Warren Jeffs FLDS compound in Texas surrounded by police

[Pepper]

FDLS consider themselves the true Mormons and the LDS as not so true Mormons because they say they are not following the rules that the religion is based on. The LDS put aside some of those laws to gain Statehood.

But the FDLS also don't follow most of the laws such as Missionary work, Baptism for the dead or feeding the poor. They can't say they've been following such laws when they are hiding from the world. Then it all comes to light when someone leaves and they find the rules they had were different than LDS. It's all become perverted and twisted.

I do think these 'prophets' have a g-d complex and it's scary how much this reminds me of the Jim Jones compound in the tactics they have been using.
Well that does make sense as one of their beliefs is that a man can become a god of another planet once he dies, if he has attained all the steps it takes for him to enter the celestial kingdom at its highest level.

[trixie]

Your perspective is very much appreciated, trixie. I have gotten that impression from news reports, clearly the LDS does not consider the FDLS to be members still of the LDS.
Do you know whether the FDLS themselves still consider themselves to be LDS? Thanks.

Yes that's what I said. SuzieQ must have me mixed up with somebody elses post.
I have no idea about what the FDLS thinks. Believe me I am no expert on either religion, I just have had the experience of being a Mormon and thought I'd share some opinions on it.

[SuziQ]

Maybe we can share a husband. Tomorrow's my 20th anniversary, my guy's o.k., I've survived to the big 20 with him. Interested? LOL :blowkiss:

You would still have to do his laundry.

[SuziQ]

Yes that's what I said. SuzieQ must have me mixed up with somebody elses post.
I have no idea about what the FDLS thinks. Believe me I am no expert on either religion, I just have had the experience of being a Mormon and thought I'd share some opinions on it.

You are correct, I did address someone elses post in yours. I should have made it in a different post. I apologize.

ETA:Actually I didn't address my post to anyone and I should have.

[golfmom]

Since Utah seems to be now in control of the financial assets of FLDS, (United Effort Plan) I think that they do bare a great deal of responsibility. Although it seems that they're having as much luck with the fund management as catching a greased pig.

[trixie]

You are correct, I did address someone elses post in yours. I should have made it in a different post. I apologize.

No problem! I thought something weird was going on!:)

[golfmom]

You would still have to do his laundry.

Oh, you are talking about my "girls" -- my brand new beautiful extra-large front loaders. Yeah, I do the laundry.

[SuziQ]

:blushing: No problem! I thought something weird was going on!:)

It's me. Unexpected dental surgery this morning, strong pain meds and posting probably don't mix! To start over, yes the church could do more but so can the community. And The Trib we'll have to agree to disagree on. lol. Whew, that took alot out of me.

ETA: In fact, I'm going to sheepishly sneak on over and delete that post because it no longer makes sense to me either!

[SuziQ]

Oh, you are talking about my "girls" -- my brand new beautiful extra-large front loaders. Yeah, I do the laundry.

You are no longer my sister, I've been wanting a pair of "girls" like that forever! lol.

[golfmom]

:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

There's supposed to be more than $100 MILLION dollars in the United Effort Plan which is a trust controlling the finances for FLDS.

[ShannonOhara]

So will these women at some point be free to go back if they want to?
Or if they want can they get help and protection and start life over, can the fathers try to get custody of the kids since some of the kids (who are moms) are so young.

Im so worried about these young girls, I wish I could do something to help.

[golfmom]

You are no longer my sister, I've been wanting a pair of "girls" like that forever! lol.

I know everyone will make fun of me, but that's what I wanted for our 20 year anniversary. My grandmother bought us our first washer and dryer when we got married, and I just retired them last week.

Every time someone comes over, I have to introduce them to my new girls!

[golfmom]

So will these women at some point be free to go back if they want to?
Or if they want can they get help and protection and start life over, can the fathers try to get custody of the kids since some of the kids (who are moms) are so young.

Im so worried about these young girls, I wish I could do something to help.

Shannon, I found link for donations:

Meisner said calls from around the country have poured into Texas with offers of donations and homes for those taken from the ranch. The state plans to make information about how to help available on its Web site,

www.dfps.state.tx.us.

[golfmom]

http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-09_news.asp

Latest News on Eldorado
News Brief: Wednesday, April 9, 2008

Today DFPS and other state agencies continue to care for and supervise 416 children who were removed from the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints compound near Eldorado and placed in state custody.

The Department of State health Services is overseeing all medical and mental health services for the children.

* DSHS is performing on-site health screenings and it appears the children are generally in good health.

* There have been a typical number of minor upper respiratory and mild gastrointestinal ailments for a group of this size.

* About a dozen children have what appears to be chicken pox, which they contracted prior to coming into state custody. It takes 14-16 days for the virus to manifest itself. Chicken pox is usually a benign childhood disease and none of the children is seriously ill. These children and their families were relocated to another building to separate them from the other children. It is believed the children in the shelters have not been immunized, but some may have natural immunity from having contracted chicken-pox in the past.

* The children appear to be in good mental health and are adapting as well as can be expected.

* 25 mental health professionals are on hand, along with four doctors and ten nurses. 14 more doctors and medical assistants are arriving soon.

[SuziQ]

Every time someone comes over, I have to introduce them to my new girls!

I can completely relate.

100 Million could do alot of good. Utah is supposed to be giving houses to FLDS members, the ones that were denyed ownership. I wonder how that is going?

[philamena]

This post is incredibly out of line, IMO. I think you should take a deep breath and try to read Glow's previous posts without letting emotion come into play. Just because she looks at the situation from a different angle than you, certainly doesn't mean that she cares so little. What an awful thing to imply, especially when Glow has repeatedly attempted to explain her opinion in a polite and respectful manner.

Talking to Glow and not MasterJ.:rolleyes:
I've reread this thread several times. I think I have a good idea what Glow's concerns are.
I doubt I was the first person to think what I posted.

[golfmom]

100 Million could do alot of good. Utah is supposed to be giving houses to FLDS members, the ones that were denyed ownership. I wonder how that is going?

Sounds like a minefield of drama and lawsuits ... evictions, taxes, fees, and whining.

[SuziQ]

Sounds like a minefield of drama and lawsuits ... evictions, taxes, fees, and whining.

For starters....


******

Heck guys, I'm going to bail out for a bit. It's been a long strange day for me. Catch you all later.

[mysteriew]

http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-09_news.asp

Latest News on Eldorado
News Brief: Wednesday, April 9, 2008

Today DFPS and other state agencies continue to care for and supervise 416 children who were removed from the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints compound near Eldorado and placed in state custody.

The Department of State health Services is overseeing all medical and mental health services for the children.

* DSHS is performing on-site health screenings and it appears the children are generally in good health.

* There have been a typical number of minor upper respiratory and mild gastrointestinal ailments for a group of this size.

* About a dozen children have what appears to be chicken pox, which they contracted prior to coming into state custody. It takes 14-16 days for the virus to manifest itself. Chicken pox is usually a benign childhood disease and none of the children is seriously ill. These children and their families were relocated to another building to separate them from the other children. It is believed the children in the shelters have not been immunized, but some may have natural immunity from having contracted chicken-pox in the past.

* The children appear to be in good mental health and are adapting as well as can be expected.

* 25 mental health professionals are on hand, along with four doctors and ten nurses. 14 more doctors and medical assistants are arriving soon.

Of all the times to do this, when there are kids coming down with chicken pox is the worst! They have separated the kids now, but who knows how many have been exposed before they came into custody or how many were inadvertantly exposed in all of the confusion. If the whole group ends up quarantined due to chicken pox, they will all be thinking this was some kind of retribution for associating with outsiders.

[BhamMama]

Well that does make sense as one of their beliefs is that a man can become a god of another planet once he dies, if he has attained all the steps it takes for him to enter the celestial kingdom at its highest level.


Well I was talking about the leaders of the cults/sects not mainstream LDS. That belief doesn't really mean they have a g-d complex. They don't think they are g-ds on earth like the prophets do. Most also don't claim that G-d speaks to them directly with rules to govern a whole clan by. Nor do they take matters into their own hands and commit crimes in the name of G-d because they think they are exempt from a holy ruling, or more distasteful, on equal footing with G-d.

But even if they believe they will be g-ds (notice I didn't say the G-d or even a G-d, but a g-d, no one I know is claiming to be either of those first two.) it's no more strange to me than other religions claiming they will be angels or that they can come back to live again as a different human or animal. Of course the only way to find out who is right is a path I'm not willing to take at this time lol

[Truly]

:blushing:

It's me. Unexpected dental surgery this morning, strong pain meds and posting probably don't mix! To start over, yes the church could do more but so can the community. And The Trib we'll have to agree to disagree on. lol. Whew, that took alot out of me.

ETA: In fact, I'm going to sheepishly sneak on over and delete that post because it no longer makes sense to me either!

Aw, trixie, it was me. Any time someone says the word 'truly' or 'seriously', I think for a sec that they are addressing me or SeriouslySearching. In this instance, SuziQ was actually addressing me with a quip from Abbott and Costello's comedy skit, 'Who's on First?' I think we have eclipsed the original for pure comedic confusion, so I, too, will bow out...now that the bases are loaded.:D

[Truly]

FDLS consider themselves the true Mormons and the LDS as not so true Mormons because they say they are not following the rules that the religion is based on. The LDS put aside some of those laws to gain Statehood.

But the FDLS also don't follow most of the laws such as Missionary work, Baptism for the dead or feeding the poor. They can't say they've been following such laws when they are hiding from the world. Then it all comes to light when someone leaves and they find the rules they had were different than LDS. It's all become perverted and twisted.

I do think these 'prophets' have a g-d complex and it's scary how much this reminds me of the Jim Jones compound in the tactics they have been using.

Thank you. It is quite convoluded. Jonestown sprung to my mind as well.

[Masterj]

Talking to Glow and not MasterJ.:rolleyes:
I've reread this thread several times. I think I have a good idea what Glow's concerns are.
I doubt I was the first person to think what I posted.

Perhaps if you are "talking to Glow and not Masterj" you should PM her rather than post it on a public board where if I am not mistaken, we are all allowed to voice our opinions. ;)

[Truly]

Well that does make sense as one of their beliefs is that a man can become a god of another planet once he dies, if he has attained all the steps it takes for him to enter the celestial kingdom at its highest level.

Is this an actual belief? Of LDS or FDLS? A man can die and become a god of another planet? Do women become goddesses of other planets?

Wow, I'm glad I am happy right here on this lil' old planet. I had no idea that entire religions have such beliefs. I am not knocking any beliefs, it is just such a revelation to me. Maybe revelation isn't the right word...

[Leila]

FDLS consider themselves the true Mormons and the LDS as not so true Mormons because they say they are not following the rules that the religion is based on. The LDS put aside some of those laws to gain Statehood.

But the FDLS also don't follow most of the laws such as Missionary work, Baptism for the dead or feeding the poor. They can't say they've been following such laws when they are hiding from the world. Then it all comes to light when someone leaves and they find the rules they had were different than LDS. It's all become perverted and twisted.

I do think these 'prophets' have a g-d complex and it's scary how much this reminds me of the Jim Jones compound in the tactics they have been using.

It would appear that the FLDS picked and choosed which rules to follow. In regard to polygamy, Joseph Smith founded the religion in upstate NY in 1820. The LDS - Mormons were forced to leave NY (ask me how I know this :)) and moved to Nauvoo, Illinois. It was while there in Illinois that Joseph Smith began the practice of polygamy about 1840. The LDS abolished polygamy in 1890 to become a state. So, in reality, polygamy was not a long-held rule of the religion, having been followed for only 50 years - for one or two generations.

Record keeping and genealogy are important aspects of the LDS. They keep meticulous records of births, baptisms, marriages, deaths, and have amassed the largest genealogical library in the world. LDS members are encouraged to research and record their genealogy, and participate in proxy baptism.

Yet, it would appear that the FLDS has chosen only polygamy as a rule to follow. They apparently don't keep accurate records, because many of the children that were removed from the Texas compound don't even know who their parents are, or where they were born. According to Flora Jessop, one of those who escaped, when children are born into a family where there's 6 or 7 mothers, they are raised by all the mothers and don't really know which one is their biological mother.

Can anyone here imagine being 11, 12, or 13 years old, and not knowing who your mother is?

[Leila]

OMG................I forgot about Nancy Grace, but caught the last 20 minutes. She evidently devoted most of her program to this subject. She said that law enforcement has evidence to support what the 16-year-old said in her phone calls. Then, Nancy said one of the pieces of evidence police found was a "sex bed" (Nancy's words) in the temple. She said there's evidence that's where young girls were taken for sex!

[Masterj]

Philamena has a point. Glow has chosen to respond to specific individuals by dissecting their posts instead of responding in general to everyone. Glow has defended the idea that it is perfectly fine for old men to impregnate 13-14 year olds, stressing that it is a thousands-year-old tradition which ought to give us all that fuzzy chrismas feeling. She has defended slavery because it is in the bible. And she has joked about kids being raped by saying that the men just need to improve their bedside manner when they are molesting their children.

Well then I am off to do some back reading because I didn't read anything like that. I read several posts where she was questioning the legality of the search, etc. I'm off to read.

[Linda7NJ]

OMG................I forgot about Nancy Grace, but caught the last 20 minutes. She evidently devoted most of her program to this subject. She said that law enforcement has evidence to support what the 16-year-old said in her phone calls. Then, Nancy said one of the pieces of evidence police found was a "sex bed" (Nancy's words) in the temple. She said there's evidence that's where young girls were taken for sex!


THUD! I just fell off my chair! :furious:

[Pepper]

Is this an actual belief? Of LDS or FDLS? A man can die and become a god of another planet? Do women become goddesses of other planets?

Wow, I'm glad I am happy right here on this lil' old planet. I had no idea that entire religions have such beliefs. I am not knocking any beliefs, it is just such a revelation to me. Maybe revelation isn't the right word...

Here is one link. But you can google and find many.

http://www.mormondoctrine.net/articles/God_became_God.htm

Concerning women, nope. Women can only reach the celestial kingdom through her husband. Women have very few rights, and being a goddess isn't one of them!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

OMG................I forgot about Nancy Grace, but caught the last 20 minutes. She evidently devoted most of her program to this subject. She said that law enforcement has evidence to support what the 16-year-old said in her phone calls. Then, Nancy said one of the pieces of evidence police found was a "sex bed" (Nancy's words) in the temple. She said there's evidence that's where young girls were taken for sex!

Geez...that and rumors of sex toys used on the young girls, etc.

Nice "religion" they practice :furious: :furious: :furious:

[golfmom]

Here's a link with more info regarding the temple sex bed:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_8867994

[golfmom]

and another article: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/572931.html

ELDORADO — The temple inside a polygamous sect's outpost was used by husbands when they had sex for the first time with their new underage wives, according to an affidavit released Wednesday by Texas officials.

The search and arrest warrant affidavit said the temple at the YFZ Ranch “contains an area where there is a bed where males over the age of seventeen engage in sexual activity with female children under the age of seventeen.”

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for posting the links...I must admit...I am shocked. And that's something I am not usually!:eek:

[philamena]

Philamena has a point. Glow has chosen to respond to specific individuals by dissecting their posts instead of responding in general to everyone. Glow has defended the idea that it is perfectly fine for old men to impregnate 13-14 year olds, stressing that it is a thousands-year-old tradition which ought to give us all that fuzzy chrismas feeling. SNIP..........

Truly,
Thanks for explaining perhaps better than I did. ;)

[Vegas Bride]

On Nancy Grace tonight it was heartbreaking to hear about how the babies are basicly waterboarded to teach them not to cry! And how they are taken away from the mother and given to other females of the sect to raise so the mother can not have access to gather her children together to even try to escape. It is unbelievable that here in America in this day and age so many are living in pure hell and what is being done about it? Has there been anything at all in the news where the Mormon Church is speaking out about this or is it simply being ignored?

VB

[Ladybass0711]

On Nancy Grace tonight it was heartbreaking to hear about how the babies are basicly waterboarded to teach them not to cry! And how they are taken away from the mother and given to other females of the sect to raise so the mother can not have access to gather her children together to even try to escape. It is unbelievable that here in America in this day and age so many are living in pure hell and what is being done about it? Has there been anything at all in the news where the Mormon Church is speaking out about this or is it simply being ignored?

VB

Thank you! Basically confirms stuff i had been saying all along, cause it has happened to me!

[BarnGoddess]

To the posters who have trouble with the thought we shouldn't be meddling in a "religion", I have a thought. Comment if you want.

It seems to be a "religious practice" of the FLDS to send these women out to apply for public aid. Now you have involved the taxpayers who are supporting a private religion, yet they as a "religion" may declare themselves tax exempt. Wouldn't that disqualify them from their tax status? I suppose they could claim they get it on their own, but when 95% of the women and children in a community considered to be a religious compound are receiving public assistance, I think it would void any status they have.

[galvino]

Hi- I am a rare poster, but I am absolutely fascinated by what has been/is still happening in this sect. I was aware of most of it for years (thru reading, research, etc), but as appalled as I was, it would fall off my radar screen because the media would drop it after the initial "appalling" allegations were not discussed any longer- it was on to the next case 'de jour'!

I wish that the media would spend more time on this-even now that it is 'front page' every hour on the hour, it just seems to be reporting salatious details for no other reason than that. I believe that if the spotlight is kept on this, and more in depth reporting is done, more people would pay attn ,and Utah & AZ might grow some cajones and do something in Hilldale & Co. City.

If Authorities went into any other 'home' and removed even 1/32 of the # of victims they did in TX, this would be blasted accross the Universe! My hope is that the media doesn't drop this (but I think they will after a short time) because if a spotlight is kept on this, it will be harder for the FDLS to perpetuate these horrors. Evil/disease, Bacteria flourish in dark places and a quick 'flick' of a light does nothing to stop the insidious growth of a cancer like this! JMOO

[Fairy1]

I have never felt that the Church of the LDS has done more than simply stop practicing polygamy (because it's illegal) and publicly shun those who continue to practice it. The fact that the Mormons originally did practice polygamy should not be overlooked as it was a basic tenet of their religion in the beginning. In theory, any Mormon living by the Book of Mormon would still (at least privately) believe in the philosophy on which polygamy is based. You would think that for Mormons outside of the FLDS, it must be a struggle to omit this one tenet when it goes against their teachings (for the men anyway). Hipocracy at its finest, IMO. The bottom line is, if the members of the FLDS are American enough to take advantage of the welfare system, they can obey the rules of the USA as well. They've been getting away with unspeakable behavior in the name of religious freedom for decades and it's time for LE to put an end to it. It will not be easy and I hope that the state of Texas has their ducks in a row with this investigation.

[Linda7NJ]

Hi- I am a rare poster, but I am absolutely fascinated by what has been/is still happening in this sect. I was aware of most of it for years (thru reading, research, etc), but as appalled as I was, it would fall off my radar screen because the media would drop it after the initial "appalling" allegations were not discussed any longer- it was on to the next case 'de jour'!

I wish that the media would spend more time on this-even now that it is 'front page' every hour on the hour, it just seems to be reporting salacious details for no other reason than that. I believe that if the spotlight is kept on this, and more in depth reporting is done, more people would pay attn ,and Utah & AZ might grow some cajones and do something in Hillsdale & Co. City.

If Authorities went into any other 'home' and removed even 1/32 of the # of victims they did in TX, this would be blasted across the Universe! My hope is that the media doesn't drop this (but I think they will after a short time) because if a spotlight is kept on this, it will be harder for the FDLS to perpetuate these horrors. Evil/disease, Bacteria flourish in dark places and a quick 'flick' of a light does nothing to stop the insidious growth of a cancer like this! JMOO

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I can't believe how little coverage there has been. While part of me hopes it's for the children's sake...I know it really isn't. The heat needs to be cranked way up and stay up! This should not be allowed to continue raping children one more day anywhere in this country!

[txsvicki]

and another article: http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/572931.html

ELDORADO — The temple inside a polygamous sect's outpost was used by husbands when they had sex for the first time with their new underage wives, according to an affidavit released Wednesday by Texas officials.

The search and arrest warrant affidavit said the temple at the YFZ Ranch “contains an area where there is a bed where males over the age of seventeen engage in sexual activity with female children under the age of seventeen.”


I don't understand. Are these 17 year old and over males being taught to be pedophiles or are they to marry the female that they are raping? I guess age 17 and over could even mean an old geezer. I hope they find evidence of their murders and they all get the death penalty. Age 21 and over that is.

[Fairy1]

They should have said men "WAAAAAAAAAAAAY" over the age of 17 as that is generally the case. Many of the young males have been banished from the sect based on trumped up infractions. When a man can take 5, 8, 10 wives, they really don't need too many men around.

[Trino]

I can't believe how little coverage there has been. While part of me hopes it's for the children's sake...I know it really isn't. The heat needs to be cranked way up and stay up! This should not be allowed to continue raping children one more day anywhere in this country!

This news interests most people, which makes you wonder why there isn't more coverage. Why the media "cover up?"

[Ladybass0711]

This news interests most people, which makes you wonder why there isn't more coverage. Why the media "cover up?"


Gag order has been issued

[Fairy1]

This news interests most people, which makes you wonder why there isn't more coverage. Why the media "cover up?"

We have had a good deal of coverage on the west coast. But it's possible the authorities want to keep it under the radar - for now anyway. It's such a complicated situation and they must be meticulous in their investigation.

[galvino]

Linda- I agree wholeheartedly- the media is on this as 'the story of the day' and it will fade VERY quickly as another woman goes missing...

I don't mean to minimize that,those cases r what brought me here in the 1st place, but this ordeal is as impt as 400 women going missing in 1 day!

I just wish that this 'story' was reported not because of headlines, but because of the sheer #s and social/religeous/criminal/emotional connotations- This is a group (regardless of religion) of people that really have no coping skills, and the girls/kids taken from TX are only the tip of the iceburg. Would we allow Guyana to occur if we knew about it (regardless of constitutional rights) today? I hope not! If the "Media" drops this soon, they will become complicit and responsible for perpetuating this Cancer!

[Linda7NJ]

Linda- I agree wholeheartedly- the media is on this as 'the story of the day' and it will fade VERY quickly as another woman goes missing...

I don't mean to minimize that,those cases r what brought me here in the 1st place, but this ordeal is as input as 400 women going missing in 1 day!

I just wish that this 'story' was reported not because of headlines, but because of the sheer #s and social/religious/criminal/emotional connotations- This is a group (regardless of religion) of people that really have no coping skills, and the girls/kids taken from TX are only the tip of the iceberg. Would we allow Guyana to occur if we knew about it (regardless of constitutional rights) today? I hope not! If the "Media" drops this soon, they will become complicit and responsible for perpetuating this Cancer!


IMO Law enforcement already is

[Fairy1]

IMO Law enforcement already is

I so hope this is not true. I do think LE needs to be very, very careful with this situation. The last time something like this happened on such a large scale, it was tragically mishandled and it faded into to blackness, allowing the FLDS to continue their disgusting acts and add greatly to their numbers.

[Leila]

I don't understand. Are these 17 year old and over males being taught to be pedophiles or are they to marry the female that they are raping? I guess age 17 and over could even mean an old geezer. I hope they find evidence of their murders and they all get the death penalty. Age 21 and over that is.

Flora Jessop was on CNN tonight and discussed the bed in the temple. She said that the marriage ceremony would take place and after the ceremony was concluded, the husband (over 17-years of age) would take his new wife (under 17-years of age) and consummate the marriage right there on the bed in the temple. The commentator asked if there was an audience to this. Flora said that sometimes there was an audience. :furious:

[galvino]

Fairy-

I ain't 'holy', but I am ferverently praying for a good result in this horrid situation. I agree that LE needs to be VERY careful

[Fairy1]

Fairy-

I ain't 'holy', but I am ferverently praying for a good result in this horrid situation. I agree that LE needs to be VERY careful

Me neither - and me too!

[mostlylurking]

We're going to stop the personal attacks right now. If you've got an issue with someone's post direct your comments to the issues, not your opinion of the poster.

I've deleted the offending posts I found in a quick review that did not belong at all. Now everyone gets a chance to go back and self-edit their posts to remove any and all personal attacks. As always, we don't care who started it. Just fix it.

From the perspective of someone who reads more than posts,,,,,, but reads A LOT usually in one long sitting in the evening waaaayyyy to late to actually be part of converstation......

Thank You!!!!

[Linda7NJ]

I so hope this is not true. I do think LE needs to be very, very careful with this situation. The last time something like this happened on such a large scale, it was tragically mishandled and it faded into to blackness, allowing the FLDS to continue their disgusting acts and add greatly to their numbers.


I was shocked to learn members of FLDS were in LE, one was a mayor:eek: doctors....It's like that movie, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"....ya never know who's in it and who ya can trust!

[trixie]

This thread is too long. How do we start a new one?:confused:

[nanandjim]

This thread is too long. How do we start a new one?:confused:
Send a mod a note requesting that this one be locked and a new one be started. :)

[galvino]

Thanks for yacking with me tonite folks!

[barb0301]

Hi- I am a rare poster, but I am absolutely fascinated by what has been/is still happening in this sect. I was aware of most of it for years (thru reading, research, etc), but as appalled as I was, it would fall off my radar screen because the media would drop it after the initial "appalling" allegations were not discussed any longer- it was on to the next case 'de jour'!

I wish that the media would spend more time on this-even now that it is 'front page' every hour on the hour, it just seems to be reporting salatious details for no other reason than that. I believe that if the spotlight is kept on this, and more in depth reporting is done, more people would pay attn ,and Utah & AZ might grow some cajones and do something in Hilldale & Co. City.

If Authorities went into any other 'home' and removed even 1/32 of the # of victims they did in TX, this would be blasted accross the Universe! My hope is that the media doesn't drop this (but I think they will after a short time) because if a spotlight is kept on this, it will be harder for the FDLS to perpetuate these horrors. Evil/disease, Bacteria flourish in dark places and a quick 'flick' of a light does nothing to stop the insidious growth of a cancer like this! JMOO

I agree with you. I think that when LE is done with their "criminal" investigation, a lot more details will begin coming out about what they have found. There are a couple of FBI agents onsite, and a federal warrant has either been issued or is in the process of being issued. When all that comes out and is made public, something's going to hit the fan. Once that happens, I think the media will have a whole lot more to focus on than just the sexual abuse going on at this compound. I can't help but believe there are other things there that shouldn't be there, hence the FBI.

It's gonna get big, and the media better jump on the band wagon quick. UT and AZ might learn how to grow some cajones if they watch how our Texas Rangers and local LE are handling this.

YEEE-HAWWWWW TEXAS !!!!! WAY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROTECT THOSE KIDS AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Fairy1]

I was shocked to learn members of FLDS were in LE, one was a mayor:eek: doctors....It's like that movie, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"....ya never know who's in it and who ya can trust!

Exactly! They can't trust anyone around theym. It's so very sad and surreal in this day and age. These communities are so isolated and the inhabitants with power are extremely aggressive in protecting their lifestyle. The victims have so little recourse and so much brainwashing, any desire they may ever have to get out is eventually killed. It's frightening.

[philamena]

I agree with you. I think that when LE is done with their "criminal" investigation, a lot more details will begin coming out about what they have found. There are a couple of FBI agents onsite, and a federal warrant has either been issued or is in the process of being issued.
SNIP.....

YEEE-HAWWWWW TEXAS !!!!! WAY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROTECT THOSE KIDS AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:clap: :woohoo:

I'm with ya barb0301.

[barb0301]

Me neither - and me too!
Me am - and me too !!!

[cheko1]

:clap: :woohoo:

I'm with ya barb0301.

Count me in too!!!!

[Fairy1]

I agree with you. I think that when LE is done with their "criminal" investigation, a lot more details will begin coming out about what they have found. There are a couple of FBI agents onsite, and a federal warrant has either been issued or is in the process of being issued. When all that comes out and is made public, something's going to hit the fan. Once that happens, I think the media will have a whole lot more to focus on than just the sexual abuse going on at this compound. I can't help but believe there are other things there that shouldn't be there, hence the FBI.

It's gonna get big, and the media better jump on the band wagon quick. UT and AZ might learn how to grow some cajones if they watch how our Texas Rangers and local LE are handling this.

YEEE-HAWWWWW TEXAS !!!!! WAY TO GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PROTECT THOSE KIDS AT ALL COSTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes Ma'am! Let's hope they are on it big time!!! There are other members of LE in Utah and Arizona who have been extremely diligent in exposing these freaks. Kudos to them and to all who are seeking justice for the victims in this!!! I am quite sure there are many FDLS practices going on in TX, AZ and UT that are not legal. I know the authorities in TX have said they are having some difficulties in identifying the children, but someone here pointed out earlier that the Mormons are majorly into geneology and somewhere on that compound are the records they need.

[barb0301]

Yes Ma'am! Let's hope they are on it big time!!! There are other members of LE in Utah and Arizona who have been extremely diligent in exposing these freaks. Kudos to them and to all who are seeking justice for the victims in this!!! I am quite sure there are many FDLS practices going on in TX, AZ and UT that are not legal. I know the authorities in TX have said they are having some difficulties in identifying the children, but someone here pointed out earlier that the Mormons are majorly into geneology and somewhere on that compound are the records they need.

They found several locked lockers, safes, filing cabinets, etc inside the temple - I'm sure there were records in there. Plus anything they find on CD, harddrives, etc. I bet they found a gold mine of information, although it's gonna take a long time to sort it all out, I imagine they're not coming out of there empty handed.

I want to know what the jackhammers were about and why FBI got involved with a federal warrant.

[Glow]

I was really impressed by Debra Brown executive director of the Children's Advocacy Center. She seems kind and concerned about the children (even if slightly overwhelmed by the enormity of it all) in an interview with her. She has been appointed guardian ad lit em for 330 of the children taken from the compound. She said they are "very" normal and that they are "beautiful". She also said they are "well behaved". She said they are "well bonded" and are "cared for beautifully" by the women who came with them. She said that of the 330 , 3 are pregnant girls in their early teens. She said "I think we still have an awful lot to learn"
bravo to her for...I am so relieved to hear that.

Next, they went to Salt Lake City for an interview with Carolyn Jessop, who grew up in a polygamist family in the FLDS Church in Colorado City, Arizona. She's been a guest on this show before. At age 18, she was forced into a polygamist marriage with a 50-year-old man, finally fled with her eight children. She said that in her experience impacting mainstream society is very, very confusing.
" Even as an adult at 35, when I left this cult -- this religion and hit mainstream society, it was like landing on another planet. And I was very confused. And I "wanted" to be where I was.
She talks about the men. About the way that they learn to view women as objects. She concludes by saying about the men
"They don't really even understand what they're doing."
Also interviewed was
"Mike Watkiss. Mike is at the barracks where those removed are being held. He's a reporter for KTVK. He has reported extensively on polygamy, on Warren Jeffs, on the FLDS Church. He produced "Colorado City and the Underground Railroad," a great documentary." Watkiss is in San Angelo, Texas.
He (Watkiss) comes down very hard and very accurately on Warren Jeffs.
King asks the hard question: " Is it your thinking, Mike, that these are basically guys looking for easy sex?"
WATKISS: You know what, I think many of the men are victims themselves. They're raised in this culture. You've done stories on the lost boys. A lot of the young men are basically used as slave laborers until they're teenagers. They start running heavy equipment when they're about eight. You know, they're building stuff all the time. All the money they make -- or should make -- goes right to the prophet.

So I think many of the men are victims. It's the handful of -- it's the guys like Warren Jeffs. It's the hand -- this Merril Jessop, Carolyn's former husband, who's running the place. Those guys live lavishly. You know, this is one of those cockamamie theologies that was put together by men, benefits men and continues to benefit men.

And the bottom line is that the victims are their own people.

There is more at the link if anyone else would like to read it.

[adnoid]

Now is as good a time as any...

Thread # 2 here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63273)