember saying something like, "Wow --you must be hiking a long distance!" Not long after the dogs and I had returned home, I remember seeing him standing on the corner opposite my house and thinking it was a bit weird because he had been walking in the opposite direction when I first saw him. **Shudder**
***

What I want to know is why his employer at the remodeling company on Clairmont Rd. in Chamblee did not contact the police immediately? Why did it take a customer of the remodeling company to come to the Sheriff first with the name and location of his employer?
Must be because "Mack Hilton" aka Gary Michael Hilton had made a lasting negative impression on that customer! Why would that customer have taken a picture of Hilton's Van parked at that remodeling business? What was it that caused all the pieces to come together so that important phone call could be made? Sometimes Justice has a strange way of working!
http://www6.pictures.zimbio.com/img/d4b8/StrangeThingsHappen/2m.jpg
Picture taken of Mack's Van at the place where he worked.
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For those of you in Atlanta who may have seen many of us who live near Murphy Candler Park interviewed on TV, we are all traumatized by the horrendous actions of this strange man who frequented our park and walked past our homes regularly until a few months ago. We wonder was he using us and our park as some sort of sick field training for what he was planning in a more remote park? I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out he is responsible for the missing UGA girl also missing since hiking with her dog on Dec. 30. How many others are there???
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[Pharlap]

(snip)
Investigators handling the killing of a Henderson County woman and the disappearance of her husband in Pisgah National Forest found some similarities in the cases after meeting with Georgia authorities, Transylvania County Sheriff David Mahoney said.
They also ruled out any yellow jacket link, something that had emerged as a first similarity in the cases.

http://citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200880108006


If doesn't mean (to me) he didn't do it....

[SuziQ]

I mentioned this to Windy who will mention to Chico. We may have to put this off for the moment (the forum) because of recent/current tech. issues. I believe once the issues are fully resolved we can then decide if a forum is needed.

Thank you!

[Pharlap]

A few snippets from a previously linked local blog regarding run-ins and experiences with Hilton:

http://www.zimbio.com/Gary+Michael+Hilton/articles/1/Welcome+wikizine+Gary+Michael+Hilton+Meredith

Anyone who had siding work or other remodeling work done by Insulated Wall Systems going back into the 1990's should be coming forward to identify those neighborhoods. It is a fact that Mack Hilton was the person you likely spoke to setting up your appointment! Mr. John Tabor would have Mack Hilton drive around neighborhoods collecting addresses of homes that looked like they needed siding work and from those addresses Mack collected, Mr. Tabor would send out a post card
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I did think it a bit odd that he was wearing a belt with other gear such as water bottles, and I believe he was also carrying a "walking stick" of some type. I remember saying something like, "Wow --you must be hiking a long distance!" Not long after the dogs and I had returned home, I remember seeing him standing on the corner opposite my house and thinking it was a bit weird because he had been walking in the opposite direction when I first saw him. **Shudder**
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What I want to know is why his employer at the remodeling company on Clairmont Rd. in Chamblee did not contact the police immediately? Why did it take a customer of the remodeling company to come to the Sheriff first with the name and location of his employer?
Must be because "Mack Hilton" aka Gary Michael Hilton had made a lasting negative impression on that customer! Why would that customer have taken a picture of Hilton's Van parked at that remodeling business? What was it that caused all the pieces to come together so that important phone call could be made? Sometimes Justice has a strange way of working!
http://www6.pictures.zimbio.com/img/d4b8/StrangeThingsHappen/2m.jpg
Picture taken of Mack's Van at the place where he worked.
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For those of you in Atlanta who may have seen many of us who live near Murphy Candler Park interviewed on TV, we are all traumatized by the horrendous actions of this strange man who frequented our park and walked past our homes regularly until a few months ago. We wonder was he using us and our park as some sort of sick field training for what he was planning in a more remote park? I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out he is responsible for the missing UGA girl also missing since hiking with her dog on Dec. 30. How many others are there???
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Bumping...

[concernedperson]

If doesn't mean (to me) he didn't do it....

It doesn't mean that to me either. If he was adept at roaming as it appears no telling how many petty thefts he has done along the way. Steal clothing, discard clothing, etc. Also, his job with the siding company required he ride around looking for houses that needed work so I imagine he became astute at who was home or if the house was unoccupied.

[olympicprincess]

I am so sorry to all involved.
The animal lover in me has to know: what happened to his dog?

[txsvicki]

Dunlap related ATM pic, Am I imagining things or do the eyes look like Hilton's?:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4010778&page=1

http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/ht_dunlap2_071217_ms.jpg


I think the neck looks like Hilton's as well as the build. Even the same build as the atm video involving the murdered elderly couple, or at least the woman. I saw Hilton on tv and could see his neck better than these pics. Very wiry and prominent veins. I believe the man is still missing?

[SuziQ]

The animal lover in me has to know: what happened to his dog?

IIRC, DeKalb County animal control has Dandy.

[SuziQ]

I think the neck looks like Hilton's as well as the build. Even the same build as the atm video involving the murdered elderly couple, or at least the woman. I saw Hilton on tv and could see his neck better than these pics. Very wiry and prominent veins. I believe the man is still missing?

Yes, the husband is still missing.

[sweetmop]

I think this creep is most likely the perp in the Irene and John Bryant case too. I really do. This couple were neighbors of mine!

Yes, Hilton looks like the guy in the ATM photos to me too.

I think he is responsible for many many crimes, and deaths!

[Reannan]

I think it is the same guy in the ATM videos we have seen thus far also. Same build, same slump to shoulders, and duct tape. I bet anything there is duct tape somehow used in the ATM footage we haven't seen yet in the Emerson case. You guys are doing a great job. Wish I wasn't at work and could check in more often. Stupid job.....:doh:

[englishleigh]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out he is responsible for the missing UGA girl also missing since hiking with her dog on Dec. 30. How many others are there???
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OMG...what UGA girl? Is there a thread for HER? :furious: I live 1 1/2 hours from the Atlanta area on the AL/GA line, so I have watched this case with extreme interest.

[georgiagirl]

OMG...what UGA girl? Is there a thread for HER? :furious: I live 1 1/2 hours from the Atlanta area on the AL/GA line, so I have watched this case with extreme interest.


Cayle Bywater...

http://findcayle.blogspot.com/

[georgiagirl]

OMG...what UGA girl? Is there a thread for HER? :furious: I live 1 1/2 hours from the Atlanta area on the AL/GA line, so I have watched this case with extreme interest.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58041&highlight=Cayle+Bywater

[englishleigh]

From the blog-link above:



UPDATE - the Bywaters were notified by law enforcement officials today that there are no links between Cayle's case and Meredith Emerson's. Which, frankly, is very good news. Our deepest thoughts and prayers go out to Meredith's family; we can imagine all too well the pain they are suffering at this time.

[englishleigh]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58041&highlight=Cayle+Bywater

Thanks, Georgiagirl!!

[Pharlap]

From the blog-link above:



UPDATE - the Bywaters were notified by law enforcement officials today that there are no links between Cayle's case and Meredith Emerson's. Which, frankly, is very good news. Our deepest thoughts and prayers go out to Meredith's family; we can imagine all too well the pain they are suffering at this time.


Not going to count it out yet, till they find her.

[englishleigh]

Not going to count it out yet, till they find her.

Very true, and I hope they are looking at the Levi Frady case from a decade ago, too. There is a HUGE chance he was involved in that.

[SuziQ]

Which LE officials notified them? I hope it wasn't the original ones on her case because they have treated Bywater as just another nutcase who ran off. Just because LE hasn't found a connection...yet, doesn't mean there is no connection. LE shouldn't jerk the family's chain like that.

[Pharlap]

Very true, and I hope they are looking at the Levi Frady case from a decade ago, too. There is a HUGE chance he was involved in that.


If I remember correctly he didn't have a permanent address since 1999, right?
Very scary.

[concernedperson]

I wonder if Cheryl Hodges (Leon County, Fl.) and Meredith's cases will be similar as far as cause of death. GBI was quick to say after finding the clothes that the chance was slim to none of her being alive. I hate to even post that but I was worried all night that would be the case.

The family will be giving a presser or making a statement later this afternoon.

[georgiagirl]

Yes he does look grose and stinky. Anyway if he did murder these adults I believe it was for the money as he was either trying or did use their debit cards/credit cards etc.. But why would he kidnap and kill the little boy Levi?

I believe, as someone else stated, that little Levi just crossed his path and teed him off in some way......

[SuziQ]

According to Hilton's baton ordering friend. He's lived out of the building he worked at for the past 7 years or so until he went to live in the woods. That would be the siding company he scouted business for.

I also have an issue with "Barbara", the baton ordering friend. Supposedly she knew of Hilton's irratic behavior (eveyone did!) and attacking cars driving between her office and the siding companies. And yet she orders a baton, (as you and I would) for the yahoo? Now she says she never felt threatened by him? Sounds to me she's saying that because she feels like a dope for ordering the baton for him in the first place.

I said from the beginning that LE is familiar with this guy and that appears to be the case. In a video I linked a woman stated she had a violent run in at his favorite dog park in 1994 and called 911. The answering officer said, IIRC, that Hilton wasn't normal, but that he didn't considered him to be dangerous. The officers response tells me they knew who this woman was calling about. LE says they have no record. But you can't tell me that someone getting their car beat up didn't call LE.

[schultzan31]

Hi everyone I've been lurking on this thread for awhile now waiting for my account to get activated.. so glad that it finally did.
Unfortunantly we are not meeting on the best of terms...I've been following the news of Meredith quite obsessively and held out hope until the last minute...I was quite crushed (but not suprised) when her body was found.
I have several thoughts..first off, while I am not one to believe in psychics, I know that Brian from www.briansdream.com (http://www.briansdream.com) has been mentioned on the websleuths board a lot. I did want to put it out there in case it has not been discussed, that Brian had an RV that suggested that Gary Hilton was a serial killer and had killed 7 people. Not suprising with all the cases being looked into.
Also, keep in mind that while a killer going to an ATM certainly could connect Hilton to a case, if you google "ATM and murder" countless numbers of cases come up..this is not an uncommon thing for a murderer to do (I completely thought otherwise before I researched it)

Does it seem to anyone else that Hilton "wanted" to be caught? If he is a serial killer he has certainly not left as much evidence around as he did in Meredith's case.. or maybe his mind is deteriorating (talk of mental illness or MS) I just find it curious that he has never slipped up before.. or maybe the LE was just really on the ball this time.

As for Ella being alive, I can understand that..I have an unusual bond with my animals and I'm not a big fan of people..not that I'd ever kill anyone but I can see someone loving an animal but still being capable of murdering a person..people hurt you, animals show unconditional love. However, I do believe that Hilton may not have meant to let Ella go. I wonder what kind of condition she was in when they found her in terms of mental health..was she shoken up? scared? I have a feeling he may have put her in the van when he attacked Meredith..but that brings up another question..why did no one hear either of the dogs barking? Perhaps Ella didn't bark, but most animals would if they sensed something was wrong.

I apologize for the length of this post..I have been sitting here anxiously awaiting my account activation and have much to catch up on.

[SuziQ]

I believe, as someone else stated, that little Levi just crossed his path and teed him off in some way......

As far as I know, there's never been any info released that he was sexually assaulted. But someone shot him three time, am I correct on that? Who would just kidnap and shoot a little boy three times. Probably someone who walked around threatening, assaulting and hitting people and their property.

[SuziQ]

Welcome Shultzan. I'm not a fan of Brian's at all. But I'll save the why's for another day. I've always wondered about the close proximity of two adults and two dogs in a van. That's why I think another location or two vehicles were used. We still don't know for sure where the second van is. An employee of Krogers posted a blog that stated she found Ella and that Ella was very timid.

[schultzan31]

Here's a recent article that has a bit more information than most of the news sources:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/08/emerson_0109.html
A press briefing has been called at 3:30 p.m. at the Athens home of family spokesman Peggy Bailey

Emerson's parents, who flew in from Colorado last Wednesday to help in the search, met briefly with reporters at Vogel State Park on Monday afternoon. They had Meredith's dog Ella, a black Labrador mix, with them.

....he (Hilton) could be heard telling Union County Sheriff Scott Stephens that he had been treated well since he was brought to the jail Saturday night.
"They got me three blankets and they're taking good care of me," said Hilton, whose only other comment was at the end of the hearing when he turned to his attorney and said "Thank you." His attorney declined to comment on the case before the hearing and could not be reached afterward.

[schultzan31]

Welcome Shultzan. I'm not a fan of Brian's at all. But I'll save the why's for another day. I've always wondered about the close proximity of two adults and two dogs in a van. That's why I think another location or two vehicles were used. We still don't know for sure where the second van is. An employee of Krogers posted a blog that stated she found Ella and that Ella was very timid.

Curious as to why Ella didn't have blood on her? But she is black so she very well may have..

Thanks for the welcome. If you ever get some time, go ahead and shoot me a PM and tell me about your opinion of Brians.. I have been somewhat skeptical of some things.. I'd be interested in hearing someone else's take on it.

So Ella was timid.. I wonder what her usual demeanor is? I know that if my chocolate lab was running around in a parking lot he'd prolly be excited if anyone came up to him, not timid (depending on the person probably) since he's such a friendly dog. Seems like Ella was friendly too, I wonder if that behavior is unusual for her.

Just trying to get a sense of what that poor dog must have seen/been through. I'm just so glad he spared her for the sake of Meredith's family.

[SuziQ]

It also appears that Hilton wasn't really a fan of dogs per say. He was a fan of very well behaved and well trained dogs. On numerous occasions he threatened dog owner's pets because he claimed they weren't well behaved. He ranted and raved to one person while waving (the baton?) that he was chasing a pack of wild dogs. What a freak job.

[concernedperson]

It also appears that Hilton wasn't really a fan of dogs per say. He was a fan of very well behaved and well trained dogs. On numerous occasions he threatened dog owner's pets because he claimed they weren't well behaved. He ranted and raved to one person while waving (the baton?) that he was chasing a pack of wild dogs. What a freak job.

I think you have his personality pegged very well. It seems he was bothering people in Murphy Candler Park for years.

[ember]

Hi everyone I've been lurking on this thread for awhile now waiting for my account to get activated.. so glad that it finally did.
Does it seem to anyone else that Hilton "wanted" to be caught? If he is a serial killer he has certainly not left as much evidence around as he did in Meredith's case.. or maybe his mind is deteriorating (talk of mental illness or MS) I just find it curious that he has never slipped up before.. or maybe the LE was just really on the ball this time.



Welcome Schultzan31!

I think he wanted to get caught too. I think he's had his sick fun and now wants to be taken care of....as mentioned in another post about his warm blankets and how good they are treating him in there. He's getting old now and can't drift forever. And Lord knows he'll die in there before they actually execute him. He looks too comfortable with his situation to make me think he didn't want to get caught.

Except for his height, he reminds me of Couey.

Wishing peace for Meredith and strength for her family.

BTW, kudos to all of you who are digging all of this up. You're doing a great job.

[SeekingJana]

Or he is just an opportunist. If we think of all the potential victims he could be involved with that is the commonality. Females alone, small child, elderly couple and possibly young imbibed men. Robbery is part of his MO but so is vulnerability.

ITA. He is a serial killer who preys on people who appear weak.

I keep thinking about Jenna Nielson. She wasn't weak in the ordinary sense but was almost 9 months pregnant and alone in the convenience store parking lot in the dark.

[MeoW333]

Is there anyone on here in GA that could have Dandy placed with an adoption group, a foster family? It's not Dandy's fault about Hilton. Also it would be good to have more pictures of Dandy, as it would help to trace where Hilton has been. If a potential witness doesn't connect Hilton right away, together with a pic of Dandy, a dark golden retriever i believe, they may connect it, or just remember Dandy and a van, etc.
There's accounts of Hilton being seen all the way north as PA. So there's no doubt he traveled.
In regards to Levi Frady's case; if he was making fun of Hilton, even just laughing or glaring at him, that seems enough to piss Hilton off to the point of murder. Low self esteem, maybe in his mind would make him murder.
I was also thinking about Hilton having 2 white Astro vans in his name. Would he leave one around as a decoy while he drove around in the other? If people assumed he was living in one (not sure which one) it would throw them off to his whereabouts if he was traveling in the other.

[SuziQ]

ITA. He is a serial killer who preys on people who appear weak.

I keep thinking about Jenna Nielson. She wasn't weak in the ordinary sense but was almost 9 months pregnant and alone in the convenience store parking lot in the dark.

And near a homeless encampment wasn't she? How far away was she from where the Bryants were abducted?

[schultzan31]

ITA. He is a serial killer who preys on people who appear weak.

I keep thinking about Jenna Nielson. She wasn't weak in the ordinary sense but was almost 9 months pregnant and alone in the convenience store parking lot in the dark.

I think something sets him off.. the girl that bought him the baton online must have spent time with him alone. Why not kill her? Too obvious?
He's got to have some reason for choosing his victims..
the fact that Meredith had her dog with her makes it hard to believe that someone would think she was helpless, you would think he'd be afraid of the dog causing complications.

also it was said before that he didn't like other dogs (especially ones that were not well behaved)
Why would he let his dog play with Meredith's? sounds like he might have had the intent to kill someone that day, perhaps he was out of money?

I'm going to look at the dates of cases he potentially may have been involved in..is there a pattern?

[schultzan31]

also a thought about the Bryant case... lets say the killer kept John around so that he could get the ATM pin.

No offense to any women (as I am one myself) but wouldn't it make sense to keep the wife around, rather than the husband? She would be less likely to fight back, she was also older than her husband if I remember correctly.

[SuziQ]

I'm thinking that in the Bryant case, that the wife was killed right away because she was making that 911 call that never went through. She died from blunt force trauma to the head. She was found weeks later not far from where the Bryants car was found. I think the husband was taken away from the area in another vehicle after his wife was killed.

[englishleigh]

I think something sets him off.. the girl that bought him the baton online must have spent time with him alone. Why not kill her? Too obvious?
He's got to have some reason for choosing his victims..


Maybe in Meredith's case, he began to creep her out so she asked him to leave her and Ella alone, and it pissed him off (rejection), so then he killed her?

[schultzan31]

I'm thinking that in the Bryant case, that the wife was killed right away because she was making that 911 call that never went through. She died from blunt force trauma to the head. She was found weeks later not far from where the Bryants car was found. I think the husband was taken away from the area in another vehicle after his wife was killed.

The 911 Call was made the day after the Bryants left for the trail, right?
So they technically went missing October 22nd.

Oct 22, 2007 Bryants
Dec 1st, 2007 - Dunlap
October 22, 1997 - Frady
April 15, 2004 -Endres
Dec 29, 2007 - Bywater
Jan 1st, 2007 - Emerson
Anniversary killing? are there any other cases that may possibly link?

[SuziQ]

I think Barbara is either a defender of Hilton to a fault, or just wanted to keep Hilton on her good side since she had to deal with him on a daily basis. We all know what happens if you are on Hilton's bad side.

[SuziQ]

Cheryl Dunlap went missing on Dec 1st, 2007. Her card was used at the ATM on Dec 2,3 and 4.

Cayle Bywater went missing on Dec 29, 2007

[georgiagirl]

Maybe in Meredith's case, he began to creep her out so she asked him to leave her and Ella alone, and it pissed him off (rejection), so then he killed her?

I was listening to Q100, a local radio station this morning and they were talking about Meredith since she was an active listener of their morning show. According to her friends she was described as outspoken and feisty.....

[SeekingJana]

And near a homeless encampment wasn't she? How far away was she from where the Bryants were abducted?

Yes, it is said that Jenna was near where homeless people slept, or that the knife was found there, one or the other, not sure which. Both areas were in close proximity, though.

I have NO clue as to whether Jenna was found in the same part of NC as the Bryants, or whether there is some reason that Hilton can't be considered a suspect in her murder... Maybe the posters who live in NC can offer a more educated response about location and routes. I don't put any opportunistic murder past this creep.

JUSTICE FOR JENNA !!!

[schultzan31]

Cheryl Dunlap went missing on Dec 1st, 2007. Her card was used at the ATM on Dec 2,3 and 4.

Cayle Bywater went missing on Dec 29, 2007

oops sorry I don't know how I misread the 1st for the 19th, thanks.

[SuziQ]

oops sorry I don't know how I misread the 1st for the 19th, thanks.

No prob, Dec 19th was the day Cheryl was found.

[SeekingJana]

I was listening to Q100, a local radio station this morning and they were talking about Meredith since she was an active listener of their morning show. According to her friends she was described as outspoken and feisty.....

Aww, how sad. I pictured her as being able to defend herself and strong, emotionally and physically. It's hard to believe that old creep was able to kill her. What a horrible waste of a promising young life. Rest in the arms of Jesus, sweet Meredith.

[SeekingJana]

I think Barbara is either a defender of Hilton to a fault, or just wanted to keep Hilton on her good side since she had to deal with him on a daily basis. We all know what happens if you are on Hilton's bad side.

I don't see him as being very bright mentally, so she was probably able to stay on his good side by doing little things for him and that dog, and by staying out of his way when he was in a rage about one thing or the other. JMO.

[SuziQ]

Yes, it is said that Jenna was near where homeless people slept, or that the knife was found there, one or the other, not sure which. Both areas were in close proximity, though.

I have NO clue as to whether Jenna was found in the same part of NC as the Bryants, or whether there is some reason that Hilton can't be considered a suspect in her murder... Maybe the posters who live in NC can offer a more educated response about location and routes. I don't put any opportunistic murder past this creep.

JUSTICE FOR JENNA !!!

It's about 250 miles west of the Bryant location. But on a main travel route along the eastern U.S to Pa. If the Pa. sightings are correct then it's not out of the realm of possibility.

[SuziQ]

Location A is the Bryant location and B is Jenna's location, C is Philidelphia.

Does anyone remember if the dates of the Pa. sightings were mentioned?

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=National+Forest+Rd,+Pisgah+Forest,+Transylva nia,+North+Carolina+28768,+United+States&daddr=Raleigh,+north+carolina+to:Philadelphia&mra=pi&mrcr=1&sll=35.727665,-80.717145&sspn=12.09919,20.522461&ie=UTF8&z=6&om=1

[MeoW333]

We need more photos of Dandy; if a witness is used to seeing transients, they may remember Dandy more and be able to connect to Hilton in their memory. Also if parents and their children were driving or spotted Hilton at a rest area, the children may have pointed out the "doggy" to them, anything that could jog people's memories of where he has been..

I don't think Hilton can "get it up". I'm not sure how to put that so i said it like it is. I think he has a sexual malfunction of some sort.

[SeekingJana]

It's about 250 miles west of the Bryant location. But on a main travel route along the eastern U.S to Pa. If the Pa. sightings are correct then it's not out of the realm of possibility.

I hope people start looking at her case with a new viewpoint. Please, if any of you aren't familiar with Jennifer ( Jenna) Nielson's murder, please read about it. I think Hilton could have been in a metro NC area at the time, and this was another crime of opportunity. Preying on someone who seemed weak and who MIGHT have had a lot of money on her because of the newstands being emptied.

What we know is that she was not killed easily. She was manually strangled, which did not kill her, she was hit on the head and had an internal head bleed, which did not kill her, and finally she sustained a knife wound to her left neck, which was 1 inch wide and three inches deep, from behind, and from left to right, indicating a right handed killer.

[SuziQ]

I don't think we should add her to the list, but the info is interesting. Jenna was murdered on June 14th, 2007.

http://justice4jenna.weebly.com/index.html

ETA: I meant not add her to the list yet. But she should be considered. Sorry if that came out wrong!

[MeoW333]

Sighting of Hilton in PA
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Link:
http://www.zimbio.com/Gary+Michael+Hilton/articles/1/Welcome+wikizine+Gary+Michael+Hilton+Meredith

jgenter posted comment:
"I ran into Hilton last Aug or Sept(???) 2007 at a park in East Bradford Twp, PA (near West Chester). He was parked at a trail-head and appeared to have spent the night in his white Astro van. He had many blankets or sleeping bags hung over a fence - as if he was airing them out. I remember wondering why the local police did not notice him, especially since his Georgia license plate was out of place and his appearance was wierd. I wondered how he traveled so far when he appeared as though he was homeless. I thought he was perhaps a Vietnam vet and perhaps received disability payments. He did not appear to be someone who could hold a job.
I am very sorry I did not call the police at the time I saw him. I do not know whether the authorities had any idea Hilton had traveled as far as Pennsyvania. I wish I had said something."

Is there any way to track down this witness to make sure it is legit? It sounds like it, yet just to make sure. Some people will say anything just to say it. If LE could interview this witness, then i'm sure they would know and i'd be curious to see what their take on it would be.

[SuziQ]

Also, when anyone reads Jenna's case, keep in mind that the composite sketch looks like Jenna. I think the sketch is a witness error, IMO.

[SuziQ]

Wow, thanks Meow. BTW, I hope someone adopts Dandy as well. Poor dog.

[MeoW333]

Also, when anyone reads Jenna's case, keep in mind that the composite sketch looks like Jenna. I think the sketch is a witness error, IMO.

Suzi, i think so too, it says its a male yet looks like a female.. the witness probably described Jenna and didn't realize or something...

[SeekingJana]

Also, when anyone reads Jenna's case, keep in mind that the composite sketch looks like Jenna. I think the sketch is a witness error, IMO.

Absolutely, I agree with you, Susie!! It's Jenna.
Oh please pray that her case will be solved soon.
The photos and videos of Jenna remind me of Meredith in that they were both pretty, spunky, friendly young women. OMG, why?:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[concernedperson]

Autopsy nearly complete says GBI. Will release info later this afternoon.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/08/emerson_0109.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

[SuziQ]

I changed to map to reflect West Chester, Pa. per the above post. Of course the sighting will be blown if Hilton can be placed in Georgia during that time frame. According to his friend Barbara he didn't leave for the woods until two months or so ago.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=National+Forest+Rd,+Pisgah+Forest,+Transylva nia,+North+Carolina+28768,+United+States&daddr=Raleigh,+north+carolina+to:West+Chester,+Pa&mra=pi&mrcr=1&sll=35.727665,-80.717145&sspn=12.09919,20.522461&ie=UTF8&z=6&om=1

[schultzan31]

Did they ever figure out how Patrice Endres died?

[concernedperson]

Did they ever figure out how Patrice Endres died?

I don't believe it was ever said but her body was not in tact. They identified her from her dentals.

[schultzan31]

Why have they never released a cause of death in the Dunlap case?

[SuziQ]

Why have they never released a cause of death in the Dunlap case? That is sort of odd.

Same reason as the Endres case. Too much decomp and not intact. In fact LE said the killer took steps to conceal Dunlaps identity. BTW, LE early on said no way no connection to Dunlap, but there had been other recent body part discoveries in the area.

[schultzan31]

Same reason as the Endres case. Too much decomp and not intact. In fact LE said the killer took steps to conceal Dunlaps identity. BTW, LE early on said no way no connection to Dunlap, but there had been other recent body part discoveries in the area.
Ah ok. I got the impression that they would have been able to determine cause of death since she was found a few weeks later.

Looking at the ATM pictures in that case, the body type seems to be similiar to that of the Bryant case. However, look at the shirt.. it is a nice, collared shirt that a man might wear to work. I don't really see Gary Hilton wearing something like that. Also, I wonder if they found the yellow jacket that Hilton was wearing?

[reportertype]

Ah ok. I got the impression that they would have been able to determine cause of death since she was found a few weeks later.

Looking at the ATM pictures in that case, the body type seems to be similiar to that of the Bryant case. However, look at the shirt.. it is a nice, collared shirt that a man might wear to work. I don't really see Gary Hilton wearing something like that. Also, I wonder if they found the yellow jacket that Hilton was wearing?


I had the same thought about the shirt.

[SuziQ]

Georgia Bureau of Investigation officials said Tuesday that a "weapon" was used to kill 24-year-old Meredith Emerson, but they would not provide any details on the type of weapon. (more at link)

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=109214

[georgiagirl]

Georgia Bureau of Investigation officials said Tuesday that a "weapon" was used to kill 24-year-old Meredith Emerson, but they would not provide any details on the type of weapon. (more at link)

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=109214


A baton perhaps.....?