50/60 year old Amnesia Victim Savannah, GA Thread #3

[christine2448]

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Thread 1

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Thread 2

[URL]http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55278 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1753782#post1753782)

[WantingToHelp]

Boy this case seems to have come to a stand still. People were posting like crazy and then all of a sudden it just stopped.

So is the concensus on this that BK and the nurse are hiding something? And that's why the talk about this case died down?

[Salem]

I agree. It seems like the case was moving forward with the article in the National Enquirer and then .......... nothing?

Salem

[believe09]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't recall hearing anything from BK or NB regarding any of the side by sides or any of the other media contacts that were forwarded....

[Lizza]

"Daniel Alan Birchfield" Doe network 185DMGA

[LionRun]

"Daniel Alan Birchfield" Doe network 185DMGA

I think the facial structure is off, and perhaps more importantly, it was stated at The Doe Network that he was terminally ill. He disappeared in 1991 and was terminally ill at that time. I doubt he is still living. Thank you for posting. One of these days someone might be a match:).

Lion

[believe09]

This investigation recently gained some legs through some very positive direct interactions with NB and Mr. Kyle. They are looking for continued assistance.

Would anyone be interested in helping to comb the potential matches made from previous postings (which were so beautifully reproduced in side by sides) to rule people in/out based on features, tattoos etc??

If we can narrow some of them down, then we can really start picking them apart with an eye towards finding his ID.

Please let me know your thoughts and your appetite for this!!!

Thanks...:rolleyes:

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see any news of any positive interactions here. Maybe it would be helpful instead of just saying there is...to produce something to show what has taken place.

I don't see people handing over their time for BK and nurse again until they can see a positive response from them. If they still are asking for help, they need to come here and be instrumental in finding it instead of hiding behind our posters. Let BK join us and give us some positive reason to help him.

[christine2448]

I don't see any news of any positive interactions here. Maybe it would be helpful instead of just saying there is...to produce something to show what has taken place.

I don't see people handing over their time for BK and nurse again until they can see a positive response from them. If they still are asking for help, they need to come here and be instrumental in finding it instead of hiding behind our posters. Let BK join us and give us some positive reason to help him.


We have had positive response from NB and would like to continue assisting with this case. They are not asking for your help, I am, believe is, Lighting the Way Home is. You can choose to help us find his identity or not. :blowkiss:

[believe09]

I don't see any news of any positive interactions here. Maybe it would be helpful instead of just saying there is...to produce something to show what has taken place.

I don't see people handing over their time for BK and nurse again until they can see a positive response from them. If they still are asking for help, they need to come here and be instrumental in finding it instead of hiding behind our posters. Let BK join us and give us some positive reason to help him.

I am going to assume that is a "no" from SS then. Anyone who is willing is welcome to volunteer. If the idea is a bust, then I have learned something.

[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry, Christina and Believe. I think people here deserve to know more and have to be given more incentive to work on this case. It isn't that I don't trust you have been working with BN and have had some positive response, but from where this left off until now...people can't see any progress in the way BN or BK are handling this case.

Once bitten...twice shy.

[FLMom]

Sorry, Christina and Believe. I think people here deserve to know more and have to be given more incentive to work on this case. It isn't that I don't trust you have been working with BN and have had some positive response, but from where this left off until now...people can't see any progress in the way BN or BK are handling this case.

Once bitten...twice shy.

Hey guys. I know that everyone here has either been working out in the open or just keeping up with BK's story. SS, I'm sorry if you feel burned and I don't blame you. We aren't always privy to the behind the scenes things. It could help to have people that not only have kept up, but also posters with a fresh perspective to go back and look at the pics and see what they come up with. I think that was the reason of believe's post. I understand that sometimes you just have to walk away from things out of sheer frustration.

If I can strong-arm my teens away from the puter tomorrow, I'll start working on a listing of possibilities, and since we have nothing really definitive, I'll just put everyone in the "possible in" category to start.

Thanks, believe and Christine, for all that you do!

[RKnowley]

I'd be willing to go through the side by sides and start ruling some of them out based on if they had tattoos, etc. I have already ruled out a few and I can make those changes to the side by sides I already have and then upload the new side by side with the edits. Now the thing is, what should I do with the images? I will upload them to my photo bucket account but what about posting the images here? I don't want to take up a bunch of bandwidth posting the images directly on here unless I get the go ahead from a mod or admin.

ETA: OR should I just leave the pics as is and just post in this thread or the photo thread why they should be ruled out??

[believe09]

I just want to be clear that I understand completely where SS is coming from, and I have learned and will continue to learn a lot from SS, since I am still such a newbie.

I like the idea of posting them here for discussion, so that the more who can weigh in the better...easy for me to say since I don't run the site, lol!!! I will leave that to the decision makers, and pose it to a few of them if none of you have already.

Thanks for the offers of help! I hope that it will be worth it in the end...I think it will...:blowkiss:

[dimples37398]

I understand where SS is coming from too, most definately.....

Since I do believe there are still honest and good people out there, I am willing to help rule out and do any side by side's that might need to be done. It also helps make me feel better that the nurse is from my home state, so I feel an obligation somewhat to try and help all I can.

Which ones have been ruled out? Does their need to be a primary list of possibles, then a back up secondary list just in case we rule out all of the most likely matches? Then we can atleast still have all the possibles and not delete or lose any of them that everyone has contributed.

I just hope and pray we have all the facts so that we can truly help out to the best of our ability. It is just a wake up call when the NE had more facts and details about things he has remembered than we did.

kel

[dimples37398]

I think the most obvious thing I have noticed about his face and facial features is the way the tip of his nose kinda points downward. There are alot of things that might change as years go by, but when the nose points down in the front like that....it is usually noticable even as the years go on.

Kel

[RKnowley]

Hi Dimples,

You can find all of the side by side comparison photos on this link
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55629.

New thread for those we can rule out can be found here: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59716

This is the link to the thread for those we cannot rule out at this point (Thanks for setting up this thread mjak!):

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59719

I think we should start a new thread (I can do that) That says "Benjaman Kyle" Those we can rule out?? and post the ones we think we can rule out & their stats there along with why we think they can be ruled out?

I don't think I will post the images again since we can just view them at the above link and then post the ones we think that can be ruled out on the new thread.

I understand where SS is coming from too, most definately.....

Since I do believe there are still honest and good people out there, I am willing to help rule out and do any side by side's that might need to be done. It also helps make me feel better that the nurse is from my home state, so I feel an obligation somewhat to try and help all I can.

Which ones have been ruled out? Does their need to be a primary list of possibles, then a back up secondary list just in case we rule out all of the most likely matches? Then we can atleast still have all the possibles and not delete or lose any of them that everyone has contributed.

I just hope and pray we have all the facts so that we can truly help out to the best of our ability. It is just a wake up call when the NE had more facts and details about things he has remembered than we did.

kel

[LionRun]

Does anyone know if we ever ruled out Steve Dewey? I was under the impression that we had, but after talking with another sleuther friend, I am not so sure.

Lion

[believe09]

Does anyone know if we ever ruled out Steve Dewey? I was under the impression that we had, but after talking with another sleuther friend, I am not so sure.

Lion

I cannot find where he is completely ruled out-the challenge I have is that BK is listed at 220-240lbs, which would put him 30-50 lbs heavier than Steve in the 3 weeks in between when Steve was missing and BK recovered or is my math bad, lol?

[LionRun]

Thanks believe:). I think there are definite differences between the two men concerning facial skeletal structure, but I want to make sure.

Lion

[believe09]

Thanks believe:). I think there are definite differences between the two men concerning facial skeletal structure, but I want to make sure.

Lion

:blowkiss:

[MaconChange]

I think BK's weight listed is his current weight, not when he was found....but anyway, Steve Dewey has been ruled out.

[LionRun]

Do you know why he was ruled out?

Lion

[MaconChange]

Yes, I received an e-mail, from a relative of Steve Dewey, with the information.

[LionRun]

Thank you MaconChange:).

Lion

[believe09]

Does anyone have the information regarding his weight in 2004? I did a run back through the threads, but can't find anything...I could have missed it.

[InterestedNHelping]

The photo of Douglas Alan Mueller was a stunning resemblance to me, anyone else think it is possible? Doe case #
1238DMAZ

[mjak]

Douglas Alan Mueller, is blond and BK has brown hair.

mjak

[believe09]

BK's present build is listed at 5'11" and around 240-260 lbs...if you take a look at Mark Lane Smith, for example
(Charley project http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_mark.html)
he is listed at around that height and weight, yet his build looks very round to me compared to BK.

I have wondered for a while how accurate BK's weight is.

[heidi k]

Ok, first off all i'd like to apologize, i havent been on here in awhile, the reason i came on here is because i talked w/ Benjaman and had to see for myself that someone would actually question if this is real or not. How rude & unthoughtful to whoever the one is who is questioning it, First off, the reason Benjaman doesnt not come on here and reply himself is because he is not great with computers & doesnt type very well and he is working on trying to get his life going, im not sure how many of you have lost your memory and had to try & rebuild your life while not being able to even get a social security card but if you can imagine im sure its Difficult dont you think? 2nd, if this was a fake, why would it be in the doe network & if indeed it was a fake someone would have recognized him & turned him in. I have alot going on in my life right now i have been trying to take care of, but, i'm not going to just sit here & do nothing while other people are now trying to wonder if its real or not so i will be trying to take some time out to specifically work on helping Benjaman. For those of you who dont know btw, Darrell Austrew has been ruled out by DNA, also, Benjamans DNA has been entered into codis so if you think that a missing person could be him, see if you can get a family member to enter their DNA so they can run it with Benajamans. Thank you
(my email addy is rosered84@comcast.net just incase anyone wants to email me i check that more often because its easier)
Heidi K

[Cubby]

Douglas Alan Mueller, is blond and BK has brown hair.

mjak


It's my opinion that BK's hair looks to be a dark/dirty dishwater color. His skin tone and eye color appear to me that it is possible he was blonde or a darker blonde at a younger age and like many of us blondes, our hair gets darker as we age. Does anyone else see this? I wouldn't rule out someone who was blonde at a younger age.

just my :twocents:

[christine2448]

It's my opinion that BK's hair looks to be a dark/dirty dishwater color. His skin tone and eye color appear to me that it is possible he was blonde or a darker blonde at a younger age and like many of us blondes, our hair gets darker as we age. Does anyone else see this? I wouldn't rule out someone who was blonde at a younger age.

just my :twocents:

I agree, we have more substantial things to look at then hair color that can surely rule him out or keep him in the :confused: category.

[christine2448]

Ok, first off all i'd like to apologize, i havent been on here in awhile, the reason i came on here is because i talked w/ Benjaman and had to see for myself that someone would actually question if this is real or not. How rude & unthoughtful to whoever the one is who is questioning it, First off, the reason Benjaman doesnt not come on here and reply himself is because he is not great with computers & doesnt type very well and he is working on trying to get his life going, im not sure how many of you have lost your memory and had to try & rebuild your life while not being able to even get a social security card but if you can imagine im sure its Difficult dont you think? 2nd, if this was a fake, why would it be in the doe network & if indeed it was a fake someone would have recognized him & turned him in. I have alot going on in my life right now i have been trying to take care of, but, i'm not going to just sit here & do nothing while other people are now trying to wonder if its real or not so i will be trying to take some time out to specifically work on helping Benjaman. For those of you who dont know btw, Darrell Austrew has been ruled out by DNA, also, Benjamans DNA has been entered into codis so if you think that a missing person could be him, see if you can get a family member to enter their DNA so they can run it with Benajamans. Thank you
(my email addy is rosered84@comcast.net just incase anyone wants to email me i check that more often because its easier)
Heidi K

We appreciate your input, however, Lighting the Way Home is working directly with BK's advocate, FBI, GBI, and LE involved in this case. We are the ones that facilitated collection of DNA. I am not yet sure it has been run, believe??? Has it been run yet? I know they have it, but has it been put through?

Those that are working this case 'in real life' know exactly what is going on. Those that are not privvy to facts such as we are have every right to question whether this is real or not until they have proof otherwise. Trying to sleuth a case and find truth and answers is not rude and unthoughtful and I do not appreciate you coming here and attacking our posters. You have not been here enough to know what is and has been going on. We offered our hand to work with you the 1st time you showed up here but you did not reply to our requests.


At this point, everyone at WS knows LTWH is working this case locally, behind the scenes, and those that are helping and have been since the beginning are included. We were told by BK that he has an advocate and at this moment we are working with that person directly.

We welcome any help, suggestions, etc.

Please understand that those that have doubts have reasons. They are not trying to be hurtful. They are trying to figure this very confusing case out.

[believe09]

it has been collected and processed. As of 1/31/2008, it had been entered into CODIS but not run for matches. It is done by priority of public safety-for example, if there are active cases where there might be a serial rapist or killer, their DNA is entered and run because it is a matter of public safety. Make sense? BK is low on the rungs to be run, not that it won't happen of course.

[RKnowley]

Right, Christine. Right now those who have a different hair color listed than what Benjaman has are just sitting in the "Those who need investigation" thread with a :confused: by their name and it lists their hair color as a reason they can be ruled out but I'm waiting for a more "valid" reason that they can be ruled out besides just basing it on their hair color.

I hope I made sense in what I just said?? LOL


I agree, we have more substantial things to look at then hair color that can surely rule him out or keep him in the :confused: category.

[phenolred]

I need the help of anyone else from Indiana or anyone that might be able to track down this information. Last week as I was getting ready for work I had the TV on the morning news and they said coming up some new information in an old unsolved case of 2 missing people. For some reason I thought it might be a father and daughter and I think they said from the 80's and it was in Indiana. They showed side by side pics of the girl and the man, and the man really kind of looked like BK to me. I missed the rest of the program and have not been able to find anything out about it. I think they said the girls last name was Pickett. or Puckit...

I really wanted to see this because of the resemblence to BK

[dimples37398]

I really really really like

Mark Lane Smith


I also like

Ronald Zellmer, Siegfried Woelki(this one has 2 photos, one on right much more like BK,

[believe09]

I need the help of anyone else from Indiana or anyone that might be able to track down this information. Last week as I was getting ready for work I had the TV on the morning news and they said coming up some new information in an old unsolved case of 2 missing people. For some reason I thought it might be a father and daughter and I think they said from the 80's and it was in Indiana. They showed side by side pics of the girl and the man, and the man really kind of looked like BK to me. I missed the rest of the program and have not been able to find anything out about it. I think they said the girls last name was Pickett. or Puckit...

I really wanted to see this because of the resemblence to BK

In local news I found a cold missing case from 1986 being reopened for an elderly woman named Pullen. The story run right before it was for a Congressman with the last name of Puckett running for re-election. Can you check the website of the news station, or give me the letters used to id it?

[believe09]

It was for Walter "Tom" Smith and Karen Jo Smith, I think?

They are actually two separate cases, and Walter is on our list for possible BK...

Does this sound like what you heard?

[christine2448]

It was for Walter "Tom" Smith and Karen Jo Smith, I think?

They are actually two separate cases, and Walter is on our list for possible BK...

Does this sound like what you heard?

Dang, I was searching too, hadn't come up with anything yet. Going to search the 2 you mention to see if there was a recent newscast.

Believe, has Walter Smith been ruled out? Or needs further investigating?

[believe09]

Ruled out- he has scars on his body, acne scars, broken teeth...

[phenolred]

I know it wasnt Karen Jo Smith I know what she looks like and I remember her story. This was a young girl, and I think the channel was fox 59 wxin But that man looked so much like BK it really caught my attention. Then I figured I would just be able to go to Indiana missing people and look it up later. I dont see them on NCMEC though grrr wish I could find them.

[christine2448]

I know it wasnt Karen Jo Smith I know what she looks like and I remember her story. This was a young girl, and I think the channel was fox 59 wxin But that man looked so much like BK it really caught my attention. Then I figured I would just be able to go to Indiana missing people and look it up later. I dont see them on NCMEC though grrr wish I could find them.

Phen call the station, see if they can tell you...or look on local websites....what day was this again you saw it? Maybe we can narrow it down by missing-news-date w/searching?

[RKnowley]

We all know that most people get shorter as we age, if someone went missing in 1996 and was listed as 6'1" when they went missing could they have lost enough height to have ended up at BK's height when he was found in 2004 or would you rule the 6'1" person out as being BK?

I'm talking about Gary David Poole who is one of the possibles for being BK. So far he is too tall to be BK and is listed as having hazel eyes but I don't want to rule out on just eye color alone because they can look completely different at different times.

What do you all think??

[believe09]

We all know that most people get shorter as we age, if someone went missing in 1996 and was listed as 6'1" when they went missing could they have lost enough height to have ended up at BK's height when he was found in 2004 or would you rule the 6'1" person out as being BK?

I'm talking about Gary David Poole who is one of the possibles for being BK. So far he is too tall to be BK and is listed as having hazel eyes but I don't want to rule out on just eye color alone because they can look completely different at different times.

What do you all think??

i have been having a ponder on the same subject-NB actually brought up height shrinkage herself...I think that BK has a rounded stance, so I wouldn't rule on 6'1" alone.

[RKnowley]

Would you all agree that if a person being compared as a possible for being BK was born in the late 50's or in 1960 they would most likely be too young to be BK?

[LionRun]

Yes, but not necessarily by very much, RKnowley.

Lion

[RKnowley]

I would think that BK is in his mid 50's to mid 60's by looking at him. Is that your impression Lion?

[LionRun]

Yes, RKnowley. I think he looks to be about in his mid 50's to mid 60's.

Lion

[LionRun]

Also, when it comes to height I wouldn't rule out a man who was reported some time ago as being 6' 1" either. A person's height can decrease over time as we know, and the initial height could have been reported slightly inaccurately as well.

Lion

[Fairy1]

The photo of Douglas Alan Mueller was a stunning resemblance to me, anyone else think it is possible? Doe case #
1238DMAZ

Hello everyone! I am new to this thread and I'm amazed at what you all have done here - wow! I have looked at all the side-by-side pics and have to agree with InterestedNHelping regarding Douglas Mueller. The facial features are remarkably similar. I agree with others who feel it's a mistake to rule him out based on hair color. Mueller was a young man when he went missing and it's quite common for the hair of a natural blond to darken over the years. Happened to me and both of my brothers! Does anyone know if he has been or can be ruled out by DNA?

[LionRun]

I agree that Douglas Alan Mueller resembles Benjaman. For me, this is the only possible match where the noses are similar and there doesn't seem to be any conflicting characteristics concerning facial structure. Yet, Douglas Mueller would be turning just 50 next month. So, it seems he may be too young.

I said previously that chances are anyone born in the late 50's to the early 60's would likely be too young to be Benjaman. But, I can't bring myself to rule out Douglas just yet. I googled and looked at all I could find about Douglas, and there is very little. I wish I knew more about him.

Here is a link to The Doe Network with a pic of Douglas

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1238dmaz.html

Lion

[Chloekins]

Also, when it comes to height I wouldn't rule out a man who was reported some time ago as being 6' 1" either. A person's height can decrease over time as we know, and the initial height could have been reported slightly inaccurately as well.

Lion

Very good point Lion! My husband's mum routinely refers to his height as 6'1 when in fact he is 6'4. So lets assume that sometimes people remember others are being either taller or shorter than they actually are. I know that sometimes people's personalities reflect how we remember them in stature. For instance a powerful man who had a presence can be remembered as much taller and larger than he actually is. I hope this makes sense. haha.

[Fairy1]

I agree that Douglas Alan Mueller resembles Benjaman. For me, this is the only possible match where the noses are similar and there doesn't seem to be any conflicting characteristics concerning facial structure. Yet, Douglas Mueller would be turning just 50 next month. So, it seems he may be too young.

I said previously that chances are anyone born in the late 50's to the early 60's would likely be too young to be Benjaman. But, I can't bring myself to rule out Douglas just yet. I googled and looked at all I could find about Douglas, and there is very little. I wish I knew more about him.

Here is a link to The Doe Network with a pic of Douglas

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1238dmaz.html

Lion

Hi Lion,

The nose is what did it for me too. You're right about the age, but do you believe it's possible that BK may have been leading a lifestyle over the years that may have caused him to age a little more quickly? Just a thought. Like you, I wish there was more info on Douglas. Surely someone out there knows more about him!

[Fairy1]

This is my only other best guess - William Herbert Pear:
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

[dimples37398]

What about.... http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/ping_donald.html


Has he been ruled in or out? I can't seem to find a thread with him on it.....

Kel

[believe09]

he was ruled out because of piercings, burn scars and a crushed heel...BK has none of the above-no tatoos or piercings of any kind, and only the scars listed previously...

[believe09]

i am going to give Scottsdale another try tomorrow-this time I won't leave a message lol...

[Snowbird]

I am rather new to websleuth's and came across this thread a few days ago. IIRC it was said that BK does have a regional accent. Does this mean he has an accent relating to the Georgia area? Southern, Midwest, West ? Most people acquire their accents as children and young adults and even if they change regions as an adult they will not change their accent.

So can someone say what was meant by him having a regional accent ? It would narrow the area down by quite a few States if his accent can be placed to a specific region.
Thanks Snowbird

[believe09]

I am rather new to websleuth's and came across this thread a few days ago. IIRC it was said that BK does have a regional accent. Does this mean he has an accent relating to the Georgia area? Southern, Midwest, West ? Most people acquire their accents as children and young adults and even if they change regions as an adult they will not change their accent.

So can someone say what was meant by him having a regional accent ? It would narrow the area down by quite a few States if his accent can be placed to a specific region.
Thanks Snowbird

His accent is not southern, and depending on who you talk to they will give you an opinion. I think he speaks as if from the West but not the Southwest. I do not think he is from the traditional midwest simply because he does not broaden his A. Another opinion that has been posted is the chance that he was/is from Florida but was not perhaps raised there.

[believe09]

Douglas Alan Mueller may not be our guy-I spoke with Scottsdale for a while today (super nice SGT in charge of missing persons!) and they are pretty sure that Doug's prints are in APHIS because of previous unsavory activity if you read me. He (SGT) is calling or emailing me back with a definitive because he saw a card, but did not know if it was in APHIS for sure. He had a different middle name, so he is rechecking everything as well so we know for sure.....

[Lizza]

DAVID PRESTON HINDS
voluntary missing since January 16, 1995

[InterestedNHelping]

thanks believe, for all your work on this one...when you know, let us know, so I can get back to the drawing board, lol...

[kaylenbabysims]

Cant remember if he was suggested before or not.. I know he has the chin thing going on.. But I did see other missing people that had chins like this in some pictures but in other pictures some seemed to be at a lighter weight and not have the same looking chin they had before.. so ........ just in case :)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/408dmita.html
http://www.chilhavisto.rai.it/clv/English/misteri/2000-2001/Unterhuber.htm

[SewingDeb]

Kaylenbabysims,
I wonder if the DNA was ever compared as was mentioned in your second link.

[christine2448]

DAVID PRESTON HINDS
voluntary missing since January 16, 1995

Hi Lizza, I alerted Believe09 and RKknowley to this and they are working on a comparison.

See here
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60373&page=3


and here, there is a photo comparison up now :)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55629&page=2

[believe09]

DAVID PRESTON HINDS
voluntary missing since January 16, 1995

Boo hoo! Mr. Hinds did a ton of prison time for the majority of his hard life, said the detective I spoke too. He would have popped up for sure.

Cross another name off....

[christine2448]

Boo hoo! Mr. Hinds did a ton of prison time for the majority of his hard life, said the detective I spoke too. He would have popped up for sure.

Cross another name off....

Where did we get the info about BK being run in what databases? How sure are we the info is correct? Has it all be verified by one of us?

[believe09]

Where did we get the info about BK being run in what databases? How sure are we the info is correct? Has it all be verified by one of us?

Verified with FBI by me...and read your pm...

[believe09]

Cant remember if he was suggested before or not.. I know he has the chin thing going on.. But I did see other missing people that had chins like this in some pictures but in other pictures some seemed to be at a lighter weight and not have the same looking chin they had before.. so ........ just in case :)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/408dmita.html
http://www.chilhavisto.rai.it/clv/English/misteri/2000-2001/Unterhuber.htmbut BK does not have any scars on his thigh...

[kaylenbabysims]

okay just thought i'd throw it out there just incase, it could of been overlooked! Hopefully the poor guy will get a dna match soon!

[believe09]

I love the new eyes...keep it coming, please!!!!!

[RKnowley]

Did you add him to the "Those we can rule out for sure" thread here on WS?

Boo hoo! Mr. Hinds did a ton of prison time for the majority of his hard life, said the detective I spoke too. He would have popped up for sure.

Cross another name off....

[dimples37398]

Here is the only article I found that says the doe in Boston was not Unterhuber.....I think there are alot of similarities, maybe the scar on the thigh faded light enough to be barely visible?

http://www.doenetwork.org/media/news1.html

Unterhuber had disappeared from northern Italy in 1988, and his passport had been found in a Boston homeless shelter.
Ultimately, a forensic dentist with the state Medical Examiner’s Office said the skeleton was not Unterhuber’s because its teeth did not match his. "I was totally astonished. Everything seemed to match like a glove," Lingoes said. Although disappointed, Lingoes said he was convinced that he could identify other victims.

[believe09]

Did you add him to the "Those we can rule out for sure" thread here on WS?

Thanks-I did not and will...

[dimples37398]

I took a go at making a photo of BK about 20 years younger give or take....and here it is....it isn't the best but I did do it in 1 1/2 hours....so if anyone thinks anything inparticular needs to be changed then please let me know and I will work on it.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/bkyounger.jpg

Thanks,
Kel

[Fairy1]

Grreat job! What handsome guy. Someone is looking for him - just haven't connected yet! I don't want to be cynical, but I do wonder why Benjamin had not been "found" yet. It's been a long time....

[christine2448]

I took a go at making a photo of BK about 20 years younger give or take....and here it is....it isn't the best but I did do it in 1 1/2 hours....so if anyone thinks anything inparticular needs to be changed then please let me know and I will work on it.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/bkyounger.jpg

Thanks,
Kel


Hey dimples, great job! I am going to post it right up in the thread here..

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/bkyounger.jpg

[believe09]

I sent this off with an update to BK and his folks...I asked them to send back any changes they would make and will post any feedback I receive!!!!!

:blowkiss:

[Fairy1]

Douglas Alan Mueller may not be our guy-I spoke with Scottsdale for a while today (super nice SGT in charge of missing persons!) and they are pretty sure that Doug's prints are in APHIS because of previous unsavory activity if you read me. He (SGT) is calling or emailing me back with a definitive because he saw a card, but did not know if it was in APHIS for sure. He had a different middle name, so he is rechecking everything as well so we know for sure.....

Hello Believe09!

Any news on Douglas yet? I still think he's the closest resemblance....

[believe09]

Hello Believe09!

Any news on Douglas yet? I still think he's the closest resemblance....

Hi, friend. Nothing yet, but the SGT told me he had a very intense investigation he was digging into so it might be a week or two before he could get back to me...I am trying to be patient which is not my strong suit, but I will post whatever he sends!!!!!:)

[phenolred]

Kinda looks like Dale Earnhardt, Awesome Job on the age regression.

[believe09]

to the man himself via his close confidant and I will be happy to let you know his thoughts, guys, as soon as I hear from him....

[believe09]

The Sgt involved in his case notified me today that Douglas (our Douglas) does NOT have any prints on file in APHIS, or even a fingerprint card-the case files were mixed up. They are working on getting dentals and I am standing at the ready to get them a DNA kit since Douglas has relatives in the area....wow, huh?

[christine2448]

:clap::clap: The Sgt involved in his case notified me today that Douglas (our Douglas) does NOT have any prints on file in APHIS, or even a fingerprint card-the case files were mixed up. They are working on getting dentals and I am standing at the ready to get them a DNA kit since Douglas has relatives in the area....wow, huh?:clap: :clap:

[phenolred]

wow I finally found the information from an Cold Case in Indiana that I had seen a glimpse of a guy that I thought looked like BK, But NOw my mind CAN REST the case I had saw was a case of Tonya Pickett and Rickey Mustard her step dad. I thought it was a cold missing persons case, it was a cold murder case. I found the pic of Ricky see this is why I thought he looked like BK

http://images.cnhi.zope.net/images_sizedimage_037002529/med (http://www.tribstar.com/local/images_sizedimage_037002529/resources_photoview)
They arrested someone in the case yesterday it was a 1988 killing....

http://www.tribstar.com/local/local_story_039000142.html

[InterestedNHelping]

'Our Douglas"....keeping my fingers crossed here, I sure think that he is quite a match, as I said at the beginning...hoping he is our man...interesting that he 'went missing' so young. If he is the one to match, there is ALOt of history to deal with, and Benjamin needs to have a counselor at the ready, so that he can absorb carefully and slowly, his identity. He needs protection from being overwhelmed. Hopefully we will have some answers soon!

[Angelray]

can some one take the moustache off of bk? Or is it here somewhere? I tryed but it didnt do to good.. I am no artist..
Thanks

[believe09]

can some one take the moustache off of bk? Or is it here somewhere? I tryed but it didnt do to good.. I am no artist..
Thanks

I think she is working on it, lion...i can't wait to see that!!!

[LionRun]

The Sgt involved in his case notified me today that Douglas (our Douglas) does NOT have any prints on file in APHIS, or even a fingerprint card-the case files were mixed up. They are working on getting dentals and I am standing at the ready to get them a DNA kit since Douglas has relatives in the area....wow, huh?

Hi believe:). It's funny, but Douglas Mueller is the only possible match so far that I think resembles BK. The facial structure, the spacing of the eyes for both, and even the noses are similar. I am anxious to learn whether happens!

Lion

[Angelray]

That is wonderful! I cant wait to see it either. when hubby shaves his off I dont even recognise him lol. Maybe with a pic with out the moustache I can put the two together and and put on some boards I know of... that is how I found my uncles family..

[believe09]

That is wonderful! I cant wait to see it either. when hubby shaves his off I dont even recognise him lol. Maybe with a pic with out the moustache I can put the two together and and put on some boards I know of... that is how I found my uncles family..

I have a feeling that his is a wonderful story that I want to hear...I think that erasing BK's mustache is going to be an eye opener as well. :)

[Anita Richman]

Hi all...been searching through the threads on BK, looking for a missing man who was wanted for taking video/audio of unknowing female students. Someone here thought he might be a match for Benjamin. This guy looks like a suspect in another case...does anyone know which missing man I am speaking of?

[Angelray]

here is something else to think about.. Can someone also give him a pair of glasses?? They said his eye site was bad so I would bet he wore glasses too.

[Angelray]

here is something else to think about.. Can someone also give him a pair of glasses?? They said his eye site was bad so I would bet he wore glasses too.

Ok there was no one here to talk to this evening soooooooooooooo this is my version of Kyle younger, thanks for doing most of it but this one has glasses and no moustache and a crew cut and dont no body laugh:blowkiss: Told ya I am no artist.
Oh and I gave him some teeth too..:crazy:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg95/angelray1958/wspost.jpg

[believe09]

Ok there was no one here to talk to this evening soooooooooooooo this is my version of Kyle younger, thanks for doing most of it but this one has glasses and no moustache and a crew cut and dont no body laugh:blowkiss: Told ya I am no artist.
Oh and I gave him some teeth too..:crazy:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg95/angelray1958/wspost.jpg

All I can say is wow....but you did a fantastic job!!!

[believe09]

Hi all...been searching through the threads on BK, looking for a missing man who was wanted for taking video/audio of unknowing female students. Someone here thought he might be a match for Benjamin. This guy looks like a suspect in another case...does anyone know which missing man I am speaking of?

I do not-if you get the name will you pm me???

:blowkiss:

[believe09]

I heard from Mr. Kyle directly that he thinks the regression is spot on; in fact here is a cut and paste from what he sent;

I looked at the picture and wish I looked that young. Except for the mustache the picture looks very good.

I shaved the Mustache off abut two years ago. I was very uncomfortable with it being gone and promptly grew it back. I believe I have always had a mustache.

(he is referring in his email about my request that dimples do a regression without the mustache...)

I am of the opinion then that we can use it as a springboard to any further written communication we do about him, such as newspapers in the Colorado and Indiana area...what do you think??

[fmw63]

Here's my try at it...


http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff138/fmw63/bkyounger2.jpg

[believe09]

Thank you FMW!!!

Hopefully Dimples will not mind me posting the final draft-

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/bkyoungerfinal.jpg

This was done by hi def resolution so it will work well with flyers etc...

AWESOME work WS'ers and I am proud to be a part of you...

[Angelray]

Here's my try at it...


http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff138/fmw63/bkyounger2.jpg

wonderful job on getting rid of that mustache:clap: much better than my trys but then again im old and cant see good. (had to have some excuse) :blowkiss:

[dimples37398]

Here is my final go at it without the mustache....lol....it is definately difficult to do and I couldn't get it to where I was happy with it but ya can kinda get an idea what he might have looked like without the mustache.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/bkyoungerwomustache.jpg

[christine2448]

Here is my final go at it without the mustache....lol....it is definately difficult to do and I couldn't get it to where I was happy with it but ya can kinda get an idea what he might have looked like without the mustache.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/bkyoungerwomustache.jpg

OK, now he looks familiar to me.....thanks for all your work dimples, you did a fantastic job.

[ttrachel04]

hi guys,

i have a feeling someone may have checked out him ... but as im nearing the end of my last semester of college (aka millions of papers, exams and job hunting) i just don't have enough time to go through all the threads !!

anyway here's this picture ... i saw a striking resemblence !!!

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_walter.html

and he's missing from indiana. and was opening up a business (maybe it was a restaurant?)

[believe09]

hi guys,

i have a feeling someone may have checked out him ... but as im nearing the end of my last semester of college (aka millions of papers, exams and job hunting) i just don't have enough time to go through all the threads !!

anyway here's this picture ... i saw a striking resemblence !!!

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_walter.html

and he's missing from indiana. and was opening up a business (maybe it was a restaurant?)

Great idea, but Benjaman was found in 2004.

[RKnowley]

Is there anything new on Benjaman? Is there anything I can help with?

[RKnowley]

Haha...2 other people submitted Mr. Smith as a possible match to BK. I even did a side by side for them. I think we finally ended up ruling him out because of acne scars and ?? Now I find out he didn't go missing until 2006..hmmmm, what kind of sleuth is that? LOL

Great idea, but Benjaman was found in 2004.

[believe09]

Is there anything new on Benjaman? Is there anything I can help with?


Lion is putting together a flyer with the age regression photos, and then maybe we can strategize how we want to roll them out...media, local schools, orthopoedic surgeons in Colorado and Indiana...I am game for whatever...

In the mean time, we are trying to get him representation and a means to obtaining legal ID. If anyone has close contacts with attorneys or legal aid, maybe they can run BK's scenario by them and see what their thoughts are...we have a healthy intelligent homeless man who cannot work or drive legally, much less obtain benefits without declaring himself an illegal alien. There has to be a better way, people, for him to be able to live and work until he is identified...:waitasec:

[Fairy1]

Bumping for Benjamin. No news?

[christine2448]

Waiting.

[bamabeauty]

i posted the below on another BK post on here a few days ago but no one responded . Do ya'll think this could be a match?

Hi. I am new to was. I discovered it a couple of weeks ago and have just been reading. This is my first post. I read this thread and later was thumbing through John Walshes book No Mercy and came across a picture of wanted fugitive Vernon Henry. He looks like BK to me. same nose. hair color and height and weight match but says eyes are blue.Vernon killed his wife and daughter and has been on the run since Aug 96. I may be way off but the two looked alike to me. Here is a link to a site offering a reward for vernon Henry's capture.

http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman...cle_6034.shtml (http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_6034.shtml)


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/quote.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2120238)

[Julessleuther]

Any chance it could be him? The nose is very similar, the eyes are the same color, the height is an inch off, and he has been missing since 2001, with ties to Florida.

http://www.unsolved.com/0202-Fisher.html

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fisher.htm

[KataniaStar]

Hi Guys,

I'm new to WS and the BK case fascinates me. I have several thoughts on it. First, I think the ears are a great feature to compare, as they don't change with age and are pretty unique to each person.

Of course, I don't have access to the case files and don't want to imply that the police etc. haven't already thought of these things, but here were some of my initial thoughts on reading about BK:

1. Why was BK found in that particular location, Richmond Hill in general and the restaurant in particular? As the police theorized, he might have been traveling on I-75 (or, if he was abducted, his abductor might), but not necessarily. If BK was driving for personal reasons or business and was somehow assaulted, say at a rest stop, why would his attacker(s) take him along afterward and then dump him? And why behind a restaurant? I think the BK location is less significant. Any out-of-the-way place would have done as well.

2. More interesting is the fact that he was found completely naked. Why would an attacker take his clothes? Perhaps his clothes were taken later, after he was beaten and dumped, by transients who knew he was helpless to prevent them from taking them. But if that were the case, would they take even his underwear? It seems possible that his attacker took his clothes because he thought they would make BK easier to identify, and he probably believed BK was dead or would shortly die.

But clothes don’t usually do a lot to help an identification unless they’re very unique. A uniform, perhaps? Or perhaps the attacker left some of his blood on BK’s clothing and disposed of it to remove his DNA.

3. One of the most interesting facets of the case is BK’s amnesia. When his eyes were repaired and he was able to see himself for the first time, he was shocked at how old he looked. He says he seems to have about a 20-year gap in his memory. Though it certainly seems unlikely, I’m wondering if he might have actually been missing that long. Was he kept somewhere against his will for 20 years, i.e., did he escape from a foreign jail or kidnappers?

4. Another fact of interest is BK’s near blindness from overexposure to the sun when he was discovered. I believe I read he was also sunburned. How quickly can a person become “sun-blind”? Could the blindness have started before he was dumped (i.e., he was staring at the sun during captivity, or perhaps there was a glare from water into his eyes)?

5. Although BK seems sure his name is Benjaman (and the “a” spelling is fairly uncommon), he could be mistaken. Benjaman could just be a name from his past, i.e., the name of one of his children, a brother, etc. I wonder if perhaps he was adopted, and thus had two identities, which is confusing him now as he tries to figure out who he is. Perhaps adoption records in Indiana and Colorado could be checked for his fingerprints and/or the name Benjamin or Benjaman. I think investigators should be careful not to get hung up on the name Benjaman.

6. BK is of the right age to have been eligible for the draft during the Vietnam War. Since the military has no record of his fingerprints, he must have had a draft exemption or was perhaps living outside the U.S. at that time. Draft exemptions could be obtained for college students, certain professionals (firefighters, police, ministers), and probably for some other reasons. He may have flunked his physical, but in that case I’d think they might still have his fingerprints on file. Or, possibly, he just had a high enough draft number to never have been drafted at all.

Well, those are some of my initial thoughts. One more thing--the poster says BK was found covered in fire ant bites. Does that mean he was just covered in the bites (suffered in some other location), or were the ants there biting him when he was found?

Last thought--I'm a genealogist, and DNA is the coming thing in our hobby. There are several websites where you can submit your DNA and run a search to find matches to surnames. It depends on how many markers you have tested, etc., but...and this is remote, I admit...BK might be able to get an idea of either his own surname or of another related surname if he did this. Here are some of the genealogy DNA websites:

Relative Genetics yDNA-Search hosted by Relative Genetics
http://www.relativegenetics.com

Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation
http://www.smgf.org

Y-Base hosted by HeritageDNA
http://www.ybase.org

Y-Search hosted by FamilyTreeDNA
http://www.ysearch.org

[Hope4Lost]

More interesting is the fact that he was found completely naked. Why would an attacker take his clothes?

I have a very dear friend who was mugged while out walking one morning before daybreak. The mugger stole his clothing. I think they took it to hinder the victim's quest for help. He had to hightail it home as he was only in his skivvies.

My brother was mugged once and his shoes were stolen.

fwiw

[Julessleuther]

What about this guy--he was just posted in missing/identified:

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/bovit.htm

[bluestarzz]

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/liles_roger.html

I have lost which page had Benjiman Kyle's stats on it (height, eye color)
I see alot of physical likeness in the face.

bluestarzz

[Salem]

Bluestarr - doing a side by side with the younger picture in Lion's link above shows some similarities. You may be on to something here.

What does everyone else think?

Salem

[ineedtoreadthenews]

Did you notice how similar the names sound...Kyle ...Liles....

[RKnowley]

On Liles' information it says he has brown eyes. If he truly does have brown eyes, he wouldn't be BK, as BK has blue eyes.

Bluestarr - doing a side by side with the younger picture in Lion's link above shows some similarities. You may be on to something here.

What does everyone else think?

Salem

[Salem]

Well darn! :crazy: I didn't go back and check the worded description, I just put the pictures side by side. Disappointing.

With all that has happened on this case, I just don't understand why he can't get a break. BK must have been compared to at least one hundred missing men. And, because we actually know what he looks like, you would think it would be easier. We don't have to just rely on descriptions from the various databases.

Somebody must know this man.......... I guess its back to the drawing board........

Salem

[bluestarzz]

they are both the same height and the weight varies by 20 lbs.
yes, the eye color needs to be checked further.
i really feel strongly about the resembalance though.

bluestarzz

[bluestarzz]

okay guys, i checked and my person isn't benjaman kyle, the nashville police have roger ray liles's fingerprints on file. the person i talked to felt that if a fbi agent was the contact for benjaman, then the fbi would have his fingerprints and would have ran them throught the database. the guy in nashville that i spoke with was very nice.

[Fairy1]

Bumping for Benjamin!!! Still no news on Douglas Mueller? Jeez.

[bluestarzz]

bumping for Benjaman Kyle

Bluestarzz

[LaWanda]

What about this guy--he was just posted in missing/identified:

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/bovit.htm

This guy looks a lot like BK to me. Anyone else?

[redsox39]

I am with you LaWanda, I think this one of the closest pictures I have seen. I think he would be too young, but then again, I have no idea how being mugged and left for dead might age a person.

[believe09]

What about this guy--he was just posted in missing/identified:

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/bovit.htm

OOPS- I have been behind the 8 ball on this one...this one intrigues me although BK's nose is a little more refined....RK, my friend and incredible talent, is there a chance we could get a side by side of Mr. Bovit and BK?

:blowkiss:

[dimples37398]

I agree this is the closest so far I have seen from first glance......

Although this link says that his blood was found on his mattress, passenger side of car, and in trunk, and it was confirmed to be his blood by DNA.

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/375dmvt.html

Who knows we have heard stranger things when someone wants to disappear or they are confused.

I am gonna compare them closer, in photoshop real quick.

Would that not be amazing if it was though....Anyone know if Russ's DNA is in the database.

[dimples37398]

According to Doe Network, he had a cyst removed on his spine, and had bleeding warts or something on his hand....Could that match up with any of BK's Scars

[dimples37398]

Mr. Bovit would be 52 yrs old now, turning 53 this year....

[Fairy1]

Wow - the eyes, chin and hairline are right on. But the nose just doesn't match up IMO. Is it possible that Benjamin's nose has its current shape due to a break? How drastically could a nose change after being broken?

ETA - does anyone know if it's possible to tell - medically - if a nose has been broken? I don't believe it would be the same as identifying a healed bone fracture. But I'm no doctor!

[believe09]

we have gone back and forth about whether or not his nose was broken, as it's shape is so distinctive. BK and I have been communicating back and forth for the last few months, and one of the things he is going to check on when time allows is what his medical records state from when he arrived in the ER 2004. Hopefully it will give us a little more info on what his injuries actually were...

I emailed the detective in charge of Mr. Bovit's case to see if the spinal surgery was actually on the base of Mr. B's spine- BK had some cervical spinal surgery, as well as skin grafts on his hands so this could be really exciting!!! I wanted to check and see if Mr. Bovit has any fingerprints on file as well, since BK's were run by the FBI....


I will post what I receive-great work sleuthers!!!!!!

[Fairy1]

we have gone back and forth about whether or not his nose was broken, as it's shape is so distinctive. BK and I have been communicating back and forth for the last few months, and one of the things he is going to check on when time allows is what his medical records state from when he arrived in the ER 2004. Hopefully it will give us a little more info on what his injuries actually were...

I emailed the detective in charge of Mr. Bovit's case to see if the spinal surgery was actually on the base of Mr. B's spine- BK had some cervical spinal surgery, as well as skin grafts on his hands so this could be really exciting!!! I wanted to check and see if Mr. Bovit has any fingerprints on file as well, since BK's were run by the FBI....


I will post what I receive-great work sleuthers!!!!!!

Thank you believe!!! This is exciting. Did I read correctly that Mr. Bovit has just recently been reported as missing? Wow - been a long time! Looking so forward to hearing what you find out!!!

[redsox39]

This is a case I lurked on for a LONG time, I would love to see us help identify a "living" unidentified person! Good luck!

Jrod

[dimples37398]

Here is a link to a side by side that I did....This is of Mr. Bovit, and BK, side by side.

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bkbovit1fj3.jpg

[Fairy1]

Here is a link to a side by side that I did....This is of Mr. Bovit, and BK, side by side.

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bkbovit1fj3.jpg

Great job dimples! But seeing them side-by-side, now I have my doubts. BK's eyes are set closer and I just don't feel the differences in the nose could have resulted from a break. What do you think?

[Salem]

Here is a link to a side by side that I did....This is of Mr. Bovit, and BK, side by side.

http://img149.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bkbovit1fj3.jpg


I like these pictures. This is exciting! The eyebrows and shape of the chin is very similar. So is the receding hairline. And then with the medical stuff...... I have my fingers crossed!

Salem

[bluestarzz]

yes, as my previous post, benjaman's case has haunted me for a while...so exciting to prove a "living" idenity. i think that he could be mr bovit, his eyebrows "scrunched' but that could be age lines.....wish the best of luck on this lead !
bluestarzz

[jen_renee]

I just wanted to add my contribution. The work everybody does here is just amazing. I love to work in Photoshop. So I worked on this tonight. My version of BK age regressed. I hope someone might find it helpful.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/BKageregression.jpg

[RKnowley]

Sorry, I must have been slacking off here. It looks like Dimples got the side by side done for Russ Bovit & Benjaman Kyle. Good work Dimples.

[Fairy1]

I just wanted to add my contribution. The work everybody does here is just amazing. I love to work in Photoshop. So I worked on this tonight. My version of BK age regressed. I hope someone might find it helpful.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/BKageregression.jpg

Nice work jen_renee! May I ask you your thoughts on Mr. Bovit?

[Julessleuther]

How exciting to come here and see that someone else saw what I did in this guy. I am glad to see there is progress. I do agree, the noses are different, but maybe in the course of his disappearance, he did something to it. Maybe he was in a car accident, partially remembered where he lived, went back (thus the blood), but then left because the head injury and amnesia set in?

What about this guy--he was just posted in missing/identified:

http://www.dps.state.vt.us/vtsp/missing/bovit.htm

[Fairy1]

How exciting to come here and see that someone else saw what I did in this guy. I am glad to see there is progress. I do agree, the noses are different, but maybe in the course of his disappearance, he did something to it. Maybe he was in a car accident, partially remembered where he lived, went back (thus the blood), but then left because the head injury and amnesia set in?

Sure could be Jules. We'll see what happens here. There are definitely some compelling similiarities.

[jen_renee]

Fairy1, my opinion on Mr. Bovit is that it probably isn't BK. There are several things that stand out to me. 1) Obviously the difference in the nose. Not only is the bridge of the nose different, but also the tip. Bovit seems to be much more rounded and shorter at the tip, and BK's looks pointier and longer. 2) The spacing between the eyes is different. 3) What looks to be their natural hair part is different. 4) I also think BK's face is longer than Botvit's.

I'm an artist. I draw portraits. I have a knack for faces. My eye says that BK is not Mr. Bovit.

If I get time tonight I can overlap their faces in Photoshop, and post it.

[believe09]

Fairy1, my opinion on Mr. Bovit is that it probably isn't BK. There are several things that stand out to me. 1) Obviously the difference in the nose. Not only is the bridge of the nose different, but also the tip. Bovit seems to be much more rounded and shorter at the tip, and BK's looks pointier and longer. 2) The spacing between the eyes is different. 3) What looks to be their natural hair part is different. 4) I also think BK's face is longer than Botvit's.

I'm an artist. I draw portraits. I have a knack for faces. My eye says that BK is not Mr. Bovit.

If I get time tonight I can overlap their faces in Photoshop, and post it.

OH MY Goodness, thank you for posting and welcome to WS!!! We are blessed to have you. What great resources we have between all of you with such keen eyes. I have some other photos of prospective matches for BK that are outside of Charley Project and Doe network. I will try to get them posted today to get all of your thoughts on potential similarities. I am waiting for the results of DNA on one of them, but I am torn regarding similarity and differences.....

[Salem]

Fairy1, my opinion on Mr. Bovit is that it probably isn't BK. There are several things that stand out to me. 1) Obviously the difference in the nose. Not only is the bridge of the nose different, but also the tip. Bovit seems to be much more rounded and shorter at the tip, and BK's looks pointier and longer. 2) The spacing between the eyes is different. 3) What looks to be their natural hair part is different. 4) I also think BK's face is longer than Botvit's.

I'm an artist. I draw portraits. I have a knack for faces. My eye says that BK is not Mr. Bovit.

If I get time tonight I can overlap their faces in Photoshop, and post it.

JenRenee,

I see what you are saying about the nose. BK's has very distinctive nostrils. But, do you think the difference in the bridge area of the nose could be due to a loss of weight in the face? I think Mr. Bovit is the closest we have gotten so far.

And welcome to WS!

This sounds pretty far fetched, but what are the chances that BK had some facial surgery? From the pictures he looks perfectly natural to me, but I'm on expert on this stuff ........

Salem

[believe09]

JenRenee,

I see what you are saying about the nose. BK's has very distinctive nostrils. But, do you think the difference in the bridge area of the nose could be due to a loss of weight in the face? I think Mr. Bovit is the closest we have gotten so far.

And welcome to WS!

This sounds pretty far fetched, but what are the chances that BK had some facial surgery? From the pictures he looks perfectly natural to me, but I'm on expert on this stuff ........

Salem

One of the challenges I have had from the get-go is BK's weight...he was listed at 245 or so I believe when he was found and 5'11". He is actually thinner now by about 20 lbs. Most of the guys we have seen on the missing networks have run between 160 and 200 lbs. Now, I have heard and read that your nose can thin out with age, and that I believe and have witnessed. But to go from a rounded tip to a sharp tip?? To me, it looks like the bridge of BK's nose has been broken, but that is just personal opinion, not because I am a medical professional.

Correct me if I am wrong Jen Renee and Dimples, but one thing that does not change is the space between the nose and the upper lip, correct?

[jen_renee]

Thanks for the welcome!

I don't believe that the tip of his nose would differ that much from weight loss or from having it broken. The bridge could differ from having it broken, but I still don't think that it would change that much from weight loss. I also don't think the space between his nose and upper lip would change either. Hopefully I can get time to sit down tonight and work on it in Photoshop.

[shipmatekate]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=235103445

I think the resemblence is amazing!

[believe09]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=235103445

I think the resemblence is amazing!

Agreed, but BK was found 8/2004....

[shipmatekate]

Agreed, but BK was found 8/2004....

I guess I got a little too excited there! Sorry!

But the resembelence is amazing!

[believe09]

I guess I got a little too excited there! Sorry!

But the resembelence is amazing!

Anyone care to check and see if he has an older brother who is missing or otherwise unaccounted for? I am being serious-you never know what is going to break the back of this one....

[dimples37398]

I have refered to in the past this article as to the changes of physical appearances with age, for other cases I was following at the time. I think there are some things in this article that might explain some of the differences in BK and Bovit..

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2000/taister.htm

Certain facial features in both individuals, such as the eyebrows, nose, lips, ears, and chin, are relatively stable in appearance throughout the aging process, though the nose and ears do change slightly in size and shape with age (Feik and Glover 1998; Macho 1986; Subtelny 1959).


Evidence of biological aging usually appears between the ages of twenty and thirty (Kolb 1998b; Novick 1988), with physical changes first visible in the upper portion of the face. Horizontal creases develop in the forehead and the upper eyelids begin to droop, emphasizing the superior orbital groove and causing the eyes to appear smaller and more deeply set (Kolb 1998a; Neave 1988).

Nasolabial grooves—laugh lines—and lateral orbital lines, commonly called crow's-feet, develop and deepen with increased age (Guy et al. 1977). Lines around the mouth, or circumoral striae, become apparent, and lines from the edge of the nose to the lateral part of the mouth will progressively deepen. With the onset of these changes there may also be a hollowing of the cheek area below the inferior border of the zygomatic arch, or cheekbone (Neave 1998).

By age fifty, more fine lines develop in other areas of the face, the skin becomes thinner with a tendency to sag (Macho 1986; Novick 1988), and wrinkles start to appear on the neck (Neave 1988).

[shipmatekate]

Anyone care to check and see if he has an older brother who is missing or otherwise unaccounted for? I am being serious-you never know what is going to break the back of this one....

True enough!
It is an uncanny look a like

[fox1950]

I just wanted to add my contribution. The work everybody does here is just amazing. I love to work in Photoshop. So I worked on this tonight. My version of BK age regressed. I hope someone might find it helpful.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/BKageregression.jpg Your work is amazing. Is there anyway you could do age progression? I have a picture of a boy that came up missing and I would love for you to progress him to around 25-30 years old-to see if he matches a picture of someone who is suppose to be him. I can pm you the picture. Thanks!

[jen_renee]

Fox, I can certainly give it a try.

[fox1950]

Fox, I can certainly give it a try. Thanks-I will pm the picture to you.

[fox1950]

Thanks-I will pm the picture to you. It will not let me insert the picture in the E-mail or PM. Would you please PM me your e-mail address and I will send you the picture. Thank you so much

[jen_renee]

Here's what I worked on tonight.


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/202282378copy-2.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/bkbovit1fj3copy-1.jpg

[Fairy1]

Here's what I worked on tonight.


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/202282378copy.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/bkbovit1fj3copy-1.jpg

Wow - you do awesome work! If this is Mr. Bovit - it seems obvious to me it's not a match. What do ya'll think?

[kittykat1]

I have to say that I do not think Mr. B is BK. It would be great if it was, but I just don't see it.

[believe09]

Here's what I worked on tonight.


http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/202282378copy-2.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff304/jen_renee_photo/bkbovit1fj3copy-1.jpg

I am in awe- you are the best...

[Salem]

I agree JenRenee, you do great work! And it does not appear that the faces match, darn it.

Believe - is there any way Dimples post about the changes in faces over time could be turned into a sticky so that it does not get buried over time and we could have it for quick reference?

Dimples - thanks for posting about the face changes. I had not seen it before and found it very informative.

Salem

[vtgirl]

The local television in Vermont is running a series on unsolved missing person cases in Vermont. Two nights ago, one of the subjects was Mr. Bovit. Go to WCAX.com and follow the links.

[Julessleuther]

Has anyone contacted VT police about this guy? On the news report there is another picture, but it is blurry, so I cannot make a comparison. Perhaps if we had a more clear picture to compare it to. I will contact if noone else has. One thing I have to note it that although the nose is a different shape, the chin shape is the same, they both have a dimple, they both have receding hairline, and the eye brows are the same. The side by side is not exactly the same because it appears that the chin was being matched up, but the bridge of the nose is off from the other---the chin may not be alittle longer with age drooping and the heavier weight on BK.

http://www.wcax.com/global/story.asp?s=8251843

The local television in Vermont is running a series on unsolved missing person cases in Vermont. Two nights ago, one of the subjects was Mr. Bovit. Go to WCAX.com and follow the links.

[Cubby]

Does anyone know if Bovit's dna is in codis? Also, are there any age progressed pics of Bovit available?

the resemble is striking.

[Julessleuther]

Here is the other picture from the news site:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll310/Julco1/bovit.jpg

[Salem]

Jules - I think Believe has turned it in and is waiting for a reply. She posted on page 6 (I think or page 5).

Salem

[believe09]

Does anyone know if Bovit's dna is in codis? Also, are there any age progressed pics of Bovit available?

the resemble is striking.

I am going to call on Monday and make sure they got my request to check Mr. bovit against BK...

:)

[bluestarzz]

who are you calling? to check bk against boivit?
i never got a call back from the fbi agent listed for bk

bluestarzz

[believe09]

who are you calling? to check bk against boivit?
i never got a call back from the fbi agent listed for bk

bluestarzz


I am calling VT, friend. Yup, I feel ya experience with FBI Bill...as I call him.

[mjak]

Wow, what a resembalance!!

mjak

[bluestarzz]

have you heard anything beleive09?
so hoping for a resolution.....
bluestarzz

[Fairy1]

Moved to where????????????????????????

[fmw63]

Probably unlikely, but still... A restaurant in Wilmette, IL called "The Noodle" has a manager named Kyle Benjamin, with no photo there like the other managers...

http://www.thenoodlecafe.com/private%20dining.htm

[Cubby]

Probably unlikely, but still... A restaurant in Wilmette, IL called "The Noodle" has a manager named Kyle Benjamin, with no photo there like the other managers...

http://www.thenoodlecafe.com/private%20dining.htm


found a pic of the above Kyle Benjamin here, (he has a lot of hair! lol)
http://depotnuevo.com/blog/2007/10/22/hello-world/

[believe09]

I left a message for LE this morning-hopefully he will call me back...

[believe09]

Det Cushing says he has some hold back information that is not available to the general public about Mr. Bovit, and that there is no way Russ Bovit and Benjaman are the same person....

Another one bites the dust, as they say!!!

[fmw63]

found a pic of the above Kyle Benjamin here, (he has a lot of hair! lol)
http://depotnuevo.com/blog/2007/10/22/hello-world/


hehehehehe:crazy: oh well...

[believe09]

I posted this under Mr. Kyle's memories-who would like to jump on it for me?????

Hugs-

Hi Everyone-I received a tip today that Benjaman may have attended University of Denver or Boulder in Colorado, and that there is a chance his DOB is close to 1948. No information still on name or even major. Does anyone want to take this and run with it...even trying to see if we can get any year books? I am in the middle of a couple weeks of insanity, so I cannot run with this one by myself. His build is pretty athletic, so it might be worthwhile to see if they had football or wrestling-we would be looking at a graduation date of around 1968 or 1969 I would think...

Thoughts?

[Fairy1]

I posted this under Mr. Kyle's memories-who would like to jump on it for me?????

Hugs-

Hi Everyone-I received a tip today that Benjaman may have attended University of Denver or Boulder in Colorado, and that there is a chance his DOB is close to 1948. No information still on name or even major. Does anyone want to take this and run with it...even trying to see if we can get any year books? I am in the middle of a couple weeks of insanity, so I cannot run with this one by myself. His build is pretty athletic, so it might be worthwhile to see if they had football or wrestling-we would be looking at a graduation date of around 1968 or 1969 I would think...

Thoughts?

I just dabbled around in the University of CO @ Boulder website and they actually have a missing alumni page. The problem is, they're listed by name, which isn't really helpful here. Does BK have any type of accent at all? Southern, Midwestern, Eastern, etc? It would be somewhat helpful if we could narrow it down. On the other hand, we live in such a mobile and transient society, I'm not sure that would even help. My daughter goes to college in Colorado, we're from Nevada and I am quite certain she will not plant her roots there or here!

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is the U Of C website for the 68-69 roster of football players.
https://www.nmnathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3845&SPID=255&DB_OEM_ID=600&Q_SEASON=1968

It gives the height and weight which could be helpful.

Basketball: http://www.cubuffs.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3891&SPID=257&DB_OEM_ID=600&KEY=&Q_SEASON=1968

[Fairy1]

Here is the U Of C website for the 68-69 roster of football players.
https://www.nmnathletics.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3845&SPID=255&DB_OEM_ID=600&Q_SEASON=1968

It gives the height and weight which could be helpful.

Basketball: http://www.cubuffs.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3891&SPID=257&DB_OEM_ID=600&KEY=&Q_SEASON=1968

If he was born in 1948...he graduated HS in 1965-66. So you could start looking in 66-67 for college sports.

Without photos, I feel it's an exercise in futility to even go down this road. Not to mention we're basing the search totally on BK's "memories." There must be a more fruitful way to spend our energy?!?!?! Ahhhhh! So frustrating! :banghead:

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know..I went through a lot of them by putting in the name, the state they were from and the word missing. I narrowed it down by his height. He probably hasn't grown since college. :)

[Julessleuther]

I posted this in the memories thread, but I have already sent an email to the alumni coordinator for the class of 1968. I will post any response I receive.

[believe09]

thank you everyone for hopping on this, and I will be interested to hear from the alumni coordinator.

I received a whole lot of interest last year from Indiana colleges being willing to post his picture or flyer on the alumni website. If any of you get through to a live person, ask if they will consider doing the same....sort of a "Do you recognize this man" type thing...

To me BK definitely speaks with a distinct accent that is not from the northeast or the south. no broad A, no hint of Canadian influence and no distinct NJ, PA or NY. I think it is realistic to think he might be from Illinois/Indiana/Colorado. There are some links that have video of him talking so that might help some of you-I will try and gather some and post them here as a bump.

He seems to have knowledge of restaurant design, engineering or management...perhaps electrical engineering but it might be a stretch. he is familiar with building and electrical codes somewhat, so when you are talking to the schools, keep in mind any programs they might have had that supported that education....

:blowkiss:

[fmw63]

Anybody know how to contact BK?

[christine2448]

Anybody know how to contact BK?

Yes, we (Lighting the Way Home) are working with him....why?

[SeriouslySearching]

Did anyone ever bother to check with the Professor Benjamin Kyle? If not, I definitely think it needs to be done.

[Fairy1]

Did anyone ever bother to check with the Professor Benjamin Kyle? If not, I definitely think it needs to be done.

IIRC it's Prof. Kyle Benjamin. I do recall he's been contacted, but I may be mistaken...??? Does anyone know for certain?

[SeekingJana]

thank you everyone for hopping on this, and I will be interested to hear from the alumni coordinator.

I received a whole lot of interest last year from Indiana colleges being willing to post his picture or flyer on the alumni website. If any of you get through to a live person, ask if they will consider doing the same....sort of a "Do you recognize this man" type thing...

To me BK definitely speaks with a distinct accent that is not from the northeast or the south. no broad A, no hint of Canadian influence and no distinct NJ, PA or NY. I think it is realistic to think he might be from Illinois/Indiana/Colorado. There are some links that have video of him talking so that might help some of you-I will try and gather some and post them here as a bump.

He seems to have knowledge of restaurant design, engineering or management...perhaps electrical engineering but it might be a stretch. he is familiar with building and electrical codes somewhat, so when you are talking to the schools, keep in mind any programs they might have had that supported that education....

:blowkiss:

Throwing out some thoughts from a new perspective, since I have not posted on his case before now:


First, he is said to have a " Regional Accent". WHICH region, please???

He was found with " blinding cataracts". Has his vision been restored? IOW, is he able to see material which might be sent to him?


Upon reading his DOE page again, with a description of a man with an above average IQ and a description of his demeanor,combined with his memories of the state of Indiana, and my impressions from looking at his photos, I would strongly suggest looking at Purdue alumni, Schools of Engineering.
Purdue is world- renowned for their Aerospace Engineering school, for example. Their other Engineering programs are just as rigorous and held in high esteem, I would imagine.


The plated arm and cervical neck fusion- Could he have been a " weekend warrior" amateur race car driver in Indiana? MANY engineers chose either flying airplanes they build themselves or racing a home- built car as a hobby. We know it's an extremely popular sport.. maybe he has used a track in Indy at some point, or crashed in Indy and had surgery there.. It would make for interesting conversation later on " I remember the weekend I crashed into the rear wall at Indy". ( not THAT track).


This guy has " the look" of an engineer to me, and the intelligence to go with it. I would look at Purdue's available male undergraduate and graduate photos from 68-76.
Edited to add, it may be counter-productive to say this, but I see absolutely no resemblance between this amnesia victim and the retired Professor Benjamin Kyle. IF the elderly gentleman is approached, I hope it is with great sensitivity.

IF I lived closer to Indiana, I would definitely do the Purdue work myself as I have a very strong feeling about it..
Respectfully,
Maria

[christine2448]

Excellent post SJ! I think your ideas are good ones...I will start looking and hope others will too.

[christine2448]

This guy has " the look" of an engineer to me, and the intelligence to go with it. I would look at Purdue's available male undergraduate and graduate photos from 68-76.


Starting here:

https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECE/People/Alumni/WallOfFame/Classes

[christine2448]

So far I have looked through 1968-1971...not one 'jumped' out at me....but here are a few that I'd like to compare side by side....but, don't think any are him...I really stink at these.

I really would like more than 1,2 of us to go through these pics on Purdue's page. My memory is awful, w/o having the pics side by side it's hard for me...

Here are a few....??

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1971KEVINBRUCEBLAIR.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1971CRAIGWILLIAMS.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1971CHRISJAMESPERCIVAL.jpg

[christine2448]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1971ANTONSGECAN.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1970PETRITZ.jpg

[christine2448]

Nope, now looking back at Mr Kyle's pic....none of them I don't believe even resemble him. ugh

[christine2448]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973BRUCEKENTMCCORMICK.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973ROBERTFREDERICKFRENCH.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973WILLIAMALFREDSAMUELSON.jpg

[christine2448]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1975EDWARDJOSEPHKEAY.jpg

[LionRun]

Christine, I am not quoting the pic I want to ask you about because it will take forever with my dial up to do it--sorry:). I see a possible resemblance in the pic on the far left in post 197.

[christine2448]

Me too Lion! That one I kept staring at....BK's nose seems thinner, but, that could happen with age...?

[LionRun]

Me too Lion! That one I kept staring at....his nose seems thinner, but, that could happen with age...?


I think that the overall shape of that man's(far left post 197) nose does work; however, the man has more flesh and fat on his nose than Benjaman. The nose is one thing that continues to grow, albeit slowly throughout our lives. But, at the same time fat tends to decrease in our our face as we age.

Didn't Benjaman either break his nose or have an injury to his nose? If the noses were blatantly different I would say that the two noses are too dissimilar. But, I think there is enough of a resemblance to warrant looking further, especially because I think the eyes, facial structure, mouth, and the way he holds his jaw are somewhat similar to pics of Benjaman.

[Cubby]

I think that the overall shape of that man's(far left post 197) nose does work; however, the man has more flesh and fat on his nose than Benjaman. The nose is one thing that continues to grow, albeit slowly throughout our lives. But, at the same time fat tends to decrease in our our face as we age.

Didn't Benjaman either break his nose or have an injury to his nose? If the noses were blatantly different I would say that the two noses are too dissimilar. But, I think there is enough of a resemblance to warrant looking further, especially because I think the eyes, facial structure, mouth, and the way he holds his jaw are somewhat similar to pics of Benjaman.


I have to agree I see a very strong resemblence as well. Especially in the eye area. Almost eerie. Wow! Great job Christine!

[phenolred]

WOW i THINK these 2 look like very good possibilities

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...TMCCORMICK.jpg (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973BRUCEKENTMCCORMICK.jpg) http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSAMUELSON.jpg (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973WILLIAMALFREDSAMUELSON.jpg)

[phenolred]

omg what about Him from 1968
https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECE/People/Alumni/WallOfFame/Classes/1968/159/alter?width=140&height=204


here is another link for ya, for Purdue yearbooks

http://earchives.lib.purdue.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=aull&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=all

[Cubby]

What about this one?

https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECE/People/Alumni/WallOfFame/Classes/1972/268/view

[ttrachel04]

WOW i THINK these 2 look like very good possibilities

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...TMCCORMICK.jpg (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973BRUCEKENTMCCORMICK.jpg) http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/a...DSAMUELSON.jpg (http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973WILLIAMALFREDSAMUELSON.jpg)


WOW ... especially the first !!!!!!!!!!!

[RKnowley]

Is there anymore information about these guys on the website where you found their pictures? Do say for example, this guy was from the Class of 1973. Do we know approximately what year he would have been born??



http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1973BRUCEKENTMCCORMICK.jpg

[dottierainbow]

He's good looking if you ask me!:oWOW ... especially the first !!!!!!!!!!!

[christine2448]

I named their pictures w/name and year of graduation....

Run your mouse over the pic, right click, choose properties, will give you name and year they are showing in pic.

Some guys are shown in more than one year..so maybe higher degrees?

[SeekingJana]

[quote=phenolred;2265446]omg what about Him from 1968
https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECE/People/Alumni/WallOfFame/Classes/1968/159/alter?width=140&height=204

THIS MAN is the closest to who I would expect a young composite to look like.
I am working on personal experience here.. I dated a young man 30 years ago who has MANY of the mystery man's facial features, and I recently saw him for the first time in 30 years. It was very interesting to see how he has aged, wrinkle patterns, hair pattern, etc.
His nose, chin and eyes were virtually the same.

Of course, this Purdue graduate may well be alive and well in his family and community, I hope he is.. But he looks more like BK than anyone I have seen to date.

JMO. I think we are looking for a young man who was ALWAYS thin, always a bit " rangy" looking vs "plump" or " athletic" looking, and who probably had a receeding hairline by his mid-20's.. which may or may not show up in yearbooks, depending on the age of the student, of course.

:blowkiss:
Maria

[SeekingJana]

I named their pictures w/name and year of graduation....

Run your mouse over the pic, right click, choose properties, will give you name and year they are showing in pic.

Some guys are shown in more than one year..so maybe higher degrees?

Chris, straight from Purdue: they can be photographed for the year's yearbook as underclassmen in fraternity and organizational photos ( group shots). Only the Graduating Class had the formal portrait photos ( Senior, 4th year students), as well as the advanced degree students in Graduate Schools at Purdue.. depending upon the year, some are single photos, some are group shots.
Purdue has very strong Graduate programs for Engineering. I am sure they did in the 60's and 70's. These guys will be anywhere from their mid 20's to early 40's ( no joke). Many guys with a Bachelor's in Engineering went back to school at some point, not necessarily right after graduation with their Bachelor's degree, and got a Master's in a specialty area- especially Aerospace Engineering, when the Space and Aeronautical sector became a lucrative field in the late 60's forward.

Since Graduate School is so expensive, and since some, if not many Purdue students put themselves through grad. school by working and saving, or going to school part time while working, there can be a very wide range of ages seen in the Graduate School photos. I know it's confusing, but since we are looking at a living person looking for an ID and since most of the people we look at in the yearbooks will NOT be missing or UID in any way, it may be easier than we think right now. Thank goodness. :)

[Salem]

http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1971ANTONSGECAN.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/lightingthewayhome/1970PETRITZ.jpg

I like the 2nd one in this post. Petritz. Check out the ears and eyes.

Salem

[dimples37398]

This ones eyes are pretty close too...

https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECE/People/Alumni/WallOfFame/Classes/1972/257/view

[Salem]

I have a question..... When comparing pictures, I automatically discount possibles based on the moustache. BK has a solid moustache across the upper lip. Some possibles show a gap in the moustache just under the nose. In my mind, I think that a moustache would always grow the same -the gap is a "natural" component of that particular person's moustache. How does everyone else look at the moustache? Does the moustache's particular characteristics change over time?

I'm afraid I may be discounting possibles too quickly. I looked at the picture dimples posted and I see many similarities with BK, but found myself quickly discounting it because of the moustache - which may be absolutely the wrong thing to do.

I wonder if moustache growth is on Wikipedia? I'll go look.

Salem

[SieSie]

Side-By-Side Comparison for Bruce McCormick (from Christine's post #197) has been added to the photo thread HE