Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #6

[Reannan]

I think the woman who was found needs to be questioned. What if she is someone who thinks they know who the perp is? What if she went to where Bri was found to try and get up the nerve to go to LE?

[Leila]

I just got caught up reading all the posts on the last thread and want to comment.

Adnoid,
No kidding. My wife got a call from a member of local LE, curious about the number of times my car had been seen in the area where she was found.

Wow..........this just shows us that people are really being observant and reporting anything suspicious. We all really appreciate all you've done, giving us information about the area and taking all those great pictures! :)

I also want to welcome GR987 to WS........you've got some good thoughts in your posts. :)

And I also want to welcome Skippermd to WS. You gave a great over all description of the neighborhood around the UNR and that gives us a real good feel for the area. :)

I'm so glad that 20-year-old woman was found and is ok............what was she thinking, walking alone out there with a monster on the loose!

[Leila]

Hmmmmmm...............I'm trying ti figure out how my post ended up being the second post in this thread. When I clicked on reply, there were 7 other posts already in the thread?

[SeriouslySearching]

OK, Chico! :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks! It won't let me put up links for some reason. Good job, Chico!!

[SeriouslySearching]

I think the best thing they can do is stay together in groups. Lock their doors both day and night. Keep their cell phones charged and on their person. Don't party so they are alert during the night. They need to constantly be aware of their surroundings.

[adnoid]

Woman has been found (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080220/NEWS18/80220059&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

The woman who was thought to be missing was found "walking around the area".

[SeriouslySearching]

OT: Is anyone else having problems posting?!

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, thank goodness!! Now, someone needs to go smack her!!!

[ThoughtFox]

I saw a report on one of the news channels about pepper spray and tasers - even Bear Spray!!! - being bought in Reno, and it actually made me more frightened because what if this guy decides to use one of those on the victims! If police found it in this guys car, he could just say his wife was using it because she was scared.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080220/NEWS01/802200444/1016/NEWS

Area retailers said they can't keep up with the demand for pepper spray.

Local sporting good stores and gun shops have sold thousands of the aerosol spray canisters that can incapacitate an attacker by causing temporary blindness, difficulty breathing, a runny nose and coughing.

The killing of Brianna Denison by what police say is a serial rapist has many young women looking for any line of defense, retail clerks said.

"We probably sell 30 to 40 of them a day," said Robert Currier of the Scotland Yard Spy Shop on Virginia Street. "We have a list of 30 people who have already paid and are waiting for us to stock it again."

The REI store has been turning away customers looking for a spray used to fend off bear attacks as a method of defense.

"Bear spray is not for anyone looking for a product for personal safety," said James Hedges, a manager at REI.



Wed, Feb 20 - Nancy Grace Transcript - about the underwear found that was not Brianna's, as well as descriptive elements (I'll post some of it on the other thread):
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0802/20/ng.01.html

[close_enough]

Well, thank goodness!! Now, someone needs to go smack her!!!

i agree!!

[ThoughtFox]

Woman has been found (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080220/NEWS18/80220059&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews)

The woman who was thought to be missing was found "walking around the area".
Good grief! She needs to go home and lock the door! :eek:

[txsvicki]

I don't think pepper spray is all that much of a deterrent. The mace that police use would be better. I accidentally sprayed myself with pepper spray once and it didn't incapacitate me at all.

[Leila]

I posted earlier that when I replied to the thread there were already 7 other posts, but my post wound up as the second. Then my post reporting the problem would up as post # 3.

I'm posting this message to see if it ends up at the end of the replies as it should, or further up in the thread.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL Yes, that is what mine are doing also! Either they end up gone or they end up a few above the others where they don't belong. (Then again...it really makes it fun when I make remarks to people's posts who are after mine. HAHAHAHA!)

[Leila]

I don't think pepper spray is all that much of a deterrent. The mace that police use would be better. I accidentally sprayed myself with pepper spray once and it didn't incapacitate me at all.

The problem with pepper spray is that it's been reported that the suspect grabs women from behind and with their arms pinned and a hand over their mouth, how are they going to get to the pepper spray?

One of the people who commented on one of the articles in the RGJ has a lot of good self-defense suggestions. Check out the comments of the poster, Alpharaider here:

http://talk.rgj.com/viewtopic.php?t=60704

[Leila]

LOL Yes, that is what mine are doing also! Either they end up gone or they end up a few above the others where they don't belong. (Then again...it really makes it fun when I make remarks to people's posts who are after mine. HAHAHAHA!)

I think it's working ok now. :)

[close_enough]

WHAT is going on????....LOL

i just posted on the "perp description" thread & also deleted two of my previous posts....now the whole thread is gone:confused:

sorry folks....i started a new "perp/suspect" thread.....i have no idea how i could have deleted a thread that i didn't even start!!!....was simply trying to delete 2 of my posts & add a different link/article, & POOF, the whole thread was gone.....

[close_enough]

I think it's working ok now. :)

no, something is still not right, lol:confused:

[TheBugHouse]

no, something is still not right, lol:confused:
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Server is uber busy!

[TheBugHouse]

I don't think pepper spray is all that much of a deterrent. The mace that police use would be better. I accidentally sprayed myself with pepper spray once and it didn't incapacitate me at all.
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They alway say to carry pepper spray and wear bells while hiking in bear country. You can identify bear scat because it has bells in it and smells like pepper.:crazy:

[SuziQ]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080220/NEWS18/80220024/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON

So far, the woman who owned a pair of panties found Friday with the strangled body of Brianna Denison has not come to police one day after Reno officers made a public plea for her to come forward.

[SuziQ]

I bet he goes to the memorial.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/15831267.html

The Regional Transportation Commission will be offering free public transportation services on RTC RIDE from Meadowood Mall to the Brianna Dension candlelight vigil Friday.
The event will be held on Friday evening at 6.30pm in South Reno on Sandhill Drive between Prototype and Double R Boulevard. (more at link)

[SuziQ]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7902133

A woman has come forward to report an additional attack near the University of Nevada campus back in October.
Campus police confirmed the report late Wednesday after the woman went to police on Tuesday. (more at link)

[Leila]

I bet he goes to the memorial.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/15831267.html

The Regional Transportation Commission will be offering free public transportation services on RTC RIDE from Meadowood Mall to the Brianna Dension candlelight vigil Friday.
The event will be held on Friday evening at 6.30pm in South Reno on Sandhill Drive between Prototype and Double R Boulevard. (more at link)

I bet the police will be in attendance and watching for anyone coming alone that fits the description or acts suspicious. I hope they also check out vehicles in the parking lot to see if there's a pickup truck that fits the description.

[Leila]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7902133

A woman has come forward to report an additional attack near the University of Nevada campus back in October.
Campus police confirmed the report late Wednesday after the woman went to police on Tuesday. (more at link)

It really doesn't give too much information. They don't give a date or whether or not the woman was able to provide any description.

[Taximom]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7902133

A woman has come forward to report an additional attack near the University of Nevada campus back in October.
Campus police confirmed the report late Wednesday after the woman went to police on Tuesday. (more at link)

This must have been difficult for her to do, but I'm thankful she came forward. I hope LE gets more information from her about this rapist, if it's the same one.

[Rick777]

i agree!!


Maybe it was a LE sting operation to bait the guy.

[10EC_Dad]

Maybe it was a LE sting operation to bait the guy.

I am assuming you are referring to the young woman reported as missing last night then later found.

If so, I don't know why they(LE) would have reported her missing and caused more concern.

[newshound81]

I'm confused - RGJ is saying the October attacked was linked. When did that happen? http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080220&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80220046&Ref=AR&Show=0

[SeriouslySearching]

This would be another attack not to be confused with the one in October in or near the parking garage.

The victim told police she was walking up 11th street listening to her iPod, when a man came up from behind her and grabbed her. She screamed, and the suspect ran away.

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7902133

[SeriouslySearching]

As far as we know, this is an erroneous statement made by Kelly of the private profiling company System to Apprehend Lethal Killers (STALK). Either he knows something that LE has never confirmed or he is talking out of his @ss to make it sound like he is the "expert". HE needs to get his facts straight before he spews them in the media. DNA has never been linked in the Oct.22nd case and LE would certainly put that information out.

Authorities say DNA has linked Denison’s killer to a sexually motivated attacks against college-age women on or near the University of Nevada, Reno campus on Oct. 22, Nov. 13 and Dec. 16.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080220&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80220046&Ref=AR&Show=0

[StillHoping]

Bringing this over from thread #5:
SeriouslySearching (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=13831)

Don't forget about the other case in AZ where the perp went into the apartment to get the woman and abducted her to rape her knowing people were also in the home. I can't recall who posted it, but I know I took all kinds of flack for suggesting they go ahead and give it as a tip to LE.

I mentioned that long ago myself. I do think the perp was in his predator mode and angry (he tried to "hit" the doorknob off to break in) when he went back to find 2nd victim gone and then saw Brianna through the open glass doors and windows. It was only his luck the doors were unlocked. Here is the thing tho...there was a bit of time between him going to the 2nd victim's house to try to break in and then getting Bri. Where was he during that time? Had his rage gotten worse? Was he out trolling? It would seem that he would have calmed down a bit during that time. Is this why he was able to get Bri out so easily with no one hearing him? He had calmed down enough to carry it off...until he had her in his control...then the rage took over? (End)


SS,
Nice thought process here. I just wanted to add a few thoughts of my own. I think the timing between the break-in attempt and Bri's abduction were most likely used staking out the house. It's very possible the perp saw the girls arriving home, or hanging out in the house before going to bed. The lights would be on, there would be activity, and with all those windows, he could easily see inside. I think it's likely he watched until the girls went to bed, gave them time to fall asleep and then made his move. If he saw the girls come home, he likely already knew the door wouldn't be locked. I also think it's possible the perp returned to the home of the other victim because he wants the media going nuts about him, he wants the public to freak out, and LE to be at a loss. I think he felt that acosting the victim AGAIN, or even killing her, (especially since he's careful to leave his DNA behind) would get him that notoriety or "fame" if you will.

[SuziQ]

I'm confused - RGJ is saying the October attacked was linked. When did that happen? http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080220&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80220046&Ref=AR&Show=0

Authorities say DNA has linked Denison’s killer to a sexually motivated attacks against college-age women on or near the University of Nevada, Reno campus on Oct. 22, Nov. 13 and Dec.

That's news to me! As far as I know, the Oct 22 attack has always been treated with a grain of salt. In fact, I believe I read somewhere in the past few days that there is no DNA available from the Oct 22 attack to test.

[SuziQ]

O/t but!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/21/nevada.quake/index.html
A strong earthquake struck the northeast corner of Nevada Thursday morning, the U.S. Geological Survey said.
The USGS reported the quake was 6.3 magnitude and at a depth of 6.2 miles below the surface.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think he is careful to leave his DNA behind with the exception of the thong. I think in the other instances he had no intention of leaving a trace. He did have condoms in the first attack. The second attack was oral sex and he might have thought his DNA would not be found because of this. Obviously, he was wrong. The same in Brianna's case, they intimated the DNA they found was from oils from the perp's skin or something else instead of semen (I saw LE say this on one of the interviews.)

[SeriouslySearching]

O/t but!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/21/nevada.quake/index.html
A strong earthquake struck the northeast corner of Nevada Thursday morning, the U.S. Geological Survey said.
The USGS reported the quake was 6.3 magnitude and at a depth of 6.2 miles below the surface.Wow! Glad I am not there for many reasons now!

[adnoid]

Authorities say DNA has linked Denison’s killer to a sexually motivated attacks against college-age women on or near the University of Nevada, Reno campus on Oct. 22, Nov. 13 and Dec.

That's news to me! As far as I know, the Oct 22 attack has always been treated with a grain of salt. In fact, I believe I read somewhere in the past few days that there is no DNA available from the Oct 22 attack to test.

I'm confused as well. The way I saw the news is that this is a NEW October attack that was just reported Tuesday, in ADDITION to the previous October attack reported some time ago. But I can't find any info at the moment.

ETA: Here's a link:

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7902133

[SeriouslySearching]

I also don't think the "fame" thing is entirely accurate either. He threatened his victim prior to Brianna not to go to LE. I think this has changed a bit with the thong. I also think the connection to the Oct. 22nd attack is entirely inaccurate as it being his sketch plus description and he wanted to make sure he is credited this time. If it isn't his description, he also would feel they don't have a clue (which he would be right) about who he really is and know they don't have his DNA on file to match anything. He is going to get cockier because of it.

[SeriouslySearching]

The way I saw the news is that this is a NEW October attack that was just reported Tuesday, in ADDITION to the previous October attack reported some time ago.

This would be another attack not to be confused with the one in October in or near the parking garage.

The victim told police she was walking up 11th street listening to her iPod, when a man came up from behind her and grabbed her. She screamed, and the suspect ran away.

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7902133Yes, it is another attack. The good news is that women are getting up enough nerve to come forward to tell LE. What the women might not deem to be important since no rape took place could give some information to LE that they desperately need!

[SuziQ]

Wow! Glad I am not there for many reasons now!

I live about 9 miles south of I-80 and west of Salt Lake City and I felt nothing! In fact because my little town has a superwalmart and other places, everyone from NE Nevada converges on my town to do their Saturday shopping.

[SeriouslySearching]

I live about 9 miles south of I-80 and west of Salt Lake City and I felt nothing! In fact because my little town has a superwalmart and other places, everyone from NE Nevada converges on my town to do their Saturday shopping.Be grateful!! I would go crazy if I felt an earthquake! Those scare the bejezzus outta me! (Tornadoes I can handle! LOL)

[SuziQ]

Be grateful!! I would go crazy if I felt an earthquake! Those scare the bejezzus outta me! (Tornadoes I can handle! LOL)

I am, I am! I grew up in L.A. and have been in a couple of bad quakes. I was really disappointed when I found out SLC is third on the mostly likely to have a quake list.

[close_enough]

Yes, it is another attack. The good news is that women are getting up enough nerve to come forward to tell LE. What the women might not deem to be important since no rape took place could give some information to LE that they desperately need!

agreed!

[SieSie]

I'm confused not only about them saying they have DNA evidence on the Oct. 22 case (which we didn't think they did!!) and also, how do they have DNA from the Nov. 13 case if the perp ran away after she kicked and screamed?

Nov. 13, 2007
About 5 p.m., a 21 year old UNR student was grabbed and fondled by a man in the parking lot of her apartment complex in the 400 block of College Drive. The victim kicked the man and screamed and the suspect ran away.
From RGJ (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS18/80129044)

?? Which cases do they have definite DNA match on??

[close_enough]

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They alway say to carry pepper spray and wear bells while hiking in bear country. You can identify bear scat because it has bells in it and smells like pepper.:crazy:

LOL...funny:p

[close_enough]

I'm confused not only about them saying they have DNA evidence on the Oct. 22 case (which we didn't think they did!!) and also, how do they have DNA from the Nov. 13 case if the perp ran away after she kicked and screamed?
Nov. 13, 2007
About 5 p.m., a 21 year old UNR student was grabbed and fondled by a man in the parking lot of her apartment complex in the 400 block of College Drive. The victim kicked the man and screamed and the suspect ran away.
From RGJ (http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS18/80129044)

?? Which cases do they have definite DNA match on??

from what i understand, they found some packaged condoms at the site with the suspects DNA on it...he must have dropped them?

[dee10134]

I don't think pepper spray is all that much of a deterrent. The mace that police use would be better. I accidentally sprayed myself with pepper spray once and it didn't incapacitate me at all.

It's enough to surprise your attacker to give you some time to run!

[dee10134]

I bet he goes to the memorial.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/15831267.html

The Regional Transportation Commission will be offering free public transportation services on RTC RIDE from Meadowood Mall to the Brianna Dension candlelight vigil Friday.
The event will be held on Friday evening at 6.30pm in South Reno on Sandhill Drive between Prototype and Double R Boulevard. (more at link)

I hope he's that stupid. And I hope he drives the pickup truck there. :crazy:

[close_enough]

I bet he goes to the memorial.
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/15831267.html

The Regional Transportation Commission will be offering free public transportation services on RTC RIDE from Meadowood Mall to the Brianna Dension candlelight vigil Friday.
The event will be held on Friday evening at 6.30pm in South Reno on Sandhill Drive between Prototype and Double R Boulevard. (more at link)

creepy...i was thinking the same thing when i read about the upcoming memorial...

[dee10134]

I bet he goes to the memorial.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/15831267.html

The Regional Transportation Commission will be offering free public transportation services on RTC RIDE from Meadowood Mall to the Brianna Dension candlelight vigil Friday.
The event will be held on Friday evening at 6.30pm in South Reno on Sandhill Drive between Prototype and Double R Boulevard. (more at link)

This stood out for me: "With the tremendous amount of community support from Brianna, high attendance is anticipated.
Given the limited parking availible, the RTC and the Brianna Denison Memorial Volunteers are asking those wishing to attend the candlelight vigil to park in the south parking lot at Meadowood Mall near the RTC RIDE transfer center.
Transportation to the memorial site will begin at 5.45pm."

How much you wanna bet they're gonna be recording license plate numbers of the cars that park at Meadowood Mall for the vigil?

[close_enough]

This stood out for me: "With the tremendous amount of community support from Brianna, high attendance is anticipated.
Given the limited parking availible, the RTC and the Brianna Denison Memorial Volunteers are asking those wishing to attend the candlelight vigil to park in the south parking lot at Meadowood Mall near the RTC RIDE transfer center.
Transportation to the memorial site will begin at 5.45pm."

How much you wanna bet they're gonna be recording license plate numbers of the cars that park at Meadowood Mall for the vigil?


oh yes..i'm sure LE will be crawling all over the area, taking license plate numbers, watching.....

[SuziQ]

Dee, you may be on to something. I thought that was kind of a strange thing to do. I'd never heard of transportation being handled like that for a memorial, even in a big city. LE orchistrated that maybe?

[dee10134]

I bet the police will be in attendance and watching for anyone coming alone that fits the description or acts suspicious. I hope they also check out vehicles in the parking lot to see if there's a pickup truck that fits the description.

I just posted something like this. I guess we were thinking on the same wavelength! LOL :blowkiss:

[dee10134]

I am assuming you are referring to the young woman reported as missing last night then later found.

If so, I don't know why they(LE) would have reported her missing and caused more concern.

I wonder if the perp went out looking for her after she was reported missing... :eek::mad:

[dee10134]

Dee, you may be on to something. I thought that was kind of a strange thing to do. I'd never heard of transportation being handled like that for a memorial, even in a big city. LE orchistrated that maybe?

That's what I'm thinking...

[newshound81]

Hey, I saw this posted on a blog. Apparently, a man raped 4 women in Atlanta, ALL on the night of Jan. 13, using the same come up from behind tactic. The description of the perp has similarities to the Reno one, thought the Atlanta one had "distinctive green eyes." You can view the video here: http://www.wsbtv.com/video/15188982/index.html.

I know posters have brought up that maybe the perp travels...he very well could have raped in Georgia on the 13th and been back in Reno the next week...

[10EC_Dad]

This stood out for me: "With the tremendous amount of community support from Brianna, high attendance is anticipated.
Given the limited parking availible, the RTC and the Brianna Denison Memorial Volunteers are asking those wishing to attend the candlelight vigil to park in the south parking lot at Meadowood Mall near the RTC RIDE transfer center.
Transportation to the memorial site will begin at 5.45pm."

How much you wanna bet they're gonna be recording license plate numbers of the cars that park at Meadowood Mall for the vigil?

I doubt he will be there. However, he could very well think the ALL the LE will be there and not covering the streets. He may see this as an opportunity to abduct his next victim. He could see this as a victory over LE.

[SuziQ]

I doubt he will be there. However, he could very well think the ALL the LE will be there and not covering the streets. He may see this as an opportunity to abduct his next victim. He could see this as a victory over LE.

Scary and probably true.

[SuziQ]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7904511

(snips)
In a memo, more than half of the UNR officers agree their department is understaffed and especially now with the ongoing investigation of the Brianna Dennison case.
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In this memo officers claim director Adam Garcia has ordered them to escort students each night, to unlock cars and charge car batteries. Officers say they are unable to both perform these tasks as well as patrol on a 24/7 basis yet Garcia disagrees.
"Given everything that's happened over the last month, I expect my officers to provide escort services to the community at UNR." He said.
***
Officers said they couldn't comment on camera because Garcia placed a gag order on them on Monday saying there would be diplomacy action if they spoke to the media.

[StillHoping]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7904511

(snips)
In a memo, more than half of the UNR officers agree their department is understaffed and especially now with the ongoing investigation of the Brianna Dennison case.
***
In this memo officers claim director Adam Garcia has ordered them to escort students each night, to unlock cars and charge car batteries. Officers say they are unable to both perform these tasks as well as patrol on a 24/7 basis yet Garcia disagrees.
"Given everything that's happened over the last month, I expect my officers to provide escort services to the community at UNR." He said.
***
Officers said they couldn't comment on camera because Garcia placed a gag order on them on Monday saying there would be diplomacy action if they spoke to the media.

Wow, I feel bad for the officers. I can see how this would be too much for them. There is just no way they can be expected to keep every student safe. I know Garcia means well, but I think they need to look at hiring more officers, at least temporarily.

[LionRun]

creepy...i was thinking the same thing when i read about the upcoming memorial...

I learned years ago while training for K9 SAR that about 10% of serial killers insert themselves into the investigation and/or the search for a missing victim(s). This happened when I was searching for a missing woman, Darlene Anderson in 1994.

Ever since about 1995 or so LE has been videotaping and/or takes pictures of the groups of people and their vehicles who volunteer on most searches that I've been on. I think this is a good idea.

This slime may be feeling so empowered and feel like an expert in the case and that the victim was, "his" that I wouldn't put it past him to go to that memorial. He may also want to feel that he has some level of power in the investigation. I'm not saying that I believe that he will only that I wouldn't doubt it.

Lion

[dontpanic38]

As far as we know, this is an erroneous statement made by Kelly of the private profiling company System to Apprehend Lethal Killers (STALK). Either he knows something that LE has never confirmed or he is talking out of his @ss to make it sound like he is the "expert". HE needs to get his facts straight before he spews them in the media. DNA has never been linked in the Oct.22nd case and LE would certainly put that information out.

Authorities say DNA has linked Denison’s killer to a sexually motivated attacks against college-age women on or near the University of Nevada, Reno campus on Oct. 22, Nov. 13 and Dec. 16.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20080220&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=80220046&Ref=AR&Show=0



I have been following this thread since the start and have only chimed in a few times but I really feel like there is a lot of confusion and misinterpretation of some of the facts.

First, I have no idea who this Kelley guy is. I have heard of STALK and I think it is a nice concept, but I don't think that he is as reliable as someone like Douglas or Vorpagel and other FBI profilers who are actually fully trained and experienced. Again, I don't know anything about him, so I could be wrong.

The one thing that I think is often given way too much emphasis is something like saying that the perp goes after someone with long brown hair... I don't think that is something that should be considered seriously.

I think that the perp has a preference for a certain type or look in his victims, but I think that any female who is small in stature and attractive would be suitable. I think that there is not a lot to read into when it comes to dates of the attacks or location other than the fact that the perp is familiar with the location and the attacks are nothing more than opportunity.
It is not a blame the victim statement, but each of the attacks could have been avoided if the victims were not vulnerable in some way or another.

I have no more information than what I have read here and through the news, and have no training in any sort of profiling but I think that there are a few "experts" who have said some really ridiculous things.

So here is my "expert" profile based on my studies at the University of Websleuths and my years of experience working with law enforcement in several high stress traffic ticket situations. :crazy:---Sorry, just trying to keep it light :crazy:

I think that when it comes out who the perp is, it will be extremely frustrating to everyone because there will be nothing about him that anyone will be able to see and say, "Well, he certainly struck me as the serial rapist type of guy."
I think it will be another Edwin Hall.

There will be nothing remarkable about him.

I think that it is someone a bit older than the majority of the students, but not so old that they don't fit in with the crowd. I think that he is not college educated, maybe some education but he is now bogged down in a dull blue collar type of life. I think that he probably has a child and a significant other, she may not be current, but because of the child she is still in his life. I also believe that for lack of a better word, if she ever shows up in pictures or news stories after he is caught that she will be "frumpy"
That may be the wrong word to use but I think that he is attacking women who are out of his league. It may be because he is older than them or it may be because of self esteem. But I think that the wife or girlfriend is someone that he is with for a different reason and he may be able to perform with her, but he lusts after a different type.
I still don't think that the type is anything that you could pin down other than vulnerable and attractive.

I don't think that the dates of the attacks have one thing to do with the other. I think that he comes to the area for parties or knows some students and he attacks only when the situation presents itself.
As far as him being a porn actor or anything like that, I don't think that there is anything like that going on, however I bet that he uses a lot of porn.

I also believe that this was the first murder and that while there may be other outright assaults in the past, I don't think that there would be many. I think that there are most likely more subtle crimes like burglary or peeping,

The panties confuse me a little. I do think that they were left on purpose, but I don't think that it will be that easy to identify him from them.
If they were taken during a burglary, I think he is confident that it would not be tied back to him.
One possibility that I thought of is that he purchased them from the internet. A lot of porn sites offer worn items for sale.
I do think that for him to leave them there he was sure that it would not lead police to someone who could give a better description or lead directly to him.

He will attack again, and I do agree that in all likelyhood the next victim will be lucky to survive because now that he has done it he can't risk a living victim identifying him. I don't think he will attack soon because of the heat, but if he isn't caught this case will fade from the limelight, and he will become comfortable again.


Anyway, I just wanted to jump in there, and while my past posts may have seemed snarky, I just find that I will hear all of this second guessing and criticism of the police and I think in some cases it is 100% justified. I think that in this case LE is doing everything they can and I commend them for it.

[close_enough]

I learned years ago while training for K9 SAR that about 10% of serial killers insert themselves into the investigation and/or the search for a missing victim(s). This happened when I was searching for a missing woman, Darlene Anderson in 1994.

Ever since about 1995 or so LE has been videotaping and/or takes pictures of the groups of people and their vehicles who volunteer on most searches that I've been on. I think this is a good idea.

This slime may be feeling so empowered and feel like an expert in the case and that the victim was, "his" that I wouldn't put it past him to go to that memorial. He may also want to feel that he has some level of power in the investigation. I'm not saying that I believe that he will only that I wouldn't doubt it.

Lion

yes, i've heard this before also, LR........very interesting
....appreciate your expertise!:)

[LionRun]

yes, i've heard this before also, LR........very interesting
....appreciate your expertise!:)

You are welcome, close:).

Lion

[LookOut]

Anyone have any info on the loopy eyed guy that was posted a while back? He seems to fit the description given by the victim. I dont understand why the LE sketch doesn't even have facial hair and the victim said he has a small amount of facial hair.

[LionRun]

I have been following this thread since the start and have only chimed in a few times but I really feel like there is a lot of confusion and misinterpretation of some of the facts.

First, I have no idea who this Kelley guy is. I have heard of STALK and I think it is a nice concept, but I don't think that he is as reliable as someone like Douglas or Vorpagel and other FBI profilers who are actually fully trained and experienced. Again, I don't know anything about him, so I could be wrong.

The one thing that I think is often given way too much emphasis is something like saying that the perp goes after someone with long brown hair... I don't think that is something that should be considered seriously.

I think that the perp has a preference for a certain type or look in his victims, but I think that any female who is small in stature and attractive would be suitable. I think that there is not a lot to read into when it comes to dates of the attacks or location other than the fact that the perp is familiar with the location and the attacks are nothing more than opportunity.
It is not a blame the victim statement, but each of the attacks could have been avoided if the victims were not vulnerable in some way or another.

I have no more information than what I have read here and through the news, and have no training in any sort of profiling but I think that there are a few "experts" who have said some really ridiculous things.

So here is my "expert" profile based on my studies at the University of Websleuths and my years of experience working with law enforcement in several high stress traffic ticket situations. :crazy:---Sorry, just trying to keep it light :crazy:

I think that when it comes out who the perp is, it will be extremely frustrating to everyone because there will be nothing about him that anyone will be able to see and say, "Well, he certainly struck me as the serial rapist type of guy."
I think it will be another Edwin Hall.

There will be nothing remarkable about him.

I think that it is someone a bit older than the majority of the students, but not so old that they don't fit in with the crowd. I think that he is not college educated, maybe some education but he is now bogged down in a dull blue collar type of life. I think that he probably has a child and a significant other, she may not be current, but because of the child she is still in his life. I also believe that for lack of a better word, if she ever shows up in pictures or news stories after he is caught that she will be "frumpy"
That may be the wrong word to use but I think that he is attacking women who are out of his league. It may be because he is older than them or it may be because of self esteem. But I think that the wife or girlfriend is someone that he is with for a different reason and he may be able to perform with her, but he lusts after a different type.
I still don't think that the type is anything that you could pin down other than vulnerable and attractive.

I don't think that the dates of the attacks have one thing to do with the other. I think that he comes to the area for parties or knows some students and he attacks only when the situation presents itself.
As far as him being a porn actor or anything like that, I don't think that there is anything like that going on, however I bet that he uses a lot of porn.

I also believe that this was the first murder and that while there may be other outright assaults in the past, I don't think that there would be many. I think that there are most likely more subtle crimes like burglary or peeping,

The panties confuse me a little. I do think that they were left on purpose, but I don't think that it will be that easy to identify him from them.
If they were taken during a burglary, I think he is confident that it would not be tied back to him.
One possibility that I thought of is that he purchased them from the internet. A lot of porn sites offer worn items for sale.
I do think that for him to leave them there he was sure that it would not lead police to someone who could give a better description or lead directly to him.

He will attack again, and I do agree that in all likelyhood the next victim will be lucky to survive because now that he has done it he can't risk a living victim identifying him. I don't think he will attack soon because of the heat, but if he isn't caught this case will fade from the limelight, and he will become comfortable again.


Anyway, I just wanted to jump in there, and while my past posts may have seemed snarky, I just find that I will hear all of this second guessing and criticism of the police and I think in some cases it is 100% justified. I think that in this case LE is doing everything they can and I commend them for it.

Great post, dontpanic!

Lion

[close_enough]

Anyone have any info on the loopy eyed guy that was posted a while back? He seems to fit the description given by the victim. I dont understand why the LE sketch doesn't even have facial hair and the victim said he has a small amount of facial hair.

the only thing i can figure is when this sketch was made, the suspect didn't have facial hair...that's why LE is saying don't dismiss anything, as far as the description goes.....

eta...i don't know anything about a loopy eyed guy....

[close_enough]

Authorities urge the public to consider that the following descriptions of the suspect and vehicle may vary slightly as compared to the actual suspect and vehicle, and that non-exact matches should not be ruled out. Any clues, no matter how seemingly insignificant, could help solve the case. DNA evidence already collected can provide positive links regarding any suspects who are found.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS18/80129044

[LionRun]

the only thing i can figure is when this sketch was made, the suspect didn't have facial hair...that's why LE is saying don't dismiss anything, as far as the description goes.....

eta...i don't know anything about a loopy eyed guy....

Close, that is what I'm thinking too. And, it makes sense. I don't know anything about a loopy eyed guy, either.

Lion

[SuziQ]

One possibility that I thought of is that he purchased them from the internet. A lot of porn sites offer worn items for sale.


I learn something new everyday! :eek:

[close_enough]

I learn something new everyday! :eek:

true!!....ICK, why would someone buy used underpants?....online at THAT!

[Rick777]

IF Brianna's body was "posed" when it was found, that would make me think she wasn't his first kill. In a first kill he would want to despose quickly and leave no sightings.

[Blondieskatz]

Maybe the panties left at the scene belong to someone he hasn't actually come in contact with yet.
He may be watching another victim and has been inside of her home and stole the panties. Maybe thats why no one has come forward to claim them yet.
This would be the ultimate taunt with LE. Panties that belong to the future victim. And I won't even go into how his DNA would be on the panties.
I don't know just a thought...

[Rick777]

I totally remember that weird eye guy.

[close_enough]

sorry....:(
but thanks...i'm interested
....to be real honest, i don't pay a whole lot of attention to some of the my space links....

[LookOut]

I totally remember that weird eye guy.

RICK777, do you have any idea where it was discussed? I am having trouble locating that picture of him.

[Rick777]

RICK777, do you have any idea where it was discussed? I am having trouble locating that picture of him.

There was a link to him. I'm trying to find it. What a creeper!

[Ca-Sun]

RICK777, do you have any idea where it was discussed? I am having trouble locating that picture of him.Is that the person Leviosa was posting about and included his picture?

[newshound81]

RICK777, do you have any idea where it was discussed? I am having trouble locating that picture of him.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59620
Page 1 of thread #3, about halfway down.

[newshound81]

Posted by Spitball22 on Feb. 1.

[LookOut]

Thank you!

[LookOut]

Wrong guy though....

[Ca-Sun]

Try this: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1998574&postcount=126

[Rick777]

Jeepers....Creepers....where'd he get that peeper!

[LookOut]

Thats the one! Thank you.

[Rick777]

I can't see that weird eye guy having blondish hair on his arms. errrr....the SECOND weird eye guy.

[newshound81]

Oops, sorry! I didn't realize we had TWO men with strange eyes.

[KR2tonenow]

IF Brianna's body was "posed" when it was found, that would make me think she wasn't his first kill. In a first kill he would want to despose quickly and leave no sightings.

This perp could be from another area. That maybe why they are bringing up the Atlanta case.

He seems to have "graduated" quickly to taking a woman home after raping her, to strangulation and posing a victim and leaving his calling card (panties). This pervert is online alot, on porno sites and probably chat rooms, and probably asking strange women to mail him their panties.

I hope the FBI is looking for related victims in the country, if there has been any. After a body is decomposed, maybe its difficult to see if they are posed, am not sure.

[LionRun]

This perp could be from another area. That maybe why they are bringing up the Atlanta case.

He seems to have "graduated" quickly to taking a woman home after raping her, to strangulation and posing a victim and leaving his calling card (panties). This pervert is online alot, on porno sites and probably chat rooms, and probably asking strange women to mail him their panties.

I hope the FBI is looking for related victims in the country, if there has been any. After a body is decomposed, maybe its difficult to see if they are posed, am not sure.

Do we know factually that the killer posed Brianna, and is there a link for this? I'm sorry if it has been posted, but I can't find it. Thank you KR2tonenow:)

Lion

[Leila]

This stood out for me: "With the tremendous amount of community support from Brianna, high attendance is anticipated.
Given the limited parking availible, the RTC and the Brianna Denison Memorial Volunteers are asking those wishing to attend the candlelight vigil to park in the south parking lot at Meadowood Mall near the RTC RIDE transfer center.
Transportation to the memorial site will begin at 5.45pm."

How much you wanna bet they're gonna be recording license plate numbers of the cars that park at Meadowood Mall for the vigil?

When I read about the memorial service, my first thought was that LE would be there..........watching the people attending and also checking out vehicles. I hope they do, and hope the suspect does attend.

[KR2tonenow]

Do we know factually that the killer posed Brianna, and is there a link for this? I'm sorry if it has been posted, but I can't find it. Thank you KR2tonenow:)

Lion

I'd like to see it too, Nancy Grace was discussing with former FBI profiler
??(name), can't remember last night. That was the information they were deriving from RPD.

[10EC_Dad]

Do we know factually that the killer posed Brianna, and is there a link for this? I'm sorry if it has been posted, but I can't find it. Thank you KR2tonenow:)

Lion

I heard it on NG last night and questioned that statement in a post last night.

[aj1020]

I'd like to see it too, Nancy Grace was discussing with former FBI profiler
??(name), can't remember last night. That was the information they were deriving from RPD.

Last night the guy on NG (I don't remember if he was the former FBI profiler or just a talking head) made it sound like he DID know whether or not the body was posed, but he was specifically asked by RPD NOT to share the state the body was found in - whether it was posed and whether or not the underwear were found with her body, on her body, near her body, etc.

[LionRun]

Thank you KR2tonenow, Dad, and aj. Then this is not necessarily fact. It may be a fact that was leaked, but until I hear this from a known, credible source I will keep this and that the panties were left to taunt the police aside as possibilities. I don't disbelieve either of the statements made. I just don't know if either is fact, yet.

Lion

[10EC_Dad]

Thank you KR2tonenow, Dad, and aj. Then this is not necessarily fact. It may be a fact that was leaked, but until I hear this from a known credible source I will keep this and that the panties were left to taunt the police aside as possibilities. I don't disbelieve either of the statements made. I just don't know if either is fact, yet.

Lion

I agree 100%.

[Leila]

http://www.krnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7904511

(snips)
In a memo, more than half of the UNR officers agree their department is understaffed and especially now with the ongoing investigation of the Brianna Dennison case.
***
In this memo officers claim director Adam Garcia has ordered them to escort students each night, to unlock cars and charge car batteries. Officers say they are unable to both perform these tasks as well as patrol on a 24/7 basis yet Garcia disagrees.
"Given everything that's happened over the last month, I expect my officers to provide escort services to the community at UNR." He said.
***
Officers said they couldn't comment on camera because Garcia placed a gag order on them on Monday saying there would be diplomacy action if they spoke to the media.

In light of what's happened, the UNR would be prudent to ask for volunteers from among the student population to provide escort services. This would immediately double their policing efforts and allow the uniformed police to continue to patrol the campus. It wouldn't take much to get this up and running.

I live in a fairly large city, and some years ago our local sheriff added "volunteers in policing" to the department. These are citizens who wear a uniform, drive a marked police car, don't carry a gun, and have light training in police work. They're sent out to take reports of minor problems, freeing up the regular police for more important crimes. It's really been a benefit to the whole community.

[close_enough]

Try this: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1998574&postcount=126

whoa.....:eek:
....ok, so WHO IS this guy?...what is "our fave space"????

eta...one of whose friends???
...my goodness, just about every detail matches this guy...look at it real close, wow

[LionRun]

In light of what's happened, the UNR would be prudent to ask for volunteers from among the student population to provide escort services. This would immediately double their policing efforts and allow the uniformed police to continue to patrol the campus. It wouldn't take much to get this up and running.

I live in a fairly large city, and some years ago our local sheriff added "volunteers in policing" to the department. These are citizens who wear a uniform, drive a marked police car, don't carry a gun, and have light training in police work. They're sent out to take reports of minor problems, freeing up the regular police for more important crimes. It's really been a benefit to the whole community.

Hi there Leia:). I think this idea might be worth it for Reno to look into. It seems to be working where you live and in other areas nationwide. I think that our population overall throughout our nation along with technology and an increase in types of crime make it so that LE is chronically understaffed. This idea might help to solve this--or at least dent the problem in a positive way.

Lion

[Leila]

Do we know factually that the killer posed Brianna, and is there a link for this? I'm sorry if it has been posted, but I can't find it. Thank you KR2tonenow:)

Lion

I think the "posed" came from Nancy Grace and her legal panel yesterday. On the program, the main topic in this case was the discussion of the underwear left at the scene. NG and most of the legal panel describe leaving the underwear with DNA of the suspect and an unknown woman on them, as the scene being staged or posed.

I don't think this means that Brianna's body was posed in any manner, just that the leaving of the underwear staged/posed the crime scene.

At this point, LE has withheld information on the condition of Brianna's body, and with the exception of the underwear, any other evidence found at the scene. So, we don't know if there was other evidence collected that indicated that the crime scene was staged.

As for the underwear, I think it's a possibility that the police already know who manufactured the underwear and what local stores in Reno carried them as part of their merchandise line. If a woman does come forward and claim the underwear, they'll ask where she bought them to verify she is the owner of the underwear.

[dontpanic38]

Do we know factually that the killer posed Brianna, and is there a link for this? I'm sorry if it has been posted, but I can't find it. Thank you KR2tonenow:)

Lion


I think that the only people who used the term "posed" or refer to a "calling card" are the talking heads who want to make their stories more dramatic... I read some of the Nancy Grace transcript and she really does make me ill... She may have been a good prosecutor and may do a service by getting the word out on cases like this, but she is extremely tacky in the way she does it.
In the transcript she tried baiting the spokesperson for the family into saying something that may or may not be information that is not supposed to be public. I don't know if the family knows for a fact any sort of timeline, but the police have been adamant that they will not release that information to the public.
So if the family knows things that are not for the public, Nancy Grace could be giving information that could jeopardize the whole case.
I don't have a lot of respect or give much credit to anyone who appears on a show like that as an expert. There are good reporters who can get relevant information without worrying about boosting their ratings.

I don't want to be insensitive, but think of what no one outside of the investigators and the killer know that no one else does. No one knows where the panties were in relation to the body. What about her state of dress? If she is partially dressed, that could mean one thing, if she was undressed and redressed that could be another. So in a way, saying that a body is posed is sort of generic. If the perp did not go to extreme measures to hide and prevent identification of her body, you could say that it was posed.

Also, unless Nancy Grace knows that the killer has a particular fetish, she can't even begin to speculate about his calling card. The only thing that anyone knows is that he has previous victims and that the crimes have now escalated to murder. His "MO" is also not anything that should be counted on, because an MO is something that changes as situations call for them. His signature is nothing that has become apparent yet. The police may know something that we don't, but I don't think that there is anything that anyone can point to and call a definitive pattern. This guy has a serious issue with women and himself, and he is lashing out. I always think it sounds so cheesy and like such a cliche but his crimes are absolutely about control. He can't control where his life is and lusts for and also resents young women who are in control of theirs.


Ok, off my soap box... I just took a long time to say how much I despise Nancy Grace. :furious:

[SieSie]

from what i understand, they found some packaged condoms at the site with the suspects DNA on it...he must have dropped them?
Ah, okay, thank you c_e!! I had heard about the condom DNA, but didn't realize it was from the 10/22 attack. Thanks for the info.

In light of what's happened, the UNR would be prudent to ask for volunteers from among the student population to provide escort services. This would immediately double their policing efforts and allow the uniformed police to continue to patrol the campus. It wouldn't take much to get this up and running.

I live in a fairly large city, and some years ago our local sheriff added "volunteers in policing" to the department. These are citizens who wear a uniform, drive a marked police car, don't carry a gun, and have light training in police work. They're sent out to take reports of minor problems, freeing up the regular police for more important crimes. It's really been a benefit to the whole community.
As long as the volunteers provided DNA first, that's a great idea! But, can you imagine if they just accepted anyone, with no testing, and the perp volunteered to keep women safe?? :eek:

[Leila]

Ah, okay, thank you c_e!! I had heard about the condom DNA, but didn't realize it was from the 10/22 attack. Thanks for the info.


As long as the volunteers provided DNA first, that's a great idea! But, can you imagine if they just accepted anyone, with no testing, and the perp volunteered to keep women safe?? :eek:

The police would have to do some sort of background checks on any volunteers and it would be good to have a DNA sample for each volunteer. This would take a bit of time to set up, but could evolve into a permanent team effort to keep students safe.

[FXSTS]

Hey everyone, another newbie here.I am also local.I live about an hour north of Reno but work in Reno both near where Breanna was abducted and where
she was later found. I've been following this since 2 days after she disappeared. One thing that really bothers me is what Lt. Robert McDonald said on Tuesday." THIS CASE IS SHOCKING TO US,BUT TO 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE NO COMPREHENSION AND CANNOT EVEN FATHOM THAT SOMEONE HAD DONE WHAT THIS GUY DID.HE'S A DEVIANT NOT WORKING ON THE SAME MORAL PLANE AS THE REST OF US." This guy is the head of robbery/homicide in reno. What did he see or what does he know that could provoke a comment like this? I have a feeling that there is alot that LE is not talking about. In the RJG Tuesday they said that the October incident has NOT been linked forensically but they still think that it is linked too this case. I am also confused as to where this sketch of the suspect came from and why it doesn't appear to match the description of the suspect. I really like this website and every body here keeps me thinking.I have never followed a case like this. I do have a daughter and Briannas' picture is all over town and this guy HAS to be caught. I wouldn't be disappointed to see LT. McDonald kneeling over the perps body soon. You guys on this forum are great THANKS.

[Leila]

Hey everyone, another newbie here.I am also local.I live about an hour north of Reno but work in Reno both near where Breanna was abducted and where
she was later found. I've been following this since 2 days after she disappeared. One thing that really bothers me is what Lt. Robert McDonald said on Tuesday." THIS CASE IS SHOCKING TO US,BUT TO 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE NO COMPREHENSION AND CANNOT EVEN FATHOM THAT SOMEONE HAD DONE WHAT THIS GUY DID.HE'S A DEVIANT NOT WORKING ON THE SAME MORAL PLANE AS THE REST OF US." This guy is the head of robbery/homicide in reno. What did he see or what does he know that could provoke a comment like this? I have a feeling that there is alot that LE is not talking about. In the RJG Tuesday they said that the October incident has NOT been linked forensically but they still think that it is linked too this case. I am also confused as to where this sketch of the suspect came from and why it doesn't appear to match the description of the suspect. I really like this website and every body here keeps me thinking.I have never followed a case like this. I do have a daughter and Briannas' picture is all over town and this guy HAS to be caught. I wouldn't be disappointed to see LT. McDonald kneeling over the perps body soon. You guys on this forum are great THANKS.

Welcome aboard FXSTS!

That statement made by Lt. McDonald has bothered me since I first read it. It seemed to be a very strong statement from a police officer who likely is not shocked very often by things he sees in his profession.

The police are not saying anything about the condition of Brianna's body, nor of any evidence collected from the scene, with the exception of the underwear that has DNA from the suspect and an unknown woman.

This leads me to believe the police have some items of evidence that are unusual. Something that they'll use later to positively identify the perpetrator.

[10EC_Dad]

Hey everyone, another newbie here.I am also local.I live about an hour north of Reno but work in Reno both near where Breanna was abducted and where
she was later found. I've been following this since 2 days after she disappeared. One thing that really bothers me is what Lt. Robert McDonald said on Tuesday." THIS CASE IS SHOCKING TO US,BUT TO 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE NO COMPREHENSION AND CANNOT EVEN FATHOM THAT SOMEONE HAD DONE WHAT THIS GUY DID.HE'S A DEVIANT NOT WORKING ON THE SAME MORAL PLANE AS THE REST OF US." This guy is the head of robbery/homicide in reno. What did he see or what does he know that could provoke a comment like this? I have a feeling that there is alot that LE is not talking about. In the RJG Tuesday they said that the October incident has NOT been linked forensically but they still think that it is linked too this case. I am also confused as to where this sketch of the suspect came from and why it doesn't appear to match the description of the suspect. I really like this website and every body here keeps me thinking.I have never followed a case like this. I do have a daughter and Briannas' picture is all over town and this guy HAS to be caught. I wouldn't be disappointed to see LT. McDonald kneeling over the perps body soon. You guys on this forum are great THANKS.

Welcome and thanks for your post.

We have talked quite a bit about that statement. I am not sure how to interpret it at this point.

I am leaning more towards it being a "normal" rape and homicide.

However, I can see, especially with the thongs, how this case may be more bizarre.

[StillHoping]

Welcome to WebSleuths FXSTS!!! Always good to have more insight, especially local insight.

[adnoid]

I have not seen this posted anywhere, so please accept my apology if it's a dupe.

The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Brianna's service this weekend. The announcement is up on their website, a site so foul I will not utter it's name here. There are people organizing to block them.

[Ca-Sun]

I heard it on NG last night and questioned that statement in a post last night.I think it was the night before on NG that one of the THs said her body was found nude. There has been no confirmation of that, either.

[close_enough]

welcome FXSTS:)

[close_enough]

I have not seen this posted anywhere, so please accept my apology if it's a dupe.

The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Brianna's service this weekend. The announcement is up on their website, a site so foul I will not utter it's name here. There are people organizing to block them.

confused:confused:
why on earth would a church picket Brianna's service???

[Ca-Sun]

Hey everyone, another newbie here. *snip* I have a feeling that there is alot that LE is not talking about. Welcome to WS, FXSTS. You are right - it seems the Reno LE are keeping a lot of the evidence, etc. confidential, and if that's what they need to do to help the case then I'm glad they are doing it.

[close_enough]

LE to reinterview woman groped at UNR

Reno police today will be re-interviewing a University of Nevada, Reno student who reported she had been groped by an unidentified man in mid-October as she was walking near campus

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080221/NEWS01/80221043/0/NEWS18&theme=DENISON

[adnoid]

confused:confused:
why on earth would a church picket Brianna's service???

These are the scum that picket soldier's funerals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

[Juvenile]

It's enough to surprise your attacker to give you some time to run!

OT, but I think pepper spray and mace are a bad security method for women when attacked. For one, it is usually buried in their purse and it is too late by the time they dig it out. Second, if the do get the opportunity to use it, there's a 50-50 chance they will spray themselves instead of the perp. A better alternative is a keychain personal alarm. I bought my girlfriend one that is also a flashlight that is compact and accessible. We tested it and it is the most horrific noise I have ever heard! Attackers panic and run from noise in most cases. Just my 2 cents.

[close_enough]

These are the scum that picket soldier's funerals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

ok, i searched it out further & found an article at RGJ....crazy people!

[close_enough]

OT, but I think pepper spray and mace are a bad security method for women when attacked. For one, it is usually buried in their purse and it is too late by the time they dig it out. Second, if the do get the opportunity to use it, there's a 50-50 chance they will spray themselves instead of the perp. A better alternative is a keychain personal alarm. I bought my girlfriend one that is also a flashlight that is compact and accessible. We tested it and it is the most horrific noise I have ever heard! Attackers panic and run from noise in most cases. Just my 2 cents.

good point made about the sprays.....i've seen these keychain alarms, but have never heard one...something to look into...thanks!

& welcome to WS:)

[SuziQ]

I am also confused as to where this sketch of the suspect came from and why it doesn't appear to match the description of the suspect.

Welcome to WS! The sketch came from the Oct 22nd university parking garage rape vic. The difference between the sketch and the description from the Nov and Dec attacks is why many of us don't think the Oct 22nd incident is related. That and his MO is different from the Nov and Dec attacks.

[panthera]

Hey everyone, another newbie here.I am also local.I live about an hour north of Reno but work in Reno both near where Breanna was abducted and where
she was later found. I've been following this since 2 days after she disappeared. One thing that really bothers me is what Lt. Robert McDonald said on Tuesday." THIS CASE IS SHOCKING TO US,BUT TO 99.9% OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY, THEY HAVE NO COMPREHENSION AND CANNOT EVEN FATHOM THAT SOMEONE HAD DONE WHAT THIS GUY DID.HE'S A DEVIANT NOT WORKING ON THE SAME MORAL PLANE AS THE REST OF US." This guy is the head of robbery/homicide in reno. What did he see or what does he know that could provoke a comment like this? I have a feeling that there is alot that LE is not talking about. In the RJG Tuesday they said that the October incident has NOT been linked forensically but they still think that it is linked too this case. I am also confused as to where this sketch of the suspect came from and why it doesn't appear to match the description of the suspect. I really like this website and every body here keeps me thinking.I have never followed a case like this. I do have a daughter and Briannas' picture is all over town and this guy HAS to be caught. I wouldn't be disappointed to see LT. McDonald kneeling over the perps body soon. You guys on this forum are great THANKS.
Welcome and I'm glad you're joining our discussion :) I think the statement by Lt. McDonald possibly could indicate that there was some sort of postmortem sex involved or mutilation of the corpse. It's horrible to think but I agree with you there's something they're not mentioning that is beyond Brianna being strangled and dumped in the field. I too wish another sketch would be released of what the Dec. victim described.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Fxsts!

OK, Let me recap here. For starters, the condoms were NOT found at the 10/22/07 crime scene. They were found in the 11/13/07 crime scene.

In the Nov. 13 incident, a 21-year-old UNR student was walking through an apartment parking lot at 401 College Drive, when an unknown male assailant approached her from behind and put her in a chokehold. The suspect dragged the victim between cars, pushed her to the ground and groped her. As she fought and yelled, he told her not to scream. The victim continued to scream and fought her attacker. Even though the assailant warned the victim to stop screaming, the assault stopped after the suspect kicked the victim in the head and arm and ran away after dropping a couple of unopened Trojan-brand condoms. http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=53281

Next, the subject of the weird eyed man came from Brian's Predictions (IIRC) so I never put much stock into it.

As far as the comment by Lt. McDonald, he may have a daughter the same age and this could have hit very close to home for him. For a perp to prey on these girls is horrific and to come into a home to take Brianna is very bold. I don't know that I would read more into it than that, personally. It is bad enough that she was murdered and left like trash in a field. We will certainly hear the gory details later, but I think if she was "posed" (Yes, LE does use that word when a corpse has been repositioned unnaturally after death.) then it would create a sense of outrage among everyone working the case. I just hope it isn't true.

I have to agree with Lion about him possibly attending the memorial service. You would think he would have the sense not to, but thank goodness...criminals don't always use good judgement especially after crimes he thinks he has gotten away with.

[panthera]

I haven't had a chance to read back here (and I'm trying to watch/listen to the pres. debate while posting here :) ) but does anyone know what happened with the young woman who was reported as missing last night?

[SieSie]

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Hey everyone, another newbie here.I am also local.
Welcome aboard, FXSTS! Glad for the local input, looking forward to more of your posts.

I have not seen this posted anywhere, so please accept my apology if it's a dupe.

The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Brianna's service this weekend. The announcement is up on their website, a site so foul I will not utter it's name here. There are people organizing to block them.
OMGosh! That's just so sick, I can't stand those people and their beliefs!! :furious:


OT, but I think pepper spray and mace are a bad security method for women when attacked. For one, it is usually buried in their purse and it is too late by the time they dig it out. Second, if the do get the opportunity to use it, there's a 50-50 chance they will spray themselves instead of the perp. A better alternative is a keychain personal alarm. I bought my girlfriend one that is also a flashlight that is compact and accessible. We tested it and it is the most horrific noise I have ever heard! Attackers panic and run from noise in most cases. Just my 2 cents.
Welcome to WS, Juvenile! You have a good point and the personal alarm keychains would be a great idea right about now for women in Nevada, and anywhere, for that matter.

[Juvenile]

good point made about the sprays.....i've seen these keychain alarms, but have never heard one...something to look into...thanks!

& welcome to WS:)

Thanks! I've been lurking for some time but finally used my work email to post since yahoo, gmail etc are not allowed.

Check into the personal alarms, I am a big advocate.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Juvenile! I think those are a great idea! I think I will get my daughters a couple to go along with their shin scraping and foot stomping/eye gouging skills. :)

The girl was found safely walking around the site, Panthera. :) I should call her "Stupid girl"!! :P

[Leviosa]

Welcome to WS! The sketch came from the Oct 22nd university parking garage rape vic. The difference between the sketch and the description from the Nov and Dec attacks is why many of us don't think the Oct 22nd incident is related. That and his MO is different from the Nov and Dec attacks.

As always, well done SuziQ! I don't think we should forget about Brian here; I seem to believe that the first mention of a 'loopy' eye came from his original sketch.

Welcome FXSTS! As you can see from the members' postings they've been here a long time!

First, I fully suspect that the perp may have been at the 'disposal scene' within minutes of Brianna being found; or perhaps inside one of the buildings within eyeshot. This notion is in support of Lion's insofar as the statistics of 'return' are extraordinarily high. So high that on-scene photographers are encouraged to take shots of the people standing around.

He'll be at the memorial for sure, probably with his wife and/or girlfriend and child.

[Leila]

These are the scum that picket soldier's funerals:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church

OMG.........this is the sickest and most demented group! Why on earth would they consider such a horrible thing? I hope the local police will prevent this group from coming anywhere close to the service. :furious:

[panthera]

The girl was found safely walking around the site, Panthera. :) I should call her "Stupid girl"!! :P

Thanks so much :) I did look over at the rgj.com site today but didn't see anything about her. I agree it was stupid of her and she's very lucky.

[Leviosa]

I was bothered by the Lt.'s comments at first as well; however, given the soiled press coverage by all media and the notion that the Lt. may have been trying to 'ferret-out' the perp especially with his comment: "…there were items [at the scene] that only he and LE know about." Making statements like that are really unprofessional UNLESS, (and my God forbid)

There has been dismemberment, or heinous acts done on the remains after the fact. Another interesting notion I've been thinking of is this comment: "We can say that Brianna has been at the location for about…at least a week…" I am bothered by this insofar as it makes me think (1) either that was not the original disposal area and she was moved, or (2) maybe he kept Brianna alive for a period of time before he realized that he had no other alternative.

[Leviosa]

The UW is an enigma; yet on the other hand the motives are too obvious. Please any and all locals in your day-to-day musings about town if you should happen upon a mall or out shopping please if possible try and get a manufacturer of the lot. I spent hours today in VS's catalog and was amazed at how close I came to getting a match.

Food for thought: Pink is the international symbol for breast cancer; Hearts are the international symbol for love. Both of these issues prompted me to start searching. Oh yeah…I did get some information back from Trojan (actually Arm & Hammer): Condom was made the 135th day of the year 2007; so tell me something I couldn't figure out on my own, duh! The supervisor was very hesitant but she did grudgingly state "…somewhere to the northwest of the country…" Let's keep trying! CHEERS!

Leviosa

[Rolex]

#660 Yesterday, 05:27 AM
SeriouslySearching
These are my opinions. Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,832

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuziQ
Yes! And the first thing I thought of was when we were looking at the jerseys and speculating whether it was a coach or not.

I can't believe someone is missing. I hope she's ok. But the odds in Reno aren't good these days.

It was my first thought, too...when I read that story. I even posted it before I noticed the coach was finally mentioned as "she", but I bet she was still friends with the other coaches from Reno High.

Sorry this is from the last thread but I have to jump in here. This was not Reno High School- this was in Fallon Churchhill High , which is about 65 miles east of Reno , not even in Washoe, it is Churchhill County. No connection to Reno. Where did you get your information SS, it is totally wrong

[panthera]

The UW is an enigma; yet on the other hand the motives are too obvious. Please any and all locals in your day-to-day musings about town if you should happen upon a mall or out shopping please if possible try and get a manufacturer of the lot. I spent hours today in VS's catalog and was amazed at how close I came to getting a match.

Food for thought: Pink is the international symbol for breast cancer; Hearts are the international symbol for love. Both of these issues prompted me to start searching. Oh yeah…I did get some information back from Trojan (actually Arm & Hammer): Condom was made the 135th day of the year 2007; so tell me something I couldn't figure out on my own, duh! The supervisor was very hesitant but she did grudgingly state "…somewhere to the northwest of the country…" Let's keep trying! CHEERS!

Leviosa
It struck me when I first saw the photos of the underwear that there are pink hearts on them and Valentine's Day was last week. Also, Valentine's Day items have been in retailers since before Brianna was abducted. However these panties could've been purchased last year, or whenever. Then they'd have to be traced from the manufacturer to retailer the manufactuer sells through to the customer who might have paid cash and there would be no record who the buyer was.

[close_enough]

Leviosa....will you please answer a question for me??

the guy that you posted a picture of, compared with the sketch....who exactly is he friends with????

i find the sketch looks almost identical to this guy.....

[SuziQ]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080221/NEWS18/80221052&theme=DENISON

“America’s Most Wanted” is delaying its Saturday night broadcast about Brianna Denison, and is tentatively going to air it on March. 1.
(more at link)

[SuziQ]

I know I keep saying that I don't believe the sketch is related. I just want to state that I also don't believe it's insignificant because whoever attacked the Oct 22nd vic needs to be caught as well.

[panthera]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080221/NEWS18/80221052&theme=DENISON

“America’s Most Wanted” is delaying its Saturday night broadcast about Brianna Denison, and is tentatively going to air it on March. 1.
(more at link)
I wonder why the delay when this monster hasn't been caught yet?

[panthera]

I know I keep saying that I don't believe the sketch is related. I just want to state that I also don't believe it's insignificant because whoever attacked the Oct 22nd vic needs to be caught as well.
I'm surprised no sketch was done going from the description the Dec. assault victim gave. It might not be detailed but it would help to compare with the one we've been looking at.

[Juvenile]

My scatter-brain take on the suspect is that he is early 30's, high school stud turned college dropout, in constant visual contact with college girls via construction, delivery, service etc. Married and felt he "settled" and/or divorced, bold yet ignorant and has been very lucky up to this point. He lives in the area and not much of a traveler. Keeps to himself, yet has wondering eyes and brags to people around him. Tries to fit in with the young crowd which might have brought him to find Brianna that night.

I am still confused by the UW he left at the scene. He left it on purpose, but why and what significance does it have?

[close_enough]

Originally Posted by SieSie
I'm confused not only about them saying they have DNA evidence on the Oct. 22 case (which we didn't think they did!!) and also, how do they have DNA from the Nov. 13 case if the perp ran away after she kicked and screamed?Nov. 13, 2007
About 5 p.m., a 21 year old UNR student was grabbed and fondled by a man in the parking lot of her apartment complex in the 400 block of College Drive. The victim kicked the man and screamed and the suspect ran away.
From RGJ

?? Which cases do they have definite DNA match on??

from what i understand, they found some packaged condoms at the site with the suspects DNA on it...he must have dropped them?

[close_enough]

Authorities urge the public to consider that the following descriptions of the suspect and vehicle may vary slightly as compared to the actual suspect and vehicle, and that non-exact matches should not be ruled out. Any clues, no matter how seemingly insignificant, could help solve the case. DNA evidence already collected can provide positive links regarding any suspects who are found.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/NEWS18/80129044

[SeriouslySearching]

Great job on the condom search, Leviosa! At least, we know they were not "old" condoms since the date would be May 15th (for those that aren't familiar with the Julian calendar). After shipping, they probably arrived mid-June or so then sat in a box in the store a month or more. So conceivably he could have bought them anytime between mid-late July and November 13th.

[close_enough]

Thanks! I've been lurking for some time but finally used my work email to post since yahoo, gmail etc are not allowed.

Check into the personal alarms, I am a big advocate.


yes, it's definately something i'm going to check out....
cool...glad you're out of lurker mode now, lol

[close_enough]

I know I keep saying that I don't believe the sketch is related. I just want to state that I also don't believe it's insignificant because whoever attacked the Oct 22nd vic needs to be caught as well.

good point, Suzi.....but i must say, i'm really starting to think this October 22nd attack might be related....

[SeriouslySearching]

#660 Yesterday, 05:27 AM
SeriouslySearching
These are my opinions. Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,832

Quote:
Originally Posted by SuziQ
Yes! And the first thing I thought of was when we were looking at the jerseys and speculating whether it was a coach or not.

I can't believe someone is missing. I hope she's ok. But the odds in Reno aren't good these days.

It was my first thought, too...when I read that story. I even posted it before I noticed the coach was finally mentioned as "she", but I bet she was still friends with the other coaches from Reno High.

Sorry this is from the last thread but I have to jump in here. This was not Reno High School- this was in Fallon Churchhill High , which is about 65 miles east of Reno , not even in Washoe, it is Churchhill County. No connection to Reno. Where did you get your information SS, it is totally wrongGee, so sorry if I was mistaken! It was early on in the case when I read about it. Still...it is a horrible story. I apologize greatly for being wrong!! I must have had it in my head it was RHS or something. I don't know.

Thanks for bringing to my attention tho. :)

[mikesmom1989]

I have not seen this posted anywhere, so please accept my apology if it's a dupe.

The Westboro Baptist Church plans to picket Brianna's service this weekend. The announcement is up on their website, a site so foul I will not utter it's name here. There are people organizing to block them.

This group is reprehensible ---- did they announce why? Does Bri and/or her family have a military connection?
I simply cannot fathom why they would add to this family's pain & I originally thought they went after military, etc (picket @ soldiers funerals) which, IMO is equally reprehensible ---

[close_enough]

This group is reprehensible ---- did they announce why? Does Bri and/or her family have a military connection?
I simply cannot fathom why they would add to this family's pain & I originally thought they went after military, etc (picket @ soldiers funerals) which, IMO is equally reprehensible ---

hi mikesmom...long time, no see:)

here ya go...

Shirley Phelps-Roper, an attorney and member of the church, said Wednesday they targeted Reno because local law enforcement officers failed to protect three church members who picketed a memorial service here Saturday for staff Sgt. Sean Gaul, who was killed in Iraq on Jan. 9.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS18/80131020&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

[Rolex]

Gee, so sorry if I was mistaken! It was early on in the case when I read about it. Still...it is a horrible story. I apologize greatly for being wrong!! I must have had it in my head it was RHS or something. I don't know.

Thanks for bringing to my attention tho. :)

No problem, I know we are all on edge around here, we all want justice of Brianna. Two of my co-workers have daughters at UNR, and it is very sad at work. I hope he is caught soon.

Reno is a pretty transient town because of the Casinos, so he could have been a new transplant. Who knows but he needs to be caught and put to DEATH.

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm surprised no sketch was done going from the description the Dec. assault victim gave. It might not be detailed but it would help to compare with the one we've been looking at.I am a believer in using hypnosis in such cases. I think details can come out in this relaxed state especially after such a traumatic event. I wish they would at least attempt a sketch from her...maybe with a little help.

[close_enough]

has it ever been stated what time the attack happened on October 22nd???...i know the November 13th was around 5 pm, which doesn't jibe with the time of other attacks, however it's been determined it's related by DNA......(the condom pkgs)

[panthera]

I am a believer in using hypnosis in such cases. I think details can come out in this relaxed state especially after such a traumatic event. I wish they would at least attempt a sketch from her...maybe with a little help.
I agree that might help. She's already remembered quite a few details, both about him and the truck. I'm thinking he may have tried to hide his face from her but it still would be a useful visual to have a comparison.

[close_enough]

has it ever been stated what time the attack happened on October 22nd???...i know the November 13th was around 5 pm, which doesn't jibe with the time of other attacks, however it's been determined it's related by DNA......(the condom pkgs)

nevermind....i found my answer:)
10:00 pm

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080201/NEWS01/802010488/1016/NEWS

[SeriouslySearching]

SuziQ:
I know I keep saying that I don't believe the sketch is related. I just want to state that I also don't believe it's insignificant because whoever attacked the Oct 22nd vic needs to be caught as well.I agree he does need to be caught, too. I still don't believe he is associated with the other cases tho. Until LE comes out that they have a positive DNA matching him to the other crimes, I am going to hold out that this is not the same man who killed Bri and the sketch was a mistake to have put into these cases as such.

[mikesmom1989]

hi mikesmom...long time, no see:)

here ya go...

Shirley Phelps-Roper, an attorney and member of the church, said Wednesday they targeted Reno because local law enforcement officers failed to protect three church members who picketed a memorial service here Saturday for staff Sgt. Sean Gaul, who was killed in Iraq on Jan. 9.

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080131/NEWS18/80131020&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

thank you so much, close ....i couldnt figure out why they would target her and after reading the link you provided, i see they are targeting reno through Bri --- despicable :mad:
what can 1 say, you cannot reason with these fanatics, i am at a loss for words and only hope that Bri's loved ones will be protected from any additional pain on what will already be a horrible day for them ---
what a travesty that this despicable group cannot be stopped , for the zunino-denisons and all of the families that they target

[SeriouslySearching]

Johns said they recovered evidence at the scene that will aid in the investigation but declined to describe it. He also said they didn't want to be any more specific about how long the body had been in the field because that was something only the killer and law officers know.
http://www.ktvu.com/news/15116149/detail.html?rss=fran&psp=news

Didn't the spokesperson for the family go on and on last night on NG about how the family feels so much relief that she may not have even been aware of what was taking place and she was gone so quickly?! Looks like she did say that!

JENNIFER BUSHMAN, DENISON FAMILY SPOKESPERSON: They`re grateful that they know that it seems as if, at this point, that she didn`t suffer, that she didn`t know what happened to her. ~snip~ BUSHMAN: I mean, I think that the feeling, at least amongst the family, is that she was strangled right away. And so the hope is -- that`s their hope. And they`re getting comfort in the fact that they think that she was killed right away.

[SuziQ]

good point, Suzi.....but i must say, i'm really starting to think this October 22nd attack might be related....

You never know...

[mikesmom1989]

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080221/NEWS18/80221052&theme=DENISON

“America’s Most Wanted” is delaying its Saturday night broadcast about Brianna Denison, and is tentatively going to air it on March. 1.
(more at link)

This is very curious to me, Ed Miller of AMW was the TH on NG that was saying that LE sources asked him not to speak about certain details re the discovery and state of Bri --- makes me wonder what he knows and if that is the reason for the delay.
He is the one that indicated she was unclothed and then quickly stated after asked about the body being posed that LE asked him not to discuss.
Why the delay?

[close_enough]

thank you so much, close ....i couldnt figure out why they would target her and after reading the link you provided, i see they are targeting reno through Bri --- despicable :mad:
what can 1 say, you cannot reason with these fanatics, i am at a loss for words and only hope that Bri's loved ones will be protected from any additional pain on what will already be a horrible day for them ---
what a travesty that this despicable group cannot be stopped , for the zunino-denisons and all of the families that they target

you're very welcome, MM....i agree; despicable:mad:

[close_enough]

This is very curious to me, Ed Miller of AMW was the TH on NG that was saying that LE sources asked him not to speak about certain details re the discovery and state of Bri --- makes me wonder what he knows and if that is the reason for the delay.
He is the one that indicated she was unclothed and then quickly stated after asked about the body being posed that LE asked him not to discuss.
Why the delay?

i'm guessing the reason is to get footage of the memorial Saturday, for the show?....the memorial is Saturday, & maybe they couldn't fit it in for this week's show?....only reason i can think of:waitasec:

[SuziQ]

The AMW delay is being played off as not being for a specific reason. IMO, the only other time I've seen a delay is when there is breaking news crime that bumps it, and I'm not seeing any other urgent cases right now. I really don't know what to make of this. Maybe LE and AMW are at odds as to what info should be released?

[SuziQ]

i'm guessing the reason is to get footage of the memorial Saturday, for the show?....the memorial is tomorrow, & maybe they couldn't fit it in for this week's show?....only reason i can think of:waitasec:

There you go, sometimes the simpliest answers make the most sense.

[Snowbird]

Shirley Phelps-Roper, an attorney and member of the church, said Wednesday they targeted Reno because local law enforcement officers failed to protect three church members who picketed a memorial service here Saturday for staff Sgt. Sean Gaul, who was killed in Iraq on Jan. 9.



They were just here in my area to picket at the funerals of the Lane Bryant victims. The veterans from the VFW posts stood in front of them with large flags so no one at the funerals could even see them.

[close_enough]

You never know...

the timing of the attacks don't jibe, so it wouldn't surprise me if the October 22nd attack relates....Brianna was abducted sometime around 4:30 am....the November 13th attack, at 5 pm, the October 22nd, at 10 pm...then the Dec attack, i think was around 2 am,,,,

eta/correct....2 am is correct for the Dec 16th attack

[SeriouslySearching]

This is very curious to me, Ed Miller of AMW was the TH on NG that was saying that LE sources asked him not to speak about certain details re the discovery and state of Bri --- makes me wonder what he knows and if that is the reason for the delay.
He is the one that indicated she was unclothed and then quickly stated after asked about the body being posed that LE asked him not to discuss.
Why the delay?
ED MILLER, "AMERICA`S MOST WANTED": Police are asking me not to tell you exactly how she was found, and you know, whether or not the body was staged, but we can say the underwear was found near the body. And again, it`s not an accident. He put them there.

He does say the thong was found NEAR the body. If they are giving him this kind of information and he is releasing it...they may have put him in "time out" for such. LOL

[snarkymalarkey]

I haven't had a chance to read through all the threads, but I have a thought on the underwear. THat he dorpped it by mistake, and that it is his girlfirends or wifes. One victim referenced his car was messy and there was a baby shoe on the floor.
Maybe he is married, or has a significant other, and they use a laundramat, and the thong was so small it fell out wihtout anybody realizing it. If it was dark out he wouldn't have noticed.
...or he could be an underwear sniffer, and liked to bring others underwear with to increase gratification

[close_enough]

They were just here in my area to picket at the funerals of the Lane Bryant victims. The veterans from the VFW posts stood in front of them with large flags so no one at the funerals could even see them.

good for them!:clap:

[Leila]

The AMW delay is being played off as not being for a specific reason. IMO, the only other time I've seen a delay is when there is breaking news crime that bumps it, and I'm not seeing any other urgent cases right now. I really don't know what to make of this. Maybe LE and AMW are at odds as to what info should be released?

They just announced late this afternoon the death of Drew Peterson's 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio, was a homicide - not accidental as first thought.

[Leila]

Thanks! I've been lurking for some time but finally used my work email to post since yahoo, gmail etc are not allowed.

Check into the personal alarms, I am a big advocate.

Wecome Juvenile! :)

[SuziQ]

They just announced late this afternoon the death of Drew Peterson's 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio, was a homicide - not accidental as first thought.

That could be the reason right there.

[close_enough]

They just announced late this afternoon the death of Drew Peterson's 3rd wife, Kathleen Savio, was a homicide - not accidental as first thought.

YES!!!!!....thanks Leila; this makes me happy!

Greta reporting on this right now...

[SuziQ]

good for them!:clap:

I second that!

[panthera]

The AMW delay is being played off as not being for a specific reason. IMO, the only other time I've seen a delay is when there is breaking news crime that bumps it, and I'm not seeing any other urgent cases right now. I really don't know what to make of this. Maybe LE and AMW are at odds as to what info should be released?
I hadn't thought of that, and you just might be right. I was thinking back to what was on Nancy's show recently when Ed Miller was there, such as Brianna being nude, posed and so forth and maybe that is what it's all about since LE hasn't released some information like that.

[KR2tonenow]

I haven't had a chance to read through all the threads, but I have a thought on the underwear. THat he dorpped it by mistake, and that it is his girlfirends or wifes. One victim referenced his car was messy and there was a baby shoe on the floor.
Maybe he is married, or has a significant other, and they use a laundramat, and the thong was so small it fell out wihtout anybody realizing it. If it was dark out he wouldn't have noticed.
...or he could be an underwear sniffer, and liked to bring others underwear with to increase gratification

The underwear can't be an accident. Perp wanted LE to know his DNA was on there.

Must be frustrating to LE, that they can't find him in the database. :mad:

[SeriouslySearching]

You won't get any argument from me on that one. I definitely think they were put there on purpose and it seems like Ed from AMW thinks LE leans towards that, too.

[close_enough]

posted this on another thread to keep it easy to find, but wanted to get others thoughts....any?

October 22nd, monday around 10 pm ....
November 13th, tuesday around 5-6 pm
December 16th, sunday around 2 am
Brianna - January 20th, sunday 4:30 am

IF the guy is responsible for the October 22nd attack, i think it's safe to say he doesn't work on weekends......(maybe?)
....i don't think he works a night shift either....JMO