Maria Lauterbach

[SeriouslySearching]

Any information or questions we have about Maria can be discussed here!

[Tom'sGirl]

SNIPS:

Her father, Victor Lauterbach, is an Air Force Reserve master sergeant in the 87th Aerial Port Squadron, which is part of the 445th Airlift Wing at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. The squadron is responsible for the on- and off-loading of equipment, cargo and personnel onto aircraft.

Marine Corps officials called the weekend of her high school graduation and said they wanted her to report to boot camp that Tuesday. "She thoroughly enjoyed boot camp," Mary Lauterbach said.

While in advance training, she injured her ankle and was assigned to a clerical position. At some point, she got a Marine Corps tattoo on her upper right arm.

Her mother said Maria, who was adopted at 19 months, tended to be a loner. The Lauterbachs have four younger children, too. "We did adopt her as a toddler. She was taken away from her natural parents," she said.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/story/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/12/ddn011208marinelocal.html?cxntlid=inform (http://www.daytondailynews.com/story/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/01/12/ddn011208marinelocal.html?cxntlid=inform)

[Pocono Sleuther]

I have a question. It may have been answered on one of these marathon threads and I did look, if I missed it, I'm sorry.
I know we have Mary Lauterbach stating in an interview that Maria had talked of giving the baby up for adoption. But, if that's the case, why name the baby Gabriella? Did she change her mind or was she still planning on an adoption?
Also, does anyone think the L's both were involved and knapped her to snatch the baby? I do not trust the wife's statements thus far. Plus we had reports of Cesar telling people his wife was pg, which as far as we know, she was not. I know how wives can get when they are threatened. And if her husband did indeed rape Maria (which I believe) and this baby was a result of that rape, could Christina have seen this as a way of getting even? Taking the baby?

[FlowerChild]

I have a question. It may have been answered on one of these marathon threads and I did look, if I missed it, I'm sorry.
I know we have Mary Lauterbach stating in an interview that Maria had talked of giving the baby up for adoption. But, if that's the case, why name the baby Gabriella? Did she change her mind or was she still planning on an adoption?
Also, does anyone think the L's both were involved and knapped her to snatch the baby? I do not trust the wife's statements thus far. Plus we had reports of Cesar telling people his wife was pg, which as far as we know, she was not. I know how wives can get when they are threatened. And if her husband did indeed rape Maria (which I believe) and this baby was a result of that rape, could Christina have seen this as a way of getting even? Taking the baby?

Maria's MOTHER was pushing for Maria to put the baby up for adoption - Maria's roommate said Maria and her mother argued over the adoption vs MAria keeping the baby the day she died. It appears that Maria intended to KEEP the baby - who she thought was a boy - and had already named him and begun preparing for his arrival. It isn't certain when Maria decided this, but her friend on base said she and Maria were due at about the same time and BOTH were preparing to be "Moms" - no mention of adoption. And Maria had not arranged an adoption or contacted and agencies or chosen adoptive parents. Since Maria herself was adopted perhaps that was one reason she decided she wanted to keep her baby. She was Catholic and abortion was out of the question for her and I think at some point, so was giving up the baby for adoption. Maria was in her last few weeks of pregnancy and obviously had come to love her baby despite the ugly circumstances surrounding the conception.

I STILL wonder if Maria "keeping the baby" wasn't what set POS off - he was going to have a child AND child support - two very expensive, long-term and painful reminders to him and his wife and daughter of his "failure". I wonder if someone on the base who knew of Maria's change of heart told CL or Xtina that Maria was keeping the baby and NOT going to adopt it out???

My Opinion

[lkd-ga]

[QUOTE]I wonder if someone on the base who knew of Maria's change of heart told CL or Xtina that Maria was keeping the baby and NOT going to adopt it out???

Flowerchild,

I agree! Something set him off. I think he had a plan to get out of this still looking like the nice guy and maybe when he went to talk to Maria she told him she ws keeping the baby.

[Mygirlsadie]

Flowerchild~it could be that! Or after getting off the phone with her mom she called him and told him look buddy i'm keeping the baby so your gonna have to deal with it.. Hispanic men are usually so protective and really BIG into their children so I am really surprised he would do this. I think Christina had alot to do with this. She probably ragged & nagged non-stop to him about it.




I STILL wonder if Maria "keeping the baby" wasn't what set POS off - he was going to have a child AND child support - two very expensive, long-term and painful reminders to him and his wife and daughter of his "failure". I wonder if someone on the base who knew of Maria's change of heart told CL or Xtina that Maria was keeping the baby and NOT

[Tom'sGirl]

Lauterbach’s mom fills in some pieces of a daughter’s life
January 24, 2008 - 8:08AM
DAILY NEWS STAFF

She loved sports. She loved church. She was not a compulsive liar. Mary Lauterbach, the mother of the missing lance corporal found dead and buried in the backyard of Cpl. Cesar Laurean said there is much the public does not know about her daughter.
http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54572___article.html/maria_daughter.html (http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54572___article.html/maria_daughter.html)

[ipswitch]

I know we have Mary Lauterbach stating in an interview that Maria had talked of giving the baby up for adoption. But, if that's the case, why name the baby Gabriella? Did she change her mind or was she still planning on an adoption?


I can tell you from personal experience that I named the daughter I placed for adoption. It wasn't the name that her adoptive family gave her, and that's fine with me. It's my own special name for her. Just my experience.

[MCDRAW]

Lauterbach’s mom fills in some pieces of a daughter’s life
January 24, 2008 - 8:08AM
DAILY NEWS STAFF

She loved sports. She loved church. She was not a compulsive liar. Mary Lauterbach, the mother of the missing lance corporal found dead and buried in the backyard of Cpl. Cesar Laurean said there is much the public does not know about her daughter.
http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54572___article.html/maria_daughter.html (http://www.jdnews.com/news/lauterbach_54572___article.html/maria_daughter.html)


I'm beginning to wonder if they didn't intentionally mislead the public on what the Mother said, in a move to cover their butts. What better way than to make the victim look like the bad guy. They know they dropped the ball on this one.

Just my opinion.

[SeriouslySearching]

Why not? It appears the Marine Corp did everything to thwart her efforts to bring charges against a male member of their military. Smearing her via her own mother was a convenient way to discredit her further and somehow make this seem of her own doing.

[Seven]

Maria's MOTHER was pushing for Maria to put the baby up for adoption - Maria's roommate said Maria and her mother argued over the adoption vs MAria keeping the baby the day she died. It appears that Maria intended to KEEP the baby - who she thought was a boy - and had already named him and begun preparing for his arrival. . . .
I STILL wonder if Maria "keeping the baby" wasn't what set POS off - he was going to have a child AND child support - two very expensive, long-term and painful reminders to him and his wife and daughter of his "failure". I wonder if someone on the base who knew of Maria's change of heart told CL or Xtina that Maria was keeping the baby and NOT going to adopt it out???

My Opinion

I agree. And add to that the fact that this has been swirling around in POS's mind since 10/18/07, according to the presser:

"NCIS recommends no disciplinary action be initiated on the alleged rape until forensic evidence DNA can be retrieved from the child. Cpl Laurean denied having any sexual contact with LCpl Lauterbach and this was believed to be significant evidence."

So even if the baby is adopted by a loving family, POS knows that NCIS is gonna check its DNA and, if it's his, then the Marines will know that POS lied, obstructing an investigation, when he told them he "did not have sex with that woman."


:behindbar

[FMRUSMC]

Article in the local newspaper:

The Jacksonville Police Department issued a public assembly permit Friday to members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., but that action concerned at least one person who went to Tuesday's Jacksonville City Council meeting to make his opinion known.
The primitive Baptist church, headed by Pastor Fred Phelps, is most known for protesting military funerals and anything it perceives as related to homosexuality. It has come to Jacksonville to protest the U.S. Marine Corps, which it says God hates, and issues involving the death of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.

[peace9274]

A regular poster on this case had posted several days ago.... I wish I could find it..... a theory, very well written, regarding what "the plan failed" meant.

The poster's theory and thoughts were that Maria may have originally told some people, including her Mother and Laurean, that there was a couple already chosen, who'd be adopting the baby.

At the time this theory was posted, we didn't know the exact time-line, and IIRC, the theory was that Maria bought the ticket to El Paso to meet the adoptive parents there.

Now we know that the bus ticket was purchased later (5PM), after the phone conversation with her Mother (2:30 PM).

I've been thinking a lot about that theory ever since it was posted.
It made so much sense to me. I too wondered if Maria had changed her
mind about giving her baby up for adoption to an already chosen couple.

According to the theory, Maria told her Mom in that last phone call...
and then she went to Laurean's to inform him that "the plan failed",
which then set him off and onto an angry rampage.

Does anyone else remember that theory or who posted it?
I'd love to re-read it, especially now that we have a little more
detailed time-line.

The poster's theory would work with any time-line and the additional
facts we've since received.

I can just see Laurean's expression, after thinking about and getting ready for the Xmas party that night, where he'd be meeting up with his wife, his daughter, Santa Clause, and all his buddies..... and then when Maria arrives at his doorstep and informs him of "the failed plan".

(Or maybe she called him first, telling him about her change of plans, and he told her to come over and talk... since he knew Christina was at the party.... and by the time Maria arrive at POS' house, he may have already had a plan himself.... which did NOT fail !!!! :furious: )

[Seven]

Article in the local newspaper:

The Jacksonville Police Department issued a public assembly permit Friday to members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., but that action concerned at least one person who went to Tuesday's Jacksonville City Council meeting to make his opinion known.
The primitive Baptist church, headed by Pastor Fred Phelps, is most known for protesting military funerals and anything it perceives as related to homosexuality. It has come to Jacksonville to protest the U.S. Marine Corps, which it says God hates, and issues involving the death of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.

That is really wierd!
And I'm not sure how biblical it is either.

Is this group implying that God approves of certain murders?

:eek:

[FMRUSMC]

That is really wierd!
And I'm not sure how biblical it is either.

Is this group implying that God approves of certain murders?

:eek:

No, I did not put the whole article. I think they were referring to their position of NCIS and the USMC mistreating Maria which eventually led to her death.
:bang:

[Tom'sGirl]

Article in the local newspaper:

The Jacksonville Police Department issued a public assembly permit Friday to members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., but that action concerned at least one person who went to Tuesday's Jacksonville City Council meeting to make his opinion known.
The primitive Baptist church, headed by Pastor Fred Phelps, is most known for protesting military funerals and anything it perceives as related to homosexuality. It has come to Jacksonville to protest the U.S. Marine Corps, which it says God hates, and issues involving the death of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.
Link?

[FMRUSMC]

Link?

I copied it from the USMC website but will try to locate one.

:banghead:

[Tom'sGirl]

I copied it from the USMC website but will try to locate one.

:banghead:
Here's the link!
http://www.leatherneck.com/forums/showthread.php?p=314754#post314754

[i.b.nora]

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13862522.html

Church Plans To Picket Outside Camp Lejeune

Jan 17, 2008 - The murder of Maria Lauterbach has attracted the attention of a controversial church based in Kansas.
The Westboro Baptist Church is planning to picket outside Camp Lejeune this Saturday and next Saturday. Westboro Baptist Church members claim the deaths of U.S. military service men and women around the world is God's way of punishing America for its tolerance of homosexuality.

That was last week but it didn't happen because they needed a permit, so now they plan to do it this weekend.

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/14292932.html

Westboro Protest Brings About Traffic Detours

As an aside they also have plans to picket at any memorial or funeral for Heath Ledger. (because he played a homosexual in the movie Brokeback Mountain)

[FMRUSMC]

Go to JDNews.com/albums or special reports
Maria was planning on something - her car was up for sale - check out the sign in the back window,left side
or better still what was I thinking - we're they (CL & Xtina) going to sell it to some unsuspecting 0311 private for cash but let's say 'cash up front but sorry no title'
Maria played soccer - from the memorial in her front yard

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/lauterbach_54542___article.html/height_maria.html#

[philamena]

No lie!
I went to that link http://www.jdnews.com/articles/lauterbach_54542___article.html/height_maria.html and enlarged the picture of Maria's car. Not only did I see the For Sale sign and stuffed animal that youi pointed out, but I also saw red-something-paint maybe--that looks like it was thrown or poured on the car. Has anyone else see this?


Click on the above link. On the left you'll see 'crime scene'.
Click on that link and scroll down till you see the car.

[Tom'sGirl]

No lie!
I went to that link http://www.jdnews.com/articles/lauterbach_54542___article.html/height_maria.html and enlarged the picture of Maria's car. Not only did I see the For Sale sign and stuffed animal that youi pointed out, but I also saw red-something-paint maybe--that looks like it was thrown or poured on the car. Has anyone else see this?
Yes, I've seen it philamena, no telling what could be on the car, maybe something from being parked in the lot where it was found.

[philamena]

Hey there Tom'sGirl.
I somehow missed that when I looked at the picture of the car. Of course, I let my imagination run wild and I envisioned the pos or his wife throwing something on Maria's car.

[chiperoni]

Hey there Tom'sGirl.
I somehow missed that when I looked at the picture of the car. Of course, I let my imagination run wild and I envisioned the pos or his wife throwing something on Maria's car.

Ya know, it does look like red stuff was splashed on it. The car behind it parked sideways doesn't have red stuff on it.

[Elphaba]

I thought someone on another thread, a good while back, said that it was finger-printing dust. If the car has been out in the elements after the dusting, it could have ran, making it look splashed on there. Mind you, I am not aware if what such finger printing dust looks like nowadays, but I remember someone saying that is what it was on the car.

[Elphaba]

Just checked some things... fingerprinting chemicals come in various colors... red being one of those colors.

[SuziQ]

The red stuff is fingerprint dust. It probably looks that way because of getting wet.

Too bad we can't see who's phone number is on that for sale sign.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder why there has been no mention of Maria possibly trying to sell her car in the media? Initially, it should have been reported because it was a possible connection to her abductor or reason she was missing. Has anyone checked the local papers or the military paper for an ad?

[Seven]

http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/13862522.html

Church Plans To Picket Outside Camp Lejeune

Jan 17, 2008 - The murder of Maria Lauterbach has attracted the attention of a controversial church based in Kansas.
The Westboro Baptist Church is planning to picket outside Camp Lejeune this Saturday and next Saturday. Westboro Baptist Church members claim the deaths of U.S. military service men and women around the world is God's way of punishing America for its tolerance of homosexuality.


Since this group is doing their thing in response to the murder of Maria Lauterbach, they do seem to be saying that there are some murders of which God approves.

I mean, if the deaths are "God's way of punishing," that implies that God is instrumental in the deaths and, in essence, approves of them.

That's definitely not biblical, at least it's not in accordance with the New Testament.

IMHO

[SeriouslySearching]

Please don't bring this into the case. They have no place here. There isn't a reason to debate their actions or motives for such.

I will gladly delete this if you will delete that (so please no one quote this)! Thanks!

[katiecoolady]

I wonder why there has been no mention of Maria selling her car in the media? Initially, it should have been reported because it was a possible connection to her abductor or reason she was missing. Has anyone checked the local papers or the military paper for an ad?

At what point did she sell her car? Still catching up on this case...

[SeriouslySearching]

Someone just mentioned she (Maria) had a "For Sale" sign in the car window...I personally didn't notice it. She had not sold it, to my knowledge.

[Ticamom]

I wonder why there has been no mention of Maria possibly trying to sell her car in the media? Initially, it should have been reported because it was a possible connection to her abductor or reason she was missing. Has anyone checked the local papers or the military paper for an ad?

What seems hinky about this supposed selling of Maria's car is that next to the FOR SALE sign there was a baby stuffed toy of some sort. I don't think Maria would have had it in the back window. Could it be possible that the toy belongs to the Laurean's daughter and it was accidentally left there by them after they drove the car to the bus stop ?

It's just an idea, bt I can't for the life of me understand how LE just left it there. I would imagine that they would want to check it out for fingerprints, dna , etc.

Barney fife indeed.

[Tom'sGirl]

Murdered Marine's Remains Return To Ohio
Posted: 4:04 PM Jan 25, 2008
Last Updated: 4:04 PM Jan 25, 2008


The remains of murdered Marine Maria Lauterbach are now back with her family in Ohio.
http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/14398502.html (http://www.witntv.com/home/headlines/14398502.html)

[SeriouslySearching]

RIP Maria Lauterbach and Baby Girl. You are finally home. (sigh)

[Tom'sGirl]

Someone just mentioned she (Maria) had a "For Sale" sign in the car window...I personally didn't notice it. She had not sold it, to my knowledge.
Cropped photo, printing very faint/faded
http://i25.tinypic.com/20aupgk.jpg

[close_enough]

Since this group is doing their thing in response to the murder of Maria Lauterbach, they do seem to be saying that there are some murders of which God approves.

I mean, if the deaths are "God's way of punishing," that implies that God is instrumental in the deaths and, in essence, approves of them.

That's definitely not biblical, at least it's not in accordance with the New Testament.

IMHO

good grief :rolleyes: ... what a bunch of morons...

jmo..

[close_enough]

Cropped photo, printing very faint/faded
http://i25.tinypic.com/20aupgk.jpg

hmm, trying to sell her car fits with buying a bus ticket & leaving....interesting..

[FlowerChild]

IF Maria put that sign in the car and IF POS didn't find it and put it up after Maria had changed her mind and IF Maria made the sign BEFORE Dec 14th....

Her CAR had been vandalized and POS and his buddies knew her car. Maybe she was going to buy a DIFFERENT car while living off base and being off duty to have her baby to try and "throw off" the vandals and harrassers who seemed to be targeting her??

Maybe she wanted a BIGGER car for when she had the baby? Maybe she wanted extra money for the baby? Maybe she was planning to relocate after the baby was born and proved to be POS's and was going to buy a different car at the new location?

It could be a DOZEN logical thing having NOTHING to do with her death or bus tickets or money or running away.

My Opinion

[Mygirlsadie]

Maria was not trying to sell her car. No way! She needed that car she was about to be a mommy & she moved off base she was in no situation to be selling a car at that time. Cesar and Christina were trying to sell that car so they could have Maria fund even more of her murder and Cesars escape! :furious:

[Ticamom]

Maria was not trying to sell her car. No way! She needed that car she was about to be a mommy & she moved off base she was in no situation to be selling a car at that time. Cesar and Christina were trying to sell that car so they could have Maria fund even more of her murder and Cesars escape! :furious:

I wish we could see the phone # on that sign so we could corroborate if it is the POS number or Maria's #.

[BeavisMom62]

I thought someone on another thread, a good while back, said that it was finger-printing dust. If the car has been out in the elements after the dusting, it could have ran, making it look splashed on there. Mind you, I am not aware if what such finger printing dust looks like nowadays, but I remember someone saying that is what it was on the car.

I remember reading that too. I'm pretty sure it is finger print powder.

[Jolynna]

hmm, trying to sell her car fits with buying a bus ticket & leaving....interesting..

It does fit with buying a bus ticket and leaving.

Whether Maria OR CL put the "For Sale" sign in the car window that the sign was there is another reason LE and the Marines thought Maria left on her own.

Maybe CL gave Maria the stuffed toy as a present for "the baby" to put her guard down.

Unless CL was dropped off at Maria's house, she had to have driven to "his" place. Neither Maria's car or CL's car was around when the Durham got home. There would have to be an accomplice for car retrieving before Durham got home, too.

IMO

[SeriouslySearching]

Greta needs to ask questions about the sign and the stuffed animal to LE.

[panthera]

Maria was not trying to sell her car. No way! She needed that car she was about to be a mommy & she moved off base she was in no situation to be selling a car at that time. Cesar and Christina were trying to sell that car so they could have Maria fund even more of her murder and Cesars escape! :furious:
How could CL and his wife legally sell Maria's car? She was probably making payments and didn't even have the title to it. :confused:

[SeriouslySearching]

They couldn't sell her car legally...unless Maria signed the title over to Cesar. He would have to wait for another title to come back in his name to give to the new owner. LE would not know of this transaction until he filed for the new title, however. I would be curious to know where the title to her vehicle is now. I would assume it would be kept in her house in a file...so LE should have seen it or should know it was missing at least.

I guess he could have done it under duress. It seems Maria may have done a lot of things under duress in this case.

[FMRUSMC]

They couldn't sell her car legally...unless Maria signed the title over to Cesar. He would have to wait for another title to come back in his name to give to the new owner. LE would not know of this transaction until he filed for the new title, however. I would be curious to know where the title to her vehicle is now. I would assume it would be kept in her house in a file...so LE should have seen it or should know it was missing at least.

I guess he could have done it under duress. It seems Maria may have done a lot of things under duress in this case.

SS,
Here is my take on this. There are many types of 'undergound characters' in all branches of the military. While stationed at Camp LeJeune and living off base, I loaned my car to a neighbor Marine's wife to run to the grocery store supposedly for an emergency quick trip to get supplies for their baby. They went on thirty days leave (vacation) in my car without my permission. I had total H*** trying to get assistance from the Onlow County Sheriff's Dept. I finally went to the Marine Corps and got assistance only by them informing his command of my situation. His command contacted his emergency leave information, revoked the remainder of his leave and ordered him back to Camp LeJeune. I was then informed by my command, that because this incident occurred off-base, it is entirely under the jurisdiction of local LE to recover my vehicle. I have said all of that to state this: I can clearly see how the POS went undetected for a week while driving her car both on and off of base. Maria's car already had approval to be driven on base. All vehicles for routine access to military bases are identified by a special sticker, color coded to identify enlisted, officer, civilian worker, etc. CL was able to slip pass MP's at the gate coming and going. Also, he looked right at home with local LE's by driving a military 'marked vehicle' while in military uniform. I can see where the Laureans were attempting to sell Maria's car to some unsuspecting Marine that could have been willing to wait for a title which would have never surfaced. After all, CL was a 'stellar Marine.' The new owner would not have needed clearance to get on base for several months. Maria already acquired that for them. What a low-life.
FMR.
:chicken:

[Schmerty_Jones]

Thank you FRMUSMC!Knowing what really goes on helps put things in perspective. I am starting to Love & Respect my Country, USA a lot less.:furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

WOW! That is quite a story, FMR!!! Amazing the gall of those people!!!

I can see what you mean now tho. So it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities that they could have been trying to sell it then. Interesting!! I hope LE looked seriously at that sign then!! Wowow!

[panthera]

FMRUSMC ~ thanks for the reply and I'm sorry that happened to you, but it does explain how CL and his wife could've tried to sell Maria's car, but someone would have to still make the payments (to whoever Maria financed it through) and the lienholder would have the title. I wish we knew whose phone # is on the 'for sale' sign. :)

[FMRUSMC]

FMRUSMC ~ thanks for the reply and I'm sorry that happened to you, but it does explain how CL and his wife could've tried to sell Maria's car, but someone would have to still make the payments (to whoever Maria financed it through) and the lienholder would have the title. I wish we knew whose phone # is on the 'for sale' sign. :)

I do too, I'm getting ready to install a more professional copy of Photoshop so I can extract the characters. I have this at work but not at home. Basically you zoom in, darken the characters and then search for high res pixels reconstructing the characters.

[FMRUSMC]

FMRUSMC ~ thanks for the reply and I'm sorry that happened to you, but it does explain how CL and his wife could've tried to sell Maria's car, but someone would have to still make the payments (to whoever Maria financed it through) and the lienholder would have the title. I wish we knew whose phone # is on the 'for sale' sign. :)

It is from this company - I don't know the original owners. This is the sticker on back of her car.

Morton Motors
(910) 353-8777
2021 Lejeune Blvd, Jacksonville, NC 28546

[btbsmith]

It is from this company - I don't know the original owners. This is the sticker on back of her car.

Morton Motors
(910) 353-8777
2021 Lejeune Blvd, Jacksonville, NC 28546
Anyone make sense of this? As I recall, Maria did not recently buy the car. Could this be the lein holder?

[Littledeer]

Here is the website for this company.

IMO, I think it was just put there for advertising purposes. And I am quite sure LE has contacted this place of business by now! At least I would hope so!!!

http://local.yahoo.com/details?id=13304253

[close_enough]

It does fit with buying a bus ticket and leaving.

Whether Maria OR CL put the "For Sale" sign in the car window that the sign was there is another reason LE and the Marines thought Maria left on her own.
Maybe CL gave Maria the stuffed toy as a present for "the baby" to put her guard down.

Unless CL was dropped off at Maria's house, she had to have driven to "his" place. Neither Maria's car or CL's car was around when the Durham got home. There would have to be an accomplice for car retrieving before Durham got home, too.

IMO

good point...."another reason" for sure, & you could very well be right about the stuffed toy too...

from what i understand, Maria's car was not home, when Durham got there....i'm still leaning toward Maria driving to Cesar's herself, after getting the money & bus ticket...something went wrong with some kind of "plan" though, & he killed her.......
jmo...

[JDB]

CE I still say there was not a Plam at least that Maria had. Remeber those words came from CL.

On a side note I read on Fox news site. Maria was buried Today.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, JDB. RIP Maria and baby. :(

[philamena]

I hope and pray there is justice for Maria and her baby boy. This case is getting little to no coverage on the cable news channels. :(

[panthera]

Hundreds say goodbye to Maria Lauterbach

VANDALIA — Hundreds of mourners prayed and wept at a funeral Mass Saturday honoring slain Marine Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and the unborn baby she had named Gabriel Joseph.
The Rev. Francis Keferl praised Lauterbach for continuing with her pregnancy even after pressing rape charges against the man now wanted in her murder, Cpl. Cesar Laurean.

"In the midst of very dark circumstances, she made the very tough decision to give life," he told the overflow crowd gathered at St. Christopher Catholic Church in Vandalia. "We celebrate her decision to protect Gabriel Joseph to the point of giving her own life."

Lauterbach, 20, a 2006 Butler High School graduate, was stationed at Camp Lejeune, N.C., when she went missing Dec. 14. Lauterbach's remains were later found in a backyard firepit in Jacksonville, N.C., where Laurean lived. Authorities believe he has fled to Mexico.

Dignitaries in attendance at the service included U.S. Rep. Michael Turner, R-Centerville, and Onslow County, N.C., Sheriff Ed Brown, the public face of the case during the early days of Lauterbach's disappearance.
Four Marines wheeled Lauterbach's casket into the sanctuary and a small silver casket was placed beside it near the altar.

"Gabriel Joseph's life was measured in months, not years," Keferl said during the Mass of Christian Burial. "Yet his precious, all-too-short life has touched so many gathered here and around the world."

Lauterbach's family sat together in the front row near a large, framed photograph of the young woman who had excelled in soccer and softball at Butler.

The priest recalled Lauterbach's "winning smile," athleticism and competitive spirit. "We remember she wanted to serve her country as a Marine," he said.

Two of Lauterbach's younger sisters, Theresa and Katie, fought back tears as they recited readings from the gospel. Katie read from 2 Timothy 4: I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith."

http://www.springfieldnewssun.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/02/02/ddn020208funeralweb.html

[davenj]

She was also given a twentyone gun salute from the marine Corps Honor Guard.
RIP Maria and baby Gabriel.

[Littledeer]

Antlers DOWN.......

Reading panthera's statement of the funeral;

How heartbreaking!! There are no words from me to express my sorrow or the sorrow from Maria's family.

RIP Maria and your precious child.....................

May God grant the wisdom and the patience for the LE to apprehend the killer who took your life and your sweet baby.

[Schmerty_Jones]

Rest in Peace, dear Maria & baby Gabriel. Safe in the arms of the angels. Our father God will not allow your 20 yrs of life & terrible death to go unnoticed. "Vengeance Is MINE " saith the Lord.

[btbsmith]

I admit that I'm impressed that sherrif Brown attended...

God bless Maria's family.

[Ticamom]

I admit that I'm impressed that sherrif Brown attended...

God bless Maria's family.

I was also touched by reading that the Sheriff had attended. He is a good man, and he truly cares.


Rest in Peace, Maria and Gabriel.

My sincere condolences to Maria's family.

[close_enough]

CE I still say there was not a Plam at least that Maria had. Remeber those words came from CL.

On a side note I read on Fox news site. Maria was buried Today.

you might be right, JDB, but for some reason i keep thinking "the plan" might be one thing he was telling the truth about.....Maria getting money, buying a bus ticket, trying to sell her car, writing a note to Durham....just sounds like there was some kind of plan, & maybe she changed her mind for some reaon....

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know why anyone would think that Sheriff Brown wouldn't attend. This case is very close to his heart. This is going to be the one that will haunt him the rest of his life, imo.

I know it is a family decision, but if it had been my grandchild...I would have put him in the arms of his mother for eternity. She never got to hold him in life. It is so very sad. Breaks my heart.

(When did they change the confirmation on the sex of the baby again?)

I have to agree with JDB (OMG Did I say that?!). I don't think there was any plan. You have to consider the source and it did come from CL. If a plan was botched, it was the plan of his and possibly Christina's to get rid of his problem.

I think it is pretty well established that Maria had no intention of leaving to have her baby in El Paso, TX or anywhere else. Until they come out and say that Maria wrote the note to Durham plus confirm that she was not under any kind of duress to do so...the other things don't bear this out. Cesar could have been with her at the ATM because he does put himself with her at the bus station.

[MysteryAddict]

Did anyone else wonder why Maria's "unborn" baby was buried in a separate little silver coffin?

Why wouldn't Gabriel Joseph be with Maria as Conner was with Laci?

I can't help thinking this was Mary's decision! One last swipe at Maria in death, taking her baby away from her!

I didn't think I could dislike that woman any more than I did since she called Maria a compulsive liar, you don't just throw comments like that out there when your 8 month pregnant daughter is missing unless you have some deep resentment against her.

Why did Mary resent Maria? Why did her Father never show his face in public, expressing his love for her or her siblings for that matter?

Someone knows the answers to these questions. My hope is that someday that person will write a book of Maria Lauterbach's life and the battles this brave Marine faced in her young life!

[SeriouslySearching]

All very good questions, Mystery. I have wondered why the rest of her family never came forward to support Maria and the mom.

There could be some issues that only the mom could answer. Was she perhaps raped at one time and she chose to go another route so she projected this onto to Maria? Was she unable to see the beauty of a grandchild that had come from such an act? Maybe she prejudiced against Hispanics?

I have no doubt there will be books written. I expect that is already in the works.

[STEADFAST]

All the mother did was try to give a complete detailed picture of her daughter to the police -- she didn't just "throw out there" that Maria was a compulsive liar, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that she had anything but a great love for her daughter.

As far as the separate burial goes, I bet they are trying to emphasize that Maria and her baby were two people, since the State of North Carolina doesn't acknowledge that.

[MCDRAW]

I too would have buried them together. But I'm sure the Mother had her reasons.

[Tom'sGirl]

I too would have buried them together. But I'm sure the Mother had her reasons.

As was reported:

The family has requested two caskets, one for the slain 20-year-old woman and another for her unborn baby. "Maria would absolutely want that," her mother, Mary Lauterbach, had told the Dayton Daily News last week

[chiperoni]

All the mother did was try to give a complete detailed picture of her daughter to the police -- she didn't just "throw out there" that Maria was a compulsive liar, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that she had anything but a great love for her :blowkiss: daughter.

As far as the separate burial goes, I bet they are trying to emphasize that Maria and her baby were two people, since the State of North Carolina doesn't acknowledge that.
Since the mom sent Maria to a private Catholic School and is raising her family as devout Catholics I also think she felt that Maria would want the world to know that Gabriel was a separate little person and that Maria believed in the Catholic tradition of the sanctity of life. I think she feels that's what Maria would want that (as stated in the Dayton news link above in Tom'sGirl) Now I am just guessing about her reason, and I can't even begin to say it's ok, but it's such a personal decision I hesitate to even make a judgement. I don't know all the facts. As far as the funeral was concerned, it was a beautiful tribute to Maria and her baby Gabriel. I wish that CL and his aunt Marie could read the newspaper coverage about Maria L and Gabriels' funeral. CL needs to be reminded about what he did IMO.

[galvino]

I agree, chip

She may have been making a statement to all those states (like NC) that don't yet count the murder of an unborn baby a murder- burying Gabriel seperately makes the point that he was indeed his own little person. So sad, and I like you, don't want to pass judgement on this mother-whatever her motives- who just buried her child and grandchild.

[Tom'sGirl]

I've read a lot of coverage, and seen several vids, but this one was emotional to watch.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/mplayer/news/61086 (http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/mplayer/news/61086)

Also, an added note in case you missed it:
Marine Sgt. Daniel Durham, who gave Maria Lauterbach a place to stay off base, sat beside Mary Lauterbach during the Mass of Christian burial.
(http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/02/03/ddn020308funeralinside.html)

[chiperoni]

That video was very emotional to watch Tom'sGirl. There were so many touching scenes. Mary L and Maria's siblings look devastated and the 21 gun salute was so dramatic. I did not know Sgt. Durham sat with the family. He must be in good stead with Mary. It will be interesting to hear Sgt. Durham's testimony as the case unfolds.

[MysteryAddict]

I too would have buried them together. But I'm sure the Mother had her reasons.


Oh, I'm sure Mary had her reason.

I just personally find it sad to think of separating an infant from his Mother and I find Sharon's choice much more loving.

[Truly]

One possibly reason for separate caskets may be that there may still be a need to disinterr(sp?) one or the other for future prosecution (the baby for instance in a rape prosecution of CL?/ Maria to further verify cause of death against CL's claims?), and the family was trying to let their loved ones rest in as much peace as they can possibly find. Please remember that Maria's family might one day read these comments, and please let us not judge them. The pain must be unbearable. Rest In Peace Maria and baby.

[davenj]

Maria did what a real Marine would have done.She stood up for herself,and she protected Gabriel.She had guts.She enlisted in a time when she knew she could be sent to Iraq or Afghanastain.She made it through boot camp.She stood up and said something when she was raped knowing that there would be a backlash against her.She protected her baby till the end.I believe she was never going to leave the area and was keeping her son.That made CL and his wife crazy.The only one who helped her was her roomate.I just hope Maria and Gabriel find the peace that they never had here in this life.

[btbsmith]

The funeral was at the top of the front page of Sunday's Dayton Daily. From the large picture Mary and Maria's siblings looked totally devasted. I will check to see if Sgt Durham was in that pic, dad was not, but could have been a palbearer as the pic showed edge of casket with family behind... ...very sad.

[davenj]

I was just reading the timeline posted by LittleDeer.It states that CL joined his current unit on 4/6/5.If you watch the interview of the shadowy figure who says CL is like McGyver,she stated that she worked with him for about 4 years....CL just passed his 2 year mark,so how can that be?Boot camp is 3 months,MCT is a month and I belive logistics school is a month.So,how did she work with him for 4 years?

[Crime-Dreamer]

No. She wasn't in for four years. She didn't enter until 2006.

[davenj]

What I meant was the person in the interview said she knew CL(worked with him) for 4 years.

[Mygirlsadie]

YES YES YES! :clap:





Maria did what a real Marine would have done.She stood up for herself,and she protected Gabriel.She had guts.She enlisted in a time when she knew she could be sent to Iraq or Afghanastain.She made it through boot camp.She stood up and said something when she was raped knowing that there would be a backlash against her.She protected her baby till the end.I believe she was never going to leave the area and was keeping her son.That made CL and his wife crazy.The only one who helped her was her roomate.I just hope Maria and Gabriel find the peace that they never had here in this life.

[davenj]

I'm putting this in this thread because it's about Maria.I honestly believe that she was raped.The girl who got interviewed and said CL is like McGyver said he had no pics of the wife and kids on his desk..but if ya look at the pics posted of him,he's got his ring on.There's no way there was adoubt he was married.

Maria joins the Marines right out of high school coming from a strong Catholic background.There was never any mention of her having a boyfriend,no prom pics,that I know of.My belief is that she was into being a Marine(her tattoo) and sports.I think that Maria wanted nothing to do with him and he was hitting on her.She knew he was married and had no interest in having an affair.He wanted her,she didn't buy into his game.So he raped her,figuring she'd say nothing or it would get swept under the carpet.I also think somewhere down the road we'll find out that he harassed more women than just Maria.He's a predator.

I believe the wife had to have had some part in it all.I've asked a few women I work with and they all agreed.If thier husband was having an affair or raped someone they would know what she looked like,where she worked the whole nine yards.There are so many twists and turns that I doubt we'll ever find out the whole story.When and if CL is caught you just know his story and Christina's will contradict.

[Crime-Dreamer]

Maria's mother said that Christina confronted Maria and called her a bi#$h.

Personally, I think the wife was involved but maybe because she too was afraid of him. I think there was another man involved. I think the plan was to end the pregnancy and the murder was not planned.

[Crime-Dreamer]

I think the mother definately buried them seperatly to prove the point that their were two victims in this crime. She has stated over and over Maria and her child, Maria and her child. She has also stated that Maria was a martry for her baby meaning that she died to give her baby life. If she had not kept the baby, she probably would not have been murdered. There were two caskets because there were two lives. Her mother has set up a foundation for victims and has made this issue very clear to the press. They are also doing follow up stories about women and sexual assults in the military with the local media that had the exculsive interviews with her mother. It looks like her mother plans to expose the military cover up on sexual assults. My guess would also be that there may be additional autopsy requests on either Maria or the baby. Maybe it was important that the DNA of both be seperated.

[KOOL LOOK]

As was reported:

How does Mary know how Maria would want herself and the babe buried? I want to know, I don't buy this for a minute. I just read about the separate burials. Another attempt to separate Maria from her baby.

There is no way in Hades Mary can justify that statement as reported in this link given. No way. That woman is messed slam up. The baby should have been buried with the mama.

[dottierainbow]

We are complete strangers. How dare we say what Maria's mother did was wrong in burying them in seperate caskets. I believe that their spirits left their body as soon as they died. They are no longer in their shells. Let the mother/grandmother grieve in how she sees fit.

[Crime-Dreamer]

Her mother did not report her as being a pathalogical lier. The police detective in the sherriff's office wrote that on the report and it was seen that way by the media. They spoke daily. Her mother was not forcing her to give the baby up for adoption only discusing it with her since she had been suffering so much from the multiple rapes by the father. She had reported rapes on two occasions by CL.

[KOOL LOOK]

I have a right to my opinion, and I'm expressing it. Yes, their spirits left there bodies, for the lord says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.

This is just another reason why they should have been buried together, as they were in life. Just as they were before man separated them. I know how I spiritually discerned Mary on the two media shots I witnessed on tv, so I'll leave it there, for I don't need to know someone forever to have discernment, a God given gift.

She has her right to grieve as she wills, and she will, and I can honor that. Maria obviously loved the baby, she had given him the name of one of the most powerful Angels in the Bible Gabriel, Joseph being of a significant Biblical reference also. I believe she was looking forward to the birth of her baby. No matter how he came about being, she rose above that, obviously some didn't.

[hollyjokers]

Well not saying that is what the idea was behind it, but if you were trying to make a statement about recognizing that two lives were lost, that was a pretty good way to do it. That silver casket was so small, I've never seen one that little. Just breaks your heart all over again. I was irritated by Mary's comments that were made early in the investigation, but hearing her talk about Maria and seeing the family's grief at the funeral, I would never want to be in her shoes. I think the Marines took her comments as justification for not doing all they could, why else would they have been released to the media?

[STEADFAST]

I know how I spiritually discerned Mary on the two media shots I witnessed on tv, so I'll leave it there, for I don't need to know someone forever to have discernment, a God given gift.



From what I have read of Maria and her family, I can discern that her heart would be broken by hateful words about her mother.

[KOOL LOOK]

From what I have read of Maria and her family, I can discern that her heart would be broken by hateful words about her mother.

I haven't said hateful words about her mother Steadfast, I commented and am allowed to say I don't agree with how Maria and Gabriel was separated. I've said nothing hateful. Accusing posters of being hateful is a far jump when they just don't agree with something a person does. That's what we do here.

[dottierainbow]

I don't think Maria's mom is messed up slam because the baby was not buried with Maria. I believe she may have been messed up because her daughter and grandaughter were murdered.
Yes, you may have your opinion as we may have ours. I for one have compassion for Maria's mother. I know I have not been the perfect mother ,or my children the perfect child, but I know one thing I love my children as I believe Maria's mother loved her. I believe it's trivial if they were buried in two caskets. Who has it hurt?
If a mother was killed in a car accident with 3 children who would be buried in the casket with the mom?

[davenj]

Can someone here post a link or tell me how Maria had a confrontation with Christina?Christina show up at the base or what?

[dottierainbow]

I personally apologize to anyone who was offended by me using the words (How dare we say) I believe that Maria's mother is a victim and maybe I was too harsh. What I wrote is how I feel but my intent was not to offend anyone. I am not here to argue. That is why I don't go to the Jon Benet thread anymore.
We are complete strangers. How dare we say what Maria's mother did was wrong in burying them in seperate caskets. I believe that their spirits left their body as soon as they died. They are no longer in their shells. Let the mother/grandmother grieve in how she sees fit.

[KOOL LOOK]

dottierainbow, I understand and am here for the same reasons, and not to argue with any of the members here, cuz I like all of you, except some of my closest peeps who can get on my last nerve every now and then. :crazy:

I have no doubt Mary has been traumatized, for murder is horrible to deal with on top of the loss of a family member. I'm not holding anything against her, I'm just commenting on what I know doesn't appear right.

Dave, it's on several threads, I don't know how to post links or I would, some of the other members here will do it for ya, there very nice. Go bug littledeer, she'll do it for ya. :eek: She's always on a mission. Yes, according to a few reports they did have this confrontation, which is believable and I could understand Christina saying this to Maria, but not while she was pregnant, that's the only problem I have about the confrontation, I just can't see cussin a pregnant woman, especially when they did make the claim of rape, there's that hint of consent in the air even if Caesar said and Christine believed it wasn't so. It was still the elephant in the room between the two during the incident.

dottie, they make real big caskets, I've known of such incidences, though very few, where the children would be buried together for viewing also in larger caskets. Very good point though.

In this particular case, it was just an untried mother and babe who all they had was each other for eight months. The very last phone conversation in which Mary accepted from Maria was contentious according to Durham and Maria was very upset, sooooooooo I'll leave it there.

The evidence of behavior speaks and proves more likely than not Maria would have wanted the baby with her, than not. I just don't see where the statement this is what Maria wanted, give me something, a foundation to stand on.

[Crime-Dreamer]

I saw it on a report on WDTN TV in Dayton, Ohio. It was a video interview with Maria's mother. I don't know if it is still posted or not. It occured on the base. Mary reported that Maria told her about it. Maria's uncle reported to the same TV station that Maria was also punched in the face by an unknow person and that her car had been keyed. Those are some of the incidents that lead up to her moving off base. She was being threatened and physically abused on the base. I will try to find those links. I don't know all of the features this site yet.

[davenj]

I saw it on a report on WDTN TV in Dayton, Ohio. It was a video interview with Maria's mother. I don't know if it is still posted or not. It occured on the base. Mary reported that Maria told her about it. Maria's uncle reported to the same TV station that Maria was also punched in the face by an unknow person and that her car had been keyed. Those are some of the incidents that lead up to her moving off base. She was being threatened and physically abused on the base. I will try to find those links. I don't know all of the features this site yet.

Thanks Dreamer.Appreciate it.

[Crime-Dreamer]

Mother of Slain Marine talks to 2News

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/category.asp?C=99895&nav=menu590_2

Interview from day before the funeral day after the visitation. Friday. Mary says the military did not consider Maria a credible witness to the attack. Announcement of the name of the fund for women.

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/category.asp?C=99895&nav=menu590_2

Maria Lauterbach's Mother Talks to 2News - same link different video on list.

Interview the day of visitation. Maria reported the rape in the spring. She was not seen as credible by the military according to their reports. CL was never arrested. She considers her daughter a martyr for her baby. She will bring meaning to her death. Maria told her she never had a relationship with CL and avoided him. Maria wanted to continue the pregnancy. Mary told her she was a hero for doing that. Reporter said they would be barried together.

Opinion-there were two caskets at the funeral but that does not mean that the funeral directors did not burrie them together after everyone left. There was only one grave. Maybe they needed the DNA seperate and placed one casket inside the other. I believe the mother definately wanted the point made that there were two lives. Maybe there were two caskets but they were burried togeter.

The funeral was done in the name of both Maria and her child.

[soobs]

:furious: Passing judgement on Maria's mother isn't what this discussion is supposed to be about. It's about sleuthing not dissing the poor women. It's not our place to judge her, or how she handled her daughter's funeral etc., Let it rest. The last time I checked, there's only ONE JUDGE of all of us. It's no one's business other than her family's, how anything relating to Maria was handled. JMHO

[dottierainbow]

Thank you Soobs.:blowkiss: :furious: Passing judgement on Maria's mother isn't what this discussion is supposed to be about. It's about sleuthing not dissing the poor women. It's not our place to judge her, or how she handled her daughter's funeral etc., Let it rest. The last time I checked, there's only ONE JUDGE of all of us. It's no one's business other than her family's, how anything relating to Maria was handled. JMHO

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't feel badly about stating my opinion on such things. People do things for a reason and we are here to discuss the reasons. The mother is a victim in all of this, however, her very own disparaging statements of Maria did put her in this discussion to begin with. For us to discuss her motives for saying such things or the way she has handled this case from the beginning, as far as I am concerned, is fair.

Do I feel badly she lost her daughter and grandchild? Of course. It is horrible.

Do I feel like she should not have told people her daughter was a compulsive liar when she went missing? You betcha!!

Do I feel like we should be able to discuss the reasoning behind her comments and actions? Absolutely...if we are to understand what Maria was dealing with from the homefront as well as the Marine Corp. during her pregnancy and her rape case.

[Crime-Dreamer]

[quote=Crime-Dreamer;1967087]Her mother did not report her as being a pathalogical lier. The police detective in the sherriff's office wrote that on the report and it was seen that way by the media.

http://www.wdtn.com/Global/SearchResults.asp?RecordNum=11&vendor=wss&qu=maria+lauterbach

Maria Lauterbach's Mother on the Today Show

Her mother explains why she reported a history of lying as it had affected Maria's credablity in the rape case. I am not trying to defend her mother. I think Nancy Grace blamed her mother for calling her a pathalocial lier and said that caused a delay in the search for her. That report by the sherrif's department was not even filed until after Maria was dead and buried and had been missing for how many weeks with no action by the Sheriff's department because they were never notified by the USMC. My understanding is that nothing was taken seriously in North Carolina to locate her and they had considered heruntil the CNN afiliate in Ohio ran the story on Wednesday and it hit CNN. Then they found her by Friday. From the blogs on the Web site by her sister to find her people from Jacksonville and from Camp LeJune said it was not on the news down there until it hit CNN on that Wednesday.

[Littledeer]

:waitasec:

Antlers are red, green, blue, etc. from all the different vibes here.

I would have never thought that a mother burying her daughter and grandchild would have caused so much friction on right or wrong.

Where do I start?? Lets' start with Kool Look, that one is easy!

Go bug littledeer, she'll do it for ya. :eek: She's always on a mission.

:blowkiss: I'm on a mission???? I thought it was foraging? Okay, who needs help?? And what can I do? Thanks Kool Look for offering my services. stomping.

Everyone else.......

As I said, Mary had/has the right on how the burial proceedings should be for Maria and her grandchild. Personally, I don't think anyone should have anything to say about that, but "Go in Peace Maria and Gabriel".

As far as SS, I also have to agree that what is known as FACT that transpired between Maria and her mother before her death, is very important. IMO, what was said between the two could have very likely been the catalyst for everything that happened afterwards.

AND I DO NOT MEAN TO SAY THAT MOM SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!

If nothing else, maybe we should all think what we say before we say it. You never know how it can affect the person that you are saying it to.

[Crime-Dreamer]

Still looking for the link of the video that reported CL confronted Maria on base before the murder and called her a b@#ch. I haven't found it yet but I know I have seen it or read it. DavenJ asked for it. Still looking for it.

[KOOL LOOK]

I think someone already helped Dave earlier to day with his questions, darling. Your always good at digging up information and I knew you were a good souce to direct him to.

We have pretty much figured out Maria got all that money the last day she was alive from atm, which was not long after her conversation with her mother, what besides what Durham has expressed could have been said to her for her to do so drastic things as get that much money out?

I feel like Mary may have said something that changed the whole course of Maria's mindset and what she did thereafter. Things just aren't adding up.

If my daughter was 8 months pregnant, raped twice she wouldn't be out searching for an unmarried man to harbor her, I would have found her a place to be safe, I wouldn't have been able to live with myself had I not. Restaining orders, allegations, Maria's due date, health and safety, and she had to go live with almost a complete stranger? :mad:

She had no one but Durham, geez why didn't they fall in love and live happily ever after?

[Littledeer]

Not sure there is a video of Maria's Mother stating that Christina confronted Maria and called her a b**ch????

I thought it was just a statement that Mary made and was reported in a news article?

However, I will take a look around and see if I can find something. (Not a mission KL!) :):)

[davenj]

Thanks for looking for me.It's cool.I was just wondering wether or not the confrontation happened on base or not.It would also prove that Christina did in fact know what Maria looked like and where to find her.Two other things I was wondering.

First.For arguments sake,it's been suggested that Maria and CL were having an affair.Where would they have the affair?Maria was in the baracks until about a month before her death.CL lived in town.I really doubt they hung out in her barracks room.People would be talking about that instantly.On the flip side,she sure didn't go and hang out at his house.People would have noticed that right away as well.Going out into town is an option,but then CL has to find an excuse(s) to go out away from the family quite frequently.I know when we would hang out in Jacksonville,ya couldn't swing a dead cat without seeing someone ya knew from base,so that would be risky at best.I believe there was no affair.

Second.My son is only four.Not old enough to be away from home or be a father yet.I do know that when he's that age if he's married or has a girfriend and she's 8.5 months pregnant I'd be whereever he was with them.Especially if I had a daughter.I'm not judging Maria's relationship with her mother but wouldn't ya think her mother would have gome down to be wih her for support and to help out after the baby ws born?

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm not judging Maria's relationship with her mother but wouldn't ya think her mother would have gome down to be wih her for support and to help out after the baby ws born?
At this point we don't know for certain what the plans were regarding the child, adoption or other.

[Littledeer]

TG:

You can be as tight lipped as the LE sometimes! :)

davenj:

Your question was asking about Marias' mother coming down AFTER the baby was born. Since that couldn't happen, (Maria and baby found dead), there is no way any one of us can say that yes or no, that Mary would have or would have not gone down to help Maria with the baby.

I don't think you were asking about adoption or not which is what TG said in the response that was posted.

[Crime-Dreamer]

Mary talked to Maria on December 14 at 2:30 in the afternoon. Mary was planning on going down to see Maria that Weekend. Mary's birthday was December 19 I believe. They had plans to go out to dinner. Maria sent an e-mail to her father after that 2:30 phone conversation saying how happy she was that her mother was coming down and where they were going for dinner. That was told by Mary to WDTN TV in Dayton on video.

Maria's uncle confirmed that and the Marines confirmed that her father confirmed recieving the e-mail from Maria on December 14 after 2:30. Maria's uncle said Mary was planning to return as soon as Maria went into labor to be there for the delivery. That is on a video on WDTN TV from Friday January 11, in an interview the afternoon the Sherrif announced she was dead.

[Tom'sGirl]

TG:

You can be as tight lipped as the LE sometimes! :)
LOL, you're right, I can be.

The fact that Mary has said a few things to the Media like mentioning suspecting Maria being Bi-Polar were said by her, and not heresay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrHZgjx4Aw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHrHZgjx4Aw)

Mary has minor children at home and it may be if she intended to travel from Ohio to NC it could have been for other reasons other than just a visit. It may have been to make final arrangements for adoption, don't know.

There are many things that haven't been cleared up, and maybe will never be as far what exactly the plans were for the unborn child.

[dottierainbow]

I think we have all said things to others that we shouldn't of said. I can go to thread after thread where we mention something about our children, our spouses, our neighbors, and our bosses, our illnesses, and etc.We are imperfect in an imperfect world. My closet has been cluttered @ times and maybe I shared something I shouldn't of. I've even shared on this board as others about illnesses and illness in my family. I will not condemn Maria's mom even if she shared that her daughter was possible bipolar. I think I understand her as a mom and have made mistakes with my own kids. Is tere anyone here that hasn't opened their mouth when it concerned someone you love? Honestly?

[Mygirlsadie]

I agree dottie.. Sometimes after hubby and I get into it about something and I am talking to a friend I will say something like 'seriously he needs to get his brain examined because he is nuts!' He really isn't nuts it's just my emotions doing the talking... I wonder how many times my daughter has vented to her friends about how mean I am after I told her NO about something.. But I know she loves me dearly & really don't think that way. (ok well she might lol)





I think we have all said things to others that we shouldn't of said. I can go to thread after thread where we mention something about our children, our spouses, our neighbors, and our bosses, our illnesses, and etc.We are imperfect in an imperfect world. My closet has been cluttered @ times and maybe I shared something I shouldn't of. I've even shared on this board as others about illnesses and illness in my family. I will not condemn Maria's mom even if she shared that her daughter was possible bipolar. I think I understand her as a mom and have made mistakes with my own kids. Is tere anyone here that hasn't opened their mouth when it concerned someone you love? Honestly?

[Pepperoni]

Has anyone seen this myspace account? Someone made threats on the ML memorial page..

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=328292074&blogID=354753249

Sorry if it's been posted already.

[davenj]

Has anyone seen this myspace account? Someone made threats on the ML memorial page..

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=328292074&blogID=354753249

Sorry if it's been posted already.

Thanks for the heads up.Did you read both pages?Another Marine got on and mentioned that a Sgt. in the one turd's unit saw the page and threats and forwarded it to the Sgt.Maj. of the turd's unit.He was recalled and is now facing a rather large legal problem.Just for the record,all my buddies who are still in that I've talked with recently want to "have a little fun" with CL.The "fun" doesn't consist of beers and cards either.

[Pepperoni]

Thanks for the heads up.Did you read both pages?Another Marine got on and mentioned that a Sgt. in the one turd's unit saw the page and threats and forwarded it to the Sgt.Maj. of the turd's unit.He was recalled and is now facing a rather large legal problem.Just for the record,all my buddies who are still in that I've talked with recently want to "have a little fun" with CL.The "fun" doesn't consist of beers and cards either.

I didn't realize there was second page. Thanks! I just went back and read that one too. Hope they get to the bottom of this!

[dottierainbow]

This is so sad about the myspace threats. We forget who the suspect killer is. Even if she had skeletons( which I'm not saying she did) in her closet no one had the right to take her life. Only the perpatrator is responsible for the 2 deaths of Maria and her baby.

[Crime-Dreamer]

There are several threats going on to women on different sites. There are women who claim to be from camp LeJune who say it is always covered up. There is a thread on one site that was created when she was missing before she was found dead that was supposed to be people from the camp giving info about where she might be and help to find her. They reported another pregnant woman killed at the camp last year that was not reported to media or LE. From what I have read it seems that the women are threatened and beaten if they report attacks or rape. There are also reports of murders at the camp by Marines. I am trying to research these claims. On Myspace, some of those same women are on a site supossedly started by Maria saying their husband held a shotgun to their head and fired. She moved the barrel of the gun and bullet went through base housing. The millitary recommened she stay with him for four years while he abused her. Their claims and other claims on other sites are that that base has a policy to get the women to stay with the men no matter what. Read it for yourself. It is all over MySpace and Facebook. It would explain why CL was not arrested after the rape allegations or even after her disappearance. I cannot find the oline records of Onslow County to verify. There are a few reports in the local newspapers but not the final resolutions of the cases.

[Crime-Dreamer]

I'm sorry if I seem to be hogging the replies. I just found this site a few days ago and you all seem to know more and have more resources to solve and find info. Other sites just disscuss so I am asking questions. I appreciate you help. This is one I need to help solve.

Does anyone know CL's work schedule on December 14,15, 16...? The attacks were reported to have taken place at night when they were working alone. Was he still working at night and off work in the afternoon say after Maria talked to her mother and while his wife was at the party? Or was he schedluled to be at work and did he report?

[Littledeer]

Wow! I am stomping mad. It appears from what you have written that the females on base are treated like sh** by their fellow male comrades. Can you post the links for these other sites you are referring to??

If you go to the thread titled "Timeline by Date", you will see what happened as far as we know by sources what happened on December 14th, December 15th and December 16th. I would have brought it over here for you to see, but it is lengthy.

Hope it helps answer your question!