Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #4

[SeriouslySearching]

I find it interesting that they are witholding the estimated time she was in the field because it would be a point the killer and LE would only know. It doesn't make much sense not to release it because people might have noticed someone hanging around that area or possibly saw his truck there when he dumped her. They are shooting themselves in the foot in obtaining further information, imo. I do have to wonder about this LE Dept. and the way they have handled things in Brianna's case to date. Sheesh!

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm wondering why the dog in the bedroom right next to where Brianna was sleeping didn't bark? How did the attacker know the door was unlocked and he could gain entry without alerting anyone?We have been over this repeatedly, but I would surmise the dog did bark...but the two girls in the bedroom were passed out and didn't hear it.

[10EC_Dad]

[quote=SeriouslySearching;1995742]I find it interesting that they are witholding the estimated time she was in the field because it would be a point the killer and LE would only know.

I think that is exacty why they are withholding that information. It is incriminating evidence during a witness interrogation.

This is a good move by the LE.

[LionRun]

I agree 10EC_Dad. They may have wanted a hold back, and this may have been their best or one of their only choices.

Lion

[Ca-Sun]

I think that is exacty why they are withholding that information. It is incriminating evidence during a witness interrogation.

This is a good move by the LE.I agree. As much as we want to know everything, LE can't release all the details that could jeopardize the case. Now, if they want to give us a hint... :)

[adnoid]

I find it interesting that they are witholding the estimated time she was in the field because it would be a point the killer and LE would only know.

I think that is exacty why they are withholding that information. It is incriminating evidence during a witness interrogation.

This is a good move by the LE.

I completely agree, 10EC_Dad. Even though we are all a bunch of law-breaking, booze-swilling, paycheck-gambling whore chasers out here, we might have a few people that know what they're doing. I know some of the local LE, I trust them. They'll get this filth.

[Leila]

I wonder where the teddy bear is?

The missing teddy bear bothers me too...........

The police have a fairly detailed description of the interior of the pickup truck that one of the rape victims was in, describing the interior dome light, blue/red LED read out on the radio, cloth upholstery, type-written papers and a baby shoe on the floor.

The baby shoe indicates the suspect might have a young child. Just speculation, but maybe the suspect took the teddy bear for the child?

[teacherbonnie]

I feel pretty sure they are withholding LOTS of info. I agree with SS that LE might be able to get help from others if they released the estimated time of placement. Sometimes LE gives little tidbits of info out every once in awhile just to keep the public's interest.

Maybe that bear that has caused page after page of posts was found in the grass. Maybe her clothing. Any other ideas?

[SeriouslySearching]

They must have other information from the evidence collected at the dump site to use as leverage against the perp. The release of the time the body was there seems to thwart LE from getting information from witnesses that could place someone at the scene and lead to a suspect. I still highly disagree this is a good idea to withold such information. Does it matter if her body was there a month or a couple of weeks? What matters is getting a witness to come forward who might have SEEN something during that time!! It would have made so much more sense to withold the COD instead!!

LE hasn't done a lot to move this case forward, imo. Not putting the perp's DNA into the national data base until yesterday (if it is true what Fox reported), having to beg for money to run the DNA they already have, putting out the sketch when it was not confirmed to be remotely part of the other three cases, and now this! WTH?! Are they just not accustomed to dealing with rapists or murderers there?! We know they didn't handle the rape of the other two women properly...or this perp could have been caught before Brianna went missing. Are they just waiting on him to strike again so they can get more evidence?! It is crazy!

[SuziQ]

The missing teddy bear bothers me too...........

The police have a fairly detailed description of the interior of the pickup truck that one of the rape victims was in, describing the interior dome light, blue/red LED read out on the radio, cloth upholstery, type-written papers and a baby shoe on the floor.

The baby shoe indicates the suspect might have a young child. Just speculation, but maybe the suspect took the teddy bear for the child?

This guy is so off the radar, no one would suspect him at all. IMO, everyone around him is going to be shocked to find out it was him. For that reason I don't think it's going to be anyone he knows that will turn him in.

[teacherbonnie]

But SS, NOW we know the sketch is for all 3...just not the Oct. assault, right?

SQ, ITA. I always think of the Bundy/Rule connection. Such a shocker for her.

[SeriouslySearching]

But SS, NOW we know the sketch is for all 3...just not the Oct. assault, right?

SQ, ITA. I always think of the Bundy/Rule connection. Such a shocker for her.NO! We don't know any such thing! As a matter of fact, they have stopped using it in most stories about Brianna and the other attacks. They never connected that attack to the other three. Location was the ONLY thing that they had. No DNA. Nothing else...including MO.

[newshound81]

They must have other information from the evidence collected at the dump site to use as leverage against the perp. The release of the time the body was there seems to thwart LE from getting information from witnesses that could place someone at the scene and lead to a suspect. I still highly disagree this is a good idea to withold such information. Does it matter if her body was there a month or a couple of weeks? What matters is getting a witness to come forward who might have SEEN something during that time!! It would have made so much more sense to withold the COD instead!!

LE hasn't done a lot to move this case forward, imo. Not putting the perp's DNA into the national data base until yesterday (if it is true what Fox reported), having to beg for money to run the DNA they already have, putting out the sketch when it was not confirmed to be remotely part of the other three cases, and now this! WTH?! Are they just not accustomed to dealing with rapists or murderers there?! We know they didn't handle the rape of the other two women properly...or this perp could have been caught before Brianna went missing. Are they just waiting on him to strike again so they can get more evidence?! It is crazy!
At this link,
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080216/NEWS18/80216013/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON,
the police say they've gotten tips in about
"past suspicious activity" at the location where Brianna was found. I'm curious as to why these people didn't phone in immediately after they saw said activity.

[SeriouslySearching]

It sure does make me wonder. They knew there was a search on for Brianna!

[teacherbonnie]

From the above link: "Evidence suggests Denison was kidnapped...by a man linked to 2 possibly 3 OTHER assaults in the area."

SS, please set us straight here. Which 2 or 3 are they talking about?

[Leila]

This guy is so off the radar, no one would suspect him at all. IMO, everyone around him is going to be shocked to find out it was him. For that reason I don't think it's going to be anyone he knows that will turn him in.

Again, just speculation, but LE has put out a plea to Reno residents to report anything suspicious - a change in residence, appearance, job, etc. in the past month, and has stated the suspect is someone's husband, son, brother, and so on.

I realize that in this day and age, a man doesn't have to be married to have a child - he could have a child with a girlfriend, or be divorced and have visitation with his child. I'm speculating that the suspect has a wife or girlfriend, and a young child.

The suspect's family is not suspicious of him in any way, OR is suspicious and afraid. I can imagine a wife or girlfriend thinking, "what if I'm wrong and there's a logical explanation for him suddenly wanting to move, or quit his job, and maybe he shaved because he didn't like the beard he was trying to grow." The wife or girlfriend would reason that if she turned him into the police and it turned out she was wrong, it would be the end of a trusting relationship.

The scary thing is.......someone in Reno is either living with or next door to a serial rapist/killer.

[Ca-Sun]

From the above link: "Evidence suggests Denison was kidnapped...by a man linked to 2 possibly 3 OTHER assaults in the area."

SS, please set us straight here. Which 2 or 3 are they talking about?That refers to the November and December attacks. The 3rd (possible) is the attack that happened in October. The Nov. and Dec. attacks were linked to Brianna through DNA.

[nanandjim]

LE is asking that same question, Suzi. The theory that he may have kept it or given it to someone might not be so far off.
I suggested in the very beginning of the case that the guy may have given it to his child as a gift. They need to show a photo of the missing teddy bear and ask the public to come forward if a bear like this was given as a gift at the end of January.

[paddy01]

I suggested in the very beginning of the case that the guy may have given it to his child as a gift. They need to show a photo of the missing teddy bear and ask the public to come forward if a bear like this was given as a gift at the end of January.

nan, I remember you suggested that earlier, I think it's a great idea. It would certainly help if they showed photo.Give everybody an idea on what we're looking for.

[teacherbonnie]

Ca-Sun, scroll to post #262. I think that's what I said and SS corrected me.

[10EC_Dad]

I suggested in the very beginning of the case that the guy may have given it to his child as a gift. They need to show a photo of the missing teddy bear and ask the public to come forward if a bear like this was given as a gift at the end of January.

The bear is gone most likely. I doubt that he gave it to anyone. If he kept it, he lives alone, and it is a trophy closely guarded.

[deanws]

Brianna's family has released a statement, here (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080216/NEWS18/80216023&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews).
Reading that statement brought tears to my eyes. She was a beautiful girl. :(

[LionRun]

I agree, 10ECDad.

Lion

[deanws]

The guy is supposed to be between 28-40 y/o, and I had no idea that age group was into shaving that part of their body either. :eek:I didn't either! :eek:

[deanws]

BEmily...I never heard it was in the police parking garage! Wow. This was the Dec. victim? He's way too confident.After a while they get too confident, then become sloppy. I am hoping this is what will happen soon.:bang:

[LionRun]

Regarding people offering tips about suspicious activity after Brianna's body was discovered, it is common for that to happen. Some tips will likely amount to nothing. Some tips may help the case. I live where people hunt and shoot guns all the time. So when I hear gunshots I think nothing of it and would not report it. But, say I was awake early at 5AM and heard 4 gunshots from a particular direction. Typical, so I don't report it. But, what if then on the news that morning I see that a person was shot 3-4 times next door to me. Then I would report it.

Some tips might be from people seeing something that at that time did not necessarily appear to be suspicious. Then after Brianna's body was discovered they realised that what they saw/heard may be important.

Lion

[LionRun]

After a while they get too confident, then become sloppy. I am hoping this is what will happen soon.:bang:

Hi deanws:). This slime has already been sloppy and very bold. Yet, he has so far evaded detection. I hope too that he royally screws up or that his DNA is on file someplace resulting in identifying him--before he attacks and/or kills again.

Lion

[SuziQ]

NO! We don't know any such thing! As a matter of fact, they have stopped using it in most stories about Brianna and the other attacks. They never connected that attack to the other three. Location was the ONLY thing that they had. No DNA. Nothing else...including MO.

I knew releasing that sketch was a mistake even though LE stated, IIRC, they were erring on the side of caution even though there wasn't any link to Brianna. The public has been looking for THAT guy. LE needs to publicly discount that sketch and yank it out of everyone's mind.

[Leila]

That refers to the November and December attacks. The 3rd (possible) is the attack that happened in October. The Nov. and Dec. attacks were linked to Brianna through DNA.

My understanding is that the November and December attacks are linked to Brianna through DNA.

The October attack happened in the same area, and a gun was used in that one - not in the Nov. and Dec. attacks. The October attack may or may not be related to the other attacks and Brianna's disappearance. I think the victim of the October attack only came forward after Brianna disappeared.

At this time, the police are evidently not using the artist sketch, and are only going by a physical description of: 28-40 years old, long face, square jaw, 5'8' to 6' tall, hair non-descriptive. LE is also including a description of the suspect vehicle.

[deanws]

I knew releasing that sketch was a mistake even though LE stated, IIRC, they were erring on the side of caution even though there wasn't any link to Brianna. The public has been looking for THAT guy. LE needs to publicly discount that sketch and yank it out of everyone's mind.I think so too SuziQ.

[deanws]

Hi deanws:). This slime has already been sloppy and very bold. Yet, he has so far evaded detection. I hope too that he royally screws up or that his DNA is on file someplace resulting in identifying him--before he attacks and/or kills again.

LionI do too. I can't stand reading about horrid stuff happening to our bright young people. :(

[Leila]

Regarding people offering tips about suspicious activity after Brianna's body was discovered, it is common for that to happen. Some tips will likely amount to nothing. Some tips may help the case. I live where people hunt and shoot guns all the time. So when I hear gunshots I think nothing of it and would not report it. But, say I was awake early at 5AM and heard 4 gunshots from a particular direction. Typical, so I don't report it. But, what if then on the news that morning I see that a person was shot 3-4 times next door to me. Then I would report it.

Some tips might be from people seeing something that at that time did not necessarily appear to be suspicious. Then after Brianna's body was discovered they realised that what they saw/heard may be important.

Lion

I absolutely agree. A lot of times people see something that on an immediate basis doesn't seem suspicious, but after it's known that a crime occurred, that little piece of info might be important.

[nanandjim]

...Some tips might be from people seeing something that at that time did not necessarily appear to be suspicious. Then after Brianna's body was discovered they realised that what they saw/heard may be important.

Lion
I agree. Someone may have seen a vehicle parked near this open field and thought that it seemed strange. That would be great if someone did see something of significance. I think that the killer either wanted her body to be found since he dumped her so close to the road, or he was in a hurry to get rid of her and get home. It would not surprise me if this guy was married with at least one small child.

I read about your frightening experience. It really scared me. Would it be possible to give further details about your attack, like where did it occur, what time of day and why your window was rolled down. I have always read that criminals size up their victims. You said that you were in great shape. So, I am wondering why he chose you. :(

[LionRun]

That is my understanding, too Leila. LE stated that the attacks from November, December, and Brianna's abduction in January are linked through DNA. I'm pretty sure that these three cases are related based on this.

Lion

[Leila]

I agree. Someone may have seen a vehicle parked near this open field and thought that it seemed strange. That would be great if someone did see something of significance. I think that the killer either wanted her body to be found since he dumped her so close to the road, or he was in a hurry to get rid of her and get home. It would not surprise me if this guy was married with at least one small child.

I read about your frightening experience. It really scared me. Would it be possible to give further details about your attack, like where did it occur, what time of day and why your window was rolled down. I have always read that criminals size up their victims. You said that you were in great shape. So, I am wondering why he chose you. :(

With the area where Brianna's body was found being in a busy commercial area, and since many if not most commercial buildings these days have surveillance cameras, I'm hoping that possibly a surveillance camera captured something.

A brief story. A friend's sister went missing in South Carolina. The sister and her husband owned their own small company, and the sister left work early telling her husband she was going shopping at Walmart. One of the first things the police did was to check the outside security cameras all Walmarts have trained on their parking lots. The security cameras captured the sister's car pulling into a parking space, two men jumping into the car from drivers and passenger sides, and the car speeding off. The sister had been carjacked and the Walmart security cameras captured the carjacking.

[10EC_Dad]

http://comejoinin.blogspot.com/2008/02/brianna-denison-dead.html



Let's hope this is the perp and is caught quickly.

[paddy01]

With the area where Brianna's body was found being in a busy commercial area, and since many if not most commercial buildings these days have surveillance cameras, I'm hoping that possibly a surveillance camera captured something.

A brief story. A friend's sister went missing in South Carolina. The sister and her husband owned their own small company, and the sister left work early telling her husband she was going shopping at Walmart. One of the first things the police did was to check the outside security cameras all Walmarts have trained on their parking lots. The security cameras captured the sister's car pulling into a parking space, two men jumping into the car from drivers and passenger sides, and the car speeding off. The sister had been carjacked and the Walmart security cameras captured the carjacking.

Hi Leila, just out of curiosity what happened to your friend's sister? If I'm not being too nosy, my apologies If I am.

[Leila]

Hi Leila, just out of curiosity what happened to your friend's sister? If I'm not being too nosy, my apologies If I am.

It's a long story, but I'll try to be brief. The sister's body has never been found (happened in 2002). The two perps evidently killed her in either S. Carolina or N. Carolina. They took her car and went to West Virginia, where they killed a young college girl - her body has never been found, but her car found burned in a field. Then to Kentucky where the two split up. The one perp tried to carjack a mother and her daughter in a Kentucky mall and was apprehended. The other perp, still driving the sister's car, was later apprehended in Indiana. The sister's purse was in the trunk of the car. The two perps had escaped from a Kentucky prison. They both confessed to killing the sister, but couldn't remember where they left her body. They were tried in a federal court in 2004 and got the death penalty. Both have appealed and the appeals denied. They're sitting on death row.

[KOOL LOOK]

With the area where Brianna's body was found being in a busy commercial area, and since many if not most commercial buildings these days have surveillance cameras, I'm hoping that possibly a surveillance camera captured something.

A brief story. A friend's sister went missing in South Carolina. The sister and her husband owned their own small company, and the sister left work early telling her husband she was going shopping at Walmart. One of the first things the police did was to check the outside security cameras all Walmarts have trained on their parking lots. The security cameras captured the sister's car pulling into a parking space, two men jumping into the car from drivers and passenger sides, and the car speeding off. The sister had been carjacked and the Walmart security cameras captured the carjacking.


I remember that case. Happened about fifty miles from me. They also killed a girl in another state before coming here and abducting this woman. They also abducted a man during their 3 day crime spree and tied him up to a tree, he survived. The two women didn't. The younger girls body was located, they've never found the woman abducted from wal-mart parking lot. They had several video cameras of the abduction and narrowed down their searches, she's someone within the range of where she was abducted.

Very sad indeed.

[paddy01]

It's a long story, but I'll try to be brief. The sister's body has never been found (happened in 2002). The two perps evidently killed her in either S. Carolina or N. Carolina. They took her car and went to West Virginia, where they killed a young college girl - her body has never been found, but her car found burned in a field. Then to Kentucky where the two split up. The one perp tried to carjack a mother and her daughter in a Kentucky mall and was apprehended. The other perp, still driving the sister's car, was later apprehended in Indiana. The sister's purse was in the trunk of the car. The two perps had escaped from a Kentucky prison. They both confessed to killing the sister, but couldn't remember where they left her body. They were tried in a federal court in 2004 and got the death penalty. Both have appealed and the appeals denied. They're sitting on death row.

Leila, I'm so sorry for your friends sister. Glad they're on death row, right where they belong!

[Leila]

I remember that case. Happened about fifty miles from me. They also killed a girl in another state before coming here and abducting this woman. They also abducted a man during their 3 day crime spree and tied him up to a tree, he survived. The two women didn't. The younger girls body was located, they've never found the woman abducted from wal-mart parking lot. They had several video cameras of the abduction and narrowed down their searches, she's someone within the range of where she was abducted.

Very sad indeed.

Here's a link to the case:
http://www.angelfire.com/mi3/mpccn/donovan_alice.html

[LionRun]

How awful, Leila. But, I'm glad they were both caught and are on death row.

Lion

[adnoid]

Just got back from the site where she was found. All the police tape is down and there is a memorial growing on the edge of the field. I took some pictures, I'll see if I can post them. Lots of folks standing there, some folks I recognize from pictures as being Brianna's friends/family. All the males (myself included) were really eyeballing other males that showed up - you could feel in the air that the community wants to get the SOB that did this.

I walked around the field and I think I know where the body was found, but I can't be sure as it's been pretty well trodden. It is pretty overgrown. I can't see walking through it as a short cut from anywhere to anywhere, but that's just my quick observation.

[Leila]

How awful, Leila. But, I'm glad they were both caught and are on death row.

Lion

It was a horrible case, and I'm so glad the two are on death row.

The important thing I was trying to illustrate by this citing this case, is the importance of surveillance cameras. Hopefully the commercial buildings in the area where Brianna's body was found have 24-hour surveillance cameras that may have captured something on video. I hope LE is checking out all the commercial buildings for cameras.

[paddy01]

Just got back from the site where she was found. All the police tape is down and there is a memorial growing on the edge of the field. I took some pictures, I'll see if I can post them. Lots of folks standing there, some folks I recognize from pictures as being Brianna's friends/family. All the males (myself included) were really eyeballing other males that showed up - you could feel in the air that the community wants to get the SOB that did this.

I walked around the field and I think I know where the body was found, but I can't be sure as it's been pretty well trodden. It is pretty overgrown. I can't see walking through it as a short cut from anywhere to anywhere, but that's just my quick observation.

adnoid thank you for all you've done to keep us informed, I truly appreciate all your hard work.

[LionRun]

It was a horrible case, and I'm so glad the two are on death row.

The important thing I was trying to illustrate by this citing this case, is the importance of surveillance cameras. Hopefully the commercial buildings in the area where Brianna's body was found have 24-hour surveillance cameras that may have captured something on video. I hope LE is checking out all the commercial buildings for cameras.

I hope so, too Leila. I would bet they are checking thoroughly for any possible surveillance footage, and I think it may have even been mentioned recently that they were.

I understand why you told the sad story about what happened to your sister's friend. I told a small piece of my story to show that it is not necessarily difficult to disable/abduct a petite, young woman and that no specially trained moves or drugs are necessarily needed.

Lion

[LionRun]

Just got back from the site where she was found. All the police tape is down and there is a memorial growing on the edge of the field. I took some pictures, I'll see if I can post them. Lots of folks standing there, some folks I recognize from pictures as being Brianna's friends/family. All the males (myself included) were really eyeballing other males that showed up - you could feel in the air that the community wants to get the SOB that did this.

I walked around the field and I think I know where the body was found, but I can't be sure as it's been pretty well trodden. It is pretty overgrown. I can't see walking through it as a short cut from anywhere to anywhere, but that's just my quick observation.

Thank you very much adnoid.

Lion

[adnoid]

OK, here are some photos.

First: My drive home from Carson City on Friday - trying to show what the fields look like and the amount of snow on the ground:

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Friday night at the site - couldn't see much:

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Saturday from across the field - police were still there, tape still up, couldn't get close:

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Today:

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[adnoid]

Today (the rest, as WS only allows 20 pictures linked per post):

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[adnoid]

Thank you very much adnoid.

Lion

For you, it's always a pleasure!

[Ca-Sun]

Just got back from the site where she was found. All the police tape is down and there is a memorial growing on the edge of the field. I took some pictures, I'll see if I can post them. Lots of folks standing there, some folks I recognize from pictures as being Brianna's friends/family. All the males (myself included) were really eyeballing other males that showed up - you could feel in the air that the community wants to get the SOB that did this.

I walked around the field and I think I know where the body was found, but I can't be sure as it's been pretty well trodden. It is pretty overgrown. I can't see walking through it as a short cut from anywhere to anywhere, but that's just my quick observation.Thank you for taking us there, Adnoid. I know it hasn't been easy for you, but I really appreciate all you have done. I can imagine how all the males at the nearby businesses will be checked out, too.

[LionRun]

For you, it's always a pleasure!

Awe, thanks adnoid:).

Lion

[SewingDeb]

Thanks adnoid! Your photography is great and we can see what the articles are talking about with the field and office buildings etc.

[Leila]

Adnoid,
Just adding my thanks............wonderful pictures!

I can't help but notice all the buildings in the surrounding area. Almost every picture you took has at least one building in the background. I think I even spotted a house. This is a very public area.

[teacherbonnie]

TY adnoid. Very appreciated.

I'm watching 6PM Fox News...the sketch they are showing looks like the one they've been showing for quite a few days.

[sweetmop]

Just got back from the site where she was found. All the police tape is down and there is a memorial growing on the edge of the field. I took some pictures, I'll see if I can post them. Lots of folks standing there, some folks I recognize from pictures as being Brianna's friends/family. All the males (myself included) were really eyeballing other males that showed up - you could feel in the air that the community wants to get the SOB that did this.

I walked around the field and I think I know where the body was found, but I can't be sure as it's been pretty well trodden. It is pretty overgrown. I can't see walking through it as a short cut from anywhere to anywhere, but that's just my quick observation.

adnoid, thank you for all of the information.
And I'm with all of you there, I want the SOB found too, and soon!

[adnoid]

...I can't help but notice all the buildings in the surrounding area. Almost every picture you took has at least one building in the background. I think I even spotted a house. This is a very public area.

Yep. Although it's an open field, it's hardly an isolated area. There is lots of much more open space around - although you would have to drive a little further.

The choice of this field just seems odd to me. It's not the type of area you'd drive into and expect to have open space - there is this lot and a couple others, but if you were to randomly exit 395 at the South Meadows Parkway exit you would not expect there to be open fields close by. (If you look at most of the online mapping services, realize that the pictures they use are almost all out of date, and what may look like open area is often developed as of today in that part of town). It makes me think he knew this field would be available.

[SuziQ]

Thank you adnoid! I'm amazed that no one saw anything from the upper floors of the surrounding buildings.

[SuziQ]

Yep. Although it's an open field, it's hardly an isolated area. There is lots of much more open space around - although you would have to drive a little further.

The choice of this field just seems odd to me. It's not the type of area you'd drive into and expect to have open space - there is this lot and a couple others, but if you were to randomly exit 395 at the South Meadows Parkway exit you would not expect there to be open fields close by. (If you look at most of the online mapping services, realize that the pictures they use are almost all out of date, and what may look like open area is often developed as of today in that part of town). It makes me think he knew this field would be available.

So many isolated places around Reno, but he takes her to a not so isolated spot 8 miles away. I hope they check out every male that has a good view of that field from their office.

[nanandjim]

... A friend's sister went missing in South Carolina. The sister and her husband owned their own small company, and the sister left work early telling her husband she was going shopping at Walmart. One of the first things the police did was to check the outside security cameras all Walmarts have trained on their parking lots. The security cameras captured the sister's car pulling into a parking space, two men jumping into the car from drivers and passenger sides, and the car speeding off. The sister had been carjacked and the Walmart security cameras captured the carjacking.
So sorry to hear about your friend's sister. How very sad. I am glad that they caught the murderers, though.

I have heard that some places of business have security cameras that record over the data fairly soon. I'm assuming that there is no need to keep the tapes if their place has not been vandalized or burglarized. We can hope, though, that something will surface that will help identify and capture this rapist and murderer.

[Ca-Sun]

Yep. Although it's an open field, it's hardly an isolated area. There is lots of much more open space around - although you would have to drive a little further.

The choice of this field just seems odd to me. It's not the type of area you'd drive into and expect to have open space - there is this lot and a couple others, but if you were to randomly exit 395 at the South Meadows Parkway exit you would not expect there to be open fields close by. (If you look at most of the online mapping services, realize that the pictures they use are almost all out of date, and what may look like open area is often developed as of today in that part of town). It makes me think he knew this field would be available.If a person didn't work in the area, are there homes nearby so someone would need to drive by that area often? He is reported to have worn work-out type clothes - is there a Health Club around there?

[adnoid]

If a person didn't work in the area, are there homes nearby so someone would need to drive by that area often?

There are apartment complexes within a few blocks, houses a little furthers.

...He is reported to have worn work-out type clothes - is there a Health Club around there?

Bars & restaurants I can help you with, health clubs - I'll ask Mrs. Adnoid.

[concernedperson]

Thanks Adnoid for the pics it gives us a good perspective to view this case. I agree with other posters that it may be on his way home, work or gym. More a matter of convenience for him vs. a well described plan to hide the body. She was a small person and the grassy area could easily hide a body from plain view as it was workers walking around there that finally saw her.

I think they will catch this guy and I hope it is sooner than later. I still worry that another victim could be in the wings until they catch him.

[panthera]

I bet this guy has some MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) training or experience. LE should follow that possibility. Mixed Martial Artists regularly "choke out" their opponents in a short period of time. They simple render them unconscious, they don't actually kill them, obviously. They do it by cutting off the blood supply to the brain, rather than the air supply, in many cases. Or a combo of both.
That's very interesting ~ thank you for the information! :) It would also explain how he was able to come up behind the victim and incapacitate her that way.

[panthera]

So many isolated places around Reno, but he takes her to a not so isolated spot 8 miles away. I hope they check out every male that has a good view of that field from their office.
I'm also thinking he may work near where she was left and has been watching to see when she'd be found. In other words, that location could've been in his 'comfort zone'.

[LionRun]

Yep. Although it's an open field, it's hardly an isolated area. There is lots of much more open space around - although you would have to drive a little further.

The choice of this field just seems odd to me. It's not the type of area you'd drive into and expect to have open space - there is this lot and a couple others, but if you were to randomly exit 395 at the South Meadows Parkway exit you would not expect there to be open fields close by. (If you look at most of the online mapping services, realize that the pictures they use are almost all out of date, and what may look like open area is often developed as of today in that part of town). It makes me think he knew this field would be available.

I agree adnoid. i think he knows this area at least fairly well. If it is a fact that he dumped her about 100 feet in, then I don't think his desire was so much to make sure that she was found, but to put her back far enough to give him a time distance concerning her discovery.

Thank you for the great pics, adnoid!

Lion

[LionRun]

I'm also thinking he may work near where she was left and has been watching to see when she'd be found. In other words, that location could've been in his 'comfort zone'.

I think that is possible, too panthera. I think he may have intimately close ties to where Brianna was abducted, especially because of the exceptionally small range from which he attacked/abducted young women from. I also think that he drove to a place that he felt comfortable driving to dump her body.

Lion

[panthera]

Thanks so much for the photos adnoid :) The spot where the memorials are isn't exactly where she was found, correct? Toward the end of the photos I saw a couple that looked like where the body had been.

[panthera]

I think that is possible, too panthera. I think he may have intimately close ties to where Brianna was abducted, especially because of the exceptionally small range from which he attacked/abducted young women from. I also think that he drove to a place that he felt comfortable driving to dump her body.

Lion
That's just one possibility I'm thinking of, and of course, if it's true, he's probably not driving that truck anymore.

[LionRun]

I don't know if he was watching for her to be found, but I think he drove to and dumped her at a place that he knew about and felt comfortable doing so at.

Lion

[panthera]

I don't know if he was watching for her to be found, but I think he drove to and dumped her at a place that he knew about and felt comfortable doing so at.

Lion
I'll agree, and to me would mean that he may have lived or worked around there at some point, if he doesn't now.

[Ca-Sun]

Mother’s request to the community
JACLYN O (jomalley@rgj.com)

RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080217/NEWS18/80217017&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)
Posted: 2/17/2008

Brianna Denison’s mother, Bridgette, wants the community to shift from “Bringing back Bri” to bringing justice for Bri, a family friend said today.
Since Brianna disappeared Jan. 20, the community has rallied with vigils, circulating fliers and posters and maintaining hope she would return safely. That hope was dashed Saturday when an autopsy concluded Brianna was the woman found Friday strangled in a field in a South Reno industrial area.
Family friend Leslie Kookenboo said this morning Bridgette Denison requested the community do four things:
1. Find Brianna’s killer.
2. Take down all of the “Bring Bri Back” signs. Replace them with blue ribbons. She wants Reno to be “entirely blue” until her killer is found.
3. Attend a celebration of Brianna’s life that being planned that may be titled “Live, Love and Unite.” Logistics are still being worked out and no specific time, date or place had been established.
4. Rally for stricter laws against sexual offenders and to have laws that would require more DNA profiles on file so that everyone woman and child would be protected.

[H0NEYWEST]

This is driving me crazy! I have searched on all of the Brianna threads, and while posters mention the perp's vehicle having a dome light up near the windshield, no one has speculated on what make the truck/suv might be - or maybe the search function wasn't working correctly.

I did find one post where someone said Hummers have lights like that, and went on to say that other vehicles do too, but didn't say which makes. I live in Reno, and ever since Brianna was abducted and the description released I check every truck/suv I see - I have yet to see one with a forward dome light.

There must be a car/truck freak somewhere on this site who can say something like, "Chevys have lights like that." I have been googling my brains out looking at auto parts, but I'm not getting anywhere. Is it something more common on older vehicles?

[panthera]

I'd think that LE would've released some information like that too. They're the ones with access to databases that have vehicle models and characteristics unless this is something that the owner installed after market. The radio and console were described in detail as well.

[H0NEYWEST]

I'd think that LE would've released some information like that too. They're the ones with access to databases that have vehicle models and characteristics unless this is something that the owner installed after market. The radio and console were described in detail as well.

But I would think that someone on here might have some suggestions. The description of the radio (blue lights) and the console (skinny) would be much harder to check for while out driving around. Color me frustrated.

[Leviosa]

I'm no auto freak by any stretch…yet, I've been thinking about this for weeks now. So for what it's worth: The "DOME" lighting for most Toyota trucks is under the rear view mirror and mounted in the juncture where the windshield meets the roof.

Then I got to thinking (which is always dangerous!) and thought about my Jeep Cherokee; although its dome light is at the mid-point in the ceiling between driver and passenger, there are also individual map lights up and under the mirror. The console in the Jeep is very similar to how she's described, but so is an Explorer, Navigator, where if one were to purchase after market equipment, it would be installed there in the rear just as she claimed.

The person at myspace we've all come to know and love looks to have a Toyota Tundra deluxe with 'step-up' bar for getting in; furthermore, I have looked at almost every photo he's got from friends etc., remember this family just had a brand new baby in early January.

The significance of checking out his friends is that there are a couple who fit the description better than this person does. CHEERS gang!

Leviosa

[panthera]

But I would think that someone on here might have some suggestions. The description of the radio (blue lights) and the console (skinny) would be much harder to check for while out driving around. Color me frustrated.
I know what you mean! I wish someone could answer these questions too especially for those who live in the area like you said, to be on the lookout.

[H0NEYWEST]

Thanks for the post! Front map lights crossed my mind too. I keep looking, but I swear every truck/suv is starting to look the same.

[panthera]

I'm no auto freak by any stretch…yet, I've been thinking about this for weeks now. So for what it's worth: The "DOME" lighting for most Toyota trucks is under the rear view mirror and mounted in the juncture where the windshield meets the roof.

Then I got to thinking (which is always dangerous!) and thought about my Jeep Cherokee; although its dome light is at the mid-point in the ceiling between driver and passenger, there are also individual map lights up and under the mirror. The console in the Jeep is very similar to how she's described, but so is an Explorer, Navigator, where if one were to purchase after market equipment, it would be installed there in the rear just as she claimed.

The person at myspace we've all come to know and love looks to have a Toyota Tundra deluxe with 'step-up' bar for getting in; furthermore, I have looked at almost every photo he's got from friends etc., remember this family just had a brand new baby in early January.

The significance of checking out his friends is that there are a couple who fit the description better than this person does. CHEERS gang!

Leviosa
That helps, Leviosa and thank you :) I will say that an Explorer (at least ones I've seen) don't have a flat console and the gearshift is on the steering column and also don't have a blue/red display on the radio. The dome light is also centered in the ceiling. So I'd rule out an Explorer. I haven't seen this myspace you're mentioning but is this a possible suspect?

[Leila]

Yep. Although it's an open field, it's hardly an isolated area. There is lots of much more open space around - although you would have to drive a little further.

The choice of this field just seems odd to me. It's not the type of area you'd drive into and expect to have open space - there is this lot and a couple others, but if you were to randomly exit 395 at the South Meadows Parkway exit you would not expect there to be open fields close by. (If you look at most of the online mapping services, realize that the pictures they use are almost all out of date, and what may look like open area is often developed as of today in that part of town). It makes me think he knew this field would be available.

Adnoid,
Are all the buildings we see in the pictures commercial establishments?

What I'm wondering is if most if not all of the surrounding buildings are commercial, and as such would only be occupied during daytime hours, or in the case of restaurants, have a closing time? There would be a time-frame of about 6 hours, from midnight until 6:00am, when there would be very few people in the area, with the exception of night-time janitorial crews. This might be the time that the suspect disposed of the body.

If the body was disposed of on January 20th, the day Brianna was kidnapped, no one would be aware yet that there was a missing woman.

[H0NEYWEST]

I'm answering out of turn, but there are fields there in the middle. It's mostly an area of modern-type industrial parks, with in-roads snaking around. It really does look like it sprung up over night and has lots of fields around and in-between the developments - pretty much what many parts of South Reno looks like

[KR2tonenow]

For you, it's always a pleasure!

Very nice of you to give us an up close look into this tragedy...Her body was really close to the road.

I hate to think that she was there longer than 1 week. Granted they say snow was there.

[H0NEYWEST]

Here's a shot of the area (maybe the one you've already seen - I don't know). Her body was found on Sandhill, between Prototype and Double R

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=truck+suv+%22dome+lights%22+windshield&hl=en&safe=off&pwst=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

[panthera]

I'm answering out of turn, but there are fields there in the middle. It's mostly an area of modern-type industrial parks, with in-roads snaking around. It really does look like it sprung up over night and has lots of fields around and in-between the developments - pretty much what many parts of South Reno looks like
That's the impression I got from looking at Adnoid's photos. The buildings all look new, and the one that was directly across from where people placed their memorials looked like the back of a Chinese restaurant. Jan. 20 was a Sunday and the following day was a holiday (Martin Luther King Day) so I'd think it'd be fairly quiet around there.

[KR2tonenow]

So many isolated places around Reno, but he takes her to a not so isolated spot 8 miles away. I hope they check out every male that has a good view of that field from their office.

Right, it looked like a convenient drop off. Leave work, dump body.

[H0NEYWEST]

I didn't see Adnoid's picture posts until now - I haven't been following the case here.

[H0NEYWEST]

Right, it looked like a convenient drop off. Leave work, dump body.

Yep, convenient freeway access (395) and just a few miles south of the 395/80 junction. We only have two freeways here.

[panthera]

Yep, convenient freeway access (395) and just a few miles south of the 395/80 junction. We only have two freeways here.
When I saw on another map how close it was to the Hwy 395 I thought it also might be possible he lives in an area south of Reno and just dumped her there because it is an industrial area and then proceeded home. What's south on 395 from there?

[KR2tonenow]

That's the impression I got from looking at Adnoid's photos. The buildings all look new, and the one that was directly across from where people placed their memorials looked like the back of a Chinese restaurant. Jan. 20 was a Sunday and the following day was a holiday (Martin Luther King Day) so I'd think it'd be fairly quiet around there.

Which I agree, that Chinese bldg is sooo close, how many inches of snow was on this area a week ago, does any one know?

[H0NEYWEST]

When I saw on another map how close it was to the Hwy 395 I thought it also might be possible he lives in an area south of Reno and just dumped her there because it is an industrial area and then proceeded home. What's south on 395 from there?

South Reno is probably the fastest growing area around here. Just south of that industrial area (around Double Diamond) are tons of new housing/apartment complexes. I still get the feeling he lives closer to UNR though - just a hunch - but I think he's hunting close to home and dumping further away. He might work down there though.

[H0NEYWEST]

There was quite a bit on the ground last week. I still have an inch or so on the north saide of my house, but I'm at a slightly higher elevation.

[KR2tonenow]

There was quite a bit on the ground last week. I still have an inch or so on the north saide of my house, but I'm at a slightly higher elevation.

Ok, so the theory is, he dumped her in the snow. Because even if the body was there one week, from seeing those photobuckets from Adnoid, there are cars parked easily there.

Do cars park there for parking or driving to get to these buildings? I am still trying to understand why it took one week for anyone to notice that there was a dead woman there, and a highly profiled case at that.

[panthera]

South Reno is probably the fastest growing area around here. Just south of that industrial area (around Double Diamond) are tons of new housing/apartment complexes. I still get the feeling he lives closer to UNR though - just a hunch - but I think he's hunting close to home and dumping further away. He might work down there though.
Thanks, that helps try to figure this out. Ironically I was following Darren Mack's case too and had Googled maps of Reno for the location of his condo and the Starbucks he'd stopped at on his way to the Courthouse, and it seems not that far from this location. I'm beginning to feel like Reno is a 2nd home for me! :)

[H0NEYWEST]

Ok, so the theory is, he dumped her in the snow. Because even if the body was there one week, from seeing those photobuckets from Adnoid, there are cars parked easily there.

Do cars park there for parking or driving to get to these buildings? I am still trying to understand why it took one week for anyone to notice that there was a dead woman there, and a highly profiled case at that.

I only looked at a few of Adnoid's pictures, but I think the cars you see are people coming to look at where the body was found. The industrial parks all have parking lots. There are still a lot of undeveloped areas in Reno, and many rural areas. You could dump a body within blocks of my house and I doubt it would be found unless someone happened to be out running their dog.

[H0NEYWEST]

Thanks, that helps try to figure this out. Ironically I was following Darren Mack's case too and had Googled maps of Reno for the location of his condo and the Starbucks he'd stopped at on his way to the Courthouse, and it seems not that far from this location. I'm beginning to feel like Reno is a 2nd home for me! :)

Reno is smaller than it appears (as you've probably noticed). But it seems that newbies/yuppies live in the south - the older homes/apartments are more north - but there are more jobs in the south.

ETA: I'm considered "waaay" north from Reno (I came from L.A., so I find the locals idea of distance and traffic a hoot), but I could get to where the body was found in about 20 minutes.

[panthera]

Reno is smaller than it appears (as you've probably noticed). But it seems that newbies/yuppies live in the south - the older homes/apartments are more north - but there are more jobs in the south.
It doesn't look that small on the map but I understand it's only 8 mi. from where Brianna was abducted to this site, which surprised me. I thought it was "moving south" from the looks of his (Mack's) condo which was quite expensive,while all the hotel/casinos seem to be in the downtown (old) area not far from the university. I really feel for LE in trying to figure this puzzle out as to who the perpetrator is, and get him before he harms someone else.

[LionRun]

Honey, I just have to ask. Do you have an ocelot? BTW, it is good to have another Reno resident here. Thank you for the info:).

Lion

[adnoid]

Thanks so much for the photos adnoid :) The spot where the memorials are isn't exactly where she was found, correct? Toward the end of the photos I saw a couple that looked like where the body had been.

The last two photos in the second batch (5216 and 5217) are, I believe, where she was. About 100 feet from Sandhill road, and the area was really trampled. Unfortunately, it was taken pointing at the ground so it's hard to tell much about what would have been visible from there.

[H0NEYWEST]

Honey, I just have to ask. Do you have an ocelot? BTW, it is good to have another Reno resident here. Thank you for the info:).

Lion

Only in my alternate universe - it's an homage to the old Honey West TV show. And yay for Reno. For years I thought I was the only person from Reno on here.

Strangely, once Mack was caught, I wasn't the least bit interested in the story.

[LionRun]

LOL, HoneyWest. I'm glad you are here:).

Lion

[adnoid]

Adnoid,
Are all the buildings we see in the pictures commercial establishments?

What I'm wondering is if most if not all of the surrounding buildings are commercial, and as such would only be occupied during daytime hours, or in the case of restaurants, have a closing time? There would be a time-frame of about 6 hours, from midnight until 6:00am, when there would be very few people in the area, with the exception of night-time janitorial crews. This might be the time that the suspect disposed of the body.

If the body was disposed of on January 20th, the day Brianna was kidnapped, no one would be aware yet that there was a missing woman.

Yes - all commercial. A couple of restaurants, mainly catering to the folks working around there. One of my favorite restaurants on this end of town is near there, "Jazmine", and although they are open for dinner they are seldom full Monday-Thursday evenings.

The Chinese lunch place you see in some of the pictures (Hong Kong Diner II) is the closest business to where she was found.

[panthera]

The last two photos in the second batch (5216 and 5217) are, I believe, where she was. About 100 feet from Sandhill road, and the area was really trampled. Unfortunately, it was taken pointing at the ground so it's hard to tell much about what would have been visible from there.
Thank you again Adnoid for going there and taking the photos. That's what I thought because that particular place did look trampled down. I'm getting a very good idea of what the area is like and how this creep probably went there at night and just dumped her in the snow, then more snow fell to cover her up until it melted.

[adnoid]

...We only have two freeways here.

Yep. That means only 1 interchange. Twice a day it gets backed up and the local radio stations report the "traffic".

I grew up in LA. I know traffic. Reno has no traffic.

[LionRun]

Yep. That means only 1 interchange. Twice a day it gets backed up and the local radio stations report the "traffic".

I grew up in LA. I know traffic. Reno has no traffic.

Too funny, adnoid!

I'm originally from NY and NJ, and we had a whole family of parking lots that were named after highways:D.

Lion

[adnoid]

...from seeing those photobuckets from Adnoid, there are cars parked easily there.

Do cars park there for parking or driving to get to these buildings? I am still trying to understand why it took one week for anyone to notice that there was a dead woman there, and a highly profiled case at that.

Honestly, until today I have never seen cars parked on that street, although it's legal. There is a lot of parking lot space around - it's all new development with many spaces per business.

Also, I had never driven that road before today. It runs between two parallel street (Double R and Gateway) and the only thing off of it is an entrance to the parking lot in front of the Hong Kong Diner - and that parking lot also has entrances on both Gateway and Double R.

Don't discount the snow cover - it can hide a lot of things. In this case I feel it did.

[Leila]

Thanks for the post! Front map lights crossed my mind too. I keep looking, but I swear every truck/suv is starting to look the same.

I'm afraid I can't be much help as I don't have a pickup truck, but I just checked the websites of various trucks and in particular looked at interiors to see if I could find anything that comes close to the description the police have given.

MITSUBISHI - green radio LED read out - dome light above rear view mirror - does have cloth upholstery

CHEVY - blue with some red radio LED read out - small, narrow console, no dome light

FORD - green radio LED read out - small center console

HONDA - black on gold radio LED read out

DODGE - blue radio LED read out - very narrow center console

[H0NEYWEST]

If you look around at some of the crime web sites, you'll find there have been a lot of unsolved disappearances in Reno over the years - but not recently enough for me to think they are connected to this one.

The one that still gets to me is Jennifer Martin. She disappeared in 1987 (and I didn't live here then), but everytime I stop by the 7-11 in Lemmon Valley I stare at the trailer park. It just gives me chills, how a kid could vanish into thin air.

[H0NEYWEST]

I'm afraid I can't be much help as I don't have a pickup truck, but I just checked the websites of various trucks and in particular looked at interiors to see if I could find anything that comes close to the description the police have given.

MITSUBISHI - green radio LED read out - dome light above rear view mirror - does have cloth upholstery

CHEVY - blue with some red radio LED read out - small, narrow console, no dome light

FORD - green radio LED read out - small center console

HONDA - black on gold radio LED read out

DODGE - blue radio LED read out - very narrow center console

THANK YOU!!!!!! At least that narrows it down a little bit. I think I might go used truck/suv shopping.

[panthera]

Don't discount the snow cover - it can hide a lot of things. In this case I feel it did.
Since you live there and know what the weather's been like first hand, do you think she was dumped there right after the abduction and been "snowed in" until a few days ago or placed there recently? Just curious! :)

[adnoid]

Reno is smaller than it appears (as you've probably noticed). But it seems that newbies/yuppies live in the south - the older homes/apartments are more north - but there are more jobs in the south...

Well, I moved to Nevada in 1995 (although I lived in Incline until 2002), so I guess that makes me a newbie. At 47 I don't think I can qualify as a yuppie any more.

...ETA: I'm considered "waaay" north from Reno (I came from L.A., so I find the locals idea of distance and traffic a hoot), but I could get to where the body was found in about 20 minutes.

And I can get there from where I live (I don't know if Curti Ranch counts as "waaay" south) in about 5, and I was able to see the flashing lights Friday night if I walked down Veteran's Parkway a bit - again, because we're up a little higher here than South Meadows.

Yes, coming from LA as well, the local concept of what involves going "all the way across town" gives me a smile! Great people here, though, considering we're a bunch of law-breaking, paycheck-gambling, booze-swilling whore chasers according to some who have posted on this thread.

[panthera]

I'm afraid I can't be much help as I don't have a pickup truck, but I just checked the websites of various trucks and in particular looked at interiors to see if I could find anything that comes close to the description the police have given.

MITSUBISHI - green radio LED read out - dome light above rear view mirror - does have cloth upholstery

CHEVY - blue with some red radio LED read out - small, narrow console, no dome light

FORD - green radio LED read out - small center console

HONDA - black on gold radio LED read out

DODGE - blue radio LED read out - very narrow center console
Thanks Leila for all your hard work! None of these seem to fit the exact description, but I'm wondering what Toyota has since it was mentioned here about a Tundra.

[panthera]

Yes, coming from LA as well, the local concept of what involves going "all the way across town" gives me a smile! Great people here, though, considering we're a bunch of law-breaking, paycheck-gambling, booze-swilling whore chasers according to some who have posted on this thread.
I've never been to Reno, but from the photos I've seen on this case and from the Darren Mack trial, it doesn't seem like a bad place at all. The mountains are beautiful! :)

[Leila]

Thanks, that helps try to figure this out. Ironically I was following Darren Mack's case too and had Googled maps of Reno for the location of his condo and the Starbucks he'd stopped at on his way to the Courthouse, and it seems not that far from this location. I'm beginning to feel like Reno is a 2nd home for me! :)

I hear ya! I too followed the Darren Mack case from beginning to end, starting with the Fox News special alert that there had been a shooting in downtown Reno. So, Reno has become a familiar place to me too. We've vacationed there in the past, so I have a bit of a handle on the city. :)

[adnoid]

Since you live there and know what the weather's been like first hand, do you think she was dumped there right after the abduction and been "snowed in" until a few days ago or placed there recently? Just curious! :)

That's what it look like to me, yes.

[H0NEYWEST]

Well, I moved to Nevada in 1995 (although I lived in Incline until 2002), so I guess that makes me a newbie. At 47 I don't think I can qualify as a yuppie any more.

I meant that it's more expensive down there, at least from what I've seen. I don't think of the perp as having a well paying job - just my hunch. I think he lives closer to downtown and was dumping in the south (away from his hunting ground).

I live in North Valley and people from work kept saying, "how can you drive that far every night?" Snicker.

Yes, coming from LA as well, the local concept of what involves going "all the way across town" gives me a smile! Great people here, though, considering we're a bunch of law-breaking, paycheck-gambling, booze-swilling whore chasers according to some who have posted on this thread.

I love being able to do more than one thing in a day - like go to Trader Joe's and then "all the way" to Sparks Marina - taking time out to get drunk and sell my body on 4th Street of course.

[adnoid]

...taking time out to get drunk and sell my body on 4th Street of course.

Was that you? Sorry, I gambled away your tip in between drug deals.

[adnoid]

Thanks Leila for all your hard work! None of these seem to fit the exact description, but I'm wondering what Toyota has since it was mentioned here about a Tundra.

Also, interiors can change between model years.

[panthera]

I hear ya! I too followed the Darren Mack case from beginning to end, starting with the Fox News special alert that there had been a shooting in downtown Reno. So, Reno has become a familiar place to me too. We've vacationed there in the past, so I have a bit of a handle on the city. :)
Yes I remember! It seems so eerie that we've just finished with that case and another one in the same city, and maybe that's what drew me to follow Brianna's abduction. I feel badly for those who live there to be the focus of the national news.

[H0NEYWEST]

Was that you? Sorry, I gambled away your tip.

Dang! I'm usually there on Thursdays, trying to pick-up the drunks kicked out of Fantasy Girls.

[panthera]

That's what it look like to me, yes.
I've been thinking she was there all along too.

[adnoid]

...the drunks kicked out of Fantasy Girls.

How drunk do you have to be to be kicked out of that place?

[panthera]

Also, interiors can change between model years.
That's also very true. The placement of the dome light and the red/blue readout on the radio seem to be key since most vehicles that Leila listed have no light there and have green LED.

[Leila]

THANK YOU!!!!!! At least that narrows it down a little bit. I think I might go used truck/suv shopping.

You're welcome! :) The list I gave is for 2008 models, so it's very possible that with year-to-year model changes, an earlier model might fit the description.

I'm surprised the police haven't researched this with local car dealerships, to try to figure out make, model, and year. There's one out there that fits the description of the truck the police are looking for.

[H0NEYWEST]

I've been thinking she was there all along too.

Me too.

[H0NEYWEST]

How drunk do you have to be to be kicked out of that place?

Hey! That thar place is classy-like! Them girls is even on the radio sometimes talking about the Monday night football specials. Now if we were talking the Spice House...

[Leila]

Thanks Leila for all your hard work! None of these seem to fit the exact description, but I'm wondering what Toyota has since it was mentioned here about a Tundra.

Toyota was the one brand I couldn't get to load - they had some sort of player that had to be downloaded to view their interior/exterior pictures. I think it was a flash player, but I've already got the most recent update of flash, so I didn't want to download something I didn't know anything about.

[adnoid]

I've been thinking she was there all along too.

(NOTE: Not trying to be ghoulish here, OK, just discussing. PLEASE nobody take offense!)

Think for a minute how tough it would be to keep a live person for an extended period of time.

When Laci Peterson was killed by her no-good lowlife scum-sucking "husband" Scott and her body washed up on the shore in the San Francisco Bay, there was one of his supporters (mercifully she never posted here) who claimed that Laci was actually kidnapped by Scott's mistress and kept captive for a month or so. I went around with this person working out how many people would have had to be involved to carry this out without any outward sign to the world of what was going on. I think we worked out (before she gave up talking to me) 6 or 7 people would have had to be involved so that everyone could keep up their daily schedule and appearance, while still providing at least 1 person to watch the captive at all times. It doesn't happen.

[panthera]

Me too.
I'm just hoping he's found very soon. There's an AP article out now saying how scared everyone is on campus and buying everything for self-protection. :(

[TheBugHouse]

This is driving me crazy! I have searched on all of the Brianna threads, and while posters mention the perp's vehicle having a dome light up near the windshield, no one has speculated on what make the truck/suv might be - or maybe the search function wasn't working correctly.

I did find one post where someone said Hummers have lights like that, and went on to say that other vehicles do too, but didn't say which makes. I live in Reno, and ever since Brianna was abducted and the description released I check every truck/suv I see - I have yet to see one with a forward dome light.

There must be a car/truck freak somewhere on this site who can say something like, "Chevys have lights like that." I have been googling my brains out looking at auto parts, but I'm not getting anywhere. Is it something more common on older vehicles?
>
Reading this post, I realized that LE/retired LE vehicles have a huge dome light up front. Have you ever been in a crwon vic taxi that is a retired cruiser? You can always tell by the dome light! Perhaps LE is thinking along these lines already? However, a pickup is not a typical LE vehicle, but an SUV is.
>
Just like you think it's cute to hear about the "traffic" in reno, I think it's cute to hear 10's and 20's described as "cold" and 1 or 2 feet of snow as "deep"!:)
>
HW, Adnoid, your sarcasm isn't wasted on me! Love it!

[adnoid]

Yes I remember! It seems so eerie that we've just finished with that case and another one in the same city, and maybe that's what drew me to follow Brianna's abduction. I feel badly for those who live there to be the focus of the national news.

I don't claim Mack. He's worthless.

I see he has a new girlfriend. She sits there and listens to the guy describe in detail how he stabbed his wife through the neck - and then she's on all the local new sites working hard to get the message out that he should be free - to be with her. It's just like OJ's g/f who's in the hospital now. Nobody deserves to be assaulted, but come on ladies, look at the history.

[H0NEYWEST]

(NOTE: Not trying to be ghoulish here, OK, just discussing. PLEASE nobody take offense!)

Think for a minute how tough it would be to keep a live person for an extended period of time....

I completely agree. Also, even though the perp is "developing" - from fondle to rape to murder - I don't think he has many details worked out. I think it was more of a "go hunting/dump body" kind of thing.

About the baby shoe...I'm thinking Ted Bundy here...maybe he has a wife/girlfriend with a baby who works nights at one of the casinos (???) - maybe he's supposed to be watching the baby while she works. He could leave when the kid is asleep and not have to account for his whereabouts. It could even be her vehicle.

[TheBugHouse]

(NOTE: Not trying to be ghoulish here, OK, just discussing. PLEASE nobody take offense!)

Think for a minute how tough it would be to keep a live person for an extended period of time.
>
Google Katie Beers.

[panthera]

(NOTE: Not trying to be ghoulish here, OK, just discussing. PLEASE nobody take offense!)

Think for a minute how tough it would be to keep a live person for an extended period of time.

When Laci Peterson was killed by her no-good lowlife scum-sucking "husband" Scott and her body washed up on the shore in the San Francisco Bay, there was one of his supporters (mercifully she never posted here) who claimed that Laci was actually kidnapped by Scott's mistress and kept captive for a month or so. I went around with this person working out how many people would have had to be involved to carry this out without any outward sign to the world of what was going on. I think we worked out (before she gave up talking to me) 6 or 7 people would have had to be involved so that everyone could keep up their daily schedule and appearance, while still providing at least 1 person to watch the captive at all times. It doesn't happen.
LOL ~ I know it doesn't make sense! :) I just heard some speculation on cable news that she could've been kept alive for 2 wks. or moved to where she was found about a week ago. Being that the Dec. victim was rendered unconscious (but survived) I think it's very likely that he strangled Brianna that early morning of her abduction.

[adnoid]

...Them girls is even on the radio sometimes talking about the Monday night football specials...

It's pretty tough to concentrate on the games there. I mean, that's what my friends tell me...

[H0NEYWEST]

It's pretty tough to concentrate on the games there. I mean, that's what my friends tell me...

What, no Super Bowl party at the Moonlite Bunny Ranch? No wait...that waaaay too far to drive.

[panthera]

I don't claim Mack. He's worthless.

I see he has a new girlfriend. She sits there and listens to the guy describe in detail how he stabbed his wife through the neck - and then she's on all the local new sites working hard to get the message out that he should be free - to be with her. It's just like OJ's g/f who's in the hospital now. Nobody deserves to be assaulted, but come on ladies, look at the history.
Oh I know ~ where on earth did Mack hook up with that woman? He even has her doing all his legal papers! I've actually wondered if his family is paying her for her help in his "cause" since I can't imagine anyone being that stupid! :)

[adnoid]

What, no Super Bowl party at the Midnight Bunny Ranch? No wait...that waaaay too far to drive.

Actually, I work in Carson City ("you mean you COMMUTE 25 minutes EACH WAY?! EVERY DAY?!?!") and that's about 5 minutes from my office. Not that I know anything about it. And it's spelled "Moonlite". And they charge a lot for beer.

[adnoid]

>
Google Katie Beers.

Oh, I know it happens. It's just really uncommon, and to do it by yourself requires a lot of advanced planning.

[H0NEYWEST]

Actually, I work in Carson City ("you mean you COMMUTE 25 minutes EACH WAY?! EVERY DAY?!?!") and that's about 5 minutes from my office. Not that I know anything about it. And it's spelled "Midnite". And they charge a lot for beer.

LOL! I first wrote "Midnite" but googled it and got "Moonlite" - I guess you would know better - cough - I mean from what your friends told you...

[TheBugHouse]

Oh, I know it happens. It's just really uncommon, and to do it by yourself requires a lot of advanced planning.
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I agree, and in this case it would be highly unlikely.

[H0NEYWEST]

I've thought about looking for work in Carson, but that stretch of Washoe Valley that closes due to wind all the time seems like it would be a problem. I wish there was a Reno to Carson train.

[Leila]

I'm just hoping he's found very soon. There's an AP article out now saying how scared everyone is on campus and buying everything for self-protection. :(

I'm glad that the students are scared. In this case, being scared might make them think more about their personal safety. Hopefully by exercising caution - locking their apartment doors, locking their car doors, and only walking in groups from place to place will prevent another young woman from being kidnapped, raped, or killed.

Some years ago, a good friend of ours, a sheriff deputy with the Sacramento Sheriffs Dept., was making the rounds of college campuses teaching safety and self-protection. Our daughter attended one of his lectures and got a lot of good tips on self-protection. To this day, her car is locked up tight whenever she goes anywhere. If I'm a passenger, I have to ask her to unlock the passenger window for me.

[adnoid]

...I guess you would know better - cough - I mean from what your friends told you...

Actually, I have been in there. Story for another time. I kept all my clothes on, just went in the front room.

[adnoid]

I've thought about looking for work in Carson, but that stretch of Washoe Valley that closes due to wind all the time seems like it would be a problem. I wish there was a Reno to Carson train.

Washoe Valley Wind Sock: An anvil on a chain.

[H0NEYWEST]

Washoe Valley Wind Sock: An anvil on a chain.

No kidding! When I first moved up here, and didn't know my way around, I almost bought a house up Mt. Rose hwy. I'm really glad it didn't work out.

[Leila]

I don't claim Mack. He's worthless.

I see he has a new girlfriend. She sits there and listens to the guy describe in detail how he stabbed his wife through the neck - and then she's on all the local new sites working hard to get the message out that he should be free - to be with her. It's just like OJ's g/f who's in the hospital now. Nobody deserves to be assaulted, but come on ladies, look at the history.

Darren Mack's new girlfriend, Alecia Biddison, is trying desperately to get legislation to have Nevada judges appointed rather than elected. I think this is a dangerous direction to go in. Right now, judges are elected by the people. To have some sort of commission that appoints judges, takes away the right of the citizens to vote and have a measure of control.

[panthera]

I'm glad that the students are scared. In this case, being scared might make them think more about their personal safety. Hopefully by exercising caution - locking their apartment doors, locking their car doors, and only walking in groups from place to place will prevent another young woman from being kidnapped, raped, or killed.

Some years ago, a good friend of ours, a sheriff deputy with the Sacramento Sheriffs Dept., was making the rounds of college campuses teaching safety and self-protection. Our daughter attended one of his lectures and got a lot of good tips on self-protection. To this day, her car is locked up tight whenever she goes anywhere. If I'm a passenger, I have to ask her to unlock the passenger window for me.
I agree with you and it's really sad though that it takes a series of violent assaults and a murder to make people wake up to the dangers around them. Locking doors, for example, is something that should've been done long ago and in this case Brianna might be alive today. It's just a fact that criminals are out there no matter where you live and everyone needs to be careful.

[adnoid]

Oh I know ~ where on earth did Mack hook up with that woman?...

www.hybristophilia.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/magazine/28WWLN.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

[panthera]

Oh, I know it happens. It's just really uncommon, and to do it by yourself requires a lot of advanced planning.
Another thought since the Dec. victim was unconscious but later dropped back off at her home, that maybe when rendering Brianna unconscious he went too far and she died? He may be a serial rapist who has escalated to murder, but not intentionally? Or I may be wrong, but it was just something that came to mind following along what had happened to the previous victim.

[adnoid]

Another thought since the Dec. victim was unconscious but later dropped back off at her home, that maybe when rendering Brianna unconscious he went too far and she died?...

Entirely possible.

[panthera]

www.hybristophilia.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/28/magazine/28WWLN.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)
Yes, Biddy belongs in the same category. Who knows, maybe this suspect has a woman who's like those in the article? That would explain why no one has turned him in yet.

[H0NEYWEST]

Entirely possible.

True - but they found Brianna's blood in the house. Unfortunately, I think he is escalating.

[panthera]

Entirely possible.
I'm sure whenever he's caught and brought to trial, his defense will think of that one too ~ but it just may be what happened. Does Nevada have a felony murder statute, where the perp is guilty of murder if the victim dies during the commission of another crime?

[adnoid]

Does Nevada have a felony murder statute, where the perp is guilty of murder if the victim dies during the commission of another crime?

We sure do. We also have the Death Penalty - and we use it.

[H0NEYWEST]

I'm sure whenever he's caught and brought to trial, his defense will think of that one too ~ but it just may be what happened. Does Nevada have a felony murder statute, where the perp is guilty of murder if the victim dies during the commission of another crime?

I'm not sure...but we have the death penalty. Excuse me for smiling.

[panthera]

We sure do. We also have the Death Penalty - and we use it.
Thanks, now I feel better that an "accident" could still get him where he belongs.

Off to bed now, with prayers this monster is caught very soon! Have a good night everyone :)

[H0NEYWEST]

Good night to you too

[SuziQ]

Honeywest! It's so good to see you here. You've been on my mind throughout this case. Hearing anything interesting on your end?

Adnoid, I'm a "Valley Girl" now living in Utah. Honeywest and I have walked down memory lane many of times. What's great about not living in L.A. is I can actually go 20 miles in half an hour instead of an hour or longer.

[philamena]

The perp is a repeat offender/sexual predator but one who killed this time.
How many unsolved disappearances/murders of college aged women have been reported in that area of Reno?

What businesses are in the area surrounding where Brianna were found?
I get the feeling he is someone who works at the college or close to where Brianna was found.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080217/NEWS/802170346/1002



Police said the killer :waitasec: might not necessarily have a violent criminal history. He might be a resident of the neighborhood immediately west of the UNR campus and/or might have intimate knowledge of the area. He might have lived or worked near the area of Prototype Drive and Sandhill Road because that choice of a location to leave the body....

[H0NEYWEST]

Hey Sue! No news here other than what you've read in the media.

[H0NEYWEST]

The perp is a repeat offender/sexual predator but one who killed this time.
How many unsolved disappearances/murders of college aged women have been reported in that area of Reno?

What businesses are in the area surrounding where Brianna were found?
I get the feeling he is someone who works at the college or close to where Brianna was found.
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080217/NEWS/802170346/1002

There haven't been any disappearances or murders that I'm aware of. Her body was found in a commercial area - several industrial parks.

[SeriouslySearching]

This is driving me crazy! I have searched on all of the Brianna threads, and while posters mention the perp's vehicle having a dome light up near the windshield, no one has speculated on what make the truck/suv might be - or maybe the search function wasn't working correctly.

I did find one post where someone said Hummers have lights like that, and went on to say that other vehicles do too, but didn't say which makes. I live in Reno, and ever since Brianna was abducted and the description released I check every truck/suv I see - I have yet to see one with a forward dome light.

There must be a car/truck freak somewhere on this site who can say something like, "Chevys have lights like that." I have been googling my brains out looking at auto parts, but I'm not getting anywhere. Is it something more common on older vehicles?I spent hours going through photos of trucks and suvs. One problem is they rarely show photos which include that area of the inside. I also went through the auto parts lists and found many aftermarket adds...but not too many for anything except Hummers. However, I did run across GMC trucks which seemed to have "courtesy lamps" above the mirror in the front. http://billdelordgmc.com/New-VehicleResearch.aspx?StyleId=1054437 Go to the bottom of the page on the right. They said it was an older truck, but gave no indication of how old. Old could mean two years, five years, or ten years. Who knows?

[Rolex]

I live in Sparks, my daughters friend age 16 was raped/murdered Sept, 06 at Sparks Marina apt. building. Her name was Holly Quick a 10th grader at Spanish Springs High School.
It wasn't on the national news but you can google her name and find it. The ass that did it was caught and just finished trial. I know you guys think the RPD may not know what they are doing, but believe me they do. My friend's husband works for the DA and they know more than you think. They will find him, they have some of the best working here.

[H0NEYWEST]

I live in Sparks, my daughters friend age 16 was raped/murdered Sept, 06 at Sparks Marina apt. building. Her name was Holly Quick a 10th grader at Spanish Springs High School.
It wasn't on the national news but you can google her name and find it. The ass that did it was caught and just finished trial. I know you guys think the RPD may not know what they are doing, but believe me they do. My friend's husband works for the DA and they know more than you think. They will find him, they have some of the best working here.

I am so very sorry about your daughter's friend. I haven't been reading here for very long, so I don't know who thinks RPD is doing a bad job. I think they are right on top of things.

[SeriouslySearching]

The 2000 Chevy Blazer has a thinner console than most I have found so far. I have been looking on ebay at the consoles.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-CHEVROLET-BLAZER-CENTER-CONSOLE-ENVOY-JIMMY-BRAVADA_W0QQitemZ350024791500QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem350024791500

Instead of looking for dome lights...we should be looking perhaps for "overhead consoles with lights". I have run across many of those on Ebay.

[H0NEYWEST]

The 2000 Chevy Blazer has a thinner console than most I have found so far. I have been looking on ebay at the consoles.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-CHEVROLET-BLAZER-CENTER-CONSOLE-ENVOY-JIMMY-BRAVADA_W0QQitemZ350024791500QQcmdZViewItem?hash=i tem350024791500

I've been looking at Dodge Dakota's too.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Center-Console-Chevrolet-Chevy-Suburban-Tahoe-GMC-Yukon_W0QQitemZ200199846297QQcmdZViewItem?hash=ite m200199846297#ebayphotohosting

It seems the most consistent thing I come up with having both the overhead front light and the smaller center console in the larger trucks (had to step up to get in) would be the GMC Sierras.

[H0NEYWEST]

I'm not sure the truck is necessarily large - One has to step up to get into my Ford Ranger.

[SeriouslySearching]

I live in Sparks, my daughters friend age 16 was raped/murdered Sept, 06 at Sparks Marina apt. building. Her name was Holly Quick a 10th grader at Spanish Springs High School.
It wasn't on the national news but you can google her name and find it. The ass that did it was caught and just finished trial. I know you guys think the RPD may not know what they are doing, but believe me they do. My friend's husband works for the DA and they know more than you think. They will find him, they have some of the best working here.I am very sorry about your daughter's friend. What a horrible thing to have happen to anyone! I am glad they found him and they have some peace having justice for their daughter. Bless their hearts.

I know you are probably talking about me since I am the most outspoken about the way I feel they have handled this case and the cases of the other two victims who were raped, but thankfully were not killed. I appreciate that you feel they did a good job in the case of your friend's daughter. However, I still say when they did not reinterview the second victim for all the details until after Brianna went missing and after the perp tried to break into where he thought she still lived the day before...it tells me they did not do a bang up job of protecting her or the public. They did not connect the DNA from the first two rapes until Brianna went missing either. They simply didn't try to work those cases to the best of their ability which allowed this perp to be free to carry out this brutal attack and murder on Brianna. They also included the sketch in this case which they should never have done without sufficient evidence to suggest it was definitely connected to the other 3 crimes. This has hurt the case immeasurably since the public now assumes he is the perp they are looking for when in fact he is not. They need to publically retract the sketch in a press conference instead of stop using it. It was a bonehead move on their part to put it out, imo.

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm not sure the truck is necessarily large - One has to step up to get into my Ford Ranger.LOL Well, that doesn't help to narrow the field any...does it?! :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

Adnoid, your photos are excellent! Thanks for going to all the work and trouble to take them for us. That is going above and beyond the call of WS duty! Kudos!

They do give a clearer picture of where she was found. The brush is quite tall and she could have been well hidden even without the snow unless you are actually walking thru the field. Walking or driving around the perimeter, you probably never would have noticed her.

I also have to question how the people on the second floor of those buildings didn't see anything tho. From their view, it would have been easier to notice a body or something amiss in that area. Maybe you should ask to take some shots from their windows. :)

[H0NEYWEST]

Adnoid, your photos are excellent! Thanks for going to all the work and trouble to take them for us. That is going above and beyond the call of WS duty! Kudos!

They do give a clearer picture of where she was found. The brush is quite tall and she could have been well hidden even without the snow unless you are actually walking thru the field. Walking or driving around the perimeter, you probably never would have noticed her.

I also have to question how the people on the second floor of those buildings didn't see anything tho. From their view, it would have been easier to notice a body or something amiss in that area. Maybe you should ask to take some shots from their windows. :)

I'm not sure they would have seen anything. The brush is fairly high, as you said, but also the ground isn't flat. There are cevices and such all over the place. Have you seen an aerial view of the area? It will give you a better idea.

[H0NEYWEST]

I posted this earlier - her body was found between Prototype and Double R (on Sandhill)

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=aerial&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

[SeriouslySearching]

I have seen it on google maps and google earth. The link you gave me was for GA tho. LOL

[H0NEYWEST]

I have seen it on google maps and google earth. The link you gave me was for GA tho. LOL

LOL! That's weird - I'm looking at the map now and just cut and pasted the url...

[SeriouslySearching]

Doesn't LE have books of vehicles for the second victim to go through and figure out which kind of truck or suv it was?! I thought they kept these to use specifically for cases like this?

[H0NEYWEST]

Anyway - the brush here can hide a lot of things - then there was snow

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL I just read your location. Everclear jello shots. ROFLMAO

[H0NEYWEST]

Doesn't LE have books of vehicles for the second victim to go through and figure out which kind of truck or suv it was?! I thought they kept these to use specifically for cases like this?

Someone at the RGJ site forum suggested LE take the victim to a used car lot to look around. I imagine LE has thought of things like that - I'm sure they aren't telling the public everything.

[SeriouslySearching]

Would be kinda difficult since she is now in Thailand or wherever she was from. :) She is also one very lucky girl to have escaped with her life not once, but twice from this perp!

[H0NEYWEST]

LOL I just read your location. Everclear jello shots. ROFLMAO

A couple of years back a few of us got silly on one of the crime sites (maybe here I'm not sure) about jello shots - and then discussing a perp who someone suggested was probably in the Bahama's doing jello shots off Elvis' stomach.

On another site my location is "lost in Walmart, ripped on Mescaline and Neosporin". I sometimes get confused about where I am....

[SeriouslySearching]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :D A couple of years back a few of us got silly on one of the crime sites (maybe here I'm not sure) about jello shots - and then discussing a perp who someone suggested was probably in the Bahama's doing jello shots off Elvis' stomach.

On another site my location is "lost in Walmart, ripped on Mescaline and Neosporin". I sometimes get confused about where I am....

[Leila]

I live in Sparks, my daughters friend age 16 was raped/murdered Sept, 06 at Sparks Marina apt. building. Her name was Holly Quick a 10th grader at Spanish Springs High School.
It wasn't on the national news but you can google her name and find it. The ass that did it was caught and just finished trial. I know you guys think the RPD may not know what they are doing, but believe me they do. My friend's husband works for the DA and they know more than you think. They will find him, they have some of the best working here.

Sorry to hear about your daughter's friend, but glad the murderer was brought to justice.

I followed the Darren Mack case from beginning to end, and I think the Reno Police Dept. is one of the best! I was very surprised when the police dept. published a pdf file in the RGJ of the evidence collected from Mack's c