Brianna Denison 19yo Reno NV #7

[crypto6]

OK, I'm game.


Rolex: Belated thanks for the lock bumping article.

Others: What are the risks and possible benefits of keeping a lid on the news of the emergence of a serial rapist/killer??

Do we have any hard data on warning vs. not warning as far as number of victims, time to capture, etc??

Crypto6

[10EC_Dad]

OK, I'm game.


Rolex: Belated thanks for the lock bumping article.

Others: What are the risks and possible benefits of keeping a lid on the news of the emergence of a serial rapist/killer??

Do we have any hard data on warning vs. not warning as far as number of victims, time to capture, etc??

Crypto6

Before that can be discussed in relation to this case, a strong correlation of facts and circumstances will need to be established between the cited data and this case. Otherwise, it will be out of context in this thread.

With the lack of news on this topic, it is easy to create news.

For anyone local, is this still getting daily coverage from the local media?

[lew657]

I don't have any hard data but I think there are some things to be considered.

1. Copy cat crimes - happens in MANY cases where there is a lot of publicity

2. False reports - also happens a lot, it seems crazy to most of us but there are some people that just crave the attention that much.

3. What is the positive impact of a notice- how many of us honestly change our behavior because of a news report. Or let me change that slightly - how many of us would have altered our behavior at 19 -20 something? Would you have not gone to that party?

just my opinion- but I think sometimes the warnings are held back until the true extent of the crimes are determined.

[dontpanic38]

I think that the argument/debate about this getting silly. To even suggest that anyone kept the lid on a potential serial criminal is not only silly, it is just wrong.
The fact is that sexual assaults happen all the time, especially in an area with a large student population. There was nothing before Brianna that suggested anything more than a few details that could be applied to a number of cases that we know are not related.

To look back and say, well they happened at such and such time of night, or week of the month, and all of the victims were small and had dark hair is purely hindsight, and pointless. If those were factors then if the perp attacks a tall blonde in daylight on the first of the month, does that get ignored because it does not fit the "profile" that has been put out there?

Reno Police knew that there are unsolved sexual assaults, but there is no super computer that can scan every known instance of DNA and compare it to something else. (I know that there are DNA databases) It still takes someone to put 2+2 together and then find something with a DNA sample to compare it to.
One other thing to remember is that not all of the assaults are reported right away. I think only one assault (Prior to Brianna) was completely successful as far as the perp leaving DNA by way of semen (Again, that is only speculation on my part) but what we know as facts is that there are three assaults and one murder that this person is responsible for so far. If LE has the power to tie things together before something escalates to this point, we would have no crime. People would be arrested before they were able to commit their second or third crime.

I just think that the argument proves that it is a difficult job to be in Law Enforcement. You do what you do day in and day out with no thanks and then the second that something happens that does not get an immediate resolution, everyone accuses them of dropping the ball.

I want to point out that I have not heard one word criticizing the work that the investigators have done and are doing from Brianna's family, and I think that should speak volumes.

I have always loved coming to Websleuths and think that the discussions that happen here are way better than a lot of the other boards because it is a community of intelligent people who can look at a lot of different viewpoints without flame wars and name calling. I am not saying that is what is happening here, but I would hate to see it come to that. I think that we all feel strongly that a terrible thing has happened and we all want justice for Brianna, so I think that we just need to stick to the known facts and stop blaming anyone.

There is only one person to blame, and hopefully we will have a name and a face to vent our frustration on.

[close_enough]

Before that can be discussed in relation to this case, a strong correlation of facts and circumstances will need to be established between the cited data and this case. Otherwise, it will be out of context in this thread.

With the lack of news on this topic, it is easy to create news.

For anyone local, is this still getting daily coverage from the local media?

good question......

[close_enough]

"uneasy feeling at memorial"

good read, imo....

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080224/COL30/802240348/0/NEWS18

(sorry if the link is a repeat)

[crypto6]

I think that the argument/debate about this getting silly. To even suggest that anyone kept the lid on a potential serial criminal is not only silly, it is just wrong.
The fact is that sexual assaults happen all the time, especially in an area with a large student population. There was nothing before Brianna that suggested anything more than a few details that could be applied to a number of cases that we know are not related.
To look back and say, well they happened at such and such time of night, or week of the month, and all of the victims were small and had dark hair is purely hindsight, and pointless. If those were factors then if the perp attacks a tall blonde in daylight on the first of the month, does that get ignored because it does not fit the "profile" that has been put out there?

Reno Police knew that there are unsolved sexual assaults, but there is no super computer that can scan every known instance of DNA and compare it to something else. (I know that there are DNA databases) It still takes someone to put 2+2 together and then find something with a DNA sample to compare it to.
One other thing to remember is that not all of the assaults are reported right away. I think only one assault (Prior to Brianna) was completely successful as far as the perp leaving DNA by way of semen (Again, that is only speculation on my part) but what we know as facts is that there are three assaults and one murder that this person is responsible for so far. If LE has the power to tie things together before something escalates to this point, we would have no crime. People would be arrested before they were able to commit their second or third crime.

I just think that the argument proves that it is a difficult job to be in Law Enforcement. You do what you do day in and day out with no thanks and then the second that something happens that does not get an immediate resolution, everyone accuses them of dropping the ball.

I want to point out that I have not heard one word criticizing the work that the investigators have done and are doing from Brianna's family, and I think that should speak volumes.

I have always loved coming to Websleuths and think that the discussions that happen here are way better than a lot of the other boards because it is a community of intelligent people who can look at a lot of different viewpoints without flame wars and name calling. I am not saying that is what is happening here, but I would hate to see it come to that. I think that we all feel strongly that a terrible thing has happened and we all want justice for Brianna, so I think that we just need to stick to the known facts and stop blaming anyone.

There is only one person to blame, and hopefully we will have a name and a face to vent our frustration on.

That's the context I want to get at; in addition to questions of warning vs. not warning we have the complexity of the evolving patterns: When is a rape (or any other horrible crime) seen as part of a series of crimes by the same individual. I agree it's not fair in the early going to retrospectively place blame on anyone except the rapist. It's helpful to us inquiring minds to know what factors play into seeing a series of crimes as perpetrated by one individual or group. LE can't say there's a serial rapist about if they shouldn't, don't or can't connect the dots; however, most of their interpretation is retrospective like we are doing here, except with much more information to decipher. I'm trying to get at the rules they use, however fuzzy, to decide to look for one person.

This is not a question leading to assigning blame; on the contrary I'm trying to better understand LE's thought processes so I can learn from them.

Crypto6

[concernedperson]

"uneasy feeling at memorial"

good read, imo....

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080224/COL30/802240348/0/NEWS18

(sorry if the link is a repeat)

I operate at an emotional level too. She had some good insights. The perp is taunting at every opportunity IMO. The facts are his DNA when it is discoverable. Someone knows more about this person...I feel sure of that.

[close_enough]

I operate at an emotional level too. She had some good insights. The perp is taunting at every opportunity IMO. The facts are his DNA when it is discoverable. Someone knows more about this person...I feel sure of that.

yes!...can you imagine eyeing every man you see, to check for a description that matches?.....

[crypto6]

Before that can be discussed in relation to this case, a strong correlation of facts and circumstances will need to be established between the cited data and this case. Otherwise, it will be out of context in this thread.

With the lack of news on this topic, it is easy to create news.

For anyone local, is this still getting daily coverage from the local media?

We're at the point where we've connected two crimes so we've got that step of the correlation. How can we mine the other data to help us, or how can we use that link to help find the guy?? I appreciate your point and your question is even more pressing in cases where we can't quite make a match between cases and some want to and others don't.

Crypto6

[crypto6]

"uneasy feeling at memorial"

good read, imo....

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080224/COL30/802240348/0/NEWS18

(sorry if the link is a repeat)

Good find. The taunting is a key peice, for not only is he taunting, but possibly forecasting a future victim. Not only does he steal a precious life, but he steals trust between men and women.

Crypto6

[adnoid]

yes!...can you imagine eyeing every man you see, to check for a description that matches?.....

Can you imagine the feeling of being examined by everyone you see because they think you could be a rapist/murderer?

[crypto6]

I don't have any hard data but I think there are some things to be considered.

1. Copy cat crimes - happens in MANY cases where there is a lot of publicity

2. False reports - also happens a lot, it seems crazy to most of us but there are some people that just crave the attention that much.

3. What is the positive impact of a notice- how many of us honestly change our behavior because of a news report. Or let me change that slightly - how many of us would have altered our behavior at 19 -20 something? Would you have not gone to that party?



just my opinion- but I think sometimes the warnings are held back until the true extent of the crimes are determined.

And how much insight does a warning give a rapist into the progress of LE on the case?

Crypto6

[dontpanic38]

That's the context I want to get at; in addition to questions of warning vs. not warning we have the complexity of the evolving patterns: When is a rape (or any other horrible crime) seen as part of a series of crimes by the same individual. I agree it's not fair in the early going to retrospectively place blame on anyone except the rapist. It's helpful to us inquiring minds to know what factors play into seeing a series of crimes as perpetrated by one individual or group. LE can't say there's a serial rapist about if they shouldn't, don't or can't connect the dots; however, most of their interpretation is retrospective like we are doing here, except with much more information to decipher. I'm trying to get at the rules they use, however fuzzy, to decide to look for one person.

This is not a question leading to assigning blame; on the contrary I'm trying to better understand LE's thought processes so I can learn from them.

Crypto6


I think that the key to connecting crimes simply boils down to good investigators. While there are amazing tools that they have such as DNA databases, the biggest Databases and the fastest most powerful computers will never be able to do the job that a sharp eye for detail and experience will do. That is why I give a lot of credit to Reno LE for in a sense admitting that they are over their heads and calling for the FBI and any extra help and for the public to donate to expedite the process of looking through the backlog of DNA etc...

I think that there is a mindset that wants to see a pattern and rationalize a sick mind running loose by saying, "well, it is a twisted person who has something against petite brunettes and can only strike on Thursdays in the middle of the month"
It makes it less scary to rationalize it that way rather than to admit that there is a guy who can be anyone in the community who strikes against anyone who is vulnerable and has gone as far as going into the sanctity of a home to take what he wants. That is Terrifying, however that is the reality.
I said it before but I think it is going to be an Edwin Hall. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about him and nothing that anyone could have looked at and decided that he was someone who could commit the type of crime he is responsible for. I think it is terrifying because his victim was out doing what all of us do and in the blink of an eye, he took her from this world. It is a horrible sobering thought to realize that there really is no rationalization for it, and while it would be human nature to think that someone like that should have been noticed or caught committing other crimes before it got to that point, the reality is that until we get to the point of reading other peoples' minds and putting them away for future crimes or "thought crimes" there is no way anyone knows who, when, or why.

I am the father of a beautiful little girl, and I could not even imagine the terror of sending your daughter into the world with all of the normal issues that young women face, let alone something like this!
There is a book that I read that one of the big FBI profilers (Douglas I think) talked about a lot titled "Protecting the gift" and that author also wrote another book on the same lines about trusting your instinct. If someone gives you bad vibes, you are probably justified. Essentially he was saying that almost every survivor of some horrific crime had a "feeling" about the person who committed it. My point is that someone like John Douglas has seen some of the most horrific things a human can do and still he has to let his children go out in the world and do what they need to do. It is his hope that he taught them to be smart and make the right choices.

Sooooo My point is that there is no way to predict who is going to commit a crime, linking crimes is something that good investigators do, but it takes a lot of factors for them to link crimes 100%. It has become easier with DNA, but a good example of how DNA is just starting to make the job easier is here in my state of Missouri. In the past month or two they linked one man to several cases that took place in the 60's and 70's in St Genevieve Mo and Southern Illinois, and for one no one really even knew there was a serial killer that struck back then, people had their suspicions that some of the cases could be linked but there was nothing solid until DNA. There was no definite signature in the killings, and the MO was different each time.


I think that in this case, while it may seem painfully slow, this perp is not experienced enough to keep suspicion away or to avoid scrutiny from a lot of other sources. I said it last week, but I think that there is going to be a break in the case very soon. I think that LE has people that they are looking at, and there is always the fact that they are waiting for him to do something suspicious so they can move in and have probable cause and not have to tip their hand and have the perp lawyer up and make it harder to nail him.

[10EC_Dad]

That's the context I want to get at; in addition to questions of warning vs. not warning we have the complexity of the evolving patterns: When is a rape (or any other horrible crime) seen as part of a series of crimes by the same individual. I agree it's not fair in the early going to retrospectively place blame on anyone except the rapist. It's helpful to us inquiring minds to know what factors play into seeing a series of crimes as perpetrated by one individual or group. LE can't say there's a serial rapist about if they shouldn't, don't or can't connect the dots; however, most of their interpretation is retrospective like we are doing here, except with much more information to decipher. I'm trying to get at the rules they use, however fuzzy, to decide to look for one person.

This is not a question leading to assigning blame; on the contrary I'm trying to better understand LE's thought processes so I can learn from them.

Crypto6

I am in no way qualified to express LE's processes

[concernedperson]

I think that the key to connecting crimes simply boils down to good investigators. While there are amazing tools that they have such as DNA databases, the biggest Databases and the fastest most powerful computers will never be able to do the job that a sharp eye for detail and experience will do. That is why I give a lot of credit to Reno LE for in a sense admitting that they are over their heads and calling for the FBI and any extra help and for the public to donate to expedite the process of looking through the backlog of DNA etc...

I think that there is a mindset that wants to see a pattern and rationalize a sick mind running loose by saying, "well, it is a twisted person who has something against petite brunettes and can only strike on Thursdays in the middle of the month"
It makes it less scary to rationalize it that way rather than to admit that there is a guy who can be anyone in the community who strikes against anyone who is vulnerable and has gone as far as going into the sanctity of a home to take what he wants. That is Terrifying, however that is the reality.
I said it before but I think it is going to be an Edwin Hall. There is absolutely nothing remarkable about him and nothing that anyone could have looked at and decided that he was someone who could commit the type of crime he is responsible for. I think it is terrifying because his victim was out doing what all of us do and in the blink of an eye, he took her from this world. It is a horrible sobering thought to realize that there really is no rationalization for it, and while it would be human nature to think that someone like that should have been noticed or caught committing other crimes before it got to that point, the reality is that until we get to the point of reading other peoples' minds and putting them away for future crimes or "thought crimes" there is no way anyone knows who, when, or why.

I am the father of a beautiful little girl, and I could not even imagine the terror of sending your daughter into the world with all of the normal issues that young women face, let alone something like this!
There is a book that I read that one of the big FBI profilers (Douglas I think) talked about a lot titled "Protecting the gift" and that author also wrote another book on the same lines about trusting your instinct. If someone gives you bad vibes, you are probably justified. Essentially he was saying that almost every survivor of some horrific crime had a "feeling" about the person who committed it. My point is that someone like John Douglas has seen some of the most horrific things a human can do and still he has to let his children go out in the world and do what they need to do. It is his hope that he taught them to be smart and make the right choices.

Sooooo My point is that there is no way to predict who is going to commit a crime, linking crimes is something that good investigators do, but it takes a lot of factors for them to link crimes 100%. It has become easier with DNA, but a good example of how DNA is just starting to make the job easier is here in my state of Missouri. In the past month or two they linked one man to several cases that took place in the 60's and 70's in St Genevieve Mo and Southern Illinois, and for one no one really even knew there was a serial killer that struck back then, people had their suspicions that some of the cases could be linked but there was nothing solid until DNA. There was no definite signature in the killings, and the MO was different each time.


I think that in this case, while it may seem painfully slow, this perp is not experienced enough to keep suspicion away or to avoid scrutiny from a lot of other sources. I said it last week, but I think that there is going to be a break in the case very soon. I think that LE has people that they are looking at, and there is always the fact that they are waiting for him to do something suspicious so they can move in and have probable cause and not have to tip their hand and have the perp lawyer up and make it harder to nail him.

Your observations are particulary astute. I do feel you are correct.

[happy2bn10ec]

Can you imagine the feeling of being examined by everyone you see because they think you could be a rapist/murderer?

I don't know which would be worse - feeling suspicious of everyone or everyone suspicious of you...I feel for you, adnoid.

This needs to get solved like yesterday.

[Leila]

There's an excellent new article up at the RGJ website. Although LE doesn't have any new information on the Brianna Denison case, they are taking a pro-active stance and conducting a community seminar on safety. The seminar will be taped and broadcast on local television. Here's the link..............

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080225/NEWS18/80225050&oaso=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

[adnoid]

I don't know which would be worse - feeling suspicious of everyone or everyone suspicious of you...I feel for you, adnoid.

This needs to get solved like yesterday.

I feel for Brianna's family. I hope that whoever knows the perp finds it within themselves to make the phone call.

[Rolex]

I feel for Brianna's family. I hope that whoever knows the perp finds it within themselves to make the phone call.

Saturday I talked to a client who has friends on the PD. He said they are flooded with tips, over 100; it just takes time to go through it all. Hopefully the right one will be there.

[close_enough]

Saturday I talked to a client who has friends on the PD. He said they are flooded with tips, over 100; it just takes time to go through it all. Hopefully the right one will be there.

good deal..that's good to know!

[close_enough]

Can you imagine the feeling of being examined by everyone you see because they think you could be a rapist/murderer?

i'm with Hap on this...i can't imagine which would be worse...scary all the way around:(

[LionRun]

Let's hope that AMW will be airing the piece on Brianna's case and that it results in more good tips/leads!

Lion

[close_enough]

Let's hope that AMW will be airing the piece on Brianna's case and that it results in more good tips/leads!

Lion

yes, let's hope LR!

hey adnoid...i'm looking at your pictures...was Brianna found in the weeds, the higher looking weeds, or in the less weeded area, where it looks like the weeds are laying down.....(hope i'm making myself clear)

for example...is this where she was found?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/DSCN5217.jpg

or this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/DSCN5228.jpg

[adnoid]

yes, let's hope LR!

hey adnoid...i'm looking at your pictures...was Brianna found in the weeds, the higher looking weeds, or in the less weeded area, where it looks like the weeds are laying down.....(hope i'm making myself clear)

for example...is this where she was found?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/DSCN5217.jpg

Neither - my first guess was wrong. She was found here, where the rose petals are in the ditch:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/DSCN5227.jpg

Location marked with a blue dot on this map:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/Windows.jpg

[close_enough]

Neither - my first guess was wrong. She was found here, where the rose petals are in the ditch:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/DSCN5227.jpg

Location marked with a blue dot on this map:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/Windows.jpg

perfect!!..thanks:)
& thanks for the great pictures...i hadn't seen all of them till now...

[close_enough]

Neither - my first guess was wrong. She was found here, where the rose petals are in the ditch:


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/DSCN5227.jpg

Location marked with a blue dot on this map:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/Windows.jpg

wow, that looks so sad looking....to think her body was there:(
so that's about 100' from the actual road?

i know this has been brought up already, but could he have driven up to the dump site???....or do you think he carried her?

[adnoid]

wow, that looks so sad looking....to think her body was there:(
so that's about 100' from the actual road?

i know this has been brought up already, but could he have driven up to the dump site???....or do you think he carried her?

It's about 30 feet from Sandhill and 100 feet from Prototype.

Could have driven over the curb, but I think he carried her.

[LionRun]

Adnoid, thank you for the two new pics of where dear Brianna was dumped. Do you know what the large, irregularly shaped structure is at the corner of Prototype and Gateway is?

Lion

[DeltaDawn]

From the one pic with the rose petals and cross it looks like where he left her body is in back of buildings with no view of the body from those buildings? Is that correct?

[Reannan]

Maybe it is because I am from the South, where there are pine trees and woods everywhere, but the location just looks like so "exposed". I would think anyone trying to hide a body would have chosen a much more suitable location. Of course, we have already suspected that the body was placed and possibly posed for maximum effect. Therefore, the place she was found may be of great significance to the guy. Do we have a listing of the businesses that surround that area, and what kind of business they are??

[adnoid]

Adnoid, thank you for the two new pics of where dear Brianna was dumped. Do you know what the large, irregularly shaped structure is at the corner of Prototype and Gateway is?

Lion

No problem - I've put all my photos on the "Photos" thread.

That irregular building is 9550 Gateway, home of Computerized Screening, Inc. (http://www.computerized-screening.com/)

[adnoid]

From the one pic with the rose petals and cross it looks like where he left her body is in back of buildings with no view of the body from those buildings? Is that correct?

I could not see any windows in the building at 9550 Gateway (the building in the background) that face the lot.

[adnoid]

Maybe it is because I am from the South, where there are pine trees and woods everywhere, but the location just looks like so "exposed"...

That's just how things are on the valley floor. The area where Reno and Sparks are located is referred to as the "Truckee Meadows", but it's really a "high desert", and part of the Great Basin geologically. Go up the mountains just a little bit in any direction and you're deep in conifer forests. But Reno and Sparks, where not developed, are essentially what you see in that field - fairly flat, with low scrub. That field hasn't been cleared, that's just how it is.

...I would think anyone trying to hide a body would have chosen a much more suitable location...

The choice of that location baffles me at this point as well.

...Do we have a listing of the businesses that surround that area, and what kind of business they are??

We will when I get a free afternoon to go over there and map them out - which I promise I will do just as soon as I can! Off the top of my head, though, I don't think there's anything that jumps out at me. But I'll collect the info and let the group cogitate.

[Reannan]

Probably not significant, but interesting that the building she was found behind, "Computerized Screening, Inc", has the initials "CSI".

[adnoid]

Probably not significant, but interesting that the building she was found behind, "Computerized Screening, Inc", has the initials "CSI".

Yeah, the sign in front actually has "CSI" in large letters with the name of the company in much smaller letters underneath. The first time I went by I knew I could not just do a search on "CSI", so I turned around & stopped in front to write down the actual name. I'm getting used to getting funny looks.

[nanandjim]

Is everyone thinking that this guy was familiar with this site where Brianna was dumped. I think that he has seen the place before with the indented ground and easily and quickly drove there to dump her body. In a strange way, it's almost as if she were a little protected since she was not just thrown out on even ground, so to speak. Sorry if this thought has been discussed ad nauseum. I have been scanning over the posts for the past couple of days. :blushing:

[LionRun]

No problem - I've put all my photos on the "Photos" thread.

That irregular building is 9550 Gateway, home of Computerized Screening, Inc. (http://www.computerized-screening.com/)

Thank you adnoid. Although, I've never been to that area it strikes me as a place that someone would likely be familiar with in order to choose it to dump a body.

Lion

[close_enough]

It's about 30 feet from Sandhill and 100 feet from Prototype.

Could have driven over the curb, but I think he carried her.

thanks....i've always thought he carried her also....i wonder if he parked his car in the lot, there off Prototype......interesting

[close_enough]

Maybe it is because I am from the South, where there are pine trees and woods everywhere, but the location just looks like so "exposed". I would think anyone trying to hide a body would have chosen a much more suitable location. Of course, we have already suspected that the body was placed and possibly posed for maximum effect. Therefore, the place she was found may be of great significance to the guy. Do we have a listing of the businesses that surround that area, and what kind of business they are??

i'm really starting to think he wanted her to be found....

[Reannan]

i'm really starting to think he wanted her to be found....

I also think he wanted her to be found. From what little we know, Brianna was possibly his first murder. I would think he was either shocked by his actions, and perhaps feeling a bit remorseful, or he was excited and energized about his new "abilities". Because of the panties from another female being left there, and because of the rumors of the body being "posed", I tend to think he was more excited and energized than shocked and remorseful. I just think there may be clues to his identity that we can gain if we look carefully at his choice of dumping ground.

[Rick777]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the 24hour fitness thats near where Bri's body was found....those guys wear red shirts, with small print on the front. Interesting...

[SeriouslySearching]

I have always felt he wanted to her to be found because there are too many remote areas closer to where he abducted her to dump her. Why take the risk of being seen at all?

I also believe he probably drove into the field instead of carrying her because of the possibility he might be seen otherwise. Since the fitness center is a 24 hour facility, he did have a risk of someone driving by.

That is very interesting, Rick! They should be checking out their members and the people who work there carefully.

[Rick777]

I'm sure LE was all over the fitness center right away. The outfits fit the initial description. I guess all the LE had to do was say to the employees was.. "drop your drawers" and they could eliminate most.:)

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm sure LE was all over the fitness center right away. The outfits fit the initial description. I guess all the LE had to do was say to the employees was.. "drop your drawers" and they could eliminate most.:) :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :blushing: << The "new" team of investigators (the shaved pubic area squad).

[dee10134]

I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the 24hour fitness thats near where Bri's body was found....those guys wear red shirts, with small print on the front. Interesting...

I see what you're saying, but it doesn't have the blue around the collar or sleeves...

Here's an example of their jerseys: http://www.24hourfitness.com/

[dee10134]

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :blushing: << The "new" team of investigators (the shaved pubic area squad).

My main concern is speed of hair growth.

If the other attack (with the shaved genitals) took place in December, I would think that a month of not shaving would be sufficient to grow a substansial amount of new hair and render the "shaved genital" theory useless at this point...

[nanandjim]

I'm sure LE was all over the fitness center right away. The outfits fit the initial description. I guess all the LE had to do was say to the employees was.. "drop your drawers" and they could eliminate most.:)
Time to DNA test all of its employees... :o

[SeriouslySearching]

His SO might notice if he all of the sudden quit shaving...so I would assume he would continue on with his normal habits.

[philamena]

adniod,
Hi. Thanks for all the work you're doing on this case. :)

Do you remember/know if there are any traffic cameras within 10 or so miles from where Brianna was found?

Would it be likely that she was placed in that area during the day? Or would she more likely have been put there at night?

[DeltaDawn]

I think that he did purposely leave her body there, and the underware and pose the body. I think he wanted her found, but did this under the cover of darkness. And it doesn't look like anyone would have seen him there except someone passing by on the road. Which probably doesn't have alot of traffic in the wee hours of the morning.

I am interested in the Dec vic because I think that we can learn alot about our perp from her abduction and rape, and then with the follow up visit he made to her apartment. When he went back to her apartment in Jan that would lead you to believe he wasn't stalking her for that month because one would think he would have known she wasn't there. And are we to surmise that he was there to rape and murder her? And how many rapists return to their vics apartment a month later? Then when you read on the blogs that he had broken both her ankles..can that be true? If so then was he returning because he thought she would still be helpless? Many things about this perp seem so different, almost bizarre.

I am wondering if he recently, like within the past 6 months, moved to this area? And are there other cases of rapes and abduction at other college and university towns in other parts of the country that match these events?

[10EC_Dad]

I think that he did purposely leave her body there, and the underware and pose the body. I think he wanted her found, but did this under the cover of darkness. And it doesn't look like anyone would have seen him there except someone passing by on the road. Which probably doesn't have alot of traffic in the wee hours of the morning.

I am interested in the Dec vic because I think that we can learn alot about our perp from her abduction and rape, and then with the follow up visit he made to her apartment. When he went back to her apartment in Jan that would lead you to believe he wasn't stalking her for that month because one would think he would have known she wasn't there. And are we to surmise that he was there to rape and murder her? And how many rapists return to their vics apartment a month later? Then when you read on the blogs that he had broken both her ankles..can that be true? If so then was he returning because he thought she would still be helpless? Many things about this perp seem so different, almost bizarre.

I am wondering if he recently, like within the past 6 months, moved to this area? And are there other cases of rapes and abduction at other college and university towns in other parts of the country that match these events?

Sometimes I think most of the bizarre is not backed up by facts. I think it has mostly been generated by speculation.

[philamena]

DD,
That's the way I see it too.
Could he have possibly carried the body around for a few days and later put it in the field? Possibly doing so after sunset.

10EC DAD,
Hi. This is a crime forum, no the police department.
We are discussing possibilities of what happened to Brianna.
Facts given to the public and speculation is all we got.

[10EC_Dad]

DD,
That's the way I see it too.
Could he have possibly carried the body around for a few days and later put it in the field? Possibly doing so after sunset.

10EC DAD,
Hi. This is a crime forum, no the police department.
We are discussing possibilities of what happened to Brianna.
Facts given to the public and speculation is all we got.

phil,

I don't understand your point in response to my post. Again, my post implies that the most bizarre aspects listed by DD was from speculation.

[adnoid]

...Do you remember/know if there are any traffic cameras within 10 or so miles from where Brianna was found?...

If there is a single traffic camera in Washoe County it's news to me.

[FXSTS]

In response to a couple previous posts, IMHO,you can all but rule out the possibility that she was placed there in the daytime. For you people that are not from here,the whole area has been built up with businesses and housing close by within the past few years. It is extremely busy during the day but since this particular area is almost all businesses, there is nobody around at night. I work about a mile north of there and will use DoubleR BLVD. to go to my pharmacy and/or wal-mart,starbucks,etc. rather than using S. Virginia which runs the same way(north-south). I live about 45 minutes north of Reno and go through hundreds of square miles of desert with 4-wheel drive roads everywhere. If you look at where she was abducted on Google or whatever,you'll notice that about 15 blocks is all you have to go to where this nothingness all starts.(Peavine Mountain). LE called this a "Place Of High Interest" while the searches were going on. IMHO, this would have been a logical place to put her if you were in a hurry or a few miles north if you never wanted her to be found. I think that he wanted her to be found but I can't even begin to speculate why that area was picked. LE seems to think that he lives near where she was abducted and works or worked in the area that she was left. I wish I knew a little bit about profiling. I think and hope LE will get this POS.

[Leila]

I think that he did purposely leave her body there, and the underware and pose the body. I think he wanted her found, but did this under the cover of darkness. And it doesn't look like anyone would have seen him there except someone passing by on the road. Which probably doesn't have alot of traffic in the wee hours of the morning.

I am interested in the Dec vic because I think that we can learn alot about our perp from her abduction and rape, and then with the follow up visit he made to her apartment. When he went back to her apartment in Jan that would lead you to believe he wasn't stalking her for that month because one would think he would have known she wasn't there. And are we to surmise that he was there to rape and murder her? And how many rapists return to their vics apartment a month later? Then when you read on the blogs that he had broken both her ankles..can that be true? If so then was he returning because he thought she would still be helpless? Many things about this perp seem so different, almost bizarre.

I am wondering if he recently, like within the past 6 months, moved to this area? And are there other cases of rapes and abduction at other college and university towns in other parts of the country that match these events?


Just speculation on my part, but I have the feeling that he recently moved to Reno, sometime in the past year or two. Reno is small enough that it would only take a few months to become familiar with parts of the city. I think Brianna is his first murder, but that he's attacked/raped women before. He could be responsible for attacks/rapes of women in other cities.

I too feel there's elements that make this case very unusual. Most attacks on women are attacks of opportunity. The suspect attacks a woman and then goes on to another victim. Returning to the home of the December victim is very unusual.

[lew657]

We all have our theories on what happened to Brianna - and to be honest I have always thought she was alive for awhile after the abduction... all of a sudden one day - about a week before the body was found I just had this feeling she wasn't.

BUT thi think I just can't understand is how is it that this person is still out there. Someone knows what he did - how could you live with yourself protecting his secret or even not looking into your suspicions more?

I am sure Brianna was not a saint but she was a young person with a lot of life left - life she deserved to live.

[Ca-Sun]

Time to DNA test all of its employees... :o
Employees and patrons.

[newshound81]

I had posted a link in one of the earlier threads discussing rapes in Atlanta in mid-January that fit the same mode of attack. It is quite possible this guy travels for his job and not only has victims elsewhere and has left the area now for business in another city or part of the country, but actually lives in another area of the country alltogether.

Sure, there's probably SOs and other people with someone like that in their lives thinking, "Well, Johnny was in Reno for work during that week that girl was abducted...." but as has been stated elsewhere regarding this case, it takes a lot for people to go from thinking that it's a coicidence to really suspecting the person. I personally think he has skipped town for any of the above reasons or one I haven't considered and that that is why he has not been captured. But I totally agree that someone, somewhere, has a suspicion that they're not following through on for whatever reason. Unfortunately, it might take attacks elsewhere to move that person to make a connection and tell police they think their boyfriend, son, brother, father, uncle, etc. is the one.

[10EC_Dad]

Employees and patrons.

You can't be serious.

[10EC_Dad]

In response to a couple previous posts, IMHO,you can all but rule out the possibility that she was placed there in the daytime. For you people that are not from here,the whole area has been built up with businesses and housing close by within the past few years. It is extremely busy during the day but since this particular area is almost all businesses, there is nobody around at night. I work about a mile north of there and will use DoubleR BLVD. to go to my pharmacy and/or wal-mart,starbucks,etc. rather than using S. Virginia which runs the same way(north-south). I live about 45 minutes north of Reno and go through hundreds of square miles of desert with 4-wheel drive roads everywhere. If you look at where she was abducted on Google or whatever,you'll notice that about 15 blocks is all you have to go to where this nothingness all starts.(Peavine Mountain). LE called this a "Place Of High Interest" while the searches were going on. IMHO, this would have been a logical place to put her if you were in a hurry or a few miles north if you never wanted her to be found. I think that he wanted her to be found but I can't even begin to speculate why that area was picked. LE seems to think that he lives near where she was abducted and works or worked in the area that she was left. I wish I knew a little bit about profiling. I think and hope LE will get this POS.


I have continued to think that he panicked when he dumped her body instead of "planting" her body to be found for a specific reason.

You have given some useful insight of the area. Either he was in a real panic, and went to place familiar to him, or he did "plant" her body. I am still leaning towards the panic theory.

Thank you for your post and information.

[SeriouslySearching]

You can't be serious.I would say Ca-Sun is quite serious! I happen to agree. Other places have used a huge sampling of DNA to catch a killer.

If they do not turn up a genetic match from among those tested so far, the police said, they will eventually seek blood samples from every male over age 13 in the neighborhood -- more than 2,000 of them. It takes the police about two weeks to get the results back from the lab, and the first results are dribbling in now, showing no matches so far.
~snip~
Britain has tried semi-voluntary mass screenings like the one in St. Mellons before, with mixed results. Four years ago, the South Wales Police undertook the biggest effort to date when they screened 5,000 men in an unsuccessful attempt to find the killer of a 27-year-old woman.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE4D91138F930A15757C0A9639582 60

TRURO, Mass., Jan. 7 - In an unusual last-ditch move to find clues to the three-year-old killing of a freelance fashion writer, police investigators are trying to get DNA samples from every man in this Cape Cod hamlet, all 790 or so, or as many as will agree.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/national/10cape.html

*In the case of Christa Worthington, it did produce the killer who was eventually convicted by the name of Chistopher Mcowen.

The largest known DNA sweep took place in Germany three years ago. More than 16,000 people were tested before the killer of an 11-year-old girl was found. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/10/60minutes/main642684.shtml(Bolding done by me)

[10EC_Dad]

I would say Ca-Sun is quite serious! I happen to agree. Other places have used a huge sampling of DNA to catch a killer.

If they do not turn up a genetic match from among those tested so far, the police said, they will eventually seek blood samples from every male over age 13 in the neighborhood -- more than 2,000 of them. It takes the police about two weeks to get the results back from the lab, and the first results are dribbling in now, showing no matches so far.
~snip~
Britain has tried semi-voluntary mass screenings like the one in St. Mellons before, with mixed results. Four years ago, the South Wales Police undertook the biggest effort to date when they screened 5,000 men in an unsuccessful attempt to find the killer of a 27-year-old woman.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE4D91138F930A15757C0A9639582 60

TRURO, Mass., Jan. 7 - In an unusual last-ditch move to find clues to the three-year-old killing of a freelance fashion writer, police investigators are trying to get DNA samples from every man in this Cape Cod hamlet, all 790 or so, or as many as will agree.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/national/10cape.html

*In the case of Christa Worthington, it did produce the killer who was eventually convicted by the name of Chistopher Mcowen.

The largest known DNA sweep took place in Germany three years ago. More than 16,000 people were tested before the killer of an 11-year-old girl was found. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/10/60minutes/main642684.shtml(Bolding done by me)

They will have no legal basis to target this gym for mandatory DNA sample collections.

[Rolex]

We all have our theories on what happened to Brianna - and to be honest I have always thought she was alive for awhile after the abduction... all of a sudden one day - about a week before the body was found I just had this feeling she wasn't.

BUT thi think I just can't understand is how is it that this person is still out there. Someone knows what he did - how could you live with yourself protecting his secret or even not looking into your suspicions more?
I am sure Brianna was not a saint but she was a young person with a lot of life left - life she deserved to live.

They were flooded with leads. It takes time.
Today I spoke with a member of LE -while not specific at all said they were narrowed down and seemed pretty confident.

[SeriouslySearching]

They will have no legal basis to target this gym for mandatory DNA sample collections.They don't need a legal basis to ask for samples of DNA given voluntarily. All they have to do is simply ask.

[Taximom]

(snipped)
BUT thi think I just can't understand is how is it that this person is still out there. Someone knows what he did - how could you live with yourself protecting his secret or even not looking into your suspicions more?

Look how long it took to identify and catch Chester Stiles.

I hope they get this POS soon. What if he has moved on? If he's transient, nobody would even be suspicious of that.

[10EC_Dad]

They don't need a legal basis to ask for samples of DNA given voluntarily. All they have to do is simply ask.

Obviously, that is why I said mandatory.

[10EC_Dad]

Look how long it took to identify and catch Chester Stiles.

I hope they get this POS soon. What if he has moved on? If he's transient, nobody would even be suspicious of that.

That is possible, but based on his seemingly familiarity of Reno, he must have been there for a while.

[10EC_Dad]

They were flooded with leads. It takes time.
Today I spoke with a member of LE -while not specific at all said they were narrowed down and seemed pretty confident.

I wonder what that means.

I hope that means they have a short list of suspects.

[close_enough]

My main concern is speed of hair growth.

If the other attack (with the shaved genitals) took place in December, I would think that a month of not shaving would be sufficient to grow a substansial amount of new hair and render the "shaved genital" theory useless at this point...

exactly......if he shaved before, i'd bet he isn't now....

[close_enough]

I think that he did purposely leave her body there, and the underware and pose the body. I think he wanted her found, but did this under the cover of darkness. And it doesn't look like anyone would have seen him there except someone passing by on the road. Which probably doesn't have alot of traffic in the wee hours of the morning.
I am interested in the Dec vic because I think that we can learn alot about our perp from her abduction and rape, and then with the follow up visit he made to her apartment. When he went back to her apartment in Jan that would lead you to believe he wasn't stalking her for that month because one would think he would have known she wasn't there. And are we to surmise that he was there to rape and murder her? And how many rapists return to their vics apartment a month later? Then when you read on the blogs that he had broken both her ankles..can that be true? If so then was he returning because he thought she would still be helpless? Many things about this perp seem so different, almost bizarre.

I am wondering if he recently, like within the past 6 months, moved to this area? And are there other cases of rapes and abduction at other college and university towns in other parts of the country that match these events?

yep, he dumped her body at night, imo also.....he could have easily parked his car in the lot, to the left of the dumpsite, on Prototype, per adnoid's picture...(see link below)....no one would have noticed him walking in that area at night, especially if he had on dark clothing....i don't think he would have parked on the road on Sand Hill...his vehicle would have been too visible, but in that lot over to the left, it wouldn't have stuck out for people to notice....not in the wee hours of the morning, before dawn.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v468/adnoid/WS/Denison/Windows.jpg

(the blue dot is where her body was found)

good point about him returning to the Dec victim's home...makes sense IF he actually broke her ankles, that she would be helpless...i hadn't thought of that....

[JDB]

They don't need a legal basis to ask for samples of DNA given voluntarily. All they have to do is simply ask.

SS no if they want DNA from the employees they will have to go to court to get a court order.After all this is the USA and we have rights.They could ask to have DNA voluntarily but I will tell u what I would refused even though I have nothing to hide

[close_enough]

They were flooded with leads. It takes time.
Today I spoke with a member of LE -while not specific at all said they were narrowed down and seemed pretty confident.

cool....thanks for the info Rolex!

[close_enough]

SS no if they want DNA from the employees they will have to go to court to get a court order.After all this is the USA and we have rights.They could ask to have DNA voluntarily but I will tell u what I would refused even though I have nothing to hide

yeah, i hear ya JDB.....i think lots would decline in having a DNA test done, & LE couldn't hold it against them....what are they going to do?...start spending time watching all the men that refused to be tested?...no way; there'd be too many.......JMO

[close_enough]

In response to a couple previous posts, IMHO,you can all but rule out the possibility that she was placed there in the daytime. For you people that are not from here,the whole area has been built up with businesses and housing close by within the past few years. It is extremely busy during the day but since this particular area is almost all businesses, there is nobody around at night. I work about a mile north of there and will use DoubleR BLVD. to go to my pharmacy and/or wal-mart,starbucks,etc. rather than using S. Virginia which runs the same way(north-south). I live about 45 minutes north of Reno and go through hundreds of square miles of desert with 4-wheel drive roads everywhere. If you look at where she was abducted on Google or whatever,you'll notice that about 15 blocks is all you have to go to where this nothingness all starts.(Peavine Mountain). LE called this a "Place Of High Interest" while the searches were going on. IMHO, this would have been a logical place to put her if you were in a hurry or a few miles north if you never wanted her to be found. I think that he wanted her to be found but I can't even begin to speculate why that area was picked. LE seems to think that he lives near where she was abducted and works or worked in the area that she was left. I wish I knew a little bit about profiling. I think and hope LE will get this POS.

thanks for the input....yes, it's pretty clear to me now that he wanted her body to be found.....

[close_enough]

FXSTS.....will you please read my post...#72 on this thread, & see if it sounds logical to you?..i'm just wondering if it's possible it may have happened this way, or am i way off at looking at the picture....

or adnoid, or anyone that's from the area....please:)

[Juvenile]

....what are they going to do?...start spending time watching all the men that refused to be tested?

YES. Too bad DNA is not taken at birth.....But that's another topic.

[Silk]

Have been lurking for a long time but have not posted. I appreciate all of you and your posts. Most informative site on the web for current crimes.

I have mixed feelings about having mass DNA collection of the general male population in Reno because of two incidents I have been personally involved in.

A young college girl was murdered in her dorm and a composite was done of the possible perpetrator. 11 men were brought to my workplace for two other staff members and myself to collect DNA specimens (blood, head hair, pubic hair and sputum) on them. Each person we did, we compared to the composite drawing and each one we were certain was the killer. One man was so close, I remember my hands trembling as I collected his specimens. None of the 11 ended up being the one who raped and kill the girl...all 11 we had direct contact with were innocent men.

Another incident I was involved in collecting DNA samples on was the man who LE is absolutely 100% certain killed three local women in our town. Unfortunately they were never able to connect him to the murders by DNA and he was held on an unrelated charge but will eventually be released back into the community when his time is up on a relatively minor charge.

So demanding collection of DNA is not going to be what breaks this case, IMHO.

Keep up the good work.

[DeltaDawn]

phil,

I don't understand your point in response to my post. Again, my post implies that the most bizarre aspects listed by DD was from speculation.

The things that I personally find most bizarre in this case are fact.

It is bizarre for a rapist to bring/use condoms..that is fact..it is bizarre for a rapist to return their vic to their home..that is fact and it is bizarre for a rapist to return to their vics home 1 month later without stalking them that they didn't even realize the vic no longer lived there. The things after that are speculation.

My specualtions are that he has lived in Reno maybe 6 mos..enough to be familiar with the surroundings.
That he has done this before in other college / university towns.
That he wanted the body and undies found.
That he has done this before and will do this again.
That he has no compulsion to hide..he returned to the second vics home.
That he is 20-30 something..just starting what could be a very long career if he isn't stopped. And actually I think a 20 something.
That he is middle class, fairly well educated, not bad looking, actually very normal looking and acting and can blend into his surroundings easily.
I could go on but since this is speculation .. I think I have put enough Speculations out there for debate...
JMHO

[philamena]

If there is a single traffic camera in Washoe County it's news to me.

adnoid,
Thanks for the reply.
We don't have them on all main thoroughfares here either.






Quote:
Originally Posted by close_enough http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2015588#post2015588)
thanks for the input....yes, it's pretty clear to me now that he wanted her body to be found.....



Why do you think he left someone else's underwear near Brianna's body?
Was that suppose to be a hint?
Could the colors or pattern on the undies be a hint?

[adnoid]

...i don't think he would have parked on the road on Sand Hill...his vehicle would have been too visible, but in that lot over to the left, it wouldn't have stuck out for people to notice....not in the wee hours of the morning, before dawn...

Good thought. That rear lot is odd - it's marked off for car parking, but you can see two dock cutouts for trucks. In fact, at the front of the building there is a sign directing trucks to enter on Prototype Drive - but if there were cars parked in those spaces it would be tough for trucks to get in. I guess it would work.

To answer your question, what you propose would only work if there were no fence between the lot and the field. The pictures I took don't seem to show a fence, but the overhead photo looks to me like there are a series of fence posts there.

I suppose I'll have to drive by again. I swear I'm going to get pulled in for questioning soon.

[adnoid]

...We don't have them on all main thoroughfares here either....

We don't have them here at all, anywhere.

[DeltaDawn]

Good thought. That rear lot is odd - it's marked off for car parking, but you can see two dock cutouts for trucks. In fact, at the front of the building there is a sign directing trucks to enter on Prototype Drive - but if there were cars parked in those spaces it would be tough for trucks to get in. I guess it would work.

To answer your question, what you propose would only work if there were no fence between the lot and the field. The pictures I took don't seem to show a fence, but the overhead photo looks to me like there are a series of fence posts there.

I suppose I'll have to drive by again. I swear I'm going to get pulled in for questioning soon.


Thank you Adnoid for all that you do for us here at WS. Do not put yourself in harms way to get us answers. Being local yourself, that in itself, is more info then most of us could ever glean. Take care and be safe.
DD

[TopGunner]

I suppose I'll have to drive by again. I swear I'm going to get pulled in for questioning soon.


LOL! :D

[LionRun]

I suppose I'll have to drive by again. I swear I'm going to get pulled in for questioning soon.

:eek:! Well at least a couple of us agreed to post bail for you adnoid:D.

I hope you aren't pulled over, but in case you are, and once they clear you can you pump LE for some inside info:crazy: ?

Seriously, I hope you don;t get pulled over, and thank you again for all that you are doing:). If LE has inside info that might jeopardize the case if it gets out I would hope that they don't leak it.

Lion

[adnoid]

...If LE has inside info that might jeopardize the case if it gets out I would hope that they don't leak it...

As I said before, my BIL was in the field working the recovery. He knows a lot more about this case, but cares enough about it getting solved that he would NEVER divulge to me anything that wasn't public knowledge. Nor would I dishonor our relationship to ask, not that he would tell me if I did.

I'd love to know what he knows, what he saw that day. For instance, he does know whether she was strangled manually or with a cord. He knows exactly how she was found. But I cannot know myself, and that's how it has to be if the subhuman scum that committed these crimes is to be brought to ground.

Mind you, I'm not worried about being questioned, as I had nothing to do with it. I was in another country with my family when she was abducted, I don't match the description or the sketch, and one look below the belt would be instant disqualification. So if they want to be thorough that's OK with me. I'll give them a DNA sample, I have nothing to fear.

[Rolex]

Tonight on Channel 2 they will have a report about the facts vs fiction. I guess the wacko's are circulating rumors

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/NEWS18/80226035

[LionRun]

As I said before, my BIL was in the field working the recovery. He knows a lot more about this case, but cares enough about it getting solved that he would NEVER divulge to me anything that wasn't public knowledge. Nor would I dishonor our relationship to ask, not that he would tell me if I did.

I'd love to know what he knows, what he saw that day. For instance, he does know whether she was strangled manually or with a cord. He knows exactly how she was found. But I cannot know myself, and that's how it has to be if the subhuman scum that committed these crimes is to be brought to ground.

Mind you, I'm not worried about being questioned, as I had nothing to do with it. I was in another country with my family when she was abducted, I don't match the description or the sketch, and one look below the belt would be instant disqualification. So if they want to be thorough that's OK with me. I'll give them a DNA sample, I have nothing to fear.

I would expect the officers to keep known facts that if leaked could jeopardize the case to themselves. That is more what I meant in my post, but I think you probably know that;). You're a good egg, adnoid, and I respect your integrity and ethics:).

Lion

[LionRun]

Tonight on Channel 2 they will have a report about the facts vs fiction. I guess the wacko's are circulating rumors

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/NEWS18/80226035

Thank you Rolex:).

Lion

[Ca-Sun]

I suppose I'll have to drive by again. I swear I'm going to get pulled in for questioning soon.LOL! Be sure to take pictures when you do ;)

[FXSTS]

FXSTS.....will you please read my post...#72 on this thread, & see if it sounds logical to you?..i'm just wondering if it's possible it may have happened this way, or am i way off at looking at the picture....

or adnoid, or anyone that's from the area....please:)
It is very possible that the parking area on Prototype was used but I've been there twice and for some reason automatically assumed that he parked facing east and used Sandhill. When you are standing there, the layout of the land and the close proximity to where she was put seems to point to this. I don't think a car parked there in the middle of the night would have aroused much suspicion,but after you mentioned it, maybe the parking area would have been a better choice if he planned on spending any amount of time there(given that building doesn't have security patrol).

Also, I'm almost positive that there is no fence between the parking area and the field.

[Leila]

Tonight on Channel 2 they will have a report about the facts vs fiction. I guess the wacko's are circulating rumors

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/NEWS18/80226035

Thanks Rolex..............interesting article. It's things like this that make the police investigation difficult........having to chase down false information and verify it, in order to then debunk it as it's misleading the public.

[lew657]

Here is what I am wondering - and no clue if it would be legal or even reasonable but everyone seems to think the gym is a key to this guy. Well my gym supplies towels for members to wipe down equipment. I am assuming these would contain your DNA - if they gym agreed could the DNA test the towels, they are gym property? Now I realize this wouldn't give them a person's name but would that positive DNA then be enough for a warrant for the members who were at the gym that day to be tested?

Probably way too roundabout, time consuming, expensive and possibly not legal but I was curious - anyone know?

[strach304]

Have been following but not posting. I have an important question. In the report that Rolex just posted it says the woman whose underwear were found with Brianna's body has not come forward. Ok, so I know someone here can answer this for me. :)

How would she be able to do that? Were they distinctive in some way? Wasn't her and the killers dna found on them? The killers dna proves they were deliberately left there right? Were these underwear shown or even described in the media and I missed it?

Couldn't he have swiped them from somewhere like dirty laundry or whatever and later added his own dna? Even if the owner knew she had a pair fitting that description she'd also know she hadn't been with someone and may not even notice they were gone. They could've come from outside Reno altogether as well. But it is a good lead to follow but may not tie the owner to the killer.

[strach304]

Other thoughts to add to my above post and after reading Lew's post, couldn't the underwear be brand new and somehow the females dna added from a means like Lew posted and then of course the killers? Good way to throw off LE.

Also forgot to add in my previous post that I think it's possible they could lead to another victim and that's why they were left? The owner may not be able to come forward.

[dee10134]

Other thoughts to add to my above post and after reading Lew's post, couldn't the underwear be brand new and somehow the females dna added from a means like Lew posted and then of course the killers? Good way to throw off LE.

Also forgot to add in my previous post that I think it's possible they could lead to another victim and that's why they were left? The owner may not be able to come forward.


The panties are NOT brand new. There are photos of them. They are worn and the tag is severely faded. I'd guess they've been through repeated wear/wash cycles and are probably around 1-1/2 to 2 years old, possibly older than that.

[10EC_Dad]

Tonight on Channel 2 they will have a report about the facts vs fiction. I guess the wacko's are circulating rumors

http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/NEWS18/80226035


Thank you for that post.

I think I stated it before, when there is a lack of news, some people will create their own. It is a shame that LE has to spend time dealing rumors.

[Rick777]

I know the email is most likely false, but the theory of having a female accomplise seems pretty possible. That could explain the pink panther underwear, the baby shoe, and why nobody has come forward about knowing this guy. he better hope he doesn't piss her off, or he's screwed.

[dontpanic38]

Here is what I am wondering - and no clue if it would be legal or even reasonable but everyone seems to think the gym is a key to this guy. Well my gym supplies towels for members to wipe down equipment. I am assuming these would contain your DNA - if they gym agreed could the DNA test the towels, they are gym property? Now I realize this wouldn't give them a person's name but would that positive DNA then be enough for a warrant for the members who were at the gym that day to be tested?

Probably way too roundabout, time consuming, expensive and possibly not legal but I was curious - anyone know?


Absolutely illegal, the Gym would also probably stop being a business after it's members found out that their privacy was blatantly intruded on. The idea of mass DNA testing may be fine for somewhere like Britain where for some reason the citizens have given up almost any ounce of privacy in order to feel secure, but I don't see it happening in this country yet. There are a lot of factors that make it a bad idea.
One is that the way our Law enforcement is using DNA at the moment may be slow, but it does get results. Imagine how much slower things would be if DNA from a crime had to be checked against every single sample ever taken from anyone.
The other problem that would come up is human error. You have people collecting the DNA, and you have people in labs testing DNA, the more of it, the better the chance for human error.


Slippery slope.....

[dontpanic38]

Thank you for that post.

I think I stated it before, when there is a lack of news, some people will create their own. It is a shame that LE has to spend time dealing rumors.

That is one of my pet peves with discussion boards too.

The victim that supposedly had her ankles broken is a good example of that. That information was taken from a completely unreliable source and coupled with some of the other posts at that particular discussion site, the source of that information is nothing but a troll who gets their kicks by stirring up the pot...
But it comes up in our discussions, then everyone agrees that there is no basis in fact and we move on, until someone comes in six pages later and comments on it, and ten other people start discussing it and we all have to go back and figure out what just happened.....

Not picking on anyone, I just find myself dizzy trying to keep the facts straight. :crazy:

[Rolex]

On the news last night they said there is another e-mail circulating that a suspect has turned himself in; they said that was false.

Channel 2 news reported that no one has come forward to claim the panites. Even if someone has, the media would not get that info until LE is ready to make an arrest or maybe after they made the arrest. LE is not leaking any info at all.

[Rick777]

On the news last night they said there is another e-mail circulating that a suspect has turned himself in; they said that was false.

Channel 2 news reported that no one has come forward to claim the panites. Even if someone has, the media would not get that info until LE is ready to make an arrest or maybe after they made the arrest. LE is not leaking any info at all.

I sure don't see this as a case where the suspect would turn himself in. Stranger things have happened I suppose....

[10EC_Dad]

I sure don't see this as a case where the suspect would turn himself in. Stranger things have happened I suppose....

I think it is more likely he would commit suicide before turning himself in.

[StillHoping]

Is there any chance the perp is putting out these rumors?

[adnoid]

...I'm almost positive that there is no fence between the parking area and the field.

You are correct. I went by there this morning, the curb of the parking lot is right against the edge of the field. What looked to me like fence posts are a line of small shrubs.

Also - on the radio this morning Reno PD was quoted as saying they are tracking down an average of 5 leads per hour, have received thousands of tips, and it's the biggest manhunt they have mounted in memory. I suppose this means it surpasses the hunt for Darren Mack, which didn't end up taking all that long.

[close_enough]

thanks adnoid & FXSTS!...that's what i wanted to know..just wasn't sure if i was looking at the map right.....just popping in real quick to check in...heading out of town in about an hour.....:)

[StillHoping]

I suppose I'll have to drive by again. I swear I'm going to get pulled in for questioning soon.

I will be watching for the headlines "Police question an adnoid in the case of serial rapist" LOL :crazy:

[Rolex]

The news came on while I was driving to work at 9AM on the radio 780AM
- This is the quote from the LE:

"processing 4 to 6 leads per hour, in excess of 1000 leads, this is largest manhunt in Northern Nevada since I've been on the force."
That's all they will release.

They are working as hard as they can, even though we don't see or hear what they are doing.

Edited to say processing , not getting

[Rick777]

The news came on while I was driving to work at 9AM on the radio 780AM
- This is the quote from the LE:

"processing 4 to 6 leads per hour, in excess of 1000 leads, this is largest manhunt in Northern Nevada since I've been on the force."
That's all they will release.

They are working as hard as they can, even though we don't see or hear what they are doing.

Edited to say processing , not getting


I think thats awesome!

[10EC_Dad]

The news came on while I was driving to work at 9AM on the radio 780AM
- This is the quote from the LE:

"processing 4 to 6 leads per hour, in excess of 1000 leads, this is largest manhunt in Northern Nevada since I've been on the force."
That's all they will release.

They are working as hard as they can, even though we don't see or hear what they are doing.

Edited to say processing , not getting

Thanks for the that update and reminding us what is being done.

[SeriouslySearching]

Obviously, that is why I said mandatory. I don't think we were discussing "mandatory" DNA samples from anyone. Of course, they would need a SW to obtain those.

They should be asking people around Reno for DNA samples such as the nearby gym, if they feel it could lead to a suspect. Yes, the ones who refuse a DNA should be looked at closer. It is common sense and it is what other LE departments do if there is a refusal when conducting a large sampling.

[10EC_Dad]

I don't think we were discussing "mandatory" DNA samples from anyone. Of course, they would need a SW to obtain those.

They should be asking people around Reno for DNA samples such as the nearby gym, if they feel it would lead to a suspect. Yes, the ones who refuse a DNA should be looked at closer. It is common sense and it is what other LE departments do if there is a refusal when conducting a large sampling.

I was not aware that there have been very many large samplings.

If I remember correctly, this began with a suggestion that everyone at a gym should have their DNA submitted. The basis of this suggestion is that the gym is close to site where Brianna's body was found and that the gym workers were red. Is that correct?

[Rick777]

I was not aware that there have been very many large samplings.

If I remember correctly, this began with a suggestion that everyone at a gym should have their DNA submitted. The basis of this suggestion is that the gym is close to site where Brianna's body was found and that the gym workers were red. Is that correct?

The gym workers were not red. the clothes they wore were. :crazy:

[10EC_Dad]

The gym workers were not red. the clothes they wore were. :crazy:

Does it really matter?

[SeriouslySearching]

I was not aware that there have been very many large samplings.

If I remember correctly, this began with a suggestion that everyone at a gym should have their DNA submitted. The basis of this suggestion is that the gym is close to site where Brianna's body was found and that the gym workers were red. Is that correct?LE can ask they submit their DNA for testing without a search warrant to do so. It doesn't become mandatory at that point. It is only a request of the people in the area of where her body was found.

[SeriouslySearching]

I am delighted they are following up on so many leads. I hope they can narrow the field down to find this man. Maybe more than one person has pointed to one man in their investigation to quickly give them a POI.

[close_enough]

hey Dad...don't sweat the small stuff...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what you meant in your post:)

[Rick777]

Just have a little bit of respect. Thats all I'm saying....

[dee10134]

YES. Too bad DNA is not taken at birth.....But that's another topic.

YEAH, let's give up ALL of our rights to privacy! :slap:

:rolleyes:

[SeriouslySearching]

Not offended at all here! It is simply ironic.

OK Back to the case...

I wonder if LE has checked out the similar case in AZ yet or other surrounding states?

[Rick777]

YEAH, let's give up ALL of our rights to privacy! :slap:

:rolleyes:


I agree. But can you imagine the drop in crime if everybody's DNA was on record? whew...

[10EC_Dad]

hey Dad...don't sweat the small stuff...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know what you meant in your post:)

I am smiling(sp) over here. I am watching some beautiful snow flakes. We don't get to see many here in TN.

[Rick777]

That is not condesending at all.

I can see by the exclamation point that you are very emotional right now.

I really didn't think that could be a serious statement if you consider the reality of that act. Have you thought through that?


hahahahaha...yeah, I'm fired up. :crazy: *not* I can see by your question mark that you don't understand. I've made my point and am moving on. You?

[dee10134]

I agree. But can you imagine the drop in crime if everybody's DNA was on record? whew...

I'm sure that's eventually what it will come to. Big brother is watching you.

[Rick777]

I'm sure that's eventually what it will come to. Big brother is watching you.

yeah they are. I'm sure we will all get computer chips inserted into our wrists soon.

[10EC_Dad]

I don't think we were discussing "mandatory" DNA samples from anyone. Of course, they would need a SW to obtain those.

They should be asking people around Reno for DNA samples such as the nearby gym, if they feel it could lead to a suspect. Yes, the ones who refuse a DNA should be looked at closer. It is common sense and it is what other LE departments do if there is a refusal when conducting a large sampling.

Do you think that all employees and patrons of this gym should be asked for DNA samples?

[close_enough]

adnoid,
Thanks for the reply.
We don't have them on all main thoroughfares here either.

Why do you think he left someone else's underwear near Brianna's body?
Was that suppose to be a hint?
Could the colors or pattern on the undies be a hint?

i think he left the underpants on purpose to simply 'play' with LE....jmo

[10EC_Dad]

hahahahaha...yeah, I'm fired up. :crazy: *not* I can see by your question mark that you don't understand. I've made my point and am moving on. You?

The smiles are a nice addition. Where did you find those?

[Rick777]

Do you think that all employees and patrons of this gym should be asked for DNA samples?


I want to say yes because I want the killer caught, but no way.....that would set a bad precident. There hasta be a source of suspicion..

[SeriouslySearching]

That is not condesending at all.

I really didn't think that could be a serious statement if you consider the reality of that act. Have you thought through that???? The reality of the act?! I guess you didn't read the cases I brought up earlier where LE did exactly that and all without search warrants or citing case law! Let me go repost them so you can see I did back up what I was saying before I said it.

[close_enough]

I am smiling(sp) over here. I am watching some beautiful snow flakes. We don't get to see many here in TN.

yep, it's coming down here also...big flakes, but here in mid TN we don't get a lot of accumulation, ugh.....but it sure is pretty!:)

a good friend of mine way up in East TN has 6 inches on the ground!!!

[Rick777]

The smiles are a nice addition. Where did you find those?

OBVIOUSLY they are too your left. ARE YOU SERIOUS? Wow....those comments come in handy. Thanks Dad.

[10EC_Dad]

i think he left the underpants on purpose to simply 'play' with LE....jmo

If he did, then I had this guy figured wrong.

That seems like a big step on, what I consider, his first murder.

Do you think he has killed someone before?

[JDB]

I don't think we were discussing "mandatory" DNA samples from anyone. Of course, they would need a SW to obtain those.

They should be asking people around Reno for DNA samples such as the nearby gym, if they feel it could lead to a suspect. Yes, the ones who refuse a DNA should be looked at closer. It is common sense and it is what other LE departments do if there is a refusal when conducting a large sampling.

Once again asking for DNA samples without a warrant is against our rights.I know for a fact I would never submit to DNA testing . An if the LE then looks at the ones that refuse closer that can and would be considered either profiling or harrassmen.An in a court of law a suit would be allowed and upheld.Thank God we do not live in a communist coutry.

[Rick777]

??? The reality of the act?! I guess you didn't read the cases I brought up earlier where LE did exactly that and all without search warrants or citing case law! Let me go repost them so you can see I did back up what I was saying before I said it.


Don't sweat the small stuff SS. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to remember that. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

I would say Ca-Sun is quite serious! I happen to agree. Other places have used a huge sampling of DNA to catch a killer.

If they do not turn up a genetic match from among those tested so far, the police said, they will eventually seek blood samples from every male over age 13 in the neighborhood -- more than 2,000 of them. It takes the police about two weeks to get the results back from the lab, and the first results are dribbling in now, showing no matches so far.
~snip~
Britain has tried semi-voluntary mass screenings like the one in St. Mellons before, with mixed results. Four years ago, the South Wales Police undertook the biggest effort to date when they screened 5,000 men in an unsuccessful attempt to find the killer of a 27-year-old woman.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CE4D91138F930A15757C0A9639582 60

TRURO, Mass., Jan. 7 - In an unusual last-ditch move to find clues to the three-year-old killing of a freelance fashion writer, police investigators are trying to get DNA samples from every man in this Cape Cod hamlet, all 790 or so, or as many as will agree.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/10/national/10cape.html

*In the case of Christa Worthington, it did produce the killer who was eventually convicted by the name of Chistopher Mcowen.

The largest known DNA sweep took place in Germany three years ago. More than 16,000 people were tested before the killer of an 11-year-old girl was found. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/10/60minutes/main642684.shtml(Bolding done by me)
Here you go! Maybe people should read up on what other LE agencies have used successfully in the past.

Not only do I think it would be a good idea to request DNA from the gym staff and members, but in the very office of the person who found the body also.

[10EC_Dad]

yep, it's coming down here also...big flakes, but here in mid TN we don't get a lot of accumulation, ugh.....but it sure is pretty!:)

a good friend of mine way up in East TN has 6 inches on the ground!!!

I am just down the road from you. I have friends in Kingsport but have not checked in with them.

I would be happy with some measurable snow. But the kids are happy to be out of school.

[close_enough]

I suppose I'll have to drive by again. I swear I'm going to get pulled in for questioning soon.

LOL...you're doing a great job!

[Rick777]

I think at this point....the thongs were a plant because as far as we know, nobody has stepped forward as the owner. I would think they would have by now?

[10EC_Dad]

OBVIOUSLY they are too your left. ARE YOU SERIOUS? Wow....those comments come in handy. Thanks Dad.

Rick, you are very welcome.

Now try to calm down and watch out for that darn Caps Lock key on your left also.

[Rick777]

LOL...you're doing a great job!

yeah...your photos have been huge in letting us know the area. Thank you! And seriously.....they might just pull you over at some point!

[close_enough]

If he did, then I had this guy figured wrong.

That seems like a big step on, what I consider, his first murder.

Do you think he has killed someone before?

hard to say.....it's possible he dropped them by accident, but it sure seems like a big accident to me.....i don't think he's killed before, BUT again, it's possible.....

[10EC_Dad]

Here you go! Maybe people should read up on what other LE agencies have used successfully in the past.

Not only do I think it would be a good idea to request DNA from the gym staff and members, but in the very office of the person who found the body also.

It just seems like many would refuse on the basis of personal rights. Do you know the submission rate in these cases?

[close_enough]

Dad....when you make a post/reply, the smileys are to the right...simply click on the one you want....click "more" for others:)

[Rick777]

I would like to know what the guy who found Bri has to say.

[close_enough]

The news came on while I was driving to work at 9AM on the radio 780AM
- This is the quote from the LE:

"processing 4 to 6 leads per hour, in excess of 1000 leads, this is largest manhunt in Northern Nevada since I've been on the force."
That's all they will release.

They are working as hard as they can, even though we don't see or hear what they are doing.

Edited to say processing , not getting

oh, this is good to know!....i think they'll apprehend this freak in the near future....sure hope so, anyway...

[10EC_Dad]

Dad....when you make a post/reply, the smileys are to the right...simply click on the one you want....click "more" for others:)

Thank you, learn as we go.

[Rick777]

oh, this is good to know!....i think they'll apprehend this freak in the near future....sure hope so, anyway...


You would think so, but then you think of all the other high profile cases recently.....like the on the run Marine thats hiding in mexico, and it doesn't look good.

[Rick777]

I know there are arguments on both sides about whether or not Bri's body was left to be found, or just left. It seems like he wanted her found, BUT he kinda hid her in that trench. Right Adnoid? So that throws me off...

[lew657]

Couple things - my idea of testing the towels at the gym was just a question if they legally could. Since the towels belonged to the gym I would think it would just be the gym who had to give the ok not the person who used the towel. As for people not going there again if they did- I personally would be glad to know they were doing what they can to help.

As for asking for DNA samples - I did check with a reliable source and it is perfectly 100% legal not against anyone's rights to ask you to submit a DNA sample. You of course have the right to say no and yes this could be viewed as cause for suspicion in itself but more would be needed to get a SW. As for me - I am female and not in the area so obviously wouldn't be asked but if I was I would willingly do it. I don't see having my DNA on file as anymore an invasion of privacy then the fact that I had to be fingerprinted for my job (finance industry - it is required) or that my blood type is on file from donating blood.

Now my last point in this way too long post... Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong here but I could very easily be missing a pair of undies and have no clue they were missing. Or the person could have "lost" them so long ago - if the perp stole them from laundry or off the floor of an ex - that she may not think they could be hers.

[10EC_Dad]

I want to say yes because I want the killer caught, but no way.....that would set a bad precident. There hasta be a source of suspicion..

I agree, sometimes you just want the guy caught. Period.

I think sometimes it is easy to interpret the actions, or percieved inaction, of LE as not doing their job because we just want the guy caught and we don't think about due process.

Was that a run on sentence?

[Rick777]

lew.....I agree with that, but people who have things with the Pink Panther on them would go "wow...I have some like that" and you would think they would at least look for them.

[close_enough]

Thank you, learn as we go.

you're very welcome Dad!

[Rick777]

I agree, sometimes you just want the guy caught. Period.

I think sometimes it is easy to interpret the actions, or percieved inaction, of LE as not doing their job because we just want the guy caught and we don't think about due process.

Was that a run on sentence?


Right on dad. Seeeeeee....sometimes we can think alike and be civil.:clap:

[adnoid]

...Was that a run on sentence?

Not at all.

[10EC_Dad]

Right on dad. Seeeeeee....sometimes we can think alike and be civil.:clap:

I am glad you have come to your census!:crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

I would like to know what the guy who found Bri has to say.I would like to know his explanation for going clear back to his office and not calling 911 on his cell phone instead. Why did his manager have to make that call FOR him?! This was odd behavior.

[Rick777]

I would like to know his explanation for going clear back to his office and not calling 911 on his cell phone instead. Why did his manager have to make that call FOR him?! This was odd behavior.


maybe he was non english speaking?

[10EC_Dad]

Here you go! Maybe people should read up on what other LE agencies have used successfully in the past.

Not only do I think it would be a good idea to request DNA from the gym staff and members, but in the very office of the person who found the body also.

Would you extend that DNA net to other possible connections cited on this board?

[10EC_Dad]

I would like to know his explanation for going clear back to his office and not calling 911 on his cell phone instead. Why did his manager have to make that call FOR him?! This was odd behavior.

Rick has a good suggestion that it was a language barrier.

Do you consider the person who found the body a suspect?

[SeriouslySearching]

Couple things - my idea of testing the towels at the gym was just a question if they legally could. Since the towels belonged to the gym I would think it would just be the gym who had to give the ok not the person who used the towel. As for people not going there again if they did- I personally would be glad to know they were doing what they can to help.

As for asking for DNA samples - I did check with a reliable source and it is perfectly 100% legal not against anyone's rights to ask you to submit a DNA sample. You of course have the right to say no and yes this could be viewed as cause for suspicion in itself but more would be needed to get a SW. As for me - I am female and not in the area so obviously wouldn't be asked but if I was I would willingly do it. I don't see having my DNA on file as anymore an invasion of privacy then the fact that I had to be fingerprinted for my job (finance industry - it is required) or that my blood type is on file from donating blood.

Now my last point in this way too long post... Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong here but I could very easily be missing a pair of undies and have no clue they were missing. Or the person could have "lost" them so long ago - if the perp stole them from laundry or off the floor of an ex - that she may not think they could be hers.Thanks for checking on the validity of asking for DNA. The only issue becomes afterwards when the legal fight starts of what happens to such DNA collected in the operations.

Yes, a thong I might not wear a lot could be missing and I might not be aware of it. However, I think if they showed up on every national news story in relation to a murder case...I might remember them! I would not be surprised if the woman isn't afraid to come forward since this perp is still out there tho. She would know that he did go back to the second victim's home a month after he raped her and then he killed Brianna.

It has been pointed out so very specifically here that Law Enforcement does not, cannot, and will not be responsible for the "public's safety" so why would she expect to be protected from him? She wouldn't. She would be scared to death to come forward knowing it was up to her own self to fend this rapist off. I know I wouldn't come forward, if it were me and he knew where I lived!! Too much at risk until they find him.

[JDB]

Not at all.

wHAT NOT BEING QUESTIONED YET????:crazy:

[10EC_Dad]

Thanks for checking on the validity of asking for DNA. The only issue becomes afterwards when the legal fight starts of what happens to such DNA collected in the operations.

Yes, a thong I might not wear a lot could be missing and I might not be aware of it. However, I think if they showed up on every national news story in relation to a murder case...I might remember them! I would not be surprised if the woman isn't afraid to come forward since this perp is still out there tho. She would know that he did go back to the second victim's home a month after he raped her and then he killed Brianna.

It has been pointed out so very specifically here that Law Enforcement does not, cannot, and will not be responsible for the "public's safety" so why would she expect to be protected from him? She wouldn't. She would be scared to death to come forward knowing it was up to her own self to fend this rapist off. I know I wouldn't come forward, if it were me and he knew where I lived!! Too much at risk until they find him.

I would agree that you have repeatedly said that LE is not doing their job.

I appreciate your honesty that you would not cooperate with LE to capture this monster.

[10EC_Dad]

maybe he was non english speaking?

Good suggestion.

[rmf]

Does anyone know when spring break for the colleges in Reno takes place this year? I would imagine it will be happening soon. I wonder if he'll strike again during that time.

10EC I'd be interested in your opinion also about my post in the Profile thread.

[adnoid]

wHAT NOT BEING QUESTIONED YET????:crazy:

The day's not over yet!

[Rick777]

Bobby Cutts gets no death penalty.

[adnoid]

Does anyone know when spring break for the colleges in Reno takes place this year?...

UNR Academic Calender (http://www.ss.unr.edu/records/cal.asp)

[murdershewrote]

this is a long shot, bu