Christina Laurean's Possible Involvement

[SeriouslySearching]

His comments (Sheriff Brown) on the wife to me were glaring with the reality she has been telling them she had no involvement, but they don't believe her story. It also makes me believe they do not have an immunity agreement with her...yet. The Sheriff was making that clear in the statement he made about her being a witness TODAY. As they are gathering evidence in this case, they are also questioning her knowledge and involvement. She could very well be a player and everything she has done was to set up her husband for killing the woman who threatened her life as she knew it. The only thing we know for certain is that she is a former Marine.

I have questions for her:

1. How long have you known about Maria L. and how did you gain this knowledge? Did you have personal contact with Maria? What was your knowledge of the rape charges against your husband? When did you find out about her pregnancy? Were you aware they were waiting on her child to be born to determine paternity and it would be a key element in that case? Were you aware of the protective orders taken out against your husband?
2. Were you jealous? Your husband possibly either raped or had an affair with Maria. Either way, you have been betrayed if the child turns out to be his. Were you angry when you found he had been accused? Did you ever confront Maria about the charges or the child she was carrying?
3. Where were you when this woman was being brutally slain in your home?
4. Where did you think your husband was during this time?
5. Where was your child?
6. When this woman went missing, your husband was seen parking her car in your driveway. Did you see the vehicle? Did you ever drive or ride in the vehicle? Did you ever ask your husband who the vehicle belonged to or why he was driving it? Did you go with your husband to leave the vehicle where it was found by LE?
7. Did you purchase a bus ticket to El Paso, TX on Dec. 15th?
8. What reason did your husband give for tearing out part of your back fence and burning it in your backyard? Digging a "cavity"? Was the the hole in the back fence the reason you then took your dog and child to the front yard? Was this "fire pit" used for a BBQ after Dec. 15th? Who attended?
9. Where is the bedding or furniture from the room where they found blood evidence? Carpeting? Clothes that could have been out and may have blood on them? Lamps? You have blood on your ceiling and in another place in your home. Obviously, blood did not just appear on the ceiling and not on other things in the room. What is missing from your home since Dec. 15th?
10. Someone tried to clean it up the mess, did you help? Where are the rags, the mop, the gloves, or anything else used in this attempt such as trash bags? Who bought the bleach or other items to clean this horrific scene? Who bought the paint? Did you help with the painting as a neighbor has suggested? Where are the receipts and what dates were all of the above items purchased?
11. After finding the note left by your husband, why didn't you pick up the phone immediately and dial 911? Did you go into the backyard to investigate his claims? How long did you stay in the home after finding out a woman was brutally murdered in your home? Did you see your husband on the day he left? What time and what did you discuss?

These are questions I would want answers to for starters. You would think that LE has already asked her, but also in the Sheriff's interviews...he has implied for now they are not asking the hard questions of her, but allowing her to provide information and stick to her story. I would consider it giving her enough rope myself. They don't want her to "lawyer up". When they find him, they want to hear his side of the story and see if he implicates her in this murder.

Please feel free to move your posts over here about Christina Laurean's inconsistent statements and actions. We need to take a close look at her involvement, if any, in this case.

[calidreamin]

Christina is really sounding off my hinky meter. If she truly didn't know what happend then where was she when he murderd her in their home? Where was she when he was cleaning up that whole mess? where was she when he was burning Maria and baby in their backyard? Did she really wake up to find a note from her husband at 4;00 am or did she help him escape and he really left at a different time?

[golfmom]

Christina is really sounding off my hinky meter. If she truly didn't know what happend then where was she when he murderd her in their home? Where was she when he was cleaning up that whole mess? where was she when he was burning Maria and baby in their backyard? Did she really wake up to find a note from her husband at 4;00 am or did she help him escape and he really left at a different time?

Per Christina's father she had a conversation with him trying to get him to turn himself in before he left. I can't understand why she didn't call the police immediately instead of waiting until she "found" his note.

[golfmom]

Things that make me go hmmmmmmm . . . how on earth could Christina miss:

Husband in a flurry of activity painting rooms and ceilings.
Husband cleaning house.
Husband doing landscaping.
Husband burning stuff in a firepit.
Strange car in driveway.

[Jaded]

cali, mine, too. I just don't see how she wouldn't be suspicious about fresh paint and the side of the fence being ripped out. I have never cleaned massive amounts of blood off of walls, but wouldn't it leave some residual stain? Wouldn't she have noticed that the walls were clean or smelled the cleaning products?

Did the neighbors say the Laurean's also have a dog? If the yard is fenced, you would assume the dog was able to run around in the backyard prior to and now wouldn't be able to. How did POS keep the dog from digging in the back and wouldn't wife ask WTH is the deal with taking the fence down? It just seems to me that she would ask him what was up with all that. I think she knew and certainly could be an accomplice.

[close_enough]

Things that make me go hmmmmmmm . . . how on earth could Christina miss:

Husband in a flurry of activity painting rooms and ceilings.
Husband cleaning house.
Husband doing landscaping.
Husband burning stuff in a firepit.
Strange car in driveway.

i'm with cali...Christina is starting to sound off my hinkey meter, but i need to know more....see, i can lay most of the above off on Christina possibly being stupid/gullible/naive, so in love with Cesar that she could take him for his word about things....like Cesar was the type to have an answer for everything & it's possible she would simply believe him.....there ARE women out there like this......i need to know where she was on the 15th of Dec

eta....the only problem i have w/Christina right now is, she said she found the note at 4 am, but the neighbor is positive that Christina & Cesar were outside talking at 6:30 am, the day he fled....that bothers me

eta again....course it's possible she found the note at 4 am....woke up while Cesar was getting ready to flee...as he was going outside, she followed & they argued, & that's what the neighbor heard....?

[calidreamin]

Things that make me go hmmmmmmm . . . how on earth could Christina miss:

Husband in a flurry of activity painting rooms and ceilings.
Husband cleaning house.
Husband doing landscaping.
Husband burning stuff in a firepit.
Strange car in driveway.

I forgot about the strange car in the driveway golfmom! Now how in the world did she "miss" that?

[calidreamin]

i'm with cali...Christina is starting to sound off my hinkey meter, but i need to know more....see, i can lay most of the above off on Christina possibly being stupid/gullible/naive, so in love with Cesar that she could take him for his word about things....like Cesar was the type to have an answer for everything & it's possible she would simply believe him.....there ARE women out there like this......i need to know where she was on the 15th

eta....the only problem i have w/Christina right now is, she said she found the note at 4 am, but the neighbor is positive that Christina & Cesar were outside talking at 6:30 am, the day he fled....that bothers me

eta again....course it's possible she found the note at 4 am....woke up while Cesar was getting ready to flee...as he was going outside, she followed & they argued, & that's what the neighbor heard....?

I know what you mean Close, we need to know where she was on the 15th. If she wasn't home for an entire day then maybe. I just think the whole process of murdering Maria and cleaning and painting the scene and burning her in the backyard would take a long time. For her not to know she would have had to have bee gone at least a day.

[close_enough]

I know what you mean Close, we need to know where she was on the 15th. If she wasn't home for an entire day then maybe. I just think the whole process of murdering Maria and cleaning and painting the scene and burning her in the backyard would take a long time. For her not to know she would have had to have bee gone at least a day.

exactly....i really wish this info would get leaked by someone...we need leaks!!!...seems we'd have a clearer picture, as far as Christina goes...

[golfmom]

eta again....course it's possible she found the note at 4 am....woke up while Cesar was getting ready to flee...as he was going outside, she followed & they argued, & that's what the neighbor heard....?

So, do you think that she had her conversation asking him to turn himself in prior to or after finding the note? hmmm or is it possible she found the note and called him before alerting LE ? ? ?

[STEADFAST]

I forgot about the strange car in the driveway golfmom! Now how in the world did she "miss" that?

I cannot believe that Christina did not recognize the car of the woman who was claiming to have had an affair with her husband, let alone claiming he raped her.

[close_enough]

So, do you think that she had her conversation asking him to turn himself in prior to or after finding the note? hmmm or is it possible she found the note and called him before alerting LE ? ? ?

gosh, i guess all of the above is possible.....it's just that the neighbor said his wife was positive she heard Cesar & Christina talking, apparently loudly, at 6:30 am, sooooooo i'm starting to think that Christina alerted LE after arguing with Cesar about leaving...didn't someone say that Christina didn't notify LE about the note until around 8 am????......the neighbor said Cesar's truck was gone out of the drive by 8 that morning also....

[golfmom]

gosh, i guess all of the above is possible.....it's just that the neighbor said his wife was positive she heard Cesar & Christina talking, apparently loudly, at 6:30 am, sooooooo i'm starting to think that Christina alerted LE after arguing with Cesar about leaving...didn't someone say that Christina didn't notify LE about the note until around 8 am????......the neighbor said Cesar's truck was gone out of the drive by 8 that morning also....

We need a timeline for Christina as well, but obviously need a lot more information. My understanding was she reported to the base command and then in turn they contacted local LE. :bang:

[close_enough]

I cannot believe that Christina did not recognize the car of the woman who was claiming to have had an affair with her husband, let alone claiming he raped her.

do you think there could have been a way for her to not know about the rape allegation?...i mean, couldn't the military have kept all of this to themselves as part of a privacy thing?...i don't know how those things work, but i wouldn't think the military would have to call his wife & tell her about it....i seriously doubt that Cesar told her anything....

are you thinking that Maria called & told Christina that she was carrying Cesar's child?

[Jaded]

http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/search.jsp?accountId=3140821

Apparently the Laurean's were selling things on the Lejeune Yard Sales site.

[JanetElaine]

Things that make me go hmmmmmmm . . . how on earth could Christina miss:

Husband in a flurry of activity painting rooms and ceilings.
Husband cleaning house.
Husband doing landscaping.
Husband burning stuff in a firepit.
Strange car in driveway.

I have to play devil's advocate a little bit... sorry.... lol.

I think whether she would have noticed these things or not, has a lot to do with the way Cesar and Christina used to live. I have missed a lot about this and am playing catch-up, so forgive me if it was said elsewhere already. But,

if I look at how me and my husband live:
- we both clean house, so that wouldn't seem strange to me
- our house isn't 'done', so whenever he feels like it or had a slow day at work, I can walk in on him painting walls/doors/ceilings
- he's the one that does our landscaping (what little we have ;))
- he's always burning something or other in the firepit to reduce trash (yes he's trying to be environmentally safe with what he burns)
- somehow when someone needs to park their car for a while, it always ends up it our house. We have the space for it. It's always his family or buddies and I don't even bother to ask who's it is anymore, as long as it isn't in my way, lol.

Now I don't know if you can apply all or any of this to their living situation, BUT I am just saying, when I look at those things they don't neccessarily strike me as odd. If you're not used to your husband doing anything around the house, you're bound to look at that list different than me.... and since we're all different here... KWIM? Just wanted to throw this out here. (And since people were asking HOW could she have missed that? Well... *points up* lol).

ETA I'm also not saying she missed it, from what I've read I don't think any of this was the case with them, I think she knows more, haven't definitely made up my mind about what I really think her role was in this (only afterwards cleaning up or in the whole thing) BUT I think she was involved.

[SeriouslySearching]

We need a timeline for Christina as well, but obviously need a lot more information. My understanding was she reported to the base command and then in turn they contacted local LE. :bang:I would LOVE to hear the timeline of her events for Dec. 14th until she turned in the note to the base. :eek:

[close_enough]

http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/search.jsp?accountId=3140821

Apparently the Laurean's were selling things on the Lejeune Yard Sales site.

you're coming up with some cool sites...thanks:)

i saved the lejeune underground link

[STEADFAST]

I would LOVE to hear the timeline of her events for Dec. 14th until she turned in the note to the base. :eek:

Me, too! And I have a feeling we will be hearing that information during a trial.

[Jaded]

you're coming up with some cool sites...thanks:)

i saved the lejeune underground link

http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/sellerprofile.jsp?accountID=3140821

Her profile on lejeuneyardsales.

[STEADFAST]

do you think there could have been a way for her to not know about the rape allegation?...i mean, couldn't the military have kept all of this to themselves as part of a privacy thing?...i don't know how those things work, but i wouldn't think the military would have to call his wife & tell her about it....i seriously doubt that Cesar told her anything....

are you thinking that Maria called & told Christina that she was carrying Cesar's child?

I did read that Christina was aware of the allegations -- I'll go try to find that and confirm.

[close_enough]

I have to play devil's advocate a little bit... sorry.... lol.

I think whether she would have noticed these things or not, has a lot to do with the way Cesar and Christina used to live. I have missed a lot about this and am playing catch-up, so forgive me if it was said elsewhere already. But,

if I look at how me and my husband live:
- we both clean house, so that wouldn't seem strange to me
- our house isn't 'done', so whenever he feels like it or had a slow day at work, I can walk in on him painting walls/doors/ceilings
- he's the one that does our landscaping (what little we have ;))
- he's always burning something or other in the firepit to reduce trash (yes he's trying to be environmentally safe with what he burns)
- somehow when someone needs to park their car for a while, it always ends up it our house. We have the space for it. It's always his family or buddies and I don't even bother to ask who's it is anymore, as long as it isn't in my way, lol.

Now I don't know if you can apply all or any of this to their living situation, BUT I am just saying, when I look at those things they don't neccessarily strike me as odd. If you're not used to your husband doing anything around the house, you're bound to look at that list different than me.... and since we're all different here... KWIM? Just wanted to throw this out here. (And since people were asking HOW could she have missed that? Well... *points up* lol).

yes, you make a very good point!...

about the car; if we had a strange car in the driveway, i wouldn't think a thing about hubby telling me it's a friends, & i'm going to put new brake pads on it for them this weekend....

now if i walked in & he was painting the house, i'd be like:eek:

[close_enough]

I did read that Christina was aware of the allegations -- I'll go try to find that and confirm.

cool!...thanks

i've read little to nothing about Christina, other than speculation...interesting if she knew about the allegation of rape...

[Jaded]

According to the LU site, it looks like the items Christina listed have recently been deleted (within the last two days) and all of them were listed in January.

[golfmom]

According to the LU site, it looks like the items Christina listed have recently been deleted (within the last two days) and all of them were listed in January.

I've been unsuccessfully try to find them through GOOGLE cache. Maybe someone else will have been luck.

[JanetElaine]

yes, you make a very good point!...

about the car; if we had a strange car in the driveway, i wouldn't think a thing about hubby telling me it's a friends, & i'm going to put new brake pads on it for them this weekend....

now if i walked in & he was painting the house, i'd be like:eek:

LOL! Hey my husband sounds almost perfect now maybe, but I can assure you he isn't. ;) lmao

I'm curious if anyone on here knows if what I described above about how we live, if any of that could have been possible for them... like do we know how big their driveway and yard are etc.?

[close_enough]

http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/sellerprofile.jsp?accountID=3140821

Her profile on lejeuneyardsales.

hmmmm......thanks again

[BritDees]

Close, I may be wrong, but I thought the neighbor said his wife was sitting outside the night before Laurean left and was kind of evesdropping on Laurean and Christina who were also outside talking/arguing. Then the next morning the neighbors wife took the dogs for a walk at 6:30 and saw Laurean. But by the time their child/children caught the bus for school (8ish) his truck was gone. So that made the statement from Christina, that the POS had left at 4am, bogus.

At least that's my recollection of what the neighbor said.

[golfmom]

They reported what time she found the note, but not what time she called NCIS.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/01/marine_corpsreaction_080115/

Laurean’s wife, Christina, contacted NCIS on Friday and told them she had found a handwritten note from her husband in the couple’s home around 4 a.m. The note gave information about Lauterbach’s death and said she had committed suicide.

[close_enough]

They reported what time she found the note, but not what time she called NCIS.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/01/marine_corpsreaction_080115/

Laurean’s wife, Christina, contacted NCIS on Friday and told them she had found a handwritten note from her husband in the couple’s home around 4 a.m. The note gave information about Lauterbach’s death and said she had committed suicide.

HEY...i found it in this timeline by the sheriff....NCIS contacted the sheriff at 9 am, about the note Christina found at 4 am, the morning Cesar fled...

here's the video .... sheriff's timeline of events

http://www.wtov9.com/video/15044379/index.html

[BritDees]

Thanks Golfmom.

I thought I had read that when she found the note at 4 am her husband was already gone.. or something like that.

[golfmom]

HEY...i found it in this timeline by the sheriff....NCIS contacted the sheriff at 9 am, about the note Christina found at 4 am, the morning Cesar fled...

here's the video .... sheriff's timeline of events

http://www.wtov9.com/video/15044379/index.html

CE, could you please give the highlights. For the life of me I can't get it to work. sigh ... new computer ... vista .... aaaaaaacccccckkkkkkkk

[close_enough]

Close, I may be wrong, but I thought the neighbor said his wife was sitting outside the night before Laurean left and was kind of evesdropping on Laurean and Christina who were also outside talking/arguing. Then the next morning the neighbors wife took the dogs for a walk at 6:30 and saw Laurean. But by the time their child/children caught the bus for school (8ish) his truck was gone. So that made the statement from Christina, that the POS had left at 4am, bogus.

At least that's my recollection of what the neighbor said.

thanks BritDees:)
....yes, Cesar was at the home at 6:30 am, & was gone by 8 am....it falls into place now better....Christina, more than likely, called right at around 8 am to report the note, because the Sheriff said he rec'd the info at 9 am from NCIS.....

[lkd-ga]

It ha been reported that she found the note at 4:00am. But I think I also heard she confronted him about the note and him saying it was a suicide.
Could this be part of the delay in her reporting the note. I think I also heard
she contact her father and the the military police before Brown was notified.

[close_enough]

CE, could you please give the highlights. For the life of me I can't get it to work. sigh ... new computer ... vista .... aaaaaaacccccckkkkkkkk

sheriff's timeline

yes....on or about Dec 15th Maria was killed....

this is where it doesn't jibe with the military timeline...sheriff states that on the evening of Dec 15th, Sgt Durham finds the note & notifies Maria's family that she may have left....(the military timeline shows that Durham notified Maria's sister on Dec 14th)

at around 9 am, Jan 11th, NCIS notified the sheriff about the note that Christina says she found at 4 am....it's believed that Cesar was gone when the note was found.......

eta...i think the sheriff might have made a mistake on the day that Durham found Maria's note...i read somewhere that it was on a Friday that Durham said her car was there when he left that day, then he came home & found the note, & her car & belongings were gone....i tend to think Durham found the note on the 14th, like the military timeline points ......

[golfmom]

Thank you! between adjusting to the new computer and all the server overloads around here I'm tearing my hair out.

:blowkiss:

[close_enough]

Christina has to be lying then, IMO.....i guess i'm putting too much into the neighbor's statements, but the guy was so sure that his wife saw Cesar at 6:30 am, & then at 8 am Cesar's vehicle was gone......on January 11th....

[golfmom]

Christina has to be lying then, IMO.....i guess i'm putting too much into the neighbor's statements, but the guy was so sure that his wife saw Cesar at 6:30 am, & then at 8 am Cesar's vehicle was gone......on January 11th....

Well, we haven't found an official source that states that when she woke up and found the note that he was gone. It could be that she did find the note between 4-4:30 a.m. and Cesar was still in the house. They discussed/argued about what to do and he finally jumped in his truck and took off before 8:00 and she in turn called NCIS.

[close_enough]

Well, we haven't found an official source that states that when she woke up and found the note that he was gone. It could be that she did find the note between 4-4:30 a.m. and Cesar was still in the house. They discussed/argued about what to do and he finally jumped in his truck and took off before 8:00 and she in turn called NCIS.

that's exactly how i think it went down....

the sheriff does say "it's believed that he was gone when the note was found"...he didn't say it was fact....

[lkd-ga]

Her dad stated on an interview that she called him before calling authorities.
Did she call him fo advice or maybe o come and get his granddaughter. I do
not think she would have contacted Le before making arrangements for daughter.

Also, Where is she from originally. Is she also from Ohio, Did she know victim
before she joined marines

[glezell]

yes, you make a very good point!...

about the car; if we had a strange car in the driveway, i wouldn't think a thing about hubby telling me it's a friends, & i'm going to put new brake pads on it for them this weekend....

now if i walked in & he was painting the house, i'd be like:eek:

But, if my husband was accused of rape, or at the very least having an affair, I would know what kind of car the woman drove!

And I agree with the above poster that it depends on how they usually do things, but I don't know any men (i am sure someone would say their husband would, I just don't know any personally) that would choose a color. Unless they had already bought paint and selected a color, my husband would NEVER choose a color without my input because he wouldn't want to redo it when I didn't like it!!! Maybe he just used Kiltz or a base white type paint in preparation and that wouldn't look suspicious to her, but I still have my doubts about how she would not know....

[glezell]

Oh, and I would bet she was the one who helped to take the car to the bus station. Someone had to drive another vehicle. And, it never occured to anyone in LE to ask why she would take a bus if she had a car?? It would never cross my mind to take the bus if I had a reliable car. Bus rides are long with all the stops....

[golfmom]

http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7614196&nav=ZolHbyvj

Brown says tests show blood in two areas of Laurean's home...and that someone tried to hide the blood by painting over it. Investigators say luminol, a chemical used to detect traces of blood, revealed that there was a large amount of blood before the attempted cleanup.

Nancy Grace reported that there was blood on the ceiling. This had to be a major clean up, painting effort ... besides burning and burying the body.

How did he possibly have the time to do this without his wife finding out????

[calidreamin]

But, if my husband was accused of rape, or at the very least having an affair, I would know what kind of car the woman drove!

And I agree with the above poster that it depends on how they usually do things, but I don't know any men (i am sure someone would say their husband would, I just don't know any personally) that would choose a color. Unless they had already bought paint and selected a color, my husband would NEVER choose a color without my input because he wouldn't want to redo it when I didn't like it!!! Maybe he just used Kiltz or a base white type paint in preparation and that wouldn't look suspicious to her, but I still have my doubts about how she would not know....
I agree with you on both counts. If my husband was accused of such a thing I would find everything about her I possibly could, including her car! My husband would never pick out a color on his own either, maybe there are some guys who would but I think that is very unusual.

[calidreamin]

http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7614196&nav=ZolHbyvj

Brown says tests show blood in two areas of Laurean's home...and that someone tried to hide the blood by painting over it. Investigators say luminol, a chemical used to detect traces of blood, revealed that there was a large amount of blood before the attempted cleanup.
Nancy Grace reported that there was blood on the ceiling. This had to be a major clean up, painting effort ... besides burning and burying the body.

How did he possibly have the time to do this without his wife finding out????

The amount of time that had to go into the clean up of the house and the disposal of her body would have taken hours if not a couple of days. Unless she had gone out of town I would find it very implousible that she didn't know.

[close_enough]

But, if my husband was accused of rape, or at the very least having an affair, I would know what kind of car the woman drove!

And I agree with the above poster that it depends on how they usually do things, but I don't know any men (i am sure someone would say their husband would, I just don't know any personally) that would choose a color. Unless they had already bought paint and selected a color, my husband would NEVER choose a color without my input because he wouldn't want to redo it when I didn't like it!!! Maybe he just used Kiltz or a base white type paint in preparation and that wouldn't look suspicious to her, but I still have my doubts about how she would not know....

see, i still haven't heard if Christina was even aware of the rape allegation against Cesar....Steadfast was going to try to find a link regarding this, but i think there's just too much to sift thru that maybe she couldn't find it.....

i'd like to know if she knew or not.....

[close_enough]

Thank you! between adjusting to the new computer and all the server overloads around here I'm tearing my hair out.

:blowkiss:

you are welcome:)

[Ticamom]

Camp Lejeune is a not such a huge base that people don't know each other. I am sure Xtina knew about Maria and probably about the rape allegations. Rumors were pprobably swirling and I am sure POS enlisted his buddies to help harrass Maria and try to scare her off. I am sure that Maria's car was known to Xtina; she might even have been the one to key the car.


I posted this opinion of Xtina on Thread #7, but I want to repeat it here if thats okay:


" If Xtina is so innocent in all this, why isn't she showing her face on national tv, begging POS to give himself up ? Why isn't she making it clear as the blue sky that she had no involvement in Maria's murder ? Why is she hiding ? Why did her mother refuse to make any comment when she was interviewed ? Why did her dad seem to be lying and making things up on said news report ?

Why ? Because she is guilty of helping POS kill her and / or clean up the crime scene and bury-burn Maria and Gabriel. That is why she won't show her face anywhere. She is afraid we will see the truth in her eyes. Nancy Grace would have her on her knees sobbing out the truth in a matter of minutes !

Here in Costa Rica there is a saying in Spanish, " El que calla otorga " that means " one who is silent admits his/ her guilt " I think that is the case with Christina. She is silent, because she KNOWS her part in all this. And she is afraid. Very afraid now that she is alone and cannot escape to where POS is."


I am sure that Xtina had a role in Maria's murder and cover up. I feel it in my gut. I can't explain it.

[close_enough]

http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7614196&nav=ZolHbyvj

Brown says tests show blood in two areas of Laurean's home...and that someone tried to hide the blood by painting over it. Investigators say luminol, a chemical used to detect traces of blood, revealed that there was a large amount of blood before the attempted cleanup.

Nancy Grace reported that there was blood on the ceiling. This had to be a major clean up, painting effort ... besides burning and burying the body.

How did he possibly have the time to do this without his wife finding out????

i don't know, but surely LE has put this question to her....wish i had been a fly on the wall when she was first interviewed....wonder what the two areas were....i heard that painting was going to be done, or WAS done, in the garage...i believe that was per a neighbor...

[glezell]

I wonder if he didn't agree to take the blame, write the letter to take suspicion off his wife (they still have a child to think about although I question how much they thought about the child during the planning of the murder), and he knew with his mexican citizenship, he had the best chance of making it there, blending in, finding family and eventually work. Maybe they looked at it like, it is either me stay, and both of us take the fall, or he leaves, takes the blame and hides out.

[JanetElaine]

I agree with you on both counts. If my husband was accused of such a thing I would find everything about her I possibly could, including her car! My husband would never pick out a color on his own either, maybe there are some guys who would but I think that is very unusual.

I'm the one who brought that up, and I agree with both of these as well. My husband doesn't pick out the colors either, besides from being colorblind he couldn't care less and since I do care, I choose them.

I wouldn't bet my DD's life on it, but I am almost 100% certain that there is no way Christina did not know who's car that was.

About what glezell said (how hopefully LE thought of it being odd that Maria had a bus ticket, why would Maria take the bus to El Paso if she had her own car to drive): with gas prices being high, wouldn't going on a bus be a lot cheaper? Devil's advocate again lol.

[close_enough]

The amount of time that had to go into the clean up of the house and the disposal of her body would have taken hours if not a couple of days. Unless she had gone out of town I would find it very implousible that she didn't know.

i guess i'm going to have to agree...unless she was out of town it's hard to believe he could do such a major coverup that fast, if there was THAT much blood:(.....

[JanetElaine]

I wonder if he didn't agree to take the blame, write the letter to take suspicion off his wife (they still have a child to think about although I question how much they thought about the child during the planning of the murder), and he knew with his mexican citizenship, he had the best chance of making it there, blending in, finding family and eventually work. Maybe they looked at it like, it is either me stay, and both of us take the fall, or he leaves, takes the blame and hides out.

Exactly and then down the line, when it all 'blows over', they can be 'happy families' again, either in the US or in Mexico. Me and hubby did the long distance thing while married, sure beats having to visit him on death row (I'd imagine). :rolleyes:

[JanetElaine]

i guess i'm going to have to agree...unless she was out of town it's hard to believe he could do such a major coverup that fast, if there was THAT much blood:(.....

And I imagine they have furniture, too. The blood cannot only have been on the wall(s) and ceiling and not on tables, couch etc.... also takes time to clean up...

[close_enough]

And I imagine they have furniture, too. The blood cannot only have been on the wall(s) and ceiling and not on tables, couch etc.... also takes time to clean up...

yep....(shivers)

[close_enough]

I'm the one who brought that up, and I agree with both of these as well. My husband doesn't pick out the colors either, besides from being colorblind he couldn't care less and since I do care, I choose them.

I wouldn't bet my DD's life on it, but I am almost 100% certain that there is no way Christina did not know who's car that was.

About the driving her own car to El Paso vs. taking a bus: with gas prices being high, wouldn't going on a bus be a lot cheaper? Devil's advocate again lol.

what do you mean, Janet?....that Christina was maybe going to use the bus ticket to El Paso?

[golfmom]

And I imagine they have furniture, too. The blood cannot only have been on the wall(s) and ceiling and not on tables, couch etc.... also takes time to clean up...

Yep ... he had TWO ROOMS to clean and paint plus dispose of her body
Don't forget carpeting ... or whatever flooring

Plus you have to clean up your clean up gear ...
Mops; Rags -- need to be washed or disposed of
Maybe those he burned along with Maria :(

[calidreamin]

Exactly and then down the line, when it all 'blows over', they can be 'happy families' again, either in the US or in Mexico. Me and hubby did the long distance thing while married, sure beats having to visit him on death row (I'd imagine). :rolleyes:
This is a good possibilty and makes alot of sense.

[JanetElaine]

Oh, and I would bet she was the one who helped to take the car to the bus station. Someone had to drive another vehicle. And, it never occured to anyone in LE to ask why she would take a bus if she had a car?? It would never cross my mind to take the bus if I had a reliable car. Bus rides are long with all the stops....

what do you mean, Janet?....that Christina was maybe going to use the bus ticket to El Paso?

My apologies, close_enough! No, that's not what I meant. That was in reply to the quote from glezell above yours. I will go edit my post to clarify. See what I get for being lazy and not looking up the actual post I replied to... :o

[Pharlap]

You know this wife is as sick as her husband.
What gets me besides everything else is, they had bbq's on the grave...OMG.
sry had to vent....

[calidreamin]

what do you mean, Janet?....that Christina was maybe going to use the bus ticket to El Paso?
Maybe she was planning on leaving, couldn't take the pressure. So she buys a bus ticket and then he gets to her first. I could see her not wanting to drive herself all the way to El Paso being as pregnant as she was.:mad:

[calidreamin]

You know this wife is as sick as her husband.
What gets me besides everything else is, they had bbq's on the grave...OMG.
sry had to vent....

I know I was disgusted when I heard that! Sick sick sick!

[Rum Tum Tugger]

Close, I may be wrong, but I thought the neighbor said his wife was sitting outside the night before Laurean left and was kind of evesdropping on Laurean and Christina who were also outside talking/arguing. Then the next morning the neighbors wife took the dogs for a walk at 6:30 and saw Laurean. But by the time their child/children caught the bus for school (8ish) his truck was gone. So that made the statement from Christina, that the POS had left at 4am, bogus.

At least that's my recollection of what the neighbor said.


BritDees - you are 100% correct in your recollection. I posted the same information a day or so ago when FOX initially aired that neighbor interview footage. I had it recorded and listened to that particular segment 3 times to be sure I heard it accurately - as some posters were relaying inaccurate info.

The neighbor's wife did not tell her husband that she saw Christina outside at 6:30 AM - only Cesar. The sighting of both of the Laureans apparently arguing out in front of their home was the evening before - and both of the neighbors saw/heard them. (wife trying to overhear their actual conversation according to husband)

Side Note: Greta will be back "On The Record" tonight - so, I hope this neighbor interview footage will be aired again - since it was her producer, Steph Watts, who got the interview while she was overseas.


Also - just to clarify something ...

Posters here have been "assuming" that Christina "called" the authorities at 8 A.M.. No, not necessarily.

It was stated that she "contacted" the authorities. She did - she arrived at the Base at 8 A.M. with "the note" in hand. The Base personnel contacted Sheriff Brown. By 9 A.M. - the Sheriff had the note.

My point is "contact" does not necessarily translate to a phone call. No one, in any report I've heard, has said Christina "called" the authorities.

SO - "IF" Christina confronted Cesar - argued with him - tried to get him to contact authorities as her father has suggested in that early morning timeframe of 4-6:30 AM - then perhaps, beginning at 6:30 - she was getting herself & her daughter ready before arriving at the Base at 8 AM. Hey, that's just an hour & a half between the time Cesar supposedly departed the home and Christina's arrival at the Base.

Just thinking of all the possibilities ....

Does that scenario make sense to anyone?

Coming up NOW on FOX - info on Christina (because the viewers have asked!)

Rum Tum

[golfmom]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322285,00.html

Before fleeing Jacksonville early Friday, Laurean left a note saying Lauterbach had "come to his residence and cut her (own) throat," Brown said. He confirmed that authorities had received the note from Laurean's wife, Christina, around 8 a.m. Friday, about four hours after they believe the suspect fled. But Brown also said: "That didn’t happen that way."

[JanetElaine]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322285,00.html

Before fleeing Jacksonville early Friday, Laurean left a note saying Lauterbach had "come to his residence and cut her (own) throat," Brown said. He confirmed that authorities had received the note from Laurean's wife, Christina, around 8 a.m. Friday, about four hours after they believe the suspect fled. But Brown also said: "That didn’t happen that way."

Rut-roh. Can't wait to see this one unfold.

[Pharlap]

Look to the right and a little down.
Has the video of it.

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

[shdbepaintin]

I 100% agree that if xtina new anything about Maria, she knew what
car she drove, where she lived, her routine everything.
weither she believed POS about his involvement with Maria or not,
if she new ANYTHING, rape charges, affair, anything connecting him and her, she knew a lot of details about Maria. Just went through this with
my Niece this past summer. We followed the girl and the cheater, we knew what car she drove, her license plate, where she lived, her myspace page. Niece checked Cheaters cell phone constantly to find texts and voicmails from girl. Girl turned out to be a real nutjob, and with a lot of counseling and arguing and being apart and back together Niece and cheater are trying to work it out. Just a couple of days before Christmas the nutjob girl says she is pregnant. Then last week wants 300 for an abortion. Texts him on saturday and says "it is done"
About the time Niece and cheater are on some solid ground the nutjob comes back to throw something in the mix! Niece still checks cheaters phone. Still questions his actions everyday. NO way in heck could he do anything like painting, burning, or anything that my niece and the rest of us for that matter wouldn't wonder, question and doubt big time.
sorry so long.

[Ticamom]

You know this wife is as sick as her husband.
What gets me besides everything else is, they had bbq's on the grave...OMG.
sry had to vent....

I know ! She cannot be clueless and innocent in all this !!!!!


How could they live there knowing that they had a burned body buried in the backyard ????? How could they have hosted a BBQ practically on the grave ??? Wouldn't there be a terrible stench still ? ( Sorry so graphic ) How could they have preventing any guest from walking over to where the smell was coming from and pehaps asking questions about it ?

Wouldn't it have been so obvious to Xtina to see their fence all torn out and burned, her dog tied to the front yard instead of the back all of a sudden ? He probably didn't let their little daughter wander out in the backyard anymore, huh ? Xtina would have to have been in a coma not to see all the signs. I am so sure she had a hand in all of this.

Or perhaps maybe she was the one who actually killed Maria and now Cesar is the one taking the blame in order to spare their child of losing her mother.

I think maybe he told Maria he had to go home to pick up his atm card and Xtina walked in and caught Maria there. Or maybe she was already there waiting to ambush her. She could have easily struck Maria's head from behind repeatedly, thus resulting in the blunt object head trauma and the blood splatters on ceiling and walls. Then she and POS disposed of Maria together, painted and cleaned walls, furniture, etc. , got rid of and burned rags and cleaning supplies, burned or threw away Maria's belongings and then proceeded to act as if nothing at all had happened. That is, until Sheriff Brown satarted sniffing around and called POS in for questioning. At which time POS lawyered up and refused to cooperate with the investigation. Then POS and Xtina hatched the escape plan. It was easier for him to eacape by himself and then they probably planned for Xtina and child to join him in Mexico later on after it all blew over. They never imagined it would go nationwide so fast. These are just some theories I'm trying out to see what fits.

[golfmom]

Fox just reported (unconfirmed tho) that Christina has received TWO letters from her husband from Texas.

[close_enough]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322285,00.html

Before fleeing Jacksonville early Friday, Laurean left a note saying Lauterbach had "come to his residence and cut her (own) throat," Brown said. He confirmed that authorities had received the note from Laurean's wife, Christina, around 8 a.m. Friday, about four hours after they believe the suspect fled. But Brown also said: "That didn’t happen that way."

i thought his comment "that didn't happen that way" was relating to the letter stating Maria came to his residence & cut her own throat....

[close_enough]

Fox just reported (unconfirmed tho) that Christina has received TWO letters from her husband from Texas.

oooooh!!

[STEADFAST]

Fox just reported (unconfirmed tho) that Christina has received TWO letters from her husband from Texas.

I'd like to read those letters. Wonder if he attempted to explain the blunt force trauma away?

[golfmom]

i thought his comment "that didn't happen that way" was relating to the letter stating Maria came to his residence & cut her own throat....

I assumed that too ... but maybe Brown was referring to Christina's statement rather than the info in the note.

[close_enough]

My apologies, close_enough! No, that's not what I meant. That was in reply to the quote from glezell above yours. I will go edit my post to clarify. See what I get for being lazy and not looking up the actual post I replied to... :o

i got it...thanks:)

[close_enough]

I assumed that too ... but maybe Brown was referring to Christina's statement rather than the info in the note.

could be....we need an updated press conference!

i want to hear about these letters....

[fran]

Fox just reported (unconfirmed tho) that Christina has received TWO letters from her husband from Texas.

They said the letters were from Houston and that authorities believe the POS is now hiding in Mexico.

fran

[Pharlap]

They said the letters were from Houston and that authorities believe the POS is now hiding in Mexico.

fran

Well, I think a lot of us thought he was there...
What post date were the letters, do we know?

[fran]

They didn't say what date they were. Just that authorities said she's received two additonal letters from Houston. They didn't discuss the contents.

fran

[JanetElaine]

They said the letters were from Houston and that authorities believe the POS is now hiding in Mexico.

fran

Did anyone else have a 'well duh' reaction to this? :doh:

How would they know btw what kind of mail Christina receives? Maybe a dumb question but do they watch the mail in cases like this, or did she maybe volunteer the info to LE? Just trying to figure out how to view this.

[Ticamom]

Did anyone else have a 'well duh' reaction to this? :doh:

How would they know btw what kind of mail Christina receives? Maybe a dumb question but do they watch the mail in cases like this, or did she maybe volunteer the info to LE? Just trying to figure out how to view this.


How long does it take for mail to travel from Houston to J'ville ?
Was it snail mail or email ?

[golfmom]

There is just a dead silence regarding Christina's activities. I'm just dying to know was she out of town around the time of Maria's disappearance? That's the only way I can at least give her the benefit of the doubt to her involvement.

Doesn't anyone else find it strange that we're not seeing friends/family leaking info.

[Pharlap]

There is just a dead silence regarding Christina's activities. I'm just dying to know was she out of town around the time of Maria's disappearance? That's the only way I can at least give her the benefit of the doubt to her involvement.

Doesn't anyone else find it strange that we're not seeing friends/family leaking info.

They might be all mititary, either know something or don't want to get involved.
OTT , the roommate, we never hear about him..Might be more then meets the eye with him too.

[SLP]

I know ! She cannot be clueless and innocent in all this !!!!!


How could they live there knowing that they had a burned body buried in the backyard ????? How could they have hosted a BBQ practically on the grave ??? Wouldn't there be a terrible stench still ? ( Sorry so graphic ) How could they have preventing any guest from walking over to where the smell was coming from and pehaps asking questions about it ?

Wouldn't it have been so obvious to Xtina to see their fence all torn out and burned, her dog tied to the front yard instead of the back all of a sudden ? He probably didn't let their little daughter wander out in the backyard anymore, huh ? Xtina would have to have been in a coma not to see all the signs. I am so sure she had a hand in all of this.

Or perhaps maybe she was the one who actually killed Maria and now Cesar is the one taking the blame in order to spare their child of losing her mother.

I think maybe he told Maria he had to go home to pick up his atm card and Xtina walked in and caught Maria there. Or maybe she was already there waiting to ambush her. She could have easily struck Maria's head from behind repeatedly, thus resulting in the blunt object head trauma and the blood splatters on ceiling and walls. Then she and POS disposed of Maria together, painted and cleaned walls, furniture, etc. , got rid of and burned rags and cleaning supplies, burned or threw away Maria's belongings and then proceeded to act as if nothing at all had happened. That is, until Sheriff Brown satarted sniffing around and called POS in for questioning. At which time POS lawyered up and refused to cooperate with the investigation. Then POS and Xtina hatched the escape plan. It was easier for him to eacape by himself and then they probably planned for Xtina and child to join him in Mexico later on after it all blew over. They never imagined it would go nationwide so fast. These are just some theories I'm trying out to see what fits.

I am thinking the same thing.

[close_enough]

There is just a dead silence regarding Christina's activities. I'm just dying to know was she out of town around the time of Maria's disappearance? That's the only way I can at least give her the benefit of the doubt to her involvement.

Doesn't anyone else find it strange that we're not seeing friends/family leaking info.

i find it strange..

[SLP]

They might be all mititary, either know something or don't want to get involved.
OTT , the roommate, we never hear about him..Might be more then meets the eye with him too.

That is my opinion on this. I think most of their friends are military and this story has not been good publicity for the marines. Most people in the military probably know that if their face is the one out there fueling this in any way and keeping it in the press more then it would not be taken too well. I am sure the military wants this taken over by a new headline as soon as possible! Even their press conf. yesterday seemed to me more damage control after the Sheriffs statement that he was not responsible for her death.

[golfmom]

Oh Where Oh Where are all the unconfirmed rumors! You would think by now someone who is friends with Christina would have joined to set us straight on her involvement/un-involvement!

[shdbepaintin]

one more thing
during all this time from the 14 or 15 to Jan 11
We have Christmas in there. Did the POS and xtina put
up a Christmas Tree, decorate for Christmas
shop for toys and gifts for his family. Can you even
imagine celebrating anything with all this under your roof
and in your backyard, and on your mind, for either of them.
Boggles the mind.
How could xtina go through whatever motions she went through
with at least some doubt about her Pos Hubby's involvement and
possibly her's.

[close_enough]

Oh Where Oh Where are all the unconfirmed rumors! You would think by now someone who is friends with Christina would have joined to set us straight on her involvement/un-involvement!

you have a point...i'm surprised we haven't gotten one or two 'newbies' here that know of Christina....heck, even Maria, for that matter....hmmm, wonder if CTV has gotten anything like that?

[close_enough]

one more thing
during all this time from the 14 or 15 to Jan 11
We have Christmas in there. Did the POS and xtina put
up a Christmas Tree, decorate for Christmas
shop for toys and gifts for his family. Can you even
imagine celebrating anything with all this under your roof
and in your backyard, and on your mind, for either of them.
Boggles the mind.
How could xtina go through whatever motions she went through
with at least some doubt about her Pos Hubby's involvement and
possibly her's.

gave me the shivers reading your post....i agree, it IS mind boggling

[lkd-ga]

I just read on the Whos Whos tread that Christina was from Ohio, and Maria was also from Ohio. Does anyone know if they were from same art of Ohio

[Rum Tum Tugger]

You know this wife is as sick as her husband.
What gets me besides everything else is, they had bbq's on the grave...OMG.

sry had to vent....


According to the male next door neighbor ...

Cesar borrowed this neighbor's shovel on or about the 17th.

Cesar had a fire burning in the fire pit on the 23rd of December. Then, on Christmas eve the Laureans had a BBQ party in their back yard. The fire pit/grave site was used as a "bonfire". Not used as the BBQ area to cook their food.

SO - according to that one neighbor - there were 2 bonfires set in that pit area. 23rd & 24th.

If Maria was murdered on the 14th or 15th as reports have indicated and Cesar borrowed the shovel on the 17th to dig the fire pit - where was Maria stashed during that timeframe?

Is it feasible that Maria was buried without being incinerated on the 17th when the grave site was created? Where was Christina on the 17th - morning & evening?

Did the odor from a decaying body (and perhaps, a curious dog) prompt Cesar to begin disassembling that portion of his fence and create the bonfire that his neighbor reported initially noticing on the 23rd?

Exactly when did Cesar start tearing out the fence area? the 23rd - day of 1st bonfire?

IF there was an odor in the back yard prior to the grave turning into a bonfire pit - did Christina notice it? Was there dog digging activity?

When was the swing set moved to the front yard?

When was their dog moved from the fenced back yard and staked in the front yard?

What did Christina know - and when did she know it?

So many questions from all of us - so few answers ...

From FOX - Send questions to Bill Hemmer

B Y A - "Because You Asked"

email: Hemmer@FoxNews.com

GolfMom - No, it was reported (by the authorities, maybe the D.A. - don't remember) that Christina was not out of town during the periods in question. (Dec. 14 - Jan. 11) She was living in the marital home during that time.

Rum Tum

[lkd-ga]

WHY, did he tear down part of the fence. Was it just for the wood to burn or was there evidence on the boards that needed to be disposed of.

[shdbepaintin]

WHY, did he tear down part of the fence. Was it just for the wood to burn or was there evidence on the boards that needed to be disposed of.
good questions, I was thinking the same thing
was the section of fence in bad repair?
You would think it would be a bit suspicious to tear down
and burn a good section of fence.
also
why move the swing set to the front yard.
Obviously the 18month old would not be left unattended
so why not just leave it in the backyard even though the
piece of fence is missing.
why not stake dog in backyard even with fence missing,
what is the difference if you are going to stake the
dog in the front yard.
THESE would be things I would be having a fit over,
I would be asking my Husband so many questions, if I did not
KNOW exactly what was going on.
SHe had to know, and she may have played a very big role in all of this.
imo

[golfmom]

Listening to FOX news: Question regarding Christina's involvement.
They are still listing her as a cooperating witness.
She speaks to LE daily
demeanor: lady who's whole world has been turned upside; under a whole lot of scrutiny; if there's any information that she hasn't shared, they are hopeful that she will during future interviews; it's a difficult time; focusing on being a mother to her child; reacting how I would expect her too.

[STEADFAST]

WHY, did he tear down part of the fence. Was it just for the wood to burn or was there evidence on the boards that needed to be disposed of.

Do you suppose he may have beat her with a board from the fence and then burned it in the fire pit? They haven't found the murder weapon that I have heard.

[Pharlap]

Do you suppose he may have beat her with a board from the fence and then burned it in the fire pit? They haven't found the murder weapon that I have heard.

They didn't say(if I am correct) what the weapon was. LE must have a pretty good idea , since the autopsies been done.

[Ticamom]

:eek: I found this thread on the Lejeune Underground site. I dunno if it is true or just speculation, but if it were true, WOW ! :eek:

http://lejeuneunderground.com/topic.jsp?w=&s=0&n=30&topicId=11110527

[lkd-ga]

Do you suppose he may have beat her with a board from the fence and then burned it in the fire pit? They haven't found the murder weapon that I have heard.

That could be a possiablity. According to neighbors they had fires all the time so I would think that he would have a supply of wood on head. So the burning of the wood is strange. Also, did I read some where that he used allot of charcol to burn the body? It was mentioned that he made a large purchase of charcol around the 24th.

[calidreamin]

:eek: I found this thread on the Lejeune Underground site. I dunno if it is true or just speculation, but if it were true, WOW ! :eek:

http://lejeuneunderground.com/topic.jsp?w=&s=0&n=30&topicId=11110527

So they are saying that she sold a vaccumme on their and other household itms in January? HMMMM now that is suspicious. Also everything is deleted now. I wonder if LE is trying to track everything down?:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[golfmom]

:eek: I found this thread on the Lejeune Underground site. I dunno if it is true or just speculation, but if it were true, WOW ! :eek:

http://lejeuneunderground.com/topic.jsp?w=&s=0&n=30&topicId=11110527

:eek: :eek: vacuum cleaner :eek: :eek:

[kato]

Maybe she was planning on leaving, couldn't take the pressure. So she buys a bus ticket and then he gets to her first. I could see her not wanting to drive herself all the way to El Paso being as pregnant as she was.:mad:

I live in Houston and El Paso is sooooooooo far away it might as well be in another state. Its' about 700-750 miles from here.

[lkd-ga]

Maybe she was planning on leaving, couldn't take the pressure. So she buys a bus ticket and then he gets to her first. I could see her not wanting to drive herself all the way to El Paso being as pregnant as she was.:mad:


That makes sense except why El Paso. She had no conection to this area that we know of. That is the part that does not make sense. The other option is that Christina was going to use the ticket.

[STEADFAST]

I second golfmom's :eek::eek: Vacuum Cleaner :eek::eek:

Good to know they've already contacted authorities about this. I thought some posts were insightful. For instance:

I've spent countless hours decorating my house. If my husband out of the blue painted a wall, I'd be pissed.

[paddy01]

I wonder if he didn't agree to take the blame, write the letter to take suspicion off his wife (they still have a child to think about although I question how much they thought about the child during the planning of the murder), and he knew with his mexican citizenship, he had the best chance of making it there, blending in, finding family and eventually work. Maybe they looked at it like, it is either me stay, and both of us take the fall, or he leaves, takes the blame and hides out.

ITA, this makes sense to me. I have believed all along that Christina played more of a role in this then she wants LE and her family to believe.
Also, I don't think he's in Mexico, that's where they want LE to look.

[calidreamin]

I second golfmom's :eek::eek: Vacuum Cleaner :eek::eek:

Good to know they've already contacted authorities about this. I thought some posts were insightful. For instance:

I've spent countless hours decorating my house. If my husband out of the blue painted a wall, I'd be pissed.




LOL I chuckled when I read that comment, how true.

[Pharlap]

That makes sense except why El Paso. She had no conection to this area that we know of. That is the part that does not make sense. The other option is that Christina was going to use the ticket.

Good point. Wonder why she didn't go. Does a buss ticket have an expiration date by any chance? Also a month old.

[calidreamin]

That makes sense except why El Paso. She had no conection to this area that we know of. That is the part that does not make sense. The other option is that Christina was going to use the ticket.

yah I am not sure just speculating of course. Maybe she had friends there or maybe Christina was going to use the ticket and their plans changed.

[KR2tonenow]

I would LOVE to hear the timeline of her events for Dec. 14th until she turned in the note to the base. :eek:

That's what I want to see as well.

[lkd-ga]

I wonder if he didn't agree to take the blame, write the letter to take suspicion off his wife (they still have a child to think about although I question how much they thought about the child during the planning of the murder), and he knew with his mexican citizenship, he had the best chance of making it there, blending in, finding family and eventually work. Maybe they looked at it like, it is either me stay, and both of us take the fall, or he leaves, takes the blame and hides out.


This does make sense. It seems like his escape was very well organized.
Everyone thinking he had already headed south on Friday morning and he went north to Durham. The ticket to El Paso that we are all wondering about
implies that he might be heading that way. Thinking he was in auto driving
south and his auto is sitting in Durham.

[KR2tonenow]

Did anyone else have a 'well duh' reaction to this? :doh:

How would they know btw what kind of mail Christina receives? Maybe a dumb question but do they watch the mail in cases like this, or did she maybe volunteer the info to LE? Just trying to figure out how to view this.

I think this was planned out in advance. Laurean is probably contacting wife before he crossed the border.

So sad they waited so long to catch him, poor Maria/Gabriel!

[lkd-ga]

yah I am not sure just speculating of course. Maybe she had friends there or maybe Christina was going to use the ticket and their plans changed.

I have already ask this question but will ask again. Both Maria and Christina
were from Ohio. Did they know each other previously. Did they have mutual friends. I just find it odd that both are from Ohio.

[lkd-ga]

I think this was planned out in advance. Laurean is probably contacting wife before he crossed the border.

So sad they waited so long to catch him, poor Maria/Gabriel!

This could have been his way of letting her know that he made it but I still think it is his way of taunting LE. He seems to love control and this is a game to him.

[KR2tonenow]

This could have been his way of letting her know that he made it but I still think it is his way of taunting LE. He seems to love control and this is a game to him.

Sick game indeed! He definitely had to get help though. I think the Louisiana siting was a hoax to though LE/FBI off.

Good luck finding him in Mexico. Now his life is ruined, we can take satisfaction in that!:behindbar

[Pharlap]

This could have been his way of letting her know that he made it but I still think it is his way of taunting LE. He seems to love control and this is a game to him.

Still could be a set up, so the LE thinks one way and he's in opposite direction.

[calidreamin]

I have already ask this question but will ask again. Both Maria and Christina
were from Ohio. Did they know each other previously. Did they have mutual friends. I just find it odd that both are from Ohio.

I have no idea I just heard today for the first time that Christina is from Ohio too.

[STEADFAST]

I have already ask this question but will ask again. Both Maria and Christina
were from Ohio. Did they know each other previously. Did they have mutual friends. I just find it odd that both are from Ohio.

It is odd. I thought Christina's father was in the military. In that case, you'd think she'd have moved every three or four years growing up.

If Christina considers one particular base her "home," the only one in Ohio is Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, coincidentally (?) 11 miles from Maria's hometown of Vandalia.

Usually if military brats say where they're "from" they identify where their grandparents and relatives are from. What service, if any, is Christina's father in?

[Vegas Bride]

I've always felt his wife was involved, to what extent I do not know, but it has never made 1 bit of sense to me that Maria would have willingly planned on taking such a long bus trip! Not way at 8 months pregnant, leaving behind her Dr etc. If it had been a short bus trip of a few hours I wouldn't think much about it but not the ordeal this would have been. If Maria wanted to leave the military she could have because of her pregnancy, the sensible thing to do then would be stay in long enough to have the baby and then she could leave with no problems.
If she went awol then what were her plans for having to go to a hospital for delivery? If she'd try to use her insurance they would be able to track her down.

Also if the reports of her car being there at pos's home for a lengthy time, IMO it would never have stayed there so long if the wife was completely clueless, it would have been a priority to get it gone as fast as he could, for some reason he was not worried about his wife knowing it was there.

VB

[lkd-ga]

Still could be a set up, so the LE thinks one way and he's in opposite direction.

It could be. It seems like everytime they have a lead on him he is somewhere else.

[lkd-ga]

It is odd. I thought Christina's father was in the military. In that case, you'd think she'd have moved every three or four years growing up.

If Christina considers one particular base her "home," the only one in Ohio is Wright-Patterson AFB in Dayton, coincidentally (?) 11 miles from Maria's hometown of Vandalia.

Usually if military brats say where they're "from" they identify where their grandparents and relatives are from. What service, if any, is Christina's father in?

I think that Maria's father is in the Air force Reserves but I am not sure about Christina's father. I just keep seeing info that she is from Ohio. Weird.

[golfmom]

This is additional information from Christina's grandfathers obit:

Dan joined the U.S. Army in 1960, and served in the 101st Airborne Paratrooper Unit. He later graduated from flight school and served with distinction as a helicopter pilot from 1970-71 during the Vietnam War. Due to combat related injuries, he received a medical retirement and retired as a CW2. For his service, he received the Vietnam Service Medal, the Vietnam Campaign Medal with 60 Device, the Bronze Star Medal with “V,” the Bronze Star, two Purple Hearts, the National Defense Service Medal, the Army Aviation Badge, Good Conduct Medal second award, and numerous air medals.

He started at The Ohio State University in 1974, and completed his education at Ohio Northern University with a degree of Juris Doctor. He opened his private law practice, Daniel E. Shifflet & Co. in 1981, with offices in Prospect and Marion. He was a member of the Grace Baptist Church, the Ohio V.H.P.A, the National V.H.P.A., the VFW Post 6817 in Mount Victory, various VFWs in Marion, the 196th Light LIB, F Troop 8th Cavalry, a life member of the DAV and the FOPA.

Funeral services will be held at 10:30 a.m. Thursday, May 3, 2007, at the Grace Baptist Church with the Rev. Nicholas Worden officiating. Burial will follow at the Prospect Cemetery where military rites will be observed by the Marion County United Veterans Council. Friends may call Wednesday from 2-4 and 6-8 p.m. at Boyd Funeral Home.

Memorial contributions may be made Grace Baptist Church.

[lkd-ga]

Maria was raised in Vandalia Oh which is right out side of Dayton. Christina is from Prospect OH. This 2 towns are about 80 miles apart according to map quest. It would be common for people from Prospect to go to Dayton for
jobs, shopping, medical treatment. It is very possible the 2 culd have known
some of the same people

[tiredblondy]

Good point. Wonder why she didn't go. Does a buss ticket have an expiration date by any chance? Also a month old.

I wonder if Laurean had played Maria along. Then due to Maria's upset with her mother wanting to give the baby up for adoption, he suggested he had family in El Paso that could take her in when she got there. There by luring her to meet him??? Didn't he have connections in El Paso?

[Storm]

I'm in Cincinnati, but born and raised in mid Ohio. I have a son
atending medical school at Wright state ..14 miles from
Vandalia....and another son going to college in Springfield,
Ohio.
There is no way that someone would go to Dayton to shop
if they lived in Prospect..
Columbus is the big city closest and there are huge outlet
malls just south of Columbus.
Dayton has nothing (Vandalia is just a suburb of Dayton)
it's known for to go see, except for an air show at
Wright Patterson.
I've been in Cincinnati, 50 or so miles away, for 42 years
and have only been to the area since my son started
med school.
If they met, it's most likely in NC..there wouldn't be
anything that we know yet that would connect them
in Ohio.
I am so concerned that they won't get him soon.
If that's the case, what do they do with Christina?
If they know she had some involvement, how long will
they wait before they pursue at least that part of the
crime?



Maria was raised in Vandalia Oh which is right out side of Dayton. Christina is from Prospect OH. This 2 towns are about 80 miles apart according to map quest. It would be common for people from Prospect to go to Dayton for
jobs, shopping, medical treatment. It is very possible the 2 culd have known
some of the same people

[lkd-ga]

I'm in Cincinnati, but born and raised in mid Ohio. I have a son
atending medical school at Wright state ..14 miles from
Vandalia....and another son going to college in Springfield,
Ohio.
There is no way that someone would go to Dayton to shop
if they lived in Prospect..
Columbus is the big city closest and there are huge outlet
malls just south of Columbus.
Dayton has nothing (Vandalia is just a suburb of Dayton)
it's known for to go see, except for an air show at
Wright Patterson.
I've been in Cincinnati, 50 or so miles away, for 42 years
and have only been to the area since my son started
med school.
If they met, it's most likely in NC..there wouldn't be
anything that we know yet that would connect them
in Ohio.
I am so concerned that they won't get him soon.
If that's the case, what do they do with Christina?
If they know she had some involvement, how long will
they wait before they pursue at least that part of the
crime?

Storm thanks for the info. Do you know if these 2 towns could have played each other in High School sport?

[Storm]

This is Vandalia's football schedule for this past year..
no, their schools don't play each other..totally different areas..
This would be a Western conference and Prospect
would be a very small Div 4 or 5 team..they'd play
small schools in mid Ohio..
80 miles in Ohio is a long distance.
Cincinnati to Cleveland (the two most distant cities from
each other are just 4 hrs apart..and about 240 miles.
Knowing Ohio and the small towns and large towns.
it would be an incredible coincidence if they just ran
into each other and met...

2007 Varsity Football Schedule
Aug. 14 v Meadowdale - Butler - 5:30pm - Scrimmage CANCELLED
Aug. 17 v Miamisburg - Miamisburg - 7pm - Scrimmage
Aug. 24 v Greenville - Greenville - 7:30pm
Aug. 31 v Tecumseh - Butler - 7:30pm
Sept. 7 v Carroll - Carroll - 7:30pm
Sept. 14 v Springfield North - Butler - 7:30pm
Sept. 21 v Springboro - Butler - 7:30pm
Sept. 28 v Troy - Troy - 7:30pm
Oct. 5 v Piqua - Piqua - 7:30pm
Oct. 12 v Northmont - Butler - 7:30pm - Homecoming
Oct. 19 v Sidney - Butler - 7:30pm - Senior Night
Oct. 26 v Trotwood - Trotwood - 7:30pm

2007 Junior Varsity Football Schedule
Aug. 25 v Greenville - Smith - 10am
Sept. 1 v Tecumseh - Tecumseh - 10am
Sept. 8 v Carroll - Smith - 10am
Sept. 15 v Springfield North - Springfield North - 10am
Sept. 22 v Springboro - Springboro - 10am
Sept. 29 v Troy - Smith - 10am
Oct. 6 v Piqua - Butler - 10am
Oct. 13 v Northmont - Northmont - 10am
Oct. 20 v Sidney - Sidney - 10am





Storm thanks for the info. Do you know if these 2 towns could have played each other in High School sport?

[lkd-ga]

This is Vandalia's football schedule for this past year..
no, their schools don't play each other..totally different areas..
This would be a Western conference and Prospect
would be a very small Div 4 or 5 team..they'd play
small schools in mid Ohio..
80 miles in Ohio is a long distance.
Cincinnati to Cleveland (the two most distant cities from
each other are just 4 hrs apart..and about 240 miles.
Knowing Ohio and the small towns and large towns.
it would be an incredible coincidence if they just ran
into each other and met...

2007 Varsity Football Schedule
Aug. 14 v Meadowdale - Butler - 5:30pm - Scrimmage CANCELLED
Aug. 17 v Miamisburg - Miamisburg - 7pm - Scrimmage
Aug. 24 v Greenville - Greenville - 7:30pm
Aug. 31 v Tecumseh - Butler - 7:30pm
Sept. 7 v Carroll - Carroll - 7:30pm
Sept. 14 v Springfield North - Butler - 7:30pm
Sept. 21 v Springboro - Butler - 7:30pm
Sept. 28 v Troy - Troy - 7:30pm
Oct. 5 v Piqua - Piqua - 7:30pm
Oct. 12 v Northmont - Butler - 7:30pm - Homecoming
Oct. 19 v Sidney - Butler - 7:30pm - Senior Night
Oct. 26 v Trotwood - Trotwood - 7:30pm

2007 Junior Varsity Football Schedule
Aug. 25 v Greenville - Smith - 10am
Sept. 1 v Tecumseh - Tecumseh - 10am
Sept. 8 v Carroll - Smith - 10am
Sept. 15 v Springfield North - Springfield North - 10am
Sept. 22 v Springboro - Springboro - 10am
Sept. 29 v Troy - Smith - 10am
Oct. 6 v Piqua - Butler - 10am
Oct. 13 v Northmont - Northmont - 10am
Oct. 20 v Sidney - Sidney - 10am

Thanks Storm for clearing that up for us. In Georgia 80 miles is not that far for schools to play each other.

[Storm]

OMG, lol..when we go to Florida, we spend
almost all of our time in Georgia, it seems..
Kentucky and Tennessee are sooo quick..
Georgia goes forever!!!
Hate when I hit that state..it's so long
and boring:)





Thanks Storm for clearing that up for us. In Georgia 80 miles is not that far for schools to play each other.

[sunshine163]

I live near Dayton and go to Columbus to shop!!!!!!I'm in Cincinnati, but born and raised in mid Ohio. I have a son
atending medical school at Wright state ..14 miles from
Vandalia....and another son going to college in Springfield,
Ohio.
There is no way that someone would go to Dayton to shop
if they lived in Prospect..
Columbus is the big city closest and there are huge outlet
malls just south of Columbus.
Dayton has nothing (Vandalia is just a suburb of Dayton)
it's known for to go see, except for an air show at
Wright Patterson.
I've been in Cincinnati, 50 or so miles away, for 42 years
and have only been to the area since my son started
med school.
If they met, it's most likely in NC..there wouldn't be
anything that we know yet that would connect them
in Ohio.
I am so concerned that they won't get him soon.
If that's the case, what do they do with Christina?
If they know she had some involvement, how long will
they wait before they pursue at least that part of the
crime?

[lkd-ga]

OMG, lol..when we go to Florida, we spend
almost all of our time in Georgia, it seems..
Kentucky and Tennessee are sooo quick..
Georgia goes forever!!!
Hate when I hit that state..it's so long
and boring:)

The next time you are this way let me know and I will point out places of interest. Georgia is a beautiful state with allot of history. I live in Vidalia the home of the famous onions and personally invite you to our onion festival

[Storm]

Makes sense to me:clap:
Have you ever been to the outlet malls
south of Columbus on I-71?



I live near Dayton and go to Columbus to shop!!!!!!

[Storm]

Awesome!!
Onion Festival, huh? Who would
have ever guessed? lol..
I'm sure Georgia is beautiful...just
don't see much on I-75:(
My father-in-law crossed over, so
we won't be going to Florida often
anymore.
I do have a son in Raleigh NC..
not too far from an ocean.
We're 12 hours to the closest ocean:(





The next time you are this way let me know and I will point out places of interest. Georgia is a beautiful state with allot of history. I live in Vidalia the home of the famous onions and personally invite you to our onion festival

[Seven]

Maybe she was planning on leaving, couldn't take the pressure. So she buys a bus ticket and then he gets to her first. I could see her not wanting to drive herself all the way to El Paso being as pregnant as she was.:mad:

But why would she leave herself without transportation by abandoning her car in a public parking lot if she were running away from the Marines?

[dimples37398]

Another video posted on Foxnews.....it is labeled (suspect used lethal skills to kill her)......or something like that....it has alot of useful info about Christina. I cant find out how to post a link to that video.

Kel

[Class-z]

Camp Lejeune is a not such a huge base that people don't know each other. I am sure Xtina knew about Maria and probably about the rape allegations. Rumors were pprobably swirling and I am sure POS enlisted his buddies to help harrass Maria and try to scare her off. I am sure that Maria's car was known to Xtina; she might even have been the one to key the car.


I posted this opinion of Xtina on Thread #7, but I want to repeat it here if thats okay:


" If Xtina is so innocent in all this, why isn't she showing her face on national tv, begging POS to give himself up ? Why isn't she making it clear as the blue sky that she had no involvement in Maria's murder ? Why is she hiding ? Why did her mother refuse to make any comment when she was interviewed ? Why did her dad seem to be lying and making things up on said news report ?

Why ? Because she is guilty of helping POS kill her and / or clean up the crime scene and bury-burn Maria and Gabriel. That is why she won't show her face anywhere. She is afraid we will see the truth in her eyes. Nancy Grace would have her on her knees sobbing out the truth in a matter of minutes !

Here in Costa Rica there is a saying in Spanish, " El que calla otorga " that means " one who is silent admits his/ her guilt " I think that is the case with Christina. She is silent, because she KNOWS her part in all this. And she is afraid. Very afraid now that she is alone and cannot escape to where POS is."


I am sure that Xtina had a role in Maria's murder and cover up. I feel it in my gut. I can't explain it.

I have a questions, if not Christina if she were home, but even the neighbors. How did the buring of that body go un-noticed? Ever singed your hair? You know the smell, well multiply that by............... I cant' imagine that someone didn't notice, it must of been horrific

[FlowerChild]

But why would she leave herself without transportation by abandoning her car in a public parking lot if she were running away from the Marines?

EXCELLENT POINT SEVEN!!!!!
So, we are to believe she was going AWOL, taking a BUS to El Paso alone at 8 mos pregnant - El Paso where she knew no-one and had never been? With only $700 cash?

And when she got there - for her "vacation" or "get away", or whatever the note said she was doing - she was going to get around HOW? El Paso is NOT a big city with lots of cabs everywhere and good public transportation - she wasn't going to see much of the town on FOOT - especially at 8 mos pregnant. And El Paso is such a "beautiful place" - a tourist mecca (NOT). She decides to leave a beautiful place with great weather not too far from her family and near the ocean and the mountains to go 1800 miles away - far from her family, to the forsaken dry, barren, treeless flatness of El Paso where there is NOTHING for her - in December - without a car? And do WHAT? Sit in her cheap hotel room alone? She could have gone into labor at any minute, so I guess she was gonna WALK to the nearest hospital, with no money and no DR and AWOL from the MC?

I know pregnancy makes one emotional, moody, and a bit scattered, but I am having trouble buying that our "solid" Marine Maria - who was in the home stretch of a very difficult pregnancy and close to the end of a very difficult time in her life was gonna go AWOL, leaving her possessions, her cell phone, her baby's layette, her car, her ID, her Dr and hospital - by taking a BUS alone and almost broke to El Paso Texas. A bus to Ohio, maybe? To El Paso? Don't think so.

I think Xtina bought that ticket dressed like Maria. Why El Paso? Probably the next bus to somewhere far away was THAT one - or that's the furthest away from Maria's family she could "send" Maria on the cash she had with her.

My Opinion

[curiositycat]

EXCELLENT POINT SEVEN!!!!!
So, we are to believe she was going AWOL, taking a BUS to El Paso alone at 8 mos pregnant - El Paso where she knew no-one and had never been? With only $700 cash?

And when she got there - for her "vacation" or "get away", or whatever the note said she was doing - she was going to get around HOW? El Paso is NOT a big city with lots of cabs everywhere and good public transportation - she wasn't going to see much of the town on FOOT - especially at 8 mos pregnant. And El Paso is such a "beautiful place" - a tourist mecca (NOT). She decides to leave a beautiful place with great weather not too far from her family and near the ocean and the mountains to go 1800 miles away - far from her family, to the forsaken dry, barren, treeless flatness of El Paso where there is NOTHING for her - in December - without a car? And do WHAT? Sit in her cheap hotel room alone? She could have gone into labor at any minute, so I guess she was gonna WALK to the nearest hospital, with no money and no DR and AWOL from the MC?

I know pregnancy makes one emotional, moody, and a bit scattered, but I am having trouble buying that our "solid" Marine Maria - who was in the home stretch of a very difficult pregnancy and close to the end of a very difficult time in her life was gonna go AWOL, leaving her possessions, her cell phone, her baby's layette, her car, her ID, her Dr and hospital - by taking a BUS alone and almost broke to El Paso Texas. A bus to Ohio, maybe? To El Paso? Don't think so.

I think Xtina bought that ticket dressed like Maria. Why El Paso? Probably the next bus to somewhere far away was THAT one - or that's the furthest away from Maria's family she could "send" Maria on the cash she had with her.

My Opinion

I have been thinking this same thing. I think the note that was supposedly left for Maria's roommate may not have even been written by her. My hunch is that she was abducted by this couple and then killed. I notice that the police spokeman that was on FOX news today would never come out and call her a suspect. I wonder why she hasn't been arrested by now? Is Christina going to claim she is a victim also and was scared of him and so went along with the whole sick game?:confused:

[Ticamom]

I just saw on CNN that the sheriff wont comment on the two letters or their contents. They also mentioned that Xtina is safe on the base, and that she continues to cooperate with authorities.


Anderson Cooper will have more on this case, and he will interview a former colleague of POS and Maria, a female officer who will be interviewed but wont be seen. I imagine she is scared of retaliation for daring to speak out.

The interview is tonight on Cooper's show, but I don't know the time.

[Mygirlsadie]

I wonder if the 2 letters are actually a part of the plan? Like he told Christina when you recieve the letters that means I made it here.... Now we just need to make sure we are keeping constant watch over Christina so she don't flee over there to be with him!

[calidreamin]

[quote=Seven;1916161]But why would she leave herself without transportation by abandoning her car in a public parking lot if she were running away from the Marines?[/quo

That is one of the reasons I don't think she was running from the marines, just playing devils advocate.:)

[curiositycat]

Sheppard Smith kept trying to pin the police spokesman down on where Christina is. He said "We have looked all over for her and she is no where to be found", The spokesman said "We have been in touch with her all day, we know where she is" I think they have her detained somewhere. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to let her get away now, like they did him. IMHO

[JDB]

I really think the reason we have not seen or heard from Christina is she has been told by either the Marines (since she is still in( or the LE not to.Every thing I have read online all say the same thing she is talking to both of them and cooperating with them.I might be blind but I am one that until I see something to make me think otherwords. I do not think Christina is involved.
This reminds me so much of Laci's case it is not even funny. On this very board as soon as we heard about Amber people were saying she did it . Or she knew Scott did it. Only to find out they were wrong.

[calidreamin]

Sheppard Smith kept trying to pin the police spokesman down on where Christina is. He said "We have looked all over for her and she is no where to be found", The spokesman said "We have been in touch with her all day, we know where she is" I think they have her detained somewhere. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to let her get away now, like they did him. IMHO

Well lets hope they wouldn't be that stupid. I just have this burning feeling inside me that she was in on this also. I also think it's really weird that her husband would write to her while on the run. He would have to know that LE would get the letters. I think that is a ruse and it seems like this was really planned out.

[ceeaura]

I believe they have her staying on base in the barracks with a gag order not to talk to anyone but them or LE.I don't think will let her leave the base unless they have someone with her.

[paddy01]

Darn right, they've been in touch with her all day, 'cause their sitting right on top of her! That's the last thing they need is for her to take off, good grief, can you imagine?

[Rum Tum Tugger]

I just saw on CNN that the sheriff wont comment on the two letters or their contents. They also mentioned that Xtina is safe on the base, and that she continues to cooperate with authorities.


Anderson Cooper will have more on this case, and he will interview a former colleague of POS and Maria, a female officer who will be interviewed but wont be seen. I imagine she is scared of retaliation for daring to speak out.


The interview is tonight on Cooper's show, but I don't know the time.

Hi TicaMom .. :)

Thanks for the heads-up on Christina's location. I had a feeling that since she was still an active marine that they would bring her "on base" and basically shield her from scrutiny by the very aggressive media folks.

The Marine Corp would also benefit by having the ability to filter whatever info they wanted to find it's way to the media. Very protective environment inside the base - and that 18 mo. old toddler needs all the protection the military can provide for her.

Much appreciated on the Anderson Cooper show. I'll be watching.

Rum Tum

[Jaded]

Sheppard Smith kept trying to pin the police spokesman down on where Christina is. He said "We have looked all over for her and she is no where to be found", The spokesman said "We have been in touch with her all day, we know where she is" I think they have her detained somewhere. Surely they wouldn't be stupid enough to let her get away now, like they did him. IMHO

She may be temporarily housed at the Hostess House just past the main gate on base. No one would be able to get to her without having authorization to be on base. There is a sentry and if you don't a base sticker you have to stop to get a pass, and you must know someone on base to get on. The Hostess House is a hotel - many families will stay there when they first get assigned on base or when they are visiting family on base. My guess is that's where she is at.

[STEADFAST]

Hi TicaMom .. :)

Thanks for the heads-up on Christina's location. I had a feeling that since she was still an active marine that they would bring her "on base" and basically shield her from scrutiny by the very aggressive media folks.

The Marine Corp would also benefit by having the ability to filter whatever info they wanted to find it's way to the media. Very protective environment inside the base - and that 18 mo. old toddler needs all the protection the military can provide for her.

Much appreciated on the Anderson Cooper show. I'll be watching.

Rum Tum

I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't sitting behind bars on the base, even just as a protected witness. But in any case, I bet the child is with other family members -- don't think a Marine barracks is any place for a toddler. Plus, from reading at LeJeune Underground, I'd say most people on base are very suspicious of Christine and quite angry and she wouldn't be very safe there.

Also, since bases are relatively open -- visitors just get a pass from welcome center, she wouldn't really be shielded on the base unless she is locked away.

[Jaded]

I wouldn't be surprised if she wasn't sitting behind bars on the base, even just as a protected witness. But in any case, I bet the child is with other family members -- don't think a Marine barracks is any place for a toddler. Plus, from reading at LeJeune Underground, I'd say most people on base are very suspicious of Christine and quite angry and she wouldn't be very safe there.

Also, since bases are relatively open -- visitors just get a pass from welcome center, she wouldn't really be shielded on the base unless she is locked away.

Steadfast, to get on Camp Lejeune you have to present ID and where you are going. I was married and didn't have a base sticker yet and it was VERY hard to get on base to go see my ex. They always had to call my ex's shop to get clearance and then would let me get a visitor's pass.

[Ticamom]

In response to JDB's post, the difference between Amber Frey and Xtina is that Amber inmediately went public to clear her name and make absolutely clear that she had no idea that Scott was married. She made it easy for LE to clear her from being a suspect.

LE hasnt been able to clear Xtina yet and IMO the only reason they keep calling her a cooperating witness is because they are hoping she will hang herself if they give her enough rope. They havent declared her a suspect yet for fear that she will lawyer up like POS did and wont talk to them. I just hope they are keeping a close eye on Xtina so she wont skip town to join POS wherever he may be.

[Ticamom]

Hi Rum Tum Tugger !:blowkiss:

[STEADFAST]

Steadfast, to get on Camp Lejeune you have to present ID and where you are going. I was married and didn't have a base sticker yet and it was VERY hard to get on base to go see my ex. They always had to call my ex's shop to get clearance and then would let me get a visitor's pass.

All bases require military id and a car sticker OR a day pass in the car window, especially since 911. And, yes, you do have to give a reason to the welcome center to get your car pass. But the reason can be "I want to visit the museum," or "I've always wanted to see a base." I've lived on or next to bases my entire (long) life.

Also, keep in mind that there are about 150,000 people in the Jacksonville area (active duty, retired, dependents, civilian employees) that have ID's to get on the base. There are probably more people going in and out of the base than are going in and out of the town of Jacksonville (pop 69,000.)

[Rum Tum Tugger]

I really think the reason we have not seen or heard from Christina is she has been told by either the Marines (since she is still in) or the LE not to.

Every thing I have read online all say the same thing she is talking to both of them and cooperating with them. I might be blind but I am one that until I see something to make me think otherwords. I do not think Christina is involved.


This reminds me so much of Laci's case it is not even funny. On this very board as soon as we heard about Amber people were saying she did it . Or she knew Scott did it. Only to find out they were wrong.


Hi JDB .. :)

I admit I am suspicious of Christina's possible involvement. It's certainly plausible - given some of the witness reports we've heard. I am questioning the info as it trickles out - but, I totally agree with you, JDB. We don't know enough about Christina or Maria's murder to automatically condemn her along with her husband.

I also remember all the ugly mean-spirited comments directed toward Amber Frey. It was SO unfair that in our collective grief & horror over Laci & Conner's horrific demise - many folks did not give Amber any credit or afford her the benefit of the doubt. IMO - if not for Amber's courage & determination to do *the right thing* - Scott would not be on death row today. Kudos to her!

Hey, Good post, JDB. :) :blowkiss:

Rum Tum

[SuziQ]

There are some very distinct differences between Amber and Christina. Just because Amber ended up not being involved, which BTW, I never thought she was, doesn't equate to Christina not being involved with this case. Outside of differences of opinion, factually there is no comparison between Amber and Christina.

Amber was not living with Scott during the time Stacy was murdered. Stacy was not murdered in Amber's house, leaving a bloody mess behind. Amber did not help Scott clean up and paint over the crime scene. Stacy was not 75 feet away burned and buried in Ambers backyard. Stacy's car was not suspiciously parked in Ambers driveway for days. And lastly, Amber didn't aid in Scott's escape. Or in Scott's case, attempted escape.

[STEADFAST]

There are some very distinct differences between Amber and Christina. Just because Amber ended up not being involved, which BTW, I never thought, doesn't equate to Christina not being involved with this case. Outside of differences of opinion, factually there is no comparison between Amber and Christina.

Amber was not living with Scott during the time Stacy was murdered. Stacy was not murdered in Amber's house, leaving a bloody mess behind. Amber did not help Scott clean up and paint over the crime scene. Stacy was not 75 feet away burned and buried in Ambers backyard. Stacy's car was not suspiciously parked in Ambers driveway for days. And lastly, Amber didn't aid in Scott's escape. Or in Scott's case, attempted escape.

I would say those are some pretty significant differences!

[JDB]

In response to JDB's post, the difference between Amber Frey and Xtina is that Amber inmediately went public to clear her name and make absolutely clear that she had no idea that Scott was married. She made it easy for LE to clear her from being a suspect.

LE hasnt been able to clear Xtina yet and IMO the only reason they keep calling her a cooperating witness is because they are hoping she will hang herself if they give her enough rope. They havent declared her a suspect yet for fear that she will lawyer up like POS did and wont talk to them. I just hope they are keeping a close eye on Xtina so she wont skip town to join POS wherever he may be.

Kinda of hard to skip town when she is on the base under th USMC watch. I can almost guarntee you Christina is being question hard by both the USMC and the LE.And since nothing is being made public how do we know she does not have a lawyer? We don't. Like I said until I hear something that tells me she was involved I am doing what is supposed to be done here in the USA. Innocent till proven guilty.

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote]I believe they have her staying on base in the barracks with a gag order

In the video it says Christina has been ordered to continue her work on the base.