Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #11

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59036 Would you mind reposting that on this thread, Suz?

[SeriouslySearching]

Chiperoni and Ticamom: I moved your posts about Mexico over to the thread about Mexico. I think they are very informative and give a good idea of what is going on there. : )

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58637&page=3

[SeriouslySearching]

BTW~ Don't get mad at me! I am just trying to streamline things and get conversations where they can be spread out further! Chico is right in that we have been using this thread for everything and important information is getting buried here.

Let's utilize this forum! They gave it to us for that reason and believe me...it isn't easy for us to be allowed such a luxury on every case. : ) Thanks again, Mods!

(And don't stop talking here!!!)

[SeriouslySearching]

Has anyone heard ANY information yet today?! I realize the coverage is being taken over by the death of Heath L. and the horrible weather in Cali...but I have not seen anything on Cesar Laurean or the case.

OK Just on Fox...they are now awaiting the presser on the GJ. See you on the GJ Thread, I hope!!!

[chiperoni]

Chiperoni, I agree with you. If Mexico is anything like CR, most people own a tv set. You may see the most humble shacks and yet most of them own a tv. And the majority of the middle class owns several tvs and have cable access. Cable is very big here in Central America, and most people try to speak and understand English, so they very often watch the news and other programs as practice.

So I am hoping that POS's face will become familiar to Mexicans and that 25 K reward will entice someone to turn him in. Believe me, 25 thousand $ is a lot of money in Central America ! It is up to LE and the FBI to distribute wanted posters and keep this fresh. We just have to be patient and keep praying.

I know in my heart that justice will be done for Maria and Gabrielle.
Tnx Tica Mom. Spanish language TV is a multibillion dollar business south of the border. Hopefully CL's face will flash across their TVs. I'll bet they have shows that are similar to AMW in Mexico.

[Ticamom]

presser on fox news right now !

[SeriouslySearching]

Discussion of Press Conference on the 5 Indictments of Cesar Laurean:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59036

[chiperoni]

Chiperoni and Ticamom: I moved your posts about Mexico over to the thread about Mexico. I think they are very informative and give a good idea of what is going on there. : )

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58637&page=3

tnx for the info.

[Ticamom]

SS :Thanks !!!!

Who could get angry at you ? You're a sweetie !

[SeriouslySearching]

Awwww, Thanks, Ticamom. : )

[SeriouslySearching]

I wish we could figure out who the man is in the video with Cesar at Lowes. I would love to know!!

[SuziQ]

Whoa! From the below link!
Hudson said the grand jury also charged Laurean with robbery with a dangerous weapon and a charge involving an unauthorized financial transaction involving card theft. The indictment states Laurean forced Lauterbach to remove money from her bank account on Dec. 14, the same day authorities believe he killed her.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,325188,00.html

[SuziQ]

I reviewed a video last night I found on Littledeers wonderful timeline:

There is a camera at the bus station. It's right behind the clerk being interviewed.

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news/local_news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-01-11-0006.html

ETA: click on the box title Video

[btbsmith]

Wow - When I first heard the "robbery with a dangerous weapon" charge, I thought it was an extra charge based on the crow-bar and perhaps some evidence he took cash that we know was taken out of the ATM. However, Fox reports form the GJ indictment, "Laurean forced Lauterbach to remove money from her bank account on Dec. 14."

Must have been some evidence of CL in background in that first ATM video. This is surely one reason they changed death from 15th to 14th.

Poor Girl, it seems it was as many proposed here.

[BritDees]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I found this little tidbit of info on:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/24/missing.marine/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Hudson said authorities are continuing tests to determine the paternity and gender of the fetus.

Hence all the questions surrounding the gender of the baby?

[btbsmith]

There is a camera at the bus station. It's right behind the clerk being interviewed.

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news/local_news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-01-11-0006.html

ETA: click on the box title Video
Thanks. I could not view the video, but reread the article and noted that the attendant stated that he believed she was alone. LE must have some evidence she was not alone at 420pm at the ATM and I would assume she was not alone at 5pm. Unless it was not her - but the timeline is very tight for a hasty dress-up pregnant by Xtina (unless whole thing was totally preplanned - doubtful). Would love to know what the "plan" that supposedly went bad was...

[Ticamom]

I wish we could figure out who the man is in the video with Cesar at Lowes. I would love to know!!

So would I ! I would so like it if one of the news crews finds out his identity and then interviews him about POS's demeanor on that day, how he actually helped POS , if he had any suspicions on why POS was going to do landscaping in the middle of winter, etc. Inquiring minds want to know !

[Pharlap]

So would I ! I would so like it if one of the news crews finds out his identity and then interviews him about POS's demeanor on that day, how he actually helped POS , if he had any suspicions on why POS was going to do landscaping in the middle of winter, etc. Inquiring minds want to know !

Maybe between Le and the FBI, they gave it to a tech specialist.
At least I would do that. Then circulate the picture around the base.
Who knows they could have his identity already and not say spit about it.

[Tom'sGirl]

Thanks. I could not view the video, but reread the article and noted that the attendant stated that he believed she was alone. LE must have some evidence she was not alone at 420pm at the ATM and I would assume she was not alone at 5pm. Unless it was not her - but the timeline is very tight for a hasty dress-up pregnant by Xtina (unless whole thing was totally preplanned - doubtful). Would love to know what the "plan" that supposedly went bad was...
Sorry you're unable to see the video. Here's the camera up on the wall that SQ mentioned.
http://i25.tinypic.com/2q80nyp.jpg

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Maybe between Le and the FBI, they gave it to a tech specialist.
At least I would do that. Then circulate the picture around the base.
Who knows they could have his identity already and not say spit about it.


I believe LE knows who he is; they have interviewed him and do not consider him involved in any of the crimes against Maria. I believe it was the SO Captain that said he was an old friend of Cesar and that they go "way back."

I just think it's the public who hasn't learned of his name yet.

I apologize if you already knew that and I misunderstood your post.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yes and then the HORRIBLE job he did.. a ugly hole in the middle of your yard in the middle of winter? I am surprised the neighbors didn't poke their head over the fence and question him. If my neighbor was doing that I would. I would be like what the heck are you doing? Are you drunk?




So would I ! I would so like it if one of the news crews finds out his identity and then interviews him about POS's demeanor on that day, how he actually helped POS , if he had any suspicions on why POS was going to do landscaping in the middle of winter, etc. Inquiring minds want to know !

[SuziQ]

Thanks TG!

[Pharlap]

I believe LE knows who he is; they have interviewed him and do not consider him involved in any of the crimes against Maria. I believe it was the SO Captain that said he was an old friend of Cesar and that they go "way back."

I just think it's the public who hasn't learned of his name yet.

I apologize if you already knew that and I misunderstood your post.

Was just responding to the post.
Was this interview given to any of the news outlets
and I just missed it?
:waitasec:

[JDB]

Would love to know what the "plan" that supposedly went bad was...

There was never a plan. That is what CL wrote in the note. Any thing that came from CL I would not trust as far as can throw an Elephant:crazy:

[Pocono Sleuther]

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but I found this little tidbit of info on:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/24/missing.marine/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

Hudson said authorities are continuing tests to determine the paternity and gender of the fetus.

Hence all the questions surrounding the gender of the baby?


Hang on. I thought the baby was girl.

[ThoughtFox]

Wow - When I first heard the "robbery with a dangerous weapon" charge, I thought it was an extra charge based on the crow-bar and perhaps some evidence he took cash that we know was taken out of the ATM. However, Fox reports form the GJ indictment, "Laurean forced Lauterbach to remove money from her bank account on Dec. 14."

Must have been some evidence of CL in background in that first ATM video. This is surely one reason they changed death from 15th to 14th.

Poor Girl, it seems it was as many proposed here.
I'm glad to hear this confirmed because usually people don't write down their ATM codes and I couldn't figure out how he got the money without knowing it, and the only way he could have was to threaten her. Why did she have to go through all this hell for this PoS. :furious: :furious: :furious: It makes me so angry that he was doing this to a woman pregnant with his own child - he's a monster.

[lkd-ga]

I'm glad to hear this confirmed because usually people don't write down their ATM codes and I couldn't figure out how he got the money without knowing it, and the only way he could have was to threaten her. Why did she have to go through all this hell for this PoS. :furious: :furious: :furious: It makes me so angry that he was doing this to a woman pregnant with his own child - he's a monster.

So we now know that she was forced to take the money out of bank account by Cesar. So now how does the purchase of a bus ticket the same day play into this. The ticket was purchased by a female and I do not think
Maria purchased the ticket so we are back to who purchased the ticket.

[Tom'sGirl]

[So we now know that she was forced to take the money out of bank account by Cesar. So now how does the purchase of a bus ticket the same day play into this. The ticket was purchased by a female and I do not think Maria purchased the ticket so we are back to who purchased the ticket.[/QUOTE]

The ATM cash withdrawal was at 4:20 pm., the ticket was purchased around 5:00 pm. I'm just hoping that camera did work as the time was only the recall of the clerk, it may have been later.

[lkd-ga]

Would love to know what the "plan" that supposedly went bad was...

The use of the word plan by Cesar in reference to Maria has always bothered me. The person with the plan was Cesar and it did not go according to his plans. Something happen to cause Cesar to brutally murder Maria like he did.
I think Cesar had made plans to get Maria alone on the 14th to try and convience her that he did not rape her. That it was her fault etc... and he had a plan on how to get out of this situation looking like the nice guy that everyone thought he was. When Maria did not go along with the PLAN Cesar snapped and murder Maria. Even after he murder her he was still scheming to make it look like he was the victim.. What a jerk. The typical sociapath.

[nanandjim]

... The indictment states Laurean forced Lauterbach to remove money from her bank account on Dec. 14, the same day authorities believe he killed her.
I speculated that she was forced to write the note. Now, I think that she was abducted at gunpoint, made to write the "goodbye" note and withdraw money from the bank. He probably forced her to drive to his home where he beat her to death.

He is a psychopath, IMO.

[philamena]

The ATM cash withdrawal was at 4:20 pm., the ticket was purchased around 5:00 pm. I'm just hoping that camera did work as the time was only the recall of the clerk, it may have been later.


Let's hope and pray that camera worked.
That pos tortured Maria before he :furious: slaughtered her and killed her and the baby. :(

[murdershewrote]

well, maybe his plan was to get the money out of her ATM, (successful) have her write the note (successful) and then buy ticket and put her on the bus (very unsuccessful). Then what was he suppose to do with her? So they go back to his house and things spiral down from there.

[lkd-ga]

well, maybe his plan was to get the money out of her ATM, (successful) have her write the note (successful) and then buy ticket and put her on the bus (very unsuccessful). Then what was he suppose to do with her? So they go back to his house and things spiral down from there.


This could have been the plan. What every his plan was I think that hesought out Maria that day. He knew that most people would either be at the party that afternoon or leave for Christmas Holiday and his chance of getting Maria alone would be better. I think that her changing her story about the rape was due to him manipulating her and he thought since he was able to get her to change story then he could maybe controll the outcome of the situation. When Maria did not cooperate that day and told him she was keep baby he snapped. Just my opinion.

[Pharlap]

well, maybe his plan was to get the money out of her ATM, (successful) have her write the note (successful) and then buy ticket and put her on the bus (very unsuccessful). Then what was he suppose to do with her? So they go back to his house and things spiral down from there.


Going back to what others thought, why didn't see drive her own car?
If she left the car there, wouldn't you think she was returning then?
This whole bus ticket/car issue is driving me nuts. :waitasec:
Just talking out loud....no offense to anyone...

[murdershewrote]

I agree, I think he intiated the meeting that day...maybe he went over to her place and they both ended up driving to the ATM in her car.

[lkd-ga]

I agree, I think he intiated the meeting that day...maybe he went over to her place and they both ended up driving to the ATM in her car.

What if he just happen to run into her at the ATM. Or maybe he was following her and she did not know until she got to the atm. They both used he same atm location.

[Tom'sGirl]

Hang on. I thought the baby was girl.
I think they're just confirming the gender to the first autopsy.

[jennyjwv]

i wonder if they found any evdience (hair, fibers etc) of maria in pos truck??? if so, maybe she got in his truck @ the bus station and left her car there??
i remember in an article after they found the truck that it said they had found evidence but didn't say what....

[btbsmith]

I am wondering if more sheetrock was torn down yes or this is a question to the prosecution to Xtina "Was that there before the Christmas Party - better still ask my brothers the Marines at the burning - did you enter the garage - had you been at the POS house before - did you ever notice any sheetrock removed before - etc
I missed this discussion of the drywall earlier. Note that in another thread someone posted some legal description of the Laurean house - it included a reference to something like "UNF GARAGE" which I took to mean unfinished garage. Pics looked to me as if the garage was unfinished. I believe wall in question is an interior wall which likely backs to laundry or kitchen?

[btbsmith]

The use of the word plan by Cesar in reference to Maria has always bothered me. The person with the plan was Cesar and it did not go according to his plans. Something happen to cause Cesar to brutally murder Maria like he did.
I think Cesar had made plans to get Maria alone on the 14th to try and convience her that he did not rape her. That it was her fault etc... and he had a plan on how to get out of this situation looking like the nice guy that everyone thought he was. When Maria did not go along with the PLAN Cesar snapped and murder Maria. Even after he murder her he was still scheming to make it look like he was the victim.. What a jerk. The typical sociapath.
I agree. Don't think murder was his first course of action. Maybe he planned to convince her to abort - thus eliminatng any DNA evidence for the rape case? Unfortuantely, she was probably very vulnerable after just talking to her mom...

[Tom'sGirl]

I missed this discussion of the drywall earlier. Note that in another thread someone posted some legal description of the Laurean house - it included a reference to something like "UNF GARAGE" which I took to mean unfinished garage. Pics looked to me as if the garage was unfinished. I believe wall in question is an interior wall which likely backs to laundry or kitchen?
I was the one who posted the description. It means it was an attached unfinished garage, meaning not a livable area. The actual living area was 1,095 sq.ft.

[Mygirlsadie]

You would think that she would tell the clerk that she was in danger or slip a note that said call 911..




The ATM cash withdrawal was at 4:20 pm., the ticket was purchased around 5:00 pm. I'm just hoping that camera did work as the time was only the recall of the clerk, it may have been later.[/quote]

[Mygirlsadie]

That is pretty small..Maria had nowhere to run. :mad: Where is this garage full of junk picture located? I never saw the garage...



I was the one who posted the description. It means it was an attached unfinished garage, meaning not a livable area. The actual living area was 1,095 sq.ft.

[Tom'sGirl]

I wish we could figure out who the man is in the video with Cesar at Lowes. I would love to know!!
Sutherland said investigators have identified the other man, questioned him and received information from him. Sutherland would not provide the man's name.
http://www.enctoday.com/news/laurean_54537_jdn__article.html/lauterbach_sutherland.html (http://www.enctoday.com/news/laurean_54537_jdn__article.html/lauterbach_sutherland.html)

[Seven]

Cleaning up the blood it looks from the pictures the blood splatter was not all over the wall just in certain places. . . .

That's true. After seeing the video tour w/Greta there's not as much blood as I was imagining from the word "splatter" that I'd heard reported.

They zeroed in on a couple blood spatters from the garage wall that hadn't been cleaned up and an area on the floor that definitely wouldn't jump out at a layperson (had been cleaned up), though if you lived there and regularly walked over that area in the garage, you'd notice even that light staining of the concrete imo.

[SeriouslySearching]

I would notice drops or specks of blood anywhere in my home or garage!! Of course, my first thought would not be murder tho. I would have to assume that someone either cut themselves or had a nose bleed.

[Littledeer]

SS:

Great job on posting the new threads!!! :)

[SeriouslySearching]

We need to keep them coming!! More threads on pertinent issues!!

(Thanks, LD!)

[Seven]

I would notice drops or specks of blood anywhere in my home or garage!! Of course, my first thought would not be murder tho. I would have to assume that someone either cut themselves or had a nose bleed.

I'm thinking a jury might very well agree w/you on that, SS....... Remember that case of the woman in Las Vegas who was convicted of killing her husband despite the fact that she explained blood spatters on the ceiling and wall as having been the result of one of his occasional nose bleeds?

[panthera]

I speculated that she was forced to write the note. Now, I think that she was abducted at gunpoint, made to write the "goodbye" note and withdraw money from the bank. He probably forced her to drive to his home where he beat her to death.

He is a psychopath, IMO.
So who to they think bought the bus ticket only 40 min. after the ATM withdrawl? :confused:

[panthera]

i wonder if they found any evdience (hair, fibers etc) of maria in pos truck??? if so, maybe she got in his truck @ the bus station and left her car there??
i remember in an article after they found the truck that it said they had found evidence but didn't say what....
I can see this, but if that had happened why was her car parked at his house and he seen driving her car around?

[KR2tonenow]

1/24 7:37pm Nancy Grace arguing that "Laurean lured her to the home".

I am glad they put robbery on there. It really pissed me off to see him spend her money on top of everything else!!!!!!!!

[KR2tonenow]

1/24 7:37pm Nancy Grace arguing that "Laurean lured her to the home".

I am glad they put robbery on there. It really pissed me off to see him spend her money on top of everything else!!!!!!!!

[kathyn2]

Anything new on Greta today? I missed most of her show.

[FMRUSMC]

Anything new on Greta today? I missed most of her show.

the indictments, bounty hunters, debate on the DP

[chiperoni]

Anything new on Greta today? I missed most of her show.

They were talking about the formal indictement of CL for murder. The local DA had to drop the death penalty to ensure Mexico would hand him over. The lawyer panel argued over the fact that if a muderer crosses the Mexican border he/she gets an automatic pass on the death penalty. Jim Hammer said that when he was a DA in San Francisco it took five years to extradite one guy out of Mexico and it was mainly due to the hard work of the FBI and SF detectives that they finally got him. That was awhile ago and hopefully this process has sped up. Now that a formal indictment of murder has been issued the mexican judges should take action. The whole case will be presented to them. It's up to the FBI, local law enforcement, Mexican police and local tipsters. The $25,000 should sweeten the pot.

[SeriouslySearching]

Also on NG, it sounded like he did take the money she got from the ATM withdrawal on the 14th and earned him the robbery charge (which included a weapon). Sounds like we were right when we were saying she looked nervous and afraid. It must have been him she turned to look at. To me, this would make me believe he was holding a gun on her, but since they have no proof of that...they only listed the "blunt object" she was eventually murdered with.

[SuziQ]

Sources close to the investigation told The Daily News that Lauterbach's throat was cut post-mortem, possibly in an attempt to cover the true cause of death.

The blunt force object used to kill Lauterbach was a crowbar, according to sources close to the investigation. The Sheriff's Department said an "item" believed to be the murder weapon was turned into detectives by a witness who did not know the significance of it until learning from the news media that Laurean was wanted for killing Lauterbach

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54620___article.html/lauterbach_mexico.html

[btbsmith]

I see your point, but what if Christina found the note before he was able to check out? Why risk it?
Do we really KNOW that he actually checked into work? If so, what time? I know the neighbor says he was out front at around 630am, but logic would put him on first available bus soon after that time. Could have checked in at "O-Dark-30" to be seen by a known early bird.

[btbsmith]

"He was like an ordinary family man," said Malo Menard, who lived next door.

http://www.capazoo.com/editorial/news/us/113564366
:waitasec: Hmmm.... the above report says, "Investigators said Laurean bought a bus ticket from Jacksonville to El Paso, Texas, on Dec. 14, but never used it.
Lauterbach had purchased a ticket to Texas on Dec. 15. Her car was found at a Jacksonville bus station."

Did they just confuse the report or were 2 tics bought?:confused:

[katiecoolady]

1/24 7:37pm Nancy Grace arguing that "Laurean lured her to the home".

I am glad they put robbery on there. It really pissed me off to see him spend her money on top of everything else!!!!!!!!


Nancy said something last night along the lines of him STILL using her money, while in Mexico. :furious:

[btbsmith]

As dumb as he is, he is smarter than LE in NC.
Sad but I was just thinking earlier this AM that Sheriff Taylor and Deputy Fife could have done a better job...

[Ticamom]

Sources close to the investigation told The Daily News that Lauterbach's throat was cut post-mortem, possibly in an attempt to cover the true cause of death.

The blunt force object used to kill Lauterbach was a crowbar, according to sources close to the investigation. The Sheriff's Department said an "item" believed to be the murder weapon was turned into detectives by a witness who did not know the significance of it until learning from the news media that Laurean was wanted for killing Lauterbach

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_54620___article.html/lauterbach_mexico.html

Could the crowbar be one of the items sold in the yard sale site at www.lejeuneunderground.com ?

If it was, imagine the new owners shock upon learning about the murder. :eek:

I just hope the person who bought their vacuum cleaner also turned it in to LE.

[Pharlap]

Could the crowbar be one of the items sold in the yard sale site at www.lejeuneunderground.com (http://www.lejeuneunderground.com) ?

If it was, imagine the new owners shosk upon learning about the murder. :eek:

I just hope the person who bought their vaccuum cleaner also turned it in to LE.


Wonder if they had another vacuum cleaner, when did they buy it.

[KR2tonenow]

Wonder if they had another vacuum cleaner, when they bought it.

Between the monies from Maria's bank account, the Western Union monies sent to POS, and the garage sale. How many more red flags did LE need.?

POS might as well have started a website to ask for donations to fund his getaway and new life in Mexico. Better yet, put up a flare~!!:mad:

[Tom'sGirl]

:waitasec: Hmmm.... the above report says, "Investigators said Laurean bought a bus ticket from Jacksonville to El Paso, Texas, on Dec. 14, but never used it.
Lauterbach had purchased a ticket to Texas on Dec. 15. Her car was found at a Jacksonville bus station."

Did they just confuse the report or were 2 tics bought?:confused:
The ticket was purchased on the 14th, to be used on the 15th as per the ticket agent.

[murdershewrote]

question...does anybody know if he still keeps getting paid by the Marine Corp while he is "missing". His wife is going to come to the realization real soon that he isn't coming back here, unless in shackles, so she is stuck paying the mortgage, raising her child, etc. all by herself.

wonder what the pay policy is...he is still a Marine and hasn't been convicted yet.

[Pharlap]

question...does anybody know if he still keeps getting paid by the Marine Corp while he is "missing". His wife is going to come to the realization real soon that he isn't coming back here, unless in shackles, so she is stuck paying the mortgage, raising her child, etc. all by herself.

wonder what the pay policy is...he is still a Marine and hasn't been convicted yet.


My guess would be no.
He's not at work.
Didn't take an authorize leave of absence.

[btbsmith]

question...does anybody know if he still keeps getting paid by the Marine Corp while he is "missing". His wife is going to come to the realization real soon that he isn't coming back here, unless in shackles, so she is stuck paying the mortgage, raising her child, etc. all by herself.

wonder what the pay policy is...he is still a Marine and hasn't been convicted yet.
My guess is that money is why she is now back on active duty - she likely raised her hand. Anyone know when her present tour started? I have heard some conflicting things. As I understand she was not AD during the period around 14 Dec but had been no long before ?

[btbsmith]

My guess is that money is why she is now back on active duty - she likely raised her hand. Anyone know when her present tour started? I have heard some conflicting things. As I understand she was not AD during the period around 14 Dec but had been no long before ?
Heck, we know Cesar's position is now vacant - maybe she took that slot!!!:)

[gardenmom]

Do we really KNOW that he actually checked into work? If so, what time? I know the neighbor says he was out front at around 630am, but logic would put him on first available bus soon after that time. Could have checked in at "O-Dark-30" to be seen by a known early bird.

The sheriff said that he checked in that morning and checked out. He did not say what time that was, but we can assume it was before Christina got there with the notes.

[gardenmom]

question...does anybody know if he still keeps getting paid by the Marine Corp while he is "missing". His wife is going to come to the realization real soon that he isn't coming back here, unless in shackles, so she is stuck paying the mortgage, raising her child, etc. all by herself.

wonder what the pay policy is...he is still a Marine and hasn't been convicted yet.

My husband is active duty military and he said they will cut off his pay.

[lkd-ga]

The sheriff said that he checked in that morning and checked out. He did not say what time that was, but we can assume it was before Christina got there with the notes.

I thought that he called into work. It was reported that on the 10th he
was to call in to superior about appointment with atty. So I assumed if he
reported on the 11th it would have been another call.

[Vegas Bride]

Heck, we know Cesar's position is now vacant - maybe she took that slot!!!:)

Marias position also is vacant :(

VB

[Ticamom]

question...does anybody know if he still keeps getting paid by the Marine Corp while he is "missing". His wife is going to come to the realization real soon that he isn't coming back here, unless in shackles, so she is stuck paying the mortgage, raising her child, etc. all by herself.

.


Yep, It's going to dawn on Xtina how great he has it in Mexico, playing bachelor , sipping a cold Corona with his buddies in the warm sun while she is stuck in Camp Lejeune working, paying the mortage , taking care of their daughter, paying bills, etc. Not to mention being perceived by the media and general public as an accesory to Maria's murder.


I hope POS was worth it, Xtina !

[FMRUSMC]

My husband is active duty military and he said they will cut off his pay.


Not only will they cut off his pay but Xtina was brought from reserve status to active duty status. She is now confined to base which means she is not getting as much pay because she is not entitled to 'housing allowance'. I still have not been able to locate her or locate her rank. Does anyone know?

[murdershewrote]

so that means that she is living in housing on base...with her child?

[FMRUSMC]

so that means that she is living in housing on base...with her child?
not confimed but highly most likely - that's what 'confined to base ' means to me. the child don't know which sadly to say is going to end up being the 'real' victim in this.

[BeavisMom62]

I noticed this in the initial show tonight but replayed TIVO to verify. Most garages that are attached to houses are finished off by code. in the corner where the alledged homicide occurred there is the area of burnt orange paint thet appears to be painted over a garage white but the entire corner has no sheetrock for about 2 or 3 studs left or right. What happened to the sheetrock there. I am a former Marine and sorry I have attention to detail.

I noticed that too! I'm wondering if the pieces of sheet rock were removed by POS because of too much blood to paint over, by LE as evidence or was this area never finished? I find it hard to believe that just this piece wasn't finished.

[SeriouslySearching]

Good question, Beavismom.

[chiperoni]

I noticed that too! I'm wondering if the pieces of sheet rock were removed by POS because of too much blood to paint over, by LE as evidence or was this area never finished? I find it hard to believe that just this piece wasn't finished.

Me too. It's sticks out like a sore thumb. How obvious can you get? I'm sure LE could contact the former owner and find out if the sheet rock was missing.

[panthera]

I hadn't heard any news today until Nancy's show came on ~ and she said that Maria's throat was slit after death? Also that the concrete blocks weren't burned so he would've had to place them there after he burned her body, maybe to make it look like he was having a BBQ.

[JDB]

I noticed that too! I'm wondering if the pieces of sheet rock were removed by POS because of too much blood to paint over, by LE as evidence or was this area never finished? I find it hard to believe that just this piece wasn't finished.


CAlled Fire wood

[Mygirlsadie]

But she will get on post housing which is basically free with no utilities to pay so she will be fine. I wonder if she is still responsible for paying her mortgage on the hell hole house? Does the Marines have a website like the Army, it is called AKO you can type in the service members name and if they are in the Army all of their information will pop up.



Not only will they cut off his pay but Xtina was brought from reserve status to active duty status. She is now confined to base which means she is not getting as much pay because she is not entitled to 'housing allowance'. I still have not been able to locate her or locate her rank. Does anyone know?

[Ticamom]

But she will get on post housing which is basically free with no utilities to pay so she will be fine. I wonder if she is still responsible for paying her mortgage on the hell hole house? Does the Marines have a website like the Army, it is called AKO you can type in the service members name and if they are in the Army all of their information will pop up.

Maybe FMRUSMC knows and can inform us if something like that exists.

[Pharlap]

Originally Posted by BeavisMom62 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1940266#post1940266)
I noticed that too! I'm wondering if the pieces of sheet rock were removed by POS because of too much blood to paint over, by LE as evidence or was this area never finished? I find it hard to believe that just this piece wasn't finished.




Me too. It's sticks out like a sore thumb. How obvious can you get? I'm sure LE could contact the former owner and find out if the sheet rock was missing.

BM3, could be he removed it. Where did he put it, in the garbage? I would also think they wify had to know that was missing.:waitasec:

chiperoni. Hope they did contact the former owner, he could have some pic's of garage/house/yard and a answer if the sheet rock was there or not.

[nanandjim]

not confimed but highly most likely - that's what 'confined to base ' means to me. the child don't know which sadly to say is going to end up being the 'real' victim in this.
This is interesting because the news reports that I have heard have said that her child is being taken care of by relatives or, at least, that's how I interpreted it.

Perhaps, she is confined to the barracks. Is there a certain housing unit where individuals are basically on "house arrest?"

[believe09]

I hadn't heard any news today until Nancy's show came on ~ and she said that Maria's throat was slit after death? Also that the concrete blocks weren't burned so he would've had to place them there after he burned her body, maybe to make it look like he was having a BBQ.

Absolutely, otherwise why would he bother with that detail in the note to his wife? And I suspect that this is standard training for a Marine isn't it? When you are taking someone down you cut their throat...I am not being flip-I have known a few marines and talked about training methods.

I am certain the earth must have been pretty scorched, so he came up with the concrete blocks etc...cold man...

[STEADFAST]

question...does anybody know if he still keeps getting paid by the Marine Corp while he is "missing". His wife is going to come to the realization real soon that he isn't coming back here, unless in shackles, so she is stuck paying the mortgage, raising her child, etc. all by herself.

wonder what the pay policy is...he is still a Marine and hasn't been convicted yet.

My husband says that he will probably still be getting his pay until 30 days is up. They could put an early stop on it, but since he has a child, they probably won't. Most likely they are watching his bank account to see if Christina wires him money.
It is not very likely that Christina is living in base housing. It's privatized now on LeJeune, and so she would have to sign a lease with whatever private company owns it, and there are usually fairly long waiting lists. She would still be responsible for her mortgage payments on the house that they own. (Can you see calling your mortgage company saying you can't pay because one of you murdered someone and ran off to Mexico?)
Don't know what the set up is in the Marines, but in the Navy there is a certain barracks (TPU) where sailors stay when they are confined to base. If they break their restriction, then they are sent to the brig. If she is in a TPU-like barracks, her daughter is definitely not with her.

[panglossian]

This is one instance where I am glad, no, make that thankful, a father abandoned his child. Could you imagine if POS dragged his child along with him on his run from justice.

[Littledeer]

pang:

I agree. But the reason he didn't is because IMO that was discussed between him and X-Tina beforehand.

Honey, I'm splitting and going to Mexico, I want you to take care of the baby, and when the coast is clear and I'm not being wanted 24/7 in a year or two, you and the baby can come to Mexico and be with me.

[BeavisMom62]

pang:

I agree. But the reason he didn't is because IMO that was discussed between him and X-Tina beforehand.

Honey, I'm splitting and going to Mexico, I want you to take care of the baby, and when the coast is clear and I'm not being wanted 24/7 in a year or two, you and the baby can come to Mexico and be with me.

Could they seriously thought that would work? If that was the plan, why did Xtina turn in the note? Nothing about this case makes sense! :mad:

[panglossian]

pang:

I agree. But the reason he didn't is because IMO that was discussed between him and X-Tina beforehand.

Honey, I'm splitting and going to Mexico, I want you to take care of the baby, and when the coast is clear and I'm not being wanted 24/7 in a year or two, you and the baby can come to Mexico and be with me.

So, their deal to enable him to flee was she could keep the child with her. Maybe she'll meet someone else before she makes another blunder.

[Littledeer]

Well maybe X-Tina and CL figured if she turned in the note, she would be declared as a cooperating witness (which she has been) and they figured CL was/is smart enough to outwit LE and not be caught in the next year or two??

Who knows, your absolutely right that NOTHING MAKES SENSE in this case. It has more twists/turns and misleading information than any other case I've seen so far.

[Littledeer]

pang:

To add, except for the JonBonet Ramsey case as far as nothing making sense!

[BeavisMom62]

pang:

To add, except for the JonBonet Ramsey case as far as nothing making sense!

You're darn tootin'!! :clap:

[panglossian]

I get the feeling that a whole scenario is being purposely omitted in this case.

[BeavisMom62]

There is ALOT being omitted, IMO!

[Mygirlsadie]

It won't / wouldn't be long before he killed Christina and her daughter as well... Nobody is safe from psycho's!





This is one instance where I am glad, no, make that thankful, a father abandoned his child. Could you imagine if POS dragged his child along with him on his run from justice.

[chicoliving]

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