Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #5

[WindChime]

#4 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58496

#3 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58465

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[FlowerChild]

As I said earlier - he may NOT have been in Shreveport at all...ever.
Eyewitness accounts are often faulty and I am assuming the checked the buses going OUT of Shreveport and did NOT find him on ANY of them.

"Brown cautioned late Sunday that his detectives were still working to confirm the sightings, backing away from earlier assurances that the witness accounts were genuine. But he was confident Laurean would soon be in custody."

If he left Thursday night (and not at 4AM Friday) he is already in Mexico - you DO NOT need a passport to get into Mexico - and in many cases NO ID IS CHECKED. You need a DL or Passport to get OUT of Mexico into the US - but NOT to get into Mexico. I have friends who go every MONTH and the crossings INTO Mexico are VERY VERY LAX.

He speaks fluent (and is a native speaker) Spanish, has dual citizenship, probably has extended family IN MEXICO and had motive, means and opportunity to escape to Mexico where the DP will be taken off the table if he is apprehended. He has not been seen (with a positive ID) since he left the base sometime on Thursday. He could easily be in Mexico City by now by car or bus.

By my way of thinking POS is either in Mexico or has offed himself somewhere along the way. If he was in Shreveport at midnight he is a long way from there by now - he has had 24 hours and no-one has laid eyes on him. I am beginning to doubt though, that he was EVER in Shreveport. I still think he left Thursday and by Friday AM was far far away and closing in on the Mexican border.

My Opinion

[ember]

Wonder when wifey would say she last saw him...being that now it's suspected he wan't at work Thursday either?
I think she bought him time and will be joining him in Mexico.

[Camper]

As I said earlier - he may NOT have been in Shreveport at all...ever.
Eyewitness accounts are often faulty and I am assuming the checked the buses going OUT of Shreveport and did NOT find him on ANY of them.

"Brown cautioned late Sunday that his detectives were still working to confirm the sightings, backing away from earlier assurances that the witness accounts were genuine. But he was confident Laurean would soon be in custody."

If he left Thursday night (and not at 4AM Friday) he is already in Mexico - you DO NOT need a passport to get into Mexico - and in many cases NO ID IS CHECKED. You need a DL or Passport to get OUT of Mexico into the US - but NOT to get into Mexico. I have friends who go every MONTH and the crossings INTO Mexico are VERY VERY LAX.

He speaks fluent (and is a native speaker) Spanish, has dual citizenship, probably has extended family IN MEXICO and had motive, means and opportunity to escape to Mexico where the DP will be taken off the table if he is apprehended. He has not been seen (with a positive ID) since he left the base sometime on Thursday. He could easily be in Mexico City by now by car or bus.

By my way of thinking POS is either in Mexico or has offed himself somewhere along the way. If he was in Shreveport at midnight he is a long way from there by now - he has had 24 hours and no-one has laid eyes on him. I am beginning to doubt though, that he was EVER in Shreveport. I still think he left Thursday and by Friday AM was far far away and closing in on the Mexican border.

My Opinion




--->>>Interested in knowing how you came by the dual citizenship for
CPL POS?

This link was posted by Indy Gal on closed thread #4

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/laurean_ca.htm

It appears to be the FBI wanted poster, huh ?, and shows his birthplace as UNKNOWN.

I now suspect that he was allowed to join the Marines, being an illegal alien WHO graduated from High School in America.

Does joining our military as an Illegal Immigrant allow one to have dual citizenship?

About the tatoo, it looks as though it may be a duplication of pattern for the medieval knife sharp discs that were thrown at your enemy to wound them. I have seen such discs at the medieval fairs that happen all across America in the summertime. They are called Renaisance sp? Festivals.

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[SeriouslySearching]

I guess you were right, Flowerchild! As cautious as that Sheriff has been, I am really surprised. Earlier, they did seem very certain it was him in Shreveport, LA. (Must be true that all Marines on a bus look alike! LOL)

As much as this case has been botched from the beginning, I had hope that it couldn't get any worse with all the different entities working together on it now. No such luck.

I think LE should go after the wife swinging until she comes up with some real truth, start leaning on those Lawyers of his, and go after his family. If he has escaped to Mexico, I would have to believe all of the above knew something beforehand and/or helped him get away.

Where did you find that he has dual citizenship? I keep looking and haven't seen it.

[FlowerChild]

He has dual citizenship because he was BORN IN MEXICO according to the info from LE and his wife/family. He is probably a NATURALIZED citizen - his family obviously became citizens at some point before he turned 18. His specific birthplace may be unknown (city) but he was born in Mexico somewhere.

[STEADFAST]

--->>>Interested in knowing how you came by the dual citizenship for
CPL POS?

This link was posted by Indy Gal on closed thread #4

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/laurean_ca.htm

It appears to be the FBI wanted poster, huh ?, and shows his birthplace as UNKNOWN.

I now suspect that he was allowed to join the Marines, being an illegal alien WHO graduated from High School in America.

Does joining our military as an Illegal Immigrant allow one to have dual citizenship?



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Immigrants can enlist in the U.S. Armed Forces, but they have to be legal immigrants. They do not get automatic citizenship; however if we are involved in a foreign conflict for a year of their service, they do not have to wait the usual amount of time to become naturalized, if they so choose. They do have to go through the normal paperwork, tests, requirements (except time) etc. They are not required to become citizens of the U.S.

[SeriouslySearching]

Well...we know for certain that he is not in police custody. They better be keeping a CLOSE eye on his wife.

[STEADFAST]

Oh, never mind, you edited the question, SS. :)

[SuziQ]

In the below link article it state that the bus was headed from LA. to TX. The media outlet that said TX to LA. had it backwards.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=2459392

Witnesses said they saw Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean was seen at a Shreveport, La., station Saturday night, Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown said. The bus Laurean was riding was headed to Texas, but police don't know if he continued on that route, he said.

[barb0301]

This info might have some bearing/interest on his citizenship:

The following are the requirements for enlistment into the Regular and reserve Marine Corps.

a. For an applicant that’s going regular Marine Corps, the applicant must be a United States
Citizen, or an Alien who has:

1) A lawful Permanent Resident of the United States and is in possession of one of the following forms of evidence of that status:
(a) An un-expired form I-551, before December 1997 also known as an Alien Registration Card, and after December 1997 also known as a Permanent Resident Card.
(b) An I-94 Arrival / Departure Record on which is stamped in red ink on the lower right hand corner the words “Processed for I-551” stamp.
(c) A passport from their country of nationality in which is stamped in red ink on one of the pages a “Processed for I-551” stamp.

2) Established a bona fide residence.

3) Established a home of record in the United States.

b. For an applicant that’s going reserve Marine Corps, the applicant must be a citizen of the United States; or

1) Have been lawfully admitted into the United States for permanent residence and have applied or intend to apply for United States Citizenship.

2) Have previously served in the Armed Forces or in the National Security Training Corps.

3) Be a Canadian-born American Indian who has fulfilled the prerequisites in paragraph 3221.1c, (MPPM page 3-25)

I would be a bit uncertain about him holding dual citizenship because if his job requires him to have any level of security clearance, a dual citizenship would make this extremely difficult, if not impossble to obtain.

Just MHO :)

[i.b.nora]

According to Craig on Geraldo Show, the guy who reported it did not report it until he got to Texas. He said Cesar was on the bus and got off in Shreveport.
The Texas police then called the Shreveport police. At least, that is how I understood it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Kimberly Guilfoyle is talking about the case on Fox.

It is very scary to me that this Marine hasn't been found by the MARINE CORP! If they can't bring back one of their own accused of such a crime, what does this say about our military?! They did drop the ball in the Rape case which in turn set him up to murder her and now they possibly allowed their Marine to skip the country. Where are the Marines who should be out tracking this POS?

[Mygirlsadie]

They usually don't go out on foot looking for a missing soldier if they suspect he is awol. Obviously his ssn will be tagged so trying to get employment again will be nearly impossible and he will be tracked that way & whatever town he is trying to get a job in they will just send their local LE to pick him up and send him back to the base for punishment which will more then likely just be extra duty, loss of rank and pay and then dishcharge.. I don't know if that is how it always is but I know someone who didn't want to go to Iraq so he went awol and this is what happened to him...

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe it is time they started going out on foot looking for suspects who rape then kill other soldiers and burn them with their babies! They helped create this monster.

[barb0301]

Where are the Marines who should be out tracking this POS?

The Naval Criminal Investigative Services are the ones looking for him on the Marine side, working with FBI and other LE.

[SeriouslySearching]

Great! Aren't those the same people who didn't take her rape allegations seriously in the first place?

[TKS2003]

Kimberly Guilfoyle is talking about the case on Fox.

It is very scary to me that this Marine hasn't been found by the MARINE CORP! If they can't bring back one of their own accused of such a crime, what does this say about our military?! They did drop the ball in the Rape case which in turn set him up to murder her and now they possibly allowed their Marine to skip the country. Where are the Marines who should be out tracking this POS?

Seems like the Marine Corp has kept their distance from this situation from the get go!? He's been accused of raping a fellow soldier, and she's due to testify and no one in the Corp is keeping an eye on either one of them? And from what I understand, the Sheriff wouldnt file a MP report when her mom called , cause the Marine's didnt consider her missing yet?
Please correct what info I have wrong, I am just getting caught up on this, there are alot of threads to read to get everything straight, lol!

[SeriouslySearching]

I think that pretty much covers it, TKS.

[Jaded]

I just don't understand why he hasn't been apprehended yet.

[norcalsleuth]

Guess they weren't as close as the Sheriff indicated.

[TKS2003]

Guess they weren't as close as the Sheriff indicated.

like I said, I am not completely up to date, and welcome any corrections---that being said, maybe the sheriff/LE has something up their sleeve...maybe trying to fake him out now---or perhaps they already know he made it to Mexico, in my mind, surely thats where he wanted to get to, eh?
how much is his wife co-operating with LE? sorry so many questions, like I said, it's a lot to try and catch up on, going back to the old threads!

[norcalsleuth]

Doubt cast on sighting in LA

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/index.html

[FlowerChild]

Any person who is a citizen of a country with which the US is "allied" can hold "dual citizenship" - with the US being the "primary" citizenship and maintaining that person's passport. I can go and become a citizen of Canada and hold dual citizenship with the US and Canada - and I do NOT have to give up my US passport OR my US citizenship to do so. My husband works for an international company and he has MANY co-workers from Europe - most of them are US citizens BUT did not have to surrender their citizenship in France, Belgium, The UK etc to become US Citizens. They do have to surrender their passports and carry a US passport but otherwise they are still considered full citizens of BOTH COUNTRIES and their children also can hold dual citizenship in BOTH countries as well (no matter which country they are born in). For instance, if you are a French citizen (and a US citizen) your children who are born here can apply for French citizenship as well....and hold both.

If POS was a minor child of parents who were given US citizenship - he was also given US citizenship with them - even though he was born in Mexico. The military would have the place of birth if POS was born here - that they do not ("unknown") tells me he was definitely born in Mexico - meaning he is a naturalized US citizen who by birthright holds DUAL CITIZENSHIP, it's automatic and the US does NOT require anyone to denounce their foreign citizenship when they become US citizens so long as the US is allied with that country.

So no, the military would not require someone with dual citizenship with Mexico to denounce their Mexican citizenship to enlist in the US military or get most levels of military security clearance - so long as the person's clearance investigation can be successfully completed. I doubt POS had ANY sort of clearance at all - he was a low level paper pusher. Top Secret clearance would be about the ONLY level for which it MIGHT be harder to approve someone who was not born here or who had dual citizenship - but a 21 year old paper pushers at a US base are nowhere NEAR that level. I actually know someone who was born in Mexico, became a citizen at age 14 (with his parents and siblings), served 12 years in the US military, traveled the world - achieved a high rank, and YES, he has dual US/Mexican citizenship.

I will find a link - I think it's in a CNN transcript - but LE or the military said he was born in Mexico and held US citizenship. They do not have to SAY he has dual citizenship because if he was born in Mexico and became a US citizen , that is automatic - just like for people from ANY countries with which we are allied - Canada, Mexico, France, England, Belgium, Holland, Italy, Greece, Switzerland, et al.

My Opinion

[SuziQ]

Doubt cast on sighting in LA

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/13/missing.marine/index.html

Sheesh, for all we know Cesar is sitting dead from a SIGS wound in NC somewhere!

[Mygirlsadie]

As for US citizenship and the military... They DO require you to become a US citizen after so many years of service. I can't remember exactly but I believe it is 7 years you are allowed to stay in the military before you have to become a US citizen or get out of the military. I know because my husband had to do it in order to re-enlist in the Army.

[ThoughtFox]

This article says he is of Mexican nationality, so I imagine they are nervous if he is possibly trying to flee across the border:

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_7961502?source=most_viewed

www.fbi.gov. Marine Cpl. Cesar Armando Laurean's description:
Date of Birth: 11/13/1986

Height: 5'9"

Weight: 160 pounds

Eyes: Brown

Hair: Black

Sex: Male

Race: Hispanic

Nationality: Mexican

NCIC: The NCIC number for subject Cesar Armando Laurean is W653665176

Occupation: U.S. Marine Corps Corporal

Remarks: Laurean is a U.S. Marine Corps Corporal currently assigned to Camp Lejeune , North Carolina .

Laurean may be driving a four-door 2004 Dodge Ram truck, black in color, displaying North Carolina license plate TRR1522.

Great! Aren't those the same people who didn't take her rape allegations seriously in the first place?
Yeah - you know, this whole thing is such an unnecessary tragedy. I almost can't bear to read about it because it makes me ill. This guy was evil long before he killed her, and when she tried to explain what he did, people called her a liar and a drama queen - her own step-mother! It's unbelievable. :furious: Now a young woman and her baby are dead and not one law enforcement agency or the military was doing anything to protect her from a creep.

[FlowerChild]

I just don't understand why he hasn't been apprehended yet.

If he left Thursday (or earlier - was he seen by anyone Thursday?), is driving his own truck, (as LE now thinks he is), and has cash, (like his bank records and Marie's bank records say he does), and he was headed for Mexico (as someone who held citizenship and was facing the DP would) chances are he is now IN MEXICO - and has been since at least sometime Saturday. He was probably in Mexico before the ink was dry on the arrest warrant. I think he MAY have been in (or very close to) Mexico when his wife alerted authorities that he was gone.

This whole thing has been mishandled by everyone - but PRIMARILY the MILITARY - who did not protect Maria, did not investigate the POS and did not STOP POS from running. The military had him RIGHT THERE and couldn't keep POS from assaulting Maria, they couldn't keep POS from harassing a pregnant Maria for months, they couldn't charge POS with ANYTHING or even investigate POS for MONTHS after Maria pressed rape charges against POS and even when PRESSED by local LE could not get POS in to be questioned in Maria's disappearance. They LET him run without a single charge being brought against him. What in this fiasco makes anyone have confidence that they can apprehend him? Heck, the couldn't do anything when HE WAS RIGHT THERE FOR MONTHS!!!

And what is local LE to do? Even the FBI seems at a loss - all because the "officers" on base sat around for MONTHS doing NOTHING while POS was allowed to harass and continue to make Maria's life a living hell while pregnant with a child of HIS rape - and when they finally DID do something, they failed to PROTECT Maria from him and at the same time, emboldened POS to take the problem into his own hands and END HER LIFE (and his baby's life) without even so much as a VISIT to his house when she went missing. It's shameful and sad that this was allowed to happen under the NOSES of our military. There is something very, very wrong - the ball wasn't just dropped, it was buried 10 feet under the field by the WHOLE TEAM!

My Opinion

[barb0301]

Here's the current Marine reg about dual citizenship and security clearances. Much of this changed with 9/11 I think:

3. FURTHER, INDIVIDUALS WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY NOT
MEET SECURITY CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS, DUE TO POSSIBLE FOREIGN
PREFERENCE ISSUES. DUAL CITIZENSHIP MUST BE REPORTED TO
DONCAF FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROPRIATE ACTION. INDIVIDUALS
WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY ELECT TO RENOUNCE THEIR DUAL
CITIZENSHIP IAW REF A (APPENDIX G), EITHER AT THE TIME OF
SUBMISSION OF THE PERSONNEL SECURITY INVESTIGATION QUESTIONNAIRE OR BY SEPARATE CORRESPONDENCE TO DONCAF VIA THE COMMAND SECURITY MANAGER. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT IN PREFERENCE TO A U.S. PASSPORT RAISES DOUBT AS TO WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL'S ALLEGIANCE IS TO THE UNITED STATES. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT ALSO FACILITATES FOREIGN TRAVEL UNVERIFIABLE BY U.S. OFFICIALS. GUIDANCE REGARDING INDIVIDUALS POSSESSING OR USING A FOREIGN PASSPORT AND PROCEDURES TO BE TAKEN, CAN BE FOUND ON THE BELOW NAVY SECURITY WEBSITE.

Many "lower level" workers are now required to have some form of security clearance. Having been impacted by this as a military contractor, it was amazing who had to get one. In this instance, it would depend on what mission the POS was supporting in his logistics work, etc. With the war going on, I can certainly see him having to have a clearance.

JMO

[SeriouslySearching]

Well said, Flowerchild! They dropped and buried the ball underneath her burned body. It is so horrible how this was handled from the onset.

He should have at least been moved to another base, imo, until they could sort out the charges and insure her safety instead of another building!

Great work, Barb!! That is certainly interesting and changes things a bit. He should have been asked to hand over his passport via his attorneys before this all got out of hand while he was supposedly still around.

[FlowerChild]

Here's the current Marine reg about dual citizenship and security clearances. Much of this changed with 9/11 I think:

3. FURTHER, INDIVIDUALS WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY NOT
MEET SECURITY CLEARANCE REQUIREMENTS, DUE TO POSSIBLE FOREIGN
PREFERENCE ISSUES. DUAL CITIZENSHIP MUST BE REPORTED TO
DONCAF FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROPRIATE ACTION. INDIVIDUALS
WHO CLAIM DUAL CITIZENSHIP MAY ELECT TO RENOUNCE THEIR DUAL
CITIZENSHIP IAW REF A (APPENDIX G), EITHER AT THE TIME OF
SUBMISSION OF THE PERSONNEL SECURITY INVESTIGATION QUESTIONNAIRE OR BY SEPARATE CORRESPONDENCE TO DONCAF VIA THE COMMAND SECURITY MANAGER. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT IN PREFERENCE TO A U.S. PASSPORT RAISES DOUBT AS TO WHETHER AN INDIVIDUAL'S ALLEGIANCE IS TO THE UNITED STATES. POSSESSION AND USE OF A FOREIGN PASSPORT ALSO FACILITATES FOREIGN TRAVEL UNVERIFIABLE BY U.S. OFFICIALS. GUIDANCE REGARDING INDIVIDUALS POSSESSING OR USING A FOREIGN PASSPORT AND PROCEDURES TO BE TAKEN, CAN BE FOUND ON THE BELOW NAVY SECURITY WEBSITE.

Many "lower level" workers are now required to have some form of security clearance. Having been impacted by this as a military contractor, it was amazing who had to get one. In this instance, it would depend on what mission the POS was supporting in his logistics work, etc. With the war going on, I can certainly see him having to have a clearance.

JMO

Well one would THINK that to serve in the US Military a person would be REQUIRED to be a US Citizen - but they are NOT. How does a foreign citizen serving in the US Military get "clearance" that a US citizen holding dual citizenship cannot? POS is either a citizen of Mexico and is NOT naturalized, is a naturalized US citizen who has renounced his Mexican citizenship OR holds a dual US/Mexican citizenship - but his nationality is designated as "Mexican". Which???

Regardless - Mexico is going to SEE POS as a Mexican because he was born there - whether he has renounced his Mexican citizenship or not. If POS is in Mexico they will NOT extradite him to the US until the DP is taken off the table. As far as Mexico is concerned, POS is MEXICAN 1st and always.

IMO, If they don't find POS in the next 24 hours, POS is either in Mexico or dead.


My Opinion

[Pharlap]

Send dog after him.
He seems to find ppl that no one else does.....:eek:

[dimples37398]

Has anyone checked into the witness whom signed the POS's marriage certificate. They live NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER>>>>>>>>>>>>

If he knew him good enough in 2005 for him to be a witness on his marriage certificate, then maybe he didnt just loan him that shovel(maybe that was a cover for the neighbor when they found dna on the shovel).

Did he have help digging that hole or have help with getting her or luring her over there?

< AND IS THIS THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR THAT LOANED HIM THE SHOVEL?????????????????

....maybe this guy knows something? He might be deployed and not even in the country...but maybe he is.

I don't want to post his name on here in case he has nothing to do with it, or in case he has moved and it isnt showing up.....but .....you can find it on the marriage certificate online on the bottom left of the page....it does look like he and his wife live at

112 meadow trail

RIGHT NEXT DOOR!!!!!!! :eek: :confused: :eek:

the POS and his wife live at 103 meadow trail

[Pharlap]

I believe in one of the news interviews on tv, surrounding neighbors were asked about him...
And had no clue he was like that. If they were telling the truth.don't see why they wouldn't in less they didn't want to get involved....

[dimples37398]

I edited my message up there to say that,

if they are still next door neighbors, and he signed the POS's marriage certificate in 2005, it seems they would be pretty close to me?

This is just speculation on my part that this is the next door neighbor (if he still lives there) whom let the POS borrow his shovel.

If they have known each other for 3 years and he signed for him in 05.....

I seen a myspace page for a marine the other day and the opening line of his page next to his photo was.......

Marine Corp....

Death Before Dishonor......

Makes me wonder what they would do for each other if need be.......

[Mygirlsadie]

Funny thing about his myspace quote is that he is a big time liar! If he really means death before dishonor then he would be dead! What he did to Maria and her little baby is dishonorable to the fullest if you ask me!




I edited my message up there to say that,

if they are still next door neighbors, and he signed the POS's marriage certificate in 2005, it seems they would be pretty close to me?

This is just speculation on my part that this is the next door neighbor (if he still lives there) whom let the POS borrow his shovel.

If they have known each other for 3 years and he signed for him in 05.....

I seen a myspace page for a marine the other day and the opening line of his page next to his photo was.......

Marine Corp....

Death Before Dishonor......

Makes me wonder what they would do for each other if need be.......

[Bobbisangel]

Do they know yet how he got her over to his house? Was her car at his house or somewhere else?

Where was his wife when the murder took place? LE said that there was blood all over the walls and ceiling. Was the wife at home or away visiting someone? When she came home and found the note I would guess that he had already taken off. The note said she committed suicide but anyone with half a brain could look at the frontroom and know that it wasn't a suicide. I wonder if the wife called LE right away? Did the wife know that Maria was pregnant with her husband's child? Did she help him with the murder but her husband is taking the blame by taking off? I really want to know where the wife stands in this horror. Where was she...home or gone?

Sounds like he is headed for Mexico on a bus. Dumped his truck somewhere. I hope they have the borders covered. Wonder if he remembered to take lots of ID with him or he won't even get close to Mexico...that is where his parents live. They don't speak english. I just hope they catch him soon so he can take his punishment and Maria can have justice like she deserves. What a nightmare and no one to look out for her.

It was her adoptive mother that made the comment about her being bi-polar and a liar. That was said on the news.

[FlowerChild]

FYI It is about 1530 miles from Jacksonville, NC to Laredo TX - one of several border towns in TX much closer than El Paso. That's about 25 hours driving at 60 MPH without stops except for gas. He left Jacksonville sometime Thurs night (it was before 4AM Fri morning if the wife is to be believed). If he was driving, even if he stopped and slept a few hours, he was in Mexico by sunrise Sunday morning. If he was on a bus, and IF he was in Shreveport Saturday at midnight he could easily have been in Mexico by bus by midnight Sunday - its only 578 miles from Shreveport to Laredo. I don't think he would have gone to El Paso when Laredo, McAllen and Eagle Pass are all closer to Shreveport.

IF POS was headed to Mexico, he would be there by now. And if he is driving his own vehicle all he had to do was head off into the Texas/Mexico border area on any one of hundreds of dirt roads and drive straight to the border and cross. Border patrol isn't looking for people sneaking INTO Mexico. They won't find his vehicle for days and it may even get stolen before LE can find it.

Otherwise he took a Greyhound bus and A - got off in Laredo or McAllen and walked or rode one of the little tourist trams into Mexico. Or B - took one of the 20 or 30 independent bus company's buses that transport Mexicans legally into and out of the US every day from Shreveport, or Dallas and rode in to Mexico with the other travelers returning from the US. He doesn't need a passport or an ID to get IN to Mexico...just to get back OUT. They barely look at you OR your ID when you enter Mexico from the US and I'll betcha POS has a Mexican birth certificate - if so, that is ALL HE NEEDS - IF he is asked for any ID at the border at all. He is a native Mexican Spanish speaker - he wouldn't get a second glance riding on one of the Mexican bus lines or walking across at the border on a weekend. He'd blend right in.

LE didn't issue the warrant until Sat AM - POS could easily have been in Mexico before any BOLO went out nationwide.

[barb0301]

I think he's in a border town, waiting until the foot traffic picks up tomorrow morning across the bridges. Then he's just going to walk across the border, happy as a pig in a poke. Foot and vehicle traffic is too quiet on a Sunday night to make it feasible to go tonight. If he's not already crossed, he's holed up, waiting to cross tomorrow in any number of towns and you're right, Laredo and McAllen are good ones. Although, I don't think I'd head to Laredo right now with all the killings and such with drug wars.

[peace9274]

News stations this AM are now reporting that there are no confirmed sightings of POS and that the public has been asked to help locate him.

Also, reports of a press conference at 10:00 AM EST

[Mygirlsadie]

They need to put new pictures of him out already! God I don't understand wth is going on here?! The head honcho cop needs to start acting/talking a little more professional. Some of his comments are drama filled and as a Police chief or whatever he is he should know better... I saw no reason for him to talk about the little hand and how it was positoned and how he will never forget that etc etc...

[Littledeer]

Unbelievable! He still has not been caught. But then again, I guess I'm not really surprised at this case has been botched from the get go!

Have to go to work today, so won't hear anything until I get home this evening! :(

Here is some interesting information I got from a poster who gave me permission to post it:

my cousin said that there was a case once where a mexican citizen came to U.S. and killed someone. Mexico didn't want to extradite because of the electric chair...they don't use that. They ended up extraditing him but she said not sure if he got the DP. It wouldn't apply for Laurean if he had a dual citizenship. U.S. would have as much right to him as Mexico.

If true, that would be good news for us as it would mean that Laurean can be extradited back to the US to stand trial. However, not sure if he can receive the DP for Mexico to approve the extradition.

Maybe that's something you guys can research today.

[the original tez]

FYI It is about 1530 miles from Jacksonville, NC to Laredo TX - one of several border towns in TX much closer than El Paso. That's about 25 hours driving at 60 MPH without stops except for gas. He left Jacksonville sometime Thurs night (it was before 4AM Fri morning if the wife is to be believed). If he was driving, even if he stopped and slept a few hours, he was in Mexico by sunrise Sunday morning. If he was on a bus, and IF he was in Shreveport Saturday at midnight he could easily have been in Mexico by bus by midnight Sunday - its only 578 miles from Shreveport to Laredo. I don't think he would have gone to El Paso when Laredo, McAllen and Eagle Pass are all closer to Shreveport.

IF POS was headed to Mexico, he would be there by now. And if he is driving his own vehicle all he had to do was head off into the Texas/Mexico border area on any one of hundreds of dirt roads and drive straight to the border and cross. Border patrol isn't looking for people sneaking INTO Mexico. They won't find his vehicle for days and it may even get stolen before LE can find it.

Otherwise he took a Greyhound bus and A - got off in Laredo or McAllen and walked or rode one of the little tourist trams into Mexico. Or B - took one of the 20 or 30 independent bus company's buses that transport Mexicans legally into and out of the US every day from Shreveport, or Dallas and rode in to Mexico with the other travelers returning from the US. He doesn't need a passport or an ID to get IN to Mexico...just to get back OUT. They barely look at you OR your ID when you enter Mexico from the US and I'll betcha POS has a Mexican birth certificate - if so, that is ALL HE NEEDS - IF he is asked for any ID at the border at all. He is a native Mexican Spanish speaker - he wouldn't get a second glance riding on one of the Mexican bus lines or walking across at the border on a weekend. He'd blend right in.

LE didn't issue the warrant until Sat AM - POS could easily have been in Mexico before any BOLO went out nationwide.

Well, since you (seem to) KNOW exactly how the Border Patrol operates, I guess there is no need in any of us speculating that he might still be in the US.

Personally, I think he is still in the US waiting for things to calm down before he tries to go into Mexico.

ETA: It is very easy to change license plates on a vehicle. All he would have had to do is find a truck that was the same make, model, year, and color and steal them. Whose to say he's still not in NC laying low somewhere? He could be anywhere. I have done a lot of thinking about this, and I think he is closer to NC than he is to Mexico. Probably waiting to see if his wife is in custody.

JMO, before I get banned.

[Camper]

News stations this AM are now reporting that there are no confirmed sightings of POS and that the public has been asked to help locate him.

Also, reports of a press conference at 10:00 AM EST


--->>>Wanted to bring over peace9274 post about press conf this morning the 14th of Jan.

Also thanks to Steadfast posts #2 & 7
Flowerchoild #24 & 31
Barbo0301 #11 & 29
All covering dual citizenship

WHAT DOES THE DUAL MEAN IF he is located IN Mexico about HOW WE GET HIM back to USA for ARREST AND TRIAL ETC.?

Additionally Dimples #33 and #35 about the CLOSE friend who LIVES next door, whose signature is on marriage certificate. Marine credo "Death B4 Dishonor. Hmmm.

Pharlap, I noted your suggestion on page two of this #5 thread, yeppers get DOG on this, he could redeem himself BIG TIME IF HE CAN FIND HIM!!!! Phar (hope you donut mind me giving you a nickname) Wonder HOW DOG would go about this???

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[the original tez]

--->>>Wanted to bring over peace9274 post about press conf this morning the 14th of Jan.

Also thanks to Steadfast posts #2 & 7
Flowerchoild #24 & 31
Barbo0301 #11 & 29
All covering dual citizenship

WHAT DOES THE DUAL MEAN IF he is located IN Mexico about HOW WE GET HIM back to USA for ARREST AND TRIAL ETC.?

Additionally Dimples #33 and #35 about the CLOSE friend who LIVES next door, whose signature is on marriage certificate. Marine credo "Death B4 Dishonor. Hmmm.

Pharlap, I noted your suggestion on page two of this #5 thread, yeppers get DOG on this, he could redeem himself BIG TIME IF HE CAN FIND HIM!!!! Phar (hope you donut mind me giving you a nickname) Wonder HOW DOG would go about this???

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Camper, I think Mexico would have to agree to extradite him, which they won't if he's facing the death penalty. I am not sure how the "dual citizenship" thing works.

I think Mexico is the LAST place Dog Chapman would want to go....I think he learned his lesson after Andrew Luster. But, I could be wrong....LOL

O/T: How are you feeling? You've been in my prayers!

[englishleigh]

Send dog after him.
He seems to find ppl that no one else does.....:eek:

I was thinking the same thing...Dog would get him for sure.

[Mygirlsadie]

O/T but is DOG still a bounty hunter? I thought I heard that was revoked or something? :waitasec:

[the original tez]

O/T but is DOG still a bounty hunter? I thought I heard that was revoked or something? :waitasec:

I'm not sure. I read his book and he was being investigated for some violations. Exactly what they were, I am not sure. His book wasn't that great.

But, he'd have his hands full going against a Marine who probably has weapons with his fire extinguisher! Of course, he could just send Beth after him and he'd be begging for mercy! LOL

[JinxieJada]

They sent back the POS in the Emily Sanderson case (Girl that went missing from Kansas in Decemberish, the POS's G/F stayed in Mexico if that helps)

They had to make some promises, but they got him back here....Could NC do something similiar? I would love to see him be sentenced to the DP but IF he could at least be brought back for LWOP it's better than him getting to continue on with some sort of normalcy if you kwim?


Link describing what happened when Israel was picked up -

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iL-Ac3d21ksUICW7OAQqUNRwQERAD8TKQERG0

Snip -

Satterfield said her office had to promise Mexican authorities that it would not seek the death penalty for Mireles. If convicted of capital murder, he would face life in prison without the possibility of parole, she said. The extradition is expected to take about 60 days, Satterfield said.






So couldn't this apply in Cesar the baby killer/woman rapist - situation?

[englishleigh]

Even if all the POS can get is LWOP, he won't last long in prison...baby killers, esp. those who kill their own, aren't very popular.....

[the original tez]

Even if all the POS can get is LWOP, he won't last long in prison...baby killers, esp. those who kill their own, aren't very popular.....

Color me uninformed, but wouldn't he go to a military prison or is this now a criminal matter and the military is out of it? Either way, I don't think he'd last too long....

[Mygirlsadie]

LMAO @ Beth.... gotta love em though! Really wish DOG would get rid of the mullet... :eek:




I'm not sure. I read his book and he was being investigated for some violations. Exactly what they were, I am not sure. His book wasn't that great.

But, he'd have his hands full going against a Marine who probably has weapons with his fire extinguisher! Of course, he could just send Beth after him and he'd be begging for mercy! LOL

[Ticamom]

Good morning everybody ! Wow, yesterday I had to partake in Sunday activities, and when I got back here, there were so may posts to catch up on. Just got finished reading them ! Great sleuthing, everyone ! :clap:

I am so disappointed that they haven't caught him yet. I just hope he's not in Mexico yet, otherwise it will be almost impossible to find him: he'll blend right in. I am praying for justice to be done for Maria and her baby.

[the original tez]

LMAO @ Beth.... gotta love em though! Really wish DOG would get rid of the mullet... :eek:

Trust me, if he seen Beth coming at him full-steam, he'd hit the ground and immediately surrender :eek: (this would be the look on his face when he seen Beth coming for him!)! Plus, he'd have to shake out his shorts after he got to jail! I love Beth, especially when she puts her make-up on before a bust! I have mixed feelings about Dog, but Beth ROCKS! And to think I never used to like her! Yeah, Dog needs a stylist.....:rolleyes:

[Ticamom]

They need to put new pictures of him out already! God I don't understand wth is going on here?! The head honcho cop needs to start acting/talking a little more professional. Some of his comments are drama filled and as a Police chief or whatever he is he should know better... I saw no reason for him to talk about the little hand and how it was positoned and how he will never forget that etc etc...

My thoughts exactly, Mygirlsadie ! :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can't believe after the whole weekend passed the cops haven't been able to acquire another photo of him . If his wife is cooperating with LE, the least they should have is a couple of photos of him in civilian clothes. Even one with some facial hair, perhaps ?

Sheriff B. irritates me to no end with his so unprofessional comments. I have never heard any member of LE speak as he does. It is so drama filled, he should watch LAw and Order to learn how it is done ! :furious: GRRRRR......

May I dare to expect today's presser to be any better ???:confused:

[Ticamom]

I have found this petition on the facebook memorial page for Maria. If it has been posted before , I am sorry. I hope enough people sign this petition to make a difference. Maria and her baby deserve justice to be served.
:blowkiss:



Sign this petition to help change the law. If it beats, its alive. Maria's baby was almost full term.

At this point, North Carolina is one of the 15 states who do not have a law that will charge someone twice in the case of a victim being pregnant.

Not only does Maria deserve justice, so does her unborn child.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/351057706

[Pharlap]

O/T but is DOG still a bounty hunter? I thought I heard that was revoked or something? :waitasec:


Not sure, have to do some googling....

[Pharlap]

News conference in an hour...10 ET
Just on CNN....

[ceeaura]

Steadfast:That command seems lax in the extreme, considering all we're hearing. I know soldiers can sometimes leave early and that at some commands chits are not that hard to get approved. But I've never heard of someone being able to not show up without huge consequences, whether they "called in" or not.

I think

I have just finished reading thread 4 (haven't started this one yet)Just wanted to respond to you steadfast.
My husband has been in the Navy 19 years.Depending on what the ship or shore duty station is doing ,a day off can be requested the day before without a chit .A really good reason has to be given.Not just because I want a day off.

My husband was on shore duty (until recently,he was pulled from his duty station and sent to Iraq)

There has been a couple of times in the past 6 months when he was home,that he called into work telling them he would be late because I needed to goto the ER.If its something we know in advance then he will request that day in advance without putting in a chit.

It just depends.Also depends alot to on the service members record.I think with Cpl POS investigation,they let him have that day off due to that.

That tells you right there he had his commanders snowed in believing he was something he was not .

[SeriouslySearching]

Hudson (the DA) is on. Not saying much we don't know already. Border Patrol is on alert. Remains have not been medically identified, but put out the warrant because they were concerned he would flee to Mexico.

[ceeaura]

This post deserves :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: My thoughts and feelings as well FlowerChild!



This whole thing has been mishandled by everyone - but PRIMARILY the MILITARY - who did not protect Maria, did not investigate the POS and did not STOP POS from running. The military had him RIGHT THERE and couldn't keep POS from assaulting Maria, they couldn't keep POS from harassing a pregnant Maria for months, they couldn't charge POS with ANYTHING or even investigate POS for MONTHS after Maria pressed rape charges against POS and even when PRESSED by local LE could not get POS in to be questioned in Maria's disappearance. They LET him run without a single charge being brought against him. What in this fiasco makes anyone have confidence that they can apprehend him? Heck, the couldn't do anything when HE WAS RIGHT THERE FOR MONTHS!!!

And what is local LE to do? Even the FBI seems at a loss - all because the "officers" on base sat around for MONTHS doing NOTHING while POS was allowed to harass and continue to make Maria's life a living hell while pregnant with a child of HIS rape - and when they finally DID do something, they failed to PROTECT Maria from him and at the same time, emboldened POS to take the problem into his own hands and END HER LIFE (and his baby's life) without even so much as a VISIT to his house when she went missing. It's shameful and sad that this was allowed to happen under the NOSES of our military. There is something very, very wrong - the ball wasn't just dropped, it was buried 10 feet under the field by the WHOLE TEAM!

My Opinion

[less0305]

My thoughts exactly, Mygirlsadie ! :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can't believe after the whole weekend passed the cops haven't been able to acquire another photo of him . If his wife is cooperating with LE, the least they should have is a couple of photos of him in civilian clothes. Even one with some facial hair, perhaps ?

Sheriff B. irritates me to no end with his so unprofessional comments. I have never heard any member of LE speak as he does. It is so drama filled, he should watch LAw and Order to learn how it is done ! :furious: GRRRRR......

May I dare to expect today's presser to be any better ???:confused:

I have laughed and laughed at people's reaction to the Sheriff. I hate to say this, but there's a whole heck of a lot more sheriff's around this state that are soooo much worse than him. The sheriff is an elected official in north carolina. So trust me when i say, the sheriff doesn't have to have much experience to be elected. He just has to know a lot of people and have the political party behind him. Some people here vote democrat no matter what. They'll vote in anybody or anything that is running under the democrat party. Vice versa for the Republicans.

My dad ran as a write-in candidate for sheriff and has not one single day of experience in law enforcement....and lost only by a very very very slim margin. He's a democrat and he knows lots of people.

[SeriouslySearching]

Dog can't go after this POS because he has not yet been arrested. A bounty hunter is only allowed to go after a person after an arrest if they skip out on their bail. They work for the bonds company to essentially get back the perp due to money spent to bail them out of jail. They are then considered fair game, but not until. At least, this is my understanding.

I don't know if Dog Chapman can set foot back in Mexico to chase another one.

[rccook555]

[quote=dimples37398;1909665]Has anyone checked into the witness whom signed the POS's marriage certificate. They live NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER>>>>>>>>>>>>


I was working on this a bit last night. I didnt see anything really worth posting and ended up going to bed. I consulted withsomeone else and we decided he is deployed out of the country right now. But that might not be the case. Back on it this morning to see what i can dig up.

[ceeaura]

Just reading on facebook...and came across a post in the discussion forum

Snip:

We also talked about our fathers, she had told me that her father was a Master Sergeant and my father is a Master Gunnery Sgt, so we laughed and joked around about that together.

If Marias father was a Master Sergent....makes it even sadder the way they handled her case and I bet Daddy will make sure there is H*** to pay.

[s_finch]

What a field day a defense attorney will have with the Sheriff's statements made on "Today" this morning. This sheriff will be accused of
bias, contaminating the jury pool, prejudice, unprofessional behaviour, etc.... Here are two quotes from the Sheriff this morning that went out on national t.v. :bang:

"You’ve committed a terrible crime, and law enforcement in this country is not going to go away until you’ve faced a jury and the courts for what you’ve done.”

Brown said that he’s convinced the charred remains of a female and fetus recovered from a fire pit in Laurean’s back yard are those of Lauterbach and her unborn baby.

“The evidence is circumstantial that this is a female with a fetus in the grave, but it’s clear enough for me,” Brown said, adding that DNA and dental evidence would confirm the identity of the remains.

So this sheriff has stated on national tv that he doesn't truly believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and doesn't need solid evidence. :bang: I guess he's getting his 15 minutes of fame and trying to play tough now that everything has gone to hell in a handbasket........but geez, he's only showing his ignorance, lack of training, lack of understanding of the law and making lots of fodder for brief filings for the future defense attorney.
UNBELIEVEABLE

[rccook555]

You just have to make sure you have the quote marks around both ends of what you want to quote. You can go back and fix it then delete the other one if you click Go Advanced and click delete button in 3 areas. : ) (If you look above when you are typing, click the icon of the word bubble right above (on the very right) and insert the text in between them.)

Thank you SS!! :blowkiss:

[Indy Gal]

Please those with a tv nearby keep us updated with anything new from presser. Much Thanks!

If I am not here much today, blame my BF! he said to me can you please clean the house today and get off this puter...LOL

[SeriouslySearching]

My guess is they have already have enough evidence to determine it was Maria killed in his house without a doubt. The formality of the bodies being identified by the ME probably won't make a big difference, imo. Dental records could have already been identified and not released.

[Indy Gal]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/14/missing.marine/index.html

Evidence shows Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach was killed on December 15, four days before she was reported missing to local law enforcement authorities, the Onslow County sheriff said Monday.
snip
However, Chief Deputy Charlie Caldwell of the Shreveport Marshal's Office told CNN affiliate KSLA-TV that he knew of no evidence that Laurean was in Louisiana.
"We haven't had any confirmed sightings of [that] individual," he said
snip

Laurean, of Nevada, is believed to have left the base at 4 a.m. Friday.
Investigators said that Laurean vanished four hours before his wife, Christina, approached Brown with a note from her husband claiming that Lauterbach had committed suicide, and he buried the body.

[SeriouslySearching]

RCC~ Good job and good thinking!! Dig into that neighbor that was so close they stood up with them at their wedding! Someone helped this fella on more than one occassion to drop off her car and get away with it as long as he did.

[Indy Gal]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jLAxQfkotgyOSgs3LXmXYW6hy6PgD8U5MGPO0

Investigators searching for the key suspect in the death of a 20-year-old pregnant fellow Marine said Monday they have spoken with his family but still haven't found him.

[SeriouslySearching]

Please those with a tv nearby keep us updated with anything new from presser. Much Thanks!

If I am not here much today, blame my BF! he said to me can you please clean the house today and get off this puter...LOLTell him you are on a limited time basis here. After the bean is born, your computer time is over and his house won't be clean again for 18 years basically...so he might as well get used to it now. LOL

[Indy Gal]

Tell him you are on a limited time basis here. After the bean is born, your computer time is over and his house won't be clean again for 18 years basically...so he might as well get used to it now. LOL
Funny you say that SS, He just bought us a new puter so when the bean comes I can be in the living room instead of the office, where there is no heat or air. Maybe he really does love me after all...LOLOLOLOLOL

[SuziQ]

Live links to presser here:

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news/live_video.html

http://www.wral.com/

[Indy Gal]

Live links to presser here:

http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news/live_video.html

http://www.wral.com/
I have sound on puter but it has a loud buzzing sound, anyone know why and how I can fix it? Thanks SUZ!:blowkiss:

ETA I think I have a short in my wire, do believe it is fixed..LOL I guess only time will tell

[SuziQ]

I have sound on puter but it has a loud buzzing sound, anyone know why and how I can fix it? Thanks SUZ!:blowkiss:

You are welcome. No buzzing on NBC17. Just chatting in the background.

You made me laugh about cleaning the house. And the new computer is awesome.

[fran]

When I was posting yesterday afternoon, I thought for sure they would have this guy in custody by last night. I can't believe they haven't found him yet.:behindbar

Now we're hearing different accounts of the 'alleged' sightings of the suspect, I'm wondering what the 'real deal' is?

So, these people see the guy in LA and don't report it until they get to TX? The wife finds a letter from the suspect/husband but doesn't turn it in until 4 hours after the guy is gone? Now we're hearing he may have not even been at work on Thursday as well? They didn't take his passport, they allowed him to roam free while having criminal charges investigated about him and he's 'allowed' to harrass and threaten his alleged victim (with help from fellow marines?).

How many people are helping this guy?

Could these alleged sightings and tickets etc, pointing to Texas, been a scheme with 'help,' for the suspect to get away? Was he seen on base on Thursday? Just exactly what day and time did he leave the base?

They better question his wife more! We've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but this guy is NOT that smart to avoid detection from the numerous LE agencies working on his case, UNLESS he is getting assitance in his escape.

IF he left on a bus, his truck would have already been found and LE would be saying they have it.

They better make it clear with his friends and family that if they help him, they're toast! and will be calling the local prison their home!

I soooo hope he doesn't or hasn't found his way to Mexico. IF he does, the U.S. will have no choice but to take the DP OFF the table in order for Mexico to extradite. I've seen it in multiple cases here in California, where the suspect killed up to five people in one family, or even a Highway Patrol Officer, and it took YEARS to get them back here for trial.

:behindbar I am so ANGRY!!!!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

He kills an 8 1/2 month pregnant young woman, a defenseless BABY BOY and runs like the coward that he is!:behindbar

Ok, I'm done and didn't say anything.:(
fran

[Taximom]

s finch, I've felt that about Brown since he started opening his mouth. Some of the things he said publically were unbelievably unprofessional. I have a little more respect for the NCIS guy that held back when pressed by the media.

It's very obvious that Brown doesn't need a lot of evidence to suspect something as he totally believed Maria was a lying, bipolar runaway in the beginning until Christina came forward with this note.

What other cases are there in his county where he's made rash decisions like this? :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

I wish they would hurry up with this presser. I don't expect any real news from it, but we shall see.

A HUGE mistake on part of LE was not to release his whereabouts from the minute a sighting came in. John Q. Public was their only hope of catching this guy and they blew it. To put people on ALERT in the area is the point and they did not do this. Instead, they took this absurd attitude of playing it close to the vest and now he could be anywhere. Bad, bad plan!!

[Indy Gal]

Suz you gonna post the presser or should I?

[Pharlap]

This sheriff's department(hate to say) is like Britney, always late...:eek:

[Indy Gal]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: This sheriff's department(hate to say) is like Britney, always late...:eek:

[SuziQ]

Suz you gonna post the presser or should I?

You better do it Indy, I'm not fully awake yet...:blushing:

[Indy Gal]

You better do it Indy, I'm not fully awake yet...:blushing:
me either, this should be good...LOL

Okay I will do it but just to warn you guys spelling and writing will be fast. I am not a fast typer so it will be quick and to the point. LOL

[SuziQ]

This sheriff's department(hate to say) is like Britney, always late...:eek:

Will she or will she not show up for court today?

[SuziQ]

me either, this should be good...LOL

And i'm holding a cold chihuahua...one handed typing here.

[SeriouslySearching]

I have to eat. LOL So you guys are on your own for the presser. Going for fried egg sandwiches this morning instead of grilled cheese.

[Indy Gal]

I have to eat. LOL So you guys are on your own for the presser. Going for fried egg sandwiches this morning instead of grilled cheese.
Make me one please...LOL:blowkiss:

ETA With my posting counts lately I just may hit 6000 today W00T! LOL

[SuziQ]

I have to eat. LOL So you guys are on your own for the presser. Going for fried egg sandwiches this morning instead of grilled cheese.


Omg, i haven't had one of those in years. yummy!

[Camper]

Sorry repeating my first post on page 3 cuz I have not read page 4 and 5 yet. BUT BUT

I am wondering WHO ordered Maria's room mate to be GONE during this critical time? Wonder when the orders for the room mate were DONE and how soon after HE was sent away?????????

IS this part of a coverup for Cpl POS?

I am also wondering IF IF Cpl POS has a friend from basic training OR OR any kind of CLOSE friend, who might be in the Shreveport LA area?


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--->>>Wanted to bring over peace9274 post about press conf this morning the 14th of Jan.

Also thanks to Steadfast posts #2 & 7
Flowerchoild #24 & 31
Barbo0301 #11 & 29
All covering dual citizenship LOTS OF INFO on passports etc etc. a MUST read.

WHAT DOES THE DUAL MEAN IF he is located IN Mexico about HOW WE GET HIM back to USA for ARREST AND TRIAL ETC.?

Additionally Dimples #33 and #35 about the CLOSE friend who LIVES next door, whose signature is on marriage certificate. Marine credo "Death B4 Dishonor. Hmmm.

Pharlap, I noted your suggestion on page two of this #5 thread, yeppers get DOG on this, he could redeem himself BIG TIME IF HE CAN FIND HIM!!!! Phar (hope you donut mind me giving you a nickname) Wonder HOW DOG would go about this???

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[Indy Gal]

Man Mr. Brown you want the medias help BUT you keep them waiting so long, HOW RUDE!

[nanandjim]

...They helped create this monster.
I disagree. The Marine Corps did not help create this monster. This guy was already like this. I don't know what caused him to be a rapist and a murderer; however, this psychotic behavior/tendency was there long before he joined the USMC.

[Indy Gal]

Camper, BLOWKISSES, I have not heard of why but did hear that he was in Cali for training. I assumed it was already planned. Sorry I know, no help.

[SuziQ]

http://www.cnn.com/

CNN reporting now. No presser yet? Brown said he hopes to have more info on Christina's involvement by presser time.

[Indy Gal]

I disagree. The Marine Corps did not help create this monster. This guy was already like this. I don't know what caused him to be a rapist and a murderer; however, this psychotic behavior/tendency was there long before he joined the USMC.
Nan:blowkiss: While they might not have helped create him, they sure help him get away, IMOO

[Indy Gal]

http://www.cnn.com/

CNN reporting now. No presser yet? Brown said he hopes to have more info on Christina's involvement by presser time.
Thanks SUZ! So we might just be right about this woman after all. I was starting to feel bad for thinking she couldve been in on this

[nanandjim]

Send dog after him.
He seems to find ppl that no one else does.....:eek:
You know, this is the truth. Wouldn't it be great if they asked him to help?

[Indy Gal]

Dang it ppl stop going in and out, you are faking me out!

ETA it is now 33 minutes late, can we get this show on the road!

[Pharlap]

Now it's on

Well someone came out , now there gone......

[SeriouslySearching]

I disagree. The Marine Corps did not help create this monster. This guy was already like this. I don't know what caused him to be a rapist and a murderer; however, this psychotic behavior/tendency was there long before he joined the USMC.That is why I said they "helped" create this monster. USMC did teach him how to be an effective killing machine. They failed to recognize those tendencies while creating this machine.

I have known a few men who simply were not the same people after going into the service. They became overly aggressive and abusive with the Marine ego instilled in them. A dangerous combination when they came back into the civilian population, imo.

[nanandjim]

Nan:blowkiss: While they might not have helped create him, they sure help him get away, IMOO
Hey Indy. :) I don't agree with that, either. Rapes are oftentimes a he said/she said. Did Maria go to the hospital or police that night? Did they have his DNA from the rape? I don't think that is the case. HER OWN MOTHER has said that she is a compulsive liar and bipolar.

I personally cannot fault the USMC for anything at this point. I don't think that civilian police would have done much either. It was going to be a hard case to prove as it was. Do you not think that the defense would be exploiting her lies and previous stories of exaggeration?

I believe that I heard on the news that the civilians have jurisdiction over this case of murder. So, they are probably the ones looking for this guy.

My speculation is that this guy did not commit suicide. I believe that he may be getting help. If he turns to relatives (even in Mexico), I believe that he will be caught. You can bet that the police know who his relatives are. You can also bet that his wife is singing like a canary to keep from being charged with anything. After all, didn't she live in that house??

[Ticamom]

I'm losing patience with this sheriff ! Can you tell ? LOL

Why say they'll have presser at 10 and then leave ppl waiting sooo long???

[rccook555]

Bumping
POS Myspace Page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=280188354

TimeLine
http://www.charlotte.com/204/story/443403.html

Wanted Poster
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/alert/laurean_ca.htm

[SeriouslySearching]

Dog can't go after this POS because he has not yet been arrested. A bounty hunter is only allowed to go after a person after an arrest if they skip out on their bail. They work for the bonds company to essentially get back the perp due to money spent to bail them out of jail. They are then considered fair game, but not until. At least, this is my understanding.

I don't know if Dog Chapman can set foot back in Mexico to chase another one.Guess you missed this!

[Indy Gal]

nan, the marines didnt even turn over to brown until last week. IMO, they should have done it as soon as she went missing. I mean all they had to do was go to his house and see the disturbed ground. IMO they tried to save their azzes cuz they knew the screwed up. This would have been over sooner had they just flew over his house and saw the ground

[SuziQ]

Bumping
POS Myspace Page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=280188354

TimeLine
http://www.charlotte.com/204/story/443403.html

Thank you!

[nanandjim]

That is why I said they "helped" create this monster. USMC did teach him how to be an effective killing machine. They failed to recognize those tendencies while creating this machine.

I have known a few men who simply were not the same people after going into the service. They became overly aggressive and abusive with the Marine ego instilled in them. A dangerous combination when they come back into the civilian population, imo.
I spent many years around the military and USMC, in particular. Individuals who enter any branch of service are combat trained. That's what the military is all about. IMO, you are really looking for "someone" or "something" to blame.

If we, as a society, could 100 percent determine who the potential psychopaths are/were, we could just smut them out before they raped, killed, etc. I think that's an unrealistic expectation.

[Indy Gal]

Nan after the presser I will write a better post about why I think they screwed up, sorry I am scared I will miss something...LOL

[Vegas Bride]

As much attention as this has gotten I am surprised he hasn't been found yet, unless he's holed up somewhere and not traveling. The report of him being spotted could be completely false, either someone looking for their 15 minutes or mistaken. If he had been on a bus then there would have been many other people who also could have seen him.

So many things get me about this case, if he had wanted to avoid the rape investigation, then why not run away without killing her? There would have been no huge manhunt then and would have gotten very little coverage.
If and I do not believe this for a moment, she had killed herself, then the baby could have still been saved, he would then be guilty of letting the baby die also right?
I am very suspicous of the wife, I would hope she was not involved but we all know some women will do just about anything for their man.
I just want him to be caught before he can get to another country and I want the truth to be found out about just what did happen, this poor young woman and her baby need and deserve justice!! And the military needs to do some major housecleaning to see that our women who join are safe.

VB

[Indy Gal]

In chat WS going down now

[JDB]

I spent many years around the military and USMC, in particular. Individuals who enter any branch of service are combat trained. That's what the military is all about. IMO, you are really looking for "someone" or "something" to blame.

If we, as a society, could 100 percent determine who the potential psychopaths are/were, we could just smut them out before they raped, killed, etc. I think that's an unrealistic expectation.

Nan I agree with you. We can not Blame the USMC for thisIt would be like blame the LE for what Cutts did.The someone to blame is The POS himself. he choosed to go this route with no one help.

[Ticamom]

We're in chat if anybody wants to join us in case WS goes

[SuziQ]

Sheesh, I guess when the presser finally starts, it will be 10AM somewhere.

[nanandjim]

Sheesh, I guess when the presser finally starts, it will be 10AM somewhere.
I'm wondering if Lauren did kill himself and they are waiting for an official identification or are waiting to get the greenlight to tell this (or something else) to the public. Heavy speculation here. :waitasec:

[Indy Gal]

If you need the link pm quick b4 it goes down again guys

[Ticamom]

:crazy: LOL :bang: Sheesh, I guess when the presser finally starts, it will be 10AM somewhere.

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, I have a distorted view of the military then, but it sure seems like in this particular case...there were warning signs when you have someone who is accused of rape that they failed to pay attention to.

[Indy Gal]

I'm wondering if Lauren did kill himself and they are waiting for an official identification or are waiting to get the greenlight to tell this (or something else) to the public. Heavy speculation here. :waitasec:
I agree NAN!!

[AdoraBlue]

http://www.ksla.com/global/story.asp?s=7617837
Shreveport Marshals say the driver of a Greyhound Bus called police late Saturday night saying a man who looked like Cesar Armando was on his bus which was headed to Shreveport. Police searched the bus and the area around it but did not find Armando. The driver could not say which direction Armando may have gone in.

Someone working at the Greyhound Station who did not want to be identified says the bus driver was sure it was Armando. The unidentified worker also says that the ticket was bought in another name and that bus had come from Dallas.

Chief Charlie Caldwell says if he is in this area, "He will be apprehended".




http://www.ktbs.com/news/Suspect-in-slain-Marine-case-spotted-in-Shreveport-7825/
Authorities say three to four witnesses confirmed seeing Corporal Cesar Armando Laurean on a Greyhound bus that arrived in Shreveport around ten o'clock Saturday night. According to witnesses, Laurean was wearing a grey hoodie sweatshirt.

Shreveport police and officers with the U. S. Marshal's Service went to the bus station, but Laurean was not there. Authorities believe Laurean was headed to Texas. At least one bus enroute to Dallas was stopped, but he was not on board.

[Pharlap]

We're in chat if anybody wants to join us in case WS goes


Doesn't work for me, I use firefox....pout:bang:

And maybe the wait is a good thing.
Better be:blushing:

[JDB]

There must be soemthing happening behind the scenes. Either he killed himself or they have finally located him.

[Camper]

FOX just saying that typically the press conf is rather timely.

Given that there has been such a long delay it most likely indicates there is a NEW development of some sort.

Passing out timelines from Sheriff now, on sightings etc.

/

[Ticamom]

Finally Starting !!!!!!

[close_enough]

a reward is out for him - $25,000

[Pharlap]

They got nothing as of yet.
Just going over what has been done so far.....:waitasec:

[nanandjim]

They got nothing as of yet.
Just going over what has been done so far.....:waitasec:
Geez...If the purpose of the entire, delayed news conference is to distribute this timeline, I now agree with those who think that this sheriff is an idiot! :confused:

[Pharlap]

Geez...If the purpose of the entire, delayed news conference is to distribute this timeline, I now agree with those who think that this sheriff is an idiot! :confused:


This is NUTS....
There was NO reason for the delay when they have NOTHING new.
:mad:

[SeriouslySearching]

They found her ATM card at a bus stop in Raleigh-Durham, NC last weekend.

He said the wife was a KEY witness and not a suspect. The daughter is 18 months old and is with family members so is safe.

[nanandjim]

Where is Maria's Dad? I can't believe that he would allow Maria's stepmother to say such awful things about her in a public venue, especially when she was missing. For some reason, I think that this woman had an axe to grind with Maria. Perhaps, when she was little, she told her Dad that her stepmom was being mean to her. She called Maria a liar. I myself do not think that Maria is a compulsive liar. Unfortunately, it took her murder to prove that she didn't lie about at least one thing. :(

[dimples37398]

[quote=dimples37398;1909665]Has anyone checked into the witness whom signed the POS's marriage certificate. They live NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER>>>>>>>>>>>>ghrhrszzxxxx


I was working on this a bit last night. I didnt see anything really worth posting and ended up going to bed. I consulted withsomeone else an:chicken: d we decided he is deployed out of the country right now. But that might not be the case. Back on it this morning to see what i can dig up.


According to his myspace page, he got back from ship before September 2007. He might not have anything to do with this at all, but I thought I had heard that he borrowed a shovel from his next door neighbor, which this guy whom signed as a witness to his marriage is a next door neighbor, and I wonder if the fence was missing a piece that is next to his house or the other side(other neighbor) can anyone tell where the fence was missing a piece?

Kel

[lkd-ga]

I am confused about the mother /step mother issue. Over the weekend I saw
a news program that stated there was not an step-mother and that Maria was not adopted. Do we know for sure there is a step mother?

[paddy01]

Wow, so Christina is free to go anywhere she likes, well I hope to Hxxl she go's to where he's at! Also I think that $25,000.00 reward is nothing, they need to up it.. So the their child is with family member, good.

[ember]

It's hard to believe this POS in just 21 yo. I keep thinking he's older. So he's got youth and training on his side. He could be anywhere.

I wonder how old the wife is? Anyone know?

When were they married? Just curious...

[ember]

They found her ATM card at a bus stop in Raleigh-Durham, NC last weekend.

He said the wife was a KEY witness and not a suspect. The daughter is 18 months old and is with family members so is safe.


I wonder how she could be a KEY witness when she suppossedly doesn't know anything......

[Pharlap]

I wonder how she could be a KEY witness when she suppossedly doesn't know anything......


Bet there's more then meets the eye here, so to speak......:rolleyes:
My complaint is, why didn't they just come out on time to the conference.
They have zip.....

[rccook555]

[quote=rccook555;1909897]


According to his myspace page, he got back from ship before September 2007. He might not have anything to do with this at all, but I thought I had heard that he borrowed a shovel from his next door neighbor, which this guy whom signed as a witness to his marriage is a next door neighbor, and I wonder if the fence was missing a piece that is next to his house or the other side(other neighbor) can anyone tell where the fence was missing a piece?

Kel

You can tell from the CNN video where the fence is missing at. They have a 2 minute clip towards the end that shows his house and they zoom it out. You can see the burn spot in his back yard before they put tents up. That clip shows the fence missing. Not sure what direction it would be but i am thinking it looks like it would be after his address, meaning (example) if his was 222 Fake Street then this house would be 224 Fake Street.

[rccook555]

It's hard to believe this POS in just 21 yo. I keep thinking he's older. So he's got youth and training on his side. He could be anywhere.

I wonder how old the wife is? Anyone know?

When were they married? Just curious...

Her DOB is /7/21/83 and marriage date is 8/13/2005

[Ticamom]

Her DOB is /7/21/83 and marriage date is 8/13/2005

Good job, cook !!!! Now you're cooking ! LOL :blowkiss:

[SuziQ]

Thanks for the info RCC.

[rccook555]

Good job, cook !!!! Now you're cooking ! LOL :blowkiss:

:dance: :dance:

[curiositycat]

Wow, so Christina is free to go anywhere she likes, well I hope to Hxxl she go's to where he's at! Also I think that $25,000.00 reward is nothing, they need to up it.. So the their child is with family member, good.

I was thinking badly about this woman too, until I analyzed and came to the conclusion if he is abusive to one woman he is probably abusing all the women in his life. Rape is an act of anger towards women. By what the sheriff says the crime scene was horrific.

We have a really angry young man on our hands here. Lets hope that he is found before he kills someone else.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Christina will use the excuse that she was too afraid of him to stop him. On the other hand "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned":waitasec:

[nanandjim]

I am confused about the mother /step mother issue. Over the weekend I saw
a news program that stated there was not an step-mother and that Maria was not adopted. Do we know for sure there is a step mother?
I heard that the stepmother adopted Maria. So, I assumed that the stepmother married the Dad. Then, she legally adopted Maria. Perhaps, Maria's mother abandoned the family and/or didn't care.

[ember]

Her DOB is /7/21/83 and marriage date is 8/13/2005


Thank you!

So she is older than him.
Wife is 24
He is 21 (just turned 21 in August, right?)
they've been married for 2 1/2 years

OK, just wanted those details. Thanks again!

[nanandjim]

...We have a really angry young man on our hands here. Lets hope that he is found before he kills someone else...
I'm wondering how Maria was lured to the home. I'm also still wondering about her car being left at the bus station. Didn't an employee at the bus station say that Maria asked if she could leave her car parked there and also stated that it was Maria who parked the car. If so, my question also is: Was Christina "pretending" to be Maria? Could she have bought the ticket in Maria's name? Could she have been the one to park the car at the station?

[SeriouslySearching]

If he was last seen in Raleigh-Durham last Friday where they found her ATM card, but they didn't find his truck...if he did get on a bus...who came to get the truck and why have they had no sightings of it? Maria was with LE on Friday all day, I would suspect. One of his marine buddies perhaps? Or the neighbor from his wedding (Why does this make me think of Steve C. from Stacy's case?)?

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm wondering how Maria was lured to the home. I'm also still wondering about her car being left at the bus station. Didn't an employee at the bus station say that Maria asked if she could leave her car parked there and also stated at it was Maria who parked the car. If so, my question also is: Was Christina "pretending" to be Maria? Could she have bought the ticket in Maria's name? Could she have been the one to park the car at the station?I have been asking that same question. Who helped him park the car if he had been seen using it for a few days according to one neighbor? If LE says she is only a key witness, I would think they have proof it wasn't her.

As far as the lure, it was stated she had dropped the rape allegations the week before she went missing. Could she have met with him for that reason? Did he want an assurance that in fact she did drop the case and wanted to see the paperwork or something? Perhaps she wanted to meet to give him a notarized affidavit that she would no longer come after him for that or for the child support. Just throwing some thoughts out there.

[rccook555]

Thank you!

So she is older than him.
Wife is 24
He is 21 (just turned 21 in August, right?)
they've been married for 2 1/2 years

OK, just wanted those details. Thanks again!

Your welcome :)
Marriage licence shows his DOB as 11/13/86 Mexico

[paddy01]

I was thinking badly about this woman too, until I analyzed and came to the conclusion if he is abusive to one woman he is probably abusing all the women in his life. Rape is an act of anger towards women. By what the sheriff says the crime scene was horrific.

We have a really angry young man on our hands here. Lets hope that he is found before he kills someone else.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Christina will use the excuse that she was too afraid of him to stop him. On the other hand "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned":waitasec:

Hi curiositycat, I was just surprised that someone so important to this case is allowed to come & go as she pleases, but then again LE might be thinking she'll lead us to him. I would like to think LE is keeping a close eye on her. Also, I'm thinking like you about her using the excuse "she was abused too and that's why she did not come forward sooner". I truly believe she knows more than what she's telling.

[rccook555]

Just a thought. We where trying to decide if the wife was there or knew about this. Isnt she a Marine also? Could she have been deployed during this time and just got back?

[JinxieJada]

It's hard to believe this POS in just 21 yo. I keep thinking he's older. So he's got youth and training on his side. He could be anywhere.

I wonder how old the wife is? Anyone know?

When were they married? Just curious...


IIRC they were married 2 years ago...

[SeriouslySearching]

RRCook already found all that infomation. : ) Thanks, RRC!

[SeriouslySearching]

Her DOB is /7/21/83 and marriage date is 8/13/2005:blowkiss:

[Camper]

Just thinking here. IF IF the rape charge was filed in April with the military. IF IF the due date was Feb 15.

Some physical activity had to have transpired AFTER the rape charge was filed.

IF IF rape happened on April 1, which we don't know for certain when the rape happened that caused the filing of rape charges.

IF IF rape happened on April 1, then due date should have been around December 1.

DID he repeatedly attack her AFTER the initial rape charge or WHAT?

Incredible murderous rage here. The sheriff or whatever his LE title is makes me nutz.

.

[nanandjim]

I have been asking that same question. Who helped him park the car if he had been seen using it for a few days according to one neighbor? If LE says she is only a key witness, I would think they have proof it wasn't her.

As far as the lure, it was stated she had dropped the rape allegations the week before she went missing. Could she have met with him for that reason? Did he want an assurance that in fact she did drop the case and wanted to see the paperwork or something? Perhaps she wanted to meet to give him a notarized affidavit that she would no longer come after him for that or for the child support. Just throwing some thoughts out there.
Geez. I must be missing some articles. I didn't realize that a neighbor saw him driving her car. I also did not realize that she had dropped the case. I thought that I saw the military prosecutor on television saying that they thought that they had enough evidence to argue for a trial.

Could it be possible that she requested that the case be dropped but the MC kept pursuing it anyway. Maybe, he brought her to the house to talk about that, thinking that she was setting him up. She could have gone to the house to assure him that she would not be testifying. Things may have gotten heated, especially if he thought that he was being lied to and it was all a part of a master scheme to entrap him. He apparently beat her very viciously. So, this could be the reason why. :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Just a thought. We where trying to decide if the wife was there or knew about this. Isnt she a Marine also? Could she have been deployed during this time and just got back?Now that is a thought! Has anyone been able to clarify if she is in the military?

[rccook555]

RRCook already found all that infomation. : ) Thanks, RRC!

YW! :blushing:

[Camper]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rccook555 http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1910178#post1910178)
Her DOB is /7/21/83 and marriage date is 8/13/2005




--->>>That would make him 17 when they married. When did he join the marines?

,

[SeriouslySearching]

Just thinking here. IF IF the rape charge was filed in April with the military. IF IF the due date was Feb 15.

Some physical activity had to have transpired AFTER the rape charge was filed.

IF IF rape happened on April 1, which we don't know for certain when the rape happened that caused the filing of rape charges.

IF IF rape happened on April 1, then due date should have been around December 1.

DID he repeatedly attack her AFTER the initial rape charge or WHAT?

Incredible murderous rage here. The sheriff or whatever his LE title is makes me nutz.

.OK After contemplating this for a few...it isn't a huge discrepancy since we don't know for a fact when the alleged rape actually took place and when the case began. We can't count on the military to be forthcoming, or LE..so the media is depending on speculation then? It could be off 15-30 days even.

[FlowerChild]

Just thinking here. IF IF the rape charge was filed in April with the military. IF IF the due date was Feb 15.

Some physical activity had to have transpired AFTER the rape charge was filed.

IF IF rape happened on April 1, which we don't know for certain when the rape happened that caused the filing of rape charges.

IF IF rape happened on April 1, then due date should have been around December 1.

DID he repeatedly attack her AFTER the initial rape charge or WHAT?

Incredible murderous rage here. The sheriff or whatever his LE title is makes me nutz..

I thought she was testifying in a different matter (about an "incident" at the base) - which was what was under investigation in April and THEN she was raped by POS. If I am following correctly there were TWO separate matters here - BOTH somehow involving POS and Maria. If she was due Feb 15th the rape happened shortly after the April investigation/testimony - in mid May. Sounds as if perhaps Maria was assaulted/raped AFTER perhaps giving information/testimony against POS and others - it may have been RETALIATION and the POS forgot his condom.

My Opinion

[norcalsleuth]

Quote:
Originally Posted by rccook555 http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1910178#post1910178)
Her DOB is /7/21/83 and marriage date is 8/13/2005


--->>>That would make him 17 when they married. When did he join the marines?

,

He was born on November 13, 1986 and enlisted on September 13, 2004. He was 18 when he got married (almost 19).

[Pharlap]

Also the due date could of been incorrect, does happen...Doctor's error...and/or she gave the wrong last period date.
She could of been 9 months along and a late delievery.
1st ones they say are usually late, mine was right on the due date...

I'm just thinking out loud....

[SeriouslySearching]

No, the "incident" was the rape.

[shdbepaintin]

If the rape was reported in April and If her due date is Feb. 15
could he NOT be the father, and that in itself would invoke quite
a bit of rage, if He feels she is ruining his life with the rape charges
ect. and then he finds out it couldn't be his baby. Maybe that is
what she came to his house to tell him, that she was dropping the
charges and he wasn't the father and then all crap hit the fan.
Just throwing out ideas.

[norcalsleuth]

Also the due date could of been incorrect, does happen...
She could of been 9 months along and a late delievery.
1st ones they say are usually late, mine was right on the due date...

I'm just thinking out loud....

According to these reports, her due date was January 15th. I think I heard that from another report as well. She reported the rape in April although I've never seen an exact day in April reported.

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13531467.html
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/12/ddn011208marinelocal.html

[SeriouslySearching]

OK After contemplating this for a few...it isn't a huge discrepancy since we don't know for a fact when the alleged rape actually took place and when the case began. We can't count on the military to be forthcoming, or LE..so the media is depending on speculation then? It could be off 15-30 days even.:rolleyes:

[JDB]

I'm wondering how Maria was lured to the home. I'm also still wondering about her car being left at the bus station. Didn't an employee at the bus station say that Maria asked if she could leave her car parked there and also stated that it was Maria who parked the car. If so, my question also is: Was Christina "pretending" to be Maria? Could she have bought the ticket in Maria's name? Could she have been the one to park the car at the station?

NAN lets try this one. What if It was Maria buying the ticket? The POS might have been inside of the station watching her.Maria ask to leave her car there . And then went with POS . IIRC the ticket was bought on the 14th.I really think the wife was out of town when this all went down. One of the neighbors said Maria car was parked in the POS driveway. And that he drove it away.

[SeriouslySearching]

They saw him park it in front of his house several times while his wife was gone according to that article which I now have to go back and find. lol

[believe09]

Sheesh, for all we know Cesar is sitting dead from a SIGS wound in NC somewhere!

That's my vote...(did I just say that?)

[JDB]

No, the "incident" was the rape.

I think FC is correct. The rape was one incident. But Maria also got a military restraining order because of all the harressment she was getting.

[lkd-ga]

"Now that is a thought! Has anyone been able to clarify if she is in the military?"


She is a former Marine. When the case 1st broake LE was saying that the information came from a former female marine.

[FlowerChild]

If she was due the 1st week of Jan then the rape happened early-mid April - if she reported the rape immediately that would put the date charges were filed as sometime early to mid April.

If she reported this assault/rape when it happened (which all signs say she did) WHY was she FORCED to keep working with POS as her superior officer from April till her death?? This makes NO SENSE!! Was there no way to MOVE one of them elsewhere and put Maria under a different superior officer? Or was their idea to wait until the baby was born to establish paternity and then move on charges?? And did Maria drop the charges because the military said they would make POS support the baby if it was his and he could not do that if he was IN JAIL on rape charges - so it would be better for her to just take the support and move on???

This whole issue of what happened to Maria is AWFUL! She was ignored, harassed and finally MURDERED because the military couldn't be bothered to take her seriously. It's basically organized betrayal and the whole system let her down at every step.

My Opinion

[Camper]

If the rape was reported in April and If her due date is Feb. 15
could he NOT be the father, and that in itself would invoke quite
a bit of rage, if He feels she is ruining his life with the rape charges
ect. and then he finds out it couldn't be his baby. Maybe that is
what she came to his house to tell him, that she was dropping the
charges and he wasn't the father and then all crap hit the fan.
Just throwing out ideas.



--->>>Interesting thought of yours. DNA will tell the story. Wonder how that testing is coming along OR IF they already have the results of it?

This case and Stacy Peterson case is getting on my last frazzled nerve!

The drifting cars moving here and there is another aspect of wonderment.

.
.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think FC is correct. The rape was one incident. But Maria also got a military restraining order because of all the harressment she was getting.You guys are making my brain work overtime today. LOL If I am not mistaken, when you file rape allegations in the military only the protection/restraining order is automatically issued due to the nature of the charge. 3 were issued in her case. Again, I will have to back to find the link to the article where I read this...but I believe that is what it said.

[Indy Gal]

If the rape was reported in April and If her due date is Feb. 15
could he NOT be the father, and that in itself would invoke quite
a bit of rage, if He feels she is ruining his life with the rape charges
ect. and then he finds out it couldn't be his baby. Maybe that is
what she came to his house to tell him, that she was dropping the
charges and he wasn't the father and then all crap hit the fan.
Just throwing out ideas.
I have not seen feb 15th but jan 8th as due date. Once back in the office I will find it, unless someone wants too.LOL

[Pharlap]

You guys are making my brain work overtime today. LOL If I am not mistaken, when you file rape allegations in the military only the protection/restraining order is automatically issued due to the nature of the charge. 3 were issued in her case. Again, I will have to back to find the link to the article where I read this...but I believe that is what it said.


At this point, I really don't trust the military there.
What if they got all the dates mixed up....

[Indy Gal]

"Now that is a thought! Has anyone been able to clarify if she is in the military?"


She is a former Marine. When the case 1st broake LE was saying that the information came from a former female marine.
Someone, plese dont ask who LOL, said way back she is in the marines right now. BUT I dont know for sure. I know no help.

[rccook555]

Someone, plese dont ask who LOL, said way back she is in the marines right now. BUT I dont know for sure. I know no help.

Yeah i had seen the same thing. I heard she was former then later on i heard that she is currently in the Marines. I'll try to go back and find it. I am having alot of issues with the website here today. Might have to do with me having a zillion other web pages open too. :waitasec:

[panthera]

They found her ATM card at a bus stop in Raleigh-Durham, NC last weekend.

He said the wife was a KEY witness and not a suspect. The daughter is 18 months old and is with family members so is safe.
Good afternoon everyone! That is news ~ I was sure that an ATM machine must have kept the card leading LE to find it. I wonder who left it up there in Raleigh?

[lkd-ga]

This case really get to me. From the info we have now it would seem logical that he had some type of help whether is was someone who particapated willing or they were manipulated. Laurean appeared to be a master at manipulating people and I would think that with LE not calling the wife a suspect that she was not part of this knownly. However, who bought the
bus ticket? It had to be a woman that was pregnant. I do not see Maria
purchasing a ticket. I wonder if there are other women in his life that might have helped. Are there other rape victims? Another girlfriend? Something or someone is missing in this case.

[lkd-ga]

Yeah i had seen the same thing. I heard she was former then later on i heard that she is currently in the Marines. I'll try to go back and find it. I am having alot of issues with the website here today. Might have to do with me having a zillion other web pages open too. :waitasec:



Last Friday the Sheriff stated at a news conference that it was a Former Female Marine. But I do not think that the Sheriff knows what he is doing half the time.

[panthera]

Also the due date could of been incorrect, does happen...Doctor's error...and/or she gave the wrong last period date.
She could of been 9 months along and a late delievery.
1st ones they say are usually late, m