Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #7

[chicoliving]

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[JDB]

Thnaks CHICO How about Maria's own Forum????? Check PM

[Taximom]

Thank you, Chico! :blowkiss:

[Jaded]

Morrisville, NC is 142 mi – about 2 hours 40 mins from CLNC.

[Littledeer]

chico:

dang it. that's twice you've closed a thread on me while I'm typing with no forewarning!!! LOL

Also,
How the hell does WS expect me towait 60 seconds when I type fast?????

sheesh!!

sharpening antlers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mygirlsadie]

Oh dear God...they are impressed and satisfied they say! Ugh! Why can't they say we are deeply sad and sickened that Maria Lauterbach and her baby was brutally murdered? No...they say we are saddened by the loss of a marine. I should not of watched this... :mad:

[Taximom]

Well, that's over.

[golfmom]

chico:

dang it. that's twice you've closed a thread on me while I'm typing with no forewarning!!! LOL

Also,
How the hell does WS expect that can type fast to wait 60 seconds?????

sheesh!!

sharpening antlers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That 60 second deal is a bear when your trying to update fellow sleuthers on a press conference.

[Littledeer]

JDB:

Got the dates now? The marines are tyring to cover their asses just like they did in Tilman's fiasco in Iraq. Can't be looking bad, how would they get new recruits???

[Taximom]

mygirlsadie, someone on the last thread was looking for the pics of Laurean you posted twice today. Can you repost the link again? TIA!

[JDB]

JDB:

Got the dates now? The marines are tyring to cover their asses just like they did in Tilman's fiasco in Iraq. Can't be looking bad, how would they get new recruits???

I had the dates Check PM

[golfmom]

Oh dear God...they are impressed and satisfied they say! Ugh! Why can't they say we are deeply sad and sickened that Maria Lauterbach and her baby was brutally murdered? No...they say we are saddened by the loss of a marine. I should not of watched this... :mad:

Seriously, they said they are impressed and satisfied with themselves. Please tell me that's sarcasm. :eek:

[peace9274]

Morrisville, NC is 142 mi – about 2 hours 40 mins from CLNC.

Thank you, Jaded. :blowkiss:

I think I heard it was found at a Microtel, but that employee(s) hadn't seen him there. I wonder if someone checked in for him.

The Hotel is close to an airport, too. Wonder if someone bought him an airplane ticket. These guys could look alike when in their uniforms and military haircuts.

[Taximom]

No. That was what they said, golfmom.

[Mygirlsadie]

Sure, I wanted to reply also to someone asking me about his myspace page. I was not able to figure out how to hack into that (yet) hehe..so far I just got into his pictures. Here is the link... http://lads.myspace.com/slides/photoslider.swf?u=280188354



mygirlsadie, someone on the last thread was looking for the pics of Laurean you posted twice today. Can you repost the link again? TIA!

[golfmom]

No. That was what they said, golfmom.

If they're impressed and satisfied with themselves, I think we should go to the source and find out how impressed and satisfied their wives/partners are. Obviously we have a whole different definition of impressive and satisfying.

[Littledeer]

okay, I missed everything on the truck. What happened with that??? Was anything found inside??

[Mygirlsadie]

Now I have one question for all of us here at WS...Why aren't all of us in LE of some kind?

[Littledeer]

How many of us GAGGED when he said Laurean was a "stellar" Marine????

I guess "stellar" and "killer" will now go hand in hand in the Marine jargon? LOL

[Taximom]

mygirl, I was thinking the same thing. If only some of you guys were in charge of either investigation...well, the murder might not have happened. :(

[Littledeer]

Here's some great news for those who can't stand me. I'm leaving.

Going to Riley Ann's calling hours. Be back later.

Carry on....................................

[peace9274]

Where ever he is, I imagine he's in some sort of disguise.

[Taximom]

Littledeer, I wish you would have reminded me about Riley Ann tonight. :( Is it over at 7?

[Seven]

How many of us GAGGED when he said Laurean was a "stellar" Marine????

I guess "stellar" and "killer" will now go hand in hand in the Marine jargon? LOL

Exactly. He called Lauterbach a "solid" marine, then called Laurean a "stellar" marine.

That was the beginning of the CYA right there at the beginning of the press conference. How do you call the dead Marine "solid" and in the next breath call her apparent murderer (the one with her blood all over his living room walls) "stellar" ????????

[Ticamom]

The Marine's are doing major damage control IMO

What was with that Lt. Coronel's litle smile ? He shouldn't of been smiling so much. I was furious when he said we lost two marines.:furious: No, mister, you lost one loyal Marine in a horrific murder along with her innocent unborn baby. You didn't lose a Marine in Laurean, you lost a murdering rapist, that is not a Marine. He is an aborration. :furious:


I can't blieve they took that goodbye note at face value without analyzing the handwriting. Many 20 year old women have similar type handwriting. Are they 100 % sure Maria wrote it ? It could have been writiten by Xtina as part of the staging along with bus ticket and $ withdrawals. :mad: IMO they really screwed up big time but they will never admit it.

[nnglas]

ok you guys this press conference has really boggled my mind. So the first question I have is "who wrote the note?"

[Taximom]

:clap: :clap: :clap: The Marine's are doing major damage control IMO

What was with that Lt. Coronel's litle smile ? He shouldn't of been smiling so much. I was furious when he said we lost two marines.:furious: No, mister, you lost one loyal Marine in a horrific murder along with her innocent unborn baby. You didn't lose a Marine in Laurean, you lost a murdering rapist, that is not a Marine. He is an aborration. :furious:


I can't blieve they took that goodbye note at face value without analyzing the handwriting. Many 20 year old women have similar type handwriting. Are they 100 % sure Maria wrote it ? It could have been writiten by Xtina as part of the staging along with bus ticket and $ withdrawals. :mad: IMO they really screwed up big time but they will never admit it.

[Pharlap]

Cnn said that it was her positivity that took the 700.00 out.
Do we have a picture of that transaction that I may have over looked?

[Pharlap]

ok you guys this press conference has really boggled my mind. So the first question I have is "who wrote the note?"

Which note, the first one?
Was said they are not a hand writing expert, has to go to the lab for testing...
Which don't know if they sent it there yet. Wasn't stated.

Was thinking, the old saying, to many hands in the pie.
Everyone just passed the buck, referring to the marines..

[golfmom]

Cnn said that it was her positivity that took the 700.00 out.
Do we have a picture of that transaction that I may have over looked?

Or a picture of the POS overlooking Maria. :mad:

[calidreamin]

What was the date the money was taken out, was it the 14th?

[dimples37398]

I was wondering why this article states that her military id is what was found in the bushes in raleigh or whatever.

The cab driver in the article states that happens alot, fugitives using id's for the ticket purchase then disposing of the id they just used.

I can't find the first article I read it in, but here is another article I found that says her military id.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5890539

Kel

[Seven]

. . .
I can't blieve they took that goodbye note at face value without analyzing the handwriting. Many 20 year old women have similar type handwriting. Are they 100 % sure Maria wrote it ? It could have been writiten by Xtina as part of the staging along with bus ticket and $ withdrawals. :mad: IMO they really screwed up big time but they will never admit it.

The NCIS guy with the white hair stepped up to answer a similar question, stating that Lauterbach's housemate (Durham) had brought the note in to the office where she worked and told them that it "appeared to be" her handwriting.

I'm pretty sure Durham had only been living with Lauterbach for a brief time and was probably not very (if at all) familiar with her handwriting.

[MCDRAW]

Oh dear God...they are impressed and satisfied they say! Ugh! Why can't they say we are deeply sad and sickened that Maria Lauterbach and her baby was brutally murdered? No...they say we are saddened by the loss of a marine. I should not of watched this... :mad:


I'm wondering which marine they are talking about be sad over the loss of. The one run running around hiding or Maria. They didn't seem to care much for Maria before this.

[nnglas]

Due to the rape dates and the pregnancy dates, wouldn't it seem that they would have been having an affair? This case gets stranger and stranger. That however does put the spotlight back on the wife.

[Pharlap]

I was wondering why this article states that her military id is what was found in the bushes in raleigh or whatever.

The cab driver in the article states that happens alot, fugitives using id's for the ticket purchase then disposing of the id they just used.

I can't find the first article I read it in, but here is another article I found that says her military id.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5890539

Kel


Found on the grass by the buss station...who and why was it thrown away?
Maybe dropped?

[Mygirlsadie]

mcdraw they said both..:furious:



I'm wondering which marine they are talking about be sad over the loss of. The one run running around hiding or Maria. They didn't seem to care much for Maria before this.

[Ticamom]

Or a picture of the POS overlooking Maria. :mad:

I sure wish they would look for and release the ATM photos of the man trying to cover the camera with a rag. I wonder if Xtina would be visible in the recording. And if the Marines took it sa true that Maria was the one who withdrew the money, I should expect there to be a video of her to uphold their theory. I wonder if POS would be seen looking over her shoulder ?

[Mygirlsadie]

I have kind of thought that to be the case all along actually..please don't shoot me!




Due to the rape dates and the pregnancy dates, wouldn't it seem that they would have been having an affair? This case gets stranger and stranger. That however does put the spotlight back on the wife.

[kathyn2]

I wish the sheriff would talk more about this christina, the wife. Where was she when all this took place? Funny how no one will answer that? I find it highly suspcious she had no clue of anything until 4am in the morning (what was she doing up at that time finding a note?) Why are the reporters searching her out and asking her questions? They didn't let anyone alone in the scott peterson case! lol No one seems to talk to anyone regarding this case. You never see an interview with friends or neighbors or relatives or anything. How come no one knows if she had some sort of relationship with this guy? Did they have something going on on the side? There are always people that see these types of things. I wish we were doing the investigation instead of that sheriff. They don't seem to have a clue.

[MCDRAW]

Cnn said that it was her positivity that took the 700.00 out.
Do we have a picture of that transaction that I may have over looked?


My question is: Where did the $700.00 go? Where are her clothes that she apparently took with her?

[Seven]

Found on the grass by the buss station...who and why was it thrown away?
Maybe dropped?

Good question. Especially since the article says:

"Saturday while walking her dog across the street from the Durham Police Department, Mary found a military identification card with the name Frances Lauterbach, also known as Maria Frances Lauterbach."

Saturday was the 12th, and Laurean went missing on the 11th, didnt he? And we know Maria was already in the ground in Laurean's backyard by that time.

So that leaves Laurean and/or his wife.

[nnglas]

I call BS on this press conference. Certain things make absolutely no sense. If Marie told them what they said she did about the sexual incidences, one being pretty much consensual and the other he stopped when she told him to, why were they continuing to investigate a "rape" charge. Someone would have explained by now that what she was describing wasnt rape. Maybe a sexual harrassment charge but not rape. Also if Maria told them that the baby wasn't his because it wasn't the product of the rape, why would they be waiting to do DNA on the baby. Why would she let them do DNA on the baby if she told them it wasn't a product of rape? Also if Laurean was aware of what she was saying and the way she was saying it, what would have been his need to have 3 lawyers?

In my opinion the Marine Crop has to be lying and/or downplaying the rape in hindsight so as not to look responsible.

[Mygirlsadie]

In one of the articles on here Maria's uncle said that the baby was Laureans. Will they still be able to do dna on the baby?

[Seven]

I wish the sheriff would talk more about this christina, the wife. Where was she when all this took place? Funny how no one will answer that? I find it highly suspcious she had no clue of anything until 4am in the morning (what was she doing up at that time finding a note?) Why are the reporters searching her out and asking her questions? They didn't let anyone alone in the scott peterson case! lol No one seems to talk to anyone regarding this case. You never see an interview with friends or neighbors or relatives or anything. How come no one knows if she had some sort of relationship with this guy? Did they have something going on on the side? There are always people that see these types of things. I wish we were doing the investigation instead of that sheriff. They don't seem to have a clue.

I saw an interview last night on Greta (even tho she's out of town) with the nextdoor neighbor whose wife was told by Laurean's wife some time previously that she was helping her husband paint the walls of their home and garage.

Obviously, Christina discovered something the minute she saw the blood-covered walls (or evidence that the blood had been attempted to be cleaned off) of her home.

[MCDRAW]

mcdraw they said both..:furious:


My girl, I know I was being sarcastic.

[FlowerChild]

POS is STELLAR MARINE??????
While Maria was simply "solid"??

That's "good ol boy" for Semper Fi....cuz well, you know he had a kid and another on the way - what a man - stellar....except for that pesky murder and backyard burial "incident". I guess murder of a fellow Marine who was 9 mos pregnant with his baby followed by burning and burial in his backyard is stellar performance - especially if it follows an assault/rape "incident" ???

I'd like to hit that smirking Colonel in the head with something "solid" until his ears were ringing and he was seeing "stellar".

It's obvious that Maria got the brush off at every turn...and OF COURSE she not gonna say she was afraid of POS, it's not something a "steady" Marine would do. They pooh-pooh'd Maria and chalked her disappearance up to "hormones" and the assault up to her being dramatic and exaggerating - just like her Mother implied. Was Mom being coached by her hubby - Mr I say nothing career AF Dad?

The CO needs his butt kicked and that whole BASE needs new leadership - I suggest a WOMAN CO!

I was disgusted with the Marines and the CO BEFORE...now I am just plain angry - that presser just mostly made my BLOOD BOIL. The callousness and disrespect for Maria was evident...but POS came out looking STELLAR!!!

My Opinion

[paddy01]

My question is: Where did the $700.00 go? Where are her clothes that she apparently took with her?

Thank you, exactly where are her clothes? That's what I've been thinking, this 8 month pregnant woman taking off on a bus with absolutely nothing.
It's obvious POS didn't think of everything!

[jennyjwv]

maybe the wife parked the truck there?

[Pharlap]

My question is: Where did the $700.00 go? Where are her clothes that she apparently took with her?

Never thought about her clothes.
Not sure if her roommate can help if any are missing...a guy...

[Alice253]

:furious: I call BS on this press conference. Certain things make absolutely no sense. If Marie told them what they said she did about the sexual incidences, one being pretty much consensual and the other he stopped when she told him to, why were they continuing to investigate a "rape" charge. Someone would have explained by now that what she was describing wasnt rape. Maybe a sexual harrassment charge but not rape. Also if Maria told them that the baby wasn't his because it wasn't the product of the rape, why would they be waiting to do DNA on the baby. Why would she let them do DNA on the baby if she told them it wasn't a product of rape? Also if Laurean was aware of what she was saying and the way she was saying it, what would have been his need to have 3 lawyers?

In my opinion the Marine Crop has to be lying and/or downplaying the rape in hindsight so as not to look responsible.

EXACTLY!! That's what I've been thinking. They can say she said this, or she said that and who's going to challenge it? Maria isn't here to defend herself anymore. :furious:

[Mygirlsadie]

Oh ok..man you see my mind is messing up over here I can't think straight! I'm so irritated right now after watching that... To me they acted like they could of cared less about the murder of Maria & the baby..Not once did I notice a caring tone of voice or just anything.



My girl, I know I was being sarcastic.

[Seven]

:clap: :clap: :clap:
POS is STELLAR MARINE??????
While Maria was simply "solid"??

That's "good ol boy" for Semper Fi....cuz well, you know he had a kid and another on the way - what a man - stellar....except for that pesky murder and backyard burial "incident". I guess murder of a fellow Marine who was 9 mos pregnant with his baby followed by burning and burial in his backyard is stellar performance - especially if it follows an assault/rape "incident" ???

I'd like to hit that smirking Colonel in the head with something "solid" until his ears were ringing and he was seeing "stellar".

It's obvious that Maria got the brush off at every turn...and OF COURSE she not gonna say she was afraid of POS, it's not something a "steady" Marine would do. They pooh-pooh'd Maria and chalked her disappearance up to "hormones" and the assault up to her being dramatic and exaggerating - just like her Mother implied. Was Mom being coached by her hubby - Mr I say nothing career AF Dad?

The CO needs his butt kicked and that whole BASE needs new leadership - I suggest a WOMAN CO!

I was disgusted with the Marines and the CO BEFORE...now I am just plain angry - that presser just mostly made my BLOOD BOIL. The callousness and disrespect for Maria was evident...but POS came out looking STELLAR!!!

My Opinion

[Alice253]

POS is STELLAR MARINE??????
While Maria was simply "solid"??

That's "good ol boy" for Semper Fi....cuz well, you know he had a kid and another on the way - what a man - stellar....except for that pesky murder and backyard burial "incident". I guess murder of a fellow Marine who was 9 mos pregnant with his baby followed by burning and burial in his backyard is stellar performance - especially if it follows an assault/rape "incident" ???

I'd like to hit that smirking Colonel in the head with something "solid" until his ears were ringing and he was seeing "stellar".

It's obvious that Maria got the brush off at every turn...and OF COURSE she not gonna say she was afraid of POS, it's not something a "steady" Marine would do. They pooh-pooh'd Maria and chalked her disappearance up to "hormones" and the assault up to her being dramatic and exaggerating - just like her Mother implied. Was Mom being coached by her hubby - Mr I say nothing career AF Dad?

The CO needs his butt kicked and that whole BASE needs new leadership - I suggest a WOMAN CO!

I was disgusted with the Marines and the CO BEFORE...now I am just plain angry - that presser just mostly made my BLOOD BOIL. The callousness and disrespect for Maria was evident...but POS came out looking STELLAR!!!

My Opinion

FC, your whole post was "stellar" but LMAO at the bolded part! Can I help?

[JinxieJada]

I know this was posted in the other thread - but I feel it's important for those that maybe our guest who are just checking in here to see what's going on w/ the hunt for Maria & Gabrielle's killer.



This may have been announced in the presser, but posting it anyways for those of us that couldn't view it LOL

Came from FBI alerts that you sign up for...

http://charlotte.fbi.gov/pressrel/2008/ce011508.htm

Snip


FBI Announces Tipline, 1-800-CALLFBI, for Public to Call in Information on Cesar Armando Laurean

Charlotte, NC - The FBI, in conjunction with the Onslow County Sheriff's Office, the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation, the US Department of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Naval Criminal Investigative Service, and the US Marshals Service, announced a new tipline to assist in the search for Corporal Cesar Armando Laurean, USMC, a suspect in the homicide investigation of Lance Corporal Maria Lauterbach, USMC.



FBI Charlotte Special Agent in Charge Nathan T. Gray stated, "With Laurean on the run, the public's assistance is key to locating and apprehending Laurean to bring justice to the Lauterbach family. Anyone with information related to Laurean or his whereabouts should call 1-800-CALLFBI (1-800-225-5324)."


Tips regarding Laurean's whereabouts can also be submitted online at [www.fbi.gov] (http://www.fbi.gov%5d/). http://www.fbi.gov/
Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution - Murder
Cesar Armando Laurean
Aliases: Cesar Gudino, Cesar Sanchez, Cesar Armando Laurean Ramirez
DESCRIPTION
Date of Birth: 11/13/1986
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 160 pounds
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Black
Sex: Male
Race: White (Hispanic)
Nationality: U.S. Citizen (since 2003); Mexican National
NCIC Number: W653665176
Occupation: United States Marine Corps Corporal
Scars and Marks: Laurean has a tattoo of a skull on one of his upper arms and a tattoo of a black widow spider, including an hourglass on the spider's abdomen, on the other upper arm.
Remarks: Laurean is a United States Citizen and a United States Marine Corps Corporal currently assigned to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina.
Laurean may be driving a four-door 2004 Dodge Ram truck, black in color, displaying North Carolina license plate TRR1522. (Vehicle has been found)



Cesar Armando Laurean is wanted for his alleged involvement in the murder of 20-year-old Maria F. Lauterbach, who was pregnant at the time of her murder. Lauterbach was a United States Marine Corps Lance Corporal assigned to Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. She had been missing since December 14, 2007. The charred remains of Lauterbach and her unborn infant were recovered in a shallow grave in the backyard of Laurean's Jacksonville, North Carolina, residence.


A state arrest warrant was issued on January 12, 2008, in Onslow County, North Carolina, after Laurean was charged with murder. That same day, Laurean was charged federally with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution by the United States District Court, Eastern District of North Carolina, Wilmington, North Carolina, and a federal warrant was issued for his arrest.
http://charlotte.fbi.gov/pressrel/2008/images/laurean011508.jpg

CAUTION
SUSPECT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED ARMED AND DANGEROUS
REWARD
The FBI is offering a reward of up to $25,000 for information leading to the location and arrest of Cesar Armando Laurean.
IF YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION CONCERNING THIS PERSON, PLEASE CALL THE FBI TIPLINE, 1-800-CALLFBI, OR CONTACT YOUR LOCAL FBI OFFICE (http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm) OR THE NEAREST AMERICAN EMBASSY OR CONSULATE (http://www.fbi.gov/contact/legat/legat.htm).
Copies of the FBI Wanted Poster are available online at www.fbi.gov (http://www.fbi.gov/). To keep up with the latest developments, sign up for FBI email alerts online.




**Bolding about the vehicle being recovered/found is mine** The rest of the release is original in its entirety - Remember, if someone even THINKS they have seen him, no matter how remotely, please report it - that's what LE is there for, to weed through what is plausible and what is not - What one thinks may be "unimportant" could actually be the biggest break. One only has to look at Meredith to see how the smallest details can pull something together.

[Mygirlsadie]

Well goodnight everyone it's 1am here and I have to be up at 5:30 so I need some sleep I pray to God when I wake up Laurean has been caught!

[JinxieJada]

Well goodnight everyone it's 1am here and I have to be up at 5:30 so I need some sleep I pray to God when I wake up Laurean has been caught!

G'nite Sadie - Someone will send you a pm if he's caught while you're sleeping!

Sweet dreams darlin!

[Ticamom]

My hubby watched the Marine presser with me and commented that Maria had been a Marine for less time and was promoted to Lance Corporal fairly quickly, and yet the smirking Coronel only called her SOLID. Meanwhile POS had been a Marine longer, had only reached Corporal and yet he is considered STELLAR ....... WTF ????? Yes, the USMC is definitely a man's world.

[nnglas]

The more and more I think about the press conference the angrier I get. They said that the protective order was never violated. So how in God's name did they carry on a "friendly relationship"?

[ShannonOhara]

Im dissappointed in the marines and their comments and conduct, and my father was a Marine...a real one, not one of these guys.



More that anything im SAD.
Sad for this girl and her baby.
Was there no one in her life that would stand up for her.
She deserved a chance and so did the baby.


This man...was a cold blooded baby killer....and the military is turning a blind eye, he is scott peterson all over again...but worse

[calidreamin]

My hubby watched the Marine presser with me and commented that Maria had been a Marine for less time and was promoted to Lance Corporal fairly quickly, and yet the smirking Coronel only called her SOLID. Meanwhile POS had been a Marine longer, had only reached Corporal and yet he is considered STELLAR ....... WTF ????? Yes, the USMC is definitely a man's world.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: You said it perfectly Ticamom, the USMC is definatly a mans world, we have the proof right here.

[ember]

I think they were having an affair. And maybe the rape charges were done in vengance, like maybe she wanted him to leave his wife? Don't flame me, I'm just trying to think in all angles. Because someone dies a horrible death does not make them an angel when they were here on Earth. She was human...and there are alot of women and men out there that get involved with a married person, fall in love and do strange things....just saying. That would also explain the statement about that they continued to have a friendly relationship. Maybe that's why she changed her mind about the rape charges and changed them back again.

SO anyway, maybe she was going to leave. Hormones can do crazy things to a pregnant girl...epecially one (possibly) in love with a married man who won't leave his wife...he was a looker, sad to say. On her way out she decided to make wife aware of everthing. That's where wifey comes in....what do y'all think?

Also, I think he's gone on a flight. He didn't park that close to the airport for no reason. And who really knows how long he's been gone.

[SeekingJana]

As we said in the beginning, everyone in Maria's life failed her in life. They don't get a re-do now that she and baby Gabriel are long dead.
I don't care what the THs say. Bring the POS to justice and prosecute any accomplices.

RIP, sweet Maria and baby Gabriel.
:blowkiss:
Sad Maria

[Seven]

The more and more I think about the press conference the angrier I get. They said that the protective order was never violated. So how in God's name did they carry on a "friendly relationship"?

Excellent point, nnglas! :)

I'm pretty sure that the military guy reading the timeline didn't mention anything about that, but it was the white-haired NCIS guy in answer to a (planted shill?) question from the audience.

Also, did Timeline Marine say something about the Protective Order being expired as of late September and not renewed?

But wait a minute! I do remember Timeline Marine reading that, in answer to interview questions, Laurean said he had had NO (none, zero, nada, zilch) sexual encounters with Lauterbach at all. (IOW, he did not claim consentual sex and was saying her child had no chance whatsoever of being his.)

[ipswitch]

Sorry I didn't respond earlier when asked where my friend saw the truck. I had to run out to grab some medication for the kidlet...

Anyway, she saw the truck at the intersection of Chapel Hill St & Hwy 147 (aka the Durham Freeway) which is 2 blocks from the Durham Police Dept HQ and 3 blocks from where the ATM card was found. It was at 7:30 am on Saturday 1/12. It was reported to the DPD.

Also of note, that is PAST the place where the truck was found, further WNW by about 15 miles.

Now, if I could just hear from my parents, who are on their way home to Durham from the airport (I hope)

[KOOL LOOK]

Guys, I feel the one of our poster commented, my mind is boggled after this presser.

I've decided that I'm going to need confirmations and affirmations in order to believe any and all the facts the military presser gave. For example: atm video and shots of the transactions, which should either confirm or deny who used what when. That should be simple for authorities to produce and provide proof to the public.
The paternity of the baby, if not laureans then find the father, he should have some information. Individuals who did the interviews and exams, her personal care physician.

I need corroborating evidence to rule in or out this presser. Time will tell. We need to analyze everything said. We should be able to confirm alot of the facts by other means other than they said so.

Where's the murder weapon since it's blunt force trauma?

The thing that is real hard for me to believe, is the comments their using as evidence maria left on her own free will. the bank card being found, the cell phone oh yeah, thrown out the car window in anger. I don't think so, now that was pretty stupid.

If she bought this ticket, why the heck wasn't it used, and where is it now?
Someone else should have noticed a big pregnant girl at the bus station right?
I notice things like that, we haven't had not one corroborrating witness to this bus station sighting and purchase.

If she thought she was a problem to the military, family and wanted to just run and hide, why didn't she make some kind of comment to the mother, even a sarcastic one about leaving. This just dawned on me, the military presser guy stated that possibly she threw the cell phone out the window when speaking with her mom and it wasn't a good conversation, she was angry and tossed it. So is this when she decided to leave?

It doesn't make sense. She disappeared almost immediately after this conversation and probably murdered. Now that they have the cell phone, wonder why they didn't mention the calls in and out, the pings etc. Surely she looked up the bus station schedule or called it.

Due to have a baby, surely she would have given her mother some type of heads up of her intentions on leaving and going into a secluded life, because what else would the motive be for her rush departure? All medical forms ask and want emergency information. With the baby around the corner, she would'nt want to risk the delivering doctor, facility not having any personal emergency contact information. Too many dead end roads that don't make sense after I start trying to place reason in this pressers step by step account of events of the timeline as they ran it down for us trying to explain act by act of what led them to this conclusion then onto the next conclusion.

They covered their tracks, and it could be the truth, but it's going to have to fit reasonably and corroborate.

[Seven]

I think they were having an affair. And maybe the rape charges were done in vengance, like maybe she wanted him to leave his wife? . . .

Did you miss the part of the press conference where the official Marine timeline reported that, when interviewed, Laurean stated he had never had a sexual relationship with Maria?

IOW: No sex, no affair.

[JinxieJada]

Did you miss the part of the press conference where the official Marine timeline reported that, when interviewed, Laurean stated he had never had a sexual relationship with Maria?

IOW: No sex, no affair.


Let me guess "I did not have sexual relations with that woman":rolleyes:

[nnglas]

Excellent point, nnglas! :)

I'm pretty sure that the military guy reading the timeline didn't mention anything about that, but it was the white-haired NCIS guy in answer to a (planted shill?) question from the audience.

Also, did Timeline Marine say something about the Protective Order being expired as of late September and not renewed?

But wait a minute! I do remember Timeline Marine reading that, in answer to interview questions, Laurean said he had had NO (none, zero, nada, zilch) sexual encounters with Lauterbach at all. (IOW, he did not claim consentual sex and was saying her child had no chance whatsoever of being his.)

IIRC they said the protective order lapsed between 12/24/07 and 01/08/08.

I don't understand the Military's statements at all. According to them they spent between May 11, and now investigating absolutely nothing. Because she described a consensual encounter and another encounter where she told him to stop and he did. She also told them that the baby didn't result as part of a rape. I still don't know what "rape" they are talking about. It certainly doesn't sound as if she described a rape to them.

[Seven]

If she bought this ticket, why the heck wasn't it used, and where is it now?
Someone else should have noticed a big pregnant girl at the bus station right?
I notice things like that, we haven't had not one corroborrating witness to this bus station sighting and purchase.



My guess is that the ticket to El Paso was purchased by either Laurean or his wife.

[Seven]

IIRC they said the protective order lapsed between 12/24/07 and 01/08/08.

I don't understand the Military's statements at all. According to them they spent between May 11, and now investigating absolutely nothing. Because she described a consensual encounter and another encounter where she told him to stop and he did. She also told them that the baby didn't result as part of a rape. I still don't know what "rape" they are talking about. It certainly doesn't sound as if she described a rape to them.

Thanks for the dates.

I must have stopped watching before anything about consentual sex was mentioned, because I'm sure it was not mentioned by the uniformed Marine as he was reading the timeline.

Was it the NCIS guy who said that?

[nnglas]

A better question is if she was so close to deliver, the guy she was renting from was getting ready to deploy, why leave at all? Why not wait until she had the baby, collected a couple more paychecks. Because if she stayed here she could go the the hospital and have care on base. If she were somewhere else she would be putting herself in danger to be found and brought up on charges of being UA.

Another problem I find with their story is I thought the roomate heard or was there shortly after the conversation with her mother. He said that she told him she was upset right? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? But if he did say that, then throwing the phone out of the window while driving around talking to her mother......that theory just kind of goes......out the window.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, I thought that the roomate also said she was pretty much on bed rest because of the pregnancy, but she was at work the day before she disappeared?

I need some help here.

[calidreamin]

My guess is that the ticket to El Paso was purchased by either Laurean or his wife.

You know I tend to think that also but I swear a few days ago I heard the Sheriff at one of his pressers say that it had been determined that Maria bought the bus ticket and that she asked if she could leave her car there. Does anyone else remember that or am I losing my mind?

[nnglas]

Thanks for the dates.

I must have stopped watching before anything about consentual sex was mentioned, because I'm sure it was not mentioned by the uniformed Marine as he was reading the timeline.

Was it the NCIS guy who said that?

Yep, I think it was he who said that. He said it a couple of times that in seemed to be more or less consensual. The first encounter.

[FlowerChild]

Im dissappointed in the marines and their comments and conduct, and my father was a Marine...a real one, not one of these guys.



More that anything im SAD.
Sad for this girl and her baby.
Was there no one in her life that would stand up for her.
She deserved a chance and so did the baby.


This man...was a cold blooded baby killer....and the military is turning a blind eye, he is scott peterson all over again...but worse
Her Mom said she was "exaggerating" had a tendency to lie and dramatize things. Her Mom also wanted her to give up Gabriel for adoption. Then her Mom shut up when they found Maria dead. Her Air Force Dad has said NOTHING, her siblings, NOTHING, her fellow Marines (aside from her roommate) NOTHING. The Colonel called her "steady" while calling POS "stellar".

The Marines at LeJeune showed more public admiration and "love" for POS than for Maria! In fact they spent most of the PC tearing Maria down, while making excuses for themselves and POS.

And NO, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Marines (or MArias family) with a anything nice to say about Maria - THANK GOD for the good Sheriff, who genuinely seems to care about bringing POS to justice for the MURDERS of Maria and Gabriel. HE CARED and still CARES for Maria and Baby Gabriel! That little tiny hand in the dirt will keep him motivated to hunt down POS - for as long as it takes!

I, for one, am going to speak out FOR MARIA. I don't care what kind of Marine she was, she DID NOT DESERVE her fate and her son certainly did NOTHING to deserve HIS. She was a woman, single pregnant, young and doing the best she could in a MAN's WORLD. I don't care HOW she got pregnant or what she was like, or whether she was steady or flaky! She is now a VICTIM, a statistic proving that to be pregnant makes one a target for a violent death. Maria was not perfect - well neither AM I, so I am willing to be a voice FOR Maria - so that she and Gabriel did not die and lie in a cold lonely grave for NOTHING. Maria and Gabriel were ignored and disrespected in life, but NO MORE! CHANGE MUST HAPPEN! The Marines, the MILITARY as a whole, must celebrate the new millennium with some fresh thinking and some new policies and procedures. Maria was a MARINE in EVERY WAY and she deserves their respect, their grief and their promise that what happened to her, will NEVER happen to another woman.

I DEMAND change - for Maria and Gabriel.
I may be too late to help Maria and support her in life, but I AM supporting her in death - and I WILL support change for every woman who comes after!

I WILL STAND UP FOR MARIA!
Anyone else???
My Opinion

[JinxieJada]

Her Mom said she was "exaggerating" had a tendency to lie and dramatize things. Her Mom also wanted her to give up Gabriel for adoption. Then her Mom shut up when they found Maria dead. Her Air Force Dad has said NOTHING, her siblings, NOTHING, her fellow Marines (aside from her roommate) NOTHING. The Colonel called her "steady" while calling POS "stellar".

The Marines at LeJeune showed more public admiration and "love" for POS than for Maria! In fact they spent most of the PC tearing Maria down, while making excuses for themselves and POS.

And NO, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Marines (or MArias family) with a anything nice to say about Maria - THANK GOD for the good Sheriff, who genuinely seems to care about bringing POS to justice for the MURDERS of Maria and Gabriel. HE CARED and still CARES for Maria and Baby Gabriel! That little tiny hand in the dirt will keep him motivated to hunt down POS - for as long as it takes!

I, for one, am going to speak out FOR MARIA. I don't care what kind of Marine she was, she DID NOT DESERVE her fate and her son certainly did NOTHING to deserve HIS. She was a woman, single pregnant, young and doing the best she could in a MAN's WORLD. I don't care HOW she got pregnant or what she was like, or whether she was steady or flaky! She is now a VICTIM, a statistic proving that to be pregnant makes one a target for a violent death. Maria was not perfect - well neither AM I, so I am willing to be a voice FOR Maria - so that she and Gabriel did not die and lie in a cold lonely grave for NOTHING. Maria and Gabriel were ignored and disrespected in life, but NO MORE! CHANGE MUST HAPPEN! The Marines, the MILITARY as a whole, must celebrate the new millennium with some fresh thinking and some new policies and procedures. Maria was a MARINE in EVERY WAY and she deserves their respect, their grief and their promise that what happened to her, will NEVER happen to another woman.

I DEMAND change - for Maria and Gabriel.
I may be too late to help Maria and support her in life, but I AM supporting her in death - and I WILL support change for every woman who comes after!

I WILL STAND UP FOR MARIA!
Anyone else???
My Opinion

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::c lap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

An affair should NOT equate to Losing not only her life, but that of her unborn child.

[calidreamin]

Her Mom said she was "exaggerating" had a tendency to lie and dramatize things. Her Mom also wanted her to give up Gabriel for adoption. Then her Mom shut up when they found Maria dead. Her Air Force Dad has said NOTHING, her siblings, NOTHING, her fellow Marines (aside from her roommate) NOTHING. The Colonel called her "steady" while calling POS "stellar".

The Marines at LeJeune showed more public admiration and "love" for POS than for Maria! In fact they spent most of the PC tearing Maria down, while making excuses for themselves and POS.

And NO, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Marines (or MArias family) with a anything nice to say about Maria - THANK GOD for the good Sheriff, who genuinely seems to care about bringing POS to justice for the MURDERS of Maria and Gabriel. HE CARED and still CARES for Maria and Baby Gabriel! That little tiny hand in the dirt will keep him motivated to hunt down POS - for as long as it takes!

I, for one, am going to speak out FOR MARIA. I don't care what kind of Marine she was, she DID NOT DESERVE her fate and her son certainly did NOTHING to deserve HIS. She was a woman, single pregnant, young and doing the best she could in a MAN's WORLD. I don't care HOW she got pregnant or what she was like, or whether she was steady or flaky! She is now a VICTIM, a statistic proving that to be pregnant makes one a target for a violent death. Maria was not perfect - well neither AM I, so I am willing to be a voice FOR Maria - so that she and Gabriel did not die and lie in a cold lonely grave for NOTHING. Maria and Gabriel were ignored and disrespected in life, but NO MORE! CHANGE MUST HAPPEN! The Marines, the MILITARY as a whole, must celebrate the new millennium with some fresh thinking and some new policies and procedures. Maria was a MARINE in EVERY WAY and she deserves their respect, their grief and their promise that what happened to her, will NEVER happen to another woman.

I DEMAND change - for Maria and Gabriel.
I may be too late to help Maria and support her in life, but I AM supporting her in death - and I WILL support change for every woman who comes after!

I WILL STAND UP FOR MARIA!
Anyone else???
My Opinion

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: That was very well said Flowerchild. I too will stand up for Maria and baby Gabriel.

[Seven]

A better question is if she was so close to deliver, the guy she was renting from was getting ready to deploy, why leave at all? Why not wait until she had the baby, collected a couple more paychecks. Because if she stayed here she could go the the hospital and have care on base. If she were somewhere else she would be putting herself in danger to be found and brought up on charges of being UA.

Another problem I find with their story is I thought the roomate heard or was there shortly after the conversation with her mother. He said that she told him she was upset right? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? But if he did say that, then throwing the phone out of the window while driving around talking to her mother......that theory just kind of goes......out the window.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, I thought that the roomate also said she was pretty much on bed rest because of the pregnancy, but she was at work the day before she disappeared?

I need some help here.

I'm looking forward one of the news channels posting a transcript of the official timeline.

As for the answers made by the NCIS guy, I'm starting to think his job there was damage control and he was responding to a shill, because none of the statements that called into question Maria's complaint were made unprompted by the official Marine.

The official timeline did not say the March contact was consentual sex, to the best of my recollection.

[nnglas]

I'm looking forward one of the news channels posting a transcript of the official timeline.

As for the answers made by the NCIS guy, I'm starting to think his job there was damage control and he was responding to a shill, because none of the statements that called into question Maria's complaint were made unprompted by the official Marine.

The official timeline did not say the March contact was consentual sex, to the best of my recollection.

But the NCIS guy did make it sound like it was consensual, right? Or am I loosing my mind?

[englishleigh]

I've been working my little bootay off the past 2 days starting my new job and I am sooooo behind here. I've tried reading back but I don't have the patience. I cannot believe they have not caught this scumbag yet.

How did you guys find out the baby's name was Gabriel? Gabriel or Gabrielle? Boy or girl?? :(

[JDB]

A better question is if she was so close to deliver, the guy she was renting from was getting ready to deploy, why leave at all? Why not wait until she had the baby, collected a couple more paychecks. Because if she stayed here she could go the the hospital and have care on base. If she were somewhere else she would be putting herself in danger to be found and brought up on charges of being UA.

Another problem I find with their story is I thought the roomate heard or was there shortly after the conversation with her mother. He said that she told him she was upset right? Or am I remembering that incorrectly? But if he did say that, then throwing the phone out of the window while driving around talking to her mother......that theory just kind of goes......out the window.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, I thought that the roomate also said she was pretty much on bed rest because of the pregnancy, but she was at work the day before she disappeared?

I need some help here.

Durham was not deployed He was sent to Calif for training.And IIRC right she was staying with him off base more then likely renting a bedroom.

[MysteryAddict]

Her Mom said she was "exaggerating" had a tendency to lie and dramatize things. Her Mom also wanted her to give up Gabriel for adoption. Then her Mom shut up when they found Maria dead. Her Air Force Dad has said NOTHING, her siblings, NOTHING, her fellow Marines (aside from her roommate) NOTHING. The Colonel called her "steady" while calling POS "stellar".

The Marines at LeJeune showed more public admiration and "love" for POS than for Maria! In fact they spent most of the PC tearing Maria down, while making excuses for themselves and POS.

And NO, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Marines (or MArias family) with a anything nice to say about Maria - THANK GOD for the good Sheriff, who genuinely seems to care about bringing POS to justice for the MURDERS of Maria and Gabriel. HE CARED and still CARES for Maria and Baby Gabriel! That little tiny hand in the dirt will keep him motivated to hunt down POS - for as long as it takes!

I, for one, am going to speak out FOR MARIA. I don't care what kind of Marine she was, she DID NOT DESERVE her fate and her son certainly did NOTHING to deserve HIS. She was a woman, single pregnant, young and doing the best she could in a MAN's WORLD. I don't care HOW she got pregnant or what she was like, or whether she was steady or flaky! She is now a VICTIM, a statistic proving that to be pregnant makes one a target for a violent death. Maria was not perfect - well neither AM I, so I am willing to be a voice FOR Maria - so that she and Gabriel did not die and lie in a cold lonely grave for NOTHING. Maria and Gabriel were ignored and disrespected in life, but NO MORE! CHANGE MUST HAPPEN! The Marines, the MILITARY as a whole, must celebrate the new millennium with some fresh thinking and some new policies and procedures. Maria was a MARINE in EVERY WAY and she deserves their respect, their grief and their promise that what happened to her, will NEVER happen to another woman.

I DEMAND change - for Maria and Gabriel.
I may be too late to help Maria and support her in life, but I AM supporting her in death - and I WILL support change for every woman who comes after!

I WILL STAND UP FOR MARIA!
Anyone else???
My Opinion

Bless you for your eloquence in expressing my own thoughts!

[nnglas]

Durham was not deployed He was sent to Calif for training.And IIRC right she was staying with him off base more then likely renting a bedroom.

Right. I got that, but I was saying that to say that he was going to be out of town and so she would most likely have the house to herself. Besides if he was going to Calif most likely it was CAX and they are gone for like 3 months.

[Seven]

. . .
I DEMAND change - for Maria and Gabriel.
I may be too late to help Maria and support her in life, but I AM supporting her in death - and I WILL support change for every woman who comes after!

I WILL STAND UP FOR MARIA!
Anyone else???
My Opinion

Count me in, FlowerChild!
We can be the Maria Corps! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_2_106.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS) <salute>

[nnglas]

Another question. Who the heck is in EL Paso? I know if I were going to deliver a baby soon I would most likely want to be around someone I know. I still haven't heard that she had any connection to El Paso whatsoever. Besides what was she going to do for money when she got there? When they put her being UA that automatically stops her pay. Are we to believe she was just going to be pregnant living on the streets? She doesn't seem to have had that much money.

[Pharlap]

Boy we sure have some great, well thought out writers in the bunch..:clap:
English was my worst subject......
Great posts....

The marines turned there backs on one of the own.
Oh, I forgot she was a female...think it makes a difference....

[Ticamom]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


I stand with you, Flower Child. What a beautiful heartfelt post. :blowkiss:


Her Mom said she was "exaggerating" had a tendency to lie and dramatize things. Her Mom also wanted her to give up Gabriel for adoption. Then her Mom shut up when they found Maria dead. Her Air Force Dad has said NOTHING, her siblings, NOTHING, her fellow Marines (aside from her roommate) NOTHING. The Colonel called her "steady" while calling POS "stellar".

The Marines at LeJeune showed more public admiration and "love" for POS than for Maria! In fact they spent most of the PC tearing Maria down, while making excuses for themselves and POS.

And NO, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Marines (or MArias family) with a anything nice to say about Maria - THANK GOD for the good Sheriff, who genuinely seems to care about bringing POS to justice for the MURDERS of Maria and Gabriel. HE CARED and still CARES for Maria and Baby Gabriel! That little tiny hand in the dirt will keep him motivated to hunt down POS - for as long as it takes!

I, for one, am going to speak out FOR MARIA. I don't care what kind of Marine she was, she DID NOT DESERVE her fate and her son certainly did NOTHING to deserve HIS. She was a woman, single pregnant, young and doing the best she could in a MAN's WORLD. I don't care HOW she got pregnant or what she was like, or whether she was steady or flaky! She is now a VICTIM, a statistic proving that to be pregnant makes one a target for a violent death. Maria was not perfect - well neither AM I, so I am willing to be a voice FOR Maria - so that she and Gabriel did not die and lie in a cold lonely grave for NOTHING. Maria and Gabriel were ignored and disrespected in life, but NO MORE! CHANGE MUST HAPPEN! The Marines, the MILITARY as a whole, must celebrate the new millennium with some fresh thinking and some new policies and procedures. Maria was a MARINE in EVERY WAY and she deserves their respect, their grief and their promise that what happened to her, will NEVER happen to another woman.

I DEMAND change - for Maria and Gabriel.
I may be too late to help Maria and support her in life, but I AM supporting her in death - and I WILL support change for every woman who comes after!

I WILL STAND UP FOR MARIA!
Anyone else???
My Opinion

[Trino]

Just for clarification, according to Meriam Webster:

"solid" of good substantial quality

"stellar" outstanding

So, what is being said by the military is that he was better than she was? Maybe the Marines should cover their tracks better.

[Ticamom]

Nancy Grace on Headline News is starting ! Heads up !

I want to hear her opinions on the Marine presser:waitasec:

[Ticamom]

Just for clarification, according to Meriam Webster:

"solid" of good substantial quality

"stellar" outstanding

So, what is being said by the military is that he was better than she was? Maybe the Marines should cover their tracks better.



I know This just infuriated me when I heard him say it. How DARE he ! :furious:

[calidreamin]

Nancy Grace on Headline News is starting ! Heads up !

I want to hear her opinions on the Marine presser:waitasec:

I can just imagine what Nancy is going to say about this.:eek:

[JinxieJada]

Pretty pretty pretty please? With sugar and a cherry on top?

[Ticamom]

Nancy is expressing doubts about Christina's statements. You go, NG !!!!!

[Taximom]

Jinxie, her show transcripts are up pretty soon after her show airs. Just FYI!

[ipswitch]

Durham was not deployed He was sent to Calif for training.And IIRC right she was staying with him off base more then likely renting a bedroom.

He wasn't deployed ... yet

He was TDY (temporary deployment) for training *prior* to his deployment. The reason she was able to rent his place was due to his pending deployment. (this was covered in the presser... I caught all the alphabet meanings ;))

[close_enough]

good grief!...trying to play catch-up here....so Maria claimed she was raped twice, but the rapes had nothing to do with her pregnancy :confused:

btw, my son's team won the bowling match today:)
we're still hanging in with the regionals!

[englishleigh]

Asking again...I'm dying to know.

Who named the baby Gabriel/Gabrielle? Was that what Maria wanted to name the baby? Is it Gabriel or Gabrielle (boy or girl)?

[Ticamom]

Asking again...I'm dying to know.

Who named the baby Gabriel/Gabrielle? Was that what Maria wanted to name the baby? Is it Gabriel or Gabrielle (boy or girl)?

I read an article ( sorry cant remember where ) that stated that she had planned to call her baby boy Gabriel Joseph. Little angel never had a chance.

[englishleigh]

I read an article ( sorry cant remember where ) that stated that she had planned to call her baby boy Gabriel Joseph. Little angel never had a chance.

Awwwww. :( The angel Gabriel.

Thanks, Tica!!

[close_enough]

I think they were having an affair. And maybe the rape charges were done in vengance, like maybe she wanted him to leave his wife? Don't flame me, I'm just trying to think in all angles. Because someone dies a horrible death does not make them an angel when they were here on Earth. She was human...and there are alot of women and men out there that get involved with a married person, fall in love and do strange things....just saying. That would also explain the statement about that they continued to have a friendly relationship. Maybe that's why she changed her mind about the rape charges and changed them back again.

SO anyway, maybe she was going to leave. Hormones can do crazy things to a pregnant girl...epecially one (possibly) in love with a married man who won't leave his wife...he was a looker, sad to say. On her way out she decided to make wife aware of everthing. That's where wifey comes in....what do y'all think?
Also, I think he's gone on a flight. He didn't park that close to the airport for no reason. And who really knows how long he's been gone.

all of your post sounds very plausible to me....

[JinxieJada]

Jinxie, her show transcripts are up pretty soon after her show airs. Just FYI!


Thanks - Im hitting refresh constantly on her site page waiting for the "rush transcripts" LOL!

[JDB]

Thanks - Im hitting refresh constantly on her site page waiting for the "rush transcripts" LOL!

Will u wait till after the show???? Laffin

[cricket]

Yep, I think it was he who said that. He said it a couple of times that in seemed to be more or less consensual. The first encounter.


Wasn't the POS a superior of hers? IMO any sex a subordinate has with a superior can never be truly considered consensual.

[tiredblondy]

Just a thought here...She kept telling everyone she did not feel he was a threat to her.. What if that was part of the plan? He played the game , Doesn't he have connections in El Paso? What if he talked her into meeting him there and that was the reason for the ticked to El Paso. At sometime maybe they planned on him taking her to the bus and that was when he was chose to take kill her? Also keying her car was one of the harassment issues. It has been my experience that is something women do in spite.?? I just got in and haven't been able to read back so forgive me if this has been covered previously.

[Ticamom]

OMG, on NG they keep showing the clip over and over of the moments when they took Maria and Gabriel's remains out of the fire pit. The man on the right almost falls as he gets out of the pit, and for a second you can see Maria's burnt head BEFORE they put the blurred circle on it. How horrible !

I wish they would realize their mistake and stop showing that. Imagine if her family is watching ?

[JDB]

Wasn't the POS a superior of hers? IMO any sex a subordinate has with a superior can never be truly considered consensual.

No they were both CPL.

[paddy01]

No they were both CPL.
He was Cpl. & she was Lance Cpl. one rank below him.

[Littledeer]

WARNING:

My recap of presser is long: Skip over if not interested. :)

This is what I have from my hastily written notes during the press conference. PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT THESE ARE NOT FACTS. Only what I scribbled and I am not PERFECT. Question marks are because I did not hear specifically and will not make a guess on what was said.
If there is anything GLARING WRONG, PLEASE PLEASE CORRECT!!! Also, add what I didn't catch!
This looks real nice here in my WordPad, but it will probably come out all scrambled once I copy to WS. so sorry!!!!

March 26 and April 11: Two Sexual Assaults (I have 5/26 written down as the second date?) The first ones are from a poster.

May 11: Chief Officer notified...Went to UAA (Forgot what this acronym stands for)

Date (?): Medical Exam done on Maria
No Rape Kit
Pregnancy Test: Negative

May 11: Rape Investigation Opened

May 12: WMPO Written: Leauran to have no contact with Maria: 1,000 feet away
Maria Reassigned Across Base
Supposedly still interact daily: But no signs of force or threats known or seen

May 18: Cesar Denies Rape Allegation

May 24: 2nd WMPO Written

May 18 to June 24: Maria on Leave in Ohio
Comes back on base June 25th: Exhibits no sign of anxiety, etc.

June 25: 3rd WMPO Written: Effective until 9/24

June 27: Maria seeks Medical Test, Tests positive for pregnancy. Estimated time of conception 5/14/07

July 11 to July 26 - Cesar on Leave
Comes back on base: No indication of contact between him and Maria

September 17 (?) Maria request off base housing

September 20: 4th WMPO Written: Effective until 12/23

Officers (NCIS, JAG) ? developing Case

September 26 to October 2 - Maria on Leave

October 18: Maria told DNA needed from baby

October 22: New Services for Prosecutor to review
Article 22: Can have witnesses, questions, etc.

October 23: ?????

October 31: Maria's request to move off base approved

November 5: Maria moves: Rent's from Durham

November 4 to November 13: Leave - LA? Possibly talking about Durham????

November 26: Maria shows for Doctor's Appointment

December 14: Cesar reports to duty (Not at x-mas party) Not mandatory to show
Durham finds note from Maria: I'm going away.......finds items missing (clothes, personal items, and car)
Durham calls Maria's sister and also talks to Maria's mother
Supposedly Command is not notified until December 27 (about what??)

December 18: Maria's mother notified

December 19: LE in Ohio contact Military and Sheriff's Office about Maria being Missing

December 20: Durham notifies Commander he is leaving on December 27 to CA for duty

December 21: Holiday on Base (?)

December 24: $400 withdrawn from Maria's account (some heard $700)

December 26: Maria doesn't show for Doctor's Appointment

December 27: Base calls Mom: She states no contact with Maria

December 28: Maria's belongings are taken from Durhams Home

January 2: ????

January 3: Inventory taken of Maria's belongings and reinventoried

January 4: Marines request 10 day letter (?) Want additional information from Mother when Maria called her

January 7: Maria's Mother and Uncle show up on Base: 1st indication of Foul Play by Marines

January 8: 5th WMPO written: Effective until March 28, 2008

January 9: Laurean @ Sheriff's Office with Attorneys (?): No Miranda Rights given
On phone with Commanding Officer (?) possibly Laurean requesting leave which was approved

January 10: Laurean calls for leave: To meet with attorneys - Approved
Asks for leave for January 11 to meet with Attorneys: Approved: To call In on Friday in AM

January 11: Laurean doesn't call in. Fails to report to Work. Reported UA

[Ticamom]

Wow, great job Littledeer !!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

I am sooo glad you're back. I was worried by your parting comment earlier. Who could possibly hate such a sweet deer ??????

ON another note, they keep expressing the same doubts we have about Christina on Nancy Grace. Go Nancy !!!! She can express our thoughts so well..... I wonder if she ever reads here ?

[close_enough]

thanks Lildeer:)

[Pharlap]

Just listening to nancy, they talked about the paint a few times.
Then it dawns on me,WHEN DID HE buy the paint BEFORE or after the murder.:eek:
Little things sometimes cracks the case...

[Taximom]

Littledeer, how did it go tonight? My husband got home too late for me to leave for Mentor. I'll go check on Riley's thread. :blowkiss: Thanks for the transcript. I haven't gone through it all yet.

[peace9274]

When did the neighbor see the buckets on the porch? Anyone remember?
Were they empties or new cans of paint?

[tiredblondy]

Just listening to nancy, they talked about the paint a few times.
Then it dawns on me, DID HE buy the paint BEFORE or after the murder.:eek:
Little things sometimes cracks the case...

I believe the neighor said the paint was on the porch some time before Christmas???Not sure..I really think he dupped her into thinking he would meet her in El Paso. She could have been upset because her mom wanted the baby put up for adoption and contacted him etc...I do think there was a plan.

[Pharlap]

I believe the neighor said the paint was on the porch some time before Christmas???Not sure..I really think he dupped her into thinking he would meet her in El Paso. She could have been upset because her mom wanted the baby put up for adoption and contacted him etc...I do think there was a plan.

The sheriff has to find out when the paint was bought.
Would make a big difference if indeed this was a set up to kill her.

[Tom'sGirl]

I've been working my little bootay off the past 2 days starting my new job and I am sooooo behind here. I've tried reading back but I don't have the patience. I cannot believe they have not caught this scumbag yet.


How did you guys find out the baby's name was Gabriel? Gabriel or Gabrielle? Boy or girl?? :(

I found out here:

News Death Notice

LAUTERBACH, Maria F. and infant son Gabrel Joseph, 20 of Vandalia, December 14, 2007. Service pending. Westbrock Funeral Home
Published in the Dayton Daily News on 1/13/2008. http://www.legacy.com/Obituaries.asp?Page=ObitFinderResults (http://www.legacy.com/Obituaries.asp?Page=ObitFinderResults)

[Pharlap]

Just a thought here...She kept telling everyone she did not feel he was a threat to her.. What if that was part of the plan? He played the game , Doesn't he have connections in El Paso? What if he talked her into meeting him there and that was the reason for the ticked to El Paso. At sometime maybe they planned on him taking her to the bus and that was when he was chose to take kill her? Also keying her car was one of the harassment issues. It has been my experience that is something women do in spite.?? I just got in and haven't been able to read back so forgive me if this has been covered previously.


Ok, she kept telling everyone she did not feel he was a threat to her.
WHO are they?
Bet they will be in court when it goes to trial...Wonder if any there are.
I feel this is a massive cover up

[Tom'sGirl]

Asking again...I'm dying to know.

Who named the baby Gabriel/Gabrielle? Was that what Maria wanted to name the baby? Is it Gabriel or Gabrielle (boy or girl)?

http://www.legacy.com/Obituaries.asp?Page=ObitFinderResults (http://www.legacy.com/Obituaries.asp?Page=ObitFinderResults)

[Littledeer]

Thanks all for the little scratches on my antlers for the presser post.

peace: I have that date somewhere on when it was reported that the neighbors saw the paint cans. Can definately tell you that although she is a "nosy" neighbor, she didn't go over and pick up the cans to see if they were full or empties.

AND YES GRETA ROCKS!! I noticed that not one interviewer believed that Christine could not have either 1.) Not noticed that something was horribly wrong in her house or 2.) that she was totally not involved in the murder of Maria and Gabriel or even 3.) helped in the abetting of her husband fleeing.

[tiredblondy]

Ok, she kept telling everyone she did not feel he was a threat to her.
WHO are they?
Bet they will be in court when it goes to trial...Wonder if any there are.
I feel this is a massive cover up

:confused:
I understood it was the victims advocate and the investigative team for the marines. That it is documented in their interviews with her.

[Littledeer]

tica:

:):) thanks for the warm rewelcome. Makes my antlers shine. LOL

[MysteryAddict]

Ok, she kept telling everyone she did not feel he was a threat to her.
WHO are they?
Bet they will be in court when it goes to trial...Wonder if any there are.
I feel this is a massive cover up


Could it be that she didn't like to admit that she felt threatened because it made her look "weak" to other Marines around her?

That she didn't want to be teased but wanted to maintain her dignity as a strong Marine,
(even at the same time feeling so vulnerable)?

[Ticamom]

tica:

:):) thanks for the warm rewelcome. Makes my antlers shine. LOL

Anytime my friend !:blowkiss:

[Seven]

Let me guess "I did not have sexual relations with that woman":rolleyes:

I know.

It seems as if they automatically believed him and disbelieved her.

Did they do any investigation whatsoever?
Other than interviewing her?

[Pharlap]

Could it be that she didn't like to admit that she felt threatened because it made her look "weak" to other Marines around her?

That she didn't want to be teased but wanted to maintain her dignity as a strong Marine,
(even at the same time feeling so vulnerable)?

Could be.
I'd like nancy to ask these guys to come on the show and tell it like it is.
Nancy pz ask them....
I don't know, something just doesn't sound right to me.
Maybe it's just me.:rolleyes:

[Ticamom]

I know.

It seems as if they automatically believed him and disbelieved her.

Did they do any investigation whatsoever?
Other than interviewing her?

Apparently not ..... the months that followed the rape dragged on and on and they hadnt done much if anything. Just took POS ' word and discounted hers IMO :furious:

[Seven]

Another question. Who the heck is in EL Paso? I know if I were going to deliver a baby soon I would most likely want to be around someone I know. I still haven't heard that she had any connection to El Paso whatsoever. Besides what was she going to do for money when she got there? When they put her being UA that automatically stops her pay. Are we to believe she was just going to be pregnant living on the streets? She doesn't seem to have had that much money.

All very, very good questions ..... If anyone in her family doesn't know anything about El Paso, then it's obvious that she'd go to her mother, if she went anywhere at all.

A reporter on Nancy a few minutes ago claimed the bus ticket had been found in Maria's abandoned car ..... but since his neighbor saw him driving Maria's car, he could have left the ticket there as a red herring.

The reporter also said that a woman "matching Maria's description" purchased the ticket. Since her picture only recently was broadcast and the ticket was purchased on the 14th, then someone in a blonde wig could have purchased the ticket ..... Xtina?

[Seven]

Just for clarification, according to Meriam Webster:

"solid" of good substantial quality

"stellar" outstanding

So, what is being said by the military is that he was better than she was? Maybe the Marines should cover their tracks better.

Ooops! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_15.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS) ..... Marines should have called Nancy before they labeled their boy Laurean as "stellar"

Did you hear the list of aliases the POS has? Nancy read them out .... there were four or five of them that she knows of as of today!!!

Yes ... a stellar POS he is.

[Spazkat9696]

All very, very good questions ..... If anyone in her family doesn't know anything about El Paso, then it's obvious that she'd go to her mother, if she went anywhere at all.

A reporter on Nancy a few minutes ago claimed the bus ticket had been found in Maria's abandoned car ..... but since his neighbor saw him driving Maria's car, he could have left the ticket there as a red herring.

The reporter also said that a woman "matching Maria's description" purchased the ticket. Since her picture only recently was broadcast and the ticket was purchased on the 14th, then someone in a blonde wig could have purchased the ticket ..... Xtina?


If she suspected COB was not the father maybe she knew who he was, and he lived in El Paso, Ft. Bliss.

[lilpony]

Her Mom said she was "exaggerating" had a tendency to lie and dramatize things. Her Mom also wanted her to give up Gabriel for adoption. Then her Mom shut up when they found Maria dead. Her Air Force Dad has said NOTHING, her siblings, NOTHING, her fellow Marines (aside from her roommate) NOTHING. The Colonel called her "steady" while calling POS "stellar".

The Marines at LeJeune showed more public admiration and "love" for POS than for Maria! In fact they spent most of the PC tearing Maria down, while making excuses for themselves and POS.

And NO, there doesn't seem to be anyone in the Marines (or MArias family) with a anything nice to say about Maria - THANK GOD for the good Sheriff, who genuinely seems to care about bringing POS to justice for the MURDERS of Maria and Gabriel. HE CARED and still CARES for Maria and Baby Gabriel! That little tiny hand in the dirt will keep him motivated to hunt down POS - for as long as it takes!

I, for one, am going to speak out FOR MARIA. I don't care what kind of Marine she was, she DID NOT DESERVE her fate and her son certainly did NOTHING to deserve HIS. She was a woman, single pregnant, young and doing the best she could in a MAN's WORLD. I don't care HOW she got pregnant or what she was like, or whether she was steady or flaky! She is now a VICTIM, a statistic proving that to be pregnant makes one a target for a violent death. Maria was not perfect - well neither AM I, so I am willing to be a voice FOR Maria - so that she and Gabriel did not die and lie in a cold lonely grave for NOTHING. Maria and Gabriel were ignored and disrespected in life, but NO MORE! CHANGE MUST HAPPEN! The Marines, the MILITARY as a whole, must celebrate the new millennium with some fresh thinking and some new policies and procedures. Maria was a MARINE in EVERY WAY and she deserves their respect, their grief and their promise that what happened to her, will NEVER happen to another woman.

I DEMAND change - for Maria and Gabriel.
I may be too late to help Maria and support her in life, but I AM supporting her in death - and I WILL support change for every woman who comes after!

I WILL STAND UP FOR MARIA!
Anyone else???
My Opinion

:clap: :clap: :clap: I so agree with you! :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Ticamom]

All very, very good questions ..... If anyone in her family doesn't know anything about El Paso, then it's obvious that she'd go to her mother, if she went anywhere at all.

A reporter on Nancy a few minutes ago claimed the bus ticket had been found in Maria's abandoned car ..... but since his neighbor saw him driving Maria's car, he could have left the ticket there as a red herring.

The reporter also said that a woman "matching Maria's description" purchased the ticket. Since her picture only recently was broadcast and the ticket was purchased on the 14th, then someone in a blonde wig could have purchased the ticket ..... Xtina?

I have always thought that Xtina bought the ticket disguised as Maria. No Way was 8 month pregnant Maria going to travel by bus to El Paso !

[Seven]

Could be.
I'd like nancy to ask these guys to come on the show and tell it like it is.
Nancy pz ask them....
I don't know, something just doesn't sound right to me.
Maybe it's just me.:rolleyes:

It's not just you.
You have LOTS of company! :D

I think they're trying to head off a lawsuit from her parents. Even her dad (former military) said they didnt protect her the way they should have.

[peace9274]

peace: "... I have that date somewhere on when it was reported that the neighbors saw the paint cans. Can definately tell you that although she is a "nosy" neighbor, she didn't go over and pick up the cans to see if they were full or empties...."


Thanks, Littledeer, for timeline. You did a great job.:blowkiss:

Re the paint cans. The guy across the street from me is a painting contractor. I can usually tell from here, when his cans are in the driveway, if the cans are new or used.

I hope POS didn't buy the paint before murdering Maria, with the plan that the room would need painting, because of the blood splatters. He may have bought the paint prior, just because the rooms needed painting.

If afterwards, paint was definitely purchased for covering up.

I know they said one of the rooms was the garage. Was the other the livingroom? Or a bedroom? Or... ?

[MysteryAddict]

I have always thought that Xtina bought the ticket disguised as Maria. No Way was 8 month pregnant Maria going to travel by bus to El Paso !

Was it ever mentioned how much that "red herring" ticket cost them?

[Seven]

I have always thought that Xtina bought the ticket disguised as Maria. No Way was 8 month pregnant Maria going to travel by bus to El Paso !

ABSOLUTELY NO WAY!
I want to hear more from the mother. Last week I saw an interview w/her in which she said Maria called her every day or so. ..... I'm pretty sure she would know whether or not Maria would take a bus to Texas (and leave her car where?)

Unless she was planning a late-term abortion, why would she leave every, single support system she had in her time of impending delivery?

[Littledeer]

seven:

All very, very good questions ..... If anyone in her family doesn't know anything about El Paso, then it's obvious that she'd go to her mother, if she went anywhere at all.


I'm not sure that Maria felt she could go to her mother after the phone conversation they had. Rememeber, her mother did supposedly say in this phone conversation she felt that Maria should put the baby up for adoption.

Ok.......maybe now is the time to tell my story. I am adopted. My MOM AND DAD adopted me when I was close to 2 years old. When I was 20, I foolishly had intimate relations with a man and got pregnant. My mother felt that being single I should go to a home for unwed mothers and give the baby up for adoption.

I did go tp the home. I gave birth to a baby girl. My mother had me convinced that I should give this baby up, even though by now I was wavering on that decision. (very close to due date) She brought me a ticket to go to California to stay with some friends to think it over. after I had given birth. I did, I spent a week there, thinking and thinking. It was hard for me.........one as an adoptee and knowing that adopted parents can be loving and good parents and also as a natural mother.

I came home............and today my daughter is 29 and blessed me with two beautiful grandaughters.

Why did I type all of the above? To give you all maybe some of the thoughts/feelings/emotions, etc. that Maria might have been going through along with her mother too.

The glaring difference between Maria and I, is that Gabriel's alledged father was in the picture, my baby's father wasn't.

[lilpony]

Ok, it's almost 7pm where I live. Which one should I watch, which will be give more info on this case? Nancy Grace or Greta?:confused:

[Mohabi]

Ooops! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_2_15.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYIXUS) ..... Marines should have called Nancy before they labeled their boy Laurean as "stellar"

Did you hear the list of aliases the POS has? Nancy read them out .... there were four or five of them that she knows of as of today!!!

Yes ... a stellar POS he is.

A Stella Killa. SK

[panthera]

Was it ever mentioned how much that "red herring" ticket cost them?
Probably nothing! She'd just withdrawn something like $700. from the bank the day before (13th or 14th) and maybe still had it on her when she was murdered. He also withdrew $400. from her bank via an ATM @ Walmart on 12/24.

[panthera]

Ok, it's almost 7pm where I live. Which one should I watch, which will be give more info on this case? Nancy Grace or Greta?:confused:
FNC is covering the Michigan primary, Greta isn't on.

[Ticamom]

Ok, it's almost 7pm where I live. Which one should I watch, which will be give more info on this case? Nancy Grace or Greta?:confused:

I only watched NG tonight, and she rocked !

Can anyone that watched greta give us a recap ?

[lilpony]

Thanks Panthera and Ticamom

[lilpony]

Where is everyone tonight. I count on getting all the info for y'all.
Do I have to threaten to go over to the InSession boards!hehe:D

[SuziQ]

Ok, she kept telling everyone she did not feel he was a threat to her.
WHO are they?
Bet they will be in court when it goes to trial...Wonder if any there are.
I feel this is a massive cover up

Probably the same people who harrased, slugged, keyed her card and celebrated with a BBQ.

Stll catching up, brb.

[close_enough]

I only watched NG tonight, and she rocked !

Can anyone that watched greta give us a recap ?

i guess Greta will be on later...the Democratic debate is on now...

[Pharlap]

Ok, it's almost 7pm where I live. Which one should I watch, which will be give more info on this case? Nancy Grace or Greta?:confused:

greta's not on..the voting pole is on...what fun...NOT

[Ticamom]

I had posted this petition site on an earlier thread, but I am posting it again so that anyone that wants to sign the petition to pass the Laci law in NC will do so. Thanks everyboy !

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/petition/351057706

[Pharlap]

Where is everyone tonight. I count on getting all the info for y'all.
Do I have to threaten to go over to the InSession boards!hehe:D

I think a time out.
I'm, and I bet others on this board, bushed with all the wrangling that went on today.
There seems in the military, NO voice for her.

[STEADFAST]

greta's not on..the voting pole is on...what fun...NOT

OH, thank you so much, CE and Pharlap -- I was under the impression I was taping the Greta show. That would have been a big disappointment!

[STEADFAST]

I don't understand. On NG there's a banner that says murder suspect's truck found at motel. Where is that discussed here? How can I be missing that?
(I was at work till after Nancy's first showing.) Please, please tell me what is going on.:)

[SuziQ]

I don't understand. On NG there's a banner that says murder suspect's truck found at motel. Where is that discussed here? How can I be missing that?
(I was at work till after Nancy's first showing.) Please, please tell me what is going on.:)

Go to CNN.com. His truck was found around noon today.

[STEADFAST]

Go to CNN.com. His truck was found around noon today.

Thanks, Suzi. No wonder I don't see it on here.

[panthera]

I don't understand. On NG there's a banner that says murder suspect's truck found at motel. Where is that discussed here? How can I be missing that?
(I was at work till after Nancy's first showing.) Please, please tell me what is going on.:)
I don't know if it was discussed here since I was having server issues for a while early this evening then just came back about 1/2 hr. ago.

The truck was found at the Microtel Inn adjacent to the Raleigh-Durham airport. It was parked around back out of sight of the surveillance cameras and found today. The Inn doesn't have any record of him staying there even under one of his aliases. There's a Greyhound nearby but not a ticketing station, just for pre-ticketed passengers.

[fran]

Well, since a WS poster's friend spotted the car just 15 minutes from the location, we COULD assume the truck has been there since Saturday A.M.

JMHO
fran

[STEADFAST]

From an article about Sheriff Brown:
"Courted by both Democrats and Republicans to run for a seat in the state Legislature, his interaction with reporters since Lauterbach disappeared has led him to decide against it.Doing so would require Brown to leave his humble country home, frequently filled by his two grandchildren and his parents, who live across the street. He can't imagine leaving his church, filled each Sunday by dozens of "kinfolk" who live in an area where he was raised as the oldest of six children by a tenant farmer.
. . .

Locals greet Brown as "Mr. Ed" at his favorite diner, where he favors sweet tea with extra ice, and are quick to recognize "Ol' Betty," his boat-sized 1990 Chevrolet."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3yQegAxyffK7QvtoS6J5I1IJI1AD8U6LIKO0

[Tom'sGirl]

Where is everyone tonight. I count on getting all the info for y'all.
Do I have to threaten to go over to the InSession boards!hehe:D
We're in Chat Room

[STEADFAST]

I don't know if it was discussed here since I was having server issues for a while early this evening then just came back about 1/2 hr. ago.

The truck was found at the Microtel Inn adjacent to the Raleigh-Durham airport. It was parked around back out of sight of the surveillance cameras and found today. The Inn doesn't have any record of him staying there even under one of his aliases. There's a Greyhound nearby but not a ticketing station, just for pre-ticketed passengers.

Thank you so much, panthera! I agree with fran -- bet he's been there the whole time. Fits in with what was posted.

[Littledeer]

Cesar's truck was found at Microtel Hotel in Marrissville, NC. Or some town close to that spelling. I am way over tired now. too much posting!

I'll see what I can find for you and bring it forward. Unless someone else beats me to it steadfast.

No Cesar located yet though.

[fran]

We're in Chat Room

Ahh shoot!

I can't get in chat. :(

fran

[panthera]

Well, since a WS poster's friend spotted the car just 15 minutes from the location, we COULD assume the truck has been there since Saturday A.M.

JMHO
fran
I'd even guess Friday morning. Like Mike Brooks said, it's possible that someone met him there or he had other transportation waiting. Airline manifests need checking for all flights outbound on Friday/Saturday.

[JinxieJada]

Originally Posted by STEADFAST http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1914213#post1914213)
I don't understand. On NG there's a banner that says murder suspect's truck found at motel. Where is that discussed here? How can I be missing that?
(I was at work till after Nancy's first showing.) Please, please tell me what is going on.:)



http://wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/2304288/


snip

The truck belonging to a Camp Lejeune Marine accused of killing a pregnant comrade was located at Morrisville motel Tuesday afternoon.


License plates on the black pickup truck parked outside the Microtel Inn & Suites, near the Prime Outlets center off Airport Boulevard south of Interstate 40 (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=104+Factory+Shops+Rd,+Morrisville,+NC+27560 ,+USA&ie=UTF8&om=1&s=AARTsJp8eXXNH9V0rtIanC8PsgyzpYoV6A&ll=35.867561,-78.816948&spn=0.024344,0.036478&z=14&iwloc=addr&output=embed), matched those on a black Dodge pickup that authorities said belonged to Laurean.

[STEADFAST]

Cesar's truck was found at Microtel Hotel in Marrissville, NC. Or some town close to that spelling. I am way over tired now. too much posting!

I'll see what I can find for you and bring it forward. Unless someone else beats me to it steadfast.

No Cesar located yet though.

Thanks, Miss Bambi:) Please don't look if you're tired. I can go look -- plus, I got the lowdown from panthera. Oh, also thanks for the timeline and all the rest of hard work you do!:blowkiss:

[panthera]

Thank you so much, panthera! I agree with fran -- bet he's been there the whole time. Fits in with what was posted.
You're most welcome! I doubt he's still around now, but it does change the possibilities of where he could be from what we were thinking this past weekend. I wish we knew if he had any fake ID.

[STEADFAST]

I'd even guess Friday morning. Like Mike Brooks said, it's possible that someone met him there or he had other transportation waiting. Airline manifests need checking for all flights outbound on Friday/Saturday.

Or he could have taken a free airport shuttle.

[close_enough]

seven:



I'm not sure that Maria felt she could go to her mother after the phone conversation they had. Rememeber, her mother did supposedly say in this phone conversation she felt that Maria should put the baby up for adoption.

Ok.......maybe now is the time to tell my story. I am adopted. My MOM AND DAD adopted me when I was close to 2 years old. When I was 20, I foolishly had intimate relations with a man and got pregnant. My mother felt that being single I should go to a home for unwed mothers and give the baby up for adoption.

I did go tp the home. I gave birth to a baby girl. My mother had me convinced that I should give this baby up, even though by now I was wavering on that decision. (very close to due date) She brought me a ticket to go to California to stay with some friends to think it over. after I had given birth. I did, I spent a week there, thinking and thinking. It was hard for me.........one as an adoptee and knowing that adopted parents can be loving and good parents and also as a natural mother.

I came home............and today my daughter is 29 and blessed me with two beautiful grandaughters.

Why did I type all of the above? To give you all maybe some of the thoughts/feelings/emotions, etc. that Maria might have been going through along with her mother too.

The glaring difference between Maria and I, is that Gabriel's alledged father was in the picture, my baby's father wasn't.

what a cool story, Lildeer...thanks for sharing :)

[panthera]

Or he could have taken a free airport shuttle.
Oh yes, take the shuttle to the airport, but I also meant someone waiting to take him via car somewhere else. The truck could be "planted" to look like he left from the airport. Mike Brooks also said someone else could've been registered at the Inn and he was with them. So many possibilities I don't envy LE at all in their search!

[panthera]

what a cool story, Lildeer...thanks for sharing :)
I'd missed her post earlier and just read it. Beautiful! :blowkiss:

[STEADFAST]

Oh yes, take the shuttle to the airport, but I also meant someone waiting to take him via car somewhere else. The truck could be "planted" to look like he left from the airport. Mike Brooks also said someone else could've been registered at the Inn and he was with them. So many possibilities I don't envy LE at all in their search!

Being a Marine, he could have friends all over the country. But how many would harbor him, hearing what transpired? I think it's family.

[STEADFAST]

I'd missed her post earlier and just read it. Beautiful! :blowkiss:

I know! I got chills when it got to the part where it turns out she kept her lovely daughter.:woohoo:

[SuziQ]

NANCY GRACE
Manhunt for Laurean Centers on Durham, North Carolina
Aired January 14, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/14/ng.01.html

[fran]

seven:



I'm not sure that Maria felt she could go to her mother after the phone conversation they had. Rememeber, her mother did supposedly say in this phone conversation she felt that Maria should put the baby up for adoption.

Ok.......maybe now is the time to tell my story. I am adopted. My MOM AND DAD adopted me when I was close to 2 years old. When I was 20, I foolishly had intimate relations with a man and got pregnant. My mother felt that being single I should go to a home for unwed mothers and give the baby up for adoption.

I did go tp the home. I gave birth to a baby girl. My mother had me convinced that I should give this baby up, even though by now I was wavering on that decision. (very close to due date) She brought me a ticket to go to California to stay with some friends to think it over. after I had given birth. I did, I spent a week there, thinking and thinking. It was hard for me.........one as an adoptee and knowing that adopted parents can be loving and good parents and also as a natural mother.

I came home............and today my daughter is 29 and blessed me with two beautiful grandaughters.

Why did I type all of the above? To give you all maybe some of the thoughts/feelings/emotions, etc. that Maria might have been going through along with her mother too.

The glaring difference between Maria and I, is that Gabriel's alledged father was in the picture, my baby's father wasn't.

Littledeer:

Thank you for taking the time to tell 'your story.' You're so sweet. :)

I think that anyone here who is a mother, can understand where Maria was coming from, and you TOO!

The bond between a mother and child, not even yet born, is unbelieveable!
I know, been there, done that...................but not as an adopted child........IMHO, it would mean MORE to that individual.

You not only were blessed with a beautiful daughter and then wonderful grandchildren..................They were blessed to share their life with you.

That's what makes Websleuths so great! A community of human beings with a multitude of life experiences, coming together to blend their ideas and feelings into ONE case and toss them to another scenario. We may not always agree, but we're here for one purpose, to help the victim(s).

Thanks again for sharing.

:blowkiss:
fran

[fran]

Oh yes, take the shuttle to the airport, but I also meant someone waiting to take him via car somewhere else. The truck could be "planted" to look like he left from the airport. Mike Brooks also said someone else could've been registered at the Inn and he was with them. So many possibilities I don't envy LE at all in their search!

ON another note, it was only 1/2 mile to the airport from the motel. Honestly, how difficult would that be for a Marine to walk?

IMHO, not much..........

fran

[Tom'sGirl]

ON another note, it was only 1/2 mile to the airport from the motel. Honestly, how difficult would that be