Thread No. 23 - General Discussion

[jilly]

Good points, Jilly and Raisincharlie. I'll admit, it was late when I posted that, and had taken a couple of Xanex to take the edge off! My thoughts weren't completely grounded...

No problem NCB:) - I think I need a Xanex too!:D Definitely, something for the old memory would help.:crazy: I'm kicking myself for not keeping a better file on all of this. Fortunately, however, we have posters here with exceptional memories which I can rely on.

[jilly]

Thanks RC. I was noticing while poking around that a few 'cold cases' where a DH disposed of a spouse have recently resulted in arrests. I said it looked like Karma was going down her list and wondered who was next. Mr. Jason, better be looking over his shoulder.

:laugh: cracked me up too with your 'knees' comment. lol

I have personally witnessed Karma at work and it comforts me to know that even if jy is not arrested his life will be full of hardship.

[Just the Fax]

That's true about the receipt in his car. Iirc we had some discussion about this awhile back. What was the date on that receipt? It was Fri Nov 3, wasn't it?
Can't remember now why I was thinking he didn't go back.:banghead:
Did someone say before that he could have got a receipt when he checked in instead of having them put it under the door?

So what time do you think he got back into the room? Hard to believe he'd go back just for a receipt but then again...he probably had planned on getting back there a lot earlier if his first method of kill had been successful. Makes sense to me now. He had no reason at the time of check-in to get a receipt.

Jilly

The SW said it was a 'receipt', not a reservation print-out. Hampton Inn's show date of stay as 'check-in date'...11-2-06.

Looks like he left Raleigh around 5:15 am, arriving back @ HI 7:45 am
Left Hillsville for Clintwood around 8 am, arriving around 10:30 am.

[Just the Fax]

Concerning the hotel room door....

His plan could have included a piece of duct tape to seal the latch. The door would be closed with the "do not disturb" hanger, but not actually locked....his re-entry Friday am would not be recorded.

Per electronic records, the cops may have only one entry on Thursday at 10:40 PM. Therefore it would be impossible to show he returned Friday am to retrieve the receipt he had....His attorney will show he entered the room Thursday night , slept all night before picking up his receipt from the floor Friday am and heading to his appointment.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Concerning the hotel room door....

His plan could have included a piece of duct tape to seal the latch. The door would be closed with the "do not disturb" hanger, but not actually locked....his re-entry Friday am would not be recorded.

Per electronic records, the cops have only one entry on Thursday at 10:40 PM. Therefore it would be impossible to show he returned Friday am to retrieve the receipt he had....His attorney will show he entered the room Thursday night , slept all night before picking up his receipt from the floor Friday am and heading to his appointment.


Really? I had missed that being stated. Has this been published as fact by LE?

[Just the Fax]

Really? I had missed that being stated. Has this been published as fact by LE?

Sorry....I started my post with "His plan could have included....".
The entire scenario I outlined was pure speculation on my part.

(I corrected the original post)

[nanandjim]

Sorry....I started my post with "His plan could have included....".
The entire scenario I outlined was pure speculation on my part.

(I corrected the original post)
Good speculation, though. Jason planned this crime. That would also be taken into consideration. He tried to think of everything. Let's hope that he forgot a thing or two. I hope that he will be brought to justice. I would eventually like to see him brought to trial with everything they do have. I would rather him have to spend Michelle's money on lawyers than to spend it living it up.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Sorry....I started my post with "His plan could have included....".
The entire scenario I outlined was pure speculation on my part.

(I corrected the original post)


Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying! That was just news to me if it had been stated. :crazy:

[sweetmop]

Thanks RC. I was noticing while poking around that a few 'cold cases' where a DH disposed of a spouse have recently resulted in arrests. I said it looked like Karma was going down her list and wondered who was next. Mr. Jason, better be looking over his shoulder.


Hope you're right!!!
We know Karma knows where Jason is living these days!:)

[Niner]

still... {tap, tap, tapping of foot...}
waiting for Justice for Michelle and Chloe.... :( :mad:

but will continue to wait along with the rest of you!

[april4sky]

With such a dreadful murder which left a very bloody crime scene I'm amazed no one has yet been charged with Michelle's murder.

I hope the police are still confident they will be able to arrest and charge her killer soon. :behindbar

Prayers and justice for Michelle.

[raisincharlie]

Birthday wishes to a special little girl this weekend. Cassidy will be 4 years old. Her little brother might have been about a year old now. Sure wish her Mother and baby brother were around to share this event with her.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Birthday wishes to a special little girl this weekend. Cassidy will be 4 years old. Her little brother might have been about a year old now. Sure wish her Mother and baby brother were around to share this event with her.


Very well put, RC.

[curious1]

Birthday wishes to a special little girl this weekend. Cassidy will be 4 years old. Her little brother might have been about a year old now. Sure wish her Mother and baby brother were around to share this event with her.

Aww, that was sweet RC. It is all just so sad. :(

[sweetmop]

:blowkiss: Happy Birthday Cassidy!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[raisincharlie]

:blowkiss: Happy Birthday Cassidy!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

I suspect this birthday has had a few surprises. Hope she enjoyed her brief visit with her maternal Grandmother and Aunt.

[NCBanker]

Jilly

The SW said it was a 'receipt', not a reservation print-out. Hampton Inn's show date of stay as 'check-in date'...11-2-06.

Looks like he left Raleigh around 5:15 am, arriving back @ HI 7:45 am
Left Hillsville for Clintwood around 8 am, arriving around 10:30 am.

Sorry if this has already been discussed and put to rest. I just noticed this statement and have to ask, where has this been established and by whom? Is this a published fact or more of a subjective statement?

[Just the Fax]

Sorry if this has already been discussed and put to rest. I just noticed this statement and have to ask, where has this been established and by whom? Is this a published fact or more of a subjective statement?


100% speculation on my part. JY told friends he has a 10 am appointment and he arrived 30 minutes late. That would put his departure from Hillsville around 8 am.

The time-line leaving Raleigh that am was probably close to 5 am......

[raisincharlie]

Sorry if this has already been discussed and put to rest. I just noticed this statement and have to ask, where has this been established and by whom? Is this a published fact or more of a subjective statement?


If this has been established as fact - the only ones who know it to be fact are LE. LE isn't talking about it.


ETA - neither is jy.

[Just the Fax]

If this has been established as fact - the only ones who know it to be fact are LE. LE isn't talking about it.


ETA - neither is jy.


JY did a lot of talking in the days before the funeral. He did tell his friend he arrived 30 minutes late to his meeting (10:30 am).
Now, we have no idea if he was telling the truth, but it is a fact that is what he said.

[raisincharlie]

JY did a lot of talking in the days before the funeral. He did tell his friend he arrived 30 minutes late to his meeting (10:30 am).
Now, we have no idea if he was telling the truth, but it is a fact that is what he said.

As I said - only LE knows if it is a fact - they aren't talking and neither is jy.

What lies he told his friends are simply that and not worthy of belief or consideration as fact. What he hasn't said speaks more to the truth.

[jilly]

I watched 48 hrs Mystery last nite and they presented a murder case about a college professor Tom Murray who's wife (Carmin) was murdered in Kansas Nov 2003. They had a daughter who was almost 5 at the time.

I thought of Michelle the entire time.

Murray talked to LE for 10 hrs (I think) and he talked his way out of everything. He had small cuts on his hands and bruises on his wrists. In the end they didn't have much against him - only a lot of talk. Didn't find the bloody clothing and never found the murder weapon.

Carmin had left Murray and lived in Lawrence, Kan, 1.5 hrs away from him in Manhattan, Kan. On the day of the murder, Murray was seen at 8:30am when he dropped his daughter off at the babysitters and again around noon when he got her back.

11 months after the murder, the pros decided to take a chance on the CE, however after that decision the DA was voted out of office and the new young DA had never tried a murder case before.:eek: In Kansas, however, the victims are allowed to hire a special prosecutor to help the DA so they did that.

Prosecution was able to show that Murray could drive from his home in Manhattan to Lawrence, have plenty of time to kill Carmin and return home.

There was no DNA found at the scene and this was a brutal stabbing & attempted strangulation. A struggle. The pros showed motive was a previous blow-up at a mediation meeting about custody.

Most powerful forensic evidence was on Murray's computer. Yahoo searchs for "murder for hire" "how to hire an assassin", "how to make a bomb" and "how to murder someone and not get caught". Murray explained that by saying he was thinking about writing a script for CSI. He also sent emails which showed his anger with Carmin - "I'm increasingly coming to feel like an animal that's een backed into a corner."

Defense argued there was a mystery bloodstain on Carmin's sink that suggested someone else was a Carmin's house. Pros attacked def expert saying he didn't have any certification in the area of bloodstain analysis.

Murray was found guilty of 1st deg murder.

If anyone wants to read this it's here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/12/48hours/main694835.shtml

After seeing this, I believe that the Pros will eventually try jason young. I think if there was anything on jy's computer he would have been charged by now. I think he probably went to the library to do his searching.:mad: I'm wondering what he said to Michelle Money in his emails and I'm wondering what Michelle Young said to her therapist. I'm curious about any marks jason had when he had to submit to the NTO. Of course that was about 5 days after the murder so who knows if he'd healed.

Anyways...this guy Murray only had 3.5 hrs to drive to his wife, commit the murder and get back home. The drive itself was 3 hrs. jason had the whole nite.

[Just the Fax]

As I said - only LE knows if it is a fact - they aren't talking and neither is jy.

What lies he told his friends are simply that and not worthy of belief or consideration as fact. What he hasn't said speaks more to the truth.

Why would he tell them he arrived 30 minutes late if he did not ?
His words were few and he had no reason to lie about this revelation .
IMO, I do think he was late and knew that would come out as fact very soon (if the administrator leaked). He told his buds he got lost to cover the extra time he was in Raleigh.

[raisincharlie]

Why would he tell them he arrived 30 minutes late if he did not ?
His words were few and he had no reason to lie about this revelation .
IMO, I do think he was late and knew that would come out as fact very soon (if the administrator leaked). He told his buds he got lost to cover the extra time he was in Raleigh.

Same reason he didn't tell them where that meeting was and the simple fact that he was only 2.5 hours from his home. CYA.

[Just the Fax]

Same reason he didn't tell them where that meeting was and the simple fact that he was only 2.5 hours from his home. CYA.

Oh, but he told them where the hotel was.....It was immediately established he was only 2.5 hours from Raleigh....

[raisincharlie]

Oh, but he told them where the hotel was.....It was immediately established he was only 2.5 hours from Raleigh....

Who cares really ? I don't care what he told who. I care that he hasn't bothered to tell LE. I can tell you something right now and by the time you tell 10 people - it will be something I never told you.

I don't care what he told or who he told - he has not told LE anything and right now they are the only ones who matter. Friends and family will hear what they want to hear.

[Just the Fax]

Who cares really ? I don't care what he told who. I care that he hasn't bothered to tell LE. I can tell you something right now and by the time you tell 10 people - it will be something I never told you.

I don't care what he told or who he told - he has not told LE anything and right now they are the only ones who matter. Friends and family will hear what they want to hear.

Well, it is quite apparent YOU don't care. Maybe some of the other readers think what I post is valid and find this time-line credible.
Leave it up to them to decide "who cares".

By the way raisincharlie, I am NOT reporting what someone told "10 people". I am reporting what Jason Young told 2 people direct and those same people told me. Like I said before, there is no reason to lie about this story, as it certainly does not help his cause.

[NCBanker]

Well, it is quite apparent YOU don't care. Maybe some of the other readers think what I post is valid and find this time-line credible.
Leave it up to them to decide "who cares".

By the way raisincharlie, I am NOT reporting what someone told "10 people". I am reporting what Jason Young told 2 people direct and those same people told me. Like I said before, there is no reason to lie about this story, as it certainly does not help his cause.

OK Kids - let's play nice in the sandbox... :crazy:

[raisincharlie]

Well, it is quite apparent YOU don't care. Maybe some of the other readers think what I post is valid and find this time-line credible.
Leave it up to them to decide "who cares".

By the way raisincharlie, I am NOT reporting what someone told "10 people". I am reporting what Jason Young told 2 people direct and those same people told me. Like I said before, there is no reason to lie about this story, as it certainly does not help his cause.

You need to quit taking things personal, it skews one's ability to perceive the point being made. Its not about you. Sorry YOU can't figure that part out.

My point was very simple and spoken from my perspective alone - it does not matter what JY told anyone or when he did so, friends, family, or foes. What he told people was self serving and would be found out regardless - so on this point I will agree.

What also matters, even more, is what he didn't tell, and refuses to tell LE. For example, he hasn't bothered to tell anyone he murdered his wife and son. This IMO speaks much louder than what he has bothered to say to 2 people directly who then reported to you. So we are clear, this is my opinion and not subject to approval.

[pack_fan]

Hey Fax,

You been spreading my posts around without asking?

You should be ashamed!

ETA:

My husband wouldn't be happy.....

[Just the Fax]

You need to quit taking things personal, it skews one's ability to perceive the point being made. Its not about you. Sorry YOU can't figure that part out.

My point was very simple and spoken from my perspective alone - it does not matter what JY told anyone or when he did so, friends, family, or foes. What he told people was self serving and would be found out regardless - so on this point I will agree.

What also matters, even more, is what he didn't tell, and refuses to tell LE. For example, he hasn't bothered to tell anyone he murdered his wife and son. This IMO speaks much louder than what he has bothered to say to 2 people directly who then reported to you. So we are clear, this is my opinion and not subject to approval.


Well here is my perspective. LE has told us very little about anything they know. Posting info from people close to the couple is intriguing and spurs further discussion. Unlike you, I don't dismiss what JY said to friends as pointless, simply because it may or may not be self serving.
Yes RC, we know quite well that it is a huge problem he has not spoken to LE....what he didn't tell, as you put it. So we are clear, I will continue to post my opinions as well as info I have heard from people close to the case.....I too am not looking for anyone's approval. :)

[Just the Fax]

Hey Fax,

You been spreading my posts around without asking?

You should be ashamed!

ETA:

My husband wouldn't be happy.....

Hey Pack,

So just where did you see that I spread your posts around :waitasec:

Hmmm

[nanandjim]

Well here is my perspective. LE has told us very little about anything they know. Posting info from people close to the couple is intriguing and spurs further discussion. Unlike you, I don't dismiss what JY said to friends as pointless, simply because it may or may not be self serving.
Yes RC, we know quite well that it is a huge problem he has not spoken to LE....what he didn't tell, as you put it. So we are clear, I will continue to post my opinions as well as info I have heard from people close to the case.....I too am not looking for anyone's approval. :)
If Jason indeed went to a meeting, I believe that he probably was running late. I think that it took longer to murder Michelle and made him run late on everything. The murderous coward assumed that he could sneak in on his pregnant wife in the dead of night and strangle her to death and be done with it. Instead, she awoke and fought fiercely for her life and for the life of her son. There was a fierce struggle. Now, there's a big mess and lots of forensic evidence that Jason has to meticulously destroy.

IMO, Jason only told his friends about being late because he was worried about this fact. He knew that LE would find out and he was just saying it outloud to someone as if testing the waters to see what they would say. He was probably hoping they would unwittingly give him some ideas for a plausible excuse.

[curious1]

I agree and I think what he told his friends and family is important. I think it might give some insight into what he was thinking and what he may have thought he needed to cover for or provide a plausible excuse for. It seems silly to me to discount anything the main POI has said to anyone during this time.

[raisincharlie]

Well here is my perspective. LE has told us very little about anything they know. Posting info from people close to the couple is intriguing and spurs further discussion. Unlike you, I don't dismiss what JY said to friends as pointless, simply because it may or may not be self serving.
Yes RC, we know quite well that it is a huge problem he has not spoken to LE....what he didn't tell, as you put it. So we are clear, I will continue to post my opinions as well as info I have heard from people close to the case.....I too am not looking for anyone's approval. :)

Glad you cleared that up. Was beginning to think opinions, differing perspectives, and questions were no longer allowed.

Pointless is your term, not mine. I've discounted or dismissed nothing. However I do have more than a few clues about what is real and what is not. You might want to ask your reporting buds about little resorts Jy liked to frequent. Then again, if Jy was in cya mode, there may be one in particular he didn't tell about.

[Just the Fax]

Glad you cleared that up. Was beginning to think opinions, differing perspectives, and questions were no longer allowed.

Pointless is your term, not mine. I've discounted or dismissed nothing. However I do have more than a few clues about what is real and what is not. You might want to ask your reporting buds about little resorts Jy liked to frequent. Then again, if Jy was in cya mode, there may be one in particular he didn't tell about.

Sounds like you need to be a little more specific with your clues if you want me to ask my buds.

No offense RC, but you sound a bit like ol Jake with his riddles.:D

[raisincharlie]

Sounds like you need to be a little more specific with your clues if you want me to ask my buds.

No offense RC, but you sound a bit like ol Jake with his riddles.:D


Sorry you don't understand. Quess you don't know. No problem.

[Just the Fax]

Sorry you don't understand. Quess you don't know. No problem.

Guess not. Who really cares ?

[curious1]

Glad you cleared that up. Was beginning to think opinions, differing perspectives, and questions were no longer allowed.

Pointless is your term, not mine. I've discounted or dismissed nothing. However I do have more than a few clues about what is real and what is not. You might want to ask your reporting buds about little resorts Jy liked to frequent. Then again, if Jy was in cya mode, there may be one in particular he didn't tell about.


Just curious how you know what 'is real and not real'. It's always fascinating to hear from people who actually know a POI or the LE involved in the investigations.

[raisincharlie]

Just curious how you know what 'is real and not real'. It's always fascinating to hear from people who actually know a POI or the LE involved in the investigations.

I like hearing from such individuals as well. The more the better. Consistencies go a very long way in reaching a conclusion. What is real and what isn't - easy , read warrants and documents related to the case. If you are assuming I disregard such individuals, your assumption is wrong. I have listened to several and by listening I have learned consistencies and inconsistencies. Sometimes a messenger embellishes things - listening to those actually closely associated allows one to disregard the embellishment. Therein lies the definition of real and not real.

[curious1]

Oh okay, sorry, I got the impression you might have known the POI or others involved personally.

I'll take a look at the documents you mentioned. They usually make for a good read once you learn some of the 'technical terms'.

[raisincharlie]

Oh okay, sorry, I got the impression you might have known the POI or others involved personally.

I'll take a look at the documents you mentioned. They usually make for a good read once you learn some of the 'technical terms'.

No, I do not know the POI personally, nor do I know anyone directly involved. Sorry if I lead you to believe I did. The media links thread above has many of the articles which contain links to the warrants if that will help you. "Technical terms" :) yes.

[citygirl]

Glad you cleared that up. Was beginning to think opinions, differing perspectives, and questions were no longer allowed.

Pointless is your term, not mine. I've discounted or dismissed nothing. However I do have more than a few clues about what is real and what is not. You might want to ask your reporting buds about little resorts Jy liked to frequent. Then again, if Jy was in cya mode, there may be one in particular he didn't tell about.

Little resorts that he liked to frequent ? Whoa . I thought I had paid close attention to the pearls in this case but you've got me stumped and have most definitely piqued my interest . I'm encouraged that the LE has one more thing to consider in the hopes of nailing this down. Man, this is taking long ! Nice to see you, Charlie.

[raisincharlie]

Little resorts that he liked to frequent ? Whoa . I thought I had paid close attention to the pearls in this case but you've got me stumped and have most definitely piqued my interest . I'm encouraged that the LE has one more thing to consider in the hopes of nailing this down. Man, this is taking long ! Nice to see you, Charlie.

Nice to see you as well Citygirl ! Nothing new there, just wondering since this was discussed early on if jy ever told his buddies about all of his gambling excursions and the outcomes. Wish there was something new on the case - maybe soon.:)

[citygirl]

Nice to see you as well Citygirl ! Nothing new there, just wondering since this was discussed early on if jy ever told his buddies about all of his gambling excursions and the outcomes. Wish there was something new on the case - maybe soon.:)

Hopefully, sooner than later. A few weeks back Scout posed a question as to JY's whereabouts the weekend before the murder. No one seemed to have an answer. Sure hope LE knows if it has any bearing on the case.

[happy2bn10ec]

Nice to see you as well Citygirl ! Nothing new there, just wondering since this was discussed early on if jy ever told his buddies about all of his gambling excursions and the outcomes. Wish there was something new on the case - maybe soon.:)

I know you are talking about previous gambling trips, but just fyi, Brevard is a mere 67 miles from Cherokee -

https://www.harrahs.com/casinos/harrahs-cherokee/hotel-casino/property-home.shtml

[raisincharlie]

I know you are talking about previous gambling trips, but just fyi, Brevard is a mere 67 miles from Cherokee -

https://www.harrahs.com/casinos/harrahs-cherokee/hotel-casino/property-home.shtml


Thank you ! Appreciate the information very much. I see your Lady Vols are final four bound again - good luck to them ! :)

[happy2bn10ec]

Thank you ! Appreciate the information very much. I see your Lady Vols are final four bound again - good luck to them ! :)

Thanks for remembering that, RC! Did you happen to catch the game Tuesday night? Candace Parker dislocated her shoulder TWICE in the same game and finished playing! They just barely squeaked by, but they are tough.

[raisincharlie]

Thanks for remembering that, RC! Did you happen to catch the game Tuesday night? Candace Parker dislocated her shoulder TWICE in the same game and finished playing! They just barely squeaked by, but they are tough.

I was listening to it - think I'm glad I didn't see it! Yes they are doing great - since this is CP3's last year - I suspect she is on a mission. I'm pulling for them !

[sweetmop]

I just realized that today marks the 17 month anniversary of Michelle's brutal murder.

17 months!
I just can't imagine how Linda Fisher must feel, can you?

I continue to have faith in LE's persistance in this case and pray there's an arrest soon!

[Taximom]

Yep. 17 long months. :(

[Niner]

My gosh...!! :waitasec: WHAT is taking so long on this case... ?? anyone living close to there - have you heard anything 'new'??

I want a headline thread saying:

JASON ARRESTED!!!

:woohoo:

TIA! :blowkiss:

[jilly]

My gosh...!! :waitasec: WHAT is taking so long on this case... ?? anyone living close to there - have you heard anything 'new'??

I want a headline thread saying:

JASON ARRESTED!!!

:woohoo:

TIA! :blowkiss:

Hi Niner!:) I don't live close but think it's going to be awhile yet. A new team is looking at the case and it looks like they started at square one. LE once said they were confident this case would be solved and I have to bank on that! I wish it was sooner than later but I was a solid case as well. Don't worry. When the arrest happens it'll be just as you wish for - BIG BLOCK LETTERS!

[raisincharlie]

If anyone was watching tonights WRAL webcast, a short blurb - the Birchleaf house has been sold. Quick reference - I don't see a link up yet but I think you can watch the last newscast on the web still.

[Taximom]

Well, God bless the new owners. Thanks for the update, RC. :blowkiss:

[jilly]

If anyone was watching tonights WRAL webcast, a short blurb - the Birchleaf house has been sold. Quick reference - I don't see a link up yet but I think you can watch the last newscast on the web still.

I'll take your word for it RC. :)
At least we know jy won't be getting much (if anything) out of it!
Strikes a sad note with me just the same. It was Michelle's dream home. There were supposed to be two happy little toddlers running around in it!:(

[nanandjim]

I'll take your word for it RC. :)
At least we know jy won't be getting much (if anything) out of it!
Strikes a sad note with me just the same. It was Michelle's dream home. There were supposed to be two happy little toddlers running around in it!:(
What did they pay for it; and what did it sell for? I hope that it was at a loss; and he has to pay out of pocket for it...

I found this listing for $389k down from $424k. I wonder what it sold for...

http://www.ysuhomes.com/idx/search/details.aspx?key=7A417598-002F-414F-ACE6-22F31EF58893&method=trulia

[sweetmop]

I can't believe someone bought the house.
Wonder if they are aware that a murder occurred there in the master BR?

I agree with jilly, it's another sad chapter of this vicious crime.
Michelle loved that house.
Cassidy loved that house.
It's very sad that Michelle isn't there sunning in the yard, playing with her 2 little ones

[Just the Fax]

I can't believe someone bought the house.
Wonder if they are aware that a murder occurred there in the master BR?

I agree with jilly, it's another sad chapter of this vicious crime.
Michelle loved that house.
Cassidy loved that house.
It's very sad that Michelle isn't there sunning in the yard, playing with her 2 little ones

These poor people will forever be the talk of Enchanted Oaks. At the pool party they will be referred to as "the morons that finally bought the Young house". I can't imagine they are now aware their master bedroom was the scene of a horrific murder and photos of the house will be shown on news clips for years to come.

[Just the Fax]

I was told today the house sale is not a done deal

"there is a contract ,but have not worked everything out."

[curious1]

I'll take your word for it RC. :)
At least we know jy won't be getting much (if anything) out of it!
Strikes a sad note with me just the same. It was Michelle's dream home. There were supposed to be two happy little toddlers running around in it!:(

Maybe there will be two happy toddlers running around in it, if not now, down the road. Can't think of a more fitting tribute.

[NCBanker]

Maybe there will be two happy toddlers running around in it, if not now, down the road. Can't think of a more fitting tribute.

That's a really sweet thought. I completely agree.

We're looking for a home of similar size right now, but I just couldn't bring myself to ever consider that one, no matter how good a deal I could get on it. I'd always be reminded of that heinous, brutal crime and that poor baby tracking bloody footprints all over the house. It breaks my heart to think about it.

I think realtors have to disclose the fact that someone was murdered/that it was a crimescene (not completely sure on that, but it seems like I heard that a few times in the past). I would imagine/hope the buyers are from out of town and not familiar with the details of the crime.

[concernedperson]

That's a really sweet thought. I completely agree.

We're looking for a home of similar size right now, but I just couldn't bring myself to ever consider that one, no matter how good a deal I could get on it. I'd always be reminded of that heinous, brutal crime and that poor baby tracking bloody footprints all over the house. It breaks my heart to think about it.

I think realtors have to disclose the fact that someone was murdered/that it was a crimescene (not completely sure on that, but it seems like I heard that a few times in the past). I would imagine/hope the buyers are from out of town and not familiar with the details of the crime.

Yes, most realtors would have to disclose that a murder occurred. This would affect resale so hopefully the new owners had their own agent to guide them vs relying totally on someone else.

[jilly]

Maybe there will be two happy toddlers running around in it, if not now, down the road. Can't think of a more fitting tribute.

My point was that it was supposed to be Michelle in her dream home with her two toddlers. I don't really care about who moves in.

[Just the Fax]

Yes, most realtors would have to disclose that a murder occurred. This would affect resale so hopefully the new owners had their own agent to guide them vs relying totally on someone else.


Local real estate experts told WRAL there is no law requiring sellers to disclose information about crimes that might have occurred in homes up for sale.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1567666/

[concernedperson]

Local real estate experts told WRAL there is no law requiring sellers to disclose information about crimes that might have occurred in homes up for sale.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1567666/


This is what I hope has happened otherwise it is unfair to the new owners.


However, Sara Matyiko, a real estate agent with RE/MAX United in North Raleigh, said that a buyer's agent – a real estate agent hired by a prospective homeowner – is obliged to find out as much as possible about a property and share it with clients.

[NCBanker]

Local real estate experts told WRAL there is no law requiring sellers to disclose information about crimes that might have occurred in homes up for sale.


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1567666/



Good work, Just the Fax. I appreciate you verifying that. I always wondered. It's kind of a perpetuated myth that I've heard for years...

[happy2bn10ec]

Not about this case, but an interesting anyway for comparison.


http://www.poststar.com/articles/2007/05/29/ae/today/0b1a8579150dc9f5852572e90078f4c3.txt

[jilly]

Not about this case, but an interesting anyway for comparison.


http://www.poststar.com/articles/2007/05/29/ae/today/0b1a8579150dc9f5852572e90078f4c3.txt

Yeah...really. Who would think to ask if there had been a murder in the house...... Come to think of it....probably just us posters here at WS!
I feel bad for these people.
I have to say when I went house hunting 25 yrs ago, I looked at about 20 houses. In each house (and it might sound silly) but I would get good or bad vibes. Must have worked because we're still in the same house.:)

Thanks for the link happy.

[NCBanker]

If anyone was watching tonights WRAL webcast, a short blurb - the Birchleaf house has been sold. Quick reference - I don't see a link up yet but I think you can watch the last newscast on the web still.

As of today, the house is still listed in MLS. If it had gone under contract, it wouldn't be listed. Guess the deal fell through...

OR

It's sold with a contingency... (that the buyer has to sell their house first, etc.) and it's still listed in case some other sap comes forward without a contingency...

[raisincharlie]

As of today, the house is still listed in MLS. If it had gone under contract, it wouldn't be listed. Guess the deal fell through...

OR

It's sold with a contingency... (that the buyer has to sell their house first, etc.) and it's still listed in case some other sap comes forward without a contingency...

Thanks for the update NCBanker - anyones guess at this point I suppose. Aprreciate the info.

[sweetmop]

As of today, the house is still listed in MLS. If it had gone under contract, it wouldn't be listed. Guess the deal fell through...

OR

It's sold with a contingency... (that the buyer has to sell their house first, etc.) and it's still listed in case some other sap comes forward without a contingency...

Such a beautiful house. And with such a sad history.
I wonder if the prospective buyers got " cold feet ".

Thank you for the update, NCBanker.

[Just the Fax]

As of today, the house is still listed in MLS. If it had gone under contract, it wouldn't be listed. Guess the deal fell through...

OR

It's sold with a contingency... (that the buyer has to sell their house first, etc.) and it's still listed in case some other sap comes forward without a contingency...

There is a contingent offer on the house.

[Just the Fax]

There is a contingent offer on the house.

OK, just found out more .
The house is tentatively scheduled to close 4-30-08....but they are taking backup offers because there are some undisclosed "issues".

There is no contingency

[jilly]

OK, just found out more .
The house is tentatively scheduled to close 4-30-08....but they are taking backup offers because there are some undisclosed "issues".

There is no contingency

Thanks for keeping us up to date. Interesting.

[whitywendy]

I live close to the area this happened at and I have not heard anything on the news in regards to this murder. I have located more info here at WS than the local papers around here. Thank you all for the updates and I truly hope that justice is served soon for that beautiful lady and her babies.

[jilly]

I live close to the area this happened at and I have not heard anything on the news in regards to this murder. I have located more info here at WS than the local papers around here. Thank you all for the updates and I truly hope that justice is served soon for that beautiful lady and her babies.

That is sad to hear whitywendy especially when the murder first occured, it made People Magazine. Since then, I do believe that some reporters have been threatened with lawsuits.
I suppose when they arrest the killer, the media will be all over it. I can't wait for the day.

Thanks for joining us!:)

[fran]

This is why so many of these cases go unsolved and the perp gets away with M U R D E R!!!!!!!

I can't even count the number of cases I've seen in the past few years, that remain unsolved, although EVERYONE KNOWS, (in their heart) who did the DEED!!!!!!

Sad, really.:(

JMHO
fran

[whitywendy]

And that is why it keeps continuing to happen, too. IMO of course.

The last I read I think they had searched the homes of her husband's family including where he and the little girl lived. Anything come of those searches?

[Just the Fax]

This is why so many of these cases go unsolved and the perp gets away with M U R D E R!!!!!!!

I can't even count the number of cases I've seen in the past few years, that remain unsolved, although EVERYONE KNOWS, (in their heart) who did the DEED!!!!!!

Sad, really.:(

JMHO
fran


The cops and the public obviously know who did it. I think they already have enough CE for an indictment and trial. However, the DA really wants to somehow place him at the scene for a solid case. How long do they wait for that break ?

[Pocono Sleuther]

I'd feel much better if there were some forward action. I'm frustrated with so many cases right now. Seems we're waiting and waiting meanwhile more men are killing wives/lovers.

[whitywendy]

The cops and the public obviously know who did it. I think they already have enough CE for an indictment and trial. However, the DA really wants to somehow place him at the scene for a solid case. How long do they wait for that break ?

The slowness and lack of info seems to be the norm of things here in NC. Every time a news story breaks you might get a tiny bit of info and not find anything for months or even years. Like okay lets pretend it didn't happen IMO. I wonder if it is part of the protocol to be in NC Law enforcement. :waitasec::crazy:

[strach304]

I'd feel much better if there were some forward action. I'm frustrated with so many cases right now. Seems we're waiting and waiting meanwhile more men are killing wives/lovers.

The unsolved cases just seem to keep piling up don't they? Not just the murdered wives and girlfriends either. Another thing too where that cop was just recently arrested for hiring a hitman to kill his wife at the CVS has been released for lack of evidence. Then we have all the unsolved cases of murdered or missing children. It's so overwhelming that when one is solved you believe in miracles and are grateful beyond belief.

[jilly]

It's getting harder and harder to charge someone because there's too much info out there now. When we have a court case we learn minute details of cell phone towers, internet hard drive, dna and on and on. It's getting easier to commit crimes and get away with it!:furious:

[concernedperson]

It's getting harder and harder to charge someone because there's too much info out there now. When we have a court case we learn minute details of cell phone towers, internet hard drive, dna and on and on. It's getting easier to commit crimes and get away with it!:furious:

I wish I didn't agree with you but the burden to prove the crime is at an all time high. We have seen some of the lamest excuses around. But, that doesn't change the facts for prosecutors. The prosecutors must have a special place in heaven reserved for them.

[Just the Fax]

I wish I didn't agree with you but the burden to prove the crime is at an all time high. We have seen some of the lamest excuses around. But, that doesn't change the facts for prosecutors. The prosecutors must have a special place in heaven reserved for them.

Speaking of prosecutors, NC is dead last in the country for Ass. DA salaries. 3 years of expensive law school and the Bar exam nets them only
$39,000 to start in NC :eek:

No wonder most cross to the dark side after a few years.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/2776405/

[j2mirish]

Speaking of prosecutors, NC is dead last in the country for Ass. DA salaries. 3 years of expensive law school and the Bar exam nets them only
$39,000 to start in NC :eek:

No wonder most cross to the dark side after a few years.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/2776405/
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[whitywendy]

Speaking of prosecutors, NC is dead last in the country for Ass. DA salaries. 3 years of expensive law school and the Bar exam nets them only
$39,000 to start in NC :eek:

No wonder most cross to the dark side after a few years.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/2776405/

Sad but true. Now it might be a little higher in the Raleigh/Durham area and Charlotte area but the majority of the people who live in the state are under-payed.....:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: including ME.

[Pocono Sleuther]

WOW! I can't believe that's the starting salary!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Saint]

in honor of michelle's memory, a group of her friends have organized an event
called the Ladybug Liftoff.

it will be at Lake Benson, Shelter 3 in Garner, NC (near raleigh) on Saturday
May 10th 1-5pm.

at 2pm, a huge flock of ladybugs will be released into flight.

there will games, face painting, prizes and costumed characters.

please this website for details:

http://www.members.shaw.ca/ladybug_release/

[jilly]

Oh WOW!! This sounds like so much fun and fabulous for people to organize this! I hope they get a large turnout (with lots of media)! I wish I lived there because I'd sure go!
Thanks Saint for posting this!:)

[The Saint]

Speaking of prosecutors, NC is dead last in the country for Ass. DA salaries. 3 years of expensive law school and the Bar exam nets them only
$39,000 to start in NC :eek:

No wonder most cross to the dark side after a few years.

http://www.ncwanted.com/ncwanted_home/story/2776405/

obviously the aren't motivated by going after a high job salary.
they are a breed apart; they seek justice for those who have been wronged.

i salute them.

[The Saint]

they will be paying off student loans FOREVER

[Just the Fax]

The buyers of the house backed out before closing.
After nearly a year on the market , another $10,000 price drop :boohoo:

First listed at $424,900, price reduced to $409,900, price further reduced to $399,000, then $389,000..now $379,000
http://www.ysuhomes.com/idx/search/details.aspx?key=32DD31D1-3991-48EA-9831-6D3DCEAC2ECE&showimages=True&numberperpage=10&street=birchleaf&orderbyfield=price&orderbydirection=asc&currentpage=1&trans=residential

[nanandjim]

The buyers of the house backed out before closing.
After nearly a year on the market , another $10,000 price drop :boohoo:

First listed at $424,900, price reduced to $409,900, price further reduced to $399,000, then $389,000..now $379,000
http://www.ysuhomes.com/idx/search/details.aspx?key=32DD31D1-3991-48EA-9831-6D3DCEAC2ECE&showimages=True&numberperpage=10&street=birchleaf&orderbyfield=price&orderbydirection=asc&currentpage=1&trans=residential

How much did they pay for the house and when did they buy it? The market is really bad, even for the best homes, without any history as this one.

[j2mirish]

The buyers of the house backed out before closing.
After nearly a year on the market , another $10,000 price drop :boohoo:

First listed at $424,900, price reduced to $409,900, price further reduced to $399,000, then $389,000..now $379,000
http://www.ysuhomes.com/idx/search/details.aspx?key=32DD31D1-3991-48EA-9831-6D3DCEAC2ECE&showimages=True&numberperpage=10&street=birchleaf&orderbyfield=price&orderbydirection=asc&currentpage=1&trans=residential

tooo bad for Jason- HUH ? :boohoo:
:crazy::crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[concernedperson]

tooo bad for Jason- HUH ? :boohoo:
:crazy::crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

I think it is going to get worse for Jason IMO. Also, the housing market is really bad as most of us know.

[Just the Fax]

I think it is going to get worse for Jason IMO. Also, the housing market is really bad as most of us know.

A lot of wasted cash spent on a house that has sat empty for 18 months.
....$45,000 +/- in mortgage payments + a $40,000 price drop :dance:

[jilly]

A lot of wasted cash spent on a house that has sat empty for 18 months.
....$45,000 +/- in mortgage payments + a $40,000 price drop :dance:

Good. It's all part of Karma. Thanks again for the updates.

Wonder why he didn't let it go into foreclosure. He wasn't going to get much out of the first asking price anyways, was he? Did you see Nan's question? Do you know what they paid for it?

[Just the Fax]

Good. It's all part of Karma. Thanks again for the updates.

Wonder why he didn't let it go into foreclosure. He wasn't going to get much out of the first asking price anyways, was he? Did you see Nan's question? Do you know what they paid for it?
They paid $379,000 5-20-05. It was mortgaged at $365k with both a first and 2nd. This was a mere 1 1/2 years before the murder. Obviously this purchase was a stretch at the time since they needed a 2nd mortgage to cover the downpayment. I think financial pressures began to mount very quickly and he concocted his first plan to kill her after Christmas of 2005, insisting on the $1mm / $2mm life insurance before the 5/06 river wreck.

[jilly]

They paid $379,000 5-20-05. It was mortgaged at $365k with both a first and 2nd. This was a mere 1 1/2 years before the murder. Obviously this purchase was a stretch at the time since they needed a 2nd mortgage to cover the downpayment. I think financial pressures began to mount very quickly and he concocted his first plan to kill her after Christmas of 2005, insisting on the $1mm / $2mm life insurance before the 5/06 river wreck.

Thank you! I've made a note of this so I don't have to ask you again.:)Thanks for being so patient with us.
Yeah, I think the financial pressure was on him the day he signed those mortgage papers. Cassidy would have just turned one. And it doesn't sound like they curbed expenses when they bought the house.
Probably one reason why he took his family to Ca - just said to heck with it!

[sweetmop]

http://wral.com/news/local/video/2864483/

Video of Linda and Meredith from Saturday's memorial to Michelle.

Justice for Michelle and Rylan


http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-05-10-0007.html
From NBC 17, Raleigh NC Donnie Harrison attended the event, but Jason and Cassidy weren't there!

[jilly]

http://wral.com/news/local/video/2864483/

Video of Linda and Meredith from Saturday's memorial to Michelle.

Justice for Michelle and Rylan


http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-05-10-0007.html
From NBC 17, Raleigh NC Donnie Harrison attended the event, but Jason and Cassidy weren't there!

Thanks Sweet! I saw the photos which Scout posted. Can't get over Meredith. She looks absolutely fabulous and it was good to see Linda (God Bless Her) able to smile more today. I'm so happy that she had the support of LE there.

[concernedperson]

Thanks sweetmop for the links. Michelle's family loves her so much and it is apparent. I hope there is justice for Michelle soon as well as her family.

[Taximom]

Thanks, sweetmop!

I can't believe WRAL didn't mention that Jason and Cassidy weren't there. :mad:

Linda and Meredith both look beautiful and I pray they get justice for Michelle very soon. Seeing those pictures of Michelle with Cassidy got the tears going here. I feel so sorry for Cassidy because who knows what she remembers of her sweet mommy by now.

[Taximom]

From the NBC17 link:
"The one that I love most was when I was at her grave. We had an angel there, and a ladybug came and just sat on the angel's head," said Linda Fisher, Michelle's mother. "And I thought, you know, she's there. She's with us. And it feels good."

[LillyRush]

http://wral.com/news/local/video/2864483/

Video of Linda and Meredith from Saturday's memorial to Michelle.

Justice for Michelle and Rylan


http://www.nbc17.com/midatlantic/ncn/news.apx.-content-articles-NCN-2008-05-10-0007.html
From NBC 17, Raleigh NC Donnie Harrison attended the event, but Jason and Cassidy weren't there!

Why is Cassidy's face blurred out in that picture? Did they just do that?

[Just the Fax]

Why is Cassidy's face blurred out in that picture? Did they just do that?

They did that way back in early 2007 with an earlier article.
I am not sure why they continue to show that, as their video has numerous shots of Cassidy taken from her still shots at the event :waitasec:

[nanandjim]

They paid $379,000 5-20-05. It was mortgaged at $365k with both a first and 2nd. This was a mere 1 1/2 years before the murder. Obviously this purchase was a stretch at the time since they needed a 2nd mortgage to cover the downpayment. I think financial pressures began to mount very quickly and he concocted his first plan to kill her after Christmas of 2005, insisting on the $1mm / $2mm life insurance before the 5/06 river wreck.
Yep. They were way over their heads. I wonder if Jason talked Michelle into buying such an expensive home at such a young age. Didn't they realize that you have to work your way up to that house? Plus, his spending was out of control. Did he ever hold down a steady job? After that first attempt, I would have dropped the life insurance on myself like a hot potato. Heck, my husband refuses to get life insurance now and sleeps with one eye open. ;) He says that I am too interested in crime... :o

Why didn't Jason use Michelle's 401k money to pay off the home? Did he just blow that money? How about her life insurance money? Did he get it? I hope not.

[Just the Fax]

Yep. They were way over their heads. I wonder if Jason talked Michelle into buying such an expensive home at such a young age. Didn't they realize that you have to work your way up to that house? Plus, his spending was out of control. Did he ever hold down a steady job? After that first attempt, I would have dropped the life insurance on myself like a hot potato. Heck, my husband refuses to get life insurance now and sleeps with one eye open. ;) He says that I am too interested in crime... :o

Why didn't Jason use Michelle's 401k money to pay off the home? Did he just blow that money? How about her life insurance money? Did he get it? I hope not.

I understand her 401k was only +/- $25,000.
If he cashed out, it would be subject to a 10% penalty and income taxes. leaving < $16,000. Remember, he paid >$40,000 in mortgage payments on that empty house over the last 18 months :bang:

[Just the Fax]

The house is under firm contract , set to close 5-30-08.
When the first deal fell, the price was dropped another $10k and finally grabbed by an unsuspecting couple from California (rumor).

We'll know in a couple of weeks how much $ he had to bring to closing to unload the house.

[jilly]

The house is under firm contract , set to close 5-30-08.
When the first deal fell, the price was dropped another $10k and finally grabbed by an unsuspecting couple from California (rumor).

We'll know in a couple of weeks how much $ he had to bring to closing to unload the house.

:confused:Sorry, but I don't understand this statement.

[Just the Fax]

:confused:Sorry, but I don't understand this statement.
After realtor fees, he has no equity in the house....he will need to write a check at closing for the shortage.

[jilly]

After realtor fees, he has no equity in the house....he will need to write a check at closing for the shortage.

Oh my goodness! I had no idea it worked this way. Thank you.:)

[nanandjim]

Does anyone know if he has collected life insurance money or if he has requested it? Is it being held? I hope so. I definitely do not want him benefiting from this murder.

[jilly]

Does anyone know if he has collected life insurance money or if he has requested it? Is it being held? I hope so. I definitely do not want him benefiting from this murder.

Nan, I think I remember reading somewhere that he has collected the 401K which was about $25k. I don't believe he has applied for the LI.

[concernedperson]

Nan, I think I remember reading somewhere that he has collected the 401K which was about $25k. I don't believe he has applied for the LI.

That is interesting. Could be the SOL is preventing him from collecting her life insurance policy until a perp is named in her murder. And, it is murder. I am actually surprised that he collected on her 401K given the circumstances of the crime.

[nanandjim]

That is interesting. Could be the SOL is preventing him from collecting her life insurance policy until a perp is named in her murder. And, it is murder. I am actually surprised that he collected on her 401K given the circumstances of the crime.
I am, too. Justin Barber's wife, April, was murdered. She had a $1 or $2 million dollar life insurance policy on her life, too. Justin applied for the insurance money. They insisted on a deposition before releasing the money. That deposition was actually used in court when he was being tried for her murder. Remember, Justin is the guy who was shot four times in the supposed attempted robbery that night. He shot himself. He was convicted of murder. Jason murdered his wife. I bet dollars to donuts that the money will not be released until he agrees to a deposition, which we all know he won't do because he is afraid that this will be the last nail in his murderous coffin.

[j2mirish]

I am, too. Justin Barber's wife, April, was murdered. She had a $1 or $2 million dollar life insurance policy on her life, too. Justin applied for the insurance money. They insisted on a deposition before releasing the money. That deposition was actually used in court when he was being tried for her murder. Remember, Justin is the guy who was shot four times in the supposed attempted robbery that night. He shot himself. He was convicted of murder. Jason murdered his wife. I bet dollars to donuts that the money will not be released until he agrees to a deposition, which we all know he won't do because he is afraid that this will be the last nail in his murderous coffin.
great point Nan- I think it also makes him look even more guilty- If she was murdered by someone else- enough time has passed, that a normal spouse would have by now applied for the insurance-

[whitywendy]

great point Nan- I think it also makes him look even more guilty- If she was murdered by someone else- enough time has passed, that a normal spouse would have by now applied for the insurance-

And what are we waiting for? For NC to finally arrest his butt? EVERYONE/ANYBODY can read what little facts there are to this and KNOW that he killed her.

Question: How do they know for a fact that Jason was miles away when this happened?

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Still thinking of Michelle and hoping justice will come soon.

Anyone heard about the sale of the house, that supposedly was going to be finalized at/near the end of May?

[Just the Fax]

Still thinking of Michelle and hoping justice will come soon.

Anyone heard about the sale of the house, that supposedly was going to be finalized at/near the end of May?

I seems the septic tank has sprung a leak and the closing has been delayed.

[concernedperson]

I seems the septic tank has sprung a leak and the closing has been delayed.

More out of pocket expense to get the deal done?

[oakayfine]

More out of pocket expense to get the deal done?

It really seems like Jason has quite the string of bad luck going on. Could it be a bad case of KARMA catching up with him?
A little here and a little there, it all adds up ... kind of like the snowball effect. Sooner or later, he will pay for what he has done. IMO

[Talisman]

What in Hades is going on with this case??? Jason hasn't even been arrested yet? I can't believe this is June of the year 2008 and Michelle's murderer (imo) is still living life to the fullest :mad:.

Before joining Websleuths this was one of the cases I kept following. Came into this thread this morning thinking I would read all about Jason's upcoming trial somewhere in a post.


What in Hades is going on? patience has never, ever been one of my virtues!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I seems the septic tank has sprung a leak and the closing has been delayed.

Thank you for the update.

(Dang, there's got to be a little irony there....)

[concernedperson]

Thank you for the update.

(Dang, there's got to be a little irony there....)

I kind of think so too. Sewage is as sewage does.

[Taximom]

Whew, I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking about the septic tank that way.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Me too :rolleyes:

[concernedperson]

I confess. We are one in the same. I will not give up and will not let them twist my words to suit their own evil needs. I will continue to post there as time allows as I refuse to let that board turn in to a bashing board towards the Fisher's.

Good for you. We have seen this too many times when the victims families are trashed beyond words when all other indications are that the husband/SO is involved.

[Just the Fax]

I confess. We are one in the same. I will not give up and will not let them twist my words to suit their own evil needs. I will continue to post there as time allows as I refuse to let that board turn in to a bashing board towards the Fisher's.

That thread is moderated by the devil.:furious:

There is no excuse to allow the libelous crap that is spewed daily.

[oakayfine]

Good for you. We have seen this too many times when the victims families are trashed beyond words when all other indications are that the husband/SO is involved.


It's even sadder when they trash the families using IUPG as their basis. That is NOT what was intended but they do it all the time. It is sickening.
Like I said, I'll continue to fight the good fight until I die or get banned but I will not let them get away with the vile posts anymore.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Michelle has really been on my mind a lot lately. I'm not sure why. Then again, I rarely get to watch (formerly named) Court TV during the day, but have been able to do so lately and have been watching the Entwhistle case - I can't watch that and not think of Michelle and baby.

Random thoughts -

Is it common, or more uncommon, to delay a real estate closing over a leaking septic system? Of transactions I've known, they were usually handled by sale price reductions to cover the future repair costs (i.e., estimated $5K repair deducted from closing costs) or contract written to cover seller responsibility for getting it fixed within 30 days or so, etc. With those of you with RE experience, is it more common than not to delay a whole closing over such a thing? Realistically, I don't know, but it's got me wondering.

The search warrants from February. Just wondering what was really listed for the probably cause statement, since LE doesn't have to list everything. Does Jason's friends and family realize that? So what originally bothered them by reading the PC, isn't probably the worst...just the minimum necessary for the judge to sign off on the sw's. Very smart on LE's part. I hope the murderer knows this and wonders every single night. Every single one.

Same with the autopsy. Someone please refresh my memory. Wasn't there issue as to whether some of it was held back and not made public? I'm hoping some was held back so that there's a small detail from that, which will be the "final straw" that LE can then prove the murderer did it. I'm a fan of the shocking detail that is the last nail, so to speak. I enjoy seeing the stunned looks of criminals who think they're so smart.

LE, please know we're cheering for you...you've got the motivation to keep looking for justice in her case. Here's hoping you find what you (and the DA) need soon to take this to trial for conviction. :blowkiss: I believe you will.

[evelyn24]

I can't believe this case is still "unsolved."
Jason will get his one day...you cannot hide forever, sob.

[Just the Fax]

The house finally sold for $370k.

Unsuspecting ? California couple.

$55k less than the 6/07 asking price:bang:

$9k less than he paid 3 years ago :eek:

[concernedperson]

The house finally sold for $370k.

$55k less than the 6/07 asking price:bang:

$9k less than he paid 3 years ago :eek:


Very lucky to get that. IMO.

[Just the Fax]

Very lucky to get that. IMO.

Can you imagine what the neighbors are saying ?
I'm so glad some dumb <<cough>> body finally bought this friggin house :laugh:

[oakayfine]

Can you imagine what the neighbors are saying ?
I'm so glad some dumb <<cough>> body finally bought this friggin house :laugh:

I'm sure the weight has been lifted off JY's shoulders as well. Guess he won't need to collect that LI yet. More for Cassie later on.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Very lucky to get that. IMO.

I agree.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

The house finally sold for $370k.

Unsuspecting ? California couple.

$55k less than the 6/07 asking price:bang:

$9k less than he paid 3 years ago :eek:

Thank you for the update.
So, how does that work out as to his bottom line, did you kinda keep track of that? Did he have to write a check for $______ to get rid of the debt? Wonder who might have helped him with that? :confused: I'd think he would try for his nice life insurance proceeds in order to assist with the finances, rather than borrowing from friends and/or family. I mean, why wouldn't someone go after that? :rolleyes:

[jilly]

Hi Dep!:blowkiss:Good to see you!

I don't know the answers to your questions but I remember JtF saying he'd have to write a check.

It just bothers me that this guy is still able to have a life. Just finished following the Entwistle case. Can't believe how much evidence against him was suppressed! Unbelievable! This whole system is geared towards the defendant and I can sure see why they haven't charged jy yet.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi Dep!:blowkiss:Good to see you!

I don't know the answers to your questions but I remember JtF saying he'd have to write a check.

It just bothers me that this guy is still able to have a life. Just finished following the Entwistle case. Can't believe how much evidence against him was suppressed! Unbelievable! This whole system is geared towards the defendant and I can sure see why they haven't charged jy yet.

Hiya Jilly! :blowkiss: Long time, huh?
Not much going on in this case (at least on the public side). Ugh.
I didn't keep up with the Entwistle case these past 2+ years, but did get the opportunity to watch about 50% of the trial proceedings on TV. Yay! I really couldn't watch that case and listen to testimony and then think of the similarities between the cases.

Yes, re evidence suppressed. I truly believe we'll be surprised at what LE has in Michelle's case once it goes to trial. Details that neither family's members know about, nor us as the public. Just details that the murderer knows and remembers that he left behind. I'm hoping it will be televised, as well. I want to see the players involved, as well as hearing all the testimony about the details.

I can't believe JY isn't charged yet either, but I'd rather they get everything they need to ensure guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I really do wonder what the "aha" moment will be....

JMO

[j2mirish]

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I can't believe JY isn't charged yet either, but I'd rather they get everything they need to ensure guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I really do wonder what the "aha" moment will be....

JMO
I cant believe it either
after watching the other trial, I was sickened that Jason is still a free man :mad:

[jilly]

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I cant believe it either
after watching the other trial, I was sickened that Jason is still a free man :mad:

:wave:J2:blowkiss:

Me too - but what a bumbling idiot NE was hey? What's sparing jy so far, imo is that he hasn't talked. I bet he's actually gloating about it!:cursing:

[j2mirish]

:wave:J2:blowkiss:

Me too - but what a bumbling idiot NE was hey? What's sparing jy so far, imo is that he hasn't talked. I bet he's actually gloating about it!:cursing:
Hi ya Jilly :blowkiss:
yes- he was bumbling idiot, but I think it makes me even madder that Jason just has to sit back and say nothing...... so he is a free bird------ makes me sick

[jilly]

I can't believe JY isn't charged yet either, but I'd rather they get everything they need to ensure guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I really do wonder what the "aha" moment will be....

JMO

I was actually coming to the point where I wanted him charged just so as he would be dragged into court and put on display then I realized, if he got off, he'd be cashing a LI check!!:furious:
Sooooo, I'll continue to be patient and relish in the thought that he is dealing with Karma. Can't imagine what an 'aha' moment would be unless someone finds a bundle of his clothes and murder weapon. Hopefully, he didn't throw it all in a dumpster.

[j2mirish]

I was actually coming to the point where I wanted him charged just so as he would be dragged into court and put on display then I realized, if he got off, he'd be cashing a LI check!!:furious:
Sooooo, I'll continue to be patient and relish in the thought that he is dealing with Karma. Can't imagine what an 'aha' moment would be unless someone finds a bundle of his clothes and murder weapon. Hopefully, he didn't throw it all in a dumpster.
I hate to say it or type it, but I am beginning to think there may not be an "AHA" moment-----I am wondering as each day goes by--- if he may in fact get away with this one :mad: makes me SICK :furious:

[Just the Fax]

Thank you for the update.
So, how does that work out as to his bottom line, did you kinda keep track of that? Did he have to write a check for $______ to get rid of the debt? Wonder who might have helped him with that? :confused: I'd think he would try for his nice life insurance proceeds in order to assist with the finances, rather than borrowing from friends and/or family. I mean, why wouldn't someone go after that? :rolleyes:

Based on 2 mortgages and 3 years of amortization, it looks like he had to stroke a check for $3-$7k after the realtor commission.

[Just the Fax]

I hate to say it or type it, but I am beginning to think there may not be an "AHA" moment-----I am wondering as each day goes by--- if he may in fact get away with this one :mad: makes me SICK :furious:

No way he walks
They will eventually pull the trigger.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Based on 2 mortgages and 3 years of amortization, it looks like he had to stroke a check for $3-$7k after the realtor commission.

That's not too bad then. I thought it would be much more. That's got to be a huge burden off him now.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I hate to say it or type it, but I am beginning to think there may not be an "AHA" moment-----I am wondering as each day goes by--- if he may in fact get away with this one :mad: makes me SICK :furious:

That would make me SICK :furious: as well. My mind can't wrap around the thought that her murderer wouldn't be found. I still believe it will go to trial.

Just think, Jason and his family/friends are wandering around with that "puckered" look, eyeing every unknown stranger in their neighborhood and looking over their shoulders. Never knowing when that day will come....I like that idea :crazy:

[concernedperson]

That would make me SICK :furious: as well. My mind can't wrap around the thought that her murderer wouldn't be found. I still believe it will go to trial.

Just think, Jason and his family/friends are wandering around with that "puckered" look, eyeing every unknown stranger in their neighborhood and looking over their shoulders. Never knowing when that day will come....I like that idea :crazy:

You know its true. There are several cases ongoing that the "puckered" look is eating away at some. The amount of deflection usually is the true indicator. Just think of Neil Entwistle's family at trial and the horrible things said to take away the blame for their son's guilt. Which the jury didn't buy for a minute. The jury was courteous enough to go over all the trial's transcripts and they had to be sick just knowing what was done to Rachel and Lily.

Anytime someone starts to hurl at the victims you have to look at the motivation. That starting point will almost always get justice for the victim (s).

[j2mirish]

That would make me SICK :furious: as well. My mind can't wrap around the thought that her murderer wouldn't be found. I still believe it will go to trial.

Just think, Jason and his family/friends are wandering around with that "puckered" look, eyeing every unknown stranger in their neighborhood and looking over their shoulders. Never knowing when that day will come....I like that idea :crazy:
thanks- sorry I had that weak moment :)

[jilly]

You know its true. There are several cases ongoing that the "puckered" look is eating away at some. The amount of deflection usually is the true indicator. Just think of Neil Entwistle's family at trial and the horrible things said to take away the blame for their son's guilt. Which the jury didn't buy for a minute. The jury was courteous enough to go over all the trial's transcripts and they had to be sick just knowing what was done to Rachel and Lily.

Anytime someone starts to hurl at the victims you have to look at the motivation. That starting point will almost always get justice for the victim (s).

Boy oh Boy - just thinking.....Yvonne Entwistle was even worse than J Peterson and I never thought that was possible. With this case I think Pat Young might even trump them all!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

You know its true. There are several cases ongoing that the "puckered" look is eating away at some. The amount of deflection usually is the true indicator. Just think of Neil Entwistle's family at trial and the horrible things said to take away the blame for their son's guilt. Which the jury didn't buy for a minute. The jury was courteous enough to go over all the trial's transcripts and they had to be sick just knowing what was done to Rachel and Lily.

Anytime someone starts to hurl at the victims you have to look at the motivation. That starting point will almost always get justice for the victim (s).

So very true.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

thanks- sorry I had that weak moment :)

Heck, don't we all when looking from the sidelines! But, isn't it nice that we aren't personally involved?!?!?! I still can't believe this husband (cough cough) has put his immediate and extended family (let alone Michelle's family) through this for so long.

It's one thing to lawyer up at the beginning until you get an attorney firmly on the ground with your case...but to remain silent and NOT ASSIST LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH ANY OF THE DETAILS FOR 1+ YEARS when your wife has been brutally beaten? Nope, not buying it, Jason Young! :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

I'm sure the Young family and friends didn't agree with the Enwistle conviction - can't you just hear them now? But really, that case proves "things are not always as they first seem," isn't that what Entwistle's attorneys said? Well, put me down in the column saying Jason Young wasn't as he appeared to his old friends, as well. JMO, of course :)

[jilly]

I was watching A&E Cold Cases today and they charged and convicted a guy for murder but it took 10 years.
When asked about how he felt about the 10 yrs, the Detective said that at the time of the murder the guy was a nothing and had nothing to lose. After 10 yrs he was married, a couple of kids, 2 cars, owned his home. It gave the Detective great pleasure in putting an end to his good life and putting the guy in a position where he now has to think about everything he's lost.

So this is another way of thinking about it!:)

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I was watching A&E Cold Cases today and they charged and convicted a guy for murder but it took 10 years.
When asked about how he felt about the 10 yrs, the Detective said that at the time of the murder the guy was a nothing and had nothing to lose. After 10 yrs he was married, a couple of kids, 2 cars, owned his home. It gave the Detective great pleasure in putting an end to his good life and putting the guy in a position where he now has to think about everything he's lost.

So this is another way of thinking about it!:)

Yeppers, it's sweet when the azzhats let their guards down :woohoo:

[jilly]

Heck, don't we all when looking from the sidelines! But, isn't it nice that we aren't personally involved?!?!?! I still can't believe this husband (cough cough) has put his immediate and extended family (let alone Michelle's family) through this for so long.

It's one thing to lawyer up at the beginning until you get an attorney firmly on the ground with your case...but to remain silent and NOT ASSIST LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH ANY OF THE DETAILS FOR 1+ YEARS when your wife has been brutally beaten? Nope, not buying it, Jason Young! :chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

I'm sure the Young family and friends didn't agree with the Enwistle conviction - can't you just hear them now? But really, that case proves "things are not always as they first seem," isn't that what Entwistle's attorneys said? Well, put me down in the column saying Jason Young wasn't as he appeared to his old friends, as well. JMO, of course :)

I'm reading a book right now called Deadly Dose. JusttheFax brought it to our attention at another site. It's about a Raleigh Detective's pursuit for justice regarding the arsenic murder of a husband.
It's written by Amanda Lamb who as we know is the reporter on this case for WRAL. I've only just started the book but it's interesting to read this Detective's view on the DA and attorneys such as Wade Smith and Rick Gammon a former cop.

Right now I'm at the part where they are executing a search warrant on a man's home. He exchanged a lot of romantic emails and and exchanged many phone calls with the wife of the deceased. Sound familiar? When the detective wanted to question him, he immediately referred the cop to his lawyer which he had retained shortly after the murder.

It got me wondering. I wonder how many of these friends of jy lawyered up.

Couple of tidbits I wasn't aware of. When a s/w is issued, LE notifies the family of the deceased so that they are not blindsided by news headlines the following day.

It's this Detective's experience that often killers felt the need to tell someone what they had done. I've always wondered how much Kim knows.

The husband and wife in this case had one daughter. One of the main reasons the Detective decided to tell his story to Lamb was because he wanted the couple's daughter to be able to get to know about this one day.

Anyways, I'm only 1/4 of the way into the book. Must go and :read:

[NCBanker]

The Wake County Government site has finally updated the real estate record for the recent sales transaction. Looks like the new owner paid less for the home than what Jason and Michelle paid for it three years ago. That's gotta make you feel good.

Here's the link...

http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/Account.asp?id=0156150&stype=addr&stnum=5108&stname=birchleaf&locidList=&spg=1

[PomMom12]

I'm reading a book right now called Deadly Dose. JusttheFax brought it to our attention at another site. It's about a Raleigh Detective's pursuit for justice regarding the arsenic murder of a husband.
It's written by Amanda Lamb who as we know is the reporter on this case for WRAL. I've only just started the book but it's interesting to read this Detective's view on the DA and attorneys such as Wade Smith and Rick Gammon a former cop.

Right now I'm at the part where they are executing a search warrant on a man's home. He exchanged a lot of romantic emails and and exchanged many phone calls with the wife of the deceased. Sound familiar? When the detective wanted to question him, he immediately referred the cop to his lawyer which he had retained shortly after the murder.

It got me wondering. I wonder how many of these friends of jy lawyered up.

Couple of tidbits I wasn't aware of. When a s/w is issued, LE notifies the family of the deceased so that they are not blindsided by news headlines the following day.

It's this Detective's experience that often killers felt the need to tell someone what they had done. I've always wondered how much Kim knows.

The husband and wife in this case had one daughter. One of the main reasons the Detective decided to tell his story to Lamb was because he wanted the couple's daughter to be able to get to know about this one day.

Anyways, I'm only 1/4 of the way into the book. Must go and :read:

Is the book based on the Miller case? If it is, you may be interested to know that Oxygen is going to profile the case on its Snapped show tonight at 10 p.m.

[jilly]

Is the book based on the Miller case? If it is, you may be interested to know that Oxygen is going to profile the case on its Snapped show tonight at 10 p.m.

Yes it is! I'll try and watch that tonite - thanks so much for letting me know! I've finished the book now and I have to say I'm nervous that jy will ever be charged after what it took for Ann Miller's case to finally get to that point.:(

[nanandjim]

The Wake County Government site has finally updated the real estate record for the recent sales transaction. Looks like the new owner paid less for the home than what Jason and Michelle paid for it three years ago. That's gotta make you feel good.

Here's the link...

http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/Account.asp?id=0156150&stype=addr&stnum=5108&stname=birchleaf&locidList=&spg=1
Thanks for the link. I don't think that I could live in a home where a violent murder took place--especially in the master bedroom. :(

[awareness]

Im new here to WS.

I've been following true crime for a long time now, and Michelle's case basically since her tragic murder occurred. I truly feel Jason is the perpetrator in the case, although I could be wrong. I hope the Grand Jury will indict him soon and we'll see all the evidence LE has. JMO/IMO

[j2mirish]

Im new here to WS.

I've been following true crime for a long time now, and Michelle's case basically since her tragic murder occurred. I truly feel Jason is the perpetrator in the case, although I could be wrong. I hope the Grand Jury will indict him soon and we'll see all the evidence LE has. JMO/IMO
welcome to ws :)

[strach304]

Welcome to Websleuths Awareness :blowkiss:
One Day, hopefully. We're still waiting.

[oakayfine]

The Wake County Government site has finally updated the real estate record for the recent sales transaction. Looks like the new owner paid less for the home than what Jason and Michelle paid for it three years ago. That's gotta make you feel good.

Here's the link...

http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/Account.asp?id=0156150&stype=addr&stnum=5108&stname=birchleaf&locidList=&spg=1

Why would it make anyone feel good? It is what it is.

[Just the Fax]

Why would it make anyone feel good? It is what it is.

Any amount of pain the killer suffers while walking free makes me feel good.:dance:

[CarolineJ]

Maybe with the recent bunch of pregnant women murders happening in North Carolina, this one will get off the back burner.
http://www.charlotte.com/109/story/714897.html
Look at this one just breaking. Pregnant 31 year old mother dies in house fire. Her children are not at home - visiting relatives. Case being investigated as arson.

[oakayfine]

Maybe with the recent bunch of pregnant women murders happening in North Carolina, this one will get off the back burner.
http://www.charlotte.com/109/story/714897.html
Look at this one just breaking. Pregnant 31 year old mother dies in house fire. Her children are not at home - visiting relatives. Case being investigated as arson.

Is there something in the air in North Carolina? It seems like most of the recent pregnant wife murders are occurring there!

[2Daughters1Dog]

Any amount of pain the killer suffers while walking free makes me feel good.:dance:

it hurts the daughter too. funny the OP said "finally" when the website was updated within 10 days including weekends and 4th of july.

[nanandjim]

Why would it make anyone feel good? It is what it is.
Do you want to see the murderer be rewarded for his deed?

[raisincharlie]

Not much really new but perhaps the Nancy Cooper case will motivate WCSO to quit saying they are making progess and get on with it. Note the following:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1158838.html


As it turns out, Fisher was in Raleigh, visiting her younger daughter Meredith in mid-July when Cooper's body was discovered at a construction site near her Lochmere home.
"I've been following the case very closely ever since," Fisher said. "It was so hard to read the stories and watch it while I was there," she said. "It hurt to my very core. It just starts it all over again."


She repeated what the investigators say: "They're working on the case, and they're making progress." Beyond that, she is sworn to silence. "There's so much I can't talk about, but there's so much I want to say."

[fran]

Not much really new but perhaps the Nancy Cooper case will motivate WCSO to quit saying they are making progess and get on with it. Note the following:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1158838.html


As it turns out, Fisher was in Raleigh, visiting her younger daughter Meredith in mid-July when Cooper's body was discovered at a construction site near her Lochmere home.
"I've been following the case very closely ever since," Fisher said. "It was so hard to read the stories and watch it while I was there," she said. "It hurt to my very core. It just starts it all over again."


She repeated what the investigators say: "They're working on the case, and they're making progress." Beyond that, she is sworn to silence. "There's so much I can't talk about, but there's so much I want to say."

OH, charlie!

We must think EXACTLY alike. I was putting this in the media thread the same time you were putting it here! ;)

This is another case that breaks my heart. It's compounded by the fact the perp is still free walking the streets. But, IMO, there's hope a resolution will come some day, hopefully sooner than later.

I especially like the part where she says "They're working on the case, and they're making progress. Beyond that, she is sworn to silence."

I hope the perp reads this article and realizes he will not get away with it, LE has his number! They're just waiting for the right moment. Justice does not always come as quickly as we would like, but come it will!

Justice for Michelle Young!

JMHO
fran

[raisincharlie]

OH, charlie!

We must think EXACTLY alike. I was putting this in the media thread the same time you were putting it here! ;)

This is another case that breaks my heart. It's compounded by the fact the perp is still free walking the streets. But, IMO, there's hope a resolution will come some day, hopefully sooner than later.

I especially like the part where she says "They're working on the case, and they're making progress. Beyond that, she is sworn to silence."

I hope the perp reads this article and realizes he will not get away with it, LE has his number! They're just waiting for the right moment. Justice does not always come as quickly as we would like, but come it will!

Justice for Michelle Young!

JMHO
fran

Unfortunately for Linda Fisher - she has been hearing that statement from LE for 20 months. The sworn to silence comment - tells me a great deal, so have the witnesses LE is relying on. So many placed under this strain and the perp is still playing around fancy free. Absolutely stinks and I do hope LE/DA gets off the pot in short order.

[fran]

Unfortunately for Linda Fisher - she has been hearing that statement from LE for 20 months. The sworn to silence comment - tells me a great deal, so have the witnesses LE is relying on. So many placed under this strain and the perp is still playing around fancy free. Absolutely stinks and I do hope LE/DA gets off the pot in short order.

At this point all we have is hope. I don't want to give that up.

This makes me so sad. Such a beautiful life and precious unborn child taken needlessly.

This sort of thing should NOT happen and when it does, the perp should be PUNISHED.

LE needs to get off their duff and arrest someone! IMO, I think many know who that 'someone' is.

:(
fran

[raisincharlie]

At this point all we have is hope. I don't want to give that up.

This makes me so sad. Such a beautiful life and precious unborn child taken needlessly.

This sort of thing should NOT happen and when it does, the perp should be PUNISHED.

LE needs to get off their duff and arrest someone! IMO, I think many know who that 'someone' is.

:(
fran

Not sure it is LE who needs to get off the pot - more likely the DA. However, I definitely do not wish to see the DA go forward unless the case can be proven to the standard required. If it is the DA holding off - it tells me LE missed something - so IMO they need to stop saying they are progessing and get with it. I'm sure it is not easy, but that is what they were trained for. And I am pro LE :crazy:

[sweetmop]

Not sure it is LE who needs to get off the pot - more likely the DA. However, I definitely do not wish to see the DA go forward unless the case can be proven to the standard required. If it is the DA holding off - it tells me LE missed something - so IMO they need to stop saying they are progessing and get with it. I'm sure it is not easy, but that is what they were trained for. And I am pro LE :crazy:

Well hello RC! So good to see you!
And thank you for posting the link to this N&O article. I imagine Nancy Cooper's murder did conjure up all sorts of feelings in Linda, and in Meredith Fisher.

Let me say also, that I too am PRO LE! God bless them all. I would not want their jobs. After reading Amanda Lamb's book about the Eric Miller murder, investigation, and the 4 years it took to arrest his guilty wife, I'm convinced that the hold up in Michelle's case is in the DA's office. What else can they possibly discover now, almost 21 months! I think the DA needs to go ahead and give the ok. jmho.

I also think the media should make some moves and shake up the comfort zone of the " suspect ". He should be really easy to find, as much as he's out on the road daily. Find him, shove a microphone in his face, and ask some of those questions he should be asked!

The amount of frustration that I have , I just can't see how Linda and Meredith have made it this long and kept their sanity. They are most certainly strong women with much faith.

[raisincharlie]

Well hello RC! So good to see you!
And thank you for posting the link to this N&O article. I imagine Nancy Cooper's murder did conjure up all sorts of feelings in Linda, and in Meredith Fisher.

Let me say also, that I too am PRO LE! God bless them all. I would not want their jobs. After reading Amanda Lamb's book about the Eric Miller murder, investigation, and the 4 years it took to arrest his guilty wife, I'm convinced that the hold up in Michelle's case is in the DA's office. What else can they possibly discover now, almost 21 months! I think the DA needs to go ahead and give the ok. jmho.

I also think the media should make some moves and shake up the comfort zone of the " suspect ". He should be really easy to find, as much as he's out on the road daily. Find him, shove a microphone in his face, and ask some of those questions he should be asked!

The amount of frustration that I have , I just can't see how Linda and Meredith have made it this long and kept their sanity. They are most certainly strong women with much faith.

Hi Sweetmop :)

I have no idea how Linda and Meredith have managed, the silence and inability to discuss and to know what they know has to be overwhelming. It is obvious from this article, it has not gotten easier and the toll is heavy.

[raisincharlie]

Some information is coming to light - not much help but:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2864/story/1159324.html

The Wake County Sheriff's Office still has a search warrant sealed in connection with the murder of Michelle Young.

Wake investigators obtained a search warrant in the Young case a little over a year ago to look for clues in an undisclosed location, according to a court document made public today at the clerk of courts office. Stephens agreed to seal that warrant for 180 days. Last month, on June 5, Stephens again agreed to seal the warrant for at least 180 more days.


ETA - June of 2007 ? Confusing - perjaps they are referening to the Valentines Day 08 warrants.

[traveler]

http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/3305132/

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/news_briefs/2008/07/30/3305206/19508-myoung_sealed.pdf

Here are 2 other links to this. I'm very confused. Has this July 5, 2007 SW been sealed once already and this is the 2nd time or was this SW issued and had never been retured until June 5th, 2008 and then sealed? Can LE hang on to a SW for 11 months w/o returning it? What kind of search document would need hanging on to for 11 months? Besides - I thought the media was on top of all public documents about this case and it took almost 2 months before they published anything about it. I'm a little disappointed that it has taken this long.

[fran]

I am a LOT disappointed that Michelle's murderer is still walking as a free man!

I cannot believe they don't have enough to indict him. What do they want, a video?

Either arrest him or tell the public it's in the 'cold case files.'

This looks like it's going nowhere. What a shame, another one gets away with it. :(

JMHO
fran

[j2mirish]

I am a LOT disappointed that Michelle's murderer is still walking as a free man!

I cannot believe they don't have enough to indict him. What do they want, a video?

Either arrest him or tell the public it's in the 'cold case files.'

This looks like it's going nowhere. What a shame, another one gets away with it. :(

JMHO
fran
I am beginning to agree with you and I dont like it :mad:

[Samiya]

Am waiting to see the faces of the new house owners if the jury decides they want a walkthrough of the crime scene.

Sure hope the realtor was kind enough to warn the new owners of Birchleaf that THAT is a distinct possibility for the future!

Hey Jason...Is everything you 'took' with you accounted for for that night in 2006? Better check again son.

Jus' askin'

[raisincharlie]

Am waiting to see the faces of the new house owners if the jury decides they want a walkthrough of the crime scene.

Sure hope the realtor was kind enough to warn the new owners of Birchleaf that THAT is a distinct possibility for the future!

Hey Jason...Is everything you 'took' with you accounted for for that night in 2006? Better check again son.

Jus' askin'


Sami - HELLO !

Glad to hear from you ! Hope you are well. :)

I suspect there may be more than one thing he "took" with him that is unaccounted for.

[Cheyenne130]

I am beginning to agree with you and I dont like it :mad:

We should know something in the next few months. Michelle's family has 2 years from the time of the crime to file a wrongful death suit in civil court (I think). If there is an arrest and impending trial, that time frame gets extended. If there is no arrest, they need to file before the November deadline. Since Michelle's mother was just in Raleigh and just met with investigators and she hasn't yet filed the civil suit, they may have given her some