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christine2448
04-10-2008, 04:29 PM
Part #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35547&highlight=Jennifer+Kesse)

Part #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38026&highlight=Jennifer+Kesse)

Part #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49675&highlight=Jennifer+Kesse)

Part #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49914&highlight=Jennifer+Kesse)

Part #5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50854&highlight=Jennifer+Kesse)

Part #6 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52189&highlight=Jennifer+Kesse)


CONTINUE HERE PLEASE

SeriouslySearching
04-10-2008, 04:31 PM
While he might not be the one, it did bring up an interesting tid bit: the work release program dorm. It is located at 130 W. Kaley Street, only 4.8 mi (8 minutes) from where Jennifer went missing. I wonder who else resided there during that time? Obviously, some very hard-core prisoners who probably are like this guy and should not have been on the streets. (308 of them to be exact.)

While in jail, he was court ordered to the work-release program where he stayed in a dorm on Kaley Street and went to work in the community. He was released from the program on March 25.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...,2059391.story

UK Sleuth
04-11-2008, 06:32 AM
Presumably the work release program will have records of where and what people were doing on certain days?

It will be interesting to see where this suspect was in Jan 2006.

Also the remains found in Palm Beach could be interesting I dont really buy into psychics much but that Brians Predictions site claims JK was last at palm beach.

Either way LE should be able to get an answer on both lines of enquiry fairly quickly.

Is this guy actually only 5ft - 5ft2?
He doesnt look it in the photos and neither does the poi in the JK photos.

Not very tall for a man is it?
I wonder how many felons there are who are only just over 5ft.

Maybe I am clutching at straws for JK but its very coincidental if he was in the area at the time, has the same build and matches the unusual height as per LEs estimate of the poi.

Hopefully JKs parents will know soon.

ms mystery
04-11-2008, 07:06 AM
I think Brian stated Jennifer was in Palm Bay which is an hour east of Orlando near the coast not Palm Beach which is South. I lived in Palm Bay for a winter and some of the clues were actually a street name there. I am not sure how much faith I have in him but whatever works to get Jennifer home.

UK Sleuth
04-11-2008, 07:42 AM
Ah I see being thousands of miles away my Floridian geography isnt the best!!!

Hopefully there will be some results asap.

SeriouslySearching
04-11-2008, 04:51 PM
I hope LE did check out their own work release program prisoners! (I wouldn't count on it tho.) Maybe the parents need to bring this up to them.

Crazy Canuck
04-12-2008, 07:56 AM
When they are in a work release program are they unsupervised while at work?

Wasn't there a lot of speculation about the what the poi was wearing? I seem to recall a lot of people thinking he had some type of uniform on.

I wonder how we could find out what his work release job was in jan 06?

SeriouslySearching
04-14-2008, 07:14 PM
Good question. I don't know that we would be privy to any of their information concerning jobs etc. However, in my opinion...it should be public knowledge of where a perp is working when they are in such a program. They are still under the supervision of the prison system.

UCFAlumni2002
04-15-2008, 11:04 PM
Did anyone ever get a true height for this guy? It would be interesting to see if it fit anywhere near the supposed height of the poi in Jenn's case. Do we know if he was in the work release program or if he was in jail when Jenn went missing?

SeriouslySearching
04-15-2008, 11:11 PM
Not yet! I thought it was decided already that he was incarcerated at the time she went missing?! I will certainly check on all of the above. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. :)

Myserty64
04-15-2008, 11:58 PM
You can get a rough idea of the height here. He doesn't look too short to me.
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/15837901/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=b

SeriouslySearching
04-16-2008, 12:03 AM
You can get a rough idea of the height here. He doesn't look too short to me.
http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/15837901/detail.html?qs=1;s=1;p=news&dm=ss&tn=bThanks! No, he doesn't appear to be "height" challenged from the photos and video. I heard earlier he was reported to be shorter, but then...the perp in the photo of Jennifer's case...his height is still in question as far as most of us are concerned. LE never had it right, imo, and I think we proved their measurements could be very off.

I often wonder why this was never addressed by Jen's family?

UCFAlumni2002
04-16-2008, 10:08 PM
I wonder everyday if they could LE could go back and start from the beginning if it we would be any further today?

SeriouslySearching
04-16-2008, 10:15 PM
I don't think any of us would disagree they need to start from the beginning and rework this case with fresh eyes. However, because they did not secure her apartment, computer, camera, and other things...they will still be at a disadvantage. They also need to rework the scene of the POI and get the real height of the person, talk to the mailman, reinterview people in the apartments etc. They need to release most of what they have so far to the public in an effort to move the case forward.

Myserty64
04-17-2008, 01:54 AM
Perhaps they need to find someone to match the evidence they have to. You can't tell me there was no evidence from the car.

SeriouslySearching
04-18-2008, 07:29 AM
They have to find a suspect before they can match evidence to them. Right now, they have no one to even investigate.

UCFAlumni2002
04-21-2008, 11:09 AM
From www.findjenniferkesse.com (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com)

Family Letter, April 2008 -

We, Jenniferís family and friends, want to keep you up to date with the latest information and actions concerning Jenniferís Abduction. The investigation into Jenniferís disappearance has stayed extremely active as of late and leads continue to come in on a regular basis from multiple sources. We ask everyone to continue the awareness campaign of Jenniferís situation, it will, in the end produce the right information we will need to bring an end to her personal Hell. Additional resources have been afforded to the Orlando Police department to bolster their efforts to help in resolving the mystery of what has happened to our loved one, Jennifer. We will continue to have patience and we will persevere through the daunting effort of trying to find Jennifer and the person or persons who ďTook HerĒ over 2 years and 2 months ago. Jennifer remains an extremely high priority for all agencies involved with the task of finding her and for that we are thankful.
Recently we found pictures of Jenniferís 4 leaf glover Tattoo she has on her left hip as well as a good picture of her pocket book she had with her at the time of her Abduction. We are trying to get those posted here as soon as possible, they may spark a memory in someoneís mind of seeing either of them. Please also be aware of Jenniferís distinguishing marks; her Cleft Chin, Green eyes which sometime can be Blue, a chicken pox mark next to her right eye, surgery scar on her inner left elbow, her poor eyesight as well as now her 4 leaf glover tattoo. We donít think at this point Jennifer will look like the pictures we all see and distribute, so we ask to be aware of the things which most likely wonít change on her physically.
We are also working hard on the proposed laws enhancing Floridaís existing missing persons laws and we are down to the wire and still need help in contacting any state Senator or Representative and ask them to support SB 502 and HB 223 and pass it this session which ends in the next 3 weeks in Tallahassee. We thank everyone who has helped us through emails and phone calls to legislators on this important proposed law, which you may read about just above this writing. This effort has been an education in our legislative system and a daunting task, as we as ordinary citizens try and pass laws without lobbyists, lawyers, Interest groups or a large bank account. We can and are making a difference as we join together for a common cause worth fighting for and we are grateful for all your help.
Please check back soon to this website, CBS 48 Hours Investigates is doing an entire show on Jennifer in late April/early May and we will post the date as soon as we get it. We also want to thank all the media outlets for continuing to tell Jenniferís story, all of you have been a God send for her awareness and without you our quest would be even harder.
Please also remember there is still an Abductor(s) out in our community/state/country/world somewhere who must be identified and taken off our streets so as not to have one more victim of this heinous crime acted on by this person(s).
May Good win over evil,
Kesse family and friends

murdershewrote
04-21-2008, 02:38 PM
question...you mention Jennifer had poor eyesight. Did she wear contacts? If so, were they found in their case in her apartment (as she would take them out in the evening before bed) or had she put them in (getting ready for the day). I think that would give some indication as to when she left the house and under what circumstances.

You've done an outstanding job of keeping up awareness of Jennifer's disappearance.

UCFAlumni2002
04-21-2008, 05:09 PM
Thanks- I will continue to do so.

Yes, her contacts were with her. That was on the missing information posted with www.theyaremissed.org (http://www.theyaremissed.org) is that she wears clear contacts.

It is almost certain that Jenn woke up that morning, took a shower, got dressed, put on her makeup and left for work. The mystery in a lot of people's eyes is when she locked her condo door.

UK Sleuth
04-22-2008, 11:15 AM
I have tried to take a step back from this and look at the case with fresh eyes.

If Jenniferís contact lenses are missing then this pretty much leads me to conclude that she was abducted on her way to work in the morning.

If it was the middle of the night the contacts would have still been in her condo, I think its fairly safe to assume she was at least pretty much ready to go to work.

Some people have suggested someone may have got in her car whilst she stopped to FedEx her friends phone.

I would expect any would be abductor to get in her car and be waiting for her return, the fact the phone was never mailed anywhere (that we are aware of) suggests to me that this didnít happen and therefore she never got even as far as mailing the phone.

I canít envisage the abductor grabbing her as she is walking towards a mailing centre, much easier to observe and hide in the back of her car.

I believe JK was abducted at some point walking from her condo door to her car.

Then one of two things happened:

1) The poi made her drive to a predetermined destination and later moved her car to HOTG when it is safe to do so i.e. JK is restrained or worse.
2) The poi who I believe was and may still be linked to the mosaic complex abducted JK to another condo in mosaic, perhaps his or perhaps an empty one which he knew of and then moved her car as a diversion and hot footed it back to mosaic.

The biggest clue here apart from the poi photo is the car:

Why park it only a mile away?
Why once parked head back towards the mosaic?
According to the sniffer dogs the poiís sent went back to mosaic, why?
Because Jennifer was there?
Because he had to be there to work?
The POI parks the car not long after the alarm is raised at mosaic, coincidence?

My facts may need to be verified but to me there are several things that point back to the mosaic complex, I believed from day one that this person was at least at the time linked in some way to Mosaic in my opinion.

As stated before I hope all people who worked on JKs and surrounding condoís have been interrogated and all residents questioned.

It would be interesting to find out which residents have moved away since.

This is just my opinion of course I wish for Jenniferís return and an end to this for her and her family.

Cheers
UK

UCFAlumni2002
04-22-2008, 03:21 PM
I've been following this case for some time, and I always come back to something happening on the way to her car. I don't think it happened in her apartment, but rather after she closed her door.. from then the mystery begins.

I just keep praying that someone's conscience makes the right choice and passes on the one tip needed to solve the puzzle.

UCFAlumni2002
04-22-2008, 09:55 PM
Senate Bill 502 is up for a Full Senate vote tomorrow, Wed 4/23...

UCFAlumni2002
04-23-2008, 02:11 PM
Florida Senate Bill 502 passed unanimously today in the Florida Senate. We are one step closer to the laws in Florida being enahnced for Missing Persons! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Next step is HB 223 in the Florida House.

:)

UCFAlumni2002
04-23-2008, 03:44 PM
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=78863 (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=78863)

'Missing Persons' legislation


Tallahassee, FL - - State Senators adopted the “missing persons" legislation, now renamed as the "Jennifer Kesse and Hillary Sessions” bill.

It requires law enforcement to report and synchronize data with a national database within 2 hours of reporting their findings. Jennifer Kesse disappeared from her Orlando condo 2 years ago. Tiffany Sessions disappeared from the University of Florida nearly 20 years ago. Parents of both families attended the Senate's session where the proposal was unanimously adopted.

Approval of this bill is still required from Florida's House of Representatives and the Governor before it can become law.

Brittany Benner, Tampa Bay's 10 News

UCFAlumni2002
04-23-2008, 05:48 PM
The Senate Version of the "Jennifer Kesse & Hillary Sessions Missing Persons Act" can be found at the following link:

http://www.flsenate.gov/cgi-bin/view_page.pl?Tab=session&Submenu=1&FT=D&File=sb0502e1.html&Directory=session/2008/Senate/bills/billtext/html/





Senate 0502: Relating to Missing Persons/Investigation [SPCC] http://www.flsenate.gov/images/dividers/600x3_gradient.gif

S502 GENERAL BILL/CS/1ST ENG by Children, Families, and Elder Affairs;
Constantine; (CO-INTRODUCERS) Jones; Fasano; Lynn; Ring; Haridopolos;
Dockery (Similar CS/H 0223 (http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/index.cfm?Mode=Bills&Submenu=1&BI_Mode=ViewBillInfo&Billnum=0223&Year=2008))
Missing Persons/Investigation [SPCC]; Cites this act as the "Jennifer
Kesse and Tiffany Sessions Missing Persons Act." Requires law
enforcement agencies to adopt written policies and procedures to be used
when investigating missing children and missing adult reports. Requires
the law enforcement agency having jurisdiction to accept and file the
report. Provides a timeframe for transmitting the report to state and
national databases, etc. EFFECTIVE DATE: 07/01/2008.

UCFAlumni2002
04-24-2008, 12:55 PM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WS

Today marks 27 months since Jennifer Kesse was abducted from in or near her condo at Mosaic @ Millenia Condos in Orlando, FL. Please take a moment to light a candle for Jenn and for all of the Missing at the above link.

Thank you and may God bring us answers soon!

UCFAlumni2002
04-25-2008, 01:59 PM
Two bodies found in Orlando this week! Unfortunately, little information is provided, but prayers to the families of whomever they belong to.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/localandstate/orl-cfbriefs23_108apr23,0,4004099.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/localandstate/orl-cfbriefs23_108apr23,0,4004099.story)

Body found by lakeshore investigated (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/localandstate/orl-cfbriefs23_108apr23,0,4004099.story)


April 23, 2008 ORLANDO - Orlando police were investigating a death Tuesday afternoon after finding a body on the shoreline at Lorna Doone Park.

The body, which was decomposing, was found a few feet off the shore. Police were unsure how long it had been there or how it got there.

"It's going to be a death investigation," said Sgt. Barbara Jones, an Orlando police spokeswoman. "We will have to wait for the medical people to determine how the person died."

Police were called to the park about 2 p.m. Tuesday after someone spotted the body. The body was taken to the Medical Examiner's Office. Police could not determine whether foul play was involved.





Bianca Prieto, Susan Jacobson, Elizabeth Maupin, Denise-Marie Balona and Stephen Hudak of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-found-body-colonial-042408,0,3036696.story


Decomposed body found near Azalea Park (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-found-body-colonial-042408,0,3036696.story)


Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer 1:36 PM EDT, April 25, 2008




Orlando police are investigating a decomposed body discovered near a lake, off E. Colonial Drive and Semoran Boulevard.

Records show the body was found at 10:50 a.m. in the 5000 block of E. Colonial Drive. A lawn maintenance crew discovered the body in a patch of woods adjacent to the Rooms To Go, Jones said.

Police have not released the identification of the body or the cause of death.

crypto6
04-26-2008, 01:52 AM
Two bodies found in Orlando this week! Unfortunately, little information is provided, but prayers to the families of whomever they belong to.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/localandstate/orl-cfbriefs23_108apr23,0,4004099.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/localandstate/orl-cfbriefs23_108apr23,0,4004099.story)

Body found by lakeshore investigated (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/wednesday/localandstate/orl-cfbriefs23_108apr23,0,4004099.story)


April 23, 2008 ORLANDO - Orlando police were investigating a death Tuesday afternoon after finding a body on the shoreline at Lorna Doone Park.

The body, which was decomposing, was found a few feet off the shore. Police were unsure how long it had been there or how it got there.

"It's going to be a death investigation," said Sgt. Barbara Jones, an Orlando police spokeswoman. "We will have to wait for the medical people to determine how the person died."

Police were called to the park about 2 p.m. Tuesday after someone spotted the body. The body was taken to the Medical Examiner's Office. Police could not determine whether foul play was involved.





Bianca Prieto, Susan Jacobson, Elizabeth Maupin, Denise-Marie Balona and Stephen Hudak of the Sentinel staff contributed to this report.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-found-body-colonial-042408,0,3036696.story


Decomposed body found near Azalea Park (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-found-body-colonial-042408,0,3036696.story)


Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer 1:36 PM EDT, April 25, 2008




Orlando police are investigating a decomposed body discovered near a lake, off E. Colonial Drive and Semoran Boulevard.

Records show the body was found at 10:50 a.m. in the 5000 block of E. Colonial Drive. A lawn maintenance crew discovered the body in a patch of woods adjacent to the Rooms To Go, Jones said.

Police have not released the identification of the body or the cause of death.

UCFAlumni2002, I know you follow this closely. Any word, even sex, approximate age, height, state of decomposition??
If it could not be Jenn, I would hope LE would tell the family.

C6

SeriouslySearching
04-26-2008, 02:45 PM
Bless those families who are going to receive such horrific news. While it is a relief to know what happened to their loved ones, it is still so sad. :(

UCFAlumni2002
04-26-2008, 10:21 PM
Unfortunately, the information I've been able to find so far have not indicated sex, race or age of the bodies found. It's driving me nuts. I have not heard anything about it being Jenn though.

rd_jfc
04-27-2008, 11:56 AM
thanks for the heads up, UCF. Neither of these locations (in their exact specifity) and in the way found strikes me as very possible this is Jennifer or another murder victim missing for any length of time.

The Colonial Drive is likely to be homeless/transient. The Lorna Doone might be foul play. Not sure how the body would be offshore a few feet if not.

I hope neither were murdered, and that the Kesses get closure soon for Jennifer.

rd

UCFAlumni2002
05-02-2008, 01:15 AM
bumping for Jenn

UCFAlumni2002
05-02-2008, 06:30 PM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/05/kesse-sessions.html

Kesse, Sessions Missing Persons Act passes


posted by John A. Cutter on May 2, 2008 5:36:40 PM

I just got e-mail below from someone who went to UCF with Jennifer Kesse (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/jennifer_kesse/index.html). As you probably know, Kesse has been missing since January 2006:
"Our Florida Legislature just passed The Jennifer Kesse and Hillary Sessions Missing Persons Act! The House just voted on it and passed SB502 Unanimously! Now, it's on to Governor Charlie Crist's desk to sign into law!"
The bill does several things, including this: "Requires the (missing persons) clearinghouse to collect and process information regarding missing children, missing persons younger than 26 years of age, and missing persons suspected by a law enforcement agency of being in danger or a victim of criminal activity."
Read more about the bill here. (http://www.flsenate.gov/session/index.cfm?BI_Mode=ViewBillInfo&Mode=Bills&SubMenu=1&Year=2008&billnum=502) The Kesse web site (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com/)has the latest information on the case. Also, if you are on Facebook, (http://www.facebook.com/) there is a group you can join, called Help Find Jennifer Kesse (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2600436034).

SeriouslySearching
05-02-2008, 06:39 PM
That is wonderful news! Thanks for posting, UCFA!

RR0004
05-03-2008, 12:06 AM
A truly great thing!

Thinking of the family and praying for Jennifer.

Kelly
05-03-2008, 02:03 PM
Congratulations to Drew and Joyce Kesse, Jennifer's parents, and all who helped pass this bill, a part of Project Jason's Campaign for the Missing.

Media, in some cases, seems to be misunderstanding the bill, some even stating it extends the age on the Amber Alert, which is incorrect. Here are some highlights of the bill.

Basic Summary:

An act relating to missing persons; amending s. 937.021, F.S.; requiring law enforcement agencies to adopt written policies and procedures to be used when investigating missing person reports; requiring law enforcement agencies to submit information to specified databases; providing immunity from civil liability for certain persons involving such reports; requiring that a law enforcement agency obtain a DNA sample after a person has been missing
10 more than 90 days; requiring the Department of Law Enforcement to adopt rules; amending s. 937.022, F.S.;renaming the Missing Children Information Clearinghouse the "Missing Children and Persons Information Clearinghouse"; requiring the clearinghouse to collect and process information regarding missing children, missing persons younger than 26 years of age, and missing persons suspected by a law enforcement agency of being in danger or a victim of criminal activity; providing definitions; providing an effective date.

Highlights:

LE must have written procedures regarding the proper investigation of cases, use of available resources, and monthy review of cases.

Missing persons must be entered into the NCIC and the FL CIC databases within 2 hours.

When a person has been missing for 90 days, DNA may be obtained from the person's belongings or the appropriate biological family members. LE can obtain DNA before the 90 days if need be.

The state clearinghouse shall now also include information about missing persons through age 25, and any missing person LE considered to be engandered or a victim of criminal activity. LE is required to report information about these cases to the state clearinghouse.

FL LE shall establish a means to communicate case information about the case types as noted above.

LE is encouraged to transmit information about the above missing person case types to media and other interested parties who may be on the same distribution list as those on the Amber Alert list. Any person on this list who complies with the request cannot be held liable for any damages in complying with the request to disseminate this information.

The last point and second point above are the ones which seems to confuse some media into thinking the bill extends the age of Amber Alerts. As you can see, it does not.

You can read the full text of the bill here: http://www.flsenate.gov/data/session/2008/Senate/bills/billtext/pdf/s0502.pdf

LillyRush
05-03-2008, 06:09 PM
Kelly, I think that's great news. Thanks for explaining the differences between this and the amber alert.

UCFAlumni2002
05-04-2008, 12:19 PM
Yes, Kelly, thank you.... it's hard to get the understanding of that, but basically it's a win for the residents and visitors of the state of Florida.

rd_jfc
05-08-2008, 12:17 PM
I did an analysis of the most recent cop impersonator arrested in Orlando. I believe he fits the profile of the Jennifer Kesse suspect to a T. I'll check back, hope it generates some discussion on Jennifer's case.

rd

Jennifer Kesse POI photo analysis links
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3402&start=150

UCFAlumni2002
05-09-2008, 12:09 PM
I know your theory is cop impersonator rd, but what about the two men arrested in the Rachel Hoffman case? They were arrested in Orlando.


http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/18800289.html
http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/18802024.html
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080509/NEWS01/805090343

rd_jfc
05-09-2008, 12:33 PM
hi UCF, were they wearing a duty belt with drop-leg holstered gun, baton, police shoulder patch? No, they weren't. You're going to continue to have abductions, and all have to be checked out as to whereabouts for previous unsolved crimes when possible, but we have a specific POI wearing this gear to find.

I would say that with actions police took with Ansley, that they understand the seriousness of unlicensed people running around wearing this gear, and I will be real surprised if they haven't tried to rule him out of having no known whereabouts on morning of January 24, 2006.

Given what I wrote in my analysis, it looks like he was independent at the time.

rd

gaia227
05-13-2008, 04:19 PM
I have read this thread off and on and admittedly have missed bits and pieces........
I'm sure he probably has but I just want to ask: Has Jerry Buck Inman been discussed here as a potential suspect?

UCFAlumni2002
05-20-2008, 03:26 PM
From www.findjenniferkesse.com (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com)

5-20-2008, Tuesday is Jennifer's 27th Birthday and her 3rd since she was abducted. We will give thanks for the incredible gift she is to us, as is Logan. We ask that you please give blood in her honor sometime in the very near future. Thank you for all your continued support and we will bring Jennifer home where she belongs.

Happy Birthday Jennifer!!!!
Mom & Dad

SeriouslySearching
05-20-2008, 11:35 PM
hi UCF, were they wearing a duty belt with drop-leg holstered gun, baton, police shoulder patch? No, they weren't. You're going to continue to have abductions, and all have to be checked out as to whereabouts for previous unsolved crimes when possible, but we have a specific POI wearing this gear to find.
I would say that with actions police took with Ansley, that they understand the seriousness of unlicensed people running around wearing this gear, and I will be real surprised if they haven't tried to rule him out of having no known whereabouts on morning of January 24, 2006.

Given what I wrote in my analysis, it looks like he was independent at the time.

rdCorrection, you believe it to be true...but it doesn't make it a fact, RD. I still do not see it your way. You have convinced yourself and a few others, but you have not convinced me. So your theory is still just a theory as there is no real proof he is or was pretending to be a policeman or had any such equipment on him. Sorry.

We can't exclude people who don't fit your profile. It can't work that way. We have to include everyone until they are ruled out as possible perps in this case.

SeriouslySearching
05-20-2008, 11:46 PM
Jennifer, another birthday passes and you are not home where you belong. I pray that the time will come soon. Your family needs to find answers and you deserve justice.

Today is a reminder to everyone searching for you how much you are loved and missed. Bless you, your family, and your friends. You are never far away from so many hearts.

RR0004
05-21-2008, 12:34 AM
Happy Birthday, Jennifer!

May you find your way home soon...

UCFAlumni2002
05-21-2008, 12:38 PM
We all are praying for Jenn each and every day as well as her family and friends.

rd_jfc
05-21-2008, 07:59 PM
SS wrote: "We have to include everyone until they are ruled out as possible perps in this case."

Maybe you missed the part where I said that.

But besides that, what I am referring to is not theory, it's photographic evidence. In Eve Carson's case, they enlarged the surveillance photograph in the same way and found someone in the back seat.

rd

UCFAlumni2002
05-24-2008, 01:52 AM
Bumping for Jenn.... it's been 28 months since Jenn went missing. Prayers for her, her family, and friends for answers .

RR0004
05-24-2008, 03:12 AM
Thanks UCF! We're still here with you.

UM&AMWfan
05-24-2008, 08:31 PM
I saw on Jen's website that she is going to be profiled on 48 hours in late April/early May but I've been watching that show and she's not been on so what gives??

Was Jen already on that show before??

UCFAlumni2002
05-26-2008, 12:31 PM
Jenn has not been on 48 hours before, but they are hoping it will get on by June. I will keep everyone updated as soon as I hear. I think they were doing more interviews and shooting... :) thanks

UM&AMWfan
05-26-2008, 05:19 PM
Jenn has not been on 48 hours before, but they are hoping it will get on by June. I will keep everyone updated as soon as I hear. I think they were doing more interviews and shooting... :) thanks

48 Hours is usually very good but Jen's case is going to all that more provocative and better than most shows because it's so mysterious.

She basically disappeared into thin air, right?

Did she even leave any fingerprints or personal effects from where she was last?

UCFAlumni2002
05-26-2008, 10:09 PM
Well she was last known to be in her apartment, but it appears she got ready to go to work in the morning and left her apartment. Her car was found a mile down the road and had been driven by someone else.

UCFAlumni2002
05-27-2008, 05:03 PM
CBS 48 Hours will feature Jennifer Kesse's story on June 14th, Saturday @ 10pm/9 CST. Check local listings in your area for CBS channel. Please also pass this on to everyone you know!

Thanks!

UCFAlumni2002
05-29-2008, 11:16 AM
Bumping for Jenn...

UM&AMWfan
05-31-2008, 06:09 AM
Well she was last known to be in her apartment, but it appears she got ready to go to work in the morning and left her apartment. Her car was found a mile down the road and had been driven by someone else.

So, that means she could've been abducted anywhere from her apt. to her car or maybe even she drove her car somewhere else and got abducted and the abductor dropped the car a mile away?

So, in other words we know nothing of where she was actually taken?

rd_jfc
05-31-2008, 01:14 PM
the list of what we (or the police) do know is almost non-existant.

rd

UM&AMWfan
06-03-2008, 03:52 AM
the list of what we (or the police) do know is almost non-existant.

rd

WHOA! No wonder this case is stone cold.

UCFAlumni2002
06-05-2008, 02:15 PM
I sometimes wonder if law enforcement might know just a bit more then we do and that it is active. My understanding is that there are still tips being called in every single day.

Let's see what 48 Hours shows next Saturday night, June 14, at 10pm est on CBS. thanks

rd_jfc
06-05-2008, 08:35 PM
That's a good idea. I will definitely be watching.

rd

SeriouslySearching
06-07-2008, 12:45 AM
SS wrote: "We have to include everyone until they are ruled out as possible perps in this case."

Maybe you missed the part where I said that.

But besides that, what I am referring to is not theory, it's photographic evidence. In Eve Carson's case, they enlarged the surveillance photograph in the same way and found someone in the back seat.

rdRD that is because there WAS someone in the backseat of the car even an amateur could see! What you are seeing in your analysis could be nothing more than the folds of clothes, shadows, etc. If it were photographic evidence...then LE would be all over it and as far as I know...they are not. It would mean it is speculation on your part. Sorry, but I can take any photograph and come up with similar to what you did with using different techniques. A photo can be manipulated to show things which are not actually there, but can be made from shadows etc.

rd_jfc
06-07-2008, 01:27 AM
That's as far as you know.

rd

SeriouslySearching
06-07-2008, 01:32 AM
:rolleyes: It would be all over the news if it had been verified to be a legitimate lead as it was in the other case where they figured out the other person was in the backseat of the car.

Myserty64
06-07-2008, 01:44 AM
LE should know more about this case than anyone in the public domain.
They have interviewed dozens if not hundreds of people.

LE will also know a lot about Jennifer, her friends and associates and her lifestyle.

I find it difficult to believe tips are coming in on a daily basis. This case attracted little information right from the start and it is now 28 months since the abduction.
In the first two weeks after the 24th Jan 06 there was spokesperson from Crimeline saying they were surprised at the low volume of tips.

It would be fascinating to know what LE has in the way of information but whatever they do have is not enough for an arrest.
On the down side it is quite possible LE has nothing much at all.

SeriouslySearching
06-07-2008, 01:56 AM
I personally believe they don't have much if anything. They didn't investigate this properly from the beginning and only have the vehicle to go on. We know they didn't get much from it.

Without them doing a crime scene type scenario inside her apartment, they allowed a lot of possible evidence to go undetermined...such as the camera not being checked out! This means her computer, phone, etc. probably were not touched either. The investigation was sloppy at best.

I cannot imagine any viable tips coming in at this stage either.

rd_jfc
06-07-2008, 01:57 AM
well, first of all, there's nobody down there to verify it's a legitimate lead. I quit checking the Orlando crime section when it got too horrifying to look at. There's murderers marauding all over the place. I doubt they can keep up with blood spatter evidence.

but for anyone who doesn't know what SS is trashing, take a look for yourself and draw your own conclusion. The Eve Carson work already disproved the claim that it is illegitimate to enlarge photographs.

Decide for yourselves whether "shadows" form the solid black image of a thigh strap holster and duty belt and a baton that people think is his arm from a casual observation.

And see his face from the third surveillance photo along with a law enforcement shoulder patch.

Let's see, that was trashed because you can't read the word sheriff on it.

Blowup of Jennifer Kesse person of interest / suspect
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3033

rd

SeriouslySearching
06-07-2008, 01:59 AM
I am not trashing it...but you seem to believe it is a fact...which it is definitely not.

I looked again. There IS NO patch. There is not a stun gun. No baton. Nothing to indicate any of those things on that photograph!

Enlarging them brings out the natural shadows which are there and it also distorts the images.

rd_jfc
06-07-2008, 02:05 AM
In the Eve Carson work they also adjusted brighteness and contrast, which is all I did.

rd

SeriouslySearching
06-07-2008, 02:09 AM
Anytime you adjust the brightness and contrast, you are manipulating the photo. I do know quite about about this part of it.

UCFAlumni2002
06-07-2008, 01:12 PM
rd- i have to agree- it isn't "fact" per se but definitely a good theory and a good possibility. I have to agree that there needs to be every avenue looked at. Tara Grinstead has also been missing now for over 3 years and nothing found. So, here are two women who had everything going for them and they have literally vanished.

rd_jfc
06-07-2008, 04:44 PM
Back in the old days we had what were called brightness and contrast knobs on a tv. Nobody said, "oh you can't adjust that, that's manipulating the picture!"

No, what they said was, " oh, now I can see it fine."

But of course that was a long time ago and everything's automatic now so of course we can't do anything like we used to. Where's that little rolling eyes icon?

And what is plain to see is a law enforcent uniform and equipment, such as a security guard would wear. I know that isn't popular here what with the focus on construction workers, but people were looking at a washed out surveillance photo and believing this stuff about the person being about 5'4", which is the one thing we all agree on now is wrong.

So, no, it isn't a theory, either the picture shows what it does or it's an illusion that perfectly shaped shadows in the form of law enforcement uniform and equipment, and his face, are in three consecutive surveillance pictures.

I don't particularly care which way one decides, just as long as everybody gets a chance to see for themselves and decide whether the police are not following up on Jennifer's case by chaging the description of the POI they asked people to try to remember to the correct height and the clear picture of a law enforcement person.

Of course that's trouble they don't want, so I expect nothing from them.

And they are delivering on that magnificently.

rd

drumstick
06-08-2008, 08:26 AM
I want to give everyone here a big pat on the back for your time and effort discussing your theories in Jennifer Kesse's case.

One of the things I love about you is your passion.
And (of course) your intelligence!

It's been frustrating for most us who realized early on that this case should have been solved right away.

Le had a time, place, car, video of suspect, possible fingerprints and dna,
cell phone records, landline records, neighborhood surveillance tapes, all within the first week of Jen's abduction.

As with any case, it all comes down to motive.

Find the motive and you find the person responsible for abducting Jennifer on her way to work that early morning January 24th, 2006.

One thing we all know for certain is that this beautiful young lady did not walk away from her life. She was most definitely targeted and stolen from her family and friends.

I'm looking forward to watching 48 hours next weekend knowing that all of you will be watching too.

~

findjenniferkesse.com ~ for details

SeriouslySearching
06-08-2008, 08:35 AM
It is certainly one thing we do have: Passion. Answers would be what are lacking. Someday maybe LE will provide answers to the many questions we have presented. Until then, Jennifer remains missing and we can only watch while her family suffers this horrible nightmare day after day.

UCFAlumni2002
06-08-2008, 10:04 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/services/newspaper/printedition/sunday/localandstate/orl-spotlight0808jun08,0,1519741.story

THIS WEEK'S SPOTLIGHT: DREW KESSE
Fighting to find daughter

Willoughby Mariano | Sentinel Staff Writer
June 8, 2008

Since Orlando resident Jennifer Kesse vanished in January 2006, her father, Drew Kesse, has worked to keep her name and plight on TV and in the newspapers. He has attracted international attention to the case, but his daughter, who was 24 when she went missing, has not been found. This coming Saturday, her story will be featured on CBS's '48 Hours Mystery,' which airs at 10 p.m. on WKMG-Channel 6. He spoke recently with Sentinel reporter Willoughby Mariano.

Are there any major developments in the case?
No. Unfortunately Jennifer's abduction remains a mystery to authorities, as well as the identity of the suspect. . . . Having said that, most of the authorities working her case as well as our family think that we will find Jennifer. Whether for the good or bad, we believe Jennifer will come home and we are prepared for that day.

Where do you think Jennifer is?
This is a tough one. Within our family there are several thoughts on where we think Jennifer may be. Mine, in particular, revolves around the theory that she was unknowingly stalked, taken at an opportune time and is far away from Orlando and maybe the U.S. . . . Ask me in five minutes, I would probably tell you something else.

Explain your theory.
Nothing of Jennifer's has been found, used, et cetera, which gives me great hope that she may still be alive and waiting to be rescued or escape. I am, however, realistic in the sense that Jennifer may not be with us any longer after such a long period of time missing. Either way, Jennifer needs to be found and brought home.

What was it like to be involved in the '48 Hours' story?
It was an incredible yet stressful experience. From the executive producers to Peter Van Sant, the Emmy-award-winning investigative journalist who did our interviews, all were compassionate, professional and caring in every sense of the word and treated us and Jennifer with great respect.

Did you expect to be able to maintain interest in your daughter's case for so long?
Yes. I will do whatever it takes to keep the awareness of Jennifer's abduction high and find her. It's called unconditional love and a very positive attitude. I am by far not alone in this effort. Jennifer's family, friends and incredible volunteers work tirelessly to keep her name and face in the public's eye all over the world. . . . I have developed skills which I can apply to the effort. I very rarely, if ever, turn down interviews; they are an integral part of finding Jennifer. Do I like what I have to do? No. Our lives are now public, which is not of interest to me at all.

Your daughter's disappearance has taken a huge toll emotionally. What about financially?
Without going into too many particulars, it has cost a lot of money thus far -- a lot. I am, much to contrary belief, not a wealthy person, financially; in fact, far, far from it. People have been extremely generous; however, most if not all of any savings for my future is now depleted. My wealth comes in the form of family, friends and volunteers.

People try to comfort you. What's the worst thing they can say?
"Jennifer has been chosen for a higher purpose, which will come to light someday." To add to that, people often tell us they don't know what to say. [That] you care says it all.

Does it get any easier?
No, no, no, no. And in case you didn't get it -- no. It is an absurd notion to me. How I personally suffer within means nothing. It is all about Jennifer. Period. End of discussion. Think of what Jennifer is or has gone through for over two years in her hell. My feelings or sense of ease don't count at all and shouldn't. I get to eat, shower, sleep, come and go pretty much as I please. I don't think Jennifer has or had that ability.

Anyone with information about the case is asked to call Crimeline at 800-423-TIPS.

Willoughby Mariano can be reached at wmariano@orlandosentinel.com or 407-420-5171.

arielilane
06-08-2008, 11:17 AM
CBS 48 Hours will feature Jennifer Kesse's story on June 14th, Saturday @ 10pm/9 CST. Check local listings in your area for CBS channel. Please also pass this on to everyone you know!

Thanks!
Thank you for the heads up; I definitely want to watch this.

drumstick
06-09-2008, 09:10 AM
I would like to see a new measurement of the suspect's height.
I hope 48 hours included that in their investigation of the facts.

~

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 09:26 AM
While I would love to see that, too...it is doubtful they will touch on it because it calls into question the FBI's abilities.

UCFAlumni2002
06-09-2008, 10:59 AM
You never know... we can hope!

What is everyone hoping to see this weekend on 48 Hours?

- height of suspect (poi) is a definite... what else?

SeriouslySearching
06-09-2008, 11:07 AM
I would like to see the evidence they obtained (if any) from her vehicle.

I also would be interested in knowing more about the break-ins previously in her complex with the master key involved.

UCFAlumni2002
06-09-2008, 05:50 PM
good points-

- height
- evidence obtained from vehicle (DNA, Fingerprints?)
- break ins at complex with Master Key prior?

Let's keep adding...

Myserty64
06-09-2008, 06:44 PM
I want to know more about the tracking dog Bo.
I want to know why it's efforts in tracking back to Mosaic were dismissed.

I would also like to know the exact route the dog tracked back to Mosaic.

I would also like to know exactly where the dog stopped following the scent on the Mosaic grounds.
It was reported that the dog stopped at the stairs leading up to Jennifer's condo and at least one news item said the dog stopped at the condo door.
I have heard the dog stopped at another spot.
Where have you heard the dog stopped tracking?

I have said this before and I'll say it again. When the dog started tracking from HOTG it could have headed to anywhere in Orlando but it went to Mosaic. Why?

Myserty64
06-09-2008, 06:51 PM
There was a small group of people who stayed in Jennifer's condo the weekend she was away. One of the group was her brother and I guess the others were his friends.
Was anyone else invited over to the condo during their stay?

Don't forget a cell phone was left behind by one of the guests. How does a young person 'forget' their cell phone in this day and age?

I would like to know more about the group at the condo, what they did and who may have visited them.

RR0004
06-09-2008, 09:53 PM
There was a small group of people who stayed in Jennifer's condo the weekend she was away. One of the group was her brother and I guess the others were his friends.
Was anyone else invited over to the condo during their stay?

Don't forget a cell phone was left behind by one of the guests. How does a young person 'forget' their cell phone in this day and age?

I would like to know more about the group at the condo, what they did and who may have visited them.
I think this info is important as well.

PS- I have 3 kids who have trouble remembering their cell phones...especially when they've been partying.

Myserty64
06-10-2008, 12:23 AM
PS- I have 3 kids who have trouble remembering their cell phones...especially when they've been partying.


Thanks for the advice on that one!:)

concernedperson
06-11-2008, 10:56 AM
You never know... we can hope!

What is everyone hoping to see this weekend on 48 Hours?

- height of suspect (poi) is a definite... what else?

The Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead portion of 48 Hours originally set for June 14th has been postponed due to network scheduling. A new tentative air date is for July but no firm date as of right now.

UCFAlumni2002
06-11-2008, 12:19 PM
The CBS 48 Hours piece scheduled for this Saturday, June 14, has been postponed. It was to feature Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead. Supposedly it was due to scheduling problems with the network, however, Tara's mom just passed away this past weekend, so that could have had something to do with it.

Will let everyone know new airdate as soon as I do.
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UCFAlumni2002
06-11-2008, 06:44 PM
A 26 year old jogger, Nicole, who was a UCF student went missing Tuesday night at Blanchard Park, not too far from UCF. Sadly, they found her body today about 1/2 mile where she was last seen. It's such a shame that even though they acted so quickly, this turned out for the worst.

Now, after 2 years and 4 months, where is Jenn? It almost revives hope that she is out there somewhere alive.... Praying for answers.

RR0004
06-12-2008, 12:18 AM
A 26 year old jogger, Nicole, who was a UCF student went missing Tuesday night at Blanchard Park, not too far from UCF. Sadly, they found her body today about 1/2 mile where she was last seen. It's such a shame that even though they acted so quickly, this turned out for the worst.

Now, after 2 years and 4 months, where is Jenn? It almost revives hope that she is out there somewhere alive.... Praying for answers.
Please keep us posted about the new airing date. I planned my Saturday around watching this....disappointed...but so sorry to hear about Tara's mom.

Praying for Jennifer to come home...

SeriouslySearching
06-12-2008, 12:21 AM
A 26 year old jogger, Nicole, who was a UCF student went missing Tuesday night at Blanchard Park, not too far from UCF. Sadly, they found her body today about 1/2 mile where she was last seen. It's such a shame that even though they acted so quickly, this turned out for the worst.

Now, after 2 years and 4 months, where is Jenn? It almost revives hope that she is out there somewhere alive.... Praying for answers.Yes, I just heard that on the news. Bless her heart and her family's.

I have always heard to find where something is...you have to first find where it is not. It may very well be a good sign she hasn't been found in that respect.

Straitfan
06-12-2008, 01:18 AM
The CBS 48 Hours piece scheduled for this Saturday, June 14, has been postponed. It was to feature Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead. Supposedly it was due to scheduling problems with the network, however, Tara's mom just passed away this past weekend, so that could have had something to do with it.

Will let everyone know new airdate as soon as I do.
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OMG, I didn't hear Tara's mom had passed away, that is horrible news.. She looked so young and vibrant, I need to ck Tara's site as to what she passed from.. Both of these stories are soooo sad as many others are. I look forward to seeing them on 48 Hours.

SeriouslySearching
06-12-2008, 01:22 AM
The CBS 48 Hours piece scheduled for this Saturday, June 14, has been postponed. It was to feature Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead. Supposedly it was due to scheduling problems with the network, however, Tara's mom just passed away this past weekend, so that could have had something to do with it.

Will let everyone know new airdate as soon as I do.
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REWARDThanks, UCFAlumni~ Awwww, sad news about Tara's mother. Their poor family. :(

concernedperson
06-12-2008, 05:53 PM
Tara and Jenn's new air date is Tuesday, July 8th at 9 PM.

Prayers for both families as they navigate without their precious daughters. Let's hope a bit of news can spark new interest and help find these young women and bring them home.

It has been too long and too much heartache left in the path of their abductions and/or murders.

RR0004
06-12-2008, 06:05 PM
Tara and Jenn's new air date is Tuesday, July 8th at 9 PM.

Prayers for both families as they navigate without their precious daughters. Let's hope a bit of news can spark new interest and help find these young women and bring them home.

It has been too long and too much heartache left in the path of their abductions and/or murders.
Thanks, CP. So beautifully said.

UCFAlumni2002
06-13-2008, 12:39 AM
Thanks for that update Concerned... praying for answers for both the Grinstead and Kesse Family.

Praying for comfort for the Garguzza family.

UCFAlumni2002
06-13-2008, 11:00 AM
The CBS 48 Hours piece featuring Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead is actually scheduled for Tuesday, July 1st. I believe 10pm EST but maybe different, so check your local listings for channel and time. Hopefully this is the last change! :) Thanks!

UCFAlumni2002
06-13-2008, 11:01 AM
On another note, the Jennifer Kesse and Tiffany Sessions Missing Persons Act Bill will be signed on Wednesday, July 2nd.

UCFAlumni2002
06-13-2008, 08:18 PM
Could this be the "poi" or suspect seen parking Jennifer Kesse's car back on that fateful January morning? Thoughts???

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/clemente_garcia.jpg

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2008/06/arrest-made-in.html

Arrest made in '07 Econ Trail rape


posted by Keith W. Kohn on Jun 12, 2008 10:24:09 PM

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/images/2008/06/13/clemente_garcia.jpg (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/06/13/clemente_garcia.jpg) Sheriff's officials said a short time ago that they made an arrest in a September sexual battery case that occurred not far from where a University of Central Florida student was found slain this week.
Clemente F. Garcia, 19, was charged with sexual battery in the case.
While the case has a similar locale to the disappearance and death of 26-year-old Nicole Ganguzza, there is no connection between the two cases -- yet. Surely authorities are looking for such a link.
Here's how sheriff's Cpl. Susan Soto summarized the 2007 incident in a news release:
"In this case the victim was walking to a friend's house in the area of Econlockhatchee Trail when the suspect abducted her, forced her into a wooded area and sexually battered her. At the time of the incident DNA was recovered and submitted into the FDLE data base. This morning FDLE confirm[ed] a match on the suspect's DNA. Detectives responded to the suspects residence and arrested him without further incident."

concernedperson
06-13-2008, 08:55 PM
I think this is something to be explored. I get a hinkey feeling when I see his face. I mentioned him in the Nicole thread but was pondering the letting the other victim go and why would he kill Jennifer and Nicole and not the other victim? The usual escalation may not apply. The timing is off for escalation but the MO is the same. Rape!

Could it be that certain words or actions allow one victim to live and the others die?

He is young...19 years old. He does fit the depiction on the camera outside the apartment/condo complex where Jenn's car was found. In general, I mean.

I hope LE is really grilling him.

UM&AMWfan
06-14-2008, 03:54 AM
So they can't even dedicate an entire hour to Jen's case?? There is definitely enough mystery and intrigue for a full hour. Why are they doing 2 cases in 1 show when they ususally feature 1 case per show?

UCFAlumni2002
06-14-2008, 10:25 PM
Wish I could answer UM&AMW, however it is on earlier I believe then usual- maybe they are doing a 2 hour show??? One could hope :)

Did you look at the link I provided- think this could be our POI?

BeavisMom62
06-15-2008, 02:06 PM
The CBS 48 Hours piece scheduled for this Saturday, June 14, has been postponed. It was to feature Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead. Supposedly it was due to scheduling problems with the network, however, Tara's mom just passed away this past weekend, so that could have had something to do with it.

Will let everyone know new airdate as soon as I do.
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Thanks for posting this. I only read your post today, but I'm glad I did, I thought I was going crazy. I told my DH about this show for the past two days. He's not as interested in this stuff as I am but he goes along with it. I looked all over the TV for it and couldn't find it! I thought I had the wrong date or time. Ended up watching GoodFellas AGAIN! His favorite.

UCFAlumni2002
06-16-2008, 01:14 PM
No problem- the new airdate is Tuesday, July 1st for CBS 48 Hours featuring both Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead. Please check local listings for channel and time

UCFAlumni2002
06-16-2008, 01:16 PM
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=82620&catid=8

Parents of Jennifer Kesse watching developments in Orlando murder


Posted by Tammie Fields (tfields@tampabays10.com?subject=viewer question about an article&body=Link:http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=82620&catid=8) http://www.tampabays10.com/graphics/bullet1.gif 2 days ago


Bradenton, Florida -- Joyce Kesse says the past 28 months have been an emotional rollercoaster. She threw up her hands and said, “I don't know what I wish for at this point. Answers."

Her 24-year-old daughter Jennifer who was raised in Tampa went missing January 24th of 2006. Jennifer's black car was found at an apartment complex about a mile away from her Orlando condo. The only lead has been an unidentified man seen in surveillance video the day of her disappearance. Detectives say he was driving her car. He parked it and got out and walked away.

Joyce said, “I find that probably the most distressing and disheartening aspect. To have a suspect just as missing as Jennifer defies logic."

Now the Kesse's, who live in Bradenton, are on standby. They're watching the developing case of a University of Central Florida graduate student, Nicole Ganguzza. The newlywed went missing on Tuesday and her body was discovered 24 hours later. Orlando detectives are not releasing information on how she was killed.

Joyce hopes leads in that case could help in the case of her daughter's disappearance. "Maybe this person might be involved and if that's the case fingerprints and DNA will reveal whether or not there's a correlation."
Joyce said they're just holding on to hope at this point. "If she's alive she's 27. If she's been taken from us she's 24 forever."

Detectives in Orlando have told her they should know this weekend if the person who attacked and killed Ganguzza was involved in Jennifer's disappearance.


Tammie Fields, Tampa Bay's 10 News

UCFAlumni2002
06-16-2008, 01:18 PM
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jun/14/me-parents-seek-direction-in-arrest/

Parents Seek 'Direction' In Arrest


By VALERIE KALFRIN
The Tampa Tribune

Published: June 14, 2008

For two years, Joyce Kesse has driven "the Jen mobile" - a gold Chevrolet Trailblazer covered with photos of her smiling daughter - around the Bay area to trigger leads in her daughter's disappearance.

Gaither High School graduate Jennifer Kesse was 24 and living in Orlando when she vanished Jan. 24, 2006.

Orlando police found her black 2004 Chevy Malibu in an apartment complex about a mile from her condominium.

Friday, the Kesse family had hopes of new information from the Orlando area, where investigators questioned a man charged Thursday in a 2007 rape in Orange County.
The Orange County Sheriff's Office arrested Clemente Garcia, 20, of Orlando.
In another case, deputies found the body of a missing jogger, Nicole Ganguzza, 26, in an overgrown area of an Orange County park.

A homicide investigation is under way. Friday, the sheriff's office and Orlando police said they do not have anything to link Ganguzza's death with Kesse's disappearance.
However, Orlando homicide Sgt. Roger Brennan said it was too early to tell whether Garcia might be connected with Kesse's case.

"We're not done looking at him," Brennan said, adding that investigators have examined any crime of violence against women in the Orlando area for connections to Kesse.

Joyce Kesse and her husband, Drew, said they would follow the developments closely.

"How can we not hope that it's someone who's finally made a mistake?" Drew Kesse said. "That would give us a direction to go.
"I don't feel like we're going in any direction."

Drew Kesse said a man about 5-foot-3 to 5-foot-5 was spotted dropping off Jennifer's car at the apartment complex the week she disappeared. Since then, the family has fielded dozens of tips through a tip line, Web site and law enforcement agencies.

The family is determined to keep Jennifer's case alive. The TV show "48 Hours" plans to broadcast a segment July 1 on Jennifer's disappearance, Drew Kesse said.

Also in July, Gov. Charlie Crist will sign into law the "Jennifer Kesse-Tiffany Sessions Missing Persons Act," which establishes standards for entering information about missing people into the National Crime Information Center and other databases, as well as obtaining DNA samples from relatives.

"We have undying love for Jennifer, and we will not stop," Drew Kesse said. "Jennifer will come home someday.
"I'm not going to have my daughter in a shallow grave or in water somewhere for the rest of my life. That's just not in the cards."

News Channel 8 reporter Krista Klaus contributed to this report. Reporter Valerie Kalfrin can be reached at (813) 259-7800 or vkalfrin@tampatrib.com.

BeavisMom62
06-16-2008, 06:33 PM
I always read all of the threads before I ask a question but I've read most of the threads and can't remember. What, if any evidence, was found in Jennifer's car? If any, has the information been released? Any blood, fingerprints, fibers, anything? Sorry if this has been answered. Thank you.

Myserty64
06-16-2008, 09:49 PM
As far as I'm aware there has been official statement regarding any evidence found in the car.
However there have been rumors of both DNA and fingerprints being discovered.
One would hope this is the case.

curves
06-17-2008, 02:15 PM
http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=82620&catid=8

Parents of Jennifer Kesse watching developments in Orlando murder


Posted by Tammie Fields (tfields@tampabays10.com?subject=viewer question about an article&body=Link:http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=82620&catid=8) http://www.tampabays10.com/graphics/bullet1.gif 2 days ago


Bradenton, Florida -- Joyce Kesse says the past 28 months have been an emotional rollercoaster. She threw up her hands and said, ďI don't know what I wish for at this point. Answers."

Her 24-year-old daughter Jennifer who was raised in Tampa went missing January 24th of 2006. Jennifer's black car was found at an apartment complex about a mile away from her Orlando condo. The only lead has been an unidentified man seen in surveillance video the day of her disappearance. Detectives say he was driving her car. He parked it and got out and walked away.

Joyce said, ďI find that probably the most distressing and disheartening aspect. To have a suspect just as missing as Jennifer defies logic."

Now the Kesse's, who live in Bradenton, are on standby. They're watching the developing case of a University of Central Florida graduate student, Nicole Ganguzza. The newlywed went missing on Tuesday and her body was discovered 24 hours later. Orlando detectives are not releasing information on how she was killed.

Joyce hopes leads in that case could help in the case of her daughter's disappearance. "Maybe this person might be involved and if that's the case fingerprints and DNA will reveal whether or not there's a correlation."
Joyce said they're just holding on to hope at this point. "If she's alive she's 27. If she's been taken from us she's 24 forever."

Detectives in Orlando have told her they should know this weekend if the person who attacked and killed Ganguzza was involved in Jennifer's disappearance.


Tammie Fields, Tampa Bay's 10 News


Does this mean they do have fingerprints and DNA?

UCFAlumni2002
06-17-2008, 03:14 PM
My understanding is that they do and I feel that if her parents are alluding to it then it must be true.

drumstick
06-20-2008, 09:57 PM
I would like to urge everyone here on websleuths to watch 48 hours on July 1 and post your thoughts about Jennifer Kesse's case.

I will be reminding you as the air date approachs.

Join us as we step back and look at the facts of this case with the rest of the country.

"According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, National Crime Information Center (NCIC) there are 50,930 active missing adult cases in the United States as of January 31, 2007."

Highlighting Jennifer's abduction on a national news program is a special event: along with Tara Grinstead missing from Ocilla, Georgia.

There are 50,928 other missing adults who won't be featured that night.


findjenniferkesse.com ~ for details

~

christine2448
06-20-2008, 10:22 PM
I would like to urge everyone here on websleuths to watch 48 hours on July 1 and post your thoughts about Jennifer Kesse's case.

I will be reminding you as the air date approachs.

Join us as we step back and look at the facts of this case with the rest of the country.

"According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, National Crime Information Center (NCIC) there are 50,930 active missing adult cases in the United States as of January 31, 2007."

Highlighting Jennifer's abduction on a national news program is a special event: along with Tara Grinstead missing from Ocilla, Georgia.

There are 50,928 other missing adults who won't be featured that night.


findjenniferkesse.com ~ for details

~


Thanks a heap drum! Yes, please keep 'bumping' and reminding us so we don't miss it! :blowkiss:

UCFAlumni2002
06-23-2008, 10:59 AM
Bumping for Jenn- CBS 48 Hours next Tuesday at 9pm EST.

SeriouslySearching
06-23-2008, 11:12 AM
Thanks, UCFAlumni~

UCFAlumni2002
06-25-2008, 11:20 AM
We're now a week away from CBS 48 Hours featuring Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead next Tuesday at 9pm EST. Please check your local listings for channels and time.

Yesterday marked 2 years and 5 months since Jennifer was abducted. Please continue to keep her and her family and friends in your thoughts and prayers. Sending positive thoughts and prayers to the Kesse's and Grinstead's.

fran
06-25-2008, 11:27 AM
We're now a week away from CBS 48 Hours featuring Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead next Tuesday at 9pm EST. Please check your local listings for channels and time.

Yesterday marked 2 years and 5 months since Jennifer was abducted. Please continue to keep her and her family and friends in your thoughts and prayers. Sending positive thoughts and prayers to the Kesse's and Grinstead's.

Wow! Thanks for the heads-up! I didn't know these programs were going to be on. I'll be sure to watch. I've followed both of these cases.

fran

UCFAlumni2002
06-27-2008, 11:34 AM
From TV Guide Website... Tuesday, July 1st at 9pm EST/8pm CST... check local listings for times and channels

CBS 48 Hours
Episode Detail: Stolen Beauty - 48 Hours Mystery
The disappearances of two women, one a teacher and the other a financial analyst, are investigated.

This is the CBS 48 Hours show featuring Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead. Please be sure to tune in. Hopefully, someone will make the call that help to bring answers to the Kesse and Grinstead Families.

RR0004
06-28-2008, 12:46 AM
From TV Guide Website... Tuesday, July 1st at 9pm EST/8pm CST... check local listings for times and channels

CBS 48 Hours
Episode Detail: Stolen Beauty - 48 Hours Mystery
The disappearances of two women, one a teacher and the other a financial analyst, are investigated.

This is the CBS 48 Hours show featuring Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead. Please be sure to tune in. Hopefully, someone will make the call that help to bring answers to the Kesse and Grinstead Families.
Oh...I do pray it will.

UCFAlumni2002
06-29-2008, 04:26 PM
Two more days until CBS 48 Hours features Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead.

close_enough
06-29-2008, 06:13 PM
Two more days until CBS 48 Hours features Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead.

cool!....glad i noticed this thread...& like Christine posted, please keep bumping this one up till Tuesday:)

SeriouslySearching
06-29-2008, 07:00 PM
I am anxious to watch this one. Thanks for the reminder again! :)

concernedperson
06-29-2008, 07:09 PM
I am anxious to watch this one. Thanks for the reminder again! :)

Please report in real time for those of us with no cable. Thanks.

UCFAlumni2002
06-30-2008, 12:04 AM
From my understanding, they are going to feature Tara Grinstead in the first half and Jennifer Kesse in the 2nd half. If you do not have cable, but have any way of getting just network tv, it will be on your local CBS channel at 9p est/8p central.

I will do my best to report in real time, but might need help from someone else. thanks

UCFAlumni2002
06-30-2008, 10:37 AM
Bumping for Jenn... tomorrow night CBS 48 Hours- 9pm EST. Check local listings for time and channels.

SeriouslySearching
06-30-2008, 11:49 AM
I would be glad to help you if I am available. :)

UCFAlumni2002
06-30-2008, 03:06 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml

Stolen Beauty

June 30, 2008 (CBS) Former beauty queen Tara Grinstead was a beloved school teacher in Irwin County, Ga., with aspirations of becoming a high school principal, when she vanished from her home in October 2005. There were no signs of forced entry, no sign of a struggle and only her pocketbook and keys were missing.

But investigators suspected foul play when a latex glove was discovered in her front yard. Now, two and a half years later, Georgia authorities prepare to reveal new information to 48 Hours that could solve the Tara Grinstead case. And our cameras follow the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to Florida, where they explore a possible connection between this eerie disappearance and another troubling case, in Orlando.

Three months after Grinstead's disappearance, Jennifer Kesse vanished from her Orlando, Fla., home. Like Tara, Jennifer was young, beautiful and successful. And like Tara, there was no sign of forced entry, no sign of a struggle and only Jennifer's keys and purse were missing. Similarly, investigators uncovered a clue that they believe is essential to solving their case - grainy surveillance footage showing an unidentified shadowy figure, who authorities believe could be Kesse's abductor, emerging from her car.

Two women, nearly 300 miles apart, vanish without a trace and each investigation holds a clue that could be the key to cracking their case.

Correspondent Peter Van Sant reports on the case this Tuesday, July 1, at 9 p.m. ET/PT.



Produced by Katherine Davis
© MMVIII, CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.

arielilane
06-30-2008, 06:52 PM
You guys are GREAT with all the reminders. Thank you! I saw this was going to be shown after watching 48 Hours Mystery this past Saturday, but forgot about it. I need to go set my DVR right NOW!

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2008/06/26/image4212474g.jpg (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml)

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 11:25 AM
Tonight- tune in to CBS's 48 Hours at 9pm ET/PT and 8pm Central. Thanks!

close_enough
07-01-2008, 02:36 PM
tonight- tune in to cbs's 48 hours at 9pm et/pt and 8pm central. Thanks!

bump!

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 05:21 PM
Bumping again-=- it;s 5:21 est--- we're only 3 hours and 39 minutes from CBS 48 Hours on the east coast

arielilane
07-01-2008, 08:26 PM
You guys are GREAT with all the reminders. Thank you! I saw this was going to be shown after watching 48 Hours Mystery this past Saturday, but forgot about it. I need to go set my DVR right NOW!

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2008/06/26/image4212474g.jpg (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml)Just 34 more minutes (EST) to go!

drumstick
07-01-2008, 08:48 PM
I'm here with you. One eye on the tv and the other on the monitor.

Thank you for all the great reminders for everyone to watch tonight.

Can't wait to hear your thoughts after the program....

~

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 09:05 PM
Beginning:

- Tara went missing Oct 24, 2005... 3 mths later to the day Jennifer Kesse went missing. Tara's case defined as "complex & difficult"... latex glove found in Tara's front yard.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 09:14 PM
Tara last seen around 11pm on Sat Oct 22nd... reported missing Mon morning October 24th-- 34 hrs later. Described herself as a "happy person". Won Miss Tifton in 1999. She was a teacher and went to grad school at night.

When police chief first got there, car still in carport, no signs of forced entry or struggle in house.

Two things: latex glove found in yard and also a business card wedged in front door.

Cell phone was in charger but purse and keys missing.

Clothes that she was wearing when she was last seen were found in the house, so made it home from a cookout that she was at that night...

oki-back on

concernedperson
07-01-2008, 09:19 PM
Thanks so much. I am waiting for your reports.

Myserty64
07-01-2008, 09:20 PM
Nice work UCF. Many thanks.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 09:27 PM
commercial time...

Described by family and friends as "least likely person to just disappear"- GBI feels same

Immediately fliers created and massive extensive search began... GBI guy states the most extensive he's seen in his 27 years.

No one heard any screams that weekend so question is did she possibly leave with someone she knew?

GBI id'd any romantic boyfriend-- several relationshiops...
most recent ex boyfriend was a former cop/army ranger... 6 yr relationship- described as stormy but always was in love with him.
2 weeks before she vanished, he told her relationship was over (Marcus)... she was sad and crying because she wanted to marry him one day.

He went on Greta and said that he saw her week before she disappeared and said that she was crying and irrational and ex said that Tara told him that if they couldnt be together would commit suicide...

GBI does not think she committed suicide- body would have been found by now- hard to hide your own body.

More to come..

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 09:38 PM
I cant type quick enough- lol

SeriouslySearching
07-01-2008, 09:42 PM
You are doing a great job, U! Sorry I am late! While I ran to watch...I forgot I told you I would help you report! Hugs~

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 09:42 PM
Ex had alibi that he was at bar with friends and then went riding around town with friend who was a cop... alibi corruporated so far... for Tara

Former student of hers had violent outburst in March 2005 in which police report made.. Anthony Vickers--- tried to force his way into Tara's house... possibly became obsessive.
He knocked excessively on doors and windows using vulgar language- appeared to be out of control-- GBI has yet to draw connection...

Business card left on door---
actually that of a police officer from another town who was married...
According to neighbor he was a frequent visitor.
Weekend that Tara disappeared he actually came by on Sunday... and had left 2 dozen messages on her phone.

NO ONE has been ruled out--- no one has alibis for all 34 hrs...

family said "piece of puzzle missing that will bring answers"

New evidence is with that of the latex glove---- They have DNA and fingerprint--- DNA is Male Profile...

Out of 100 people they DNA tested that were connected to Tara in some way- no DNA or fingerprints of theirs matches... yet no one ruled out as possibly 3rd party involved- accomplice...

SeriouslySearching
07-01-2008, 09:49 PM
They haven't reported on anything that we haven't covered here at all. They still contend the height of the POI is between 5 ft. 3 in. and 5 ft. 6 in. and LE says the clothing is that of a worker of some kind such a painter.

I didn't give you a blow by blow report because I came in too late, but there is nothing new in their report. Rob is not considered a suspect since his phone was pinging where he lived and he did go to work 2 1/2 hours away.

Two years after her disappearance, her family and friends are still looking for her. Detectives have followed up on over a 1,000 leads in 50 states.

Rob never told Jenn he loved her. (I find this odd personally.)

The Kesse and Grinstead teams met up to compare notes and found nothing after 3 hours to connect the cases in any way.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 09:55 PM
Now onto Jenn...

GBI sees possible similaritiies- possible link... young attractive successful.

described as "vibrant and full of life" by her mom, Joyce

Lauren- best friend since 2nd grade

Logan- lil brother with typical brother/sister relationship--- relationship became closer when she moved to Orlando for college and living there.

Safety Conscious- Jenn carried mace and a safety whistle. She always had her phone on her- practiced "safe calls"- called on way to car from store, car to house, etc.

All going great- recently bought condo, promoted at work, and good relationship with Rob Allen of Ft Lauderdale for 1 year.

Had just gone on vacation with Rob to St Croix-- flew back (took plane- not cruise!) on Sunday 1/22 to Ft Lauderdale where Rob lives... left Rob's at 6am on Mon 1/23 and went to work. They talked that night around 10pm when Jenn said she was going to bed.

Last time anyone heard from her.

Tuesday morning 1/24/06- mom gets call- Jenn failed to show to work

more soon

RR0004
07-01-2008, 10:06 PM
Just finished watching and can't stop crying. These cases so tug at your heart. Please someone (!!!) come forward...these families need their daughters back.
Jenn, Tara...you're in my prayers...

PS- also thought it odd the bf never said he loved her...after a year?
PPS- ex bf of Tara's looked bored talking about her (P.O.C)

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 10:13 PM
She had meeting that morning- asked if there was a family emergency.

Immediately family knew something was wrong as her phone was never off.

Mom called manager of complex and asked for them to check- door locked, Jenn not there- car missing...

Mom called Logan crying- Jenn's missing-- they all left to head to Orlando- over 2 hours away...

Logan got to apartment- apartment clean/ blow dryer out/ shower wet- no signs of forced entry or struggle. Jenn's luggage still there.

Her purse, keys and cell phone are gone.

No activity on atm card, no pings...

by 7pm, police enter her missing in system and put out an alert for her and her car

Police find out that Logan and a few of his friends stayed at condo over weekend and a friend left cell phone behind..

By 11pm, police had started checking fedex locations for Jenn or her car... they id'd and checked 9 fedex locations near jenn's condo. CHecked video for footage of Jenn or her car and did not find either.

concernedperson
07-01-2008, 10:13 PM
Just finished watching and can't stop crying. These cases so tug at your heart. Please someone (!!!) come forward...these families need their daughters back.
Jenn, Tara...you're in my prayers...

PS- also thought it odd the bf never said he loved her...after a year?
PPS- ex bf of Tara's looked bored talking about her (P.O.C)

I understand completely as I have lived this case for way over 2 years. With Tara's mom dying recently and that heartache I am very heartbroken. This is a very complicated.

arielilane
07-01-2008, 10:18 PM
(CBS) Tara Grinstead, an 11th grade history teacher in Ocilla, Ga., disappeared without a trace in October 2005. Three months later, another young woman, Jennifer Kesse, also vanished in Orlando, Fla.

There were some similarities in the cases, leading investigators to wonder: are these disappearances somehow linked?



Student Dana Wilder remembers feeling a sense of dread when she heard an announcement in school that teacher Tara Grinstead should report to the office.

Dana was sitting in class at Irwin County High School on that Monday, Oct. 24, 2005. "I knew something was up then. I knew Tara would just not come to school. I think it got all the student's minds worried," Dana remembers.

Besides being a beloved teacher, 30-year-old Tara was also a mentor and friend to Dana, especially when it came to Tara's passion for beauty pageants.

Just two days earlier, Dana had been at Tara's house with some other girls to get ready for a big local event in this small town, the "Miss Georgia Sweet Potato" pageant. "She was in a great mood. Which of course, whenever she did hair and makeup for any pageant girls she was in a great mood," Dana remembers.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml

Myserty64
07-01-2008, 10:21 PM
Thanks for the updates.
I still cannot see a link in the two cases.

By what I have read here there are many issues that were not addressed in Jennifer's case.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 10:24 PM
Fliers immediately created-- put on every door, car, passed out on corners, etc.

No trace of Jenn- no bank records, cell phone records, epass, etc.

No one heard anything..

Police said "someone like her doesn't just disappear"

she was concerned for her safety--- police determined she was abducted... door locked--- so they feel she made it outside her condo at least.

ROB NOT SUSPECT-- alibi holds up- at work and phone pings to ft lauderdale.

Car parked 1 mile away--- parked, backed up and reparked. Person stayed in car for about 35 seconds. then calmly strolls away.

Not sure if luck or calculated choice of complex.

Security camera- not streaming video-- took stills every 3 seconds...

Police still saying 5'3-5'5 (AAAGGHH!)

They feel "he"- (maybe she??!) is a painter or construction worker

Car- no blood, no struggle... DVD player left in backseat... became clear wasnt robbery, carjacking etc...

"Item of Desire was Jenn"

Dog tracked back to complex

Jenn was concerned about the workers at complex- stated they would stop and give her "leering" stares.

They were staying in units- mostly day laborers.. traveled in groups.

447 units- only half occupied when Jenn went missing. Workers allowed to live there.

"Person in photo is key to finding Jenn" per police

Lauren- her best friend- said that Jenn had a fear of being taken and not being found

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 10:25 PM
OPD has received over 1000 tips from all 50 states, but still no Jenn...

GBI comparing notes- but doesnt appear that cases are related.. Kesse's is stranger abduction is what police feel.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 10:26 PM
That was all the notes I took--- I think that I'm most frustrated that they could have done SOOOO much more in Jenn's but it appears that OPD is keeping it to the vest- i.e. polygraph given to whom??? etc.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 10:28 PM
I honestly dont think it's odd that Jenn's boyfriend didn't say I love you after a year.... I have friends in the same boat... Just because he didnt say it doesnt mean anything.

RR0004
07-01-2008, 10:40 PM
I honestly dont think it's odd that Jenn's boyfriend didn't say I love you after a year.... I have friends in the same boat... Just because he didnt say it doesnt mean anything.
Thanks...as he said...he wished he had.

Thanks for succintly reporting all. I'm of the mind it was someone who was working at the condos.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 10:57 PM
There have been so many thoughts that run through my mind- but your right- it does come back to the condos a lot.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 11:07 PM
Intuition.... listen to your gut... that's what I'm taking away from this

concernedperson
07-01-2008, 11:14 PM
Intuition.... listen to your gut... that's what I'm taking away from this

I have said from the beginning that I thought it a maintenance worker or construction worker. Nothing has changed my mind since. Given the fact that there are so many illegals this person could have been gone in a day back to their home country. The employer may never have known the person's name or been able to identify them at all.

UCFAlumni2002
07-01-2008, 11:20 PM
God how I wish something- anything- would bring some sort of an answer--- ideally the miracle- but just an answer- closure for Jenn, her family and friends.

concernedperson
07-01-2008, 11:23 PM
God how I wish something- anything- would bring some sort of an answer--- ideally the miracle- but just an answer- closure for Jenn, her family and friends.

I know, hon, I live these horrible cases with no closure. It is so heartbreaking.

Myserty64
07-01-2008, 11:57 PM
Concernedperson has it right I do believe:


I have said from the beginning that I thought it a maintenance worker or construction worker. Nothing has changed my mind since. Given the fact that there are so many illegals this person could have been gone in a day back to their home country. The employer may never have known the person's name or been able to identify them at all.

I don't like raining on parades but there seems little hope this case will be solved, ever.
And I repeat, this program could have asked a lot more questions.

Myserty64
07-02-2008, 12:50 AM
In the early days of the investigation I remember hearing there were empty condos in the vicinity of where Jennifer was living.

Since we are now aware that workers at Mosaic were allowed to live in unoccupied condos a question comes to mind.

Did any workers move into a condo right by Jennifer's one immediately before her abduction?
Is it possible that upon leaving her own condo that morning she was immediately forced into another one? Does this expain the lack of witnesses?

Was there a gang of abductors?
Did one of them, later that morning, drop the car 'down the road' at HOTG and walk back to Mosaic?

RR0004
07-02-2008, 12:58 AM
In the early days of the investigation I remember hearing there were empty condos in the vicinity of where Jennifer was living.

Since we are now aware that workers at Mosaic were allowed to live in unoccupied condos a question comes to mind.

Did any workers move into a condo right by Jennifer's one immediately before her abduction?
Is it possible that upon leaving her own condo that morning she was immediately forced into another one? Does this expain the lack of witnesses?

Was there a gang of abductors?
Did one of them, later that morning, drop the car 'down the road' at HOTG and walk back to Mosaic?
I was thinking also that there may be someone else involved with the person who calmly walked away from the car...as if he was helping to dispose of it. Did they ever find prints on that VCR(?) player in the back of the car? They said it hadn't been stolen...was it Jenn's?

RR0004
07-02-2008, 01:01 AM
LE did mention it was virtually impossible to keep track of the day laborers. Whoever did this could be long gone out of the country. Hopefully, if that's the case and there's someone who knows what may have happened, this person has a conscience and will step forward.

UM&AMWfan
07-02-2008, 03:04 AM
It's VERY creepy that Jen's best friend said that Jen had a fear that she would be taken and never be found! It's almost like Jen had a preminition that this would happen to her.

This whole deal about day laborers is strange because I've seen day laborers in subdivision, condos, and apartments doing work and there is no report of a abduction/murder. There are Mexican day laborers all over the place and I'm sure just like any other man they may whistle at hot women but that doesn't mean they end up missing/abducted.

You think Jen just had some REALLY bad luck?

The guy who did this should be
:behindbar

Myserty64
07-02-2008, 07:09 AM
In this life, if you are terribly unlucky, you cross paths with the wrong person at the wrong time.
This appears to have been Jennifer's misfortune.

believe09
07-02-2008, 07:29 AM
Are the comments concerning the shoes on the individual seen in the tape because of the break in the shoe when the person is walking?

MCDRAW
07-02-2008, 08:10 AM
I thought the shoe looked like a woman's shoe. Maybe just because it was a small person with a small foot.

Myserty64
07-02-2008, 08:27 AM
I thought it looked like a small person with a big foot.

In my mind it is a male. The length of stride indicates this.

believe09
07-02-2008, 09:33 AM
i think the stride looks military, but then again it could be the delay between the image being taken...i actually thought it was a woman, except the stride is so big...I am like the others who stated it looks like there is hair tucked up under a cap.

The special said that the dogs tracked "a scent" back to Jennifer's complex, right? That the only prints in the vehicle were Jennifers, but there was 35 seconds between when the car was parked and when the person left the vehicle. I am assuming that the person was removing gloves of some kind...is there a test that picks up latex from gloves on anything? you know that surgical gloves/medical gloves have that smell and kind of residue so that hands can slip in or out? just wonderin'.

gaia227
07-02-2008, 10:00 AM
What dumb luck that person had to just happen to get caught both times with his face obstructed. God, it is so frustrating. It is amazing that whoever drove her car did not leave behind any clothing fibers, paint chips, hair, etc just from sitting in the drivers seat.

I also think it was a construction worker. This person saw her every day, they knew her movements - when she came home, they had time to scope her apt, etc. The other day one of the workers working on remodeling the apt across from me knocked on my door and since I have direct access to the fire escape he said he needed to access it for some reason or another and without a thought I let him in. I kicked myself over and over later for being so careless. It just made me think how easy it could have been for one of them to access her apartment or approach her in the parking lot.

I have always believed the person was either in her car or ambushed her once she got in the car and jumped in the backseat, put a gun to her head and told her to drive.

UCFAlumni2002
07-02-2008, 10:26 AM
I agree- that was probably the two things that stuck out to me- the fact that she said that the workers would stop and leeringly stare at her which made her feel uncomfortable, and the fact that she had a fear of being taken and not being found.

PandaJ
07-02-2008, 10:29 AM
Hi guys,

I'm more of a lurker than a poster here on WS, but I watched 48 Hours last night on the Jennifer Kesse and Tara Grinstead cases, and just had to post. Seeing Jennifer's mom, dad, and brother talk about her and the pain of their loss was just heartbreaking.

The fact that she was so safety-conscious, and even told her family how she was creeped out by the construction workers just breaks my heart! Her friend said she carried mace with her, and obviously she didn't even get a chance to use it. I'm wondering if she was assaulted from behind in her car, too, and then was forced to drive somewhere. That scenario makes the most sense to me.

I just can't believe she hasn't been found yet. Hopefully, some new leads will come in from the airing of the show.

jmo

gigi103
07-02-2008, 01:42 PM
Watching the show last night I was reminded of the actress Adrienne Shelley's murder in NYC. Her killer, Diego Pilico, was a 19-year-old Equadorian worker doing work in her apt. building. He was only five feet tall. I think it's interesting that the figure in white photographed getting rid of Jennifer Kesse's car is estimated to be between 5'2" - 5'3". That seems uncommonly small for American men, right? I don't want to offend, but I wonder if the small stature of the man on the tape may add fuel to the Mexican worker theory? Is their average height lower? Just thinking out loud here... The figure on the tape seemed so slightly built to me. Is everyone in agreement that it's definitely a male?

gaia227
07-02-2008, 02:01 PM
Hi gigi and welcome to WS! I remember Adrienne Shelley's murder very well and it is reminiscent.
I don't think it is offensive or racist to suggest what you are suggesting - it is being realistic. Latino and Hispanic men tend to be of smaller stature. I live in a prodominantely Dominican neighborhood and being 5'11 I am towering over almost everyone. But on the flip side on of my best friends who is a caucasian male is 5'3 so of course there is the possibility it could be short male from any race of nationality.

I have always thought it looked like a man but I know some people have questioned the gender.

UCFAlumni2002
07-02-2008, 02:08 PM
According to the Orlando Sentinel, "CBS' "48 Hours" -- with a report about missing Orlando woman Jennifer Kesse -- was the choice of 7.6 million."

So good exposure for Jenn's case :)

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/07/americas-got-ta.html

RR0004
07-02-2008, 07:09 PM
Watching the show last night I was reminded of the actress Adrienne Shelley's murder in NYC. Her killer, Diego Pilico, was a 19-year-old Equadorian worker doing work in her apt. building. He was only five feet tall. I think it's interesting that the figure in white photographed getting rid of Jennifer Kesse's car is estimated to be between 5'2" - 5'3". That seems uncommonly small for American men, right? I don't want to offend, but I wonder if the small stature of the man on the tape may add fuel to the Mexican worker theory? Is their average height lower? Just thinking out loud here... The figure on the tape seemed so slightly built to me. Is everyone in agreement that it's definitely a male?
It reminded me of that as well. It was a horrible murder.

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:43 PM
I thought it looked like a small person with a big foot.

In my mind it is a male. The length of stride indicates this.I have always agree with it being a male, but that person is NOT that small. The foot does look large to me because of the scale to the body.

SeriouslySearching
07-02-2008, 09:45 PM
I think they need to go back to the robberies in that complex before Jenn moved in. They were robberies done with a master key (pass key).

I have always thought it was possible she was shuffled into a nearby apartment and her car was parked in a garage unit on the property until later when it could be moved.

concernedperson
07-02-2008, 09:51 PM
I think they need to go back to the robberies in that complex before Jenn moved in. They were robberies done with a master key (pass key).

I have always thought it was possible she was shuffled into a nearby apartment and her car was parked in a garage unit on the property until later when it could be moved.

I think this a very important aspect of the case. Since LE didn't check all the units originally she could have been hurt there. It would be very easy for the perp to transfer her to a van designated as a work vehicle. I don't think she ever got into her car before it was found in the other close by apartment complex.I think it was moved after to derail. JMO.

trixie
07-02-2008, 10:07 PM
I thought it looked like a small person with a big foot.

In my mind it is a male. The length of stride indicates this.

I think it is a woman. The clothes to me look like what a house painter wears. The shoes look too big for the person but if they are work boots this person may have bought on sale and taken a size larger. I don't see the shoe size matching up with the body size. Also I think she was walking fast and that would make her stride wider. Think about it, when you walk fast you have a wider stride. I'm sure she was walking fast to get away from the vehicle asap. I think i definetly see hair tucked up underneath her hat.

That being said I wonder if they checked out all of Jennifers boyfriends former girlfriends. If someone was jealous and keeping track of him she woud know they just took a long vacation together and that could have sparked a jealous rage. I think for sure this person was lying in wait for Jennifer to return home. Maybe she thought she would eliminate the competition.

caramia311
07-02-2008, 11:09 PM
If the bloodhound traced the driver of the car back to the apartment building, is it likely that the person walked or rode a bike back to the complex.

I don't know the area well, but are there other surveillance videos -- even small ones on ATMs -- that might have picked up an image of the person? Is the route from the car to the apartment building a pedestrian area.

shwa
07-03-2008, 09:35 AM
Please go to Google Earth and go to Orlando. Next put in Mall at Millenia and you will see Jenn's condo ( Mosaic ) on the north sie of the road. Next go to the east, which is right and very quickly you will see HOTG which is where her car was dropped off.
It's a straight path, just two long blocks away, on the same side of the road.
This gives an excellent view of the area between Mosaic condos and where her car was found.

UCFAlumni2002
07-03-2008, 06:46 PM
I know I might be the odd person out, but I'm back to the worker theory.

RR0004
07-03-2008, 08:38 PM
I know I might be the odd person out, but I'm back to the worker theory.
I'm there with you.

Myserty64
07-03-2008, 08:56 PM
I'm with the worker too. I also think the worker came from and is now back outside of the USA.
I have thought this for a long time but it doesn't mean I'm correct.

trixie
07-03-2008, 09:32 PM
But couldn't the worker be a female? i'm not against the worker theory, it actually makes the most sense, but damn it sure looks like a female to me.

UM&AMWfan
07-04-2008, 02:29 AM
I think they need to go back to the robberies in that complex before Jenn moved in. They were robberies done with a master key (pass key).

I have always thought it was possible she was shuffled into a nearby apartment and her car was parked in a garage unit on the property until later when it could be moved.

WHOA! Didn't they change the locks before Jen moved in???!?? If they didn't then that opens up some entirely new scenarios of what could have happened.

Jen could've been actually abducted in her apartment instead of near her car. They could knocked her out and put her in something to take her outisde, like a trash bag or can. But didn't anyone see anything like that around there? Like a large object being moved out of Jen's apartment that day?

They could've put her in a van or something then to one of those vacant condos you guys said the workers were allowed to use? There they could've done whatever they did to her but wouldn't neighbors or people on the street heard her scream or just some commotion?? Wouldn't it have alerted someone if they just took her to another condo in the same area?? It would almost make more sense if they just took her away from the condos to a different area.

Did Jenn have a deadbolt on her door? Is there any way of telling if she had it on that night?

shwa
07-04-2008, 06:45 AM
This is not a robber that escalated to a very serious crime such as this one.
Also i have doubts that a person such as the one seen in the poi pics was strong enough to carry anyone the size of Jenn.
I always though the perp(s) walked back to Jenn's condo from HOTG to retrieve their vehicle.

UM&AMWfan
07-05-2008, 12:33 AM
I missed the 48 Hours with Jenn on Tuesday. Anyone know when they will repeat it?

Straitfan
07-05-2008, 02:14 AM
Ditto, I also think it was a worker on the building... Not sure why they cannot track who was working there at the time. Didn't appear to me to be someone from another country, looked like a white, thin male, somewhere in late 30's or so.

arielilane
07-05-2008, 01:16 PM
Why haven't the police checked every construction worker that worked there and lived there at the time of Jennifer's disappearance? Why were they not able to search the apartments of the workers that lived there besides the fact they owned some of the units? Were they not able to get a warrant to search them?

I feel extremely sad for Jennifer's brother.

arielilane
07-05-2008, 01:18 PM
I think there was more than one construction worker involved. jmo

arielilane
07-05-2008, 01:20 PM
I missed the 48 Hours with Jenn on Tuesday. Anyone know when they will repeat it?
I don't know when they will repeat it UM, but here is the whole transcript from the show.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml

concernedperson
07-05-2008, 01:25 PM
I don't know when they will repeat it UM, but here is the whole transcript from the show.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml

Also if you click on Full Shows on the left then you will be able to watch the show in its entirety. There isn't a direct link to the video but I have watched it several times.

arielilane
07-05-2008, 01:29 PM
I haven't followed this story much since it first happened, but I'm beginning to think Jennifer's parent might want to bring suit against the apartment owner due to the security and safety (lack of) of this apartment building. Just hearing about how the construction workers would stand around and look is not acceptable behavior and should not be tolerated. I wonder if Jennifer ever complained to the apt. manager and not just to her friends.

arielilane
07-05-2008, 01:31 PM
Also if you click on Full Shows on the left then you will be able to watch the show in its entirety. There isn't a direct link to the video but I have watched it several times.
Thank you CP!:)

Sustained
07-05-2008, 09:04 PM
1st post - can someone tell me whether the Orlando police checked out the surveillance videos from the local 7-Elevens ? Short term/migrant workers tend to frequent them morning, noon & evening - especially lunchtime. I know of one specifically on Conroy Road, just north of the I-4 overpass.

LillyRush
07-06-2008, 04:58 PM
Also if you click on Full Shows on the left then you will be able to watch the show in its entirety. There isn't a direct link to the video but I have watched it several times.

I didn't realize that either, thanks!

ckhagen
07-06-2008, 05:06 PM
I've always watched this case and recently, something happened up here in NWFL, that made me think of it.

A woman was raped and beaten in the stairwell of a rather new condo. She was an employee of the condo and from the "rumors" I've heard (they're a little better than pure rumor), she said the assailant smelled like paint. So I think they may have to look into the direction of painters who were in the building recently or at the time. I wonder if there could be any connection...

Deborah1012
07-06-2008, 05:35 PM
Why haven't the police checked every construction worker that worked there and lived there at the time of Jennifer's disappearance?

Because many of them were day workers. I see those around here often. They wait on the same street corner (most likely illegals) and people who need construction help come and pick them up and they do a day's work. It's very difficult to track any worker of this type.

RR0004
07-06-2008, 06:31 PM
I've always watched this case and recently, something happened up here in NWFL, that made me think of it.

A woman was raped and beaten in the stairwell of a rather new condo. She was an employee of the condo and from the "rumors" I've heard (they're a little better than pure rumor), she said the assailant smelled like paint. So I think they may have to look into the direction of painters who were in the building recently or at the time. I wonder if there could be any connection...
It would also be interesting to know if they have similar management companies...as they may draw from the same worker base.

Didn't Jenn work for a condo management company?

RR0004
07-06-2008, 06:32 PM
Because many of them were day workers. I see those around here often. They wait on the same street corner (most likely illegals) and people who need construction help come and pick them up and they do a day's work. It's very difficult to track any worker of this type.
I thought about this last night...has anyone been staked out at these "known" places to see if anyone fitting the description shows up?

LillyRush
07-06-2008, 06:39 PM
Because many of them were day workers. I see those around here often. They wait on the same street corner (most likely illegals) and people who need construction help come and pick them up and they do a day's work. It's very difficult to track any worker of this type.

It's a problem now because it's years later and, yes, now they could be anywhere. If there were "day laborers" staying overnight, as they say in unoccupied units, with no accountabilty - no roster of names - nothing? -then that's another security problem in and of itself that they had.

From what it sounds like it was the same group of workers who remained on site working and living there. Golden opportunity to get information. That is not the same as someone getting random work one day and fading off into the night after a days work of labor.

It should have been easy to get their names and statements, etc. But obviously that never happened. That is le's fault. It's also their fault that so many people were in and out of Jennifer's condo, which caused them to claim that they couldn't use any of the forensic evidence found in there. This is really disappointing because all of this time they have made it sound like the only evidence was that surveillance tape. When really, they did have enough reason to look closer at the workers and in other areas of the condo building. They didn't do it.

concernedperson
07-06-2008, 06:53 PM
It may not be too late to look. If they can determine which units were vacant or occupied by workers at the time then possibly there is some evidence that can be gleaned. I know it would be disruptive if the units are currently occupied by residents but blood trace evidence can be found. And, that could match up to Jenn.

The other thought is to hound the person responsible for the laborers assigned to the project. Even if he/she doesn't recognize the surveillance pic a supervisor on the project would as I feel the person that took Jenn knew enough about her to be there for a couple of weeks. She was on vacation just prior to the abduction so they had to have been there before to know which car was hers and her habits.

I know it is hard to pinpoint transient workers but this worker was there long enough that someone knows something. IMO.

N8tiveNYR
07-06-2008, 07:14 PM
Why haven't the police checked every construction worker that worked there and lived there at the time of Jennifer's disappearance?

On the 48 Hours program, Sgt. Roger Brennan addressed locating the particular crew of workers that labored in the condo when Jennifer disappeared. He described the task as "difficult", but did not elaborate. IMO, the crew probably consisted of untraceable illegals and somehow the police did not act soon enough to get information about the workers.

Around 2006, here in NYC, a young actress/director named Adrienne Shelly was murdered in her apartment by a young man who was part of a crew working in her building. He was an illegal immigrant from - I'm guessing - Ecuador. Apparently, she complained about the noise level of the work being done and he got angry. He staged the murder to look as if she had committed suicide. The police acted immediately and were able to apprehend the killer and obtain a confession.

ckhagen
07-06-2008, 07:34 PM
It would also be interesting to know if they have similar management companies...as they may draw from the same worker base.

Didn't Jenn work for a condo management company?

I wouldn't think it could be the same because the ownership of the building I'm referring to is a large, but very local company. However, a lot of these contracting immigrant workers have been displaced by the downturn in the market. So, it wouldn't be outside the realm of possibilities that workers who were in the southern parts of the state a couple years ago, could have moved up here if we have more work available. We're only 6.5-7 hours away.

RR0004
07-06-2008, 11:01 PM
On the 48 Hours program, Sgt. Roger Brennan addressed locating the particular crew of workers that labored in the condo when Jennifer disappeared. He described the task as "difficult", but did not elaborate. IMO, the crew probably consisted of untraceable illegals and somehow the police did not act soon enough to get information about the workers.

Around 2006, here in NYC, a young actress/director named Adrienne Shelly was murdered in her apartment by a young man who was part of a crew working in her building. He was an illegal immigrant from - I'm guessing - Ecuador. Apparently, she complained about the noise level of the work being done and he got angry. He staged the murder to look as if she had committed suicide. The police acted immediately and were able to apprehend the killer and obtain a confession.
OT-That was terrible...so sad to see her movie after her death...The man was sentenced this past spring. The police also found shoe prints which fortunately led them to her killer. She had caught this guy trying to steal money from her purse.

On topic- somebody knows something...and I wish they would step forward.

caramia311
07-07-2008, 12:02 AM
I haven't followed this story much since it first happened, but I'm beginning to think Jennifer's parent might want to bring suit against the apartment owner due to the security and safety (lack of) of this apartment building. Just hearing about how the construction workers would stand around and look is not acceptable behavior and should not be tolerated. I wonder if Jennifer ever complained to the apt. manager and not just to her friends.

I wonder if there is any further information that the family might be able to obtain through the discovery process of a civil litigation (documents, deposition testimony, etc.)

Myserty64
07-07-2008, 12:31 AM
The investigation in this case was very slow out of the blocks resulting in the perpetrator having almost 48 hours start for his getaway or whatever else he had planned.
It seems there are no witnesses to the abduction and nobody saw Jennifer's car leave Mosaic; not even the gate guard. It appears nobody heard anything either.

It is worth remembering that in the first few weeks of the investigation the lead detective said 'this is as close to a vanishing as I have seen.'

LE just doesn't have much to work on.

Where is Jennifer? Probably not far from Mosaic but there has been no trace of her or her belongings.
I wonder if she never left the grounds at Mosaic.

This is a very sad and frustrating case.

Bobbisangel
07-07-2008, 02:31 AM
It's a problem now because it's years later and, yes, now they could be anywhere. If there were "day laborers" staying overnight, as they say in unoccupied units, with no accountabilty - no roster of names - nothing? -then that's another security problem in and of itself that they had.

From what it sounds like it was the same group of workers who remained on site working and living there. Golden opportunity to get information. That is not the same as someone getting random work one day and fading off into the night after a days work of labor.

It should have been easy to get their names and statements, etc. But obviously that never happened. That is le's fault. It's also their fault that so many people were in and out of Jennifer's condo, which caused them to claim that they couldn't use any of the forensic evidence found in there. This is really disappointing because all of this time they have made it sound like the only evidence was that surveillance tape. When really, they did have enough reason to look closer at the workers and in other areas of the condo building. They didn't do it.


I've always thought that it was one of the workers too. I don't know how he would have gotten her out of there besides meeting up with her at her car and forcing her to get in and drive. I don't think that he kept her around there because that would have been to risky.

Because the behavior of some of the workers bothered Jennifer it seems that is the first place LE would have looked. They had all of the workers right there and would have known if one of them suddenly decided not to show up for work after Jennifer disappeared...like quit working there. I agree that LE really botched this case up.

As far as the video of the person walking by the apts where Jennifer's car was found...that person might have just been someone walking by and not even related to the case. I think the person who took Jennifer headed towards the back of the apts so that he could go down and around the back of the apts and into the back of Jennifer's condo place. That is the route the dogs followed if I remember right. I think he was headed back over to the condo's to pick up his own vehicle or to go back to work. I wonder what time he dropped her car off. Could it have been his lunch hour or in the morning before work or after work?

I've even wondered if the killer couldn't be someone who lives at the condo's or was seeing someone there but had his eye on Jennifer. Maybe someone who left for work about the same time that she did so he saw her every morning. I wonder if any single guys lived there? Her disappearance is such a mystery and I wonder if it will ever be solved because it was so botched from the beginning.

Myserty64
07-07-2008, 08:36 AM
Don't forget we have now learned that workers at Mosaic were allowed to live in the empty condos.
As soon as I heard that I saw a big red flag.

If this was known from the beginning I believe the investigation should have concentrated on just who was living in which condo.
It's too late now.

SeriouslySearching
07-07-2008, 10:18 AM
WHOA! Didn't they change the locks before Jen moved in???!?? If they didn't then that opens up some entirely new scenarios of what could have happened. I believe they had changed some of the locks, but IIRC, not all of them. We found out about the pass key break-ins on one of the apartment sites where people can blog about their experiences there.

Jen could've been actually abducted in her apartment instead of near her car. They could knocked her out and put her in something to take her outisde, like a trash bag or can. But didn't anyone see anything like that around there? Like a large object being moved out of Jen's apartment that day? I have been saying this all along. Nothing tells me that Jenn wasn't inside the apartment and someone took her from there. While there wasn't any sign of a struggle, sometimes there isn't. It would depend on the surprise, the use of a weapon to threaten her movements, and other factors. You also have to remember there were not that many condos rented/sold at that point so people were sparse. They do have condos with garages attached IIRC where her car could have been kept for a time, too.

They could've put her in a van or something then to one of those vacant condos you guys said the workers were allowed to use? There they could've done whatever they did to her but wouldn't neighbors or people on the street heard her scream or just some commotion?? Wouldn't it have alerted someone if they just took her to another condo in the same area?? It would almost make more sense if they just took her away from the condos to a different area. If the perp gained control of Jenn early in the attack, he could prevent her from making noise. Also, if there were empty condos surrounding the immediate area...no one would hear much. Eventually, I do believe he/they took her elsewhere. I am not convinced the person who dropped off the car and the actual perp are one in the same.


Did Jenn have a deadbolt on her door? Is there any way of telling if she had it on that night?Yes, if memory serves me correctly...she did have a deadbolt. It was stated by security the door was locked upon their arrival which led LE to believe she had locked it herself and left for work hence their theory. However, if someone had a key to her apartment or her keys...locking it would buy them more time.

Crazy Canuck
07-07-2008, 11:00 PM
As far as the video of the person walking by the apts where Jennifer's car was found...that person might have just been someone walking by and not even related to the case. I think the person who took Jennifer headed towards the back of the apts so that he could go down and around the back of the apts and into the back of Jennifer's condo place. That is the route the dogs followed if I remember right. I think he was headed back over to the condo's to pick up his own vehicle or to go back to work. I wonder what time he dropped her car off. Could it have been his lunch hour or in the morning before work or after work?



About a year ago the police revealed that they have the poi on video parking her car. So we know for sure that he isn't an innocent bystander and was involved in some fashion.

christine2448
07-08-2008, 09:44 AM
About a year ago the police revealed that they have the poi on video parking her car. So we know for sure that he isn't an innocent bystander and was involved in some fashion.

I don't recall that. (not odd :D) Do you have a link? TIA.

UCFAlumni2002
07-08-2008, 10:26 AM
Crazy Canuk *sorry about spelling* is right

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2007/5/17/new_evidence_in_the_jennifer_kesse_case.html (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2007/5/17/new_evidence_in_the_jennifer_kesse_case.html)

Video Of Suspect Released In Jennifer Kesse Case
Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:10:06 PM

Video
Kesse Surveillance Video
Timeline of Kesse Case
Police, Parents Plead For Kesse's Return
Additional Information
Find Jennifer Kesse Web Site
On Thursday, Orlando Police released a video of a man they are calling a suspect in the disappearance of Jennifer Kesse in January of 2006.

Police said they inadvertently released the video one year ago and asked the media to withhold it while they investigated Kesse's disappearance.

The video shows a man walking back and forth past a car police believe belonged to Kesse. The video also shows the man getting into the car.

During a press conference, Sgt. Barbara Jones said they were releasing the video after consultation with investigators and Kesse's parents because they had run out of clues.

"It is time the value of this video has come, and it is our belief that the value of that video will support and give opportunity to those with information and we're absolutely positive someone has the information we need to bring this young lady home," said Orlando Police Chief Michael McCoy said.

Kesse vanished from her condo near the Mall at Millenia sometime before she was supposed to report for work.

Kesse's parents said that the release of this information could not have come at a better time because their daughter's 26th birthday is Sunday.

Kesse's coworkers at the Westgate Resorts said they are holding out hope for her safe return home.

Tom Dugan, the Chief Financial Officer at Westgate, said the morning Jennifer disappeared is still fresh in his mind.

He has known Jennifer since she was about 12 years old, and as a parent himself, he said he prays every day for her safe return.

"Sheís foremost in our minds,Ē Dugan said. ďThere's not a day that goes by that a lot of us at Westgate don't think of Jennifer. She was a great coworker and intelligent girl."

The reward for information leading to Kesse's wherabouts currently stands at $10,000. A $250,000 reward will be offered starting next week.

Kesse's employer, time share mogul David Seigel, said he plans to offer a $1 million reward for Kesse's safe return, but only for a short time.

Anyone with information can call the Orlando Police Department or Crimeline at (800) 423-TIPS. They can also call the family's tipline at (407) 722-2162.



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Timeline Of Events

Investigators say Jennifer Kesse's family last spoke to her on Monday evening, January 23, 2006.

She was reported missing the next day, after not showing up for work at Central Florida Investments in Ocoee.

Her car, a black 2004 Chevy Malibu, and her purse, were missing as well.

Thursday, January 26
Investigators headed to a condominium complex near Kesse's home, where her Malibu was found.

Wednesday, February 1
The search efforts got a boost when national group Childwatch got involved. The group, known for helping to locate missing children, helps coordinate the big volunteer efforts across central florida.

Saturday, February 4
Police release surveillance images from the apartment complex where Kesse's car was found. They show a man standing near a gate who they label a "person of interest."

Sunday, February 12
Police swarmed a house near Orange Blossom Trail and served a search warrant, sfter receiving a tip that Jennifer Kesse was being held against her will. But they came up empty handed.

The case has remained open, and posters have stayed up all over town. However until now, there have been no real developments made public.

UCFAlumni2002
07-08-2008, 10:28 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273616,00.html

JONES: Yes, the image that the public saw were still photos that were taken from video surveillance that was from a camera at the apartment complex or condominium complex where her vehicle was taken. We labeled that person as a person of interest. We had the entire video, which we released the rest of the video, which shows this — with the person that we were calling the person of interest parking her vehicle in the condominium complex, exiting the car and then, we believe, walking by that gated area, which is the still photo that people shot — that people saw.
The difference now is, is we are publicly announcing that now we consider this person of interest an actual suspect in the disappearance of Jennifer Kesse.

****please note- Jennifer did not go on a Carribean Cruise as it is reported here. Jennifer and her boyfriend flew to St Croix for their vacation... just fyi so there is no confusion later ****

gaia227
07-08-2008, 12:43 PM
I am a little confused and is it probably because I don't have a very cohesive understanding of how illegal immigrants live in this country as far as how they rent apts, what they provide to get work, etc.

Did the apt mgmt company hire individual laborers to work or did they contract a company for whom the laborers worked? In either event aren't the employers responsible for keeping records of who they had hired to work for them? Especially considering these guys were living in the empty condos one would think the mgmt company would want to know who they are. Even if the laborers are getting paid under the table wouldn't the hiring company still have kept some records for themselves as to who they had hired so they could keep track of who was paid what?

It is hard to accept these men can be hired to do a job, lived in the apt building and worked their for many days, even weeks and yet at the end of it they just disappear into anonomity at the end of it all. If the crew members names were at least known couldn't LE try to track them through apt rental records, etc. Even if they are illegal they still have to live somewhere and I assume they use their real names to rent an apt.....

BeavisMom62
07-08-2008, 01:08 PM
On the 48 Hours program, Sgt. Roger Brennan addressed locating the particular crew of workers that labored in the condo when Jennifer disappeared. He described the task as "difficult", but did not elaborate. IMO, the crew probably consisted of untraceable illegals and somehow the police did not act soon enough to get information about the workers.

Around 2006, here in NYC, a young actress/director named Adrienne Shelly was murdered in her apartment by a young man who was part of a crew working in her building. He was an illegal immigrant from - I'm guessing - Ecuador. Apparently, she complained about the noise level of the work being done and he got angry. He staged the murder to look as if she had committed suicide. The police acted immediately and were able to apprehend the killer and obtain a confession.
I remember that. Didn't he hang her in the shower or something?

LillyRush
07-08-2008, 04:25 PM
I totally agree, gaia, and don't understand it either. This was not a typical day labor employee situation.


I am a little confused and is it probably because I don't have a very cohesive understanding of how illegal immigrants live in this country as far as how they rent apts, what they provide to get work, etc.

Did the apt mgmt company hire individual laborers to work or did they contract a company for whom the laborers worked? In either event aren't the employers responsible for keeping records of who they had hired to work for them? Especially considering these guys were living in the empty condos one would think the mgmt company would want to know who they are. Even if the laborers are getting paid under the table wouldn't the hiring company still have kept some records for themselves as to who they had hired so they could keep track of who was paid what?

It is hard to accept these men can be hired to do a job, lived in the apt building and worked their for many days, even weeks and yet at the end of it they just disappear into anonomity at the end of it all. If the crew members names were at least known couldn't LE try to track them through apt rental records, etc. Even if they are illegal they still have to live somewhere and I assume they use their real names to rent an apt.....

gaia227
07-08-2008, 04:42 PM
I remember that. Didn't he hang her in the shower or something?

Yes, he did. He tried to make it look like a suicide and in the beginning it was even reported as a suicide but of course all of that changed.

gaia227
07-08-2008, 04:42 PM
I totally agree, gaia, and don't understand it either. This was not a typical day labor employee situation.

Thank you! I am glad I am not the only one confused over here.

UCFAlumni2002
07-10-2008, 12:59 PM
Bumping for Jenn

UCFAlumni2002
07-11-2008, 01:06 PM
We are less then 2 weeks away from the 2 1/2 year mark of Jennifer Kesse's abduction. Please pray for answers and find below the letter from Jenn's Family website at www.findjenniferkesse.com (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com)


Family Letter, July 2008 -
As we approach the 2 1/2 year mark since Jennifer was abducted January 24,2006, we, her family, would like to again thank all of those who support Jennifer in our efforts to find her. We remain strong, focused and working hard to find Jennifer as well as multi Law Enforcement Agencies working Jenniferís case. Leads continue to come in and with the recent CBS 48 Hours special on Jennifer, 7/2/08, the tips have once again increased dramatically, for which we are greatly thankful. All involved still have great hope that Jenniferís abduction will be solved. This is NOT a Cold Case! We continue to ask that if you know any information or anyone who does, that they reach out to whomever they feel comfortable with in giving that information to, be it police, Crimeline (there are still rewards for Jennifer and the Suspect), a lawyer, clergy, or media outlet. They will get the information to the right people for follow up. To this day nothing has been found or used of Jenniferís and that fact gives us a continued source of hope and energy in the fight to find her.
As we have stated in the past, we will not go away, we will not stop the awareness needed to find Jennifer and bring her home where she belongs and we will not be intimidated or discouraged as time passes. Are we desperate? Yes, the time Jennifer has been Missing is simply too long. People must remember that there is an ABDUCTOR still loose and must be found and brought to justice. If we can identify the Suspect who last drove Jenniferís car and walked away, we will find Jennifer! Imagine for 1 second 2 people falling off the face of the earth and no one knows where they are? Just not possible. The clues are there for us to find and put together, there is at least one person and most likely more that know what has happened to Jennifer Ė they need to speak up, step forward and lead us to our daughter - NOW.
July 1, 2008, the Jennifer Kesse-Tiffany Sessions Missing Persons Act took effect. The new law greatly enhances who can report a Missing Person, what information must be taken and put into local and state databases quickly and efficiently and collect DNA if after 90 days the person has not been located. Thanks to the many people who worked so hard to make the law a reality.
Ordinary people can make a difference in their communities and they must also take back their communities from the lawless criminals, those who do not respect our laws which make us the greatest country in the world. Not until we, as a community, stand up and say enough is enough will we make our communities safer. Take stock in your community and be itsí eyes and ears. Police cannot do it alone. They are there to support you, you must take the actions needed to fight crime, if not, there will be no one to blame but ourselves for letting a small percentage of our population ruin our neighborhoods and freedoms we so greatly enjoy. Be the Solution! Rise to the occasion and make a difference today. You see a crime call police. You know of a crime, call police, for you may be the next victim!
We hope that you all continue to pass on Jenniferís information to everyone you know and ask them to pass it on also. Together we will find our missing loved ones Ė together we will bring them all home and together we will make our city, county, state and nation even a better place to live.

May Good win over evil,
Kesse family and friends

curves
07-11-2008, 02:50 PM
CP, thanks for pointing out that you can watch the full CBS show, living in the UK I didn't think I would get to see it.

It broke my heart to hear Lauren say Jen had a fear of being taken and not being found. It almost makes me feel physically sick because it is so eerie that this has happened to her. Like another poster said it is like she had a premonition.

After hearing that the casual workers were also able to live in the empty mosaic apartments (wth??) I think there is only a slim chance that her abductor wasn't one of those workers which makes me horrendously sad as I think that means there is very little chance that Jennifer's abductor can be found.

A part of me continues to hope that Jennifer has been held captive all this time as although that would also be horrific, at least there is a chance she may be returned, alive, to her family.
In any case I pray for a resolution to this case.

UK Sleuth
07-15-2008, 06:52 AM
I have followed this case for a long time now and after watching the CBS program
online I am now pretty much convinced that JKs dissappearance is a result of the workers on the complex.

Previously we knew that Jennifer felt 'uneasy' with the workers and now we now from her Mum they were leering at her.

I always have fely the poi looks like a decorator or workmen and the fact that the car is dumped not far away and they hot foot it back to the mosaic and up to Jennifers door according to the blood hound is too much eveidence in one direction if you ask me.

I believe JK was abduced into another condo by possible more than 1 person and the car is a diversion to make it look like she has left.
Why would you risk it if not?

Where she has been taken after that nobody knows.

Just my theory.

What to do know?

Personally I think Mosaic needs to be ripped apart by forensics, this is a hard thing to do though with people living there etc.

UK Sleuth
07-15-2008, 07:09 AM
Apologies for the typo's, I was going too fast and trying to work at the same time!!!

You get the gist.

Myserty64
07-15-2008, 06:24 PM
Personally I think Mosaic needs to be ripped apart by forensics, this is a hard thing to do though with people living there etc.

I tend to agree UK.
I have a hunch she never left the Mosaic grounds that day.
There is certainly no evidence of her leaving anyway.

UCFAlumni2002
07-20-2008, 12:15 PM
Bumping for Jenn- Thursday marks 2 1/2 years since she was abducted... praying for answers

UCFAlumni2002
07-21-2008, 11:31 AM
Sitting here this morning thinking that its unimaginable to me that Thursday marks 2 1/2 years since Jennifer Kesse vanished. I wish more then anything that someone could help bring this family answers- good, bad or indifferent to help them find their daughter.

Please continue to pass on Jenn's story and pray that someone out there comes forward with the answers so desparately needed.

SeriouslySearching
07-22-2008, 03:05 AM
UFCA~ My heart literally stopped when I saw some of the photos of Casey Anthony, the girl from Orlando that has the missing child. She resembles Jenn so much in some of her photos. I know it can't be Jenn, but it is so uncanny. Casey's left eyebrow has a little crook to it and she has a cleft chin. I thought you should see the photos because it is incredible.

I got even more of a shock when I saw a shot of Casey's tattoo of a 3 leaf clover on the middle of the small of her back. Jennifer's is a 4 leaf clover on her left hip. Isn't it really such a coincidence?

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/641.jpg

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t168/icons157/pictures/?start=all&special_track=album_paginate_top_view_all

3 leaf clover tattoo: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2403959&postcount=427

UCFAlumni2002
07-22-2008, 03:42 PM
Definitely some similarities but definitely not Jenn.

Just wish for a happy ending for Jenn and Caylee

SeriouslySearching
07-22-2008, 05:08 PM
I always wish for a good ending for Jennifer and all of our missing. However, the situation for Caylee doesn't sound promising after today's court hearing with the evidence presented by the Detective and the K-9 officer. :(

UCFAlumni2002
07-22-2008, 06:24 PM
I know... it just breaks my heart. I'm not sure that g-ma is necessarily involved.

Still unreal that 2 1/2 years will be Thursday... I remember the day that I heard Jenn Kesse was missing like it was yesterday.

UK Sleuth
07-23-2008, 10:56 AM
It must be hell on earth for Jennifers family and I wonder at one point do you ever accept it? You can't surely?

There is a quote from the father of Suzy Lamplugh who went missing in London in 1986 and its something along the lines of 'We do not believe Suzy is alive but we do not know that she is dead, thats the paradox'

From what I could gather from the CBS program LE dont appear to have any DNA as I understand it or they didnt declare that they had unlike the Tara Grinstead case.

My feeling was the only way this would be solved would be by the perp reoffending and being caught on the DNA database but it seems pretty clear they dont have this, do they even have prints from the car I wonder?

Did they mention this I only watched the program once and they didnt mention this as I recall

concernedperson
07-23-2008, 11:03 AM
It must be hell on earth for Jennifers family and I wonder at one point do you ever accept it? You can't surely?

There is a quote from the father of Suzy Lamplugh who went missing in London in 1986 and its something along the lines of 'We do not believe Suzy is alive but we do not know that she is dead, thats the paradox'

From what I could gather from the CBS program LE dont appear to have any DNA as I understand it or they didnt declare that they had unlike the Tara Grinstead case.

My feeling was the only way this would be solved would be by the perp reoffending and being caught on the DNA database but it seems pretty clear they dont have this, do they even have prints from the car I wonder?

Did they mention this I only watched the program once and they didnt mention this as I recall

LE didn't mention prints or DNA as far as Jenn's case. I believe they are hoping someone somewhere would recognize the person caught on tape. This would probably be the only way they could get help as I truly believe this was random and the person is probably not in the area any longer.

UCFAlumni2002
07-23-2008, 12:49 PM
I don't think you ever accept it. I think that until it can be proved otherwise, that Jenn is still out there. That is the belief that I feel her family is still working on.

UCFAlumni2002
07-23-2008, 12:49 PM
In regards to DNA, I just think the police have not released that they have it, but it is my belief that they do.

UK Sleuth
07-23-2008, 02:55 PM
If they have DNA why not state that they do?

The case appears to be pretty cold now if someone suspects someone but isnt sure this way they can be confident by putting their name forward and can be eliminated.

In the Tara Grinstead case they have stated they have DNA for this very reason

I dont think they have anything and I cant think of reason to withold it if they have.

UCFAlumni2002
07-24-2008, 03:14 AM
I don't think that OPD is lying all their cards out on the table.... and it wasn't until the 48 Hours piece that GBI released the info about DNA in Tara's case. So who knows- I still strongly believe and feel there is DNA in Jenn's case and they are just not releasing the information publicly.

Again, my opinion.... they took almost 1 1/2 years before releasing the video of the POI parking her car then calling him/her the suspect.

At any rate, today marks 2 1/2 years since Jennifer Kesse was abducted from in or near her condo at Mosaic at Millenia in Orlando, Fl. Someone out there does know something that can help bring answers to what is beyond a nightmare for Jennifer's family and friends.

This person may or may not be in this country any longer, but all that person needs to do is send an email, make a phone call, anything... just help bring answers.

Prayers today and always for Jennifer, her family, her friends, and the countless people that care enough to keep the awareness alive.

May ALL the missing be found and answers come for their families and loved ones.

Myserty64
07-24-2008, 06:38 PM
The OPD will be holding back information; that is a given. Would that information be as powerful evidence as DNA though?

The OPD also has a list of suspects and that can be deduced from watching the 48 Hours program.

The big question is this: where did the suspect come from and where did he go back to?

christine2448
07-24-2008, 06:53 PM
And where is Jennifer??? :(

UCFAlumni2002
07-25-2008, 12:17 AM
And where is Jennifer??? :(


God how I wish we knew that answer! So hard to believe it's 2 1/2 years- although time has flown by for me, I just can't imagine what this day feels like to her family.

UCFAlumni2002
07-27-2008, 04:29 PM
Bumping for Jenn...

drumstick
07-28-2008, 09:51 AM
I remember standing in the parking lot, March 2006, at HOTG where Jennifer's car was discovered. My thoughts at that time reflected carjacking theories and why a carjacker would leave the car only a mile away from Mosiac. Some of the best criminal writers had suggested Jennifer was a random victim.

Two and a half years later I stood in the same spot and reflected on the many different theories that have been explored since Jennifer's abduction on January 24, 2006.

I don't believe it was random. I do believe it was calculated. IMO.

Two and a half years later (it's hard to believe) we are no closer to finding Jennifer than we were on the afternoon of January 26, 2006 when the tape was discovered of the suspect parking Jennifer's car and then simply walked away.

I agree with the Kesse's that it is impossible to believe that two people can disappear without a trace; Jennifer and the suspect.

Someone knows exactly what happened that day, two and a half years ago.

~

UCFAlumni2002
07-28-2008, 12:18 PM
I remember standing in the parking lot, March 2006, at HOTG where Jennifer's car was discovered. My thoughts at that time reflected carjacking theories and why a carjacker would leave the car only a mile away from Mosiac. Some of the best criminal writers had suggested Jennifer was a random victim.

Two and a half years later I stood in the same spot and reflected on the many different theories that have been explored since Jennifer's abduction on January 24, 2006.

I don't believe it was random. I do believe it was calculated. IMO.

Two and a half years later (it's hard to believe) we are no closer to finding Jennifer than we were on the afternoon of January 26, 2006 when the tape was discovered of the suspect parking Jennifer's car and then simply walked away.

I agree with the Kesse's that it is impossible to believe that two people can disappear without a trace; Jennifer and the suspect.

Someone knows exactly what happened that day, two and a half years ago.

~

Someone does know.... the wish is that they just would step forward and share what they do know.

Someone has got to step forward..

curves
07-28-2008, 02:34 PM
I don't think Jennifer ever made it to her car. Because she was known to be a safety aware person I am going to hazard a guess that if someone had accosted her in her car and tried to hijack her as such, she would have known not to drive to the requested destination but to make a break for it while in traffic because otherwise she stood no chance.

I think she was grabbed as soon as she left her apartment by the workers there and held in an apartment until they could move her. I think the the fact that the poi went back to the Mosaic after parking Jenn's car supports this theory. I cannot believe that LE would not have been informed that transient workers were allowed to live in the empty apartments the day Jennifer went missing, and that the apartments were not searched. This is gross negligence imho. A door to door search should have been the first thing they did.

UCFAlumni2002
07-28-2008, 04:18 PM
Unfortunately, due to our civil rights and constitutional rights, a door to door search was not necessarily feasible. If the condo is owned by private owners, they have the right not to allow the police to search.

Yes, we sit here and say heck who the heck cares- come knock down my door and search if it means finding a missing person, but there are lots of people in society that don't want that to occur- a) what might they be hiding that doesn't necessarily pertain to the missing person b) other reasons.

curves
07-29-2008, 07:57 AM
Hi UFC, I do understand about the rights etc but if no one except the transient workers were living in the empty apartments (and these are the ones I am talking about), surely the same rights do not apply as most of them were illegals anyway? Also at that point weren't Mosaic or the developers the legal owners of the properities in which case LE could have been granted access permission for nearly all of the apartments at once. You would assume Mosaic et al would wish to help in any way they could, one would hope anyway.

Does anyone know what kind of LE activity took place at the Mosaic on the day / night Jennifer was abducted? I am trying to work out how easy it would be for her to have been moved afterwards.

UCFAlumni2002
07-29-2008, 08:05 PM
Hey, i'm with ya curves- they should have knocked down every single door to find Jenn. It just blows my mind. Not a second goes by that I dont think of the woulda coulda shoulda in this case.

drumstick
07-31-2008, 08:34 AM
http://www.local6.com/traffic/17047726/detail.html

Cmdr. Richard Ring with OPD has been involved in a terrible car accident.

As most of you know he was a Sgt. at the time of Jennifer's abduction and has worked very hard to find her.

I ask that everyone here take a moment out to say a prayer for this man who given so much to his community.

~

UCFAlumni2002
08-01-2008, 07:16 PM
Clear Channel donated 20 billboards throughout the state of Florida in support of finding Missing Jennifer Kesse. 8 are in the Orlando area alone! Please pass on Jenn's info to everyone you know!

Thanks!

KaylynnCouture
08-01-2008, 08:49 PM
http://www.local6.com/traffic/17047726/detail.html

Cmdr. Richard Ring with OPD has been involved in a terrible car accident.

As most of you know he was a Sgt. at the time of Jennifer's abduction and has worked very hard to find her.

I ask that everyone here take a moment out to say a prayer for this man who given so much to his community.

~

That's so horrible. My thoughts and prayers absolutely go out to him and his family through this tough time.
Get well soon Richard! I'm praying for you.

lilacwine
08-01-2008, 09:45 PM
In regards to DNA, I just think the police have not released that they have it, but it is my belief that they do.


I could swear that I saw an interview with her parents .. or read a transcript that said they were told there was some DNA.

Does anyone recall that?