Missing Georgia hiker--Meredith Emerson, 24 #4

[WindChime]

Continue on. Remember to respect one anothers opinion EVERYONE has a right to their own opinion.

[angelwngs]

I posted possible victims on the links only thread, but where do we discuss them? I wanted to hear what every one thought about two elderly sisters killed in NC in 2006. Their throats were slit, and the area was rural.
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories...732&ran=142214 (http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/print.cfm?story=129732&ran=142214) I know one of his other possiable victims was found not to far from her car as well.

I looked at Gary Hilton's timeline that SQ posted in this forum... These murders could fit into the timeline as far as I can see. Their throats being slit could indicate an earlier stage in his manner of killing the victim and he could have progressed to removing the head of the victims as he got more notches under his belt in his killing spree...

It's possible that he did these murders in my opinion. They should at least be looked at closely...with him as a possible person of interest.

[sweetmop]

Meredith's funeral today.
Note the picture of her beloved little dog, Ella, who was at the service.



http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/memorial0112.html

[angelwngs]

Hank Scorpio wrote on previous, locked thread: "You know I was sitting here thinking about that video of Hilton from the dashcam with the Deputy and one thing was very strange and I dont know if anyone mentioned it.
Where was his dog?
The video is 20 minutes long and I have watched the long version that has been released and there is no sign of a dog. If He had a dog with him it would have come up via conversation with the deputy. Ether he did not have the dog there with him or it was off running in the woods and I would not think he would let a dog run around a hunting zone. Even if it was a well trained dog you would still hear him tell it to sit or stay and surely the deputy would have commented on it.
Just struck me as odd."

~~~~~~~~~~~
Hank, I think you make a good point. You would think that most dogs would at the very least stick their nose out to see what was going on, and many would bark in protection of their turf and of their owner. There has been mention of a different dog, a brown and black one, I believe also associated with Hilton.

There is no telling how many different dogs he had and what eventually became of each of them. I would like to know if the deputy in the video noticed a dog with Hilton at the time the video was taken.

[sweetmop]

Another article...




http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/911calls0112.html

[Hank Scorpio]

Hank, I think you make a good point. You would think that most dogs would at the very least stick their nose out to see what was going on, and many would bark in protection of their turf and of their owner. There has been mention of a different dog, a brown and black one, I believe also associated with Hilton.

There is no telling how many different dogs he had and what eventually became of each of them. I would like to know if the deputy in the video noticed a dog with Hilton at the time the video was taken.

Someone mentioned in the other thread that maybe the dog was in the back of the van but I watched it again and the back door on the van appeared to be open.
I own 2 dogs and the more I watch it the more I begin to think there was not a dog there. IF he did have a dog at the time then it was at another location while he was in the park.....which means his story for being there was totally a lie and he was returning very soon to a place where his dog was waiting for him.
If there was dog in the van the deputy would have definantly asked about it before walking over to the van. I dont know anyone, deputy or not, who doesnt ask about a strange dog before they approach it or its "home."


MeoW333- Ya thats exactly what I am starting to think. Why run the risk of having a dog with you while you are dumping a body. I am a dog person and if I come across a dog and their owner I will ALWAYS look at the dog first. Even a kid or something would be more likely to remember the dog they saw then the random guy.

[MeoW333]

Hank Scorpio wrote on previous, locked thread: "You know I was sitting here thinking about that video of Hilton from the dashcam with the Deputy and one thing was very strange and I dont know if anyone mentioned it.
Where was his dog?
The video is 20 minutes long and I have watched the long version that has been released and there is no sign of a dog. If He had a dog with him it would have come up via conversation with the deputy. Ether he did not have the dog there with him or it was off running in the woods and I would not think he would let a dog run around a hunting zone. Even if it was a well trained dog you would still hear him tell it to sit or stay and surely the deputy would have commented on it.
Just struck me as odd."

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Hank, I think you make a good point. You would think that most dogs would at the very least stick their nose out to see what was going on, and many would bark in protection of their turf and of their owner. There has been mention of a different dog, a brown and black one, I believe also associated with Hilton.

There is no telling how many different dogs he had and what eventually became of each of them. I would like to know if the deputy in the video noticed a dog with Hilton at the time the video was taken.

This is a good point.. Did Hilton have Dandy trained to stay stealthy with him, or did he have someone he knew that would dog sit Dandy for him? I've never heard of a criminal bringing their dog on killing sprees before, it's so bizarre.. Hilton seems so concerned about the well being of Dandy; even Ella was spared. I'm thinking maybe Hilton had a "safe place" to keep Dandy when he went on some of his risky trips to dump bodies. In that dashcam vid, he sure is nervous.. Maybe he was coming back from visiting a dumping site of his. They say serial killers like to relive their crimes; Hilton is not a typical one, so i'm not sure if that stands for him, also. Everything about this case is not typical.
I do agree with what someone said (i forget who) that Hilton being homeless had escalated him to spree killing instead of the usual serial killing.

[SuziQ]

The video is 20 minutes long and I have watched the long version that has been released and there is no sign of a dog.

Are you saying you saw the 20 min video or the 5-6 minute one? If it's the 20 minute one please post the link. I've been searching for that for days.

[indigomood]

Are you saying you saw the 20 min video or the 5-6 minute one? If it's the 20 minute one please post the link. I've been searching for that for days.

this is the best link so far, imo, includes a bit of close captioning, shows the caller who leveled the complaint of trespassing arriving on the scene etc but is not the entire tape... the four clips ~ 10-12 mins. I, too, would be interested in seeing the entire clip if anyone has the link.

02 min 17 secs - Police video shows Hilton in October

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/content/multimedia/video/index.html?clip=55847

04 min 47 sec - Raw Video: Gary Hilton stopped by deputy

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/content/multimedia/video/index.html?clip=55847

03 min 16 secs - Raw Video: Deputy lets Hilton go after brief check

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/content/multimedia/video/index.html?clip=55847

03 min 10 sec - Raw Video: Hilton calls hunters 'crazy'

http://www.ajc.com/multimedia/content/multimedia/video/index.html?clip=55847

[SuziQ]

Another article...
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/911calls0112.html

Wow, LE must have some great evidence. My questions is who's evidence? Was he throwing away his trophies? From the below link:

A man who spotted accused killer Gary Michael Hilton at a DeKalb County gas station last week watched as Hilton threw away several backpacks, a sleeping bag and a purse into a trash bin, according to 911 calls obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/911calls0112.html

Backpacks would be from hikers right? John, Irene, Emerson
Purse is Cheryls?

[SuziQ]

this is the best link so far, imo, includes a bit of close captioning, shows the caller who leveled the complaint of trespassing arriving on the scene etc but is not the entire tape... the four clips ~ 10-12 mins. I, too, would be interested in seeing the entire clip if anyone has the link.

Dang, I was hoping you had the 20 minute one. Maybe soon huh?

[ember]

Posted by Dee

"Just in case no one posted this, here is Meredith's MySpace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...id=168 655599 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=168655599)

Last login: 12/31/2007
Mood: Pissed off...... "




Thank you Dee for posting her myspace. I had asked quite a few posts back if anyone knew if she had one.

Did anyone notice her tag line? How ironic life is sometimes.
Her tag line on myspace was "Hide the crazy...." and that's just what the crazy was doing....hiding, in plain site for years. Just seemed so eery to me.


I'm lurking a good bit and I just have to tell you all that you are doing a fantastic job with putting things together. I think we'll never truly know how many vicitms he had unless he decides to brag.

Wishing her family some kind of peace.....and Ella lots of love

Fly high now Meredith, knowing that the love so many shared for you kept this disappearance from dying...now, at least a few other families may have some sort of closure and no one else will ever be harmed by this twisted evil being. Your suffering was not in vain.

[Pharlap]

Another article...




http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/911call (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/911calls0112.html)
s0112.html (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/911calls0112.html)


What a story, tg for the guy that stayed on the line....:blowkiss:

[close_enough]

What a story, tg for the guy that stayed on the line....:blowkiss:


yes i agree!...kinda riveting (sp?) reading!

[Mygirlsadie]

Did any of you notice on the dashcam video when the Cop asks him for identification he got right up close next to the officer and pointed his finger at something and said you see that bag right over there? My ID is in that bag or something like that...it was soooo weird. People don't act like that. And how he was conducting manuevers? Ooook weirdo.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yes! I thought the same thing. And he was willing to ''take him down!.. :clap:




What a story, tg for the guy that stayed on the line....:blowkiss:

[MeoW333]

I think Hilton liked to play the crazy card, thinking he could work his way out of trouble with it.

[close_enough]

Suspect eyed in string of slayings
Well-known profiler fears that Gary Michael Hilton is 'way out there on the 'Silence of the Lambs' scale.''

By Rhonda Cook, Jeffry Scott
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 01/12/08

Five days after Gary Michael Hilton led investigators into the north Georgia woods to the body of a missing Buford hiker, law enforcement officers in two other states named the vagabond a suspect in three other unsolved deaths.

Hilton, who has been charged with murder and kidnapping in the death of Meredith Emerson, 24, of Buford, is being held in the Dawson County jail. But late Friday, more charges appear to be on the way. Hilton is being investigated in five cases —- two in Georgia, one in North Carolina and two in Florida. Victims in three of the cases were decapitated.

much more at link below

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/01/12/missing0112.html?cxntlid=inform


AMW - Michael Scot Louis may have been his November killing.....

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=51630

[close_enough]

very interesting .... Michael Scot Louis was, more than likely, kept alive for several days before he was killed also....

[SeriouslySearching]

We don't have a base anymore if they can connect him to this one. Which means there are going to be so many murders that could be his that we can't narrow down without a look at the DNA in those cases.

It would mean: His MO changes, the way he leaves them changes, he drove the vehicle back is different, and other things. We NEED to know if his DNA is here. It means that we have NO base at ALL! We can't take basics from killings like they have with Meredith and the recent murders that happened along the trails or near the woods, with the ATM cards being a common factor, and the other connections then find out this guy breaks all those molds including being found in trash bags in water. I am just floored that they even related this one to GMH.

[Mygirlsadie]

Michael Scot Louis seemed like such a sweet all around nice guy...my heart is breaking over here.



very interesting .... Michael Scot Louis was, more than likely, kept alive for several days before he was killed also....

[Pharlap]

Does anyone know(fact) that both of hilton's vehicle's were working?

[SeriouslySearching]

We have no confirmation the second vehicle was viable.

[close_enough]

We don't have a base anymore if they can connect him to this one. Which means there are going to be so many murders that could be his that we can't narrow down without a look at the DNA in those cases.

It would mean: His MO changes, the way he leaves them changes, he drove the vehicle back is different, and other things. We NEED to know if his DNA is here. It means that we have NO base at ALL! We can't take basics from killings like they have with Meredith and the recent murders that happened along the trails or near the woods, with the ATM cards being a common factor, and the other connections then find out this guy breaks all those molds including being found in trash bags in water. I am just floored that they even related this one to GMH.

i'm a little surprised too, but i guess the fact that he was decapitated/dismembered, along with him probably being alive for several days before his death, plays into this.....maybe there's some other details about Michael's death that LE has kept close to their vests, that is similar also......interesting

[SeriouslySearching]

Go back and read his scenario.

1. Male
2. Water
3. trash bags
4. Car back
5. No money involved.

Where does this coincide with Hilton and other cases?!

[SeriouslySearching]

I hope there really is no connection like DNA..because it means that Gary Michael Hilton is a more prolific killer than we ever imagined. I said I thought it could go into the double digits...this could go beyond. It would not give him a scenario that could pull him into other cases by what is known from other killings. It would broaden the spectrum to so many that we have no clue on the end result.

How could they not even look at the many cases we have found? We kept them into his category!

[DeltaDawn]

This yet another video of the LE dashboard cam. However I think it is better quality and much clearer. Infact you can see a glare off of the huge glasses Hilton is wearing, whereas before you didn't notice the glasses as much. Also once you see him in those glasses he looks remarkably like the ATM photo in Dunlops case. I think he had the glasses on then and people referred to them as googles..they aren't they are huge glasses that seem to look like googles. Take a look..what do you think? Even the structure of his face is more apparent in these photos and even with the masked tape mask..the structure looks the same.
Also in this tape he does mention his dog..but I couldn't quite mak out what he said.
http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/VIDEO/80109054

[SuziQ]

Wow, LE must have some great evidence. My questions is who's evidence? Was he throwing away his trophies? From the below link:

A man who spotted accused killer Gary Michael Hilton at a DeKalb County gas station last week watched as Hilton threw away several backpacks, a sleeping bag and a purse into a trash bin, according to 911 calls obtained by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/911calls0112.html

Backpacks would be from hikers right? John, Irene, Emerson
Purse is Cheryls?

Bumping up this post. Is anyone as disturbed by this as I am? :eek:

[Hank Scorpio]

If its true about what this guy watched Hilton throw out then it really doesnt surprise me. All through this investigation LE has kinda reiterated that they have found tons of evidence and that it will take time to sort it all out.

If Hilton was really living on the trails as everyone suspects then it only seems silly of him to throw away things that he would need....irregardless of how he got them. Besides money being a factor in his crimes, maybe he was also robbing for gear to use.
I have not researched the John and Irene Bryant case any, but was it ever said if they found any of their belongings or hiking gear?

[concernedperson]

Bumping up this post. Is anyone as disturbed by this as I am? :eek:

Totally chilling to hear that call and visualize what was going on. I am so glad that man didn't try to take Hilton down and waited for police.

[Angelray]

This yet another video of the LE dashboard cam. However I think it is better quality and much clearer. Infact you can see a glare off of the huge glasses Hilton is wearing, whereas before you didn't notice the glasses as much. Also once you see him in those glasses he looks remarkably like the ATM photo in Dunlops case. I think he had the glasses on then and people referred to them as googles..they aren't they are huge glasses that seem to look like googles. Take a look..what do you think? Even the structure of his face is more apparent in these photos and even with the masked tape mask..the structure looks the same.

http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/VIDEO/80109054

Looks to me like big glasses on him in that video. Like he is wearing them down on this nose.

[Angelray]

Bumping up this post. Is anyone as disturbed by this as I am? :eek:

Its hard to tell how many people this man has hurt, and how much stuff he has thrown in the dumpster. All of this just makes me sick to my stomach.
I know someone was joking when they said something about marks on his belt but It would not surprise me if the jerk doesnt have marks on his belt....:furious:

[DeltaDawn]

Bumping up this post. Is anyone as disturbed by this as I am? :eek:

I am very concerned and appalled by this. 3 sleeping bags, and 3 backpacks and the purse....which leads me to believe that was just some of what he was getting rid of..that he was possibly keeping a sleeping bag or 2, same with the backpacks for future trail excursions. Plus combine in what he may have previously dumped after each kill..it becomes mind boggling. He would not have thrown out everything he owned or every bit of evidence...he obviously didn't even know he was wanted at the time. He was just getting his van more inorder for returning to work.

Remember the posts about a guy who lived not far from an abandoned mountain cabin located not too far from where Meredith was found? I wonder how much stuff he may have left there too, for the next time? That is, if he is the person who was at that cabin.

I bet some of that evidence matches the Bryants belongings as well as Dunlops..oh how wicked this man was.......Just MHO.

[DeltaDawn]

Totally chilling to hear that call and visualize what was going on. I am so glad that man didn't try to take Hilton down and waited for police.

I am so glad that man made that call and was willing to stay there until police got there. You can hear a woman's voice in the background helping him with the description and trying to ID the tag on the van....I'm glad that 911 dispatcher stayed on the phone with him and instructed him in what to do and not do. Both are to be applauded.

[SuziQ]

I originally got the link to the below article from:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/truecrimeweblog/8599761278446789725/?a=35856

(snip)
While some media have tried to apply the "serial killer" label to describe Hilton, investigators have not gone that far. They say he hasn't exhibited all the specific qualities of a serial killer.
But retired FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt said it's possible Hilton is a serial killer.
"There is a strong chance this guy ... is responsible for multiple homicide," Van Zandt said. "He's 61 years old. He didn't just fall off the turnip truck. This guy may be strange and bizarre but that's [decapitation] pretty far out. Is there a chance he is a serial killer? I think there is a strong possibility he is. The question is how long has he been doing this and how many homicides is he responsible for?
"This guy is way out there on the 'Silence of the Lambs' scale," Van Zandt said, comparing Hilton to a central character in a movie about a killer who ate his victims.
http://www.ajc.com/2008/content/2008/01/12/missing_0112.html?cxntlid=inform

[jipc]

he obviously didn't even know he was wanted at the time. He was just getting his van more inorder for returning to work.


He may have actually been made aware that LE was looking for him when he called his ex girlfriend. Although it doesnt exactly state that she told him he was being looked for in the below link, I remember hearing that she was the one that told him somewhere else. (cant remember where-I have been all over the place reading the past few days) So he may have been trying to get rid of whatever evidence he might think could lead him to other victims.

gardenmom[/b] http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1903314#post1903314)
Here is an article that says who he called from the payphone:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/met..._tab_newsta b (http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/11/missing_0112_web3.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newsta b)

'Hilton's phone callto an old girlfriend from a pay phone at the QuikTrip outside of Cumming on the Friday investigators found bloody garments determined to be Emerson's.

"My understanding from the GBI is that he was asking her for money, and she told him 'No way,' " Paxton said. "He was wanted by every law enforcement agency in the state."

[cwiz24]

Bumping up this post. Is anyone as disturbed by this as I am? :eek:

I can't remember being as disturbed as I have been over the past two weeks, Suzi. This whole thing is disturbing.

However, I think if Hilton had disposed of purses or bags that may have belonged to the Bryants, the authorities would have linked him more conclusively to that incident, just like they did to Dunlap. In fact, perhaps he did dispose of Dunlap's bags at the Chevron, explaining why LE tied him so quickly to that case. I mean, there was hardly any wavering on the part of LE that Hilton was involved with Dunlap's murder. It was like they said it was him right away.

[MeoW333]

IMO, i think Hilton was aware that people were looking for him and that's why he called his ex girlfriend from the payphone also, asking for money. He was probably going to skip town. The "sting" tabor had set up with police leaving $800 for Hilton on the deck; Hilton probably suspected something so didn't take the bait, and LE caught him elsewhere.
LE are taking there time with this case, Hilton's not going anywhere and i'm sure they have a lot of evidence in different states connecting him already. It's a process of gathering evidence so it will stand up in court and hold better.

[SeriouslySearching]

Looks to me like big glasses on him in that video. Like he is wearing them down on this nose.They reported he was wearing goggles (like safety goggles) in the ATM photos.

[DeltaDawn]

They reported he was wearing goggles (like safety goggles).

SS, several posts above I posted a link to the video with the LE when he was on the private hunting reserve. If you watch that you will see he is wearing very big glasses that could be the same as in the ATM video after the Dunlop killing. The video I posted is much clearer then those previously released and you can definitely catch the glare off of those huge glasses he is wearing. They look very similiar to what was on his face at the atm video.

http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll...VIDEO/80109054 (http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/VIDEO/80109054)

[Beyond Belief]

would u happen to have a link to the atm video

[gardenmom]

They reported he was wearing goggles (like safety goggles).

Who reported he was wearing safety goggles? You mean he was reported wearing them in the video with the police officer? If so, it sure looks like there is another piece to the Dunlap puzzle.

[MeoW333]

I am very concerned and appalled by this. 3 sleeping bags, and 3 backpacks and the purse....which leads me to believe that was just some of what he was getting rid of..that he was possibly keeping a sleeping bag or 2, same with the backpacks for future trail excursions. Plus combine in what he may have previously dumped after each kill..it becomes mind boggling. He would not have thrown out everything he owned or every bit of evidence...he obviously didn't even know he was wanted at the time. He was just getting his van more inorder for returning to work.

Remember the posts about a guy who lived not far from an abandoned mountain cabin located not too far from where Meredith was found? I wonder how much stuff he may have left there too, for the next time? That is, if he is the person who was at that cabin.

I bet some of that evidence matches the Bryants belongings as well as Dunlops..oh how wicked this man was.......Just MHO.

I couldn't imagine the Bryants going hiking with sleeping bags and numerous backpacks. At their age, i guessed they were going for a day hike.
I wonder whose belongings Hilton threw out. Maybe there's DNA evidence on the sleeping bags so he had to rid of them.

[close_enough]

This yet another video of the LE dashboard cam. However I think it is better quality and much clearer. Infact you can see a glare off of the huge glasses Hilton is wearing, whereas before you didn't notice the glasses as much. Also once you see him in those glasses he looks remarkably like the ATM photo in Dunlops case. I think he had the glasses on then and people referred to them as googles..they aren't they are huge glasses that seem to look like googles. Take a look..what do you think? Even the structure of his face is more apparent in these photos and even with the masked tape mask..the structure looks the same.
Also in this tape he does mention his dog..but I couldn't quite mak out what he said.
http://tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080109/VIDEO/80109054

thanks for the link....i agree; much better quality..

[close_enough]

would u happen to have a link to the atm video

here's a picture underneath Cheryl's picture of a man at her ATM...it's been mentioned in articles that he's got on goggles..

http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200771211012

[Beyond Belief]

Thanks, I blew both links up and couldn't get anything beyond the glare on either pair. Definitely there, but not clear enough to see what type of goggles or glasses they are.

[Reannan]

I am curious as to what those papers were that he was rattling around when the officer first arrived.

[SuziQ]

(snip)
And Gary Michael Hilton, the 61-year-old man accused of killing Buford hiker Meredith Emerson and a suspect in the beating deaths of two other females, generally did not like women, his onetime landlord said.
"He was a weird character," said Chris C. Johnson, who rented a room to Hilton for several months in 1995 in the Marietta area. "I remember him referring to women very negatively. He kind of had a real bad, negative attitude against everyone. He really didn't like anyone ... women specifically."

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/12/hilton_0113.html

[Mygirlsadie]

Well Reannan you didn't know? He was conducting maneuvers! Those were his special high security clearance maneuver papers.. No really I believe it was a map of some sort...




I am curious as to what those papers were that he was rattling around when the officer first arrived.

[close_enough]

Go back and read his scenario.

1. Male
2. Water
3. trash bags
4. Car back
5. No money involved.

Where does this coincide with Hilton and other cases?!

i watched Body of Evidence last night, & Dayle Hinman (well known criminal profiler in FL) said that serial killers have been known to change their MO, to throw off LE....i thought this was interesting, & really makes the whole serial killer thing even more scary..

[MeoW333]

"He used to carry a gun because, he said, there's "a lot of crazy things going on in the world."

Link:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/12/hilton_0113.html

Is there anyway they can find out what type of gun it was? Levi Frady was shot.. maybe we can link him through more killings. He may have started off just shooting his victims.

Close Enough, you are right, their MO's evolve. Either as they get more secure in their killings, or to throw off LE.

[Pharlap]

"He used to carry a gun because, he said, there's "a lot of crazy things going on in the world."

Link:
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/12/hilton_0113.html

Is there anyway they can find out what type of gun it was? Levi Frady was shot.. maybe we can link him through more killings. He may have started off just shooting his victims.

Close Enough, you are right, their MO's evolve. Either as they get more secure in their killings, or to throw off LE.


I don't think all states you have to register a firearm.
New you have to in Illinois, used no...

[MeoW333]

I doubt he would have a legal gun. It would come down to if any witnesses saw him flaunting a gun (showing off to "friends" etc) and they remembered the make of it.

I was thinking that Hilton was seen at the spot were Meredith and Ella were hiking again Weds morning. He had to have been keeping her somewhere during that time. He probably came back to try and find his baton and sunglasses he lost prior while abducting Meredith. He didn't know they had been turned in. During that time he had to have been keeping Meredith somewhere. I wonder if he has a few choice cabins he squats at while in different areas.
If he threw out trash bags, sleeping bags, backpacks, i'm sure he must have keep some kind of souvenirs. I wonder if he has a cabin somewhere that he's hoarding more souvenirs at. It would be stupid of him to carry all of them around with him. Maybe what he threw out was from his latest spree. There has to be more killings before that and he's probably got items from those hoarded somewhere as well.

[southcitymom]

I have followed the Meredith Emerson case locally but not here on WS. I do believe that Hilton has been killing for years.

Can someone tell me - has any information been released as to why he kept Meredith alive for 3 days? Was she sexually assaulted? If not for sexual reason - any other theories?

[felder]

I have followed the Meredith Emerson case locally but not here on WS. I do believe that Hilton has been killing for years.

Can someone tell me - has any information been released as to why he kept Meredith alive for 3 days? Was she sexually assaulted? If not for sexual reason - any other theories?

Information regarding sexual assault has not been released yet.

My personal theory is that he kept his (recent) victims alive either long enough to ensure that the pin number they gave him was correct (since I believe he couldn't withdraw money from Meredith's account, my theory is that she was giving him the wrong number) or if the daily withdrawls were successful, the police would think the missing person was not really abducted and would not search for them. Because he couldn't access Meredith's account, this resulted in his urgently needing the money from his former girlfriend and/or Tabor.

My theory is that these recent abductions were for money, or at a minimum, he realized he could also profit from what he was already going to do.

[SuziQ]

I'll be intersted in knowing what the motive for keeping his victims alive for days. The below quote from AMW regarding Michael Scot Louis unhinges me. Where was he and who kept him alive for over a week?
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=51630

Who killed Michael and who mutilated his body? If he'd been missing since November 21, what transpired between then and December 6, when his remains were discovered?
Police say the time of death had been determined as 2-7 days before Michael's remains were found. That means there is a period of time where Michael may have been alive but unaccounted for. And investigators say his cell phone was active for some time after Michael was last seen. The mystery grew, and then another piece of the puzzle was discovered, adding more questions to the investigation.

[Mygirlsadie]

I read about Michael's story last week...he looked like such a nice kind hearted guy...breaks my heart.



I'll be intersted in knowing what the motive for keeping his victims alive for days. The below quote from AMW regarding Michael Scot Louis unhinges me. Where was he and who kept him alive for over a week?
http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=51630

Who killed Michael and who mutilated his body? If he'd been missing since November 21, what transpired between then and December 6, when his remains were discovered?
Police say the time of death had been determined as 2-7 days before Michael's remains were found. That means there is a period of time where Michael may have been alive but unaccounted for. And investigators say his cell phone was active for some time after Michael was last seen. The mystery grew, and then another piece of the puzzle was discovered, adding more questions to the investigation.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think it is possible that he keeps them alive to torture them slowly to build to his killing them...like foreplay. The pin number could come into play there, but he must have another reason for it as well. If he is as prolific a killer as we are guessing he is already at this point, the actual crime of killing doesn't give him the same thrill as before so he has to up the ante.

[FLMom]

Got a question. . . .

I know Hilton worked, but if this guy was a transient living that lifestyle, where did he get two vehicles? Anyone see anything where VIN numbers on the vans have been run?

[Pharlap]

Got a question. . . .

I know Hilton worked, but if this guy was a transient living that lifestyle, where did he get two vehicles? Anyone see anything where VIN numbers on the vans have been run?

Have no clue, but I would imagine they are older vehicles...

[Hank Scorpio]

Have no clue, but I would imagine they are older vehicles...

News reports have stated that the main vehicle he was driving was a 2001 Astro Van. I found it odd that he would have such a "new" vehicle. If you were to buy a 2001 astro van now going by a NADA price guide you would pay $5,0000 to $6000 depending on condition. I wonder where he came up with the money for that.

[Jeana (DP)]

I received this via email from a non-member and received permission to post it:


> Related to Meredith Emerson case and Gary Michael Hilton
> (please forgive me if any of this is redundant, but I haven't seen > specific postings about these items)
>
> 1. For people who don't live in/near Atlanta, it may help to know > that there is a large V.A. hospital located on Clairmont Rd in > Decatur GA (suburb of Atlanta) and on same street as GMH lived in > Tabor's house while working for siding company (at 4169 Clairmont > Rd.). This is most likely where he got his "medications" (Tabor > referenced him taking large doses of Ritalin (wonder why?)?in last > year and that GMH said he needed to stay on his medications as when > he stopped taking them the "demons came back"? (sounds much more > serious than A.D.D.)- He probably also has been seeing some > physicians or psychiatrists there, and may be on disability (receive > checks from Social Security or military which could help track him > by address they've been sent to)
>
> 2. Other "Veteran"/ Military thoughts - Is the land where Emerson's > body was found really former military/Lockheed property? (seem to > have heard that it was area for testing nuclear powered aircraft or > something) Ifso, could be way that he knew the land so well (said in > police officer videocam that he had camped there 20 yrs ago and had > maps of it) - Could have gotten to know this land when/if he was in > the military. Also, besides references to post by?"star gazing" > father/son having bad encounter with him near Rome, GA small airport > last year (or year before) - important to remember that small > Peachtree Dekalb Airport is also on Clairmont just a couple blocks > from where he lived at 4169 Clairmont. Does he hang out here, do > paratrooping, skydiving, talk to workers there?
>
> 3. Also, my chiropractor's office is right near 4169 Clairmont and > have heard from a woman in the neighborhood that GMH tried to get > her to help him when she was walking her dog) - He pretended to be > BLIND - makes sense, he probably used that expandable baton and made > it look like a blind person's cane. She almost was tricked into > believing him, but later saw him DRIVING his white van. Could he > have tried to trick other people like elderly hikers in NC by > pretending to be blind?
>
> 4. Interesting in police officer's videocam (from when officer was > telling him to leave the private camping/hunting area) - that GMH > randomly?starts telling a story about?"3 months ago" having a > "run-in" (hard to hear in some parts) with the law in Dekalb County > (says I live in Chamblee, city of) - and that someone called the law > on him due to him "walking in circles" with his dog - He also > mentions that Dekalb North showed up and that he "knows the officers > there" - and something about "I had Multiple Sclerosis at the time" > - He also mentions something about his backpacks and his "red pack" > - or wearing that pack - have a big one (backpack?). Seems his dog > was in the van as referencing/sort of pointing toward the van is > when he brings up the whole story about someone calling the law when > he was walking his dog.
>
> 5. HEADLAMP???? The guy who called 911 while seeing GMH at Chevron > on Ashford Dunwoody cleaning out his van (one who stayed on phone > the longest with 911) says GMH was wearing a headlamp (like > spelunkers/cavers use). Obviously lots of hikers wear headlamps, but > seems like one of those ATM pictures, or some other picture of GMH, > also shows him wearing this headlamp. Other women reporting > problems with GMH in the past at Murphy Candler park, etc. talk > about him wearing a headlamp. Does anyone else remember pictures of > him wearing a headlamp? Perhaps he forgot to take it off other > times and may appear in pictures, such as at ATMs, wearing a > headlamp (which could help tie him to certain places, along with > the beanie cap, big glasses, and yellow jacket)
>
> Hope this gets to the right people and can help tie together more > pieces of this terrible puzzle.
> Thanks - I'll try again to join your Websleuths group when server > issues are better.
>

[Pharlap]

Tks Jeana:blowkiss:

[angelwngs]

News reports have stated that the main vehicle he was driving was a 2001 Astro Van. I found it odd that he would have such a "new" vehicle. If you were to buy a 2001 astro van now going by a NADA price guide you would pay $5,0000 to $6000 depending on condition. I wonder where he came up with the money for that.

Could it be possible that he is a veteran and collecting some form of check from the government?

[FLMom]

News reports have stated that the main vehicle he was driving was a 2001 Astro Van. I found it odd that he would have such a "new" vehicle. If you were to buy a 2001 astro van now going by a NADA price guide you would pay $5,0000 to $6000 depending on condition. I wonder where he came up with the money for that.

Reason I wondered is that I found a lady missing in GA that drove a 1989 Astro Van. I wonder what the other van's make and year were.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/earl_jasmine.html

[FLMom]

Thanks for posting the message Jeana! :)

[southcitymom]

Information regarding sexual assault has not been released yet.

My personal theory is that he kept his (recent) victims alive either long enough to ensure that the pin number they gave him was correct (since I believe he couldn't withdraw money from Meredith's account, my theory is that she was giving him the wrong number) or if the daily withdrawls were successful, the police would think the missing person was not really abducted and would not search for them. Because he couldn't access Meredith's account, this resulted in his urgently needing the money from his former girlfriend and/or Tabor.

My theory is that these recent abductions were for money, or at a minimum, he realized he could also profit from what he was already going to do.

Thank you, felder. Your theories make sense - I was thinking along those lines as well because it seems like money was what he was after.

[Hank Scorpio]

Could it be possible that he is a veteran and collecting some form of check from the government?

Its very possible, but it certainly rules out the motive of money then. In my opinion its more likely that it was bought with cash he got from his crimes....unless its not really his van.

I would hope one of the first things LE did was run the VINS's on his vans and crosscheck them against any vans reported stolen, or missing from unsolved murders.

[Blondieskatz]

Do you really think it was money he was after initially? I mean how much money would a college student have in the bank? Most of the collegekids I know are constantly asking there parents for money, I remember when our kids did the same, they never had money.

Maybe it was all about power over the victims and the money was just an extra. man what a sicko!

[SuziQ]

Below is a comment from Steve's site, Truecrimeweblog.com, regarding BMH receiving benefits. No confirmation though, that GMG was receiving benefits:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/truecrimeweblog/8599761278446789725/

SSI benefits were $623 mo (last year).

If Hilton was receiving VA & SSI, his total mo income could've been over $1000.

That's alot of $$ for someone who is not paying rent assuming he had no car pymts.

Plus the VA has free medical care (no dental). There is a co-pay for Rx depending on income & assets.
01.13.08 - 5:47 pm

[DixiePeach]

North Carolina, Florida Investigators To Interview Hilton


ATLANTA -- Channel 2 has learned investigators from Florida and North Carolina are meeting in Georgia, preparing to question Gary Michael Hilton about murders in their states. Those investigators are asking for a chance to sit down face-to-face with Hilton. Channel 2 has also learned new information about the evidence police are using to build a case against Hilton in the murder of two North Carolina hikers.

<snipped>

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15048377/detail.html

[DixiePeach]

Video: NC, Florida Officials To Interview Hilton (http://mfile.akamai.com/12949/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2008/0114/15048521.200k.asx)

[SuziQ]

Dixie, thanks for the links. From that article:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15048377/detail.html

Two of the 911 callers who helped capture Hilton eventually called in a tag to dispatchers. Both said it was from North Carolina. Sources there confirm it was stolen off a broken down van in Transylvania County

The sheriff in North Carolina tells Channel 2 he is very interested in the bags and boxes of evidence found in the gas station dumpsters in and around Hilton’s van to see if it links back to the Bryant case.

[SuziQ]

Link found from a comment at Truecrimeweblog:
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080114/NEWS01/801140319/-1/RSS18


A DeKalb County police report on a 2004 incident indicates a violent past for Gary Michael Hilton, 61, the man who was arrested in connection with the death of a Georgia hiker and who has been named a prime suspect in the killing of Crawfordville resident Cheryl Dunlap. This is what happened, according to the report: (more at link)

[indigomood]

Thanks for the post Jeana,

Very interesting and insightful. I never gave the blind ruse a thought. Seems plausible now given the expandable baton/walking stick.

[MCDRAW]

Link found from a comment at Truecrimeweblog:
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080114/NEWS01/801140319/-1/RSS18


A DeKalb County police report on a 2004 incident indicates a violent past for Gary Michael Hilton, 61, the man who was arrested in connection with the death of a Georgia hiker and who has been named a prime suspect in the killing of Crawfordville resident Cheryl Dunlap. This is what happened, according to the report: (more at link)


Why would someone press charges over seeing someone beat a dog, but refuse to press charges for someone trying to run over his wife?

[gardenmom]

Thanks for the post Jeana,

Very interesting and insightful. I never gave the blind ruse a thought. Seems plausible now given the expandable baton/walking stick.

Here is a pic of an expandable police baton: http://www.safecity.nsw.edu.au/aspchrlar.jpg Available in 16, 21, 26, 31 inches

[gardenmom]

Why would someone press charges over seeing someone beat a dog, but refuse to press charges for someone trying to run over his wife?

Good question. I thougth the article was a little confusing.

[SuziQ]

http://www.wlos.com/newsroom/nc/topstory/topstory1.shtml

(snip)
Sheriff David Mahoney tells us the tag was stolen from a broken down car. He thinks Hilton may have used it to fool authorities.
"It's my understanding that the North Carolina registration plate was valid and certainly one could argue that that one was used to throw law enforcement in another direction instead of Mister Hilton," said Sheriff Mahoney.
The owner of the car, Andrea Steinhable, did not know the tag was missing at the time and faces no charges. Hilton is a suspect in the Bryant case and at least two other unsolved murders.

[Pharlap]

Why would someone press charges over seeing someone beat a dog, but refuse to press charges for someone trying to run over his wife?

So much on Hilton liking dogs.:eek: Beats me why he didn't..:waitasec:

[SuziQ]

Very good question.

[JinxieJada]

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15051665/detail.html

snip - (the article references Steve as her bf which I've seen disputed..)

ATLANTA -- The Indigo Girls are raising money for an animal charity in memory of murdered hiker Meredith Emerson.The Atlanta-based duo is auctioning off a signed copy of the lyrics to their song "The Power of Two" on eBay at ebay.com/Indigo-Girls-autographed-lyrics. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Indigo-Girls-autographed-lyrics_W0QQitemZ120209306318QQihZ002QQcategoryZ860 05QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)Band members Amy Ray and Emily Saliers said the proceeds from the auction will go to PAWS Atlanta, a no-kill animal shelter.Emerson's lab-mix Ella was with her on a hike when she was abducted and killed.Steve Segars, Emerson's boyfriend, has talked about how the two listened frequently to the Indigo Girls and particularly enjoyed "The Power of Two."By Tuesday morning the auction had garnered 52 bids and was up to $2,950.

[JinxieJada]

This woman is truly amazing!


Some quotes mentioned about her at her memorial -


http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/2592/

“Meredith’s light is reflected by you today, and the light outshines the darkness,” her mother, Susan Emerson, told the gathering. “The darkness doesn’t deserve our time or energy.”

Cousin Jason Emerson read from a poem written by Emerson at age 14, prefacing it by saying, “I don’t think she would want us to be permanently bitter about what happened. She would want us to see the light in the darkness.

“Meredith’s love shines down on you today.”

“Meredith died so that others could live"



There's more details at the link above -

She truly has become one of the worlds angels. Tragic, that she had to become one before she should have. JJ

[dark_shadows]

I am wondering if there is a link between Hilton and Godfrey or if Hilton was here at the time that Patty was murdered.
Any thoughts on this?

This was from my news today about the murder trial of Patty Scoville here in Vermont.

Part of the article;
DeWolfe also questioned whether Merriam and his team followed up on reports of a green car, a white car with out-of-state plates, or a Volkswagen van seen near Moss Glen Falls at about the time of the attack.

Click here for link; Murder trial focuses on timing of death (http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080115/NEWS02/801150320/1007)

Vermont State Police link for Patty;
Click here for link (http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/homicide/scoville.html)

Websleuths thread;
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1786910#post1786910


Respectfully,
dark_shadows

[DixiePeach]

Video: Andrea Steinhable Speaks About Her License Plate (http://mfile.akamai.com/12949/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2008/0115/15056956.200k.asx)

[JinxieJada]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=109598

snip -


A hike in memory of Meredith Emerson is being held on Sunday morning at 10 at Meeks Park in Blairsville.

The hike was originally going to be at Blood Mountain, but was moved due to the overwhelming response to the hike.

Experts will be on hand to discuss trail safety. There will also be a Cherokee Smudging Ceremony in memory of Meredith at the event.

For more information, call Mountain Crossings at 706-835-6352 or check online at MountainCrossings.com (http://www.mountaincrossings.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=17).


Quote from MountainCrossings.com


“A comrade has fallen, and a trail angel has risen…. one whose gentle kind spirit will endure the passing of time forever.
Today this angel dances along a path of peace and joy forever watching over those who simply want to walk… who simply want to live.”
Billy B. Bumblefoot.

[SuziQ]

Investigators in three separate murder cases held a summit at the GBI's Cleveland office on Tuesday. Investigators from North Carolina and Florida were comparing their murder cases with the murder of Meredith Emerson in Georgia. Gary Michael Hilton is a suspect in all three cases. (more at link)

http://www.wxia.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=109573

[SuziQ]

Wow, lots of good info at the below link I lifted from a comment at:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/truecrimeweblog/8599761278446789725/

States where Hilton was born, who his parents were, Divorces (he was married to a LE officer!), etc. etc.
http://insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=1174

[SuziQ]

The Transylvania County Sheriff's Office has scheduled a news conference in the John and Irene Bryant case.
It will be held Wednesday, January 16, at 2:00pm.

http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/...1-15-0033.html (http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-01-15-0033.html)

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow, lots of good info at the below link I lifted from a comment at:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/truecrimeweblog/8599761278446789725/

States where Hilton was born, who his parents were, Divorces (he was married to a LE officer!), etc. etc.
http://insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=1174 Those are GREAT finds, Suzi!!! The timeline does help to establish a bit where he was at different times...but we do know he could have traveled a lot during the end of 1995 until much later!! I wish we could narrow down exactly where he decided to roam.

[SuziQ]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=109617
(snipped)
It was the night GBI agents caught up with suspected kidnapper Gary Hilton while he was cleaning out his cluttered van that they filed a just-released search warrant, hoping to find something inside the van to link him to Emerson's disappearance.

The GBI already has said several people saw Hilton and Emerson talking on the trail, and reported that he was carrying a police-style baton.

In the warrant, the GBI said that other witnesses said they saw Hilton "hiding and crouching behind objects on the trail."

[gardenmom]

Video: Andrea Steinhable Speaks About Her License Plate (http://mfile.akamai.com/12949/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2008/0115/15056956.200k.asx)

I wonder why they didn't get to interview Hilton yesterday. He is probably waiting for another deal and they are not going to give it to him this time.:clap:

[SuziQ]

Hilton was at store near where Cheryls car went missing (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/16/florida_0117.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab)
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/01/16/florida_0117.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

(snip)
"I was always cautious. Now I'm scared," said Le Ann McKenzie, a cashier at Glenda's, a convenience store in Wakula. Dunlap's Toyota Camry was found, with a flat tire, on Dec. 3 just a mile north of the store. A bevy of flowers surrounding a smiling photo of Dunlap remain at the scene.
"I'll feel better when someone talks to him and finds out what he's done," McKenzie said.
Mayfield said she met Hilton on Dec. 10 at Glenda's. Her account is consistent with some of the other people who've encountered the drifter and former subcontractor over the years.
"He was trying to use the pay phone but couldn't get it to work," she said. "I noticed he had a dog. Now I'm a dog lover, so we started talking about his dog. He said, 'That's my buddy.' "
"He was kind of hunched over, really harmless looking," Mayfield said. "He didn't spook me, he didn't scare me, he didn't creep me out. It was like I was talking to my dad."
She saw his white van, the same one spotted when Hilton allegedly abducted and later murdered Emerson. Mayfield said she assumed he was assisting in the search for Dunlap, which lasted for nearly two weeks.
"I remember we commented on how nice it was that that old guy was helping look for Cheryl," she said.

[SuziQ]

Van search warrant:
http://www.11alive.com/news/graphics/hilton_warrant.pdf

[panglossian]

Now, who is Shawn Stewart?

[Pure Maple Syrup]

Now, who is Shawn Stewart?I saw that too. What about all the media claims over the past week that Hilton "called an ex-girlfriend" from the Quik Trip? And that she told him "why are you calling me, every law enforcment officer in the state is looking for you"?
Cite: http://www.mynews.in/fullstory.aspx?passfrom=enterprisestory&storyid=1800
Now suddenly it was a male friend he called? What?

[indigomood]

The Transylvania County Sheriff's Office has scheduled a news conference in the John and Irene Bryant case.
It will be held Wednesday, January 16, at 2:00pm.

http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/...1-15-0033.html (http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-01-15-0033.html)


Thanks for posting this Suzi! :)

[indigomood]

I saw that too. What about all the media claims over the past week that Hilton "called an ex-girlfriend" from the Quik Trip? And that she told him "why are you calling me, every law enforcment officer in the state is looking for you"?
Cite: http://www.mynews.in/fullstory.aspx?passfrom=enterprisestory&storyid=1800
Now suddenly it was a male friend he called? What?

Is it confirmed that this was a male? I'm having trouble keeping up with all the links. :)

Reason I ask, is that I have two friends that are female and their names are Shawn. I agree it is typically a name associated with males but can be both male or female (not unlike Morgan, Courtney, Lee and others). Just thinking out loud :)

PS - Welcome to Websleuths!

[SuziQ]

Thanks for posting this Suzi! :)

I was looking for it all morning and found it at Huff's. A commenter there deserves the credit. Thank you commenters at Truecrimeweblog.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/truecrimeweblog/8599761278446789725/?a=39551

[SuziQ]

Is it confirmed that this was a male? I'm having trouble keeping up with all the links. :)

Reason I ask, is that I have two friends that are female and their names are Shawn. I agree it is typically a name associated with males but can be both male or female (not unlike Morgan, Courtney, Lee and others). Just thinking out loud :)

Does anyone remember the name of the ex-gf? I'm thinking it wasn't Shawn, but who knows?

[indigomood]

Does anyone remember the name of the ex-gf? I'm thinking it wasn't Shawn, but who knows?

No, I don't recall unfortunately. I'm not sure I saw it printed :confused:

[drumstick]

In that link ....


"Hilton has already been charged in the murder of Georgia hiker Meredith Emerson, and in the death of Florida mother Cheryl Dunlap."

~

[Pure Maple Syrup]

Is it confirmed that this was a male? I'm having trouble keeping up with all the links. :)

Reason I ask, is that I have two friends that are female and their names are Shawn. I agree it is typically a name associated with males but can be both male or female (not unlike Morgan, Courtney, Lee and others). Just thinking out loud :)

Okay, maybe you're right. I personally have never heard of a woman called "Shawn". Shauna maybe, but not Shawn. Now I know.

PS - Welcome to Websleuths!
Thanks! Glad to be here.

[Pure Maple Syrup]

In that link ....
"Hilton has already been charged in the murder of Georgia hiker Meredith Emerson, and in the death of Florida mother Cheryl Dunlap."
~He's actually been charged with Dunlap's murder? Last I heard, they said they had all the evidence they needed to charge him but weren't going to file yet. Could be a statute of limitations thing, that if they charge him, they only have x-amount of time to indict, which might require him to be extradited from GA, which would hurt GA's cases...

[SuziQ]

I'm not finding a link to the NC presser. It's 10 minutes away.

[DixiePeach]

GBI seeking Hilton's abandoned van

Call with information
The GBI asks anyone with information about the whereabouts of Hilton's old van to call 888- 233-5680.

By Stephen Gurr

UPDATED Jan. 16, 2008 6:16 p.m.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is looking for Gary Hilton's old van, which was broken down and abandoned in National Forest land in White County for two years but may still contain evidence in the suspected serial killer's case.

GBI Spokesman John Bankhead said the van, a white 1996 Chevy Astro van bearing Georgia tag 766 XPZ, was abandoned in the Tray Mountain area of White County at the end of Forest Service Road 690, also known as Hickory Nut Ridge Road, up until sometime in mid-December.

A citation for leaving the abandoned vehicle in U.S. Forestry Service land was written by the U.S. Forest Service in 2005, Bankhead said. It had not been moved since the citation was written until about a month ago when a hunter noticed it was gone, Bankhead said.

The van was not drivable. Authorities believe someone, probably not Hilton, had the van towed and may have salvaged it for scrap. What evidence it might contain, if any, remains unknown.

Investigators were uncertain whether Hilton went to the abandoned van much in the two years since it was left in the heavily wooded area.

<snipped>

http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/2709/

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, so now they think someone conveniently stole the van for scrap! That is happening all over unfortunately. It is a blow for the investigation tho.

[SuziQ]

Well now we have a answer to what happened to the second van. Sheesh.

[DeltaDawn]

EEEW..Can you imagine being the person who took it for scrap and now find it might have been used in other murders by this guy...yuck! Serves the person right for taking what wasn't theirs.

[Pure Maple Syrup]

EEEW..Can you imagine being the person who took it for scrap and now find it might have been used in other murders by this guy...yuck! Serves the person right for taking what wasn't theirs.
I think it's more likely that Hilton sold it to some dude for $20 or so, urging them to haul it out and sell it for parts. That way he gets someone else to get rid of it for him.

Astrovans are not common, parts are hard to get. If he ran into someone in his travels who was a mechanic/parts dealter, you could see that happening. Sign over the title, van gets gone. Poof.

My guess is that it's sitting at a junkyard within 20 miles of Tray Mountain...

[Pure Maple Syrup]

First, I apologize if anyone is offended by this question, but this IS a crime-based discussion group and my question is relevant, if unavoidably and depressingly grisly.

How did they know she was already deceased when she was decapitated? Lack of bruising on the neck tissues? No inhaled blood in the lungs? Something else?

This statement has been taken as fact, but how do they/we know for sure? It would change everything in the way his MO was studied if he killed them BY decapitation, rather than did the deed afterwards. Very different mindsets.

[southcitymom]

First, I apologize if anyone is offended by this question, but this IS a crime-based discussion group and my question is relevant, if unavoidably and depressingly grisly.

How did they know she was already deceased when she was decapitated? Lack of bruising on the neck tissues? No inhaled blood in the lungs? Something else?

This statement has been taken as fact, but how do they/we know for sure? It would change everything in the way his MO was studied if he killed them BY decapitation, rather than did the deed afterwards. Very different mindsets.

I'm not very scientific but am certain that the skin behaves differently if a person is decaptitated post-mortem as opposed to while alive.

While I doubt LE will explain this scientifically in a news release, I am willing to accept that the people who examined Meredith's remains know what they are talking about when they say this happened after she was killed.

It seems like Hilton decapitated victims to keep them from being identified easily.

[Pure Maple Syrup]

I'm not very scientific but am certain that the skin behaves differently if a person is decaptitated post-mortem as opposed to while alive.

While I doubt LE will explain this scientifically in a news release, I am willing to accept that the people who examined Meredith's remains know what they are talking about when they say this happened after she was killed.

It seems like Hilton decapitated victims to keep them from being identified easily.
Thanks, and your points are well taken.

A few days ago, there was a flurry of info all over the web claiming that the head of this victim was "propped up on a tree stump" in an area of the Dawson Forest a mile or so from where the torso was found. The intent of the killer was obviously to shock whoever finds the decapitated head.

Other than the sheriff's office confirming that her remains were, in fact, found at two different locations in the Dawson forest, is there any confirmation of this? I am not asking this to be morbid, this goes to the heart of the killer's mindset. A killer beheading her to avoid having her remains identified would not do this.

[SteveHuff]

I hope everyone reads this post (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58653) elsewhere in the forum by Jeana. It's something we should all remember when learning about cases like this.

Steve

[SeriouslySearching]

I hope everyone reads this post (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58653) elsewhere in the forum by Jeana. It's something we should all remember when learning about cases like this.

SteveThanks for the reminder, Steve.

[SeriouslySearching]

EEEW..Can you imagine being the person who took it for scrap and now find it might have been used in other murders by this guy...yuck! Serves the person right for taking what wasn't theirs.The people who steal abandoned vehicles aren't usually the type to care. They are basically the same people who will take the copper out of your air conditioning unit during a heatwave, a vehicle out of your driveway, or other low level crimes of opportunity. Scrap yards here don't require a title before crushing a car, but new regulations are in place where the people selling them have to show proper ID and records are being kept where they were not before.

[drumstick]

I would hope they have publicly offered immunity to whoever took this important piece of evidence.
It could be a someone known to a park worker. ??

~

[gardenmom]

GBI seeking Hilton's abandoned van

Call with information
The GBI asks anyone with information about the whereabouts of Hilton's old van to call 888- 233-5680.

By Stephen Gurr

UPDATED Jan. 16, 2008 6:16 p.m.
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is looking for Gary Hilton's old van, which was broken down and abandoned in National Forest land in White County for two years but may still contain evidence in the suspected serial killer's case.

GBI Spokesman John Bankhead said the van, a white 1996 Chevy Astro van bearing Georgia tag 766 XPZ, was abandoned in the Tray Mountain area of White County at the end of Forest Service Road 690, also known as Hickory Nut Ridge Road, up until sometime in mid-December.

A citation for leaving the abandoned vehicle in U.S. Forestry Service land was written by the U.S. Forest Service in 2005, Bankhead said. It had not been moved since the citation was written until about a month ago when a hunter noticed it was gone, Bankhead said.

The van was not drivable. Authorities believe someone, probably not Hilton, had the van towed and may have salvaged it for scrap. What evidence it might contain, if any, remains unknown.

Investigators were uncertain whether Hilton went to the abandoned van much in the two years since it was left in the heavily wooded area.

<snipped>

http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/2709/

Ha! I speculated awhile back that the abandoned property may have been his van, and everyone thought I was wrong. I like being right once in awhile. Hey, where the "patting myself on the back smiley?"

[hprofits]

ATLANTA -- Police on Friday found a second white van belonging to murder suspect Gary Hilton that had been missing.After seeing a television report on the van the operator of a vehicle storage yard in Habersham County called the GBI and said the van had been in his facility since it was towed there.


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15086686/detail.html

[Taximom]

Ha! I speculated awhile back that the abandoned property may have been his van, and everyone thought I was wrong. I like being right once in awhile. Hey, where the "patting myself on the back smiley?"

Good job, gardenmom!

Will this do?
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_201.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)

[gardenmom]

Good job, gardenmom!

Will this do?
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_201.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)

Yes, thank you!:blowkiss:

[gardenmom]

ATLANTA -- Police on Friday found a second white van belonging to murder suspect Gary Hilton that had been missing.After seeing a television report on the van the operator of a vehicle storage yard in Habersham County called the GBI and said the van had been in his facility since it was towed there.


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/15086686/detail.html

Thanks for the link. I am happy they were able to find the van. I hope they find something that links him to some other crimes he is associated with.

[SuziQ]

Thanks for the link. I am happy they were able to find the van. I hope they find something that links him to some other crimes he is associated with.

Same here, thanks for posting that.

[gardenmom]

Over $26,000 donated so far to the Longmont Colorado humane society in Meredith's name.

http://www.firstgiving.com/meredithemerson?pid=384935&page=2#donationtable

[SeriouslySearching]

That is great about the donations! It is exactly what Meredith would have wanted. (sigh) What a lovely person she seemed to be. I wish we had all been given the chance to know her. My heart just breaks for her family.

[SuziQ]

I've posted an updated timeline here

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1933037&posted=1#post1933037

[eachandevery]

It's so sad that such a bright light was snuffed out by such a horrible, horrible man. It's all so senseless and it just makes me so angry that I, and women in general, cannot go about my business and enjoy life without worrying about trash like Hilton. While I am not a particularly religious person, I do pray that Meredith is in a better place and that having Ella brings her family some semblance of peace.

[Native New Yorker]

http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/news/article/3051/

[panglossian]

Thank you for those links SuziQ and Native New Yorker!

[Native New Yorker]

you are most welcome! I hope and pray that things go well at today's hearing so that Meredith's family can be spared any more agony...

[Blondieskatz]

IMO, he should only be allowed to plead guilty. Afterall, he did lead them to her body!

[Woofie]

PLEADS GUILTY!! YEAH!

http://www.cbs46.com/news/15183663/detail.html

[panglossian]

He abducted her for money, absolutely greedy and probably a pattern.
Not surprised.
What sickens me is he told her he would let her go and then killed her.

[JinxieJada]

I'm glad he's been charged, and sentenced to LWOP BUT - I'm absolutely disheartened to know that she was abducted and lost her life over money. I'm sick of people working hard for what they have, for some low life loser, to attempt to take it away from them...GRRRRRRRRRRRr:furious:

[Native New Yorker]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article...?storyid=110457 (http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=110457)

[panglossian]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article...?storyid=110457 (http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=110457)
Oh, Native New Yorker, it was so sad and difficult reading that link. I feel so much sadness for her parents.

[Native New Yorker]

Me too, I am just so, so sad about all of this.....but at least her parents will be spared a long and drawn out trial with awful details
...also, it is more likely that she was not sexually abused ( I am hoping) since **all** he wanted was money...
but the poor thing, I will just never forget about her, and how she suffered...

[Truly]

I love Meredith's mom. No wonder Meredith was such a bright beam of light to all. She completely dismissed Hilton as 'a bully and weak-minded coward, a pathetic shell of a man', and displayed such hope and fortitude and love for Meredith, saying, 'She is shining stronger and brighter than ever'. I wish all parents would hold their children in such a light as this family will always hold Meredith.

[indigomood]

Me too, I am just so, so sad about all of this.....but at least her parents will be spared a long and drawn out trial with awful details
...also, it is more likely that she was not sexually abused ( I am hoping) since **all** he wanted was money...
but the poor thing, I will just never forget about her, and how she suffered...
it's probably just me NNY, but I have a hard time entertaining the notion that he held her for three days and didn't engage in improprieties with her. I would be surprised if that were the case. I hope that is the case.

While his initial motive may have been for money, I've read reports where it is noted that Meredith allegedly gave GMH erroneous pin numbers to access her ATM. If true, this most likely enraged him and I shudder to imagine how she may have been punished by him (in the interim preceding her death).

[Native New Yorker]

You are right, Indigo, I am sure that poor Meredith suffered unimaginably...for certain she was cold, and probably had no food...
in no way was I trying to minimize this.....
and I am sure that he hurt her more when the PIN # was wrong...
but at least, his motive in kidnapping was not just to maim and torture ( I hope) he was not a Ted Bundy, but it seems ( as horrific as it is) that his means of living was KILLING the defenseless and stealing from them!!
Though it makes no sense to me, as he would have had Veterans $$$

I cannot imagine how awful it must be to bury a child who has been preyed upon by someone like GMH.......

[indigomood]

You are right, Indigo, I am sure that poor Meredith suffered unimaginably...for certain she was cold, and probably had no food...
in no way was I trying to minimize this.....
and I am sure that he hurt her more when the PIN # was wrong...
but at least, his motive in kidnapping was not just to maim and torture ( I hope) he was not a Ted Bundy, but it seems ( as horrific as it is) that his means of living was KILLING the defenseless and stealing from them!!
Though it makes no sense to me, as he would have had Veterans $$$

I cannot imagine how awful it must be to bury a child who has been preyed upon by someone like GMH.......
I never thought you were minimizing it at all NNY :blowkiss:
I totally agree with you.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59622 Here is a thread to discuss the hearing and the first sentence. There will hopefully be many more to come and keeping them straight might be a good idea.

[concernedperson]

This is one of those damned if you do and damned if you don't articles. But, it does show the compassion of GBI agent Cagle. Also, how Meredith's family feels about GBI involvement. The people I have met with GBI are so compassionate but I know all bureaus have their faults, failures etc. I just don't see it as negligence but what to do at the time. Such a hard thing to decide what is right when a life is at the balance.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/03/01/cagle_0302.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

[Native New Yorker]

Wow, that is such a sad article, and you know that Cagle will be haunted by this for the rest of his life.
I agree that it is not incompetence,but just human imperfections and foibles.Hindsight is always 20/20.
I also agree that Hilton is evil, and just can imagine what PRIDE he took in recounting what transpired with poor Meredith over the last awful three days of her life....

[panglossian]

Was it ever revealed how exactly Hilton was able to get control of Meredith on the trail?

[concernedperson]

Warning this is graphic telling of how Hilton captured and subdued Meredith. Terribly upsetting to read. Meredith was a hero.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/03/22/hilton_0323.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

[Native New Yorker]

Just absolutely heart breaking to read this account....all of the worst case scenarios any of us had considered, from rape to being beaten, freezing cold....what a monster!!!!

[Native New Yorker]

Thanks for posting this, CP....I just found it myself on AJC.

[concernedperson]

Thanks for posting this, CP....I just found it myself on AJC.

I have cried so many tears over this terrible account. He is a beast. Her strength should never be forgotten. As awful as it was she is God's angel. We have to believe that or we are forever doomed to this behavior.

Meredith Emerson, thank you for being you. Thank you for trying and know that you are in our hearts. For trying and not giving into this beast but doing what you could. To her parents, God give you the strength in the upcoming months. Your daughter was the best and you are too. I am so sorry for your loss.

[panglossian]

Warning this is graphic telling of how Hilton captured and subdued Meredith. Terribly upsetting to read. Meredith was a hero.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/03/22/hilton_0323.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab
Thank you concernedperson for posting this link. I had pictured it coming to blows rather than a pellet gun or use of Ella. As a hiker I needed to know.

I am confused about a previous story which it was stated he left Ella in Meredith's car, only going back for her at Meredith's insistence. That seems to be left out of this timeline.

[Native New Yorker]

That part ( about Ella) could still fit. He subdued Meredith, by viciously beating her, tied her hands, put her in his van, put Ella in Meredith's car, and prepared to leave.
Then Meredith would have pleaded with him, told him that Ella would die alone in her car. Hilton would have relented for the sake of the dog....no such compassion for humans, though.

[ThoughtFox]

I saw this new story just now and had to come here and post this part of it. I had debated earlier that Gary loved dogs but he didn't love humans, since he let the dog free in a parking lot where someone would adopt him, but he decapitated a young woman.

Some had argued that the dog must have just run away from him, but that's not the case. He let the dog live on purpose.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23769881/

Hilton said he couldn't bring himself to kill Emerson's dog. When Bridges asked if Hilton had the same equivocations about Emerson, Hilton described the experience as "surreal."

"It was hard," Hilton told the investigator. "You gotta remember we had spent several good days together."



So even though he spent days with this woman, and respected her as a fighter, he didn't mind killing her, but he let the dog run free. :furious: "Surreal" or not, he made a clear choice of animals over human beings.

[Native New Yorker]

Yes, this is the story we have all been talking about....the AJC put it online yesterday.
He did indeed value the life of a dog over that of a human.
As for those 'good days " he spent with Meredith, the last days of her life...I do not think that anyone could ever, ever describe them as good. Just totally sick.....

[ember]

He did indeed value the life of a dog over that of a human.



So did Hitler. He cried for days over the death of his dog and was a vegetarian because he loved animals so much....but could kill human beings without blinking an eye. Crazy how some people are wired.


So the POS raped Meredith... :furious: Her poor family. I don't know how they can keep from going crazy knowing all of the details and how many times LE were within range and she was still alive. I am so insulted that the POS actually waved at LE on his way to kill her. Unreal. :mad:

Do we know if he raped any other victims? Is that part of his MO?
Sorry if that has already been answered...tia

[Karsky]

I just read this today, what a vile excuse of a human Hilton is! What truly blows my mind is how he told Meredith that she was going home, giving her a sense of false hope, and then he killed her anyway. This is so evil, and mean spirited! However, I am sadly not surprised that Hilton raped her, and had suspected as much, as Hilton strikes me as a total control freak. LE hadn't disclosed this before, but in one article, I seem to recall that they had said something to the effect that they could file "over a dozen charges" in Meredith's case. I have to say, I'm truly horrified and can't believe the offhanded callousness Hilton has displayed in describing Meredith's last days. Hilton has truly descended to a pathetic waste, and I so feel for Meredith, her family and friends, and her beloved Ella. :furious:

[sweetmop]

I just saw this, OMG! It's just exactly as what all of us had speculated earler. That poor sweet girl. The horror she endured at this pig's hands!:furious:

This vile pos is a poor excuse for a human.
I say that LE should play just as nasty and dirty as he plays.
"What are you talking about, Gary?" "We never made any deal with you."

In his (Hilton's) talking about the crime and what he did to Meredith, I imagine he derived great pleasure from telling his story, really got off on it. His words are that of a sociopathic, psychopath, vile monster!Typical.

He should die a long painful torturous death! :furious:
Why are there such scum alive on this earth???

[Native New Yorker]

Just sickening, scroll down to BOTTOM of the page for the actual awful transcript of Hilton's interview en route to show LE where the body was:http://www.wspa.com/midatlantic/spa/news.apx.-content-articles-SPA-2008-03-25-0003.html

[Native New Yorker]

Quote from the GBI transcript:

"EAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. IT'S BEEN TRYING FOR YOU. I'M SURE THESE CASES ARE EMOTIONALLY WRENCHING. CB: YEAH.
GMH: FOR YOU.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: BUT, THAT'S YOUR DAMN JOB. (LAUGHS) SO . .

[concernedperson]

Quote from the GBI transcript:

"EAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW. IT'S BEEN TRYING FOR YOU. I'M SURE THESE CASES ARE EMOTIONALLY WRENCHING. CB: YEAH.
GMH: FOR YOU.
CB: YEAH.
GMH: BUT, THAT'S YOUR DAMN JOB. (LAUGHS) SO . .

Hilton is a beast.

[Truly]

I just read this entire transcript and can barely breathe.

I have never seen something like this published; I wonder if it is even real.

Her parents. I cannot even imagine them reading this.

He certainly knew every back road in North Georgia. He apparently did know all the details about expensive hiking equipment. He also must have come from a wealthy family originally, just a guess based on his description of kitchen knives and his utter arrogance acting like he is the one in charge, even when he talks to the investigators. And at one point, he said 'we' instead of 'I' which makes me wonder if there were others involved. He has a serious stutter, at least in the printed transcript.

I am going to try and sleep. What a disturbing thing to read.
Here is the transcript from cnn, as it has the page numbers on it.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/03/25/hilton.transcript.pdf

I am glad that she said how beautiful the creek and the woods were. I believe she must have attained a state of pure peace. Rest in peace, sweet Meredith.

[Mygirlsadie]

This man is absolutely sick. I wonder what kind of mental disorder causes someone to do this? Seriously...it has to be something. Normal human beings cannot do this type of horrible disgusting thing. Oh how I pray her parents never read this transcript. What a dirty rotten b*stard. :furious:

[ThoughtFox]

Reading and hearing about this case has made me feel so differently towards wilderness places - I'm so wary now! Over spring break we went to the Smokies and then took the Foothills Parkway home - it's a two-lane with scenic overlooks on the western side of the park in Tennessee. I wouldn't even get out of the car when we would stop, and jumped every time a car went by.

That's because what's coming out is that police just didn't see the warning signs with this guy - he must have been parked on backroads - surely they saw him driving a circuit through small towns. He must have been seen on trails more than we know. And when they were searching, he knew exactly where to hide that poor girl so that LE would never find her. I'm not blaming the police, but it's so heartbreaking to know she was still alive for days and no one came to rescue her. :( I know LE must feel a million times worse than I do, but it's a cautionary tale that maybe they need to patrol logging roads and pull-offs more than they do. Maybe there needs to be some federal LE presence on the Appalachian Trail. We did see police cars on the Foothills Parkway, which was comforting, but there were also miles and miles with nobody.

[Native New Yorker]

Thank you all for reading this....I felt so awful after I read it....
I am sure that the transcript is real, as all the recent articles about this case quoted from it...
it is way more horrific to read it.
My take on the WE that Hilton uses in talking to them?
He felt a kinship with LE, why, he was working with them, helping them, leading them to the body...note how one of LE keeps saying
" I understand" to him....always a good idea to promote a feeling of kinship I suppose in these types of questionings.
I really, really feel sorry for any of LE who had to listen to his confessions....
they will forever be haunted by this.....

[MCDRAW]

I can't believe he thought she was enjoying herself. What a psycho!

[Truly]

You're right, NNY, he does act as if he thinks he is a member of Law Enforcement, like he is proud or something of being the only one who can solve the crime. He sounds as if he thinks that he is so smart and everyone else is stupid. His arrogance is astonishing.

Here's the quote that bothered me (it's on page 78 on the cnn transcript.)
"Drove to here, I said hey, I gotta get this stuff arranged. We're gonna let you go, et cetera, et cetera. I've gotta move you off here, the law's all over the place and everything."

The transcript just seems like an odd thing to release to the press. It just seems to sensationalize the details of his crimes. Which I guess I had hoped Meredith's family would be spared from having it all released so publically. Not to mention the families of Cheryl and the Bryants.

I do hope she was focused on the beauty of the wilderness around her.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yeah and I know this is petty and I shouldn't even be bothered by it considering the facts but.. telling the cops to go to the mc'donalds and get him a cup of coffee? You GOT to be kidding me? :furious: And saying Meredith owed him 'sex' (his words were not so nice) because she kept giving him the wrong pin numbers and how the sex wasn't even worth it. I just feel sick over this man and his evil.

[Native New Yorker]

Yes, but what I noticed is that when he asked for stuff, like cigarettes, coffee, etc, they just put him off....they never gave him anything, at least on tape...

as for why they released the transcript...perhaps some type of Sunshine law? I do not know...but I really think that Meredith's family already knows all of the awful details....they would have told them in as gentle a manner as possible, knowing that at some point this would come out.....

Very, very haunting look into the mind of a monster!
Oh, and I also feel sorry for his lawyer now!
I really think that Meredith did keep hoping that help was on its way....and that she had hope until the very end...

[panglossian]

Good find Native and Truly!!
I don't get the sense that Hilton was living the script of any movie or snuff flick. He didn't even have a plan for the most part.

I don't agree that he has a speech impediment or stutter. I hear many radio and TV personalities use the I,I,I thing and I think it is an adopted affect. I've heard Rush, Randi Rhodes, Rob Morrow of Northern Exposure, Woody Allen, Mike Trevisano all use it and try to make it cool. Then it becomes a habit. A guy driving his van around all day would pick this up.

I also think LE could have done a better job on this interview by letting Hilton complete more sentences and listening more to what he was trying to explain rather than questions they wanted answered. That opportunity is gone forever now.

Someone earlier asked if he wore the clothes of the ATM card owners to fool the ATM camera and LE. I thought it was a real possibility but we'll never know.

[Native New Yorker]

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=113398

"Before this interview was released to the media, the GBI said they did inform Meredith Emerson's family of all the details in it."

[Emily Booth]

This was so sad. To see Meredith thru GMH's eyes. He had more feeling for Ella than he did for her. He was so concerned about removing his jacket and sweater from her body so there would be no DNA and poured bleach on her yet he wasn't concerned about the DNA he left behind when he raped her? Did you catch his statement that her body wasn't the first to be dumped in Dawson Forest?

[panglossian]

Did you catch his statement that her body wasn't the first to be dumped in Dawson Forest?

Yes, Emily, I did pick up on that, too. That was one of the things that I didn't like about the way LE questioned him for his statement/confession. Why didn't their ears perk up when he made that comment and encourage him to continue talking about it.

[Emily Booth]

Several posters at the Tallahassee Democrat forum ( homepage > community > crime > Cheryl Dunlap) noticed this, too.

[Native New Yorker]

If I am not mistaken, the very moment that he made the remark about the bodies, his lawyer jumped right in and stopped the interview. It was just at the end....
From my reading of the entire transcript ( though I did skip his happy thoughts on cutting off his victim's head) it was clear to me, that since his lawyer was right there in the car, that LE was being very careful not to let him ramble too much, lest the lawyer cut the interview off!
I also think that it must have disgusted LE to hear him gloating, but I feel the real reason they kept interrupting was to keep the interview moving forward.

[Emily Booth]

That's a good point, NNY. I sort of glossed over the decapitation, too. I really didn't want to hear how it was like chicken or lamb.

[Native New Yorker]

The face of evil......

http://www.barnesville.com/Geiger's.html (http://www.barnesville.com/Geiger%27s.html)

[Native New Yorker]

pix of the monster
http://www.barnesville.com/index1.html

[sweetmop]

The face of evil......

http://www.barnesville.com/Geiger's.html

Thanks for the article link.

It's a shame that taxpayer's money has to pay for the housing, food, etc. of this monster!

And it sickens me all of the choices he's allowed.
His victims certainly had none!:mad:

[panglossian]

The face of evil......

http://www.barnesville.com/Geiger's.html (http://www.barnesville.com/Geiger%27s.html)

Thanks again Native.
Anyone else get the feeling that GMH was striking a pose with "the look" for this photographer?
I'm certain GMH is enjoying his celebrity status.

[concernedperson]

"Right to Hike" established in memory of Meredith Emerson.This non profit addresses safe guards and is being promoted by the restaurant chain Appleby's.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/06/12/meridith_emerson_nonprofit.html

[concernedperson]

Meredith's Trail dedicated in Gwinnett County to slain hiker.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/gwinnett/stories/2008/10/25/Meredith_emerson_trail.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_n ewstab