Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #11

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[Ticamom]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Could it be that Christina had a side job... say, as an interior decorator,
and was just too busy to notice the stuff Laurean was doing?

I mean with her talent, she had to have a sh*t load of clients
lined up and begging her to do their living rooms!


Ya think?


I thought the same thing, peace !:crazy:

[FMRUSMC]

Please let me introduce myself - I have been trying to get clearance to get on the boards for several days now - I feel like I already know everyone - Xtina was a USMCR up until the MC was made aware by LE. She was then called to active duty and confined to base after the POS fled. This presently is not good for her. I was stationed at Camp LeJeune for 3 years assigned to IIMEF. I lived off-base during my entire tour of duty there just off Gum Branch Rd. about 1 mile from the alledged scene of the crime. I will try to clear up any questions about MC SOP and bring up any questions I have observed from the facts already presented. Special thanks to Chico for getting my sign-on cleared up.

[Ticamom]

Welcome to websleuths FRMUSMC !:) So nice to have your input here.

Happy posting !

[SuziQ]

by Greta Van Susteren
Today we went to the scene of where the murder of Maria Lautherbach occurred…and we also walked around the back yard where her burned body was buried….check out the pics of this shoe….the other one was left inside the garage (per the crime scene pics) and this one was left outside…but what is curious about it is that it appears to have a substance on it that could be blood….we are not sure if it is blood or not….the Sheriff called for a warrant..and a police officer showed up with a warrant and seized the shoe…no doubt that shoe is at the crime scene lab tonight: (photos at link)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/21/look-what-we-saw-the-shoe-has-now-been-seized-pursuant-to-a-search-warrant/

[Old Bird]

I can only think of a few reasons to bring someone back on active duty, Besides sending reservists to Iraq (or a duty assignment of some sorts), retired or separated military members can be brought back in order to be subject to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).

My guess is that Christina is at the least confined to quarters on the base (don't want her to run off to join POS), and perhaps, (depending on what the facts are) even in ye olde brig.

I did hear a spokesperson say the other day that the military will choose to handle this case (Courts Martial/s), and not defer to civilian authorities for a civilian trial. Perhaps there is a Courts Martial in Christina's future. That possibility sure would be a reason to have her on active duty.

OB
USAF (Ret)

[panthera]

I tried to post this a few minutes ago, but server issues once again ~

There's an update to Gretawire with photos of the shoe found in Laurean's yard today.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)

[SuziQ]

Welcome FMR!!!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Please let me introduce myself - I have been trying to get clearance to get on the boards for several days now - I feel like I already know everyone - Xtina was a USMCR up until the MC was made aware by LE. She was then called to active duty and confined to base after the POS fled. This presently is not good for her. I was stationed at Camp LeJeune for 3 years assigned to IIMEF. I lived off-base during my entire tour of duty there just off Gum Branch Rd. about 1 mile from the alledged scene of the crime. I will try to clear up any questions about MC SOP and bring up any questions I have observed from the facts already presented. Special thanks to Chico for getting my sign-on cleared up.

Wonderful! Welcome to WS!

[FMRUSMC]

I can only think of a few reasons to bring someone back on active duty, Besides sending reservists to Iraq (or a duty assignment of some sorts), retired or separated military members can be brought back in order to be subject to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).

My guess is that Christina is at the least confined to quarters on the base (don't want her to run off to join POS), and perhaps, (depending on what the facts are) even in ye olde brig.

I did hear a spokesperson say the other day that the military will choose to handle this case (Courts Martial/s), and not defer to civilian authorities for a civilian trial. Perhaps there is a Courts Martial in Christina's future. That possibility sure would be a reason to have her on active duty.

OB
USAF (Ret)

Thanks everyone - my sources tell me Xtina is confined to base. I'm sure the MC didn't want anymore SNAFU's.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I can only think of a few reasons to bring someone back on active duty, Besides sending reservists to Iraq (or a duty assignment of some sorts), retired or separated military members can be brought back in order to be subject to the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice).

My guess is that Christina is at the least confined to quarters on the base (don't want her to run off to join POS), and perhaps, (depending on what the facts are) even in ye olde brig.

I did hear a spokesperson say the other day that the military will choose to handle this case (Courts Martial/s), and not defer to civilian authorities for a civilian trial. Perhaps there is a Courts Martial in Christina's future. That possibility sure would be a reason to have her on active duty.

OB
USAF (Ret)

OB,
Thanks to you, as well. So when the SO Captain mentioned sending info to her atty this weekend, would she have a military atty vs civilian, do you think?

[USMCWife]

Could it be that Christina had a side job... say, as an interior decorator,
and was just too busy to notice the stuff Laurean was doing?

I mean with her talent, she had to have a sh*t load of clients
lined up and begging her to do their living rooms!


Ya think?`

Hey now! We military families move so frickin' much that we don't have time to have a really established decorating scheme. :mad: lol - I'm kidding around, but it's true.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Thanks everyone - my sources tell me Xtina is confined to base. I'm sure the MC didn't want anymore SNAFU's.

Any idea if her daughter is/would be with her? I feel sorry for this little girl, too. Another needless victim in this disgusting crime.

[Seven]

Please let me introduce myself - I have been trying to get clearance to get on the boards for several days now - I feel like I already know everyone - Xtina was a USMCR up until the MC was made aware by LE. She was then called to active duty and confined to base after the POS fled. This presently is not good for her. I was stationed at Camp LeJeune for 3 years assigned to IIMEF. I lived off-base during my entire tour of duty there just off Gum Branch Rd. about 1 mile from the alledged scene of the crime. I will try to clear up any questions about MC SOP and bring up any questions I have observed from the facts already presented. Special thanks to Chico for getting my sign-on cleared up.

Welcome aboard, FMRUSMC! :)

I don't disapprove ....... in fact I heartily approve ..... I'm
just a little curious to find out who it was who gave you
the "clearance" to refer to another former marine as "POS"?! ;)

[peace9274]

Please let me introduce myself - I have been trying to get clearance to get on the boards for several days now - I feel like I already know everyone - Xtina was a USMCR up until the MC was made aware by LE. She was then called to active duty and confined to base after the POS fled. This presently is not good for her. I was stationed at Camp LeJeune for 3 years assigned to IIMEF. I lived off-base during my entire tour of duty there just off Gum Branch Rd. about 1 mile from the alledged scene of the crime. I will try to clear up any questions about MC SOP and bring up any questions I have observed from the facts already presented. Special thanks to Chico for getting my sign-on cleared up.

Welcome, FMRUSMC !! :)

I have a question that's been bothering me.

Could you look at this document and scroll down to # 18:

"Chritine reported to Sheriff's Office with legal counsel and with an active duty, USMC Master Sergeant , who had been in Christine's military chain of command, before she returned to civilian status."

Was Christine active MC and then went civilian, if so, when? ....
.... and then did she return back to active duty after the murder?

Or, after reading the document again, I'm wondering if maybe they're referring to the USMC Master Sergeant as "returning to civilian status."

Would you know this?

If so... thanx in advance (TIA) :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

ARE you LISTENING to this on Greta?~

[peace9274]

:doh: ... forgot to include the document... sorry




http://media.graytvinc.com/documents/Cell+Phone+Search+Warrant.pdf

TIA

[SuziQ]

ARE you LISTENING to this on Greta?~

I don't have cable, are you watching it? Anything interesting?

[FMRUSMC]

Any idea if her daughter is/would be with her? I feel sorry for this little girl, too. Another needless victim in this disgusting crime.
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In order to fulfill her duty at this point she has to report to duty. The care of her child is entirely up to her. There is on-base childcare but the list is a mile long. The MC may have promised her a move to the top of the list and move to active status so that she has a means of supporting herself for her co-operation. Greta is now on - new evidence is incredible.

[Ticamom]

Greta just showed a framed photo of POS and Xtina, but they took it off really fast. Could anyone take a photo of that if they air it again ? Maybe we'll finally get a pic of her ! TIA

[peace9274]

ARE you LISTENING to this on Greta?~

Sure am! :eek:

Also, I looked at the photo of the shoe.
I didn't see the blood, but I did see what looks
like a clump of blonde hair stuck to the sole. :furious:

Anyone else see it? :confused:

[panthera]

ARE you LISTENING to this on Greta?~
I'm watching!! :)

[panthera]

Huh? Dr. Baden saying a fire will fracture a skull much like a tire iron? :confused:

[DEPUTYDAWG]

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In order to fulfill her duty at this point she has to report to duty. The care of her child is entirely up to her. There is on-base childcare but the list is a mile long. The MC may have promised her a move to the top of the list and move to active status so that she has a means of supporting herself for her co-operation. Greta is now on - new evidence is incredible.

Thanks for your response.
Yes, I missed the first 10 minutes, but this is so very interesting on Greta...

[peace9274]

Greta just showed a framed photo of POS and Xtina, but they took it off really fast. Could anyone take a photo of that if they air it again ? Maybe we'll finally get a pic of her ! TIA

OMG, really? I was busy typing!!! :mad:

What did she look like?

[chiperoni]

So, is civillian LE going to be out of the picture too? The sheriff was with Greta looking at the shoe, and I assume the LE investigators have already gathered a lot of evidence. I'm surprised that the marine captain accompanied Greta through the crime scene on TV. I guess they want to keep this crime in the spotlight so that CL will be caught.

[Tom'sGirl]

Greta just showed a framed photo of POS and Xtina, but they took it off really fast. Could anyone take a photo of that if they air it again ? Maybe we'll finally get a pic of her ! TIA
No way to do a ScreenCap unless the video is shown on the net!

[panthera]

OMG, really? I was busy typing!!! :mad:

What did she look like?
I missed it too. :(

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Sure am! :eek:

Also, I looked at the photo of the shoe.
I didn't see the blood, but I did see what looks
like a clump of blonde hair stuck to the sole. :furious:

Anyone else see it? :confused:

I saw it, Peace. I thought it looked like a clump of dog hair (like yellow lab or something; more fuzzy than human hair. Oh, I hope.)

[peace9274]

So, is civillian LE going to be out of the picture too? The sheriff was with Greta looking at the shoe, and I assume the LE investigators have already gathered a lot of evidence. I'm surprised that the marine captain accompanied Greta through the crime scene on TV. I guess they want to keep this crime in the spotlight so that CL will be caught.

Or they're giving more info and more photos, so media won't try to get past the crime scene tape and get photos of their own!

[Ticamom]

No way to do a ScreenCap unless the video is shown on the net!

Is it possible with a cellphone camera ?

[SuziQ]

Sure am! :eek:

Also, I looked at the photo of the shoe.
I didn't see the blood, but I did see what looks
like a clump of blonde hair stuck to the sole. :furious:

Anyone else see it? :confused:

I'm hoping that blonde hair is dog hair or something. The dark stains on the bottom of the shoe, the brownish red color looks like blood to me. (past experience with sons shoes used hunting) It definitely doesn't look like paint.

[peace9274]

I saw it, Peace. I thought it looked like a clump of dog hair (like yellow lab or something; more fuzzy than human hair. Oh, I hope.)


Didn't neighbor say that the Laurean's had a poodle-like dog?
(Curly dog hair?)

(Actually, I'm blonde and it looks like what I pull out of my brush sometimes!)

[Tom'sGirl]

Is it possible with a cellphone camera ?
Are you talking about photographing the TV screen :confused:

[DEPUTYDAWG]

To add to the timeline:

Moved to Sgt. Durham's house, off-base, on November 5th.

Awww, a few flowers in the front of the house now, in memory of Maria.

[panthera]

I saw it, Peace. I thought it looked like a clump of dog hair (like yellow lab or something; more fuzzy than human hair. Oh, I hope.)
I agree. It didn't look like Maria's hair.

[panthera]

Didn't neighbor say that the Laurean's had a poodle-like dog?
(Curly dog hair?)

(Actually, I'm blonde and it looks like what I pull out of my brush sometimes!)
Yes I think the dog's a poodle/mix. The hair on the shoe looked like hair that had been on the floor and walked on, like at a salon where it'd be on the floor so it probably was from the dog.

Neighbors being shown now. CL had his uniform on when he left that morning?

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm hoping that blonde hair is dog hair or something. The dark stains on the bottom of the shoe, the brownish red color looks like blood to me. (past experience with sons shoes used hunting) It definitely doesn't look like paint.
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[FMRUSMC]

Welcome aboard, FMRUSMC! :)

I don't disapprove ....... in fact I heartily approve ..... I'm
just a little curious to find out who it was who gave you
the "clearance" to refer to another former marine as "POS"?! ;)

I don't need clearance from the MC to state anything anymore. All of my security clearances have expired. I am now a full civilian. I do not refer to the 'stellar' Cpl. as a 'Piece of S***' but as a 'Person Of Suspect.' I promise you every Marine I know wants to go after him. I am in tears typing this because of all the negatives on every Marine that died for this country which now includes LCpl. Marie Lauterbach. My condolences go out to her family, her Marine colleges, and her friends.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Didn't neighbor say that the Laurean's had a poodle-like dog?
(Curly dog hair?)

(Actually, I'm blonde and it looks like what I pull out of my brush sometimes!)

Okay, I think that it's the dog hair then.
haha re your hairbrush. I swear I shed so much, it's amazing I have any hair left on my head. :crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't need clearance from the MC to state anything anymore. All of my security clearances have expired. I am now a full civilian. I do not refer to the 'stellar' Cpl. as a 'Piece of S***' but as a 'Person Of Suspect.' I promise you every Marine I know wants to go after him. I am in tears typing this because of all the negatives on every Marine that died for this country which now includes LCpl. Marie Lauterbach. My condolences go out to her family, her Marine colleges, and her friends.
Bless you. You are a rare breed and I applaud you.

[SeriouslySearching]

Has noone been watching Greta?! Wow! Amazing show which answers some but not all questions. It is very enlightening tho.

[peace9274]

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Well, after looking again.... my hair is a little nicer than that! Sometimes.

Ahhhh, I see the blood now.

(Before, I was busy looking at the little ball on the shoe's tread, that I thought he was pointing at. :crazy: )

[SeriouslySearching]

First of January is when Cesar came into play for the Sheriff.

[Old Bird]

Hi FMRUSMC & welcome!

No, agree -- NO more SNAFUs. It's bad enough as it is.


DeputyDawg,

You asked about attorneys. A military person can hire a civilian attorney at his/her own expense. The normal is that the JAG's office (works thru the military legal chain-of-command and for the Base Commander) handles the investigation (with the investigative agencies) & prosecution of a case while independent (not assigned to the Base Commander) attorneys assigned to the base called the Area Defense Counsel (ADC) handle representation of accused military members. At least that is what I am used to in the Air Force -- I think the Navy/USMC has the same set-up.

If I fail at reply to a post it because I can't log in. Trust me, I will try to reply!

OB

[peace9274]

I thought Ed Brown said he wasn't going to speak to anyone in the media until Laurean is found!!!
I gotta say.... his demeanor has changed for the better!

[SeriouslySearching]

Come on...get on topic!

[FMRUSMC]

Yes I think the dog's a poodle/mix. The hair on the shoe looked like hair that had been on the floor and walked on, like at a salon where it'd be on the floor so it probably was from the dog.

Neighbors being shown now. CL had his uniform on when he left that morning?

yes, i caught this which would explain his checking in to the Microtel in R/Durham to change clothes. Christina may have thought he was going to work. The clerk at the Microtel reported he parked in the rear out of view of cameras of the truck.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

yay! Mark Fuhrman coming up!

[SuziQ]

lol, from what I can glean from the Gretawire comments, the divining rod is being discussed. That it was used to detect disturbed earth. Well after looking at the sloppy job CL did on that lawn, a divining rod wasn't necessary!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

lol, from what I can glean from the Gretawire comments, the divining rod is being discussed. That it was used to detect disturbed earth. Well after looking at the sloppy job CL did on that lawn, a divining rod wasn't necessary!

LOL. Really. Sloppy is such the correct word.

[SeriouslySearching]

I had a sneezing fit...what did Greta come up with in the last segment with Mark?

[FMRUSMC]

Come on...get on topic!

I'm trying to - in Greta's report - they report luminol indicates 'blood splatter patterns' on the ceiling in the garage. Could this be back splatter. This is why they believe everything to be committed there. Mark Furman has a very good theory on this. They are now saying Christina didn't return home til 7.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Old Bird,

Thanks for your response on the legal jurisdiction/atty feedback. Eeeek.

[FMRUSMC]

lol, from what I can glean from the Gretawire comments, the divining rod is being discussed. That it was used to detect disturbed earth. Well after looking at the sloppy job CL did on that lawn, a divining rod wasn't necessary!


Hey guys, not to be rude but this is Onslow County.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know that I want to know what she is going to say about our boy from Oklahoma.

[peace9274]

I agree, yayyy for Mark F.
Sounds as though he has some of the same theories we've discussed.

(BTW Brought over from the end of thread # 10)

Could it be that Christina had a side job... say, as an interior decorator,
and was just too busy to notice the stuff Laurean was doing?

I mean with her decorating talent, she had to have a sh*t load
of clients lined up and begging her to do their living rooms! :rolleyes:


Ya think?

[panthera]

I'm trying to - in Greta's report - they report luminol indicates 'blood splatter patterns' on the ceiling in the garage. Could this be back splatter. This is why they believe everything to be committed there. Mark Furman has a very good theory on this. They are now saying Christina didn't return home til 7.
Welcome! :) I like Mark's theory too. I do believe Maria was lured over there to his house. I wonder if there's any cooberation on the time Christina returned home, like others at the party saying when she left?

[panthera]

I agree, yayyy for Mark F.
Sounds as though he has some of the same theories we've discussed.

(BTW Brought over from the end of thread # 10)

Could it be that Christina had a side job... say, as an interior decorator,
and was just too busy to notice the stuff Laurean was doing?

I mean with her decorating talent, she had to have a sh*t load
of clients lined up and begging her to do their living rooms! :rolleyes:


Ya think?
OMG ~ you have to be kidding, right? The vacuum in the living room sure is the hallmark of an interior decorator's touch! (Along with all the other "stuff" in the room with the mismatched sofas!) :)

[gardenmom]

Did anyone mention that the match to the shoe was located in a garage picture? That rules out that it was thrown there by a neighbor.

The other thing I caught was that Christina went to the base command BEFORE she called the police. That could account for the time she spent from the time she found the letter to the time she went to police.

[SeriouslySearching]

Don't knock a Sheriff that uses a "rod". I think it is very much "forward" thinking, imo.

[FMRUSMC]

I have to admit, I had Chistina totally convicted until tonight with Greta. Thank God for her. I have now have Greta, 360, and NG set for record until Gomer is caught.

[SeriouslySearching]

Did anyone mention that the match to the shoe was located in a garage picture? That rules out that it was thrown there by a neighbor.

The other thing I caught was that Christina went to the base command BEFORE she called the police. That could account for the time she spent from the time she found the letter to the time she went to police.I always knew she went to Base Command first. She didn't call 911...which means to me she was NOT afraid of him in any way.

[STEADFAST]

Yes, just trying to figure out why they recalled her...to protect her (and them) ... or to keep some type of jurisdiction over her, not-so-much for her own good/protection. Does that make sense? Is it really to benefit her, or does it benefit them more? (ability to obtain statements/information from her and her atty, etc.)

That's what I'm wondering. As an active-duty soldier, she wouldn't have to give more information than a civilian would, nor would her attorney -- she still has the right to remain silent, if she chooses. However, they can certainly restrict her freedom of movement to whatever degree they see fit.

[SeriouslySearching]

OMG! Duh! Come ON, Greta! Our Oklahoma boy would be now truly "missing" then wouldn't he?!

[peace9274]

Did anyone mention that the match to the shoe was located in a garage picture? That rules out that it was thrown there by a neighbor.

The other thing I caught was that Christina went to the base command BEFORE she called the police. That could account for the time she spent from the time she found the letter to the time she went to police.


Plus, as that legal document says... (#18) ... she went with "legal counsel and a USMC Master Sergeant" ... which means she had to contact them, explain her story, and then wait for them to arrive to go with her.

[gardenmom]

I always knew she went to Base Command first. She didn't call 911...which means to me she was NOT afraid of him in any way.

Sorry, I guess I missed that part.

Another thing, wasn't it reported that Laurean bought more shovels from Lowes? The police interview only said paint, concrete blocks and wheel barrow.

PS Watching Nancy Grace right now, and the music is very annoying!

[SeriouslySearching]

FMRUSMC~ I can't believe you watched ALL of Greta and decided honestly she knew nothing or did nothing. WTF?!

[Ticamom]

Do they repeat Greta one more time later on tonite or in the AM hours ? Does anyone know the schedule ? I would like to tape it if I can.

[SeriouslySearching]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: OMG ~ you have to be kidding, right? The vacuum in the living room sure is the hallmark of an interior decorator's touch! (Along with all the other "stuff" in the room with the mismatched sofas!) :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Do they repeat Greta one more time later on tonite or in the AM hours ? Does anyone know the schedule ? I would like to tape it if I can.Yes and here it is 55 minutes.

[FMRUSMC]

Welcome! :) I like Mark's theory too. I do believe Maria was lured over there to his house. I wonder if there's any cooberation on the time Christina returned home, like others at the party saying when she left?

She was either lurred or adbucted and taped and then removed in the garage. There is no mention yet of being bound. Mark's theory of buying a bus ticket, running off to El Paso together while Christina is gone makes the best sense I,ve seen. I have to sleep on that theory.

[SuziQ]

Don't knock a Sheriff that uses a "rod". I think it is very much "forward" thinking, imo.

I'm not "knocking" the divining rod. I'm just saying it wasn't necessary. It's quite obvious where disturbed earth was.

[peace9274]

Do they repeat Greta one more time later on tonite or in the AM hours ? Does anyone know the schedule ? I would like to tape it if I can.

I'm on the East Coast.
Greta comes on at 10 PM, and again (repeat of 10 PM show) at 1:00 AM.

[gardenmom]

How do you think the Lowes shopping trip went down? I'm thinking she was already buried in the fire pit area. We know he had a friend go with him. I'm thinking a buddy was over, or he called the buddy and asked him to go with him. They probably went in the truck. So, either Larean dropped the friend off, or he went home with him. If the guy went home with him then it is probable that the buddy helped Larean move the cement blocks from the truck to the back yard. I'd be willing to bet that if the friend came back to the house, not only did he help Laurean carry the blocks, but probably helped place them where they were found.

[SeriouslySearching]

Just because Greta didn't cover the things I wanted her to ask...doesn't mean I didn't glean from her the things I wanted. I think decidedly that Christina was a player somewhere along the line. I can't wait until Cesar is caught because he will shed some light on the entire murder.

[Ticamom]

Yes and here it is 55 minutes.



Thanks SS !:)

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm not "knocking" the divining rod. I'm just saying it wasn't necessary. It is quite obvious where disturbed earth was.While it was "disturbed" earth...he was making sure of what he felt was buried there beneath it. And it proved him correct. I applaud him for the test of sorts.

Maybe this should be a tool they work with. For Gosh sakes...whatever it takes to find our missing!

[Tom'sGirl]

Did anyone mention that the match to the shoe was located in a garage picture?
Yes, in this photo
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[Ticamom]

I'm on the East Coast.
Greta comes on at 10 PM, and again (repeat of 10 PM show) at 1:00 AM.


Thanks Peace ! :)

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Plus, as that legal document says... (#18) ... she went with "legal counsel and a USMC Master Sergeant" ... which means she had to contact them, explain her story, and then wait for them to arrive to go with her.

She went with hubby to their lawyers the day before, correct?
Has it been said if it were civilian or military?
In any event, the legal relationship was already established.
Therefore, IMO, it's not a huge stretch to think that she would contact her legal representation after she found his note that morning, rather than calling 911. Just a thought... I'm not saying whether that was right or wrong.

Also, at least in LE agencies I'm aware of, officers are supposed to notify their chain of command if he/she is aware that it may bring tarnish against the agency. Most of the time when we've had officers in legal trouble, they will try to notify their supervisor first. Not all the time, but I'd say more than 50% of the time, they have done this.

I am not sticking up for Christina or saying this is why she had the delay; rather, just thoughts as to what her legal counsel may have advised her the day before, etc. More food for thought, really.

[panthera]

Do they repeat Greta one more time later on tonite or in the AM hours ? Does anyone know the schedule ? I would like to tape it if I can.
She's on again @ 1:00am ET :)

[SeriouslySearching]

Great job, TG. So where was the other shoe? And HOW did it end up there?

[SuziQ]

lol, from what I can glean from the Gretawire comments, the divining rod is being discussed. That it was used to detect disturbed earth. Well after looking at the sloppy job CL did on that lawn, a divining rod wasn't necessary!

SS, I was responding to Greta wire comments that was supposedly made on her show tonight. I was not responding to any other use for the divining rod. I have no opinion as to whether it's useful or not, except to say it can't hurt.

[FMRUSMC]

FMRUSMC~ I can't believe you watched ALL of Greta and decided honestly she knew nothing or did nothing. WTF?!

I didn't decide that honestly - she was missing for 7 hours - that is plenty of time to commit a crime of this sort and do an 'initial' cover up. Maria was released at 12 noon as well. What is her activity between 12 and 5 at the ATM. The command she is with is new and she really isn't imbedded with a whole lot of friends but she probably has some. She wouldn't have been drinking because with child the other Marines would have scoulded her.

[Jaded]

She went with hubby to their lawyers the day before, correct?
Has it been said if it were civilian or military?
In any event, the legal relationship was already established.
Therefore, IMO, it's not a huge stretch to think that she would contact her legal representation after she found his note that morning, rather than calling 911. Just a thought... I'm not saying whether that was right or wrong.

Also, at least in LE agencies I'm aware of, officers are supposed to notify their chain of command if he/she is aware that it may bring tarnish against the agency. Most of the time when we've had officers in legal trouble, they will try to notify their supervisor first. Not all the time, but I'd say more than 50% of the time, they have done this.

I am not sticking up for Christina or saying this is why she had the delay; rather, just thoughts as to what her legal counsel may have advised her the day before, etc. More food for thought, really.

They went to the office of Mark Raynor. He is a local Jville attorney - civilian. I actually used to work for Mr. Raynor when I lived in Jville.

[SeriouslySearching]

If I found that my husband possibly killed a woman and buried her...I would be scared to death even if he said she committed suicide. I would NOT have had to decide where to go with the information. I would be scared!! I would be at home OFF BASE alone with a baby. I would NOT call Dad, an Atty, and then go to the Base to tell them what was going on. No freaking way. I would dial 911.

[raisincharlie]

She went with hubby to their lawyers the day before, correct?
Has it been said if it were civilian or military?
In any event, the legal relationship was already established.
Therefore, IMO, it's not a huge stretch to think that she would contact her legal representation after she found his note that morning, rather than calling 911. Just a thought... I'm not saying whether that was right or wrong.

Also, at least in LE agencies I'm aware of, officers are supposed to notify their chain of command if he/she is aware that it may bring tarnish against the agency. Most of the time when we've had officers in legal trouble, they will try to notify their supervisor first. Not all the time, but I'd say more than 50% of the time, they have done this.

I am not sticking up for Christina or saying this is why she had the delay; rather, just thoughts as to what her legal counsel may have advised her the day before, etc. More food for thought, really.

The attorney that Christina went with Laurean to see was a civilian attorney in Jacksonville - Mark Raynor. This attorney supposedly told him after hearing the story that he would be facing the death penalty.

[gardenmom]

Yes I think the dog's a poodle/mix. The hair on the shoe looked like hair that had been on the floor and walked on, like at a salon where it'd be on the floor so it probably was from the dog.

Neighbors being shown now. CL had his uniform on when he left that morning?

I knew I forgot something! Yes, he had his uniform on and the sheriff said he went to work that morning and that he checked out early. Hmm, so what would have happened if Christina had found the note a little earlier and alerted the base command while he was still there? Lucky for him she slept in a little.:liar:

[FMRUSMC]

She went with hubby to their lawyers the day before, correct?
Has it been said if it were civilian or military?
In any event, the legal relationship was already established.
Therefore, IMO, it's not a huge stretch to think that she would contact her legal representation after she found his note that morning, rather than calling 911. Just a thought... I'm not saying whether that was right or wrong.

Also, at least in LE agencies I'm aware of, officers are supposed to notify their chain of command if he/she is aware that it may bring tarnish against the agency. Most of the time when we've had officers in legal trouble, they will try to notify their supervisor first. Not all the time, but I'd say more than 50% of the time, they have done this.

I am not sticking up for Christina or saying this is why she had the delay; rather, just thoughts as to what her legal counsel may have advised her the day before, etc. More food for thought, really.

DEPUTYDAWG,
I totally agree.

[Ticamom]

Thanks Panthera ! :)



One shoe was in the garage and the other was in the backyard. I couldn't believe that LE didn't find them on their initial search of the property. Another thing that surprised me is seeing the wheelbarrow in the yard. I wonder if it was tested for dna ?

[DEPUTYDAWG]

They went to the office of Mark Raynor. He is a local Jville attorney - civilian. I actually used to work for Mr. Raynor when I lived in Jville.

Thanks, I hadn't caught that detail earlier.

[raisincharlie]

I didn't decide that honestly - she was missing for 7 hours - that is plenty of time to commit a crime of this sort and do an 'initial' cover up. Maria was released at 12 noon as well. What is her activity between 12 and 5 at the ATM. The command she is with is new and she really isn't imbedded with a whole lot of friends but she probably has some. She wouldn't have been drinking because with child the other Marines would have scoulded her.


From the looks of that garage, it wasn't used for parking vehicles. There is a very good possibility that Christina was not in the habit of going out to the garage. Perhaps there was nothing of significance in the house for her to see. It seems quite possible there was nothing for her to see and if she wasn't in the habit of checking out the garage, no reason for her to look in the garage at all. The body could have been left in place for a while and she might not even notice it then.

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't decide that honestly - she was missing for 7 hours - that is plenty of time to commit a crime of this sort and do an 'initial' cover up. Maria was released at 12 noon as well. What is her activity between 12 and 5 at the ATM. The command she is with is new and she really isn't imbedded with a whole lot of friends but she probably has some. She wouldn't have been drinking because with child the other Marines would have scoulded her.At 2:30 pm she talked to her "Mom". The only other person to say she was alive was at 5:00 pm when she bought the bus ticket to El Paso. Cesar says he was with her at the time.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

The attorney that Christina went with Laurean to see was a civilian attorney in Jacksonville - Mark Raynor. This attorney supposedly told him after hearing the story that he would be facing the death penalty.


:blowkiss: Hi!

Well, was I the only one who hadn't caught this detail before? Ahhhh, forgive me. I didn't really start following this case until yesterday.

Mr. Raynor gave CL good advice, I'd say. (Well, other than the local DA supposedly coming to agreement with Mexico that CL wouldn't face the DP if he were returned from Mexico. Grrrrrr, since it's too early to agree to that, IMO.)

P.S. Good to see you!

[gardenmom]

Yes, in this photo
http://i29.tinypic.com/2qdsiyu.jpg

I think I see it. Do you have a way of circling it or putting an arrow over it for those who didn't watch to see what we are talking about?

[Tom'sGirl]

Great job, TG. So where was the other shoe? And HOW did it end up there?
I posted the photo links here
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1929546&postcount=36

[DEPUTYDAWG]

sorry for all my duplicate posts....grrrr, server issues.

[Tom'sGirl]

I think I see it. Do you have a way of circling it or putting an arrow over it for those who didn't watch to see what we are talking about?
It's got a 'glob' of goop on it and it's almost in front of the green little box thing next to the wall.

ETA: Here's the cropped portion
http://i31.tinypic.com/27wruq8.jpg

[FMRUSMC]

:blowkiss: Hi!

Well, was I the only one who hadn't caught this detail before? Ahhhh, forgive me. I didn't really start following this case until yesterday.

Mr. Raynor gave CL good advice, I'd say. (Well, other than the local DA supposedly coming to agreement with Mexico that CL wouldn't face the DP if he were returned from Mexico. Grrrrrr, since it's too early to agree to that, IMO.)

P.S. Good to see you!
Everyone seems to be concerned about extradition and the DP. This POS belongs to the USMC first of all - his treatment there will be much harsher there - I promise you.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Everyone seems to be concerned about extradition and the DP. This POS belongs to the USMC first of all - his treatment there will be much harsher there - I promise you.

That would be fine with me :rolleyes:

[FMRUSMC]

from Greta:
'alot of positive indicators of luminol were in the garage'
'the greatest volumn was in the garage.'

[SuziQ]

The brand of shoes are Adios. I had ask my 13 year old about the logo. Did Greta say they were mens shoes? They look like womens to me.

[philamena]

edited-At first I thought they were women's shoes. After looking at the pictures again, I think they're men's shoes.

[FMRUSMC]

I noticed this in the initial show tonight but replayed TIVO to verify. Most garages that are attached to houses are finished off by code. in the corner where the alledged homicide occurred there is the area of burnt orange paint thet appears to be painted over a garage white but the entire corner has no sheetrock for about 2 or 3 studs left or right. What happened to the sheetrock there. I am a former Marine and sorry I have attention to detail.

[SuziQ]

Good eye, I thought it was access to storage or something. Now looking at it...It looks to be missing.

[FMRUSMC]

edited-At first I thought they were women's shoes. After looking at the pictures again, I think they're men's shoes.

I just TIVO's this again to speculate this possibilty. - I want this guy caught.

[KR2tonenow]

I tried to post this a few minutes ago, but server issues once again ~

There's an update to Gretawire with photos of the shoe found in Laurean's yard today.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/ (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)

Greta was great with the facts tonite! However, why did they just now find the shoe??

[FMRUSMC]

Good eye, I thought it was access to storage or something. Now looking at it...It looks to be missing.

SQ,
Something's missing.
Does not look right to me.
They say luminol was not done on the wheelbarrow because weather related issues could have hindered.

[FMRUSMC]

edited-At first I thought they were women's shoes. After looking at the pictures again, I think they're men's shoes.

this appears to be a size 10 or 11 men's shoe from the video.

[SuziQ]

SQ,
Something's missing.
Does not look right to me.
They say luminol was not done on the wheelbarrow because weather related issues could have hindered.

Why not just do luminol anyways?

[Tom'sGirl]

Good eye, I thought it was access to storage or something. Now looking at it...It looks to be missing.
Are you talking about this shot???? http://i29.tinypic.com/b5r9cx.jpg
I'm confused on what you guys are looking at :confused:

[FMRUSMC]

More detail from the garage that I have noticed:

The corner where the detectives noted:

the garage is unfinished but sheet-rocked - this is unfinished sheetrock to the left with the seems white and spots on top of the sheetrock but not painted in any fashion - to the right is a totally painted white wall with burnt orange appearing to be painted for testing - this appears to be the same color as in the living room. As a fmr, did he go to Lowe's to buy paint that appears to be that of 'dried blood' to paint over everything in the garage and then used it in the living

[philamena]

I just TIVO's this again to speculate this possibilty. - I want this guy caught.
Welcome FMRUSMC!
All of us want him caught. Can I ask you something?
IF he's found in Mexico do you think the US will be able to bring him back?

[FMRUSMC]

Why not just do luminol anyways?

I totally agree.

[Tom'sGirl]

I noticed this in the initial show tonight but replayed TIVO to verify. Most garages that are attached to houses are finished off by code. in the corner where the alledged homicide occurred there is the area of burnt orange paint thet appears to be painted over a garage white but the entire corner has no sheetrock for about 2 or 3 studs left or right. What happened to the sheetrock there. I am a former Marine and sorry I have attention to detail.
My daughter's garage is attached to their house and it's not totally all plaster board either. In fact they have no entry from their garage directly into the house, but rather a door leading out to the back near their back door entry to the house.

[philamena]

omgosh...I'd say you hit bingo.
That has to be it........he bougfht paint that would match and cover blood. What a creep.

[FMRUSMC]

Welcome FMRUSMC!
All of us want him caught. Can I ask you something?
IF he's found in Mexico do you think the US will be able to bring him back?

Like I said earlier, the USMC wants him more than anyone. Once he is caught, at this point it is only a UA (unauthorized absence), pending AWOL (Absence WithOut Leave). After 45 days he is considered a deserter. If this is done during a time of declared war, it is punishable by d****. I do not know how Congress officially voted and how this was is defined but yes he is not a civilian he is property of the government.

[Seven]

I saw Greta a couple hours ago, so whoever watches or tapes at the top of the hour .... could you confirm or deny this said by Sheriff Brown .........?

Brown did look very relaxed, didnt appear flustered at all (this is when they were back inside the Sheriff's office) and, in answer to a question from G, B said that the first he became aware of Laurean was right around the first of the year, that some of his investigators had been sent to the base to interview Laurean (I guess that was when CL asked to have a lawyer present and didn't answer any questions).

Then B said CL had an appointment w/him on Thursday 1/10/8, but never called, never showed up.

Brown's office called the base Friday morning 1/11 and was told that Cesar was "checked out for the day" and that they would bring Christina in to see Brown.

Later, Christina arrived at the Sheriff's office, accompanied by an NCIS officer.

I can't watch again at the top of the hour, so I'll sheck back later to see if anyone saw it! :)

Thx,
Seven

[Tom'sGirl]

More detail from the garage that I have noticed:

The corner where the detectives noted:

the garage is unfinished but sheet-rocked - this is unfinished sheetrock to the left with the seems white and spots on top of the sheetrock but not painted in any fashion - to the right is a totally painted white wall with burnt orange appearing to be painted for testing - this appears to be the same color as in the living room. As a fmr, did he go to Lowe's to buy paint that appears to be that of 'dried blood' to paint over everything in the garage and then used it in the living

I'm fairly familiar with painting contractors so know that undercoat/primer would have covered any blood stains prior to painting even a light color.

[FMRUSMC]

omgosh...I'd say you hit bingo.
That has to be it........he bougfht paint that would match and cover blood. What a creep.

dried blood - man I will tell you the MC teaches you attention to detail - that is why I have been crying to get everything cleared to get on the boards. - the paint color on the back wall behind the sofa in the living closely resembles that of dried blood - before I became a Marine my Dad was a Mortician - sorry to upset everyone - we talked several times before his passing about this same thing. - there is evidence of 'back splatter at this point on the garage ceiling.

[USMCWife]

I don't need clearance from the MC to state anything anymore. All of my security clearances have expired. I am now a full civilian. I do not refer to the 'stellar' Cpl. as a 'Piece of S***' but as a 'Person Of Suspect.' I promise you every Marine I know wants to go after him. I am in tears typing this because of all the negatives on every Marine that died for this country which now includes LCpl. Marie Lauterbach. My condolences go out to her family, her Marine colleges, and her friends.

Thank you for this post, FMRUSMC...I get so bothered seeing how people who know nothing about the Marine Corps suddenly want to slam it. A Marine Corps murder gets publicized and some people start overlooking all this particular branch of service has done for this country. It's sickening and shameful.

The New York Times produced a slanderous article this past week, this murder happened, all while our Marines are still stinging from the blow of things like Haditha. Morale is so low, right now, and this is not helping.

Welcome, by the way! Glad to have someone else here that can help answer Marine Corps questions. I'm not much of a sea lawyer wife who thinks I know my husband's business better than he does. lol - I'm sure a lot here will have some good questions for you. :)

[philamena]

Like I said earlier, the USMC wants him more than anyone. Once he is caught, at this point it is only a UA (unauthorized absence), pending AWOL (Absence WithOut Leave). After 45 days he is considered a deserter. If this is done during a time of declared war, it is punishable by d****. I do not know how Congress officially voted and how this was is defined but yes he is not a civilian he is property of the government.

Again, thanks for the explanation.
(I didn't refresh the page so I missed your earlier comment about this very subject. :blushing: )

[philamena]

dried blood - man I will tell you the MC teaches you attention to detail - that is why I have been crying to get everything cleared to get on the boards. - the paint color on the back wall behind the sofa in the living closely resembles that of dried blood - before I became a Marine my Dad was a Mortician - sorry to upset everyone - we talked several times before his passing about this same thing. - there is evidence of 'back splatter at this point on the garage ceiling.

We are SO glad you got here; now don't leave us. lol

[FMRUSMC]

I'm fairly familiar with painting contractors so know that undercoat/primer would have covered any blood stains prior to painting even a light color.

I am talking about a garage that has been sheetrocked but not finished. It has been taped but not painted. this garage has this and the nail holes have been touched. the corner where the LE says the actual attack and eventual d**** occurred has been painted totally white from top to bottom and then the paint color I mentioned painted in a HGTV fashion as to put a paint swatch up. there has been a total sheetrock removal from the same corner.

[FMRUSMC]

We are SO glad you got here; now don't leave us. lol

Believe me, until Gomer is caught, my Marine network will not leave.

[SuziQ]

FMR, what do you think is on the bottom of the shoe?

[USMCWife]

I watched Greta earlier and I'm watching a replay of Nancy Grace, right now. Geez, I'm not too fond of Nancy's coverage because it seems like it's more speculation where Greta seems to be looking for facts. Greta's show earlier was GREAT - if they put it online somewhere, whoever hasn't seen it should.

And I WILL knock the sherriff for the divining rods...wtf?! I couldn't help but laugh. Greta just sounded like she was thinking, "Ooooookay..."

I thought the same thing about the rust-colored paint that FMRUSMC did when I saw that first photo of the garage with the different-colored paint on the wall. Looks like they were experimenting with paint to see which would cover up the stains.

I still don't see any evidence that Christina was involved. I'm still waiting on positive evidence and haven't seen anything yet that directly points to her having a hand in it. Someone on NG just brought up the point that SUPPOSEDLY Christina called Maria a "b*tch"...Well, if some woman was cheating with my husband knowing he was married, I'd probably call her the same thing if I saw her. That doesn't mean I would kill her or take part in covering up her murder.

[Seven]

I don't need clearance from the MC to state anything anymore. All of my security clearances have expired. I am now a full civilian. I do not refer to the 'stellar' Cpl. as a 'Piece of S***' but as a 'Person Of Suspect.' I promise you every Marine I know wants to go after him. I am in tears typing this because of all the negatives on every Marine that died for this country which now includes LCpl. Marie Lauterbach. My condolences go out to her family, her Marine colleges, and her friends.

Excellent answer, FMRUSMC ...... and I hope you know I was teasing because you wrote that you'd been "trying to get clearance to get on the boards for several days now." :blowkiss:

I was interested in what you said about the sheet rock in the garage, because I dont think that's been pointed out before. Are you thinking some was missing/torn down to destroy blood evidence? Or what?

[Seven]

. . . I still don't see any evidence that Christina was involved. I'm still waiting on positive evidence and haven't seen anything yet that directly points to her having a hand in it. Someone on NG just brought up the point that SUPPOSEDLY Christina called Maria a "b*tch"...Well, if some woman was cheating with my husband knowing he was married, I'd probably call her the same thing if I saw her. That doesn't mean I would kill her or take part in covering up her murder.

Maria was cheating w/xtina's husband? :confused:

I thought CL told his wife he "never had sex with that woman," and that Maria had Protective Orders against CL and had reported him for raping her!

[Tom'sGirl]

I am talking about a garage that has been sheetrocked but not finished. It has been taped but not painted. this garage has this and the nail holes have been touched. the corner where the LE says the actual attack and eventual d**** occurred has been painted totally white from top to bottom and then the paint color I mentioned painted in a HGTV fashion as to put a paint swatch up. there has been a total sheetrock removal from the same corner.
It may never have been there to begin with, looks like there's utility peg board to the right of the bare studs which many have in a garage.

[USMCWife]

Maria was cheating w/xtina's husband? :confused:

I thought CL told his wife he "never had sex with that woman," and that Maria had Protective Orders against CL and had reported him for raping her!

That was just an example I was using...I should have said, "If someone accused my husband of rape" and my husband swore that it was not true and I actually believed him, then YES - I absolutely would call that girl quite a few choice names if given the opportunity. That's wrecking someone's whole career and from what Christina knew, her husband was a stellar Marine.

I'm not ruling out the possibility of an affair between CL and Maria though, considering some of the inconsistencies in Maria's stories. Reports have said that she later retracted some of her statements and said that she did have consensual sex with CL and I thought I heard she even tried to have the rape charges dropped.

[Tom'sGirl]

FMR, what do you think is on the bottom of the shoe?
That will be interesting to learn SQ. It could have been tested on the spot for blood if the proper team would have been there.

I was rather shocked to see the shoe being handled with bare hands.

[SuziQ]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0801/21/ng.01.html

NANCY GRACE
Marine Murder Crime Scene Photos Released
Aired January 21, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

[FMRUSMC]

So let's talk about if she comitted suicide in front of him. Had anyone informed her that she had to slit a certain side of the throat to hit the femoral. In Marine Corps Boot Camp they do teach you how to commit suicide in times of capture but it is not by slitting your throat. It is by cutting your wrist or by cutting your femoral artery in your leg just below your groing. If you cut your wrist, they tell you to do it by finding the artery and slicing it length wise so there is no way of the enemy sewing it up and interigating you. Likewise in the femoral artery, we have been trained to do whatever is necessary. This was when I was in but maybe they are doing it differently now.

[STEADFAST]

I am talking about a garage that has been sheetrocked but not finished. It has been taped but not painted. this garage has this and the nail holes have been touched. the corner where the LE says the actual attack and eventual d**** occurred has been painted totally white from top to bottom and then the paint color I mentioned painted in a HGTV fashion as to put a paint swatch up. there has been a total sheetrock removal from the same corner.

I wonder if they've searched for the sheetrock, if it is indeed missing.

One weird thing I noticed was the window right next to the murder area in the garage. It had some flimsy curtains on it that you'd think someone could see through if the lights were on in the garage. It's too bad none of the neighbors happened to be looking over there when Maria was being attacked.

I still am not convinced that it's positive that the murder happened during the early evening of the 14th. That is only based on the fact that Christina is denying any knowledge of the crime and that no one heard from Maria after late afternoon that day -- so they're just assuming that it must have happened between the time Maria is on tape and the time Christina claims to have arrived home. That murder could have happened any time between when Maria is seen on the tape and when Laurean went and bought the wheelbarrow on the 16th.

[USMCWife]

ARRGH - http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/21/missing.marine/index.html

This whole thing about not being able to charge CL with the death penalty if he is caught is maddening. It makes me furious to no end that another government is telling us what to do with OUR fugitives. How ridiculous.

[SuziQ]

I'm not ruling out the possibility of an affair between CL and Maria though, considering some of the inconsistencies in Maria's stories. Reports have said that she later retracted some of her statements and said that she did have consensual sex with CL and I thought I heard she even tried to have the rape charges dropped.

Being harassed and slugged will tend to make a person do that. Below is a post from a thread I started this morning:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1927534&postcount=1
Shocking Similar Cases
Below are two cases featured at the below link for American Chronicle.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/49661

Airman Cassandra Hernandez' gang rapists, are docked pay and assigned more labor while she faces court martial for indecent liberties. If convicted, she will be jailed, demoted and have to register as a sex offender.

Airman First Class Ashley Turner who had accused a fellow airman of stealing $2700 from her account. Airman Calvin Eugene Hill was facing court martial and Airman Ashley Turner was set to testify. She never got the chance. Someone reportedly slammed a barbell weight into her face and then stabbed her to death.

Other articles written by Rebekah Price at American Chronicle.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/49422

[Tom'sGirl]

ARRGH - http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/21/missing.marine/index.html

This whole thing about not being able to charge CL with the death penalty if he is caught is maddening. It makes me furious to no end that another government is telling us what to do with OUR fugitives. How ridiculous.
Been that way forever, look how many take refuge in Canada, same thing.

[FMRUSMC]

Excellent answer, FMRUSMC ...... and I hope you know I was teasing because you wrote that you'd been "trying to get clearance to get on the boards for several days now." :blowkiss:

I was interested in what you said about the sheet rock in the garage, because I dont think that's been pointed out before. Are you thinking some was missing/torn down to destroy blood evidence? Or what?

I am wondering if more sheetrock was torn down yes or this is a question to the prosecution to Xtina "Was that there before the Christmas Party - better still ask my brothers the Marines at the burning - did you enter the garage - had you been at the POS house before - did you ever notice any sheetrock removed before - etc

[SuziQ]

That murder could have happened any time between when Maria is seen on the tape and when Laurean went and bought the wheelbarrow on the 16th.

As in a time that Xtina doesn't have an alibi. Those two have already screwed up in the letter and statement given to LE that resulted in the Probable Cause Statement.

[SuziQ]

FMRUSMC, what do you make of NCIS telling Maria to report the car keying and slugging incident to civillian LE? It happened on base.

[STEADFAST]

As in a time that Xtina doesn't have an alibi.
Exactly.

[SuziQ]

Exactly.

They taylored the story to fit "their" schedule. Once again, why did CL bother to write and leave a note? The only person who benefited from it was Xtina.

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote]I wonder if they've searched for the sheetrock, if it is indeed missing.
Right, IF the dry wall is missing, may never have been there.
One weird thing I noticed was the window right next to the murder area in the garage. It had some flimsy curtains on it that you'd think someone could see through if the lights were on in the garage. It's too bad none of the neighbors happened to be looking over there when Maria was being attacked.
I haven't seen that, don't have access to cable. Hopefully tomorrow all this will be on video.

I still am not convinced that it's positive that the murder happened during the early evening of the 14th. That is only based on the fact that Christina is denying any knowledge of the crime and that no one heard from Maria after late afternoon that day -- so they're just assuming that it must have happened between the time Maria is on tape and the time Christina claims to have arrived home. That murder could have happened any time between when Maria is seen on the tape and when Laurean went and bought the wheelbarrow on the 16th.
I agree. I think since the date was changed from the 15th to the 14th shows they are only speculating on the facts you mentioned above.

[FMRUSMC]

I wonder if they've searched for the sheetrock, if it is indeed missing.

One weird thing I noticed was the window right next to the murder area in the garage. It had some flimsy curtains on it that you'd think someone could see through if the lights were on in the garage. It's too bad none of the neighbors happened to be looking over there when Maria was being attacked.

I still am not convinced that it's positive that the murder happened during the early evening of the 14th. That is only based on the fact that Christina is denying any knowledge of the crime and that no one heard from Maria after late afternoon that day -- so they're just assuming that it must have happened between the time Maria is on tape and the time Christina claims to have arrived home. That murder could have happened any time between when Maria is seen on the tape and when Laurean went and bought the wheelbarrow on the 16th.

My Dad is gone but I might be able to answer this. I think everyone is basing the time of death based upon the lack of cell phone activity.

[Seven]

. . . I'm not ruling out the possibility of an affair between CL and Maria though, considering some of the inconsistencies in Maria's stories. Reports have said that she later retracted some of her statements and said that she did have consensual sex with CL and I thought I heard she even tried to have the rape charges dropped.

I'm glad you mentioned that, USMCW ...... because I'm always a bit suspicious of someone unidentified who's telling TV Land what a person who is now dead (and therefore cannot contradict them) said when she was alive.

Also, that story she told just happened to point out:
1. Maria lied about being raped twice.
2. There never was a lapse in the Protective Orders.

I'm not saying she for sure was lying or following orders or getting paid off ...... I'm just saying that what she did say was something that put a little convenient lipstick on that pig of a presser.

I mean, the presser just did not sit well with a lot of people.

[SuziQ]

My Dad is gone but I might be able to answer this. I think everyone is basing the time of death based upon the lack of cell phone activity.

That would be my guess.

[SuziQ]

Seven, all true. And the Shadow person admited she is a friend of CL's.

[Seven]

I am wondering if more sheetrock was torn down yes or this is a question to the prosecution to Xtina "Was that there before the Christmas Party - better still ask my brothers the Marines at the burning - did you enter the garage - had you been at the POS house before - did you ever notice any sheetrock removed before - etc

Good questions .... and ....

You just reminded me of something else: One of the talking heads a couple of days ago, talking about that party where their fellow marines were there for the bonfire that Maria/Gabriella were underneath ..... well, I the only way to say it is to say it ............. The TH started talking about the smell of burning flesh and how there was no way that the people who were there at that party wouldn't have noticed that smell.

Do you agree w/that?

[STEADFAST]

Good questions .... and ....

You just reminded me of something else: One of the talking heads a couple of days ago, talking about that party where their fellow marines were there for the bonfire that Maria/Gabriella were underneath ..... well, I the only way to say it is to say it ............. The TH started talking about the smell of burning flesh and how there was no way that the people who were there at that party wouldn't have noticed that smell.

Do you agree w/that?

You didn't ask me, but I am completely sure that a group of Marines did not knowingly have a bonfire over a fellow Marine's body.

[FMRUSMC]

FMRUSMC, what do you make of NCIS telling Maria to report the car keying and slugging incident to civillian LE? It happened on base.
They were getting tired of dealing with her. She had possibly changed her story several times. they believed CL totally. the marine corps has a knack of dealing with certain problems. I am sure that the command that he and she were under when the initial charges were made is being made.

[USMCWife]

Being harassed and slugged will tend to make a person do that. Below is a post from a thread I started this morning:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1927534&postcount=1
Shocking Similar Cases
Below are two cases featured at the below link for American Chronicle.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/49661

Airman Cassandra Hernandez' gang rapists, are docked pay and assigned more labor while she faces court martial for indecent liberties. If convicted, she will be jailed, demoted and have to register as a sex offender.

Airman First Class Ashley Turner who had accused a fellow airman of stealing $2700 from her account. Airman Calvin Eugene Hill was facing court martial and Airman Ashley Turner was set to testify. She never got the chance. Someone reportedly slammed a barbell weight into her face and then stabbed her to death.

Other articles written by Rebekah Price at American Chronicle.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/49422

Rebekah Price sickens me with her tripe. I came across one of her articles earlier. It's obvious she's a feminist who hates the military so much that she can't even get her facts straight. How on earth does that girl know a thing about the military? She doesn't.

Her credentials are on the right-hand side. She doesn't even have the credentials to write such a nasty article. I'm sorry, I saw one of those articles hours ago and she just irritated me. All three articles, she takes cheap shots at the military without even thinking of interviewing someone from the military to find out why things are done the way they are. I had to close the page before I left her a piece of my mind. lol

[Seven]

You didn't ask me, but I am completely sure that a group of Marines did not knowingly have a bonfire over a fellow Marine's body.

I dont think so either.
But the question was whether they would smell "burning flesh" ....... was the bonfire burning human flesh?

[Seven]

Seven, all true. And the Shadow person admited she is a friend of CL's.

Right!

And the only thing she said that was against (but not really in the long run) seemed to make her sound "fair and balanced" was when she emphatically stated that Maria was afraid of CL, but she did it while simultaneously covering MC a** by stating she, herself, had typed up/prepared the PO.

But somehow the spokesman for the MC failed to get that information before he read the official statement on 01/15/08....:rolleyes:

[STEADFAST]

I might be able to answer this. I think everyone is basing the time of death based upon the lack of cell phone activity.

But the cell phone was found by the main gate. If she was killed after the 14th, I would assume they were holding her and would have wanted to get rid of the phone ASAP because of its ability to receive pings or whatever. Easy for either of them to pitch it out the car window on their way to work. Somebody tossed it there. I wonder why there?

[STEADFAST]

I dont think so either.
But the question was whether they would smell "burning flesh" ....... was the bonfire burning human flesh?

Maybe the dirt on top of the body insulated it somewhat from the heat of the fire -- heat does rise. I think the body was burned earlier, and for the life of me can't figure out how the neighbors didn't smell that.

[SuziQ]

USMCWife,
Whoa! I'm pretty sure the author has more background and facts on the cases she writes about than you do.

A suggestion for you, be careful of using the word feminist in a negative tone in a forum that is commented on by mostly women.

[Mygirlsadie]

SS I would feel alot safer off base then on base..Look how well they protected Maria.. :rolleyes:




If I found that my husband possibly killed a woman and buried her...I would be scared to death even if he said she committed suicide. I would NOT have had to decide where to go with the information. I would be scared!! I would be at home OFF BASE alone with a baby. I would NOT call Dad, an Atty, and then go to the Base to tell them what was going on. No freaking way. I would dial 911.

[USMCWife]

USMCWife,
Whoa! I'm pretty sure the author has more background and facts on the cases she writes about than you do.

A suggestion for you, be careful of using the word feminist in a negative tone in a forum that is commented on by mostly women.

I would certainly have more credentials in speaking about the Marine Corps than she would have with her generalizations.

I AM a woman...and I said it. Big deal. I don't think women should be given preference over men nor men should have preference over women...but that's starting a whole separate topic on the falling apart of once was a noble cause that doesn't belong here.

If you want an unbiased article to compare to Ms. Price's, then here is one: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/28/earlyshow/contributors/tracysmith/main3212398.shtml

[STEADFAST]

SS I would feel alot safer off base then on base..Look how well they protected Maria.. :rolleyes:

She was killed off base. Why do you think that is? It is way safer on a base than off of one.

[Truly]

I have been trying to follow Meredith Emerson's mom's advice to "focus on the light, because the darkness does not deserve our time or attention". Yet I have such a strong sense of justice, I cannot turn a blind eye to people who would lie to cover up a horrendous crime. In this case, I believe that the Marine Corps are lying to cover up this crime. Every woman I know who has been in the service has experienced what SuziQ referenced in her links. Sign me up for the Maria Corps.

[STEADFAST]

I have been trying to follow Meredith Emerson's mom's advice to "focus on the light, because the darkness does not deserve our time or attention". Yet I have such a strong sense of justice, I cannot turn a blind eye to people who would lie to cover up a horrendous crime. In this case, I believe that the Marine Corps are lying to cover up this crime. Every woman I know who has been in the service has experienced what SuziQ referenced in her links. Sign me up for the Maria Corps.

What specific statements from LeJeune are you referring to as lies?

[Mygirlsadie]

steadfast don't take me literally..I'm just so mad about the way Marias whole case was handled from the start. I'm not mad at the marines let me clarify by saying I have nothing against the military I have been military my whole life I have NEVER lived in the civilian world. Obviously I am pro-military. What I will say though is the marines in camp lejeune failed this girl. I don't know if they just didn't believe her or if they didn't take her serious enough. Onslow county may have been able to protect her had they known. Unfortunately they knew nothing until AFTER the fact. All the while the marines on camp lejeune knew everything this girl was going through and dealing with. I don't want to blame anyone because POS (and yes that is piece of S*it) is the one who commited this horrific crime. I just wish someone would of protected Maria from him. Almost 9 months of warning signs were there!! :mad:



She was killed off base. Why do you think that is? It is way safer on a base than off of one.

[Seven]

I have been trying to follow Meredith Emerson's mom's advice to "focus on the light, because the darkness does not deserve our time or attention". Yet I have such a strong sense of justice, I cannot turn a blind eye to people who would lie to cover up a horrendous crime. In this case, I believe that the Marine Corps are lying to cover up this crime. Every woman I know who has been in the service has experienced what SuziQ referenced in her links. Sign me up for the Maria Corps.

I like that one: The Maria Corps! :D

You're a welcome addition to our discussion, Truly.

Did you experience any server problems/delays in logging on?

[STEADFAST]

steadfast don't take me literally..I'm just so mad about the way Marias whole case was handled from the start. I'm not mad at the marines let me clarify by saying I have nothing against the military I have been military my whole life I have NEVER lived in the civilian world. Obviously I am pro-military. What I will say though is the marines in camp lejeune failed this girl. I don't know if they just didn't believe her or if they didn't take her serious enough. Onslow county may have been able to protect her had they known. Unfortunately they knew nothing until AFTER the fact. All the while the marines on camp lejeune knew everything this girl was going through and dealing with. I don't want to blame anyone because POS (and yes that is piece of S*it) is the one who commited this horrific crime. I just wish someone would of protected Maria from him. Almost 9 months of warning signs were there!! :mad:

Oh, I completely agree, if you are talking about their unit. There are something like 67,000 people working on the base, so I don't want to say that everybody on base knew what this girl was going through, by any means. Nor do I think the higher brass on the base had any idea. They are most likely rather busy with training and maintaining units in Iraq and on base, and would expect her CO, JAG, NCIS, and the Sexual Assault advocate to have things under control.

I do think the investigators were taking her case forward by scheduling an Article 32 hearing and making plans to test the baby for DNA. But not putting Laurean in pretrial detention was a big mistake -- obviously! -- and also not taking the instances of harassment seriously. The unit CO and First Sergeant had a mistaken impression of the characters of these two soldiers, and if they had their ears to the ground, I think they could have figured out what was really going on. Her Sexual Assault ombudsman (whatever they call that position in the Marines) let her down, too. It is that person's job to make sure the victim is taken seriously and that her concerns are addressed.

I hope all military commanders and soldiers learn a lesson from this highly-publicized case.

[Truly]

What specific statements from LeJeune are you referring to as lies?

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[vickycopsy]

I have to add to this discussion by saying I am very confused about my feelings. First of all, I have a 19 year old son and if he called me saying that he commited a violent crime and is running from the death penalty, I am ashamed to say that I might be tempted to help him run. Coward, I know. Unjust, I know. Unfair to the victim, I know. But, darn it would be hard to turn your child over to the death penalty whether he deserved it or not. Very hard.

Cesar, Christina, Maria- they all just seem like "kids" to this nearly 40 year-old mom. And what horrible things we do sometimes when we are young and stupid! I can't help but imagine my son on the run, he would be so scared so homesick. And the whole world wishing him dead, I just can't imagine being 21 and on the run.

And I am also a hypocrit because I have a 15 year old daughter and if some man raped/murdered/burned her in a fire pit, I would be screaming from the highest mountain to hunt him down like a dog and kill him! And poor, poor Maria. Whether she was bi-polar, a compulsive liar, or whatever her "family" said she was; obviously she was crying out for help and attention. And she did not deserve a shallow, firey grave.

I am always astounded at the number of crimes that begin and end with sex of some kind. Children, babies, woman, small boys, and even adult males- it seems most kidnappings and/or murders always have a rape or sexual encounter involved.

Does anyone know for sure, was Maria's baby male or female? Thanks for letting me share.

[STEADFAST]

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." -Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

:waitasec:Are you saying you don't remember what the lies were? Or that it's not so much they lied but that they didn't speak out when it might have helped? Or are you just celebrating a belated MLK Day?

[soobs]

put a little convenient lipstick on that pig of a presser............


Seven you're a crack up! Sounds like something Boss Hogg would've said!

Night All

[Mygirlsadie]

I definately don't think higher brass on the base knew anything. I know in the Army you can't even go to higher brass until you have went through your whole chain of command first. Your problems make their way up the ladder. Since POS was Marias superior I am assuming he was also one of her links in the chain of command? A very small group of people were involved in helping Maria and protecting her and IMO they failed her greatly. If I felt that nobody was taking me seriously and everybody was on POS side because he was so 'popular' and I was being harrased etc.. I too would of probably went back on my word that he raped me. I would be so scared and hopeless feeling. A ? I have is this ... If Christina is now saying she left the party at 7pm and Maria is confirmed by video to be at the ATM at around or a little before 5pm. How did he get her to his house, kill her, clean up the mess in 2 hours or less? Because remember Christina don't know nothin.... :rolleyes:




Oh, I completely agree, if you are talking about their unit. There are something like 67,000 people working on the base, so I don't want to say that everybody on base knew what this girl was going through, by any means. Nor do I think the higher brass on the base had any idea. They are most likely rather busy with training and maintaining units in Iraq and on base, and would expect her CO, JAG, NCIS, and the Sexual Assault advocate to have things under control.

I do think the investigators were taking her case forward by scheduling an Article 32 hearing and making plans to test the baby for DNA. But not putting Laurean in pretrial detention was a big mistake -- obviously! -- and also not taking the instances of harassment seriously. The unit CO and First Sergeant had a mistaken impression of the characters of these two soldiers, and if they had their ears to the ground, I think they could have figured out what was really going on. Her Sexual Assault ombudsman (whatever they call that position in the Marines) let her down, too. It is that person's job to make sure the victim is taken seriously and that her concerns are addressed.

I hope all military commanders and soldiers learn a lesson from this highly-publicized case.

[Seven]

put a little convenient lipstick on that pig of a presser............


Seven you're a crack up! Sounds like something Boss Hogg would've said!

Night All

Sweet dreams, soobs! :blowkiss:


CL = AMW :behindbar

[Pharlap]

Good questions .... and ....

You just reminded me of something else: One of the talking heads a couple of days ago, talking about that party where their fellow marines were there for the bonfire that Maria/Gabriella were underneath ..... well, I the only way to say it is to say it ............. The TH started talking about the smell of burning flesh and how there was no way that the people who were there at that party wouldn't have noticed that smell.

Do you agree w/that?

Would have to ask the guests of the party if hickory or another flavor chip was put in the pit. And how much wood/charcoal was used.
If none was then back to your question.

If I remember correctly Maria was 2-2in a half feet under earth, and lets say hubby packed the earth good. I wouldn't think you be able to smell anything but the bonfire/bbq fire.

One other question, did they cook food over this bonfire/bbq ?

[Mygirlsadie]

In the note Laurean wrote that she had a plan and then the plan didn't work out so she came back to his house. I was thinking MAYBE he told her to buy the bus ticket for herself to get out of testifying against him and going to El Paso which is so close to Mexico he would meet her there and take her to his family to take care of her? Maybe she was willing to do that and then decided against it and came back to his house to tell him she couldnt go through with the plan...Then he killed her?! There is always some truth to a lie so quite possibly there was a plan!

[Pharlap]

On fox and friends this morning, they had a bounty hunter on.
Was hoping they'd put a video up on there link. Not yet, was VERY
interesting.
Didn't get the name of the guy, retired marine about 55-60 years old.
He talked about this case.
He's a bounty hunter now. Said in the private sector there's a lot.
They do get many fugitives from Mexico and Canada and return them to the States
privately and quietly. Not like "the dog", he laughed.

Maybe a 8am Chicago time, they'd replay the interview.

[SuziQ]

In the note Laurean wrote that she had a plan and then the plan didn't work out so she came back to his house. I was thinking MAYBE he told her to buy the bus ticket for herself to get out of testifying against him and going to El Paso which is so close to Mexico he would meet her there and take her to his family to take care of her? Maybe she was willing to do that and then decided against it and came back to his house to tell him she couldnt go through with the plan...Then he killed her?! There is always some truth to a lie so quite possibly there was a plan!

I could never see Maria running off with CL. But I can see your above scenario. The moment Maria recanted her accusations, it all turned against her legally. I truly believe that the upcoming GJ hearing and DNA test was to prove her wrong and punish her. Was she facing the same punishment Cassandra currently is?

[SuziQ]

If you want an unbiased article to compare to Ms. Price's, then here is one: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/28/earlyshow/contributors/tracysmith/main3212398.shtml

I don't consider that article unbiased at all! What system is being discussed in bold? The military legal system. Snipped from the above link:

While all three men chose to accept a nonjudicial punishment called an Article 15, including small fines, extra duties and reduction in rank, Hernandez refused.

"I didn't accept the Article 15 because I did not commit an indecent act," she said.

So Hernandez is now facing a court-martial and likely taking the witness stand for the prosecution are the three airmen she accused of raping her. They've been granted immunity.

"Anything that they say in cooperation, in preparation or on trial can never be used against them," said Hernandez's defense attorney Capt. Omar Ashmawy. "So let's say they get on the stand and say they get on the stand and say yes, 'I raped Airman Hernandez,' that statement could never be used against them."

Her two attorneys never imagined they would be defending an alleged rape victim. Hernandez's attorney, Capt. Chris Eason, says "the system failed Airman Hernandez."

[SuziQ]

I have a question regarding the chain of command. I truly believe that in this case the further down you get the bigger the problem is. But at what point is it considered top brass? At what level is NCIS? I was really shocked to hear that NCIS didn't act on Maria's harassment report and directed her to report it to civilian authorities who would not have jurisdiction since the incidents happened on base.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Vickycopsy! The baby was determined to be a female.

Thinking about what you said as a mother, I would find it most difficult to turn in my son...but I would. I taught my children consequences of actions at an early age and while this would be the worst of the worst, I would know that he had to face his own truths. It would break my heart, but knowing what happened to Maria would make me certain it was the right thing to do. I would encourage him to turn himself in and I would support him in any way I could during the process. I would not leave him without his mother's love. It would be the most difficult thing I could ever face tho.

[SuziQ]

I AM a woman...and I said it. Big deal. I don't think women should be given preference over men nor men should have preference over women...

Unfortunately in Maria's case a man was given preference. That should not happen either. In the marine Q&A presser, the spokesman states, IIRC, that CL's statement that "he never had sex with Maria was considered significant evidence". While the rest of the case was greeted with severe skepticism at best.

[SeriouslySearching]

Unfortunately in Maria's case a man was given preference. That should not happen either. In the marine Q&A presser, the spokesman states, IIRC, that CL's statement that "he never had sex with Maria was considered significant evidence". While the rest of the case was greeted with severe skepticism at best.I agree. This case has been plagued with preferential treatment towards Cesar Laurean from day one. It disgusts me.

I would do everything I could to keep my daughter from joining the military from what I have seen here until someone steps in and cleans it up...starting with the BRASS. :mad:

They expect the women to give their lives for our country and live by the rules while they allow their own men to subject them to the same abuses they worry about our enemies inflicting upon them. It is NOT a man's military anymore and they should face severe punishments if found to be neglectful (such as Maria was treated in this case) or abusive to our female soldiers.

[Littledeer]

Welcome all New Posters!!!!

Whew, good thing I have my antlers on, lot to read!!

I have two questions:

Has anyone compared the shoe that was found outside the house/inside the garage to the vidio pics of CL @ Lowe's. If I'm not mistaken, the video did show a full shot from head to toe of CL and the other male.

While FMRUSMC noticed aspects of the inside of the garage that I would not have picked up on, IMO, the baby's car seat was out of place!! In Ohio, all children under 2 and under 40 lbs. HAVE TO BE restrained in a car seat.

I have two grandchilden and it is easier for me to leave the car seat in the car than to lug it out and in everytime I take the baby somewhere.

So, did the Loreans have two car seats and this one in the garage was the extra? I'm assuming nothing has been moved in the garage since the 11th when LE arrived to start digging in the backyard.

[STEADFAST]

Unfortunately in Maria's case a man was given preference. That should not happen either. In the marine Q&A presser, the spokesman states, IIRC, that CL's statement that "he never had sex with Maria was considered significant evidence". While the rest of the case was greeted with severe skepticism at best.

I listened to the presser and I've seen the transcripts of it, and I think the statement about "significant evidence" was taken out of context. Here is how that line is punctuated in one news story:

On October 18, 2007, NCIS recommends no disciplinary action be initiated on the alleged rape until forensic evidence DNA can be retrieved from the child. Cpl Laurean denied having any sexual contact with LCpl Lauterbach and this was believed to be significant evidence.

I had the impression listening to the presser that the spokesman was saying that they were planning to test the baby's DNA because, since Laurean was denying sexual contact, the DNA would be significant evidence that he did, indeed, have sexual contact with Maria. I think the "this" that he was referring to was the DNA evidence from the baby.

Here's the exact same words, punctuated a different way, and I think reflecting more the way he said this:

On October 18, 2007, NCIS recommends no disciplinary action be initiated on the alleged rape until forensic evidence DNA can be retrieved from the child (Cpl Laurean denied having any sexual contact with LCpl Lauterbach) -- and this was believed to be significant evidence.

[ceeaura]

While watching Greta I saw/heard where there was 5 pieces of fence missing.Also that the neighbor reported that there was 3 bonfires.One on the 24th(I believe) only POS was there.Then the 25th and on the 1st where people had come for a party.
So I am wondering if the first fire would have burn her enough to mask the smell when they had guest over.
I just keep hearing what one of the experts said about the burning would have to have been very hot and burned several hours/days.
I still don't see how no one could have got a hint of smell that was off during the time they had guest over.Unless they were totally sloshed by the time the bonfire started.

[Littledeer]

Maybe after the 1st burning, CL redug and laid some of the wood from the fencing over her along with some possibly hickory smoke chaquetes, and then re-piled the dirt on top of that.

Wouln't that helped lessen any "burnt" smell when the guests were there for the party on the 24th?

[Pharlap]

That was one of my thoughts, earlier posted.
Hictory or other scents added to the bonfire/bbq.

Did they bbq that day?
If so where?

[Littledeer]

Pharlap:

Sorry, I did see that you had mentioned that possibiliy of the hickory barquettes.

On the 24th, there was supposedly both a bonfire and a bbq going on in the evening.

The where, in CL's backyard. I believe the bonfire was over the grave and the bbq was farther back. (From what I remember reading about it)

[gardenmom]

I knew I forgot something! Yes, he had his uniform on AND the sheriff said he went to work that morning and that he checked out early. Hmm, so what would have happened if Christina had found the note a little earlier and alerted the base command while he was still there? Lucky for him she slept in a little.:liar:

I am quoting myself because I was wondering if any of you knew about this? I think it is significant because it may show that Christina DID know that he had left BEFORE she "found" the note. Why would he have checked in that morning? He knew he was going AWOL, so why prolong it?

[Pharlap]

Pharlap:

Sorry, I did see that you had mentioned that possibiliy of the hickory barquettes.

On the 24th, there was supposedly both a bonfire and a bbq going on in the evening.

The where, in CL's backyard. I believe the bonfire was over the grave and the bbq was farther back. (From what I remember reading about it)


n/p
where did they bbq thou, on that pit? gross...:eek:

btw I got up real early to read all of this thread, because of the server last night.
I just gave up on it.

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe if they did BBQ, it was on a grill and not the firepit. I didn't see any signs of a metal grate in the yard. IMO, from what I saw on the video, the firepit was just for a bonfire to stand around.

Again, if he burned her in the middle of the night...people were not out and about to smell anything.

The carseat probably was supposed to be in his truck, but when he left...he had no reason to take it.

[Pharlap]

Tks, ss.
In the pic's that have been posted, didn't see a grill.
But I could be blind...:bang:

[SeriouslySearching]

Tks, ss.
In the pic's that have been posted, didn't see a grill.
But I could be blind...:bang:I didn't see a grill either, but someone could have brought one with them or it could be a small hibachi type. I wonder if Greta noticed one?

[SuziQ]

Steadfast, it is very possible that the statement meant something different entirely. However, I can only go by what was said. Imo, they meant what they said. Anything else would be reading between the lines and speculation. Now exactly what the next hearing would have entailed exactly I don't know. I only have my suspicions and the unsubstaniated comments in the media of Maria facing possible court martial, along with the comment that the case had gone south. If the case hadn't turned on her and it was proceeding as a rape case, that should not be considered going south. It's also possible that Maria meant she just wanted it all to go away.

[Littledeer]

Do we know if the Loreans had two vehicles or just the truck?

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if that lead they were following up yesterday will bear fruit today? That would be great! I have high hopes of them slapping the cuffs on this POS.

[SeriouslySearching]

Do we know if the Loreans had two vehicles or just the truck?I would have to assume since the neighbor made the statement that she wasn't at home when h