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chicoliving
01-26-2008, 04:09 PM
Continue here!

Littledeer
01-26-2008, 04:49 PM
Thanks birthday girl chico!

Hope you don't mind me bringing forward the other threads. I can't get 9; 10 and 11. Help?? It would help me out a little bit for the timeline thread.

Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #8 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58692)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58574)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #6 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58547)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58506)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58496)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58465)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58429)

Missing 8 mth pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58274)

panthera
01-26-2008, 09:06 PM
:HappyBday
Happy Birthday Chico!

I haven't heard anything today about CL, Geraldo isn't on, and I don't think we'll even have anything tonight on the cable news with the political coverage going on.

Littledeer
01-26-2008, 09:28 PM
panthera:

Isn't that so sad.............

politics over life...........

but I agree, we won't be hearing anything and I HOPE it's NOT because LE OR FBI or CSI or anyone is NOT doing anything to find CL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That includes any Mexican LE too!!!

chicoliving
01-26-2008, 09:36 PM
Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #11 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58929)

Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #10 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58802)

Missing 8 mo Pregnant Marine Maria Frances Lauterbach- NC #9 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58760)

kathyn2
01-26-2008, 11:26 PM
It is so sad. The story has pretty much disappeared. Unless they are doing something to catch the guy or do catch him, I doubt we will hear about this case again.

philamena
01-27-2008, 01:14 AM
kathyn2,
Don't give up hope yet. ;)
I'm dismayed that the news shows haven't discussed this case in the past 2 days but politics in this country are taking front and center.
I don't think that this case is going cold yet because it was so horrific in nature and it was committed by a Marine. That won't be forgotten.

swa
01-27-2008, 02:50 AM
I think the reward is going to need to be raised to get attention in Mexico. Put a $100,000.00 bounty on this guy and someone will give hm up.

Mygirlsadie
01-27-2008, 02:57 AM
Nah this story has not disappeared by a long shot! CL & CL couldn't get so lucky.. the media & people like us are going to be their worst enemies and we aren't going anywhere... :)





It is so sad. The story has pretty much disappeared. Unless they are doing something to catch the guy or do catch him, I doubt we will hear about this case again.

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 02:43 PM
No, this story isn't going to fade so quickly. The outrage of the community surrounding Maria, the Marines, and the fact he has run to Mexico will keep this in the news for a long time.

The Primary Elections are taking over the national media for the moment and every story is taking a backburner to politics.

panthera
01-27-2008, 03:33 PM
I noticed that too ~ nothing is getting coverage except the presidential primaries. It just seems discouraging because he's in Mexico and I wonder just how hard they'll try to bring him to justice here. :(

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 03:55 PM
I think they are just now setting the wheels in motion since they got the GJ indictment. They had to have it in place before they could solicit the Mexican authorities to do anything except hold him if he did something wrong there and they came across him. Now, they will be able to actively arrest him for the charges here instead.

panthera
01-27-2008, 04:05 PM
I know who is going to find him!! :D

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/27/where-is-otr-producer-steph-watts-and-where-is-mark-fuhrman/

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 05:37 PM
I would kiss Mark F. on the mouth for finding Cesar!!! hehehe

I wonder if Fuhrman is packing?! Looks like a very rough slum area to me. I do hope they are very careful!!

Tom'sGirl
01-27-2008, 06:12 PM
I would kiss Mark F. on the mouth for finding Cesar!!! hehehe



I wonder if Fuhrman is packing?! Looks like a very rough slum area to me. I do hope they are very careful!!

I know you had to be joking about 'packin' since he had to clear customs at the Air Port :)

Camper
01-27-2008, 06:42 PM
Interesting!!!!!!!!! Betcha those two guys are wearing horn ribbed eyeglasses with fake noses and a mustache, or something similar to ease their way into the 'potential' find him area.

I hope Cesar sp? has come back across the border, as his aunt said he was not in Mexico now, cuz the death penalty is off if caught in America, right?

January 30th will give Cesar sp? 45 days absent, and qualify him for desertion, OR is that only IF he deserts from a field of battle in war time?

That would be an automatic death penalty right?

.

panthera
01-27-2008, 06:59 PM
I would kiss Mark F. on the mouth for finding Cesar!!! hehehe

I wonder if Fuhrman is packing?! Looks like a very rough slum area to me. I do hope they are very careful!!
I don't like the looks of the area either but I'm sure Mark can take care of himself! :)

kathyn2
01-27-2008, 07:04 PM
This is an email from one of Greta's team that is down in Mexico looking for info on Laurean. Can you believe no one is doing a thing and the family doesn't care about his crime and are not turning him in or anything. That doesn't surprise me. Anyway, here is the message. Sounds like Greta will be doing this story at least this week:

From: Watts, Stephen
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Cooper, Meade
Sent: Sun Jan 27 16:30:34 2008
Subject: New pics and Breaking News

I just sent you a picture of Cesar Laureans aunts liquor store. This is NOT the same liquor store as earlier reported. He went here FIRST. She has new details about Cesar Laurean. Her name is Maria Ramirez. She is Cesars mothers sister. She has 10 siblings, so Cesar has a huge extended family here. Aunt Maria said Cesar came in on Mon or Tues Jan 14th or 15th. She already knew about the crime but said the topic never came up. She said he looked normal he was clean shaven. She says she hadnít seen him in 6 years and didnít ask him why he was here or where he was going. He then went across the street to the cousins liquor store. She claims heís no longer in the area and says she doesnít know where he is. She claims she she has not spoken to her sister, Laureans mother. No law enforcement from either country has asked any interviews any of Laureans family.

kathyn2
01-27-2008, 07:05 PM
No, the death penalty is not OFF if he is caught in American. He could definitely get the DP if caught here. Its Mexico that is the problem. If caught there, no DP in order to extradite him.

Ticamom
01-27-2008, 07:27 PM
Interesting!!!!!!!!! Betcha those two guys are wearing horn ribbed eyeglasses with fake noses and a mustache, or something similar to ease their way into the 'potential' find him area.

I hope Cesar sp? has come back across the border, as his aunt said he was not in Mexico now, cuz the death penalty is off if caught in America, right?

January 30th will give Cesar sp? 45 days absent, and qualify him for desertion, OR is that only IF he deserts from a field of battle in war time?

That would be an automatic death penalty right?

.

Camper, could you please post the link of what his aunt said ?

Thanks in advance:)

kathyn2
01-27-2008, 07:33 PM
The aunt 'quote is right above where I posted. It was stated by Stephen from Greta's show.

panthera
01-27-2008, 07:34 PM
Aunt Maria knew about the murder but didn't ask CL anything about it? No LE has been questioning the family? :eek:

Ticamom
01-27-2008, 07:42 PM
Thanks, Kathyn2 !


This is an email from one of Greta's team that is down in Mexico looking for info on Laurean. Can you believe no one is doing a thing and the family doesn't care about his crime and are not turning him in or anything. That doesn't surprise me. Anyway, here is the message. Sounds like Greta will be doing this story at least this week:

From: Watts, Stephen
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Cooper, Meade
Sent: Sun Jan 27 16:30:34 2008
Subject: New pics and Breaking News

I just sent you a picture of Cesar Laureans aunts liquor store. This is NOT the same liquor store as earlier reported. He went here FIRST. She has new details about Cesar Laurean. Her name is Maria Ramirez. She is Cesars mothers sister. She has 10 siblings, so Cesar has a huge extended family here. Aunt Maria said Cesar came in on Mon or Tues Jan 14th or 15th. She already knew about the crime but said the topic never came up. She said he looked normal he was clean shaven. She says she hadnít seen him in 6 years and didnít ask him why he was here or where he was going. He then went across the street to the cousins liquor store. She claims heís no longer in the area and says she doesnít know where he is. She claims she she has not spoken to her sister, Laureans mother. No law enforcement from either country has asked any interviews any of Laureans family.

All I can say in response to POS' aunt saying this is YEAH, RIGHT LADY !!!!!!!
NOT !!!!!!!! :furious:

Tom'sGirl
01-27-2008, 07:43 PM
Camper, could you please post the link of what his aunt said ?
Thanks in advance:)

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/27/email-for-the-last-two-pics-on-the-blog/

kathyn2
01-27-2008, 08:03 PM
I do wonder where Cesar went. I do not believe he would stay in Guadalajara because knows that LE will eventually look for him there (they should have been down there at the border the day they found him gone!!!). I wonder if he knows people in other areas of Mexico or beyond or where he would head to? He has alot of ba**s to go right to relatives in Guadalajara! I wonder if they gave him money?

panthera
01-27-2008, 08:11 PM
kathyn it sounds like there are a lot of relatives according to the email so they could be scattered throughout the country. I'd imagine he wouldn't contact this aunt or cousin again though! :)

SeriouslySearching
01-27-2008, 08:35 PM
He has tons of relatives there to hide him among not only family...but extended family and friends. I suspect he will stay very near Guadalajara to remain underground. Like I said before, we don't know who they know there. The family connections could go very high and he could be protected by some Mexican authorities at this point. It is impossible to tell.

And Yes, TG...I was kidding about Mark packing. LOL

chiperoni
01-28-2008, 12:46 AM
Hopefully more congressmen will put pressure on our government to encourage cooperation from the Mexican authorities in the investigation. Mexico has received CL's formal endictment. That $25,000 reward is a real enticement too.

Mygirlsadie
01-28-2008, 12:53 AM
Ok sure thing Aunt Maria.. your probably about as trust worthy as your wonderful nephew! Those types won't ever turn their back on familia so we won't ever get anything worthy out of them. More then likely they would even lie under oath. :rolleyes:






This is an email from one of Greta's team that is down in Mexico looking for info on Laurean. Can you believe no one is doing a thing and the family doesn't care about his crime and are not turning him in or anything. That doesn't surprise me. Anyway, here is the message. Sounds like Greta will be doing this story at least this week:

From: Watts, Stephen
To: Van Susteren, Greta; Cooper, Meade
Sent: Sun Jan 27 16:30:34 2008
Subject: New pics and Breaking News

I just sent you a picture of Cesar Laureans aunts liquor store. This is NOT the same liquor store as earlier reported. He went here FIRST. She has new details about Cesar Laurean. Her name is Maria Ramirez. She is Cesars mothers sister. She has 10 siblings, so Cesar has a huge extended family here. Aunt Maria said Cesar came in on Mon or Tues Jan 14th or 15th. She already knew about the crime but said the topic never came up. She said he looked normal he was clean shaven. She says she hadnít seen him in 6 years and didnít ask him why he was here or where he was going. He then went across the street to the cousins liquor store. She claims heís no longer in the area and says she doesnít know where he is. She claims she she has not spoken to her sister, Laureans mother. No law enforcement from either country has asked any interviews any of Laureans family.

murdershewrote
01-28-2008, 06:39 PM
I seriously would not count on all that much effort from the Mexican government, which is completely corrupt. Right now Tijuana has become murder central on a daily basis, so they have their own problems to deal with.

SeriouslySearching
01-28-2008, 06:51 PM
I found an interesting read on the Mexican police.

http://worldpolicy.org/projects/globalrights/mexico/2000-fall-wpj-mexpolice.html

Pepper
01-28-2008, 07:02 PM
Too bad LE can't pay one of those "coyotes" that are so good at smuggling illegals across the border to grab CL's sorry azz and smuggle him back here so he can stand trial without the DP being removed.

Tom'sGirl
01-28-2008, 07:21 PM
Monday, January 28, 2008
Mary Lauterbach will be interviewed Tuesday on NBC's "Today." Lauterbach is the mother of Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, the slain pregnant Marine from Vandalia.

Mary Lauterbach will be interviewed live on "Today" by co-anchor Matt Lauer in the show's New York City studio. Her appearance is scheduled for the 7 a.m. hour, likely around 7:30 a.m., according to "Today's" media spokeswoman.
http://tinyurl.com/yswf9u

Ticamom
01-28-2008, 08:14 PM
Thanks for the head's up, TG ! I'll be sure to watch it. After such a slow weekend of news on this case, anything is welcome.

MysteryAddict
01-29-2008, 09:44 PM
Maria's Baby was a BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was announced on the Nancy Grace show tonight!

SeriouslySearching
01-29-2008, 10:48 PM
Maria's Baby was a BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was announced on the Nancy Grace show tonight!WHAT?!?!?! What about the autopsy results?!?! :confused:

Littledeer
01-29-2008, 10:52 PM
HOLD THE RIFLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did Nancy have the autopsy report in front of her???

Mysterview: PUT THE DARN LINK HERE SO WE CAN SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom'sGirl
01-29-2008, 10:56 PM
According to the link chico posted here http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1949974&postcount=38
nothing has been confirmed!

Littledeer
01-29-2008, 11:12 PM
Thanks TG. I didn't think anything had been confirmed about the baby's gender. But I thought if mysterview knew from watching the Nancy Grace show (which I did not watch) that a link could be put up which is why I asked, so I could read it.

But from your link, which came from chico, nothing has been released to the public yet on the gender of the baby. But for all intents and purposes, Maria's family believed the baby was a "boy". And I for one, would have done the same if I were in their shoes. Maria all the way to the end of her life, believed that her baby was a boy. (At least from what I've read so far)

nanandjim
01-29-2008, 11:22 PM
Maria's Baby was a BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was announced on the Nancy Grace show tonight!
I heard Nancy Grace mention the baby boy, Gabriel. If this is to what you are referring, I don't think Nancy was reading from any official report. I like Nancy, but she could just be stating what has been stated (or assumed) from previous reports.

Tom'sGirl
01-29-2008, 11:28 PM
I heard Nancy Grace mention the baby boy, Gabriel. If this is to what you are referring, I don't think Nancy was reading from any official report. I like Nancy, but she could just be stating what has been stated (or assumed) from previous reports.
I take what NG says with a grain of salt. Her accounts sometimes are so "off" like in this one: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2008/01/25/ng.lauren.bus.company.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2008/01/25/ng.lauren.bus.company.cnn)

Littledeer
01-29-2008, 11:33 PM
This "deer" will wait for official autopsy report(s).

close_enough
01-30-2008, 12:19 AM
According to the link chico posted here http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1949974&postcount=38
nothing has been confirmed!

OK...i just posted a question on the "baby" thread...got my answer here...thanks

close_enough
01-30-2008, 12:21 AM
I take what NG says with a grain of salt. Her accounts sometimes are so "off" like in this one: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2008/01/25/ng.lauren.bus.company.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2008/01/25/ng.lauren.bus.company.cnn)

yes, & she's still saying they BBQ'd on Maria's body/grave.....ugh, she's been told already that the fire pit was a BONFIRE, not where they BBQ'd.....

Tom'sGirl
01-30-2008, 12:29 AM
yes, & she's still saying they BBQ'd on Maria's body/grave.....ugh, she's been told already that the fire pit was a BONFIRE, not where they BBQ'd.....
AND, her description of where the blood was, Maria fighting for her life, losing the shoe, yada yada==========>:rolleyes:

close_enough
01-30-2008, 12:32 AM
AND, her description of where the blood was, Maria fighting for her life, losing the shoe, yada yada==========>:rolleyes:

lol....yeah, i only watched a few minutes of it, & after the comment on the BBQ, i turned it off, & started watching politics......

chiperoni
01-30-2008, 02:21 AM
I seriously would not count on all that much effort from the Mexican government, which is completely corrupt. Right now Tijuana has become murder central on a daily basis, so they have their own problems to deal with.

I have some hope CL will be extradited. The $25,000 reward is an incentive. The Mexican government has been cooperative and have extradited murderers only if we guarantee no DP. If CL is smart he'll stay in Mexico.
Please check out the following link.

townhall.com/news/world/2008/01/29/us_embassy_mexico_seeks_missing_marine

MysteryAddict
01-30-2008, 01:49 PM
Maria's Baby was a BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was announced on the Nancy Grace show tonight!


DH and I both thought that Nancy read the information from a paper on the gender of the baby.

I know when I heard her say the baby was indeed a boy, I was so happy to think that Maria was right all along and he truly was her little Gabriel Joseph.

We'll see if we hear anymore on the subject.

DEPUTYDAWG
01-30-2008, 02:02 PM
AND, her description of where the blood was, Maria fighting for her life, losing the shoe, yada yada==========>:rolleyes:

Me too ------> :rolleyes:

I wish she'd get back to sticking more to the facts. The part about the blood all over the house was a little "over the top" IMO, since it's now been deemed to have only been in the garage and one other room, correct?

SeriouslySearching
01-30-2008, 11:52 PM
Did anyone see the piece that Mark F. showed of Mexico on Greta?! I just caught the end of her segment and she mentioned to him how great it was. Interesting! I guess I will have to watch it later.

lilpony
01-31-2008, 12:29 AM
I watched, it was very good and interesting.

Ticamom
01-31-2008, 08:41 AM
Did anyone see the piece that Mark F. showed of Mexico on Greta?! I just caught the end of her segment and she mentioned to him how great it was. Interesting! I guess I will have to watch it later.

SS, I fell asleep and missed it. :mad: Is there a link to the transcripts of this show ? tia :blowkiss:

murdershewrote
01-31-2008, 04:40 PM
Mark F's investigation in Mexico was outstanding...Guadalajara has 7 million people...he showed the area CL was born and raised in , went into the liquor store, had a Mexican reporter with him to interpret. Basically, the family has stopped talking to everyone, although apparently they said they would talk to the Mexican police (probably would have no choice in the matter) which apparently have not shown up on this case yet. Without the warrant, which has now been issued, nothing could be done. According to MF, no one there trusts any kind of police, investigators, etc. because the Mexican government is so corrupt. He was told that monetary rewards are not trusted, so it doesn't mean much to the people there...to be promised anything for information.

Mark said he spoke with CL's aunt or grandmother, I can't remember which, he told her the details of the crime and she didn't bat an eyelash...he thinks she had heard it all before, directly from CL, so she wasn't effected by hearing it again. The aunt owns 3 liquor stores and apparently is quite wealthy from them and she is held in high standing in the community.

Mark does think that CL is still in the area and will be found.

Dog the bounty hunter was also interviewed. He also thinks CL will be found and arrested but he doesn't believe he will be extradicted to the US.

Tom'sGirl
01-31-2008, 07:43 PM
[quote=Ticamom;1953191]SS, I fell asleep and missed it. :mad: Is there a link to the transcripts of this show ? tia :blowkiss:[/q

Duane 'Dog' Chapman on Fugitive Marine Manhunt
Thursday, January 31, 2008

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," January 30, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327129,00.html

Littledeer
01-31-2008, 09:54 PM
Tom's Girl:

Darn..........your getting a lot of ANTLER kuddo's from me tonight!!

Thanks for the link!!!

Ticamom
01-31-2008, 10:18 PM
Tom's Girl, you ROCK !!!:clap:



[QUOTE]

Duane 'Dog' Chapman on Fugitive Marine Manhunt
Thursday, January 31, 2008

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," January 30, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327129,00.html

KR2tonenow
01-31-2008, 11:59 PM
[quote]

Duane 'Dog' Chapman on Fugitive Marine Manhunt
Thursday, January 31, 2008

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," January 30, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,327129,00.html

I missed this. This was an awesome interview with Dog. Thanks!!:)

KR2tonenow
02-01-2008, 12:03 AM
>snip
Dog the bounty hunter was also interviewed. He also thinks CL will be found and arrested but he doesn't believe he will be extradicted to the US.
<snip

That's interesting...well Interpol has issued a "Red Notice" so maybe that can over-ride extradition from Mexico.

Laurean hasn't been convicted yet, so what do they have robbery??:eek:

btbsmith
02-07-2008, 03:28 PM
CLARIFICATION ON THE CHARGES...

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/laurean_54751___article.html/lauterbach_weapon.html
Snippets Below...
Cesar Laurean did not force the woman he is accused of killing to remove money from her account Dec. 14, as far as investigators know, authorities said Friday.

Several news media outlets -- including The Daily News -- incorrectly interpreted Laurean’s Thursday indictment on a charge of robbery with a dangerous weapon.
...

That money has not been recovered, and investigators believe Laurean robbed her dead body of the cash. That is where the robbery with a dangerous weapon charge and subsequent indictment stems from, authorities said.

Laurean was also indicted for attempted misdemeanor financial transaction card fraud. Investigators said Laurean held onto Lauterbach’s bank card and tried to use it 10 days after she had been killed.

He tried to use her card to remove $500 Christmas Eve. This was the “suspicious activity on her bank account” originally reported by The Daily News on Jan. 10. “We believe Laurean attempted but was unsuccessful in removing $500 from Lauterbach’s account on Dec. 24,” said Capt. Rick Sutherland of the Onslow County Sheriff’s Department.

Sutherland would not com-ment on whether Laurean could not remove cash from the account because there were no funds available or because Laurean did not know Lauterbach’s personal identification number.

The indictment states, “(Laurean) committed this act by means of an assault consisting of having in defendant’s possession and threatening the use of a dangerous weapon, a blunt force object and implement used to kill Maria Frances Lauterbach.
...

For Laurean to kill Lauterbach and then use her bank card, which he took from her, in an attempt to withdraw cash from an ATM would constitute robbery with a dangerous weapon,even though 10 days lapsed in between, according to the District Attorney’s Office.

thurylime
02-07-2008, 05:28 PM
Maria's mother would have gotten, immediately, a death gratuity benefit from the government. $100,000 right up front, before she gets the $400,000 SGLI military insurance.
If it were my daughter's killer on the loose, I'd put a big hunk of that money up as a reward, if not all.

dbl_r_2
02-09-2008, 10:34 AM
Maybe Maria's mom thought it was more important to put that money into the foundation for other female victims than as a reward. It could also be that she truly believes that the law will aprehend cl and take care of that part. I would really be torn over which I thought it could do more good with.

SeriouslySearching
02-09-2008, 01:42 PM
The truth is...LE has no way of knowing if Maria was forced to make that withdrawl, but they know she had the money and it was not recovered after he killed her. They can find no transactions where she spent it...other than the bus ticket.

Littledeer
02-09-2008, 01:58 PM
Maria withdrew $700.00 and then supposedly purchased a bus ticket to Texas. How much was that ticket for?

Let's just say it was for $150 to $200............that leaves between $500 to $550 for Maria to go to a state that from what we know, she has never been to before, find a place to live at, buy food, buy a crib, etc. (if she is keeping the baby), and I haven't even gotten to the costs of having the baby.........(would her medical be paid for from being a Marine that is stationed out of state???)

I am having a really hard time in believing this. Even if CL said he would meet her there, Maria would know that CL didn't make much more than she did.........unless he gave her some song and dance on how he had another account that his wife didn't know about and that there was more than enough money in it for them to live off until after the baby was born.

Sorry........antlers rambling. Frustrated that nothing is happening!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mygirlsadie
02-09-2008, 05:42 PM
Did Maria leave her SGLI to her mom?





Maria's mother would have gotten, immediately, a death gratuity benefit from the government. $100,000 right up front, before she gets the $400,000 SGLI military insurance.
If it were my daughter's killer on the loose, I'd put a big hunk of that money up as a reward, if not all.

STEADFAST
02-09-2008, 11:24 PM
Maria's mother would have gotten, immediately, a death gratuity benefit from the government. $100,000 right up front, before she gets the $400,000 SGLI military insurance.
If it were my daughter's killer on the loose, I'd put a big hunk of that money up as a reward, if not all.

A $100,000 death gratuity benefit is only for next of kin of service members killed in combat. If a service member dies not in combat, the next of kin receives a $12,420 death gratuity.

The $400,000 SGLI insurance payment would usually, absent spouse and/or children, be divided equally between surviving parents. I can't remember what the marital situation is with Maria's parents. Does anyone?

Tom'sGirl
02-09-2008, 11:54 PM
A $100,000 death gratuity benefit is only for next of kin of service members killed in combat. If a service member dies not in combat, the next of kin receives a $12,420 death gratuity.

The $400,000 SGLI insurance payment would usually, absent spouse and/or children, be divided equally between surviving parents. I can't remember what the marital situation is with Maria's parents. Does anyone?
Kind of confused on what you meant about the marital situation of Maria's parents. I'm dense tonight :)

Truly
02-10-2008, 12:16 AM
Maria's father is active military. I haven't seen anything else about him. Has anybody read any comments he has made? Maria's mother and Maria's uncle have been the only family I have seen speaking about Maria.

The 'death gratuity' is one of the three conditions where the Feres doctrine applies prohibiting any effort by Maria's family to seek legal action against her murderer. The second is 'the distinctly federal relationship between the government and members of the U.S. armed forces' (any claim would not be against her murderer, it would necessarily be against The United States of America), and thirdly, the Feres doctrine prohibits suits which would 'involve the judiciary in sensitive military affairs at the expense of military dicipline and effectiveness.'

$12,420? :furious:

STEADFAST
02-10-2008, 12:38 AM
Kind of confused on what you meant about the marital situation of Maria's parents. I'm dense tonight :)

I don't know whether her parents are divorced or not, TG.:blowkiss:

STEADFAST
02-10-2008, 12:52 AM
Maria's father is active military. I haven't seen anything else about him. Has anybody read any comments he has made? Maria's mother and Maria's uncle have been the only family I have seen speaking about Maria.

The 'death gratuity' is one of the three conditions where the Feres doctrine applies prohibiting any effort by Maria's family to seek legal action against her murderer. The second is 'the distinctly federal relationship between the government and members of the U.S. armed forces' (any claim would not be against her murderer, it would necessarily be against The United States of America), and thirdly, the Feres doctrine prohibits suits which would 'involve the judiciary in sensitive military affairs at the expense of military dicipline and effectiveness.'

$12,420? :furious:

Well, I'm not sure what the burning-face smiley is all about, but the immmediate payment of $12,420 is to offset burial expenses. Very shortly, there is a payout of $400,000.

I don't see that the death gratuity has anything to do with the Feres doctrine.
I also don't understand where you get the idea that a service member can't be sued or how you think that suing Laurean for wrongful death or whatever would have to do with involving "the judiciary in sensitive military affairs." He didn't kill her as part of his military duties.

I haven't seen Maria's father, either. That's why I was asking about the marital status.

lilpony
02-10-2008, 01:34 AM
What does SGLI stand for. Thanks!:)

Taximom
02-10-2008, 02:33 AM
SGLI= Servicemember's Group Life Insurance

Truly
02-10-2008, 02:47 AM
A $100,000 death gratuity benefit is only for next of kin of service members killed in combat. If a service member dies not in combat, the next of kin receives a $12,420 death gratuity.


The Feres doctrine has three rationales which have been invoked to prohibit lawsuits in civilian courts for injury or death of an active-duty servicemember. One of the rationals is that 'active-duty servicemembers recieve free medical treatment while the member remained alive, a generous death gratuity, and payment of his funeral expenses.' The burning-face smiley was a reaction to the statement that her death gratuity was only $12,420. Sorry if I misunderstood. If that is actually the funeral expenses, what then is the 'death gratuity'?

Truly
02-10-2008, 03:00 AM
Well, I'm not sure what the burning-face smiley is all about, but the immmediate payment of $12,420 is to offset burial expenses. Very shortly, there is a payout of $400,000.

I don't see that the death gratuity has anything to do with the Feres doctrine.
I also don't understand where you get the idea that a service member can't be sued or how you think that suing Laurean for wrongful death or whatever would have to do with involving "the judiciary in sensitive military affairs." He didn't kill her as part of his military duties.

I haven't seen Maria's father, either. That's why I was asking about the marital status.

The Feres doctrine has applied if the rape, injury, death, etc. was 'incidental to military service'. They were both active-duty Marines, and that might be enough to prevent Maria's family from getting a judge to do anything except dismiss the case. Hopefully, justice will be served.:)

Mygirlsadie
02-10-2008, 03:47 AM
If I remember correctly Maria's father was reserves not active. I can't remember for what branch though. I will dig that up later.. As for Military receiving free health benefits I strongly disagree with that! Our husbands are willing to DIE for that health insurance.. hardly free. (plus we do pay a small monthly fee) Not being snarky, just adding my two cents. :crazy:

STEADFAST
02-10-2008, 08:33 AM
The Feres doctrine has applied if the rape, injury, death, etc. was 'incidental to military service'. They were both active-duty Marines, and that might be enough to prevent Maria's family from getting a judge to do anything except dismiss the case. Hopefully, justice will be served.:)

Truly, I wonder if you can cite one example of the Feres doctrine applying to a rape or murder.

STEADFAST
02-10-2008, 09:08 AM
If I remember correctly Maria's father was reserves not active. I can't remember for what branch though. I will dig that up later.. As for Military receiving free health benefits I strongly disagree with that! Our husbands are willing to DIE for that health insurance.. hardly free. (plus we do pay a small monthly fee) Not being snarky, just adding my two cents. :crazy:

You must not be on Tricare Prime, if you have to pay a fee. :) There is a smallish fee for family dental, but the service member gets dental free. Military dentists :eek:! (Actually, for all I know, military dentists are the finest in the world, but the words sound painful anyway.)


The Feres doctrine has applied if the rape, injury, death, etc. was 'incidental to military service'. They were both active-duty Marines, and that might be enough to prevent Maria's family from getting a judge to do anything except dismiss the case. Hopefully, justice will be served.:)

If you're talking about the family suing the Marines for negligence in the way they handled Maria and Laurean, you are probably right that the Feres doctrine would apply. But not because the rape or the murder was incidental to military service. It would be because the command decisions regarding separating the two, not locking up Laurean in pretrial detention, misjudging Laurean's character, etc. would be incidental to military service (of the commanders) -- and those decisions would be the "negligence" in the case.

Tom'sGirl
02-10-2008, 02:22 PM
I don't know whether her parents are divorced or not, TG.:blowkiss:

Her father, Victor Lauterbach, is an Air Force Reserve master sergeant in the 87th Aerial Port Squadron, which is part of the 445th Airlift Wing at Wright-Patterson.

As far as their martial status, I have never read mention of them being divorced. He was mentioned consoling a younger sibling at Maria's funeral.

Mygirlsadie
03-15-2008, 02:34 PM
I just read on CNN that the incision across her neck was made AFTER she died. So it's not too shocking because obviously we know Maria did not kill herself but to think he could slit her throat after she was dead and think he could get away with it..:furious:

Tom'sGirl
03-15-2008, 03:11 PM
I just read on CNN that the incision across her neck was made AFTER she died. So it's not too shocking because obviously we know Maria did not kill herself but to think he could slit her throat after she was dead and think he could get away with it..:furious:
See at links Autopsy Report
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2054811&postcount=41

BeavisMom62
03-15-2008, 05:30 PM
My goodness! God bless them both. I don't know why, but I was surprised that there was that much charring to the fetus. how horrible!

davenj
03-15-2008, 10:18 PM
It's sickening what this animal did.Reading the autopsy report made my stomach turn.Please let him be caught in the US so he can get the death penalty.

Mygirlsadie
03-16-2008, 12:49 AM
Oh my God something just popped in my head after looking at the autopsy report. It said on top of her body was found a plastic bag with a piece of newborn size clothing inside of it. I BET Laurean coaxed her over there under the false assumption that he was buying things to help her out with the baby and wanted to give the things to her. I never thought of that before when I sat here for DAYS trying to figure out how in the world she got over to his house and why did she go there!!

Crime-Dreamer
03-17-2008, 01:01 PM
Do any autopsy experts see anything in the report that is unusual? I'm not raising any issues. I really don't know. I have not read any before. Other than the fact that it is obvouisly extremely discusting. Littledeer, you were wondering why it was taking so long to release. Is it what you expected? Others, is it what it should be?

My question is why doesn't it definately say her death was a result of the blow to the head? Should it?

Who has the evidence taken from the house? Is that list of evidence available? What I am looking for is the rest of her clothing she was wareing and the items they say she took with her from her home. Does anyone know if those were ever recovered?

Crime-Dreamer
03-17-2008, 01:08 PM
Oh my God something just popped in my head after looking at the autopsy report. It said on top of her body was found a plastic bag with a piece of newborn size clothing inside of it. I BET Laurean coaxed her over there under the false assumption that he was buying things to help her out with the baby and wanted to give the things to her. I never thought of that before when I sat here for DAYS trying to figure out how in the world she got over to his house and why did she go there!!

Disturbing, isn't it? If there is a tag, they could go to the security films to see who made that purchase. Even if they know the manufacturer, they can probably figure out where that was purchased and go to the security films and see if she purchased it or if he did or his wife did, I am guessing. Interesting that he buried that and not her ID, purse or other personal things IMO.

davenj
03-17-2008, 01:50 PM
I'm thinking he didn't bury the ID card and other personsonal affects because that would make identification of the body extremely easy.But,then again,how many people accused of a rape resulting in a pregancy,just happen to have a female and an unborn fetus burried in thier yard.

You could also assume that since it was said Christina and Maria looked alot alike that they kept the ID card for Christina to use to buy the bus ticket.

BeavisMom62
04-06-2008, 12:05 PM
Oops, I mistakenly posted this in the media thread (sorry mods), but I was wondering as I was watching AMW last nite, have the DNA results been released? Is the baby Cesar's baby? I haven't been following this lately as there has been no new nes but I don't recall seeing anything about DNA results.

Mygirlsadie
04-06-2008, 12:12 PM
I think I read awhile back that the dna results were in but they were not going to release them. Something to do with the investigation still being on-going.




Oops, I mistakenly posted this in the media thread (sorry mods), but I was wondering as I was watching AMW last nite, have the DNA results been released? Is the baby Cesar's baby? I haven't been following this lately as there has been no new nes but I don't recall seeing anything about DNA results.

Mygirlsadie
04-06-2008, 12:14 PM
Yes I am on Tricare Prime. We have to pay a fee every month for dental and a BIG fee every time we go to the dentist lol.. My hubby is 100% free though & he has to go to the military dentist. We are not allowed. We have to use civilian dentists.




[quote=STEADFAST;1977918]You must not be on Tricare Prime, if you have to pay a fee. :) There is a smallish fee for family dental, but the service member gets dental free. Military dentists :eek:! (Actually, for all I know, military dentists are the finest in the world, but the words sound painful anyway.)

panthera
04-06-2008, 03:50 PM
Oops, I mistakenly posted this in the media thread (sorry mods), but I was wondering as I was watching AMW last nite, have the DNA results been released? Is the baby Cesar's baby? I haven't been following this lately as there has been no new nes but I don't recall seeing anything about DNA results.
Nothing has been released. :(

Taximom
04-07-2008, 10:17 PM
I'm not sure if this is just an old article that was recently updated, but here it is anyway:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/07/murdered.marine/index.html?iref=werecommend
Mother of slain Marine: 'I want women to be better protected'
Mary Lauterbach has sent a list of more than 30 questions to the commandant of the U.S. Marine Corps, Gen. James Conway, through her congressman.
She says she's unconvinced her daughter's rape allegation against Laurean was treated seriously. (more at link)

Good for her. I'm not sure how far she'll get with all them in CYA mode, but I hope something good comes out of this.

Rum Tum Tugger
06-06-2008, 10:26 PM
Bumping this thread!

Attention to Pacific & Central time zone folks!

DATELINE - TONIGHT - NOW - 9-11 PM Eastern DT

Denise Lee - 1st hour

Maria Lauterbach - 2nd hour

Worth watching!

Rum Tum

lilpony
06-07-2008, 12:19 AM
Bumping this thread!

Attention to Pacific & Central time zone folks!

DATELINE - TONIGHT - NOW - 9-11 PM Eastern DT

Denise Lee - 1st hour

Maria Lauterbach - 2nd hour

Worth watching!

Rum Tum


I have it on right now. Found it by chance.

Mygirlsadie
06-07-2008, 05:43 AM
Can you guys update this thread about what they say? I can't get it over here where I live..I heard they finally showed the picture of elwifey!?

SeriouslySearching
06-07-2008, 05:46 AM
Her photo is now posted on the Photo thread, Mygirlsadie! It doesn't change my opinion of her unless it verifies my thoughts on her being jealous. I think Maria was much prettier. She appears to be rather immature looking, too (imo).

Mygirlsadie
06-07-2008, 07:59 AM
Ok i'm shocked at Christine's picture. I figured she would at least be ''cute''..but wow not even kinda cute. Sorry but yeah she was obviously extremely jealous of Maria. Maria was adorable!

Ticamom
06-07-2008, 09:30 AM
Can you guys update this thread about what they say? I can't get it over here where I live..I heard they finally showed the picture of elwifey!?


Mygirl, if you go to www.dateline.com you can read the transcripts of the show . Unfortunately there are only two videos, not the whole program.
But it is something at least.

BeavisMom62
06-07-2008, 10:07 AM
I watched it. pretty interesting but not alot new. I thought the pic that they showed of CL was Maria?! I was confused. Sorry, but I thought she was cute. I have to mention something though, mods delete if this is in violation, but..... about Maria's mom. I'm sorry but after working for a couple of decades with a neurologist/psychiatrist I have gotten pretty good at judging certain people. Maria's mom, IMHO appears to have some sort of mental illness to me. I realize she is grieving, stressed, upset, etc, but there are certain mannerisms and facial expressions that she makes as well as the way that she talks that leads me to believe this. I think this would explain some of her derogatory comments about her daughter at the beginning. If she were a patient of ours, I could imagine my dr making what we call a "psych symbol" on her chart. Don't hate me, but I really thought it was weird. Anyway, it was a really good show, particularly for those who haven't followed this case like WS has. I sure was hoping that they would tell us something new though about what they thought went on in the house, or why Maria went there or why she was going to El Paso. They said POS was walking toward the internet cafe though when captured, I thought he was walking toward a phone booth?

Taximom
06-07-2008, 03:21 PM
Her mom seems different to me too, almost cold. I have been thinking it's due to her military service though. I think those women are different, and have felt that for years. I couldn't help but wonder how that affected Maria while she was growing up.

Anyway, I'm into bashing Cesar.

Tom'sGirl
06-07-2008, 03:57 PM
Her mom seems different to me too, almost cold. I have been thinking it's due to her military service though.
What Military Service?, Mary was not in the Military, he husband is and family members have been....................but not Mary!

lilpony
06-07-2008, 10:08 PM
Ok i'm shocked at Christine's picture. I figured she would at least be ''cute''..but wow not even kinda cute. Sorry but yeah she was obviously extremely jealous of Maria. Maria was adorable!

I thought she was very HOMELY looking. :eek: Sorry!:crazy:

close_enough
06-10-2008, 05:44 PM
I watched it. pretty interesting but not alot new. I thought the pic that they showed of CL was Maria?! I was confused. Sorry, but I thought she was cute. I have to mention something though, mods delete if this is in violation, but..... about Maria's mom. I'm sorry but after working for a couple of decades with a neurologist/psychiatrist I have gotten pretty good at judging certain people. Maria's mom, IMHO appears to have some sort of mental illness to me. I realize she is grieving, stressed, upset, etc, but there are certain mannerisms and facial expressions that she makes as well as the way that she talks that leads me to believe this. I think this would explain some of her derogatory comments about her daughter at the beginning. If she were a patient of ours, I could imagine my dr making what we call a "psych symbol" on her chart. Don't hate me, but I really thought it was weird. Anyway, it was a really good show, particularly for those who haven't followed this case like WS has. I sure was hoping that they would tell us something new though about what they thought went on in the house, or why Maria went there or why she was going to El Paso. They said POS was walking toward the internet cafe though when captured, I thought he was walking toward a phone booth?

i don't know about Mary being possibly mentally ill, but she didn't come across real good on the show, IMO......i don't trust anything she has to say about how the case was handled in the beginning.....

Mygirlsadie
06-10-2008, 05:51 PM
I don't see Mary as being mentally ill either. I see her as a little cold hearted or uncaring maybe..but then again it could be just the way she is you know not everybody wears their emotions on their sleeve.. I can't say how I would react if Maria were my daughter I can only IMAGINE how I would react. I would imagine I would be a blubbering mess & you would probably have to have me admitted to an insane asylum because I wouldn't be able to function..i'm just sayin..

close_enough
06-10-2008, 06:03 PM
I don't see Mary as being mentally ill either. I see her as a little cold hearted or uncaring maybe..but then again it could be just the way she is you know not everybody wears their emotions on their sleeve.. I can't say how I would react if Maria were my daughter I can only IMAGINE how I would react. I would imagine I would be a blubbering mess & you would probably have to have me admitted to an insane asylum because I wouldn't be able to function..i'm just sayin..

you're right sadie...not everybody wears their emotions on their sleeve....i agree that she comes across cold & uncaring though.....just a little too cool or something, imo.....

Tom'sGirl
06-10-2008, 06:29 PM
you're right sadie...not everybody wears their emotions on their sleeve....i agree that she comes across cold & uncaring though.....just a little too cool or something, imo.....
Mary is either 49 or 50 now, so she wasn't a kid when she adopted Maria and her sister Anne from within the family somewhere..........would be interesting to know the source. Years later she had her own biological children.

I think the girls were more than she she was equipped to handle, especially after both girls became pregnant within a short period of time of one another.

Mary felt, IMO, in the beginning that Maria had run off/deserted the Corps. I think her speculation was clear and she relayed her feeling to the Onslow Sheriff who on Nat'l TV at one point said "just come home", referring to Maria.

At no time did Mary ever refer to Maria's unborn child as her grandchild when Maria went missing, only as "the baby".

I strongly feel that Maria had led Mary & her Uncle Peter to believe she was putting the child up for adoption. I think that was the reason Mary had planned a trip to go see Maria to make sure everything had been handled.

oceanblueeyes
06-10-2008, 08:29 PM
Mary is either 49 or 50 now, so she wasn't a kid when she adopted Maria and her sister Anne from within the family somewhere..........would be interesting to know the source. Years later she had her own biological children.

I think the girls were more than she she was equipped to handle, especially after both girls became pregnant within a short period of time of one another.

Mary felt, IMO, in the beginning that Maria had run off/deserted the Corps. I think her speculation was clear and she relayed her feeling to the Onslow Sheriff who on Nat'l TV at one point said "just come home", referring to Maria.

At no time did Mary ever refer to Maria's unborn child as her grandchild when Maria went missing, only as "the baby".

I strongly feel that Maria had led Mary & her Uncle Peter to believe she was putting the child up for adoption. I think that was the reason Mary had planned a trip to go see Maria to make sure everything had been handled.

I think you are right, TG.

When this all began I think Mary did think Maria had gone off on her own. Agent Grafton on Dateline even said that Mary told her she had done that before.

I don't know what it is about Mary and Peter but they both seem odd. The way their eyes are always shifting left and right, distracts from what they are saying. Also when they are both sitting there together they constantly look at each other and away from the interviewer as if making sure what they are saying is what they should be saying and they are looking for signals from each other. I have no doubt whatsoever that her family loved her but I do think Maria felt the stress of trying to fit into their expectations and that is why she made up stories to tell them that she was not telling anyone else. Maybe even at 20 she felt the need to still tied to her mother's apron strings and did not feel comfortable telling Mary what she was doing in the MC and with whom.

When Maria became a Marine away from her family things changed for Maria. She drank and liked her beer, she played pool, she dated a Marine and was hanging around other Marines after hours....one of them Laurean but she told her family none of this imo. Mary is under the impression that Maria never had a boyfriend at all.........not in the MC or in Ohio.

Yes, I agree. I do think Mary thought Maria was going to give Gabriel up for adoption but that was not the truth ...just like so many other things Maria told them. In each SW where they layout the case they include that she was planning to keep her child and I think there is going to be substantiation of that decision.

imoo

panthera
06-10-2008, 08:38 PM
At no time did Mary ever refer to Maria's unborn child as her grandchild when Maria went missing, only as "the baby".

I strongly feel that Maria had led Mary & her Uncle Peter to believe she was putting the child up for adoption. I think that was the reason Mary had planned a trip to go see Maria to make sure everything had been handled.
I don't think Mary thought of the baby as her grandchild because she was hoping to convince Maria to give the baby up for adoption so she wasn't forming any attachment. Knowing Mary was going to come visit her the following weekend I think that had something to do with Maria wanting to leave when she did, to avoid her mother because she wanted to keep the baby, and she turned to Cesar for help.

close_enough
06-11-2008, 06:46 AM
I don't think Mary thought of the baby as her grandchild because she was hoping to convince Maria to give the baby up for adoption so she wasn't forming any attachment. Knowing Mary was going to come visit her the following weekend I think that had something to do with Maria wanting to leave when she did, to avoid her mother because she wanted to keep the baby, and she turned to Cesar for help.

yes!...i think you're right..it makes sense to me..

davenj
06-11-2008, 09:05 AM
Someone on or near Lejeune is the father of Gabriel.If I was that person and my girlfriend and unborn child were murdered I would have been in the NCIS or sherrif's office spilling my guts about everything I knew.Who Maria hung out with,where she hung out,who she called fequently,the whole nine yards.I couldn't imagine keeping silent know that my unborn child and girlfriend were murdered and I did nothing.Someone down there knows alot and just hasn't talked yet.Just my opinion.

STEADFAST
06-11-2008, 12:33 PM
At no time did Mary ever refer to Maria's unborn child as her grandchild when Maria went missing, only as "the baby".



"Maria, whatever might have happened, any decisions you might have made, we just want to see you. Please come home. We love you, please come home,"
"She really needs medical help.She needs to come home. It's not just my daughter, it's my grandchild I am concerned for," said Mary Lauterbach, who told authorities in North Carolina that she adopted Maria when the girl was a toddler."
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=212834

I haven't seen any evidence that Mary Lauterbach was or is cold, uncaring, or crazy. Or that she had a bad relationship with Maria.

panthera
06-11-2008, 02:13 PM
Someone on or near Lejeune is the father of Gabriel.If I was that person and my girlfriend and unborn child were murdered I would have been in the NCIS or sherrif's office spilling my guts about everything I knew.Who Maria hung out with,where she hung out,who she called fequently,the whole nine yards.I couldn't imagine keeping silent know that my unborn child and girlfriend were murdered and I did nothing.Someone down there knows alot and just hasn't talked yet.Just my opinion.
Well if the baby's father isn't Cesar, then maybe it's someone of a higher rank than Maria who shouldn't have been having a relationship with her, or maybe someone who's married, and he wants to continue to hide it for his own interests? That's the only thing that really makes sense why he'd keep quiet, imo.

oceanblueeyes
06-11-2008, 09:44 PM
Someone on or near Lejeune is the father of Gabriel.If I was that person and my girlfriend and unborn child were murdered I would have been in the NCIS or sherrif's office spilling my guts about everything I knew.Who Maria hung out with,where she hung out,who she called frequently,the whole nine yards.I couldn't imagine keeping silent know that my unborn child and girlfriend were murdered and I did nothing.Someone down there knows alot and just hasn't talked yet.Just my opinion.

I certainly can understand that but what if this person is of a higher rank, maybe even an officer who is married with children and no one was aware of the affair? I am not sure if that were the case they would expose anything especially if they didn't want Maria or the baby.

imoo

Tom'sGirl
06-11-2008, 09:47 PM
I certainly can understand that but what if this person is of a higher rank, maybe even an officer who is married with children and no one was aware of the affair? I am not sure if that were the case they would expose anything especially if they didn't want Maria or the baby.

imoo
Yep, Yep and Yep Ocean. It could be a unmarried, non military guy who didn't want to get involved for that matter.

Tom'sGirl
07-30-2008, 07:40 PM
Mary Lauterbach To Testify Before Congress (http://www.whiotv.com/news/17041071/detail.html)
WHIOtv.com (http://whiotv.com/) - Dayton,OH,USA
POSTED: 3:54 pm EDT July 30, 2008
UPDATED: 5:07 pm EDT July 30, 2008

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- The mother of a murdered Vandalia Marine will testify Thursday morning in front of the United State Congress.

Mary Lauterbach, whose daughter, Maria, was killed by a fellow Marine, will tell Congressional leaders that the military failed to protect her daughter.

News Center 7’s Scott MacFarlane said Lauterbach will also lobby for new protections for other women in uniform.

In the months since Maria Lauterbach’s death, two other servicewomen have been found killed near North Carolina military bases.

Congress is concerned that this is a disturbing new pattern, and they want Mary Lauterbach to share what she knows.

Lauterbach said, “After Maria was murdered and more and more families kept calling me, I realized that this is not an isolated incident at all. It’s more of a broken record that keeps happening over and over again.”
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Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 09:02 AM
Just when you think this case can't get any stranger, it does....

From today's Daily News:

District Attorney Dewey Hudson has called a press conference for 3 p.m. today to discuss an alleged theft of documents from his office in the prosecution of a Camp Lejeune Marine indicted for first-degree murder in the homicide of a female colleague. The Onslow County Sheriff's Department conducted an investigation into a possible leak of information by an employee of the District Attorney's Office about the case of Cpl. Cesar Laurean.

The investigation into the leak included an undercover law-enforcement officer contacting The Daily News by telephone while posing as a reporter for Newsweek. The officer posing as the Newsweek reporter asked Daily News reporter Lindell Kay for possible sources of information about Laurean's sexual preferences.

Daily News Publisher Elliott Potter said...."Our reporter believed he was dealing with another reporter and later shared contact information that he thought could help shed more light on a story that has had great public interest,"..."but no contact information about any source was provided without permission of that person,"... (emphasis is mine)

http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_58812___article.html/cpl_attorney.html

So did the alleged thief steal all the documents or just a select few? And why did an undercover detective go to LK for information since the detective works (I presume) for OCSO (wouldn't they have copies of the information)? Does OCSO think Kay has the stolen information or has been getting the leaks from the employee at the DA's office?

The article, IMO, appears to be thrown together quickly in order to break the story. Hopefully at some point an edit will occur to clear some things up.

LK has a blog site for those who aren't aware.

http://onslowcrime.encblogs.com/?p=547

The link above takes you directly to his latest entry about the alleged theft.

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 10:17 AM
Here's the latest information:

A volunteer intern with the Onslow County district attorney's office is the center of an investigation into copied documents in the Cesar Laurean case.

District Attorney Dewey Hudson tells WITN News that he expects an arrest to be made today. Hudson has called a 3 p.m. news conference to brief reporters.

Hudson says while the documents were not actually stolen, the investigation centers on someone copying them and then removing them from the office. He says that is a class H felony, which is punishable by a 6 to 8 month sentence for each count. (emphasis mine)

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/27014564.html?source=enews&c=y

So now my questions are: Was this intern the source for Lindell Kay? Did Lindell Kay give the name of this intern to the undercover deputy with or without the source's permission? Did Dewey catch wind of someone leaking information from his office and in turn contacted Ed Brown who had a deputy pose as the Newsweek reporter? How was Lindell Kay zeroed in on or better yet what exactly is his involvement with this intern? Can Laurean's attorney, Dick McNeil, seek a dismissal of the charges since the documents have been compromised?

I also need to clarify one thing I had in my earlier post---the undercover officer wasn't a detective, according to WITN it was a deputy. And the documents weren't stolen as first reported, only copied.

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 11:19 AM
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Here's the latest information:

A volunteer intern with the Onslow County district attorney's office is the center of an investigation into copied documents in the Cesar Laurean case.

District Attorney Dewey Hudson tells WITN News that he expects an arrest to be made today. Hudson has called a 3 p.m. news conference to brief reporters.
Wow, will be looking forward to the news conference today, hopefully it will be aired live????

oceanblueeyes
08-15-2008, 11:24 AM
What a shocker!

I wonder if the volunteer intern is a male or female?

I wonder how long they have interned in the DAs office?

I wonder if they copied the documents for their own self interest or copied them for another interested party?

And the "sexual preferences" is mind boggling. What in the heck does that have to do with this murder case one way or the other?:confused:

Thanks for the news, Sandy.

Ocean

oceanblueeyes
08-15-2008, 11:31 AM
Sandy, I am wondering about this.

"Daily News Publisher Elliott Potter said...."Our reporter believed he was dealing with another reporter and later shared contact information that he thought could help shed more light on a story that has had great public interest,"..."but no contact information about any source was provided without permission of that person,"... (emphasis is mine)

Could this volunteer intern been contacting Lindell and giving him information? He/she would know Lindell would not out his sources to anyone without their permission. Was he feeding LK with information that he was getting from the copied documents?

imoo

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 01:56 PM
Now here's the kicker...this volunteer intern isn't young, he's 33. And here I was thinking it was a college student in the 18-21 age range.

Ocean, Elliott Potter seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth. He says his reporter was contacted about his sources but yet in the next paragraph says his reporter wouldn't give out contact info without clearing it with the source first. So which was it?

Did LK not bother to check out the 'reporter' from Newsweek? I thought as journalists they are to verify things. And there's no telling---it could be that LK was contacted by the intern.

Someone at OTC has suggested that LK was in on the 'sting' with OCSO.

But the intern has been arrested and JDNews has finally updated part of their original article to include the arrest and a photo of Robert Sharpe. (use the same link that I posted above)

TG, I haven't seen anything about the presser being aired live, but I do hope it is! If I see anything I'll let ya'll know.

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 02:03 PM
Now here's the kicker...this volunteer intern isn't young, he's 33. And here I was thinking it was a college student in the 18-21 age range.

Ocean, Elliott Potter seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth. He says his reporter was contacted about his sources but yet in the next paragraph says his reporter wouldn't give out contact info without clearing it with the source first. So which was it?

Did LK not bother to check out the 'reporter' from Newsweek? I thought as journalists they are to verify things. And there's no telling---it could be that LK was contacted by the intern.

Someone at OTC has suggested that LK was in on the 'sting' with OCSO.

But the intern has been arrested and JDNews has finally updated part of their original article to include the arrest and a photo of Robert Sharpe. (use the same link that I posted above)



TG, I haven't seen anything about the presser being aired live, but I do hope it is! If I see anything I'll let ya'll know.

Thanks girl, I appreciate that!

oceanblueeyes
08-15-2008, 02:20 PM
Now here's the kicker...this volunteer intern isn't young, he's 33. And here I was thinking it was a college student in the 18-21 age range.

Ocean, Elliott Potter seems to be talking out of both sides of his mouth. He says his reporter was contacted about his sources but yet in the next paragraph says his reporter wouldn't give out contact info without clearing it with the source first. So which was it?

Did LK not bother to check out the 'reporter' from Newsweek? I thought as journalists they are to verify things. And there's no telling---it could be that LK was contacted by the intern.

Someone at OTC has suggested that LK was in on the 'sting' with OCSO.

But the intern has been arrested and JDNews has finally updated part of their original article to include the arrest and a photo of Robert Sharpe. (use the same link that I posted above)

TG, I haven't seen anything about the presser being aired live, but I do hope it is! If I see anything I'll let ya'll know.

Thanks.

The documents nor the CD were found in the search warrant of his home. Do you think he turned those things over to Lindell and I sure would like to know if so, how long Lindell had them before the fake reporter called him.:confused:

imoo

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 02:26 PM
Thanks.

The documents nor the CD were found in the search warrant of his home. Do you think he turned those things over to Lindell and I sure would like to know if so, how long Lindell had them before the fake reporter called him.:confused:

imoo

That's something I would like to know too.

Maybe Hudson will shed some light on it during his presser.

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 02:36 PM
TG, the presser is to be aired live on wral.

District Attorney Dewey Hudson scheduled a news conference for 3 p.m. Friday to discuss the results of an investigation into the theft. Watch it LIVE on WRAL.com.

Oh and more info is coming out about the intern:

Robert Paul Sharpe, 33, of 147 Harris Creek Road in Jacksonville, was charged with one count each of embezzlement and misdemeanor larceny and was released on an unsecured $10,000 bond.

Sharpe is a University of North Carolina-Wilmington student who worked as an intern in Hudson's office, according to arrest warrants. He copied papers and CDs containing investigative reports and took them out of the office, the warrants state.

The above are found here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3386067/

WRAL doesn't mention anything about the sexual preferences...maybe they are waiting until the presser...Also Mr. Sharpe doesn't live too far from Sheriff Brown.

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 02:38 PM
TG, the presser is to be aired live on wral.

District Attorney Dewey Hudson scheduled a news conference for 3 p.m. Friday to discuss the results of an investigation into the theft. Watch it LIVE on WRAL.com.

Oh and more info is coming out about the intern:

Robert Paul Sharpe, 33, of 147 Harris Creek Road in Jacksonville, was charged with one count each of embezzlement and misdemeanor larceny and was released on an unsecured $10,000 bond.

Sharpe is a University of North Carolina-Wilmington student who worked as an intern in Hudson's office, according to arrest warrants. He copied papers and CDs containing investigative reports and took them out of the office, the warrants state.

The above are found here: http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3386067/

WRAL doesn't mention anything about the sexual preferences...maybe they are waiting until the presser...Also Mr. Sharpe doesn't live too far from Sheriff Brown.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif Thanks, I'll be watching!

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 03:03 PM
Anthing yet???? I've yet to see a link where the presser is being aired at WRAL :confused:

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 03:05 PM
Anthing yet???? I've yet to see a link where the presser is being aired at WRAL :confused:


WITN is set and ready to go: http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/27014564.html

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 03:07 PM
WITN is set and ready to go: http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/27014564.html
Got it!

Hugs.......

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 03:47 PM
Okay, was it just my connection, or did that live feed suck :crazy:

raisincharlie
08-15-2008, 04:45 PM
Okay, was it just my connection, or did that live feed suck :crazy:

Mr. Sharpe sucks:mad:

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 05:16 PM
Okay, was it just my connection, or did that live feed suck :crazy:

Yes the connection sucked...I had probs with it and finally went to wral and then had to turn the speakers up, way up. Now when they get up to view later, I'm going to re-watch it and catch up on what I missed during the audio breaks.


Ocean, here's the answer to your question: OCSO didn't get the files/CD from Sharpe's residence. OCSO staked out Hudson's office and when Sharpe left at 2 a.m. Thursday morning OCSO stopped Sharpe and he had the files and CD on his person.

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 05:55 PM
WNCT has the raw footage of the presser up here: http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/local/article/raw_video_laurean_document_theft_briefing/16541/

I don't know how long they will keep it up since they are known to not keep things on their site for any period of time.

oceanblueeyes
08-15-2008, 06:39 PM
WNCT has the raw footage of the presser up here: http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/local/article/raw_video_laurean_document_theft_briefing/16541/

I don't know how long they will keep it up since they are known to not keep things on their site for any period of time.

Thanks again, Sandy.

I watched it but let me ask you something. They said Rick Sutherland picked up on this because when he was monitoring Lindell's blog and it was because of the bragging way that it was being said about having information no one had.

:confused: I have been gone for three weeks and haven't been over there. So who was bragging? Were they talking about Sharpe and he was posting over there or are they talking about Lindell?

imoo

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 07:15 PM
WNCT has the raw footage of the presser up here: http://www.wnct.com/nct/news/local/article/raw_video_laurean_document_theft_briefing/16541/

I don't know how long they will keep it up since they are known to not keep things on their site for any period of time.
Oh man, that was so much better watching that, thanks a bunch SB.

From watching the bad video the first time, and only gathering bits and pieces I immediately thought it was LK who was bragging over at OTC :)

He has in the past kinda led us along with some things, and we never did hear any more on what he had said. Also, there was that 'tid-bit' from another reporter who mentioned to LK on the blog about telling him later something about Maria's bio. parents...........never heard more on that either.

Anyway, after hearing the good video, Sheriff Brown make it pretty clear it wasn't LK who was doing the bragging of facts over at OTC, it just happened to be LK's blog. Since I haven't followed the blog closely for a long time I'm not sure who the poster was????

mysteriew
08-15-2008, 07:20 PM
Sheriff: Intern tried to sell criminal case files

An intern at a North Carolina district attorney's office was arrested Friday after investigators said he offered to sell confidential documents in a high-profile case of a slain pregnant Marine for an "astronomical" fee to an undercover agent.

Robert Paul Sharpe, 33, of Jacksonville was charged with embezzlement and misdemeanor larceny for taking files in the murder case against Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, who is accused of killing Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach and burying her burned body in his backyard.


http://www.fayobserver.com/article_ap?id=127969

Sandybeaches
08-15-2008, 11:22 PM
Oh man, that was so much better watching that, thanks a bunch SB.

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Anyway, after hearing the good video, Sheriff Brown make it pretty clear it wasn't LK who was doing the bragging of facts over at OTC, it just happened to be LK's blog. Since I haven't followed the blog closely for a long time I'm not sure who the poster was????

Marine4400 is the poster who stated that he had read the medical records among other things.

He started posting sometime the beginning of this month and his last post was on 8/11. They are still there, look under Lauterbach case update and Mary Lauterbach testifies. Under the Mary Lauterbach testifies, his posts are down towards the bottom of all the 600+ posts.

Tom'sGirl
08-15-2008, 11:47 PM
Marine4400 is the poster who stated that he had read the medical records among other things.

He started posting sometime the beginning of this month and his last post was on 8/11. They are still there, look under Lauterbach case update and Mary Lauterbach testifies. Under the Mary Lauterbach testifies, his posts are down towards the bottom of all the 600+ posts.
Sorry, I should have come back here and let you know I read the posts in question.

The poster didn't say much more than what LK had said a long way back, and that was that the child wasn't Cesars.

LaLaw2000
08-22-2008, 10:16 AM
I wonder when Cesar will be extradited back to North Carolina? At this rate, he will die of old age before the trial!

LaLaw2000
09-09-2008, 09:15 AM
Still waiting gor an update for when Cesar will be extradited back to North Carolina for prosecution! Is Hudson not even giving anyone a ballpark idea of when this may happen?
What is taking so long?

I will NEVER forget Maria and baby Gabriel!

panthera
09-09-2008, 09:30 PM
I haven't seen or heard anything at all lately either, LaLaw!

raisincharlie
09-11-2008, 04:17 PM
It appears Laurean may be returning shortly :

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3530721/

Jacksonville, N.C. — A judge in Mexico has ruled that a Camp Lejeune Marine charged with killing a pregnant comrade will be returned to North Carolina as early as next week, the Onslow County Sheriff's Office said Thursday.

LaLaw2000
09-12-2008, 06:46 AM
I haven't seen or heard anything at all lately either, LaLaw!

panthera!

Aren't the articles great news? Cesar may be back very soon according to the articles!!!

FINALLY!

:woohoo:

raisincharlie
10-08-2008, 10:27 AM
I found this article interesting and the event to be a very good idea. Something is going on in the military, good to see someone trying to bring it to the front.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/3694552/

Tom'sGirl
10-10-2008, 08:29 PM
Laurean fighting extradition (http://www.jdnews.com/news/laurean_59998___article.html/extradition_attorney.html)
Jacksonville Daily News - Jacksonville,NC,USA
October 10, 2008 - 7:21PM

~Snips


~ Cesar Laurean is fighting extradition to the United States, his lawyer said.

Jacksonville attorney Dick McNeil said his client has filed an extradition appeal in a Mexican court.

~ A Mexican judge ruled in September that Laurean should be extradited. At that time, Onslow County Sheriff Ed Brown announced Laurean's return could be as early as the following week. Local prosecutors expected his return to be sometime in mid-October, but now say the wait could be more than a year.

~ Hudson said now U.S. authorities will have to wait and see whether a higher court will agree with the original extradition ruling or Laurean's appeal.


~ However, Ciccarelli told The Daily News on Friday that if the extradition process drags on, NCIS will consider serving a search warrant through Mexican authorities to get a DNA sample from Laurean.

"We need to get this critical investigative step taken care of," Ciccarelli said of the paternity test