Christina Laurean's Possible Involvement #2

[WindChime]

Continue here please..

[Jaded]

Posting for reference and continuity. ;)

Christina Laurean's Possible Involvement #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58604)

[Mohabi]

About the "plan" that fell through: what if Maria really had planned to give the baby up for adoption, maybe had even found a couple that wanted to adopt the baby, and was preparing to travel to wherever this couple lived for the last few weeks before the birth? What if this plan fell through because the couple decided not to adopt HER baby, or because she changed her mind and just couldn't go through with it?

Couldn't this be a reason for Maria to show up at CL's house telling him the plan fell through, maybe asking him to "do the right thing", or something along that line?

[Pharlap]

I now believed she was involved at least with the cover up.
Paint bought the 16th. And there was a lot of blood all over 2 rooms.
She'd have to be blind not seeing at least spots. Even after it was so called learned up by him..
Any small amounts left(which I wouldn't believe it got all of it) would bleed threw.
Where was wify again on the 16th?
JMO

[STEADFAST]

I now believed she was involved at least with the cover up.
Paint bought the 16th. And there was a lot of blood all over 2 rooms.
She'd have to be blind not seeing at least spots. Even after it was so called learned up by him..
Any small amounts left(which I wouldn't believe it got all of it) would bleed threw.
Where was wify again on the 16th?
JMO

Plus, even if the blood was cleaned up, there'd be bloody towels or rags, clothes, bath tub, etc. No way that could all be cleaned up in the time from early evening until she got home from a party.

Plus, plus, she'd have to be blind to not see the body, if it wasn't buried until the 16th.

[STEADFAST]

I was just telling my husband how strange it was that Christina wasn't an active-duty Marine when this case all started but she is now. And I asked him if they could call a specific reserve soldier up to active duty for a particular reason (as opposed to calling up a whole reserve unit.) He said yes, and now she's not free to take off, even if the civil authorities don't charge her with anything.

[Mygirlsadie]

That's good to know steadfast...but then I thought about it and it didn't stop her husband from running off. :mad:



I was just telling my husband how strange it was that Christina wasn't an active-duty Marine when this case all started but she is now. And I asked him if they could call a specific reserve soldier up to active duty for a particular reason (as opposed to calling up a whole reserve unit.) He said yes, and now she's not free to take off, even if the civil authorities don't charge her with anything.

[STEADFAST]

That's good to know steadfast...but then I thought about it and it didn't stop her husband from running off. :mad:

I don't mean she couldn't run off:) I mean she can't just leave town or refuse to come out of her house or something without being subject to arrest and imprisonment. Also, if the civilian authorities don't charge her with anything, the military can.

[Seven]

I was just telling my husband how strange it was that Christina wasn't an active-duty Marine when this case all started but she is now. And I asked him if they could call a specific reserve soldier up to active duty for a particular reason (as opposed to calling up a whole reserve unit.) He said yes, and now she's not free to take off, even if the civil authorities don't charge her with anything.

This is what I want to know, too, Stead!
Was she active duty on 12/14, the day of the Xmas party on base? If not, would she be allowed in even if her husband wasn't with her? An if so, wouldnt there be some record at the guard station?

Because if she went to that party to meet her husband there, wouldnt she have freaked out a little bit when he didnt show up?

Or did she know perfectly well why he wasn't showing up?! :eek:

[Seven]

Did anyone see Greta tonight?

She was talking to the rep of the Onslow County Sheriff's office, and he said that, as far as he knows right now etc., etc., xtina discovered cesar was gone at 4:00 a.m. 01/11 and found his note.

Has that guy not talked to the neighbor, Alander, whose wife saw Cesar at 6:30 a.m. that morning?

I think the sheriff rep's name was southerland or some such, but that neigbor was emphatic about the time, yet the sheriff dept guy spoke as if he'd never even heard there was a witness who saw him later.

strange . . . it's getting to me . . . :bang:

[STEADFAST]

This is what I want to know, too, Stead!
Was she active duty on 12/14, the day of the Xmas party on base? If not, would she be allowed in even if her husband wasn't with her? An if so, wouldnt there be some record at the guard station?

Because if she went to that party to meet her husband there, wouldnt she have freaked out a little bit when he didnt show up?

Or did she know perfectly well why he wasn't showing up?! :eek:

Yes, her dependent i.d. would get her on base without her husband even if she was a civilian. No, there would be no record. They just check out your car decal, look at your i.d., and wave you in. They don't make a record of incoming cars.

I bet she did freak out when her husband didn't show up at the party. I also bet she freaked out when she came home and found either a live or a dead Maria there. (Unless she knew why he wasn't showing up.)

[Seven]

Yes, her dependent i.d. would get her on base without her husband even if she was a civilian. No, there would be no record. They just check out your car decal, look at your i.d., and wave you in. They don't make a record of incoming cars.

I bet she did freak out when her husband didn't show up at the party. I also bet she freaked out when she came home and found either a live or a dead Maria there. (Unless she knew why he wasn't showing up.)
You got that right! :D

I'm thinking that if she did freak out, she would have been talking about it to some of their friends at the party and, at the very least, making lots of calls trying to find him. ....... Telephone records would come in handy here .... and, of course, a list of the party-goers w/whom she interacted at the party.

[Elphaba]

I think CNN's latest report speaks volumes. We all know that a wall had been recently painted over, where some of the blood was... but thing is, not a soul was named as to whom was doing the painting. Now it comes out that it seems to be HER seen painting the inside of the house...

Talk about raising eyebrows... this is one of those "things that make you hmmmmm" moments...

[Seven]

I think CNN's latest report speaks volumes. We all know that a wall had been recently painted over, where some of the blood was... but thing is, not a soul was named as to whom was doing the painting. Now it comes out that it seems to be HER seen painting the inside of the house...

Talk about raising eyebrows... this is one of those "things that make you hmmmmm" moments...

Plus ... whatever day/days it was that they were doing the painting, xtina told her neighbor (Mrs. Alander) that she and her husband were painting the inside of the garage as well some rooms in the house.

That was reported by Richard Alander, but he was not asked whether the garage was open at the time and whether or not his wife could see inside. I hope the wife gives an interview to someone, since she's the one who intereacted w/xtina the most (and overheard xtina and cesar talking outside the night before he went awol.


is America's Most Wanted on Saturday? :behindbar

[Tom'sGirl]

I think CNN's latest report speaks volumes. We all know that a wall had been recently painted over, where some of the blood was... but thing is, not a soul was named as to whom was doing the painting. Now it comes out that it seems to be HER seen painting the inside of the house...
I think they are confusing the information. Unless the information came from some other source than the Alanders.

Mr. Alander said his wife had said that Christina had said they were going to paint a few rooms and the garage, NOT that she saw her painting.

[Elphaba]

I know there is a lot of misinformation going on with this, but CNN is directly quoting Rick Sutherland, in the report:

"Neighbors claim to have seen Laurean's wife Christina painting the inside of her home recently", Sutherland said.

[Seven]

And wasn't there a report somewhere of someone who noticed a bunch of paint cans? ........ I dont remember if it was on Laureans' porch or driveway or what ....

somewhere along the line, I got the impression that the reason xtina told wanda about the painting was as an explanation for some activity ... whether it be unloading painting type equipment ... or what....:confused:

[swa]

I dunno... I don't think she was involved in this murder. As far as waiting to tell the police -- she's in a car with her husband who tells her a girl is dead and he buried her and he says, "Are You With Me?" -- she was probably scared out of her mind.

I'm not going to blame her for not running immediately to the police. She was probably trying to protect herself and her daughter.

[Seven]

I dunno... I don't think she was involved in this murder. As far as waiting to tell the police -- she's in a car with her husband who tells her a girl is dead and he buried her and he says, "Are You With Me?" -- she was probably scared out of her mind.

I'm not going to blame her for not running immediately to the police. She was probably trying to protect herself and her daughter.
The thing is: The being in the car, if it happened, happened on 01/10/08.

And the painting over the blood occured at least a week before that ... I read somewhere that they had receipts from his purchase of the paint on 12/16/07 ........ and that would constitute at the very least obstruction of justice, tampering with a crime scene.

Especially when she came home after the 12/14 xmas party to see the condition of her walls, ceilings and garage ....... when it had looked MUCH different when she left the house that morning.


:behindbar

[SeriouslySearching]

I think they are confusing the information. Unless the information came from some other source than the Alanders.

Mr. Alander said his wife had said that Christina had said they were going to paint a few rooms and the garage, NOT that she saw her painting. Hmmm...I thought you were correct until I was typing it just now...but it made me think. I know the wife said that (I heard her say it in an interview, but haven't found it yet), but I think I recall Mr. Alander stating he SAW them in the garage painting at some point, too.

[SeriouslySearching]

I was just telling my husband how strange it was that Christina wasn't an active-duty Marine when this case all started but she is now. And I asked him if they could call a specific reserve soldier up to active duty for a particular reason (as opposed to calling up a whole reserve unit.) He said yes, and now she's not free to take off, even if the civil authorities don't charge her with anything.Thank you! I was trying to figure that one out myself. However, since she was only to be a "witness", why would the Marines be worried she would take off? When did her "active" duty status come back into play? Why all of the sudden? There are still questions.

[dimples37398]

I am not 100% sure on this but is it possible that the military called her back up to active duty to protect her from questioning or incrimination, or
to protect the military themselves as far as incrimination or statements released from her about the military dropping the ball.

I mean since she is active duty now, and the military is federal and can decide if they want jurisdiction over a case or not. And it seems as well that Onslow Co. didn't want to step on anyone's toe's as far as the military was concerned. The military has kept her hidden well......and we still haven't seen a photo leaked of her.

Most cases we would find a photo somewhere somehow of a suspect or accomplice. I still for one second don't believe that if she was at the xmas party and her hubby had not shown up that she would just stay there and not call him or go home to see if he is ok. I would like to know what she told people at the party as to where he was.

If she made excuses like he is getting ready, or he isn't feeling well, or something like that.....then maybe she was covering for him so he could take care of any problem. If she honestly didn't know where he was wouldnt she atleast call him, or ride to the house to check on him? My hubby is Army and there is no way in the world I would stay at one of his unit xmas parties without him there.(unless he was deployed.....then maybe.)

Just a gut feeling that she knows more than they are releasing or more than she is telling.

If maria did go over there willingly to his house, then that really does question the fact of an affair rather than only the rape encounter. I just can't see after the rape allegations and that much time passing that she would just show up at his house after not talking to him for months.

Kel

[close_enough]

I dunno... I don't think she was involved in this murder. As far as waiting to tell the police -- she's in a car with her husband who tells her a girl is dead and he buried her and he says, "Are You With Me?" -- she was probably scared out of her mind.

I'm not going to blame her for not running immediately to the police. She was probably trying to protect herself and her daughter.

this is exactly what the lawyers on Greta's show said tonight (well, last night now)....the only one that blames her was Ted

[Pharlap]

The thing is: The being in the car, if it happened, happened on 01/10/08.

And the painting over the blood occured at least a week before that ... I read somewhere that they had receipts from his purchase of the paint on 12/16/07 ........ and that would constitute at the very least obstruction of justice, tampering with a crime scene.

Especially when she came home after the 12/14 xmas party to see the condition of her walls, ceilings and garage ....... when it had looked MUCH different when she left the house that morning.


:behindbar


Ok, lets put ourselves in her shoes.
You come home from a party early in the afternoon, knowing your hubby got off work at 12pm.
And you walk in the house/garage and see all hell has broken loose, smelling cleaners and paint, dogs in the front yard.
What would you think?
Then hubby wants to repaint and the child has to play in the front yard where the street is and there's a pit in your backyard and part of the fence is gone.
Would you think something is wrong?
What would the average person think?:eek:

[ShannonOhara]

Ok, lets put ourselves in her shoes.
You come home from a party early in the afternoon, knowing your hubby got off work at 12pm.
And you walk in the house/garage and see all hell has broken loose, smelling cleaners and paint, dogs in the front yard.
What would you think?
Then hubby wants to repaint and the child has to play in the front yard where the street is and there's a pit in your backyard and part of the fence is gone.
Would you think something is wrong?
What would the average person think?:eek:


Some women would do ANYTHING to protect their husbands (even if the husband is a lying POS)....SHe may have just jumped in and started helping ...trying to cover his butt, come up with a way to salvage her own familys life, not considering at all the fact that a murder has accured in her home. Perhaps all she was thinking is "How can I save my family".

I dont know all the facts, just specultating on what might have been going through her head. I dont think for a minute they thought they could conceal the fact that a murder took place in the home and a body was being conceiled in a pit, I think it was more like buying time to come up with a plan and make a geteway.

[ShannonOhara]

I was just thinking outloud, please excuse my spelling and grammer errors.
I am horrible at both.

[Pharlap]

I was just thinking outloud, please excuse my spelling and grammer errors.
I am horrible at both.

n/p I do that all the time....
ditto.............:blowkiss:

[Littledeer]

So far, I have to agree with Shannon's theory about Christine.

I just don't buy that she didn't know NOTHING about Maria until 1/10.

Key word being NOTHING in this post.

IMO

[paddy01]

And wasn't there a report somewhere of someone who noticed a bunch of paint cans? ........ I dont remember if it was on Laureans' porch or driveway or what ....

somewhere along the line, I got the impression that the reason xtina told wanda about the painting was as an explanation for some activity ... whether it be unloading painting type equipment ... or what....:confused:

Hi Seven, I read somewhere, wish I could remember there's been so much.
That the neighbor saw the paint cans and asked about them, Christiana then told neighbor they'd been doing some painting & they wanted to paint bedrooms & garage too. I remember this because we were all making jokes about our neighbors who notice everything we do.

[close_enough]

welcome Shannon:)

[Littledeer]

Shannon:

Forgive me for not welcoming you to WS!!!

Welcome Shannon. We might sound nuts, but were not crazy. Just the cases make us CRAZY. :)

[Pharlap]

Hi Seven, I read somewhere, wish I could remember there's been so much.
That the neighbor saw the paint cans and asked about them, Christiana then told neighbor they'd been doing some painting & they wanted to paint bedrooms & garage too. I remember this because we were all making jokes about our neighbors who notice everything we do.


Christiana then told neighbor THEY'D been doing some painting & they wanted to paint bedrooms & garage too.


That phase caught my attention.
K, what did they paint first, if next are the bedrooms & garage.
Was it in there plans all along (I don't think so, but maybe) to do some painting?

[JinxieJada]

I was just telling my husband how strange it was that Christina wasn't an active-duty Marine when this case all started but she is now. And I asked him if they could call a specific reserve soldier up to active duty for a particular reason (as opposed to calling up a whole reserve unit.) He said yes, and now she's not free to take off, even if the civil authorities don't charge her with anything.


Not stating one would want to, BUT, is there a way she could get out of the Marines, other than just "disappearing". Or would they pretty much deny her anything at this point that was optional, (Ie, They could let her go from her "contract" for X reason, But do NOT "have to")

Since, if the Civil Authorities do not charge her with anything, What is to stop her from going to Mexico to be with him if that's where he is?

[FlowerChild]

Not stating one would want to, BUT, is there a way she could get out of the Marines, other than just "disappearing". Or would they pretty much deny her anything at this point that was optional, (Ie, They could let her go from her "contract" for X reason, But do NOT "have to")

Since, if the Civil Authorities do not charge her with anything, What is to stop her from going to Mexico to be with him if that's where he is?
Right now I believe Xtina is "restricted to base" - in an informal way - as in she is being "encouraged" to stay on base by the CO to avoid press and to keep her and her daughter safe. I have a feeling Xtina is very aware many people "out here" think she is guilty in some way and "might" set out to harm her.

I am certain that after letting CL run from under their noses, the USMC is NOT going to allow Xtina to do the same thing. And if Xtina is in the reserves, she can be called up to active duty at any time and kept on active duty until her "reserve enlistment" is up. She has no choice in the matter, especially since they are not asking her to deploy, just to be on active duty on base.

Can Xtina go to Mexico after she has been discharged from the USMC? Yes...but I think at that point other LE agencies would be keeping her under some form of surveillance. At this point I don't think Xtina could to Taco Bell without being followed...much LESS Mexico.

My Opinion

[SuziQ]

I wonder what the extent of Xtina's restrictions are? Is she even allowed to leave the base? Do they have someone by her side 24/7? For all intense purposes, is she in the brig without being in the brig?

[Jolynna]

I wonder what the extent of Xtina's restrictions are? Is she even allowed to leave the base? Do they have someone by her side 24/7? For all intense purposes, is she in the brig without being in the brig?

Legally I don't think Christina is restricted more than any other marine.

She hasn't even been named a person of interest by LE.

Which doesn't mean she isn't being tailed or that her phones aren't tapped. We know mail in and out is gone over.

Calling her up so she will be on the base keeps Christina safer. She is a key witness if not more.

I would think forcing someone to pack things, write a note, withdraw money from their ATM and buy a bus ticket would be taking a lot of chances and eating up a lot of time.

I don't know how CL knew he would have time to lure Maria to his house, wait for her to get there, do all of the things in the above paragraph plus get back to his house with Maria, murder her and clean up the mess and clothes before his wife got home. He had to have planned it in advance.

But, how did he know his wife wouldn't get impatient waiting for him and go home?

I am not saying it isn't possible.

But, I think more likely than not, that there was some mess left when Christina got home.

Personally, I think Christina was in on the clean-up. I think a lot of people's first instinct is to preserve their family and to protect a loved one, no matter how heinious of an act their loved one has committed. You can't be on a crime board without seeing how people rally to stand by family members even when there is overwhelming evidence of that family member's guilt.

BUT, thinking Christina probably helped with the cleaning isn't proof. I think LE made a deal with her because there isn't evidence of Christina's participation and so they could get the goods on Cesar Laurean A.S.A.P.

[Littledeer]

I read on another thread where the LE gave some type of immunity to the wife for her testimony AGAINST her husband AND son.

I am a little confused as I have also seen that a spouse can't testify against each other?

Any clarification would be appreciated.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Shannon!

I don't think Christina has made a deal with LE yet. It wouldn't be in the best interest of the case, imo. If she told them the story that we heard in the search warrant...it doesn't sound like she has much to offer them to me to illicit any immunity to testify against him.

While a wife cannot be compelled to bring testimony against her husband...she can testify should she so desire. "Pillow talk" between spouses is considered privileged. This is the way I understand it anyway.

[chicoliving]

I read on another thread where the LE gave some type of immunity to the wife for her testimony AGAINST her husband AND son.

I am a little confused as I have also seen that a spouse can't testify against each other?

Any clarification would be appreciated.

Spouses can't be forced to testify against their spouse. Key word is forced. A spouse can testify against their spouse if they so desire.

[Littledeer]

I don't think Christina has made a deal with LE yet.

SS: You know I love you, but I disagree on this. I think Christine has MADE A DEAL, and because of that deal, anything CL says when (if) he is arrested that points to Christine's involvement will not result in a prison term for her.

IMO

[Littledeer]

chico:

Thank you so much..so the key word is FORCED........

So Christine can sing like a canary and also that would go in reverse for Cesar to sing also., if they so CHOOSE.

[chicoliving]

I think so Littledeer.

[Littledeer]

Thanks chico.

[SuziQ]

SS: You know I love you, but I disagree on this. I think Christine has MADE A DEAL, and because of that deal, anything CL says when (if) he is arrested that points to Christine's involvement will not result in a prison term for her.

IMO

That's what I'm afraid of! Now in some cases I've seen a truth clause. If at anytime the person that was given immunity is caught in a lie, then immunity is revoked and charges can be filed.

[Littledeer]

SS:

Ohhhhhhhhh. I like that "truth clause". Would that have to be disclosed to Christine by her attorney or by the LE?

If so, then wouldn't you think that anything she says would be the truth just so she doesn't get charged???

[KR2tonenow]

SS:

Ohhhhhhhhh. I like that "truth clause". Would that have to be disclosed to Christine by her attorney or by the LE?

If so, then wouldn't you think that anything she says would be the truth just so she doesn't get charged???

Right now we just have her side on things anyway...LE has no choice but to take her word until proven otherwise.

1/proof she painted inside??
2/did she drive Maria's car?
3/what happened in the Laurean home from 12/27-1/10?
4/was the backyard being re-landscaped?
5/is the handwriting on any of these notes Ctina's?

These are questions that I wonder about, in regards to Ctina's in:confused: volvement, after the fact.

[philamena]

[quote=Pharlap;1923762]Christiana then told neighbor THEY'D been doing some painting & they wanted to paint bedrooms & garage too.


.....quote]

That certainly clears up one of my questions about CL.
If she told her neighbor that THEY-meaning she and pos would be doing some painting...that confirms she saw the garage. And LE is speculating that Maria was murdered in the garage. That means CL had to see the blood in the garage before she and her husband painted it.
HOW can LE not charge CL with aiding and abetting????
Can't she be arrested for not telling LE about the murder sooner?

I simply don't see her as being innocent in all this.

[KR2tonenow]

[quote=Pharlap;1923762]Christiana then told neighbor THEY'D been doing some painting & they wanted to paint bedrooms & garage too.


.....quote]

That certainly clears up one of my questions about CL.
If she told her neighbor that THEY-meaning she and pos would be doing some painting...that confirms she saw the garage. And LE is speculating that Maria was murdered in the garage. That means CL had to see the blood in the garage before she and her husband painted it.
HOW can LE not charge CL with aiding and abetting????
Can't she be arrested for not telling LE about the murder sooner?

I simply don't see her as being innocent in all this.

Right, who paints a garage too, right? I wouldn't think that would be a priority in refurbishing.

Also, I think she is there ONLY key witness. Therefore, they have no choice but to take her on her word.

I think they are hoping Laurean contact's her. You better believe she is being tapped, followed and in some kind of protective custody. When this goes to trial, the big if, she will HAVE to testify. In the meantime, the have got to find Laurean!!

[philamena]

I don't know anyone who's painted their garage. :waitasec:
Of course no one that I know killed a pregnant woman in their garage either.:furious:

I'd also like to know why LE said there would be no charges filed against CL. I bet he's tried to make contact with her, surely he has. Then again, she's talked to police, maybe that took him by surprise.

[golfmom]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/20/ddn012008mariainside.html

Maria also told her mother about an ugly confrontation involving Laurean's wife, Christina. Maria said Christina called her a "bitch," and said, "What are you doing to us?"

[SeriouslySearching]

She said that in her statement to LE which was mentioned in the search warrant. She never mentioned a confrontation tho!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

And...drumroll please...we have yet ANOTHER due date for the baby!!

Meanwhile, her Jan. 15 due date was fast approaching. During an appointment at the Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital on Nov. 26, her obstetrician said her baby weighed more than 6 pounds.

~snip~

It also said she told her mother she was going to the Christmas party:

Mary Lauterbach's last conversation with her daughter occurred Dec. 14, when Maria called her about 2:30 p.m. at her office at the University of Dayton. Maria felt she needed to make an appearance at a command Christmas party, even though she knew Laurean would be there.
"Call me when you get home from the party," her mother said.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/20/ddn012008mariainside.html

This entire article is a MUST read! It has many details we have not heard before!!!

[Pharlap]

I don't know anyone who's painted their garage. :waitasec:
Of course no one that I know killed a pregnant woman in their garage either.:furious:

I'd also like to know why LE said there would be no charges filed against CL. I bet he's tried to make contact with her, surely he has. Then again, she's talked to police, maybe that took him by surprise.


Even if you have company coming over, who paints the garage...:confused:
Maybe when you first move in, paint the whole house/garage.
Btw, how long have they been living there?

[Elphaba]

Even if you have company coming over, who paints the garage...:confused:
Maybe when you first move in, paint the whole house/garage.
Btw, how long have they been living there?

Better yet: who paints a garage in the winter, when the weather is cool and damp, making it a tedious task that takes forever and a day to dry. Sure, people probably do it, but usually, such endeavors are put off until the warmth of spring has taken hold.

(I just did some interior painting, and even in a heated room, the paint still took a longer time to dry, than had I waited until spring. Think of a garage, though... most are not heated and most do not seal out the weather at hand, well... so painting it at this time of the year seems odd, to me.)

[STEADFAST]

And...drumroll please...we have yet ANOTHER due date for the baby!!

Meanwhile, her Jan. 15 due date was fast approaching. During an appointment at the Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital on Nov. 26, her obstetrician said her baby weighed more than 6 pounds.

~snip~

It also said she told her mother she was going to the Christmas party:

Mary Lauterbach's last conversation with her daughter occurred Dec. 14, when Maria called her about 2:30 p.m. at her office at the University of Dayton. Maria felt she needed to make an appearance at a command Christmas party, even though she knew Laurean would be there.
"Call me when you get home from the party," her mother said.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/20/ddn012008mariainside.html

This entire article is a MUST read! It has many details we have not heard before!!!

If Lauterbach didn't want to see Laurean at the Christmas party, she wouldn't have wanted to go to his house, either. I wonder how she got to his house.
The article also says that the bus ticket was bought the 15th for a bus that afternoon. There is so much confusion about when the ticket was bought, the 14th or 15th. Media reports both dates. Well, heck, they still report both dates as the day of her murder.:banghead:

[Ticamom]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/20/ddn012008mariainside.html

Maria also told her mother about an ugly confrontation involving Laurean's wife, Christina. Maria said Christina called her a "bitch," and said, "What are you doing to us?"

This statement speaks VOLUMES to me about Xtina's part in all this. She is no innocent clueless witness. She is in up to her eye balls. IMO: :bang:

[STEADFAST]

This statement speaks VOLUMES to me about Xtina's part in all this. She is no innocent clueless witness. She is in up to her eye balls. IMO: :bang:

I agree.

Also, I was thinking. I wonder why she stayed so long when her husband didn't show up at the unit party? If I showed up at a function at my husband's unit and he didn't show up, I wouldn't wait any more than an hour to begin to find out what had happened to him. I sure wouldn't stay all evening -- what if he was dead in a ditch?
But if my husband and I were planning on him killing someone that day, I would stay at the party (possibly even bringing my children to it, if they were allowed) as late as possible, until I got the okay to come back home.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, I think this shows the jealous rage I was talking about earlier. It had time to build after that confrontation, too.

Christina said it was "early evening" when she returned home and we know the last time Maria was seen alive was at 5:00 pm buying the bus ticket. If Cesar did write the suicide/burial letter...he puts himself at the bus station with her at that time.

[STEADFAST]

Yes, I think this shows the jealous rage I was talking about earlier. It had time to build after that confrontation, too.

Christina said it was "early evening" when she returned home and we know the last time Maria was seen alive was at 5:00 pm buying the bus ticket. If Cesar did write the suicide/burial letter...he puts himself at the bus station with her at that time.

If Maria bought the ticket at 5:00, then she was, obviously, killed after 5:00. That would have been just before Christina came home -- not nearly enough time to clean up huge amounts of blood and get rid of the body. So, she's guilty there.

Or
Maybe Maria was killed soon after her 2:30 call to her mother. I wonder when Christina arrived at the Christmas party?? Then Christina could help cover up by leaving the party in the early evening (in the middle of winter that would be around 4:30-5:00), picking up Maria's car at the Laurean home, driving to the bus station to impersonate Maria, making a big deal out of the car she was driving so everyone would remember. Look how much trouble we're having even telling which guy Laurean is in the video at the store, and we're familiar with pictures of him, the bus station attendant would remember the car better than the face.
I can't believe there isn't a picture of Christina out there.

[Pharlap]

I sure wish there was one of CL....
Can you imagine the tips they would get, I would think?
Without putting it out there, is it in any way slowing the investigation?

[philamena]

Even if you have company coming over, who paints the garage...:confused:
Maybe when you first move in, paint the whole house/garage.
Btw, how long have they been living there?
Pharlap,
I'll see if that's posted somewhere.
I still don't know anyone who paints a garage.
Was this a:waitasec: red flag for the neighbor?

[Littledeer]

When the video was showing the garage on AMW, did anyone happen to see a freezer of any sort????

[soobs]

When the video was showing the garage on AMW, did anyone happen to see a freezer of any sort????

I taped the show (showing my age, I said "taped") I'll go back and look at it in slo-mo.

[KR2tonenow]

When the video was showing the garage on AMW, did anyone happen to see a freezer of any sort????

LD, I recall seeing plastic bins is all from AMW last night.

[Littledeer]

KR2:

Thanks for taking the time to look. I was just thinking that maybe CL had put Maria in a freezer until he buried her? With the possibility of (if we believe that Christina was not at home when Maria was murdered) Christina coming home soon after the murder, his first priority would have been in cleaning up the blood, etc. So he would need to put Maria in a place where Christina would not see her.

Don't think the bins would have worked with Maria being 8 months pregnant though.

[SeriouslySearching]

I sure wish there was one of CL....
Can you imagine the tips they would get, I would think?
Without putting it out there, is it in any way slowing the investigation?
Of COURSE it is slowing the investigation!! Without a doubt!! If people don't know what she looks like to identify her as being this place or that place doing whatever...it has to hamper the investigation. They only have what she has given them which I am sure they have checked out as well as they can, but who is to say she wasn't seen places with Cesar that day?

[Littledeer]

SS:

I renewed my classmates subscription today, maybe I can spend some time later this evening and see if I can find anything on Christina.

Has anyone done this yet??

[SeriouslySearching]

Not that I am aware of, LD! That would be great! Thanks!

[Littledeer]

Okay. Will do it then. I am going to try both names though:

Christina Smith
Chrisitna Shiflett

Any other possibilities?

I'm thinking she would have graduated between 1976 to 1978? Giving one can graduate a year early, or have been held back one year. Does that seem right?

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL She isn't 49!! I believe she would have graduated after 2002.

[KR2tonenow]

Okay. Will do it then. I am going to try both names though:

Christina Smith
Chrisitna Shiflett

Any other possibilities?

I'm thinking she would have graduated between 1976 to 1978? Giving one can graduate a year early, or have been held back one year. Does that seem right?

Do we know the age of Christina. Possible maiden names, where was this documented?

[SeriouslySearching]

She was older than Cesar. Maria, I think, graduated in 2002 (not positive...just recall seeing her standing in front of that 2002 sign with her name on the fence.) So Christina could have graduated in 2000 or 2001.

[Littledeer]

It has been stated that the marriage certificate listed her as "Christina Sue Smith", but her parents last name is Shifflet.

She was born on 7/21/83.

[Tom'sGirl]

SS:

I renewed my classmates subscription today, maybe I can spend some time later this evening and see if I can find anything on Christina.


Has anyone done this yet??

Yep, sure did last week, and didn't find her!

[Littledeer]

Well, guess my MATH WAS WAY OFF!!!!! And I see my mistake now. How stupid of me!!! So sorry!!!

Tom's Girl: Did you look under both names?

[kathyn2]

Man, I think Christina is up to her eyeballs in this case and it makes me mad the Sheriff's office seems to be ignoring the obvious. What is with this local sheriff's office? They seem totally inept!!

[Schmerty_Jones]

You are so right! Though I don't always agree with Nancy G's. tactics...I am glad she put the Sherriff on the spot. Clearly ,Christina has to know what's going on ,unless she's deaf, dumb & blind.:eek:

[Jolynna]

Man, I think Christina is up to her eyeballs in this case and it makes me mad the Sheriff's office seems to be ignoring the obvious. What is with this local sheriff's office? They seem totally inept!!

Christina and CL talked to a lawyer together on the 10th. He had talked to a lawyer on the 9th before he supposedly confessed to Christina and according to the affidavit had been told he possibly faced the death penalty.

I, personally, think Christina talked to the lawyer about what she might face IF she should be named as an accessory. Although she would have told the lawyer she had just found out about what CL did and not admitted to any involvement.

Her lawyer HAD to have made a deal before LE and prosecutors were told anything. With a deal, UNLESS evidence comes out that Christina is guilty of more than she admitted, she WON'T be charged.

Christina lawyered up. Any lawyer worth his salt would have worked to get a deal before Christina talked.

My opinion, only.

[Jolynna]

Man, I think Christina is up to her eyeballs in this case and it makes me mad the Sheriff's office seems to be ignoring the obvious. What is with this local sheriff's office? They seem totally inept!!

If the prosecutors cut a deal, unless there is strong actual evidence Christina did more than what she said she did in affidavit, she will remain the "key witness".

The sheriff's office can't override the prosecutor's.

In my opinion.

[kathyn2]

I don't even believe the story that christina cooked up. I think Christina knew about this case from the day it happened and maybe even was there and in on it. I think her and Cesar have been talking about it together ever since. Planning and trying to decide what to do. There is always an element of truth in lies. They probably did go to the lawyer with their story to see whats up and what he thought to get his opinion on the matter and cooked up their final story with her agreeing that he would get a huge head start to get down to Mexico before the police found out anything. I don't believe for a minute her explanation to talk to relatives about what to do. Any normal person would have been on the phone the second they got a letter like that from the suspect husband or not. I know I would be. I think Christina is/was glad Maria is dead. She may have even been the one to beat her with that crowbar. Why would Cesar need a crowbar to beat her? He could have just strangled her or something. A big strong marine like him.

[Mygirlsadie]

1976-1978? Are you serious? I never realized she was that old?!



Okay. Will do it then. I am going to try both names though:

Christina Smith
Chrisitna Shiflett

Any other possibilities?

I'm thinking she would have graduated between 1976 to 1978? Giving one can graduate a year early, or have been held back one year. Does that seem right?

[Littledeer]

mygirl:

MY MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for the confusion!!! Fingers miskeyed!!!

[Jolynna]

I don't even believe the story that christina cooked up. I think Christina knew about this case from the day it happened and maybe even was there and in on it. I think her and Cesar have been talking about it together ever since. Planning and trying to decide what to do. There is always an element of truth in lies. They probably did go to the lawyer with their story to see whats up and what he thought to get his opinion on the matter and cooked up their final story with her agreeing that he would get a huge head start to get down to Mexico before the police found out anything. I don't believe for a minute her explanation to talk to relatives about what to do. Any normal person would have been on the phone the second they got a letter like that from the suspect husband or not. I know I would be. I think Christina is/was glad Maria is dead. She may have even been the one to beat her with that crowbar. Why would Cesar need a crowbar to beat her? He could have just strangled her or something. A big strong marine like him.

I don't believe Christina's story either. I doubt the sheriff or prosecutors do.

But, there is no proof of Christina's wrongdoing. She has an alibi and according to her sworn statement had no knowledge of her husband's crime UNTIL Jan. 10.

As CL's wife Christina doesn't HAVE to testify against him.

If CL is caught, according to the note he left, he is going to say and testify that Christina knew nothing about and was NOT part of the murder. If that's the case, how would anyone prove otherwise?

Until or unless there is proof Christina is guilty of more, it is to LE's advantage to have Christina cooperating.

My opinion.

[kathyn2]

The trouble is, as far as I can see, is that Christina was probably home when the killing took place. When do they claim she left the party or what time does she claim to have come home? Maria couldn't have been killed til after 5pm. There just isn't time for her to argue with Cesar, get herself killed (It looks like she fought for her life) and have him do all this cleaning up and ridding himself of a body before Christina came home. Where was the baby all this time???

[Tom'sGirl]

Well, guess my MATH WAS WAY OFF!!!!! And I see my mistake now. How stupid of me!!! So sorry!!!

Tom's Girl: Did you look under both names?

LOL, I used all names. know the ropes as I've been a paid Reunion Contact there for eight years. Even if you put in married last names, IF they're registered they come up.

[Mygirlsadie]

Oh ok no problem! I was just thinking if she was that old then IMO that was another motive for Christina.



mygirl:

MY MISTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for the confusion!!! Fingers miskeyed!!!

[Jolynna]

The trouble is, as far as I can see, is that Christina was probably home when the killing took place. When do they claim she left the party or what time does she claim to have come home? Maria couldn't have been killed til after 5pm. There just isn't time for her to argue with Cesar, get herself killed (It looks like she fought for her life) and have him do all this cleaning up and ridding himself of a body before Christina came home. Where was the baby all this time???


Unfortunately, probably isn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If CL takes full responsibility and says his wife knew nothing, I don't think there is any evidence to prove otherwise.

Right now, the written word from CL is that Christina knew nothing and did not participate.

Common sense might say something else, but it isn't evidence.

My opinion only.

[Pharlap]

Unfortunately, probably isn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If CL takes full responsibility and says his wife knew nothing, I don't think there is any evidence to prove otherwise.

Right now, the written word from CL is that Christina knew nothing and did not participate.

Common sense might say something else, but it isn't evidence.

My opinion only.


However forgetting about one thing. No picture of her, so people if they had tips to call in...
Wait till we all see what happens when one does show up.
There's got to be a reason the military/sheriff is not presenting one of hers.
Wish the neighbors would post one..

[Jolynna]

However forgetting about one thing. No picture of her, so people if they had tips to call in...
Wait till we all see what happens when one does show up.
There's got to be a reason the military/sheriff is not presenting one of hers.
Wish the neighbors would post one..

Christina isn't a suspect or a person of interest. If a "deal" was cut, she won't be unless there is evidence of more.

The media can't publish a private person's picture unless that person signs a release...especially against their expressed opposition.

Christina has a lawyer protecting her every right.

IMO

[lilpony]

LOL, I used all names. know the ropes as I've been a paid Reunion Contact there for eight years. Even if you put in married last names, IF they're registered they come up.

So your the one that's been sending me notices about my reunions. :D
I've never went to any, shame on me!:D

[STEADFAST]

Unfortunately, probably isn't proof beyond a reasonable doubt. If CL takes full responsibility and says his wife knew nothing, I don't think there is any evidence to prove otherwise.

Right now, the written word from CL is that Christina knew nothing and did not participate.

Common sense might say something else, but it isn't evidence.

My opinion only.

The written word from CL is that Maria committed suicide. There's no more physical evidence that Cesar did it than there is that Christina did it, that we know of. Just circumstancial evidence -- against both of them.

[kathyn2]

I wonder if Christina and CL thought they could get away with saying it was a suicide and that the authorities would believe this? Are they that stupid that the think the medical examiner wouldn't find the real cause of death? I suppose they are kind of young and may not have a clue.

[Littledeer]

STEADFAST:

The written word from CL is that Maria committed suicide. There's no more physical evidence that Cesar did it than there is that Christina did it, that we know of. Just circumstancial evidence -- against both of them.

First, you know I love you, but you made me think of Wudge with that post. :eek:

However, your right that there has been no "evidence" yet presented by either the Marine brass, LE, Coroners Office, DNA Lab Tesing Site, etc. that says CL and/or Christina had any involvement in the death of Maria.

But like DP's case, a lot of circumstantial evidence that just doesn't point to anywhere else but back to them.

[Pharlap]

Christina isn't a suspect or a person of interest. If a "deal" was cut, she won't be unless there is evidence of more.

The media can't publish a private person's picture unless that person signs a release...especially against their expressed opposition.

Christina has a lawyer protecting her every right.

IMO


Thanks,:blowkiss: didn't know that. So what your saying is a neighbor can't post a public picture of her on the net on there own...

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote]The media can't publish a private person's picture unless that person signs a release...especially against their expressed opposition.
Of course they can, and do.

[soobs]

cirsumstantial evidence is evidence, it's just not physical evidence. Sometimes that's all you have, so you have to have more of it to convince a jury. There's an 800 lb gorilla in this case (the fire pit), hard to splane that one away Lucy.........

As to the husband, not the wife, sorry.

[Tom'sGirl]

So your the one that's been sending me notices about my reunions. :D
I've never went to any, shame on me!:D
Nope, I didn't go to school with you :crazy: , but this is O/T sorry posters :o

[Tom'sGirl]

The written word from CL is that Maria committed suicide. There's no more physical evidence that Cesar did it than there is that Christina did it, that we know of. Just circumstancial evidence -- against both of them.
But we now know the COD was blunt force trauma, not a laceration to her throat, and they are now examining a possible weapon for forencis.

[KR2tonenow]

Man, I think Christina is up to her eyeballs in this case and it makes me mad the Sheriff's office seems to be ignoring the obvious. What is with this local sheriff's office? They seem totally inept!!


Did you see the Captain of Onslow Police Dept, dated 1/18 video? The Captain looked like he hasn't slept a wink, since Maria was found...

Everytime the press eluded to Christina's involvement, he seemed to turn higher in color, like he was holding something back. I think she's their key witness to this case, so their hands are definitely tied:rolleyes:

[Jolynna]

The written word from CL is that Maria committed suicide. There's no more physical evidence that Cesar did it than there is that Christina did it, that we know of. Just circumstancial evidence -- against both of them.

But...

They have a video of CL using Maria's credit card.

They have CL's written admission that he went with Maria to the bus station. CL also said Maria came to his house at a time Christina wasn't there. CL also said he SAW Maria commit suicide. He said he was at the house with Maria ALONE.

CL admits in writing to burying Maria etc.

Physical evidence disproves CL's version of how Maria died. BUT, CL admitted being there at the time she died. He says he was alone with Maria.

Christina is also a witness to CL saying what he later put in writing.

There is enough circumstancial evidence against CL with his confessed word, the blood evidence, the body and video to file charges.

Christina has admitted to nothing but being told a story by CL. The confessed body-burier and suicide watcher says he was ALONE with Maria at a time Christina can prove she was elsewhere.

Maybe, when CL is found things for Christina will change. But, I think, at this point, she has cut a deal and is and will remain (unless evidence against her is found) a witness.

IMO

[KR2tonenow]

The trouble is, as far as I can see, is that Christina was probably home when the killing took place. When do they claim she left the party or what time does she claim to have come home? Maria couldn't have been killed til after 5pm. There just isn't time for her to argue with Cesar, get herself killed (It looks like she fought for her life) and have him do all this cleaning up and ridding himself of a body before Christina came home. Where was the baby all this time???

Besides, he seems the type to make the woman clean anyway:eek:

[Littledeer]

I agree that there is more than enough CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE to say/think that CL murdered Maria.

Christina is another story. IMO, she is culpable of accesory, but has cut a deal.

[s_finch]

But we now know the COD was blunt force trauma, not a laceration to her throat, and they are now examining a possible weapon for forencis.

So who commits suicide of "blunt force trauma"? Who says, "Gee, I think I'll take this big old crow bar and hit myself in the head and see if I die"--no way. Course, "blunt force trauma" could happen if she fell, but that does't explain all the blood.


BTW, how sick does one have to be to have a bbq over a dead person, not to mention a baby. If Cesar was going to flee, why go through having a bbq, etc.... why not just run to begin with. My hinky meter says Christina is past her eyeballs in this. Any chance she was the murderer, she planned the bbq and has been the entire "master mind". Again, I'll state that we aren't sure Cesar is still alive. Christina may have gotten rid of him.

[s_finch]

But...

They have a video of CL using Maria's credit card.

They have CL's written admission that he went with Maria to the bus station. CL also said Maria came to his house at a time Christina wasn't there. CL also said he SAW Maria commit suicide. He said he was at the house with Maria ALONE.

CL admits in writing to burying Maria etc.

Physical evidence disproves CL's version of how Maria died. BUT, CL admitted being there at the time she died. He says he was alone with Maria.

Christina is also a witness to CL saying what he later put in writing.

There is enough circumstancial evidence against CL with his confessed word, the blood evidence, the body and video to file charges.

Christina has admitted to nothing but being told a story by CL. The confessed body-burier and suicide watcher says he was ALONE with Maria at a time Christina can prove she was elsewhere.

Maybe, when CL is found things for Christina will change. But, I think, at this point, she has cut a deal and is and will remain (unless evidence against her is found) a witness.

IMO

Just curious.....have handwriting experts proved this note was written by Cesar??

[KR2tonenow]

So who commits suicide of "blunt force trauma"? Who says, "Gee, I think I'll take this big old crow bar and hit myself in the head and see if I die"--no way. Course, "blunt force trauma" could happen if she fell, but that does't explain all the blood.


BTW, how sick does one have to be to have a bbq over a dead person, not to mention a baby. If Cesar was going to flee, why go through having a bbq, etc.... why not just run to begin with. My hinky meter says Christina is past her eyeballs in this. Any chance she was the murderer, she planned the bbq and has been the entire "master mind". Again, I'll state that we aren't sure Cesar is still alive. Christina may have gotten rid of him.

It is odd how Christina received 2 letters from Laurean after he disapppeared, almost like that was planned as well.

Everything in this case appears premeditated. Planned out to the point of fact, we wonder why didn't Laurean leave sooner. Why wait 10 days to redecorate unless he really thought he'd get away with the murder and BBQing of Maria.

[soobs]

I'm confused about something. Was the fire pit over the burial site or next to it?

[KR2tonenow]

I'm confused about something. Was the fire pit over the burial site or next to it?

the fire pit was the burial site:eek:

[s_finch]

Does Christina have family in Houston? Maybe she mailed the postcards (in an envelope) to someone with instructions to mail them to her. Her receiving the postcards reminds me of "Shawshank Redemption".

[Jolynna]

[quote=Jolynna;1926720]

Of course they can, and do.

Let me clarify, when I worked for newspapers, you could not release a private person's picture without their permission.

Either you had them sign a release or they were the source of the picture.

Anything a person has put out themselves on the web or previously allowed to be published (year book, previous picture with their club etc.) is fair game.

Things have probably changed. But, that was the way it used to be.

IMO

[Littledeer]

How strange is it that not one sighting of CL has been seen since earlier this week??

Has he bunkered down in Mexico? Did he commit suicide somewhere? You would think with a NATIONAL MANHUNT with as many postings that are out there of his picture, he would have been seen here and there??

[peace9274]

How strange is it that not one sighting of CL has been seen since earlier this week??

Has he bunkered down in Mexico? Did he commit suicide somewhere? You would think with a NATIONAL MANHUNT with as many postings that are out there of his picture, he would have been seen here and there??

I'm surprised LE or AMW hasn't posted a forensic artist's drawing or a photoshopped version of Laurean disguising himself...
with longer hair - beard - moustache.

[peace9274]

I'm sure anyone with photoshop could do it.

If I didn't have to go into work tonight at 12 midnight (and do another double... nights - days) and didn't need a nap before going, I'd revise one of his photos, and add a beard, longer hair.

[STEADFAST]

STEADFAST:



First, you know I love you, but you made me think of Wudge with that post. :eek:

However, your right that there has been no "evidence" yet presented by either the Marine brass, LE, Coroners Office, DNA Lab Tesing Site, etc. that says CL and/or Christina had any involvement in the death of Maria.

But like DP's case, a lot of circumstantial evidence that just doesn't point to anywhere else but back to them.

I must not have worded my post right, if you think I am discounting circumstancial evidence! I was just replying to a post saying that there was no evidence against Christina and that she would probably go free if CL didn't implicate her. I was just pointing out that, the way I see the evidence, she looks just as guilty as he does. And I don't mean either/or, I mean both of them.

[Jolynna]

I must not have worded my post right, if you think I am discounting circumstancial evidence! I was just replying to a post saying that there was no evidence against Christina and that she would probably go free if CL didn't implicate her. I was just pointing out that, the way I see the evidence, she looks just as guilty as he does. And I don't mean either/or, I mean both of them.

I think the difference is, CL confessed to burying Maria and being alone with Maria when she died.

Christina admitted to nothing.

IMO

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm surprised LE or AMW hasn't posted a forensic artist's drawing or a photoshopped version of Laurean disguising himself...
with longer hair - beard - moustache.

We here at WS and the LE did that in another case and it was so far off it was pathetic. Cesar has the looks and build of someone most wouldn't give a second glance to.

[STEADFAST]

I think the difference is, CL confessed to burying Maria and being alone with Maria when she died.

Christina admitted to nothing.

IMO

I guess I just don't put that much stock into what people don't admit to doing.:)

[KR2tonenow]

We here at WS and the LE did that in another case and it was so far off it was pathetic. Cesar has the looks and build of someone most wouldn't give a second glance to.

I was thinking that his looks are average and easy to blend in with a hood anywhere.

[Tom'sGirl]

I was thinking that his looks are average and easy to blend in with a hood anywhere.
Yes, blend he would, with or without a 'hoodie' or a 'beanie'.

[Tom'sGirl]

I just grabbed these from GretaWire. First one shows a 'tat' we haven't seen before!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2cf5wgn.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/28qramo.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/2i7u8wj.jpg

[philamena]

How strange is it that not one sighting of CL has been seen since earlier this week??

Has he bunkered down in Mexico? Did he commit suicide somewhere? You would think with a NATIONAL MANHUNT with as many postings that are out there of his picture, he would have been seen here and there??

He is a Mexican National who joined the US Marines.
He has family and friends in Mexico and if he's there, he will not have to come back to the states for his arrest. That is Mexico's way and law.
IMO there is no way he'll commit suicide.
His picture will almost mean nothing in Mexico. He could easily change his appearance by dying his hair, growing facial hair, etc.

[philamena]

http://i29.tinypic.com/2cf5wgn.jpg
That could help nail him.
Thanks Tom's Girl.

[Tom'sGirl]

http://i29.tinypic.com/2cf5wgn.jpg
That could help nail him.
Thanks Tom's Girl.
YW philamena!

[Mygirlsadie]

Thanks for the new pics Tom'sGirl... yep he has a yuck look! No lips,fat bloated face,pimples! Sorry just can't control myself.



I just grabbed these from GretaWire. First one shows a 'tat' we haven't seen before!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2cf5wgn.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/28qramo.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/2i7u8wj.jpg

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks for the new pics Tom'sGirl... yep he has a yuck look! No lips,fat bloated face,pimples! Sorry just can't control myself.
You're also welcome Mygirl :)

[lilpony]

Nope, I didn't go to school with you :crazy: , but this is O/T sorry posters :o

I was teasing. LOL...:crazy:

[Jolynna]

I guess I just don't put that much stock into what people don't admit to doing.:)

You shouldn't. :)

But, after CL confessed to the body burying and being alone with Maria when she died, LE HAD to charge him.

As I said, I think Christina is guilty of some cleaning up and maybe more. But my rationalizing things most likely happened a certain way isn't proof.

A bloody fingerprint left behind, Christina's DNA found on Maria or her clothes, Christina's dna on the murder weapon or CL changing his story...those things are evidence that could implicate.

IMO

[STEADFAST]

Thanks for the new pics Tom'sGirl... yep he has a yuck look! No lips,fat bloated face,pimples! Sorry just can't control myself.

Someone posted on LeJeune Underground that he looks like Gomer Pyle. I couldn't see it, until I got a load of that second picture.

[Seven]

But...

They have a video of CL using Maria's credit card.

They have CL's written admission that he went with Maria to the bus station. CL also said Maria came to his house at a time Christina wasn't there. CL also said he SAW Maria commit suicide. He said he was at the house with Maria ALONE.

CL admits in writing to burying Maria etc.

Physical evidence disproves CL's version of how Maria died. BUT, CL admitted being there at the time she died. He says he was alone with Maria.

Christina is also a witness to CL saying what he later put in writing.

There is enough circumstancial evidence against CL with his confessed word, the blood evidence, the body and video to file charges.

Christina has admitted to nothing but being told a story by CL. The confessed body-burier and suicide watcher says he was ALONE with Maria at a time Christina can prove she was elsewhere.

Maybe, when CL is found things for Christina will change. But, I think, at this point, she has cut a deal and is and will remain (unless evidence against her is found) a witness.

IMO

Hi, Jolyna! It's good to see you again! :D

All very good points.
There are a couple things, though:

1. Wanda Alander (neighbor) saw CL in their driveway at 6:30 a.m. on the same day xtina told LE (and they used in their affidavit for search warrant) she had awakend at 4:00 a.m. to find CL's notes AND CL was already gone (1/11/4). IOW she lied to LE.

2. Wanda talked to Xtina on the day she and CL were painting the inside of their house and garage. CSI, via luminol among other things, found lots of blood on walls and ceilings and in garage ~~ the same walls xtina painted over, cleaning up the crime scene. Accessory after the fact. (although I guess that's also circumstantial)

3. Where did xtina think her husband was while she was at the christmas party on the base? wouldn't most wives going to a party at her husband's office expect him to show up? And wouldnt they be expressing concern to their friends and making calls? .......... And if xtina didn't behave this way, friends must have asked her where her husband was. ........ I'd like to find out what she said at the party and how she behaved .......... And, like you, I also think it's significant to find out where their baby was and who the babysitter was they left her with and when they picked her up ......... (That's assuming she wasn't at home at the time the murder took place.)! :furious:

[Seven]

Someone posted on LeJeune Underground that he looks like Gomer Pyle. I couldn't see it, until I got a load of that second picture.

That's funny, Steadfast!
He does seem to have Gomer's nose! :loser:

[Pharlap]

3. Where did xtina think her husband was while she was at the christmas party on the base? wouldn't most wives going to a party at her husband's office expect him to show up? And wouldnt they be expressing concern to their friends and making calls? .......... And if xtina didn't behave this way, friends must have asked her where her husband was. ........ I'd like to find out what she said at the party and how she behaved .......... And, like you, I also think it's significant to find out where their baby was and who the babysitter was they left her with and when they picked her up ......... (That's assuming she wasn't at home at the time the murder took place.)! :furious:


You'd think she would of just meet him there, since he was on the base.
You'd also think when she found out he wasn't there, you'd call right away to say where are you.
If she did call him(how many times) the pings would tell where he was at.
Le knows her time line and the pings, wonder why they don't release that.

[chiperoni]

i would also like to know if christina had a confidant on the base whom she talked to other than her own family. It would be natural for her to confide in someone her age. I surmise CL was worried and preoccupied since the rape charges.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks for finding the tat pic, TG! I wonder why this isn't up on the AMW site? It is an excellent way to identify him.

Christina could have been homeschooled or attended military type schools as her father was in the military. (We don't know where they were stationed during his years in the service.)

I think it is funny that when I started this thread, people were rather up in arms that I would lean towards Christina having known or that she had something to do with this. My how things change when parts of the truth begin to emerge!

[close_enough]

I just grabbed these from GretaWire. First one shows a 'tat' we haven't seen before!

http://i29.tinypic.com/2cf5wgn.jpg
http://i27.tinypic.com/28qramo.jpg
http://i29.tinypic.com/2i7u8wj.jpg

great find!....they appear to be home-type pictures...maybe Christina dug these pics up for the media?...i highly doubt his family did...

[SeriouslySearching]

I can assure you that Christina did nothing of the sort. I believe these were taken off websites such as myspace.

[Xianna]

Hi all. I'm new. I don't know if this has been posted before, but I found it on another site.
If you scroll down to "In-Laws Express Anger, Frustration at Accused Marine" there's an interview with Christina's parents and a picture of Christina with her face blurred out.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/2298787/

[Ticamom]

Hi all. I'm new. I don't know if this has been posted before, but I found it on another site.
If you scroll down to "In-Laws Express Anger, Frustration at Accused Marine" there's an interview with Christina's parents and a picture of Christina with her face blurred out.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/2298787/

Welcome to Websleuths Xianna ! :)

Thanks for the link and the photo !

[Seven]

Welcome, Xianna! :)

Has anyone heard who "his friend" is?
The guy does look like he might be military, too.


:behindbar

[SuziQ]

Xianna, Welcome and thanks for the video and pictures! Xtina's parents are so tore up as it is. They will be destroyed if Xtina is involved.

[Mygirlsadie]

Probably her sister who is also stationed at Camp Lejeune! More then likely she won't rat her sister out... :rolleyes:



i would also like to know if christina had a confidant on the base whom she talked to other than her own family. It would be natural for her to confide in someone her age. I surmise CL was worried and preoccupied since the rape charges.

[Mygirlsadie]

Bahaha he sure does..goofy as anything! Too bad he didn't have the heart of gold that Gomer Pyle had.



Someone posted on LeJeune Underground that he looks like Gomer Pyle. I couldn't see it, until I got a load of that second picture.

[Jolynna]

Xianna, Welcome and thanks for the video and pictures! Xtina's parents are so tore up as it is. They will be destroyed if Xtina is involved.

I'd like to welcome Xinanna too and thank her for that link.

Christina's parents, to me, seem like very nice people. Christina's mom is obviously worried about and upset for her daughter. I think the parents think Christina was left holding the bag.

[SeriouslySearching]

Probably her sister who is also stationed at Camp Lejeune! More then likely she won't rat her sister out... :rolleyes:She has a sister there?!?!?! Well, that explains who could have helped her then and would not rat her out!

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Xianna! Thanks for the link. : ) Too bad Christina's photo was blurred out tho. (Does this mean the media DOES have her photo then?!)

[Mygirlsadie]

Yes but I am not sure if her sister is the one in the marines or if it's her husband or both... Sisters name is Amber Emrick and she is married to Tyler Emrick.



She has a sister there?!?!?! Well, that explains who could have helped her then and would not rat her out!

[Pharlap]

She has a sister there?!?!?! Well, that explains who could have helped her then and would not rat her out!


Now there's a sister in the mix....
She probably went to the christmas party.:waitasec:

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if her brother-in-law was the one who punched Maria in the face?

[JDB]

It is amazing how people assume things that are not facts. Why is it so hard to think the CL did this with no help at all? What happened in this coutry of innocent till proven gulity? If the LE thought Christina was involved do not you think she would be in custody by now? After all CL disappeared over a week ago.

[SeriouslySearching]

The facts are now coming out, JDB. Christina's own words are not ringing true.

Initially, LE thought they had scored HUGE with her willing to tell them everything. I think once they started listening to her and seeing the holes in what she was saying...it was then an effort to keep her talking and not lawyering up. I still think this is the case or LE gave her a deal before they realized they made a huge mistake in doing so.

[JDB]

The facts are now coming out, JDB. Christina's own words are not ringing true.

To who US???? I guess the LE and the USMC do not know anything?

[SuziQ]

It is amazing how people assume things that are not facts. Why is it so hard to think the CL did this with no help at all? What happened in this coutry of innocent till proven gulity? If the LE thought Christina was involved do not you think she would be in custody by now? After all CL disappeared over a week ago.

The issue may not be if CL had help, but did they know they were helping. After all, we know someone helped CL carry and load "supplies" of a murder coverup at Lowe's. We know Christina helped her husband paint. We know that Christina waited a day until notifying LE of her husbands confession.

Why would LE arrest someone on the spot and cause them to lawyer up as long as they are talking? As soon as Xtina lawyers up, she shuts up.

[SuziQ]

BTW, without a doubt Xtina broke the law when she waited an unreasonable amount of time to report her husbands confession.

[JDB]

The issue may not be if CL had help, but did they know they were helping. After all, we know someone helped CL carry and load "supplies" of a murder coverup at Lowe's. We know Christina helped her husband paint. We know that Christina waited a day until notifying LE of her husbands confession.

Why would LE arrest someone on the spot and cause them to lawyer up as long as they are talking? As soon as Xtina lawyers up, she shuts up.

Now this I agree with. Might have helped without evening knowing about what had happened.IIRC Maria when she went in on the 11th. she was with a lawyer then.

[JDB]

BTW, without a doubt Xtina broke the law when she waited an unreasonable amount of time to report her husbands confession.

Once again if she feared for her life also . Put yourself in her shoes what would you do?

[SuziQ]

Once again if she feared for her life also . Put yourself in her shoes what would you do?

If she feared for her life, she would have bolted at the attorneys office. Why would she fear him if she believed his story? He said he didn't kill Maria, remember?

[SuziQ]

Now this I agree with. Might have helped without evening knowing about what had happened.IIRC Maria when she went in on the 11th. she was with a lawyer then.

You mean Xtina? True, but there is a difference between meeting with an attorney by your side as a witness, than having attorney when you are a suspect.

[Pharlap]

Opps, I deleted my post, because she was told Maria committed suicide, which I forgot...

[SuziQ]

Opps, I deleted my post, because she was told Maria committed suicide, which I forgot...

Too late! I read your post before you deleted it. You should have kept it. It was a good post.

[Seven]

It is amazing how people assume things that are not facts. Why is it so hard to think the CL did this with no help at all? What happened in this coutry of innocent till proven gulity? If the LE thought Christina was involved do not you think she would be in custody by now? After all CL disappeared over a week ago.

And the same applies to Cesar ...... when he's tried.
Everyone involved in judging his guilt or innocence must
start with the assumption that he is innocent ........ same
w/her if and when she's tried for anything ......... If you think
back to the infamous crimes/trials in this country,
the public always comes down on one side or the other
before the verdict is in.

Something I can't get over, JDB ..... How do you explain xtina's silence from the time she came home friday night 12/14 to 1/10 (a full month) and seeing the "difference" in the walls, ceilings and garage of her home from the way they had looked when she went to the party hours before?

:confused:

[the original tez]

Once again if she feared for her life also . Put yourself in her shoes what would you do?

Run for my life. And not LIE for the POS!!!!

JDB, her story is falling apart. More than likely she's involved up to her eyeballs.

[Jolynna]

Run for my life. And not LIE for the POS!!!!

JDB, her story is falling apart. More than likely she's involved up to her eyeballs.

More than likely, you are right.

She is at least guilty of waiting to turn the info over to LE. Which is why I am sure she lawyered up and made a deal before she talked.

IF she is guilty of more, she, for sure, lawyered up and made a deal. Even Cesar explored the options of what might happen if he turned himself in. (according to the search warrant affidavit)

But, CL has taken the rap and said he was ALONE with Maria when she died. There is no evidence to prove otherwise.

Christina's parents say Christina was working on the night of the murder (said by CL to have happened Dec. 15). LE says Christina was at CL's work party on Dec. 14 (the night they say the murder happened). Christina has an alibi for both night.

I don't think it likely that Christina never saw any signs of Maria's murder. But, there isn't evidence she did. And CL who ADMITS to being there says he buried, cleaned up and watched the suicide all by himself.

[SeriouslySearching]

Christina by her own words does NOT have an alibi for the night of Dec. 14th. She stated she went home early evening, didn't she? If Maria was at the bus station WITH Cesar at 5:00pm...this puts Christina at home when LE believes the murder took place or very soon afterward. Certainly there was no time for him to cover it up, imo.

[Jolynna]

Christina by her own words does NOT have an alibi for the night of Dec. 14th. She stated she went home early evening, didn't she? If Maria was at the bus station WITH Cesar at 5:00pm...this puts Christina at home when LE believes the murder took place or very soon afterward. Certainly there was no time for him to cover it up, imo.

I don't think so either.

But, IF a deal was made, unless there is actual evidence of Christina's participation I don't think she will be more than a prosecution witness.

I am sure LE is aware of Christina's timeline. For some reason, they say she wasn't there when the murder happened. Maybe Christina stopped at the babysitters before she got home and hung around talking. I don't know... But, I do think since LE was aware of the timeline if/when they made a deal it will take some other evidence to implicate Christina.

There was just a breaking alert on Fox news that AMW had a really good tip and they may be close to getting CL. Possibly once CL is found things for Christina might change.

[SeriouslySearching]

After everything, those "good tips" could lead to zip like the sightings in Shreveport, LA. When they actually FIND him...it will be a "good tip"!!

[KR2tonenow]

Christina by her own words does NOT have an alibi for the night of Dec. 14th. She stated she went home early evening, didn't she? If Maria was at the bus station WITH Cesar at 5:00pm...this puts Christina at home when LE believes the murder took place or very soon afterward. Certainly there was no time for him to cover it up, imo.

That's right! The alibi for 12/14-1/10 remains a mystery.. Where was Xtina throughout all of this? What time did Xtina leave the Xmas party? Where was Xtina on 12/15? Why did she help paint the house in December? What about all the BBQing and firepit on Xmas and New Year's day?

What about tieing the dog out front and making your child play in the front yard after Maria was buried and BBQ'd?

[JDB]

I posted this on he other thread
Trying again.
I will admit Cl had help but ..... I do not think it is Christina. Lets say CL on the 14th called his brother and said I need your help. The women who accused me just commited sucide an I am sure if I tell the USMC they will think I did it. Christina is at theparty on base withe the daughter.Shep said Maria was killed in the garage and Maria was buried in the so called firepit about two and half feet deep and she was wrapped in something. Which would explain no smell since she was buried and wrapped that deep.The brother comes over and helps CL do what had to be done.They cover up the blood in the garage and run out of paint. Which explains the run to Lowes on the 16th. The car he could have told Christina he was watching it for a freind on leave for the holidays. And then goy his brother to follow him
Heck for all we know he could have lock the garage son Christina could not get in till it was cleaned up to some point

[Seven]

Christina by her own words does NOT have an alibi for the night of Dec. 14th. She stated she went home early evening, didn't she? If Maria was at the bus station WITH Cesar at 5:00pm...this puts Christina at home when LE believes the murder took place or very soon afterward. Certainly there was no time for him to cover it up, imo.

Shepard Smith (in his show today at 4pm PT) asked the question this way: We saw the pic of Maria at the ATM around 4:40 pm 12/14 ...... Christina came home from the party at 7:00 pm ....... So there were 2 hours Maria supposedly spent at Laurean's house before his wife got home. What did xtina see when she got home?

Good question! :D

[SuziQ]

Shepard Smith (in his show today at 4pm PT) asked the question this way: We saw the pic of Maria at the ATM around 4:40 pm 12/14 ...... Christina came home from the party at 7:00 pm ....... So there were 2 hours Maria supposedly spent at Laurean's house before his wife got home. What did xtina see when she got home?

Good question! :D

If you factor in the bus ticket purchase at 5pm, there's even less than two hours. I know have to ask, what time did Xtina go to the party? Did she go from home? Straight from work (wherever that was)? When Xtina went to the party was she there for a couple of hours. Or did she pop in for a quick minute and leave? Do her phone pings match her statements?

[Pharlap]

Shepard Smith (in his show today at 4pm PT) asked the question this way: We saw the pic of Maria at the ATM around 4:40 pm 12/14 ...... Christina came home from the party at 7:00 pm ....... So there were 2 hours Maria supposedly spent at Laurean's house before his wife got home. What did xtina see when she got home?

Good question! :D

When was the shovel borrowed?
I forgot or it wasn't posted.
Since hubby got off of work at 12, had a lot of time to dig the pit.

[Seven]

If you factor in the bus ticket purchase at 5pm, there's even less than two hours. I know have to ask, what time did Xtina go to the party? Did she go from home? Straight from work (wherever that was)? When Xtina went to the party was she there for a couple of hours. Or did she pop in for a quick minute and leave? Do her phone pings match her statements?

All good questions ~~ to which I have heard no answers! :)

[Seven]

When was the shovel borrowed?
I forgot or it wasn't posted.
Since hubby got off of work at 12, had a lot of time to dig the pit.

If you're saying he started digging before Maria arrived ~~ that's possible ........ we do know Maria didn't get there until after 5 pm.

The neighbor said he borrowed the shoved on 12/16 in "Speaking Out" @ http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/#



:behindbar

[FMRUSMC]

IMO, Christina is a co-conspirator. She had access to base as a USMCR. All vehicles entering a MC base have identification for the MP's at the entrance gate that are color coded letting them know if they are enlisted or an officer. Xtina had free access to Camp LeJeune to monitor the LCpl whereabouts.

[philamena]

oh great, guess that worked in her and pos's favor.
CL is definitely a co-conspirator.
I still say she should be charged with aiding and abetting and defiling a corpse.

[Tom'sGirl]

When was the shovel borrowed?
I forgot or it wasn't posted.
Since hubby got off of work at 12, had a lot of time to dig the pit.
Richard Alander the neighbor said around the 16th

[harleysnana]

I posted this on he other thread
Trying again.
I will admit Cl had help but ..... I do not think it is Christina. Lets say CL on the 14th called his brother and said I need your help. The women who accused me just commited sucide an I am sure if I tell the USMC they will think I did it. Christina is at theparty on base withe the daughter.Shep said Maria was killed in the garage and Maria was buried in the so called firepit about two and half feet deep and she was wrapped in something. Which would explain no smell since she was buried and wrapped that deep.The brother comes over and helps CL do what had to be done.They cover up the blood in the garage and run out of paint. Which explains the run to Lowes on the 16th. The car he could have told Christina he was watching it for a freind on leave for the holidays. And then goy his brother to follow him
Heck for all we know he could have lock the garage son Christina could not get in till it was cleaned up to some point


IMO there is more evidence pointing towards Christina being involved then his
brother... unless I have missed something?

[Vegas Bride]

What if Maria did not die right away? Could she have been attacked on the 14th and kept in the garage, then died the next day? I'm confused about the reports of blood in both the house and the garage.
Could Christina have tried to save her before it was to late?
Nothing about this case would really surprise me, never would I have thought someone could have a bbq with guests over with a body underneith it all along with your unborn child.
Did pos work the 15th?

VB

[soobs]

did anyone notice when the Sheriff was talking to Greta and she asked about Christina, he definitely doubted her innocence? Is there a transcript to read his exact words?

[Mygirlsadie]

Yes a transcript and pictures?! Maybe a video? I couldn't watch it here because in Germany our AFN doesn't show Greta..ughh!!




did anyone notice when the Sheriff was talking to Greta and she asked about Christina, he definitely doubted her innocence? Is there a transcript to read his exact words?

[Mygirlsadie]

I don't know if she could of been kept alive in the garage since they are saying that the first blow killed her. Of course that don't mean she died right away but they did say that the blows she took after the first blow were all just out of rage and considered to be over-kill...




What if Maria did not die right away? Could she have been attacked on the 14th and kept in the garage, then died the next day? I'm confused about the reports of blood in both the house and the garage.
Could Christina have tried to save her before it was to late?
Nothing about this case would really surprise me, never would I have thought someone could have a bbq with guests over with a body underneith it all along with your unborn child.
Did pos work the 15th?

VB

[Littledeer]

Has anyone ever had a gnawing thought that won't go away but you don't know what it is?

Well, I've had one for days now and I just realized what it was this morning.

This might have already been discussed or even might be considered trivial.

But, IIRC, the note supposedly left by Maria at the home she was renting from Durham and which Durham found when he got home, supposedly said, (this is not the exact quote but close enough)

"I could not take the Marines any longer."

If you are the writer, wouldn't you have written, "I can't take the Marines any longer?

Can't being in the present tense and could being in the past tense??

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...that is interesting, LD. Good catch! I hope we hear soon what the Handwriting experts come up with!

[Littledeer]

I'm hoping for ANYTHING!

Where is the autopsy report? If it's not sealed, isn't it a public record? I would think the handwriting results will be known soon. If not to the public, definately to the LE.

I'm not being greedy in wanting to know everything, STAT. :waitasec: Yes I am!

All I really want is CL back in the US and behind :behindbar

[Ticamom]

Good morning my Antler friend !

Yes, the wording on that note isn't very natural is it ? And if you think about it, leaving a note like that when your mom is coming down to visit you the next weekend is not very realistic either. Why subject your mom to the worry, let alone make her buy airfare for nothing cause you won't be there to greet her at the airport ? And if you are going to disappear, why leave many of your hard-earned belongings behind? And if you intend to go to El Paso forever, why not leave your house key on the table so Durham won't need to make a new copy of the key ?

So many questions that don't seem to have any logical answers, IMO: :waitasec:



Has anyone ever had a gnawing thought that won't go away but you don't know what it is?

Well, I've had one for days now and I just realized what it was this morning.

This might have already been discussed or even might be considered trivial.

But, IIRC, the note supposedly left by Maria at the home she was renting from Durham and which Durham found when he got home, supposedly said, (this is not the exact quote but close enough)

"I could not take the Marines any longer."

If you are the writer, wouldn't you have written, "I can't take the Marines any longer?

Can't being in the present tense and could being in the past tense??

[Littledeer]

Good Morning to you My Friend:

Hope you haven't had any itches laterly.

All those questions are exactly what makes this case so FRUSTRATING!!! :banghead:

And to have the "server being busy" is even more FRUSTRATING!!!!!! :bang:

[gardenmom]

Originally Posted by gardenmom
I knew I forgot something! Yes, he had his uniform on AND the sheriff said he went to work that morning and that he checked out early. Hmm, so what would have happened if Christina had found the note a little earlier and alerted the base command while he was still there? Lucky for him she slept in a little.

I am quoting myself because I was wondering if any of you knew about this? I think it is significant because it may show that Christina DID know that he had left BEFORE she "found" the note. Why would he have checked in that morning? He knew he was going AWOL, so why prolong it?

I brought this over from the other thread because I think this points to her lying about the note.

[Pharlap]

I brought this over from the other thread because I think this points to her lying about the note.

Wasn't it said the neighbor heard them arguing at 6:30 am that morning?:confused:
There's so much with this case, my brain is spinning...

[Vegas Bride]

Good morning my Antler friend !

Yes, the wording on that note isn't very natural is it ? And if you think about it, leaving a note like that when your mom is coming down to visit you the next weekend is not very realistic either. Why subject your mom to the worry, let alone make her buy airfare for nothing cause you won't be there to greet her at the airport ? And if you are going to disappear, why leave many of your hard-earned belongings behind? And if you intend to go to El Paso forever, why not leave your house key on the table so Durham won't need to make a new copy of the key ?

So many questions that don't seem to have any logical answers, IMO: :waitasec:

Also, if you were lucky enough to have 1 person help you out like Durham did by letting her move in with him. Wouldn't the thing to do be wait to tell him good bye in person and also thank him for what he did?
It's been years since I was in a room mate situation but the times that I was I made sure everything was taken care of as far as bills etc before moving. With 1 room mate we split the phone bill so any long distance calls I made I paid for Of course now with cell phones that wouldn't be such an issue. With another room mate, we split the utilities so I would be wanting to find out what my share was. I've never trusted this good bye note from the beginning, I wonder if they've gotten hand writting samples for pos and Christina?

VB

[STEADFAST]

Wasn't it said the neighbor heard them arguing at 6:30 am that morning?:confused:
There's so much with this case, my brain is spinning...

No, the neighbor heard them arguing the night before. She saw Laurean in his front yard at 6:30 am, and saw that his vehicle was gone at 8:00 am.

[Littledeer]

IIRC, CL told his his CO on the 10th, that he might need to see his attorney again on the 11th. He was told okay, but to call in. When he did not report for work nor call in, that is when he was put on UA.

Trying to clarify the confusion that he HAD GONE TO WORK on the 11th.

If he was at the attorney's on the 10th, then it would appear that CL's last day of reporting at work was on the 9th.

With all these dates, I think I'm going to spend the rest of today, making a new timelime with dates and everything that was said to have happened on that particular date from the Marines, NCIS, LE, neighbors etc. etc. etc.

[SeriouslySearching]

Why don't we make threads for them? Then we can include all of the different timelines presented and maybe figure out which ones are correct from there.

[SeriouslySearching]

Also, if you were lucky enough to have 1 person help you out like Durham did by letting her move in with him. Wouldn't the thing to do be wait to tell him good bye in person and also thank him for what he did?
It's been years since I was in a room mate situation but the times that I was I made sure everything was taken care of as far as bills etc before moving. With 1 room mate we split the phone bill so any long distance calls I made I paid for Of course now with cell phones that wouldn't be