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swa
01-17-2008, 02:38 AM
From everything I have ever read -- it always states that a burning body is one of the absolute worst smells imaginable.

Having said that -- how was the POS able to burn a body in his own backyard without the smell bothering someone?

Camper
01-17-2008, 07:31 AM
Need someone to look up the weather temperatures of the area for the time of the month this happened.

Also when were the LARGE quantities of charcoal requested of the neighbors, time of the month those were acquired. I don't have a source for the info about the borrowing of LARGE amounts of charcoal from neighbors, but did read it here on the forum in a post that had no source.

Briquettes sp? would not emit a visible amount of smoke for neighbors to see.

Area weather temperatures would have most likely, IF IF my suspicions are correct have been too cold for folks to have been outside to smell for any length of time. IF IF neighbors pull into their garages with GDO closing behind them, then less likely for there to be an odor available for them to smell. imop.

IF IF teenage children of neighbors parked their cars OUTSIDE, then most likely they would not have noticed or understood what they might have been smelling, OR OR even have mentioned it to their parents.

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SeriouslySearching
01-17-2008, 07:39 AM
I asked the same question as soon as we found out about him burning their bodies. If you have ever burned your hair accidently...the stench from that alone is horrendous. I have heard from others about finding burnt bodies (my ex is a fireman) and they said the smell is something you never mistake or forget.

I don't see any way to cover up the smell while he is burning them...but my guess would be that he did this in the middle of the night...on more than one night while people were sleeping.

He had the BBQ after he felt certain he had erradicated the smell issue. IMO, the BBQ was held in the backyard to erase any suspicious behavior his neighbors might have seen prior and gives him people who can say they didn't notice anything amiss in his backyard later.

BeavisMom62
01-17-2008, 09:17 AM
But I wonder if, as was stated on an earlier thread, if she was burned underground (we were discussing pig roasting, sorry) if that would cover the smell somewhat?

SeriouslySearching
01-17-2008, 09:25 AM
Hmmmm...good question. I guess we will have to rely on someone who has actually roasted a pig for that answer.

close_enough
01-17-2008, 12:28 PM
But I wonder if, as was stated on an earlier thread, if she was burned underground (we were discussing pig roasting, sorry) if that would cover the smell somewhat?

yes, after watching Greta last night, i think Maria was buried during the night...as deep as he could get her, THEN the idea of a fire pit, to cover up the burial.....

close_enough
01-17-2008, 12:35 PM
Need someone to look up the weather temperatures of the area for the time of the month this happened.

Also when were the LARGE quantities of charcoal requested of the neighbors, time of the month those were acquired. I don't have a source for the info about the borrowing of LARGE amounts of charcoal from neighbors, but did read it here on the forum in a post that had no source.

Briquettes sp? would not emit a visible amount of smoke for neighbors to see.

Area weather temperatures would have most likely, IF IF my suspicions are correct have been too cold for folks to have been outside to smell for any length of time. IF IF neighbors pull into their garages with GDO closing behind them, then less likely for there to be an odor available for them to smell. imop.

IF IF teenage children of neighbors parked their cars OUTSIDE, then most likely they would not have noticed or understood what they might have been smelling, OR OR even have mentioned it to their parents.

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here ya go, Camper....

http://www.accuweather.com/forecast-climo.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&zipChg=1&zipcode=28540&metric=0&mnYr=12/1/2007

ember
01-17-2008, 12:53 PM
Hmmmm...good question. I guess we will have to rely on someone who has actually roasted a pig for that answer.

When we were discussing this earlier (it was me that brought up the possibility of an underground/pig roasting type of burning :( ) I asked my husband if you could still smell it.
He said yes indeed....hence the vultures circling above as earlier stated.
But I wonder if a human body would smell much different than an animal, especially if it was done underground.

Underground seems very plausible to me because of how shallow she was buried and they were calling it a cavity...like the method that is used to roast a pig....and because of all of the ashes...and all of the charcoal that was used. You need alot of charcaol brickets to roast underground.

We also discussed that he probably knew the technique because pig roasting is something that I hear alot of soldiers talking about in the summertime and Beavismom said that when she was in the military, she remembers them being mentioned too.

Horribly cruel and atrocious....

SeriouslySearching
01-17-2008, 01:34 PM
I haven't found the article which mentions a lot of charcoal. Could someone tell me if it is in the media link thread or where they found it?

BeavisMom62
01-17-2008, 01:36 PM
When we were discussing this earlier (it was me that brought up the possibility of an underground/pig roasting type of burning :( ) I asked my husband if you could still smell it.
He said yes indeed....hence the vultures circling above as earlier stated.
But I wonder if a human body would smell much different than an animal, especially if it was done underground.

Underground seems very plausible to me because of how shallow she was buried and they were calling it a cavity...like the method that is used to roast a pig....and because of all of the ashes...and all of the charcoal that was used. You need alot of charcaol brickets to roast underground.

We also discussed that he probably knew the technique because pig roasting is something that I hear alot of soldiers talking about in the summertime and Beavismom said that when she was in the military, she remembers them being mentioned too.

Horribly cruel and atrocious....

thanks, ember. Sorry I couldn't remember who mentioned it. Sure makes sense to me, too!

JDB
01-17-2008, 02:16 PM
What if he placed her in the Fire pit and then poured gasoline On her.I too have not seen anything saying Charcoal was used.WIth gasoline it would almost be supontanious (SP) combustion so it would burh fast without much smell. Then he placed another layer of dirt over her to cover her. And then they had the Bon fire in the so called fire pit with the part of the fence. No one there would even know that beneath was her body.

lkd-ga
01-17-2008, 02:17 PM
To burn the body suggest to me that he was trying o cover-up DNA evidence.
I wonder if he sexually assualted her before the murder? If rape charges are true he does have a history of sexual assault.

lkd-ga
01-17-2008, 02:19 PM
I think one of his neighbors tht did an interview mentioned the purchase of allot of charcol for the BBQ on Christmas.

SeriouslySearching
01-17-2008, 05:40 PM
To burn the body suggest to me that he was trying o cover-up DNA evidence.
I wonder if he sexually assualted her before the murder? If rape charges are true he does have a history of sexual assault.OMG! I never even contemplated he could have raped her again. :mad:

Of course he was since the point of killing her and the baby was to destroy HIS DNA.

englishleigh
01-17-2008, 06:04 PM
OMG! I never even contemplated he could have raped her again. :mad:

Of course he was since the point of killing her and the baby was to destroy HIS DNA.

Yes, I think he was attempting to make it where the paternity of the baby could not been found out, plus incinerate Maria's dead body (evidence of murder).

close_enough
01-17-2008, 08:57 PM
What if he placed her in the Fire pit and then poured gasoline On her.I too have not seen anything saying Charcoal was used.WIth gasoline it would almost be supontanious (SP) combustion so it would burh fast without much smell. Then he placed another layer of dirt over her to cover her. And then they had the Bon fire in the so called fire pit with the part of the fence. No one there would even know that beneath was her body.

sensible theory, imo....

Littledeer
01-17-2008, 09:03 PM
I vaguely remember early on that it was said she was buried 6" deep.

Yep, I recall that now, because my comment was, heck even a dog could dig that deep. (thinking it was a shallow grave).

Unfortunately, I have no link and reading what has been posted here, it must have been wrong.

I won't go into why it's wrong..............too gruesome.

JDB
01-17-2008, 09:12 PM
I vaguely remember early on that it was said she was buried 6" deep.

Yep, I recall that now, because my comment was, heck even a dog could dig that deep. (thinking it was a shallow grave).

Unfortunately, I have no link and reading what has been posted here, it must have been wrong.

I won't go into why it's wrong..............too gruesome.


Looking at the video Nancy just showed. It was deeper then 6 inches. they were up to their knees in the hole

Elphaba
01-17-2008, 11:03 PM
I thought it was a 2 ft deep grave... (is what I recall)

Littledeer
01-17-2008, 11:07 PM
Sorry JDB:

Just got back to this thread.

But from what I recall watching a snippet of the recovery the other day, it definately was deeper than 6".

But that would make sense if you want to recover a whole body.......and one that is pregnant.

SORRY IF GRUESOME.....................IT KILLED ME TO TYPE THAT.

Tom'sGirl
01-18-2008, 12:20 AM
http://tinyurl.com/26ovpr

CNN: 'Cookout' Over Dead Marine's Body


The Raleigh Chronicle 17.JAN.08

JACKSONVILLE - According to a report that appeared on CNN's Nancy Grace Show on Thursday evening, it is alleged that after she disappeared, several people attended a "cookout" at the firepit where a female Marine's body was found.

Nancy Grace interviewed an editor from People Magazine, who said that the magazine was ready to publish a story that claims several people were present at a "cookout" at the house of Marine Corporal Cesar Laurean. Laurean, who is missing, is wanted in the death of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, a fellow marine who was pregnant.

Her burned body was found last Saturday at Laurean's house near Camp Lejeune, North Carolina and before his disappearance, Laurean was accused of raping Lauterbach.

In the Nancy Grace segement that aired this evening, the People Magazine editor said that several people attended a "bonfire" or a "cookout" at Laurean's house at the very same firepit where her body was found last weekend.

The editor said he would not characterize the event as a "party" but definitely would describe it as a "bonfire" or "cookout."

In the segment, they said it was not known if the people attending the "cookout" were aware of the presence of Lauterbach's body or not.

Nancy Grace questioned how many people actually knew about the alleged murder of Lauterbach, but the editor said it is unlikely that many people would be able to keep a secret.

It should be noted that the "cookout" incident as reported by CNN and People Magazine has not been confirmed by police investigators involved in the case.

It was also reported on the show that police investigators now have in their possession a crowbar, that is possibly a murder weapon in the case.

The show claims that a person in the Jacksonville area turned in the crowbar to police after seeing reports of the alleged murder last Saturday.

RELATED STORIES:
::Marine's Truck Driven To Local Hotel On Monday (http://www.raleigh2.com/link.asp?smenu=1&sdetail=378&wpage=1)

SuziQ
01-18-2008, 02:18 AM
Thanks for posting that TG. I can't imagine what the guests are going through. What a cruel joke to play on your friends.

Mohabi
01-18-2008, 08:22 AM
http://tinyurl.com/26ovpr

CNN: 'Cookout' Over Dead Marine's Body


The Raleigh Chronicle 17.JAN.08


It should be noted that the "cookout" incident as reported by CNN and People Magazine has not been confirmed by police investigators involved in the case.



It should be very easy to confirm whether this cookout really took place. Just ask the nosy neighbor........... I have a few doubts about this friendly bonfire with friends, and - as you all do - wonder how it's possible that

a) not only were the neighbors unable to identify the smell of the original "cremation" fire but

b) the guests present at the bonfire/cookout didn't notice that this particular fire had a rather un-BBQ smell (imagine COOKOUT....they must have cooked something at this cookout no? Burgers? Marshmallows? WHAT??)

I think that the guests at this friendly event have serious mental and emotional problems right now and might be in need of long-term counseling, whether they knew Maria's body was in that pit or not.

Camper
01-18-2008, 08:28 AM
here ya go, Camper....

http://www.accuweather.com/forecast-climo.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&zipChg=1&zipcode=28540&metric=0&mnYr=12/1/2007



--->>>Thanks close_enough. WHO in their right mind would have a BBQ Christmas day when the temperature is 35 degrees?????????? POS did!

Were we told by a talking head that the 'attendees' of that BBQ roasted things by the FIRE? Charcoal brickettes sp? do not have blazing flames.

Here in the Rocky Mountains in temps like that we would have LOGS burning to keep warm and roast marshmallows and head inside where its warm.

This is being posted by Camper who is an experienced camper.

Wonder HOW long they all stood in near freezing temps with red coals from brickettes? Better yet just what was COOKED over this pit, besides POS goose. aka 'His goose is cooked.'

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SeriouslySearching
01-18-2008, 08:34 AM
I think they invited people over to give the "firepit" a legitimate reason for being in the middle of his backyard. People could then say...yes, there was a pit for a bonfire and we didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. Laureans thought it would be a way to cover having it and also a way to cause further damage to the bodies. I honestly doubt they cooked dinner over this fire tho. They probably used the grill to cook the food and maybe roasted marshmallows there.

It was an "in Maria's face" action by the Laurens without a doubt. I don't think the other people attending knew she was there.

Yes, it would be very traumatic for those people to know that buried underneath the ground and fire they were huddled around was one of their fellow Marines and her baby boy. I can imagine they are ill now knowing the circumstances. I know I would be.

Camper~ IF IF IF he used the charcoal briquettes to start a coal bed as would be used in roasting a pig underground, you would not see them. It was stated by a neighbor that he removed pieces of the wood fence and burned them. This could be what was burning during the "bonfire" or he could have added logs. We don't know what he used at that point...but I don't think it was the charcoal.

Camper
01-18-2008, 08:42 AM
Looking at the video Nancy just showed. It was deeper then 6 inches. they were up to their knees in the hole




--->>>Indeed, that hole took a lot of WORK for digging it. The video showing them removing her body was more than shallow!!!!!!!!! Way deeper than shallow. I have watched grave diggers using a MACHINE to dig, and even then it takes a while to get the job done.

I have been to two UNDERGROUND pig roasts in my lifetime, and I do believe that the intense heat and the coverings to allow oxygen for the burning coals could absent intense odor to a large extent. Coals for a pig roast are begun early and pig is roasted for hours and hours.

A third and fourth pig roast I attended was done on an above ground SPIT. We could all watch the pig as it turned. My 'inventive sil' and his friends made the spit. The spit is in turn passed around among friends for their own pig roasts.

There was great advance planning for this 'pit'. I would like to know WHEN the flower planting excuse was given, what day was that????? I do believe that this was a premeditated murder.

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SeriouslySearching
01-18-2008, 08:48 AM
When LE retrieves a body from a grave, they will dig much deeper and wider to sufficiently gather any and all evidence from the scene. It doesn't mean he dug the hole very deep.

I saw it mentioned about the date the shovel was borrowed, but I forget. I believe it was after she was killed tho.

golfmom
01-18-2008, 08:54 AM
When LE retrieves a body from a grave, they will dig much deeper and wider to sufficiently gather any and all evidence from the scene. It doesn't mean he dug the hole very deep.

I saw it mentioned about the date the shovel was borrowed, but I forget. I believe it was after she was killed tho.

I'm working on memory here, but I thought the neighbor mentioned that the shovel was borrowed on the 16th and on the 17th he say CL driving Maria's car.

Ticamom
01-18-2008, 09:42 AM
--->>>Indeed, that hole took a lot of WORK for digging it. The video showing them removing her body was more than shallow!!!!!!!!! Way deeper than shallow. I have watched grave diggers using a MACHINE to dig, and even then it takes a while to get the job done.

I have been to two UNDERGROUND pig roasts in my lifetime, and I do believe that the intense heat and the coverings to allow oxygen for the burning coals could absent intense odor to a large extent. Coals for a pig roast are begun early and pig is roasted for hours and hours.

A third and fourth pig roast I attended was done on an above ground SPIT. We could all watch the pig as it turned. My 'inventive sil' and his friends made the spit. The spit is in turn passed around among friends for their own pig roasts.

There was great advance planning for this 'pit'. I would like to know WHEN the flower planting excuse was given, what day was that????? I do believe that this was a premeditated murder..

Some of my thoughts on this :

He had to have dug the hole deep enough to completely cover Maria's body and so that it wouldn't attract scavengers, also it had to be deep enough to burn and roast enough to cover up the smell so no neighbors would notice. How hard is that to do during December ? Wouldn't the ground be very hard ? And who landscapes in Dec. anyway ?!!! ??

What I find extremely hard to believe is that none of the BBQ guests smelled or noticed anything out of the ordinary the night of the party. I keep thinking as Nancy Grace stated, that this was a celebration of sorts ???? I dunno.

This case has been nerve-shattering for me. I think it, dream it and haven't slept much since last week. Yesterday and today I have had to force myself to get away for a few hours .

SeriouslySearching
01-18-2008, 10:05 AM
Some of my thoughts on this :

He had to have dug the hole deep enough to completely cover Maria's body and so that it wouldn't attract scavengers, also it had to be deep enough to burn and roast enough to cover up the smell so no neighbors would notice. How hard is that to do during December ? Wouldn't the ground be very hard ? And who landscapes in Dec. anyway ?!!! ??

According to the neighbor, there WERE scavengers. She reported seeing Vultures circling the firepit.

If he burned her at night, no one is out and about to smell anything. He didn't need to dig very deep and the weather has been pretty mild in NC, I believe. (My son is in Raleigh and that is what he told me.) No one landscapes in December unless they are planning a murder and a backyard BBQ for Xmas for their buddies.

You need to take a break if this is keeping you from normal sleep and routines. Sometimes we do get too wrapped up and have to walk away for our own sanity.

close_enough
01-18-2008, 10:45 AM
I'm working on memory here, but I thought the neighbor mentioned that the shovel was borrowed on the 16th and on the 17th he say CL driving Maria's car.

eye witnesses can make mistakes....at trial, they can be grilled enough to show that they aren't 100% positive of what they saw, & when they saw it.....

golfmom
01-18-2008, 11:41 AM
eye witnesses can make mistakes....at trial, they can be grilled enough to show that they aren't 100% positive of what they saw, & when they saw it.....

Absolutely ... I wonder if the neighbors dates are off on a number of things that they've reported. :bang:

close_enough
01-18-2008, 11:45 AM
Absolutely ... I wonder if the neighbors dates are off on a number of things that they've reported. :bang:

very well could be.....i know that one of the witnesses in the Laci Peterson case gave info, then found out it was incorrect until she found a receipt from where she'd been to a store...then she was able to give more accurate info to LE.....(the time was on the receipt as to when she left the store)

eta...LE was dealing with a very small timeframe on the morning of that Christmas Eve...