Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #8

[SeriouslySearching]

Let's continue here.

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58574)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #6 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58547)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58506)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58496)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58465)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58429)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58274)

[glezell]

The affidavit accompanied a warrant to search Western Union records.
Authorities said in the affidavit that Laurean and his wife, Christina, received a transfer of money between December 10 and January 12. It gave no further details.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html

Money to help with the run? Wow, unless some family member was in a habit of sending them money, this looks like getaway money! Maybe it will lead to someone who is helping him hide....

[SeriouslySearching]

There was also mention of Maria sending/receiving money from Western Union during that time.

You are right tho...it might be a good lead to find him.

[Pharlap]

It's list him and his wife. The wife has to be in on it....:rolleyes:

[jennyjwv]

if christina knew a day before about the murder shouldn't she be in custody for obstruction of justice or something??

[glezell]

If their atty advised him to turn hisself in, would they have let him return home to get things in order (knowing he wouldn't get out on bail) and then turn himself in, or would they suggest they do it right away?

[calidreamin]

The affidavit accompanied a warrant to search Western Union records.
Authorities said in the affidavit that Laurean and his wife, Christina, received a transfer of money between December 10 and January 12. It gave no further details.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html

Money to help with the run? Wow, unless some family member was in a habit of sending them money, this looks like getaway money! Maybe it will lead to someone who is helping him hide....

Well now that is very interesting. I bet it was to help fund his escape. It is quit a coinicence if not.

[STEADFAST]

There was also mention of Maria sending/receiving money from Western Union during that time.

You are right tho...it might be a good lead to find him.

This had to have been a way to try to uphold the ruse that Maria was still alive.

This makes me even more suspicious that someone (you know who I'm looking at) bought the bus ticket posing as Maria. Somebody had to go down and pick up this money personally. I think you have to show I.D., too, to receive funds from WU. Wonder if Maria's driver's license and/or military I.D. are missing.

[calidreamin]

This had to have been a way to try to uphold the ruse that Maria was still alive.

This makes me even more suspicious that someone (you know who I'm looking at) bought the bus ticket posing as Maria. Somebody had to go down and pick up this money personally. I think you have to show I.D., too, to receive funds from WU. Wonder if Maria's driver's license and/or military I.D. are missing.

I wish we had a picture of Christina to see how much she looks like Maria. I can't believe one hasn't gotten out yet.

[lkd-ga]

This had to have been a way to try to uphold the ruse that Maria was still alive.

This makes me even more suspicious that someone (you know who I'm looking at) bought the bus ticket posing as Maria. Somebody had to go down and pick up this money personally. I think you have to show I.D., too, to receive funds from WU. Wonder if Maria's driver's license and/or military I.D. are missing.


Wow, Are you saying that the Laurean's could have sent money to Maria and then picked it up to make it seem like see left town.

About her Militay I/D, I have heard atm card and I have also heard ID card
was found in Durham. I wonder which one is correct. I think LE should make sure they did not wire money to Durham and he had it pick-up when he got there.

[SeriouslySearching]

if christina knew a day before about the murder shouldn't she be in custody for obstruction of justice or something??Greta mentioned earlier on Fox that in all her years as a lawyer, she never saw anyone actually brought up on the charges of aiding and abetting (which is what it would be) when they were going after the one that actually committed the crime. She also further said that was ONLY if Christina knew NOTHING before that time (24 hours before she told LE) of the crime. If it is proven she knew anything before then...she will be charged with accessory to murder before or after the fact.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wish we had a picture of Christina to see how much she looks like Maria. I can't believe one hasn't gotten out yet.I know! It seems like we should be able to find one from an old year book or something!! I wish one of those marines on base would slip one into their cam phone and post it.

[glezell]

I know! It seems like we should be able to find one from an old year book or something!! I wish one of those marines on base would slip one into their cam phone and post it.

Don't public libraries usually have yearbooks for their local schools? Wish someone in OH could get one..... If we knew where she went to school

[murdershewrote]

"According to the police affidavit, Laurean and his wife, Christina, also a Marine, met with an attorney in Jacksonville, North Carolina, on January 9. The lawyer told Laurean he could be looking at the death penalty."

So, if he tells this story to the attorney that Maria committed suicide like he said, he wouldn't be looking at the death penalty. If he just buried her, that wouldn't warrant the DP. So in my mind, he must have admitted killing her to this attorney, right? Otherwise, why would this attorney bring up the DP.

[STEADFAST]

I wish we had a picture of Christina to see how much she looks like Maria. I can't believe one hasn't gotten out yet.

I can't believe it either! It hasn't been so hard to find a picture of someone involved in a case since . . . really since last week when everyone was looking for a picture of the arrestee in the Seattle Christmas family murder. But, still, usually some outstanding poster on WS locates a picture right away.

[Mygirlsadie]

I am sure a picture will surface soon..I found what I think is her sister's myspace page and I am trying to get into her pictures but apparently since posting my link last night someone has disabled my hacking abilities LMAO!

[STEADFAST]

"According to the police affidavit, Laurean and his wife, Christina, also a Marine, met with an attorney in Jacksonville, North Carolina, on January 9. The lawyer told Laurean he could be looking at the death penalty."

So, if he tells this story to the attorney that Maria committed suicide like he said, he wouldn't be looking at the death penalty. If he just buried her, that wouldn't warrant the DP. So in my mind, he must have admitted killing her to this attorney, right? Otherwise, why would this attorney bring up the DP.

Or the attorney didn't even dignify his ridiculous story by pretending to believe it.

[JDB]

Don't public libraries usually have yearbooks for their local schools? Wish someone in OH could get one..... If we knew where she went to school

On one of these threads. Someone found out where she went to High School. Just can not recall what thread.

[SeriouslySearching]

Until today, most on here did not want to consider her to be anything except another victim in Maria's murder and weren't really looking to post her photo, imo.

[lkd-ga]

On one of these threads. Someone found out where she went to High School. Just can not recall what thread.


Christina grew up in Prospect Ohio. I think her father still lives there. If you google him there is an address for Bruce Shifflet in Prospect. I think she would have gone to school there.

[murdershewrote]

something I heard on Greta last night that really upset me. She hinted that Maria may not have been dead when he set her body on fire. Why would Greta say something like this unless she had heard some kind of rumor about it. Did anybody else remember hearing this. Dr. Baden said there is a way to tell if that were the case. IMG, if that is true, this man is truly a monster.

[SeriouslySearching]

I missed Greta last night, but she does look at all the possibilities. Dr. Baden would be the one to ask about it. However, Maria died from Blunt Force Trauma and the blood evidence of the murder was found (possibly) in the garage. This would mean she was dead before he burned her. If she were still alive, her lungs would prove it.

[glezell]

"According to the police affidavit, Laurean and his wife, Christina, also a Marine, met with an attorney in Jacksonville, North Carolina, on January 9. The lawyer told Laurean he could be looking at the death penalty."

So, if he tells this story to the attorney that Maria committed suicide like he said, he wouldn't be looking at the death penalty. If he just buried her, that wouldn't warrant the DP. So in my mind, he must have admitted killing her to this attorney, right? Otherwise, why would this attorney bring up the DP.

I think he admitted to the atty. They advised him to go home, get things in order and then turn himself in the next day. On the way him, he and Christina got to talking and the idea of running came up. After all, apparently already thought about how it might play out as far as the rape case. Then before sunrise and before his atty would be expecting him, he left....

[glezell]

something I heard on Greta last night that really upset me. She hinted that Maria may not have been dead when he set her body on fire. Why would Greta say something like this unless she had heard some kind of rumor about it. Did anybody else remember hearing this. Dr. Baden said there is a way to tell if that were the case. IMG, if that is true, this man is truly a monster.

And didn't he borrow the shovel to dig the hole on 12/24? No pit to burn her in yet.

[SeriouslySearching]

I am not a Lawyer, but as an Officer Of The Court...would he be able to let him leave after confessing to murder and without calling LE?

[murdershewrote]

He has a different attorney assigned to him now because he said last night that he has never met his client or even spoken with him.

[Pharlap]

something I heard on Greta last night that really upset me. She hinted that Maria may not have been dead when he set her body on fire. Why would Greta say something like this unless she had heard some kind of rumor about it. Did anybody else remember hearing this. Dr. Baden said there is a way to tell if that were the case. IMG, if that is true, this man is truly a monster.


O boy, not wild about Greta.
I'll wait for further news.....not even going to touch that with a 10ft pole...

[Mygirlsadie]

SS OMG I was just about to ask the same exact question!


I am not a Lawyer, but as an Officer Of The Court...would he be able to let him leave after confessing to murder and without calling LE?

[glezell]

I am not a Lawyer, but as an Officer Of The Court...would he be able to let him leave after confessing to murder and without calling LE?

I asked that earlier, but I don't know. He is still protected from atty client priv. Did he have an arrest warrant out for him at that time. I would think if there was a warrant out, they would have to turn him in. But if he confessed to them, I don't think they have to. Because turning yourself it before a warrant issued is like confessing to the crime, right?

[Mygirlsadie]

If Christina really does believe POS & they DNA the baby and it does in fact come back to be POS's son...What do you guys think she is going to do?

[SeriouslySearching]

And didn't he borrow the shovel to dig the hole on 12/24? No pit to burn her in yet.I believe the date was much earlier as the BBQ was on the 24th. I could be mistaken tho.

[glezell]

He has a different attorney assigned to him now because he said last night that he has never met his client or even spoken with him.

So, he just had a consultation with another lawyer and actually hadn't hired one yet? And a lawyer one of the news conferences was curious how he could have an atty appointed already because that usually doesn't happen until your first appearance in court and you are declared indigent.

[murdershewrote]

no, he wouldn't have to. Client-attorney privilege. Lots of people confess to their attorneys.

I thought it was odd he already had a new attorney, but maybe his family got him one?

[Mygirlsadie]

For a situation like this I think that law needs to be changed..they could of had their guy that night! That really upsets me. :mad:



I asked that earlier, but I don't know. He is still protected from atty client priv. Did he have an arrest warrant out for him at that time. I would think if there was a warrant out, they would have to turn him in. But if he confessed to them, I don't think they have to. Because turning yourself it before a warrant issued is like confessing to the crime, right?

[JanetElaine]

Christina grew up in Prospect Ohio. I think her father still lives there. If you google him there is an address for Bruce Shifflet in Prospect. I think she would have gone to school there.

There are two Prospects, Ohio - one northwest and one southwest of Columbus. I mapquested it to see if I live anywhere close (I don't). To do anything, you'd have to know if it is Prospect, Marion County or Prospect, Highland County.

[JDB]

I am not a Lawyer, but as an Officer Of The Court...would he be able to let him leave after confessing to murder and without calling LE?

Yes because there was no warrant yet.And it a lawyer cliient priveldge. just like if Peterson had told geragos he murdered Lacy. it would never be said.

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok guys..pm me if anything important happens! I have to go to bed it's almost midnight again..As always big prayers tonight for beautiful Maria & little baby Gabe! :blowkiss:

[JDB]

And didn't he borrow the shovel to dig the hole on 12/24? No pit to burn her in yet.

I think the shovel was borrowed around the 16th or 17th.

[glezell]

There are two Prospects, Ohio - one northwest and one southwest of Columbus. I mapquested it to see if I live anywhere close (I don't). To do anything, you'd have to know if it is Prospect, Marion County or Prospect, Highland County.

looks like zip is 43342 that makes it to the northwest of columbus near marion? That help? there marion harding high school

[Pharlap]

I think the shovel was borrowed around the 16th or 17th.

If this is true and she died on the 14th, where in the h*ll did they keep the body?

[JDB]

If this is true and she died on the 14th, where in the h*ll did they keep the body?

In the recliner in the front room Like Weekend at Bernies:crazy: Heck I do not know.Let me excuse the pun digging for what day the shovel was borrowed.

[JinxieJada]

Don't public libraries usually have yearbooks for their local schools? Wish someone in OH could get one..... If we knew where she went to school

Has anyone searched Classmates.com for her?

[Pharlap]

In the recliner in the front room Like Weekend at Bernies:crazy: Heck I do not know.Let me excuse the pun digging for what day the shovel was borrowed.

Had to get out of here for a bit..man this case is nerve shattering.
I ran to the bumpernuts thread to get my sanity back.:eek:

[JanetElaine]

looks like zip is 43342 that makes it to the northwest of columbus near marion? That help? there marion harding high school

Yep, that would make it the northwestern Prospect in Marion County. Still over 3 hours from me so don't go looking at me with puppy dog eyes to drive to the library and go through yearbooks there! :crazy: ;)

[Tom'sGirl]

And didn't he borrow the shovel to dig the hole on 12/24? No pit to burn her in yet.
Neighbor said he borrowed the shovel around the 16th.

[close_enough]

Greta mentioned earlier on Fox that in all her years as a lawyer, she never saw anyone actually brought up on the charges of aiding and abetting (which is what it would be) when they were going after the one that actually committed the crime. She also further said that was ONLY if Christina knew NOTHING before that time (24 hours before she told LE) of the crime. If it is proven she knew anything before then...she will be charged with accessory to murder before or after the fact.

ok, so you don't think Christina cut a deal anymore?

[JDB]

In the recliner in the front room Like Weekend at Bernies:crazy: Heck I do not know.Let me excuse the pun digging for what day the shovel was borrowed.

Found the shovel questions answer in the Media link thread. Alander let the POS bprrow the shovel on the 16th

[close_enough]

If this is true and she died on the 14th, where in the h*ll did they keep the body?

i may be behind on the threads, but couldn't he have simply buried her that night, on the 14th?

[close_enough]

Found the shovel questions answer in the Media link thread. Alander let the POS bprrow the shovel on the 16th

hmmmm, then he probably didn't bury her on the night of the 14th....
maybe he borrowed the shovel for a buddy to help him dig the fire pit....wasn't there more than one fire pit anyway?

[close_enough]

I missed Greta last night, but she does look at all the possibilities. Dr. Baden would be the one to ask about it. However, Maria died from Blunt Force Trauma and the blood evidence of the murder was found (possibly) in the garage. This would mean she was dead before he burned her. If she were still alive, her lungs would prove it.

yes, the capt from the jacksonville office said last night that there was blood in the garage....

[Pharlap]

i may be behind on the threads, but couldn't he have simply buried her that night, on the 14th?

They why did he borrow a shovel on the 16th dec...?
Buried her where?
If she died on the 14th and they moved her body to the house, that would explain the Le saying blood was found in 2 rooms...

[close_enough]

ok, i know i asked this question earlier today, but had to leave...don't know if anyone answered or not....

does anyone know what would make LE change the date Maria was killed from Dec 15th to Dec 14th???

[close_enough]

They why did he borrow a shovel on the 16th dec...?
Buried her where?
If she died on the 14th and they moved her body to the house, that would explain the Le saying blood was found in 2 rooms...

i have no idea!

i think he killed her in the house/garage, so i just figured he would have buried her as soon as possible, out in the back yard....

[Pharlap]

ok, i know i asked this question earlier today, but had to leave...don't know if anyone answered or not....

does anyone know what would make LE change the date Maria was killed from Dec 15th to Dec 14th???


As of now, the 14th..till further notice..

[close_enough]

As of now, the 14th..till further notice..

i know, but i'm so curious as to WHAT made them change the date to the 14th.....they had to have found something out, to change the date...

[ember]

Wow! I had to actually go do real work and have my other life for a while and I come back to a whole lot of catching up to do.
You guys are tossing around some very interesting stuff. Good sleuthing!


Until today, most on here did not want to consider her to be anything except another victim in Maria's murder and weren't really looking to post her photo, imo.


I have "known" she was in on it since the beginning.
Just a very strong feeling.
But what I really want to know is to what degree.
Did she just help him cover and escape?
Is she an equal accomplice?
Or is she the puppet master?
I'm leaning towards master.
I just want to know more
and I want a pic of her
and I want to know who the father of the baby was.
and...well there are a million things I want to know.
I guess I just have to be patient. Not one of my stronger qualities.



If this is true and she died on the 14th, where in the h*ll did they keep the body?
That's what I want to know!
I have wondered that since I first heard what the neighbor had to say.
It was Christmas time. Ususally people visit alot at Christmas time.
How would you hide a body in your home at Christmas time and act normal?
Just awful and gross to think about.

I feel so sorry for the L's 18 month old daughter.
Her life is upside down now and she had to live in a murder scene.
Her parents have zero respect for her.
Just disgraceful.

[ipswitch]

I think you have to show I.D., too, to receive funds from WU. Wonder if Maria's driver's license and/or military I.D. are missing.


http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5890539

But Saturday while walking her dog across the street from the Durham Police Department, Mary found a military identification card with the name Frances Lauterbach, also known as Maria Frances Lauterbach.

....snip

Didn't know if this had been answered or not, but her military ID was found

[kathyn2]

Someone asked why no pics of Christina. They had 2 pics of her posted on Fox today on Shepard Smith's show. She is blond like Maria. She doesn't look so hot in her uniform but she was sort of a pretty blond in a formal dress they showed her in. They had 2 pictures. She could have passed for maria if she had gone to the bus terminal to buy a ticket. Blond hair and all.

[JDB]

Someone asked why no pics of Christina. They had 2 pics of her posted on Fox today on Shepard Smith's show. She is blond like Maria. She doesn't look so hot in her uniform but she was sort of a pretty blond in a formal dress they showed her in. They had 2 pictures. She could have passed for maria if she had gone to the bus terminal to buy a ticket. Blond hair and all.

Did she look like she was 8 months pregant?

[SuziQ]

And didn't he borrow the shovel to dig the hole on 12/24? No pit to burn her in yet.

The ten day lapse between Maria's disappearance and the bonfire really bothers me. Where was she that whole time?

[kathyn2]

No, not really. But it would be easy to stuff something in a pair of loose pants or skirt and put a jacket on. It is pretty easy to appear pregnant.

[philamena]

if christina knew a day before about the murder shouldn't she be in custody for obstruction of justice or something??

That's what I want to know. She should, IMO, also be charged with harboring a fugitive and helping to hide a body...maybe desecration of a corpse. :furious: :mad:

[SuziQ]

Wow, what a turn of events. I'm not shocked though and I think we are going to find out that Xtina had more to do with this than knowledge of the crime.

I think the TOD is the 14th because that's when all cell and bank activity stopped except for the ones done by Cesar.

Now I really really want to see a pic of Xtina.

[murdershewrote]

The pics of Maria they have been showing on TV with her long blonde hair are somewhat old, since in the "Marine" pics she looks very different. Shorter, brownish hair, glasses. Maybe the pictures he (they) used to buy her bus ticket, etc. were old (drivers license for example) so she might have looked more like Christina.

I wonder if he had an old refrigerator or freezer in the house where he could have kept the bodies?

[golfmom]

Wow, what a turn of events. I'm not shocked though and I think we are going to find out that Xtina had more to do with this than knowledge of the crime.

I think the TOD is the 14th because that's when all cell and bank activity stopped except for the ones done by Cesar.

Now I really really want to see a pic of Xtina.

I heard today that she was spotted by her neighbor at Wal-Mart ... Odd, since I know the media is desperately trying to track her down. I can't believe a photo of her hasn't been leaked yet.

[murdershewrote]

are she and her daughter living in the house/murder scene, or elsewhere? I can't imagine staying there.

[kathyn2]

Golfmom, they have had 2 photos of christina posted on fox news. Maybe if you go to their website you can find the pictures.

[philamena]

Here's a link to pictures of the crime scene and of pos.
http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/0,4644,3079,00.html

[kathyn2]

This article states that Christina was attending a christmas party the day/nite that Laurean killed Maria. It is from the headline news page. Can't find the photos I saw today of Christina tho.

JACKSONVILLE, North Carolina (CNN) -- Christina Laurean has told authorities she was attending a Christmas party on the night her husband allegedly pregnant Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, according to police.


Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach's remains -- and those of her fetus -- were found in Laurean's backyard, police say.
2 of 2 Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean is charged with first-degree murder. He remains at large, and authorities say he may have fled to Mexico.

Also, an affidavit obtained Thursday by CNN states that Christina Laurean knew about the death one day before reporting it to authorities.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html

[Littledeer]

whew........Finally got caught up on this thread. Took me an over an hour!

Thank goodness I did take the time or else you guys would have seen TONS of questions. But alot were answered as I kept reading.

Just a couple thoughts/questions.

I see a witness either gave or told the Sheriff's Department about a crowbar that might have been used by Lorean. Has it been stated how this witness got the crowbar and where the crowbar was at?

If it was the neighbor, did he just remember that Lorean had also borrowed a crowbar at one time and hadn't returned it? If so, what, he just walked over and retrieved it from Lorean's home?? I am also wondering if Christina is the "witness"? Anything to cover has a** at this point?

If the bus ticket was to be used on the 15th, and as Laurean claims they went on the 14th to purchase the ticket, but then Maria comes over later that evening "disorientated" and "agitated" and says the "plan failed".

How can a plan fail if it hasn't even happened yet?? (Bus to leave on the 15th supposedly). Nope, not buying that one for a second!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Last question: I see additional charges have been filed, bank card theft and obtaining property by false pretenses.

What "property" is this related to?

[nanandjim]

The Dog is talking on Shepherd's show on Fox. A few of us have said that we wished that Dog would go to Mexico and get him!!

[close_enough]

Wow, what a turn of events. I'm not shocked though and I think we are going to find out that Xtina had more to do with this than knowledge of the crime.

I think the TOD is the 14th because that's when all cell and bank activity stopped except for the ones done by Cesar.
Now I really really want to see a pic of Xtina.

aaaaah, ok Suzi...that would make sense, thanks...i hadn't thought of that..

[Littledeer]

yep, that's the other thing I wanted to tell you all.

There was a X-Mas Party on the 14th. That is why the Marines called it a "Holiday". they also stated it was not mandatory and that Maria elected not to attend.

I was going to say, then why would Christina be working as we have assumed.

Thanks Kathy!!

[nanandjim]

LE has warrants for various cell phone records. I hope that includes Maria's. I would like to know if Maria really has been in touch with Cesar Laurean plotting her departure. I think that they should be able to piece together quite a bit if they track all of the calls made after Maria spoke with her stepmother on 12/14. I'm assuming that she called her roommate after that call because I think that he knew that she was upset from the call. Did she call anyone else after that?

[STEADFAST]

yep, that's the other thing I wanted to tell you all.

There was a X-Mas Party on the 14th. That is why the Marines called it a "Holiday". they also stated it was not mandatory and that Maria elected not to attend.

I was going to say, then why would Christina be working as we have assumed.

Thanks Kathy!!

Christina could not have been in the same unit as her husband. Not allowed.

[nanandjim]

...I was going to say, then why would Christina be working as we have assumed...
In one of the warrants, the investigator said that 'Christina was with her FORMER superior, Master Sergeant So and So....' From that I'm assumed that she used to be in the military and is no longer.

[JinxieJada]

No, not really. But it would be easy to stuff something in a pair of loose pants or skirt and put a jacket on. It is pretty easy to appear pregnant.

Very true - remember The whole Katie Holmes debate on whether it was a pillow or an actual baby?

[Littledeer]

Thanks Steadfast and nan for straightening me out about the 14th X-Mas Party and that Christina was not there.

But then still doesn't prove that she was "at work" either.

[kathyn2]

BUT Christina WAS at the christmas party (cesar wasn't). Whose party I don't know but she was at the party and he wasn't and this is when Maria was killed. Most likely Christina just helped with the coverup and gave Cesar time to get to mexico (bad enough).

[kathyn2]

I just posted the story above that said twice Christina was at the party. READ the article! Whether she was in Cesar's unit or not, she was at the party. I am sure the party goers have confirmed this.

[SuziQ]

I've always felt that Maria would not leave and go UA and leave her medical access that close to giving birth. She also had a visit planned with her mother a week after she disappeared. She didn't need a ticket, thus she never bought one. Now we know CL is involved with the buying of the ticket and IMO, Xtina posed as her. After all, dead people can't buy bus tickets. I also do not believe that Maria went willingly anywhere with a person who had her terrified of him.

It's interesting to note that the Detective himself states in the Probable Cause Affidavit:

Item#11-Based on my training and experience, I believe a woman due to give birth soon would not normally abandon her source of low-cost medical care and enter a military status of unauthorized absence; and she would be reluctant to abandon her cellular phone on the side of the road.

Item#14 Base on my training and experience, I do not believe that Maria Lauterbach would abandon her family's support and/or abandon contact with her family.

[FlowerChild]

Did she look like she was 8 months pregant?

It doesn't take much to make a woman look pregnant. I could do it and I am 100 lbs. And Xtina was pregnant 18 mos ago - think she might still have some of her old maternity clothes in the closet???

Here's all it takes:
Pair of big pants or maternity pants or stretchy pants
Big shirt, "baby doll" style shirt, or a maternity shirt
A small pillow - decorative size throw pillow, like the ones most people have on their couch or a pillowcase stuffed with fabric or clothing
A belt and a tight t-shirt (to hold up the pillow or "stuffing" and to "smooth" the lumps)
Maybe a big sweater, jacket or coat or a mans shirt worn as a jacket over it all

It would take less than 15 minutes to put on and I bet every woman here could put together a "faux" pregnancy disguise from her closet. And in this case, she wasn't going to get any close scrutiny - the "look" only had to fool a bus terminal clerk on the other side of a counter for 15 minutes tops. And what if Xtina or CL "borrowed" some of Maria's clothes while leaving the note at her house for her roommate to find??

I am very thin and have no stomach and I have shirts that are cut and fall in a way that make me LOOK pregnant if someone doesn't look closely and I don't move in a way that shows the shirt is hanging loose. Xtina does not appear to be a stick-thin woman so faking pregnant wouldn't be hard for her to pull off. People see what that are expecting to see. If the clerk was asked, did you see Maria (an 08 mos pregnant Maria) or even did a pregnant woman buy a ticket on the 15th - and the woman he saw appeared pregnant - he would say "yes, I sold a ticket to a pregnant woman that looked like Maria". I doubt he pulled up her shirt to check her stomach and verify she was indeed really pregnant and not knowing Maria or what she looked like I don't know how he could give a positive ID from a photo of Maria.

This isn't James Bond stuff - nor is it difficult and it did not have to stand up to any scrutiny in this instance. No-one would have questioned - the woman LOOKED PREGNANT, so she was!

My Opinion

[ipswitch]

In one of the warrants, the investigator said that 'Christina was with her FORMER superior, Master Sergeant So and So....' From that I'm assumed that she used to be in the military and is no longer.

Just because it's her Former Superior, doesn't mean that she didn't change offices.

There are so many different units, and each has a different superior.

Plus, at the military presser yesterday, they spoke about how Christina was in the Marine reserves for a year, but was recently activated as Active Duty. Because the reserves have a different chain of command, it's likely that when she became active duty, her chain of command changed.

JMO

[close_enough]

I've always felt that Maria would not leave and go UA and leave her medical access that close to giving birth. She also had a visit planned with her mother a week after she disappeared. She didn't need a ticket, thus she never bought one. Now we know CL is involved with the buying of the ticket and IMO, Xtina posed as her. After all, dead people can't buy bus tickets. I also do not believe that Maria went willingly anywhere with a person who had her terrified of him.

It's interesting to note that the Detective himself states in the Probable Cause Affidavit:

Item#11-Based on my training and experience, I believe a woman due to give birth soon would not normally abandon her source of low-cost medical care and enter a military status of unauthorized absence; and she would be reluctant to abandon her cellular phone on the side of the road.

Item#14 Base on my training and experience, I do not believe that Maria Lauterbach would abandon her family's support and/or abandon contact with her family.

very good points....makes complete sense....

if Maria didn't write the note that was left for Durham, then wonder who did?...how did they get into Durham's home to leave the note??

[SuziQ]

very good points....makes complete sense....

if Maria didn't write the note she left for Durham, then wonder who did?...how did they get into Durham's home to leave the note??

They had Maria's key's, her car, her cards, military ID, everything Maria had on her.

[close_enough]

whoa...i'm answering my own question now....

if Cesar killed Maria on the 14th, then HE could have gotten Maria's key to Durham's home...wrote the note, went in, & left the note!!!...(ding ding ding)

it's been stated that Maria didn't leave her key at the home (Durham's)

[SuziQ]

whoa...i'm answering my own question now....

if Cesar killed Maria on the 14th, then HE could have gotten Maria's key to Durham's home...wrote the note, went in, & left the note!!!...(ding ding ding)

it's been stated that Maria didn't leave her key at the home (Durham's)

And took her toothbrush, toothpaste, a few clothes....

[close_enough]

They had Maria's key's, her car, her cards, military ID, everything Maria had on her.

yes!...the answer finally hit me!...handwriting analysis will be the proof...

[close_enough]

And took her toothbrush, toothpaste, a few clothes....

YES!!!...that's probably the reason LE changed the date of the murder to the 14th....i suspect that THEY already suspect the letter wasn't in her handwriting....

[kathyn2]

Greta was just on Fox News reporting on Christina. One thing she mentioned was the FBI says Laurean has less than $5000 on him. Thats actually quite a bit. I wonder if that is the 'wired' money that they got around that time. I still think Christina is involved and asked for that money so hubby could get away and live for a while in Mexico.

I hope the FBI posts the reward money down in Mexico. Maybe someone will turn him in for the money down there.

[SuziQ]

And the Western Union wires, they must have been in Maria's name for LE to be interested so early on. And did I read correctly that Xtina claimed that money?

[close_enough]

then i wonder who purchased the bus ticket on the 15th????...if it was Christina, i feel SICK that i even gave her the benefit of the doubt:furious:

LE said they felt certain that Maria purchased the ticket.....they have to think otherwise now, since they now think Maria was murdered on the 14th...

[SuziQ]

I remember Brown stating early on they thought "someone" was sending Maria money.

[close_enough]

And the Western Union wires, they must have been in Maria's name for LE to be interested so early on. And did I read correctly that Xtina claimed that money?

oh my...i haven't read about the western union stuff...i need to find that then

[close_enough]

ok, i don't see an article about the western union thing, in the links thread....anyone have a link to this info?

[STEADFAST]

I just posted the story above that said twice Christina was at the party. READ the article! Whether she was in Cesar's unit or not, she was at the party. I am sure the party goers have confirmed this.

Thanks for pointing out that link you posted. Don't know how I missed that.

But the article only says that Christina has told investigators that she was at a Christmas party that night. It doesn't say the investigators believe her or that anyone has confirmed it. It also doesn't say it was the Christmas party at Cesar's unit or if it was a Christmas party at any unit.

[SuziQ]

ok, i don't see an article about the western union thing, in the links thread....anyone have a link to this info?

In my flurry to read posts it was mentioned. Don't know in what context or how far back. I think I started on pg 20 of the last thread. I don't think there was a link.

[close_enough]

In my flurry to read posts it was mentioned. Don't know in what context or how far back. I think I started on pg 20 of the last thread. I don't think there was a link.

ok, thanks anyway Suzi.....maybe Greta will mention this tonight

[SuziQ]

found it

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1919134&postcount=2

Today, 02:49 PM
glezell (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=17421) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif vbmenu_register("postmenu_1919134", true);
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 182


The affidavit accompanied a warrant to search Western Union records.
Authorities said in the affidavit that Laurean and his wife, Christina, received a transfer of money between December 10 and January 12. It gave no further details.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/...ine/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html)

Money to help with the run? Wow, unless some family member was in a habit of sending them money, this looks like getaway money! Maybe it will lead to someone who is helping him hide....

[KR2tonenow]

The affidavit accompanied a warrant to search Western Union records.
Authorities said in the affidavit that Laurean and his wife, Christina, received a transfer of money between December 10 and January 12. It gave no further details.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html

Money to help with the run? Wow, unless some family member was in a habit of sending them money, this looks like getaway money! Maybe it will lead to someone who is helping him hide....

O please, like she didn't know sooner, I dont buy it!:mad:

[close_enough]

found it

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1919134&postcount=2

Today, 02:49 PM
glezell (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=17421) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif vbmenu_register("postmenu_1919134", true);
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 182


The affidavit accompanied a warrant to search Western Union records.
Authorities said in the affidavit that Laurean and his wife, Christina, received a transfer of money between December 10 and January 12. It gave no further details.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/...ine/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html)

Money to help with the run? Wow, unless some family member was in a habit of sending them money, this looks like getaway money! Maybe it will lead to someone who is helping him hide....

oh yeah!...i think it will....

so it sounds like the money was sent to both, Cesar & Christina...if that's the case, do both have to sign anything when picking up the funds???...i've never wired any money...

thanks for finding this info:)

[close_enough]

wait though....if it was betw December 10th & January 12th, that's quite the time frame .... Maria wasn't dead on the 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th....:confused:

[STEADFAST]

ok, i don't see an article about the western union thing, in the links thread....anyone have a link to this info?



Jan 10:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/

A search warrant released with the other documents Thursday seeks Western Union records, saying authorities have reason to believe Lauterbach may be receiving financial support through money transfers.

Jan 17:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/?iref=hpmostpop

A warrant allowed authorities to search Western Union records.

Authorities said in the accompanying affidavit that Cesar Laurean and his wife received a transfer of money between December 10 and January 12.

[JDB]

The ten day lapse between Maria's disappearance and the bonfire really bothers me. Where was she that whole time?

I Think she was already in the ground burned. The I posted on the Burn thread what I think he did

[Littledeer]

Sounds like premeditation now????

[close_enough]

Jan 10:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/10/missing.marine/

A search warrant released with the other documents Thursday seeks Western Union records, saying authorities have reason to believe Lauterbach may be receiving financial support through money transfers.

Jan 17:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/?iref=hpmostpop

A warrant allowed authorities to search Western Union records.

Authorities said in the accompanying affidavit that Cesar Laurean and his wife received a transfer of money between December 10 and January 12.

thanks STEADFAST....i'm confused:confused:
what would make LE think that Maria was getting funds wired?....i mean what would that have to do with Christina & Cesar getting funds wired to them?....i guess i'm just not understanding this....

so ALL 3 of them were picking up wired money?

[KR2tonenow]

I wish we had a picture of Christina to see how much she looks like Maria. I can't believe one hasn't gotten out yet.

I want to see her too!! :chicken:

[Littledeer]

KR:

I don't see where Maria was receiving wired funds??

[KR2tonenow]

KR:

I don't see where Maria was receiving wired funds??

I do believe that stellar and christina were receiving funds. They had concocted a web of lies...

[kathyn2]

In regards to the party that christina went to, we don't know what party. It just says she went to a christmas party during the afternoon and evening (when cesar killed Maria). I would imagine the police has checked with party goers to find out if she was really at a party.

[nanandjim]

Just because it's her Former Superior, doesn't mean that she didn't change offices.

There are so many different units, and each has a different superior.

Plus, at the military presser yesterday, they spoke about how Christina was in the Marine reserves for a year, but was recently activated as Active Duty. Because the reserves have a different chain of command, it's likely that when she became active duty, her chain of command changed.

JMO
Thanks for taking the time to post this info. I guess that I missed them saying that at the press conference! :)

Don't know if this has been posted, but Greta says that the FBI would only say that Laurean has less than $5,000 on him.

[STEADFAST]

thanks STEADFAST....i'm confused:confused:
what would make LE think that Maria was getting funds wired?....i mean what would that have to do with Christina & Cesar getting funds wired to them?....i guess i'm just not understanding this....

so ALL 3 of them were picking up wired money?

How about this. Before they suspected the Laureans, the found that funds had been wired to Lauterbach's name. Now they have reason to believe that the Laureans are the ones who actually picked up those funds. Or that, before, they saw that money was being wired from Lauterbach's bank account to somebody, who they may have assumed was then giving her the money. But now they think that the Laureans were the ones wiring money from Lauterbach's account to themselves.

[KR2tonenow]

Greta mentioned earlier on Fox that in all her years as a lawyer, she never saw anyone actually brought up on the charges of aiding and abetting (which is what it would be) when they were going after the one that actually committed the crime. She also further said that was ONLY if Christina knew NOTHING before that time (24 hours before she told LE) of the crime. If it is proven she knew anything before then...she will be charged with accessory to murder before or after the fact.

Bravo!

[SuziQ]

Early on LE was looking into info that Maria was receiving Western Union funds. Obviously Maria's name was on those funds for LE to think that. Why would Cesar and Xtina send fund to Maria? The same reason they bought a bus ticket, planted the note at her house, etc, etc. To make it look like Maria left on her own. IMO.

[close_enough]

How about this. Before they suspected the Laureans, the found that funds had been wired to Lauterbach's name. Now they have reason to believe that the Laureans are the ones who actually picked up those funds. Or that, before, they saw that money was being wired from Lauterbach's bank account to somebody, who they may have assumed was then giving her the money. But now they think that the Laureans were the ones wiring money from Lauterbach's account to themselves.

whoa!....ok, i see what you're saying....oh, what a tangled web we weave.....

[nanandjim]

I Think she was already in the ground burned. The I posted on the Burn thread what I think he did
Maria was buried about a foot underground, wasn't she? The only thing that I can think of is she "cooked" from the severe heat of the bonfire. :(

[calidreamin]

I want to see her too!! :chicken:
I hope they come out one soon, I am dying to compare her to Maria. I wouldn't be surprised if Christina was the one who bought the bus ticket.

[SuziQ]

How about this. Before they suspected the Laureans, the found that funds had been wired to Lauterbach's name. Now they have reason to believe that the Laureans are the ones who actually picked up those funds. Or that, before, they saw that money was being wired from Lauterbach's bank account to somebody, who they may have assumed was then giving her the money. But now they think that the Laureans were the ones wiring money from Lauterbach's account to themselves.

It could have been that way too. I hadn't thought of that. More activity that Maria could not have created.

[close_enough]

Early on LE was looking into info that Maria was receiving Western Union funds. Obviously Maria's name was on those funds for LE to think that. Why would Cesar and Xtina send fund to Maria? The same reason they bought a bus ticket, planted the note at her house, etc, etc. To make it look like Maria left on her own. IMO.

yes, yes....(nodding) hmmm

[SuziQ]

Maria was buried about a foot underground, wasn't she? The only thing that I can think of is she "cooked" from the severe heat of the bonfire. :(

At the celebration BBQ. I think many people had it in for Maria because of the campaign Cesar and Xtina had been waging against her. They even incited someone to slug Maria.

[Littledeer]

Maria was buried about a foot underground, wasn't

nan: i just posted about this on the burning thread. I thought it was 6" that was reported. We can discuss this here and there too~!

[KR2tonenow]

SS OMG I was just about to ask the same exact question!

Isnt there the Attorney client priviledge???

[calidreamin]

At the celebration BBQ. I think many people had it in for Maria because of the campaign Cesar and Xtina had been waging against her. They even incited someone to slug Maria.

How horrible is that, to slug a pregnant woman? There are some twisted people in this world. :furious:

[JDB]

Maria was buried about a foot underground, wasn't she? The only thing that I can think of is she "cooked" from the severe heat of the bonfire. :(

Looking at the video Nancy jsut showed. She was deeper then one foot.I think he Buried her and used gasoline to burn her. Then covered up Maria and then had the bon fire.

[nanandjim]

Looking at the video Nancy jsut showed. She was deeper then one foot.I think he Buried her and used gasoline to burn her. Then covered up Maria and then had the bon fire.
I would believe it because I believe that he thought that it was his baby and he wanted to get rid of as much evidence as possible. I am very surprised that he didn't take her elsewhere and bury her. He may never have been caught. :confused:

[calidreamin]

Looking at the video Nancy jsut showed. She was deeper then one foot.I think he Buried her and used gasoline to burn her. Then covered up Maria and then had the bon fire.

Oh god that is so unbelievably sick. I can't believe what some people are capable of.

[KR2tonenow]

Looking at the video Nancy jsut showed. She was deeper then one foot.I think he Buried her and used gasoline to burn her. Then covered up Maria and then had the bon fire.

Nancy Grace is reporting on Christina and the fun bonfire they had at xmas.

They better find this sicko!!

[STEADFAST]

At the celebration BBQ. I think many people had it in for Maria because of the campaign Cesar and Xtina had been waging against her. They even incited someone to slug Maria.

I love Nancy Grace! On her show, this conversation (or close anyway) just happened.

Nancy: They had a BBQ on the grave!!??

Some guy: Well, they had a BBQ. I don't know if you'd call it celebratory . . .

Nancy: I'll tell you what you call it. DP. Death Penalty.

[JDB]

Oh god that is so unbelievably sick. I can't believe what some people are capable of.

And Nan That would explain no one smelling the burning of flesh and hair. When he killed her and burned her the 1st time.To burn a body it has to be really hot.

[close_enough]

I love Nancy Grace! On her show, this conversation (or close anyway) just happened.

Nancy: They had a BBQ on the grave!!??

Some guy: Well, they had a BBQ. I don't know if you'd call it celebratory . . .

Nancy: I'll tell you what you call it. DP. Death Penalty.

lol, i heard that too....she's a trip!

[KR2tonenow]

I love Nancy Grace! On her show, this conversation (or close anyway) just happened.

Nancy: They had a BBQ on the grave!!??

Some guy: Well, they had a BBQ. I don't know if you'd call it celebratory . . .

Nancy: I'll tell you what you call it. DP. Death Penalty.

Love, love, love her!!:woohoo:

[kathyn2]

I think Nancy Grace was hinting on her show that perhaps all the marines at the BBQ may have known she was in that fire pit. Maybe some or this group of 'friends' were in on this???

[JinxieJada]

Who's the witness that caught the news stories and turned in the "weapon"???

[KR2tonenow]

And Nan That would explain no one smelling the burning of flesh and hair. When he killed her and burned her the 1st time.To burn a body it has to be really hot.

Absolutely, and by having a BBQ they insured that with meat and grease it would all just blend...and hopefully no one would notice.:eek:

[close_enough]

I think Nancy Grace was hinting on her show that perhaps all the marines at the BBQ may have known she was in that fire pit. Maybe some or this group of 'friends' were in on this???

that's the impression i got also.....i don't, for one minute, believe that every marine there knew that Maria was under that ground....i think Nancy's wrong about that....

[teedie2]

I love Nancy Grace! On her show, this conversation (or close anyway) just happened.

Nancy: They had a BBQ on the grave!!??

Some guy: Well, they had a BBQ. I don't know if you'd call it celebratory . . .

Nancy: I'll tell you what you call it. DP. Death Penalty.

OMG! I thought that was what I heard! A barbeque has been mentioned quite a few times, but I didn't realize it was at perp's house and upon Maria's grave.

IS that what we heard? I can't believe this.

[close_enough]

Who's the witness that caught the news stories and turned in the "weapon"???

i have no idea Jinx.....i don't think the person's name has been reported yet...

[KR2tonenow]

i have no idea Jinx.....i don't think the person's name has been reported yet...

I'm guessing the wife.

[STEADFAST]

OMG! I thought that was what I heard! A barbeque has been mentioned quite a few times, but I didn't realize it was at perp's house and upon Maria's grave.

IS that what we heard? I can't believe this.

Yes, this is what has been reported. I think it was said that they cooked food on the grill, but had a bonfire on the grave site.

[STEADFAST]

I'm guessing the wife.

If it's the wife, it kind of blows away the idea that she believed her husband about Maria committing suicide.

[nanandjim]

And Nan That would explain no one smelling the burning of flesh and hair. When he killed her and burned her the 1st time.To burn a body it has to be really hot.
Maybe, this second bonfire was just a coverup for the original crime. Perhaps, there was a pile of ashes from the fence that they used for the bonfire. It perplexes me. Did this guy think that they wouldn't think to look in his own backyard??

[KR2tonenow]

NG interviewed a woman "in the dark" and she sounded very sure that Laurean has Marine life/survival skills and will be able to endure. Could it be Christina in the dark?

[SuziQ]

I love Nancy Grace! On her show, this conversation (or close anyway) just happened.

Nancy: They had a BBQ on the grave!!??

Some guy: Well, they had a BBQ. I don't know if you'd call it celebratory . . .

Nancy: I'll tell you what you call it. DP. Death Penalty.

I can't wait for tonights transcript to come up.

[STEADFAST]

Maybe, this second bonfire was just a coverup for the original crime. Perhaps, there was a pile of ashes from the fence that they used for the bonfire. It perplexes me. Did this guy think that they wouldn't think to look in his own backyard??

I think he believed that everyone would always think Maria ran away. He probably had the bonfire there because people might ask (maybe future house buyers -- marines have to move often) about the burn area in the yard.

[KR2tonenow]

If it's the wife, it kind of blows away the idea that she believed her husband about Maria committing suicide.

I think she knows alot more and probably is "cooperating fully", the police have already stated it wasn't suicide by all the blood found at the home.

[SuziQ]

that's the impression i got also.....i don't, for one minute, believe that every marine there knew that Maria was under that ground....i think Nancy's wrong about that....

If they didn't know, then they must be horrified.

[nanandjim]

NG interviewed a woman "in the dark" and she sounded very sure that Laurean has Marine life/survival skills and will be able to endure. Could it be Christina in the dark?
No, it's not Christina. It was a repeat of a clip that they played last night. It was one of Laurean's friend. She submitted the paperwork for the second restraining order that Maria obtained. She said that she basically blew off Maria's remarks that she was afraid of Laurean. This woman, who knew Laurean, said that he was a really nice guy and that she basically didn't believe Maria.

[peace9274]

I brought this over from another thread, "Christina's Involvement......."


Re the murder weapon.

A "witness" (not necessarily an eye witness) heard about the murder and other Laurean / Maria news items, put 2 and 2 together and took the murder weapon, a crowbar to the police. At first I thought only Christina or the neighbor turned it in.

But now I wonder if the Laurean's sold the crowbar at their LYS....
to the "witness".

[fran]

She said that she basically blew off Maria's remarks that she was afraid of Laurean. This woman, who knew Laurean, said that he was a really nice guy and that she basically didn't believe Maria.


Wonder what she thinks now? :bang:

:(
fran

[close_enough]

If they didn't know, then they must be horrified.

yes, i know I would be!

[close_enough]

I brought this over from another thread, "Christina's Involvement......."


Re the murder weapon.

A "witness" (not necessarily an eye witness) heard about the murder and other Laurean / Maria news items, put 2 and 2 together and took the murder weapon, a crowbar to the police. At first I thought only Christina or the neighbor turned it in.

But now I wonder if the Laurean's sold the crowbar at their LYS....
to the "witness".

yes, i responded to this on the other thread.....does anyone know the last time the Laurean's had a yard sale?

[close_enough]

NG interviewed a woman "in the dark" and she sounded very sure that Laurean has Marine life/survival skills and will be able to endure. Could it be Christina in the dark?

for some reason i want to say that's someone in the military....it's why the person is in the dark....

[Littledeer]

All I can say right now is that there must be lots of psychologists, psychoanalists, etc. analyzing Cesar's mind.

You have a Marine (one who is supposedly "stellar") married, with a child, who has been accused of rape, supposedly has not threatened or harmed anyone since the rape accusation, reports to work every day, maintains home, etc. who then one day, possibly rapes, murders a person and baby, buries the bodies, burns the bodies, then holds a barbecue party.

Wonder what term this will be?? other than narcistic, crazy, etc. Oh heck, he's SP, DP and all others.

[Pharlap]

I brought this over from another thread, "Christina's Involvement......."


Re the murder weapon.

A "witness" (not necessarily an eye witness) heard about the murder and other Laurean / Maria news items, put 2 and 2 together and took the murder weapon, a crowbar to the police. At first I thought only Christina or the neighbor turned it in.

But now I wonder if the Laurean's sold the crowbar at their LYS....
to the "witness".

So many things have been flying around regarding this crowbar.
Yours is a good idea. The one I heard is he borrowed it. I thought to myself who borrows a crowbar, if you need one why not just buy one.

[Littledeer]

not sure about the last time for a yard sale, but definately one this month. A vacuum cleaner has been mentioned as one of the items.

[Littledeer]

I also questioned about the crowbar.

How and where did this witness find/get the crowbar??

[close_enough]

I also questioned about the crowbar.

How and where did this witness find/get the crowbar??

i think Peace brought up a good idea....possibly someone bought it at a yard sale the Laurean's had??...it's why i wondered when the last yard sale was...

[peace9274]

yes, i responded to this on the other thread.....does anyone know the last time the Laurean's had a yard sale?

I answered you over there... LOL

According to posters at the on-line LYS, the Laurean's sold items at the
L. Yard Sale after Maria was murdered.

One of the items the Laurean's sold was a vacuum cleaner.
When I read what they were posting, I commented here that I hoped the people who bought the vac turned it into LE.

So, it makes me wonder what all they sold.
And what the buyers of the Laurean's items are thinking.

[close_enough]

I answered you over there... LOL

According to posters at the on-line LYS, the Laurean's sold items at the
L. Yard Sale after Maria was murdered.

One of the items the Laurean's sold was a vacuum cleaner.
When I read what they were posting, I commented here that I hoped the people who bought the vac turned it into LE.

So, it makes me wonder what all they sold.
And what the buyers of the Laurean's items are thinking.

LOL, yes i just responded over there too!.....anyway, i think you could be on to something about this yard sale....it's possible someone would put a crowbar in a yard sale....heck, you can find ANYTHING at a yard sale.....wish i could see the list of stuff they sold....

[MysteryAddict]

All I can say right now is that there must be lots of psychologists, psychoanalists, etc. analyzing Cesar's mind.

You have a Marine (one who is supposedly "stellar") married, with a child, who has been accused of rape, supposedly has not threatened or harmed anyone since the rape accusation, reports to work every day, maintains home, etc. who then one day, possibly rapes, murders a person and baby, buries the bodies, burns the bodies, then holds a barbecue party.

Wonder what term this will be?? other than narcistic, crazy, etc. Oh heck, he's SP, DP and all others.


What term to use? The dumbest POS killer

Why does a Marine need to use a crow bar to disable a pregnant woman and
who with a brain in their head buries the victim in their own back yard?

[Littledeer]

The yard sale items were listed earlier THIS MONTH.

[Littledeer]

Mystery:

Yep! Wouldn't mind having him and DP together in bars so I can antler them both RIGHT WHERE IT COUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[peace9274]

Mystery:

Yep! Wouldn't mind having him and DP together in bars so I can antler them both RIGHT WHERE IT COUNTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How 'bout inviting them both to a BBQ?

:woohoo:

[peace9274]

Aha... I found it.


http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/sellerprofile.jsp?accountID=3140821

Not sure this is the site where they comment.

[Littledeer]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Peace:

For sure, and everone here is also invited to the party!!!!!

Sharpening antlers!!!!!!!!!!

[peace9274]

Here are some comments at the LeJeune Underground:


http://lejeuneunderground.com/topic.jsp?w=&s=60&n=30&topicId=11110527

[close_enough]

Aha... I found it.


http://www.lejeuneyardsales.com/sellerprofile.jsp?accountID=3140821

Not sure this is the site where they comment.

i THINK this is it??

http://lejeuneunderground.com/index.jsp

[SuziQ]

I have no intentions of contacting her but the header for Seller Contact states:

Contact Seller
Contacting the seller for more information does not obligate you to purchase the item. Ask them for a picture. Ask them for more information. Tell them you want to buy it NOW! Or just say "Hi", because everyone likes more friends.

[close_enough]

good grief, i had dig around....i THOUGHT i had saved this, but apparently i didn't.....i need to clean out all my favorites, ugh....

http://lejeuneunderground.com/topic.jsp?topicId=11110527

[Littledeer]

thanks peace and close for retrieving the article link!

So we have Christina living in a home since December 14th when her husband supposedly kills a 8 to 8 1/2 month pregnant woman that leaves blood on the walls and ceiling and now we are finding out blood in the garage. Also, the backyard has been dug up, fencing missing, dog goes in front yard, etc. etc. etc.

And you as a Marine, wife, mother, just don't GET IT??????

sarcasm here................YEA RIGHT.

[peace9274]

thanks peace and close for retrieving the article link!

So we have Christina living in a home since December 14th when her husband supposedly kills a 8 to 8 1/2 month pregnant woman that leaves blood on the walls and ceiling and now we are finding out blood in the garage. Also, the backyard has been dug up, fencing missing, dog goes in front yard, etc. etc. etc.

And you as a Marine, wife, mother, just don't GET IT??????

sarcasm here................YEA RIGHT.

AND she sells her vacuum cleaner and possibly her husband's crowbar and still thinks nothing.

POS: "Honey, you don't need your vacuum cleaner anymore, do you?
Let's sell it and have a party with the money."

Christina: "OK, Dear. Whatever..... ."

:bang:

[philamena]

Did pos know about the yard sale in advance?
Was he was sly enough to hide his murder weapon amongst someone elses yard sale stuff??

[Littledeer]

peace:

Dear...........................Deer

Might be changing my nick. WINDY.................CHICO................

LOL (but still keeping my antlers!)

[close_enough]

actually i'm surprised he didn't take the murder weapon with him, from Jacksonville to Morrisville...he could have disposed of it on the way....i'm not a cold blooded killer, but i would have done it like that!

[Littledeer]

philamena:

Good question. Possibly the crowbar was found by someone who brought something at the sale??

Didn't make much sense to me for it to be the neighbor to begin with.

[SuziQ]

Dangit, tried doing a cached search on LYS and it was cached as of Jan 17th, 2008. How is that possible. It's still the 16th right?

[JDB]

Here we go again

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach was eight months pregnant when she was reported missing December 19. Authorities say she was killed four days earlier.

[Littledeer]

Which brings up another good question I had asked much earlier.

About guns. Do Marines carry guns all the time. IIRC someone said no.

But I see now they are labeling Cesar as "armed and dangerous". Does that mean he has his military issued gun on him???

[close_enough]

Dangit, tried doing a cached search on LYS and it was cached as of Jan 17th, 2008. How is that possible. It's still the 16th right?

today is the 17th....i think?

[Littledeer]

Suzi:

Yea, it's the 16th still where I live in the US.

[close_enough]

Which brings up another good question I had asked much earlier.

About guns. Do Marines carry guns all the time. IIRC someone said no.

But I see now they are labeling Cesar as "armed and dangerous". Does that mean he has his military issued gun on him???

i'd be surprised if he didn't keep a gun at home....

[JanetElaine]

today is the 17th....i think?

Yes it is and it has been all day. :D

[Littledeer]

yikes,

close is right. taking off one full antler for that stupidity!!!!

[JanetElaine]

Suzi:

Yea, it's the 16th still where I live in the US.

I thought you lived in Ohio, LOL. It's definitely the 17th here... I'm thinking y'all need some sleep lol. ;)

[close_enough]

Here we go again

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/17/missing.marine/index.html
Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach was eight months pregnant when she was reported missing December 19. Authorities say she was killed four days earlier.

yeah, that makes it the 15th again:rolleyes:

did you notice this?

According to the affidavit, Christina Laurean, 25 -- who also is a Marine -- went with her husband to a Jacksonville attorney on January 10, and the lawyer told Cesar Laurean he could face the death penalty.

so obviously Cesar told the atty about the murder?....i bet they had made an agreement that Cesar would turn himself in the next day.....instead, he fled...

[JDB]

Yeppers Looking at the date on PC it says the 17th!!!!! Laffin

[philamena]

Mr and Mrs pos are seriously demeanted.


after she disappeared, several people attended a "cookout" at the firepit where a female Marine's body was found...

[SuziQ]

today is the 17th....i think?

By golly it is!

[Littledeer]

Guilty as charged JANET!! lol

[close_enough]

LMAO...we're all crazy cept for Janet!!!!:crazy:

[STEADFAST]

i'd be surprised if he didn't keep a gun at home....

You aren't allowed to carry firearms on and off a base unless your job calls for it in some way and you are carrying out an official duty at the time. A personnel clerk like Laurean would certainly not have a firearm issued to him and his job would not call for him to carry one. You're also not allowed to have firearms in military housing. But I don't see any reason he couldn't have his own personal weapon(s?) at home since he lived off base.

[peace9274]

Which brings up another good question I had asked much earlier.

About guns. Do Marines carry guns all the time. IIRC someone said no.

But I see now they are labeling Cesar as "armed and dangerous". Does that mean he has his military issued gun on him???

Seems no matter what he chooses to pick up and use,
he's gonna be dangerous!

A friggin' crowbar?????
Give me a break, POS!

Aren't they trained in martial arts or something?
If he had to do it, couldn't he have just slipped something in her drink.... or have done anything less violent....
thus allowing her and Gabriel (his own son) to die a little more peacefully?

[JDB]

yeah, that makes it the 15th again:rolleyes:

did you notice this?

According to the affidavit, Christina Laurean, 25 -- who also is a Marine -- went with her husband to a Jacksonville attorney on January 10, and the lawyer told Cesar Laurean he could face the death penalty.

so obviously Cesar told the atty about the murder?....i bet they had made an agreement that Cesar would turn himself in the next day.....instead, he fled...

Which would explain the shovel on the 16th.

[close_enough]

You aren't allowed to carry firearms on and off a base unless your job calls for it in some way and you are carrying out an official duty at the time. A personnel clerk like Laurean would certainly not have a firearm issued to him and his job would not call for him to carry one. You're also not allowed to have firearms in military housing. But I don't see any reason he couldn't have his own personal weapon(s?) at home since he lived off base.

exactly......

course if he'd had a gun, why not use that on Maria, & say she shot herself???....i guess he could have been soooooo pissed & in the heat of the moment, just grabbed a crowbar & hit her.....hmmm, that scenario would make me think he DID kill her in the garage.....folks don't normally keep a crowbar inside the home...unless it's for protection by a bed, like a baseball bat, maybe??

[Littledeer]

There's the poster!!

STEADFAST............about guns.

I knew someone had posted that!!

Thanks Steadfast for coming to my rescue.

So how did he become "armed" now??? Obviously not a issued gun from the Marines. If he had one, wouldn't it need to be registered???

[Littledeer]

LMAO...we're all crazy cept for Janet!!!!:crazy:


Well guess Janet won't kill any of us tonight then! :)

[JDB]

exactly......

course if he'd had a gun, why not use that on Maria, & say she shot herself???....i guess he could have been soooooo pissed & in the heat of the moment, just grabbed a crowbar & hit her.....hmmm, that scenario would make me think he DID kill her in the garage.....folks don't normally keep a crowbar inside the home...unless it's for protection by a bed, like a baseball bat, maybe??

PSST then ballistice would come in!!!

[close_enough]

Which would explain the shovel on the 16th.

gosh, i wish we'd get a press conference relating to these newest details!

[STEADFAST]

So how did he become "armed" now??? Obviously not a issued gun from the Marines. If he had one, wouldn't it need to be registered???

Er . . . because if it wasn't, that would be against the law? Don't think the rapist/murderer would let that stop him, probably.:rolleyes:

[close_enough]

PSST then ballistice would come in!!!

oh yeeeaaaaaa!.....duh!!! lol

[JanetElaine]

LMAO...we're all crazy cept for Janet!!!!:crazy:

I wouldn't be so quick to say that, LOL! :crazy:

[MysteryAddict]

actually i'm surprised he didn't take the murder weapon with him, from Jacksonville to Morrisville...he could have disposed of it on the way....i'm not a cold blooded killer, but i would have done it like that!

Parts of this crime seemed to be cleverly premeditated such as the
"forged note" to Durham about leaving, the buying of the bus ticket to
El Paso by someone disguised as Maria, the shuffling of money through Western Union etc..

Other parts of this crime are downright stupid, such as doing the killing with
a crow bar causing blood spatter all over the house, burying the body in his own back yard and leaving the murder weapon behind when he left.

It doesn't seem to compute unless two different people were in control at different times, one much more clever than the other.

Does this make sense?

[Littledeer]

too late to take it back Janet.

:)

But if you are crazy.........I got antlers to protect me! :)

[Littledeer]

myster:

Either that or Mr. J and Hyde have come back.

I thought it made sense. Either two different people or just one person with dare I say....................split personalities??

[close_enough]

Parts of this crime seemed to be cleverly premeditated such as the
"forged note" to Durham about leaving, the buying of the bus ticket to
El Paso by someone disguised as Maria, the shuffling of money through Western Union etc..

Other parts of this crime are downright stupid, such as doing the killing with
a crow bar causing blood spatter all over the house, burying the body in his own back yard and leaving the murder weapon behind when he left.

It doesn't seem to compute unless two different people were in control at different times, one much more clever than the other.

Does this make sense?

yes it does!.....i hadn't thought of it that way, hmmmm

[STEADFAST]

Parts of this crime seemed to be cleverly premeditated such as the
"forged note" to Durham about leaving, the buying of the bus ticket to
El Paso by someone disguised as Maria, the shuffling of money through Western Union etc..

Other parts of this crime are downright stupid, such as doing the killing with
a crow bar causing blood spatter all over the house, burying the body in his own back yard and leaving the murder weapon behind when he left.

It doesn't seem to compute unless two different people were in control at different times, one much more clever than the other.

Does this make sense?

Yes, it sounds to me like Mrs. Laurean is smarter than Mr. Laurean.

[close_enough]

too late to take it back Janet.

:)

But if you are crazy.........I got antlers to protect me! :)

LOL, you nut!

[SuziQ]

It doesn't seem to compute unless two different people were in control at different times, one much more clever than the other.

Does this make sense?

Oh yeah it does.

[Littledeer]

It certainly does appear that some aspects are very controlled and thought out and then others that are very haphazard thrown in.

Now, Stead thinks there are two people that might be involved. Namely, Cesar and Christina.

What we know so far as fact, is Cesar is wanted for the murder of Maria and Gabriel. Christina is a witness and under some type of protection now, and until such time as further evidence comes forth, will remain so.

I would think that if LE thinks that Christina was involved she would be arrested. But as I was just typing this...........I thought..........maybe she has/will be but is still helping out. Is that possible??

[Littledeer]

close:

What does "nut" have to do with antlers??

[close_enough]

a credible tip was given over the phone to LE today!...just turned the TV on, so i missed what the tip was....anybody watching???

eta...watching Greta

[JDB]

close:

What does "nut" have to do with antlers??

You got the antler caught on a Nut Tree and it is sticking:crazy:

[peace9274]

a credible tip was given over the phone to LE today!...just turned the TV on, so i missed what the tip was....anybody watching???

eta...watching Greta

He said a credible someone called the tipline and claimed to know that POS is in the west! And they are taking the caller seriously.

(West = West of what? The Mississippi?) :rolleyes:

[Littledeer]

CLOSE:

What tip?????????????

[close_enough]

OK...here we go.....

LE is saying that Maria DID purchase the ticket on the 14th, FOR departure on the 15th!

this would make more sense then.....

[close_enough]

He said a credible someone called the tipline and claimed to know that POS is in the west! And they are taking the caller seriously.

(West = West of what? The Mississippi?) :rolleyes:

lol, yeah...west of what????

maybe Nevada?...hmmm, in the desert somewhere?

thanks, i didn't catch anything but "there was a tip"

[JanetElaine]

You got the antler caught on a Nut Tree and it is sticking:crazy:

ROFL! That's it, I'm ordering you all to get to bed and get some sleep right now! Littledeer, you're too small, we need a big deer, a 10 point at least. So don't worry. :) I'm off, g'night!

[Littledeer]

West as still in the US???? DUH........WHAT'S WEST OF MEXICO?? nothing.

which means he is still in the US POSSIBLY???????

[peace9274]

He also said that they've partnered with America's Most Wanted.
That the show (Amer's Most Wanted) on Saturday will show this.

[KR2tonenow]

Greta on Fox talking to FBI guy now

[Littledeer]

JDB:

Taking antler out of nut tree. LOL

[Littledeer]

keep typing all of you GREAT PEOPLE WHO ARE WATCHING GRETA........

STOMPING............

[close_enough]

ROFL! That's it, I'm ordering you all to get to bed and get some sleep right now! Littledeer, you're too small, we need a big deer, a 10 point at least. So don't worry. :) I'm off, g'night!

nite, Janet!

[SuziQ]

I saw this mentioned at Greta, no known connection pure speculation, but hmmmm:

http://www.fox12news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7630608

He was visiting his family in Caldwell while on pre-deployment leave from Camp Lejeune in North Carolina. He had dedicated his life to the service of his country and was taken from us by a tragic event in the early morning hours of Jan. 15, 2008. His family and friends request the respect of privacy in their mourning."

[peace9274]

"Laurean had less than 5k when he went on the run."

[close_enough]

He also said that they've partnered with America's Most Wanted.
That the show (Amer's Most Wanted) on Saturday will show this.

great!...will definately catch the show

[KR2tonenow]

I saw this mentioned at Greta, no known connection pure speculation, but hmmmm:

http://www.fox12news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7630608

He was visiting his family in Caldwell while on pre-deployment leave from Camp Lejeune in North Carolina. He had dedicated his life to the service of his country and was taken from us by a tragic event in the early morning hours of Jan. 15, 2008. His family and friends request the respect of privacy in their mourning."

This story becomes more and more mysterious! We need to find out what unit he was in, is this connected to Laurean, I wonder?

[SuziQ]

Another article regarding Marine Lance Corporal Nicholas Hill

Remember this is pure speculation.

(snip)
Police say he was fully clothed but there were some strange things about the scene don't add up, but they would not go into detail. They did confirm he is a marine on active duty. His family also confirmed that he owns guns, however police don't know if it was his weapon that killed him. Police are waiting on forensic test results taken from the gun. They're still trying to piece together what happened.
http://www.2news.tv/news/13824057.html

[close_enough]

ya know....no wonder we (most of us anyway) were confused on the 14th/15th thing......it makes more sense now, why LE would think Maria was killed on the 14th....if she left the base early that day, went & purchased a bus ticket, then at some point hooks up w/Cesar, he COULD have killed her on the 14th.....this means that it IS possible she left the note for Durham...(i kind of think she didn't now, but i'm back to "it's possible" again.......)

since LE is stating that she purchased the ticket on the 14th, for a bus ride on the 15th, she could very well have been murdered that same day...like ember posted...LE could have info of no cell phone activity after a certain point on the 14th, no banking done after a certain point on the 14th.......this must be how they're thinking she was murdered some time on the 14th.....right?

[close_enough]

ugh....ok, i'm outta here before i get hung up with the "server busy" crap again....later!:)

[Pharlap]

From what I saw on Nancy and greta, there different it was the 14.

[peace9274]

Yep.... the server is busy!

Just want to let you know that during the past ~ 10 minutes, Greta had Newt Gingrige on.

Go figure... especially during such an important true crime case!

[Pharlap]

Another article regarding Marine Lance Corporal Nicholas Hill

Remember this is pure speculation.

(snip)
Police say he was fully clothed but there were some strange things about the scene don't add up, but they would not go into detail. They did confirm he is a marine on active duty. His family also confirmed that he owns guns, however police don't know if it was his weapon that killed him. Police are waiting on forensic test results taken from the gun. They're still trying to piece together what happened.
http://www.2news.tv/news/13824057.html

Idaho is pretty far up there.....


http://www.nightscaping.com/dealerselect1/select_images/usa_map.gif

[SuziQ]

Idaho is pretty far up there.....


http://www.nightscaping.com/dealerselect1/select_images/usa_map.gif

Lol, Smarty pants. I may not know what day it is, but I do know where Idaho is. I live not far from the Idaho border. :slap:

The real connection is the base he was from. Suicide from guilt is always a possibility.

[Pharlap]

Lol, Smarty pants. I may not know what day it is, but I do know where Idaho is. I live not far from the Idaho border. :slap:

The real connection is the base he was from. Suicide from guilt is always a possibility.


Ok smarty pants, I used you quote because you had a link, next time I'll use another.
Wanted the link to forward, not anything you said.....:eek:

[philamena]

He'll never commit suicide. He killed a pregnant woman he raped, hit her in the head, killed her and had a BBAQ over her...he won't kill himself.

[SuziQ]

He'll never commit suicide. He killed a pregnant woman he raped, hit her in the head, killed her and had a BBAQ over her...he won't kill himself.

The suicide I was talking about was with the guy in Idaho. Guilt drives people to do strange things.

[SuziQ]

Ok smarty pants, I used you quote because you had a link, next time I'll use another.
Wanted the link to forward, not anything you said.....:eek:

I hope you know I was only teasing you. :blowkiss:

[philamena]

The suicide I was talking about was with the guy in Idaho. Guilt drives people to do strange things.

SuziQ,
Sorry about me misunderstanding who you were talking about.

Any reason this other guy would have anything to do with Maria's murder?

[SuziQ]

NANCY GRACE
Laurean`s Wife May Have Known of Murder a Day Before Contacting Police
Aired January 17, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/17/ng.01.html

[SuziQ]

SuziQ,
Sorry about my misunderstanding who you were talking about.

Any reason this other guy would have anything to do with Maria's murder?

Nope, pure speculation, was mentioned by a poster at Gretawire. Only link so far is they were both Lnc Cpl's at the same base.

[chiperoni]

I just posted the story above that said twice Christina was at the party. READ the article! Whether she was in Cesar's unit or not, she was at the party. I am sure the party goers have confirmed this.

I'm sure that's her alibi too.

[chiperoni]

Respectfully snipped.
It's int