Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #6

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[panthera]

Camper ~ I understood the neighbor (on Greta tonight) to say it was 6:30am he saw both CL and the wife, not in the evening. But even at that it is off from what we've been thinking that he left around 4am. Maybe 4am was on the note and that's when he intended to leave, but then she woke up or for some reason he didn't leave as early as planned? But then, why would the wife not give him more of a head start and take the note to LE at 8am? Something's not making sense with the neighbor's story!

[Tom'sGirl]

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Thank you chico!

[SuziQ]

Camper ~ I understood the neighbor (on Greta tonight) to say it was 6:30am he saw both CL and the wife, not in the evening. But even at that it is off from what we've been thinking that he left around 4am. Maybe 4am was on the note and that's when he intended to leave, but then she woke up or for some reason he didn't leave as early as planned? But then, why would the wife not give him more of a head start and take the note to LE at 8am? Something's not making sense with the neighbor's story!

Maybe it was 6:30pm the night before? That would make sense if he worked a night shift. But we all now know he never showed up for that night shift. I think JJ found that info. He could have split at 6:30 PM and that would give him a 13 hour lead on LE.

[SuziQ]

Did we confirm whether Christina was given immunity? Or what the person who posted that being sarcastic?

[FlowerChild]

6:30 on WHAT DAY?

I'm not sure the neighbor saw what he said he saw ON THE DATE he said he saw it?

I also am getting the feeling that the neighbor is enjoying the media attention just a little TOO much - it sure seems that as time goes on he is feeding the media all sorts of info I am not sure he could "know" --- just to be on TV and be in the center of the story. And remember this info is NOT being filtered thru LE FIRST for verification and whether it fits the info LE KNOWS and the evidence they have. This guy could pretty much say ANYTHING at this point and it would go nationwide within seconds of him saying it - with absolutely NO verification or corroboration by LE as to its veracity. We should be careful with any eyewitness info that comes from ANYONE until LE has a chance to verify it. Even if the eyewitness is 100%v truthful and DID see POS or something helpful to the investigation till it's VERIFIED by authorities then it's ALL unverified rumor and talk - as is what we are speculating her at WS right now.

And did I just read Mrs POS was NOT out of town - just "not at home" when POS killed Maria??? Well then IMO there is NO WAY she didn't know Maria was dead and POS killed her - because that much blood did not get cleaned up and painted over perfectly in a few HOURS. Surely she did NOT really believe that Maria came over to their house just to cut her own throat in their living room?? And if she DID believe it then WHY did she not call LE the minute she found a blood-soaked house and a dead Maria?? Mrs POS knew Maria was dead for 25 DAYS and calmly looked at her car in her driveway, went around painting over her blood and burning her body and landscaping OVER her and the baby's remains in her yard and spending Maria's MONEY - and she didn't say a WORD when word got out Maria was missing - but DID make sure Maria's car left her driveway ASAP and Maria's phone got found far away and OH, and someone made sure a note was left in Maria's apt and Maria's toothbrush was taken and someone (female) bought a a bus ticket to El Paso for a dead woman. :eek::eek::eek:

Mrs POS going to need some immunity, I think.

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[Tom'sGirl]

Did we confirm whether Christina was given immunity? Or what the person who posted that being sarcastic?
I have never read anything to confirm this SQ, or have I heard it in the Media.

[STEADFAST]

Maybe it was 6:30pm the night before? That would make sense if he worked a night shift. But we all now know he never showed up for that night shift. I think JJ found that info. He could have split at 6:30 PM and that would give him a 13 hour lead on LE.

No, the neighbor said his wife walks their chihuahuas every morning at 6:30 and then gets her daughter up for school. He said she saw Laurean in front of his house when she took the dogs out, but by 8:00 when the daughter left for school, Laurean had already "fleed."

Laurean was a personnel clerk. They do not have a night shift.

[SuziQ]

No, the neighbor said his wife walks their chihuahuas every morning at 6:30 and then gets her daughter up for school. He said she saw Laurean in front of his house when she took the dogs out, but by 8:00 when the daughter left for school, Laurean had already "fleed."

Laurean was a personnel clerk. They do not have a night shift.

Thanks for the info.

[lilpony]

No, the neighbor said his wife walks their chihuahuas every morning at 6:30 and then gets her daughter up for school. He said she saw Laurean in front of his house when she took the dogs out, but by 8:00 when the daughter left for school, Laurean had already "fleed."

Laurean was a personnel clerk. They do not have a night shift.

Correct, I heard the same interview!!

[philamena]

Just finished reading all the updates and comments from Monday. How sad that Maria was subjected to verbal abuse, rape, pregnancy and the thoughts and worries of facing a trial. Then to see the pos again and be violently murdered and burned and buried with her unborn baby. Where is the justice?
This creep needs to be caught asap. And his wife IMO should be also be questioned...she could well be an accomplice in this case. I don't buy her story for a minute.

[SuziQ]

Something I just thought of. I hope Christina isn't offered any type of immunity until Cesar is caught. Because they could very well find out that she was an equal party then they are screwed in prosecuting her. Am I correct on that? Isn't that what happened with that creepy girl and her husband that killed her sister? They were from Canada.

[Camper]

No, the neighbor said his wife walks their chihuahuas every morning at 6:30 and then gets her daughter up for school. He said she saw Laurean in front of his house when she took the dogs out, but by 8:00 when the daughter left for school, Laurean had already "fleed."

Laurean was a personnel clerk. They do not have a night shift.


--->>>I stand corrected. The neighbor did say that his own wife was nosy, and that was how he knew times etc. The first he knew about anything was when his wife called him and told him there were about 25 police cars next door.

.Thanks.

[Mygirlsadie]

I was listening to the Sheriff talk and something he said struck me as odd...( I know I know ) He said after finding the note Christina took the note to the command on Camp Lejune & they in turn took it to the Sheriff he said he recieved the note at 9am. OK...then Christina's father said Christina tried to make POS turn himself in..to do the right thing blah blah blah...so if POS supposedly left the house at 4am & Christina was already at that time telling him to do the right thing and turn himself in why did she wait all those hours to report this? I think she is involved and I think the only reason she didn't run with him is because of their daughter...I only wish they gave Maria's son as much consideration! :furious:

[Elphaba]

Something I just thought of. I hope Christina isn't offered any type of immunity until Cesar is caught. Because they could very well find out that she was an equal party then they are screwed in prosecuting her. Am I correct on that? Isn't that what happened with that creepy girl and her husband that killed her sister? They were from Canada.

Yeah... Karla Homolka... she was in the thick of those murders right beside her husband. She's a free woman now, living under a new identity.

I agree, I hope they wait until he is caught before dealing with the wife and clearing out all possible aspects in regards of her being just as or partly culpable in Maria's murder.

[SuziQ]

(snip)
Authorities are on the hunt for Lance Corporal Cesar Armando Laurean. He graduated from Palo Verde High School in 2005.
His parents live in Las Vegas, and today Action News had a chance to get some reactions from neighbors.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7623031

[Rum Tum Tugger]

Camper ~ I understood the neighbor (on Greta tonight) to say it was 6:30am he saw both CL and the wife, not in the evening. But even at that it is off from what we've been thinking that he left around 4am. Maybe 4am was on the note and that's when he intended to leave, but then she woke up or for some reason he didn't leave as early as planned? But then, why would the wife not give him more of a head start and take the note to LE at 8am? Something's not making sense with the neighbor's story!


Panthera - Yes, the 6:30 A.M. time is correct.

However, just for accuracy - the male neighbor did not say "he" saw Cesar the morning he fled. He said that "his wife" saw Cesar outside getting ready to leave when "she" took her dogs out for a walk - something she does every morning at 6:30. He stated that his wife then wakes their daughter for school. He said the school bus comes at 8 AM and his wife told him Laurean's car was gone at that time.

He also said that he & his wife had seen "both" Cesar & Christina outside in their driveway the previous evening. Said he thought they were arguing as young couples do & that his wife was trying to overhear their conversation.

In my mind - we're still, more or less, dealing with hearsay. The neighbor is telling the reporter what he says his wife told him.

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Originally Posted by Panthera - thread 5 - pg 19

I agree she'd be capable of doing him in too. There is a problem with the theory though. The neighbor just said (on Greta's show) that he saw both of them at 6:30am on Friday. That doesn't make sense though since Christina said he'd left at 4am and she went to LE at 8am ~ so CL only had an 1-1/2 hr. head start on LE?

panthera

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok I was digging around a little bit and was able to view POS private pictures on his myspace page... He only has one other one then the one used as his default but you can see it larger and get a better idea on what he looks like...here ya go! http://lads.myspace.com/slides/photoslider.swf?u=280188354

[Pharlap]

I have never read anything to confirm this SQ, or have I heard it in the Media.

Didn't Nancy G ask that last night, and the sheriff didn't answer it?:confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Galvino! We have great people around here and we are glad to have you join us!

OK I have finally caught up reading here and after listening to reports last night, I think the comments the Sheriff made about the wife were very telling. I am learning to read between his lines and it isn't pretty. (It is a good thing this Sheriff has an honesty policy where he tries not to have his words come back on him and we get to watch the DA cringe everytime the Sheriff speaks. LOL)

His comments on the wife to me were glaring with the reality she has been telling them she had no involvement, but they don't believe her story. It also makes me believe they do not have an immunity agreement with her...yet. The Sheriff was making that clear in the statement he made about her being a witness TODAY. As they are gathering evidence in this case, they are also questioning her knowledge and involvement. She could very well be a player and everything she has done was to set up her husband for killing the woman who threatened her life as she knew it. The only thing we know for certain is that she is a former Marine.

I have questions for her:

1. How long have you known about Maria L. and how did you gain this knowledge? Did you have personal contact with Maria? What was your knowledge of the rape charges against your husband? When did you find out about her pregnancy? Were you aware they were waiting on her child to be born to determine paternity and it would be a key element in that case? Were you aware of the protective orders taken out against your husband?
2. Were you jealous? Your husband possibly either raped or had an affair with Maria. Either way, you have been betrayed if the child turns out to be his. Were you angry when you found he had been accused? Did you ever confront Maria about the charges or the child she was carrying?
3. Where were you when this woman was being brutally slain in your home?
4. Where did you think your husband was during this time?
5. Where was your child?
6. When this woman went missing, your husband was seen parking her car in your driveway. Did you see the vehicle? Did you ever drive or ride in the vehicle? Did you ever ask your husband who the vehicle belonged to or why he was driving it? Did you go with your husband to leave the vehicle where it was found by LE?
7. Did you purchase a bus ticket to El Paso, TX on Dec. 15th?
8. What reason did your husband give for tearing out part of your back fence and burning it in your backyard? Digging a "cavity"? Was the the hole in the back fence the reason you then took your dog and child to the front yard? Was this "fire pit" used for a BBQ after Dec. 15th? Who attended?
9. Where is the bedding or furniture from the room where they found blood evidence? Carpeting? Clothes that could have been out and may have blood on them? Lamps? You have blood on your ceiling and in another place in your home. Obviously, blood did not just appear on the ceiling and not on other things in the room. What is missing from your home since Dec. 15th?
10. Someone tried to clean it up the mess, did you help? Where are the rags, the mop, the gloves, or anything else used in this attempt such as trash bags? Who bought the bleach or other items to clean this horrific scene? Who bought the paint? Did you help with the painting as a neighbor has suggested? Where are the receipts and what dates were all of the above items purchased?
11. After finding the note left by your husband, why didn't you pick up the phone immediately and dial 911? Did you go into the backyard to investigate his claims? How long did you stay in the home after finding out a woman was brutally murdered in your home? Did you see your husband on the day he left? What time and what did you discuss?

These are questions I would want answers to for starters. You would think that LE has already asked her, but also in the Sheriff's interviews...he has implied for now they are not asking the hard questions of her, but allowing her to provide information and stick to her story. I would consider it giving her enough rope myself. They don't want her to "lawyer up". When they find him, they want to hear his side of the story and see if he implicates her in this murder.

[Jaded]

Provocative thoughts, as always SS. I'm wondering myself what Mrs. POS had to say when he ripped out the fencing and had a bonfire in the backyard. My hinkey meter is going all kinds of crazy about her.

[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry for the long post, but these questions have been bouncing around in my mind for awhile. They need to be asked of her and considered here, imo.

[Ticamom]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Excellent questions, Seriously Searching.:clap: :clap: :clap:

I can only hope that Onslow County LE has or will also ask her such important questions.

No news of Cpl. POS or his whereabous ? I haven't turned on the TV yet so I haven't heard any news reports. God, I hope they catch him very soon.

[SeriouslySearching]

Nothing yet on his whereabouts that I have heard since I woke up at 4:00am.

[shdbepaintin]

very very good questions SS
good questions for the wife
and good questions for those investigating,
wondering if they have (please dear god say they have)
checked out credit card activity, when purchasing
things like the paint ect.
lots of evidence to be collected and found. where
did all the rags and things he used to clean up go.
lots of questions.
I watch way to much CSI and Law and Order

[SeriouslySearching]

Sheriff Brown is on Fox right now live.

He said it was the first time he was going to report on what he "believes". He believes that speed (traveling at a high rate of speed) is no longer a consideration for the suspect trying to get somewhere and believes that he is where he was going now. It is going to depend on people now to turn him in where he is. I had to laugh at this comment..."He is where he wants to be." (Haven't we heard this before?! LOL)

[Mygirlsadie]

hmm so basically Brown has nothing... :rolleyes:




Sheriff Brown is on Fox right now live.

He said it was the first time he was going to report on what he "believes". He believes that speed (traveling at a high rate of speed) is no longer a consideration for the suspect trying to get somewhere and believes that he is where is was going now. It is going to depend on people now to turn him in where he is. I had to laugh at this comment..."He is where he wants to be." (Haven't we heard this before?! LOL)

[the original tez]

Excellent questions SS! I am leaning toward her involvement. I think she was in on the whole thing. If not, at least the cover-up. I'd be most surprised if she wasn't involved at all and is just the most clueless person alive!

[Mygirlsadie]

I am leaning towards her being involved too..She may have even been the one who planted the idea in his head. Someone helped him because after dropping her car of who drove him home? The wife helped paint the house so did she not wonder why we are painting over all this blood? Of course she is involved..probably couldn't handle another women having her mans baby.


Excellent questions SS! I am leaning toward her involvement. I think she was in on the whole thing. If not, at least the cover-up. I'd be most surprised if she wasn't involved at all and is just the most clueless person alive!

[ceeaura]

Finally got caught up again.You guys are great.Lots and lots of great sleuthing going on around here :clap: .

Can some one tell me if I am understanding this correctly.From what the Sherriff was saying on NG last night..

That Detective got the case on the 19th didn't know about the rape.Contacted the mother and got info that there was an "incident" on base in April.They wanted to first talk to her roomate(because he lived with her...first place to look really because he would be one of the closest people to her easy access ect) In talking to her duty station they kept getting the run around.The detectives finally went to the Sherriff and told him of the run around they were getting from her duty station.
Sherriff calls the CO of the Base which he found out knew nothing about the "incident" on base.The CO gave them the info of the rape ect which is when Cpl POSs name came up.The CO also put the wheels in motion for the roommate to be brought back from CA.
Thats when Cpl POS said he would come in for questioning cancelled promised another date and Lawyered up and his Lawyers stated that he would not be questioned.


Is this correct?

[Ticamom]

hmm so basically Brown has nothing... :rolleyes:

So what else in New ?????? :rolleyes:

Sheriff Brown seems like a nice enough guy, but he exasperates the heck outta me !!!! :behindbar

[Littledeer]

SS:


Nothing yet on his whereabouts that I have heard since I woke up at 4:00am.


And who were YOUR neighbors to vouch that you were up at this time? LOL.

I also agree that you asked some very important questions that need to be addressed by Christina. I would also like to ask her father some.

When did your daughter first contact you with any information on Maria's disappearance? What did you tell your daughter to do when she told you that your son-in-law probably (did) kill another marine? I am sure that dear old Dad gave a lot of military advice to his daughter to protect her from any involvement with Maria's death. (meaning any repercussions from the Military) until such time as LE can PROVE that she was involved.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yeah..he seems like a good ol' country boy but apparently not fit for this case at all. IMO



So what else in New ?????? :rolleyes:

Sheriff Brown seems like a nice enough guy, but he exasperates the heck outta me !!!! :behindbar

[ceeaura]

Oh left out that the CO did not know about her being UA/missing either until like when I wonder?When

[Littledeer]

chico:

Thanks for the new thread!! Is there anyway you can bring forward the other 5 threads??

[Taximom]

WOW. I saw the neighbor interviewed last night knocking Christina's story full of holes. They have absolutely no reason to lie about such a thing, whereas the wife sure does. Surely she's being held somewhere, right?!

Greta rocks.

[golfmom]

Excellent questions SS! I am leaning toward her involvement. I think she was in on the whole thing. If not, at least the cover-up. I'd be most surprised if she wasn't involved at all and is just the most clueless person alive!

Even though they keep reporting that she's been cooperative, I think that she was either knows more or was much more involved than she's led authorities to believe.

Personally, I think that LE should lean on her HARD. It's possible that Laurean's actions have been an attempt to try to cover up her involvement? If he perceived that she and their daughter were in serious jeopardy due to his actions perhaps it might get him to turn himself in.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ceeaura~ The Sheriff's outline of LE's and Marines' timeline is difficult to pin down to say the least. Yes, he did say in fact the top tier of the Base did not know about the rape case as this was handled on the bottom level. Yes, the Sheriff did say that because of the Military's holiday status, they could not find anyone to talk to about this case. The name of the suspect did not appear initially and the military had to dig to get it.

The rest of his investigation timeline is as clear as mud to me from that interview.

[SeriouslySearching]

What if this seemingly innocent wife took care of both of them at different times? He was ruining her life because of his actions previously and Maria was going to make certain her life would never be the same by having his child. How do we know she wasn't calling all the shots in this bizarre case?

Jealous rage could figure into this big time. Another scenario: She actually does the murder of Maria while hubby stands by watching it unfold. He has to help with the cover up. She realizes they aren't going to get away with it and decides he can't be allowed to talk to authorities to finger her...so she takes care of him before writing the note and leading the police on a wild goose chase for him.

Hey, after the cases we have seen...it could happen. Do I think so? No, but until they find him and we can hear his side of it...anything is possible.

[SeriouslySearching]

I am sure that dear old Dad gave a lot of military advice to his daughter to protect her from any involvement with Maria's death. (meaning any repercussions from the Military) until such time as LE can PROVE that she was involved.
I thought it was Maria's father that was military? :confused:

[ceeaura]

What if this seemingly innocent wife took care of both of them at different times? He was ruining her life because of his actions previously and Maria was going to make certain her life would never be the same by having his child. How do we know she wasn't calling all the shots in this bizarre case?

Jealous rage could figure into this big time. Another scenario: She actually does the murder of Maria while hubby stands by watching it unfold. He has to help with the cover up. She realizes they aren't going to get away with it and decides he can't be allowed to talk to authorities to finger her...so she takes care of him before writing the note and leading the police on a wild goose chase for him.

Hey, after the cases we have seen...it could happen. Do I think so? No, but until they find him and we can hear his side of it...anything is possible.


Yikes well yea that could happen...

Thanks for responding to my post.It is hard to get what the sheriff is trying to say sometimes.It takes him forever to get to his point :bang: .

:doh: Thats right about the holidays.People going on leave ect.It would be like Jan 2-4 before things would really start to get back to normal working days.

Still its sounding like her duty station dropped the ball big time.I would not want to be a person in her duty station at all from the lowest man on the pole to her CO of her duty station.The hammer is going to be coming down on them hard.Just wonder if we will ever hear of it?Or if just one person will take the fall?

[lkd-ga]

What if this seemingly innocent wife took care of both of them at different times? He was ruining her life because of his actions previously and Maria was going to make certain her life would never be the same by having his child. How do we know she wasn't calling all the shots in this bizarre case?

Jealous rage could figure into this big time. Another scenario: She actually does the murder of Maria while hubby stands by watching it unfold. He has to help with the cover up. She realizes they aren't going to get away with it and decides he can't be allowed to talk to authorities to finger her...so she takes care of him before writing the note and leading the police on a wild goose chase for him.

Hey, after the cases we have seen...it could happen. Do I think so? No, but until they find him and we can hear his side of it...anything is possible.


With Maria's ATM card being found in Raleigh/Durham I wonder if they have checked the area for his body. What if wife made a trip to this area to dump a body and plant the card to make it look like CL was there.

[golfmom]

With Maria's ATM card being found in Raleigh/Durham I wonder if they have checked the area for his body. What if wife made a trip to this area to dump a body and plant the card to make it look like CL was there.

One of the things that keeps running through my mind is ... what parts of these events would he have needed assistance? For example, moving cars about, buying the ticket, ATM transactions, cleaning & painting etc.

[golfmom]

WOW. I saw the neighbor interviewed last night knocking Christina's story full of holes. They have absolutely no reason to lie about such a thing, whereas the wife sure does. Surely she's being held somewhere, right?!

Greta rocks.

I only caught part of Greta's show last night. Could you do a recap of what you remember?:blowkiss:

[SuziQ]

Ceeaura~ The Sheriff's outline of LE's and Marines' timeline is difficult to pin down to say the least. Yes, he did say in fact the top tier of the Base did not know about the rape case as this was handled on the bottom level. Yes, the Sheriff did say that because of the Military's holiday status, they could not find anyone to talk to about this case. The name of the suspect did not appear initially and the military had to dig to get it.

The rest of his investigation timeline is as clear as mud to me from that interview.

Why did they have to dig? Maria's rape case was still active and going to a grand jury shortly. Wouldn't Cesar be the focus of the GJ? Wouldn't his name be right on the top of every document regarding that case?

Can you imagine the gaskets Brown blew dealing with these yahoos?

[SuziQ]

SS, I hope LE is giving Christina rope to hang herself. Having a suspect lawyer up is not what they want.

[nanandjim]

...Sherriff calls the CO of the Base which he found out knew nothing about the "incident" on base...
I can envision it all now. Military has never liked civilian people. I hope to heck heads will roll. However, unless it stays in the limelight and the parents press the issues, it will be swept under the rug.

They should not have been working together after the rape. I wonder how close they worked to one another. Some offices on base on small. Others have more than one floor. However, I would be scared to death to have this rapist anywhere near me. You know that he was saying crap behind her back. She was young and trusted that her immediate supervisor would protect her. I'm sorry, but, from my experience, they protect the "man" before they protect the "woman." When I was around the miltary, they didn't even want women in the military. They could have thought that this woman was taking a spot from a man, who would be sent into combat.

[SLP]

Even though they keep reporting that she's been cooperative, I think that she was either knows more or was much more involved than she's led authorities to believe.

Personally, I think that LE should lean on her HARD. It's possible that Laurean's actions have been an attempt to try to cover up her involvement? If he perceived that she and their daughter were in serious jeopardy due to his actions perhaps it might get him to turn himself in.


ITA. There are too many things that point to her involvement (neighbors account, the car parked in their driveway, her helping to paint and burn stuff in backyard, etc) and only ONE thing that points to her being not involved. The letter that POS left. That letter could have been planned by both of them. He does not even admit to the murder in it (in fact he lied about it) so I feel like it was a well thought out plan and not a heartfelt tearful confession and goodbye to his wife.

I think the letter was left behind with the intent of clearing Christina of any involvement so she could take care of his child and not be arrested. I wonder if he wanted to run and she did not (or maybe they thought it would be easier for just him to run because of their child) so leaving behind the letter was a way to distnace her from the crime and him after he left. Conveniently that letter allowed her to go to the police with proof she was not involved, him a shaky (at best) defense if he is ever caught and him a way to get a head start out of the state before she had to tell someone.

[SeriouslySearching]

Why did they have to dig? Maria's rape case was still active and going to a grand jury shortly. Wouldn't Cesar be the focus of the GJ? Wouldn't his name be right on the top of every document regarding that case?

Can you imagine the gaskets Brown blew dealing with these yahoos?I saw or heard somewhere that his name did not appear on initial reports so they may have referred to him by his SS# or some other form of ID. They don't have GJ investigations in the military, do they? Maybe I missed something. Anyway, it was stated his name didn't begin to appear on documentation until later for some reason tho.

[SeriouslySearching]

Press conference is coming up soon according to Fox News.

[golfmom]

I think the letter was left behind with the intent of clearing Christina of any involvement so she could take care of his child and not be arrested. I wonder if he wanted to run and she did not (or maybe they thought it would be easier for just him to run because of their child) so leaving behind the letter was a way to distnace her from the crime and him after he left. Conveniently that letter allowed her to go to the police with proof she was not involved, him a shaky (at best) defense if he is ever caught and him a way to get a head start out of the state before she had to tell someone.

That's exactly why I think that they should be leaning on her HARD! If he perceived that she was in danger it might shake him out of the woodwork.

This crime is horrifying to me as both my husband and brother are former Marines. The respect, honor and integrity of the Marine Corps has been horribly tarnished by this POS's actions.

[SeriouslySearching]

They want her to keep talking to them. They aren't going lean on her hard yet.

I am a bit anxious to hear this press conference tho. Hope they have something to report!

[lkd-ga]

I wonder why Christina's last name if different from her fathers. She is listed
as Christina Smith Laurean and his name is Bruce Shifflet. Was she married
before Laurean?

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder why Christina's last name if different from her fathers. She is listed
as Christina Smith Laurean and his name is Bruce Shifflet. Was she married
before Laurean?Could be he never married her mother? Did we determine if he was Military? Is Maria's father Military?

[Pharlap]

Press conference is coming up soon according to Fox News.


What time, I just got on?

[SeriouslySearching]

Still not on yet, Pharlap~ Looks like you got here in plenty of time! : )

[golfmom]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7621462&nav=168Y

His father-in-law says he's not the man he thought he was.

"I thought I knew him very well and this is quite surprising because I said I thought he was a man of character and it's obviously he's just a coward taking off on his family and leaving. This is just as a tragedy for both families. It's just a horrible vulgar act," said Bruce Shifflet, Laurean's father-in-law.

.....

Laurean's father-in-law says his daughter, Christina, spoke with him before he fled.

"He needed to go to the police and talk about, because he told her that he -- he said to her that Maria committed suicide and that he panicked and took the body and buried it out in the woods. That's when Christina said that he needs to go before the police, but he didn't. He took off," said Shifflet.

[SeriouslySearching]

He will be more shocked if he finds his daughter isn't the person he thinks she is...if she has been lying about her involvement.

[SuziQ]

I saw or heard somewhere that his name did not appear on initial reports so they may have referred to him by his SS# or some other form of ID. They don't have GJ investigations in the military, do they? Maybe I missed something. Anyway, it was stated his name didn't begin to appear on documentation until later for some reason tho.

Until I read about this case, I wasn't aware that the military had GJ'S either.

[SeriouslySearching]

Now Fox is saying there is "Breaking News" in this case coming in the presser. (Speculation is the report of COD and confirmation it is Maria L.'s body.)

[golfmom]

Two minutes until Fox update ...

[Littledeer]

SS:

It was Maria's father. That is why I said:

am sure that dear old Dad gave a lot of military advice to his daughter

[ember]

Morning all

Press conf. minutes away on FOX.

Expecting news on COD. Autopsy is in. They think it was BFT to the head.

I just knew it was BFT. Too much blood.
Oh geesh, that poor girl....but now I have even more reason to suspect wifey.

[KOOL LOOK]

Fox just now reporting, there is going to be a news conference shortly. Kelly just sated that we probably will learn the body has been officially identified as that of Maria and that possible blunt for trauma is the cause of death.

IMO, with the body being burned beyong recognization, it may very well hide other evidence of torture, such as an attempt to take the baby, torture during a possible time period of days she may have been in captivity, we don't know proof positive yet the true details of everything, for police are still investigating and learning.

Coming out of the closet, :eek: I've always liked sheriff brown. The first time I even saw him on fox was while I was visiting my Pastor for prayer to be healed before surgery, He yelled out, "Ilike that man".

According to fox, autopsy results which were kept secret as of last night, are now saying blunt force trauma is the result of death, which is in contrast to the note left according to Laurean. Cops are on top of this people. Coming up news conference.

[SuziQ]

live link here:
http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news/live_video.html

[Pharlap]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7621462&nav=168Y

His father-in-law says he's not the man he thought he was.

"I thought I knew him very well and this is quite surprising because I said I thought he was a man of character and it's obviously he's just a coward taking off on his family and leaving. This is just as a tragedy for both families. It's just a horrible vulgar act," said Bruce Shifflet, Laurean's father-in-law.

.....

Laurean's father-in-law says his daughter, Christina, spoke with him before he fled.

"He needed to go to the police and talk about, because he told her that he -- he said to her that Maria committed suicide and that he panicked and took the body and buried it out in the woods. That's when Christina said that he needs to go before the police, but he didn't. He took off," said Shifflet.


Just got finished reading the article, good find.
before
I smell a rat..

Hope the conference is late, have to take my dogs out....

[SuziQ]

He will be more shocked if he finds his daughter isn't the person he thinks she is...if she has been lying about her involvement.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Littledeer]

For those who can't get near a tv or have speakers, can someone recap the press announcement please????

[Taximom]

I only caught part of Greta's show last night. Could you do a recap of what you remember?:blowkiss:

The main point I remember is that the neighbor said his wife ALWAYS gets up at 6:30 a.m. to walk their dog(s). When his wife got up that morning (that Laurean fled), Laurean was still there. When her child got on the bus around 8 a.m., Laurean was gone.

Which to me blows the "he left at 4 a.m." story.

[SeriouslySearching]

SS:

It was Maria's father. That is why I said:That is why I asked...because I thought earlier someone had mentioned that Maria's father was military (Master Sgt.).

I should never sleep around here! I get details out of place in my head when I do. LOL

[SeriouslySearching]

Which to me blows the "he left at 4 a.m." story.Sure does! :liar:

[STEADFAST]

Finally got caught up again.You guys are great.Lots and lots of great sleuthing going on around here :clap: .

Can some one tell me if I am understanding this correctly.From what the Sherriff was saying on NG last night..

That Detective got the case on the 19th didn't know about the rape.Contacted the mother and got info that there was an "incident" on base in April.They wanted to first talk to her roomate(because he lived with her...first place to look really because he would be one of the closest people to her easy access ect) In talking to her duty station they kept getting the run around.The detectives finally went to the Sherriff and told him of the run around they were getting from her duty station.
Sherriff calls the CO of the Base which he found out knew nothing about the "incident" on base.The CO gave them the info of the rape ect which is when Cpl POSs name came up.The CO also put the wheels in motion for the roommate to be brought back from CA.
Thats when Cpl POS said he would come in for questioning cancelled promised another date and Lawyered up and his Lawyers stated that he would not be questioned.


Is this correct?

That is exactly how I remember it, too.

[ember]

Press conference???

well, so much for minutes away!

Geesh! Come on already! I'm supposed to be working and can't hang out in front of the TV all day. Don't they know we're all waiting?! I don't even want to get up and go to the bathroom so I'm dancing a jig in my office right now. They'd better get it togther! :p

[SeriouslySearching]

On CNN now but not Fox.

[SewingDeb]

Another live link to presser.
http://www.wral.com/news/video/2304376/

Last presser Sheriff will do.

[Taximom]

Conference is up. Is there a live link?

"When CL is arrested, and he will be, there will be a huge release from this (Brown) office."

Now they have a public affairs person, FINALLY, and probably because Brown keeps blowing it. He's talking about his stress and fatigue level now. :( SHUT UP SHUT UP about yourself. He sounds nice, but needs to be more professional.

[KOOL LOOK]

Finally got caught up again.You guys are great.Lots and lots of great sleuthing going on around here :clap: .

Can some one tell me if I am understanding this correctly.From what the Sherriff was saying on NG last night..

That Detective got the case on the 19th didn't know about the rape.Contacted the mother and got info that there was an "incident" on base in April.They wanted to first talk to her roomate(because he lived with her...first place to look really because he would be one of the closest people to her easy access ect) In talking to her duty station they kept getting the run around.The detectives finally went to the Sherriff and told him of the run around they were getting from her duty station.
Sherriff calls the CO of the Base which he found out knew nothing about the "incident" on base.The CO gave them the info of the rape ect which is when Cpl POSs name came up.The CO also put the wheels in motion for the roommate to be brought back from CA.
Thats when Cpl POS said he would come in for questioning cancelled promised another date and Lawyered up and his Lawyers stated that he would not be questioned.


Is this correct?

Which now tells me,

1. They really really thought they had gotten away with it.
2. That yes, Laurean and Christina, who is a former marine and has contacts and friends in the military too, hindered the military's rape investigation along with harassing Maria. I mean, how did others know in order to harass her, it's not made everyones business. These two were behind the harassment.

3. After the sheriff got involved, who I like, they had to re-plan and again start staging.

[Taximom]

Brown saying he hasn't lied or misled anyone. ML probably murdered 12/15, 4 days before the missing person case was brought to their attention. Nothing his office could have done could have prevented the death of ML. Saying goodbyes now to press, one obligation tonight at 7:30 and he's handing the torch over apparently to the public affairs person...

[FlowerChild]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7621462&nav=168Y

His father-in-law says he's not the man he thought he was.

"I thought I knew him very well and this is quite surprising because I said I thought he was a man of character and it's obviously he's just a coward taking off on his family and leaving. This is just as a tragedy for both families. It's just a horrible vulgar act," said Bruce Shifflet, Laurean's father-in-law.

.....

Laurean's father-in-law says his daughter, Christina, spoke with him before he fled.

"He needed to go to the police and talk about, because he told her that he -- he said to her that Maria committed suicide and that he panicked and took the body and buried it out in the woods. That's when Christina said that he needs to go before the police, but he didn't. He took off," said Shifflet.
Ahmmm his DAUGHTER spent 25 days living in a house with painted over blood everywhere, a WEEK with Maria's CAR in her driveway, and his daughter KNEW Maria's body was IN HER BACKYARD! Whether she believed POS about the "suicide" or not, his DAUGHTER should have called the POLICE if CL wouldn't!!! At some point his daughter was just as much a coward as CL, she sat around for almost a month and DID NOTHING. Nothing until CL was conveniently GONE. They are BOTH COWARDS, IMO - and Christina is a MOTHER who should have been more sensitive to the pain of Maria's family and the horrible way that baby was killed and the fact that he was burned and buried in her back yard like trash. Even if his daughter was unable to work up any sympathy for Maria, one would think she would feel something for an innocent almost full term baby - little Gabriel was an innocent in ALL of this.

My Opinion

[JinxieJada]

I thought it was Maria's father that was military? :confused:


Me too, isn't he a Master Sergeant or something similar to that?


ETA - Sorry I posted before I read through!

[Taximom]

SS, I think that's what happened. There's a public affairs person (male/female?) now that will deal with the press for that county. He was saying goodbye, basically.

I imagine this case was hard on him, but after all these years you would think he'd have been more professional with ALL cases, especially this one.

[Taximom]

That's it for CNN coverage. They cut away after Brown said goodbye.

[Taximom]

They should have taken advantage of all that press and shown Laurean's picture again. :(

[KOOL LOOK]

My fellow sleuthers, the jest of this conference is: Maria was already dead before she was reported missing. There is nothing law enforcement could have done to prevent her death. We must and need to get behind this law enforcement agency and support them.

We ahve now learned there initial detectives on dec.19 having been given the missing report, had gotten the run around. The sheriff proceeded in contacting the CO, and finding more information as to a rape charge.

Laurean and Christina, needs to confess and repent. This sheriff will fight for maria, no doubt in my mind. The details involving this tragic sad case is a heart breaker.

The pivotal lesson to learn here, if you have a known person in your life who is missing, isn't acting in their normal contact routine, and especially is pregnant, facing adversaries as harassment, rape and assault, contact police. Investigate yourself. Lets learn this much.

[SeriouslySearching]

The concluded it on Fox with Hudson (DA) just going over the investigation and reporting he had talked to Maria's father, Victor, to inform him of the COD and the confirmation.

I think Brown taking a backseat is bad for sleuthers!!! Now, we will have no news to go on without reading between the lines!! GRRR! I will miss Brown.

[SuziQ]

DA talking about Fetal Homicide Law. Did I hear correctly about whether the baby had taken a breath or not? He is satisfied with how the Military handled their actions in the missing persons/murder case. He is not concerned or involved with the rape allegations. He is not going to get involved with the rape allegations.

[ember]

Dang it!
Boss called just as conf was getting started. I missed the whole darned thing. All that dancing for nothing. Anything big discussed?

TIA!

[SeriouslySearching]

Laurean and Christina, needs to confess and repent. This sheriff will fight for maria, no doubt in my mind. The details involving this tragic sad case is a heart breaker.

WAIT...he said that Christina needed to confess and repent?!?!?!

[jennyjwv]

did the DA just say they couldn't tell who the father of the baby was or could tell??? my sound isn't that great...

[SewingDeb]

Spokesperson won't talk about Laurean's wife, where she is, possibly helping him, etc. Referring reporters to the Sheriff.

[SuziQ]

I am having problems with sound as well. I can't hear the questions. So I don't know what they are answering. There seems to be a question as to whether the baby was born alive/taken a breath or not too soon to tell who the father of the baby is.

I'm having to paraphraise big time here.

[SewingDeb]

DA talking about Fetal Homicide Law. Did I hear correctly about whether the baby had taken a breath or not? He is satisfied with how the Military handled their actions in the missing persons/murder case. He is not concerned or involved with the rape allegations. He is not going to get involved with the rape allegations.

You heard that right. A baby is not a real person in NC until he/she draws the first breath. It makes me sick that we don't have a fetal homicide law in NC.

[SeriouslySearching]

OK is there a video of this presser? I am confused now. I just need to watch it again!

[SuziQ]

Bancard found is the one used at the ATM.

[SewingDeb]

It's still on live on WRAL. They will probably have the video on their site so you can watch it again.

[SuziQ]

You heard that right. A baby is not a real person in NC until he/she draws the first breath. It makes me sick that we don't have a fetal homicide law in NC.

lol, sorry I worded that wrong. There seems to be a question as to whether Gabriel took a breath or not. Not all autopsy info being released to us, has been sent to investigators.

[STEADFAST]

The concluded it on Fox with Hudson (DA) just going over the investigation and reporting he had talked to Maria's father, Victor, to inform him of the COD and the confirmation.

I think Brown taking a backseat is bad for sleuthers!!! Now, we will have no news to go on without reading between the lines!! GRRR! I will miss Brown.

Me, too. He is honest and straightforward and obviously passionate about justice and the victim. Also, he's got quite a turn of phrase.:)

[Taximom]

CNN back on again.

Transport her body back to OH for burial.

They cut back away again! Grrr..

Yes, I will miss Brown.

I did not hear Brown say anyone needs to confess etc., I think that was KL's commentary after the fact. lol Brown probably would like to say that though!

[SuziQ]

Any question asked of Christina, she has provided an answer for.

[ember]

Me, too. He is honest and straightforward and obviously passionate about justice and the victim. Also, he's got quite a turn of phrase.:)

I just want to know what he's going to tell us after POC is caught!
What could it be?

[SuziQ]

presser ended

[STEADFAST]

WAIT...he said that Christina needed to confess and repent?!?!?!

Did he??? :eek: I missed almost the whole press conference.

[jennyjwv]

apparently christina is not a suspect and is free to go where she pleases ... i like the new guy - he's cute :)

[ember]

Any question asked of Christina, she has provided an answer for.

Yeah, but was it the truth?
That's kind of vague.....

[SuziQ]

CNN back on again.

Transport her body back to OH for burial.

They cut back away again! Grrr..

Yes, I will miss Brown.

I did not hear Brown say anyone needs to confess etc., I think that was KL's commentary after the fact. lol Brown probably would like to say that though!

The media is thinking as most of us are. From the get go they have asked tough questions about Christina.

[ember]

Did he??? :eek: I missed almost the whole press conference.


No, if I'm not mistaken, those were KOOL's words. Her opinion. I think...

[SuziQ]

Yeah, but was it the truth?
That's kind of vague.....

Yes it is, just keep her talking!

[STEADFAST]

No, if I'm not mistaken, those were KOOL's words. Her opinion. I think...

Oh, ah. I thought it was part of the recap of the presser.

[SewingDeb]

This may already be posted somewhere on this thread but just in case it's not, here you go.

Neighbor Wanda Alander said she noticed paint cans stacked on the porch of the Laurean home before Christmas.

"When I went over there, the living room was already painted. (Christina Laurean) mentioned that they were going to do some more stuff, like paint the bedrooms and the garage," Alander said.

Alander also said she saw the couple burning something behind the house around the same time, while her husband claimed he saw Cesar Laurean driving Lauterbach's car.

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/2298230/

[golfmom]

Any question asked of Christina, she has provided an answer for.

That doesn't mean they are truthful answers and it doesn't seem like the sheriff's office is clearing her of any involvement.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah, OK. Thanks, Guys! I guess it was Kool's personal spin and not something he said.

It was still an interesting presser tho. With Blunt Force Trauma...for me it is a bit easier to understand the blood evidence they found. (It doesn't seem as horrific either for Maria, imo.)

[golfmom]

Sewing Deb, another interesting quote from the neighbor:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mt9VlbPWPqAJ:www.cwenc.com/news/+%22Wanda+Alander%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

"He said something about he was supposed to plant some flowers or something,” said one of Laurean’s direct neighbors, Wanda Alander.
"The car that they found...they found it backed up right where the Christmas tree and the trash can is because when I came home from work one day I thought it was my ex's car because she has one just like it-blue Hyundai-I saw him driving it,” said Menard.

[SewingDeb]

Thanks Golfmom! Very interesting.

[SuziQ]

That doesn't mean they are truthful answers and it doesn't seem like the sheriff's office is clearing her of any involvement.

Her answers will hang her as they compare them with evidence. I remember the same thing being said about Amanda Smith. She gave an answer to every question asked and that she was cooperating. It took 4 months to arrest her.

[SeriouslySearching]

Sewing Deb, another interesting quote from the neighbor:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:mt9VlbPWPqAJ:www.cwenc.com/news/+%22Wanda+Alander%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

"He said something about he was supposed to plant some flowers or something,” said one of Laurean’s direct neighbors, Wanda Alander.
"The car that they found...they found it backed up right where the Christmas tree and the trash can is because when I came home from work one day I thought it was my ex's car because she has one just like it-blue Hyundai-I saw him driving it,” said Menard.That is interesting as it quotes 3 of his neighbors! Menard, Wilson, and Alander. All pieces to the puzzle coming together implicates both the husband and the wife, if you ask me!

[SewingDeb]

Did y'all know a divining rod was used to find the grave?

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-01-12-0002.html

[SewingDeb]

It sure does, SS. I wonder if all of her help was after the fact or if she actively participated in the murder.

[dimples37398]

I just watched the interview with Christina's parents and

she talked to him before he left it says? So he just left the letter for her to give to the LE so that she isnt implicated?(to clear her). The mom of Christina said she wasnt going to answer something the reporter asked....did anyone catch what it was she didnt want to answer?


Anyways Christina's dad said she was at work when it took place right? IMO LE should verify that, and if she left early. For him to do what he did and clean, then hide her body, and paint or whatever else he had to do....surely she would have been home by then.

This case sure does feel like a female/jealousy rage-crime....I hope for their daughters sake that I am wrong, but it will all come out in the end.

A photo of POS with wife(her face is blurred out) this photo was shown when they interviewed her parents.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/POSPHOTO.jpg

Kel

[KOOL LOOK]

WAIT...he said that Christina needed to confess and repent?!?!?!


No baby, me did, me did. I'm sorry if I misled anyone, my baddddddd

Forgive me, and I agree, brown stepping back does hurt our sleuthing.

[FlowerChild]

I have to give Sheriff Brown a break here. This isn't a big city and I doubt Brown has EVER had a case where he was on TV every day and night - and certainly not NATIONAL TV. He is reportedly very good at his job and a painfully honest person supporting crime victims - those things make him a good Sheriff - I doubt his "media" persona was considered by the people who elected him - but his record of putting bad guys in jail and getting justice for victims certainly was.

He is feeling heat - because even here we are saying that Maria's death was preventable. ALL he said is that HE (or his office) could NOT have prevented Maria's death - she was dead before his office knew she existed! At least because of his office Maria and Gabriel are NOT still buried in POS's backyard.

Sheriff Brown is not a "media" person and he is smart to get a PR Rep in there to handle the press and media. HE needs to spend his time being an INVESTIGATOR and finding POS - and questioning Christina - and developing HARD EVIDENCE of exactly what happened and WHO was involved. And there ARE OTHER CASES for him - Maria is only ONE CASE.

Brown did one thing I was happy about - he threw threw the stone of "fault" right back to the base and it's CO. The BASE could have prevented Maria's death! Their way of handling her "incident" from April till Dec 14th got Maria and her baby DEAD! And this was not just a vague allegation - Maria was PREGNANT! And the CO KNEW NOTHING until Sheriff Brown started digging around - the CO didn't even know Maria was AWOL for 4 days - a pregnant officer about to give birth - did ANYONE even look for her when she didn't show up for 4 DAYS??? What if she had given birth at home or gotten very ill or had an accident and driven off the road and been lying hurt somewhere IN HER CAR (which we know was in POS's driveway? No-one even LOOKED FOR HER for 4 days OR later, questioned CL's "story" about her "taking off to El Paso". WHY OH WHY was CL still allowed to be her SUPERVISOR???

The base CO didn't know Maria existed until after she was DEAD and his ignorance and the actions (or non actions) of the men UNDER the CO for 9 months got Maria and Gabriel incinerated like trash and left in a cold lonely grave in CL's back yard. Maria was being a "good soldier" and trying to endure and get thru a really bad situation while pregnant and "soldier up" like a "man". And what did that get her? DEAD!!! and even worse - forgotten by everyone who could have helped her - or at LEAST found her body and gotten the POS into jail before he could RUN. Maria was less than trash to the military - she was invisible and expendable and not even worth the effort to find when she disappeared without warning. And not a single person in command questioned POS's STORY for 25 days - and until pressure from Sheriff Brown MADE THEM.

The MILITARY got Maria killed and the only reason we KNOW they did - and it isn't being buried and forgotten (like Maria and Gabriel)- is because Sheriff Brown is telling us. The picture he is painting is ugly and he does have to work with the base again in the future so he is backing off a little now - but at least we KNOW.

It's up to US to make sure this CANNOT happen again to ANY WOMAN - ANYWHERE IN OUR MILITARY.

My Opinion

[KOOL LOOK]

CNN back on again.

Transport her body back to OH for burial.

They cut back away again! Grrr..

Yes, I will miss Brown.

I did not hear Brown say anyone needs to confess etc., I think that was KL's commentary after the fact. lol Brown probably would like to say that though!

Your right Taxi, I couldn't get back on here. You can go ahead and call it what it is, KOOL LOOK Speak. :rolleyes: I'm obvious aren't I, with my outspoken language. Sorry if anyone got confused, it's my fault.

[Pharlap]

Did y'all know a divining rod was used to find the grave?

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-01-12-0002.html


Interesting. Does the rod move when your using it(the hanger)?

And with the sheriff getting heat. He is correct, couldn't prevent the murder but maybe could of arrested the guy sooner.

[Taximom]

Did y'all know a divining rod was used to find the grave?

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-01-12-0002.html

Uh. OK. lol

I'm not sure why they would have had a difficult time finding where to dig since the ground had obviously been turned, and nothing much would have grown over it. :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow! It surprises me he would come out with that! Some Psychics/Mediums/Spiritualists use divining rods all the time. Usually, there are two rods and they will cross.

VERY interesting!!! Not sure how you would use just one, but my guess is that it would stop over the area instead of going back and forth.

[Pharlap]

Uh. OK. lol

I'm not sure why they would have had a difficult time finding where to dig since the ground had obviously been turned, and nothing much would have grown over it. :confused:

My first thought also....
What do you think Nancy G will say about this......

[Taximom]

Your right Taxi, I couldn't get back on here. You can go ahead and call it what it is, KOOL LOOK Speak. :rolleyes: I'm obvious aren't I, with my outspoken language. Sorry if anyone got confused, it's my fault.

The best part is we probably all could "hear" Brown saying something like that, you know?

I truly think he did the best he could under the circumstances. This is probably the 1st case he's ever had with this amount of media/public interest. While he might have hurt (MIGHT) the case with a statement here and there, I certainly appreciated the help he gave us. :crazy: At least he didn't come out and say "This is a slam-dunk case." !!

[STEADFAST]

The best part is we probably all could "hear" Brown saying something like that, you know?

I truly think he did the best he could under the circumstances. This is probably the 1st case he's ever had with this amount of media/public interest. While he might have hurt (MIGHT) the case with a statement here and there, I certainly appreciated the help he gave us. :crazy: At least he didn't come out and say "This is a slam-dunk case." !!

That's what made me think he said it; it sounded exactly like him! One thing that I'm sure of, he will go after anyone who is involved in this.

[KOOL LOOK]

The best part is we probably all could "hear" Brown saying something like that, you know?

I truly think he did the best he could under the circumstances. This is probably the 1st case he's ever had with this amount of media/public interest. While he might have hurt (MIGHT) the case with a statement here and there, I certainly appreciated the help he gave us. :crazy: At least he didn't come out and say "This is a slam-dunk case." !!

Your causing me to go on a mental journey. Ha ha, KOOL LOOK BROWN? Oh nooooooooo, lol. I really didn't realize the trip I sent all you on for about an hour, snicker, while ya'll were trippin, I was hanging out clothes, cooking dinner, blah blah blah.

It's so nice I was this popular while I was gone? :crazy: Oh no, my hubby just called, his boss and he are coming for lunch, let me go finish.

Spaghetti with linguini, corn on the cob, pepperoni garlic cheese bread, tea and cake. :) brb

[Taximom]

Kool Look, you are cracking me up and making me hungry!

[KOOL LOOK]

That's what made me think he said it; it sounded exactly like him! One thing that I'm sure of, he will go after anyone who is involved in this.


All right now, are ya'll tryn to say I'm kin to Brown? Well I live in south carolina, and it ain't far from me. I'm just an ole country gal who loves righteous justice. BRB gotta go do the kitchen thangy.

[SewingDeb]

Interesting. Does the rod move when your using it(the hanger)?

And with the sheriff getting heat. He is correct, couldn't prevent the murder but maybe could of arrested the guy sooner.

It must move. Maybe all searchers should carry one with them.

[JinxieJada]

Any question asked of Christina, she has provided an answer for.


Lol NOT OURS!!!

[Camper]

I have missed a bunch of reading, but all in all pretty much UP on the BIG PICTURE.

I do think that IF IF anyone is tracking Christina closely with the HOPE of her leading LE to CPL POS, it will be Sheriff Brown and his men. We certainly can note that the military is not keeping America informed on the major disgrace. Isn't the motto of the Marines, "Be Prepared"? Help me out on that.

I tried to post this in the wee hours but 'server busy'. So here is my thinking around 3 AM today.

"HOW in the name of heaven IF IF Mrs. POS saw ALL OF THE blood on ceiling etc., could she ever BELIEVE Maria slit her own throat. Dr. Baden said it would be impossible on autopsy to determine whether she slit her own throat, or that anyone else did for that matter.

I do believe that Cpl POS headed directly for a very close friend or relative. I also thought the reward offered is way to low to get action from his friends. What friend would turn him in for the reward ?, when the possibility exists that they would be charged with harboring a murder suspect?

I would suspect any friend of his that KNOWS where he is would be mentally unknowing about what involvement LEGALLY that they would have in just telling where he is.

Killing someone else then trying to cover up his involvement indicates to me that Cpl will be found alive, he is probably too chicken to take his own life.

The entire matter has been treated with carelessness by the Military base hierarchy from the very beginning."

I missed the press conference this morning. Link?

[b]I do also think that this murder may in fact have been premeditated, the paint is a crock. No one that has good sense, imop, plans major painting in the home so close to Christmas. Wonder when the paint was purchased??[b]

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[SeriouslySearching]

2. Bent Wire Rod (L-Rod)
http://www.fengshuinetwork.net/topics/dowsing_divination/dowser5.gif
This is another common type of rod, probably the best type for Qi dowsing inside a house as this smaller, less conspicuous rod may be used without interference from wind and is more manoeuvrable inside. Made from any type of metal, some Dowsers swear by the copper rods, others prefer sprung steel, some don’t have a preferred type and can dowse using a piece of old fencing wire or coat-hanger.
The single L-Wire may be used in either the right or left hand, gripped loosely and held in place by the thumb. Sometimes the ‘handle’ of the rod may rest lightly on the little finger.
The L-Wire is very versatile, not only providing the same information as a U-wire (#4) but also acting as a direction pointer, a bit like the way a gun dog points to game. When this wire encounters an emanation from an underground object such as a stream, pipe, wire or reef, it moves sideways, indicating the presence of the underground object.
When ascertaining the direction of an energy line, the single rod is most efficient even if double rods are used. Once the line is located, the single rod will move to 90° or the double rods will cross over. If using the double rods, relax one hand to the side of the body whilst the other hand-held rod remains over the line. The rod will swing to point towards the direction of the flow of energy. It may then be followed ‘downstream’.

http://www.fengshuinetwork.net/topics/dowsing_divination/dowsers_tools_&_techniques_by_jodi_brunner.htm

[Littledeer]

Bumping up Timeline and Other Known Facts:

Please add other known facts and bring forward. Possibly this should be arranged by date. Once anyone adds further information I'll will do that if it's okay with everone.

POS: Cesar Armando Laurean
DOB: 11/13/86 (Age 21) Born in Mexico

Wife: Christina Smith Laurean
DOB: 7/21/83 (Age 24)

Marriage Date: 8/13/05
One Daugher, Age 18 mos.

Maria filed rape charges against POS in April -
Maria is pregnant with POS baby (we assume) due Jan 8th
Maria had THREE protective orders against POS
Maria talks to Mom on Dec 14th - last known contact with Maria
Maria goes AWOL on Dec 15th (and is killed on Dec 14th or 15th in POS's house per evidence and LE timeline)
Maria's Mother reports her missing to Sheriff Dec 19th
Maria's CAR is OPENLY parked at POS's house for almost a week - including on Dec 19th
Maria's cell phone is located on the base Dec 20th and money withdrawn from her account twice AFTER Dec 15th - plus money wired by Western Union
Maria's car found at Bus station and a bus ticket was reportedly purchased by Maria to El Paso on 14th (or 15th)
POS burns body in yard and buries the remains Dec 19th or 20th?
POS and wife start repainting walls in the house - Date unknown?
Barbecue Party held (Dec. 24th) ?
January 8th: Maria and Gabriel's remains are found in backyard
POS takes off from work on January 10th (Thursday) and January 11th (Friday)
POS is seen last seen by neighbor at 6:30 A.M. on January 11th
POS at large since then.

[golfmom]

Semper Fi

Always Faithful

[Pharlap]

Anyone have a link to the conference?
I can't seem to find the one of today.....
Might me just me, more coffee needed...:waitasec:

[Taximom]

LOL about the divining rod. I can see it now. We WSer's will have to explain why we are taking hangers with us on our daily walk.

[SuziQ]

I just watched the interview with Christina's parents and

she talked to him before he left it says? So he just left the letter for her to give to the LE so that she isnt implicated?(to clear her). The mom of Christina said she wasnt going to answer something the reporter asked....did anyone catch what it was she didnt want to answer?


Anyways Christina's dad said she was at work when it took place right? IMO LE should verify that, and if she left early. For him to do what he did and clean, then hide her body, and paint or whatever else he had to do....surely she would have been home by then.

This case sure does feel like a female/jealousy rage-crime....I hope for their daughters sake that I am wrong, but it will all come out in the end.

A photo of POS with wife(her face is blurred out) this photo was shown when they interviewed her parents.

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/POSPHOTO.jpg

Kel

Yup, even blurred out it looks like she could have passed for Maria. Funny how men like certain types. All his interests have probably looked similar.

[rccook555]

Bumping up Timeline and Other Known Facts:

Please add other known facts and bring forward. Possibly this should be arranged by date. Once anyone adds further information I'll will do that if it's okay with everone.

POS: Cesar Armando Laurean
DOB: 11/13/86 (Age 21) Born in Mexico

Wife: Christina Smith Laurean
DOB: 7/21/83 (Age 24)

Marriage Date: 8/13/05
One Daugher, Age 18 mos.

Maria filed rape charges against POS in April -
Maria is pregnant with POS baby (we assume) due Jan 8th
Maria had THREE protective orders against POS
Maria talks to Mom on Dec 14th - last known contact with Maria
Maria goes AWOL on Dec 15th (and is killed on Dec 14th or 15th in POS's house per evidence and LE timeline)
Maria's Mother reports her missing to Sheriff Dec 19th
Maria's CAR is OPENLY parked at POS's house for almost a week - including on Dec 19th
Maria's cell phone is located on the base Dec 20th and money withdrawn from her account twice AFTER Dec 15th - plus money wired by Western Union
Maria's car found at Bus station and a bus ticket was reportedly purchased by Maria to El Paso on 14th (or 15th)
POS burns body in yard and buries the remains Dec 19th or 20th?
POS and wife start repainting walls in the house - Date unknown?
Barbecue Party held (Dec. 24th) ?
January 8th: Maria and Gabriel's remains are found in backyard
POS takes off from work on January 10th (Thursday) and January 11th (Friday)
POS is seen last seen by neighbor at 6:30 A.M. on January 11th
POS at large since then.

Thank you Littledeer!! :blowkiss:

[Littledeer]

Suzi:

even blurred out it looks like she could have passed for Maria

How do you see any resemblance? Different hair coloring and Christina looks on the heavy side. Maria was a blonde and thinner. Also, Christina has bushier eyebrows than Maria. IMO

[SuziQ]

LOL about the divining rod. I can see it now. We WSer's will have to explain why we are taking hangers with us on our daily walk.

Stacy Peterson comes to mind. I think I'm going to print up that info and give it to my son and his friends. What a great experemint for them!

[Pharlap]

LOL about the divining rod. I can see it now. We WSer's will have to explain why we are taking hangers with us on our daily walk.

:clap::crazy:

btw can they work in water too, or only land.....

[Txlurker]

Have they found his truck yet?

[Littledeer]

Your welcome rccook.

As I said, please add what you know. I know we have the names of the parents somewhere.

I'm sure there are other facts that have been gleaned from interviews, videos, etc. that I have not addressed yet. When I get a chance, I'll try reviewing the threads again. (which reminds me) We need to get those threads here or at least definately when the next new thread is opened.

[rccook555]

Your welcome rccook.

As I said, please add what you know. I know we have the names of the parents somewhere.

I'm sure there are other facts that have been gleaned from interviews, videos, etc. that I have not addressed yet. When I get a chance, I'll try reviewing the threads again. (which reminds me) We need to get those threads here or at least definately when the next new thread is opened.

His parents names are Salvador and Elvira

[JDB]

Suzi:



How do you see any resemblance? Different hair coloring and Christina looks on the heavy side. Maria was a blonde and thinner. Also, Christina has bushier eyebrows than Maria. IMO

Along with the fact Christina is way longer

[SewingDeb]

:clap::crazy:

btw can they work in water too, or only land.....

I think the kind the Sheriff was using would only work on land since it "finds" spaces.

[Littledeer]

rc:

Thanks. Got that written down. Will add once more information is received. Don't want to have to keep bringing it forward every two or three posts! LOL

This when a "forum" comes in real handy!!!! :):) And if Cesar maintains his status quo for much longer, we might be able to get a forum. :)

[Pharlap]

Along with the fact Christina is way longer

Wig, makeup, and extra clothing....

[rccook555]

Suzi:



How do you see any resemblance? Different hair coloring and Christina looks on the heavy side. Maria was a blonde and thinner. Also, Christina has bushier eyebrows than Maria. IMO

That picture doesnt look quite right. It shows the top of her hair a very dark brown but yet there is long blonde hair coming down the side across his shoulder. Could that just be one long blonde streak and the rest brown you think?

[FlowerChild]

I have missed a bunch of reading, but all in all pretty much UP on the BIG PICTURE.

I do think that IF IF anyone is tracking Christina closely with the HOPE of her leading LE to CPL POS, it will be Sheriff Brown and his men. We certainly can note that the military is not keeping America informed on the major disgrace. Isn't the motto of the Marines, "Be Prepared"? Help me out on that.

I tried to post this in the wee hours but 'server busy'. So here is my thinking around 3 AM today.

"HOW in the name of heaven IF IF Mrs. POS saw ALL OF THE blood on ceiling etc., could she ever BELIEVE Maria slit her own throat. Dr. Baden said it would be impossible on autopsy to determine whether she slit her own throat, or that anyone else did for that matter.

I do believe that Cpl POS headed directly for a very close friend or relative. I also thought the reward offered is way to low to get action from his friends. What friend would turn him in for the reward ?, when the possibility exists that they would be charged with harboring a murder suspect?

I would suspect any friend of his that KNOWS where he is would be mentally unknowing about what involvement LEGALLY that they would have in just telling where he is.

Killing someone else then trying to cover up his involvement indicates to me that Cpl will be found alive, he is probably too chicken to take his own life.

The entire matter has been treated with carelessness by the Military base hierarchy from the very beginning."

I missed the press conference this morning. Link?

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The reward is small in the US, but it's HUGE in MEXICO or to an immigrant. I think they know (or strongly suspect) POS is in either in Mexico or hiding out in the closed illegal immigrant community in the SW and TX - and the reward is geared toward that scenario - thus the emphasis on "Earthwide" in the reward announcement - to make it clear it's payable to anyone ANYWHERE, not just US citizens or those living in the US.

And one of the billboards is going IN Las Vegas, where POS's family lives. If anyone there knows his family or friends here or in Mexico the people in Las Vegas will get the information to them about the reward - they are trying to spread the word thru "back channels" all the way into Mexico and thru the immigrant community in the US. I think POS is hiding out in the Hispanic community OR in Mexico - protection and silence is a way of life for many of those communities here AND for small towns in Mexico. LE is NOT to be trusted in EITHER place.

My Opinion

[golfmom]

That picture doesnt look quite right. It shows the top of her hair a very dark brown but yet there is long blonde hair coming down the side across his shoulder. Could that just be one long blonde streak and the rest brown you think?

I thought it was a dye job that was grown out.

[golfmom]

His parents Salvador Sanchez-Laurean and Elvira Ramirez de Laurean are both Mexican immigrants as well who purchased a home in Las Vegas in 2002 and then sold the home in 2006.

[SuziQ]

Littledeer,
The bottom of Christinas Hair looks to be blonde, so she's died her hair before and she might have again. Do you know what color Christina's hair is right now? I don't see that much of a difference weight wise. How long ago was that pic taken? Remember, we have not see a pic of a pregnant Maria, she probaby gained weight. Look at the similar tilt of the heads in the pics. When I was doing a pic comparison I'm thinking about what the clerk at the bus station might have been seeing. In other words, it's not like Christina is a 300 pound black woman that could be ruled as purchasing the bus ticket...JMO.

Christina
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/POSPHOTO.jpg

Maria
http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/2294009/

[Rum Tum Tugger]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7621462&nav=168Y

His father-in-law says he's not the man he thought he was.

"I thought I knew him very well and this is quite surprising because I said I thought he was a man of character and it's obviously he's just a coward taking off on his family and leaving. This is just as a tragedy for both families. It's just a horrible vulgar act," said Bruce Shifflet, Laurean's father-in-law.

.....

Laurean's father-in-law says his daughter, Christina, spoke with him before he fled.

"He needed to go to the police and talk about, because he told her that he -- he said to her that Maria committed suicide and that he panicked and took the body and buried it out in the woods. That's when Christina said that he needs to go before the police, but he didn't. He took off," said Shifflet.


Hey all ... :)

I think a number of posters here may be misconstruing (or misunderstanding) the quote attributed to Christina's father, Bruce Shifflet.


The quote:

"Laurean's father-in-law says his daughter, Christina, spoke with him before he fled."

I do not think that Christina's father, meant that "he" (Shifflet) spoke with Christina before Cesar fled. Read the quote again.

The way I am reading this quote - he was saying that Christina spoke with "him" (her husband) before he fled. Big difference.

Rum Tum

[shdbepaintin]

The sheriffs office could not have prevented her death
but they sure could have prevented POS from getting away.
The first time Maria was reported missing POS should have
been on 24 hour survaliance (sp?)
and the Military should have been watching him too.
This guy should have never gotten out of the driveway
IMO

ETA: if I am missing something, please let me know. There has
been so much to read I could have missed how this would not
have been possible.

[Littledeer]

okay. I see the blonde now in Christina's pic. It appears that when the shading out was done on her face, it was also done on her hair too. ?

Tigger: In rereading Bruce's quote that you posted, I can see now that more than likely and your probably right, that he was saying that Christina spoke to Cesar before he fled.

I'm sure that Cesar would not have told his father in law what happened and asked for his advice. However, I do think Christina did and because of that discussion, she turned over the note, etc.

[panthera]

Good afternoon everyone! Forgive me if this has been posted already but I just ran across it ~

Maria died of blunt force trauma to the head

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22664008/

[FlowerChild]

We know that Maria was dead sometime on the 15th. POS had her ID and her DL and obviously her ATM card and her PIN and maybe her credit cards as well. How hard would it have been for Christina to put on some bulky clothes and a pillow under her shirt and hide most of her hair under a hat and go into the bus station with Maria's ID and buy a ticket to El Paso?? Clerks are busy and not trained to observe and it was almost a MONTH before the clerk was asked to ID the purchaser of the ticket - after Maria's face had been posted everywhere. I am sure the clerk THINKS it was Maria - her ID SAID IT WAS Maria, after all. I think it MUST have been Christina with Maria's ID. It sounds like POS or Christina called the CC company or Western Union and wired money from Maria's credit card to "Maria" and somebody HAD to pick that money up at Western Union with Maria's ID --- Christina again impersonating Maria?

It isn't hard to "be" someone else when you have access to their apartment, their car and their computer, their clothes, their ID and are of a similar height. Everything else can be "faked" long enough to fool a busy clerk - especially since DL and ID photos are universally AWFUL and outdated.

My Opinion

[golfmom]

Hey all ... :)

I think a number of posters here may be misconstruing (or misunderstanding) the quote attributed to Christina's father, Bruce Shifflet.


The quote:

"Laurean's father-in-law says his daughter, Christina, spoke with him before he fled."

I do not think that Christina's father, meant that "he" (Shifflet) spoke with Christina before Cesar fled. Read the quote again.

The way I am reading this quote - he was saying that Christina spoke with "him" (her husband) before he fled. Big difference.

Rum Tum

Rum Tum, I read it correctly that Christina's father was stating that SHE spoke to Laurean before he fled and asked that he turn himself in ...

My point is why didn't she go to the police right away?
Why did she wait until sometime AFTER she found the letter?

[JDB]

Littledeer,
The bottom of Christinas Hair looks to be blonde, so she's died her hair before and she might have again. Do you know what color Christina's hair is right now? I don't see that much of a difference weight wise. How long ago was that pic taken? Remember, we have not see a pic of a pregnant Maria, she probaby gained weight. Look at the similar tilt of the heads in the pics. When I was doing a pic comparison I'm thinking about what the clerk at the bus station might have been seeing. In other words, it's not like Christina is a 300 pound black woman that could be ruled as purchasing the bus ticket...JMO.

Christina
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/POSPHOTO.jpg

Maria
http://www.wral.com/news/local/image/2294009/

SuziQ That is not the most recent of Maria. Somewhere on the web there is a picture of her in her Marine uniform. Her hair is way shorter in that one.

[shdbepaintin]

We know that Maria was dead sometime on the 15th. POS had her ID and her DL and obviously her ATM card and her PIN and maybe her credit cards as well. How hard would it have been for Christina to put on some bulky clothes and a pillow under her shirt and hide most of her hair under a hat and go into the bus station with Maria's ID and buy a ticket to El Paso?? Clerks are busy and not trained to observe and it was almost a MONTH before the clerk was asked to ID the purchaser of the ticket - after Maria's face had been posted everywhere. I am sure the clerk THINKS it was Maria - her ID SAID IT WAS Maria, after all. I think it MUST have been Christina with Maria's ID. It sounds like POS or Christina called the CC company or Western Union and wired money from Maria's credit card to "Maria" and somebody HAD to pick that money up at Western Union with Maria's ID --- Christina again impersonating Maria?

It isn't hard to "be" someone else when you have access to their apartment, their car and their computer, their clothes, their ID and are of a similar height. Everything else can be "faked" long enough to fool a busy clerk - especially since DL and ID photos are universally AWFUL and outdated.

My Opinion
I believe this is exactly what will come out eventually as what
took place.
Some things just have to make "sense" and this makes sense.

[FlowerChild]

The sheriffs office could not have prevented her death
but they sure could have prevented POS from getting away.
The first time Maria was reported missing POS should have
been on 24 hour survaliance (sp?)
and the Military should have been watching him too.
This guy should have never gotten out of the driveway
IMO

ETA: if I am missing something, please let me know. There has
been so much to read I could have missed how this would not
have been possible.

Unfortunate - but the Sheriff's Dept was NOT given POS's name as a POI until right before he split. They didn't KNOW POS existed because the military did not give them the info about the "incident" or POS's involvement in the "incident" until they were FORCED to - AFTER the Holidays.

The MILITARY could have put POS under watch, but they did not - because POS and Maria were "friendly". I would LOVE TO KNOW where they got the idea that Maria and her rapist/baby-daddy were "friendly" since she had gotten not ONE but THREE restraining orders against him.

Again, the hands of the Sheriff's Dept were tied BY THE CO and the Military. The way they treated Maria's disappearance was borderline CRIMINAL OBSTRUCTION, IMO.

My Opinion

[SuziQ]

SuziQ That is not the most recent of Maria. Somewhere on the web there is a picture of her in her Marine uniform. Her hair is way shorter in that one.

I did say that we don't have a current pic, of a pregnant Maria or Christina.

Lol, let me reword that. We need a more current pic of both Maria and Christina. Sorry!

[JDB]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322473,00.html

[panthera]

We know that Maria was dead sometime on the 15th. POS had her ID and her DL and obviously her ATM card and her PIN and maybe her credit cards as well. How hard would it have been for Christina to put on some bulky clothes and a pillow under her shirt and hide most of her hair under a hat and go into the bus station with Maria's ID and buy a ticket to El Paso?? Clerks are busy and not trained to observe and it was almost a MONTH before the clerk was asked to ID the purchaser of the ticket - after Maria's face had been posted everywhere. I am sure the clerk THINKS it was Maria - her ID SAID IT WAS Maria, after all. I think it MUST have been Christina with Maria's ID. It sounds like POS or Christina called the CC company or Western Union and wired money from Maria's credit card to "Maria" and somebody HAD to pick that money up at Western Union with Maria's ID --- Christina again impersonating Maria?

It isn't hard to "be" someone else when you have access to their apartment, their car and their computer, their clothes, their ID and are of a similar height. Everything else can be "faked" long enough to fool a busy clerk - especially since DL and ID photos are universally AWFUL and outdated.

My Opinion
This is exactly what I've been thinking all along! :) Another thing too, is she could've been wearing Maria's uniform (the camo shirt with her name on it) and hat.

[golfmom]

I just find it crazy that Laurean was confident enough to bring Maria into his HOME and murder her. Would ya'll not notice if your husband started painting and gardening? Wouldn't you notice a strange car in your driveway?

I just feel that Christina knew all along what happened and helped her husband.

[panthera]

I just find it crazy that Laurean was confident enough to bring Maria into his HOME and murder her. Would ya'll not notice if your husband started painting and gardening? Wouldn't you notice a strange car in your driveway?

I just feel that Christina knew all along what happened and helped her husband.
That is one of the mysteries here. Of all the places to kill her and dispose of her body, it's at his house and his back yard. I really would like to know if Maria, for some reason unknown to us, just showed up there and an argument ensued which led to her death? He had a lot of motive to want her dead, but it just seems odd it would be done in his house.

[Mygirlsadie]

B.I.N.G.O & Bingo was his name O... :crazy:



He will be more shocked if he finds his daughter isn't the person he thinks she is...if she has been lying about her involvement.

[Pharlap]

I just find it crazy that Laurean was confident enough to bring Maria into his HOME and murder her. Would ya'll not notice if your husband started painting and gardening? Wouldn't you notice a strange car in your driveway?

I just feel that Christina knew all along what happened and helped her husband.


Do people really do gardening in dec there? From up north here so I have no clue...
Can you garden year round there?
Potatoes and other underground plants are planted, pruning are done in March,April up here.
OTT, my dad did all the gardening in my family when I grew up. Mom didn't and wouldn't touch anything outside. wied.

[SuziQ]

That is one of the mysteries here. Of all the places to kill her and dispose of her body, it's at his house and his back yard. I really would like to know if Maria, for some reason unknown to us, just showed up there and an argument ensued which led to her death? He had a lot of motive to want her dead, but it just seems odd it would be done in his house.

That struck me as odd as well. And then to have a BBQ practically on top of her grave. But then I remember this is the same person(s)that kept Maria's car in their driveway and drove it around even. That's what I can't figure out.

[panthera]

Do people really do gardening in dec there? From up north here so I have no clue...
From the photos I've seen the back yard seemed kind of barren.

[FlowerChild]

I just find it crazy that Laurean was confident enough to bring Maria into his HOME and murder her. Would ya'll not notice if your husband started painting and gardening? Wouldn't you notice a strange car in your driveway?

I just feel that Christina knew all along what happened and helped her husband.

COD, blunt force trauma to the head!
So did Maria commit suicide by hitting herself over the head? Or banging her head into the wall? Or are we supposed to believe she slit her own throat and THEN hit her head so hard it crushed her skull?

POS killed her by hitting her on the head hard and more than once - starting in the house and them maybe Maria ran for a short distance to the garage - and POS is still hitting her - spreading blood on the wall and ceiling in the process. Maria didn't slit her throat and POS didn't slit it either. He just made that up because Maria's blood was everywhere and he didn't expect THAT (too much CSI maybe?). He was probably in a rage and when he looked around after she was dead he was like "holy cr*p, there's blood everywhere" - how do I explain THAT and still look innocent??

Ugh, I really pray she was gone fast.

My Opinion

[panthera]

That struck me as odd as well. And then to have a BBQ practically on top of her grave. But then I remember this is the same person(s)that kept Maria's car in their driveway and drove it around even. That's what I can't figure out.
Glad I'm not the only one who can't figure it out! There's woods nearby and so many other places.

[philamena]

I just find it crazy that Laurean was confident enough to bring Maria into his HOME and murder her. Would ya'll not notice if your husband started painting and gardening? Wouldn't you notice a strange car in your driveway?

I just feel that Christina knew all along what happened and helped her husband.
golfmom,
Excellent questions that I have to admit made me laugh, because there is no way my husband would start painting and gardening on his own. No way he'd begin that without me bugging him about it. :)

You raised a very good point.
I have a hard time believing Christina didn't know what was going on.

What made Maria go to the pos house????

[Littledeer]

There were quite a few warm days in December, even here in Ohio. Guess, the planting of flowers would in his mind, explain the change in sod from digging her grave if anyone asked about it. He probably knew he was living next door to a "nosy" neighbor.

Which really doesn't make any sense that he would bring Maria's car home and park it in his driveway!! Why didn't this neighbor find that odd and question either him, her husband or even Christina about that??

Has it been mentioned how far away they lived from base? How about Maria??

[Mygirlsadie]

I bet there will be other women coming forward to say they had affairs with Laurean..he has the slimy cheater look about him. Even by the blurred out picture it looks to me that Christina is a big ol' girl she was probably no match for a very very pregnant Maria. Take her size and her jealousy of Maria & she was Christina's biggest threat. This is all just my opinion of course...

[Mygirlsadie]

I'm going to say something that is probaby gonna make a few mad but here goes anyway... I think Maria went over his house willingly and I think she went because POS asked her to come over..I think he lured her over there under the false assumption that he wanted to be a part of his baby's life & maybe even a part of hers.




golfmom,
Excellent questions that I have to admit made me laugh, because there is no way my husband would start painting and gardening on his own. No way he'd begin that without me bugging him about it. :)

You raised a very good point.
I have a hard time believing Christina didn't know what was going on.

What made Maria go to the pos house????

[FlowerChild]

Glad I'm not the only one who can't figure it out! There's woods nearby and so many other places.

One or both of them are control freaks - and as long as you keep everything near - you are "in control"...and you know when the "jig is up" so to speak. And they wanted everyone to believe Maria took off to El PAso - and was NOT dead. They didn't WANT her body found by searchers - and it wouldn't be i