Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC

[SeekingJana]

From Fox news:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321188,00.html


JACKSONVILLE, N.C. — A pregnant Marine based at Camp Lejeune has been missing since before Christmas, and the Onslow County Sheriff's Department is investigating her disappearance.
Authorities say 20-year-old Maria Frances Lauterbach was reported missing Dec. 19 by her mother, who was the last person to speak with her, on Dec. 13. Her cell phone was found Dec. 20 near the main gate at Camp Lejeune.
She is with the 2nd Marine Logistics Group and is about eight months pregnant.

More at link.

[Spazkat9696]

Doesn't look good. I hope she's just hiding out somewhere.

[SeekingJana]

Doesn't look good. I hope she's just hiding out somewhere.

I HOPE she is too. but..
Unless she wants to give birth at home, chances are, she's going public, as in taking a ride to the hospital, as soon as labor hits. I don't know.. why would an 8 mth pregnant woman be in active duty in the service anyway?
If she didn't like being where she was, couldn't she request a discharge due to her pregnancy or a transfer to another base?

IF there hadn't been like 6 pregnant women already killed in the state of NC whose murders are unsolved, I might not have paid that much attention to this case. But the darn statistics of maternal/ fetal homicide in NC alone are staggering!!!

[Mygirlsadie]

Many females in the military become pregnant just like you and me. It's just their job so there is no reason why they can't be or get pregnant. As far as being dishcharged for being pregnant that all has to do with her family care plan meaning if she has suitable daycare for the child. If she does not then yes they will put her out. Being transfered to another base won't happen just because of a baby unless it is her time to be transfered in the first place. Now alot of them are getting preg. to avoid Iraq duty... I won't even say what I think about that because that will bring this to a whole other topic lol.. Anyway prayers to her and her baby I hope they are found soon and safe.





I HOPE she is too. but..
Unless she wants to give birth at home, chances are, she's going public, as in taking a ride to the hospital, as soon as labor hits. I don't know.. why would an 8 mth pregnant woman be in active duty in the service anyway?
If she didn't like being where she was, couldn't she request a discharge due to her pregnancy or a transfer to another base?

IF there hadn't been like 6 pregnant women already killed in the state of NC whose murders are unsolved, I might not have paid that much attention to this case. But the darn statistics of maternal/ fetal homicide in NC alone are staggering!!!

[SeekingJana]

Thanks for telling me. I've never known much about the military for women.
I do think that she's very close to her due date and if she doesn't show up at a hospital within the expected time frame, then it's pretty clear that something bad has happened to her.

[jennyjwv]

First thing is they need to find the father of the child......maybe she wanted it and he didn't ???? also, was he in the military? or could it have been an affair? she was very pretty from the picture on fox.....

[Jadenn]

Hi everyone,

I live in Jacksonville, which is where Maria is missing from. There was a story on the local news this morning, but this is the first I've heard about it so far and I watch the news everyday. I'm a little surprised that it hasn't been covered locally until now; especially since she's been missing for 3 weeks.

One interesting bit of information in the local news is that they found her cell phone by the main gate at Camp Lejeune and that she was a "a witness to an incident on base and was supposed to testify in the matter". (jdnews.com)

She lived in a boarding house and the SD has already searched it.

Just thought I would check in as the local on this one. Hope everyone is having a good day!

[Taximom]

Thanks, Jadenn, for the local info. I wonder what she witnessed? I hope someone didn't kill her to keep her from testifying. :(

[Taximom]

The other thing that bothers me is that she was pregnant, and when a pregnant woman is killed I automatically think "father of the baby". Unless what she witnessed was so horrible, I'd like to think (rose colored glasses here) that another human couldn't really kill a pregnant woman over crime testimony. I'm sure it's been done though.

[Jadenn]

They found her car abandoned at the local bus station Monday night.

More at link (http://www.jdnews.com/news/department_54220___article.html/sheriff_dec.html)

[diamondgirl]

I grew up near Camp Lejeune (in Swansboro). I hope they find her OK and alive. She's very beautiful. Maybe she was threatened and jumped on a bus.

[Taximom]

Maybe she just ran off because she was afraid.

I hope she's ok too!

[Pharlap]

Cute girl, hope she's found alive a well....

:twocents:

[SeriouslySearching]

A troubling story. I hope she is found safe and sound, too.

Anytime you have a witness go missing before giving testimony...it is serious. Couple that with her being pregnant and it becomes dire. I hope the military is pulling out all the stops to find her!

[Ticamom]

I was born in Camp Lejeune and spent most of my childhood in Jacksonville before we moved to Costa Rica. I can remember how woodsy it was, and I was just thinking how easy it would be to conceal a body in those woods. I am praying that this isn't the case, that she will be found alive and well. It's just that learning that she is pregnant , the identity of the father is unknown ,and that she was going to testify as a witness of a crime committed on base has given me a very uneasy feeling.:(


Jadenn, thanks so much for giving us the local information.

Nice to see someone from J'Ville here !

[reportertype]

On Greta now

[Ticamom]

On Greta now



Thanks for the head's up, Reportertype !

[KR2tonenow]

[quote=SeekingJana;1897263]I HOPE she is too. but..
Unless she wants to give birth at home, chances are, she's going public, as in taking a ride to the hospital, as soon as labor hits. I don't know.. why would an 8 mth pregnant woman be in active duty in the service anyway?
If she didn't like being where she was, couldn't she request a discharge due to her pregnancy or a transfer to another base?

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Investigators are calling her disappearance suspicious, saying her mother reported that Lauterbach was going to testify about an incident she witnessed on base.
"There are several findings and pieces of evidence that have been discovered that cause law enforcement to be concerned with the circumstances surrounding Maria's disappearance."

Greta and NG reported on this tonight. The Marines should be aware of something, they pitched Maria's cell phone by the gates of the base where she worked.

[MeoW333]

I wonder what the seriousness of what she witnessed was and who she witnessed.. never a good thing to go missing before having to testify; especially while pregnant.

[nnglas]

I am local also. I work on the Camp Lejeune Base. I was curious because this is the first I have heard about this. It certainly has been kept quiet. I saw her car on the news and it looked like it had spray paint all over it, anybody know if that happened before or after she disappeared? There is not much vandalism around these parts.

[Jadenn]

I read in the local news this morning that investigators are reporting suspicious bank activity on Christmas Eve, and no activity since then. Below is a link to the article:

Link (http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54236___article.html/sheriff_department.html)

[Taximom]

This sure is a weird case. I think it's totally wrong that supposedly the police can't do anything about her being missing until the Marines say she's AWOL. In this day and age, that's got to change.

Anyway, here's some tidbits from NG's show last night.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/09/ng.01.html
GRACE: She`s not going to be deployed. What are you talking about, deployed?

KAY: No, not -- what I`m saying is that when the sheriff`s department began their investigation on the 19th...

GRACE: OK.

KAY: ... they interviewed the people that knew her. They interviewed people at the base. They conducted an investigation to figure out where she was at. I believe they think at the time that she was where she wanted to be.

GRACE: Oh, voluntarily missing.

KAY: Right. Right.

GRACE: Because that is -- that`s a gap in the timeline that`s very disturbing to me.

KAY: Right.
and
GRACE: That`s my next question. Who`s the baby`s daddy? Mandi Sheridan, do we know?

SHERIDAN: I asked her mother that exact question, Nancy, and she told me that her daughter was a loner, somewhat of a loner, and that the family was not aware of any boyfriends. And then she said she could not comment beyond that.

GRACE: OK. She`s a loner, and the family didn`t know who the boyfriend was? Is that what I`m hearing?

SHERIDAN: She just told me the family was not aware of any boyfriends. And then she said she was not able to comment any further.

GRACE: OK. Lindell Kay.

KAY: OK.

GRACE: The father hasn`t come forward? The father`s not out there beating the bushes, trying to find his unborn child? I smell a rat.

KAY: Well, that`s -- yes, that`s more than likely maybe the case. But I think the important thing to point out is the car was found Monday, but it was not at the bus station all this time. They checked the bus station over the weekend, it was not there. So either Maria or someone else put her car at the bus station on Monday.

GRACE: I assume the car has been impounded and it`s being processed for prints, right, Lindell?

KAY: The FBI was -- spent two or three hours going over it today.

(MUCH more at the link)

[Ticamom]

I read in the local news this morning that investigators are reporting suspicious bank activity on Christmas Eve, and no activity since then. Below is a link to the article:

Link (http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54236___article.html/sheriff_department.html)

Thanks for the link Jadenn. I am wondering if there is surveillance video showing who exactly took out the money at her bank. If it shows Maria by herself or if it shows a stranger. I honestly don´t think she would have gone AWOL knowing that her mother was coming to spend Christmas with her . I don't think she would put her family through this anguish and worry without contacting them in some way.

The fact that she had witnessed something on base of a criminal nature and that she was expected to testify about it throws up red flags for me. Also, who is the father of the child ? Where is he ???? Could she have been raped ? Perhaps that is why she wouldn't divulge the identity of the baby's father ? What do you all think ?

[Spazkat9696]

Unlike Nancy Grace I don't find it odd that the dad is not out looking for his child. He could be deployed and unaware of the situation, or he may not know he is going to be a dad. Given the fact the military is involved and Lejeune is a tiny area I find it more than plausible the dad is also a Marine. As much as I hate to say it this baby could be the product of a rape. That could be what she was going to testify about, and that would explain why they haven't released any details. They want to protect her privacy with respect to , pure speculation on my part, her rape, but get her picture out to locate her. That could also be why her family is saying she was a loner, and they didn't know of any boyfriends. That doesn't mean they don't know who the father is, just that she didn't have a boyfriend. I really hope she is OK, and she is hiding out because she was scared to testify.

[Spazkat9696]

I fear my initial thoughts about what she witnessed were correct. He was attacked by a superior officer and that's what she was due to testify about, and her mom says is unlike her not to call.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321692,00.html

[SuziQ]

This case is going to get ugly. Is this also the reason for the delay in the investigation? From the below link:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/index.html

The sheriff told CNN affiliate WECT that other people in the military could be involved with the Marine's disappearance and that they may have tampered with her car and cell phone.
Brown told WRAL that investigators want to talk to a male roommate of Lauterbach's who may be on deployment and could be considered a person of interest in the case.
"Until you can interview him and eliminate, you still consider them as key people of concern," the sheriff said.

[Spazkat9696]

press conference is on headline news now

[happy2bn10ec]

Ticamom, you may have been right - bet that's why there has been no father mentioned.


http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news/local_news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-01-10-0042.html

[Spazkat9696]

How is her rape not related to this case?

[Taximom]

I heard a reporter today on FOX around 2:30 describe her as "emotionally needy". Are there emotionally needed Marines in this world? Yikes.

I would like to know if she's really pregnant. If she's been getting well-baby checkups, then that can prove that. I'm not familiar enough with the Marines to know if she would have been required to show up for monthly prenatal checkups or not.

I'm also just wondering if she just went AWOL to be with the baby's dad, or to be by herself.

This whole case has me scratching my head, especially with the mother not really seeking much publicity either.

[nanandjim]

I have heard that raping women officers is very common on base. I wonder if the soldier who raped her is married and the father of her child. He could have murdered her before the baby was born. Also, could this be the case in which she was due to testify? I hope that they are able to get to the bottom of this disappearance.

[nanandjim]

I heard a reporter today on FOX around 2:30 describe her as "emotionally needy". Are there emotionally needed Marines in this world? Yikes.

I would like to know if she's really pregnant. If she's been getting well-baby checkups, then that can prove that. I'm not familiar enough with the Marines to know if she would have been required to show up for monthly prenatal checkups or not.

I'm also just wondering if she just went AWOL to be with the baby's dad, or to be by herself.

This whole case has me scratching my head, especially with the mother not really seeking much publicity either.
The girl probably is emotionally needy because she is scared for her well being and apparently rightly so. I think that her mother may be keeping quiet because the police are on to the suspect and they have told her to keep quiet. Perhaps, her pregnancy resulted from a rape.

I was very naive when I was this girl's age. I almost joined the Army, myself. The Army recruiter made it sound really good. I was working as a civilian on base at the time. The senior enlisted man in the office talked me out of joining. He really made it clear that I shouldn't do it. I think that he also talked about assaults on women in the military. I can't remember if that's where I first heard it. I thank him every day for steering me away from signing up!

[rccook555]

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[TGIRecovered]

The problem with the run-away theory is that her senior officers failed to report her AWOL or missing. Wasn't it her mom who finally reported her missing?She is a Marine, for goodness sake! You can't just decide not to show for work and expect it to go un-noticed!Something stinks, and her commanding officers need to be answering some hard questions.Susan

[Spazkat9696]

The problem with the run-away theory is that her senior officers failed to report her AWOL or missing. Wasn't it her mom who finally reported her missing?She is a Marine, for goodness sake! You can't just decide not to show for work and expect it to go un-noticed!Something stinks, and her commanding officers need to be answering some hard questions.Susan

She could have been on leave over the holidays, they get 30 days a year. If she was on leave her commanding officer would not have been suspicious about her not being there. Or she may have been on some sort of medical leave related to her pregnancy as well, all you need is a doctors leave chit for that. Another option is that she was not required to report to work because she was a witness in the assault case, I feel she was a rape victim. They might have told her not to report for duty for safety reasons or to avoid contact between the victim and the aggressor. Taximom, I don't think she is faking the pregnancy because she would have needed doctors notes to get out of daily PT. As soon as she started to show her commanding officer would have been questioning her about it.

[ckwood32]

article on fox news states her step mom said she is bipolar and a compulsive liar.

[SuziQ]

Ok, and the Sheriff is buying this crap from the very people he stated earlier that they had probably tampered with evidence and had something to do with her disappearance? Do we have an idiot smiley to insert here?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/index.html

[KR2tonenow]

article on fox news states her step mom said she is bipolar and a compulsive liar.

Is it just me, but why is it that lately alot of "missing persons" cases seem to be Bi-polar. She is in the Marines! Emotionally needy is a sexist term.

More than likely, she was raped on base, then became pregnant. Hopefully this roomate will enlighten us.

NG will be discussing more tonight!:clap:

[SeriouslySearching]

This is a very strange case. Something is wrong with this picture.

[lymom3]

How did she get into the Marines if she is Bi Polar? I would guess she would have to have been unmedicated for it prior to enlisting, wouldn't she?

[Taximom]

I think the term "emotionally needy" came from the mom according to the reporter. I was going from room to room when I heard that, so I could be wrong, but I don't think a reporter would just apply that term to a stranger.

Now the stepmom says she's a compulsive liar? Do we have 2 moms in the picture now?

[JinxieJada]

Ok if I'm understanding correctly she was the victim of Sexual Assault..


Snip


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/index.html?eref=ib_topstories


Documents attached to a search warrant in the case cite the Marine's mother as saying Lauterbach had been the victim of a sexual assault by a superior officer.


Hell Yea, you betcha you're emotionally needy, 1st time pregnancy and that Sh** to boot?

snip -
Makes me wonder even more if the Officer accused of the SA isn't the child's biological father.

Lauterbach may have been due to give birth on January 8, Brown said, and he said if possible she should come forth to get the help and support of family, friends and medical professionals.
"You can't run from those things in life," Brown said in comments directed toward the missing Marine.

Police documents say that shortly before Lauterbach disappeared, her mother had talked to the Marine about giving up the baby once it was born.



Ok, first I hate adoption language like that - you give up a puppy, a toy, smoking, not a baby! ahem, off the soapbox - Are they trying to make it look like she disappeared on her own accord?

Why hasn't she been reported as awol or whaever it is called? I mean, after all aren't you considered a runaway basically if you dn't report where you're supposed to be? (I don't much at all about military sorry!)

[Mygirlsadie]

Yeah this thing just got stink all over it! If she was on leave then her leave would of had to of been authorized and there would be a paper trail so I highly doubt she is on leave. I hate to think what might of happened to her and for her step-mom to say compulsive liar to me sounded kinda catty..I just didn't like it. I will keep her & her unborn baby in my prayers for sure!

[Spazkat9696]

article on fox news states her step mom said she is bipolar and a compulsive liar.

Why would you say your missing loved one is a liar?

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe she is the proverbial Cinderella stepmom?! I would have to assume their relationship is not a close one and the stepmom feels no sense of "family loyalty" to her which also reflects on the father for not standing up for his daughter against statements like that, imo.

[nnglas]

Why hasn't she been reported as awol or whaever it is called? I mean, after all aren't you considered a runaway basically if you dn't report where you're supposed to be? (I don't much at all about military sorry!)[/quote]


Technically she would be listed as UA (unauthorized absence) until she was gone for 30 days. Then she would be be listed as AWOL or a deserter.

This is a very strange case, especially since I work on Camp Lejeune and yesterday was the first day I heard of it.

However, I know from experience that if she was just UA they wouldn't go looking for her, but the circumstances surrounding her disappearance make it hard for me to imagine that no one sounded an alarm bell before now. In light of the pregnancy, and the testimony, and the cell phone and the car, you would think that someone would get very worried about her well being.

I have to agree that something stinks about this case, unless they have more of a reason to believe she disappeared on her own accord. That is the only way them not looking for her makes sense.

I saw where they said that she may be receiving financial assisstance thru western union, but that would mean that someone is sending it to her.

There has got to be alot more to this story.

[T-Rex]

Re: the stepmom--nice!
Maybe the girl has accused someone of something before, and the stepmom thought she was lying?
Anyway, sounds like they think she took off, and her roommate is helping by channelling money to her.

[lilpony]

This case has me very interested. Can't wait to hear more information. I pray she isn't dead, but I do fear the worst.
I was thinking that they were on holiday routine. Meaning they get a few weeks off during the holidays. The ONE HUGE problem with that is they still have to report for duty on the forth day or so during the holiday routine. I am talking about how the Coast Guard does it. Not sure if this is even done in the Marines, but it may! Maybe someone knows how the Marines do it during holidays. But I am sure they do something like this as well!

[KR2tonenow]

snip>

Military has not listed any AWOL at this time! They put off that she has been missing for three weeks...usually 7-10 days until they are listed as AWOL..they would go looking for you, but they have not done any of that
(the military).

Very suspicious!!

[Ticamom]

Nancy Grace just stated that the USMC hasn't declared her UA nor AWOL yet ! Something is stinking to high heaven. Sounds like a cover up ?


What gives with the emotionally needy carp and the compulsive lying carp ? Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

They just mentioned that there was a man on the ATM camera trying to cover the camera with a rag while he got money from her account. I wonder if he was her roommate or who could he possibly be ?

[KR2tonenow]

Nancy Grace just stated that the USMC hasn't declared her UA nor AWOL yet ! Something is stinking to high heaven. Sounds like a cover up ?


What gives with the emotionally needy carp and the compulsive lying carp ? Sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

They just mentioned that there was a man on the ATM camera trying to cover the camera with a rag while he got money from her account. I wonder if he was her roommate or who could he possibly be ?

Right, the family is trying to give us the impression she is in hiding...If a person skips out of the military voluntarily, wouldn't that person be jailed???

Why aren't they mentioning that?

[txsvicki]

I heard on Nancy Grace that allegations were made by her at another base and then dropped charges. Not that it has anything to do with the disappearance, but I'm thinking that the mom and step mom may know what they are talking about and so does the military. They're probably doing her a big favor by not declaring AWOL until more info is known or at least about the possible bipolar.

[MysteryAddict]

I'm confused --- Is the "Mother who talked to Maria the day before she disappeared and advised her to give away the baby the same woman as the "Stepmother" who said she was Bi-polar and a compulsive liar?

Are we talking about two different women here or is this all about her Mother?

How strange is this for the Mother of a girl who was raped to speak of her?

This whole story is really strange.

[STEADFAST]

I heard on Nancy Grace that allegations were made by her at another base and then dropped charges. Not that it has anything to do with the disappearance, but I'm thinking that the mom and step mom may know what they are talking about and so does the military. They're probably doing her a big favor by not declaring AWOL until more info is known or at least about the possible bipolar.

They don't declare you AWOL (really it's called UA) until you've used up all your leave on the books.

[Bobbisangel]

It sounds like there is no love lost between the stepmother and this girl. Regardless, the stepmother should keep her comments to herself during this time. The girl is missing and she is over due to deliver a baby. There should be some concern there instead of making nasty comments.

Is it the superior officer that is deployed? If so, and he is the rapist she wouldn't have to be concerned about him right now. It sounds like he told her that he would ruin her career but didn't threaten bodily harm.

I'm wondering if her mother's comment about giving the baby up could have caused her to take off? Her mother was coming to visit over the holidays and maybe she just couldn't take listening to her mom about giving the baby up. If shw had already decided to keep the baby then she wouldn't be open to a lecture about giving it up.

I sure hope that nothing has happened to this girl and her baby. I hope she did decide to take off and have her baby and come back later. I wonder if any baby clothes are gone or any of her clothes. It could be her roommate that is taking money out of her account and wiring it to her. I wonder why she wouldn't have done that before she left though unless she just left without thinking things through.

[Spazkat9696]

Bobbisangel, as a Lace Corporal she is an E-3 and as a Corporal he is an E-4, both pretty low on the food chain. I mean technically he out ranks her but when I hear Superior I think Gunnery Sargent or higher. Plus I don't think they would be allowed to live together if she was charging him with rape.

[SewingDeb]

Tons of information in this article, please read it all:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/index.html

[Spazkat9696]

Sounds like her pregnancy was high risk. I hope she didn't run off fall ill and was unable to get the needed medical attention. I'm hearing a lot of conflicting stories about this whole thing.

[SuziQ]

The way the military has handled this case is very suspicious. What finally prompted the Sheriff to get involved and this case to go public? Because it sure sounds like to me people on base was hoping that no one would notice she was gone and then think she ran off. In fact the sheriff stated fellow officers may have taken those types of steps. The way he flip flopped on this is astonishing.

[txsvicki]

I wonder why the roommate called the mother to tell her that Maria had left the house on the day she went missing. Money was taken out of her account that day, but not again until 10 days later on Christmas Eve.

[SeriouslySearching]

I am further confused by that article, Deb! Wow! I have no clue what to think now.

The thing that stands out to me is that a man was trying to cover the cam with a rag to obtain money from her account. I would definitely say it was suspicious. Why wouldn't they take this as a red flag? Why couldn't he also be obtaining money in her name via Western Union?

[lilpony]

It is very confusing at this point. Gosh could she be alive, I don't know.

[Pharlap]

Some questions that maybe would clear this case up.
Who wired the western union money, where was it sent. However wouldn't you think LE would have that info already? Shouldn't of taken more then 5-10 minutes to find that out. JMO
And who withdraw from the atm.

[SeekingJana]

I am so bewildered by the statements in the CNN article. It quotes her mother, apparently not a step-mother unless the journalist at CNN was too lazy to differentiate, as saying that Maria is a " compulsive liar".

Later in the article, this same idiot family says " We hope she's alive". Not- " We think she's alive" or " We know she's safe and at an undisclosed location". NOO. Just " We hope she's alive".
Where is the compassion in this world? This is a young, pregnant woman who may or may not have emotional problems but who is at high risk for being in danger, no matter what the personality traits or perceived personality traits are.

I am flabbergasted. No one seems very worried at all about this young mother to be except us.
I don't care what she may have said or done, I think she's in jeopardy and even if no one else is being supportive, we as a community can be.

Please, can we pray for the lives and safety of Maria and her baby?
The sense of callousness by LE, the military, and her family just breaks my heart in two.

Maria

[Taximom]

This morning on Fox news, I heard "adoptive mother" which may explain something, but I'm not sure what!

[Taximom]

Onslow County's sheriff plans to announce "a
major update" at noon today about the pregnant Marine
who disappeared. per WRAL.com

[CarpeDiem]

I am so bewildered by the statements in the CNN article. It quotes her mother, apparently not a step-mother unless the journalist at CNN was too lazy to differentiate, as saying that Maria is a " compulsive liar".

Later in the article, this same idiot family says " We hope she's alive". Not- " We think she's alive" or " We know she's safe and at an undisclosed location". NOO. Just " We hope she's alive".
Where is the compassion in this world? This is a young, pregnant woman who may or may not have emotional problems but who is at high risk for being in danger, no matter what the personality traits or perceived personality traits are.

I am flabbergasted. No one seems very worried at all about this young mother to be except us.
I don't care what she may have said or done, I think she's in jeopardy and even if no one else is being supportive, we as a community can be.

Please, can we pray for the lives and safety of Maria and her baby?
The sense of callousness by LE, the military, and her family just breaks my heart in two.

Maria

Me too, and she's so young yet. If her family is like it appears, no wonder her situation was so desperate. I wouldn't be surprised if she thought they would take her baby. I feel greatly for Maria and will support her with you.

[calidreamin]

Onslow County's sheriff plans to announce "a
major update" at noon today about the pregnant Marine
who disappeared. per WRAL.com

Hi Taxi:blowkiss: thanks for the update! This whole thing is really confusing and strange.

[Pharlap]

Hi Taxi:blowkiss: thanks for the update! This whole thing is really confusing and strange.


Well if they found her and alive, wouldn't you think it be announced at once?

[Elphaba]

On GMA, this morning, they reported it as simply her mother saying she, the missing daughter, is a compulsive liar.

[believe09]

"Mary" is the step mother and the one who has been calling Maria a compulsive liar. It is likely that there is no distinguishing between step and biological children in the family...My oldest nephew is my brother's son in all ways except biological for example. It never crosses anyone's mind except at times like these...

[Taximom]

I am recalling my 20's right now, and I feel sorry for Maria if she just ran off. If she lied about the assault then she probably didn't realize what a snowball she created, especially if she's lied before and gotten away with it.

Also, she's pregnant and apparently has some mental issues. I just hope she comes home safe, can deliver a healthy baby and can get the help she needs.

Someone said it before on another thread that you can't just run away anymore in this world and expect to get away with it!

[Taximom]

Police will hold a news conference at noon today. I'm pretty sure that's eastern time, but not totally sure!

[nanandjim]

Police will hold a news conference at noon today. I'm pretty sure that's eastern time, but not totally sure!
I hope and pray this young girl is okay, but I fear that she isn't. At the very least, she has/had an accomplice if a male was trying to use her ATM card. If, what the mother/stepmother says is true, then the girl needs help. If the girl has lied in the past, it doesn't mean that she is lying about the assault. This type of assault/rape happens way too often. It is sad that this mother/stepmother can't keep her mouth shut. Why is she telling anyone other than police things that may be helpful. I think that it is a reflection on her character, not Maria's.

ETA: After reading the CNN article, it sounds like she is alive. If there are Western Union transmissions of money and withdrawals from her account, someone is helping her. The article says that her due date isn't until 2/14. This kid, at the very least, sounds confused and in dire need of help. It is hard enough to raise a child by yourself when you have family support. It is nearly impossible to do being in the military and with practically no help at all.

[Pharlap]

I hope and pray this young girl is okay, but I fear that she isn't. At the very least, she has/had an accomplice if a male was trying to use her ATM card. If, what the mother/stepmother says is true, then the girl needs help. If the girl has lied in the past, it doesn't mean that she is lying about the assault. This type of assault/rape happens way too often. It is sad that this mother/stepmother can't keep her mouth shut. Why is she telling anyone other than police things that may be helpful. I think that it is a reflection on her character, not Maria's.

We are taking other ppl's word she has lied in the past, what if she didn't.
Just a thought.
Have to wait til 12...:silenced:

[Taximom]

Another reporter said that they will be reporting at noon that if LE can prove something they learned overnight, this will probably have a favorable outcome.

All week long there haven't been any real updates on any cases I was following. Mostly political coverage. Today I'm working at the pc and there's been nothing but bits and pieces here and there about 3 or 4 cases I've been following! lol

I know, I know, turn off the t.v....

[SuziQ]

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/873373.html

The sheriff investigating the disappearance of a 20-year-old pregnant Marine said he expected a major break in the case Friday afternoon, after detectives finish interviewing the woman's roommate.
"He's going to answer some questions that I think will shed a lot of light on this case," Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said.
***
Still, the court papers said the anticipated birth of the baby "might provide evidentiary credence to charges she lodged with military authorities that she was sexually assaulted by a senior military person."
***
Her stepmother said the officer threatened the missing woman's career, and search warrants filed this week state the woman was facing a possible discharge from the Marine Corps. No reason was provided

[SuziQ]

Another reporter said that they will be reporting at noon that if LE can prove something they learned overnight, this will probably have a favorable outcome..

Hopefully they did find her and she just doesn't want to go back to the base.

[calidreamin]

Hopefully they did find her and she just doesn't want to go back to the base.

That is what I hope too and am praying she and the baby are o.k.

[Jadenn]

Hi everyone,

I wanted to post a link to the news conference. It starts at 12pm, EST

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13703757.html

[nanandjim]

We are taking other ppl's word she has lied in the past, what if she didn't.
Just a thought.
Have to wait til 12...:silenced:
I totally agree. Even if she retracted statements about being raped, it doesn't mean that she wasn't. I was married to a military guy for years. There is a big veil of secrecy. Everything revolves around protecting the military member's career. If she thought that her career/livelihood would be adversely affected or that she would be shunned or in danger, she could very well have changed her story.

[lizzybeth]

I apologize if this has been discussed before; I've been really busy and not able to keep up with all the posts.

Did anyone else notice in the video of when they found her car it looked like it had been spray painted? I wonder if someone (maybe fellow Marines) had been harrassing her or something.

[PrayersForMaura]

I can't believe her mom would tell the media that she has lied in the past and is bi-polar. That could've really hurt her daughter's case.

[SuziQ]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/missing.marine/index.html

(snip)
A pregnant Marine purchased a bus ticket the day she went missing from Camp Lejeune but never used it, the Onslow County sheriff said Friday.

Sheriff Ed Brown said the ticket was from Jacksonville, North Carolina, to El Paso, Texas.
Roshaun Hames told CNN affiliate WNCT-TV on Friday that he sold the ticket to Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach around 5 p.m. on December 14.
Hames said he thought Lauterbach was alone when she bought the ticket and that she drove off after asking if she could leave her car at the station, WNCT reported.
The ticket was good for six months, but Lauterbach was scheduled to use it December 15, Hames told WNCT, the day Lauterbach's car was left near the station. Bus records show the ticket was never used, Hames said.
The sheriff also said Lauterbach's ATM card was used at the Jacksonville Wal-Mart on December 24, according to CNN affiliate WITN-TV.

[SuziQ]

I can't believe her mom would tell the media that she has lied in the past and is bi-polar. That could've really hurt her daughter's case.

It could be that the step-monster has lied in the past and is bi-polar.

[Pharlap]

I apologize if this has been discussed before; I've been really busy and not able to keep up with all the posts.

Did anyone else notice in the video of when they found her car it looked like it had been spray painted? I wonder if someone (maybe fellow Marines) had been harrassing her or something.


I believe it's one of those multicolor metallic paints.
Ford has them on the mustangs....

[SeekingJana]

What really bothers me is OK, she may have left on her own for reasons of her own but she is MISSING. She is about to give birth. She is MISSING.

She is a very easy target for violence or other harm, even if she took off and went somewhere. We don't need vague excuses that don't make any sense from her family or the military, she needs our prayers and positive thoughts no matter where she is. Things can't be good for her, not with what we know at this time. She obviously has a problem with her family, and if they were my family, I'd have a problem with them too.

She needs a mother right now like she's never needed one before in her life!!
Maria

[Ticamom]

Absolutely ! Well said Maria ! :clap: :clap: :clap:


What really bothers me is OK, she may have left on her own for reasons of her own but she is MISSING. She is about to give birth. She is MISSING.

She is a very easy target for violence or other harm, even if she took off and went somewhere. We don't need vague excuses that don't make any sense from her family or the military, she needs our prayers and positive thoughts no matter where she is. Things can't be good for her, not with what we know at this time. She obviously has a problem with her family, and if they were my family, I'd have a problem with them too.

She needs a mother right now like she's never needed one before in her life!!
Maria

[SuziQ]

Presser is about to start. Reminder that live feed is here:

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13531467.html

[Taximom]

Thanks, SuziQ. I thought Fox would run it, but it's going on now at the site you linked.

[Pharlap]

Tks too......
There sure taking there time......not started yet....:banghead:

[Taximom]

I'm listening to it now. So far I haven't heard anything we haven't heard already...

[Pharlap]

I'm listening to it now. So far I haven't heard anything we haven't heard already...

Huh, I'm watching and nothing has been said yet.
I'm I watching the wrong site and/or station?

Or just said it's going to be a while....

[Taximom]

I was just listening to it, but not watching. I just looked and saw an empty podium. Plus a weather report and now a news guy is speaking over what I thought was the news conference! Maybe this is the old new conference!!! :eek:

[SuziQ]

Ahhhhh, it's pending. News in the meantime.

[Taximom]

Oh, apparently I was listening to the original conference that opens on that home page. No wonder it sounded familiar. :doh: Sorry!

Fox is still saying they'll show it live too, just FYI.

[Pharlap]

Ok now it's starting I think....:confused:

[Taximom]

Here we go now.

[Taximom]

Is someone here going to take notes for those that can't view it?

[SuziQ]

She's dead. Rapist is accused

[Taximom]

She is dead and has been buried in Oslow county. The suspect is the marine that assaulted her!!!! :( :(

[Pharlap]

OMG, DEAD???????????????????
Murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This SUCKS...........

Wonder if this was still a setup to cover up her pregnancy of who rapped her....

The suspect is the guy in the rape case....who is in the marines....
The suspect has 3 lawyers...omg

[concernedperson]

She's dead. Rapist is accused

Oh, no.

[SuziQ]

She was buried. Homicide. dang 60 second rule.

[Taximom]

Oh my gosh. How horrible.

What was all the "favorable" crap about??

Dang 60 sec rule.

The person they brought back from CA is not a suspect, had some info, but did not witness anything.

[SuziQ]

Now I really know her step-monster is the one who is a liar and bi-polar.

[SuziQ]

And reporter slamming LE for how long it took since she's been missing since mid december. Conversation getting heated.

[nanandjim]

Now I really know her step-monster is the one who is a liar and bi-polar.
Yeah, I hope that she feels really good. :( I just turned on the television and was shocked to read that this soldier is DEAD and BURIED. Who is it that murdered her?

[Taximom]

I don't know if I spelled that county right. "Oslow" Someone correct that if I'm wrong.

Oh, I'm so sorry to hear this. I wonder what her mom/stepmom/whatever thinks now.

Couldn't talk to suspect because he's got an attorney. Didn't show up at appointments he made to talk with LE. Marines provided suspect to LE, but suspect wouldn't talk.

Learned of her death this morning. She's been deceased for some time. He's got THREE attorneys, and he's out of town. They are looking for him now.

[lymom3]

I guess that does answer the question about who was lying and who was telling the truth...

[SuziQ]

Suspect supposedly lawyered up from the beginning and wouldn't talk. three attorneys. Suspect is out of state.

[SuziQ]

There still was a delay by NCIS in bringing Local LE, IMO. And NCIS botched the investigation from the beginning of the rape case.

Suspect is the accused rapist.

[Taximom]

There's a team looking for her now in a shallow grave off of some road. The key witness gave them the burial information. (That doesn't make sense!) Killed somewhere between 14th and 20th. Murdered off base in Oslow county.

[nanandjim]

Who is the witness that helped police? Was it her roommate? Who is the person who has been withdrawing money from her account? I wonder if this poor girl purchased a bus ticket because she knew her life was in danger.

What a pathetic excuse of a mother/stepmother/adopted mother, whoever she is.

[Taximom]

A "BOL" has been put out for the suspect. Last seen 8 hrs ago. (DOL?)

[SuziQ]

Suspect last seen 8 hours ago, avoided question about whether there is a nationwide manhunt.

[Pharlap]

OMG, DEAD???????????????????
Murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This SUCKS...........

Wonder if this was still a setup to cover up her pregnancy of who rapped her....

The suspect is the guy in the rape case....who is in the marines....
The suspect has 3 lawyers...omg


They(LE) have been watching this guy..

[cwiz24]

A "BOL" has been put out for the suspect. Last seen 8 hrs ago. (DOL?)

BOL= be on the lookout

[Taximom]

Believe he left town this at 4 a.m.

[SuziQ]

The roomate, Sgt Durham, is not involved as far as they know. He really had no knowledge that led to latest events.

[TGIRecovered]

Who is this man doing the talking? A sheriff?He is hard to understand...sounds flustered and really has very little information...mostly "I don't know"..."can't say"...sounds overwhelmed to me.

[nanandjim]

Believe he left town this at 4 a.m.
What is the name of the suspect?? Loren??? Is he the E-4 who is accused of raping her?

[SuziQ]

NCIS was waiting for the birth of the baby to do DNA tests so they could further charges in the rape case. IMO, that's motive.

[Pharlap]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/missing.marine/index.html

Has what was just said...

[cricket]

Is the supsect the officer that raped her?

[SuziQ]

Is the supsect the officer that raped her?

Yes it is.

[concernedperson]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/missing.marine/index.html

Has what was just said...

Article mentions money transfers into her account and that she may have been receiving financial support. Doesn't say by whom though. The man covered the ATM machine with a rag when he withdrew money. I wonder if he was giving her money and then wanted it back?

[JDB]

Is the supsect the officer that raped her?

Yes he is the suspect

[SuziQ]

Supposedly Marie had developed friendly contact with the accused rapist after she filed charges.

I guess murder is now referred to as "friendly contact".

[Pharlap]

The marines covered this up......JMO.....

[nanandjim]

Is the supsect the officer that raped her?
I don't think that it was an "officer" that raped her. I think that it was an "enlisted" person. His name apparently is Corporal Loren. He and victim apparently had some kind of friendly relationship after the charge. IMO, it was probably him schmoozing up to her in an effort to get her not to testify against him. He probably realized that she was going to "tell the truth" at the hearing. So, he murdered her. Just speculation.

[Taximom]

Thanks, cwiz.

I can't keep up with this guy! I thought he said the suspect bought the ticket, then he said SHE bought the ticket. She drove the car to the bus station.

He's not considered a flight-risk according to the NCIS guy.

His statement: All have been extremely cooperative in this investigation. A lot of factors can't divulge. Still active investigation, including the rape. Information rec'd past 24 hours indicates they carried on a type of friendly relationship after the assault. ???? Oslow County will have primary leadership on the case. Cpl. Lauren not a superior officer, but one step above her in the enlisted ranks.

[SuziQ]

Article mentions money transfers into her account and that she may have been receiving financial support. Doesn't say by whom though. The man covered the ATM machine with a rag when he withdrew money. I wonder if he was giving her money and then wanted it back?

She's been dead from the get go. The suspect obviously has been trying to make it look like she ran off. And unfortunately LE bought that crap.

[Pharlap]

I don't think that it was an "officer" that raped her. I think that it was an "enlisted" person. His name apparently is Corporal Loren. He and victim apparently had some kind of friendly relationship after the charge. IMO, it was probably him schmoozing up to her in an effort to get her not to testify against him. He probably realized that she was going to "tell the truth" at the hearing. So, he murdered her. Just speculation.


The suspect in the case is a senior officer whom Lauterbach had accused of assault, Sheriff Ed Brown said at a news conference Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/missing.marine/index.html

[nanandjim]

The marines covered this up......JMO.....
I don't think that they did. The sheriff even thought that she would be found alive until today, if I am understanding what he is saying.

[misterallgood]

They keep referring to a "Loren" in the presser as the POI -- a male, so I used the male spelling of the name. I haven't caught the last name yet. Anyone?

Steve/Mr. A

[TGIRecovered]

Suspect was considered "not a flight risk"!So, what...he was being investigated as a rapist, victim goes missing, suspect refuses to talk and lawyers up, and LE decides he's such a trustworthy fellow that they don't need to keep an eye on him 'cause he's not a flight risk?Are we in Mayberry?

[Taximom]

Their relationship seems to have gotten together since the 14th.

That's a quote. WTH!

Why so certain she's dead if they haven't found her body? (I didn't understand his answer to that.)

Probably killed after talking with her mom, before the 20th.

[cricket]

How can they be sure she is dead, if they don't have the suspect in custody? Surely, if he told them he had killed her, they would have arrested him on the spot.

I'm confused.

[nanandjim]

The suspect in the case is a senior officer whom Lauterbach had accused of assault, Sheriff Ed Brown said at a news conference Friday.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/missing.marine/index.html
They just now reiterated it was an E-4 that is accused of raping her. E-4 is an enlisted person who is one rank above her rank. She is/was an enlisted LCPL. He apparently was a Corporal.

[Ticamom]

I am so saddened by this news, although it was not surprising. Poor thing.


I am confused by who gave LE details of the whereabouts of her grave. Camp Lejeune is full of woods and backroads, she could be anywhere ! Who is it that knows where she is buried ? This person sat on this information since the 14th !

Her POS stepmother must feel really proud of herself just about now, huh ?

Poor Maria, I imagine she bought herself a bus ticket because she feared for her life. I can't even begin to imagine what her final hours must have been like.....

[Taximom]

Mayberry is the FBI compared to this joke of a news conference.

[nanandjim]

They keep referring to a "Loren" in the presser as the POI -- a male, so I used the male spelling of the name. I haven't caught the last name yet. Anyone?

Steve/Mr. A
They said Corporal Loren. So, I'm assuming Loren is his last name.

[Pharlap]

This news report IS very confusing.....

[SuziQ]

I don't think that they did. The sheriff even thought that she would be found alive until today, if I am understanding what he is saying.

That's because LE listened to the very person, (and his co-horts) that she had accused of raping her.

[TGIRecovered]

Supposedly Marie had developed friendly contact with the accused rapist after she filed charges.

I guess murder is now referred to as "friendly contact".

Gee, the accused rapist starts kissing up to his accuser...ya' think he may have been wooing her to get her to drop charges????

[Taximom]

"The info we have would be what this witness was told."

[TGIRecovered]

Cesar Armondo Loren, 21

[TGIRecovered]

Don't know if I got the name spelled correctly...Ceasar Armondo Loren, 21 yrs old.

[Taximom]

Initiation of relationship after the rape charge was from the missing lady to Loren.

[SuziQ]

IMO, from the beginning, NCIS and local LE has bought the BS that was being said about her. And said by the very people who had it in for her to begin with! For instance, they keep saying their info they had was what they were told....by whom? Sheesh.

[nanandjim]

Don't know if I got the name spelled correctly...Ceasar Armondo Loren, 21 yrs old.
Cesar ARmando Lauren, 21, according to FNC.

[misterallgood]

The middle name is usually spelled "Armando," but I think "Cesar" is correct -- if his parents were indeed latino. But I hardly ever try to predict correct name spellings anymore, between the press messing them up and mothers making up their own, er, "unique" spellings.

Steve/Mr. A

[SuziQ]

Initiation of relationship after the rape charge was from the missing lady to Loren.

And who told LE that? Probably not anyone that's on Marie's side, IMO.

[TGIRecovered]

Initiation of relationship after the rape charge was from the missing lady to Loren.

Yeah, according to who? We don't know where he got that info, and he doesn't sound very discerning to me.

[nanandjim]

That's because LE listened to the very person, (and his co-horts) that she had accused of raping her.
Don't forget that they also must have listened to Mom, if she really said those things about her daughter.

[Amity]

Taximom said:
I can't keep up with this guy!
He's not considered a flight-risk according to the NCIS guy

I was just about to type the exact things!

What gets me to a boiling point is all the "I can't discuss that at this time".

I understand that completely...possible trial, evidence, etc.

BUT
Why not just run a large screen-size scroll of all the info they CAN release?
Why put people up there in a "Breaking News Press Conference" to say "I dont know", "I can't disclose that".

One long list of what can be disclosed, run a couple times so that we that read slow don't miss anything, and then we could come here and the Fantastic Sleuthers here could dissect the information and give it to us in ways we can understand.

Sorry, just venting about this and all other press conferences that end up with so many "I can't give that information", that we who are interested/concerned about the victims of a case end up so much more confused.
Why bother with a Press Conference....just make a full screen list of what they CAN tell us and be done with it.

End of vent and my apologies.

Ami

[cricket]

And who told LE that? Probably not anyone that's on Marie's side, IMO.


ITA - since no one has heard from her since December 14, everything LE knows has come from other sources - probaby the suspect and his friends. I can't believe they didn't at least pick him up on other charges. The marines could have held him, something, anything, to not let him skip town.

[Taximom]

Ami, I thought I was going nuts. Thank you.

[Ticamom]

Gee, the accused rapist starts kissing up to his accuser...ya' think he may have been wooing her to get her to drop charges????

Perhaps the sexual assault was a date-rape type of situation ? Maybe that is why they were supposedly on friendly terms ?

I agree that he was probably trying to get her to drop the charges, and she wouldn't , and after the Military said they would do dna tests on the baby after the birth, he decided to kill her and leave the state , thinking that no body, no evidence of a crime. He thought he was toom smart to be caught, and apparently that is just what happened.

I can't believe how LE just let him slip through their fingers !

[less0305]

Aw, he'll be found, and I'm betting it won't be long. His face will be plastered all over this country and he won't have a place to hide.

[Taximom]

Gum-Branch Road? That might be where they are looking for her body?

[Taximom]

Did anyone get his cell phone number that he just publicized? lol

[cricket]

from FoxNews.com


JACKSONVILLE, N.C. — A missing 20-year-old Marine due to give birth any day is dead and a senior officer accused of raping her is a suspect, a North Carolina sheriff said Friday.
The body of Maria Lauterbach, who vanished last month before she was to testify in a military probe, was located in a shallow grave Friday morning, said OnslowCounty Sheriff Ed Brown at a press conference.
Lauterbach alleged that she was sexually assaulted by a senior officer but that the investigation had gone sour, according to court documents.
A witness came forward to tell authorities where Lauterbach’s body was buried, Brown said. Brown wouldn't comment on cause of death.

Link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321989,00.html

[nanandjim]

Aw, he'll be found, and I'm betting it won't be long. His face will be plastered all over this country and he won't have a place to hide.
I wonder if he has family in Mexico. That's where he could be by now. Have they actually found her body?? Is that still a rumor??

[TGIRecovered]

I don't know if this girl had mental or emotional problems, but even if she did that would just make her a more likely target for an abuser or criminal. People who victimize are skilled at finding a victim who is more vulnerable and less likely to be believed. That is how they get away with their crimes. Anyone who is impared, very young, very old, or has legal problems of their own is most vulnerable.Stepmonster did not help by emphasizing the bi-polar- liar accusation, true or not. It think this type of victim bashing helped to lend credibility to the real monster in this case...the suspect.

[lkd-ga]

CNN is reporting that the last name is spelled Lauren

[STO4]

from FoxNews.com


JACKSONVILLE, N.C. — A missing 20-year-old Marine due to give birth any day is dead and a senior officer accused of raping her is a suspect, a North Carolina sheriff said Friday.
The body of Maria Lauterbach, who vanished last month before she was to testify in a military probe, was located in a shallow grave Friday morning, said OnslowCounty Sheriff Ed Brown at a press conference.
Lauterbach alleged that she was sexually assaulted by a senior officer but that the investigation had gone sour, according to court documents.
A witness came forward to tell authorities where Lauterbach’s body was buried, Brown said. Brown wouldn't comment on cause of death.

Link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321989,00.html

According to the news conference, the body has not been recovered yet.

[cricket]

Well, ABC News and CNN are still saying that her body has not yet been located. I don't know where Fox is gettiing their info - Fox is either leading the pack, or reporting something that isn't true. Who knows.

[Pharlap]

from FoxNews.com


JACKSONVILLE, N.C. — A missing 20-year-old Marine due to give birth any day is dead and a senior officer accused of raping her is a suspect, a North Carolina sheriff said Friday.
The body of Maria Lauterbach, who vanished last month before she was to testify in a military probe, was located in a shallow grave Friday morning, said OnslowCounty Sheriff Ed Brown at a press conference.
Lauterbach alleged that she was sexually assaulted by a senior officer but that the investigation had gone sour, according to court documents.
A witness came forward to tell authorities where Lauterbach’s body was buried, Brown said. Brown wouldn't comment on cause of death.

Link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,321989,00.html


Tks, but some stations are saying there still looking for the grave with the body's.
This is just to wied..

[lkd-ga]

The lastest report on CNN said body recovered this morning and suspect is
Corp Lauren

[cricket]

Fox just corrected their story - it now says the body is believed to be buried......

[Amity]

Few seconds ago from CNN:
Body has NOT been found but they know where it is.

[Taximom]

They have to have it wrong. The sheriff did NOT say her body had been located. They just have "evidence" supposedly that she is dead and buried. The Marines are helping in the search of the site where they think she has been buried.

BOL: Black 2004 Quad Cab Dodge Pickup NC plates: 1522 (Is that all that's on NC plates? 4 digits?)

[bakerprune64]

I still don't see where they ACTUALLY found her body. anybody have a link?

This is the last story that I found updated and it clearly says a body has not been recovered
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2287295/

[Mygirlsadie]

God this makes me so mad... :furious: I am highly pi$$ed off right now at her step-monster how dare her say those things about her? Heartless b**ch!! Could you imagine Sharon Rocha saying anything bad about Laci when she was missing?... I am really fuming over here i'm sorry..

[STO4]

FNC just reaffirmed that the body is not found yet, the article must have been release prematurley. Could be in wooded area acc to Fox news.

[Ticamom]

The sheriff said she was dead and buried, but he didn't actually say her body had been recovered.


From what I remember of J'ville when I was a kid, Gum Branch road had a lot of woody areas where it would be easy to dispose of a body. The grave must be quite shallow if the ground is frozen and too hard to dig in it.

The way the NCIS and LE have handled this case is shameful ! I can imagine Nancy Grace's opinions tonight . :banghead:

[Shamrock]

Forgive me, I'm new to this case.

When was she allegedly raped by this man? And who is the father of her baby?

TIA!

[TGIRecovered]

This suspect must have been well-informed about the investigation. He waits to bolt until the wee hours of this morning; the very day that someone tips cops to the location of the grave? Sounds like someone tipped him off that now was the time to make a run for the border.Susan

[nanandjim]

Fox just corrected their story - it now says the body is believed to be buried......
BUT...the sheriff said that 'She is dead.' That would be highly irresponsible of him to make this statement if they haven't found her. Why wouldn't he say, "She is believed to be dead." :confused:

[SeekingJana]

I feel so angry. Her family called her a compulsive liar this week.
The sheriff is a DUNCE. He ranted and raved at the press instead of giving answers.
The sheriff and military didn't protect her.
She was in trouble, she bought a bus ticket but the timeline hinted at suggests that she was killed soon after the bus ticket purchase, before she had a chance to leave.
She had a military roommate. He didn't protect her and I think he's either missing now too, or isn't cooperating.

The way they know she's dead is because there is physical evidence that she is dead. He didn't say " We think she's dead." He said " A witness has provided evidence".
This is heartbreaking. OMG.

[KOOL LOOK]

God this makes me so mad... :furious: I am highly pi$$ed off right now at her step-monster how dare her say those things about her? Heartless b**ch!! Could you imagine Sharon Rocha saying anything bad about Laci when she was missing?... I am really fuming over here i'm sorry..


What did she say? I saw a short snippet of an interview and she really didn't say much, but it was a short snippet. The body hasn't been recovered yet, the sheriff says the witness gave this information this morning. The suspect has left the area. Has hired three attorneys, supposedly the corporal that sexually assaulted her, and she was due to testify in the trial.

[TGIRecovered]

Forgive me, I'm new to this case.

When was she allegedly raped by this man? And who is the father of her baby?

TIA!

Don't know...apparently the military isn't saying, but working theory is that the pregnancy was the result of the rape.

[cricket]

from the New York Times:

January 10, 2008, 1:32 pm
Pregnant Marine Is Found Dead

By Anahad O'Connor (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/author/aoconnor/)
Updated, Friday, 12:25 p.m. Sheriff Ed Brown of Onslow County, North Carolina, announced at a news conference just now that Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach was dead, with her body found buried. He also named a superior officer as a suspect in the investigation.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/10/tale-of-the-missing-marine-whos-also-pregnant/?hp



I don't think any of them know which way is up!

[SeekingJana]

BUT...the sheriff said that 'She is dead.' That would be highly irresponsible of him to make this statement if they haven't found her. Why wouldn't he say, "She is believed to be dead." :confused:

Sheriff has physical evidence from a witness that she is deceased. We don't know what the evidence is, but it is physical evidence that she's dead. Not that they think she's dead, but that she is indeed dead.
I am so upset!! Another woman murdered in NC who was pregnant. I think this makes number 5 that we know about.

[STO4]

Server issues seem to be occuring on ws, havent heard any new updates yet but if I do I will post it.

[lkd-ga]

What about the Baby? If suspect is responible and charged with Murder will it
be 2 counts are 1

[Shamrock]

Don't know...apparently the military isn't saying, but working theory is that the pregnancy was the result of the rape.

Okay, thanks!

[STO4]

it will likely be 2 counts

[lymom3]

Sheriff has physical evidence from a witness that she is deceased. We don't know what the evidence is, but it is physical evidence that she's dead. Not that they think she's dead, but that she is indeed dead.
I am so upset!! Another woman murdered in NC who was pregnant. I think this makes number 5 that we know about.

I wonder if it was something from a roommate of the suspect. Perhaps something that was found this morning after Cpl Lauren had taken off?

[JDB]

I feel so angry. Her family called her a compulsive liar this week.
The sheriff is a DUNCE. He ranted and raved at the press instead of giving answers.
The sheriff and military didn't protect her.
She was in trouble, she bought a bus ticket but the timeline hinted at suggests that she was killed soon after the bus ticket purchase, before she had a chance to leave.
She had a military roommate. He didn't protect her and I think he's either missing now too, or isn't cooperating.
The way they know she's dead is because there is physical evidence that she is dead. He didn't say " We think she's dead." He said " A witness has provided evidence".
This is heartbreaking. OMG.


No her roomate was the one that came back from Calif. and talked.He was ordered to go to Calif.I think he was the one that told the LE that Maria and the suspect had reunited.

[Taximom]

Who knows anything about the baby? What if the baby isn't with her? Chances are she was killed while still pregnant, but I don't understand how they know anything in this case.

The sheriff was just talking with a Fox reporter and I swear he keeps mixing up the names between the suspect and the supposed roomie that has evidence....

[TGIRecovered]

FOX just re-interviewed Sheriff Brown, trying to clarify what he said a PC.Asked him if he had spoken to Cesar (the suspect in the rape and murder). Sheriff must have mis-understood 'cause he spent the next 40 seconds saying how cooperative he was and not suspicious acting at all, and he knew her best because he lived with her! Hello! Sheriff, I believe you are describing the roomate who came back from California to aid in investigation, not the suspect whm you were asked about!The interviewer interrupted him for breaking news, but did not seem to catch the mistake.

[Pharlap]

Who knows anything about the baby? What if the baby isn't with her? Chances are she was killed while still pregnant, but I don't understand how they know anything in this case.

The sheriff was just talking with a Fox reporter and I swear he keeps mixing up the names between the suspect and the supposed roomie that has evidence....


Isn't it a mess...OMG
Every station and the net reporting different news on this...
I can't keep up with all of them and to know what is what...:waitasec:

[TGIRecovered]

Who knows anything about the baby? What if the baby isn't with her? Chances are she was killed while still pregnant, but I don't understand how they know anything in this case.

The sheriff was just talking with a Fox reporter and I swear he keeps mixing up the names between the suspect and the supposed roomie that has evidence....

Oh, good question!The baby could have been delivered before he killed the mom...could that be the physical evidence to which the Sheriff refers? Is that sheriff sharp enough to keep a secret like that without even a hint during the presser?

[Ticamom]

FOX just re-interviewed Sheriff Brown, trying to clarify what he said a PC.Asked him if he had spoken to Cesar (the suspect in the rape and murder). Sheriff must have mis-understood 'cause he spent the next 40 seconds saying how cooperative he was and not suspicious acting at all, and he knew her best because he lived with her! Hello! Sheriff, I believe you are describing the roomate who came back from California to aid in investigation, not the suspect whm you were asked about!The interviewer interrupted him for breaking news, but did not seem to catch the mistake.

This sheriff is giving my hometown a bad name. He seems like one of those bumbling sheriff's on TV such as Smokey and the Bandit or The Dukes of Hazzard. SHEESH !

This whole case just reeks ! I can't find any breaking news of her body's recovery or anything. Anybody have a link ?

[believe09]

Are the roommate and the officer the same person? That shows you how confused I am...so they have the body...my guess is there was some kind of photographic evidence or maybe the baby...her mother must be in hysterics after all of the unkind remarks she made...

[lkd-ga]

I read (not sure which one) an on-line ariticle that stated that the baby was
assumed dead also. That there was no indication that the baby was still alive. I think it was the Fayetteville NC Local papaer.

[calidreamin]

This is quit a mess indeed. Well I haven't heard anything about about the baby taximom except that Maria was 8 months pregnant. The sherrif said at the news conference that he knew nothing about the baby, like who the father is or whether she was having a girl or boy. I think it unbelievable also that this suspect was able to get away. The sherrif kept saying well he had a lawyer and wouldn't talk to us, didn't they ever hear of tailing a suspect?

[TGIRecovered]

I am still very puzzled as to why the suspect was not considered a flight risk. Could it really be that military investigators were so quick to discount her as a nut-case that they were totally fooled ?I get a hinky feeling when someone is being dishonest with me. Many times it is very obvious. I'm sure that there are some people who are easily fooled, but it frustrates me to think that a person or persons who can't tell the difference would be in charge of an investigation.It is pretty sad when a perp can plan and carry out the murder and disposition of the body of his accuser right under LE's nose. Sheriff Brown even said that they had "kept a close eye on him". Right!

[Jaded]

This is just so sad.

[SuziQ]

The current incoherent rambling by Brown should not surprise us. Just yesterday he had that presser telling Marie "That this has got to stop". That they had evidence that indicated she ran off.

I Brown is elegible for retirement, that's what he needs to do ASAP.

ETA: IIRC, he also said she needed "help" (as in mental help( and they could get it for her.

[SeekingJana]

What about the Baby? If suspect is responible and charged with Murder will it
be 2 counts are 1

Sadly, no.
This has been covered in other recent, unsolved homicides of pregnant women in the state of NC ( Janet Abaroa, Jenna Nielson, Michelle Young)
NC does NOT have a fetal murder law. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Indy Gal]

So sad how this ended. Although I havent followed this as closely as you guys I just knew there was no way she just ran off. Again not knowing much I just hope this SM feels like chit now for how she has been putting her down.

[TGIRecovered]

Has anyone seen a pic or even a good description of suspect Cesar Armando Lauren?

[lkd-ga]

This is so sad, Maria must have been so scared living in these conditions.
She was only 18, just a baby herself. It sounds like she did not get allot of
support from her family. And I am sure that as a naive 18yr old in a mans
world allot of what she said was ignored. It does not seem like she had anyone to turn to for support and when you add the fact that she was pregant to this I am sure she must have felt overwhelmed and scared. I could not see my daughter at 18 leaving home and joining the military. It
does not sound like she was emotionally mature enough to join the Marines.
I wonder if she joined to escape family pressures. So very sad.

[JDB]

Has anyone seen a pic or even a good description of suspect Cesar Armando Lauren?

They are working on getting a picture of the suspect and car.Also I just read that Maria dropped the sexaul assult charge last year. But she was supposedly witness something else and was suppose to testufy.

[SeekingJana]

So sad how this ended. Although I havent followed this as closely as you guys I just knew there was no way she just ran off. Again not knowing much I just hope this SM feels like chit now for how she has been putting her down.

It's so sad and tragic on so many levels. This is the angriest/ saddest I have been since Laci Peterson and Conner were murdered. EVERYONE failed this pretty young woman, even calling her mentally ill and a compulsive liar.
Her family has a lot to answer to for the way they have spoken about her.

I have to go, I have to get away from this. My heart is BREAKING for ALL the young pregnant women who have been killed. They never ever had a chance against the murdering men who didn't want to be bothered with a child. God help this country.

On a related note, I just read a news article by Michael Baden addressing the extreme problem of cannibalism in the USA.
God help this country.

[calidreamin]

Has anyone seen a pic or even a good description of suspect Cesar Armando Lauren?

The sheriff said at the press conference that they don't have a picture of him yet.

[Pharlap]

The sheriff said at the press conference that they don't have a picture of him yet.

Give me a break, the marines have it.....:bang:
And how long did they know about this guy...
Plus they can get it from the DMV.

[TGIRecovered]

It would be helpful if we knew where he was from, where he has relatives and friends. What is the connection to the ElPaso area? Is she from there, is the suspect from there, or is that just a convenient place to cross the border to Mexico?Is this suspect stupid enough to try to use that bus ticket that she purchased to get to the border?I've been to ElPaso, you walk across the street and you are in Mexico, no questions asked!Susan

[Jadenn]

Hi everyone,

I live on Gum Branch Road, but I'm at work today so I haven't been down there. I'll keep anyone posted on what's going on if I hear anything

[calidreamin]

Give me a break, the marines have it.....:bang:
And how long did they know about this guy...

I know! When he said that I thought what in the world, they can't get a picture of him right away? My lord he has a drivers liscence because they said he had escaped in his truck. Can't LE just pull a copy of those up on their computors? Also I am sure you are right that the marines must have on of him.

[SuziQ]

On a related note, I just read a news article by Michael Baden addressing the extreme problem of cannibalism in the USA.
God help this country.

We have an extreme problem of cannibalism in the USA? :eek:

[calidreamin]

Hi everyone,

I live on Gum Branch Road, but I'm at work today so I haven't been down there. I'll keep anyone posted on what's going on if I hear anything

Hi Jadenn thanks for offering to keep us posted.

[TGIRecovered]

Hi everyone,

I live on Gum Branch Road, but I'm at work today so I haven't been down there. I'll keep anyone posted on what's going on if I hear anything

Thank You, please do!Yipee, I like it when we have one of us there keeping an eye on things!Susan

[Indy Gal]

((((((SEEKINGJANA))))))


Thanks for the local updates Jadenn!! I also used to live in this area for a short time and lived on your road as well. Such a beautiful area!

[Pharlap]

I know! When he said that I thought what in the world, they can't get a picture of him right away? My lord he has a drivers liscence because they said he had escaped in his truck. Can't LE just pull a copy of those up on their computors? Also I am sure you are right that the marines must have on of him.


Ya, just added that to my post.
DMV has a copy of it.
What would it take but a few minutes to get
and help find this guy...
Give me a break.:boohoo:

[TGIRecovered]

I would like to know who led them to the body. Who would know something like that other than the killer or an accomplice? I have not heard any mention of an accomplice at all, not that that means anything coming from these bozos.Susan

[Jadenn]

It is a beautiful area. They're looking for the body somewhere near N. Bryan Road, which is closer to the Half Moon area out towards Richlands, if anyone is familiar with the area. I'm not exactly sure what neighborhood that is, but I'm thinking it must be out near Lauredale.

[lizzybeth]

This is so sad, Maria must have been so scared living in these conditions.
She was only 18, just a baby herself. It sounds like she did not get allot of
support from her family. And I am sure that as a naive 18yr old in a mans
world allot of what she said was ignored. It does not seem like she had anyone to turn to for support and when you add the fact that she was pregant to this I am sure she must have felt overwhelmed and scared. I could not see my daughter at 18 leaving home and joining the military. It
does not sound like she was emotionally mature enough to join the Marines.
I wonder if she joined to escape family pressures. So very sad.

Not that it matters but she was twenty yrs. old not eighteen. I heard Fox news is supposed to be putting up a picture shortly.

[Taximom]

Thank you, Jadenn. I wasn't sure I heard the sheriff right when he said the name of that street.

Can you describe that area? Is it desolate? City? Suburban with homes on it, or businesses?

TIA.

Yeah, please, about his picture. They've known about him re: the missing case for at least 3 weeks and they don't have a picture handy? :mad:

[nanandjim]

Give me a break, the marines have it.....:bang:
And how long did they know about this guy...
Plus they can get it from the DMV.
Really, we have a suspected murderer on the run. Why isn't a photo of this guy up yet?? Could it be because they haven't found the body? We don't even know if there is a body yet.

Wouldn't it be something if this were an elaborate plan for both of these individuals to escape the military life? I may be naive, but I still hope that the girl is alive. What could the sheriff possibly have that would say for sure that this girl is dead?

[nanandjim]

It is a beautiful area. They're looking for the body somewhere near N. Bryan Road, which is closer to the Half Moon area out towards Richlands, if anyone is familiar with the area. I'm not exactly sure what neighborhood that is, but I'm thinking it must be out near Lauredale.
How far away is this area from the base?

[Indy Gal]

Might be a stupid question here so excuse me if it is. Will they be able to get the DNA from the baby to prove her story true?

[Ticamom]

Ya, just added that to my post.
DMV has a copy of it.
What would it take but a few minutes to get
and help find this guy...
Give me a break.:boohoo:

My thoughts exactly ! In this day and age, there is no excuse not to have a photo by now to get people to be on the lookout of him. Look how fast Georgia LE got photos of Hilton after Meredith's disappearance, and Hilton was a homeless drifter ! How can the USMC not cooperate in getting Loren's photo out ????? I am sooo frickin' angry right now !!!!!:furious:

[TGIRecovered]

It is a beautiful area. They're looking for the body somewhere near N. Bryan Road, which is closer to the Half Moon area out towards Richlands, if anyone is familiar with the area. I'm not exactly sure what neighborhood that is, but I'm thinking it must be out near Lauredale.

Honey, you're looking a little bit green to me...why don't you take the rest of the day off since it's Friday anyway?Maybe take a slow drive past the crime scene with a camera handy...have a nice cup of tea while you fill us in?Susan

[Indy Gal]

How far away is this area from the base?
If anyone is good with maps, I am not could someone make one and post a link, Please.

[nanandjim]

I would like to know who led them to the body. Who would know something like that other than the killer or an accomplice? I have not heard any mention of an accomplice at all, not that that means anything coming from these bozos.Susan
I am wondering if Cesar had a roommate that discovered some incriminating evidence and then turned him in.

[Taximom]

Indy, no question is ever stupid around here! If the baby is with her, they will be able to get its DNA.

[nanandjim]

Might be a stupid question here so excuse me if it is. Will they be able to get the DNA from the baby to prove her story true?
I believe so. Laci Peterson's baby, Conner, washed ashore several months after his mother was murdered. DNA tests proved that he was Scott's child.

[Indy Gal]

Okay another one and I am sorry for not being caught up, due to my currant condtion I tried really hard to stay away from this. How do they know where she is buried? Did someone tell them or did they find her during a search?

ETA Quick WS is going slow go to chat if we go down if you need the link go to the private forums and get it there or PM me I will give it to you

[lkd-ga]

I was reading on another board and it was reported that the info came from a female that Lauren confess to. No link available.

[Taximom]

They have not found her according to the sheriff. They were told of a location by someone (person from CA?) and given some kind of evidence that leads LE to believe she is buried in a shallow grave by Gum Branch Rd.

Indy, the press conference was ridiculous. As far as I'm concerned this whole investigation is f'd up as the Sheriff seems to bend with the wind from wherever it is blowing. He was ready to tell us there was going to be a favorable outcome to this situation a/o last night. Now today he supposedly knows otherwise.

Like SeekingJana has said, EVERYONE has failed this poor woman.

[SeekingJana]

I was reading on another board and it was reported that the info came from a female that Lauren confess to. No link available.

The NCIS investigator called the informant who turned over physical evidence a " she". The stupid sheriff didn't.
He did answer press to the affirmative that the informant is a " she" after the NCIS guy said it. ( Sorry, I don't know how to spell the NCIS investigator's name).

[TGIRecovered]

Sheriff seems to be very reluctant to challenge the suspect's lawyers at all. Is he just very easily intimidated or what? Doesn't he know they are full of hot air?I'm thinking the lawyers have something to do with keeping his pic out of the news. I hate it when LE gives in to lawyer threats. Defense lawyers have a field day with gullible people. Sorry, but this sheriff is just too easily played for a fool.Susan

[Taximom]

Ah, interesting, lkd-ga. That would explain the sheriff yelling at a reporter that called the person that gave them info "he" not "she". He said "YOU said he, I never said he OR she". lol

[Indy Gal]

OT Taxi I just saw my comment on myspace, Thank you so much!!

[SeekingJana]

We have an extreme problem of cannibalism in the USA? :eek:

There is a transcript of a FOX interview with Michael Baden in which he says there is.
However, I just got the nerve to watch the video of what was actually said and how it was said on FOX news, and I swear, they are JOKING about the man in Texas who ate part of his ( beautiful) dead girlfriend's body.

I am totally disgusted by Michael Baden and the Fox news team for joking about something so horrifying.

I usually don't drink but I am signing off now and heading to the nearest Chili's for a couple ( or more) of shakers of their El Presidente' margaritas.
I can't bear the murder of more beautiful young women and the fact that people are making jokes or, in the case of Maria, brushing aside alarming facts about her disappearance.

When is it going to occur to LE that 8 mth pregnant women do not just pack up and leave???? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Ticamom]

Can anyone find out if Cesar Loren or Lauren has a myspace or facebook page ? Maybe we can find find his photo there ??!!!:confused:

[Taximom]

You're welcome, Indy. I see by your latest update it didn't work out so well. If I still had any contacts there I'd be calling and raising hell for you!

[lkd-ga]

An news article in the Jacksonville Nc paper said that a search is being done near a home that is owned by a couple with the last name Lauren. According to public record. Is this his parents are was he already married. This paper also states that they have spoke with her uncle who states that he was in regular contact with her and she was being painted unfairly in the press. She
was a bright girl who volunteered for marines and she was not given allot of support.


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