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10EC_Dad
01-26-2008, 11:12 PM
Not necessarily. IF the blood on the pillow turns out to be her's, it would only indicate that she came into contact with that pillow. It would not exactly prove that she was on the couch. That pillow could have been moved there from some place else.

Perhaps you disagree for the sake of disagreement, however, your assesment that it was moved from another place does not seem logical. It just seems like a very high probability that the pillow was on the couch where she was sleeping.

I am afraid that the next clue will be her remains.

galvino
01-27-2008, 02:22 AM
You are right, Panthera-

I am just following through with alt. theory that she planned to take off & had help from KT or another friend who are covering for her. Since she did not live at KT's and was visiting them before going back to her college, she could have had either an overnite bag w/ stuff in it, or laundry/clothes in her car and retrieved stuff from there and it just appeared that she didn't have other clothes with her.

I just remember being in college, going out late w/friends and I think too that they came back to the house and may have partied even more

There is just a lot here that are 'things that make me go hmmmm!' and I just wonder!

swa
01-27-2008, 02:37 AM
I don't think Brianna left on her own accord. I belive this is a case of some party girls who weren't taking their safety seriously. Whether they were followed that night -- or whether the residence was being scoped out for some time, leaving doors unlocked, hitchhiking, out until 4AM . . .

Someone told me one time that nothing good happens after 1AM...

LookOut
01-27-2008, 03:43 AM
It seems when its a pretty young white girl the public is 100 times more concerned what happened, why is that? I wish all kidnapped humans can get the attention pretty girls do.

I think the boyfriend is a major suspect, he was dumped like her other boyfriends and he didn't take it as well as the others perhaps. He was in Reno Friday night and trash talking her on the text messages. Definitely should be questioned.

dimples37398
01-27-2008, 04:19 AM
Yeah the blood on the pillow, if it is hers, only tells us she came in contact with the pillow. On the interview with Greta though, Greta asked KT what color the pillow was, and KT says she don't know or remember.

I don't know about a teenager, but I can tell ya what color pillowcases are on all my pillows right now

Maybe the pillow was moved there from somewhere else?

close_enough
01-27-2008, 06:37 AM
I spoke to reno PD and the officer who answered was kind, respectful and receptive and would view the page immediately...Hooray to the RPD, sounds like they have good people working there.

thanks, INH:)
i'm not much in to that stuff, but i DO find it interesting...

close_enough
01-27-2008, 06:44 AM
It was posted On The Record, online at least anyway, that KT is the leaseholder. This was mentioned in a written statement by GVS after they got reemed for Mark Fuhrman's video/walkthrough of the house. Anyway, I was thinking that in addition to her not wanting her parents to know how wild the parting is that maybe she has a reason to play it down to the landlord/owners of the house. There may even be something in the lease about no big parties, a lot of private owners who lease houses add those kinds of clauses to the lease. Unfortunately, I haven't seen the other interviews to comment on them.

good point too!

close_enough
01-27-2008, 06:49 AM
Ok- I am just gonna throw this out there, not because I believe it to be true, but I just got to thinkin'.....

What if Bri PLANNED this, maybe KT knows and that is why it all seems so odd. What if Bri was upset, wanted to go away/get attn from boyfriend (I am thinking of the Audrey Sieler case) and she had extra clothes at the house (shoes, etc b/c she was visiting) and she told KT to report her missing. She may have not known it would get all of this attn, and that is why not everything is jiving, friends are not actively searching, the crying you see from KT is because she is really scared she will get caught lying for her friend because it got so much bigger than she thought and hopes Bri will see her on news and come home?

Any takers on this theory?

well, after Audrey Sieler, i guess it's possible.....but as upset as KT looked in the video i saw, i can't imagine her not cracking & spillin the beans by now...

close_enough
01-27-2008, 06:58 AM
It seems when its a pretty young white girl the public is 100 times more concerned what happened, why is that? I wish all kidnapped humans can get the attention pretty girls do.

I think the boyfriend is a major suspect, he was dumped like her other boyfriends and he didn't take it as well as the others perhaps. He was in Reno Friday night and trash talking her on the text messages. Definitely should be questioned.

i agree...when i heard he had been in Reno that night, i thought the same thing, but surely LE has questioned him!?....if he didn't have a tight alibi, wonder why LE is requesting the public's help?...it's obvious that they have no real leads to her whereabouts, so i must assume his alibi checked out.....very weird

10EC_Dad
01-27-2008, 09:28 AM
i agree...when i heard he had been in Reno that night, i thought the same thing, but surely LE has questioned him!?....if he didn't have a tight alibi, wonder why LE is requesting the public's help?...it's obvious that they have no real leads to her whereabouts, so i must assume his alibi checked out.....very weird

I'm sorry if it has already been posted, but does anyone have a source for the statement that the boyfriend was in Reno that night?

My understanding that he was in Oregon or Washington, I think.

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 10:12 AM
Sorry, Dad, no source but on day one Brianna's Aunt said he was in Reno and LE said no, he's in Oregon(?). For the past few days I have only read that he was not in town and has been cleared. Ex-bf was then who we focused on...and he was cleared, too.

Reannan
01-27-2008, 11:30 AM
Regarding the boyfriend who was currently breaking up with Brianna. I believe it was a rumor that he was in Reno that night. I do not know where the rumor originated. LE did verify that he was out of state (Oregon???) and cleared him. The article that stated this mentioned his cell phone had been veified as pinging from the out of state location - not there in Reno. I will see if I can find that article.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:49 AM
Since the morning Brianna Denison disappeared from her friend's Reno home one week ago today, the community and nation has been bombarded with images of the beautiful, smiling college student, while police and her family and friends have begged anyone with information about her disappearance to come forward.
But who is Brianna Denison? (more at link)
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/NEWS/801270353/1002

Reannan
01-27-2008, 11:51 AM
There is an article in the Reno Gazette Journal today about what kind of person Bri was. It is very intersting, and details some information about her father, who I had already heard was dead, but had never seen anthing about why and when he died. Here is a clip from the article and a link to the entire article:

http://tinyurl.com/2hk48x
"When Brianna was born, her parents, Jeff and Bridgette Denison, left the hospital and were whisked away into a waiting limousine. Inside, “What a Wonderful World” by Louis Armstrong was playing as the new parents doted on baby Brianna, who would later go by the nickname “Bri.”
About four years later, Brianna would become a big sister to her new baby brother, Brighton.
But then tragedy struck when Brianna was around 6 years old. Her father died.
“After my brother’s death, it was very hard. Brianna struggled for many years with that,” said her aunt, Lauren Denison. “But when she got ready to leave for college, she seemed to have blossomed in a way I hadn’t seen before. She had finally seemed to work through it.”
Family members declined to discuss further details about his death."

Taximom
01-27-2008, 11:53 AM
I hope the answer to this mystery isn't right under our noses and everyone is just missing it, much like with what happened to Jessica Lunsford w/John Couey....

Reannan
01-27-2008, 12:07 PM
Gosh, SuziQ; we did it again!! I bet we were reading the article at the same time. What did you think about it??? I guess I am still hoping against all hope that Brianna just up and left. From the article, she did have the ability to be animated and dramatic (like myself and my own daughters). She had travelled a lot, and loved to do so. She had struggled greatly with the death of her father, and had received counseling when she was little to help cope - which is why she was majoring in psychology in college. I always found it interesting from a psychology point of view when she disappeared. Here are the points that I found interesting:

1. She was home from her first year at college for an event that she loved and probably made her feel glad to be back at home. Many college students initially struggle with being away from home for the first time.

2. It was the night before she was supposed to return back to college in another state. How did she feel about returning???

3. She was arguing with her boyfriend and in the process of breaking up with him.

When you add up being home for a familiar event, facing departure back to reality, the stress of breaking up with boyfriend, I see a great recipe for someone to just say "I've had it", and head out for the beach. I don't think she would have done so by herself, however. Did we ever hear anything about the guy with long brown hair who came with her to some other guy's apartment about 3:00 am to retrieve a sweater she had left there???

paddy01
01-27-2008, 12:24 PM
After reading the links posted by SuzieQ & Reannan, there is no way I believe Brianna took off on her own, like some have speculated. It seems Brianna was living a wonderful life, after working through her fathers death. It's true, some photos we've seen make her look like a party girl, I say big deal she's young. I just wish all of girls would have used better judgment that night. I feel so sorry for her family.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 12:31 PM
Gosh, SuziQ; we did it again!! I bet we were reading the article at the same time. What did you think about it??? I guess I am still hoping against all hope that Brianna just up and left. From the article, she did have the ability to be animated and dramatic (like myself and my own daughters). She had travelled a lot, and loved to do so. She had struggled greatly with the death of her father, and had received counseling when she was little to help cope - which is why she was majoring in psychology in college. I always found it interesting from a psychology point of view when she disappeared. Here are the points that I found interesting:

1. She was home from her first year at college for an event that she loved and probably made her feel glad to be back at home. Many college students initially struggle with being away from home for the first time.

2. It was the night before she was supposed to return back to college in another state. How did she feel about returning???

3. She was arguing with her boyfriend and in the process of breaking up with him.

When you add up being home for a familiar event, facing departure back to reality, the stress of breaking up with boyfriend, I see a great recipe for someone to just say "I've had it", and head out for the beach. I don't think she would have done so by herself, however. Did we ever hear anything about the guy with long brown hair who came with her to some other guy's apartment about 3:00 am to retrieve a sweater she had left there???

Hi Reannan, I ask the same question yesterday about the guy with the long brown hair. Jason Dorfman was person who informed LE about Brianna being with guy the night she went missing. It was Jason's room that Brianna left sweater earlier. Jason was hoping that LE would check out casino cameras. I have heard nothing about this lead since it was posted that's why I asked. Go back a few pages check out Jason's statement, it was posted by dimples. I'm so curious about this.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 12:39 PM
Reannan, we sure did it again! I'm not feeling the voluntary disappearance. Usually in cases like that, the missing person shows up in a short amount of time. They run out of resources and money and frankly, I think they realize that life on the run is not what it's cracked up to be. That their problems are simply not as bad as the new life they created for themselves. I think if Brianna was able to come forward, she would have by now. It's cold out, she doesn't even have her vehicle to sleep or get around in. She has no money. And apparetnly little clothing and no shoes and a 2 ft tall teddy bear. Hunger and the cold would have made her come forward by now.

I hate pointing fingers at family and friends of a victim in cases like this. But they truly are the most likely of suspects. Then throw in that the last person to see someone alive is a most likely suspect. That narrows down the suspect list greatly. A random crime is possible, but the least likely of scenarios. I think someone who knew Brianna is responsible. I don't have a good grasp as to who that is. Is it someone she met once? Or someone she knew well?

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 01:30 PM
Any way to email Jason Dorfman or comment on his myspace(or whatever one does there!). He would be interesting to talk to.

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 02:09 PM
The girls were out most of the night. Did they leave the door unlocked while they were gone? Could someone have been in one of the other roomates' rooms hiding until later? The dog wouldn't have been as inclined to have barked if the person was already in the house.

The person could also have been associated with the roomies that were not at the house that night, but aware of the fact they did not lock the doors.

This Jason person's post doesn't seem legit to me for some reason. If the police had such proof she was seen with a mystery man at 3:00am and other people saw him...there would be a sketch done and they would have him termed already as a POI. For starters, Jason himself would become a POI and LE would be looking carefully at his story...if he is saying all of this stuff.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 02:30 PM
The girls were out most of the night. Did they leave the door unlocked while they were gone? Could someone have been in one of the other roomates' rooms hiding until later? The dog wouldn't have been as inclined to have barked if the person was already in the house.

The person could also have been associated with the roomies that were not at the house that night, but aware of the fact they did not lock the doors.

This Jason person's post doesn't seem legit to me for some reason. If the police had such proof she was seen with a mystery man at 3:00am and other people saw him...there would be a sketch done and they would have him termed already as a POI. For starters, Jason himself would become a POI and LE would be looking carefully at his story...if he is saying all of this stuff.

Wow, that's a very good point about someone already being in the house when the girls got home & hiding, really creeps me out! Front door was never locked it was a "Common area" to quote K.T. ITA with you on Jason person, to big of lead to be swept under rug, somethings not right about his story.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 02:51 PM
Good grief, does anyone know what Ian looks like? What if "Ian" is the guy that went to Jasons room with Brianna to pick up her sweater. Jason is a friend of Brianna's from college, he's from Santa Barbara, CA. K.T. stated that it was Ian who drove her & Brianna home, so maybe that's why LE hasn't put out a composite of this "Mysterious guy", because it's Ian. Any thoughts?

panthera
01-27-2008, 03:06 PM
I don't think Brianna left on her own accord. I belive this is a case of some party girls who weren't taking their safety seriously. Whether they were followed that night -- or whether the residence was being scoped out for some time, leaving doors unlocked, hitchhiking, out until 4AM . . .

Someone told me one time that nothing good happens after 1AM...
I don't think she ran off either. Too much drinking could've led to alcohol poisoning but it does seem more likely with the scenario of the unlocked door and her being right there next to it with no blinds on the door or window that someone abducted her. I think it's Nancy who always says nothing good happens after midnight. :)

paddy01
01-27-2008, 03:35 PM
I don't think she ran off either. Too much drinking could've led to alcohol poisoning but it does seem more likely with the scenario of the unlocked door and her being right there next to it with no blinds on the door or window that someone abducted her. I think it's Nancy who always says nothing good happens after midnight. :)

I'm not sure about alcohol poisoning. IMO, a person with that level of alcohol in their system, enough to make them pass out or possibly die, how on earth was she able to text message bf? I believe last text to bf was 4:14? I could be wrong about time. I'm still going with she was abducted theory, kind of hope I'm wrong.

NoKoolaidKid
01-27-2008, 03:35 PM
I find it "odd" that her family tells her to "stay healthy" in their pleas.
Stay Healthy? Like...eat your vegetables?

I'm beginning to think she has run away....with help....and her friends know it and that's why they don't seem all that upset. JMO

paddy01
01-27-2008, 03:47 PM
I find it "odd" that her family tells her to "stay healthy" in their pleas.
Stay Healthy? Like...eat your vegetables?

I'm beginning to think she has run away....with help....and her friends know it and that's why they don't seem all that upset. JMO

IMO, her family is telling her do whatever she has to do to stay alive.

panthera
01-27-2008, 03:49 PM
I'm not sure about alcohol poisoning. IMO, a person with that level of alcohol in their system, enough to make them pass out or possibly die, how on earth was she able to text message bf? I believe last text to bf was 4:14? I could be wrong about time. I'm still going with she was abducted theory, kind of hope I'm wrong.
I kind of discounted that theory too since she was awake around 4:20-4:30am to text message b/f. If she was abducted from there I'd think whoever did it must not have been the first time, in order to get her out of the house without leaving evidence or her not screaming.

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 04:29 PM
I think under those circumstances...it could have been someone pulling an abduction the first time tho. This wasn't planned out in any great fashion, imo. They just got lucky no one saw or heard anything.

panthera
01-27-2008, 04:41 PM
Very lucky and/or knew the door was unlocked and how easy it would be.

bigbuck
01-27-2008, 05:17 PM
Even easier if there was more than one perp. I would think two men could have whisked her out of there very quickly and quietly.

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 05:23 PM
Interesting theory. I had not thought about it being more than one person involved.

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 05:26 PM
I noticed a wooded area near the girls' house (across the street). Surely, they searched it well. They did make a thorough search of the house, Right?!

The girl they found down in the crawl space comes to mind in this case. She was right there and it was the reason the dogs never tracked anywhere other than the apartment building, imo. Yet...LE overlooked her in the initial searches.

bigbuck
01-27-2008, 05:30 PM
Extra hands might explain why they took the bear also. As for searching the house well. I certainly hope so!

paddy01
01-27-2008, 05:34 PM
I noticed a wooded area near the girls' house (across the street). Surely, they searched it well. They did make a thorough search of the house, Right?!

The girl they found down in the crawl space comes to mind in this case. She was right there and it was the reason the dogs never tracked anywhere other than the apartment building, imo. Yet...LE overlooked her in the initial searches.

SS, Oh, what a horrible thought that she could be there all along. Can you remember the name of the girl that you're referring too? How long ago was that? I sort of remember something about that case.

bigbuck
01-27-2008, 05:39 PM
It was right around Christmas that they found Leah Hickman in a crawl space at Marshall in WV.

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 05:44 PM
Thanks, BB. The name slipped me at that moment! Yes, Leah Hickman. Bless her heart.

bigbuck
01-27-2008, 05:57 PM
Your welcome SS, even though I don't post much I'm always reading this board. I really enjoy your insights and all that you bring to WS.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 06:09 PM
:doh: Good grief, of course I remember who she is, I guess my mind is on over load. Thanks for refreshing it.

bigbuck
01-27-2008, 06:38 PM
Interesting theory. I had not thought about it being more than one person involved.


Wasn't there a case down south this summer where two guys pulled a teenage girl from her bed thru her window and, threw her in a car trunk while her family all slept? One covered her mouth while the other helped pull her out. Nobody heard anything and the poor kid was found wandering miles away. Anyway when I read about Brianna it was the first thing I thought of.

panthera
01-27-2008, 07:05 PM
Interesting theory. I had not thought about it being more than one person involved.
That would make a lot of sense here and explain how the teddy bear got out of the house too. Do we yet know if the door was left unlocked while the girls were out that night? I'm just wondering if someone could've been in the house all the time, or is it big enough for someone(s) to hide in?

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 07:12 PM
I asked if KT left her bedroom door unlocked for Jessica and was told, "YES."

We can guess that the front door was unlocked since that was the norm, but I don't know for sure.

Easily someone(s) could hide upstairs or down.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 07:44 PM
Absolutely nothing, I've looked at every news station. You would think that since FBI are involved, plus local LE and family has hired 2 private investigators, somebody would find something! I'm getting really nervous.

LillyRush
01-27-2008, 07:51 PM
This is crazy. When I heard that they "always" left the door open, for some reason I thought they meant that they would leave it unlocked as long as they were home so that they wouldn't have to keep going to the door to let people in. But really it is literally unlocked all of the time, even when other roommates go out of town?!? You know when I was in college I would sometimes accidentally leave my keys in the door or had crazy careless roommates, but this is really odd that they had no concern and remained oblivious to the crimes that had already happened to other people in that very same neighborhood.

They weren't even worried about any of their belongings in the kitchen and living room areas being stolen or vandalized? In Mark Fuhrman's video it looks like a very nice place, they even had a full size washer and dryer laundry room. That is lovely that they locked their individual doors, but it is beyond me how they didn't realize that something else could happen in another area of the house. They treated this house like it was a dorm, everyone was only responsible for protecting their own individual room. Why even rent a house then?

I agree with someone else who said that this completely opens up the possibility now that someone was already waiting in that house, especially someone who may have seen the male roommates packed their cars and leave earlier. It could even be an acquaintance of the male roommate(s), he would know about the door lock situation and maybe even know whether KT slept through noise.

panthera
01-27-2008, 08:18 PM
I agree with someone else who said that this completely opens up the possibility now that someone was already waiting in that house, especially someone who may have seen the male roommates packed their cars and leave earlier. It could even be an acquaintance of the male roommate(s), he would know about the door lock situation and maybe even know whether KT slept through noise.
First of all, I love your nic and Cold Case is one of my favorites! :) Good point about the 2 male roommates being gone and someone could've used this as the perfect opportunity. I just can't imagine all those glass doors and no blinds covering them, and doors left unlocked.

NoKoolaidKid
01-27-2008, 08:20 PM
IMO, her family is telling her do whatever she has to do to stay alive.

I understand and agree. Just seemed like an odd way to say it, but that's just me.

close_enough
01-27-2008, 08:21 PM
I'm sorry if it has already been posted, but does anyone have a source for the statement that the boyfriend was in Reno that night?

My understanding that he was in Oregon or Washington, I think.

i looked back to see if i could figure out where i heard this....it was her Aunt, but now i see from teacherBonnie that the aunt must have been wrong, & that LE says he wasn't in Reno, & has been cleared....

since boyfriends have been cleared, i'm at a loss.....seems LE is too...

close_enough
01-27-2008, 08:24 PM
I understand and agree. Just seemed like an odd way to say it, but that's just me.

i agree, i find it an odd thing to say also.....i guess, since they're under a lot of stress, it's possible it just come out that way....

paddy01
01-27-2008, 08:25 PM
I understand and agree. Just seemed like an odd way to say it, but that's just me.

At first I thought it was odd also, than I realized what was going on. MY bulb doesn't burn quite as bright anymore! :laugh:

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 08:41 PM
Evidence obtained from the scene of Brianna Denison’s disappearance included DNA genetic samples. After analysis by the Washoe County Crime Lab, a positive link has been established between this case and a Kidnap and Sexual Assault case that occurred at a nearby residence on December 16, 2007 @ 2:05 a.m. The victim in the December case was also the victim of a recent (1/19/08) attempted burglary at her residence in the 1400 block of N. Virginia St. On November 13, 2007 shortly after 5:00 p.m., an unknown suspect sexually attacked a UNR student who was walking to her home in the neighborhood. That case is also being investigated as being possibly connected to those already mentioned. (more at link)
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html

panthera
01-27-2008, 08:43 PM
The Reno Police Department and the FBI are continuing to investigate the disappearance of Brianna Denison and the following information is being provided as part of a request for additional assistance:

Evidence obtained from the scene of Brianna Denison’s disappearance included DNA genetic samples. After analysis by the Washoe County Crime Lab, a positive link has been established between this case and a Kidnap and Sexual Assault case that occurred at a nearby residence on December 16, 2007 @ 2:05 a.m. The victim in the December case was also the victim of a recent (1/19/08) attempted burglary at her residence in the 1400 block of N. Virginia St. On November 13, 2007 shortly after 5:00 p.m., an unknown suspect sexually attacked a UNR student who was walking to her home in the neighborhood. That case is also being investigated as being possibly connected to those already mentioned.

Additionally, detectives have learned of new information relative to these three mentioned cases which is being distributed to the public. This information is relative to a possible suspect vehicle and a suspect description which are as follows:

Suspect vehicle: Extended cab pick-up truck or SUV, dome light above the windshield, tall enough that it requires a step up to gain entry, floor-mounted console that was described as “fairly skinny” that opens in front, blue and red LED read-out on the radio, cloth seats, automatic transmission. There was a baby shoe on the front seat floor board. There were 8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.
Suspect: White male, approximately 28 - 40 years, long face with a square chin, taller than 5’6” but not excessively so, very strong but not with a significantly muscular build, a belly that was described as not excessively large and firm but not flabby, an “innie” belly button, a light covering of hair on his arms, no jewelry or a watch, facial hair about a quarter to a half an inch long below his chin and was soft and not prickly as stubble normally is, unknown if he had a mustache, brown head hair of undetermined style, normal speech with no accent or regional dialect, no smoker’s breath, no alcohol, no bad breath, no cologne or after-shave.
Suspect clothing at the time of the Kidnap/Sexual assault: red (not maroon) short sleeve shirt described as being made of material similar in feel to a Fubu jersey-type shirt (silk/rayon/polyester type) with a medium blue-colored neckline, short printed (possibly embroidered) word on the upper left breast area, another shirt underneath with wrist-length sleeves, unknown color pants – regular length – not jeans. The pants reminded the victim of basketball pants as the material was smooth but they made no noise when he moved and they had an elastic waist band and no zipper.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html

LillyRush
01-27-2008, 08:52 PM
First of all, I love your nic and Cold Case is one of my favorites! :) Good point about the 2 male roommates being gone and someone could've used this as the perfect opportunity. I just can't imagine all those glass doors and no blinds covering them, and doors left unlocked.

Thanks, I love that show too. Although, I've missed the last season or two.

I hope that the police are speaking to friends and acquaintances of the male roommates and not just people associated with the girls. I agree with you about the lack of blinds or anything on the glass doors. It's probably nice to have sunlight streaming in like that, but at night that's just too much exposure.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 08:53 PM
Lol, Panthera. You and I cross posted. The description is pretty specific isn't it? I hope that leads to a quick arrest.

LillyRush
01-27-2008, 08:54 PM
i agree, i find it an odd thing to say also.....i guess, since they're under a lot of stress, it's possible it just come out that way....

It does sound odd. But my first thought was that maybe it was just too scary to say, "stay alive!" So, they just blurted out something that sounded more positive.

philamena
01-27-2008, 08:55 PM
I hope the answer to this mystery isn't right under our noses and everyone is just missing it, much like with what happened to Jessica Lunsford w/John Couey....
:eek:

LillyRush
01-27-2008, 08:55 PM
Thanks for the update Suzie and Panthera. I guess they are pretty close on someone's trail after all.

KansasCutie
01-27-2008, 08:57 PM
Dang...that was such a detailed description!

panthera
01-27-2008, 08:58 PM
Lol, Panthera. You and I cross posted. The description is pretty specific isn't it? I hope that leads to a quick arrest.
I struggled to get that posted too. My black cat was sitting on the desk almost on top of my mouse. :) It sounds like he was wearing some type of athletic outfit at the time of the assault. Now it seems we know too whose blood was left on the pillow! FNC just reported the update too.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 09:03 PM
I struggled to get that posted too. My black cat was sitting on the desk almost on top of my mouse. :) It sounds like he was wearing some type of athletic outfit at the time of the assault. Now it seems we know too whose blood was left on the pillow! FNC just reported the update too.

I wonder what and where his DNA came from? The only thing we are missing is a license plate number. Seriously, someone has to know who this guy is. I thought the below quote was very interesting.

People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing this type of crime and he may not necessary have a violent criminal history.

close_enough
01-27-2008, 09:10 PM
Evidence obtained from the scene of Brianna Denison’s disappearance included DNA genetic samples. After analysis by the Washoe County Crime Lab, a positive link has been established between this case and a Kidnap and Sexual Assault case that occurred at a nearby residence on December 16, 2007 @ 2:05 a.m. The victim in the December case was also the victim of a recent (1/19/08) attempted burglary at her residence in the 1400 block of N. Virginia St. On November 13, 2007 shortly after 5:00 p.m., an unknown suspect sexually attacked a UNR student who was walking to her home in the neighborhood. That case is also being investigated as being possibly connected to those already mentioned. (more at link)
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html

OK, we're getting somewhere now!...gosh, would be great is she were alive, but i fear the worst..

great descriptions of the vehicle, inside the vehicle & of the suspect driving the vehicle!!!

panthera
01-27-2008, 09:12 PM
I wonder what and where his DNA came from? The only thing we are missing is a license plate number. Seriously, someone has to know who this guy is. I thought the below quote was very interesting.

People who know the suspect may not believe that he is capable of committing this type of crime and he may not necessary have a violent criminal history.
Maybe Brianna bit his arm? What I found disturbing too is that it seems he has a small child!

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 09:15 PM
Read it fast, was so glad to see new news! Sooooo...perp left DNA at KT'S and it matches with DNA from the assault victim? This is the victim that LE told us just couldn't be connected??? He did escalate then.

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 09:20 PM
How close is 1400 block of N. Virginia to KT's?

panthera
01-27-2008, 09:24 PM
How close is 1400 block of N. Virginia to KT's?
Google maps says 0.3 mi.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 09:36 PM
Maybe Brianna bit his arm? What I found disturbing too is that it seems he has a small child!

That's very disturbing. Interesting that the first victim had an attempted burglary hours before Brianna was taken. He's very bold.

kelly london
01-27-2008, 09:40 PM
i am really confused. i thought brianna was asleep on the couch with a dog sleeping near her in the room - why didn't that dog bark? how did her purse and cellphone get there if she hadn't been there?

panthera
01-27-2008, 09:43 PM
That's very disturbing. Interesting that the first victim had an attempted burglary hours before Brianna was taken. He's very bold.
I went back and reread the article we posted and it does say that it was Brianna's blood on the pillow, so my mistake there thinking maybe she bit him. I'll agree he seems quite bold.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 09:44 PM
i am really confused. i thought brianna was asleep on the couch with a dog sleeping near her in the room - why didn't that dog bark? how did her purse and cellphone get there if she hadn't been there?

It appears that Brianna was abducted from the front room as originally thought, leaving her items behind.

panthera
01-27-2008, 09:45 PM
i am really confused. i thought brianna was asleep on the couch with a dog sleeping near her in the room - why didn't that dog bark? how did her purse and cellphone get there if she hadn't been there?
I think the dog was in KT's bedroom. Maybe the dog got used to people coming in and out the front door and wouldn't be alarmed.

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 09:46 PM
Dog was sleeping in another room.

She WAS there and all belongings were left there.

Maybe the perp really knew that neighborhood well...including watching the male roommates pack up for the weekend.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 09:54 PM
Dog was sleeping in another room.

She WAS there and all belongings were left there.

Maybe the perp really knew that neighborhood well...including watching the male roommates pack up for the weekend.

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right about him watching, it's quite possible that he's had his eye on the house for awhile. For all we know he might be a friend of one of the male roommates. JMO

panthera
01-27-2008, 09:55 PM
I also noticed a change in time of the Dec. 16 assault to 2:05am. I think the earlier reports were closer to 6am. So it seems this guy is free to roam around at various early morning hours.

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 10:03 PM
Good point about his freedom to roam.

So it IS Bri's blood and where do you think they found his DNA?

panthera
01-27-2008, 10:08 PM
Good point about his freedom to roam.

So it IS Bri's blood and where do you think they found his DNA?
Since the article says they're investigating Kidnap & Sexual Assault, I'd think it's either saliva or semen.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 10:10 PM
I also noticed a change in time of the Dec. 16 assault to 2:05am. I think the earlier reports were closer to 6am. So it seems this guy is free to roam around at various early morning hours.

In article you posted it states on November 13, shortly after 5:00 pm unknown suspect sexually attacked a UNR student who was walking to her home in the neighborhood. If it is same suspect, JMO, he's an opportunist, he strikes when it's convenient for him.

panthera
01-27-2008, 10:21 PM
In article you posted it states on November 13, shortly after 5:00 pm unknown suspect sexually attacked a UNR student who was walking to her home in the neighborhood. JMO, he's an opportunist, he strikes when it's convenient for him.
If it's the same person in the Nov. 13 assault, yes the time of day isn't consistent.

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 10:31 PM
So one time he groped a victim and she got loose(?), next time he kidnapped and raped, and at some point he kidnaps Bri.

For those of you who know, is all that progression in 3 months common? Could we still be hopeful that he has Bri somewhere? My only negative thought to that is...the baby shoe...he probably has to be home somewhere each day and might not have a place to keep her.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 10:39 PM
So one time he groped a victim and she got loose(?), next time he kidnapped and raped, and at some point he kidnaps Bri.

For those of you who know, is all that progression in 3 months common? Could we still be hopeful that he has Bri somewhere? My only negative thought to that is...the baby shoe...he probably has to be home somewhere each day and might not have a place to keep her.

My husband suggested (this really shook me up) if he's keeping her LE should look for one of those self-storage places nearby. Husband theory, if there's a baby shoe there's a wife/girlfriend so wouldn't take Brianna to his residence.

teacherbonnie
01-27-2008, 11:03 PM
Hmmmmm. Wasn't that baby shoe on the floor in the front passenger seat?

Babies belong in the back seat.......just odd, can't think of it meaning anything important.

Gosh, Bri must have been in that car. Could she have left a message like Denise Amber Lee? I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for Bri.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:09 PM
Gosh, Bri must have been in that car. Could she have left a message like Denise Amber Lee? I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for Bri.

I'm sure the description is from the previous assault/kidnap victim.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:12 PM
He said the victim of the earlier case was interviewed again after the match was made and a more detailed description of the suspect was developed.
That victim, a UNR student, was kidnapped outside her home on Dec. 16 and sexually assaulted. She also was the victim of a Jan. 19 attempted burglary at her home that may be connected to the same suspect, Holladay said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325888,00.html

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 11:24 PM
SEE! LE kept saying there was NO connection! BS! It makes me so mad when they make those blanket statements like that before they find the link and try to put it together!

OK It does sound like it was simply done because of opportunity and this was a stranger abduction. I don't think they will find her alive myself. He already left one of those and until now...probably didn't realize she had given such a detailed description to LE or that they had his DNA. Maybe the attempted break-in was to get rid of her, too.

panthera
01-27-2008, 11:26 PM
My husband suggested (this really shook me up) if he's keeping her LE should look for one of those self-storage places nearby. Husband theory, if there's a baby shoe there's a wife/girlfriend so wouldn't take Brianna to his residence.
I'm wondering why he took Brianna at all, if he had enough time inside the house to leave DNA (assuming its from a sexual assault). Sadly this makes me think something very bad happened while he was in there and he didn't want to leave her body behind. :(

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:31 PM
He did take a previous victim. That's how they got the description of inside his vehicle. For whatever reason, he didn't bring Brianna back. I wonder where and how the other victim got away or was dropped off?

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 11:33 PM
Yes, I corrected what I wrote. I didn't read the article all the way thru before.

So...have they said where he assaulted the other girl and where he left her?!

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:35 PM
Yes, I corrected what I wrote. I didn't read the article all the way thru before.

So...have they said where he assaulted the other girl and where he left her?!

Not that I have seen. That would be a huge clue in itself.

panthera
01-27-2008, 11:38 PM
He did take a previous victim. That's how they got the description of inside his vehicle. For whatever reason, he didn't bring Brianna back. I wonder where and how the other victim got away or was dropped off?
Yes and that has me wondering whether he's escalated into murder now, something went horribly wrong during the kidnapping/assault or she's being held somewhere.

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 11:39 PM
OK so you guys figure he is a father because of the baby shoe, Right? What do the typewritten pages tell us? Could be a student in his family or himself? Could be from his job?

paddy01
01-27-2008, 11:42 PM
Just an update on this case, I asked Brian Ladd to do a remote viewing on Brianna, and I sent the link via email to Reno PD and also to someone that is working on her case ( I assume she is a friend of Brianna) I will update you when I have more info
here is the link
http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm

Panthera, in this link Brian says in his viewing about Brianna, he saw a container and the #25, around an airport. That is what my husband is referring to when he said LE needs to look for storage unit, that would be a good place to keep container. I think I'm not going to discuss anymore of this with hubby,LOL
I think you're right why he had to take her, makes me want to cry.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:45 PM
I'm thinking he works a nightshift or an on call job that allows him the freedom to roam around without raising suspicion of a spouse or GF.

panthera
01-27-2008, 11:47 PM
Panthera, in this link Brian says in his viewing about Brianna, he saw a container and the #25, around an airport. That is what my husband is referring to when he said LE needs to look for storage unit, that would be a good place to keep container. I think I'm not going to discuss anymore of this with hubby,LOL
I think you're right why he had to take her, makes me want to cry.
Oh, thanks! I'd missed that post with the link to Brian's viewing. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could have her in a place like that ~ it's happened before. I just hope with the new information that's been released today that someone turns him in to LE.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:48 PM
The November attack was at 5:40pm and the victim was walking. He could have been trolling at that time of day, I think he was just driving by. I think he has a reason to be in the area. Opportunity and not planned.

panthera
01-27-2008, 11:50 PM
I'm thinking he works a nightshift or an on call job that allows him the freedom to roam around without raising suspicion of a spouse or GF.
Further down in the article (past what I posted here) is the full timeline of the assaults:

For reference, the three crimes in question occurred on the following dates and times:
November 13, 2007 – 5:40 p.m., December 16, 2007 – 2:00 a.m., January 19, 2008 4:00 a.m., and January 20, 2008 – 4:30 a.m.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html


So they're all in the same timeframe except the first one. He could work a swingshift and get off work around midnight. Most people who do stay up a few hours after getting off work.

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:53 PM
Panthera, I think the first one was so different because he just happened to see the victim and reacted. I think he was in the area to begin with. Lives/works in the area.

paddy01
01-27-2008, 11:56 PM
I'm thinking he works a nightshift or an on call job that allows him the freedom to roam around without raising suspicion of a spouse or GF.

I was thinking maybe he works at one of the casino's 6pm to 2am shift.
Actually I've thought of every job including delivery of newspapers, I think I'm losing it.

panthera
01-27-2008, 11:57 PM
Panthera, I think the first one was so different because he just happened to see the victim and reacted. I think he was in the area to begin with. Lives/works in the area.
I agree with you. Then he gets more bold as more crimes occur. I'm still wondering if he's one of the many registered SO? Do they have DNA in a databank?

SuziQ
01-27-2008, 11:57 PM
I don't have a link, and details were sparse regarding the first two attacks. But it was mentioned by Mark F, that one of the victims had been choked to unconciousness. I wonder if she was left for dead somewhere and that's how she got away. He may not have been escalating.

panthera
01-27-2008, 11:59 PM
I was thinking maybe he works at one of the casino's 6pm to 2am shift.
Actually I've thought of every job including delivery of newspapers, I think I'm losing it.
We're both losing it then because I was thinking the same thing about the newspapers but discounted that after the victims description of the truck ~ no newspapers. :)

panthera
01-28-2008, 12:01 AM
I don't have a link, and details were sparse regarding the first two attacks. But it was mentioned by Mark F, that one of the victims had been choked to unconciousness. I wonder if she was left for dead somewhere and that's how she got away. He may not have been escalating.
I remember that too but don't know the details how she got away. Unfortunately with Brianna I think that might be exactly what did happen ~ choked to unconsciousness and she did die, maybe in part due to her petite size and intoxication?

paddy01
01-28-2008, 12:05 AM
Okay, my hubby once again is adding his :twocents: he says the creep is probably a cab driver. Guy drops the girls off then he knows where they live, comes back later and assaults them. My husband is starting to scare me with all his theories. :eek:

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 12:06 AM
Well the Nevada sex offender search site isn't very user friendly, IMO. And good lord, the map at Family watchdog is so dotted with dots you'd have a hell of a time remembering which one you just clicked on.

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 12:07 AM
Okay, my hubby once again is adding his :twocents: he says the creep is probably a cab driver. Guy drops the girls off then he knows where they live, comes back later and assaults them. My husband is starting to scare me with all his theories. :eek:

If you didn't know him you'd be scared of him? lol. He's got some great theories.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:08 AM
Suspect clothing at the time of the Kidnap/Sexual assault: red (not maroon) short sleeve shirt described as being made of material similar in feel to a Fubu jersey-type shirt (silk/rayon/polyester type) with a medium blue-colored neckline, short printed (possibly embroidered) word on the upper left breast area, another shirt underneath with wrist-length sleeves, unknown color pants – regular length – not jeans. The pants reminded the victim of basketball pants as the material was smooth but they made no noise when he moved and they had an elastic waist band and no zipper.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html

This doesn't seem like normal work attire. If he worked nights...what kind of work would a person do to be able to dress so casual and he also has that patch of hair an inch under his chin. So would be a place that didn't care about his appearance.

paddy01
01-28-2008, 12:10 AM
Suspect clothing at the time of the Kidnap/Sexual assault: red (not maroon) short sleeve shirt described as being made of material similar in feel to a Fubu jersey-type shirt (silk/rayon/polyester type) with a medium blue-colored neckline, short printed (possibly embroidered) word on the upper left breast area, another shirt underneath with wrist-length sleeves, unknown color pants – regular length – not jeans. The pants reminded the victim of basketball pants as the material was smooth but they made no noise when he moved and they had an elastic waist band and no zipper.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html

This doesn't seem like normal work attire. If he worked nights...what kind of work would a person do to be able to dress so casual and he also has that patch of hair an inch under his chin. So would be a place that didn't care about his appearance.

Cab driver just like my husband (the scary thinking man) said.

panthera
01-28-2008, 12:11 AM
Well the Nevada sex offender search site isn't very user friendly, IMO. And good lord, the map at Family watchdog is so dotted with dots you'd have a hell of a time remembering which one you just clicked on.
I can imagine and it seemed like a lot of SO that needed to be looked at. His DNA might not even be on file yet because he hasn't been convicted but he seems to fit the pattern of a serial predator just by looking at the dates they're about a month apart.

panthera
01-28-2008, 12:14 AM
<snipped>

This doesn't seem like normal work attire. If he worked nights...what kind of work would a person do to be able to dress so casual and he also has that patch of hair an inch under his chin. So would be a place that didn't care about his appearance.
If he works in a casino for example he'd change clothes after he ends his shift. Maybe even have a locker there with clothes in it. The only thing I'm not sure about is the unkempt "goatee" or whatever it is.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:14 AM
Reno, Nevada High School colors are Medium blue and red. It is located at 395 Booth Street, Reno NV.
http://www.renoalumni.com/

This would be consistent with the jersey he had on.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:15 AM
A coach maybe?! Teacher?!

Do we have the address where Brianna went missing?

panthera
01-28-2008, 12:18 AM
Reno, Nevada High School colors are Medium blue and red. It is located at 395 Booth Street, Reno NV.
http://www.renoalumni.com/

This would be consistent with the jersey he had on.
Good sleuthing!! :blowkiss:

panthera
01-28-2008, 12:19 AM
A coach maybe?! Teacher?!

Do we have the address where Brianna went missing?
1395 Mackay Ct. Mark mentioned it when giving the video tour of the house and the number is on the outside by the front door.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:24 AM
OK that is in the area. 2.1 miles or 8 minutes from the high school to her door.

If you take it a step further and he does work at the school...would make sense he would live near the school...right?

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 12:27 AM
OK that is in the area. 2.1 miles or 8 minutes from the high school to her door.

If you take it a step further and he does work at the school...would make sense he would live near the school...right?

Most likely, good work SS!

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:31 AM
I wonder if they have inhouse Janitorial or if they hire it out to a company? If he isn't a teacher or a coach...he could even own a company such as that for night work.

panthera
01-28-2008, 12:32 AM
OK that is in the area. 2.1 miles or 8 minutes from the high school to her door.

If you take it a step further and he does work at the school...would make sense he would live near the school...right?
It does make sense! The victim said it was a short name or word on the shirt so this would fit too.

See you tomorrow ~ have a good night! :)

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:34 AM
Their team is the Huskies. Their school would be RHS. Short words.

His entire outfit screams coach to me tho. It is exactly what you would expect. Roster maybe?!

8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/NEWS18/80127018&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 12:35 AM
SS, you have a pm.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:11 AM
Gosh, how difficult is it to find a photo of the coaches there? I have looked and looked! I have names...but no photos. They won the State Championship in Football in 2003.

gardenmom
01-28-2008, 01:25 AM
I'm so sad to hear this is connected to the rape victims. I sincerely hope she is still alive. Good sleuthing about the RHS theory. I would think it unusual though, for a coach to be out committing rapes at night and showing up for school the next morning. What day of the week did these crimes occur? Maybe if they were on a weekend you could link them to game days where he would have been out late coming home from an away game.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:29 AM
Last month a University of Nevada, Reno student was kidnapped and sexually assaulted after she was attacked on the 1400 block of N. Virginia Street Dec. 15 about 3 a.m., university police said in a statement.

The suspect is described as a heavyset white male about 30 to 40 years old. He has some facial hair and was wearing a Raiders T-shirt. The suspect’s vehicle is a dark, single cab truck with cloth seats and an after-market CD player with blue and red lights. It is described as an older truck.

http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2008/01/22/assault-case-at-a-standstill/

OK so she came up with additional information since the initial report. A raiders' jersey would be black...not medium blue and red. There aren't ANY raiders' shirts that color at all.

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 01:33 AM
Further down in the article (past what I posted here) is the full timeline of the assaults:

For reference, the three crimes in question occurred on the following dates and times:
November 13, 2007 – 5:40 p.m., December 16, 2007 – 2:00 a.m., January 19, 2008 4:00 a.m., and January 20, 2008 – 4:30 a.m.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/14469877.html


SS, I'm bumping this up for you. I think the one you just posted is a different case in addition to the three we know about, check out the above date and times. Wow. Sounds like he was very busy on that street.

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 01:37 AM
I found the below "Reno Peeper" case creepy. The article is from last February, and states that he would be eligible for parole in about a year. I wonder if he's out free? You have to read the article to get the whole gist.
http://www.rgj.com/blogs/crime/2007/02/reno-peeper.html

(snips)
So what we have here is a 32-year-old unemployed father of two young children who leaves his home well into his wife's graveyard shift so he can allegedly run down the street and peek inside a sleeping woman's window.
Actually, the 5-foot-3 tall Rolando Partida-Alvarez had to borrow a chair from her neighbor's home so he could reach her window and peer inside, police said. That must have been quite the sight.
But he is accused of doing much more than just window peeking. It should be noted that Partida-Alvarez is a suspected serial window

UPDATE: Partida-Alvarez was sentenced to a 20 month to six year term for burglary and lewdness. He'll be eligible for parole in one year.


ETA: I found an article from last August that indicates he may not be involved with this case. Unless he was released for overcrowding or something, he should still be behind bars as we speak.
http://ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?s=6882999

A Reno man who repeatedly peeked through the bedroom window of a sleeping woman and went to her bedside has been sentenced to up to six years in prison.
Thirty-two year old Rolando Partida-Alvarez pleaded guilty in May to burglary and open and gross lewdness.
He must serve a year in prison before becoming eligible for parole under the sentenced handed down Thursday by Washoe District Judge Steven Elliott.
Authorities Partida-Alvarez lived in the neighborhood of the 37-year-old victim.

philamena
01-28-2008, 01:38 AM
Does the perp work at the college?

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 01:51 AM
Does the perp work at the college?

The guy I am talking about? I don't know. Good thinking though. He's not a registered SO. Keyword being registered. Seems like a lot of SO aren't registered.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 02:08 AM
Hmmmm..that is interesting. I bet it is the same one tho...and someone has the dates wrong. One happened on Dec. 15 at 3:00am and the other happened Dec. 16.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 02:17 AM
I don't think he works for the college, but the High School. The college colored Jerseys are a dark blue with gray. No red with medium blue that I could find.

Oh, sorry, you were talking to Suzi.

Goodness...they have some pervs in Reno, don't they?! I think you are right that the guy would still be in jail.

They mentioned this man probably wouldn't be someone you would suspect and may not have any kind of record.

I wonder if the girls who have been attacked all attended High School in Reno? I know Brianna did.

eachandevery
01-28-2008, 02:27 AM
It's a sad fact that people are not 100% safe in their own homes. I mean, unlocked doors don't help, but it still doesn't give anyone the right to walk in and do whatever they please, whether it causes harm or not. I hope that Brianna is found safe and sound, but I know the chances diminish with each passing day. Still, miracles DO occur. I hope the very detailed description (and thank god for that) of the abductor leads to a quick arrest. Have they released a sketch of the person they believe to be responsible?

montana_16
01-28-2008, 02:31 AM
The girls were out most of the night. Did they leave the door unlocked while they were gone? Could someone have been in one of the other roomates' rooms hiding until later? The dog wouldn't have been as inclined to have barked if the person was already in the house.

The person could also have been associated with the roomies that were not at the house that night, but aware of the fact they did not lock the doors.

This Jason person's post doesn't seem legit to me for some reason. If the police had such proof she was seen with a mystery man at 3:00am and other people saw him...there would be a sketch done and they would have him termed already as a POI. For starters, Jason himself would become a POI and LE would be looking carefully at his story...if he is saying all of this stuff.

:clap:

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 02:53 AM
Here are some other sexual assaults in the area plus further information on the one on Dec. 16th.

Secret Witness site:
http://www.secretwitness.com/cases/case_detail.php?cat_id=12

Rape of University of Nevada Student
Case# RPD07-
Secret Witness is offering a reward in the amount of $2,000.00 for information leading to the arrest and prosecution of the suspect wanted in connection with the rape of a University of Nevada student in the 1400 block of N. Virginia St. Reno, NV. On December 16, 2007 at approximately 3:15 a.m. the student was walking home near the University when the suspect grabbed her from behind in a parking lot. The victim fell during the struggle and became unconscious. When she awoke, the suspect was sexually assaulting her inside his dark colored pickup. The suspect then drove her back to her home. The description of the suspect is vague. Reno Police Department is asking for the public’s assistance in identifying the suspect. Anyone having information relating to this crime, the suspect vehicle, or the suspect should contact the Reno Police Department at 334-2115, Secret Witness at 322-4900, or www.secretwitness.com.

montana_16
01-28-2008, 03:22 AM
SS, when I posted about your post, I was on page 7 and didn't know all the new developments then. Didn't Know this thread was this long. Thought I was at the end of it!
My post is way behind.

LillyRush
01-28-2008, 04:35 AM
What if he volunteered or worked the night shift with a Fire Dept/Rescue department? I think they usually want you to wear comfortable clothes and then just put the jacket with the fire dept/ems name over your clothes. I had an ex-boyfriend who used to contact me at odd hrs of the night after he got married and that is one of the things he did in his "spare time". His wife was also a nurse who worked the night shift sometimes.

But the possibilities of him being a cab driver or connected to the high school are interesting too. What if he is still a high school student/teenage father who got his girlfriend pregnant (hence the baby shoe being in his truck)? That could also be why he has no record, because he is too young to have gotten caught yet.

dbl_r_2
01-28-2008, 08:52 AM
It is odd that all of these assaults have taken place at the middle of the month. Also all but the first are on weekends. Not sure if it means anything but thought it was worth mentioning.

newshound81
01-28-2008, 09:24 AM
Hi guys, Lauren here from outside Philadelphia, new to the site. I think someone mentioned this man's Web site earlier on the thread, or I could be confusing it with another site: http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm

He senses the man who took Brianna is near the airport - could this guy be an airport worker? That could explain a night shift as well. JMO.

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 10:04 AM
(snip)
"The time of day and the close proximity of the locations would lead us to believe that the person either frequents this area, perhaps works in this area or at least knows their way around this area," Holladay said, adding Denison's abduction and the December crimes occurred between 2 a.m. and 4:30 a.m.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/13942957.html

Rick777
01-28-2008, 10:28 AM
Their team is the Huskies. Their school would be RHS. Short words.

His entire outfit screams coach to me tho. It is exactly what you would expect. Roster maybe?!

8 ½” x 11” white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080127/NEWS18/80127018&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews



As a coach myself....I must say that we don't walk around wearing the school uniform unless it's during a game. Football coaches don't wear team jersey's at all. Just saying....

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 10:51 AM
At the below link is a more detailed article with mapped location of the assaults, sidenotes regarding DNA and sexual predators, etc.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 11:03 AM
Hi guys, Lauren here from outside Philadelphia, new to the site. I think someone mentioned this man's Web site earlier on the thread, or I could be confusing it with another site: http://www.briansdreams.com/MISSING/publicr/603.htm

He senses the man who took Brianna is near the airport - could this guy be an airport worker? That could explain a night shift as well. JMO.


Welcome to WS! Please don't take this as me dissing you at all. But I really wish Brian would drop off the face of the earth. He's a wack job. con job, etc. He's a predator feeding off of desperate people that are desperate for info anywhere they can get it. Another poster just posted a similar but more detailed response in another thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1945494&postcount=11

paddy01
01-28-2008, 11:21 AM
:clap:

IMO, I believe the man Jason Dorfman saw at 3:00 am with Brianna is actually Ian. Ian was the guy who gave Bri & K.T. a ride home. I think that's why LE has not made a big deal out of it, could be wrong.

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 11:26 AM
Welcome to WS! Please don't take this as me dissing you at all. But I really wish Brian would drop off the face of the earth. He's a wack job. con job, etc. He's a predator feeding off of desperate people that are desperate for info anywhere they can get it. Another poster just posted a similar but more detailed response in another thread.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1945494&postcount=11


While I agree that Brian's drawings are not legit, words such as predator, in today's world is very harsh.

What a breakthrough that the DNA links this case with the previous sexual assault! It is also interesting that these attacks have been about a month apart, as someone else has posted. However, in this case, the perp now has a person/body to deal with.

If the perp works at night, he must have a job with very little supervision. What type of 3rd shift job could that be in Reno? The other option is that he works a day job and once a month calls in sick the day following his attack. I am leaning more towards the latter. It is less risky until someone at his work links his absence pattern to the attacks.

LionRun
01-28-2008, 11:42 AM
I heard on Fox news that the attack that happened about one month ago where the DNA matches that of what was found in Brianna's appartement took place just a few blocks away from Brianna's apartment. I wonder if the perp lives or works within blocks of each young lady.

Also, since this unknown man attacked one woman and likely abducted and did some horrible thing to Brianna, and he is in thirties, than he may have attacked before. These types generally begin their careers earlier than in their thirties. There may not be DNA with any other cases or LE from all around just haven't checked it out, yet. Nevada is heavily populated with transplants from all over the nation, so I wonder if he moved to NV fairly recently.

These are all just speculations, and I haven't had time to read through the many informative posts since just last night. Please forgive me if these topics have been covered. Wow, what a surprise to hear of this news, and I hope it proves to be the break that everyone hopes it is.

Lion

paddy01
01-28-2008, 11:43 AM
While I agree that Brian's drawings are not legit, words such as predator, in today's world is very harsh.

What a breakthrough that the DNA links this case with the previous sexual assault! It is also interesting that these attacks have been about a month apart, as someone else has posted. However, in this case, the perp now has a person/body to deal with.

If the perp works at night, he must have a job with very little supervision. What type of 3rd shift job could that be in Reno? The other option is that he works a day job and once a month calls in sick the day following his attack. I am leaning more towards the latter. It is less risky until someone at his work links his absence pattern to the attacks.

I thought perhaps casino worker, 6 pm to 2 am shift. My husband thinks cab driver (lots of them in Reno) this would also account for his clothing. He takes them home, then goes back later and assualts them.

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 11:55 AM
While I agree that Brian's drawings are not legit, words such as predator, in today's world is very harsh.

So if Brian's drawing are not legit, then what is his purpose? $$$$$. Anyone who preys on anything is a predator, are they not? Those are not harsh words for anyone the likes of him.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 11:58 AM
As a coach myself....I must say that we don't walk around wearing the school uniform unless it's during a game. Football coaches don't wear team jersey's at all. Just saying....I was just going by the colors of the jersey is all. I couldn't find those colors in the NFL or College level. Medium blue and red are the colors for the high school located 2.1 miles from where the attacks occurred. I think it is a strange coincidence.

Then again...could be just a stock item from some clothing company. Who knows?!

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:04 PM
I thought perhaps casino worker, 6 pm to 2 am shift. My husband thinks cab driver (lots of them in Reno) this would also account for his clothing. He takes them home, then goes back later and assualts them.I would hope that LE has already thought of this to ask the women if they have used a cab service. With the one girl hitchhiking home from the Casino and Brianna just being in from out of town to visit her parents...chances are they don't use cab service. KT seems to rely on friends to get around town. (Which reminds me...how DID they get to the concert venue to hook up with their friend before going to the Sands? Obviously, KT didn't drive.)

This guy sounds like he has "peach fuzz" growing wildly underneath his chin. Unless it was trimmed and more clean cut...he wouldn't pass the dress code here for a casino worker. Maybe he works in a kitchen in a restaurant or bar tho. It would be another job he would have such hours.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:14 PM
So if Brian's drawing are not legit, then what is his purpose? $$$$$. Anyone who preys on anything is a predator, are they not? Those are not harsh words for anyone the likes of him.I don't know that I have heard of Brian asking for money...but doesn't mean it hasn't happened. My problem is that he doesn't follow through with his so-called RVs to actually find these people. If I were having such vivid descriptions of where to recover missing people and felt they were still alive...I would hop the next plane and go get them myself! :rolleyes:

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 12:14 PM
So if Brian's drawing are not legit, then what is his purpose? $$$$$. Anyone who preys on anything is a predator, are they not? Those are not harsh words for anyone the likes of him.

There are many opinions and theories that I consider to not be legit, but those that propose those opinions and theories are not predators just because I do not believe.

Your comment just seemed to be harsh without knowing other background you may have to support your statement.

Oh well, I think I have gotten us off topic and for that I appologize.

Let's get back to Brianna.

swa
01-28-2008, 12:18 PM
Both abductions seem to be in the same time frame. So I agree about possibly someone getting off from a work shift.

I believe they will catch this person. They have a lot of good information. It just seems he's never been in real trouble before (NO DNA Match)

As far as psychics -- he is just giving vague information and guessing -- just like WE are doing. Are we psychic or are we just using common sense?

galvino
01-28-2008, 12:21 PM
Well. obviously my alternate theory of Bri disappearing on her own was wrong-rats! This makes things more bleak in terms of her safety.

I hope LE looks into both old & more recent peeping cases/arrests as I bet this perp has a history of that either as an adolescent or adult!

gardenmom
01-28-2008, 12:24 PM
At the below link is a more detailed article with mapped location of the assaults, sidenotes regarding DNA and sexual predators, etc.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

THE suspect

White male, 28-40 years old.

Long face with a square chin, facial hair about a quarter to a half an inch long below his chin that was soft and not prickly like stubble; brown hair; shaved pubic area.

Slightly taller than 5-foot-6

Firm stomach with an "innie" belly button.

Strong but not overly muscular

No accent when he spoke

No alcohol or cigarettes on his breath; no cologne

He wore a red short-sleeve shirt of a jersey material described as silk/nylon or polyester, with a medium blue neckline and possible embroidery on the upper left breast area. He wore a shirt underneath extended to his wrists.

He wore smooth pants with an elastic waist similar to basketball warmups.

Whatcha wanna bet he shaves his pubic area so he doesn't leave any hair samples behind. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit... After all, he left DNA behind twice. I just think that shaved pubic hair is unusual enough that if he has a regular sex partner that she might put 2 and 2 together.

BTW, I prayed for Brianna last night. She was on my mind when I went to bed last night. I hope she is found alive.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:26 PM
I think that LE sitting on information about the other attacks helped this man escape detection. This should point out the need to get the public involved with as much information as possible when a crime occurs instead of waiting until there are more victims. It is a shame they said for the first few days there was NO possible connection to the other attacks when in fact they were literally dead wrong. This time lapse and lapse in judgement could have cost a girl her life.

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 12:27 PM
Let's get back to Brianna.

I agree!

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:28 PM
Whatcha wanna bet he shaves his pubic area so he doesn't leave any hair samples behind. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit... After all, he left DNA behind twice. I just think that shaved pubic hair is unusual enough that if he has a regular sex partner that she might put 2 and 2 together.

BTW, I prayed for Brianna last night. She was on my mind when I went to bed last night. I hope she is found alive.Uhm, how do I put this nicely? LOL Many men today shave that area. It isn't unusual. I don't think he worried about leaving evidence behind because of the DNA.

nanandjim
01-28-2008, 12:29 PM
I heard on Fox news that the attack that happened about one month ago where the DNA matches that of what was found in Brianna's appartement took place just a few blocks away from Brianna's apartment. I wonder if the perp lives or works within blocks of each young lady...
I heard this on Fox, too. I'm a little confused. Do they know the identity of this guy? Did he kill the other woman that he abducted?

Also, the blood on the pillow is Brianna's (if that hasn't been mentioned). They think that the guy smothered Brianna or used the pillow as a weapon to get her under control. :(

galvino
01-28-2008, 12:31 PM
Maybe he is an athlete (or just athletic) like a biker and shaved for that?

his physical description seems to fit that, even his clothes. I know my bro used to shave certain areas (no-I dont know about THAT area!) when training for triathalons & such

paddy01
01-28-2008, 12:33 PM
Whatcha wanna bet he shaves his pubic area so he doesn't leave any hair samples behind. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit... After all, he left DNA behind twice. I just think that shaved pubic hair is unusual enough that if he has a regular sex partner that she might put 2 and 2 together.

BTW, I prayed for Brianna last night. She was on my mind when I went to bed last night. I hope she is found alive.

If you're giving this creep too much credit, than so am I. My first thought was the same as yours, so he doesn't leave hair samples behind.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:33 PM
No, they don't know his identity. No, he took the other woman back to her home and released her after the assault.

The blood has been mentioned as being Brianna's which is very disturbing. He has used choking as one way to subdue and one girl fell which resulted in unconsciousness (they didn't mention if choking was involved in the last one).

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 12:34 PM
I think that LE sitting on information about the other attacks helped this man escape detection. This should point out the need to get the public involved with as much information as possible when a crime occurs instead of waiting until there are more victims. It is a shame they said for the first few days there was NO possible connection to the other attacks when in fact they were literally dead wrong. This time lapse and lapse in judgement could have cost a girl her life.

I would think that if she is not alive now, she was killed soon after the attack. It seems rare that the perp keeps their victims alive. He is probably trying to blend back in to a "normal" routine.

My concern is that he will repeat until he is caught. The longer he goes free the more confidence he gains and the daring he gets.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:39 PM
Maybe he is an athlete (or just athletic) like a biker and shaved for that?

his physical description seems to fit that, even his clothes. I know my bro used to shave certain areas (no-I dont know about THAT area!) when training for triathalons & suchAthletes shave their legs and arms...but I don't think shaving the pubic area is any help to them. LOL I am telling you...it is NOT unusual anymore. Metrosexuals began this trend and it has carried over into a larger population.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:41 PM
If you're giving this creep too much credit, than so am I. My first thought was the same as yours, so he doesn't leave hair samples behind.Then he would have shaved that patch of peach fuzz under his chin, his arms, and his belly. He didn't.

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 12:42 PM
My concern is that he will repeat until he is caught. The longer he goes free the more confidence he gains and the daring he gets.

That is my concern as well. That is also why I am so upset with LE for saying the other two cases were not connected.

galvino
01-28-2008, 12:43 PM
Thanks for the info, SS! It has been a while since I was "out there" in the, um, dating arena and I haven't been in contact with many 'crotches; in a while LOL!

I still bet he has a past as a peeper though

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 12:44 PM
Then he would have shaved that patch of peach fuzz under his chin, his arms, and his belly. He didn't.

You know what's awful? You can pretty much figure out what happened to the December victim just by reading the detailed description of the POI. :sick:

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 12:45 PM
Yes, Suzi. You can. Thank goodness she gave them such an accurate description tho! There is A LOT of information! Too bad he didn't have a tattoo on his chest!!

galvino
01-28-2008, 12:45 PM
Ugh (shuddering)! You are right SuziQ!

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 12:47 PM
That is my concern as well. That is also why I am so upset with LE for saying the other two cases were not connected.

I understand your point. I don't know anything about the local LE so I can't comment on their competency.

Have they linked several of the attacks or just one to Brianna's?

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 12:50 PM
You know what's awful? You can pretty much figure out what happened to the December victim just by reading the detailed description of the POI. :sick:

This probably eliminates the local convicted sex offenders. With that much description, the victim must have looked at their pictures over and over thrying to identify her pred.

gardenmom
01-28-2008, 01:03 PM
Thanks for the info, SS! It has been a while since I was "out there" in the, um, dating arena and I haven't been in contact with many 'crotches; in a while LOL!

I still bet he has a past as a peeper though

LOL!! I am in the same situation that you are!:crazy:

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:08 PM
It looks like just the one sexual assault case has been linked, Dad. However, there was the incident of the attempted break-in the night before at the other victim's residence which they believe is related.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:11 PM
Thanks for the info, SS! It has been a while since I was "out there" in the, um, dating arena and I haven't been in contact with many 'crotches; in a while LOL!

I still bet he has a past as a peeper thoughLOL That isn't how I know such information! I am like the Dear Abby of the twenty-something friends of my daughter tho. They tell me waaaay too much when asking for advice. :eek:

Reannan
01-28-2008, 01:12 PM
What kind of
There is a Powerhouse gym fairly close by the area of the attacks, and I believe it is open late at night. I actually found a MySpace account of a guy that sort of fits the description, but he lives in Carson City, has a baby, and is into cage fighting, thus he works out at the gym. I don't want to post the Myspace because he may just be the greatest guy in the world. Here is the address of the gym "2900 Clear Acre Ln, Reno, NV 89512".

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:12 PM
This probably eliminates the local convicted sex offenders. With that much description, the victim must have looked at their pictures over and over thrying to identify her pred.She didn't see his face.

The UNR student, who has left the country, recently was reinterviewed by police and gave more details about her attacker, including that she saw a baby shoe in his truck and pieces of white paper with type in the front seat floorboard. She did not see the assailant's face.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:16 PM
What kind of
There is a Powerhouse gym fairly close by the area of the attacks, and I believe it is open late at night. I actually found a MySpace account of a guy that sort of fits the description, but he lives in Carson City, has a baby, and is into cage fighting, thus he works out at the gym. I don't want to post the Myspace because he may just be the greatest guy in the world. Here is the address of the gym "2900 Clear Acre Ln, Reno, NV 89512".Now that is a possibility. They mentioned he wasn't fat, but firm. Those could be workout clothes. Can you pm me the myspace site please? I wouldn't mind looking.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:27 PM
This is their bolded information and does make a good point:

With the above in mind, citizens are asked to contact authorities with any potentially useful information even if it seems unimportant to them or they think that someone else has already filed a similar report or the information does not completely fit with previously reported information or other details contained herein. It is important to note that because the DNA that has been collected is valid and conclusive, any person that is brought to our attention can be easily and unobtrusively eliminated or identified as a suspect.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7781239&nav=menu113_2_1

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 01:32 PM
Now that is a possibility. They mentioned he wasn't fat, but firm. Those could be workout clothes. Can you pm me the myspace site please? I wouldn't mind looking.

You two need to slow down here.

We could have alot of "suspects" with that wide of a net.

I don't think the guy was working out and then decided to perp on the way home. I think he put some thought into what he was wearing based on the attack and not what he was doing just prior to the attack.

That type of clothing is non-suspect and is easy to get off and back on.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 01:37 PM
Very true and I thought about that, too, Dad. If he is responsible for the attempted break-in earlier at the first victim's...he may have been dressed in the same way for easier access in and out of his clothes as before. This would mean he does plan events and is in predator mode. They don't say why the break-in was thwarted earlier...but he maybe wanted to carry out what he set out to do and why he chose another opportunity with Brianna.

I guess a lot of men wear the same type of clothing for casual wear. Most men I know wear actual sweats and not the jersey type gear tho. Not to mention...it was cold during these attacks so I find it a bit odd for that reason alone.

We are looking at every possibility here.

LionRun
01-28-2008, 02:00 PM
I heard this on Fox, too. I'm a little confused. Do they know the identity of this guy? Did he kill the other woman that he abducted?

Also, the blood on the pillow is Brianna's (if that hasn't been mentioned). They think that the guy smothered Brianna or used the pillow as a weapon to get her under control. :(

I heard what I wrote in my last post again, and the words used seemed as if LE believes it to be fact rather than speculation. They don't know who the slime is yet. But, he attacked and sexually assaulted another young woman a couple of blocks from where Brianna's apartment is, so it was reported. The attack also occurred late at night, and I think it happened in the parking lot of the apartment complex or very near to where the victim lived. Please don't quote me on that part, though.

The woman who was attacked and raped last month (I do not want to call her the first victim, because this man in his thirties likely didn't attack his first victim at this age. He likely started in his late teens to mid twenties according to all research I have read over the years.) was not killed. She gave a fairly good description of the perp, and LE has a DNA profile on him from her attack. That's how they know what he looks like. I believe it is only a matter of time before the scum is caught.

I wonder if it would be a good idea to publicize a police sketch (if the one woman believes she retained an adequate visual of the horrid slime) along with anything out of the ordinary that people who know him would be able to report. For example, if he wore an usual pair of shoes, spoke with a lisp, or there was anything unique about his truck that would set him apart it could be helpful in ID'ng the scum.

Lion

LionRun
01-28-2008, 02:04 PM
I understand your point. I don't know anything about the local LE so I can't comment on their competency.

Have they linked several of the attacks or just one to Brianna's?

I heard on Fox News that LE confirmed that the woman attacked and raped a couple of blocks from where Brianna was abducted from were linked via a DNA profile. I imagine they are looking for more possible links not only in NV, but around the nation. That is just my speculation, though.

Lion

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 02:07 PM
She did not see his face, so a sketch is not possible.

Suspect vehicle: Extended cab pick-up truck or SUV, dome light above the windshield, tall enough that it requires a step up to gain entry, floor-mounted console that was described as "fairly skinny" that opens in front, blue and red LED read-out on the radio, cloth seats, automatic transmission. There was a baby shoe on the front seat floor board. There were 8 ½" x 11" white pieces of paper with typing on the floor board of the front seat.
Suspect: White male, approximately 28 - 40 years, long face with a square chin, taller than 5'6" but not excessively so, very strong but not with a significantly muscular build, a belly that was described as not excessively large and firm but not flabby, an "innie" belly button, shaved pubic region, a light covering of hair on his arms, no jewelry or a watch, facial hair about a quarter to a half an inch long below his chin and was soft and not prickly as stubble normally is, unknown if he had a mustache, brown head hair of undetermined style, normal speech with no accent or regional dialect, no smoker's breath, no alcohol, no bad breath, no cologne or after-shave.

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7781239&nav=menu113_2_1

This is actually one of the best descriptions I have seen released by LE. It covers so much more than we normally see which should help tremendously if a spouse, family member, or friend happen to read it.

aj1020
01-28-2008, 02:09 PM
I was just going by the colors of the jersey is all. I couldn't find those colors in the NFL or College level. Medium blue and red are the colors for the high school located 2.1 miles from where the attacks occurred. I think it is a strange coincidence.

Then again...could be just a stock item from some clothing company. Who knows?!

I'm thinking he might not be tied directly to any school or specific sports team. Lots of my friends play on league basketball and volleyball teams and have team jerseys for those leagues. Some are just t-shirts, some are tanktops, some are actual mesh jerseys. He could even have got a "jersey" from a deparment store just to wear around that was red. A tshirt/jersey and athletic shorts is a pretty common "slacker" attire or for anyone just wanting to be comfortable. Heck, maybe it was even his pj's since this was in the middle of the night. I don't think, given his scruffy facial hair and atlhetic clothing, that he was necessarily a coach or employed by a school.

LionRun
01-28-2008, 02:09 PM
Hmmm. Most men wouldn't have a baby shoe in their trucks unless they had a close tie to a baby. He could have innocently given a ride to a parent with a baby, and the shoe could have fallen off in the truck. But, I think it may be more likely that he has a baby or he is or has recently dated a woman with a baby.

Lion

LionRun
01-28-2008, 02:10 PM
She did not see his face, so a sketch is not possible.

She said there was no unusual accent detected in his speech.

Thanks, SS. With the news coming in so fast, and me just coming in on this there is a lot I have missed.

Lion

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 02:12 PM
You two need to slow down here.

We could have alot of "suspects" with that wide of a net.

I don't think the guy was working out and then decided to perp on the way home. I think he put some thought into what he was wearing based on the attack and not what he was doing just prior to the attack.

That type of clothing is non-suspect and is easy to get off and back on.

We don't know what he was doing before or after his attacks, or what his thoughts were for that matter. People do wear certain clothing related to their activities at the time, whether it's working out or planning a rape. The clothing is very much suspect!

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 02:14 PM
I don't think, given his scruffy facial hair and atletic clothing, that he was necessarily a coach or employed by a school.

I think SS was merely pointing it out as a possibility. Not bad thinking IMO.

newshound81
01-28-2008, 02:16 PM
You know, this break in the case has been making me think about how society has been steering away from educating young women on random assaults and stranger rapes and focusing more on date rapes and having things slipped in your drink. I was in college four years ago in a bad section of Philadelphia, and we were still warned more of getting raped by fellow students than strangers. It's true that in this college-age group, date rape is typically more of a concern than stranger rape, but maybe we also need to get back to passing on some common sense info on the latter (lock your doors, carry pepper spray, don't walk alone at night).

In the same vein, we've been coming down on BD and KT (I'll exclude Jessica, since she did accept a ride home with a stranger, by herself) for not locking their doors, drinking, etc. the night of the abduction. But they could have been very viglilant about protecting themselves from the other kind of rape by watching each others' drinks, sticking together at the SWAT concert, etc. Maybe they felt more in danger at the event b/c of the emphasis we put on things like GHB, and never thought twice about being victimized in a "safe place" - home:waitasec: .

aj1020
01-28-2008, 02:18 PM
I think SS was merely pointing it out as a possibility. Not bad thinking IMO.

I wasn't attacking or discrediting SS's opinions, just offering up my own, which, last I checked, was ok to do here.

paddy01
01-28-2008, 02:23 PM
Once again hubby's :twocents: To him big difference between extended cab truck & SUV, told him to keep in mind the woman who gave description was an assault victim. His other thought, who's to say it was perps vehicle, maybe he borrowed or it was stolen. His opinion he wouldn't drive his own vehicle to commit crime. LOL, because of this tread I'm certainly learning about how my husband of 2 years thinks :eek:

SuziQ
01-28-2008, 02:27 PM
I wasn't attacking or discrediting SS's opinions, just offering up my own, which, last I checked, was ok to do here.

I was in no way implying that. I was merely offering a reason why I felt SS's coach/school connection is valid.

ETA: as far as we know.

KR2tonenow
01-28-2008, 02:34 PM
I had immediately thought that the sexual assault in the area was connected, what an excellent description of perp, on the link above!!

I hope this tracks him!!

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 02:37 PM
Once again hubby's :twocents: To him big difference between extended cab truck & SUV, told him to keep in mind the woman who gave description was an assault victim. His other thought, who's to say it was perps vehicle, maybe he borrowed or it was stolen. His opinion he wouldn't drive his own vehicle to commit crime. LOL, because of this tread I'm certainly learning about how my husband of 2 years thinks :eek:

It seems reasonable to think he would steal a vehicle for the attack. However, the truck has not been recovered. That makes me think that he used his own truck. If that is the case, it could indicate that he is not a "general" criminal but is focused on the sex crimes.

This sure does sound like an employed married man in his early 30's.

Someone is going to connect all of these dots and call the LE soon I hope!

murdershewrote
01-28-2008, 02:39 PM
I'm way behind here...but I thought both previous assaults were not actually rape (meaning sexual intercourse)? That's what I had heard reported several times

KR2tonenow
01-28-2008, 02:39 PM
It seems reasonable to think he would steal a vehicle for the attack. However, the truck has not been recovered. That makes me think that he used his own truck. If that is the case, it could indicate that he is not a "general" criminal but is focused on the sex crimes.

This sure does sound like an employed married man in his early 30's.

Someone is going to connect all of these dots and call the LE soon I hope!

Or someone from the University social circle, perhaps educator or staff.

The 81/2x11 paper sounds to me even student. Probably married with children.

KR2tonenow
01-28-2008, 02:46 PM
It looks like just the one sexual assault case has been linked, Dad. However, there was the incident of the attempted break-in the night before at the other victim's residence which they believe is related.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

>snip
Holladay said police believe that the morning before Denison disappeared, the suspect returned to the UNR student's home about 4 a.m. in the 1400 block of North Virginia Street and tried to break into her locked home.
>snip

when I first heard that awhile back, I knew this gu was the same man, it really is unfortunate that they are now realizing it.

>snip
It's very brazen," he said. "The progression of cases we're looking at is that the nature of the crimes are escalating in violence."
>snip

That's right, there was an obvious pattern here...2 weeks ago when Brianna was abducted.

They will be lucky to find her alive now!!

KR2tonenow
01-28-2008, 02:49 PM
What kind of
There is a Powerhouse gym fairly close by the area of the attacks, and I believe it is open late at night. I actually found a MySpace account of a guy that sort of fits the description, but he lives in Carson City, has a baby, and is into cage fighting, thus he works out at the gym. I don't want to post the Myspace because he may just be the greatest guy in the world. Here is the address of the gym "2900 Clear Acre Ln, Reno, NV 89512".

Please pass this lead onto RPD.:)

10EC_Dad
01-28-2008, 02:49 PM
Or someone from the University social circle, perhaps educator or staff.

The 81/2x11 paper sounds to me even student. Probably married with children.

It could be a student but I would be a little surprised.

That paper is so universal, it is hard to narrow it to a student.

nanandjim
01-28-2008, 02:50 PM
It looks like just the one sexual assault case has been linked, Dad. However, there was the incident of the attempted break-in the night before at the other victim's residence which they believe is related.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

The other girl that was kidnapped/attacked saw a baby shoe in his vehicle. Brianna's teddy bear is missing. Perhaps, this guy gave this teddy bear as a gift to the baby (his baby?). Maybe, this would be a way to zoom in on possible suspects.

Plus, the girl said that their was white paper with typing in the vehicle. I wonder if he is a student. Perhaps, this is his way to gain knowledge or access to these college aged girls' residences.

Think about it; a new father who is student. He can make up an excuse to be away (at library, studying). He gives his baby a surprise teddy bear. Ask the public whose child received a teddy bear on a day or two after Brianna went missing.

KR2tonenow
01-28-2008, 02:58 PM
It could be a student but I would be a little surprised.

That paper is so universal, it is hard to narrow it to a student.

So true, but what gets me is he's attacking college students. What's the connection, other than the obvious?

If there had been a growing increase in sexual assaults in the area, was it ever widely known among these students, before this incident? Maybe keeping doors unlocked is not such a great idea:m