Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #4

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[Littledeer]

gee chico:

Thanks. A little forewarning would have been nice. Posting away..... LOL

Anyways this post was in regards to L being able to board a plane:

For sure!! After 9/11 there is more in place at airports regarding security. I would definately think they are all aware to be on the look out for this person.

Right????????????

[ipswitch]

Thanks chico!

You know, something else is bothering me.

Although it's not commonplace, Cpl POS could have been brought up on other charges stemming from the rape allegations (I use that term lightly, I fully believe he did rape her)

He could have been charged with Adultry. Military members are held to the standard (even though it may not seem like it) that adultry is a crime, and is punishable.

[ember]

Thanks Chico!

Question brought over from other thread asked by Dallas....

"If this has already been addressed in a previous post, please forgive me. Do we know if Cesar Laurean has any past criminal history?"



On one of the news stations, can't remember which one, they discussed this and they said NO he doesn't.

He has received a medal for good conduct by the Marines. Wish we knew when!

[paddy01]

Thanks chico

[ember]

Thanks chico!

You know, something else is bothering me.

Although it's not commonplace, Cpl POS could have been brought up on other charges stemming from the rape allegations (I use that term lightly, I fully believe he did rape her)

He could have been charged with Adultry. Military members are held to the standard (even though it may not seem like it) that adultry is a crime, and is punishable.


Oh yes! you are right! The military has very strict rules on adultry. Never thought of that!

[Pharlap]

gee chico:

Thanks. A little forewarning would have been nice. Posting away..... LOL

Anyways this post was in regards to L being able to board a plane:

For sure!! After 9/11 there is more in place at airports regarding security. I would definately think they are all aware to be on the look out for this person.

Right????????????

I was addressing that too, before we moved over.
The cams and all security around, I can't see him get on a plane....:rolleyes:

[SeriouslySearching]

Good point, Ipswitch! Could be. Is the least of his worries now tho, huh?

LD..The Sheriff just said that to make a point. He certainly doesn't think he is on a plane or tried to get on one, imo. He was being flippant with the media when he said all that. He was saying that because they do not know where he is that he cannot say what form of transportation he is taking.

And Thanks, Chico!!

[BeavisMom62]

RE the laci and connor law, I'm wondering, if since a soldier is considered "government property", and therefore federal, under this theory could he then be charged with the murder of the fetus/baby even if it wouldn't apply to NC law? (Goodness, my son came by then my parents came by for a visit, I'm off line for about an hour and it takes about that long to catch up!) Busy server today, huh?

[panthera]

gee chico:

Thanks. A little forewarning would have been nice. Posting away..... LOL

Anyways this post was in regards to L being able to board a plane:

For sure!! After 9/11 there is more in place at airports regarding security. I would definately think they are all aware to be on the look out for this person.

Right????????????
He'd have to be totally stupid to go near an airport, imo. It was bad enough he was supposedly on a bus where the public could spot him. I'm wondering if he hasn't already made it into Mexico if he's on a freight train?

[Pharlap]

Good point, Ipswitch! Could be. Is the least of his worries now tho, huh?

LD..The Sheriff just said that to make a point. He certainly doesn't think he is on a plane or tried to get on one, imo. He was being flippant with the media when he said all that.

And Thanks, Chico!!


Tks, for clearing that up.
So no buss or plane, then he'd have to steal a car/truck/motorcycle to get to Mexico..

[JDB]

Just thinking here. I wonder how much money he has left? We know he withdrew 400 on the 24th. ANd now being on the run since Friday buying a Bus ticket I do not think he is on a plane.Plus he can not use Credit cards as he is being watch super close now.

[paddy01]

Thanks Chico!

Question brought over from other thread asked by Dallas....

"If this has already been addressed in a previous post, please forgive me. Do we know if Cesar Laurean has any past criminal history?"



On one of the news stations, can't remember which one, they discussed this and they said NO he doesn't.

He has received a medal for good conduct by the Marines. Wish we knew when!

No he doesn't have any criminal record, other the rape allegations from Maria. Also Cpl. POS received Navy Achievement Medal, better known to military as a NAM, which is pretty OORAH!

[panthera]

RE the laci and connor law, I'm wondering, if since a soldier is considered "government property", and therefore federal, under this theory could he then be charged with the murder of the fetus/baby even if it wouldn't apply to NC law? (Goodness, my son came by then my parents came by for a visit, I'm off line for about an hour and it takes about that long to catch up!) Busy server today, huh?
I had a little problem with the busy server too :) I think it was mentioned on Nancy's show or somewhere in the media that he still could be charged under the Federal law, but I'm not sure what aspect makes him eligible.

[Cubby]

From Ember on the last thread:
Wouldn't the saw cause the blood to spray everywhere....kind of like throwing water into a fan? Or did it continue to really squirt after the saw was off? Just trying to figure this all out.


In his case it was afterwards. He was standing in front of the saw and it must have just been a second or two that he leaned into it before he pulled back. The blood increased with his heart rate. Less when he was calm.

Hope that makes sense.

[KOOL LOOK]

I asked this last night I believe before thread 3 started. We have some sleuthers here that know how to get personal information on people. We really don't have any on Laurean and Christine. Laurean has aliases according to a post mentioned on thread 3. Has anyone run any back ground checks? Anyone contacted law enforcement yet? It might be best to wait to bombard LE with our little hintsy tips and questions after he's caught for I'm sure their overwhelmed at this particular moment.

I'm starting to think Christine has been promised some kind of immunity for her cooperation, what a shame. I believe she has some involvement if not lots. The sheer violent bludgeoning of this pregnant woman and baby reeks of female crimes.

We should be getting details soon about the manner of death, autopsy.

[BeavisMom62]

Just thinking here. I wonder how much money he has left? We know he withdrew 400 on the 24th. ANd now being on the run since Friday buying a Bus ticket I do not think he is on a plane.Plus he can not use Credit cards as he is being watch super close now.

POS is screwed now! :woohoo: They have to catch him today. I just wish we knew more, like where he is and where his truck is!

[panthera]

Just thinking here. I wonder how much money he has left? We know he withdrew 400 on the 24th. ANd now being on the run since Friday buying a Bus ticket I do not think he is on a plane.Plus he can not use Credit cards as he is being watch super close now.
The $400. was probably spent long ago! I have no idea how much money he left home with and LE hasn't said anything about him withdrawing money from his own bank accounts. We don't know what he did with his truck either.

[Pharlap]

I still don't understand why he took a buss. Stupid, but good for LE.:)

He could of taken plates off of another truck and drove.
If someone took mine(I never look at them), I probably wouldn't know.

Back to him stealing a car/truck/motorcycle now.

[BeavisMom62]

We need another presser with some new and relevant info! I'm going nuts over here!

[Pharlap]

How close is that last seen place of him, to the gulf ocean.

[believe09]

i know that there has been quite a bit of talk about splatter etc...keep in mind that a pregnant woman produces an exceptional amount of additional blood...vessels etc...and she may have run after whatever the initial assault was...cut throat or otherwise-there was undoubtably quite a struggle by her, a Pregnant marine, and him a marine determined to kill...

[BeavisMom62]

The news keeps saying "we'll have the latest in the search" but its never anything new. I'm gonna have to go shopping for dinner and I DON"T WANNA! Gotta go. But I don't want to miss anything. Shoot!

[BeavisMom62]

i know that there has been quite a bit of talk about splatter etc...keep in mind that a pregnant woman produces an exceptional amount of additional blood...vessels etc...and she may have run after whatever the initial assault was...cut throat or otherwise-there was undoubtably quite a struggle by her, a Pregnant marine, and him a marine determined to kill...

You're right. I wish I could remember, but I wanted to be a midwife at one time and I do remember reading that the volume of blood is increased in the mother, not just due to the fetus' own blood, but her own blood volume is increased as well. Add to that her fright and the fighting and her blood pressure would be elevated, all which would contribute to furthering the blood spray/spatter, IMO.

[Littledeer]

This is absolutely going to kill me.

But I have to leave for a few. Life does exists outside of here. (It does??) LOL

In the meantime,I have had a couple of cber's call me asking for more info. I did not tell them them he might not be driving his truck.........hell, who really knows at this point. Better safe than sorry is what I was thinking. I did tell one everything that is going on, but he said he would just let the other truckers keep an eye out for that truck anyways.

Keep on sleuthing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hugs to all!

[fran]

IMO, we're probably not going to hear anything until he's in custody or dead.

So, BeavisMom62, go ahead with your RL. But keep on the 'news,' we'll hold the fort until you come back and take your seat! :)

JMHO
fran

[BeavisMom62]

Thanks Fran, just like Deer, there is a RL which I find hard to believe. If I don't go now I never will. Tootles, all! Keep my chair warm!

[KR2tonenow]

Here's a copy of the FBI release earlier:

http://charlotte.fbi.gov/pressrel/2008/ce011308.htm

This is great sleuthing! Thanks!

[KR2tonenow]

I still don't understand why he took a buss. Stupid, but good for LE.:)

He could of taken plates off of another truck and drove.
If someone took mine(I never look at them), I probably wouldn't know.

Back to him stealing a car/truck/motorcycle now.

His identify and photo are onhigh alert. He had only the one vehicle. Changing plates at this point, Iaa think they are checking all black Dodges.

Its logical he's on a bus, I sure hope they know where he got off!

[JDB]

His identify and photo are onhigh alert. He had only the one vehicle. Changing plates at this point, Iaa think they are checking all black Dodges.

Its logical he's on a bus, I sure hope they know where he got off!

He was spotted getting off a bus in Shereveport

[panthera]

He was spotted getting off a bus in Shereveport
And he could be anywhere right now. :mad:

[ipswitch]

All in all, I think theres probably a VERY good chance that Cpl POS is somewhere in the Dallas/Ft Worth area.

After all, it's not that far from Shreveport, and its a big city to hide in.

And, if he's smart (just a smidgen at least-- I really dont think he his) but what better place to hide out then in Dallas, with the Cowboys have a home playoff game. It's going to be VERY easy to blend in.

JMHO

[MrsG728]

The fact that he is property of the USA and now a Federal fugitive leads me to believe this will be a federal case and therefore, federal punishment.

IMHO, he was headed for Mexico. Bus to Shreveport to throw them off, then wanted to sneak his way through Texas to Mexico... maybe?

Just my $0.02 + I am going stir-crazy waiting for more news.
MG

[Elphaba]

I think he is making a run for the border... once he is in Mexico, he can't be touched if officials want to bring the DP against him. Getting across the border will spare him the DP... and as horrible as the crime that he committed is, he probably knows a DP charge is shadowing him.

[panthera]

All in all, I think theres probably a VERY good chance that Cpl POS is somewhere in the Dallas/Ft Worth area.

After all, it's not that far from Shreveport, and its a big city to hide in.

And, if he's smart (just a smidgen at least-- I really dont think he his) but what better place to hide out then in Dallas, with the Cowboys have a home playoff game. It's going to be VERY easy to blend in.

JMHO
Well, I don't think he got a ticket to the game, but you're right ~ a big city is easy to blend in. I still think he's trying to get into Mexico though, if he isn't already there.

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Chico

Thread 1
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58274


Thread 2
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58429

Thread 3
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58465

Timeline
http://www.charlotte.com/204/story/443403.html

His wanted poster

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/laurean_ca.htm

His POSSIBLE Myspace
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=280188354

[ipswitch]

Well, I don't think he got a ticket to the game, but you're right ~ a big city is easy to blend in. I still think he's trying to get into Mexico though, if he isn't already there.


LOL, I didn't mean he was going to the game ;)

But I think that he is headed to Mexico eventually, but why not stop off in a big city with a big event going on to kind of throw them off...

But then again, Cpl POS isn't the brightest bulb in the box.

[Indy Gal]

guys you have been posting like crazy, LOL Anything new?

[JinxieJada]

gee chico:

Thanks. A little forewarning would have been nice. Posting away..... LOL

Anyways this post was in regards to L being able to board a plane:

For sure!! After 9/11 there is more in place at airports regarding security. I would definitely think they are all aware to be on the look out for this person.

Right????????????


I haven't read all the way through #4 thread yet, so this may have been answered -

Even if some marines think he's a POS - could their be some that don't know? I'm not being silly, we've all talked about how people are oblivious to things that are going on. Now, if he has friends in marines, would/could he have them in other branches or the branches usually not socially intertwine?

Could he have gotten a military flight/buddy to give him a lift somewhere, not even necessarily out of the country?


Since the tix to El Paso, hasn't been found, nor redeemed, would an exchange show up as redemption? and if so, How long? (thinking how sometimes things will take 24 hours to post to a computer, sometimes longer)


Why the talk of H/W confidentiality IF she did no wrongdoing? Because of the note? Because of something that was possibly in the note? Or what was recovered in the home etc? Seriously though, Is there is NO way to make her talk if she doesn't have a part in this...*IMO, while maybe she didn't weld the knife or start the fire..she HAD to HAVE known SOMETHING!


The adoption thing, unless she was doing a guardianship with someone, she was working w/ a professional, either a facilitator, which I don't think NC allows, or a private placing domestic agency and/or attorney. BUT, surely LE would have been able to look into that by now if that was the case, and I imagine the Prospective adoptive parents would have stepped forward and that info would have leaked by someone. Maybe I"m wrong, but Guessing here. I've checked my adoption groups, and so far nothing has been mentioned. Plus, unless she was being whisked away by someone like Gladney, her ob as well as the hospital would have had a copy of her adoption plan..

*O/T for those that don't know what one is. It's the expectant mothers wishes on how she would like things to go considering the "adoption' aspect, if she continues through w/ her choice afterbirth. Some of the things ours covered, was who was to be in the room, when, did we want to hold our daughter, name her our choice of name on the original birth certificate, whose last name (ours or Adoptive parents, we have totally open ID'ing info and updates,as well as her mom (our bdaughters), was in the delivery room when she was born) , what articles did we want from her belongings at discharge, who was the baby leaving with/being escorted out by etc.*

ok back to reading LOL will have more questions shortly I'm sure

[JDB]

I think it is rather strange that we have not heard one word from His Family . Also Clark county NV is Las Vegas.

[JinxieJada]

Just thinking here. I wonder how much money he has left? We know he withdrew 400 on the 24th. ANd now being on the run since Friday buying a Bus ticket I do not think he is on a plane.Plus he can not use Credit cards as he is being watch super close now.


Cash advances? Someone WU some money to him? Under 999.99 you do not have to present id, only have a password from the sender to pick it up. Prepaid credit card/reloadable gift card? All you need to do is have the number to reload it, you can go online, and the card for the user is totally anonymous. Well, they would have the IP that purchases etc were done from, but there is no name on the card...And since it's visa....it works everywhere for the most part.

[Indy Gal]

http://www.wmtw.com/mostpopular/15038746/detail.html

Authorities said they think a key suspect in the death of a pregnant Marine may be on his way to Texas.

Authorities said Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean was spotted on a Greyhound bus in Shreveport, La. The Shreveport police chief said local police are working with the U.S. Marshal's Service and other agencies in their search.

Ed Brown, sheriff of Onslow County, North Carolina, where charred remains believed to be that of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and her unborn child were found Saturday, expressed hope Sunday morning that Laurean would soon be in custody.

"I would say it might sooner than maybe had been expected," he said.

[panthera]

LOL, I didn't mean he was going to the game ;)

But I think that he is headed to Mexico eventually, but why not stop off in a big city with a big event going on to kind of throw them off...

But then again, Cpl POS isn't the brightest bulb in the box.
I know, I was just teasing! :) The ticket came from Dallas, which to me means someone in the Dallas area bought it. Does he have any relatives there?

[JinxieJada]

I think he is making a run for the border... once he is in Mexico, he can't be touched if officials want to bring the DP against him. Getting across the border will spare him the DP... and as horrible as the crime that he committed is, he probably knows a DP charge is shadowing him.


IIRC someone posted that he was from Mexico, or maybe his parents were - anyways, if he is in fact from there, would he hold sometype of dual citizenship?

Would Mexico try him, or would he just be down there like nothing ever happened? (IE, No legal ramifications, as long as he didn't step foot here in the states)

IF that's the case, can they somehow legally detain his wife and kiddo, so that they don't get to just go "play house" somewhere? I would like to think she wouldn't do that, but until she's cleared, I'm thinking crazy scenarios LOL.

[Indy Gal]

JJ IIRC it was posted way back that once in Mexico he could not be brought back here due to the DP.. I think

[paddy01]

I think it is rather strange that we have not heard one word from His Family . Also Clark county NV is Las Vegas.

I so agree with you. If that were my son, brother or family member I would have gotten to media asking him turn himself in, I believe he's been in contact with his family. IMO

[JinxieJada]

JJ IIRC it was posted way back that once in Mexico he could not be brought back here due to the DP.. I think

No, I understand he cannot be extradited, but was wondering if Mexico's officials could try him for the crime there somehow?

[Elphaba]

Mexico will not extradite on a DP case... it would take vigilante justice to get him back into the US for a DP case. NC prosecutors would have to bargain with Mexico on the legal grounds of not seeking the DP. This is the same thing if he went to Canada... our neighboring countries frown on DP cases.

[Indy Gal]

No, I understand he cannot be extradited, but was wondering if Mexico's officials could try him for the crime there somehow?
Is there a way to look it up?? I have no clue and dont think I have seen it done, off to search

ETA I have no idea where to start, IDEAS?

[panthera]

No, I understand he cannot be extradited, but was wondering if Mexico's officials could try him for the crime there somehow?
I don't think so.

[JinxieJada]

I so agree with you. If that were my son, brother or family member I would have gotten to media asking him turn himself in, I believe he's been in contact with his family. IMO


Exactly to both of you! Or even a family friend/babysitter/wife's friend, someone...either saying it was a mistake,it's something they never thought he would do, or badmouthing him...SOMETHING! In almost every case like this, someone talks about the people.


look at Meredith, and how many people stepped forward how they loved her and how vibrant she was. On that same note, people even stepped forward about GMH - both semi ok, and downright horrible...BUT nothing mentioned about these two other than the wife's mother saying people are devastated for the other family?

Soo did people maybe know this was a possibilty? Not the extent he went, but maybe they were aware of the harassment taking place?...don't want to be questioned further and/or implicated if he's found? I don't know, just speculating here....

Another tangent - has anyone come across the facebook page that had been set up for her - I'm facebook illiterate, but IIRC one of the early media reports said that there was message from friends and marines, just wondering if there's any implications in those entries.

[Elphaba]

http://www.escapingjustice.com/extrafpo.htm

This will help in understanding the issues, some...

(keep in mind, it is not as cut and dry as it reads, but it gives you some idea on what we would be dealing with if he gets across the border)

[JinxieJada]

http://www.escapingjustice.com/extrafpo.htm

This will help in understanding the issues, some...

(keep in mind, it is not as cut and dry as it reads, but it gives you some idea on what we would be dealing with if he gets across the border)


Thanks Elpha -

Off to read =)


based off of elpha's link


Although the Mexican Constitution provides for the death penalty, no one has been executed, nor the provision implemented, since the mid-1950's. [See “1917 Constitution of Mexico”, Article 22, which states “ . . .[C]apital punishment . . . can only be imposed for high treason committed during a foreign war, parricide, murder that is treacherous, premeditated, or committed for profit, arson, abduction, highway robbery, piracy, and grave military offenses.”])



So if I'm understanding correctly, this case would meet the grounds for Capital Punishment, it's just that it's never been doled out since the mid 50's? Shoot, it fits premeditated, commited for profit (personal gain obviously), possibly abduction, and it's very treacherous, unless they're using the words differently. Am I on the right thought process based on the reading? Or am I misinterpreting?


WAIT! based on this article could he not be tried? Since the crime meets their grounds of Capital Punishment, AND he may be a mexican citizen/national/dual citizenship?

Mexican prosecutors have asserted that prosecution under Article IV is sufficient compliance with the Extradition Treaty. Article IV allows Mexico to try fugitives for crimes committed in a foreign territory by or against a Mexican citizen. The trial is conducted in accordance with Mexican Federal Law. Such provisions apply if the accused is located in Mexico, has not been tried in the country where he committed the offense, and the charged offense is a crime in both the foreign country and Mexico.

[Indy Gal]

http://www.escapingjustice.com/extrafpo.htm

This will help in understanding the issues, some...

(keep in mind, it is not as cut and dry as it reads, but it gives you some idea on what we would be dealing with if he gets across the border)
Thanks!

[ipswitch]

FWIW regarding NC adoptions...

My birthdaughter was born in NC, and her adoptive parents were military.

I didn't have an adoptive birth plan, and it wan't until the day she was discharged that I had to notify the hospital who she was going home with.

But, all the adoption talk regarding Maria were heresay anyways. It was never confirmed that she was placing the child. Her mother said it would be best if she did, and we were speculating that possibly Cpl POS was trying to pressure Maria into letting his wife adopt (IIRC)

Also, regarding the H/W confidentiality, I have been wondering why the DA was mentioning it so often, b/c I think she HAD to know something.

Also, did anyone notice in the FBI link that they had his place of birth unknown? Granted it could be because they were rushing to put it out, but I find that kind of weird.

JMHO

[paddy01]

http://www.escapingjustice.com/extrafpo.htm

This will help in understanding the issues, some...

(keep in mind, it is not as cut and dry as it reads, but it gives you some idea on what we would be dealing with if he gets across the border)

Thanks Elphaba, excellent info, how in the world did you know where to look for that!

[TGIRecovered]

If he does have family in Mexico, someone could be driving from there to meet him in Dallas. Maybe he is laying low waiting for a ride. If he gets in someone else's private vehicle he will be much harder to find.

I wish we had a pic of what he may look like in civvies and with a couple days of facial hair. If he doesn't want to be recognized he may be trying to look less clean-cut.

Susan

[Indy Gal]

I asked this way back BUT if she was going to do adoption would she go to el paso to do it?

[JinxieJada]

I asked this way back BUT if she was going to do adoption would she go to el paso to do it?


You can go pretty much anywhere and do an adoptive placement. There are agencies and attorneys located in every state, and most every major city/surrounding suburbs. Would she go to El Paso to do it? I don't know...Could she find an agency/attorney in the area to handle an adoptive placement..Most definitely

[Indy Gal]

You can go pretty much anywhere and do an adoptive placement. There are agencies and attorneys located in every state, and most every major city/surrounding suburbs. Would she go to El Paso to do it? I don't know...Could she find an agency/attorney in the area to handle an adoptive placement..Most definitely
Thanks just trying to make sense of this ticket, if she was the one who bought it. Which I am coming up with no reason she needed to go there

[JinxieJada]

FWIW regarding NC adoptions...

My birthdaughter was born in NC, and her adoptive parents were military.

I didn't have an adoptive birth plan, and it wan't until the day she was discharged that I had to notify the hospital who she was going home with.

But, all the adoption talk regarding Maria were heresay anyways. It was never confirmed that she was placing the child. Her mother said it would be best if she did, and we were speculating that possibly Cpl POS was trying to pressure Maria into letting his wife adopt (IIRC)

Also, regarding the H/W confidentiality, I have been wondering why the DA was mentioning it so often, b/c I think she HAD to know something.

Also, did anyone notice in the FBI link that they had his place of birth unknown? Granted it could be because they were rushing to put it out, but I find that kind of weird.

JMHO


Thanks for the insight how it works there in NC - Maybe I should have it wasn't mandatory, but most places do nowadays to help things go smoothly? I'm guessing based off reports she was supposedly emotionally needy - I'd guess if she were going through a placement plan, and was isolated as it sounds, she might have leaned pretty heavily on either the liason/professional and/or prospective adoptive parents...that make a bit more sense :blowkiss: at times, they can be great resources for support. I'm curious to know, if she had any type of baby arrangements in her location - clothing, bassinet/crib/moses basket etc. you know, signs for an impending birth etc? I agree though, it's purely hearsay, maybe that was released in case people thought he might just have her stashed somewhere? thinking if he heard she was giving the baby up, maybe he'd let her go?

I know nothing's been said about kidnapping per se, but just thinking aloud here ^^

[panthera]

If he does have family in Mexico, someone could be driving from there to meet him in Dallas. Maybe he is laying low waiting for a ride. If he gets in someone else's private vehicle he will be much harder to find.

I wish we had a pic of what he may look like in civvies and with a couple days of facial hair. If he doesn't want to be recognized he may be trying to look less clean-cut.

Susan
Maybe I missed it (other than Dallas being a big city and easy to hide in), but why would he be in Dallas instead of some other city or town much closer to the border?

[TGIRecovered]

I asked this way back BUT if she was going to do adoption would she go to el paso to do it?

I can't imagine why she would do something like that. The ElPaso that I saw was not a very nice place...lost of violence and drugs being sold, illegals everywhere.

The border of Texas and Mexico really does run right thru the middle of town. Not a good place for a vulnerable young lady about to give birth!

Susan
(I'm a birthmom too! Way back in 1980 when all records were closed...had no idea where he was until he found me a couple of years ago! All I knew was that the family was Christian and had been carefully screened by the agency. Meeting him was wonderful!)

[chiperoni]

I hope all the border guards have been put on alert, but I guess it would be easy to slip into Mexico from the USA if he knows his way around.

[JinxieJada]

I can't imagine why she would do something like that. The ElPaso that I saw was not a very nice place...lost of violence and drugs being sold, illegals everywhere.

The border of Texas and Mexico really does run right thru the middle of town. Not a good place for a vulnerable young lady about to give birth!

Susan
(I'm a birthmom too! Way back in 1980 when all records were closed...had no idea where he was until he found me a couple of years ago! All I knew was that the family was Christian and had been carefully screened by the agency. Meeting him was wonderful!)


Ok, scratch that idea then...I don't know the area...wow..it's really that bad? BUT there are 124 agencies/attorneys listed in the El Paso area...So while maybe not El Paso itself, she could have found some yes? Again, though, I don't think it's likely she was pursuing that avenue though..I don't know..just a feeling.


Small world Susan! Congrats on the reunion!

[SeriouslySearching]

BTW~ wasn't there something about Western Union and money being wired to Maria around the same time the ATM was used by him? (All after she was already dead.)

[Elphaba]

Thanks Elphaba, excellent info, how in the world did you know where to look for that!


Just did some digging... I'm like a sponge when it comes to wanting to know something. LoL

[ipswitch]

JinxieJada, I'm not sure how it is nowadays... my birthdaughters was in 95, and the last potential birthmother in NC that I counseled was in 2003. She said that it was very similar in 2003 vs 1995, but things could have changed in the last few years.

panthera- the Dallas thing was pure speculation on my part, just a theory :)

TGIRecovered-wow! we've got ourselves a whole gaggle of birthmoms here! What are the odds :)

[Indy Gal]

Just did some digging... I'm like a sponge when it comes to wanting to know something. LoL
I know who to go to now when I cant find something..LOL

[Elphaba]

I hope all the border guards have been put on alert, but I guess it would be easy to slip into Mexico from the USA if he knows his way around.

Does anyone know if the militia people are still putting time in keeping the border covered, down there? If so, it would be great if they were made aware of him...

[TGIRecovered]

Maybe I missed it (other than Dallas being a big city and easy to hide in), but why would he be in Dallas instead of some other city or town much closer to the border?

Earlier today he was reported to have been spotted on a bus in Shreveport, Louisiana, possibly headed to Texas. Shreveport is on I-20 just outside of Texas. Dallas/Ft Worth is the next large city on I-20.

This morning I was speculating that if he was indeed headed for Mexico, and since there was a bus ticket purchased back in December for travel to El Paso, he might be headed straight thru Texas to the Mexico border. That route would have brought him right thru the town I live in, Abilene.

Apparently there has been another press release putting the bus theory in question since he may have been getting off of the bus, not on.

I'm confused too.

Susan

[SeriouslySearching]

Elphaba, not sure about that...but we do have National Guardsman on the border who would be more than happy to bring in a Marine that killed another soldier and her child, I bet!

[SuziQ]

Like JJ, I'm thinking outloud here. There are reports that the bus ticket that Maria supposedly bought to El Paso, was found in her abandoned car. But it's also been stated that the ticket has never been found. Now for some reason LE has info that Cesar was headed to El Paso. I'm pretty sure it's because LE found a long distance purchase that Cesar made very recently or he used Maria's ticket. I know it's been stated that Cesar did not use her ticket on his recent adventure. But with all the misreporting (bus, car, bus, car, No, Ea, So and We) how accurate is the info regarding Maria's bus ticket use?

[SeriouslySearching]

Good Point, SuziQ!

[panthera]

panthera- the Dallas thing was pure speculation on my part, just a theory :)


I understand! :blowkiss:

[Elphaba]

Elphaba, not sure about that...but we do have National Guardsman on the border who would be more than happy to bring in a Marine that killed another soldier and her child, I bet!

I found the Minuteman page... there is an organization of them in Texas, but their webpage seems to be more about raising monies and such... doesn't look as if they are out watching the borders.

[JinxieJada]

Did I miss something? How do we know the ticket came from Dallas? :confused:

BTW~ wasn't there something about Western Union and money being wired to Maria around the same time the ATM was used by him? (All after she was already dead.)


I believe someone posted about that now that you mention it SS - gonna do a search and see if I can find it mentioned - good memory ^

Edit

^http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/index.html

A search warrant released with the other documents Thursday seeks Western Union records, saying authorities have reason to believe Lauterbach may be receiving financial support through money transfers.






What if he was wiring them to HER but only using the password pickup system? It would show in the cmputer to her or from her - BUT wouldn't show much of anything in way of who the picker upper was...Have a blonde friend pose not much of a problem...hmmmm :waitasec:

[Pharlap]

Just got back, did I miss anything.:confused:
Man all the posts I have to catch up on.

[SeriouslySearching]

So he could have had his family sending money to HER instead of with his name to make people think she was still alive. Yes?

[SeriouslySearching]

Just got back, did I miss anything.:confused:
Man all the posts I have to catch up on.Nothing really new. :rolleyes:

[soobs]

TGIRecovered-wow! we've got ourselves a whole gaggle of birthmoms here! What are the odds :)[/QUOTE]

O/T But you birth moms rock! I'm on the other side, the adoptive mom, and know how unselfish you are for doing what you did for your child. Many people don't understand that. IT's gotta be about the child! What's best for the child! XO

[SuziQ]

Wow, it's been years since I used Western Union. I have no idea how it works. But someone was sending money to a dead person. That's pretty inciminating.

[TGIRecovered]

BTW~ wasn't there something about Western Union and money being wired to Maria around the same time the ATM was used by him? (All after she was already dead.)

Yes, good memory, SS!

So maybe POS needed money to run and tried to kill two birds withone stone by having it wired to Maria...making it appear that it was she who was running! He had Maria's ID by then and could have had his wife pick up the $ using Maria's ID. You think?

Susan

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, that is what I think. And if true...wife is up to her eyeballs in this.

[JinxieJada]

Yes, good memory, SS!

So maybe POS needed money to run and tried to kill two birds withone stone by having it wired to Maria...making it appear that it was she who was running! He had Maria's ID by then and could have had his wife pick up the $ using Maria's ID. You think?

Susan


:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap: Thank you....

[Indy Gal]

Yes, that is what I think. And if true...wife is up to her eyeballs in this.
She just has to be doesnt she?

OT But I did like bennihanis it was awesome! And his family wanted to eat early due to colts game..LOL

[SuziQ]

And used her bus ticket at the same time. I'm trying to track down exactly what the situation is with the bus ticket. Was it found or not? Has Cesar used it or not? He probably didn't use that ticket as I think LE would have had it flagged or something. But I could also understand Cesar wanting to use it. If he had it, why let it go to waste?

[Pharlap]

Nothing really new. :rolleyes:


Tks, just caught up with the posts....:)

[SeriouslySearching]

If she did happen to be home when all of this took place...it would mean that possibly their daughter was present too. Anyone figure out how old she is yet? The neighbor is the only one I have heard mention the child saying they used to see him out playing with her. (Same neighbor that he borrowed the shovel from, btw.)

[TGIRecovered]

TGIRecovered-wow! we've got ourselves a whole gaggle of birthmoms here! What are the odds :)

O/T But you birth moms rock! I'm on the other side, the adoptive mom, and know how unselfish you are for doing what you did for your child. Many people don't understand that. IT's gotta be about the child! What's best for the child! XO[/quote]


Back at you, soobs!:blowkiss:

Susan

[JinxieJada]

And used her bus ticket at the same time. I'm trying to track down exactly what the situation is with the bus ticket. Was it found or not? Has Cesar used it or not? He probably didn't use that ticket as I think LE would have had it flagged or something. But I could also understand Cesar wanting to use it. If he had it, why let it go to waste?


Could he have SOLD the ticket..say via craigslist or something...Can't they be turned in/exchanged for x amount of days? timeframe is a bit off I know, but I've listed stuff on craigslist and had it gone w/ a matter of mins sometimes. Not usually, but it's happened. If that's a possibility, someone may have purchased it to use later, or to redeem as a refund for cash, and wouldn't think odd for someone to be selling it. Kwim?

[Indy Gal]

If she did happen to be home when all of this took place...it would mean that possibly their daughter was present too. Anyone figure out how old she is yet? The neighbor is the only one I have heard mention the child saying they used to see him out playing with her.
All I heard in articles last night was 2 years old? Could be wrong though

What the heck is KWIM? LOL

[JinxieJada]

If she did happen to be home when all of this took place...it would mean that possibly their daughter was present too. Anyone figure out how old she is yet? The neighbor is the only one I have heard mention the child saying they used to see him out playing with her. (Same neighbor that he borrowed the shovel from, btw.)


IIRC 2ish?

[JinxieJada]

All I heard in articles last night was 2 years old? Could be wrong though

What the heck is KWIM? LOL


Know what I mean ^^


Grr I HATE the 60 second rule LOL

[SeriouslySearching]

Know What I Mean LOL A child at two years old could be considered a witness...Look at Blake in Jessie Davis' case. He gave them a lot of information.

[SuziQ]

If she did happen to be home when all of this took place...it would mean that possibly their daughter was present too. Anyone figure out how old she is yet? The neighbor is the only one I have heard mention the child saying they used to see him out playing with her.

I could be wrong, but I think 2 years old? I'm suspicious that Christina at least had something to do with the coverup. Brown said coverup was a possibility with numerous people involved. And where the heck was Maria's body for a week? I know I keep asking that question. It just really bothers me.

On that note I'm going to go make a grilled cheese sandwich (your fault) and get some things done. BBL.

[TGIRecovered]

Could he have SOLD the ticket..say via craigslist or something...Can't they be turned in/exchanged for x amount of days? timeframe is a bit off I know, but I've listed stuff on craigslist and had it gone w/ a matter of mins sometimes. Not usually, but it's happened. If that's a possibility, someone may have purchased it to use later, or to redeem as a refund for cash, and wouldn't think odd for someone to be selling it. Kwim?


OOOOh! Could that be what the money was wired for...POS sold the bus ticket? Then when someone else uses the ticket, LE might think it was him and he could be going some other way. KWIM...Know what I mean?

[Indy Gal]

Know what I mean ^^


Grr I HATE the 60 second rule LOL
Thanks:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

ME TOO but could you imagine if we didnt have it..LOL

[SuziQ]

Could he have SOLD the ticket..say via craigslist or something...Can't they be turned in/exchanged for x amount of days? timeframe is a bit off I know, but I've listed stuff on craigslist and had it gone w/ a matter of mins sometimes. Not usually, but it's happened. If that's a possibility, someone may have purchased it to use later, or to redeem as a refund for cash, and wouldn't think odd for someone to be selling it. Kwim?

Very possible. IIRC, the bus ticket was good for six months. Maybe that is the evidence that LE found that they wouldn't explain.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL Enjoy that grilled cheese! They are YUMMY!

OK what are the possibilities of where her body could have been kept for a week?
1. garage
2. buried before burned (burned cause of the smell)

Did I see a swimming pool in the wide shot of their yard? A shed? (Wish I could remember when the neighbor said he borrowed the shovel.)

[JinxieJada]

OOOOh! Could that be what the money was wired for...POS sold the bus ticket? Then when someone else uses the ticket, LE might think it was him and he could be going some other way. KWIM...Know what I mean?


Oooohhhh - that is a thought....go further....that's why their wanting the western union records, they didn't say they were gettng them from particular store, but from western union (im thinking a group of records/transactions is what they want to view so they can pinpoint him down)


I need a clarification - The roommate that was originaly being questioned was called back from Cali right? So was she in Cali w/ that roommate or was he shipped out after she went missing? Im confused on that part..Thanks in advance!

[panthera]

So he could have had his family sending money to HER instead of with his name to make people think she was still alive. Yes?
:eek: That would mean his family (or whoever) could also be charged as accessories after the fact, right?

[JinxieJada]

LOL Enjoy that grilled cheese! They are YUMMY!

OK what are the possibilities of where her body could have been kept for a week?
1. garage
2. buried before burned (burned cause of the smell)

Did I see a swimming pool in the wide shot of their yard? A shed? (Wish I could remember when the neighbor said he borrowed the shovel.)


If reports are true, and vultures were in the area (are they talking about those Big Ole birds that look like grumpy old men?)

She would have to be somewhere "out in the open" where they could originally see her right? Birds operate on sight...Or do they also factor in scent? Is that part of the bazarre twist? Graphic - but did the birds "pick her and little one apart? If they are the type Im thinking of, those things were HUGE birds..I could see them being able to desecrate a body, maybe that's where the burn part comes in, they didn't make enough evidence disappear?

[SeriouslySearching]

The roommate is Daniel...so is a he. Yes, he was shipped out after she went missing because he is the one who contacted the mother.

[TGIRecovered]

I hate it when news happens on the weekend and you can't get any good reporting or investigating.

And I hate it MORE when every single news station covers the same thing all day, every day, same old stuff every hour. Politics is important, but the world does not stop turning, crime still happens.

If I were a criminal I know when I'd commit my crime...election time!

Susan

[Indy Gal]

IIRC Embers hubby? said that they needed the scent

How do we know it was a week until she was buried, or do we?

[JDB]

Yes, good memory, SS!

So maybe POS needed money to run and tried to kill two birds withone stone by having it wired to Maria...making it appear that it was she who was running! He had Maria's ID by then and could have had his wife pick up the $ using Maria's ID. You think?

Susan

Wife had nothing to do with this If shge did she would be in Jail

[SeriouslySearching]

:eek: That would mean his family (or whoever) could also be charged as accessories after the fact, right?Not if he told them that a friend was going to simply pick it up for him so send it in her name.

[JinxieJada]

The roommate is Daniel...so is a he. Yes, he was shipped out after she went missing because he is the one who contacted the mother.


Thanks SS - I was getting confused if he was in Cali all the time - (made me wonder how she got there to lay around etc) or after the fact. Anyone know why he got shipped out all of a sudden? was it scheduled, or did they want to keep him uninformed, and out of the media light in case there was a negative outcome? Not implicating the guy AT ALL, please noone interpret it as that...Just trying to figure out, IF the MC knew something was off, how far would they go to cover it up?

[Indy Gal]

Wife had nothing to do with this If shge did she would be in Jail
They did say they expect more arrest warrents to come though. And roomate, as I understand, has been cleared. I guess it could be a friend I just keep coming back to how she didnt know. Massive amounts of blood in the home and all:eek:

[SuziQ]

IIRC Embers hubby? said that they needed the scent

How do we know it was a week until she was buried, or do we?

LE states Maria most likely died on Dec 15th. The neighbors say they saw the bonfire after Christmas. Someone found the link and posted it last night.

[Indy Gal]

Thanks SS - I was getting confused if he was in Cali all the time - (made me wonder how she got there to lay around etc) or after the fact. Anyone know why he got shipped out all of a sudden? was it scheduled, or did they want to keep him uninformed, and out of the media light in case there was a negative outcome? Not implicating the guy AT ALL, please noone interpret it as that...Just trying to figure out, IF the MC knew something was off, how far would they go to cover it up?
I am saying they would go far! It makes them look bad:furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

Wife had nothing to do with this If she did she would be in JailNot if she is going to turn State's Evidence after he is brought in. They won't charge her because she will be granted immunity from prosecution.

[Indy Gal]

LE states Maria most likely died on Dec 15th. The neighbors say they saw the bonfire after Christmas. Someone found the link and posted it last night.
Thanks, When did the neighbor state he borrowed the shovel again. sorry mind is slipping today

[TGIRecovered]

If reports are true, and vultures were in the area (are they talking about those Big Ole birds that look like grumpy old men?)

She would have to be somewhere "out in the open" where they could originally see her right? Birds operate on sight...Or do they also factor in scent? Is that part of the bazarre twist? Graphic - but did the birds "pick her and little one apart? If they are the type Im thinking of, those things were HUGE birds..I could see them being able to desecrate a body, maybe that's where the burn part comes in, they didn't make enough evidence disappear?

If I had to hide a body quick to be disposed of later I'd dump it in the pool and put the cover on it. It's cold in December, would the pool be ice covered? Wouldn't the vultures still smell the rot even if they can't get to the body?
I'm voting pool. Garage at Christmastime...too risky. People hiding and snooping for presents. Attic...drippy. Basement, same as garage. Yup, POOL.

Susan

[SuziQ]

Wife had nothing to do with this If shge did she would be in Jail

Truthfully, we don't know where she is, only that she's safe, LE knows where she is, and she's cooperating. That could mean a number of things. All of the above could be explained by being in custody.

[Indy Gal]

If I had to hide a body quick to be disposed of later I'd dump it in the pool and put the cover on it. It's cold in December, would the pool be ice covered? Wouldn't the vultures still smell the rot even if they can't get to the body?
I'm voting pool. Garage at Christmastime...too risky. People hiding and snooping for presents. Attic...drippy. Basement, same as garage. Yup, POOL.

Susan
True! And I dont think the pool would be iced covered. When I was there 10 years ago it was still nice out, well better than Indy..LOL Although they did say somewhere that there was blood in the garage as well. I havent heard anything about the pool.

[MCDRAW]

Wife had nothing to do with this If shge did she would be in Jail


Well, we hope she would be in jail. They have been very slow to act in this case.

[SuziQ]

Thanks, When did the neighbor state he borrowed the shovel again. sorry mind is slipping today

My mind is slipping today as well. In a bit I'm going to take a nap and have nightmares about JJ's buzzards.

Let me see if I can find the shovel link. BRB.

[JDB]

They did say they expect more arrest warrents to come though. And roomate, as I understand, has been cleared. I guess it could be a friend I just keep coming back to how she didnt know. Massive amounts of blood in the home and all:eek:

Again Out of town. If the LE thought she was involved she would be locked up. It was the holidays

[SeriouslySearching]

A man who lives next door to Cesar Laurean says he loaned the Marine a shovel a week before Christmas.
~snip~
The neighbor also told WITN News he saw Laurean driving Lauterbach's car the week before Christmas. The neighbor says Laurean parked it at his home, during a time in which Laurean's wife car was not there.
http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13703757.html

[FlowerChild]

If he has family in Mexico he can get across the border with them - especially in El Paso, Matamoros and points in between. If he doesn't intend to return to the USA, he doesn't need a passport or even valid ID to get INTO Mexico - I am sure someone in his family or a friend of theirs would "loan" him an ID to get INTO Mexico with and frankly, jumping the border INTO Mexico is easy. There are also a dozen bus companies (NOT Greyhound) that go from Dallas non-stop into Mexico and I can assure you they do NOT check ID on their passengers going INTO Mexico from the USA.

Based on the amount of time that has passed he could EASILY be in Mexico already - and he does have dual citizenship by virtue of being BORN in Mexico. He is likely going there to escape the DP - he knows he is caught already - he'll either get into Mexico or die trying IMO. And I am assuming since he has not been caught he has "help" - either an "unknown" vehicle, a friend or family member or both.

This "escape" was planned and he had help with it - either the wife or family or a friend - and frankly, I am not so sure he didn't leave long before the wife said he did. I am wondering if he was already in Mexico when she reported him gone to LE???

My Opinion

[TGIRecovered]

Wife had nothing to do with this If shge did she would be in Jail

Ahhh, you forget...Sheriff says he won't arrest until he has positive proof. :rolleyes: At least that was his excuse for POS/murderer. She probably has a lawyer and Sheriff Brown seems to steer clear of lawyers as is they were the devil himself.
OR they could be leaving her out to lure POS into contacting her so they can catch him.

Susan

[KOOL LOOK]

No pools frozen over in our area. At christmas, it was mild weather.

[SuziQ]

A man who lives next door to Cesar Laurean says he loaned the Marine a shovel a week before Christmas.
~snip~
The neighbor also told WITN News he saw Laurean driving Lauterbach's car the week before Christmas. The neighbor says Laurean parked it at his home, during a time in which Laurean's wife car was not there.
http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13703757.html

Thank you SS, I found your post from this morning and was about to bump it up.

I wonder what days Christina was not there?

[panthera]

Not if he told them that a friend was going to simply pick it up for him so send it in her name.
Yes, you're right ~ I forgot that no one knew about Maria's disappearance until last week. :(

[SeriouslySearching]

Flower, they have a positive ID on him being in Shreveport, LA last night...so the theory of him already being in Mexico when she gave the letter to LE isn't possible.

[Indy Gal]

A man who lives next door to Cesar Laurean says he loaned the Marine a shovel a week before Christmas.
~snip~
The neighbor also told WITN News he saw Laurean driving Lauterbach's car the week before Christmas. The neighbor says Laurean parked it at his home, during a time in which Laurean's wife car was not there.
http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13703757.html
Thanks!:blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

So who helped him leave the car near the bus station?

[panthera]

So who helped him leave the car near the bus station?
Let me guess ~ his wife? :)

[the original tez]

Truthfully, we don't know where she is, only that she's safe, LE knows where she is, and she's cooperating. That could mean a number of things. All of the above could be explained by being in custody.

I am leaning toward her being involved. She could be in "protective custody." Therefore, Barney Fife (sorry) could say she is safe and cooperating. I don't know if she was involved before, during, or after but she knew something.

[Indy Gal]

Let me guess ~ his wife? :)
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :clap: :clap:

[FlowerChild]

"Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean was seen at a Greyhound bus station in Shreveport, La., Saturday night by several fellow passengers, said Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown. The bus Laurean was riding was headed to Texas, he said, but authorities didn't know yet if he continued on that route."

That is an ID, but hardly "positive". Eyewitness ID's are always questionable - it could have been a friend or family member posing as Laurean??? And if he really was in Shreveport Sat night and got a ride or a pick-up or took one of the "off brand" bus companies into Mexico from Shreveport he is most assuredly in Mexico by now. Sat night was over 12 hours ago at minimum.

My Opinion

[Indy Gal]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/index.html)
NEW: Police say they're just hours behind fugitive Cpl. Cesar Laurean


We have agents on the ground there. At this time we have several witnesses that have been interviewed who validated that sighting," Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown told reporters on Sunday.Brown said the suspect, Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, was seen either on a bus or getting off a bus that was heading to Texas, but cautioned, "That doesn't mean he was ... going the same direction."

[SeriouslySearching]

I haven't heard of anyone else coming forward to say they helped him without knowing the circumstances and it looks like they would speak up in case someone saw them pick him up...doesn't it?

[the original tez]

Let me guess ~ his wife? :)

Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner!!!!!:)

Let him come to S. Arkansas, I'll meet him! I will bring the "Welcome Wagon" to greet him!!!!!!:eek: (Did I just say that?)

[Indy Gal]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner!!!!!:)

Let him come to S. Arkansas, I'll meet him! I will bring the "Welcome Wagon" to greet him!!!!!!:eek: (Did I just say that?)

[peace9274]

According to a report I saw/heard, he was seen at approximately 12:30 am, Sunday.

[Indy Gal]

Updated timeline.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20080112-1531-missingmarine-timeline.html

[SeriouslySearching]

"Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean was seen at a Greyhound bus station in Shreveport, La., Saturday night by several fellow passengers, said Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown. The bus Laurean was riding was headed to Texas, he said, but authorities didn't know yet if he continued on that route."

That is an ID, but hardly "positive". Eyewitness ID's are always questionable - it could have been a friend or family member posing as Laurean??? And if he really was in Shreveport Sat night and got a ride or a pick-up or took one of the "off brand" bus companies into Mexico from Shreveport he is most assuredly in Mexico by now. Sat night was over 12 hours ago at minimum.

My OpinionThe Sheriff and other LE said it was a CONFIRMED sighting which would mean it was him. He also said the people were passengers on the bus with him for a period of time.

[norcalsleuth]

Maybe he's only traveling at night and laying low during the day. That might explain the lack of any update today.

[ipswitch]

Another newer article:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/877533.html

....snip....
Wanda Alander, who lives next door to the Laureans, said Christine Laurean was brought to the house with officers about 1 p.m., went inside and left shortly.
“When I saw her in the police car, she kept her face down,” Alander said in an interview at the Onslow Sheriffs department. Richard Alander, Wanda’s husband, said the couple discussed additional recollections about the Laureans with investigators on Sunday. Alander and her husband, Richard, said earlier this week that Cesar Laurean had borrowed a shovel two or three weeks ago. They said Laurean used to tie his small poodle like dog to a tree in the backyard but had started tying the dog to a stake in the front yard. The tree in back was near a burn pit where authorities Saturday removed human remains they said they believed were those of Lauterbach and her unborn child.





...snip



more at article

[the original tez]

The Sheriff and other LE said it was a CONFIRMED sighting which would mean it was him. He also said the people were passengers on the bus with him for a period of time.

Thank you SeriouslySearching!!! It was CONFIRMED, so that means they are taking it seriously.

IndyGal, you made me laugh! I hope all is well with you. I know this is tough on you. I hugged my six-month-old granddaughter a little tighter today. You take care of the "bean" ok? (((Hugs)))

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Tez Hugs to you also!!

[Littledeer]

putting one antler in slowly.........

I did an Intelius search on Cesar with all variations, I was amazed that most of the hits lived in CA. Not one came up with Mexico. It could be that Intelius does not include Mexico, but found that interesting.

Not sure what to say other than my opinions. I most certainly believe that Christine knows more than we do and the LE also have that information. Whether she was possibly a participant or what, guess we will just have to wait and find out.

It's been almost close to 24 hours since the last confirmed sighting of Cesar. He is either very crafty with friends helping out or the LE are behind the eight ball.

Now I'll pull my antler back out and go back to reading.

[JinxieJada]

Another newer article:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/877533.html

....snip....
Wanda Alander, who lives next door to the Laureans, said Christine Laurean was brought to the house with officers about 1 p.m., went inside and left shortly.
“When I saw her in the police car, she kept her face down,” Alander said in an interview at the Onslow Sheriffs department. Richard Alander, Wanda’s husband, said the couple discussed additional recollections about the Laureans with investigators on Sunday. Alander and her husband, Richard, said earlier this week that Cesar Laurean had borrowed a shovel two or three weeks ago. They said Laurean used to tie his small poodle like dog to a tree in the backyard but had started tying the dog to a stake in the front yard. The tree in back was near a burn pit where authorities Saturday removed human remains they said they believed were those of Lauterbach and her unborn child


Hmmm :waitasec: but she didn't know anything was amiss? How many things have to be out of the ordinary before you get it, that's something just isn't right? :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmmm...I don't see a tree near the burn pit in the backyard.

[FlowerChild]

I haven't heard of anyone else coming forward to say they helped him without knowing the circumstances and it looks like they would speak up in case someone saw them pick him up...doesn't it?
And get charged as an accessory?? I don't think so. And his family isn't likely to rat him out are they? If he got a family member or friend of the family to drive to Shreveport from Mexico to pick him up they aren't likely to tell of their involvement until they are forced to. The family being from Mexico changes a LOT in this case and adds many variables that cannot be predicted.

There are so many things that he COULD have done from Shreveport - if he was really there. And the "hours behind him" sounds a bit vague to ME. Like maybe he has made it into Mexico and they know it - and now must get cooperation from Mexico to locate him exactly.

This POS is not totally stupid and has an "out" that MOST U.S. citizens and service members do not have. IMO He's definitely headed for Mexico and if he had ANY help at all - he is already there. I hope not - but I fear "hours behind him" isn't nearly close enough to catch him before he disappears into Mexico.

My Opinion

[JinxieJada]

Hmmmm...I don't see a tree near the burn pit in the backyard.



so are they looking for the limelight OR did he get rid of the tree too?..... Firewood?

[the original tez]

Hmmm :waitasec: but she didn't know anything was amiss? How many things have to be out of the ordinary before you get it, that's something just isn't right? :confused:

You said what I was thinking!:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Now why would they be bringing her back to the house today in a police car? To show her the blood stained ceiling and walls perhaps?!

[panthera]

Ding Ding Ding, We have a winner!!!!!:)

Let him come to S. Arkansas, I'll meet him! I will bring the "Welcome Wagon" to greet him!!!!!!:eek: (Did I just say that?)
I just want to see him captured! Anywhere! :behindbar

[Littledeer]

I'm confused on this timeline that I have seen so far:

December 15th: Possible TOD for Maria

December 17th: Cesar borrows shovel from neighbor

After Christmas (25th): Neighbor sees burning in back year of Cesar's.

What happended between the 17th and after the 25th, for the burning. Does anyone realize, that he would need to dig up some dirt, for the burning to get DOWN to where Maria is at?? Sorry for being so graphic.

I could be way off the thinking process here. Have I missed something or am I just having an off day?

[Littledeer]

Also,

hugs to all adopted children and adoptive moms here!!!!!

Being an adoptee myself.

[panthera]

Now why would they be bringing her back to the house today in a police car? To show her the blood stained ceiling and walls perhaps?!
I'd like an answer to that too! She wouldn't have been staying there over the weekend since it was a crime scene, but why show up today in a police car? It also implied she left rather quickly afterward, but still in the police car? :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Flowerchild I was talking about when he dropped off her car at the bus station after he drove it for a few days. I don't think his family was there to help unless it was his wife. If it had been one of his buddies from the base or another neighbor...it looks to me like they would be coming forward to let people know they were NOT involved in any way and simply gave him a ride back to his house or wherever.

[panthera]

I'm confused on this timeline that I have seen so far:

December 15th: Possible TOD for Maria

December 17th: Cesar borrows shovel from neighbor

After Christmas (25th): Neighbor sees burning in back year of Cesar's.

What happended between the 17th and after the 25th, for the burning. Does anyone realize, that he would need to dig up some dirt, for the burning to get DOWN to where Maria is at?? Sorry for being so graphic.

I could be way off the thinking process here. Have I missed something or am I just having an off day?
The burning was about 2 wks ago according to other reports so that would be in line with the "no-burn" being lifted on 1/2/08. What seems odd too is that he borrowed a shovel from his neighbor. Why not just go buy one? What did he do with the $400. he took from Maria's bank account? :mad:

[peace9274]

Does anyone else find it odd that Christine took the note, that POS's left her, directly to Sheriff Brown without contacting an atty or MP?

Wouldn't she want an atty with her when she was questioned?

[the original tez]

I'd like an answer to that too! She wouldn't have been staying there over the weekend since it was a crime scene, but why show up today in a police car? It also implied she left rather quickly afterward, but still in the police car? :confused:

I think she is in custody. I think we will hear about her charges once he is captured.

Panthera, I want him captured too. I'd like to see him tortured too!!!

[Littledeer]

panthera:

When was the "no burning" in effect? I didnt' realize there was one.

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe they brought her back into the scene to show her everything in case she was in denial that he did those things in her house (if she was gone at the time) so they can put more pressure on her not to cover for him in any way (as in give up any info as to where he is going etc.).

[SeriouslySearching]

Does anyone else find it odd that Christine took the note, that POS's left her, directly to Sheriff Brown without contacting an atty or MP?

Wouldn't she want an atty with her when she was questioned?We don't know she didn't contact an atty and have them present.

[Littledeer]

SS:

And let's not forget that he had been seen driving Maria's car and actually parking it in his driveway while his wife was not home by a neighbor.

Wish the neighbor can also state when they saw him drive that car off his property and hans't seen it since.

[Indy Gal]

Or she could have been coming back to gather items for her and her child.

[Littledeer]

okay, just now catching up and blabbing. No wonder I'm ignored! LOL

Am I reading correctly that Christine was in a police car TODAY at the home she and Cesar lived at?

[SeriouslySearching]

It is a crime scene. Would they let her go back to collect things? I just don't know...maybe.

[KOOL LOOK]

I think she's in custody too. Because we know he would more likely than not try to contact her. Plus retaliation possibly, plus she in my opinion was involved in the murder itself.

Can you imagine the dialogue in that home since the rape allegations were first made? Then can you imagine the dialogue after she became pregnant in that home? Then can you imagine the heated dialogues as these two coworkers continued to have contact, and the wife would think about it, then approch the husband? I guarantee there wasn't peace in the home.
Can you imagine the growing animosity, friction and hatred for Maria as her belly continue to swell with child? The visual effects it would have on Laurean and Christine?

Christine, your guilty girl. If nothing else your guilty of hell hacking this man to murder. This is my opinion, for this murder was horridly thought out, horridly executed, and horridly played out and organized even up to this moment. IMO people

[JinxieJada]

I'd like an answer to that too! She wouldn't have been staying there over the weekend since it was a crime scene, but why show up today in a police car? It also implied she left rather quickly afterward, but still in the police car? :confused:


Maybe she need to grab some type of item? medications, id, bank records, phone numbers of people in Mexico...But since it's still a crime scene, they couldn't allow her to go in alone? Or maybe it was a day trip out for her cause she's in custody?

[Indy Gal]

It is a crime scene. Would they let her go back to collect things? I just don't know...maybe.
I dont know either???

[Indy Gal]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Great post as always KoolI think she's in custody too. Because we know he would more likely than not try to contact her. Plus retaliation possibly, plus she in my opinion was involved in the murder itself.

Can you imagine the dialogue in that home since the rape allegations were first made? Then can you imagine the dialogue after she became pregnant in that home? Then can you imagine the heated dialogues as these two coworkers continued to have contact, and the wife would think about it, then approch the husband? I guarantee there wasn't peace in the home.
Can you imagine the growing animosity, friction and hatred for Maria as her belly continue to swell with child? The visual effects it would have on Laurean and Christine?

Christine, your guilty girl. If nothing else your guilty of hell hacking this man to murder. This is my opinion, for this murder was horridly thought out, horridly executed, and horridly played out and organized even up to this moment. IMO people

[peace9274]

Just a theory:

Christine and her son may have been away at her family's home (where-ever that is) for an early Christmas. POS didn't go cause he couldn't get the time off. Or he cancelled at the last minute.

He told Christine he was "fixing up the house" (painting, cleaning, etc) while she was gone. She arrived home after a long drive, went to bed, and saw the note the next AM.

It's the only reason I can come up with why she didn't notice anything during the violent attack, murder, so called cover-up.

It was neighbors who reported the smell and the vultures near-by.

[JinxieJada]

We don't know she didn't contact an atty and have them present.


Light bulb maybe could that where the THIRD attorney comes into play? And why they cite the Hubby/wife confidentiality thing?

[SeriouslySearching]

Am I reading correctly that Christine was in a police car TODAY at the home she and Cesar lived at?Yes, today at 1:00pm.

[KOOL LOOK]

It is a crime scene. Would they let her go back to collect things? I just don't know...maybe.


Yes, perhaps the baby's nightitme toy that they sleep with and the last several nights have been whining for. Or to show police where everyone was at during the murder.

[the original tez]

I think she's in custody too. Because we know he would more likely than not try to contact her. Plus retaliation possibly, plus she in my opinion was involved in the murder itself.

Can you imagine the dialogue in that home since the rape allegations were first made? Then can you imagine the dialogue after she became pregnant in that home? Then can you imagine the heated dialogues as these two coworkers continued to have contact, and the wife would think about it, then approch the husband? I guarantee there wasn't peace in the home.
Can you imagine the growing animosity, friction and hatred for Maria as her belly continue to swell with child? The visual effects it would have on Laurean and Christine?

Christine, your guilty girl. If nothing else your guilty of hell hacking this man to murder. This is my opinion, for this murder was horridly thought out, horridly executed, and horridly played out and organized even up to this moment. IMO people

I'm with you Kool Look! I think she is guilty of at least being an accessory after the fact. But, I am leaning toward she was in on it from the beginning.

[panthera]

panthera:

When was the "no burning" in effect? I didnt' realize there was one.
From last fall (Oct.) until Jan. 2. Now he would be able to do a legal burn in his yard if it was 100' from his house for "fire safety" during that time, but not for a burn pile such as the fence.

[Alice253]

OK, I am totally not familiar with how the military works so this thought may be way off base - but could one of Maria's superiors (one of CL's friends) have requested that she go buy a bus ticket for them - would she have to do that, if requested/ordered? I don't know what CL might have told the friend to get them to do that.... Obviously all I know about the inner workings of the military is what I see on JAG and NCIS - :confused: .

[happy2bn10ec]

I'd like an answer to that too! She wouldn't have been staying there over the weekend since it was a crime scene, but why show up today in a police car? It also implied she left rather quickly afterward, but still in the police car? :confused:

Could be something as simple as the police were just taking her there to get her and the baby's personal things - clothes, etc. She probably didn't have much notice that she would be leaving her home. (Unless, of course, she was really in on all this - I am still undecided about the degree of her involvement.)

[KOOL LOOK]

Light bulb maybe could that where the THIRD attorney comes into play? And why they cite the Hubby/wife confidentiality thing?


I guarantee you now that he's took flight, the attorneys are not representing them. When she contacted them first with the letter, (which I believe is what happened), when she said the magic words, he's gone, I have the letter, what to do. They had to, and did tell her in no nice kind of way, to turn it in. They practically can wash their hands off from these two now that he didn't follow counsels advice and took flight.

These two didn't realize that as they executed this lastest part of the plan. They were accustomed to the attorneys protecting them and keeping that distance safely from law enforcements questions and interference. They didn't bank on the flip flop. When you cross the line, and go criminal, it's out of the hands of your attorney. No attorney tells a client to take flight.

Unless possible child custody issues. Yep the couple thought they would be dealing just with the attorneys, christine got the little shock of her life the other morn.

[Littledeer]

panthera:

Thanks for the response. That helps in clarifying why the burning was not done until after 12/25.

So he couldn't have done any burning until after January 2nd?

If Maria's DOD is supposedly December 15th..........then the blood splatters were on the walls/ceiling and any painting that Cesar had done occured between those dates.

Also, has it been confirmed that Christine was out of town during that time visiting relatives?

[TGIRecovered]

I'd like an answer to that too! She wouldn't have been staying there over the weekend since it was a crime scene, but why show up today in a police car? It also implied she left rather quickly afterward, but still in the police car? :confused:

I hope that any vehicles the POS had access to would be impounded for evidence. If hubby is on the run, he probably took all their $ with him so she can't pay to rent a car. Real man, huh? Leave the wife and kid homeless, car-less and no $ for food or shelter.

Also, she need police protection regardless of if she was involved or not. Lots of people could blame her and retaliate.

Her home is a crime scene. If she needed to get belongings for her and the child or important papers the cops would need to escort her to avoid tampering with the scene.

Susan

[Indy Gal]

Also, has it been confirmed that Christine was out of town during that time visiting relatives?
Nope I have heard nothing about her really

[SeriouslySearching]

I think the Attys have some serious issues on this one.


Brown said that Laurean has three attorneys, but they are shielding him from questioning.
"I've talked to his attorneys," Brown said. "His attorneys won't let us talk to him."

http://timjblair.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B71A619F97F176BD!80845.entry?wa=wsignin1.0

[panthera]

Could be something as simple as the police were just taking her there to get her and the baby's personal things - clothes, etc. She probably didn't have much notice that she would be leaving her home. (Unless, of course, she was really in on all this - I am still undecided about the degree of her involvement.)
You're probably right on that. Even if she was involved, she wouldn't have had her stuff packed up because, after all, she'd just found the note Friday morning (maybe). :rolleyes:

[panthera]

panthera:

Thanks for the response. That helps in clarifying why the burning was not done until after 12/25.

So he couldn't have done any burning until after January 2nd?

If Maria's DOD is supposedly December 15th..........then the blood splatters were on the walls/ceiling and any painting that Cesar had done occured between those dates.

Also, has it been confirmed that Christine was out of town during that time visiting relatives?
You're welcome! I think there is a clause in the regulation about some minimal fires a certain distance from the house, but nothing the size of a burn pile like he'd have in his yard. I haven't heard anything as fact about Christina being away.

[Littledeer]

"His attorneys won't let us talk to him."


So do they know where he is and have been in contact with him since he fled??

Isn't that against the law?????

[JinxieJada]

I guarantee you now that he's took flight, the attorneys are not representing them. When she contacted them first with the letter, (which I believe is what happened), when she said the magic words, he's gone, I have the letter, what to do. They had to, and did tell her in no nice kind of way, to turn it in. They practically can wash their hands off from these two now that he didn't follow counsels advice and took flight.

These two didn't realize that as they executed this lastest part of the plan. They were accustomed to the attorneys protecting them and keeping that distance safely from law enforcements questions and interference. They didn't bank on the flip flop. When you cross the line, and go criminal, it's out of the hands of your attorney. No attorney tells a client to take flight.

Unless possible child custody issues. Yep the couple thought they would be dealing just with the attorneys, christine got the little shock of her life the other morn.


Oh no, I wasn't implying that the attorneys told them to take flight, just wondering if the third attorney came in as an outsider, for her, or for him...or taking into account what you stated, maybe the first two attorneys dumped him as you describe when he took off and she retained another before turning in the letter? But then the one article above states that the attorneys are shielding him....not sure about military attorneys, but there are some pretty shady attorneys out there...not sure if they go that far to tell their client to take flight..but I'm sure one could discuss it with their attorney as a hypothetical thing right....would the attorney then be bound by attorney/client confidentiality too?

:waitasec: Just throwing thoughts out here....

[TGIRecovered]

I think the Attys have some serious issues on this one.


Brown said that Laurean has three attorneys, but they are shielding him from questioning.
"I've talked to his attorneys," Brown said. "His attorneys won't let us talk to him."

http://timjblair.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B71A619F97F176BD!80845.entry?wa=wsignin1.0

Wah wah wahhhh!:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:

If he won't talk and lawyers up what do you do??? Crime investigation 101...go find some kind of probable cause to bring him in with a warrant. Talk to his neighbors, co-workers, family and friends. That right there would have given LE the sighting of POS driving her car, stinky and vultures in his backyard, borroewd shovel, burn pile...plenty of probable cause for a search warrant.
Sorry Sheriff, you are just too careful not to step on any toes.

Susan

[KR2tonenow]

What I can't get around is, what did he do with the Maria before he burned her? He buried her then burned her late???.

All of this, while wifey was out of town? I wish we could get a confirmation on her whereabouts we well!!

[panthera]

Wah wah wahhhh!:boohoo: :boohoo: :boohoo:

If he won't talk and lawyers up what do you do??? Crime investigation 101...go find some kind of probable cause to bring him in with a warrant. Talk to his neighbors, co-workers, family and friends. That right there would have given LE the sighting of POS driving her car, stinky and vultures in his backyard, borroewd shovel, burn pile...plenty of probable cause for a search warrant.
Sorry Sheriff, you are just too careful not to step on any toes.

Susan
Are you sure you're not Nancy in disguise here??!! That sounds so like what she'd say and I agree! :clap: :clap:

[Indy Gal]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Nancy is that you? LOLAre you sure you're not Nancy in disguise here??!! That sounds so like what she'd say and I agree! :clap: :clap:

[rccook555]

I promise i will not make any comments about hormones or Bus tickets. :truce:

I noticed most you you calling his wife Christine. I was just wondering if it was Christine or Christina? I noticed on the married licence she used Christina. Just wondering as it would help with searches i am doing.
Thanks!!!

[Taximom]

Is he still on the run? I'm going to TRY to catch up, but there's like 800 comments that I have to read!!!!

[JinxieJada]

If he does make it to mexico - Will she too be discharged from the service? Will she pretty much be free to go down to him after awhile? Or will she be "watched" to see if they can bring him in some other way....


Bear with me a second -

we've speculated one scenario where she knew about it, participated in it, or just plain out did it. What IF - she was a party to all this, but there is nothing concrete pointing to her? He knows that if he goes to Mexico , for all intents and purposes he's a free man. He has family there, maybe bilingual, aka, he could set up "house" She joins him whenever, and while life isn't the same, they're free, together, and can go about life.

Is there anything that can MAKE her stay stateside? Or if they can't find him, tie any evidence to her, is it pretty much "over with" for lack of a better phrase, unless he were to step foot back on US soil.

Since he couldn't be extradited by legal purposes, is there anything the military can do to go fetch his butt, wouldn't he be considered AWOL or something similiar now that's it is known that he "took off"?

[happy2bn10ec]

So do they know where he is and have been in contact with him since he fled??

Isn't that against the law?????

I think that quote was from the first press conference.

[JinxieJada]

I promise i will not make any comments about hormones or Bus tickets. :truce:

I noticed most you you calling his wife Christine. I was just wondering if it was Christine or Christina? I noticed on the married licence she used Christina. Just wondering as it would help with searches i am doing.
Thanks!!!


LOL I don't have the answer to your question, but I got a giggle from your opening statement :blowkiss:

[Indy Gal]

Is he still on the run? I'm going to TRY to catch up, but there's like 800 comments that I have to read!!!!
Still running taxi, But they say they are closing in on him..W00T!

RCC I believe the name is Christina at least that is what is printed, Thanks for searching for us

[Littledeer]

I've already stated my belief that Ed Brown screwed this up and most likely because of his "nonchalent" investigation allowed Cesar to be where he is at now.

Either safe in Mexico or very close to there.

[KOOL LOOK]

I think the Attys have some serious issues on this one.


Brown said that Laurean has three attorneys, but they are shielding him from questioning.
"I've talked to his attorneys," Brown said. "His attorneys won't let us talk to him."

http://timjblair.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!B71A619F97F176BD!80845.entry?wa=wsignin1.0


That was in the first news conferences, before he took flight right? I think I'm correct on this. Because when brown said this, they weren't hunting for him yet. Just that he wouldn't come in and speak with them on several scheduled appts.

[JinxieJada]

Haven't caught notice of anyone mentioning it, but thought I'd ask anyways..If not, does anyone think it will be? Sounds morbid and sick maybe, But i'd love to know how he tried to explain all of this.

[Littledeer]

rc:

Her name is Christina. I am the goofball that has been putting the e instead of the a at the end of her name.

Blame me.

[Indy Gal]

I've already stated my belief that Ed Brown screwed this up and most likely because of his "nonchalent" investigation allowed Cesar to be where he is at now.

Either safe in Mexico or very close to there.
See I am starting to think the military screwed up. Not that I like brown but he stated last night that 1. he got this case last week and 2 didnt even know of the protective order until AFTER she was found.

[Taximom]

Thanks, Indy. :blowkiss:

If he makes it to Mexico, they won't extradite him here if they want the death penalty here.
:(

[rccook555]

Still running taxi, But they say they are closing in on him..W00T!

RCC I believe the name is Christina at least that is what is printed, Thanks for searching for us

Thanks for clarifying that Indy! I have about 50 web pages open and its funny how much difference an E or an A makes at the end of a name.

[Indy Gal]

Thanks, Indy. :blowkiss:

If he makes it to Mexico, they won't extradite him here if they want the death penalty here.
:(
Although someone just brought up a good point, Will the millitary go after him?

[Taximom]

Can someone refresh my memory? Why did he choose Friday at 4 a.m. to leave? As far as we knew about 8 hrs prior to that, the sheriff had good news for us and was expecting a favorable outcome.

Soooooo, why did he feel Friday was the day to leave a note and take off running?

[Littledeer]

Thanks all for the clarification on when the quote was "that his attorneys wouldn't let him speak"

[panthera]

Is he still on the run? I'm going to TRY to catch up, but there's like 800 comments that I have to read!!!!
I'm watching football and not the news, but as far as I know, he hasn't been caught yet. I've been checking online at msnbc.

[happy2bn10ec]

See I am starting to think the military screwed up. Not that I like brown but he stated last night that 1. he got this case last week and 2 didnt even know of the protective order until AFTER she was found.

Yep, I agree with that - Brown stated the the Onslow County SD contacted the Marines when they heard from her family - NOT the other way around.

[Indy Gal]

Can someone refresh my memory? Why did he choose yesterday at 4 a.m. to leave? As far as we knew about 8 hrs prior to that, the sheriff had good news for us and was expecting a favorable outcome.

Soooooo, why did he feel yesterday was the day to leave a note and take off running?
I have no answer but think it was due to Brown getting close to him. He knew I think that the military wasnt gonna do much to protect their azzes

[panthera]

Can someone refresh my memory? Why did he choose yesterday at 4 a.m. to leave? As far as we knew about 8 hrs prior to that, the sheriff had good news for us and was expecting a favorable outcome.

Soooooo, why did he feel yesterday was the day to leave a note and take off running?
Just to clarify, it was Friday morning, not yesterday. As for a reason, maybe he felt LE would be coming to question him? I don't know!

[TGIRecovered]

Are you sure you're not Nancy in disguise here??!! That sounds so like what she'd say and I agree! :clap: :clap:

You want to know how slow I am? I thought you meant Nancy Drew!:confused:

Yup, Ms. Grace has had an influence on me I guess!:blushing:

I keep telling my H she is only rude to people who