Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #3

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[Indy Gal]

Thanks Chico

Thread 1
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58274


Thread 2
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58429

Timeline
http://www.charlotte.com/204/story/443403.html

[Pharlap]

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Great timeline!

http://www.charlotte.com/204/story/443403.html

[ipswitch]

Thanks chico!

I'm trying to rewatch the presser...but I'm having a hard time hearing all of it thru the computer speakers.

I'll keep yall updated with what I can transcribe.

[panthera]

Thanks chico! :)

[Ticamom]

Thanks ipswitch !

I am trying to wait patiently til Geraldo or NG comes on tv tonight. What I can't believe is that no one has sighted Laurean yet . Where can he be ? Is anyone sure that he is originally from Mexico ? Or could he have taken a quick plane early yesterday morning to another latinamerican country ? Or perhaps he went in the opposite direction, to Canada ? :confused:



I just hope that they catch that POS coward. :furious:

[ipswitch]

You know, after reading the timeline, something I had a lightbulb moment.

If it was a military protection order, it's entirely possible that Cpl POS* did have Maria's SS#. Whenever a military doc is filled out, the SS# is on it. They are *supposed* to black it out, but it doesn't always happen. (Trust me, I've seen it happen many times)

Now, if Maria was like a lot of "green" marines, and used the last 4 of the social as her pin, and was using the navy credit union, (which IIRC was the place the card was used after she disappeared) then if Cpl POS knew the last 4 of the social, and figured out that it was her pin.

Just thinking off the top of my head...I hope it makes sense

*(I'm sorry, but that's what I keep calling him in my head)

[Indy Gal]

For months after a pregnant 20-year-old Marine accused a colleague of rape, her family says, she continued to work alongside her attacker and endured harassment at Camp Lejeune.
In the weeks after she disappeared, they believe, the sheriff's department was slow to act.
As authorities recovered Maria Lauterbach's remains Saturday from a fire pit where they suspect Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean burned and buried her body, her family asked why authorities didn't treat her case with greater urgency.
Naval investigators on Saturday said the pair had been separated on the job, a rape case was progressing and Laurean was under a protective order to stay away from Lauterbach. And Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown insisted his department acted as best they could on the facts available.
"As soon as it went suspicious, we contacted the media and asked for help," Brown said. "The case did not produce enough evidence, other than she was just missing."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jLAxQfkotgyOSgs3LXmXYW6hy6PgD8U4L8JG0

[KOOL LOOK]

You know, after reading the timeline, something I had a lightbulb moment.

If it was a military protection order, it's entirely possible that Cpl POS* did have Maria's SS#. Whenever a military doc is filled out, the SS# is on it. They are *supposed* to black it out, but it doesn't always happen. (Trust me, I've seen it happen many times)

Now, if Maria was like a lot of "green" marines, and used the last 4 of the social as her pin, and was using the navy credit union, (which IIRC was the place the card was used after she disappeared) then if Cpl POS knew the last 4 of the social, and figured out that it was her pin.

Just thinking off the top of my head...I hope it makes sense

*(I'm sorry, but that's what I keep calling him in my head)

Agreed, most definately in civilian and military documents socials are exchanged. Another thought just popped in my head, darn it. I also believe females are great at figuring out pin numbers, etc... Girls do that kind of thing, ya know?

[KOOL LOOK]

For months after a pregnant 20-year-old Marine accused a colleague of rape, her family says, she continued to work alongside her attacker and endured harassment at Camp Lejeune.
In the weeks after she disappeared, they believe, the sheriff's department was slow to act.
As authorities recovered Maria Lauterbach's remains Saturday from a fire pit where they suspect Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean burned and buried her body, her family asked why authorities didn't treat her case with greater urgency.
Naval investigators on Saturday said the pair had been separated on the job, a rape case was progressing and Laurean was under a protective order to stay away from Lauterbach. And Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown insisted his department acted as best they could on the facts available.
"As soon as it went suspicious, we contacted the media and asked for help," Brown said. "The case did not produce enough evidence, other than she was just missing."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jLAxQfkotgyOSgs3LXmXYW6hy6PgD8U4L8JG0


That's correct sheriff brown, because the one or ones that had the evidence was L and Christine, that's why it wasn't going anywhere fast. Might explain why all of a sudden L left town, a getaway alibi cnfession of suicide and christine's call came about to begin with and only then. The media picked up on it. Hmmmmmmmmmmmm no one was tellin prior to.

[paddy01]

Thanks Indy Gal for timeline, I like to print it out so I can go over everything throughly. I think I've become obsessed by this case.

ipswitch, I love the name Cpl. POS, it certainly suits him, I'm going to use it!

[TGIRecovered]

I copied this from the last thread...I posted it right before the new thread was started.

Quote:
Originally Posted by JDB http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1905818#post1905818)
More then likely to remove any doubtthat Maria either delivered the baby or Someone cut the baby out. He want everyone to know the baby was with Mom.


I'm catching up on reading this afternoon's posts, so please forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

I think that if the baby was inside the mother's womb when the body was set on fire it would have been one of the last parts to burn. Sheriff said that the baby's tiny fist was burnt off of the rest of the body. How would that be possible if the baby's entire body was inside the womb full of amniotic fluid and placenta?

Makes me wonder if the baby may have been delivered and placed in the pit under the mom's tummy area so as to make it appear to have been in utero when the body was burned.

Also, I believe that if the mom was beaten or placed under intense stress, the baby may have been delivered prematurely as a result.

Sorry for the graphic description, don't know how else to describe it.

What do you all think? Any OB nurses here?

Susan

[Indy Gal]

I think the baby had not been born yet, but dont know for sure.

ETA Off to bed night yall!!

[panthera]

Thanks ipswitch !

I am trying to wait patiently til Geraldo or NG comes on tv tonight. What I can't believe is that no one has sighted Laurean yet . Where can he be ? Is anyone sure that he is originally from Mexico ? Or could he have taken a quick plane early yesterday morning to another latinamerican country ? Or perhaps he went in the opposite direction, to Canada ? :confused:



I just hope that they catch that POS coward. :furious:
You know, I thought maybe he went in a different direction than LE would assume. He was last from Nevada (where his parents are), but that's a long trip and one of the first places LE would look. Mexico is also where they'd be looking. So maybe Florida and then down to one of the islands? I think he'd try to go somewhere he'd blend in easily.

[Mohabi]

Makes me wonder if the baby may have been delivered and placed in the pit under the mom's tummy area so as to make it appear to have been in utero when the body was burned.

Also, I believe that if the mom was beaten or placed under intense stress, the baby may have been delivered prematurely as a result.

Sorry for the graphic description, don't know how else to describe it.

What do you all think? Any OB nurses here?

Susan

I recall the Sheriff saying "the fetus was found near the abdomen" (or something to that extent), therefore I think your theory could be true.... since he didn't say "in the abdomen"

[panthera]

I think the baby had not been born yet, but dont know for sure.

ETA Off to bed night yall!!
Good night IndyGal! :)

[s_finch]

Thanks ipswitch !

I am trying to wait patiently til Geraldo or NG comes on tv tonight. What I can't believe is that no one has sighted Laurean yet . Where can he be ? Is anyone sure that he is originally from Mexico ? Or could he have taken a quick plane early yesterday morning to another latinamerican country ? Or perhaps he went in the opposite direction, to Canada ? :confused:



I just hope that they catch that POS coward. :furious:

Hi everyone,

Just a thought here, we don't know for sure Laurean is still alive. If his
wife was in on the first murder (which seems highly likely) what's to say she didn't off him. If he's never found it'll be much easier for her to escape prosecution, she'd have no one to testify against her. And if she's sick enough to have been in on the first murder she's surely evil enough to get rid of hubby (course sounds like hubby isn't a prize to begin with).

[TGIRecovered]

I understand that the Sheriff said that charges could not be filed for the baby's death at this time, but if it was later found that the baby was born alive, then burned, capital murder charges would apply for the baby.

To me, this sounds like a sufficient motive for the killer to try to make it appear that the baby had died before birth.

I just don't think that the fire would burn in such a precise manner that all of the flesh around the baby's fist would burn away, leaving tiny fingers exposed in the shape of the fist. That would be like expecting that one would be able to identify each internal organ seperately, instead of a charred mass of flesh all fused together. I would never expect, for instance to find body which someone tried to creamate and be able to see the heart or lungs sticking out, still in the shape that they were in before.

Susan

[KarainTexas]

Is it weird at all that the morning/night before she was to be bringing evidence to LE she logged on to her myspace ... and take a look at her mood. "Argumentative" Now her mood could have been that for weeks...but its strange that she logged on with in at least a 12 hr period of her world crashing down...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=79006569

I think we were pretty certain that this is the wife, right?

[panthera]

Hi everyone,

Just a thought here, we don't know for sure Laurean is still alive. If his
wife was in on the first murder (which seems highly likely) what's to say she didn't off him. If he's never found it'll be much easier for her to escape prosecution, she'd have no one to testify against her. And if she's sick enough to have been in on the first murder she's surely evil enough to get rid of hubby (course sounds like hubby isn't a prize to begin with).
:eek:
Which leads me to wonder when he was last seen or heard from by someone other than her?

[ipswitch]

http://wral.com/news/state/story/2293461/

...snip...

Lauterbach, who joined the Marines in 2006, and Laurean were personnel clerks in the 2nd Marine Logistics Group of the II Marine Expeditionary Force, based at Camp Lejeune. Neither had been sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.


Bolding and underlining mine...

If they were personnel clerks, then he certainly could have obtained her SS#.

Also, thinking along the lines of GMHilton... is it possible that before he killed her he had obtained her pin from her. Either via torture, or stalking?

Just thinking off the top of my head again, and can't get this out of it! I really don't mean to be harping on the ATM and SS#

[TGIRecovered]

Hi everyone,

Just a thought here, we don't know for sure Laurean is still alive. If his
wife was in on the first murder (which seems highly likely) what's to say she didn't off him. If he's never found it'll be much easier for her to escape prosecution, she'd have no one to testify against her. And if she's sick enough to have been in on the first murder she's surely evil enough to get rid of hubby (course sounds like hubby isn't a prize to begin with).

I don't think I would let my H off so easily if he raped someone. I might feeel like killing him, but I'd more likely let him rot in Leavenworth.

Susan

[panthera]

Is it weird at all that the morning/night before she was to be bringing evidence to LE she logged on to her myspace ... and take a look at her mood. "Argumentative" Now her mood could have been that for weeks...but its strange that she logged on with in at least a 12 hr period of her world crashing down...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=79006569

I think we were pretty certain that this is the wife, right?
This was posted over somewhere else yesterday ( the site formerly known as ctv :)) and someone said that isn't her. They'd gotten into her pictures and her boyfriend/husband has a name other than Cesar or Armando.

[KarainTexas]

Ah.... i hadnt heard that, thanks pantera!
And I am sorry for this poor innocent bystander for even thinking it was her...

[TGIRecovered]

Geraldo on FOX now....

[panthera]

Ah.... i hadnt heard that, thanks pantera!
And I am sorry for this poor innocent bystander for even thinking it was her...
It seems the one you have the link to may be pregnant, by her "nic" on myspace. Several pages on it in the evening yesterday at the "other place". :)

[KOOL LOOK]

Ah.... i hadnt heard that, thanks pantera!
And I am sorry for this poor innocent bystander for even thinking it was her...

What's the name on that profile? It didn't say. Marine brat on the way!!! Did anyone else see that. Geez, wonder how she was ruled out as being Christine then?

[BritDees]

Well if that picture on the myspace isn't his wife, then why was it just shown on Geraldo's show?

[KOOL LOOK]

Everyone I'm going nite nite, but I knowin themorn you guys are the best and I'll have the updates, cuz I don't get cable anymore. Take care, and the resolution for Maria is so very heart breaking. I pray her family be comforted in their time of need. That those who helped Maria, and those helping here on out find justice for them may they be doubly blessed. That includes the great sleuths here, I know you guys will have the goods before law enforcement. Nite.

[TGIRecovered]

Hi all!

Seems like only a few of us here. Where is everyone?

Susan

[panthera]

What's the name on that profile? It didn't say. Marine brat on the way!!! Did anyone else see that. Geez, wonder how she was ruled out as being Christine then?
I really don't know it isn't her except what I read that others posted on ctv, that someone had a way to look at her pictures and the guy in her life isn't Cesar or Armando. That's all I know! :)

Geraldo's on questioning the Sheriff and the Sheriff is getting testy/defensive with him! Even called him "Mr. Geraldo".

[BritDees]

OOPS! I just clicked on that link and it's not the same pic as I had seen yesterday. The picture that I had seen on myspace had the name Christine and it was shown on Geraldo's show.

[TGIRecovered]

Night Kool!

Susan

[panthera]

Hi all!

Seems like only a few of us here. Where is everyone?

Susan
I'll stay here for a while since I never get a chance anymore during the week! Also interested in what Geraldo has investigated. :)

[Tom'sGirl]

What's the name on that profile? It didn't say. Marine brat on the way!!! Did anyone else see that. Geez, wonder how she was ruled out as being Christine then?

There are serveral photos of her and her husband together and it isn't Cesar Laurean!

[panthera]

OOPS! I just clicked on that link and it's not the same pic as I had seen yesterday. The picture that I had seen on myspace had the name Christine and it was shown on Geraldo's show.
Now I haven't seen that, only the "Marine Brat..." one. Does CL's wife, Christine, look anything like the other girl?

[STEADFAST]

I know the case isn't funny at all. But I can't help cracking up at that sheriff keeps calling Geraldo "Mr. Feraldo."

[Mohabi]

I'm here.

I loved it when the sheriff told Geraldo "now hold it, hold it, you asked me a question and I'm gonna answer"! (Not that I think the sheriff has great conversational skills).

[paddy01]

I really don't know it isn't her except what I read that others posted on ctv, that someone had a way to look at her pictures and the guy in her life isn't Cesar or Armando. That's all I know! :)

Geraldo's on questioning the Sheriff and the Sheriff is getting testy/defensive with him! Even called him "Mr. Geraldo".

Sheriff has an attitude all right, seems a bit on the defensive! Probably tired of ppl thinking he dropped the ball, know what I mean?

[TGIRecovered]

Sheriff seems like a nice guy. I feel kind of sorry for him catching so much flack, but his excuses about not being able to talk to the suspect are awfully thin.

I'd say he should have sought a warrant as soon as he got the missing girl case and found out he already had three lawyers. He could have also talked to the POS' neighbors sooner. I'd say the bonfire was a huge clue that could have been noticed much sooner.

Susan

[panthera]

There are serveral photos of her and her husband together and it isn't Cesar Laurean!
Thanks ~ I hadn't seen them and was trying to relay heresay!

[Ticamom]

The sheriff doesn't seem to think that the wife had been involved. He keeps talking around in circles ! Finally Geraldo asked him for a yes or no , and he didn't give him a straight answer. The guy should step down and retire after this. Barney Fife indeed !

[KOOL LOOK]

Night Kool!

Susan

Goodnight Teddy Bear.

[STEADFAST]

Sheriff has an attitude all right, seems a bit on the defensive! Probably tired of ppl thinking he dropped the ball, know what I mean?

My husband works in military LE, and his opinion is that the military dropped the ball, not the locals. The locals have just recently learned of the case, and didn't even know about the rape accusations until just the other day. The way this was handled by the military from the beginning seems unsatisfactory and not according to the book from what we're hearing at this time.

[panthera]

I know the case isn't funny at all. But I can't help cracking up at that sheriff keeps calling Geraldo "Mr. Feraldo."
I'm laughing at that too! He's not going to answer what he doesn't want to and made that very clear! I was interested in what Mark was saying about the time-line for the USMC to report someone missing but he was cut off by :rolleyes: more commercials.

[TGIRecovered]

Goodnight Teddy Bear.

Do I look that poofy in these sweats?OH NO!:eek:

[Cubby]

My husband works in military LE, and his opinion is that the military dropped the ball, not the locals. The locals have just recently learned of the case, and didn't even know about the rape accusations until just the other day. The way this was handled by the military from the beginning seems unsatisfactory and not according to the book from what we're hearing at this time.


After everything I've read I agree with your DH 100%.

[STEADFAST]

The sheriff doesn't seem to think that the wife had been involved. He keeps talking around in circles ! Finally Geraldo asked him for a yes or no , and he didn't give him a straight answer. The guy should step down and retire after this. Barney Fife indeed !

I got the impression that the sheriff does think the wife is involved, but he's not going to talk about it now. He says they're still getting information in.

[boody]

That's funny-- sheriff on larry king kept calling him "Mr. Larry." It must be an affectation.

[Mohabi]

Southern politeness :)

[BritDees]

LOL what a dork I am.. I saw this myspace page and mistakingly thought it was Christina..Apparently I didn't see it said Maria.. and it is the same pic they showed on Geraldo. Obviously, since it's Maria!

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=172096514

[Ticamom]

Now Geraldo is going to move on to OJ Simpson. Man, I wanted more info on Maria. :behindbar

[panthera]

Now Geraldo is going to move on to OJ Simpson. Man, I wanted more info on Maria. :behindbar
I know but I had to get the tv back to football anyways! :) Is Greta on later tonight?

[concernedperson]

This is a case that could have been prevented in my eyes. When there are threats and the military is supposed to protect us why weren't they protecting their own? This is so troubling in light of contractor abuses overseas and in light of another female contractor who was abused. Can't we get this straight as a country? This murder was totally preventable if someone had bothered to investigate. Someone took an offhand statement and ran with that vs. making a full inquiry. Is this what we are suppose to look forward to in the future? Not even counting politics where we know that is dirty but we entrust our military to follow procedure that is written. OK, off my soapbox, but Houston we have a problem.

[s_finch]

I don't think I would let my H off so easily if he raped someone. I might feeel like killing him, but I'd more likely let him rot in Leavenworth.

Susan

True, but if you were in on the murder, or knew enough to be in deep trouble with the military (obstructing justice, etc..) and hubby was the only one who could prove you were guilty of something,,,plus add in panic, fear, maybe a bad fight with hubby ,,,and what's one more murder if it will keep you from going to jail.

[s_finch]

Southern politeness :)

Southern gentility, definitely. Everyone here is a "ma'am", "sir", "Mr.", "Mrs." or a "Miss"

[the original tez]

This is a case that could have been prevented in my eyes. When there are threats and the military is supposed to protect us why weren't they protecting their own? This is so troubling in light of contractor abuses overseas and in light of another female contractor who was abused. Can't we get this straight as a country? This murder was totally preventable if someone had bothered to investigate. Someone took an offhand statement and ran with that vs. making a full inquiry. Is this what we are suppose to look forward to in the future? Not even counting politics where we know that is dirty but we entrust our military to follow procedure that is written. OK, off my soapbox, but Houston we have a problem.

I totally agree with you. Something should have been done much sooner, and maybe this could have been prevented. I am so angry I could spit nails! And Houston we definitely have a problem!!!!!

[Pharlap]

I totally agree with you. Something should have been done much sooner, and maybe this could have been prevented. I am so angry I could spit nails! And Houston we definitely have a problem!!!!!

ditto....should of sent either of them to another command post and still have ppl watching out for her safety...

[STEADFAST]

This is a case that could have been prevented in my eyes. When there are threats and the military is supposed to protect us why weren't they protecting their own? This is so troubling in light of contractor abuses overseas and in light of another female contractor who was abused. Can't we get this straight as a country? This murder was totally preventable if someone had bothered to investigate. Someone took an offhand statement and ran with that vs. making a full inquiry. Is this what we are suppose to look forward to in the future? Not even counting politics where we know that is dirty but we entrust our military to follow procedure that is written. OK, off my soapbox, but Houston we have a problem.

Someone?

According to Camp Lejeune's official web site, these are the commanders responsible for Lauterbach's safety from a member of their commands and as a member of their commands. Decisions such as not putting either Lauterbach or Laurean on temporary duty elsewhere, not initiating search for Lauterbach, etc. would be their responsibility.
Col. David M. Smith, Commanding Officer, Combat Logistics Regiment 27
Col. Steven J. Thompson, Commanding Officer, II Marine Logistics Group

[chiperoni]

I also think something should have been done sooner when she was raped. According to Dr. Boudin the DNA of the fetus could have been gotten a lot sooner by the military. Wasn't she about ready to go to court on the rape charges? Another question is what about her step-mother who said maria was bipolar and a compulsive liar? Then Maria's best friend appeared on "Mr. Feraldo" and said she was perfectly normal. Was Maria being harassed by peers since her rape charges? Was she really friendly with her accused rapist after the rape or was she so fragile that she thought she better be friendly. Is that why she moved off base and rented a room from a fellow marine? These are all questions I have.

[glezell]

I don't know if privacy issues have changed things, but when dh was in navy, his SS# was on his dogtags...

[ipswitch]

I don't know if privacy issues have changed things, but when dh was in navy, his SS# was on his dogtags...

They still have SS#'s on their dog tags (yes, I just went and checked hubbys ;))

[KR2tonenow]

Thanks Chico

Thread 1
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58274


Thread 2
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58429

Timeline
http://www.charlotte.com/204/story/443403.html

The Timeline clearly spells this out! TY

[kato]

I really don't know it isn't her except what I read that others posted on ctv, that someone had a way to look at her pictures and the guy in her life isn't Cesar or Armando. That's all I know! :)

Geraldo's on questioning the Sheriff and the Sheriff is getting testy/defensive with him! Even called him "Mr. Geraldo".


I noticed the sheriff calls everyone by their 1st name. He was calling Larry King "Mr. Larry" last night.

[TGIRecovered]

I find it frustrating that there have been no statements at all from the families of the POS and his wife.

If my daughter or sister were married to him you can bet I'd be talking! I'd be hunting him down myself!

Why is his family not appealing for him to come forward? If they believe he is innocent, surely they don't want this to end in some kind of standoff with the police or a fatal car chase. There can be no good outcome if he continues to run. Surely they can't condone his concealing the death even if they don't think he raped her.

Did anyone read my theory about the baby's being placed near the mom's abdomen after it was born and before the body was burned? No one has commented...

Susan

[kato]

I know but I had to get the tv back to football anyways! :) Is Greta on later tonight?


No Greta on weekends. There maybe something on "The Lineup" with KG at 9 CST

[panthera]

I find it frustrating that there have been no statements at all from the families of the POS and his wife.

If my daughter or sister were married to him you can bet I'd be talking! I'd be hunting him down myself!

Why is his family not appealing for him to come forward? If they believe he is innocent, surely they don't want this to end in some kind of standoff with the police or a fatal car chase. There can be no good outcome if he continues to run. Surely they can't condone his concealing the death even if they don't think he raped her.

Did anyone read my theory about the baby's being placed near the mom's abdomen after it was born and before the body was burned? No one has commented...

Susan
The only thing I read was at msnbc.com and Christine's mother said she was "heartbroken". I'm sorry, I did see your post, but when we switched threads I forgot to reply :( I'm sure the ME will be able to tell if the baby had been born. I'm curious too if Maria was killed that day (the day after she talked with her mom, Dec. 14) or if she was alive for a while afterward in their house, or when she was taken out to the yard and burned.

[TGIRecovered]

I'm wondering about that too, panthera. I agree with whoever posted that it could have been the POS' wife, or who knows, maybe he had another girlfriend who bought the bus ticket. Thanks for the reply, it's getting kind of lonely on this thread!

Susan

[peace9274]

CNN has coverage on the case right now.

[panthera]

I'm wondering about that too, panthera. I agree with whoever posted that it could have been the POS' wife, or who knows, maybe he had another girlfriend who bought the bus ticket. Thanks for the reply, it's getting kind of lonely on this thread!

Susan
I just found something that I hadn't heard of earlier, in this article:

"Hill said that Lauterbach also left her roommate a note saying she was "going away" and apologized for "the inconvenience." "

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jLAxQfkotgyOSgs3LXmXYW6hy6PgD8U4L8JG0

Now, I wonder if she really did plan to run away? Or did someone else write the note? :confused:

[peace9274]

But gave it less than 10 minutes..... GRRRRR

[panthera]

CNN has coverage on the case right now.
I must have just missed it. Anything new?

[sleuthin4fun]

I understand that the Sheriff said that charges could not be filed for the baby's death at this time, but if it was later found that the baby was born alive, then burned, capital murder charges would apply for the baby.

To me, this sounds like a sufficient motive for the killer to try to make it appear that the baby had died before birth.

I just don't think that the fire would burn in such a precise manner that all of the flesh around the baby's fist would burn away, leaving tiny fingers exposed in the shape of the fist. That would be like expecting that one would be able to identify each internal organ seperately, instead of a charred mass of flesh all fused together. I would never expect, for instance to find body which someone tried to creamate and be able to see the heart or lungs sticking out, still in the shape that they were in before.

Susan

I believe that in N.C. charges can not be filed in the death of the infant unless it had taken it's first breath. Federal charges can be filed though in the death of the infant even if it never exsisted outside the womb. (the laci and conner law.)

[kato]

CNN has coverage on the case right now.

Thanks for the heads up.

Now they're talking about the other POS right now. He's a sicko bigtime.

[ipswitch]

I find it frustrating that there have been no statements at all from the families of the POS and his wife.

If my daughter or sister were married to him you can bet I'd be talking! I'd be hunting him down myself!

Why is his family not appealing for him to come forward? If they believe he is innocent, surely they don't want this to end in some kind of standoff with the police or a fatal car chase. There can be no good outcome if he continues to run. Surely they can't condone his concealing the death even if they don't think he raped her.

Did anyone read my theory about the baby's being placed near the mom's abdomen after it was born and before the body was burned? No one has commented...

Susan

Susan,

ITA. If this Cpl POS was a member of my family (shudder at the thought) I'd be pleading for him to turn himself in.

Also, I saw your theory about the baby being placed after it was born. I think it is a viable possibility.

If that were the case, I would tend to think that the baby would have been placed in the ground first, then Maria face down on top... That way it could (in some perverted twisted way of thinking) that once everything burned, Maria's body would almost look like she was still pregnant (ok, that really doesn't sound right, but I can't explain it properly... ie if all skin and soft tissue, muscles, etc were gone, and it was just skeletal remains, then it would still *look* to the untrained eye that she was still pregnant) Does that make any sense?

[ipswitch]

I'm still trying to transcribe the presser from earlier... I keep getting interrupted by either the phone, hubby, or kidlet... we never made it out to dinner because of the phone, but such is life!

As soon as I can I'll get a transcript up!

[KR2tonenow]

I just found something that I hadn't heard of earlier, in this article:

"Hill said that Lauterbach also left her roommate a note saying she was "going away" and apologized for "the inconvenience." "

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jLAxQfkotgyOSgs3LXmXYW6hy6PgD8U4L8JG0

Now, I wonder if she really did plan to run away? Or did someone else write the note? :confused:

Hard to tell. Doesn't have much credibility, just as Laurean writing in a note that she committed suicide.

What I find hard to believe, if the Sheriff was aware of this Monday, why didn't they do a search warrant on Laurean Monday/Tuesday.

Why did they wait until he got away???

[panthera]

Thanks for the heads up.

Now they're talking about the other POS right now. He's a sicko bigtime.
Gary Hilton. Yes, another sadistic creep. :furious:

[peace9274]

Susan,

ITA. If this Cpl POS was a member of my family (shudder at the thought) I'd be pleading for him to turn himself in.

Also, I saw your theory about the baby being placed after it was born. I think it is a viable possibility.

If that were the case, I would tend to think that the baby would have been placed in the ground first, then Maria face down on top... That way it could (in some perverted twisted way of thinking) that once everything burned, Maria's body would almost look like she was still pregnant (ok, that really doesn't sound right, but I can't explain it properly... ie if all skin and soft tissue, muscles, etc were gone, and it was just skeletal remains, then it would still *look* to the untrained eye that she was still pregnant) Does that make any sense?


It makes sense to me. Like if she delivered the baby and then took the baby to POS's house and he knowing no Laci Law in NC, so made it look like the baby hadn't been born?

But then we woulda heard from hospitals that she gave birth....

[panthera]

Hard to tell. Doesn't have much credibility, just as Laurean writing in a note that she committed suicide.

What I find hard to believe, if the Sheriff was aware of this Monday, why didn't they do a search warrant on Laurean Monday/Tuesday.

Why did they wait until he got away???
It's possible I guess that CL or his wife could've gotten inside her house and left the note to make it seem she'd written it since the roommate was in California. Maybe I'm being too practical, but I can't see why a young woman who's about ready to give birth would even think of taking a cross-country bus trip and for what reason? Her mother was planning on coming to visit that weekend.

I'm also having some issues with LE and CL, but CL had lawyered up and I guess no one came forward and said they smelled burning in the yard, or saw him driving her car, until after he left.

[KR2tonenow]

It's possible I guess that CL or his wife could've gotten inside her house and left the note to make it seem she'd written it since the roommate was in California. Maybe I'm being too practical, but I can't see why a young woman who's about ready to give birth would even think of taking a cross-country bus trip and for what reason? Her mother was planning on coming to visit that weekend.

I'm also having some issues with LE and CL, but CL had lawyered up and I guess no one came forward and said they smelled burning in the yard, or saw him driving her car, until after he left.

But, her disappearance alone should have warranted LE to act. I read in an article, the Maria's family had been questioning the police, and they wait until he leaves town and get a phony letter to act. Stupid!! :bang:

[TGIRecovered]

When did the roomate find this note? I wonder if there was an opportunity for someone else to place the note there after POS killed her and before the roomate found it.

If it was found after the roomate returned from Cali. to answer questions, it could have even been placed there by whoever screwed up the investigation...maybe a buddy of POS?

Susan

[KR2tonenow]

When did the roomate find this note? I wonder if there was an opportunity for someone else to place the note there after POS killed her and before the roomate found it.

If it was found after the roomate returned from Cali. to answer questions, it could have even been placed there by whoever screwed up the investigation...maybe a buddy of POS?

Susan

Sure, if they had her ATM, they very easily could have had her keyes. Hence enter the apartment. I think they tried to cover up, but the family wasn't buying their lies. I really think Christina is involved and hope she gets charges pressed against her, for enabling a criminal investigation.

[TGIRecovered]

I'm still trying to transcribe the presser from earlier... I keep getting interrupted by either the phone, hubby, or kidlet... we never made it out to dinner because of the phone, but such is life!

As soon as I can I'll get a transcript up!

Thank you for doing that for us!
Aren't we pitiful? I love my WS friends!
Gotta go do real-life stuff but I'll be back when the kids go to sleep.

Susan

[panthera]

When did the roomate find this note? I wonder if there was an opportunity for someone else to place the note there after POS killed her and before the roomate found it.

If it was found after the roomate returned from Cali. to answer questions, it could have even been placed there by whoever screwed up the investigation...maybe a buddy of POS?

Susan
Sure someone else had opportunity to leave the note ~ roommate was away and "POS" (I love it! :clap: ) had her house keys along with her car, ATM card and whatnot. I think the whole thing with the note that Maria supposedly wrote and the bus ticket were decoys to cover her disappearance.

[panthera]

But, her disappearance alone should have warranted LE to act. I read in an article, the Maria's family had been questioning the police, and they wait until he leaves town and get a phony letter to act. Stupid!! :bang:
Oh I agree, and I think local LE wouldve acted more quickly if she'd been a civilian and if not impeded by the military protocol.

[SuziQ]

Sure someone else had opportunity to leave the note ~ roommate was away and "POS" (I love it! :clap: ) had her house keys along with her car, ATM card and whatnot. I think the whole thing with the note that Maria supposedly wrote and the bus ticket were decoys to cover her disappearance.

The clerk at the bus station supposedly ID'd Maria. What does Christina look like? And does Cpl POS have a friend that looks like Maria? Because the bus ticket does not make sense. It didn't to anyone else either because no one could say who she was supposedly going to visit in texas, etc. The bus ticket fits right in with making Maria look like she ran off.

[panthera]

The clerk at the bus station supposedly ID'd Maria. What does Christina look like? And does Cpl POS have a friend that looks like Maria? Because the bus ticket does not make sense. It didn't to anyone else either because no one could say who she was supposedly going to visit in texas, etc. The bus ticket fits right in with making Maria look like she ran off.
I haven't seen a picture of Christina. But let's say that she's about the same size as Maria. Put Maria's uniform and cap on, put her hair under the cap, big pillow under the shirt ~ she or someone else could pass themselves off as her.

[KR2tonenow]

Unless, Maria was scared and ready to run because her MOM wanted the baby to be adopted!

[KR2tonenow]

I haven't seen a picture of Christina. But let's say that she's about the same size as Maria. Put Maria's uniform and cap on, put her hair under the cap, big pillow under the shirt ~ she or someone else could pass themselves off as her.

When will we find out the day she was killed I wonder? That would make it easier for us to say that it was an imposter buying a ticket.

[panthera]

When will we find out the day she was killed I wonder? That would make it easier for us to say that it was an imposter buying a ticket.
I agree, and what date was the ticket bought? Dec. 14?

[KR2tonenow]

I agree, and what date was the ticket bought? Dec. 14?

Probably the day she died..

[SLP]

Maybe she bought the ticket to El Paso and left the note for her roommate because she was scared and wanted to run? Since I think he did end up killing her I could see how it would be possible that he had threatened her and/or the baby. Maybe she thought El Paso was a place she could hide out?

I know that they think she was killed at his house but has it been ruled out that she was taken there by force?

[panthera]

Maybe she bought the ticket to El Paso and left the note for her roommate because she was scared and wanted to run? Since I think he did end up killing her I could see how it would be possible that he had threatened her and/or the baby. Maybe she thought El Paso was a place she could hide out?

I know that they think she was killed at his house but has it been ruled out that she was taken there by force?
Don't know if she went there voluntarily or was abducted from somewhere and taken there. I could see her being scared and wanting to run, but at that late stage of pregnancy when her roommate said she didn't hardly go out doesn't seem right to me that she was going to get on a bus to Texas.

[Jaded]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=5549377

Are we sure that the myspace posted here on WS is for certain that of Laurean's wife? Look at these videos posted by Marine Brat on the Way which is the link posted here.

[SuziQ]

The below linked article explains how LE dropped the ball. Military never contacted local LE. Local LE saw her case in a national database and contacted the Military on Dec. 19. A sheriff employee went on vacation on Dec 22 and someone told the family not to come to NC as Maria was on her way to Dayton. After the holidays her family wouldn't wait any longer and showed up in NC and got the ball rolling. Sheriff Brown only learned of the case last Monday and the Order of Protections on Friday.
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=2459392

[Amity]

IPSwitch said:
I'm trying to rewatch the presser...but I'm having a hard time hearing all of it thru the computer speakers.

Same here IPSwitch. I had unexpected company today and couldn't watch the news conference.
Now that I can see it online, I can't hear a word.
Is there a link for the transcript to the news conference somewhere?

Same way I felt with Laci Peterson, same way I've felt with all these other soon-to-be-Moms....I just can't wrap my mind around what's happening.
The killing of anyone is horrendous in my book but to kill a Soon-To-Be-Mom....I just can't grasp, wrap my mind around it.
It hurts.

Ami

[believe09]

i like the theory that wife killed hubby-you guys are workin it, and I mean that in a good way! I am confused how hubby could slip away so easily, but this case has been Keystone Cops from the get-go, at least from the 30000 foot view...maybe it is more organized on the ground.

[PrayersForMaura]

well I have finally awoken from being sick for two days. *blah*

I am so sorry to hear this ended so sadly :(
I have to see, this is what I first thought as soon as I saw the headline of "pregnant marine missing". That's almost a given now that the woman will be found dead or not found at all :(
Such a damned shame.

Still mad at the stupid mother for saying she was a compulsive liar. Is that was stalled the investigation to find her?

I need to catch up on reading here.

Thanks, everyone, for keeping the posts so up-to-date.

[believe09]

Comment on the bus ticket-perhaps fugitive Marine told her he wanted to run away with her and get the hell out of dodge...she went to the house to meet him and he killed her? I am still unclear about what their relationship really was...he could have said, ok honey you buy your bus ticket and I'll buy mine...am I making sense? Then he came and picked her up and brought her home...

[gardenmom]

Maybe she bought the ticket to El Paso and left the note for her roommate because she was scared and wanted to run? Since I think he did end up killing her I could see how it would be possible that he had threatened her and/or the baby. Maybe she thought El Paso was a place she could hide out?

I know that they think she was killed at his house but has it been ruled out that she was taken there by force?

Why would she run away when she was about to deliver her baby? She is in the military and has military insurance, which is 100% coverage. Supposedly she was absence without leave, so she would have known someone would be looking for her. I don't know if the military can, but they might have been able to put an alert on her military insurance card so that when it was used they would have been contacted. No, she planned on staying put and deliverig that baby.

[KR2tonenow]

Comment on the bus ticket-perhaps fugitive Marine told her he wanted to run away with her and get the hell out of dodge...she went to the house to meet him and he killed her? I am still unclear about what their relationship really was...he could have said, ok honey you buy your bus ticket and I'll buy mine...am I making sense? Then he came and picked her up and brought her home...

Sounds logical that Maria was blindsided by him. How did they know there wasn't a struggle to bring her there? Wife said so?

I think since LE was late in the game! Who's to say at this point she wasn't forced into a car with him at knife point and taken to their home. They entered through the garage, he stabbed her.

They fought and he did her in, in another part of the home.

The bus ticket I believe may have been early on when she was scared and considering fleeing.

[KR2tonenow]

Also I'd like to know what day did the neighbor see the fence missing????? The night before should be the day/time of death.

[KR2tonenow]

OK, I went back to other posts. The neighbor reported the fence missing about 2 weeks ago, which would make it the 12/27?? After Christmas.

Now if she was reported missing on the 12/19, where was she for those 8 days? In the garage, and the wif:eek: e still didnt know, come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ember]

I agree, and what date was the ticket bought? Dec. 14?

The ticket was bought Dec 15th by this article....

http://www.jdnews.com/news/hill_54321___article.html/marines_lauterbach.html

Lauterbach was last heard from Dec. 14. She purchased a bus ticket Dec. 15 to El Paso, Texas, but never used the ticket. She was reported missing by her mother Dec. 19.

[SLP]

Why would she run away when she was about to deliver her baby? She is in the military and has military insurance, which is 100% coverage. Supposedly she was absence without leave, so she would have known someone would be looking for her. I don't know if the military can, but they might have been able to put an alert on her military insurance card so that when it was used they would have been contacted. No, she planned on staying put and deliverig that baby.

I see your point. It is logical and what most people would think of when that pregnant, ME included. My thought would be that she would have only have thought running away would be a better alternative IF he had threatened her to the point to where she was scared for her life and/or her baby's life and she needed to hide. Law enforcement had not helped her and her own mother had been competely unsupportive. She did end up murdered, possibly that same day, so I think it is possible that she had an instinct something was going to happen or had been threatened.

IF she had been threatened in a way where she was scared for her life I could possibly see it. Taking a trip cross country when pregnant would be scary, running away fromn the military would be scary, having a baby with no insurance would be scary (and EXPENSIVE) but if you are sacred for your life or your baby's life though it could look better than the prospect of what might happen to you if you stay where you are at. I am just thinking that this could be the reason for her buying a ticket on impulse IF she had been threatened by him. Maybe she did not use it because she got scared or thought she could handle it?

[chiperoni]

Why would she run away when she was about to deliver her baby? She is in the military and has military insurance, which is 100% coverage. Supposedly she was absence without leave, so she would have known someone would be looking for her. I don't know if the military can, but they might have been able to put an alert on her military insurance card so that when it was used they would have been contacted. No, she planned on staying put and deliverig that baby.
That ticket doesn't make sense. Do you think it was a positive ID by the ticket person? I hope they showed him a few other pictures to choose from. Has LE found the ticket?

[SLP]

The ticket was bought Dec 15th by this article....

http://www.jdnews.com/news/hill_54321___article.html/marines_lauterbach.html

Lauterbach was last heard from Dec. 14. She purchased a bus ticket Dec. 15 to El Paso, Texas, but never used the ticket. She was reported missing by her mother Dec. 19.

I got from the articles I read that she bought the ticket on December 14th but planned to use it on the 15th. (one example) link...

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-01-11-0006.html

Is it just me or does it seem that this case has had a lot of, more than the usual, conflicting information in the press?

[norcalsleuth]

I've been following the news and the discussion here. It's definitely a great site with lots of good insight and theories. Here's what I think.

She was stuck between a rock and a hard place. She was being threatened and harrassed by POS and his friends. Pressure enough to run away and abandon her charges of rape.

There's been a lot of discussion around her mother and their phone call where she was strongly encouraged to give the baby up. This probably caused additional stress on Maria.

I believe she did decide to leave the base on her own and left the note to her roommate. I also believe she did purchase the bus ticket since it was reported the person selling her the ticket confirmed it was her. Maybe she wanted to go to Mexico to avoid charges going AWOL.

She probably decided to contact POS to tell him she was leaving and not pursuing the charges so she wouldn't feel threatened anymore. Unfortunately, that didn't work. She ended up meeting him and things went bad and he killed her.

I feel so bad for her - she felt she had no way out. May she and her family find peace.

[Vegas Bride]

She had a car so why the need for a bus ticket? What woman 8 months pregnant would want to go on a bus ride? It would be terribly uncomfortable IMO and not something any pregnant woman would want.
I would better understand buying a plane ticket if she wanted to ditch her car.

VB

[norcalsleuth]

She was desperate and needed to get away/leave the country. Maybe she couldn't afford a plane ticket. You think it's easier for an 8+ month pregnant women to drive herself 2000 miles than take a bus? Is it possible someone (his wife) impersonated her to buy the ticket? I guess but it seems pretty far fetched to me.

[Pharlap]

The ticket was bought Dec 15th by this article....

http://www.jdnews.com/news/hill_54321___article.html/marines_lauterbach.html

Lauterbach was last heard from Dec. 14. She purchased a bus ticket Dec. 15 to El Paso, Texas, but never used the ticket. She was reported missing by her mother Dec. 19.

Question, was there a cam inside the buss station at the ticket counter or anywhere inside?
Could it been the wife dressed as her?

[Pharlap]

She had a car so why the need for a bus ticket? What woman 8 months pregnant would want to go on a bus ride? It would be terribly uncomfortable IMO and not something any pregnant woman would want.
I would better understand buying a plane ticket if she wanted to ditch her car.

VB


Good point.....

[SuziQ]

I've been following the news and the discussion here. It's definitely a great site with lots of good insight and theories. Here's what I think.

She was stuck between a rock and a hard place. She was being threatened and harrassed by POS and his friends. Pressure enough to run away and abandon her charges of rape.

There's been a lot of discussion around her mother and their phone call where she was strongly encouraged to give the baby up. This probably caused additional stress on Maria.

I believe she did decide to leave the base on her own and left the note to her roommate. I also believe she did purchase the bus ticket since it was reported the person selling her the ticket confirmed it was her. Maybe she wanted to go to Mexico to avoid charges going AWOL.

She probably decided to contact POS to tell him she was leaving and not pursuing the charges so she wouldn't feel threatened anymore. Unfortunately, that didn't work. She ended up meeting him and things went bad and he killed her.

I feel so bad for her - she felt she had no way out. May she and her family find peace.

Then why leave any money in her bank at all? We know she left at least 400.00. Any withdrawals would have been traced if what she intended is to go into hiding.

The only indication there is that Maria intended to runaway is that bus ticket that she supposedly bought. And to El Paso of all places? Maria is so scared of this guy she is going to leave the life she knows and yet makes a phone call to tell him she's leaving and meets with him? That just doesn't add up.

Everything that occured after Maria spoke with her mother, reeks badly of crime staging, IMO.

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok where is Christine now? Is she with the loser on the run? I can't seem to find anything on here about that.. My heart is still breaking over here thinking about Maria & how she was failed so miserably by everyone.. :mad:

[SuziQ]

Maria is kidnapped, her abductor(s) now have her house key. Very easy for someone to slip in write a note and take a few clothes, toothbrush, etc.

[Pharlap]

The only indication there is that Maria intended to runaway is that bus ticket that she supposedly bought. And to El Paso of all places? Maria is so scared of this guy she is going to leave the life she knows and yet makes a phone call to tell him she's leaving and meets with him? That just doesn't add up.
IMO.


Also why (if she did buy her own ticket, which I leaning not to believe) wouldn't she have parked right in front of the buss station? Her roommate said she had a hard time walking and hadn't be feeling very good lately.
I'll ask again, is there a cam in the station located any where?

[Camper]

I am behind on this thread.

Someone help me out here to catch up.

1. Was the note found by her room mate computer printed, or in personal handwriting?

2. HOW much money was withdrawn from her bank/funds etc.?

3. Has it been established that Cpl. POS was perhaps an illegal from Mexico OR?

4. Currently is Cpl. POS, his wife and child - nowhere to be found?

Thanks everyone.

.

[SeriouslySearching]

The only one I know the answer to is #4. The Sheriff, Ed Brown, indicated in one of his pressers that the suspect's wife was still in the area so it sounded as if he did know where to find her. He would not comment on if she is also a suspect or going to be charged in this case along with her husband. He danced around it nicely.

They also said he has 3 Attys. now and LE doesn't know where he is yet. (If he has 3 attys...then aren't they harboring a fugitive since he has not turned himself in?!)

[dimples37398]

The information I found through court records said that the POS was born in Mexico as were both of his parents.

It stated his parents current address as Las Vegas Nevada.

But they were all born in Mexico....

HTH
Kel

[Camper]

Thanks to both of you.
Be interesting to know how long the family has been in America, and what the parents do for a living in NV.
Illegal Immigration is a matter of concern for ALL of us. Lots of information in Websleuths Political Pavillion on the subject.
Just MAYBE Cpl. POS fled to Mexico to be with OTHER family members. Then guess a fight for extradition of Cpl. POS, IF IF my suspicions might be true.
WS is being funky with my font/size and bolding tonight.
.

[Camper]

Thanks to both of you.

Be interesting to know how long the family has been in America, and what the parents do for a living in NV.

Illegal Immigration is a matter of concern for ALL of us. Lots of information in Websleuths Political Pavillion on the subject.

Just MAYBE Cpl. POS fled to Mexico to be with OTHER family members. Then guess a fight for extradition of Cpl. POS, IF IF my suspicions might be true.

WS is being funky with my font/size and bolding tonight.
.

[Camper]

WS did this double posting. Grrrrr.

.

[Littledeer]

Just some thoughts.

I can't see Christine pretending to be Maria and purchase a bus ticket. Not only would she have to disguise herself to look somewhat like Maria, but she would also have to look 8 months pregnant!! If someone has positively identified Maria as the person who purchased the bus ticket, don't you think the LE would have asked if that person was pregnant??

Maria might not have wanted to drive her car to get away, as it would be very easy to trace her car through the license plate number. Also, if it's a newer model, it might have been equiped with a GPS.

I think Laurean followed her to the bus station and took her from there after she purchased the ticket.

The problem with that scenario is where was Maria from December 15th until the night/day that the neighbor reported Laurean burning something in his back yard??

If any of this has already been bandied about, sorry.

O/T: I posted the funeral arrangments for Riley Ann Sawyers to be held in Ohio for those who have been following that case in her thread.

[Littledeer]

They also said he has 3 Attys. now and LE doesn't know where he is yet. (If he has 3 attys...then aren't they harboring a fugitive since he has not turned himself in?!)

wow! He gets not ONE but THREE attorneys?? Someone feels he is very guilty! And who called these attorneys and hired them???? And who has money to pay three attorneys??? One attorney is NOT CHEAP, let alone three of them!!

[ThoughtFox]

[SIZE=4]Is there a link for the transcript to the news conference somewhere
Ami

Discussion on Anderson Cooper:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/12/acd.01.html

[Ticamom]

Discussion on Anderson Cooper:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/12/acd.01.html

Thanks so much for the transcript, Thought Fox. :blowkiss:

[STEADFAST]

CNN says Laurean was spotted last night "a couple of states away." He hasn't been apprehended, though.

[believe09]

here is the link to the spotting...http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080113/ap_on_re_us/missing_marine;_ylt=Ap8_stLk1KSzi_4C2WSKEdGs0NUE

[peace9274]

News on FOX now of his sighting... he was traveling alone, but hasn't said where he was spotted. It wasn't in NC. Witness "spent some time with suspect."

[Littledeer]

Well that certainly was alot of information! NOT!!!

A couple of states where.........north, south, east, or west? Would have helped if they had been more specific! Was Laurean actually spotted or his vehicle?

[Littledeer]

"spent some time with suspect."

So why didn't this witness call the LE while Laurean was still with him/her? They must have known LE is looking for him!!!! What did Laurean have over this person for them to not contact the LE right away?

Sounds like a close family member or someone very close to him to not have called LE right away while Laurean was with them.

[peace9274]

Re Maria's bus ticket to El Paso.
I wonder if he told Maria they'd meet in El Paso and then go to Mexico from there.

I just walked in (from working the night shift, at psych hospital. Some of our pts are supposedly criminally "insane") and the news conference was on.

I've missed some of the info, but will keep checking before hitting the pillow.

[STEADFAST]

So why didn't this witness call the LE while Laurean was still with him/her? They must have known LE is looking for him!!!! What did Laurean have over this person for them to not contact the LE right away?

Sounds like a close family member or someone very close to him to not have called LE right away while Laurean was with them.

If I were talking to a marine who had violently murdered a woman, I would not whip out my cell phone and dial 911 while he was standing right there. :eek:

[peace9274]

Per CNN right now:

Assumption is that witness to seeing POS was someone from the general public, since LE wasn't involved.

[KOOL LOOK]

Per CNN right now:

Assumption is that witness to seeing POS was someone from the general public, since LE wasn't involved.

Huh? Sorry, I don't understand.

[peace9274]

I take it to mean that apparently someone saw/spent time with POS.
Then, afterwards, reported it to LE. When LE got to the sight where he was spotted, POS was long gone.

[peace9274]

FOX:
"Suspect sighting confirmed by 3 agencies."

[peace9274]

Sheriff Brown on FOX:

"We believe she was killed on Dec 15th."

[STEADFAST]

I wonder if he wasn't spotted by a clerk in a convenience store/gas station and it was confirmed on tape. Otherwise, I don't see how they could call this a "confirmed" sighting.

[peace9274]

That's what I think, too.
And/or possibly the clerk saw the license plate or his name on a credit card or his ID?

Hopefully, the security cameras got it.

[peace9274]

All Cable news stns: (FOX, CNN, Headline News, etc)

The "breaking news will be coming up again shortly" and "We'll be talking about it all morning" .....

[englishleigh]

I think he either lured her to his house, or abducted her. I think he planned this all along, it wasn't an argument thing. I think as long as Maria was in the Camp LeJeune area, he felt he could control her and her actions and harass her, and I think he had it in his head to do her harm long before he did.....the rape accusations, the fact that she was carrying his child he didn't want to be responsible for. Maybe he got wind of Maria's plans to leave for TX and that was the trigger to go ahead and kill her...if she left NC, she was out of his control and could have the baby in TX and then start hitting him up for child support from there?

I don't know. This case has me upset and I haven't had my coffee yet...

[FlowerChild]

In the United States it appears that pregnant women are becoming somewhat of an "endangered species". If it isn't the father/boyfriend/husband it's the baby-stealing psychotic, PO'd parent or girlfriend/wife of baby-daddy. What is the matter with these people? Is it really worth the DP or life in prison to save on child support or avoid embarrassment? A pregnant woman isn't like ugly wallpaper or TP stuck to your shoe - you can't just laugh her off or get a "re-do" and go on like she never existed

This whole case shows that "we" (collectively, as a society) have a very long way to go still when it comes to pregnancy and motherhood. We like to believe we are "sophisticated" and give women many options - but the facts do NOT bear that out. We want women to have options (including keeping their baby after a rape) but it seems often the support for many women ends as soon as the "choice" (either choice) is made.

The lack of attention and investigation in Maria's MURDER tells me that in many ways we are still living in a "man's world" constrained by very outdated values and notions of what's "right and proper". It seems in the military, men are still very much in charge and women are the "second class citizens" pushed into their "place" - ESPECIALLY when pregnant or making accusations against one of the "men". This isn't 1950 and the good little wife waiting silently, quietly and nobly at home no longer exists or has a place in the military. It's 2008 and the wife is now just as likely to be the one in Iraq!

May the loss of these two precious lives be honored by inspiring change - and the outrage over their deaths fuel action from ALL of us.

My Opinion

[Littledeer]

If I were talking to a marine who had violently murdered a woman, I would not whip out my cell phone and dial 911 while he was standing right there. :eek:

Steadfast:

The poster said that Laurean had "spent SOME TIME" with the witness. I didin't mean for that person to blatantly call LE in fron of Laurean (LOL), but I wonder if they could have walked away for a minute or two and dialed 911 and report that Laurean was there.

I think the "some time" is misleading if it was a person who saw the vehicle parked somewhere and called the LE. Do we even know if he hasn't switched vehicles by now?

[Littledeer]

O/T:

I posted the funeral arrangements for Riley Ann Sawyers, aka "Baby Grace" in Ohio on her thread for those of you who have been following that case.

[Mygirlsadie]

It's not that bad FlowerChild but some of it does still exist..In the Army they own you and you are government property. I have been told a few times that ''the Army did not issue me a wife''.. This is something they are told and through the years I guess they also become brain washed by it. Or if you have a complaint you are told to go complain to the recruiter..On the other hand I have been a Army wife for 15 years and I love it..it's made me strong and independent...Anyway back to the topic at hand.





In the United States it appears that pregnant women are becoming somewhat of an "endangered species". If it isn't the father/boyfriend/husband it's the baby-stealing psychotic, PO'd parent or girlfriend/wife of baby-daddy. What is the matter with these people? Is it really worth the DP or life in prison to save on child support or avoid embarrassment? A pregnant woman isn't like ugly wallpaper or TP stuck to your shoe - you can't just laugh her off or get a "re-do" and go on like she never existed

This whole case shows that "we" (collectively, as a society) have a very long way to go still when it comes to pregnancy and motherhood. We like to believe we are "sophisticated" and give women many options - but the facts do NOT bear that out. We want women to have options (including keeping their baby after a rape) but it seems often the support for many women ends as soon as the "choice" (either choice) is made.

The lack of attention and investigation in Maria's MURDER tells me that in many ways we are still living in a "man's world" constrained by very outdated values and notions of what's "right and proper". It seems in the military, men are still very much in charge and women are the "second class citizens" pushed into their "place" - ESPECIALLY when pregnant or making accusations against one of the "men". This isn't 1950 and the good little wife waiting silently, quietly and nobly at home no longer exists or has a place in the military. It's 2008 and the wife is now just as likely to be the one in Iraq!

May the loss of these two precious lives be honored by inspiring change - and the outrage over their deaths fuel action from ALL of us.

My Opinion

[peace9274]

But as several of have said, if it were premeditated, why did he do it at his house and leave so much evidence?
It appears to be a violent struggle and killing with so much blood splattered all over.

But then if it weren't premeditated, why didn't he take her body and dispose of it off his property?

He had to know a huge fire, the missing fence, the odor, the vultures flying above, his borrowing the neighbor's shovel would all raise red flags.

[calidreamin]

But as several of have said, if it were premeditated, why did he do it at his house and leave so much evidence?
It appears to be a violent struggle and killing with so much blood splattered all over.

But then if it weren't premeditated, why didn't he take her body and dispose of it off his property?

He had to know a huge fire, the missing fence, the odor, the vultures flying above, his borrowing the neighbor's shovel would all raise red flags.

That what is confusing about this to me as well. If it was premeditated why on earth murder her in your own house where there is going to be evidence? But to burn and put her in the back yard makes no sense either.

[Pharlap]

Just heard the spotting was at midnight in Florida....
Hope they get this sucker....:behindbar

[peace9274]

Headline news just said to stay tuned for "Breaking news"... that they will tell us when and where the sighting took place.

[peace9274]

Hey Pharlap... yer much faster than Headline news!

[PrayersForMaura]

The body was charred, and the fetus was in the victim's abdomen, Brown said, describing the scene.

The fetus was developed enough that the "little hand was about the size of my thumb. The little fingers were rolled up," he said.

"One of the things that will probably stick with me for a long time, and forever, is that little hand, the way those fingers were turned, that had been burned off the arm. That is bizarre. That is tragic. And it's disgusting."


:(

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/suspect-in-marines-murder-spotted/20080109165409990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[FlowerChild]

It's not that bad FlowerChild but some of it does still exist..In the Army they own you and you are government property. I have been told a few times that ''the Army did not issue me a wife''.. This is something they are told and through the years I guess they also become brain washed by it. Or if you have a complaint you are told to go complain to the recruiter..On the other hand I have been a Army wife for 15 years and I love it..it's made me strong and independent...Anyway back to the topic at hand.

I know there are many strong military wives - my Aunt was/is one - for over 50 years now. My Uncle was often gone more than home - for almost 40 years. I admire you and support you while you husband serves. It DOES make families strong and self-sufficient.

...BUT the military is in need of some changes where women are concerned - both as soldiers and as spouses. I DO hold the military responsible for not handling Maria's situation better and for NOT immediately responding to her being missing. Pregnant single women do not historically go off at 8 mos pregnant and cut off ALL contact with their family/friends - especially if they have full medical coverage and only $400 in the bank. PLUS, Maria was military - there are penalties for just disappearing without a word. Times have changed - and the military must also change. It will benefit ALL of us if this brings positive changes for future servicewomen and spouses of servicemen.

My Opinion

[PrayersForMaura]

The key suspect in the brutal slaying of a 20-year-old pregnant Marine has been sighted outside of North Carolina, Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said Sunday.
The sighting by a member of the general public happened around midnight, Brown said. He expressed hope that Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean would soon be in custody.
Authorities recovered the remains of Maria Lauterbach Saturday from a fire pit where they suspect Laurean burned and buried her body, including the fetus of the soon to be born baby she was carrying. Lauterbach had accused Laurean of rape.
Lauterbach's family has asked why authorities didn't treat her case with a greater sense of urgency.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322410,00.html

[Pharlap]

Hey Pharlap... yer much faster than Headline news!

Just turned cnn tv on and that was being told...
I bet they are going to get this guy....today.
Only said Florida.....Le probably doesn't want the guy to know how close they are to him, since he's watching tv too.

OTT..I typed in webslueths and got a complete different forum...did it twice then went to the tv..
Didn't have my coffee yet til I realized I mistyped...

[peace9274]

Just turned cnn tv on and that was being told...
I bet they are going to get this guy....today.
Only said Florida.....Le probably doesn't want the guy to know how close they are to him, since he's watching tv too.

OTT..I typed in webslueths and got a complete different forum...did it twice then went to the tv..
Didn't have my coffee yet til I realized I mistyped...

That's what I get for switching channels so much / so often.
I end up missing everything everybody says. :doh: :confused:

But I've always known I can get the real facts and the most info right here at WS! :clap: :dance:

[STEADFAST]

Here's my theory, for what it's worth:
Laurean planned the murder. He convinced Lauterbach that they would run away together to Mexico -- hence the ticket to El Paso, where she has no relatives or friends that we know of. He had her go buy the ticket and picked her up at the bus station; she wrote the "goodbye" note to her roommate. Then they stopped by his house and he ambushed her. He thought he could make it look like she'd just run away by using her ATM card and moving her car. He probably planted the seeds of belief among his command that she was unstable and likely to run.
He was so cocky, he never expected anyone would consider that she was murdered. He had to hide her in his yard, because if he left her somewhere else, she might be found.

[AdoraBlue]

Shreveport, Louisiana

http://shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/BREAKINGNEWS/80113002

A man wanted for the slaying in North Carolina of a pregnant Marine could be in the Shreveport area, police say.

A representative of the U.S. Marshal’s office contacted Shreveport police Saturday night after the office got word Cesar Armando Laurean may have gotten off a Greyhound bus here.

“So far we haven’t found any signs of it,” said Shreveport police Lt. William Scott. “But we’re checking the area for the possibility that we might find him.”

[Indy Gal]

Still catching up but the note was found by POS wife at 8am friday. Is was not found by her roomate, but his wife

[Littledeer]

THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE POSTS from cnn, etc.

Great job!

[Indy Gal]

Did you guys see last night. Mr Brown was just let in on this last week. Seems military was handling it up till then. He didnt even know of the protective order until after she was found.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't understand why the Sheriff didn't just say that. Ed Brown was acting like it was a huge secret or something. Sheesh! Doesn't the public have a right to know that this POS is now riding greyhound busses around the country and has dropped off in their communities?! This man is wanted for capital Murder and he was also involved in a rape case!! How much more dangerous can a guy get? Also, he is on the run and desperate!

If anyone else is harmed by him now, LE should be held accountable for not informing the public of his possible whereabouts. That is just wrong!

[JinxieJada]

The information I found through court records said that the POS was born in Mexico as were both of his parents.

It stated his parents current address as Las Vegas Nevada.

But they were all born in Mexico....

HTH
Kel


How far is El Paso away from Mexico? Say it was her that purchased the plane ticket. If it is close, Could he have told her that his relatives would take her in, and he would meet her later?

(IF a military member were to flee to Mexico, could they "hide out" for a bit down there...or would the MC be looking for them actively...(I'm talking prior to the note and her body being discovered?)

[Pharlap]

Shreveport, Louisiana

http://shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/BREAKINGNEWS/80113002

A man wanted for the slaying in North Carolina of a pregnant Marine could be in the Shreveport area, police say.

A representative of the U.S. Marshal’s office contacted Shreveport police Saturday night after the office got word Cesar Armando Laurean may have gotten off a Greyhound bus here.

“So far we haven’t found any signs of it,” said Shreveport police Lt. William Scott. “But we’re checking the area for the possibility that we might find him.”

This is getting squirrelly, why would he take a buss when he had a vehicle to drive....Maybe it's a mis siting, I mistook him for someone else of a picture on the net. Which some kind ppl said it wasn't him..
Plus he had 8 hrs head start of getting away..N Carolina isn't that far from the base, right?

How many miles can you drive in 8 hrs? 600 miles?

[calidreamin]

Did you guys see last night. Mr Brown was just let in on this last week. Seems military was handling it up till then. He didnt even know of the protective order until after she was found.

The Marines completely mishandled this whole thing from the start. It makes me so angry:furious: . Morning Indy.:blowkiss:

[Littledeer]

Steadfast:

Then at what point did he write the so called note that said she committed suicide? Why was that needed? And honestly, was he so dumb to bury her in his own backyard and burn the body? If you look at a ruler, 6 inches is not all that much. Hell, a dog could dig that much dirt up in minutes. Somewhere along the line, if it was premeditated, something happened that he had to change his plans.

Maybe Christine was coming home and she called him prior to getting home to let him know at which point he had to move up the killing time? With little time left, he had no choice but to kill her at his home.

All speculation on my part.

[SeriouslySearching]

Still catching up but the note was found by POS wife at 8am friday. Is was not found by her roomate, but his wifeI think there were two notes. One was supposedly written by her to her roommate and the other written by the suspect outlining that Maria had "committed suicide" and telling his wife where the body was etc.

[calidreamin]

How far is El Paso away from Mexico? Say it was her that purchased the plane ticket. If it is close, Could he have told her that his relatives would take her in, and he would meet her later?

(IF a military member were to flee to Mexico, could they "hide out" for a bit down there...or would the MC be looking for them actively...(I'm talking prior to the note and her body being discovered?)

El Paso is right on the Mexican border, just cross the street and you are in Mexico.

[Littledeer]

I would have definately dumped my vehicle somewhere and found another way of transportation. By now, he knows everyone has his vehicle description and license plate number.

[Pharlap]

I think there were two notes. One was supposedly written by her to her roommate and the other written by the suspect outlining that Maria had "committed suicide" and telling his wife where the body was etc.


Another good point...GMorning ss...

[Indy Gal]

The Marines completely mishandled this whole thing from the start. It makes me so angry:furious: . Morning Indy.:blowkiss:
Morning Doll:blowkiss:

[JinxieJada]

News on FOX now of his sighting... he was traveling alone, but hasn't said where he was spotted. It wasn't in NC. Witness "spent some time with suspect."

anyone else getting the feeling that either

1 - this guy has some friends in some HIGHer up places -


2. This guy has a lot of people scared Sh**less of him?

3. He has his own "underground railroad" of safe houses so to speak.


Not being familiar w/ the military, and only going on "stories" from a couple of friends that have been involved w/ military guys,
Are the stories "true"?
That they have a diehard good ole boys network?
That to a certain extent they are invincible?

[Indy Gal]

I think there were two notes. One was supposedly written by her to her roommate and the other written by the suspect outlining that Maria had "committed suicide" and telling his wife where the body was etc.
:eek: :eek: :eek: I go away for 12 hours and miss it all. LOL What was the note to the roomate?

[Indy Gal]

How many miles can you drive in 8 hrs? 600 miles?
766.69 miles I drove this in 9 hours flat. Per mapquest is says 12 hours.

[Littledeer]

Well scratch the wife coming home early theory. I see she didin't find the note until Friday @ 8:00 A.M.

Has there been an ETOD yet?

[dallas24]

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080113/BREAKINGNEWS/80113002

Possibly sited in Shreveport, Louisiana getting off a Greyhound bus.

[SeriouslySearching]

This is getting squirrelly, why would he take a buss when he had a vehicle to drive....Maybe it's a mis siting, I mistook him for someone else of a picture on the net. Which some kind ppl said it wasn't him..
Plus he had 8 hrs head start of getting away..N Carolina isn't that far from the base, right?

How many miles can you drive in 8 hrs? 600 miles?He probably didn't take his truck because it is easily spotted. They have a BOLO out on it and a bus would be a way to travel more incognito. Riding on a bus would be slower going, but he could change routes several times. If he only made it to LA from Thursday night until last nite at midnight...I would have to assume he was not on a straight route.

In the presser earlier this morning, Sheriff Brown was certain the sighting was legitimate. The person talked to him and confirmed it was him. He contacted authorities afterward.

Camp Lejeune is in Jacksonville, North Carolina.

[Indy Gal]

he could also be hiding out in the woods or mountains. He is a marine after all.

Unless this sigting is right

[Littledeer]

Could he blend in so well if he is wearing his Marine outfit? Does anyone really take a good look at someone who is wearing their uniform? With the Iraq war going on and troops coming home, leaving, etc. could he be easily unnoticed?

[Littledeer]

SS:

I've heard of APB, but what does BOLO stand for?

[dallas24]

Be On Look Out

[Indy Gal]

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1907464&posted=1#post1907464

Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said on Sunday morning that a person made a confirmed sighting of the suspect in the slaying of a 20-year-old pregnant Marine who disappeared in December.

A member of the general public saw Laurean around midnight "two or three states away from North Carolina," Brown said. He did not specify in which state the sighting occurred.
The witness spent some time with the suspect and said Laurean appeared to be traveling alone, the sheriff said. He described the sighting as "transient" in nature and expressed hope that Laurean would soon be in custody.

Bolding is mine. does this mean they really believe this is him?

[Littledeer]

Thanks dallas.

Will remember that for future reference.

STAMPING FOOT AND SHARPENING ANTLERS,

why doesn't anyone reply to my posts! LOL j/k!

[JinxieJada]

El Paso is right on the Mexican border, just cross the street and you are in Mexico.


Ah! Thank you for the answer - I'm a bit geographically challenged w/ southern States. I know where they are on a map - but citywise? Forget it! LOL

[Indy Gal]

from same link I didnt know this

Laurean disappeared from his Jacksonville home around 4:30 a.m. Friday after authorities intensified their search for Lauterbach. On Saturday, Brown said someone used Lauterbach's ATM card in a North Carolina city

[Indy Gal]

Thanks dallas.

Will remember that for future reference.

STAMPING FOOT AND SHARPENING ANTLERS,

why doesn't anyone reply to my posts! LOL j/k!
I do silly...LOL:blowkiss:

JJ dont feel bad I am the same way

[SeriouslySearching]

This might not be the same sighting that the Sheriff was talking about this morning. The Sheriff said it was 2-3 states away which could put him in my backyard in Oklahoma which would make more sense than Louisiana if he were trying to see his parents in Las Vegas, NV.

[JinxieJada]

This might not be the same sighting that the Sheriff was talking about this morning. The Sheriff said it was 2-3 states away which could put him in my backyard in Oklahoma.


Don't greyhounds run "stops" on the routes though? For food/drink/bathroom breaks (Or do they have bathrooms on them?) People boarding/unboarding?


Could he have been "on a layover" so to speak when he was sighted...and who knows where he is now?

[Littledeer]

I was just wondering if any of my thrown out theories are possible. Even a "hey littledeer" your dumb would suffice! LOL

Yes, I had also heard that her ATM card had been used. I also recall the account had $400.00 in it but no withdrawal had been made.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks dallas.

Will remember that for future reference.

STAMPING FOOT AND SHARPENING ANTLERS,

why doesn't anyone reply to my posts! LOL j/k!Sorry, LD! I was eating. LOL Thanks for answering her, Dallas. : )

[Indy Gal]

Police said Sunday they had a confirmed sighting of a suspect wanted in the death of a pregnant Marine. Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean was alone and on the move when he was spotted by a witness Saturday night, two or three states away from North Carolina, Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown told reporters.Brown said he was confident that Laurean will be located, and "I think it will be sooner than maybe we had expected."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/

I guess by confirmed it is real!!! POS is going down real soon!!!!!

[Mygirlsadie]

Sheesh you might as well say El Paso is Mexico..lol El Paso also has a very large military base Ft.Bliss. I also heard that if you flee to Mexico that the Mexican govt. will NOT deport you back if you are going to be dealt the death penalty...




How far is El Paso away from Mexico? Say it was her that purchased the plane ticket. If it is close, Could he have told her that his relatives would take her in, and he would meet her later?

(IF a military member were to flee to Mexico, could they "hide out" for a bit down there...or would the MC be looking for them actively...(I'm talking prior to the note and her body being discovered?)

[SeriouslySearching]

Don't greyhounds run "stops" on the routes though? For food/drink/bathroom breaks (Or do they have bathrooms on them?) People boarding/unboarding?


Could he have been "on a layover" so to speak when he was sighted...and who knows where he is now?Yes, they have to unboard and board passengers at hubs across the US, plus drivers are only allowed to drive 8 hours (if I am not mistaken) so they have to change drivers, and they do have layovers. If he had reboarded a bus...they would already have him in custody.

[Littledeer]

SS:

Now is NOT the time to be eating!! Get out there and get this guy! LOL

[Indy Gal]

SS:

Now is NOT the time to be eating!! Get out there and get this guy! LOL
OT~~ She is always eating something...LOLOLOL Sorry SS:blowkiss:

[Littledeer]

okay, don't you have to buy a ticket?? Can't LE find where the ticket was purchased at? Does a driver's license need to be shown or any identification to get a ticket?

Probably not, but just asking.

[Indy Gal]

okay, don't you have to buy a ticket?? Can't LE find where the ticket was purchased at? Does a driver's license need to be shown or any identification to get a ticket?

Probably not, but just asking.
Yes you would maybe he used another name?

ETA

http://www.greyhound.com/home/en/TicketsAndTravel/TicketsAndTravelInfo.aspx

We currently offer a variety of advance purchase and unrestricted fares, including student, senior, children's and military fares. Tickets can be sent by mail or purchased for pickup at the terminal using our Will Call service. U.S. credit card and mailing address are required for Tickets by Mail online purchases. If you select the Will Call option, the credit card number entered on the Web site must match the number on the card.

AND

Appropriate ID or a password is required to pick up the ticket

[Littledeer]

Indy:

LOL. Well I would say the same to you, but don't want Jewel traveling all over the country side! :)

[Mygirlsadie]

Is there any other pics of him anywhere? One pic in his uniform is pretty useless if you ask me. Me and my friends always joke that if we see a good looking guy in uniform then we see him in his civi's and he isn't so good looking anymore that he needs to go put that uniform back on! Some people look totally different out of uniform.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hahahahaha Hey, when I get excited...I eat!!! LOL I just had two grilled cheese sandwiches for breakfast. Gotta keep up my strength for when they catch this guy, ya know! >wink<

Yes, you would have to show identification for purchasing a bus ticket. It is standard. If he took off via bus on Thursday night...they weren't looking for him. He could have had someone else purchase a ticket for him later. (Pay a homeless person ten bucks to do it or something.)

[JinxieJada]

I was just wondering if any of my thrown out theories are possible. Even a "hey littledeer" your dumb would suffice! LOL

Yes, I had also heard that her ATM card had been used. I also recall the account had $400.00 in it but no withdrawal had been made.

400 total? Could that be why if it was "her" that bought the bus ticket?

IE - It's xmas time, if she went to purchase it that day, it would have been a last minute flight...Maybe she didn't have enough money for one?

I know that when a friend was going to fly up at xmas time...We all passed because the fare was SO MUCH more xpensive...we waited till after xmas, got her tickets and saved close to 400 dollars!


LOL and no LD you're not dumb...maybe silly..but never dumb =) I think we all have so many thoughts popping into our heads, that we're trying to get them down as fast as possible before they get lost by other thoughts crowding them out LOL!

[Pharlap]

766.69 miles I drove this in 9 hours flat. Per mapquest is says 12 hours.

tks Indy, now since he had a 8 hr start and it's been 48 hrs now right?
Could do a lot of driving..

[Indy Gal]

Indy:

LOL. Well I would say the same to you, but don't want Jewel traveling all over the country side! :)
I do now too...LOLOLOL Love my food

SS is all you eat GC sandwiches? LOL