Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #9

[WindChime]

Continue here please...

[Jaded]

Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #8 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58692)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58574)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #6 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58547)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58506)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58496)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58465)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58429)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58274)

[close_enough]

thank you!

[ttrachel04]

i just saw on the CNN website that they're now wondering if he's out west.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/18/missing.marine/index.html

And according to FoxNews, AMW obtained surveillance video showing Laurean using Marie Lauterbach's ATM card and video of him at Lowe's buy shovels and paint which cops think he used to conceal the crime scene.

FoxNews is still reporting that officials believe he's in Mexico ... so I'm a bit confused as to what's going on. But I figured I'd update this!

[Rum Tum Tugger]

Man - these threads are closing fast! Whew!

Okay .. tried posting this on the last thread.


Shepard Smith ran a promo at 6:30 stating he will have new information & "surveillance video" on his program at 7 PM. ATM video?

Hmmmm - Don't know what it is - but, he has peaked my interest. FOX News - 7 PM EST

Rum Tum

[close_enough]

Man - these threads are closing fast! Whew!

Okay .. tried posting this on the last thread.


Shepard Smith ran a promo at 6:30 stating he will have new information & "surveillance video" on his program at 7 PM. ATM video?

Hmmmm - Don't know what it is - but, he has peaked my interest. FOX News - 7 PM EST

Rum Tum

thanks RT...that's 10 minutes from now..turning on the tube

[murdershewrote]

The new sheriff spokesman said that they did get what they thought was a credible lead that he was out west...which obviously covers alot of territory. But my gut tells me that, if true, he might be in San Diego, close to Camp Pendleton, where he could have alot of Marine pals. And close to the Mexico border as well.

But his mother is in Nevada, right? so that's out west as well. I'm open to where he might be...the last letter that we know of was mailed from Houston so he was travelling in a westerly direction at that point.

As NG says, they always run home to mama, so I think LE should start putting more pressure on her (not to be cruel to the poor woman) because I would bet she knows exactly where he is.

[KR2tonenow]

i just saw on the CNN website that they're now wondering if he's out west.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/18/missing.marine/index.html

And according to FoxNews, AMW obtained surveillance video showing Laurean using Marie Lauterbach's ATM card and video of him at Lowe's buy shovels and paint which cops think he used to conceal the crime scene.

FoxNews is still reporting that officials believe he's in Mexico ... so I'm a bit confused as to what's going on. But I figured I'd update this!

It wouldn't surprise me if his family was helping him. They are in Las Vegas.

[close_enough]

video provided by AMW shows Cesar & another guy going into a store (Lowe's or Home Depot)....he got several things; two being paint & concrete blocks.....

they also show a picture of him at the ATM....he has a pullover cap on...doesn't cover his face though...apparently once he got closer to the ATM machine he must have put a rag over the camera, but they got a pic of him before he did so...

the above is per foxnews....

eta...just found this link at fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/

eta to correct

[BeavisMom62]

I'm wondering, if when POS and wifey were on their way to the attorney on the morning of 1-10-08 and THAT was when he told her that he killed Maria, WHY were they going to the attorney in the first place? (I know I read that on the last thread.) Regarding the rape charges? If so, would you really want your wife there? I would go back and look for the link but its taken me two days to get caught up on this and I really can't go back and re-read! My eyeballs are gonna fall out!

[golfmom]

video provided by AMW shows Cesar & another guy going into a store (Lowe's or Home Depot)....he got several things; two being paint & concrete blocks.....

they also show a video of him at the ATM....he has a pullover cap on...doesn't cover his face though...

the above is per foxnews....

eta...just found this link at fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/

Shoot I missed it! Did they provide any dates?????
Please tell me they provided the dates of the videos!!!!

[close_enough]

Shoot I missed it! Did they provide any dates?????
Please tell me they provided the dates of the videos!!!!

Dec 24th..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,323865,00.html

[murdershewrote]

he looks like a thug...good grief.

[close_enough]

so, it sounds like they DO believe he crossed the border from Laredo TX...

[Rum Tum Tugger]

Shep reporting that Christina may have an alibi - that she was at the Christmas party when Cesar murdered & buried Maria.

A short clip of Cesar & another unknown man shown shopping on Dec. 24th (1700 hours) at Lowes for concrete blocks & paint.

A source close to investigation confirmed today that Laurean crossed over into Mexico on a bus via Laredo.

LE feels that he had help both with Maria's car & getting out of the country.

Hard to get this posted - keep getting booted or busy servers.

Rum Tum

[close_enough]

dumbass...guess he didn't think the ATM camera would pan out that wide, as he was walking up to it...

[close_enough]

Shep reporting that Christina may have an alibi - that she was at the Christmas party when Cesar murdered & buried Maria.

A short clip of Cesar & another unknown man shown shopping on Dec. 24th (1700 hours) at Lowes for concrete blocks & paint.

A source close to investigation confirmed today that Laurean crossed over into Mexico on a bus via Laredo.

LE feels that he had help both with Maria's car & getting out of the country.

Hard to get this posted - keep getting booted or busy servers.

Rum Tum

yep!....& i don't think that help was Christina....

[MysteryAddict]

I had tried to respond to a post by "close enough" on #8 but things are moving soooo fast was unable to.

It states that" LCpl Lauterbach's cell phone is found along Highway 24 in Jacksonville, NC. The phone was used to make several calls by stranded motorist, one of which was LCpl Lauterbach's sister, who requests
that the individual turn the phone into the police."


Maria's sister?

Talk about a bazaar case! Can you believe - Maria's cell phone is found along the highway in Jacksonville and is used by stranded motorists--one of them just happens to be her SISTER?????

Unbelievable! What a coincidence!

Who knew she had a sister in the area?

[murdershewrote]

concrete blocks? Is there body of water around there anywhere that he planned to weigh her body down with these...but somehow his plan got messed up? I mean, burying her in his own back yard must have been a plan of last resort, IMO>

[close_enough]

concrete blocks? Is there body of water around there anywhere that he planned to weigh her body down with these...but somehow his plan got messed up? I mean, burying her in his own back yard must have been a plan of last resort, IMO>

i think the blocks were those we saw in the backyard....he used them to surround a fire pit....IMO

[close_enough]

no date given yet as to when he & the other guy in the video made this trip to Lowe's....would be nice to know that bit of info

[BeavisMom62]

Laurean and his wife were driving to meet with an attorney on Jan. 10 when he told her that Lauterbach is dead and he had buried her body out of fear, the affidavits show. (from Fox news)

[close_enough]

I had tried to respond to a post by "close enough" on #8 but things are moving soooo fast was unable to.

It states that" LCpl Lauterbach's cell phone is found along Highway 24 in Jacksonville, NC. The phone was used to make several calls by stranded motorist, one of which was LCpl Lauterbach's sister, who requests
that the individual turn the phone into the police."


Maria's sister?

Talk about a bazaar case! Can you believe - Maria's cell phone is found along the highway in Jacksonville and is used by stranded motorists--one of them just happens to be her SISTER?????

Unbelievable! What a coincidence!

Who knew she had a sister in the area?

ok, the way i understood that is.....her sister called Maria's cell phone & when someone answered, she asked them to take the phone to LE....

it confused me at first also, lol:crazy:

[BeavisMom62]

I had tried to respond to a post by "close enough" on #8 but things are moving soooo fast was unable to.

It states that" LCpl Lauterbach's cell phone is found along Highway 24 in Jacksonville, NC. The phone was used to make several calls by stranded motorist, one of which was LCpl Lauterbach's sister, who requests
that the individual turn the phone into the police."


Maria's sister?

Talk about a bazaar case! Can you believe - Maria's cell phone is found along the highway in Jacksonville and is used by stranded motorists--one of them just happens to be her SISTER?????

Unbelievable! What a coincidence!

Who knew she had a sister in the area?

I think it was supposed to say "one of which was TO LCpl Lauterbach's sister". I saw that too and I thought the same thing.

[BeavisMom62]

LOL, close.

[Rum Tum Tugger]

yep!....& i don't think that help was Christina....


I totally agree, close enough.

I'm beginning to think she just may have been a victim in all this along with Maria. Personally - I hope she's innocent of any "knowing complicity" in the murder & cover-up.

Either way - she has a rough road ahead of her.

Rum Tum

[Jaded]

concrete blocks? Is there body of water around there anywhere that he planned to weigh her body down with these...but somehow his plan got messed up? I mean, burying her in his own back yard must have been a plan of last resort, IMO>

Onslow Bay is in the area accessible on the base. It's an inlet of the Atlantic Ocean.

[BeavisMom62]

so much doesn't make sense. Where was Maria's body from 12-14-07 to when it was found? What in the world was CL doing from 12-14 to 12-24? Was Xtina actually living in a blood spattered house for 10 days? How could POS not have told his wife from 12-14-07 to 1-10-08 about the murder, considering there was blood on the walls part of that time? I would like to believe also, that Xtina isn't involved, but I can't see how she COULDN'T be.

[happy2bn10ec]

ok, the way i understood that is.....her sister called Maria's cell phone & when someone answered, she asked them to take the phone to LE....

it confused me at first also, lol:crazy:

hi close!

I was just sitting here talking about how SICKENING that they have him on tape using Marie's debit card to buy supplies to bury her with...and my husband said "What do you expect - what kind of person do you think he is? After all, he just murdered her."

I am still stunned.

[Pharlap]

Big question for me, when was she buried?:confused:

[close_enough]

so much doesn't make sense. Where was Maria's body from 12-14-07 to when it was found? What in the world was CL doing from 12-14 to 12-24? Was Xtina actually living in a blood spattered house for 10 days? How could POS not have told his wife from 12-14-07 to 1-10-08 about the murder, considering there was blood on the walls part of that time? I would like to believe also, that Xtina isn't involved, but I can't see how she COULDN'T be.

from what i've gathered, LE had to use luminol to see the blood in the house/garage.....i don't think Christina ever saw the blood....

sure wish we knew the date that Cesar & his friend/companion went to that Lowe's....

[KR2tonenow]

[quote=close_enough;1922302]video provided by AMW shows Cesar & another guy going into a store (Lowe's or Home Depot)....he got several things; two being paint & concrete blocks.....

they also show a picture of him at the ATM....he has a pullover cap on...doesn't cover his face though...apparently once he got closer to the ATM machine he must have put a rag over the camera, but they got a pic of him before he did so...

the above is per foxnews....

eta...just found this link at fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/

Unbelievable! on Xmas eve planning a human BBQ and painting! Worse yet with her money!!! I wish they could nail down the TOD. Is it the 14th or 15th???
I am speechless...:mad:

[happy2bn10ec]

Onslow Bay is in the area accessible on the base. It's an inlet of the Atlantic Ocean.

Camp LJ is on the coast - maybe he was going to dump her in the ocean?

O/T That is where I found the biggest shark's tooth I have ever found. My brother-in-law is the base archeologist there and took us on base to the beach. He was actually called out early in the investigation for check out a skeleton a fisherman found that they thought MIGHT have been Marie. But it was from a 1700's gravesite that was supposedly moved in 1941, but overlooked somehow. It had washed up on a riverbank.

[close_enough]

Big question for me, when was she buried?:confused:

if she wasn't buried the night of the 14th, then i think she was buried sometime on the 15th.....jmo

unless he had a friend/helper run the body all over the place to diff places....i find that hard to believe though....

[KR2tonenow]

if she wasn't buried the night of the 14th, then i think she was buried sometime on the 15th.....jmo

unless he had a friend/helper run the body all over the place to diff places....i find that hard to believe though....

Does his wife have an alibi for the 14th?

[close_enough]

[quote=close_enough;1922302]video provided by AMW shows Cesar & another guy going into a store (Lowe's or Home Depot)....he got several things; two being paint & concrete blocks.....

they also show a picture of him at the ATM....he has a pullover cap on...doesn't cover his face though...apparently once he got closer to the ATM machine he must have put a rag over the camera, but they got a pic of him before he did so...

the above is per foxnews....

eta...just found this link at fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/

Unbelievable! on Xmas eve planning a human BBQ and painting! Worse yet with her money!!! I wish they could nail down the TOD. Is it the 14th or 15th???
I am speechless...:mad:

in everything i've read the last two days, & from Greta's show last night, LE feels confidant she was murdered on the 14th, sounds to me......

do we know that Cesar painted on the 24th?

[close_enough]

Does his wife have an alibi for the 14th?

i don't know....everything's been so screwy with the dates of the 14th & 15th, but IMO, i think she was at the party on the 14th...but i could be wrong....very confusing with all the diff reports we've been given...

[Pharlap]

Does his wife have an alibi for the 14th?

When all this is said and done, it will be completely different then all the correct info that's not correct, facts that are not correct and cover ups.
This to me is a "crap shoot"

:rolleyes:

[close_enough]

Camp LJ is on the coast - maybe he was going to dump her in the ocean?

O/T That is where I found the biggest shark's tooth I have ever found. My brother-in-law is the base archeologist there and took us on base to the beach. He was actually called out early in the investigation for check out a skeleton a fisherman found that they thought MIGHT have been Marie. But it was from a 1700's gravesite that was supposedly moved in 1941, but overlooked somehow. It had washed up on a riverbank.

hi there Hap (waving) :)

hey, i think the concrete blocks were the ones he used in the backyard to surround the fire pit....makes sense to me, so the fire can't spread onto the yard....what do you think?

[close_enough]

heck, did the neighbor ever say when all these fires were in Cesar's backyard???...did he ever give a date for the other fires going on, other than the bonfire on Christmas?

[galvino]

My bet, with the phone thing, is that a stranded motorist found the phone, then used it to start calling stored #s in her contact list until he/she reached Maria's sister (the 1st person to answer) who probably said it was her sister's phone, she is missing, please turn it over to police...

[happy2bn10ec]

hi there Hap (waving) :)

hey, i think the concrete blocks were the ones he used in the backyard to surround the fire pit....makes sense to me, so the fire can't spread onto the yard....what do you think?

I agree - I put great big rocks around mine, but mine is just a little circle.

[close_enough]

My bet, with the phone thing, is that a stranded motorist found the phone, then used it to start calling stored #s in her contact list until he/she reached Maria's sister (the 1st person to answer) who probably said it was her sister's phone, she is missing, please turn it over to police...

sounds logical also!

[happy2bn10ec]

My bet, with the phone thing, is that a stranded motorist found the phone, then used it to start calling stored #s in her contact list until he/she reached Maria's sister (the 1st person to answer) who probably said it was her sister's phone, she is missing, please turn it over to police...

That's what I was thinking - someone trying to find out who it belonged to by calling the numbers stored in it.

[close_enough]

I agree - I put great big rocks around mine, but mine is just a little circle.

remember that ROARING bonfire you & i made one winter? ;)

[Rum Tum Tugger]

no date given yet as to when he & the other guy in the video made this trip to Lowe's....would be nice to know that bit of info


I posted the date & time in my post on page #1.

According to time date posted on video from Lowes - it was Dec. 24th at 1702 hours - 5:02 PM EST.

According to the next door neighbor - Cesar had the 1st bonfire on the 23rd - the day before Christmas eve. He apparently then purchased the cement blocks on the 24th - then had a 2nd bonfire at the BBQ party he had with friends.

If charcoal was purchased - I would imagine it was purchased at that same time. (to be placed inside the concrete blocks - over the gravesite)


Rum Tum

[close_enough]

I posted the date & time in my post on page #1.

According to time date posted on video from Lowes - it was Dec. 24th at 1702 hours - 5:02 PM EST.

According to the next door neighbor - Cesar had the 1st bonfire on the 23rd - the day before Christmas eve. He apparently then purchased the cement blocks on the 24th - then had a 2nd bonfire at the BBQ party he had with friends.

If charcoal was purchased - I would imagine it was purchased at that same time. (to be placed inside the concrete blocks - over the gravesite)


Rum Tum

OMG!:eek:

then her body was where all that time????....could it have been buried in the yard, but not yet burned????...i'm going to go with that then ...for now...thanks for setting me straight RT..

[happy2bn10ec]

remember that ROARING bonfire you & i made one winter? ;)

As soon as I typed that, I KNEW you'd think about that!

I SWEAR, I really can build a fire...as long as I have enough lighter fluid and firestarter logs!!!

[close_enough]

As soon as I typed that, I KNEW you'd think about that!

I SWEAR, I really can build a fire...as long as I have enough lighter fluid and firestarted logs!!!

LMAO!

(it was still fun though)

[BeavisMom62]

from what i've gathered, LE had to use luminol to see the blood in the house/garage.....i don't think Christina ever saw the blood....

sure wish we knew the date that Cesar & his friend/companion went to that Lowe's....

I thought that the Lowe's trip was on 12-24-07? Also, I thought that the nosy neighbor said his wife spoke to Xtina who said she was helping her husband paint?

[happy2bn10ec]

LMAO!

(it was still fun though)

was, wasn't it???

You should come back. Soon. Anytime.

[close_enough]

was, wasn't it???

You should come back. Soon. Anytime.

never know when i'll get a 'wild hair':cool:

[BeavisMom62]

As soon as I typed that, I KNEW you'd think about that!

I SWEAR, I really can build a fire...as long as I have enough lighter fluid and firestarter logs!!!

Lighter fluid AND firestarter logs?!?!! that must have seen SOME blaze!!! Would have loved to see that. Hubby and are I "firestarters" too. Our largest was a dead, dried up, 6 foot christmas tree. Flames shot about 30 feet high!

[glezell]

OMG!:eek:

then her body was where all that time????....could it have been buried in the yard, but not yet burned????...i'm going to go with that then ...for now...thanks for setting me straight RT..

Didn't some neighbors say buzzards were circling? Maybe as time went on he decided he had to do something different to cover the crime and 10 days later decided to burn her, but surely he wouldn't have experimented with that when people were over.

I bet he asked a friend who was maybe coming over for the party, to go with him to lowes to help him build a fire pit. If she was buried a few feet down then dirt over her and a fire pit on top of her, would there be enough heat to burn her?

[KR2tonenow]

NG absent but all about Laurean...now

[Rum Tum Tugger]

Does his wife have an alibi for the 14th?


Quite Possibly, she does.

I believe the Christmas Party at the Base was on the 14th. Christina said she attended. She expected Cesar to be there but he never came.

It was reported today by FOX that she may have an alibi for the time that Maria was murdered. LE feels the murder took place on the 14th - not the 15th.

Rum Tum

[galvino]

Maybe he somehow kept her hidden in the garage- (thinking 'bout DP and a rubermaid container) & cleaned the blood as best he could (maybe xtina didn't park/ go in there often)... until he could bury her unseen. He could have come up with cockamamie excuses as to 'projects' to do before having friends over for holidays. Heck, maybe he told her not to go into the garage b/c her xmas prezzy was in there?

He may have realized closer to xmas that he was going to have to paint because he couldn't get all the blood off? I still wonder how much blood was in the house itself - if that blood he thought he sufficiently cleaned because it was transfer not splatter

Or maybe he hid her body in her own car until he buried it, since neighbors saw him in it ???

Just throwing anything to see if it sticks!

[Rum Tum Tugger]

Does his wife have an alibi for the 14th?


Quite Possibly, she does.

I believe the Christmas Party at the Base was on the 14th. Christina said she attended. She expected Cesar to be there but he never came.

It was reported today by FOX that she may have an alibi for the time that Maria was murdered. LE feels the murder took place on the 14th - not the 15th.

(busy server - slow posting)

Rum Tum

[happy2bn10ec]

Lighter fluid AND firestarter logs?!?!! that must have seen SOME blaze!!! Would have loved to see that. Hubby and are I "firestarters" too. Our largest was a dead, dried up, 6 foot christmas tree. Flames shot about 30 feet high!

Nope, actually I failed MISERABLy that night. It was about 20 degrees and we were determined to sit around a campfire and listen to "Redneck Woman" and I couldn't get a fire goin' to save my life...but I didn't have any firestarters! We had planned this for months - when close came to visit me, we were gonna sit around a fire and listen to Gretchen.

Usually, I can get a fire started with one-half of a firestarter and NO fluid. Our husbands thought we had flipped our lids staying out in the cold that long...that was one fun weekend, I have to add.

[glezell]

Lowes purchases were 12/16

[KR2tonenow]

12/16 buying paint and blocks at Lowe's on the video

[happy2bn10ec]

never know when i'll get a 'wild hair':cool:



PLEASE give me more notice that sitting here at the computer and seeing you pull up the driveway!!! I will cook for you if you do!

(that WAS hilarious!)

[KR2tonenow]

12/14 based on evidence, that LE has come to the conclusion she was killed that day

[close_enough]

Didn't some neighbors say buzzards were circling? Maybe as time went on he decided he had to do something different to cover the crime and 10 days later decided to burn her, but surely he wouldn't have experimented with that when people were over.
I bet he asked a friend who was maybe coming over for the party, to go with him to lowes to help him build a fire pit. If she was buried a few feet down then dirt over her and a fire pit on top of her, would there be enough heat to burn her?

good point glezell...i'd forgotten about the buzzards!..yeah, i can picture him noticing them & thinking "i've got to do something"....hmmm

depending how deep she was buried, but it sounds logical to me that building a large enough fire over the grave would probably do the trick as far as getting down to burn her...(oh, sounds awful to type)
...someone said the other night, it's possible he did it the way you're talking about...it's like she was "cooked"....ugh:(

also, good point about him getting a friend to help with supplies for the bonfire....i guess him having a friend w/him, doesn't MAKE it sinister....

gosh, someone on NG's show just said this case has more twists & turns than a roller coaster....i agree!

[close_enough]

12/16 buying paint and blocks at Lowe's on the video

12/16?...heck, Rum Tum posted all that stuff was purchased on the 24th!!!...good grief!!!!

[happy2bn10ec]

good point glezell...i'd forgotten about the buzzards!..yeah, i can picture him noticing them & thinking "i've got to do something"....hmmm

depending how deep she was buried, but it sounds logical to me that building a large enough fire over the grave would probably do the trick as far as getting down to burn her...(oh, sounds awful to type)
...someone said the other night, it's possible he did it the way you're talking about...it's like she was "cooked"....ugh:(

also, good point about him getting a friend to help with supplies for the bonfire....i guess him having a friend w/him, doesn't MAKE it sinister....

gosh, someone on NG's show just said this case has more twists & turns than a roller coaster....i agree!

"more twists and turns than a roller coaster" - I think there's going to be way more than we can imagine - even all the brilliant sleuthing
minds here. I just don't know what the twists are gonna be.

[Rum Tum Tugger]

I thought that the Lowe's trip was on 12-24-07? Also, I thought that the nosy neighbor said his wife spoke to Xtina who said she was helping her husband paint?


The neighbor said that the conversation his wife had with Christina was after the 24th. (On the Record interview)

Rum Tum

[close_enough]

Lighter fluid AND firestarter logs?!?!! that must have seen SOME blaze!!! Would have loved to see that. Hubby and are I "firestarters" too. Our largest was a dead, dried up, 6 foot christmas tree. Flames shot about 30 feet high!

LMAO!...

[Txlurker]

Tonight on our local news (Corpus Christi,Tx) it was reported that someone matching Laurean description was seen in store in Premont, TX. The FBI is going to follow up the lead and talk with the clerk and other witnesses. As soon as I can get a link to post I will. Just thought I would pass on this info.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&country=US&addtohistory=&searchtab=home&address=&city=premont&state=TX&zipcode=&icid=rbox_cities.M

[ThoughtFox]

Once we get the Nancy Grace Transcript (usually an hour or so after the show ends) maybe someone can do a timeline.

Does anyone know how he could have used her ATM? How did he get her code? :waitasec:

[close_enough]

PLEASE give me more notice that sitting here at the computer and seeing you pull up the driveway!!! I will cook for you if you do!

(that WAS hilarious!)

oh, i will:)

just couldn't pass right by & not stop...that'll never happen again in a hundred years, lol....

& i want lasagna when i come!

[Tom'sGirl]

video provided by AMW shows Cesar & another guy going into a store (Lowe's or Home Depot)....he got several things; two being paint & concrete blocks.....

they also show a picture of him at the ATM....he has a pullover cap on...doesn't cover his face though...apparently once he got closer to the ATM machine he must have put a rag over the camera, but they got a pic of him before he did so...

the above is per foxnews....

eta...just found this link at fox...

http://www.foxnews.com/

eta to correct
Thanks for the link close. The phone interview Shep had with Wanda Alander offered up absolutely nothing on her end :crazy:

[MysteryAddict]

ok, the way i understood that is.....her sister called Maria's cell phone & when someone answered, she asked them to take the phone to LE....

it confused me at first also, lol:crazy:

OK, thanks a lot! I should have figured that out myself. LOL

[galvino]

Wonder why they have not announced on NG that the baby was a girl?

[BritDees]

Yep Close they said 12/16 on NG's show.

By the way, I looked at another video on that Fox link that was posted earlier. It was an interview with the neighbor lady and they were discussing the fire in the fire pit. She said, it didn't stink of anything other than a normal fire pit.. Sheesh!

As someone pointed out a few threads back, hair stinks when it's been burned...I can't believe she didn't smell anything strange!

[happy2bn10ec]

LMAO!...

Hey...my Christmas tree is laying at the back of my backyard, all brown and dried up - ready to be a bonfire. Surely to heavens, I could start a fire with it!!!

Any takers???

[close_enough]

"more twists and turns than a roller coaster" - I think there's going to be way more than we can imagine - even all the brilliant sleuthing
minds here. I just don't know what the twists are gonna be.

yeah, & unless it's the new spokesperson for LE (the one that took the Sheriffs place as far as speaking to the media) i don't have a lot of faith in what we hear.....

make sure you watch America's Most Wanted tomorrow night...should be interesting, although i think some of their info is a bit off, from what i've read....maybe they'll get some facts pinned down before the taping...

[panthera]

NG absent but all about Laurean...now
Good evening everyone! I'm hoping she has more coverage after this break. There's one thing I'm confused about though. I'd heard that the barbeque wasn't right on top of Maria's grave but closer to the house, yet last night Nancy (and Susan Moss tonight) said it was on her grave. :confused:

[close_enough]

OK, thanks a lot! I should have figured that out myself. LOL

no problem...i was VERY confused over that at first...you're not the only one:)

[close_enough]

Good evening everyone! I'm hoping she has more coverage after this break. There's one thing I'm confused about though. I'd heard that the barbeque wasn't right on top of Maria's grave but closer to the house, yet last night Nancy (and Susan Moss tonight) said it was on her grave. :confused:

see, that's confusing to me too....i think there were TWO fire pits....not sure why he'd have two, but......?

[happy2bn10ec]

oh, i will:)

just couldn't pass right by & not stop...that'll never happen again in a hundred years, lol....

& i want lasagna when i come!


OH, I am sooooo glad you did - just SHOCKED the crap outta me! Sitting here in my jammies at lunchtime. Shoulda been ashamed, but I wasn't!

Lasagna? Anytime - just need enough time to go to the store!

[galvino]

You are crekt Panthera. but Nance and Susan have been known to, um, go a bit over the top!

[panthera]

see, that's confusing to me too....i think there were TWO fire pits....not sure why he'd have two, but......?
While it's good for drama with Nancy to have him cooking food on top of the body, I'd really like to know the truth since she often does get her facts mixed up.

Another thing that seems to be changing, is there's a photo of him at an outdoor ATM, while other reports have been that it was an ATM inside a Wal-mart that he took the $400. from Maria's bank. At least now we're getting an idea what he spent the money on.

[happy2bn10ec]

see, that's confusing to me too....i think there were TWO fire pits....not sure why he'd have two, but......?

I don't see how the fire could affect her body if she was buried, except to cover up where he dug the hole. And if the fire wasn't up off the ground a little, it wouldn't burn.

But then again, I am certainly NOT the fire expert around here...:)

[panthera]

You are crekt Panthera. but Nance and Susan have been known to, um, go a bit over the top!
Oh good :) I thought they were wrong, and especially last night when Nancy inferred a bunch of Marines there having a BBQ well, it was sickening.

[close_enough]

Maybe he somehow kept her hidden in the garage- (thinking 'bout DP and a rubermaid container) & cleaned the blood as best he could (maybe xtina didn't park/ go in there often)... until he could bury her unseen. He could have come up with cockamamie excuses as to 'projects' to do before having friends over for holidays. Heck, maybe he told her not to go into the garage b/c her xmas prezzy was in there?

He may have realized closer to xmas that he was going to have to paint because he couldn't get all the blood off? I still wonder how much blood was in the house itself - if that blood he thought he sufficiently cleaned because it was transfer not splatter

Or maybe he hid her body in her own car until he buried it, since neighbors saw him in it ???

Just throwing anything to see if it sticks!

hmmmm, maybe he put her body in the trunk of her own car for a day, maybe two??

good point about the garage being off limits for Christina, & the "projects" he wanted to get done before the holidays....

we've read that blood spatter was on a ceiling too.....from everything we've heard, it sure sounds like there was a lot of blood...course i don't doubt he could have cleaned it up as best as he could...even with paint, luminol would show if any blood had been in the house though.....

[SuziQ]

from what i've gathered, LE had to use luminol to see the blood in the house/garage.....i don't think Christina ever saw the blood....

sure wish we knew the date that Cesar & his friend/companion went to that Lowe's....

The luminol was after the paint. Who knows how much was visible before that was done. Obviously enough to need to paint, IMO.

[close_enough]

OH, I am sooooo glad you did - just SHOCKED the crap outta me! Sitting here in my jammies at lunchtime. Shoulda been ashamed, but I wasn't!

Lasagna? Anytime - just need enough time to go to the store!

;) ....

[panthera]

I don't see how the fire could affect her body if she was buried, except to cover up where he dug the hole. And if the fire wasn't up off the ground a little, it wouldn't burn.

But then again, I am certainly NOT the fire expert around here...:)
Originally it was said that he put the old fence boards alongside her body. If true, couldn't he use them to help burn her body?

[SuziQ]

My bet, with the phone thing, is that a stranded motorist found the phone, then used it to start calling stored #s in her contact list until he/she reached Maria's sister (the 1st person to answer) who probably said it was her sister's phone, she is missing, please turn it over to police...

Well the next time my car breaks down I hope I am that lucky. The dishonest person on the other end said that's why they were using the phone. I don't think I would believe a dishonest person. Besides this person didn't turn it over to police as requested. They threw it in the bushes outside the Marine base gate.
ETA: I'm not sure this person had anything to do with this case.....but they are guilty of hindering an investigation by not turning the phone into le and telling them where they found it.

[close_enough]

Once we get the Nancy Grace Transcript (usually an hour or so after the show ends) maybe someone can do a timeline.

Does anyone know how he could have used her ATM? How did he get her code? :waitasec:

some think that he may have forced it out of her...i personally don't see that, but it's possible......i think at some point, he may have been w/her when she went to get money (drive up ATM?) & saw her key in the pin #......

there's lots of theories on this.....that he may have asked her for it, so he could get money out for them, on their way to run off together...(a lie that Cesar may have told Maria..."let's run off together"....

some say he may have guessed it by her birthdate, things like that....OR i just heard a guy say that SOME folks actually keep their pin # in their wallets:eek:

[peace9274]

see, that's confusing to me too....i think there were TWO fire pits....not sure why he'd have two, but......?

There was a video of the back yard. An actual BBQ, large with a cover, close by the house, which is probably where the food was cooked.
There was a bon fire going that night also, over the area where Maria was buried. That site is further back in the yard, beyond the above ground pool.

That same video showed many concrete blocks that were several feet from the grave/bon fire site. It looked as though a circle was in the process of being made with the concrete blocks; an incomplete circle. Some blocks were still stacked to the side of the incomplete circle.

They were not surrounding the fire pit at all.

Was he making another fire pit? Was he going to move the body those several feet, to the new circle/site? Who knows what was going through POS' mind!

[BeavisMom62]

12/16 buying paint and blocks at Lowe's on the video

Oops, I thought the date on the video was 12-24-07? My bad.

[galvino]

They never said all the splatter was in the house, did they? Maybe all THAT was in the garage, he tried to clean it up, couldn't do it well & kept xtina out for a day or 2 from the garage. My bet is there was minimal blood inside the house that was transfer, thus easily located and cleaned up, but detected by luminol after police came (ie smears from transfer, cleaning up in bath and sinks, cleaned footprints )????

[close_enough]

Thanks for the link close. The phone interview Shep had with Wanda Alander offered up absolutely nothing on her end :crazy:

you're very welcome TG...& yes, i agree

[galvino]

SuziQ, I didn't know that they didn't turn it in, I thought they found it outside CLJ entrance, called then turned it in?

[peace9274]

So, he had an accomplice when he went to Lowe's. Now I see the reason for more than one shovel! Said he also bought those concrete blocks at the same time, and a wheelbarrow!

[Rum Tum Tugger]

12/16?...heck, Rum Tum posted all that stuff was purchased on the 24th!!!...good grief!!!!


Hey - I made a mistake, guys. SO Sorry!

I just went back & checked the recording. I thought that clip was of Laurean outside of Lowes just before entering the store. I posted the time stamp on that video. It was the clip of Laurean approaching the ATM machine. Dec. 24th 1702 hours. Ooops!

I went back and checked the Lowes video again. There was no time stamp on it and no one gave a date for that trip on the FOX report. (not the 16th or 24th)

Where did the Dec. 16th date come from?

Thanks. I apologize for my mistake.

Rum Tum

[panthera]

Maybe he somehow kept her hidden in the garage- (thinking 'bout DP and a rubermaid container) & cleaned the blood as best he could (maybe xtina didn't park/ go in there often)... until he could bury her unseen. He could have come up with cockamamie excuses as to 'projects' to do before having friends over for holidays. Heck, maybe he told her not to go into the garage b/c her xmas prezzy was in there?

He may have realized closer to xmas that he was going to have to paint because he couldn't get all the blood off? I still wonder how much blood was in the house itself - if that blood he thought he sufficiently cleaned because it was transfer not splatter

Or maybe he hid her body in her own car until he buried it, since neighbors saw him in it ???

Just throwing anything to see if it sticks!
Some good thoughts galvino, but if the date of the painting is right before Christmas, it gets worse for his wife, imo. How would she not know a crime had taken place if he waited that long to paint? Blood won't just wash off walls that easily especially if it's flat paint. And, there'd be a war in my house if I was told to keep my car parked outside at this time of year! Another thing, if he had her body in her car, why didn't he just dump her wherever? With the blood loss she had I doubt he transported her anywhere.

[SuziQ]

12/16 buying paint and blocks at Lowe's on the video

So where was Xtina on Saturday and Sunday?

[close_enough]

Yep Close they said 12/16 on NG's show.

By the way, I looked at another video on that Fox link that was posted earlier. It was an interview with the neighbor lady and they were discussing the fire in the fire pit. She said, it didn't stink of anything other than a normal fire pit.. Sheesh!

As someone pointed out a few threads back, hair stinks when it's been burned...I can't believe she didn't smell anything strange!

gosh, who do we believe?...foxnews or NG:confused:

i'm with you ... can't imagine someone not smelling a burning body....

[close_enough]

I don't see how the fire could affect her body if she was buried, except to cover up where he dug the hole. And if the fire wasn't up off the ground a little, it wouldn't burn.

But then again, I am certainly NOT the fire expert around here...:)

well, the way i heard it the other night, some guy was saying it would be like an oven of sorts & it would "cook" the body...i don't FULLY understand it either, Hap...

LOL @fire expert

[KR2tonenow]

Hey - I made a mistake, guys. SO Sorry!

I just went back & checked the recording. I thought that clip was of Laurean outside of Lowes just before entering the store. I posted the time stamp on that video. It was the clip of Laurean approaching the ATM machine. Dec. 24th 1702 hours. Ooops!

I went back and checked the Lowes video again. There was no time stamp on it and no one gave a date for that trip on the FOX report. (not the 16th or 24th)

Where did the Dec. 16th date come from?

Thanks. I apologize for my mistake.

Rum Tum

from NG, no worries. This is truly mind-boggling!!

[BritDees]

Hey - I made a mistake, guys. SO Sorry!

I just went back & checked the recording. I thought that clip was of Laurean outside of Lowes just before entering the store. I posted the time stamp on that video. It was the clip of Laurean approaching the ATM machine. Dec. 24th 1702 hours. Ooops!

I went back and checked the Lowes video again. There was no time stamp on it and no one gave a date for that trip on the FOX report. (not the 16th or 24th)

Where did the Dec. 16th date come from?

Thanks. I apologize for my mistake.

Rum Tum

One of the people on NG's panel came up with that date, Rum. That's where I got it from.. and it's ok, we all make mistakes! :)

[close_enough]

The luminol was after the paint. Who knows how much was visible before that was done. Obviously enough to need to paint, IMO.

yes it was....

i think he cleaned up pretty good, but thought the paint would help him, as far as LE goes....he HAD to know that once Maria was reported missing, at SOME point LE would want to talk to him, & come to his home....maybe he foolishly thought that paint would prevent luminol from working?

[SuziQ]

Another thing that seems to be changing, is there's a photo of him at an outdoor ATM, while other reports have been that it was an ATM inside a Wal-mart that he took the $400. from Maria's bank. At least now we're getting an idea what he spent the money on.

I don't know anything about a walmart atm. But surely someone inside the store would have noticed the face coverup activity! Eeeek.

Anyways, the Federal criminal complaint states the amount is in excess of 400.00. So it appears we do not know the amount yet.

[galvino]

Heck, Panthera, I have no clue about how that could happen because dates/info being released are all so convoluted! Sh*t, I'm starting to second guess myself on the date of Xmas!!!

[KR2tonenow]

From NG, stating Christina is a "victim" in this. That she went along with what he said.

Is she stupid? :confused:

Maybe facing an Obstruction of Justice, charge??

[peace9274]

Someone here said that her mother, I believe, said she saw a photo or a video of the body when it was found and being carried to the ambulance.

IIRC, she said it was a very gruesome sight and that the body was very charred.

The neighbor also said he observed a lot of the activity taking place at the "grave" including Maria being moved. He said it was something like he never wanted to remember or see again.

[close_enough]

You are crekt Panthera. but Nance and Susan have been known to, um, go a bit over the top!

ain't that the truth!...

[SuziQ]

yes it was....

i think he cleaned up pretty good, but thought the paint would help him, as far as LE goes....he HAD to know that once Maria was reported missing, at SOME point LE would want to talk to him, & come to his home....maybe he foolishly thought that paint would prevent luminol from working?

I want to know how much was still there for Xtina to see?

[BritDees]

gosh, who do we believe?...foxnews or NG:confused:

i'm with you ... can't imagine someone not smelling a burning body....


Close, I've accidently had my hair brush the tip of my cigs when the wind has caught it, and that smell of burnt hair stays around for a long time and it's disgusting!

[close_enough]

There was a video of the back yard. An actual BBQ, large with a cover, close by the house, which is probably where the food was cooked.
There was a bon fire going that night also, over the area where Maria was buried. That site is further back in the yard, beyond the above ground pool.

That same video showed many concrete blocks that were several feet from the grave/bon fire site. It looked as though a circle was in the process of being made with the concrete blocks; an incomplete circle. Some blocks were still stacked to the side of the incomplete circle.

They were not surrounding the fire pit at all.

Was he making another fire pit? Was he going to move the body those several feet, to the new circle/site? Who knows what was going through POS' mind!

yes, i remember seeing the video on Greta's show....i just remember seeing some concrete blocks....i feel sure he purchased them for that reason though...to keep the fire from spreading onto the yard....

i'm wondering if LE moved those concrete blocks around while investigating...

[BeavisMom62]

Originally it was said that he put the old fence boards alongside her body. If true, couldn't he use them to help burn her body?

I had a thought about the fence. He probably did use it to help burn the body, but I'm wondering if he didn't DECIDE to use the boards because of the dog? Remember it was said previously that they started to tie the dog in the front yard recently? I"m wondering if he didn't decide to take the fence boards down and leave an opening in the fence as an excuse to tie the dog up front. See where I'm going? Can't take a chance and leave the dog in the back yard, he might dig up "something". Can't leave the dog in the back with an opening in the fence. So he comes up with an excuse, the fence was broken, rotten, whatever to tell to Xtina. The fence then serves two purposes, to put the dog in the front and also to use as fire fuel. Eh?

[ceeaura]

see, that's confusing to me too....i think there were TWO fire pits....not sure why he'd have two, but......?


For some reason I took it to be they had a BBQ grill near the house that they used to cook on but they had a big bon fire going on at the same time.

[close_enough]

I want to know how much was still there for Xtina to see?

gosh, i'd like to know that also.....i must assume that she didn't see the blood, but we all know what happens when folks "assume".....

[SuziQ]

Heck, Panthera, I have no clue about how that could happen because dates/info being released are all so convoluted! Sh*t, I'm starting to second guess myself on the date of Xmas!!!

Lol, and it appears that POS and Xtina got the info of the 15th wrong as well as the bus ticket and Christmas party took place on the 14th.

Oh and about the blood, there was massive amounts in the house and the garage.

[KR2tonenow]

Ctina was at the Xmas party on the 15th. What's her alibi for the 14th???

[close_enough]

For some reason I took it to be they had a BBQ grill near the house that they used to cook on but they had a big bon fire going on at the same time.

exactly ceeaura!.....i'm not sure that the actual BBQ took place on the fire pit....i've been to parties where folks grilled out, AND we also had a huge bonfire blazing...we didn't cook on the bonfire....the bonfire was there to stand/sit around, drink beer, & keep warm.....

[happy2bn10ec]

Someone here said that her mother, I believe, said she saw a photo or a video of the body when it was found and being carried to the ambulance.

IIRC, she said it was a very gruesome sight and that the body was very charred.

The neighbor also said he observed a lot of the activity taking place at the "grave" including Maria being moved. He said it was something like he never wanted to remember or see again.

On the video on the news, (probably Fox because that's what I usually watch) it shows them pulling the gurney up out of the hole in the ground and the guy on the right side about falls coming up out of the hole. They tried to blur it, but for just a half a second, it shows what is probably her head, and it looked all black. I remember thinking - she had BLONDE hair, but it was probably from being burned.

That poor girl...

[cricket]

I had a thought about the fence. He probably did use it to help burn the body, but I'm wondering if he didn't DECIDE to use the boards because of the dog? Remember it was said previously that they started to tie the dog in the front yard recently? I"m wondering if he didn't decide to take the fence boards down and leave an opening in the fence as an excuse to tie the dog up front. See where I'm going? Can't take a chance and leave the dog in the back yard, he might dig up "something". Can't leave the dog in the back with an opening in the fence. So he comes up with an excuse, the fence was broken, rotten, whatever to tell to Xtina. The fence then serves two purposes, to put the dog in the front and also to use as fire fuel. Eh?

That's a great point. You are right, he couldn't leave the dog in the back with a buried body. I wonder if they can pinpoint exactly when the dog started being tied up in the front yard.

[SuziQ]

Ctina was at the Xmas party on the 15th. What's her alibi for the 14th???

They were all given the afternoon off to go to the Christmas party. That was Friday the 14th. None of them worked the weekend.

[close_enough]

Hey - I made a mistake, guys. SO Sorry!

I just went back & checked the recording. I thought that clip was of Laurean outside of Lowes just before entering the store. I posted the time stamp on that video. It was the clip of Laurean approaching the ATM machine. Dec. 24th 1702 hours. Ooops!

I went back and checked the Lowes video again. There was no time stamp on it and no one gave a date for that trip on the FOX report. (not the 16th or 24th)

Where did the Dec. 16th date come from?

Thanks. I apologize for my mistake.

Rum Tum

it's ok, RT:)

so, the 16th it is....

[ceeaura]

exactly ceeaura!.....i'm not sure that the actual BBQ took place on the fire pit....i've been to parties where folks grilled out, AND we also had a huge bonfire blazing...we didn't cook on the bonfire....the bonfire was there to stand/sit around, drink beer, & keep warm.....


Yea we do a bonfire thing in the fall usually and grill out on our grill.

I will not be able to do that again without thinking of Maria and all that she went through :(

[close_enough]

On the video on the news, (probably Fox because that's what I usually watch) it shows them pulling the gurney up out of the hole in the ground and the guy on the right side about falls coming up out of the hole. They tried to blur it, but for just a half a second, it shows what is probably her head, and it looked all black. I remember thinking - she had BLONDE hair, but it was probably from being burned.

That poor girl...

yeah, i know:(
she was badly charred i guess....

[close_enough]

Close, I've accidently had my hair brush the tip of my cigs when the wind has caught it, and that smell of burnt hair stays around for a long time and it's disgusting!

oh lord, i have too...nasty smell, for sure, ACK!

[close_enough]

I don't know anything about a walmart atm. But surely someone inside the store would have noticed the face coverup activity! Eeeek.

Anyways, the Federal criminal complaint states the amount is in excess of 400.00. So it appears we do not know the amount yet.

the report i read....i THINK you posted it?...maybe Peace did on the last discussion thread....it mentions the amount $500.00

[cricket]

If Christina was at the party on the 14 and expected CL to be there, I'll bet she made phone calls to his cell phone and/or home. There will be records of all that, including cell tower triangulation. We will eventually find out where CL was during that time frame.

I don't think CL planned to murder her at his own home on the 14th, and I am thinking he made mistakes like using his cell phone. I think we will find out a lot as this case unfolds.

[close_enough]

If Christina was at the party on the 14 and expected CL to be there, I'll bet she made phone calls to his cell phone and/or home. There will be records of all that, including cell tower triangulation. We will eventually find out where CL was during that time frame.

I don't think CL planned to murder her at his own home on the 14th, and I am thinking he made mistakes like using his cell phone. I think we will find out a lot as this case unfolds.

i think you're right, cricket......

i just wish they'd hurry up & find & arrest the POS.....

got to scoot...later folks:)

[KR2tonenow]

If Christina was at the party on the 14 and expected CL to be there, I'll bet she made phone calls to his cell phone and/or home. There will be records of all that, including cell tower triangulation. We will eventually find out where CL was during that time frame.

I don't think CL planned to murder her at his own home on the 14th, and I am thinking he made mistakes like using his cell phone. I think we will find out a lot as this case unfolds.

agreed...

However, the fact that misquotes of time and dates is annoying from the media.

Has Ctina set up a timeline yet for all those above mentioned...

[SuziQ]

Eyewitness News is also confirming that the Onslow County authorities sent the murder weapon, a crowbar, to the SBI lab in Raleigh.
Sources also tell Eyewitness News Lauterbach was killed on the same day she disappeared -- December 14.
Police previously believed Lauterbach was killed December 15.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5900494

[SuziQ]

agreed...

However, the fact that misquotes of time and dates is annoying from the media.

Has Ctina set up a timeline yet for all those above mentioned...

I think the media in this case, has been trying to keep up with the info given them. I look at the timelines and court docs and it's hard to keep straight.

[KR2tonenow]

Eyewitness News is also confirming that the Onslow County authorities sent the murder weapon, a crowbar, to the SBI lab in Raleigh.
Sources also tell Eyewitness News Lauterbach was killed on the same day she disappeared -- December 14.
Police previously believed Lauterbach was killed December 15.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=5900494

This makes sense, thanks!:)

[philamena]

ABC news reported she was killed on Dec. 14.
What day was the bbq?


About the dog, pos most likely had to tie the dog up out front because of the bodies being in the back yard. A dog would be able to smell and would most likely try to dig up the ground...know what I mean?

[cricket]

ABC news says she was killed on Dec. 14.
What day was the bbq?


About the dog, pos most likely had to tie the dog up out front because of the bodies being in the back yard. A dog would be able to smell and would most likely try to dig up the ground...know what I mean?

Hey philamena. Thanks for the PM last Friday!

[philamena]

You're welcome.:blowkiss:

[Txlurker]

Here is the headline

Fugitive Marine May Have Been Spotted in South Texas

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7744325&nav=menu192_2

[BritDees]

I think the bbq was on Christmas eve, according to their neighbor

[ipswitch]

Regarding the party:

It is usual for a lot of squadrons/wings/military offices to get released at noon for an office party AT THE OFFICE.

Then there is a secondary party in the evening. So, it's entirely possible that both parties were on the 14th and that's where the confusion lies.

(JMHO on this subject again :banghead:)

[philamena]

BritDees,
Thanks for the info.
IF Maria was murdered on the 14 or 15......
where were the body (bodies) hidden/kept for 10 days???

Was Xtina living at the house with the pos during this time?

[Pharlap]

ABC news reported she was killed on Dec. 14.
What day was the bbq?


About the dog, pos most likely had to tie the dog up out front because of the bodies being in the back yard. A dog would be able to smell and would most likely try to dig up the ground...know what I mean?

I thought the same thing about the dog.
Wonder what excuse he gave the wify to move the dog to the front thou.:eek:

[philamena]

Hey PHARLAP,
Lordy, who knows? She seemed to 'buy' whatever he told her.

Anyone know if Xtina ever filed any abuse?
From we know so far, pos was a rapist and violent. I'd put money on him abusing his wife.

[lilpony]

I thought the same thing about the dog.
Wonder what excuse he gave the wify to move the dog to the front thou.:eek:

Probably because he had taken down parts of the fence. That was his excuse.

[peace9274]

I thought the same thing about the dog.
Wonder what excuse he gave the wify to move the dog to the front thou.:eek:

And the reason to move their daughters play slide to the front yard, instead of the back yard, which is where the neighbor had always seen it.

He said that their daughter had just recently started playing in the front yard!

[lilpony]

Probably because he had taken down parts of the fence. That was his excuse.

I am quoting my own post. Because he had taken the fence down.

It won't let me edit my posts for some reason. And I forgot the word DOWN. :crazy:

[SuziQ]

And the reason to move their daughters play slide to the front yard, instead of the back yard, which is where the neighbor had always seen it.

He said that their daughter had just recently started playing in the front yard!

And the reason for Maria's car being parked in their driveway. And yes, Xtina would have had to of known who's car that was.

[lilpony]

I am quoting my own post. Because he had taken the fence down.

It won't let me edit my posts for some reason. And I forgot the word DOWN. :crazy:

Forget I even wrote this, I did put in the word down. I'm so confused tonight, forgive me.:confused:

[peace9274]

Probably because he had taken down parts of the fence. That was his excuse.

Also, according to the neighbor, the dog had been tied to a tree, in both the front and the back!

Even if part of the fence is gone, what was the excuse the dog couldn't still be tied in the back yard?????

I didn't see any beautiful landscaping that the dog could've ruined!
And it didn't look as though the pool was well taken care of!

Who ties their dog in the front yard, allows a toddler to play in the front yard, when they have that huge back yard?

[peace9274]

I am quoting my own post. Because he had taken the fence down.

It won't let me edit my posts for some reason. And I forgot the word DOWN. :crazy:

It looked good to me.
I saw the word DOWN in your original sentence.
Did you just forget where you put it? :)

[Tom'sGirl]

gosh, who do we believe?...foxnews or NG:confused:

i'm with you ... can't imagine someone not smelling a burning body....

Obviously neither Wanda Alander, or her husband, Richard. In his interview with Steph Watts he says there was a fire going the night prior to Christmas Eve on the 23rd. In his words said he "didn't pay much attention to it, we burn out here all the time".

[Pharlap]

And the reason to move their daughters play slide to the front yard, instead of the back yard, which is where the neighbor had always seen it.

He said that their daughter had just recently started playing in the front yard!


Let me get this straight, you have a small child a fenced in back yard.
And you want her to play in the front unfenced where the street is.
Now that makes a ton of sense..NOT.
And the fence was gone because he pulled it down, without replacing it.
And the wify didn't think anything was wrong?
Give me a break.:bang:

Dumb and dumber:rolleyes:

[SuziQ]

Closer look at firepit in this video as well:

Suspected killer of murdered Marine buys supplies believed to have been used in cover up

http://tinyurl.com/35j4mu

[USMCWife]

I think maybe Maria showed up at his house while he was getting ready to leave for the Christmas party and as time went on and his wife started calling wondering why he wasn't at the party yet. He started getting more and more nervous about her being at his house and his wife coming home. Maybe he tried to force her out and she refused to leave so he freaked out and hit her in the head, killing her. Maybe he even threatened her with the (crowbar?) before he hit her.

I think he panicked, didn't know what to do with the body so he hid it in the garage and cleaned up the mess as quickly as he could in the room where he killed her. Christina might have returned home to find her husband painting the walls with touch-up paint. Maybe he could have said he was trying to surprise her.

I think he then got the idea that the safest place to bury her would be in his yard where nobody would expect him to put her...and he had to devise a way to make an excuse for the ground being disturbed. So he starts building a fire pit. He's frantic to get her body out of the house before it starts smelling and Christina catches on so he puts her in the pit while Christina is gone somewhere where he knows she won't catch him and thinks that he may be able to dispose of the body altogether by burning it. He's standing there over an open pit with her body in it so he has to act fast...and he grabs some wood from the old, wooden privacy fence. He piles the wood on her, tries burning it, but the smell is too bad and he's afraid of drawing attention from the neighbors so he quickly puts it out, fills in the hole partway, leaving a foot or so of depth so it looks like a legitimate fire pit.

Perhaps then he enlisted a friend to help him get some supplies to finish his bonfire pit, with his friends being none the wiser?

[kathyn2]

What I want to know is who is the man in the video of him buying the supplies at Lowe's? How come no one has come forward to identify that man? He may be involved and he most likely at least knows what CL did. He may have even helped killed Maria. And he probably helped CL skip town. I hope someone comes forward and identifies that man! He looks like a marine too.

[panthera]

Let me get this straight, you have a small child a fenced in back yard.
And you want her to play in the front unfenced where the street is.
Now that makes a ton of sense..NOT.
And the fence was gone because he pulled it down, without replacing it.
And the wify didn't think anything was wrong?
Give me a break.:bang:

Dumb and dumber:rolleyes:
And the dog was now tied up in the front yard too. I agree it doesn't make sense and normally a wife would ask some questions!

[bakerprune64]

I think maybe Maria showed up at his house while he was getting ready to leave for the Christmas party and as time went on and his wife started calling wondering why he wasn't at the party yet. He started getting more and more nervous about her being at his house and his wife coming home. Maybe he tried to force her out and she refused to leave so he freaked out and hit her in the head, killing her. Maybe he even threatened her with the (crowbar?) before he hit her.

I think he panicked, didn't know what to do with the body so he hid it in the garage and cleaned up the mess as quickly as he could in the room where he killed her. Christina might have returned home to find her husband painting the walls with touch-up paint. Maybe he could have said he was trying to surprise her.

I think he then got the idea that the safest place to bury her would be in his yard where nobody would expect him to put her...and he had to devise a way to make an excuse for the ground being disturbed. So he starts building a fire pit. He's frantic to get her body out of the house before it starts smelling and Christina catches on so he puts her in the pit while Christina is gone somewhere where he knows she won't catch him and thinks that he may be able to dispose of the body altogether by burning it. He's standing there over an open pit with her body in it so he has to act fast...and he grabs some wood from the old, wooden privacy fence. He piles the wood on her, tries burning it, but the smell is too bad and he's afraid of drawing attention from the neighbors so he quickly puts it out, fills in the hole partway, leaving a foot or so of depth so it looks like a legitimate fire pit.

Perhaps then he enlisted a friend to help him get some supplies to finish his bonfire pit, with his friends being none the wiser?

Wow...I like they way you think. What a loser he is.

[KR2tonenow]

What I want to know is who is the man in the video of him buying the supplies at Lowe's? How come no one has come forward to identify that man? He may be involved and he most likely at least knows what CL did. He may have even helped killed Maria. And he probably helped CL skip town. I hope someone comes forward and identifies that man! He looks like a marine too.

Me too, could be the crowbar witness! Thank god for video, BUSTED!!

[peace9274]

On Greta:

"DA: Have confirmation Laurean has entered Mexico earlier this week."

Dewey Hudson (?) on phone:

Can't discuss whether there have been sightings of him in Mexico

[SuziQ]

USMCwife, other than the Brown briefly believing the note left for her roomate was from Maria and thinking she ran off. There is no evidence that Maria had a "friendly" relationship with CL and planned on leaving with him or leaving at all ever. Detective Dubois wrote in his probable cause statement that in his experience a 8 month pregnant woman would not leave cheap access to medical or the support of her friends and family. And the latest info is that Maria was 8 months along on Dec 14th. That would make the due date in January and a conception date in April.

[BritDees]

I'm thinking that he's already been identified by Xtina.. that's why they have the video to begin with, Kathyn. LE already knew that POS had been to Lowe's.

Now why is Greta saying something about Maria's STEP-mother??

Dang this case is confusing!

[SuziQ]

Oh, and what excuse would CL have given to Xtina for missing the party...his units party.

[KR2tonenow]

And the dog was now tied up in the front yard too. I agree it doesn't make sense and normally a wife would ask some questions!

I am so glad the neighbor paid attention to these details, helpful when and if this goes to trial after they apprehend him.

[Pharlap]

Wow...I like they way you think. What a loser he is.

Thought that was you for a sec there......:crazy:

[KR2tonenow]

Yeah! Discussing Ctina being in on it/Greta/Fox

[panthera]

On Greta:

"DA: Have confirmation Laurean has entered Mexico earlier this week."

Dewey Hudson (?) on phone:

Can't discuss whether there have been sightings of him in Mexico
I just heard this too. I also find the discussion about Christina's possible involvement interesting. Ted Williams is sure she would've had to know about the killing and seen the blood.

[SuziQ]

Yeah! Discussing Ctina being in on it/Greta/Fox

Please please let us know what they are saying, thx!

[panthera]

I am so glad the neighbor paid attention to these details, helpful when and if this goes to trial after they apprehend him.
The only thing the neighbor said that I find odd is the sighting of him at 6:30am last Friday when he was supposed to have left at 4am according to Christina. But yes, I'm glad he paid so much attention to what was going on. :)

[KR2tonenow]

Please please let us know what they are say, thx!

Here goes: discussing how Ctina came home 12/14, blood on the walls, and see your backyard unearthed, and you don't report until 1/10???

The imprtant thing is she reported it, per Greta....

[USMCWife]

USMCwife, other than the Brown briefly believing the note left for her roomate was from Maria and thinking she ran off. There is no evidence that Maria had a "friendly" relationship with CL and planned on leaving with him or leaving at all ever. Detective Dubois wrote in his probable cause statement that in his experience a 8 month pregnant woman would not leave cheap access to medical or the support of her friends and family. And the latest info is that Maria was 8 months along on Dec 14th. That would make the due date in January and a conception date in April.

The Marine Corps timeline states otherwise saying she was not pregnant when she went in for her well woman appointment the same day she reported the rape on May 11th. I would like to believe that Maria is an innocent victim, but I think there is a very real possibility that she and Laurean were having an affair that turned sour when she realized he wouldn't leave his wife for her. Her date of conception was around May 14th, from the Marine Corps timeline, which is also given from medical records. He was ordered to stay away from her on May 12th...so was the baby actually conceived a few days prior and the medical records are off? Did they see each other after the order for Laurean to stay 1,000 ft away...or is the baby someone else's?

If this timeline is right, it really makes Maria's claim that the baby was his very shady...unless they were still seeing each other...and who else would know about an affair but the two of them? The Marine Corps takes infidelity between two service members VERY seriously so they would have to keep it very closely guarded. The only people that know what went on between them is Maria and Laurean. I respect your views. I just think there isn't really any evidence that they weren't friendly behind closed doors either. This whole case is one big crazy twisted mystery where anything seems possible.

[Pharlap]

Here goes: discussing how Ctina came home 12/14, blood on the walls, and see your backyard unearthed, and you don't report until 1/10???

The imprtant thing is she reported it, per Greta....

You know if that was me and I was just told by my hubby, I wouldn't of stayed the night. Got the kid and myself out of dodge. If he killed one person he could kill another, because you know information....JMO

[KR2tonenow]

On Anderson Cooper; discussing video and ATM withdrawal on Xmas eve and covering up Video with cloth. dang!!!!!!!!

Discussing usage of the account after her death...Ctina is cooperating and brought notes, let them in the house, etc.

Neighbors saw Mrs. Laurean painting the house sometime in December...

[peace9274]

The only thing the neighbor said that I find odd is the sighting of him at 6:30am last Friday when he was supposed to have left at 4am according to Christina. But yes, I'm glad he paid so much attention to what was going on. :)

The only thing I can figure out about this is (if Christina is telling the truth :rolleyes: ), she woke up at 4 AM and saw POS was up and dressed.
He told her he was doing... (?) ... and to go back to sleep, which she did.

POS was seen by neighbor's wife taking out his dog (HA HA... shoulda kept it in the backyard!) at 6:30 AM.

Christina re-awoke at 8 AM, found the note and POS was gone.
So her claims to have last seen her husband at 4 AM may be correct.

Too bad the neighbor didn't hear POS and Maria arguing and/or Maria's screams..... or see POS moving Maria's body out of the house at some point.

[KR2tonenow]

You know if that was me and I was just told by my hubby, I wouldn't of stayed the night. Got the kid and myself out of dodge. If he killed one person he could kill another, because you know information....JMO

Either Ctina is really not very bright or she knew all about it and could have been involved. Laurean was reported saying to her on their way to the lawyers 1/9 or 10? "Are you with me on this thing or not?', and Ctina replied "It depends....".

[KR2tonenow]

The only thing I can figure out about this is (if Christina is telling the truth :rolleyes: ), she woke up at 4 AM and saw POS was up and dressed.
He told her he was doing... (?) ... and to go back to sleep, which she did.

POS was seen by neighbor's wife taking out his dog (HA HA... shoulda kept it in the backyard!) at 6:30 AM.

Christina re-awoke at 8 AM, found the note and POS was gone.
So her claims to have last seen her husband at 4 AM may be correct.

Too bad the neighbor didn't hear POS and Maria arguing and/or Maria's screams..... or see POS moving Maria's body out of the house at some point.

That what be too perfect!!

[panthera]

The only thing I can figure out about this is (if Christina is telling the truth :rolleyes: ), she woke up at 4 AM and saw POS was up and dressed.
He told her he was doing... (?) ... and to go back to sleep, which she did.

POS was seen by neighbor's wife taking out his dog (HA HA... shoulda kept it in the backyard!) at 6:30 AM.

Christina re-awoke at 8 AM, found the note and POS was gone.
So her claims to have last seen her husband at 4 AM may be correct.

Too bad the neighbor didn't hear POS and Maria arguing and/or Maria's screams..... or see POS moving Maria's body out of the house at some point.
I thought neighbor saw both Christina and CL in the driveway at 6:30am? Maybe I misunderstood him.

And yes I agree too bad the neighbor didn't see more or ask CL why he was taking the fence down with no replacement for it?

[USMCWife]

I would have spent the last night with him if I was Christina. If he confessed to her in the car while driving to the attorney's office then told the attorney (who might have kept a secret considering this is a high profile case that his name would be attached to, it could make him famous and very rich). If someone in the seat next to you in a car confessed they killed someone...and that person is your husband...can you imagine how she would feel? Especially if he finally admitted there was sexual contact with Lauterbach. I would be terrified but planning to alert the officials the moment I got the chance and the moment I felt that he would trust me again enough to leave me alone to escape.

Think about those people with Stockholm's Syndrome. When it's either be killed or adjust your way of thinking, you are most likely to adjust your way of thinking.

[SuziQ]

USMCWife, From the below linked article.

As the search widened for her suspected murderer, Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, initial autopsy results on Lauterbach's burned body, found buried in a North Carolina field, indicate that Lauterbach was eight-months pregnant with a baby girl, the official said.
Earlier reports from Lauterbach's hometown in Ohio had said the unborn baby was a boy, to be named Gabriel Joseph.
She had told her family she believed her unborn child was a boy based on an early sonogram. Officials say a second autopsy will be conducted by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.
****
In December, Maria also tooks steps herself to extend the protective order against CL. IMO, some if not alot of the information in the Marine timeline came from the very same people at the unit level that would not return civil investigators calls and the same group of people that waged a campaign of harassment and attacks on Maria.

[KR2tonenow]

I would have spent the last night with him if I was Christina. If he confessed to her in the car while driving to the attorney's office then told the attorney (who might have kept a secret considering this is a high profile case that his name would be attached to, it could make him famous and very rich). If someone in the seat next to you in a car confessed they killed someone...and that person is your husband...can you imagine how she would feel? Especially if he finally admitted there was sexual contact with Lauterbach. I would be terrified but planning to alert the officials the moment I got the chance and the moment I felt that he would trust me again enough to leave me alone to escape.

Think about those people with Stockholm's Syndrome. When it's either be killed or adjust your way of thinking, you are most likely to adjust your way of thinking.

quite probable...being a Marine maybe highly likely.

[peace9274]

I respect your views. I just think there isn't really any evidence that they weren't friendly behind closed doors either. This whole case is one big crazy twisted mystery where anything seems possible.

Thanx for your comments and opinions, USMCWife... and welcome!

There is one person who has been interviewed (in darkness, so as not to show her identity), in which she claims she knew both Laurean and Maria. She stated that Maria had told her that she and Laurean had been consensually intimate at the place where they both worked.

I realize this may be hearsay and not fully credible.

The woman also claims she wrote the most recent protective order.

But then Maria's uncle also claims to know for sure that Maria and Laurean did NOT have a friendly/close/intimate relationship.

So, you're right... only Maria and Laurean knew for sure what really happened.

Which leaves me :furious: :mad: :waitasec: :doh: and :banghead:

[Tom'sGirl]

I am so glad the neighbor paid attention to these details, helpful when and if this goes to trial after they apprehend him.
I wouldn't put a lot of stock on the accuracy of Mr. Arlander's account of dates. He said he had loaned a shovel to CL on the 16th (Sun) and we now know that was the date CL was on video at Lowe's buying a shovel among his purchases.

Perhaps he loaned him the shovel the day prior on the 15th?? He could have also been off on the dates he saw the fire prior to the barbecue on Christmas Eve.

[SuziQ]

The shadow person also said Maria told her that she was scared of CL and that the person blew Maria off.

[KR2tonenow]

Thanx for your comments and opinions, USMCWife... and welcome!

There is one person who has been interviewed (in darkness, so as not to show her identity), in which she claims she knew both Laurean and Maria. She stated that Maria had told her that she and Laurean had been consensually intimate at the place where they both worked.

I realize this may be hearsay and not fully credible.

The woman also claims she wrote the most recent protective order.

But then Maria's uncle also claims to know for sure that Maria and Laurean did NOT have a friendly/close/intimate relationship.

So, you're right... only Maria and Laurean knew for sure what really happened.

Which leaves me :furious: :mad: :waitasec: :doh: and :banghead:

LOL your not alone on that one!

[USMCWife]

USMCWife, From the below linked article.

As the search widened for her suspected murderer, Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, initial autopsy results on Lauterbach's burned body, found buried in a North Carolina field, indicate that Lauterbach was eight-months pregnant with a baby girl, the official said.
Earlier reports from Lauterbach's hometown in Ohio had said the unborn baby was a boy, to be named Gabriel Joseph.
She had told her family she believed her unborn child was a boy based on an early sonogram. Officials say a second autopsy will be conducted by the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology.
****
In December, Maria also tooks steps herself to extend the protective order against CL. IMO, some if not alot of the information in the Marine timeline came from the very same people at the unit level that would not return civil investigators calls and the same group of people that waged a campaign of harassment and attacks on Maria.

I wasn't talking about the sex of the baby...I was wondering more about what the DNA evidence shows as to if Laurean was the father or not. If he's the father, then it would seem they violated the order for him to stay 1,000 ft away from her.

All this about a campaign of harassment and attacks have all been speculation so far. If that DID happen, there would be a huge case on hazing and certainly she would have told someone. If the girl is brave enough to report a rape, she would have reported a hazing. I have a neighbor who says he was falsely accused of hazing a while back. Even though it was just an accusation, he got into serious hot water over it.

People at unit level have no place returning calls to civil investigators. They follow a chain of command. It would be the same as the media calling a secretary at a large company to get information when they should be talking to the executives. :)

[SuziQ]

USMCwife: I responding to your comment about the conception date being in May. My feeling regarding not having the harasment reported is the same reason Maria recanted the rape charges...she didn't want to get slugged again if not worse. ETA: she got worse...

Funny how the unit level didn't contact Brass then, because the first Brass heard about any of this was when Brown contacted them because his investigators were frustrated by not getting cooperation from the Marine side.

[peace9274]

I wouldn't put a lot of stock on the accuracy of Mr. Arlander's account of dates. He said he had loaned a shovel to CL on the 16th (Sun) and we now know that was the date CL was on video at Lowe's buying a shovel among his purchases.

Perhaps he loaned him the shovel the day prior on the 15th?? He could have also been off on the dates he saw the fire prior to the barbecue on Christmas Eve.

Laurean may have borrowed the shovel the day the neighbor said, but then broke it (the handle?) or it wasn't the kind he wanted and then went to buy a few more.

There's a photo somewhere of several (3-4?) shovels leaning against the house or the fence. It looks like they are all different types and sizes.

Neighbor's may be the the square one, that would be difficult to break ground. Or neighbor's was the small rounded one that didn't scoop much dirt.
Which ever... POS needed more shovels and of different shapes.
And so, he and his helpful good bud made a quick trip to Lowe's!

I kinda like the neighbor and want to believe he saw what he says and is correct on the dates.

He usually follows up his statements with, "I know this happened on/at such and such date/time, because it's when I/my wife/the kids always.... "

[panthera]

I wouldn't put a lot of stock on the accuracy of Mr. Arlander's account of dates. He said he had loaned a shovel to CL on the 16th (Sun) and we now know that was the date CL was on video at Lowe's buying a shovel among his purchases.

Perhaps he loaned him the shovel the day prior on the 15th?? He could have also been off on the dates he saw the fire prior to the barbecue on Christmas Eve.
I've also thought that he could also have been off by a day on the 6:30am sighting of CL leaving home, like Thursday morning instead of last Friday?

[Mygirlsadie]

Cheating in the military is a HUGE thing. They supposedly have strict rules and regs regarding it but it's never stopped anyone. I would not be surprised at all to find out that Maria and POS carried on an affair. As for Christina's alibi (christmas party) honestly that means squat to me & proves nothing. p.s wanted to add that hubby was telling me about a guy in his unit who has a kid by another lady and his wife has no idea..The kid is 7 yrs old. He sends $ and visits... Why couldn't POS just of done that? Why did he have to kill her? I'm not saying it's right but there was so many other alternatives! Maybe not having sex with anyone except his wife for starters!!

[USMCWife]

Thanx for your comments and opinions, USMCWife... and welcome!

There is one person who has been interviewed (in darkness, so as not to show her identity), in which she claims she knew both Laurean and Maria. She stated that Maria had told her that she and Laurean had been consensually intimate at the place where they both worked.

I realize this may be hearsay and not fully credible.

The woman also claims she wrote the most recent protective order.

But then Maria's uncle also claims to know for sure that Maria and Laurean did NOT have a friendly/close/intimate relationship.

So, you're right... only Maria and Laurean knew for sure what really happened.

Which leaves me :furious: :mad: :waitasec: :doh: and :banghead:

Thanks for the warm welcome! And I hate these unsolved cases with so many ends left untied and so many different reports! It's enough to drive you crazy.

I was shocked they let the female Marine say so much! They had a media censor sitting in when I did an interview in my home with a television network last year. Several times, the media rep from base stopped me and said, "You are not allowed to say that." and had them erase it from the tape...and all I admitted to was that the military healthcare system could be better and isn't perfect! :( He later apologized to me and said it was just his job.

I wonder why they let her say so much on camera? Especially about a murder case. Even though she was blacked out...you could still tell who she is if you knew her.

[SuziQ]

I've also thought that he could also have been off by a day on the 6:30am sighting of CL leaving home, like Thursday morning instead of last Friday?

I think everyone has been off a day! Someone needs to get everyone involved a good calendar. :banghead:

[STEADFAST]

People at unit level have no place returning calls to civil investigators. They follow a chain of command. It would be the same as the media calling a secretary at a large company to get information when they should be talking to the executives. :)

They didn't follow the chain of command, though. Whoever answered the phone at the unit when the sheriff's investigator called should have referred the call the the first sergeant, who should have referred it to the unit's CO, and so on up to wherever it should stop. I don't think anyone higher than the unit level ever heard of the calls. In fact, I don't think anyone higher up than whoever answered the phone ever got the message from the sheriff's investigator.

If the media wants to talk to an executive, unless they know who he is and his personal number, they're going to have to count on a receptionist, then a secretary, then another secretary and on up to the executive.

[Tom'sGirl]

I've also thought that he could also have been off by a day on the 6:30am sighting of CL leaving home, like Thursday morning instead of last Friday?
Same here as he was relaying what his wife said, NOT what he had seen and when.

[peace9274]

Thanks for the warm welcome! And I hate these unsolved cases with so many ends left untied and so many different reports! It's enough to drive you crazy.


I wonder why they let her say so much on camera? Especially about a murder case. Even though she was blacked out...you could still tell who she is if you knew her.


The woman interviewed said she was no longer in the MC. She said she wrote the P.O. just before leaving and going civilian.

[Mygirlsadie]

The lady you are talking about is no longer a Marine. Once A....
yeah yeah I know! But she is not in the Marines any longer! :crazy:





Thanks for the warm welcome! And I hate these unsolved cases with so many ends left untied and so many different reports! It's enough to drive you crazy.

I was shocked they let the female Marine say so much! They had a media censor sitting in when I did an interview in my home with a television network last year. Several times, the media rep from base stopped me and said, "You are not allowed to say that." and had them erase it from the tape...and all I admitted to was that the military healthcare system could be better and isn't perfect! :( He later apologized to me and said it was just his job.

I wonder why they let her say so much on camera? Especially about a murder case. Even though she was blacked out...you could still tell who she is if you knew her.

[panthera]

Cheating in the military is a HUGE thing. They supposedly have strict rules and regs regarding it but it's never stopped anyone. I would not be surprised at all to find out that Maria and POS carried on an affair. As for Christina's alibi (christmas party) honestly that means squat to me & proves nothing. p.s wanted to add that hubby was telling me about a guy in his unit who has a kid by another lady and his wife has no idea..The kid is 7 yrs old. He sends $ and visits... Why couldn't POS just of done that? Why did he have to kill her? I'm not saying it's right but there was so many other alternatives! Maybe not having sex with anyone except his wife for starters!!
And another thing, why did he have to kill her without even knowing she was carrying his child? Unless of course there was an ongoing sexual relationship?

[panthera]

Same here as he was relaying what his wife said, NOT what he had seen and when.
Oh I misunderstood him then. I thought he'd seen them. Thank you! :)

[USMCWife]

Cheating in the military is a HUGE thing. They supposedly have strict rules and regs regarding it but it's never stopped anyone. I would not be surprised at all to find out that Maria and POS carried on an affair. As for Christina's alibi (christmas party) honestly that means squat to me & proves nothing. p.s wanted to add that hubby was telling me about a guy in his unit who has a kid by another lady and his wife has no idea..The kid is 7 yrs old. He sends $ and visits... Why couldn't POS just of done that? Why did he have to kill her? I'm not saying it's right but there was so many other alternatives!