Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #2

[SeriouslySearching]

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[Rick777]

Wow....it was hard getting here.

[aj1020]

Thank ya kindly!

[SeriouslySearching]

OK now where were we?

I do think if I were LE, I would be looking in every driveway and in every garage (with permission, of course) for anything resembling that vehicle.

[Rick777]

OK now where were we?

I do think if I were LE, I would be looking in every driveway and in every garage (with permission, of course) for anything resembling that vehicle.

I'm sure they are. It seems like someone would know about this truck. I can see it parked in a garage though....not going anywhere.

[aj1020]

I'm very hopeful someone will come forward with a clue on who this scuzzball is - maybe a neighbor, a co-worker, a friend, maybe even his gf or wife.

[Rick777]

I would think that if Brianna was alive.....this guy would dump her off somewhere. A field, mall, etc. knowing the coverage this is getting.

[SeriouslySearching]

Frankly, I don't believe she was alive from moments after or during the actual sexual attack. The blood on the pillow indicates physical harm of some sort occurred at the house. He could have kept her alive for a short period of time after abducting her...since I feel the rape did not take place in the house. It was either during or shortly after the rape when he killed her, imo.

[Rick777]

Frankly, I don't believe she was alive from moments after or during the attack.


Cuz of the blood??? what?

[SuziQ]

New info at the below link. It appears he actually did break into the December victims house on Jan 19th.:
http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7781239

(snips)
Reno police went door-to-door near UNR again Monday, this time armed with new information about the man who abducted a young woman more than a week ago.
***
Monday night, RPD sent that DNA information all over the country, trying to identify the attacker. Officers say, the same man is suspected of breaking into the home of his first victim, who had left the country, just one day before he kidnapped Denison.

[dimples37398]

I have found a myspace page that matches pretty good too, but I am sure there are quite a bit of them that could. How far is Sparks from Reno area where Bri was?

Is it just me or does almost every man in the reno area have a goatee that is about 1 inch long ....lol....it seems that way to me...

Don't wanna post his myspace in case he has nothing to do with it.....

This guy is 33, has a pic of his truck (dual cab/extended cab) 5'9, goatee, long face.....

[SeriouslySearching]

Is it possible that Brianna knew the other victim?

[SeriouslySearching]

Can you pm it to me? I would like to look! (No, we shouldn't post random myspace sites on the board, imo)

[SeriouslySearching]

Sparks is 4.7 miles or about a ten minute drive to the house where she was abducted.

[Rick777]

Can you pm it to me? I would like to look! (No, we shouldn't post random myspace sites on the board, imo)


Me too please!

[Rick777]

wow...I was doing the myspace search as well, and too many people have a long face with a square jaw, and chin fluff! if any of these guys have been on myspace recently, I would count them out.

[dee10134]

Frankly, I don't believe she was alive from moments after or during the actual sexual attack. The blood on the pillow indicates physical harm of some sort occurred at the house. He could have kept her alive for a short period of time after abducting her...since I feel the rape did not take place in the house. It was either during or shortly after the rape when he killed her, imo.

If the sexual attack didn't occur in the house, then how do you explain the DNA they recovered from presumably the couch?

My theory: I think he used the bear to cover her face so she wouldn't make any noise and raped her right there on the couch. Then he probably discovered that he killed her in the act, so he took her and the bear with him, probably exiting through the back door, which would explain how the blanket wound up in the kitchen.

JMHO.

[dee10134]

I have found a myspace page that matches pretty good too, but I am sure there are quite a bit of them that could. How far is Sparks from Reno area where Bri was?

Is it just me or does almost every man in the reno area have a goatee that is about 1 inch long ....lol....it seems that way to me...

Don't wanna post his myspace in case he has nothing to do with it.....

This guy is 33, has a pic of his truck (dual cab/extended cab) 5'9, goatee, long face.....

I thought they said the beard/goatee was a QUARTER to a HALF-INCH long, not an entire inch.

[dee10134]

wow...I was doing the myspace search as well, and too many people have a long face with a square jaw, and chin fluff! if any of these guys have been on myspace recently, I would count them out.

Why would you count them out? I wouldn't!

Did you ever think that maybe the perp could be shopping MySpace for his next victim? People really put TOO much info on MySpace, such as their weekend plans, etc.!!!

[10EC_Dad]

Frankly, I don't believe she was alive from moments after or during the actual sexual attack. The blood on the pillow indicates physical harm of some sort occurred at the house. He could have kept her alive for a short period of time after abducting her...since I feel the rape did not take place in the house. It was either during or shortly after the rape when he killed her, imo.

I agree. If she is not alive, then it happened within 30 min of the abduction.

One thing that still puzzles me from one of the abductions is that the perp took the victim back to her house. Am I correct on that?

[SeriouslySearching]

If the sexual attack didn't occur in the house, then how do you explain the DNA they recovered from presumably the couch?

My theory: I think he used the bear to cover her face so she wouldn't make any noise and raped her right there on the couch. Then he probably discovered that he killed her in the act, so he took her and the bear with him, probably exiting through the back door, which would explain how the blanket wound up in the kitchen.

JMHO.Where is the link that said they recovered his DNA from the couch?

DNA comes in many forms. It could have been a cigarette butt from outside the house. It doesn't have to be seminal fluid, blood, or such. Hair could also account for his DNA being found at the scene. There are so many things which do not go directly towards the sexual assault taking place on that sofa.

[Rick777]

Why would you count them out? I wouldn't!

Did you ever think that maybe the perp could be shopping MySpace for his next victim? People really put TOO much info on MySpace, such as their weekend plans, etc.!!!

Nawwww....I can't see him sitting on myspace when the whole world is looking for him. That would be careless. A few of the people I have found that fit the description are actually DJ's....which would actually make sense for a possible job of the perp!

[10EC_Dad]

Why would you count them out? I wouldn't!

Did you ever think that maybe the perp could be shopping MySpace for his next victim? People really put TOO much info on MySpace, such as their weekend plans, etc.!!!

I could see the MySpace angle if she was attacked/abducted at college.

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree. If she is not alive, then it happened within 30 min of the abduction.

One thing that still puzzles me from one of the abductions is that the perp took the victim back to her house. Am I correct on that?Yes, he did take the victim from the Dec. 16th rape back to her home and let her go.

[SuziQ]

Whether a person has recently been on their Myspace account has no bearing on whether they have or haven't recently commited a crime. Many have posted before and after a crime. In almost every case I've run across recently. JMO.

[SeriouslySearching]

Nawwww....I can't see him sitting on myspace when the whole world is looking for him. That would be careless. A few of the people I have found that fit the description are actually DJ's....which would actually make sense for a possible job of the perp!Oh, absolutely he would!! Careless is this perp's middle name!!! Look how much evidence he left on both scenes and with the other witness!!

It would make sense for him to be scouring the Myspace sites and Facebook sites to find his prior victims (visiting their websites would give him another sense of power and control after the fact)...at the very least...and perhaps to find new victims.

[10EC_Dad]

Where is the link that said they recovered his DNA from the couch?

DNA comes in many forms. It could have been a cigarette butt from outside the house. It doesn't have to be seminal fluid, blood, or such. Hair could also account for his DNA being found at the scene. There are so many things which do not go directly towards the sexual assault taking place on that sofa.


It sounds like there were alot of traffic in the apartment with alot of possible DNA from many people. It will be interesting to see what kind of DNA source it was and where it was found.

I could see it being a hair on the couch.

[murdershewrote]

hard to say, Reno is alot like Las Vegas in the sense that there are alot of people who come and go, transients who work in the casinos, etc. I think this guy is long gone out of the area by now.

[Rick777]

No matter where the perp took Brianna....he had about a five hour head start.

[aj1020]

Nawwww....I can't see him sitting on myspace when the whole world is looking for him. That would be careless. A few of the people I have found that fit the description are actually DJ's....which would actually make sense for a possible job of the perp!

I really doubt he's worried about getting caught on MySpace, if anything it's upping his anonymity, he's just one of the mix. It doesn't sound like he's an overly bright criminal so I doubt he's giving it that much forethought. I'm sure he's probably continuing on with his life as he was before so as not to arouse suspicion. We don't even know if the suspect had a myspace account in the first place!

[10EC_Dad]

Yes, he did take the victim from the Dec. 16th rape back to her home and let her go.

I would be interested to know more about how that happened. Why would he do that? That was so risky! Did he just drive by and push her out of the truck?

Why did he not take Brianna back?

[jennyjwv]

what if the other victim, one which he dropped back off and then tried to break in the day before brianna disappered, it said she was foreign, maybe taiwanese - she may have had long dark hair - maybe she was friends w/KT or the people living @ that house or partied there - perp couldn't get in night before then drove by and saw a dark haired girl on their couch and thought she was staying there????

[Rick777]

well he's bright enough to evade capture after at least three assaults, and even deliver one back home without getting caught.

[Rick777]

what if the other victim, one which he dropped back off and then tried to break in the day before brianna disappered, it said she was foreign, maybe taiwanese - she may have had long dark hair - maybe she was friends w/KT or the people living @ that house or partied there - perp couldn't get in night before then drove by and saw a dark haired girl on their couch and thought she was staying there????


Good, fresh thinking. That might expalin why the girl is out of the country....being a foreigner an all.

[jennyjwv]

i know if something like that happened to me and i lived away from home i would want to be where i felt safe and is probably why she returned home....i forget what article i saw that in that she went back home ??

[10EC_Dad]

Good, fresh thinking. That might expalin why the girl is out of the country....being a foreigner an all.

Doesn't Brianna have dark/black hair? I wonder if the first victim had dark/black hair?

[Rick777]

Doesn't Brianna have dark/black hair? I wonder if the first victim had dark/black hair?


Could be a trend

[aj1020]

well he's bright enough to evade capture after at least three assaults, and even deliver one back home without getting caught.

I think the fact that he dropped her off at home after the assault speaks to his intelligence, or lack thereof. I mean, WHO DOES THAT?!? I'm ever-so-thankful he did, and this girl is no doubt alive and well today and not in Brianna's place because of it. But seriously, I've never heard of a case of a repeat sexual offender who drops one of his victims off at home after he's finished with her. Intelligent he is not.

[jennyjwv]

Doesn't Brianna have dark/black hair? I wonder if the first victim had dark/black hair?

yes, and most asian women i know have very dark hair, whether long or not usually dark in color....

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow, Dimples! So far that site has yielded some interesting finds.

He had a Raider's chair in his living room (a raider's shirt was mentioned in one assault).

There is a Sierra truck...older model...with a step and even tho the cab is white...the back certainly looks dark blue to me.

There are babies.

I think there is enough at least to send a tip in.

[Rick777]

I think the fact that he dropped her off at home after the assault speaks to his intelligence, or lack thereof. I mean, WHO DOES THAT?!? I'm ever-so-thankful he did, and this girl is no doubt alive and well today and not in Brianna's place because of it. But seriously, I've never heard of a case of a repeat sexual offender who drops one of his victims off at home after he's finished with her. Intelligent he is not.

Not only did he drop her off at home, but he struck again in the same neighborhood. But he is smart like a cat...like it or not because he has yet to be caught.

[Rick777]

Wow, Dimples! So far that site has yielded some interesting finds.

He had a Raider's chair in his living room (a raider's shirt was mentioned in one assault).

There is a Sierra truck...older model...with a step and even tho the cab is white...the back certainly looks dark blue to me.

There are babies.

I think there is enough at least to send a tip in.


Thanks for sharing the site. (not).

[10EC_Dad]

Not only did he drop her off at home, but he struck again in the same neighborhood. But he is smart like a cat...like it or not because he has yet to be caught.

Someone he knows has to put the pieces together and send in a tip.

[paddy01]

Someone he knows has to put the pieces together and send in a tip.

IMO, as much as Brianna's story has been in the media, if he has a wife or gf, it's quite possible she'll turn him (I would hope). But, I get the feeling this guy is a loner, possibly not very attractive, once again IMO

[10EC_Dad]

Wow, Dimples! So far that site has yielded some interesting finds.

He had a Raider's chair in his living room (a raider's shirt was mentioned in one assault).

There is a Sierra truck...older model...with a step and even tho the cab is white...the back certainly looks dark blue to me.

There are babies.

I think there is enough at least to send a tip in.

Please Please Please

Think about this awhile before sending in a "tip". Could you find 100 more MySpace accounts that fit this description also?

I am sure you would hate to send the LE on a dead end and tie up resources.

I just ask that you think about it then do what you think is best.

[10EC_Dad]

IMO, as much as Brianna's story has been in the media, if he has a wife or gf, it's quite possible she'll turn him (I would hope).

I thought about that also. I also think about the case in Kansas City, and I am sure others, where the wife may have doubts but were too afraid of the reality or the husband/boyfriend to contact the LE.

If there is a wife/GF I pray for her to have the courage to make that phone call! Please join me.

[paddy01]

I thought about that also. I also think about the case in Kansas City, and I am sure others, where the wife may have doubts but were too afraid of the reality or the husband/boyfriend to contact the LE.

If there is a wife/GF I pray for her to have the courage to make that phone call! Please join me.

edited my post to add something, I added I think this guy is a loner, not very attractive, should add to the opposite sex.

[dee10134]

Please Please Please

Think about this awhile before sending in a "tip". Could you find 100 more MySpace accounts that fit this description also?

I am sure you would hate to send the LE on a dead end and tie up resources.

I just ask that you think about it then do what you think is best.

I agree. She should think about this first.

IMHO, it's not the time to go on witch hunts for all males with 1/4" to 1/2" goatees on MySpace within 20 miles of Reno with Raiders chairs in their living rooms and trucks in their garages. Maybe if LE actually releases a composite sketch we could narrow down possibilities, but we don't even know what we're looking for here besides a very generalized description.

I think LE is HOT on the perp's trail as I type this. It's only a matter of time before they find and apprehend him.

JMHO

ETA: I changed my mind. LE's calling for ANY & ALL tips regardless of how significant or insignificant they may be!

"So far, no significant tips have been called in to police or Secret Witness. But police continue to urge anyone with information about anyone resembling the suspect or his vehicle to come forward, no matter how insignificant they believe the information is."

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS18/80128023&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

[10EC_Dad]

edited my post to add something, I added I think this guy is a loner, not very attractive, should add to the opposite sex.

A loner yes, but I bet he is married, has no close friends, and is pleasant in the company of others. He is in his own small world but has learned to "fake it" in the real world that he is detached from.

I wonder if his taking the victim home was a way to prove to himself that he is really a "nice" guy. To him that probably makes sense.

[dee10134]

Where is the composite sketch!? I have the utmost confidence in LE's abilities but damn, you'd think there'd be SOMETHING by now!!!

ETA: Nevermind. "The UNR student who was assaulted did not see his face but said she saw a baby shoe inside her attacker's truck." http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290351/1321/NEWS

DAMN! :(

[10EC_Dad]

I agree. She should think about this first.

IMHO, it's not the time to go on witch hunts for all males with 1/4" to 1/2" goatees on MySpace within 20 miles of Reno with Raiders chairs in their living rooms and trucks in their garages. Maybe if LE actually releases a composite sketch we could narrow down possibilities, but we don't even know what we're looking for here besides a very generalized description.

I think LE is HOT on the perp's trail as I type this. It's only a matter of time before they find and apprehend him.

JMHO


My opinion is that they will find him at home either pertified to make a move or so detached that does not have the instinct to fear.

[10EC_Dad]

Where is the composite sketch!? I have the utmost confidence in LE's abilities but damn, you'd think there'd be SOMETHING by now!!!

ETA: Nevermind. "The UNR student who was assaulted did not see his face but said she saw a baby shoe inside her attacker's truck." http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290351/1321/NEWS

DAMN! :(


You would think that with the details given about the rest of his body and of the truck, he should be obvious to someone.

[dee10134]

This article says they're looking for someone in their 30s...

"Police are now looking for a white man in his 30s, who they think is still in the Reno area."

http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=7787550

[newshound81]

Do you think maybe the perp has already tried to paint over or somehow alter his vehicle since the police released the description? Maybe they should be checking body or detail shops.

Also, I know a lot of us are discounting that the perp is in his late teens or early 20s, but there's the possibility that this was a college student home in Reno for break from an out-of-state school just like Brianna and he is back at school now. The Nov. 13 attack is a little off, but it was only a week before Thanksgiving break. Maybe he came home early for that vacation? The other dates correlate with the length of a college winter break.

Just throwing it out there. I can't believe he hasn't been caught and Brianna hasn't been found yet.

[dee10134]

"So far, no significant tips have been called in to police or Secret Witness. But police continue to urge anyone with information about anyone resembling the suspect or his vehicle to come forward, no matter how insignificant they believe the information is."

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS18/80128023&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

[newshound81]

I see from Dee's post my thoughts on the perp can't be correct.

[dee10134]

I see from Dee's post my thoughts on the perp can't be correct.

You never know. They had an age range of 28-40 but from the outfit he is described as wearing, I'd honestly guess younger...

[10EC_Dad]

Do you think maybe the perp has already tried to paint over or somehow alter his vehicle since the police released the description? Maybe they should be checking body or detail shops.

Also, I know a lot of us are discounting that the perp is in his late teens or early 20s, but there's the possibility that this was a college student home in Reno for break from an out-of-state school just like Brianna and he is back at school now. The Nov. 13 attack is a little off, but it was only a week before Thanksgiving break. Maybe he came home early for that vacation? The other dates correlate with the length of a college winter break.

Just throwing it out there. I can't believe he hasn't been caught and Brianna hasn't been found yet.

I hope he tries to alter the truck. He will be caught at that point.

[dee10134]

It's quite possible that Brianna KNEW her attacker, according to statistics presented in the article below.

Predators seek vulnerabilities JACLYN O'MALLEY (jomalley@rgj.com)
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
Posted: 1/29/2008

Sexual predators rely on two factors: opportunity and the isolation of their victim, said a national safety expert.

"The one thing a predator needs to be successful, if they know you or not, is privacy, control and isolation," said Mathew Obenaus, co-founder of Virginia-based SAFEU, which uses education to empower citizens against sexual predators.

(SNIP)

"He said those who prey on strangers are rare and that about 90 percent of these offenders are known to their victims. He said they use interaction with their victims as a setup for sexual abuse. By testing boundaries, they are able to see how far they can go. They also use charm and manipulation."

More at link: http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290350/1004/NEWS

[dee10134]

I'm curious. Did LE actually rule out "Ian" as a suspect?

[dee10134]

What about the "stranger in the Suburban" that took her friend Jessica home?

[LionRun]

I recall an unusual case that was featured on, "Unsolved Mysteries" where a rapist abducted a young woman from the woman's front lawn at night. The woman was outside on their front lawn with her female roommate close to their own house. The rapist took her away raped her and drove her back and dropped her off close to her home.

I imagine that this slime returned the one young woman to her home after raping her was used to help to, "profile" him.

One thing that sticks in my mind is that he attacked two women who lived blocks from each other. Attackers often attack within their, "comfort zone". I think it is possible that this scum lives or works near that area, or he knows (or has known) someone and visits (or visited)someone near where both young women were attacked/abducted. I also imagine that they may have enlisted the help of a geographic profiler for this aspect.

Lion

[SuziQ]

I imagine that this slime returned the one young woman to her home after raping her was used to help to, "profile" him.

Isn't that what LE said? That's how they got his DNA and a description.

Dee, Yes the suburban dude and Ian have been cleared.

[LionRun]

Where is the composite sketch!? I have the utmost confidence in LE's abilities but damn, you'd think there'd be SOMETHING by now!!!

ETA: Nevermind. "The UNR student who was assaulted did not see his face but said she saw a baby shoe inside her attacker's truck." http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290351/1321/NEWS

DAMN! :(

Dee, I was disappointed that the one victim didn't get a look at his face as well.

He abducted, took away, raped, then returned her, and she didn't see his face. I don't think that was coincidental. I think he may have been smart enough to somehow keep her from seeing his face. But, yet he wasn't too careful about keeping his DNA to himself. I wonder if this points to him either being cocky, being a somewhat disorganized attacker or both.

Lion

[LionRun]

Isn't that what LE said? That's how they got his DNA and a description.

Dee, Yes the suburban dude and Ian have been cleared.

I meant that his actions, specifically returning the one rape victim to her home after attacking her may have been included with the information used to profile his personality and predator type. Sorry if I wasn't to clear about, "profile" versus, "DNA.":)

Lion

[10EC_Dad]

This looks like a series of attacks focused on college girls in a particular geographic location. It may be further focused on body type.

The perp may very well be white, early thirties, married, one child, employed, loner but semi-socialable (sp). He is very disconnected to reality. He is manipulative. Is showing a chronological pattern to his attacks as in a continued cycle of events that escalates his disconnect, tolorance for risk, and increase in intensity.

He has to be getting very nerveous and feeling like its all "crashing down". Depending on his level of arrogance, he may turn himself in soon.

[paddy01]

It's quite possible that Brianna KNEW her attacker, according to statistics presented in the article below.

Predators seek vulnerabilities JACLYN O'MALLEY (jomalley@rgj.com)
RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
Posted: 1/29/2008

Sexual predators rely on two factors: opportunity and the isolation of their victim, said a national safety expert.

"The one thing a predator needs to be successful, if they know you or not, is privacy, control and isolation," said Mathew Obenaus, co-founder of Virginia-based SAFEU, which uses education to empower citizens against sexual predators.

(SNIP)

"He said those who prey on strangers are rare and that about 90 percent of these offenders are known to their victims. He said they use interaction with their victims as a setup for sexual abuse. By testing boundaries, they are able to see how far they can go. They also use charm and manipulation."

More at link: http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290350/1004/NEWS

Hi dee, the sad thing is Brianna probably did know her attacker, like I stated in my other post, he's a loner, not very attractive has low self esteem and perhaps she felt sorry for him. She probably went out of her way to be nice to him, perhaps engaging him in small talk. He could be a bag boy at the local grocery store, pizza place or local mechanic.

[LionRun]

This looks like a series of attacks focused on college girls in a particular geographic location. It may be further focused on body type.

The perp may very well be white, early thirties, married, one child, employed, loner but semi-socialable (sp). He is very disconnected to reality. He is manipulative. Is showing a chronological pattern to his attacks as in a continued cycle of events that escalates his disconnect, tolorance for risk, and increase in intensity.

He has to be getting very nerveous and feeling like its all "crashing down". Depending on his level of arrogance, he may turn himself in soon.

I agree, Dad. I think your perception is very good, but I hope that his need to escalate did not include murder. If he is married or lives with a gf, then if Brianna is still alive where might she be? I don't mean to be unnecessarily negative, but it is highly possible that Brianna didn't survive.

Lion

[10EC_Dad]

I recall an unusual case that was featured on, "Unsolved Mysteries" where a rapist abducted a young woman from the woman's front lawn at night. The woman was outside on their front lawn with her female roommate close to their own house. The rapist took her away raped her and drove her back and dropped her off close to her home.

I imagine that this slime returned the one young woman to her home after raping her was used to help to, "profile" him.

One thing that sticks in my mind is that he attacked two women who lived blocks from each other. Attackers often attack within their, "comfort zone". I think it is possible that this scum lives or works near that area, or he knows (or has known) someone and visits (or visited)someone near where both young women were attacked/abducted. I also imagine that they may have enlisted the help of a geographic profiler for this aspect.

Lion

I have thought and posted here that he must live close by the victims. I am rethinking that now. I hate to flip flop but would it make sense to be that risky?

I am changing my mind and now believe that while he lives in the Reno area, he does not live in the neighborhood. However, I bet that he does work within 5-15 minutes of the neighborhood. He "scouts" it out before, during, or after work.

If that assumption is correct, where could he be employed within that proximity and those hours? Anyone that familar with Reno?

[10EC_Dad]

I agree, Dad. I think your perception is very good, but I hope that his need to escalate did not include murder. If he is married or lives with a gf, then if Brianna is still alive where might she be? I don't mean to be unnecessarily negative, but it is highly possible that Brianna didn't survive.

Lion

Lion, I concur, while I hope and pray she is alive, it is most likely she is not.

[paddy01]

I have thought and posted here that he must live close by the victims. I am rethinking that now. I hate to flip flop but would it make sense to be that risky?

I am changing my mind and now believe that while he lives in the Reno area, he does not live in the neighborhood. However, I bet that he does work within 5-15 minutes of the neighborhood. He "scouts" it out before, during, or after work.

If that assumption is correct, where could he be employed within that proximity and those hours? Anyone that familar with Reno?

ITA, I don't think he lives in neighborhood, I think he holds down job that would give access to area also. I have been to Reno lots of times, thing is where Brianna was taken from is residential, but 10 minutes from there is business district, casinos, bars, hotels.

[LionRun]

Yet, he went back to within blocks of the same area a second time. It is not uncommon for serial rapists/killers abduct their victims within a one mile or so range. But, for this slime to have attacked two within blocks of each other seems to indicate that he possibly has a strong tie to that particular area--even more so and more specific than an attacker who chooses two victims one mile apart.

Lion

[murdershewrote]

Personally I don't think she knew him, but that's just a gut feel...but I think something recent has triggered his attacks...maybe a recent breakup or major rejection, separation from wife/gf (and maybe child).

I can't ignore two items...the child's shoe in his truck and the fact that the teddy bear was taken...he may have taken the teddy bear to give to his child. But then it would be really difficult to get Brianna out of the house (alive or dead) and carry a very large teddy bear at the same time. Maybe he came back and got the bear???

[10EC_Dad]

Yet, he went back to within blocks of the same area a second time. It is not uncommon for serial rapists/killers abduct their victims within a one mile or so range. But, for this slime to have attacked two within blocks of each other seems to indicate that he possibly has a strong tie to that particular area--even more so and more specific than an attacker who chooses two victims one mile apart.

Lion

It could be that he considers it to be "target rich".

Where/what are the main suburbs in the area for an income of 30k to 60k?

[LionRun]

I'm not speculating that he most likely lives in that very neighborhood. I am speculating that it is possible that he has an at least fairly strong tie to that direct area. But, that tie may or may not involve him living in that immediate area. He could work near to the victim's homes, haves a close friend or relative that he visits in that area, have a gf in that area, or he might even live in that area.

Lion

[paddy01]

I think he targets girls he know's he wouldn't have chance with, just thinking out loud...

[LionRun]

It could be that he considers it to be "target rich".

Where/what are the main suburbs in the area for an income of 30k to 60k?


Good question, Dad. Does anyone have a map that we can place two markers on the victims' residence and see what is around there? We would need the street addresses of both residences.

Lion

[paddy01]

1395 Mackay court is where Brianna was taken from, not sure of the other.

[LionRun]

I think he targets girls he know's he wouldn't have chance with, just thinking out loud...

I think so too, paddy. I've seen Brianna's pic, and she is a very pretty young lady. I wonder how close in description the other victim is to Brianna's.

Lion

[paddy01]

I think so too, paddy. I've seen Brianna's pic, and she is a very pretty young lady. I wonder how close in description the other victim is to Brianna's.

Lion

I think other victim was asian, I believe it was mentioned earlier, I'll bet she had long dark hair and was small frame, sounds like Brianna doesn't it?Could be what creep looks for in a victim.

[LionRun]

1395 Mackay court is where Brianna was taken from, not sure of the other.

Thank you, paddy:).

Lion

[10EC_Dad]

I think he targets girls he know's he wouldn't have chance with, just thinking out loud...

Agree 100%.

[LionRun]

I understand that sometimes if a predator feels the compulsion to attack and no one matching his idea of a victim is available he will attack whomever he can. But, I wouldn't be surprised if he found just what he was looking for in Brianna and the other victim. Gosh, I hope he is stopped before he attacks again. And, I hope and pray that Brianna is found.

Lion

[murdershewrote]

If he is going after a certain "type" of girl, a certain type of look, then he may have spotted Brianna that night, either at the concert or casino. Remember, she was only in town for winter break and not staying at that house regularly (had been staying with her parents)...so following this theory, he must have specifically followed her home that night. Makes sense if he was looking for a victim he might go to a concert or casino. He just basically lucked out that she slept on the couch and not in her friend's room.

Those houses are close together...but seems nobody heard a truck coming or going that late at night, no tire tracks in the driveway that we know of. Yet I can't imagine him walking her out of the house to his truck parked further away.

I don't know...at this point in the case, nothing is still really all that clear.

[LionRun]

Does anyone know the street/street address or know where the immediate area is where the other victim whom he took home is located?

Lion

[paddy01]

I understand that sometimes if a predator feels the compulsion to attack and no one matching his idea of a victim is available he will attack whomever he can. But, I wouldn't be surprised if he found just what he was looking for in Brianna and the other victim. Gosh, I hope he is stopped before he attacks again. And, I hope and pray that Brianna is found.

Lion

Don't know if you're familiar with the Hillside Strangler crimes they happened in the 1970's all the victims had long hair, similar body types.
I know Brianna was of small statue, I'm assuming assault victim if asian is petite also, easier to overpower.

[KR2tonenow]

If the sexual attack didn't occur in the house, then how do you explain the DNA they recovered from presumably the couch?

My theory: I think he used the bear to cover her face so she wouldn't make any noise and raped her right there on the couch. Then he probably discovered that he killed her in the act, so he took her and the bear with him, probably exiting through the back door, which would explain how the blanket wound up in the kitchen.

JMHO.

I am with you on that theory as well.

[paddy01]

Does anyone know the street/street address or know where the immediate area is where the other victim whom he took home is located?

Lion

I tried finding address on the first thread, it has locale of first attack,
too many though, need help!

[newshound81]

Lion, someone had posted a map somewhere with dots marking all three attacks, but I can't find it. I can't recall if it was on a news site or a forum. I'll keep checking anf post if I find it.

[murdershewrote]

I doubt if a rape victim's street address has been released, at least I hope it hasn't. Her name shouldn't be released either.

[KR2tonenow]

I would be interested to know more about how that happened. Why would he do that? That was so risky! Did he just drive by and push her out of the truck?

Why did he not take Brianna back?

I'm with you on that one, I think with each victim, he became "more experienced and progressed more violently".

Plus way too much publicity on this one, probably got scared and used other means.

IMO

[dimples37398]

400 block college drive if I remember correctly

[paddy01]

If he is going after a certain "type" of girl, a certain type of look, then he may have spotted Brianna that night, either at the concert or casino. Remember, she was only in town for winter break and not staying at that house regularly (had been staying with her parents)...so following this theory, he must have specifically followed her home that night. Makes sense if he was looking for a victim he might go to a concert or casino. He just basically lucked out that she slept on the couch and not in her friend's room.

Those houses are close together...but seems nobody heard a truck coming or going that late at night, no tire tracks in the driveway that we know of. Yet I can't imagine him walking her out of the house to his truck parked further away.

I don't know...at this point in the case, nothing is still really all that clear.

He probably parked vehicle block over, that's why no one tire tracks. I don't think he knew he was going to end up taking her. I believe he took her out back door, only because of blanket found in kitchen. I do think he looks for a certain type victim, small women, his description 5"7" to 5'9" not very tall himself. IMO

[dimples37398]

then 1400 block north virginia street

[paddy01]

then 1400 block north virginia street

Think you're right. High school address 395 booth

[dimples37398]

About 5 p.m. Nov. 13, a 21-year-old UNR student was walking to her home and was in the parking lot of her apartment complex in the 400 block of College Drive when a man grabbed her and fondled her. He ran away after she kicked him and screamed.
About 2 a.m., Dec. 16, a 22-year-old UNR student was walking to her apartment in the 1400 block of North Virginia Street when a man grabbed her from behind and rendered her unconscious. She woke up inside his pickup and was forced to commit a sexual act on him before he drove her home.

[10EC_Dad]

Wow, the Reno real estate market looks bad if you are a seller.

Does anyone know anything about the North Valleys neighborhood? I looks to be northwest of town. I wonder if what the work and age demographics are for that area.

[paddy01]

Wow, the Reno real estate market looks bad if you are a seller.

Does anyone know anything about the North Valleys neighborhood? I looks to be northwest of town. I wonder if what the work and age demographics are for that area.

High school in that area.

[KR2tonenow]

Wow, the Reno real estate market looks bad if you are a seller.

Does anyone know anything about the North Valleys neighborhood? I looks to be northwest of town. I wonder if what the work and age demographics are for that area.

If you are referring to the neighborhood Brianna was taken from, I believe it was said, on Fox News a couple days ago, that it was a "working class" neighborhood. But mostly occupied by students from the University.

[newshound81]

Here is the link to a map of all the assaults:
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080128/NEWS01/801280338/1002

It doesn't give actual addresses, but has street names.

[galvino]

I don't think he is neccisarily unattractive, he may be non descript. Rape is about control & power. I think based on the topic we discussed ad nauseum before, baby shoe etc, he is probably sexually active, but has fantasies of rape due to lack of control in his own life or other psych issues. He may be new to this because of the escalation of violence, or could have done this (or peeping, etc) prior if he lived in another town/state etc.

I wonder if he took the former rape victim home in order to find out where she lived b/c he knew she was vulnerable and scared and (as it panned out) he did go back to her house-probably with the intention of raping her again, knowing she would be absolutely terrified. That is what gets him off I think- not normal sex. He seems to be a serial killer in the making and that is frightening!

[dimples37398]

I did a map on google earth the night before last but only saved the screen shot as a JPG

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg111/iceman21740/googledenison.jpg

[paddy01]

Wow, the Reno real estate market looks bad if you are a seller.

Does anyone know anything about the North Valleys neighborhood? I looks to be northwest of town. I wonder if what the work and age demographics are for that area.

High school, self storage, True value hardware store, Plumbing Company, Sports Complex, Lawn Maintenance, Bank of America. Real estate market does look bad!

[10EC_Dad]

High school, self storage, True value hardware store, Plumbing Company, Sports Complex, Lawn Maintenance, Bank of America. Real estate market does look bad!

This is what I found about North Valleys:

Median Age = 33.5
Ave Household Size = 2.9
Ave Salary/Wage = $39,500
House = 3 bdrm 2 ba
Education Level = High School

Sorry, I had a little time on my hands.

I am interested in this area as a possible residence location of the perp.

[jubie]

There is a small chance he's keeping her alive somewhere because he can't bring himself to murder her or he is scared to keep going after more girls upping his chances of getting caught. He actually drove a prior victim home, that speaks to a shred of guilt. I just can't bare the thought of her living years as his prisoner enduring a living hell. Poor girl.


Jubie

[dimples37398]

This is a really good read about serial sexual assualts/rapists. Has different profiling techniques as far as how they choose their location, victim, usual acts and if they are at higher risk for murdering victims.

http://www.corpus-delicti.com/rape.html

[paddy01]

This is what I found about North Valleys:

Median Age = 33.5
Ave Household Size = 2.9
Ave Salary/Wage = $39,500
House = 3 bdrm 2 ba
Education Level = High School

Sorry, I had a little time on my hands.

I am interested in this area as a possible residence location of the perp.

I'm thinking he might work in this area, possibility that he's worked in their neighborhoods, somebody that is there on a regular basis, someone you wouldn't give a second thought too. I have phone #'s of all business I listed, quite tempted to phone them and see if any of their employee's fits description, LOL, way into this!

[Rick777]

Where is the composite sketch!? I have the utmost confidence in LE's abilities but damn, you'd think there'd be SOMETHING by now!!!

ETA: Nevermind. "The UNR student who was assaulted did not see his face but said she saw a baby shoe inside her attacker's truck." http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS01/801290351/1321/NEWS

DAMN! :(


Then how do we know he has a long face and square jaw?

[10EC_Dad]

I'm thinking he might work in this area, possibility that he's worked in their neighborhoods, somebody that is there on a regular basis, someone you wouldn't give a second thought too. I have phone #'s of all business I listed, quite tempted to phone them and see if any of their employee's fits description, LOL, way into this!

I am thinking he could live in an area similar to North Valleys but works within 10-15 minutes of where the crimes have taken place.

[StillHoping]

I wonder if he took the former rape victim home in order to find out where she lived b/c he knew she was vulnerable and scared and (as it panned out) he did go back to her house-probably with the intention of raping her again, knowing she would be absolutely terrified. That is what gets him off I think- not normal sex. He seems to be a serial killer in the making and that is frightening!

Didn't one of the articles say that the assault victim was abducted from her front yard? I swear I read that somewhere. But, when you follow every case you come across, it can get hard to keep all the details straight.

If I am correct, then he already knew where she lived, or that she at least knew someone living there.

[paddy01]

This is a really good read about serial sexual assualts/rapists. Has different profiling techniques as far as how they choose their location, victim, usual acts and if they are at higher risk for murdering victims.

http://www.corpus-delicti.com/rape.html

Yes, it is good read, on some of the examples given, fits to a T, about high profile case I posted earlier Hillside Strangler in CA & also a guy named Bittaker, really into the torture (sorry if graphic). I printed this out, Thanks.

[dimples37398]

np, that website is definately interesting!!

Kel

[paddy01]

dimples sure wished you posted link earlier, have been reading ever since, LOL, forgot for a moment about this case.

[teacherbonnie]

Took me an hour of reading to catch up with you all!

One thing I noticed..."he rendered her unconscious" is often stated. Once, very early, I read that she (I'm talking about the Dec. 16th victim)bumped her head. I haven't read that again. Anyway, I wonder when she "came to" and how did he know she would? If not a "head bump" how did he do it...and maybe the same way to Bri? What is that chemical that when inhaled can make you pass out?

[gardenmom]

I am with you on that theory as well.

I haven't read the last two pages, so sorry if this has been said before, but why would he have taken her body if she was killed right there on the couch? He was home free by then, so all he had to do was leave. If he took her dead he would have to worry about getting rid of the body. I think he kept or is keeping her alive to use for his sick fetishes.

[Reannan]

What is that chemical that when inhaled can make you pass out?

Ether?

[Reannan]

I haven't read the last two pages, so sorry if this has been said before, but why would he have taken her body if she was killed right there on the couch? He was home free by then, so all he had to do was leave. If he took her dead he would have to worry about getting rid of the body. I think he kept or is keeping her alive to use for his sick fetishes.

As bad as it sounds, Gardenmom - I am holding onto the same hope. I want her to live!! Don't forget that she was majoring in psychology. If she had half a chance, I bet she would have honed in on his weakness and attempted to manipulate it for all it is worth!!! I sure hope she was able to do that. His act of taking one of the previous victims home after the assault is fascinating. This says to me that he once had a heart....unless he planned on going back to terrorize.....grrrr..... It would also indicate that his crimes are escalating, and having had a heart does not mean he still has one. I just feel that time is of the essence. I have found a few people on the net that I personally think should be looked at closer. The discussion earlier about not bothering LE with pointless rabbits to chase is valid. What we need is a detective who can tell us if they have enough information for us to be able to send at least pictures and let them decide quickly!!!! It boils down to that.....or somehow giving us more information to go on. How can we know about a long face and square chin and not have an artist sketch?? How can we know so much about the inside of the vehicle, and not have an idea if it is a truck or an SUV???? Blindfolds to the vicitm??? Why would that be information that LE would have to hold back??? This is driving me insane because she may be OUT THERE!!! :banghead:

[SuziQ]

Took me an hour of reading to catch up with you all!

One thing I noticed..."he rendered her unconscious" is often stated. Once, very early, I read that she (I'm talking about the Dec. 16th victim)bumped her head. I haven't read that again. Anyway, I wonder when she "came to" and how did he know she would? If not a "head bump" how did he do it...and maybe the same way to Bri? What is that chemical that when inhaled can make you pass out?

I keep coming back to that as well. Then he obviously carried her to his truck. There are ways to move an imobile body. Put that together with using chloroform and I'm thinking healthcare worker, aid, or something along those lines. However, chloroform can be made with household products. The below is from Wiki.

In the United States, chloroform began to replace ether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diethyl_ether) as an anesthetic at the beginning of the 20th century; however, it was quickly abandoned in favor of ether upon discovery of its toxicity, especially its tendency to cause fatal cardiac arrhythmia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiac_arrhythmia) analogous to what is now termed "sudden sniffer's death (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solvent_abuse)".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloroform

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow! I go to work and come home to find 3 more pages! You guys have been busy!

For starters...YES! Dimples should call in or email LE the website she sent to me. I think they should at least look at it. I normally am not for sending in websites we see on here...but this one had several things which had been mentioned in the recent attacks plus it is only a ten minute drive from where this guy lives. LE hasn't had many leads and they need something. What IF it is this guy and we had the information only to sit on it? Are we going to be OK with that later on? I am not.

Newshound...I have to agree with you that I believe he could very well be late teens or late 20s (which would put him college age).

[panthera]

There is a small chance he's keeping her alive somewhere because he can't bring himself to murder her or he is scared to keep going after more girls upping his chances of getting caught. He actually drove a prior victim home, that speaks to a shred of guilt. I just can't bare the thought of her living years as his prisoner enduring a living hell. Poor girl.
Jubie
I'm wondering if Brianna's alcohol consumption that night could've contributed to her death if he tried to smother her? Sadly I don't think he's holding her somewhere but she hasn't turned up yet because either something went wrong during the assault, or he intended to kill her so she couldn't identify him.

[SeriouslySearching]

Reannan~ It appears this perp acted quickly when he abducted the victim. He got her into the vehicle and obviously held her down so she only got the view of his face from below not the full features which would also mean he took her from behind. During the attack, she was underneath him from what I am gathering from her description and her view was only from below his waist with her eyes looking up towards his chin. (I think she did a remarkable job in remembering details of him and the interior of the vehicle under the circumstances.) When he let her go, he probably tossed her out of the truck or suv and took off...leaving her without her bearings after what took place to notice what he was actually driving.

[SeriouslySearching]

I haven't read the last two pages, so sorry if this has been said before, but why would he have taken her body if she was killed right there on the couch? He was home free by then, so all he had to do was leave. If he took her dead he would have to worry about getting rid of the body. I think he kept or is keeping her alive to use for his sick fetishes.I think he took Brianna from the house before he attacked her sexually, imo. I don't think he held onto her for any length of time tho. You are right...if he had done what he was going to do in the house there was no reason to take her.

[teacherbonnie]

Certainly ether could have been used on Dec. victim. He saw it worked well, allowed him to easily get her into his vehicle with no fight...and then he used it on Bri with the same results. No screams from either.

I know KT's home is on a corner with a patio area on the side. I wonder if perp parked on the side street and exited the back door. What's in their backyard? I thought I saw garbage cans one time. Actually he could have entered and left through the back, dropping the blanket on the way out.

Anyone here been to the home?

Maybe he's a nurse...

[paddy01]

Certainly ether could have been used on Dec. victim. He saw it worked well, allowed him to easily get her into his vehicle with no fight...and then he used it on Bri with the same results. No screams from either.

I know KT's home is on a corner with a patio area on the side. I wonder if perp parked on the side street and exited the back door. What's in their backyard? I thought I saw garbage cans one time. Actually he could have entered and left through the back, dropping the blanket on the way out.

Anyone here been to the home?

Maybe he's a nurse...

Maybe works in a veterinarian's office they have access to ether.

[KR2tonenow]

Then how do we know he has a long face and square jaw?


Also, did he wear some kind of mask?? Did they say why she didn't see his face?:rolleyes:

[teacherbonnie]

No mask we know of.

We think she was below him and couldn't see anything from the chin up. She gave outstanding clues...just no eye color or nose description.

Is ether hard to buy...like where DO you buy it?

[SuziQ]

No mask we know of.

We think she was below him and couldn't see anything from the chin up. She gave outstanding clues...just no eye color or nose description.

Is ether hard to buy...like where DO you buy it?

I don't know about ether, but I just posted about chloroform a few posts back. You can make your own.

[KansasCutie]

I just read on another forum that he may have worked at 24 Hour Fitness.

Theres one very close to the location of the assaults and there colors and red and blue for work.

1595 Sky Mountain Drive
Reno, NV 89503
Total Est. Time: 9.3 minutes

[panthera]

I just read on another forum that he may have worked at 24 hour fitness.

Theres one very close to the location of the assaults and there colors and red and blue for work.

1595 Sky Mountain Drive
Reno, NV 89503
Total Est. Time: 9.3 minutes
Doesn't that kind of contradict the description that he's strong but not a bodybuilder and has belly fat? Would they have employees who aren't "fit"?

[KR2tonenow]

I just read on another forum that he may have worked at 24 Hour Fitness.

Theres one very close to the location of the assaults and there colors and red and blue for work.

1595 Sky Mountain Drive
Reno, NV 89503
Total Est. Time: 9.3 minutes

are they checking out all employess past and present there now?

[teacherbonnie]

Yes, read that. I thought it said ether is used today instead of chloroform?

Does the smell linger? Like would KT and Jessica have smelled it?

The words "rendered unconscious" could be saying alot and telling us about him.

[LionRun]

I heard another report this afternoon on Fox News, and the anchor stated that he was reported to be slightly overweight with not a large stomach. Specifically, she stated that his tummy was not flabby but firm and had a little extra fat. Don't fitness club employees usually have a strong interest in and need to keep up their fitness? I also don't know how accurate the report was.

Looking at the maps that a couple of members posted (thank you:), I googled them and found the distances between all three points where attacks occurred are less than 1500 feet or so. I just can't help but think that he has a very strong tie to that area. Why not a mile or two away? He had a vehicle. Why were three locations within walking distance from each other?

Lion

[KansasCutie]

Doesn't that kind of contradict the description that he's strong but not a bodybuilder and has belly fat? Would they have employees who aren't "fit"?

I use to go to the 24 hour fitness in my town and not all of them were in the most fabulous shape. Theres people who work the food stand place/janitor people/cleaning up towels people....who arent fat but arent completely in shape.

[SuziQ]

Yes, read that. I thought it said ether is used today instead of chloroform?

Does the smell linger? Like would KT and Jessica have smelled it?

The words "rendered unconscious" could be saying alot and telling us about him.

I think someone theorized Ether, a good theory it is. I don't know how long the smell would linger of either ether or chloroform. IMO, he's able to somehow carry a passed out victim to his truck.

[guestwriter]

I think this is real important that you notify someone about your find on MYSPACE. If I knew how to look I would do it and send it in. I am in contact with the police in Reno and I think they would be interested in this information....

[SuziQ]

I feel the poi drives through the area to and from somewhere that's in his regular routine. Or the pickens are easy there.

[panthera]

I use to go to the 24 hour fitness in my town and not all of them were in the most fabulous shape. Theres people who work the food stand place/janitor people/cleaning up towels people....who arent fat but arent completely in shape.
Thanks :) I hadn't thought of an employee in that capacity.

[KansasCutie]

Thanks :) I hadn't thought of an employee in that capacity.

Yeah & it would make sense of his hours....its open 24 hours a day...his shift could end/start at midnight or 1am or whenever.

They wear red silk like shirts with 24 hour fitness printed on the left side in small letters with athletic pants.

[teacherbonnie]

SQ...easy to carry a small, passed-out victim to his vehicle...but something has to make them pass out!!! And if he used that "something" on Dec. victim he had to know about how long it would last. I mean, he didn't want to get her and himself into the truck and wait 15 min. til she woke up. If any of these thoughts are true, then he has medical knowledge.

[SuziQ]

SQ...easy to carry a small, passed-out victim to his vehicle...but something has to make them pass out!!! And if he used that "something" on Dec. victim he had to know about how long it would last. I mean, he didn't want to get her and himself into the truck and wait 15 min. til she woke up. If any of these thoughts are true, then he has medical knowledge.

Or a chem student.

[paddy01]

SQ...easy to carry a small, passed-out victim to his vehicle...but something has to make them pass out!!! And if he used that "something" on Dec. victim he had to know about how long it would last. I mean, he didn't want to get her and himself into the truck and wait 15 min. til she woke up. If any of these thoughts are true, then he has medical knowledge.

ether is also used as a starter fluid for cars & vehicles, spray it into intake of carburetor and it will start engine. Mechanic?

[Leviosa]

Weighin' in again…

I don't believe that Brianna was this perpetrators intended target. As for me, she just wasn't in town or especially at the residence long enough for anyone to really have scoped this out. I was just reading an article that was intriguing, at least to me:

For all intent and purposes, this off-campus house sounds to me to be just this side of 'Delta House.' I mean no disrespect at all. However, admittedly with lots of people—college students—going in and out into the "common room" enough to leave a door unlocked, well, says a lot to me. Furthermore, any person under the sun could have simply walked in none the wiser. Brianna would not have known if the person lived there, or crashed, flopped, or hung-out there. She may very well been awake (or asleep) when this person entered.

At times I feel that the perp may have been watching this particular house for reasons mentioned above. Furthermore, it also sounds as though during that weekend there were more people in and out than the normal flow of college students. I do agree with so many on this board that this perp lives within reasonable 'fast getaway' proximity. In addition, there are a lot of characteristics about this person that a spouse, girlfriend, or boyfriend would know. And I pray that this isn't a collusionary circumstance.

More coming up... :rolleyes:

[panthera]

Yeah & it would make sense of his hours....its open 24 hours a day...his shift could end/start at midnight or 1am or whenever.

They wear red silk like shirts with 24 hour fitness printed on the left side in small letters with athletic pants.
I hope if it is one of their employees someone there watches the news and will turn him in! I can't believe that no one has come forward yet with the detailed description that's been given out.

[10EC_Dad]

I feel the poi drives through the area to and from somewhere that's in his regular routine. Or the pickens are easy there.

I think he has 3 distinct locations:

1) Where he lives
2) Where he works
3) Where he "plays" out his fantasies

It keeps it seperate from the real world. It is close by where he lives or works (thats my vote) but distinctly different.

[SuziQ]

I'm perplexed by the small amount of tips that's been reported. Usually LE gets more than they can keep up with.

[Leviosa]

Well thank you Suzy-Q that was my theory...yet, I'm sure it's crossed eveyones mind at least once or twice.

First everyone: thanks so much for the maps, addresses, and other contributions, we are all working on the same purpose and page here and I love it!

Now for the questions: The Dec. 16th victim, doesn't appear to have been raped in the defined since of the working definition. "She was rendered unconscious" has bothered me since Day 1; therefore, in every one of my posts, or other writing I have done vis-a-vie this ugly situation has made mention of whether or not the police tested for any other residue on the pillow? Ether was the substance I was thinking about.

Inasmuch as Dec. 16th was not raped, rather, "…forced to do (perform) a sex act on him…" it makes me very curious about what, and where the DNA reference they do have came from. It further bothers me that these people involved as LE aren't sharing the information in a more timely fashion.

However, if it is for the sake of Brianna's life that they are withholding information, so be it. She's a smart girl. If there is any way possible for her to pacify this guy I believe she may have a chance; notwithstanding that he didn't accidentally kill her.

Prayer, pray, and more prayer! :rolleyes:

[10EC_Dad]

I hope if it is one of their employees someone there watches the news and will turn him in! I can't believe that no one has come forward yet with the detailed description that's been given out.

The clothing is too common to atribute to his employer. It would be different if the description included a McDonalds uniform.

[Leviosa]

SuziQ:

I totally agree with you and I think I've stated that as well. The only reason I can think of for deliberately withholding information I think, would be the notion that somehow they have reason to believe she's alive.

By now we all know that the 100K was a mistake by the main stream media. Could 'ransom' have been leaked-out?

Leviosa

[SuziQ]

I also feel this guy is very normal looking, perhaps fairly attractive, able to have a sexual relationship, but he's not getting his kicks the normal way. Hence his extra activities. He's not after intercourse, he gets that at home. IMO, it's not someone who's on anyone's radar. No one would suspect a fairly decent looking, relatively normal behaving guy who's married and has a kid or two.

[10EC_Dad]

SuziQ:

I totally agree with you and I think I've stated that as well. The only reason I can think of for deliberately withholding information I think, would be the notion that somehow they have reason to believe she's alive.

By now we all know that the 100K was a mistake by the main stream media. Could 'ransom' have been leaked-out?

Leviosa

The ransom idea is interesting. I was surprised by the amount when I first read it. If he did ask for ransom then he must have known the family could pay it (I am not certian that they can). But, you know, $100,000 is not going to last for very long.

Since this is linked to sexual assaults, I think that was his motivation with Brianna. I wish he was after money and is holding her but I don't think that is what has happened.

[SuziQ]

The day started early. At 4am, Bridgette Denison and her dad, Bob Zunino, arrived at the Reno police station. They were positioned, miced up and within seconds the story of Brianna was hitting televisions across the country.
The CBS network is doing what it can to bring about awareness of 19-year-old Brianna Denison who's been missing now nine days... believed to be kidnapped... linked by DNA to a sexual predator who seeks out university women.
During her CBS interview Bridgette asked Wendy to hold her cell phone just in case Brianna called. (more at link)
http://www.ktvn.com/Global/story.asp?S=7792452

[panthera]

The clothing is too common to atribute to his employer. It would be different if the description included a McDonalds uniform.
I was thinking only if he worked at that particular fitness place someone might recognize the attire as what their employees wear and then match the physical description up. Granted the attire might be something off the rack sold at sports stores.

[10EC_Dad]

I also feel this guy is very normal looking, perhaps fairly attractive, able to have a sexual relationship, but he's not getting his kicks the normal way. Hence his extra activities. He's not after intercourse, he gets that at home. IMO, it's not someone who's on anyone's radar. No one would suspect a fairly decent looking, relatively normal behaving guy who's married and has a kid or two.

You are right on it. Early 30's, married, employed, lives in a moderate suburb, works in Reno, one child, average looks, semi social, can be charming, usually quite, no close friends, manipulative, and secretly insane.

Thats my thought on his profile.

[panthera]

You are right on it. Early 30's, married, employed, lives in a moderate suburb, works in Reno, one child, average looks, semi social, can be charming, usually quite, no close friends, manipulative, and secretly insane.

Thats my thought on his profile.
You're probably very close! Just a thought but maybe he just works in the university area and doesn't live nearby? Maybe even has more than one vehicle and is now taking another one to work? I'd think if he lived nearby his truck would be spotted by someone searching for Brianna.

[10EC_Dad]

You're probably very close! Just a thought but maybe he just works in the university area and doesn't live nearby? Maybe even has more than one vehicle and is now taking another one to work? I'd think if he lived nearby his truck would be spotted by someone searching for Brianna.

Yes, I also wonder if he is taking a 2nd vehicle to work now.

[panthera]

Yes, I also wonder if he is taking a 2nd vehicle to work now.
His physical description was more vague than the one given the truck so it wouldn't surprise me if he does have access to another car/truck to be using that one now. If he has seen the news reports he may even wonder if LE is withholding more information than they've given out.

Doesn't look like Greta will have anything much tonight ~ more political coverage. :(

[gardenmom]

http://www.24hourfitness.com/training/our_trainers/

A link to shirts worn by employees of 24 hr fitness (in case anyone cares). I don't think it looks like the description.

[Reannan]

http://www.24hourfitness.com/training/our_trainers/

A link to shirts worn by employees of 24 hr fitness (in case anyone cares). I don't think it looks like the description.

I think he is too smart to wear his work clothes to an "abduction" and then politely take the girl back home. I think the clothes that we have a description for, are his....maybe from a team he played on, or coached for, but he considers them "his".....not those of uniform for an employer. JMHO.

[Reannan]

LE needs to go back and talk to both victims of the previous attacks again. I just have a feeling there is information we are missing, and they perhaps have a critical piece of it!

[SuziQ]

You are right on it. Early 30's, married, employed, lives in a moderate suburb, works in Reno, one child, average looks, semi social, can be charming, usually quite, no close friends, manipulative, and secretly insane.

Thats my thought on his profile.

I think his life as it is now is preventing him from pulling up stakes and leaving. But I bet he's been doing alot of CYA. I wonder if the first two victims walking home were routine? As in were they walking home from work, friend? Was it something that was done often?

[SeriouslySearching]

There was an article or a statement early on when I was going through researching that said the one victim had fallen which is how she was "rendered unconscious". I will try to go back and find it. For this reason, I don't think he used any sort of solvent or chemical.

I would like them to ask her the possible color of the carpeting in the vehicle, the detailed account of him dropping her off, and what music, if any, did he play in the cd player. I also recommend they have her undergo hypnosis to try to retrieve any other valuable information.

[SuziQ]

I've been giving alot of thought to this guys wife/GF/even an ex turning in him. I don't think it's going to happen. No one wants to believe that the person they are with are capable of something like this. They rarely turn their significant other in. Especially if they are currently living with this guy. IMO.

[SeriouslySearching]

LE doesn't know if it is a truck or an suv...so I doubt that he is too worried at this point. The description so far could match hundreds of men in the Reno area. They have not narrowed it down in age, height, or other ways. He could or could not have a mustache, for instance. While her details are excellent under those circumstances...they aren't enough to allow LE to pinpoint even a select group of suspects.

[SuziQ]

You are right on it. Early 30's, married, employed, lives in a moderate suburb, works in Reno, one child, average looks, semi social, can be charming, usually quite, no close friends, manipulative, and secretly insane.

Thats my thought on his profile.

And his wife has no clue.

[SeriouslySearching]

I've been giving alot of thought to this guys wife/GF/even an ex turning in him. I don't think it's going to happen. No one wants to believe that the person they are with are capable of something like this. They rarely turn their significant other in. Especially if they are currently living with this guy. IMO.I would have to agree. It would be more likely a neighbor or someone who knows him from social circles that has noticed him being out and about at odd times. Perhaps he has been talking about these cases a lot, which is uncharacteristic for him, and draws suspicion. Someone is going to spot something that is just "off" about this guy.

I personally do not expect him to be a loner at all. I think he is used to being in the middle of things and even the center of attention. It could be why he takes so many chances. He is used to getting what he wants and is comfortable taking it when he wants. If he didn't have a certain level of confidence, he would never have attempted going back to his victim's home a second time.

[philamena]

10EC_Dad,
It will be interesting to see how close you are in your description of the perp. I bet you're spot on.
FWIW, He sounds like another Ted Bundy, except Bundy wasn't married.

[KansasCutie]

I personally do not expect him to be a loner at all. I think he is used to being in the middle of things and even the center of attention. It could be why he takes so many chances. He is used to getting what he wants and is comfortable taking it when he wants. If he didn't have a certain level of confidence, he would never have attempted going back to his victim's home a second time.

Thats what i think too.

[SeriouslySearching]

Another note on the myspace page that Dimples found is that the person just lost a good friend of his in October 2007. As we have heard repeatedly, sometimes perps have a traumatic event which precedes sprees.

I thought it was interesting anyway. The other attack was Nov. 13th.

[Utopia]

I think this is real important that you notify someone about your find on MYSPACE. If I knew how to look I would do it and send it in. I am in contact with the police in Reno and I think they would be interested in this information....

Bumping for guestwriter as there was a flurry of posts following yours and it might have got missed. I noticed it was your first post and wanted to say WELCOME!:D

Can you share anything about your connection with the Reno LE in this matter?

[SuziQ]

Anyone have anymore thoughts on the typed papers?

[SuziQ]

Bumping for guestwriter as there was a flurry of posts following yours and it might have got missed. I noticed it was your first post and wanted to say WELCOME!:D

Can you share anything about your connection with the Reno LE in this matter?

Sorry guestwriter! Welcome to WS! :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to Websleuths, Guestwriter!! (Thanks for pointing that out, Utopia!) We do get into what we are writing here and usually have ten other sites open at the same time. Posts do get buried quickly and I forget to respond.

I did notice what you said and was thrilled because you agreed with me. LOL She should send in that information. (Do you have a link to the myspace page to see what we are talking about?)

[Bobbisangel]

On Nancy Grace tonight it said that the man shaved his lower area. If he has a wife or girlfriend that should get her to thinking if she hears that. How many men shave down there. It seems that he shaved his hair from other areas too...maybe arms and legs...I can't remember now. Even if the wife or girlfriend have doubts it seems that would eat at her. She could start putting together the times he was gone with the times of the rapes and abduction and maybe she will contact LE. I hope so.

It sounds like he is esculating in his behavior towards women. Didn't he take the first two women back home and didn't he rape them in his truck? He hasn't taken Bree back home and that scares me. If he is married or has a girlfriend then he wouldn't have taken her to his house. It sure doesn't sound good.

That poor girl just spending the night with her friends and her life probably came to an end because of this scum of the earth.

[gardenmom]

On Nancy Grace tonight it said that the man shaved his lower area. If he has a wife or girlfriend that should get her to thinking if she hears that. How many men shave down there. It seems that he shaved his hair from other areas too...maybe arms and legs...I can't remember now. .

Go back to the old thread or the beginnng of this one and you will see that it is common to shave (as I have learned!). :eek:

[teacherbonnie]

Speaking of shaving...might he have shaved off that chin hair???? That is the only facial characteristic we can look for and if it's gone...he then just blends in with the crowd.

Maybe today will be the day that important tip comes in. Hopefully all of Reno is being bombarded with TV, print, and radio alerts to this case.

[10EC_Dad]

Speaking of shaving...might he have shaved off that chin hair???? That is the only facial characteristic we can look for and if it's gone...he then just blends in with the crowd.

Maybe today will be the day that important tip comes in. Hopefully all of Reno is being bombarded with TV, print, and radio alerts to this case.

The more coverage this gets in Reno, the more likely he will get caught in his CYA. I do think he will get caught from a tip by someone who knows him.

[guestwriter]

What if it wasn't his vehicle? What if he worked at a station and had the keys to vehicles there that belonged to co-workers and just took that one that night. What if the truck/SUV is just sitting in a lot somewhere close by? I agree he works close by...and lives further away. He peruses this area quite frequently. He works during the day...and trolls at night...just some random thoughts....

[10EC_Dad]

What if it wasn't his vehicle? What if he worked at a station and had the keys to vehicles there that belonged to co-workers and just took that one that night. What if the truck/SUV is just sitting in a lot somewhere close by? I agree he works close by...and lives further away. He peruses this area quite frequently. He works during the day...and trolls at night...just some random thoughts....

That is possible. However, if that was my truck, I would be calling LE to clear my name. That would lead to the garage and the perp.

[dee10134]

Can someone PM me the MySpace page?

[nanandjim]

...He's not after intercourse, he gets that at home...
Maybe not, if his wife recently had a child.

[newshound81]

Hey guys, I just found this on nevadasagebrush.com:(http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2007/12/16/student-kidnapped-sexually-assaulted/):

The suspect is described as a heavy-set white male about 30 to 40 years old. He has some facial hair and was wearing a Raider’s t-shirt.The suspect vehicle is a dark, single cab truck with cloth seats and an after-market CD player with blue and red lights. It is described as an older truck.

“The victim stated that her keys to her vehicle and residence were taken and that subject may have been prowling in the area days prior to this happening,” according to police.

I don't recall reading in the recent reports that the suspect had taken the woman's keys. I guess that's how he got back into her house during the attempted burglary the weekend Brianna disappeared.

[SuziQ]

Maybe, not if his wife recently had a child.

Interesting. That could be a trigger.

[SuziQ]

Brianna has a website now.

http://www.briannadenison.com/

ETA: lots of photos of Brianna I hadn't seen before. My favorite is the one of her laughing. What a cutie.

[10EC_Dad]

Interesting. That could be a trigger.

I think this guy has been "sick" for a long time. There may be a catalyst to his most recent behavior, but this has been building for a while. It seems like most of these perps have a history of internal emotional and/or mental problems that, in some cases, have been below the radar.

[10EC_Dad]

Brianna has a website now.

http://www.briannadenison.com/


Thanks for the link!

[SuziQ]

I think this guy has been "sick" for a long time. There may be a catalyst to his most recent behavior, but this has been building for a while. It seems like most of these perps have a history of internal emotional and/or mental problems that, in some cases, have been below the radar.

I agree. I think this guy is way under the radar, and appears very very normal. Of course I could be wrong.

[10EC_Dad]

Can someone remind me why the FBI is involved?

[SuziQ]

Can someone remind me why the FBI is involved?

Funny you should ask. I just ran across this:

Within days numerous government agencies joined the search effort with agents from the FBI also loaning their assistance to discover any leads to the where-abouts of a much loved and popular teen.
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/13942957.html

It seems to be the norm these days to offer assistance to local LE.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hey guys, I just found this on nevadasagebrush.com:(http://nevadasagebrush.com/blog/2007/12/16/student-kidnapped-sexually-assaulted/):

The suspect is described as a heavy-set white male about 30 to 40 years old. He has some facial hair and was wearing a Raider’s t-shirt.The suspect vehicle is a dark, single cab truck with cloth seats and an after-market CD player with blue and red lights. It is described as an older truck.

“The victim stated that her keys to her vehicle and residence were taken and that subject may have been prowling in the area days prior to this happening,” according to police.

I don't recall reading in the recent reports that the suspect had taken the woman's keys. I guess that's how he got back into her house during the attempted burglary the weekend Brianna disappeared.Oh, Thank you, Newshound!! I looked looked for this last night!! I knew I had seen it somewhere and thought I posted it here earlier, but I could not find it!

The Raider's logo is what caught my eye on that guy's myspace space because of this report and the mention of the older truck (He had an old Sierra) that his wife was working on...seems she might be the mechanic of the family.

Dimples, did you send that tip in?

[nanandjim]

Interesting. That could be a trigger.
I figure that it could be a trigger in several ways. Maybe, there is a lack of sex. Plus, his wife could be very busy with the baby. Also, he could resent that the baby is getting all of her attention. He is resentful and lashing out at "other" women.

[nanandjim]

Oh, Thank you, Newshound!! I looked looked for this last night!! I knew I had seen it somewhere and thought I posted it here earlier, but I could not find it!

The Raider's logo is what caught my eye on that guy's myspace space because of this report and the mention of the older truck (He had an old Sierra) that his wife was working on...seems she might be the mechanic of the family.

Dimples, did you send that tip in?
Is there a link to the Myspace? If not, could someone send it to me, please??

[SeriouslySearching]

Funny you should ask. I just ran across this:

Within days numerous government agencies joined the search effort with agents from the FBI also loaning their assistance to discover any leads to the where-abouts of a much loved and popular teen.
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/13942957.html

It seems to be the norm these days to offer assistance to local LE.Yes, I think it is because of their crime lab work and various tools at their disposal which local LEs don't have access to. They have to be "invited" into an investigation if there are no other reasons such as an abduction across state lines etc.

[StillHoping]

I've been thinking alot about the December attack. The way it has all been reported makes it sound like the perp sneaked up on the victim, rather than pulled up next to her in a vehicle and got out to "grab her from behind". When the victim awoke, she was in his truck.

I think that's a very important detail. It seems quite obvious that he was on foot when attacking the woman, so he must have had his truck close by. I think he was either stalking this woman, or scavenging the area for an easy victim. Either way, I think this makes it pretty clear this man was in this area for the purpose of the crime. That fits right in with him working or living or having another strong tie to the area.

Also, has anyone considered that the baby shoe was not for his child, or a friend or family members child, but was perhaps something left behind by another victim??? Doubtful that he attacked a child, but possibly a young mother with her child (would be easy to gain control when a woman is worried about her child).

[teacherbonnie]

TY for that link newshound. Victim was choked until she passed out. There goes my ether theory. Taken to an undisclosed location...I thought the assault took place in his truck? Or does that mean he drove to some unknown place?

[nanandjim]

Oh, Thank you, Newshound!! I looked looked for this last night!! I knew I had seen it somewhere and thought I posted it here earlier, but I could not find it!

The Raider's logo is what caught my eye on that guy's myspace space because of this report and the mention of the older truck (He had an old Sierra) that his wife was working on...seems she might be the mechanic of the family.

Dimples, did you send that tip in?
I hope that tip is sent in by someone. This guy seems to fit the bill, to me. He is a partier, even though he has kids and is supposed to be a family man. IMO, he misses his youth and probably hangs out with a younger crowd. In fact, one of his photos mentions about "going back in time to his younger days." His wife just had a baby. When did she have the baby, in relation to when Bree was taken? The wife had the baby sometime in January. They have a truck. He has facial hair (goatee).

[SeriouslySearching]

TY for that link newshound. Victim was choked until she passed out. There goes my ether theory. Taken to an undisclosed location...I thought the assault took place in his truck? Or does that mean he drove to some unknown place?It could mean either one.

[Reannan]

There are several pictures of this bare chested, and he has a lot of hair on his chest, and legs, but very little or none right at the line of his swim trunks or underwear. I bet he 'shaves', because he doesn't appear to have a "landing strip". I agree that this needs to be forwarded to LE. Has anyone done so??? If not, I will be happy to send it via the secretwitness site.

[Rick777]

Do we confirmation that the myspace link was sent to LE yet? It would be awful if we heald on to that and it turns out to be him.

[LionRun]

I've been thinking alot about the December attack. The way it has all been reported makes it sound like the perp sneaked up on the victim, rather than pulled up next to her in a vehicle and got out to "grab her from behind". When the victim awoke, she was in his truck.

I think that's a very important detail. It seems quite obvious that he was on foot when attacking the woman, so he must have had his truck close by. I think he was either stalking this woman, or scavenging the area for an easy victim. Either way, I think this makes it pretty clear this man was in this area for the purpose of the crime. That fits right in with him working or living or having another strong tie to the area.

Also, has anyone considered that the baby shoe was not for his child, or a friend or family members child, but was perhaps something left behind by another victim??? Doubtful that he attacked a child, but possibly a young mother with her child (would be easy to gain control when a woman is worried about her child).

I agree, StillHoping. In fact I cannot get past it. He attacked most likely 3 times within blocks of each other, and this usually means that the person has close ties to a very specific area. This would be opposed to the attacks/attempted attacks or break ins occurring within 2 miles of each other. But, all three were within blocks of each other.

Lion

[SeriouslySearching]

I found the guy's name because his wife put the baby's full name on a friend's myspace page. It should make it easy for LE to track him down at least. : )

[aj1020]

As "messy" as the truck was (with a shoe and papers on the floor) it would seem to me that it's someone's (although not necessarily the perp's) personal vehicle. It's possible that he worked for a garage or shop I suppose and stole/borrowed a customer's truck for this "act" but who knows.

What if it wasn't his vehicle? What if he worked at a station and had the keys to vehicles there that belonged to co-workers and just took that one that night. What if the truck/SUV is just sitting in a lot somewhere close by? I agree he works close by...and lives further away. He peruses this area quite frequently. He works during the day...and trolls at night...just some random thoughts....

[LionRun]

I think I heard this morning on Fox News that the one attack happened in his truck. In fact they reported that this was why she had such a good description of the inside of the truck.

Lion

[aj1020]

Brianna has a website now.

http://www.briannadenison.com/

ETA: lots of photos of Brianna I hadn't seen before. My favorite is the one of her laughing. What a cutie.

Her middle name is Zunino... what a cool middle name. Poor thing. :(

Brianna Zunino DENISON
19 years old

[LionRun]

The truck may have been messy inside, but it wasn't described as such, was it? I recall hearing about papers with typing and a baby shoe, but if that was all that stood out than it doesn't sound like it was necessarily messy. Too bad she couldn't get a look at what was typed on the papers.

Lion

[jennyjwv]

can i see the myspace link - i don't know how to pm?

[Rick777]

I found the guy's name because his wife put the baby's full name on a friend's myspace page. It should make it easy for LE to track him down at least. : )


Yer such the sleuth!

[SeriouslySearching]

I think I heard this morning on Fox News that the one attack happened in his truck. In fact they reported that this was why she had such a good description of the inside of the truck.

LionYes, the attack from Dec. 16th did happen in the truck. For some reason, I thought she was talking about the attack before.

I hope they went thru all the sounds she could recall about that "undisclosed location", how long she estimated it took to get there, the times he stopped, etc. Surely they did tho.

I also wonder how long her attack lasted from the time he took her until the time she returned. This would be critical in determining the location.

[aj1020]

The truck may have been messy inside, but it wasn't described as such, was it? I recall hearing about papers with typing and a baby shoe, but if that was all that stood out than it doesn't sound like it was necessarily messy. Too bad she couldn't get a look at what was typed on the papers.

Lion

I'm not sure about you, but m