Benjaman Kyle - Those who still need investigation - WE NEED YOUR HELP!

[RKnowley]

Post persons still needing investigation on this thread.

Side by Side Photo Comparison Thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55629 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55629)

Those who still need investigation:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60373

Link to thread for those who can be ruled out for sure.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60335

Link to thread for those who CANNOT be ruled out as BK:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59719

Link to gmail document with the most up to date information regarding possible matches and the work that still needs to be done:
http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dcbh2vh8_11sc9wwrgg

Link to Benjaman Kyle Discussion Thread
50/60 year old Amnesia Victim Savannah, GA Thread #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58460) (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/multipage.gif 1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58460) 2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58460&page=2))

[RKnowley]

POST #2

:confused: AZ- Charles Martin Russell (KTCan#2#278) Too short
http://charleyproject.org/cases/r/russell_charles.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/r/russell_charles.html)
:confused: AZ- Donald Kenneth Shelberger (KTCan#2# 278) ?
http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/shelenberger_donald.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/shelenberger_donald.html)
:confused:AZ- Douglas Alan Mueller (KTCan#2#278) Too Tall, Blond Hair
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html)

:confused: CA- Gary David Poole (concernedperson#1#553) Too Tall
http://www.nampn.org/cases/poole_gary.html (http://www.nampn.org/cases/poole_gary.html)
:confused: CA- John Dean Rescorle (snarky malarkey#2#283)?
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/rescorl_john.html
:confused: CA- Larry Michael Wood (KTCan#2#260)?
http://charleyproject.org/cases/w/wood_larry.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/w/wood_larry.html)

POST #3

:confused: CA- Mark Lane Smith (KTCan#1#229) ?
http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_mark.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/s/smith_mark.html)


POST #4

:confused: CA- William Herbert Pear (KTCan#1#119)?
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473 (http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473)
:confused: CO- Eugene Fish (Sable#2#91) I think he can be ruled out because his fingerprints are most likely on file and would have been checked against Benjaman's?
http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t6193.html (http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t6193.html)


Post #5


:confused: IA- Charles Elmquist (kaylenbabysims#1#176) Physical Disability??
http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39 (http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39)

POST #6

:confused: IA- Ronald L. Zellmer (kaylenbabysims#1#177) ?
http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=245 (http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=245)
:confused: IA- Timothy A. Felton (aj1020#1#148) ?
http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx? (http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?)cmd=personDetailCommand&id=19 (http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?)
Note: I haven't found a photo for Timothy A. Felton yet. I will hunt for him.

POST #9

:confused:ME- Judd Miller (Gina M#2#109) Platnium Blond Hair
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/miller_judd.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/miller_judd.html)

[RKnowley]

POST #10

http://websleuths.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif MO- Mark Anthoney Maty (Angie4b1g#1#46) His DNA is available so when Benjaman's DNA is put through CODIS (If it hasn't been already)their DNA will be compared for a match.
http://www.jcsd.org/Missing.htm (http://www.jcsd.org/Missing.htm)
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1006dmmo.html <--This site lists that his DNA is available.

:confused: NC- Kenneth Raynor Childress (Gina M#2#104) ?
http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases....Childress.html (http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases.yuku.com/topic/564/t/Missing-brother-Kenneth-Raynor-Childress.html)


POST #11

:confused: NJ- Sigfried Woelki (Mark Franzeo#2#284) ?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1205dmnj.html


POST #12


:confused:NY- Michael Scott McLaughlin (KTCan#2#259) blond hair
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mclaughlin_michael.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mclaughlin_michael.html)
:confused: NY- Samuel Arthur Todd (KTCan#2#259) He has two small scars on his left cheek near his eye.
http://charleyproject.org/cases/t/todd_samuel.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/t/todd_samuel.html)
:confused: NY- Steven Norman Chait (KTCan#2#259) ?
http://charleyproject.org/cases/c/chait_steven.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/c/chait_steven.html)

POST #14

:confused: OH– John Koziatek (MarkFranzeo#2#284) ?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1066dmoh.html


POST #15

:confused: OR- Corwin Charles Osborn (KTCan#1#229) ?
http://charleyproject.org/cases/o/osborn_corwin.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/o/osborn_corwin.html)

:confused: PA- Michael Jose Malinoski (KTCan#2#259) ?
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/malinoski_michael.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/malinoski_michael.html)

[RKnowley]

POST #18

:confused: IN or OH - Jim Barry or Jim BERRY ?
http://www.cyberpages.com/minidb?pro...ion=showrecord (http://www.cyberpages.com/minidb?program=persons&id=20262&action=showrecord) (GinaM#2#289)

POST #24

:confused: CA - Mark Wendell Wilson (Salem- Photo thread post #23) ?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/468dmca.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/468dmca.html)

[believe09]

he has brown eyes...
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1120dmco.html

[believe09]

too short 5'8"...
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503385S

[RKnowley]

We all know that most people get shorter as we age, if someone went missing in 1996 and was listed as 6'1" when they went missing could they have lost enough height to have ended up at BK's height when he was found in 2004 or would you rule the 6'1" person out as being BK?

I'm talking about Gary David Poole who is one of the possibles for being BK. So far he is too tall to be BK and is listed as having hazel eyes but I don't want to rule out on just eye color alone because they can look completely different at different times.

What do you all think??

[RKnowley]

POST #2


:confused: AZ- Douglas Alan Mueller (KTCan#2#278) Blond hair, Too Young (he would be about 50 now)
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html)

[believe09]

Can we have a think about how to go about this? We could divy up the list, call LE and anyone who already have fingerprints on file would be out. Then maybe dentals...Thoughts??

[Fairy1]

POST #2


:confused: AZ- Douglas Alan Mueller (KTCan#2#278) Blond hair, Too Young (he would be about 50 now)
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html)


RKnowley - please, please, please don't discount Mueller based on age and hair color. Of all side-by-sides - I believe Douglas and BK bear the most striking resemblance. As I've mentioned, hair color - particulary blonde - changes over time. Look at the nose and chin. I realize that Douglas may seem too young. But if you consider what may have taken place in the 32 years or so since Douglas went missing, it is possible. I wish there was more info on Douglas. The only other possible match I would consider is:
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

[christine2448]

RKnowley - please, please, please don't discount Mueller based on age and hair color. Of all side-by-sides - I believe Douglas and BK bear the most striking resemblance. As I've mentioned, hair color - particulary blonde - changes over time. Look at the nose and chin. I realize that Douglas may seem too young. But if you consider what may have taken place in the 32 years or so since Douglas went missing, it is possible. I wish there was more info on Douglas. The only other possible match I would consider is:
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

The pic does 'strike' me.

I haven't had a chance to see you all compare the both. Do you have a comparison done, pic and stats side by side? If so, what post...I know, I know, :slap: but I'm tired and wanted to have a quick peek if you already have it done :D and I was too lazy to read back right now....I trying to goooooo. LOL!

[RKnowley]

I DID NOT discount Mueller. If you look you will see that he is still on the thread for those who still need investigation. He also still has the :confused: by his name meaning "He still needs investigation." ALSO, if you look it you can see that I said that I was putting Douglas back in the mix to be considered as BK. Also, he has not been added to the "Those you can rule out for sure thread." ALSO, if you look at the document I made with the most up to date information on those who have and have not been ruled out you will see that Douglas is still listed as one who still needs investigation. Douglas has NOT been ruled out by anyone.

RKnowley - please, please, please don't discount Mueller based on age and hair color. Of all side-by-sides - I believe Douglas and BK bear the most striking resemblance. As I've mentioned, hair color - particulary blonde - changes over time. Look at the nose and chin. I realize that Douglas may seem too young. But if you consider what may have taken place in the 32 years or so since Douglas went missing, it is possible. I wish there was more info on Douglas. The only other possible match I would consider is:
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

[RKnowley]

Christine,

See the photos thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55629

POST #2 is where you will find Douglas Alan Mueller.

[christine2448]

Christine,

See the photos thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55629

POST #2 is where you will find Douglas Alan Mueller.

OH yeah, thanks, that jogged me, seeing the pics like that. Dang, yes, that certianly needs more inv. if we just go on looks.

Thanks! RK. Fairy, thanks!

When do you all sleep???

[RKnowley]

I'm sleeping now...shhhh, you will wake me :innocent:

OH yeah, thanks, that jogged me, seeing the pics like that. Dang, yes, that certianly needs more inv. if we just go on looks.

Thanks! RK. Fairy, thanks!

When do you all sleep???

[Fairy1]

POST #2


:confused: AZ- Douglas Alan Mueller (KTCan#2#278) Blond hair, Too Young (he would be about 50 now)
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html)


Sorry - this looks like a "discount" to me. Maybe I misunderstood. In any case, I think it's a good match and 90% of the others can be discounted IMO. BK has some very pronounced features - that's what I'm looking at. The other physical characteristics are a match and the only other thing that could sway me is geographical difference. But then again, we live in a very mobile society and it's not that much of a stretch. 32 years is a long time.

[RKnowley]

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Putting Douglas back into the mix to be considered as being BK

POST #2


:confused: AZ- Douglas Alan Mueller (KTCan#2#278) Blond hair, Too Young (he would be about 50 now) Too Tall at 6'1"
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mueller_douglas.html)
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[RKnowley]

Even though Douglas hasn't been ruled out, the reasons for why he could be ruled out appear in red next to his name. I am noting any differences that we have come up with between Douglas & Benjaman. If a :confused: remains by a name it means he hasn't been ruled out and also if he doesn't appear on the thread for those we can rule out for sure then he hasn't been ruled out for sure.

[Fairy1]

Even though Douglas hasn't been ruled out, the reasons for why he could be ruled out appear in red next to his name. I am noting any differences that we have come up with between Douglas & Benjaman. If a :confused: remains by a name it means he hasn't been ruled out and also if he doesn't appear on the thread for those we can rule out for sure then he hasn't been ruled out for sure.

Ok - so what do we need to do to rule them out? Both have limited details. Douglas has been missing for a long time.

I recently proposed possible match on another missing/jane doe and the Doe Netowrk contact turned out to be the missing women's daughter!!! I don't know about Douglas or William. I just wish there were more details.

What do we do RKnowley? I am new at this.

[RKnowley]

I wonder if Douglas Mueller's family have had his/their DNA entered into CODIS? If anyone wants to contact the Scottsdale Police and asked them if the DNA is in CODIS, that would be great. Also, Douglas' information says his Dental X-rays are available. I wonder if Benjaman's dentals are available? If Douglas were Benjaman then perhaps the dentals would match up somewhat though a lot of time has passed and BK most likely would have had work done at some point?

This is the contact information for the Scottsdale PD and Douglas's case # is also listed.

CONTACT
Agency: Scottsdale (AZ) Police Department
Phone Number: (480) 312-5000
Case Number: 77-03053

[Fairy1]

I wonder if Douglas Mueller's family have had his/their DNA entered into CODIS? If anyone wants to contact the Scottsdale Police and asked them if the DNA is in CODIS, that would be great. Also, Douglas' information says his Dental X-rays are available. I wonder if Benjaman's dentals are available? If Douglas were Benjaman then perhaps the dentals would match up somewhat though a lot of time has passed and BK most likely would have had work done at some point?

This is the contact information for the Scottsdale PD and Douglas's case # is also listed.

CONTACT
Agency: Scottsdale (AZ) Police Department
Phone Number: (480) 312-5000
Case Number: 77-03053

I am relatively new here, but do we not know if BK's dentals are available?

[RKnowley]

I don't recall right now if his dentals are available or not. I know that his DNA has been entered into CODIS but do not know if it has been run yet. I know his fingerprints are on file and has been ran through criminal files with no match but I don't know for certain about the dentals. Christine and Believe09 would know that information right off the bat.

I am relatively new here, but do we not know if BK's dentals are available?

[believe09]

BK's fingerprints are on file, and if Douglas has dentals then they can be compared to BK as well. I am sure Rk can speak to this, but usually when you call, LE will have another piece of information in the file, sort of a hold back identifier, that might rule the person in or out right away.

no time like the present to jump in, lol! Fairy, do you want to call the contact info for Doug?

usually, I state my name and that I am a volunteer for an online community that id's missing and unidentifieds. Once the file is pulled, I explain that I am trying to rule the missing person in or out against an amnesia victim located in Savannah, GA 2004. I ask if there are fingerprints on file or a fingerprint card. Then I ask about dentals, DNA, additional pictures or other identifiers. You will need Douglas' case number, and I usually have BK's Doe Network number, 1007umga (I know it by heart, lol) available as well....

[RKnowley]

Post #5


√GA- Gerald Havron (KTCan#2#88) I think he is in prison, his description does not fit BK's profile. Is short with blondish hair, small build.
http://www.nola.com/forums/searching/index.ssf (http://www.nola.com/forums/searching/index.ssf)
NOTE: It appears Gerald HAVRON is in prison for aggravated child molestation. So, he's most likely out as a match for BK.
Prison website below and you will probably have to do a new search to find him:
http://www.dcor.state.ga.us/GDC/Offe...Redirector.jsp

NOTE: I am copying him over to the "Those we can rule out for sure" thread.

[Fairy1]

BK's fingerprints are on file, and if Douglas has dentals then they can be compared to BK as well. I am sure Rk can speak to this, but usually when you call, LE will have another piece of information in the file, sort of a hold back identifier, that might rule the person in or out right away.

no time like the present to jump in, lol! Fairy, do you want to call the contact info for Doug?

usually, I state my name and that I am a volunteer for an online community that id's missing and unidentifieds. Once the file is pulled, I explain that I am trying to rule the missing person in or out against an amnesia victim located in Savannah, GA 2004. I ask if there are fingerprints on file or a fingerprint card. Then I ask about dentals, DNA, additional pictures or other identifiers. You will need Douglas' case number, and I usually have BK's Doe Network number, 1007umga (I know it by heart, lol) available as well....

Ya know, I was going to, but now that I think about it, I think Benjamin and his people should do that. If I had amnesia and was desparately trying to find out where I belonged, I would be checking out the most likely possibilities. JMO

[believe09]

Ya know, I was going to, but now that I think about it, I think Benjamin and his people should do that. If I had amnesia and was desparately trying to find out where I belonged, I would be checking out the most likely possibilities. JMO

I will call today and post when I can.

[RKnowley]

POST #10

:confused: MO- Mark Anthoney Maty (Angie4b1g#1#46) His DNA is available so when Benjaman's DNA is put through CODIS (If it hasn't been already)their DNA will be compared for a match.
http://www.jcsd.org/Missing.htm (http://www.jcsd.org/Missing.htm)
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1006dmmo.html <--This site lists that his DNA is available.

[Fairy1]

POST #10

:confused: MO- Mark Anthoney Maty (Angie4b1g#1#46) His DNA is available so when Benjaman's DNA is put through CODIS (If it hasn't been already)their DNA will be compared for a match.
http://www.jcsd.org/Missing.htm (http://www.jcsd.org/Missing.htm)
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1006dmmo.html <--This site lists that his DNA is available.

RKnowley,

Do we not know if Benjaman's DNA is in CODIS?

[RKnowley]

We don't (or at least I don't) know if his DNA has been put through CODIS yet. I do know that he submitted a sample though.

RKnowley,

Do we not know if Benjaman's DNA is in CODIS?

[RKnowley]

POST #12


:confused:NY- Michael Scott McLaughlin (KTCan#2#259) blond hair
I sent an email off to LE in charge of Michael's case and asked if his DNA is available and also if Michael had any other identifiers (such as tattoos or scars). I will post what I find out.
http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mclaughlin_michael.html (http://charleyproject.org/cases/m/mclaughlin_michael.html)

[RKnowley]

Post #5


:confused: IA- Charles Elmquist (kaylenbabysims#1#176) Physical Disability??
Medical Conditions: Elmquist is disabled and requires assistance caring for himself.
http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39 (http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39)

http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/elmquist_charles.html

[Fairy1]

I will call today and post when I can.

Believe09,

I didn't mean to seem unsupportive - but I have seen some posts here that lead me to believe BK and his supporters are not sincere in their search for his identity. There are so many missing and unidentifieds out there who cannot speak for themselves. I'm hesitant to fully immerse myself in this search without knowing for certain the case is legitimate.

Once again, those of you who have dedicated so much time and effort to this case are amazing. I have looked at every single side-by-side and have submitted the only 2 I believe are a match. I hope one of them is....

[Fairy1]

We don't (or at least I don't) know if his DNA has been put through CODIS yet. I do know that he submitted a sample though.

Ok - he was found nearly 4 years ago. How long does it take and how can we find out?

[RKnowley]

His (Benjaman's) DNA sample was just sent in not long ago. Maybe a month ago or so.

Ok - he was found nearly 4 years ago. How long does it take and how can we find out?

[Fairy1]

His (Benjaman's) DNA sample was just sent in not long ago. Maybe a month ago or so.

Why just recently? Does this not send up a red flag to you?

[RKnowley]

Whatever the case may be, I myself intend on doing anything I possibly can to bring a resolution to Benjaman's case.

Why just recently? Does this not send up a red flag to you?

[Fairy1]

Whatever the case may be, I myself intend on doing anything I possibly can to bring a resolution to Benjaman's case.

Well you have certainly gone above and beyond with this case. As I said, I have submitted the 2 most likely matches I've seen on your side-by-side comparisons and I don't feel there's any more I can do at this point. I sincerely hope Benjaman finds where he belongs. I wish you the very best RKnowley. You do truly amazing things here...

[RKnowley]

POST #4

:confused: CO- Eugene Fish (Sable#2#91) I think he can be ruled out because his fingerprints are most likely on file and would have been checked against Benjaman's?
His DNA is available and would be checked against Benjaman's when his is ran.
http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t6193.html (http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t6193.html)

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=418.0;prev_next=prev <--this site says Eugene's DNA is available.

[RKnowley]

Thank you very much for submitting your 2 most likely matches. I appreciate it.

Well you have certainly gone above and beyond with this case. As I said, I have submitted the 2 most likely matches I've seen on your side-by-side comparisons and I don't feel there's any more I can do at this point. I sincerely hope Benjaman finds where he belongs. I wish you the very best RKnowley. You do truly amazing things here...

[believe09]

Hi-I spoke with the person who collected the sample of DNA from bk. BK's primary and mito were to be run in two separate places, and as soon as I find out from the person responsible for processing if that has been done, i will post.

On a personal note, although I understand and support everyone's ideas and opinions regarding this complicated case, I fully believe that Mr. Kyle has a desire to be identified, and to that end I am going to continue to invest my time and energy. I deeply appreciate any and all work towards his identification, even if it simply drive by opinions!!! You never know what will ultimately close this thread....
:blowkiss:to all, and peace.

[believe09]

This time I was given an actual contact name in Scottsdale, so I left a message...we will see what happens!

[christine2448]

Ok - he was found nearly 4 years ago. How long does it take and how can we find out?

We just had it taken in the last few months...Believe is keeping tabs on our cases that we have assisted with DNA...as mentioned, the swabs were done and sent to be processed then entered, IIRC, they have not yet been entered and compared.


I assure you, this case is real.

[InterestedNHelping]

Thanks believe, I have thought the similarities (I posted previously about this) with Douglas Mueller are uncanny to say the least, yet the case is long ago, which leads me to believe that there are people who DO NOT want to find him, for some unknown and speculative reason. Your work on this and several other cases with Christine is excellent, and RKnowley with you all is great...It's nice to see FACT searching folks working on this, as we all know we do not want to be deterred by way-layers, so to speak. I think, in my very personal opinion, that may bring some backlash; that Ben has some secrets,that may be piecing together for him, but not making sense, I think he knows more than he might realize. I have thought this from day one. I continue to work on this case via the sidelines, as only Douglas Mueller appears to be a similar match IMO. Love working with you all.

[believe09]

Thanks believe, I have thought the similarities (I posted previously about this) with Douglas Mueller are uncanny to say the least, yet the case is long ago, which leads me to believe that there are people who DO NOT want to find him, for some unknown and speculative reason. Your work on this and several other cases with Christine is excellent, and RKnowley with you all is great...It's nice to see FACT searching folks working on this, as we all know we do not want to be deterred by way-layers, so to speak. I think, in my very personal opinion, that may bring some backlash; that Ben has some secrets,that may be piecing together for him, but not making sense, I think he knows more than he might realize. I have thought this from day one. I continue to work on this case via the sidelines, as only Douglas Mueller appears to be a similar match IMO. Love working with you all.
:blowkiss: you are kind-RK is my mentor of sorts so I have to fully agree on that part!

[RKnowley]

I think this gentleman can be ruled out for sure as being BK. What does everyone else think? Should we copy him over to the those who can be ruled out for sure thread?


:confused: IA- Charles Elmquist (kaylenbabysims#1#176) Physical Disability??
Medical Conditions: Elmquist is disabled and requires assistance caring for himself.
http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39 (http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39)

http://charleyproject.org/cases/e/elmquist_charles.html

[RKnowley]

(((((believe))))) You have done so much work on Benjaman's case. You have gone above and beyond :blowkiss: Keep up the good work friend!

:blowkiss: you are kind-RK is my mentor of sorts so I have to fully agree on that part!

[believe09]

hey gang, based on the information given to me by the individual who processed the sample, there was no match when the DNA was run. Let me tell you why I think that and tell you why I do not know absolutely for sure yet:

-When an agency submits a sample, once the DNA (primary and mito) is entered into CODIS, the agency who submitted the sample will receive a letter indicating that the reference samples were entered. If there is NO ASSOCIATION, that is all the letter will say.

-If there was an association (hit), then included in the same letter is information regarding the other agency and the case information that corresponds to the hit.

-xxx of xxx PD received a letter about 2 weeks ago simply stating that the samples had been entered.

-Based on the above there was no hit.

-The source that processes the samples for us cannot tell lowly me whether or not there was a hit, so I requested xxx PD confirm for me the letter that was received. I think it is also telling that xxx asked me to take him out of the loop on the case because it is not his, lol. Really it belongs to another jurisdiction and he did the kit as a favor.

I will post when he double checks the letter and gets back to me.

huGS....

P.S. This will mean that any missing potentials who already have DNA in CODIS are ruled out....

[christine2448]

P.S. This will mean that any missing potentials who already have DNA in CODIS are ruled out....

Thanks beleive for keeping up on our DNA files!

NOW, peeps, believe is correct in if our potentials have DNA in CODIS, they can be ruled out....BUT, and that is a BIIIIIG BUTT....DO NOT GO BY WEBPAGES...if you have someone that is a potential....have someone call and CONFIRM DNA has been ENTERED INTO CODIS...this is very important. 90+ % of the cases I have investigated have incorrect info posted via net.

[RKnowley]

Christine, note that I have not moved any gentlemen over to the "Those who can be ruled out for sure" thread just because their information states that their DNA is in CODIS or available. I didn't move them because I do not know for certain their DNA is actually is in CODIS. That still needs verification. The ones that say that their DNA is available still have the little question mark dude next to their names :confused:

[christine2448]

Christine, note that I have not moved any gentlemen over to the "Those who can be ruled out for sure" thread just because their information states that their DNA is in CODIS or available. I didn't move them because I do not know for certain their DNA is actually is in CODIS. That still needs verification. The ones that say that their DNA is available still have the little question mark dude next to their names :confused:

:D

Maybe someone or 2 could volunteer to take the list and start calling LE on file and just ask that question? Then we can note DNA confirmed or not, and move on to ruling them out in other manners? If DNA confirmed, move em out.

Thoughts?

[believe09]

Douglas Alan Mueller may not be our guy-I spoke with Scottsdale for a while today (super nice SGT in charge of missing persons!) and they are pretty sure that Doug's prints are in APHIS because of previous unsavory activity if you read me. He (SGT) is calling or emailing me back with a definitive because he saw a card, but did not know if it was in APHIS for sure. He had a different middle name, so he is rechecking everything as well so we know for sure.....

[believe09]

is there a chance you can do a side by side for us on this gent?

http://doenetwork.org/cases/1374dmca.html

Lizza posted it on the other thread and I have had a few people who think there is enough of a resemblance to dig into it...I am a little curious as to whether or not that is a booking photo but I will defer to you more experienced folk...:blowkiss: in fact, is that a DL photo???

Believe

[RKnowley]

Yep, there is a chance (a good one too!) I can do a side by side for David Preston Hinds and BK. I think there is enough resemblance between the 2 that it should be fully investigated. So far, he's my fav for resembling Benjaman. I will have the side by side up in a few.

is there a chance you can do a side by side for us on this gent?

http://doenetwork.org/cases/1374dmca.html

Lizza posted it on the other thread and I have had a few people who think there is enough of a resemblance to dig into it...I am a little curious as to whether or not that is a booking photo but I will defer to you more experienced folk...:blowkiss: in fact, is that a DL photo???

Believe

[believe09]

Thanks-I love it...I will give them a call to see what they might have in the file. I found a little bit on Ancestry, and of course his missing info in a few spots...not much else so far. He may have a spouse...

Thanks!

[believe09]

Mr. Hinds has spent quite a bit of time in prison, so he would have popped up in an APHIS search...

[RKnowley]

Yes, he would have popped up in APHIS. Oh well, back to the drawing board, lol

Mr. Hinds has spent quite a bit of time in prison, so he would have popped up in an APHIS search...

[believe09]

The Sgt involved in his case notified me today that Douglas (our Douglas) does NOT have any prints on file in APHIS, or even a fingerprint card-the case files were mixed up. They are working on getting dentals and I am standing at the ready to get them a DNA kit since Douglas has relatives in the area....wow, huh?

[christine2448]

:clap: :clap: The Sgt involved in his case notified me today that Douglas (our Douglas) does NOT have any prints on file in APHIS, or even a fingerprint card-the case files were mixed up. They are working on getting dentals and I am standing at the ready to get them a DNA kit since Douglas has relatives in the area....wow, huh?:clap: :clap:

[RKnowley]

Very interesting! Keep us up to date on this one! Good work :blowkiss:

The Sgt involved in his case notified me today that Douglas (our Douglas) does NOT have any prints on file in APHIS, or even a fingerprint card-the case files were mixed up. They are working on getting dentals and I am standing at the ready to get them a DNA kit since Douglas has relatives in the area....wow, huh?

[Fairy1]

Great news! I'm sure they're busy - but I hope they hurry!!!! Douglas is still my #1 pick for Benjamin.

[RKnowley]

Just bumping!

[believe09]

Another possible as I browse through the Charley project...

Stanley L. Post; last seen on his motor boat and not heard from again. What intrigues me is that BK's cataracts might have been caused by long term exposure to sea and sun...
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americas/03/28/brazil.teen.ap/index.html

[RKnowley]

I think this is the link you wanted to post for Stanley L Post?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/post_stanley.html

[believe09]

I think this is the link you wanted to post for Stanley L Post?

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/post_stanley.html

Umm-yeah...gotta drink more coffee or get more sleep, lol!! Thanks, RK:blowkiss:

[Fairy1]

I know it's probably not - but sure seems like a loooooong time for the Douglas Mueller info. No word yet?

[bamabeauty]

Hi. I am new to was. I discovered it a couple of weeks ago and have just been reading. This is my first post. I read this thread and later was thumbing through John Walshes book No Mercy and came across a picture of wanted fugitive Vernon Henry. He looks like BK to me. same nose. hair color and height and weight match but says eyes are blue.Vernon killed his wife and daughter and has been on the run since Aug 96. I may be way off but the two looked alike to me. Here is a link to a site offering a reward for vernon Henry's capture.

http://www.ruralnorthwest.com/artman/publish/article_6034.shtml

[Sable]

According to DoeNetwork: "Darrell Wayne Austrew (1649DMTX) has been located deceased (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/located.html)."

[believe09]

According to DoeNetwork: "Darrell Wayne Austrew (1649DMTX) has been located deceased (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/located.html)."

I would like to take a moment to commend a fellow WS'er HeidiK who ran this lead through to the end. Congratulations on your invaluable assistance in helping a family retrieve their loved one!!! We hope to do the same for Mr. Kyle and his family.

Peace to you, Mr. Austrew, and your family.

[JulieR]

RKnowley - please, please, please don't discount Mueller based on age and hair color. Of all side-by-sides - I believe Douglas and BK bear the most striking resemblance. As I've mentioned, hair color - particulary blonde - changes over time. Look at the nose and chin. I realize that Douglas may seem too young. But if you consider what may have taken place in the 32 years or so since Douglas went missing, it is possible. I wish there was more info on Douglas. The only other possible match I would consider is:
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

Just my 2 cents.....I have to agree they really look alike!!! I think this should be looked at in more detail.

[believe09]

Just my 2 cents.....I have to agree they really look alike!!! I think this should be looked at in more detail.
It has been looked at in more detail-Douglas has prints in the system and the detective I spoke to was sure they had his body....they are having some trouble getting DNA from the remains...

[Dolphinmomcca]

I really think he looks like an older version of Douglas Mueller (its in the first set of side by sides) I have popped on here a few times, and wondered if anyone can tell me hes been ruled out?? The "laughing" eyes are what got me......they have the same expression......and definitly looks like an older and then younger version.

(sorry, edited to add I didnt see that Douglas may be deceased, but what if...........)

[believe09]

Hi guys-I just went back through my notes and voice mails-all of you who continue to bring him up as a rule in or rule out are quite correct-there were NO prints in AFIS because there were two files mixed together in Scottsdale. I passed the information to FBI Bill this morning via email and vm as worth pursuing. If I get a chance, I am going to call Scottsdale and see if they located a relative of Doug's to swab for DNA.

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

[Fairy1]

Hi guys-I just went back through my notes and voice mails-all of you who continue to bring him up as a rule in or rule out are quite correct-there were NO prints in AFIS because there were two files mixed together in Scottsdale. I passed the information to FBI Bill this morning via email and vm as worth pursuing. If I get a chance, I am going to call Scottsdale and see if they located a relative of Doug's to swab for DNA.

:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:


:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss: Thank you, believe! I still believe Douglas is a viable possibility! Fingers crossed!

[believe09]

As sure as a lot of us are that Douglas is a good candidate, I haven't heard back from BK himself. I did contact FBI Bill and he thinks it is worth pursuing via DNA swab, but he would rather push for the Dr P show to be aired this month since the DNA would take at least 6 weeks to get processed....He's the boss in the end :rolleyes:

[NSC]

Hi, I am just reading this all...and I wanted to say I am so impressed with all of your work. True Angels!!!!

[BenFranklin]

I don't know if this has been suggested before - but perhaps Benjamin Kyle should take a genealogical DNA test and if he's lucky - he'll find out what family he is from.

Of course I'm assuming he doesn't know his real last name - if that isn't the case - sorry.

[believe09]

I don't know if this has been suggested before - but perhaps Benjamin Kyle should take a genealogical DNA test and if he's lucky - he'll find out what family he is from.

Of course I'm assuming he doesn't know his real last name - if that isn't the case - sorry.

OH MY-Inspired. GREAT IDEA.

I wonder if Ancestry would sponsor him since he isn't looking for conventional reasons????

[Boyz_Mum]

Has BK been compared to Roger Ellison? http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/ellison_roger.html

I've been reading through the links and couldn't find this name in a thread search.

I am only asking because this young man was missing from Colorado and presumed dead- but I haven't found anything to verify his death.

Roger Ellison may be too young to be BK, height is close. What caught my eye was the similarity in the structure of the nose.

[passionategray]

I was wondering, I am definitely a newbie when it comes to sleuthing, but Douglas Mueller seems like the most likely match to me simply based off of the side by side comparisons. But they have Mueller's dentals... and we are still waiting to hear the rest?

I see that remains were mentioned, has it been determined if they are Mueller's remains?

Sorry, like I said, I'm new at this and I haven't even begun to read all the info that you guys have up here... still working on it. :)

[dreamweaver]

What about using Codis to run BK's dna to match anyone who might be in the Codis system?
link: article on this subject:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/genetics/2006-08-22-dna-partial-matches_x.htm

http://dna-view.com/FindingRelatives.htm

[cacnotcam]

Has BK been compared to Roger Ellison? http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/ellison_roger.html

I've been reading through the links and couldn't find this name in a thread search.

I am only asking because this young man was missing from Colorado and presumed dead- but I haven't found anything to verify his death.

Roger Ellison may be too young to be BK, height is close. What caught my eye was the similarity in the structure of the nose.

Personally, it does not jump out as me as a match. This big one would be the shoe size. 13 is large! Even over time that is not going to really change if RE feet were a 13 at his age of dissapearance, which I think was 17.

[Boyz_Mum]

Personally, it does not jump out as me as a match. This big one would be the shoe size. 13 is large! Even over time that is not going to really change if RE feet were a 13 at his age of dissapearance, which I think was 17.

Thanks for your opinion. After more reading and seeing BK- this boy would be too young. The nose in the lower picture just stood out to me.

Thanks again!

[angelwngs]

I don't know if this has been suggested before - but perhaps Benjamin Kyle should take a genealogical DNA test and if he's lucky - he'll find out what family he is from.

Of course I'm assuming he doesn't know his real last name - if that isn't the case - sorry.

I told my husband that as we were watching Dr. Phil... We had my family line's genealogical DNA test done and the cost was virtually nothing considering that matching him to a family history would be so very beneficial to him. I think our 12 marker test was around $100.00. It can determine his father's last name. From there I can do genealogical research online pretty easily.

Christine, Whooo Hooooo....Believe....anyone....Is there someone listening...who can get in touch with BK and suggest this option to help narrow the search. :confused:

[cacnotcam]

I told my husband that as we were watching Dr. Phil... We had my family line's genealogical DNA test done and the cost was virtually nothing considering that matching him to a family history would be so very beneficial to him. I think our 12 marker test was around $100.00. It can determine his father's last name. From there I can do genealogical research online pretty easily.

Christine, Whooo Hooooo....Believe....anyone....Is there someone listening...who can get in touch with BK and suggest this option to help narrow the search. :confused:

Oh! That would be great!!

[believe09]

I told my husband that as we were watching Dr. Phil... We had my family line's genealogical DNA test done and the cost was virtually nothing considering that matching him to a family history would be so very beneficial to him. I think our 12 marker test was around $100.00. It can determine his father's last name. From there I can do genealogical research online pretty easily.

Christine, Whooo Hooooo....Believe....anyone....Is there someone listening...who can get in touch with BK and suggest this option to help narrow the search. :confused:

Yes-whoo-hoo, lol!!! I love the idea...I think I stated that a few back. I am going to kick it to FBI Bill-there has to be a way for us to be able to avoid the fee....jmo.

[jantel74]

I think he looks a lot like Vernon Henry too. Plus Vernon Henry was last seen on I 95 heading northbound from Idaho. I would have to look at a map to see where he might be heading. I don't want to believe BK could be VH though. Yikes!

[Boyz_Mum]

I think he looks a lot like Vernon Henry too. Plus Vernon Henry was last seen on I 95 heading northbound from Idaho. I would have to look at a map to see where he might be heading. I don't want to believe BK could be VH though. Yikes!

Vernon Henry (on AMW) is said to have brown eyes. BK has blue eyes, right?

[amethyst]

I looked on the Dr Phil board to see what people were saying and they mentioned several people one of which was a Tom Dewey. I checked out the website which was just a memorial page and no info but did look like BK. Then I found a Steve Dewey missing person who has some similarities to BK. Blue eyes, 5'11", weight 185 and he went missing 8-3-2004 while windsurfing around the Canary Islands I think. Has he been ruled out already?

[amethyst]

There sure are alot of people that look like Benjamin. I feel like I should know him!

[amethyst]

Ok I saw steve Dewey on the comparison thread so nevermind.

[DawnTCB]

Steve Dewey is still my favorite match.

The timing, the circumstances, and Indiana/Colorado connection plus the really similar features has had me hooked for a year now.

I understand BK feels it is not him.

[SeriouslySearching]

Funny you should mention him as I was thinking of him a few minutes ago. I have always felt he was a strong possibility, but others seem to have ruled him out. I wish they would do actual testing against Dewey to be certain.

[DawnTCB]

Wanted to add, the length of time Steve Dewey would have been in the sun, probably unconscious, if BK is him, would surely explain the cataracts better than any explanation I have heard so far.

[believe09]

Wanted to add, the length of time Steve Dewey would have been in the sun, probably unconscious, if BK is him, would surely explain the cataracts better than any explanation I have heard so far.


BK was 252lbs when found according to NB-that is pretty impressive weight gain from when Steve was last seen to when BK was found, JMO.

Aside from that I am certain the Dewey family has been contacted multiple times-we have a poster who was PM'ing communications with the Dewey family IIRC. I will try to comb the threads to find out.

Perhaps if the Dewey family does not mind, we can just post some of the correspondence on the board to rule Mr. Dewey in or out???

[MaconChange]

Wanted to add, the length of time Steve Dewey would have been in the sun, probably unconscious, if BK is him, would surely explain the cataracts better than any explanation I have heard so far.

This is copied from the original Savannah Morning News article (first post about Benjaman Kyle)....

"According to the paramedics' reports, three depressions showed on the right side of Kyle's head, which could have come from blows delivered with a blunt object. The report also indicated Kyle was unconscious but breathing when he was found, and that he was sweaty. Prolonged exposure to the sun had left him blinded."
http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

[MaconChange]

BK was 252lbs when found according to NB-that is pretty impressive weight gain from when Steve was last seen to when BK was found, JMO.

Aside from that I am certain the Dewey family has been contacted multiple times-we have a poster who was PM'ing communications with the Dewey family IIRC. I will try to comb the threads to find out.

Perhaps if the Dewey family does not mind, we can just post some of the correspondence on the board to rule Mr. Dewey in or out???


This is copied from the original Savannah Morning News article (first post about Benjaman Kyle)....

"Do you know HIM?
The man who calls himself Benjaman Kyle is trying to learn his real identity. He is in his late 50s to early 60s, stands about 5-foot-11 and weighs 240 pounds." (this was in 2007)
http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

[believe09]

This is copied from the original Savannah Morning News article (first post about Benjaman Kyle)....

"Do you know HIM?
The man who calls himself Benjaman Kyle is trying to learn his real identity. He is in his late 50s to early 60s, stands about 5-foot-11 and weighs 240 pounds." (this was in 2007)
http://savannahnow.com/node/364434


Thank you, MC-NB said in conversation yesterday that he was 252 lbs when found and has told me in the past that he lost some weight since being found...he is currently in the 240's if I read my notes correctly.

Steve Dewey went missing from the Caymans on August 4th 2004 and was at last report 185lbs, I think if I am reading all of the posts right. Sorry to be stuck on this point, but how do you go from 185 to 240's-252 in three weeks if there is no bloating because of medication etc??? JMO.

[believe09]

This is copied from the original Savannah Morning News article (first post about Benjaman Kyle)....

"According to the paramedics' reports, three depressions showed on the right side of Kyle's head, which could have come from blows delivered with a blunt object. The report also indicated Kyle was unconscious but breathing when he was found, and that he was sweaty. Prolonged exposure to the sun had left him blinded."
http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

Yup, that is the theory around his cataracts-however if you go to the way backs of the threads, lol, you will see active discussions regarding if this was indeed possible.

So-here we are again-is it possible for the cataracts to have formed strictly during the time of his injury and rescue or were they forming prior to his injury....Why do I continue to discuss it? I think it is one of the tools to use to find out who he is.

[believe09]

Steve Dewey is still my favorite match.

The timing, the circumstances, and Indiana/Colorado connection plus the really similar features has had me hooked for a year now.

I understand BK feels it is not him.

Funny you should mention him as I was thinking of him a few minutes ago. I have always felt he was a strong possibility, but others seem to have ruled him out. I wish they would do actual testing against Dewey to be certain.

This is copied from the original Savannah Morning News article (first post about Benjaman Kyle)....

"Do you know HIM?
The man who calls himself Benjaman Kyle is trying to learn his real identity. He is in his late 50s to early 60s, stands about 5-foot-11 and weighs 240 pounds." (this was in 2007)
http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

I found this on another BK thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58460&highlight=steve+dewey&page=14
Post 343
Macon Change wrote-
okie22,
I contacted Steve Dewey's family last year. PM me for more information.


Macon did the family indicate that they though Mr. Kyle was Steve?

TIA...

[SeriouslySearching]

The medical records should clear that up, too. Where did the intial story get 240 lbs. then?

[SeriouslySearching]

Believe09 said: Yup, that is the theory around his cataracts-however if you go to the way backs of the threads, lol, you will see active discussions regarding if this was indeed possible.

So-here we are again-is it possible for the cataracts to have formed strictly during the time of his injury and rescue or were they forming prior to his injury....Why do I continue to discuss it? I think it is one of the tools to use to find out who he is. I can almost assure there have been no studies on any human lost at sea for an extended period of time who also laid with his eyes opened in the sunlight. There is no way to know for certain what caused the cataracts, imo. I don't think we can use standard medical reasoning for this issue. I don't know that it really is that important since it cannot be proven one way or the other what caused the cataracts.

Bloating doesn't just come from medication and there could be a discrepancy with either man's weight at the time.

[MaconChange]

Thank you, MC-NB said in conversation yesterday that he was 252 lbs when found and has told me in the past that he lost some weight since being found...he is currently in the 240's if I read my notes correctly.

Steve Dewey went missing from the Caymans on August 4th 2004 and was at last report 185lbs, I think if I am reading all of the posts right. Sorry to be stuck on this point, but how do you go from 185 to 240's-252 in three weeks if there is no bloating because of medication etc??? JMO.

I totally agree, but also I know that people don't always report their correct weight for DL. My license shows my weight from 25 years ago because each time I get it renewed, they just transfer the weight from the previous license. They have never once actually weighed me.

[believe09]

I can almost assure there have been no studies on any human lost at sea for an extended period of time who also laid with his eyes opened in the sunlight. There is no way to know for certain what caused the cataracts, imo. I don't think we can use standard medical reasoning for this issue. I don't know that it really is that important since it cannot be proven one way or the other what caused the cataracts.

Bloating doesn't just come from medication.

:waitasec:

Ok- Let me change my question-what would cause a human beings weight to change from approx 185 to EITHER 240 or 252 depending on the resource you believe?

[believe09]

I totally agree, but also I know that people don't always report their correct weight for DL. My license shows my weight from 25 years ago because each time I get it renewed, they just transfer the weight from the previous license. They have never once actually weighed me.

Ah ha-so Steve's data may be incorrect on all of the reports about him.


Does Steve Dewey's family think BK is Steve?

[SeriouslySearching]

The resemblance is still uncanny, imo.

Having been written off as missing at sea, deceased without proof, or otherwise having the family given up on finding him is a possible explanation why no one has come forward to claim him. We can't overlook this either.

[believe09]

The resemblance is still uncanny, imo.

Having been written off as missing at sea, deceased without proof, or otherwise having the family given up on finding him is a possible explanation why no one has come forward to claim him. We can't overlook this either.

Do you think he is Steve Dewey?

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah ha-so Steve's data may be incorrect on all of the reports about him.


Does Steve Dewey's family think BK is Steve?How would you feel if someone contacted you off the internet to say your father may be alive after being declared dead? Would you seriously entertain the idea? Or would you be like most people and chalk it up to crazy talk? I would find it ridiculous and walk away to prevent being duped.

I had no contact with his family. However, wouldn't testing be the only way to insure it isn't him since they never found him?

[believe09]

How would you feel if someone contacted you off the internet to say your father may be alive after being declared dead? Would you seriously entertain the idea? Or would you be like most people and chalk it up to crazy talk? I would find it ridiculous and walk away to prevent being duped.

I had no contact with his family. However, wouldn't testing be the only way to insure it isn't him since they never found him?


:confused:

Macon has had contact with the family-do they think he is Steve? I mean this has been kicking around for a long time-I don't think he is Steve, but run with what you think!!!

As far as contacting family regarding missing persons, I never think that is a good idea. Ever. I am a fan of working with LE and letting them decide. There is LE contact information for Steve, IIRC and there is clearly contact information for BK. If you go back on the threads ruling people in and out you will see that this is what we did-we discussed differences that we saw and if you felt strongly about a possible match you checked with LE to see what they thought or if they had hold back information in the file like a tattoo, deafness, club foot and the like.

[MaconChange]

Thanks for posting this MC!!! :)

Do you know if the daughters are bio-daughters of Steve's?

This correspondence was with Steve's sister-in-law, so the daughters she's referring to would be Steve's neices.

[believe09]

This correspondence was with Steve's sister-in-law, so the daughters she's referring to would be Steve's neices.

:crazy: I need more coffee...

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow! I guess we aren't off on the uncanny resemblance thing then, are we?! If the family had to question it so much, I think testing is the only way to conclusively rule him out.

[Patty G]

I am fairly new to searching out Benjamin and when I looked at Steve Dewey's picture to Benjamin's, no close match in my eyes.

[SeriouslySearching]

Did you carefully look at the second photo, Patty? Also the one Dimples did of the layover?

[amethyst]

I have noticed that people who have experienced extreme situations like car accidents and beatings and other horrific things don't always look quite like they did previous to their injuries. Also, a change in the voice could possibly be caused by damage to the vocal chords. Though I think Patty is right and that it's not a perfect match I do believe they should match dna to be conclusive one way or another.

[believe09]

I have noticed that people who have experienced extreme situations like car accidents and beatings and other horrific things don't always look quite like they did previous to their injuries. Also, a change in the voice could possibly be caused by damage to the vocal chords. Though I think Patty is right and that it's not a perfect match I do believe they should match dna to be conclusive one way or another.


I understand what you all are saying, but if the family does not think it is a match then :confused:

[amethyst]

I understand what you all are saying, but if the family does not think it is a match then :confused:

The fact that they had to think about it and some said yes and some said no tells me that there might be a chance. Just wishfull thinking on my part I guess.:crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

I understand what you all are saying, but if the family does not think it is a match then :confused:I think you are missing the point. If the family had to contemplate so much on it then it should have been taken a step further with additional information given on both sides and LE notified as to it being a possibility. Just because limited information was available at the time to give to the family, Steve was not given a real chance to be ruled in or out as BK. No offense to Benjaman, but we can't really rely on him saying it is not him and we can't rely on the family looking at a few photos of a man having gone through what BK has to compare.

Again, the only way to do this is through LE and testing. LE has BK's DNA and this should be done through them to give both BK and Steve's family the opportunity to be certain one way or the other. To say it isn't him only from looking at the few photos we had and little information isn't fair to anyone, imo. It is serious for them as their loved one has been presumed to be dead which creates other issues. They may be quite afraid to entertain that he could still be alive.

[believe09]

I think you are missing the point. If the family had to contemplate so much on it then it should have been taken a step further with additional information given on both sides and LE notified as to it being a possibility. Just because limited information was available at the time to give to the family, Steve was not given a real chance to be ruled in or out as BK. No offense to Benjaman, but we can't really rely on him saying it is not him and we can't rely on the family looking at a few photos of a man having gone through what BK has to compare.

Again, the only way to do this is through LE and testing. LE has BK's DNA and this should be done through them to give both BK and Steve's family the opportunity to be certain one way or the other. To say it isn't him only from looking at the few photos we had and little information isn't fair to anyone, imo. It is serious for them as their loved one has been presumed to be dead which creates other issues. They may be quite afraid to entertain that he could still be alive.


OH-hold up-I think I have been very patient all day with this-in YOUR opinion the family was waffling...if they thought it was a real possibility do you honestly believe they would have left any stone unturned? Would you? And if you chose not to pursue it as a family, would you like to be forced into ruling it out because a bunch of strangers over the internet think that you should?

Read your own words, SS, it is serious for THEM.

Peace.

[MissOtk]

How would you feel if someone contacted you off the internet to say your father may be alive after being declared dead? Would you seriously entertain the idea? Or would you be like most people and chalk it up to crazy talk? I would find it ridiculous and walk away to prevent being duped.

I had no contact with his family. However, wouldn't testing be the only way to insure it isn't him since they never found him?

If they were contacting me from Websleuths, I would ABSOLUTELY entertain the idea. Not only would I entertain it, I would want to know each and every word they had to say. No way would I walk away from that.

[Patty G]

Did you carefully look at the second photo, Patty? Also the one Dimples did of the layover?

Yes I did, I looked at everything carefully.

[believe09]

If they were contacting me from Websleuths, I would ABSOLUTELY entertain the idea. Not only would I entertain it, I would want to know each and every word they had to say. No way would I walk away from that.

Supportive post, lol, but sleuthers make mistakes too.

It is not the policy of WS to approach family directly with tips simply because of the issue of false hope, at least I thought? Like Patty G and others, I do not think this is Steve. In any case, reading Macon's correspondence with Steve's relatives shows that they were certainly thrown into an uproar for quite some time after the information was sent. Now if it had gone LE to LE perhaps files would have been exchanged, fingerprints compared etc before the family was notified. It may have already been done.

If you feel strongly BK is Steve, why argue about it with me? Call LE and see if it has been checked out...let us know what the results are so we can set it aside or not.

[Patty G]

This is the site where I looked at the pictures of Steve Dewey this morning.
http://www.steve-dewey.com/

Not sure if this site is listed here anywhere, but I promise, I'll get caught up as I am behind a year or so since this started here.

Do we have a place to just put the websites we searched?

I did this website between yesterday and today - http://www.doenetwork.org/ under "Index to Unexplained Disappearances". This covers all over the world and ~5600 photos listed.

The closest I got was: Jacek Zuk http://www.doenetwork.org/ BUY he has brownish/green eyes and is 2" shorter. :(

[MaconChange]

Supportive post, lol, but sleuthers make mistakes too.

It is not the policy of WS to approach family directly with tips simply because of the issue of false hope, at least I thought? Like Patty G and others, I do not think this is Steve. In any case, reading Macon's correspondence with Steve's relatives shows that they were certainly thrown into an uproar for quite some time after the information was sent. Now if it had gone LE to LE perhaps files would have been exchanged, fingerprints compared etc before the family was notified. It may have already been done.

If you feel strongly BK is Steve, why argue about it with me? Call LE and see if it has been checked out...let us know what the results are so we can set it aside or not.

Just so you all know.....I waited ample time after contacting FBI, Richmond PD, and Savannah Morning News and getting no responses before deciding to contact Steve Dewey's family. They weren't in an uproar, rather VERY excited and appreciative to hear from me. You should also know that I didn't post every single word from my e-mails with the SNL. There was more information shared with me that I would never post publicly.

This has nothing to do with the above statement, but suppose the spouse left behind has already moved on, found someone else (three years later), and finds out her husband just might be alive. She would more than likely be in denial.

[believe09]

Just so you all know.....I waited ample time after contacting FBI, Richmond PD, and Savannah Morning News and getting no responses before deciding to contact Steve Dewey's family. They weren't in an uproar, rather VERY excited and appreciative to hear from me. You should also know that I didn't post every single word from my e-mails with the SNL. There was more information shared with me that I would never post publicly.

This has nothing to do with the above statement, but suppose the spouse left behind has already moved on, found someone else (three years later), and finds out her husband just might be alive. She would more than likely be in denial.


I am not criticizing your sleuthing, MC :blowkiss:. I am sharing what I was told as a newbie.

If the information you posted does not represent what you intended, and that the family is unsure, please let us know. I read it to say that after deliberation, they decided it was not Steve. I am not in their shoes, and I do not know how difficult it may be to decide whether or not they want to know if the person being brought to their attention is their missing loved one....whatever the reason.

There was a very good candidate for MJD before she was ID'd, Michaela Garecht. Michaela's mother was bombarded by WS'ers asking her to look at the morgue photo, and she finally did God Bless her. She said it was not Michaela. There were many on the board that did not want to let it go, as was their right....they absolutely refused to believe it was NOT Michaela. For me personally, it was a lesson learned because although I did not think MJD was Michaela, I never ever wanted to be a part of putting someone through that if there was another approach available.

So I learned to be very, very persistent with LE. ;) That's just me.

I can tell you this much from my experience with BK-if you get a viable lead to FBI Bill, he will get back to you. If you give him something he has already seen, he may not.

[SeriouslySearching]

OH-hold up-I think I have been very patient all day with this-in YOUR opinion the family was waffling...if they thought it was a real possibility do you honestly believe they would have left any stone unturned? Would you? And if you chose not to pursue it as a family, would you like to be forced into ruling it out because a bunch of strangers over the internet think that you should?

Read your own words, SS, it is serious for THEM.

Peace.WOAH! This was the first day I had heard about any of that with Steve's family and I am sorry I have overstepped my boundaries!! I thought we were interested in truly finding out who this man was and you were the connection to all of that. I will let you continue on however you choose.

My suggestion was only to allow LE to pursue it!

[believe09]

WOAH! This was the first day I had heard about any of that with Steve's family and I am sorry I have overstepped my boundaries!! I thought you were interested in truly finding out who this man was and were the connection to all of that. I will let you continue on however you choose. My suggestion was to allow LE to pursue it!

Against my better judgment I will respond to this because I will not let anyone imply that I have no interest in finding out the identity of someone that I have spent more hours than I can remember searching for and many a late night phone call with- You are entitled to your opinion regarding Steve Dewey who has been very effectively ruled out, IMO and my opinion only.

[SeriouslySearching]

WOAH! This was the first day I had heard about any of that with Steve's family and I am sorry I have overstepped my boundaries!! I thought we were interested in truly finding out who this man was and you were the connection to all of that. I will let you continue on however you choose.

My suggestion was only to allow LE to pursue it!I mispoke on that post by accident and I changed it while you were quoting it. However, Mr. Dewey has not been effectively ruled out, imo. I would hate it terribly if a mistake were made at this juncture and BK missed an opportunity to find his true identity because it wasn't pursued by the right channels.

[cacnotcam]

I feel badly for the Dewey family but I don't see anything but a fleeting similarity IMO. I have been studying BK's face for a long time now and I can just tell that even if "time" or trauma had somehow changed his appearance, they still are not the same man.

[MissOtk]

Supportive post, lol, but sleuthers make mistakes too.

It is not the policy of WS to approach family directly with tips simply because of the issue of false hope, at least I thought? Like Patty G and others, I do not think this is Steve. In any case, reading Macon's correspondence with Steve's relatives shows that they were certainly thrown into an uproar for quite some time after the information was sent. Now if it had gone LE to LE perhaps files would have been exchanged, fingerprints compared etc before the family was notified. It may have already been done.

If you feel strongly BK is Steve, why argue about it with me? Call LE and see if it has been checked out...let us know what the results are so we can set it aside or not.

Did I miss something? What was it about the opinion I stated above made you think I was arguing with you? Or, that I believe BK is Steve (I dont). Was this post meant for someone else?

[believe09]

Did I miss something? What was it about the opinion I stated above made you think I was arguing with you? Or, that I believe BK is Steve (I dont). Was this post meant for someone else?

Yup my bad and tiredness....I combined two posts.

[Fairy1]

Ok - Douglas Meuller is still my first choice but.....there's something about this fellow too:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/d/defoe_douglas.html

He may be too young to be Benjaman, but there are a lot of similarities. Just so little information to go on. I realize that the height is off, but I don't put too much stock in that! The biggest negative to me is that Douglas Defoe looks so, uh, angry, and Benjaman's face is so kind. :confused:

[reefshadow]

I mispoke on that post by accident and I changed it while you were quoting it. However, Mr. Dewey has not been effectively ruled out, imo. I would hate it terribly if a mistake were made at this juncture and BK missed an opportunity to find his true identity because it wasn't pursued by the right channels.

I agree with you even though I'm certain BK isn't Steve.

They should rule him out via dentals or DNA simply to give the family 100 percent closure. Otherwise if BK is never identified they will always wonder.

[Julessleuther]

I did a search and did not see this guys name come up. I KNOW he is alittle young, compared to the age time frame, but his pic looks SO much like the younger pic of BK that Dr. Phil came out with last week. Is there any possibility that BK is younger?

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200604168S


This guy is interesting too-the photo is not clear, but he does have a similar nose:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/post_stanley.html

This guy has a similar nose and chin:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humphrey_gary.html

[Voice4theSilent]

I did a search and did not see this guys name come up. I KNOW he is alittle young, compared to the age time frame, but his pic looks SO much like the younger pic of BK that Dr. Phil came out with last week. Is there any possibility that BK is younger?

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200604168S


This guy is interesting too-the photo is not clear, but he does have a similar nose:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/post_stanley.html

This guy has a similar nose and chin:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humphrey_gary.html

IMO - The first guy is listed as 6'2 inches tall which I think may be too tall (and since he was young when he went missing, I assume they probably had a pretty accurate height on him.)

The pictures are of such low quality on the other two that I can't make a determination.

O/T = Why are so many of the pictures such low quality? Surely if someone in my family went missing I could find a way to come up with a better quality picture than so many of the ones I have seen on some of these Missing Persons sites...even people who went missing not too long ago. Also, posting several pictures on these sites of missing people would be helpful....especially when looking at BK's photos....IMO he looks so different in each of them. Sorry about the rant!

[believe09]

IMO - The first guy is listed as 6'2 inches tall which I think may be too tall (and since he was young when he went missing, I assume they probably had a pretty accurate height on him.)

The pictures are of such low quality on the other two that I can't make a determination.

O/T = Why are so many of the pictures such low quality? Surely if someone in my family went missing I could find a way to come up with a better quality picture than so many of the ones I have seen on some of these Missing Persons sites...even people who went missing not too long ago. Also, posting several pictures on these sites of missing people would be helpful....especially when looking at BK's photos....IMO he looks so different in each of them. Sorry about the rant!

I don't know if I could say the same-the only reason why is that for example I am a single parent who lives and breathes my lovelies, but I do not stop and take pictures...it is just one of those things-camera is broken and life goes on LOL. Another theory of mine starts with the "front end" work on a missing person's case-what does LE ask for? A photo and a statement of circumstances around the disappearance...if there is no obvious sign of foul play, I think they hope the person especially an adult will eventually turn up. As time passes and based on the persistence of the family, I think then maybe multiple photos might be collected, hair, fingerprints, DNA. JMO...

[Julessleuther]

My thinking on the height is that I had heard that as people age, they lose height. Does anyone know if that is true from an anthropological standpoint?

IMO - The first guy is listed as 6'2 inches tall which I think may be too tall (and since he was young when he went missing, I assume they probably had a pretty accurate height on him.)

The pictures are of such low quality on the other two that I can't make a determination.

O/T = Why are so many of the pictures such low quality? Surely if someone in my family went missing I could find a way to come up with a better quality picture than so many of the ones I have seen on some of these Missing Persons sites...even people who went missing not too long ago. Also, posting several pictures on these sites of missing people would be helpful....especially when looking at BK's photos....IMO he looks so different in each of them. Sorry about the rant!

[believe09]

My thinking on the height is that I had heard that as people age, they lose height. Does anyone know if that is true from an anthropological standpoint?

Yes you can-the rule of thumb I use, FWIW, when going through these listings are if there are other compelling features, height is not necessarily a deal breaker if it is within a few inches because so many of the listings on Doe etc...contain some inaccurate information. They can be some one's best guess at the time.

For those who have not called in a match before::

If there are other things that make this a possible, the steps we take are to call the LE contact listed and explain that you are working for an online community that helps to locate the missing. You can ask if there are prints in AFIS, DNA in CODIS for the missing person and explain that you are trying to match him to an amnesia victim in GA. If there are NOT prints in AFIS or DNA in CODIS already, check for a print card. Ask if the detective has additional photos that show a better picture of the missing person; I have had detectives scan them and send them to me via email. Scars, tattoos or other holdback information is also good to check out.

If after you speak to the detective, nothing definitively rules the person out, you can give them FBI Bill's contact information as well as BK's DoeNetwork number and they can check in with him to see if their missing case is a likely match.

LE for the most part LOVES the help-they do not have time to run down every missing person in their files, so it helps to clear cases for them...you will find them receptive. I have never, ever had anyone give me a hard time!

Good luck and let us know!

[Voice4theSilent]

I don't know if I could say the same-the only reason why is that for example I am a single parent who lives and breathes my lovelies, but I do not stop and take pictures...it is just one of those things-camera is broken and life goes on LOL. Another theory of mine starts with the "front end" work on a missing person's case-what does LE ask for? A photo and a statement of circumstances around the disappearance...if there is no obvious sign of foul play, I think they hope the person especially an adult will eventually turn up. As time passes and based on the persistence of the family, I think then maybe multiple photos might be collected, hair, fingerprints, DNA. JMO...

Seriously though....if your loved one went missing you could find a better picture than the one that is posted for the second link above, right? :eek:

[Julessleuther]

So you think I should call these two in?

Yes you can-the rule of thumb I use, FWIW, when going through these listings are if there are other compelling features, height is not necessarily a deal breaker if it is within a few inches because so many of the listings on Doe etc...contain some inaccurate information. They can be some one's best guess at the time.

For those who have not called in a match before::

If there are other things that make this a possible, the steps we take are to call the LE contact listed and explain that you are working for an online community that helps to locate the missing. You can ask if there are prints in AFIS, DNA in CODIS for the missing person and explain that you are trying to match him to an amnesia victim in GA. If there are NOT prints in AFIS or DNA in CODIS already, check for a print card. Ask if the detective has additional photos that show a better picture of the missing person; I have had detectives scan them and send them to me via email. Scars, tattoos or other holdback information is also good to check out.

If after you speak to the detective, nothing definitively rules the person out, you can give them FBI Bill's contact information as well as BK's DoeNetwork number and they can check in with him to see if their missing case is a likely match.

LE for the most part LOVES the help-they do not have time to run down every missing person in their files, so it helps to clear cases for them...you will find them receptive. I have never, ever had anyone give me a hard time!

Good luck and let us know!

[believe09]

So you think I should call these two in?

Sure! Keep us posted!

BTW, if the files do not indicate that the missing person has DNA on file in CODIS and LE would like to get it entered, let me know and I will get a free kit out to the agency through the DOJ initiative...

[believe09]

Seriously though....if your loved one went missing you could find a better picture than the one that is posted for the second link above, right? :eek:

Only if I can figure out how to transfer it from my cell phone....:blowkiss:

[Julessleuther]

Ok--we can rule out the first guy, Patrick Ross. LE said that they have compared DNA and there is no match.

I did a search and did not see this guys name come up. I KNOW he is alittle young, compared to the age time frame, but his pic looks SO much like the younger pic of BK that Dr. Phil came out with last week. Is there any possibility that BK is younger?

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200604168S


This guy is interesting too-the photo is not clear, but he does have a similar nose:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/post_stanley.html

This guy has a similar nose and chin:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humphrey_gary.html

[believe09]

Ok--we can rule out the first guy, Patrick Ross. LE said that they have compared DNA and there is no match.

GREAT Job...another one ruled out.

[believe09]

We have some action on Douglas Mueller-what I mean is that there is more information available it appears, and it is in the process of being sorted out between the family and LE. It may mean more pictures-I am not exactly sure yet, but I will post all that I know as soon as I can....

[dreamweaver]

Has this man been compared to Benjaman Kyle?
http://www.summitdaily.com/article/20060723/NEWS/107230050

Eugene Fish, retired federal employee, disappeared June 2004 from Co. home.
He has never accessed bank accounts or his monthly pension of over $4000.00.
Speculation in news articles is that his wife could be involved in his disappearnce.I could not find any info on him on missing adults sites.
I found this news article by searching for disappearances, co, 2004.

[dreamweaver]

fyi:
Picture of Eugene Fish in link posted about Mr Fish.
Sorry I could not bring picture over to post it here.
Maybe someone with more computer savvy than I have could do that.
Thank you.

There are similarities in the face, but side by side pictures are so much easier to determine any possibility.

[MissOtk]

His eyes look brown to me.....

[dreamweaver]

I sent an email to FBI from their site to ask more details about
Eugene Fish. i.e., eye color, height, weight.

If I hear anything, I will post it here.

[believe09]

We collectively ruled Eugene Fish out sometime ago, but willing to be wrong! Let us know what you hear:

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:confused: CO- Eugene Fish (Sable#2#91) I think he can be ruled out because his fingerprints are most likely on file and would have been checked against Benjaman's?
His DNA is available and would be checked against Benjaman's when his is ran.
http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t6193.html (http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t6193.html)

http://www.projectjason.org/forums/i...prev_next=prev (http://www.projectjason.org/forums/index.php?topic=418.0;prev_next=prev) <--this site says Eugene's DNA is available.
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[dreamweaver]

I did not know Eugene Fish had been ruled out. I didn't notice his name or picture in those ruled out.
Okay. Back to searching.

[SieSie]

I did not know Eugene Fish had been ruled out. I didn't notice his name or picture in those ruled out.
Okay. Back to searching.
I just went and added another one (from Julessleuther) to the Ruled Out (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=60335) thread, I don't think people are remembering to add the people there when they've been ruled out.

[believe09]

I saw a copy of it but I am not allowed to post it-Steve has been ruled out by the family. I am going to add this to the ruled out thread.

[dreamweaver]

Thanks to Carolwood:
Also, this guy

http://www.nampn.org/cases/cote_paul.html

Paul Cote, Quebec

[believe09]

Thanks to Carolwood:
Also, this guy

http://www.nampn.org/cases/cote_paul.html

Paul Cote, Quebec

Thanks to Carolwood:
Also, this guy

http://www.nampn.org/cases/cote_paul.html

Paul Cote, Quebec

Thanks to Carolwood:
Also, this guy

http://www.nampn.org/cases/cote_paul.html

Paul Cote, Quebec

Also, this guy

http://www.nampn.org/cases/cote_paul.html

Paul Cote, Quebec

thanks to Carolwood
Also, this guy
http://www.nampn.org/cases/cote_paul.html
Paul Cote: Quebec


DW-we have 4 of the same post...do you want to edit it?

:blowkiss:

[Julessleuther]

I searched and could not find this guy, but he is similar height, eyes, and age. What do you guys think?

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705123S



and this guy:

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401411S

and this one:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300380W


and this guy--I know he is younger, but...
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300886S

and:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200301590W

[believe09]

I searched and could not find this guy, but he is similar height, eyes, and age. What do you guys think?

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705123S

This is a mug shot and BK's fingerprints are in AFIS so we ruled this man out.



and this guy:

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401411S

Eye color is brown and there is no mistaking BK's eye color, IMO

and this one:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300380W

I thought we had ruled Mr. Dribin out??? Will check the thread.


and this guy--I know he is younger, but...
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300886S

JMO, I think that BK's DOB will be in the mid 1950's at the latest...

and:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200301590W

Two raised strawberry scars by watch on left wrist.BK has no additional scarring other than what is listed....




Other opinions on these men?

[snowme]

and this one:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200300380W

I thought we had ruled Mr. Dribin out??? Will check the thread.


Other opinions on these men?

I searched using the search tool up top (his name and the url for him in case for some reason his name wasn't used), didn't bring him up (except for these two mentions of him right here.) Thing is, I know I've looked at him before and I thought he had been ruled out here as well. :waitasec:

[carolwood]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Well I have another one very interesting for yall to look at. Check the left side of face. Maybe. Sharel Vance Haresym has been missing since 1984. Picture a bit dark on left side, but...

http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/HARESYM_Sharel.pdf

[carolwood]

Here are a couple more to check:
http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/BEREZIUK_William.pdf

http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/ADRAIN_Brian.pdf

http://www.sacp.ca/missing/details.php?id=14

Be sure to click additional photos:

http://www.missing-u.ca/qryUI_Intro/MPDetail.aspx?MPs=%3ckey%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblMissi ng.MID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e110%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3c cv%3e%3cc%3etblMissing.PersonID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e28 1%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblInvest.Inv estID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e260%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3cc v%3e%3cc%3etblPhoto.PhotoID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e50368% 3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblPerson.Perso nID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e281%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv% 3e%3cc%3etblLocation.LocID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e258%3c% 2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblClothing.Clothi ngID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e88131%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3c %2fkey%3e

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[carolwood]

Here are a couple more to check:
http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/BEREZIUK_William.pdf

http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/ADRAIN_Brian.pdf

http://www.sacp.ca/missing/details.php?id=14

Be sure to click additional photos:

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[carolwood]

Sorry, it posted twice

[carolwood]

Here are a couple more:

Jean Paul Leroux-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/leroux_jean-paul.html

Richard Jenson-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/jensen_richard.html

Douglas Reis-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/reis_douglas.html

[prd2bokie]

This one has had some dental work and I thought BK did too. Richard Anthony Jensen


Sharel Vance Haresym looks very close.

[Tracie5]

I agree about Sharel. And is that a dent in his left cheek?

[prd2bokie]

Oh yeah.:yes: I really think they look so much alike. The age would be about right too.

[prd2bokie]

The bad thing is that there isn't any other information on Sharel.

[Tracie5]

Haresym is not a common name either. I found 1 obit in Canada and 1 member of classmates (female - maybe a relative?) in Canada. Saw a couple of genealogy entries too.

[believe09]

Here are a couple more:

Jean Paul Leroux-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/leroux_jean-paul.html
Bettin this guy has a record and his nose does not work at all for me or his coloring, jmo

Richard Jenson-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/jensen_richard.html
DOB 1968-I think he is young

Douglas Reis-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/reis_douglas.html
Ears, height, age and this looks like a booking photo to me???

I agree about Sharel. And is that a dent in his left cheek?
I think the dent is really a deep dimple...

Just a few thoughts from me but great looking!!

[dreamweaver]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Well I have another one very interesting for yall to look at. Check the left side of face. Maybe. Sharel Vance Haresym has been missing since 1984. Picture a bit dark on left side, but...

http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/HARESYM_Sharel.pdf
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Con: blonde hair, ears not lined up with eyebrows as BK,
Pro: close to right age,

[dreamweaver]

Here are a couple more:

Jean Paul Leroux-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/leroux_jean-paul.html

Richard Jenson-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/jensen_richard.html

Douglas Reis-
http://www.nampn.org/cases/reis_douglas.html
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Jean Paul Leroux; No. Face too lined. Ties to organized crime?

Richard Jenson: No. Too young.

Douglas Reis: No. Red hair. Does not look like BK to me.

[dreamweaver]

Here are a couple more to check:
http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/BEREZIUK_William.pdf

http://www.albertamissingpersons.ca/images/stories/library/data_files/ADRAIN_Brian.pdf

http://www.sacp.ca/missing/details.php?id=14

Be sure to click additional photos:

http://www.missing-u.ca/qryUI_Intro/MPDetail.aspx?MPs=%3ckey%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblMissi ng.MID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e110%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3c cv%3e%3cc%3etblMissing.PersonID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e28 1%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblInvest.Inv estID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e260%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3cc v%3e%3cc%3etblPhoto.PhotoID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e50368% 3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblPerson.Perso nID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e281%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv% 3e%3cc%3etblLocation.LocID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e258%3c% 2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3ccv%3e%3cc%3etblClothing.Clothi ngID%3c%2fc%3e%3cv%3e88131%3c%2fv%3e%3c%2fcv%3e%3c %2fkey%3e

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Uh....do not know what happened to the quote ....?
but,
IMO,
William Berezink: No. He probably drowned on his canoeing trip. ?
Brian Adrain: No. A little too young. Eyes are green.
Kenneth Brodacki: No. Hair blonde. Nose is not right.
David Rowbotham: No. Hard to tell from photo, but police think he was murdered.
Patrick Ukrainetz: No. Only 46. eye color not known. Too bald.
James Clarke: No. Too young, only 49 now.

[dreamweaver]

and this one:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/ga...hp?A200300380W

I thought we had ruled Mr. Dribin out??? Will check the thread.
I searched using the se