Possible Matches - Post Possible Matches Here

[RKnowley]

Please post your possible matches for Princess Blue on this thread.

If anyone decides you want to do research on any of the possible matches listed on this thread, please check the "Eliminated" thread below to see if that person has already been eliminated. That way you wouldn't have spent your valuable time researching someone who had already been ruled out.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=61909

[RKnowley]

We still need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If it is, we can rule her out.

9/23/2008 I added side by side comparisons

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 7/16/2003
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Name: Michelle Doherty Thomas
Case Number: M9311003
Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
Last Seen in: Alta Loma (Galveston County)
Last Seen on: 10/5/1985
Height: 5' 2 "
Weight: 85 lbs.
Age Missing: 17
Eye Color: Green
Hair Color: Brown
Date of Birth: 11/16/1967
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Michelle was last seen wearing a black Harley Davidson tank top, blue jeans, tennis shoes and carrying a beige purse. She has very prominent freckles.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M7/16/20033:15:37PM'

[RKnowley]

We still need to find out if Angela's DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 9/29/2005
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Name: Angela F. Phillips
Case Number: M0509007
Case Type: Endangered
Last Seen in: Houston (Harris County)
Last Seen on: 9/18/1986
Height: 5' 4 "
Weight: 120 lbs.
Age Missing: 20
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Black
Date of Birth: 12/23/1965
Race: Black
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Phillips was last seen riding a bike on Calhoun Street.

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 10/15/2001
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Name: Anna Jovita Mallari
Case Number: M8903009
Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
Last Seen in: El Paso (El Paso County)
Last Seen on: 12/1/1988
Height: 5' 0 "
Weight: 115 lbs.
Age Missing: 24
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Black
Date of Birth: 10/5/1964
Race: Other
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Mallari has a c-section scar on her abdomen. She was reported missing by her employer when she did not show up for work.

ETA: She is Asian (Filipina) according to her Charley Project Page here: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mallari_anna.html

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 10/1/2001
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Name: Maria Trinidad Velasquez
Case Number: M9603002
Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
Last Seen in: Houston (Harris County)
Last Seen on: 6/8/1986
Height: 5' 3 "
Weight: 130 lbs.
Age Missing: 29
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Black
Date of Birth: 9/23/1956
Race: Hispanic
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Velasquez has burn scars on the front of both thighs. She left her home to go to the store and never returned.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M10/1/200112:22:00PM'

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 10/12/2001
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Name: Rebecca Jean Beard
AKA: Rebecca Lemke Beard, Becky Lemke
Case Number: M8607004
Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
Last Seen in: Freeport (Brazoria County)
Last Seen on: 3/1/1986
Height: 5' 5 "
Weight: 120 lbs.
Age Missing: 22
Eye Color: Hazel
Hair Color: Blonde
Date of Birth: 2/15/1964
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Beard has a one inch scar on the side of her face. She was last seen at the Excaliber Club. She was wearing blue stirrup pants, a long white silk blouse with a red triangle, spike heels and carrying a small yellow purse.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M10/12/20013:52:37PM'

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

The Doe Network:
Case File 487DFWA

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Misty Michelle Mock
Missing since June 1, 1989 from Tacoma, Pierce County, Washington.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: August 28, 1966
Age at Time of Disappearance: 22 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'0"; 115-130 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown wavy hair; blue eyes.
Marks, Scars: She has a small scar on the back of one knee. Pierced ears, small pox mark near tip of nose.
Dentals: Available. Chipped front tooth, 13 fillings in teeth.
Medical Conditions: Possibly 5 months pregnant
Other: She was a heavy drug user, and drinker and smoked cigarettes.

Circumstances of Disappearance
The last contact with Mock was in southern Georgia, where she was last seen being arrested. She lead a transient lifestyle. Since then there has been no trace of Misty, who according to one police officer, was about five months pregnant at the time of her arrest.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Tacoma Police Department
253-591-5935
Agency Case Number: 90-0390294
NCIC Number: M-494455081
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
Misty Missing Page (http://www.geocities.com/penguinchick1963/penguinpage.html?1048571153750)
National Center for Missing Adults (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502743S)


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/487dfwa.html

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 5/31/2002
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Name: Kathleen Murphy
AKA: Mary Kathleen Murphy
Case Number: M8911006
Case Type: Involuntary
Last Seen in: Fort Worth (Tarrant County)
Last Seen on: 3/7/1976
Height: 5' 3 "
Weight: 122 lbs.
Age Missing: 20
Eye Color: Blue
Hair Color: Blonde
Date of Birth: 3/31/1955
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Murphy has a two inch scar on her left cheek, a skin graft scar on her leg, a skin graft scar in her left arm pit, an appendix scar, and a butterfly tattoo on her abdomen. At the time of her disappearance, she had naturally dark brown hair that had been bleached blonde. She was last seen wearing a rabbit fur jacket and Calvin Klein jeans. Ms. Murphy closed up the bar where she was working, leaving her purse behind.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M5/31/20022:29:14PM'

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 12/12/2006
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Name: Debra Kay Stewart
Case Number: M0612010
Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
Last Seen in: Austin (Travis County)
Last Seen on: 5/21/1976
Height: 5' 1 "
Weight: 130 lbs.
Age Missing: 19
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Black
Date of Birth: 9/5/1956
Race: Black
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Stewart has a scar on one breast. She was last seen wearing blue patchwork jeans, a blue long sleeved blouse with white stitching, a blue bandana, a wide belt and brown shoes. Her vehicle was recovered in Austin.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M12/12/20061:51:41PM'

[RKnowley]

Even though the website lists that Paulette's DNA is available, we still need to verify with the proper LE that it actually is in CODIS.
The Doe Network:
Case File 108DFMI

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Top: Jaster, circa early years -1979
Bottom: Right: Age progression by Sgt Mark Krebs Left & Center: Age progression to age 52

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Paulette Susan Jaster
Missing since May 5, 1979 from Davison, Genesee County, Michigan.
Classification: Endangered Missing




Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: January 9, 1954
Age at Time of Disappearance: 25 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 115 lbs.
Distingishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes. Slender to medium build.
Dentals: Available
Marks, Scars: Scar on crown of head, gray mark from pencil lead embedded on left cheekbone below eye.
Medical Conditions: Jaster occasionally suffered from periods with mental illness.
Clothing: She was wearing blue jeans and was carrying an army-style duffelbag. She also wore a ring with a turquise stone and a silver ring with a stone of unknown color.
AKA: Paula Johnson,Paula Breck, Paulette Breck, Paula Lynn Sweet
DNA: Available


Circumstances of Disappearance
Jaster was last seen in Davison, Michigan sometime in May of 1979. She left Michigan and was last seen headed toward Highway 69. She was sighted in Mesa, AZ during 1980.

She worked at WAG's Restaurant (in Walgreen's) and Paul Perry's Smorgee Table early in 1980, both in Mesa, Arizona. It is believed that she may have been traveling to Florida. Jaster was known to have bouts with mental illness, and is very creative and artistic, loves unusual jewelry, animals and anything "natural". Jaster has never been seen or heard from again.
A cursory search of Social Security databases showed no evidence of Jaster or any of her known aliases in recent years.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning Jaster, please contact:
Michigan State Police
Flint Post
810-732-1111
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
NCIC Number:
M-320682217
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information: NCMA (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300620W)
Michigan Does (http://michigandoes.com/MP/PauletteJaster.html)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/108dfmi.html

[RKnowley]

Though some websites list the Carol Sue's DNA is in CODIS we still need to check with the proper LE to verify this.


Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 7/9/2003
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Additional Pictures
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Date Picture Updated: 11/18/2003

Photo is age progressed to 42<

Name: Carol Sue Snyder
Case Number: M9101001
Case Type: Involuntary
Last Seen in: Richardson (Dallas County)
Last Seen on: 6/16/1982
Height: 5' 01"
Weight: 180 lbs.
Age Missing: 21
Eye Color: Hazel
Hair Color: Brown
Date of Birth: 5/18/1961
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Snyder was suffering from depression when she disppeared and it is possible she may have travelled to Cordell, Oklahoma.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M7/9/20033:32:59PM'

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 10/5/2001
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Name: Ashley Fuller Reed
AKA: Ash
Case Number: M9001008
Case Type: Endangered - Foul Play Possible
Last Seen in: Garland (Dallas County)
Last Seen on: 1/15/1990
Height: 5' 2 "
Weight: 115 lbs.
Age Missing: 19
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Brown
Date of Birth: 11/6/1970
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Ms. Reed has pierced ears and a small, brown mole on her lower left cheek. Ms. Reed was last seen at the International House of Pancakes where she was meeting a new male acquaintance. She was wearing a stonewashed blue denim skirt, a black long-sleeved top, a brown waist-length bomber jacket, a Guess brand watch, two gold rings and gold hoop earrings. Ms. Reed’s vehicle was later found abandoned on a freeway exit/entrance ramp in route to her home.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M10/4/20012:54:30PM'

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out. Sondra's dentals are available.

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 10/11/2001
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Additional Pictures
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Date Picture Updated: 11/5/2004

Photo is shown age progressed<

Name: Sondra Kay Ramber
Case Number: M9101011
Case Type: Involuntary - Non-Family Abduction
Last Seen in: Santa Fe (Galveston County)
Last Seen on: 10/26/1983
Height: 5' 5 "
Weight: 123 lbs.
Age Missing: 14
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Brown
Date of Birth: 1/2/1969
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Texas
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Unknown
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M10/11/200110:54:13AM'

[RKnowley]

Need to find out if her DNA is in CODIS. If so, we can rule her out.

Sable (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/member.php?u=10905) http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 308
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Possible?
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/983dfca.html

The Doe Network:
Case File 983DFCA

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Mancia, circa 1988
Mirian Mancia
Missing since May 12, 1988 from Los Angeles, Los Angeles County, California
Classification: Endangered Missing




Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: February 27, 1959
Age at Time of Disappearance: 29 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'3"; 110 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Black hair; brown eyes.
Dentals: Not available
AKA: Mirian Elizabeth Barahona



Circumstances of Disappearance
Mancia was last seen May 12, 1988 in Los Angeles, CA. Foul play is suspected.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Los Angeles Police Department
213-485-5381
You may remain anonymous if you wish when submitting tips.
Agency Number: 8804-12176
NCIC Number: M-303538520
Please refer to these numbers when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
Source Information:
California Department of Justice (http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=2748814910854)

[teonspaleprincess]

Would you like for me to start calling and verifying if DNA is in CODIS for these girls?

[RKnowley]

It would be great if you could! If you are up for it. :) Thank you.

Would you like for me to start calling and verifying if DNA is in CODIS for these girls?

[teonspaleprincess]

It would be great if you could! If you are up for it. :) Thank you.
I am. I will start tomorrow and post them as I call.:blowkiss:

[LionRun]

Since dentals are often simpler and faster when comparing the missing with UID's, perhaps we should ask if Ginger has dentals on file as well. Teons, do you mind asking both questions? Hey, thanks again for starting our very first thread:blowkiss:.

Lion

[RKnowley]

Fantastic Teons! Thank you SO much! :blowkiss:

I am. I will start tomorrow and post them as I call.:blowkiss:

[RKnowley]

Lion,
If their DNA is already in CODIS it would have already been compared against Princess Blue's wouldn't it? So, if we do find out that any of the possibles already have their DNA is CODIS, wouldn't that rule them out already?

Since dentals are often simpler and faster when comparing the missing with UID's, perhaps we should ask if Ginger has dentals on file as well. Teons, do you mind asking both questions? Hey, thanks again for starting our very first thread:blowkiss:.

Lion

[teonspaleprincess]

Just to let you know, I got a late start on calling, but I am doing it now.

[RKnowley]

:blowkiss: Thank you so much!

Just to let you know, I got a late start on calling, but I am doing it now.

[Lanie]

Just to let you know, I got a late start on calling, but I am doing it now.

Let me know if you have trouble. I have a Texas ranger contact, (family) I might be able to give him the list and have him check them all out. I don't feel like I have done much of anything here, and would be more than happy to at least give it a try.
Lanie

[RKnowley]

Hi there Lanie! It would be great if you could ask your Texas Ranger family member to check and see if these ladies DNA is in CODIS. Maybe you could check with Teons to see if she has had the chance to check out any of the possible matches. That way we wouldn't be duplicating the work she has done already.

Thank you for the offer! It's at least worth a shot. :blowkiss:
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Let me know if you have trouble. I have a Texas ranger contact, (family) I might be able to give him the list and have him check them all out. I don't feel like I have done much of anything here, and would be more than happy to at least give it a try.
Lanie

[teonspaleprincess]

Sorry that it has taken me so long to post. My sister and her kids are having to live with me for a while and my son has tonsilitis and has been really sick.

The lady I spoke with said that everyone of the ladies with DNA available are in CODIS. And if they are in CODIS, they have been compared with the unidentifieds in CODIS.

[RKnowley]

What we really want to do is to make sure the DNA is available. On some of the websites for these possibles they list that DNA is available. What we don't know is if the information on those websites is correct and that DNA is actually available. We need to verify if what it says on the websites is actually correct.

[teonspaleprincess]

I will call again tomorrow and go through the list with them and make sure that all of the ladies have DNA in CODIS. They said they are more than willing to help.

[RKnowley]

Who was it you called that said they are more than willing to help with putting this together?

I will call again tomorrow and go through the list with them and make sure that all of the ladies have DNA in CODIS. They said they are more than willing to help.

[teonspaleprincess]

I didn't get the ladys name. She answered the phone when I called and explained what we were doing and what information we were looking for. I have been really busy, but I called again just now and they said that I needed to call abck tomorrow.

[teonspaleprincess]

Okay, I don't what is going on. Today when I called, a younger sounding girl answered and she would not give me anything. She said that all information pertaining to the case (I started with Michelle Thomas) was private and that unless I was LE she could not share any info with me. I am going to call back later and see if I get the same person or ask if I can speak to the detective in charge.

[RKnowley]

I think it is safe to rule out Paulette Jaster as being Princess Blue. The website does say that her DNA is available and also this article mentions that Paulette's parents both submitted DNA and it is filed in the nationwide FBI database. 1 down, 18 to go, lol


Sperlich said DNA from her mother and father, both of whom have died, has been collected and filed as part of a nationwide FBI database to aid in identifying Jaster.


http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/newsnow/2008/02/davison_family_still_searches.html

Paulette Susan JASTER

The Doe Network:
Case File 108DFMI

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Top: Jaster, circa early years -1979
Bottom: Right: Age progression by Sgt Mark Krebs Left & Center: Age progression to age 52
Paulette Susan Jaster
Missing since May 5, 1979 from Davison, Genesee County, Michigan.
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: January 9, 1954
Age at Time of Disappearance: 25 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 115 lbs.
Distingishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; hazel eyes. Slender to medium build.
Dentals: Available
Marks, Scars: Scar on crown of head, gray mark from pencil lead embedded on left cheekbone below eye.
Medical Conditions: Jaster occasionally suffered from periods with mental illness.
Clothing: She was wearing blue jeans and was carrying an army-style duffelbag. She also wore a ring with a turquise stone and a silver ring with a stone of unknown color.
AKA: Paula Johnson,Paula Breck, Paulette Breck, Paula Lynn Sweet
DNA: Available
Circumstances of Disappearance
Jaster was last seen in Davison, Michigan sometime in May of 1979. She left Michigan and was last seen headed toward Highway 69. She was sighted in Mesa, AZ during 1980.

She worked at WAG's Restaurant (in Walgreen's) and Paul Perry's Smorgee Table early in 1980, both in Mesa, Arizona. It is believed that she may have been traveling to Florida. Jaster was known to have bouts with mental illness, and is very creative and artistic, loves unusual jewelry, animals and anything "natural". Jaster has never been seen or heard from again.
A cursory search of Social Security databases showed no evidence of Jaster or any of her known aliases in recent years.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning Jaster, please contact:
Michigan State Police
Flint Post
810-732-1111
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
NCIC Number:
M-320682217
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information: NCMA (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300620W)
Michigan Does (http://michigandoes.com/MP/PauletteJaster.html)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/108dfmi.html

[sloane]

Okay, I don't what is going on. Today when I called, a younger sounding girl answered and she would not give me anything. She said that all information pertaining to the case (I started with Michelle Thomas) was private and that unless I was LE she could not share any info with me. I am going to call back later and see if I get the same person or ask if I can speak to the detective in charge.

Hi teons!
Can you please tell us who you are calling? Is it the TX Missing Persons' Clearinghouse or are you contacting the individual LE involved for each missing woman?
Thanks, sloane

[RKnowley]

I, myself, tried calling the Texas Missing Person's Clearinghouse. They would not give me the information and told me I had to contact the individual LE involved in the case. The thing is for many of these girls the TXDPS is listed as the contact information.

This is the list I put together for whom should be contacted:

DNA & Dentals Available??
(512)424-5074
Helpline: (800)346-3243
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AUSTIN, TX
Jennifer Joyce Barton
Case #M9811002
Investigative Case #: 76-1424808
DNA:
Dentals:
Austin (Travis County)
Austin Police Department
512-974-5250
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GALVESTON, TX
Michelle Doherty Thomas
Case # M9311003
DNA:
Dentals:
Galveston County Sheriff's Department
409-766-2300
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TXDPS
Suzanne Rene Richerson
Case #A8810011
DNA:
Dentals:
Investigating Agency
Galveston County Sheriff's Department
409-766-2300
OR
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
Investigative Agency: Texas Department of Public Safety
Phone: (512) 424-2811
NCIC #: M-325411818
***
Angela F Phillips
Case # M0509007
DNA:
Dentals:
24-Hour Missing Persons Desk
713-731-5223
OR
Texas Department of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Anna Jovita Mallari
Case # M8903009
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Shelley Kathleen Sikes
Case #M8606005
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Maria Trinidad Velasquez
Case #M9603002
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Elizabeth Ann Pfeifer
Case #M8611001
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Rebecca Jean Beard
Case # M8607004
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
ORANGE COUNTY, CA or TXDPS
Linda Rose Grimm
Case #M9602005
DNA:
Dentals:
Orange County Sheriff's Department
Investigative Case #: 88-038162
NCIC #: M-582064255
714-647-7000
OR
714-647-7052
OR
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243

***
Kathleen Murphy
Case # M8911006
DNA:
Dentals:
Fort Worth Police Department
817-922-3212
OR
Texas Department of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Debra Kay Stewart
Case #M0612010
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Wanda Lee Ann Priddy
Case #M8604005
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
GARLAND, TX or TXDPS
Carol Sue Snyder
Case #M9101001
DNA:
Dentals:
Garland Police Department
972-485-4873
OR
Texas Department of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
DALLAS, TX or TXDPS
Ashley Fuller Reed
Case #M9001008
DNA:
Dentals:
Dallas Police Department
214-670-5146
OR
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
SANTA FE, TX or TXDPS
Sondra Kay Ramber
Case #M9101011
DNA:
Dentals:
Santa Fe Police Department
409-925-8901
OR
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
HOUSTON, TX or TXDPS
Lorraine Migl Light
Case #M9001002
DNA:
Dentals:
Harris County Sheriff's Office
713-755-6042
OR
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
Ginger Anne Sutherland
Case #M8906002
DNA:
Dentals:
Texas Department of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***
ABILENE, TX or TXDPS
Dorothy Jean Richardson
Case #M8605002
DNA:
Dentals:
Abilene Police Department
915-673-8331
OR
Abilene CrimeStoppers
915-676-TIPS
OR
800-868-8477
OR
Texas Department Of Public Safety
800-346-3243
***

[teonspaleprincess]

Hi teons!
Can you please tell us who you are calling? Is it the TX Missing Persons' Clearinghouse or are you contacting the individual LE involved for each missing woman?
Thanks, sloane

Like RK said before I got to it, I was calling whatever was listed on the page, which mostly is the TX Missing Persons' Clearinghouse.

[fmw63]

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/391dfwa.html

[RKnowley]

Welcome to WS fmw!

She does seem to fit Princess Blue's profile. I wonder if there is a way to find out if she had any ties to Houston, TX? Also, it says her DNA is available. If it actually is available and is in CODIS I would think that her DNA would have been compared to Princess Blue's already and no match was found for Princess Blue. Is there any way you could call and find out if this lady's DNA is truly in CODIS?

I also want to add that no opiates were found in Princess Blue's marrow. I noticed that it said Patricia had been a drug user at some point in her life.
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http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/391dfwa.html

[fmw63]

...sent another email to King's County Sheriff's office....still waiting:banghead:

[fmw63]

The reply is in!

"Both agencies receive and review the information on possible matches. I cannot release any details outside of law enforcement regarding the investigation, but appreciate receiving tips. Thank you for your interest."

:mad:

[RKnowley]

Texas Missing Persons Clearinghouse Online Bulletin

Missing Person Details

Date Picture Updated: 8/16/2002
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch_images/final/M0208008.jpg http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa243/RKnowley/u0310014a.jpg
Name: Dorothy Mildred Clitheroe
Case Number: M0208008
Case Type: Endangered
Last Seen in: Phoenix (Maricopa County)
Last Seen on: 9/20/1973
Height: 5' 3 "
Weight: 130 lbs.
Age Missing: 14
Eye Color: Brown
Hair Color: Brown
Date of Birth: 8/6/1959
Race: White
Sex: Female
State Missing From: Arizona
Country Missing From: USA
Circumstances: Dorothy wears thick oval glasses which become dark in the sunlight, she has pierced ears and a burn scar on one of her arms. She was last seen wearing a white tank top with a tear-drop design and bell-bottom blue jeans with blue and white dotted material sewn in to make the pants wider at the bottom. Dorothy may have traveled to Portland, Oregon or Houston, Texas.
Additional Pictures
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch_images/final/M020808a.jpg
Date Picture Updated: 8/16/2002


You can contact the Missing Persons Clearinghouse at :
Missing Persons Clearinghouse
Texas Department of Public Safety
P O Box 4087
Austin, Texas 78773-0422
Phone: (512) 424-5074
Helpline: (800) 346-3243

[RKnowley]

I wanted to add Dorothy (above) as a possible match to Princess Blue. I know she was last seen in 1973...she could have headed to Houston, Texas and was killed at a later date. Maybe she had friends or family in Houston or had lived in Houston at sometime before living in AZ. What are your thoughts on this??

ETA: Dorothy's doenetwork page says her DNA is in CODIS. If it actually is, then she would have already been compared to Princess Blue & we could rule her out.

[Jaded]

Question: Is the TX Dept of Public Safety who is being called and why wouldn't they be able to tell us exactly what persons on their site have been ruled out as being Princess Blue? I don't think that would jeopardize any investigations and with that info it would prevent doing more work. Hope that made sense, it's late. LOL

[RKnowley]

Yes, it is the TXDPS that is being called. We were trying to find out if the missing girls DNA and dentals were available. It would be nice to know which ones were in case we came across other UID's that could be a match for any of these missing girls. We would then know which girls we could exclude from being that UID if we knew their DNA & the UID's DNA was already in CODIS.

Question: Is the TX Dept of Public Safety who is being called and why wouldn't they be able to tell us exactly what persons on their site have been ruled out as being Princess Blue? I don't think that would jeopardize any investigations and with that info it would prevent doing more work. Hope that made sense, it's late. LOL

[Jaded]

Yes, it is the TXDPS that is being called. We were trying to find out if the missing girls DNA and dentals were available. It would be nice to know which ones were in case we came across other UID's that could be a match for any of these missing girls. We would then know which girls we could exclude from being that UID if we knew their DNA & the UID's DNA was already in CODIS.

I'm trying to remember who I spoke with long ago about her - and I may even have an old email addy - I'll try to shoot off an email and inquire. I wonder if this is something that Coffman could help us with?

[Debbie Miller]

I wouldn't exclude or rule out any possible matches just because there is DNA in codis for the missing person. It is my understanding that you have to compare the sample in question against the one you are trying to match for the most accuracy.

As far as getting info on DNA samples being conducted on the missing persons and the LE releasing that info, I have run into problems in Pa. with the state police. They report that they can't release the info unless you are LE or the like. I don't think they realize we are not asking for the sample to be sent to us, we just want the knowledge if it is available for comparison if a possible match came to be.

One way to maybe obtain this info is call the LE for the missing and submit Princess Blue as a possible match. Sometimes they will ask you if the possible match you are submitting has dna or dentals to compare or you can offer that Princess Blue has both and see what info they tell you.

I have had this happen in the past.

Also, it would be better if you could contact the LE agency for the missing for your info since the public safety department is uncooperative.


Just a FYI

[RKnowley]

Hi Debbie. Good to see you here! Thank you for your post & input.

This is an email I sent to the TXDPS asking if a missing person's DNA is already in CODIS are they automatically compared to UID's in the system... Their reply is below:

From:
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:50 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Case Number U0401002

I appreciate your help very much. Let me ask you this question..I believe I may have been wrong in assuming this...If a mising persons DNA is in CODIS, is it automatically compared to UID's that also have their DNA in CODIS? I thought that it was, but, now I am beginning to think that one would have to request that a certain missing person be compared to a certain UID?

Thank you again,


Here is their reply:

It is automotically cross matched from the Missing to the Unidentified DNA Database at the UNT (DNA Identity Lab at the University of North Texas), forwarded to the state level (Texas DPS) once a week for any possible matches and then uploaded once a month to CoDIS (national level) for any possible matches.

Anytime a new DNA sample is submitted and entered into the DNA database it automatically checks the other database for any possible matches.

So no you do not have to request the DNA comparison on any of the cases that have DNA already in the system because if there is a hit the reporting agency and our agency will be notified.

We have not been notified of any DNA hits on this case but since these possible matches to this case have been submitted I will request a DNA comparison. Once I receive the results I will update the case file so that if another request is made in the future we will know if it was ruled out or not.

[Debbie Miller]

There seems to be a hang up with the system I guess. I notice alot of profiles for missing and unidentified list dna available. So we believe it to be in the codis system. To further look at this I was browsing the Namus site and notice alot of the cases say "dna sample taken, not yet entered"

I know of one case in particular where DNA was taken from the family of a missing person in 2006, and never entered. A possible match was submitted against an unidentified person and it turns out a positive match thru dentals.

I really wish there was something that could be done to speed up entering all the samples.

[RKnowley]

I just wanted to note here that we are awaiting on the results of DNA comparisions between Princess Blue and the following ladies:

Rebecca Jean Beard
Anna Jovita Mallari
Kathleen Murphy
Angela F. Phillips
Sondra Kay Ramber
Ashley Fuller Reed
Debra Kay Stewart
Michelle Doherty Thomas
Maria Trinidad Velasquez

[passionategray]

These people that are listed here... do we know anything about their relatives? I believe that the class ring was given to Princess Blue. I don't think it was her's due to the upsizing that happened on the ring. So if her mother or aunt or older sister gave it to her, then we should see if the family of any of these missing persons graduated from Robert E. Lee HS in 1975.

I know it's a stretch but if the connection is there, it would be awesome.

[RKnowley]

I've done a little research on the families of the missing ladies who are listed. I haven't ran into any family members (so far) of theirs who has the same last name as one of the Robert E Lee (Houston) 1974 (Juniors) or 1975 Seniors.