CNN Breaking News- Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean caught!! *merged*

[PrayersForMaura]

This is wonderful news, thank you for posting all the info everyone.

May the justice process finally be started and Maria get the justice she deserves.

[Littledeer]

Angry enough to do something about it?????

Like getting rid of the reminders (Maria and baby) that were constantly reminding her that CL was unfaithful?

[Littledeer]

Suzi:

The pic might have been cheesy and unprofessional, but you got to admit that it is eerily like the captured pic of CL.

I agree that WS's are extremely TALENTED in so many areas.........more so than any LE department! LOL

[SieSie]

SieSie:

Wait til you see the "captured" pic. You'll be blown away at the likeness to the retouched photo of him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just found this pic:
http://i25.tinypic.com/nqe5ah.jpg
What's everyone mean the "retouched photo"?? I haven't been following the case very closely (obviously, lol!!).


SieSie, the pic retouching was so cheesy and unprofessional, IMO. However, it does look like the captured Cesar pic. I am always amazed at the talents of Ws'ers. And they do it on nothing more than a cranky computer and store bought or freeware software. Ws'ers also have very sharp eyes as evidenced in info they can pic out from surveillance tapes and photos long before LE or the media has.
Oh, I get it now - someone edited his photo to show what he might look like with a beard - that's what you guys mean by "retouched photo" ?? If so, who edited it, a WSer or someone in LE?? I'd love to see that pic, does anyone have a link?

[SuziQ]

Suzi:

The pic might have been cheesy and unprofessional, but you got to admit that it is eerily like the captured pic of CL.

I agree that WS's are extremely TALENTED in so many areas.........more so than any LE department! LOL

Lol, that's what cracks me up about it.

[BeavisMom62]

I just found this pic:
http://i25.tinypic.com/nqe5ah.jpg
What's everyone mean the "retouched photo"?? I haven't been following the case very closely (obviously, lol!!).



Oh, I get it now - someone edited his photo to show what he might look like with a beard - that's what you guys mean by "retouched photo" ?? If so, who edited it, a WSer or someone in LE?? I'd love to see that pic, does anyone have a link?

I really thought he looked alot like the photo that was shown on AMW! As someone on here said a few posts ago, I too, thought he looked like a terrorist when I saw the AMW photo. And he does too! Scary.

[STEADFAST]

Oh, I get it now - someone edited his photo to show what he might look like with a beard - that's what you guys mean by "retouched photo" ?? If so, who edited it, a WSer or someone in LE?? I'd love to see that pic, does anyone have a link?

I think we're talking about post 46 in the media thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58588

[BeavisMom62]

They just showed that pic on Headline news. It does look like him except the hair and the beard are trimmed differently, but its very close.

[BeavisMom62]

I'm so glad this thread is jumping again and for such a good reason. I'm gonna have to get to work. But I have the TV on and I'll have to check in again after the presser. Good to see you all again!

[curious1]

YES! One more weak man down waaay too many to go. :woohoo:

[SieSie]

I think we're talking about post 46 in the media thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58588
Oh, thanks so much, now I understand the whole "retouched photo" thing.

I put this together real quick (wasn't about to waste a lot of time on this POS, but I like it cause of the handcuffs, hehehehe. :D )
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Blue7/WS/Captured_CesarLaurean.jpg

[ember]

O/T kind of...


You know what really scares me is how much he looks like he could also be from the middle east with his beard and all....so how hard would it be for the terrorists to pose as a Mexican citizen and come across our border? :eek:

We really need to secure our borders!

Sorry...but just had to point that out

I'm sooo glad that he was finally caught so that now maybe we can have some truth and justice about what really happened to Maria.

[SuziQ]

Oh, thanks so much, now I understand the whole "retouched photo" thing.

I put this together real quick (wasn't about to waste a lot of time on this POS, but I like it cause of the handcuffs, hehehehe. :D )
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Blue7/WS/Captured_CesarLaurean.jpg

Love it.

[SuziQ]

O/T kind of...


You know what really scares me is how much he looks like he could also be from the middle east with his beard and all....so how hard would it be for the terrorists to pose as a Mexican citizen and come across our border? :eek:



There was a commercial a few years back from a father of a 911 victim. The point of the commercial was that the U.S. can't tell the difference between a terrorist and a tourist.

[peace9274]

Oh, thanks so much, now I understand the whole "retouched photo" thing.

I put this together real quick (wasn't about to waste a lot of time on this POS, but I like it cause of the handcuffs, hehehehe. :D )
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Blue7/WS/Captured_CesarLaurean.jpg

Good Job!!! :clap:

I dropped everything/everybody and came directly here at the first breaking news last night on CNN...

I was finally able to go to bed after someone, SS I think... posted the photo of POS in handcuffs!

Ahhh... aren't those bracelets gorgeous on him!!!

[peace9274]

OOOPs... I went back and it was YOU, SusiQ, who posted the photo.

Thanx again for it.

[SuziQ]

OOOPs... I went back and it was YOU, SusiQ, who posted the photo.

Thanx again for it.

thanks, but I think SS posted it first. Dang SS, she's always trying to beat me to it. lol.

[JDB]

Glad they finally caught the scum. But now we are going to have a long wait to get him back here.

[thefragile7393]

According to the FoxNews report: He was born in Guadalajara, but family members there have said he moved to the U.S. more than 10 years ago.

That would make him about 10 years old when he moved to USA. How come he couldn't speak Spanish well? Curious.
If you don't use it, you lose it. Possibly (and I'm just going on with examples of some of my friends and their families) once they got here the parents wanted their children to speak only English. Some parents don't want the native tounge spoken in the home anymore to assimilate better, in their minds. It's just a possibility of course, and again I do have some friends whose families did this very thing....obviously I don't know if it's the reason in this case.

[panglossian]

I've just heard they caught him- Yeah!!! Some short blurb on the radio and I had to come on here as soon as got home from work.:woohoo:

[Armandv101]

Christina refused Cesar's requests for help:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350070,00.html

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, thanks so much, now I understand the whole "retouched photo" thing. YES! The FBI has nothing on you, Girl!!

I put this together real quick (wasn't about to waste a lot of time on this POS, but I like it cause of the handcuffs, hehehehe. :D )
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Blue7/WS/Captured_CesarLaurean.jpgI LOVE IT!!! Nothing better than seeing that upclose shot of those cuffs and shackles on Cesar! I have been waiting for this day to come for sooooo long!! I am very happy!
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :behindbar :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

[Mygirlsadie]

Yeah she wouldn't help him THIS time because she already helped him do away with Maria... I am sorry I know some people won't agree with me but I will always think Christine is guilty in this somehow someway..kinda like OJ Simpson even if proven innocent I won't buy it.




Christina refused Cesar's requests for help:


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350070,00.html

[SeriouslySearching]

thanks, but I think SS posted it first. Dang SS, she's always trying to beat me to it. lol.LOL But you always win! :crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

Yeah she wouldn't help him THIS time because she already helped him do away with Maria... I am sorry I know some people won't agree with me but I will always think Christine is guilty in this somehow someway..kinda like OJ Simpson even if proven innocent I won't buy it.I couldn't agree more. I think on the computer, it doesn't show her helping him. This doesn't mean she didn't have others ways to help him. They just haven't found them yet. She was smart enough not to mention it there and is what LE is going by for now. She was playing CYA when talking to Cesar online because she was concerned they were monitoring her.

[BeavisMom62]

I couldn't agree more. I think on the computer, it doesn't show her helping him. This doesn't mean she didn't have others ways to help him. They just haven't found them yet. She was smart enough not to mention it there and is what LE is going by for now. She was playing CYA when talking to Cesar online because she was concerned they were monitoring her.

ITA, SS. Of course she couldn't help him now! Its not that she didn't want to, she just couldn't. She probably is being monitored and its easy enough to find that out with computers. Do we even know, is she in some sort of "custody" by the marines as we posited on here in the past, or do we know where she is at this time?

[SeriouslySearching]

She obviously was staying with her sister since this is where the computer was confiscated. Her sister and BIL are Marines, but I think it just points to Christina has been staying with family and not under the thumb of the Marines.

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess her Atty was on the presser, which I didn't see, proclaiming her innocence and cooperation (just saw a clip on Fox). LOL I don't see how he can say that since they had to have a search warrant to find out she was in fact communicating with him. Christina didn't tell them! Where I come from...that is NOT cooperation with authorities no matter how you slice it.

[JinxieJada]

I don't like the pic of him - Yes I'm glad that he's in custody but Brown did put it correctly, he's not an animal or a trophy.

IMO His kid is probably going to see this stuff one day, and I'm sure growing up with the stigma is going to be bad enough let alone seeing all this type of stuff.

It shocked me though the comment from Maria's mom that she is praying for the Laurean's and her thoughts are with them....Just wasn't what I expected, but she's been a hard woman for me to grasp an ideal of from the beginning.

I'm curious to know the results of the DNA test - as well as hearing what he (Cesar) has to say during formal questioning, what I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall in that interview room!

*I* truly think after reading more, his reactions, his wife's behavior from the beginning etc, that he covered up for her, yes he was involved, but I just don't think he did the blow that killed Maria. As another poster stated he wasn't the one harassing her, hitting her in the dark, keying her car etc. And as we discussed from the beginning that's typical Pissed off woman behaviour!

I can see him covering for her, for nothing else but his daughter's sake. But maybe I'm biased, me and Hubby talked about this case when it first broke and he stated he'd cover and even run for me in a heartbeat if it meant me going away or our children being jeopardized..

[SeriouslySearching]

I do feel sorry for their daughter, but Cesar and Christina brought this all upon themselves. They are responsible for destroying this child's life as she knew it. They are the people who knowingly murdered a woman and the half-sibling of their daughter. The child is going to see many ugly things, but none as ugly as the picture of her parents taking a life that she will revisit in her head for the rest of her life. :(

[LinasK]

I don't like the pic of him - Yes I'm glad that he's in custody but Brown did put it correctly, he's not an animal or a trophy.


I disagree. He's an animal allright! Just look at how he treated Maria, rapes her, murders her and his unborn child, then burns the bodies and has a barbeque party over their remains!:furious: Hell isn't good enough for him!:furious::furious::furious:

[BeavisMom62]

She obviously was staying with her sister since this is where the computer was confiscated. Her sister and BIL are Marines, but I think it just points to Christina has been staying with family and not under the thumb of the Marines.

:doh: Silly me, thanks again SS!

[SeriouslySearching]

:doh: Silly me, thanks again SS!Not silly at all! Most of us felt like the Marines were hiding her until now. She was called back into active duty IIRC. So in part...if she is onbase the majority of the time...they are in effect doing just that. :)

[BeavisMom62]

I disagree. He's an animal allright! Just look at how he treated Maria, rapes her, murders her and his unborn child, then burns the bodies and has a barbeque party over their remains!:furious: Hell isn't good enough for him!:furious::furious::furious:

Yep, he's not a trophy and certainly no prize, but yes, I believe the word animal might fit, although I know of no animals that conduct themselves in such heinous ways. Kinda gives animals a bad name, now that I think about it. :rolleyes:

[Mygirlsadie]

Poor kid.. she lost a baby brother/sister. She lost her dad..she MIGHT lose her mom?! The innocent ones are the ones who usually suffer the most.




I do feel sorry for their daughter, but Cesar and Christina brought this all upon themselves. They are responsible for destroying this child's life as she knew it. They are the people who knowingly murdered a woman and the half-sibling of their daughter. The child is going to see many ugly things, but none as ugly as the picture of her parents taking a life that she will revisit in her head for the rest of her life. :(

[BeavisMom62]

Not silly at all! Most of us felt like the Marines were hiding her until now. She was called back into active duty IIRC. So in part...if she is onbase the majority of the time...they are in effect doing just that. :)

Ok, I don't feel so dumb now, because that is what I thought that I had remembered, especially since she obviously wasn't living at home and I believe at that time, we weren't sure if she had any relative near by or not. And certainly, no one had seen her "out and about" since the news first broke. :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't consider him a trophy. I do consider him an animal...specifically...a reptile. :)

[JinxieJada]

I do feel sorry for their daughter, but Cesar and Christina brought this all upon themselves. They are responsible for destroying this child's life as she knew it. They are the people who knowingly murdered a woman and the half-sibling of their daughter. The child is going to see many ugly things, but none as ugly as the picture of her parents taking a life that she will revisit in her head for the rest of her life. :(

I agree w/ everything except the half sibling part - I'm reserving judgement on that one until the DNA test is released (if it ever is :mad:)

[BeavisMom62]

Well, its been fun chasing you guys all over this board, but I'm gonna have to go to the store to get some dinner for the hubby!

Hasn't this been a great day! I hope we hear the same kind of news about DrewP some day soon!

[JinxieJada]

Well, its been fun chasing you guys all over this board, but I'm gonna have to go to the store to get some dinner for the hubby!

Hasn't this been a great day! I hope we hear the same kind of news about DrewP some day soon!

LOL since many of us are married to the forum atm What you making for dinner mom? You up for the task of cooking for us all? :dance:

[Littledeer]

I'll take a "Cesear" salad nicely sliced and diced! :crazy:

[Littledeer]

They are responsible for destroying this child's life as she knew it. They are the people who knowingly murdered a woman and the half-sibling of their daughter. The child is going to see many ugly things, but none as ugly as the picture of her parents taking a life that she will revisit in her head for the rest of her life

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[JinxieJada]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh:I'll take a "Cesear" salad nicely sliced and diced! :crazy:

[Taximom]

OK, just got home from work so someone point me in the right direction here where the scoop is. Or do I need to read all 290 comments?! Was the press conference informational? Is Christina a killer? Thanks!! :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

I thought ahead for just this request, Taximom! Here you go...no wading neccessary. No really new info tho. Christina is still being touted as "cooperating with LE". *coubsgh*

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63324

[Taximom]

I finally found that, SS. Thank you for making that!! :blowkiss: Why am I not surprised that we know more here (lol) than was said at the PC? **sigh**

O/T are you going to watch DrewP on LKL tonight? :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

You are welcome! I had to be gone today during the presser and didn't want to sort through here looking either! LOL That IS the reason we have forums for cases which are so involved as this one. To spread things out so we can keep them straight and not have to dig for information!!

OT: You bet your boots I will be watching! Did you send in an email for him?!

[Littledeer]

CL case on CNN HEADLINE NEWS NOW!

[panthera]

CL case on CNN HEADLINE NEWS NOW!
Good evening and thanks for the birthday wishes ~ :blowkiss: What a nice present anyway that Laurean was caught and should be headed back to the US soon. I'm still trying to catch up on the press conference and I'm watching Nancy's program too. I still can't understand how Laurean's wife can say she didn't know Maria was in the back yard or that anything had happened in the garage.

[Crime-Dreamer]

I wonder if Xtina was communicating with CL to help to get him back to the US. Possible.

Sherrif said on Nancy Grace he had an e-mail possibly from CL stating that he wanted to surrender to NC officials and not the military. Sherrif also said they had no evidence that Xtina was involved. Interesting. Not giving my personal opinion, just wondering.

Specialist in military law said the military can still apply the death penalty at this point.

IMO I see a confession no trails in any courts rape case dropped and no fault found of the military in exchange for no death penalty. I wonder if that is why the military has not charged him yet. No charges, no deal on the death penalty with Mexico. No one will ever know Maria's side because she is dead.

[Snowlover77]

I imagine he had cleaned up the biggest part of the blood that was visible...and because Maria was killed in the garage..maybe Christina didn't go out there much....I don't find it real hard to believe that Christina didn't know about Maria being buried in her backyard....how would she know? I don't think she seen anything that would indicate to her that Cesar had murdered Maria in their home....and proceeded to bury her ion his backyard. The more I think about everything I know, the more I think it very well may have been premeditated on Cesar's behalf.

[STEADFAST]

I thought ahead for just this request, Taximom! Here you go...no wading neccessary. No really new info tho. Christina is still being touted as "cooperating with LE". *coubsgh*

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63324

Thanks, SS! I was just about to wade into the sea of posts.

[chiperoni]

I thought ahead for just this request, Taximom! Here you go...no wading neccessary. No really new info tho. Christina is still being touted as "cooperating with LE". *coubsgh*

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63324

Tnx for the info Seriously Searching, I got home later today too.

[STEADFAST]

I imagine he had cleaned up the biggest part of the blood that was visible...and because Maria was killed in the garage..maybe Christina didn't go out there much....I don't find it real hard to believe that Christina didn't know about Maria being buried in her backyard....how would she know? I don't think she seen anything that would indicate to her that Cesar had murdered Maria in their home....and proceeded to bury her ion his backyard. The more I think about everything I know, the more I think it very well may have been premeditated on Cesar's behalf.

Wouldn't she have noticed the human bonfire in the back yard? Wouldn't she have noticed the blood that was inside the house, especially while she was helping to paint over it? Wouldn't she have noticed the car in her driveway?

[SuziQ]

Snowlover, please come take some of my snow.....

I've been away from this case for a bit so I don't quite remember all the details. But was it ever publicly released what area of the house Maria was murdered in?

[Crime-Dreamer]

I don't understand what you mean.

I go back and forth on Christina. I cannot believe that she didn't know what was going on and I know people saw her drive the car and heard she confronted Maria. On the other hand, the sherrif has been so protective of her. I just don't know. I am usually very clear on these things so I feel it is something out of my scope of experience or understanding. I'm not honing in on this one (her involvement) for some reason and never have been able to. I think it is going to be something really off the wall or something I just don't want to see or believe. So if I seem dumb about her, that is why. I just cannot get a handle on her.

[panthera]

Snowlover, please come take some of my snow.....

I've been away from this case for a bit so I don't quite remember all the details. But was it ever publicly released what area of the house Maria was murdered in?
Most of the blood cover-up was in the garage so that's where LE believes it happened.

[SuziQ]

Most of the blood cover-up was in the garage so that's where LE believes it happened.

Thank you! I just couldn't remember exactly what was stated regarding that.

[Snowlover77]

If I saw a bonfire in my backyard, I would not think there was a human being underneath all of it...eevn if I saw some spots of blood in my home. I think they had probably been planning on painting so that came as no suprise to Christina and the bon fire I think was also planned...and if anyone remembers, there was talk of him, after all of this went down and Maria's body was discovered, of him burying her elsewhere and going back and getting her because vultures had begun to gather at that place ...anyone remember that?...like I said before...I am leaning more towards it being Cesar and Cesar only that killed her and buried her and I think it was premeditated...
That baby would have(in his eyes) destroyed everything he had worked hard for his whole life...the rape charge, if true, would have court martialed him...and his life would have been meaningless in his eyes...he is MACHO...his type think of themselves...he has been on thre lam for 3 motnhs now and has wrote notes and hung them in the place wher ehe w staying reminding him to do push-ups...so even with all this going on in his life...he is still taking care of his physique...that speaks mighty loud to my ears!

[SieSie]

Yep, he's not a trophy and certainly no prize, but yes, I believe the word animal might fit, although I know of no animals that conduct themselves in such heinous ways. Kinda gives animals a bad name, now that I think about it. :rolleyes:
:clap: Thanks, I was thinking how to word this exact sentiment!! :D

[panthera]

DA Hudson is on Greta saying that Christina had contemplated suicide in January and the only reason she didn't follow through was because of her 18 month old daughter. He's saying he's convinced she wasn't involved in any way with Maria's death.

[Littledeer]

IMO Christina is either a pathological liar or the blindest wife in North Carolina.

Again, I just can't get over that a murder has been commited that involved blood and the removing of the bodies that would have left trails of blood and whatever to the backyard and then buried, etc. And yet Christina says she didn't have a clue???

I'm not buying this................I will be the first one to EAT CROW if I am wrong when all is said and done.

[SeriouslySearching]

DA Hudson is on Greta saying that Christina had contemplated suicide in January and the only reason she didn't follow through was because of her 18 month old daughter. He's saying he's convinced she wasn't involved in any way with Maria's death.Sounds like a guilty conscience to me...name another wife contemplating suicide because her husband committed murder? She should be angry and determined to get him to tell the truth...not thinking of doing herself in. Makes no sense. DA Hudson could be very wrong with his determination of her innocence, imo.

[STEADFAST]

IMO Christina is either a pathological liar or the blindest wife in North Carolina.

Again, I just can't get over that a murder has been commited that involved blood and the removing of the bodies that would have left trails of blood and whatever to the backyard and then buried, etc. And yet Christina says she didn't have a clue???

I'm not buying this................I will be the first one to EAT CROW if I am wrong when all is said and done.

IF you are wrong, we can all attend a huge crow feast. Thousands will be there.

[panthera]

Sounds like a guilty conscience to me...name another wife contemplating suicide because her husband committed murder? She should be angry and determined to get him to tell the truth...not thinking of doing herself in. Makes no sense. DA Hudson could be very wrong with his determination of her innocence, imo.What a refreshing post :) since I still think there's a whole lot more to this than the DA is telling us or maybe he's just human and can make mistakes too. Yes, some do commit suicide after killing someone else, especially if it was done as a crime of passion. If this had happened to me and I didn't know what he'd done until right before he took off, I'd be so mad at him I'd want to kill him, or at least do everything to put him in prison for the rest of his sorry life. There would be no love lost and I'd never want to see him again.

[SeriouslySearching]

What a refreshing post :) since I still think there's a whole lot more to this than the DA is telling us or maybe he's just human and can make mistakes too. Yes, some do commit suicide after killing someone else, especially if it was done as a crime of passion. If this had happened to me and I didn't know what he'd done until right before he took off, I'd be so mad at him I'd want to kill him, or at least do everything to put him in prison for the rest of his sorry life. There would be no love lost and I'd never want to see him again.Exactly! You wouldn't be feeling like offing yourself for what HE did tho.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yea the only thing that made her contemplate suicide was the fact that Cesar loved Maria and Maria was about to have his baby.. Christine was obsessed with Cesar and he dealt her the ultimate betrayel.

[Mygirlsadie]

P.S... I would love to email DA Hudson and a few others and tell them to PLEASE look a little harder at Christines role in all of this and how impossible it is that she is not involved in someway. Common sense people, common sense! If Cesar really loved Maria like he says he did then he needs to give Maria and the baby a little bit of justice and just come clean on the whole thing.

[SuziQ]

More in depth info on how Cesar has been living and what he's been doing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350834,00.html

People wondered about the bearded stranger with a foreign accent who moved into a rustic cabin weeks ago in the pine-clad mountains surrounding this picturesque village. (more at link)

[SuziQ]

Regarding the Paternity test:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,350834,00.html
(snip)
On Friday, Navy investigators said they would wait until Laurean is returned to the United States to perform a paternity test to determine if he was the father of the unborn child, because they want a reliable DNA sample from him.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html

"Cesar Laurean sent an e-mail to Sheriff Ed Brown almost two weeks before he was captured in Mexico, asking whether Brown could provide immunity from military prosecution if Laurean returned to Onslow County.

"I know they will convict me with no evidence, I can't risk Leavenworth or a chain gang," Laurean wrote in the e-mail sent March 30. The e-mail was traced by authorities to the region in Mexico where Laurean was arrested Thursday, Brown said.

Laurean, a Marine corporal accused of first-degree murder in the bludgeoning death of pregnant colleague Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, had been on the lam since Jan. 11.

Brown replied to the e-mail, saying he felt compelled to be honest and could not guarantee immunity, but "turning yourself in would be a positive step, the wisest thing you could do."

[ceeaura]

I sooo want him to do his time in Leavenworth.Now knowing he contacted
Sheriff Brown in trying to make sure he would not go there...I want him there more :behindbar

[nanandjim]

DA Hudson is on Greta saying that Christina had contemplated suicide in January and the only reason she didn't follow through was because of her 18 month old daughter. He's saying he's convinced she wasn't involved in any way with Maria's death.
I was very naive when I was married to my ex-husband, a marine. I think that I probably would have gone off the deep end, too. I couldn't financially support myself as Christina probably cannot.

I am the type of person who pretty much goes along and doesn't pay a lot of attention to detail. So, I guess that I can buy that she was just going along. If she works and takes care of a small child, she was very busy.

I'm just trying to give another side of the story. I don't believe that Christina was involved in the actual murder of Maria; however, it sounds like she believed her husband and confronted Maria. I also believed anything that my ex-husband told me even though others told me that he was lying to me. He had me brainwashed, so to speak...

[BeavisMom62]

LOL since many of us are married to the forum atm What you making for dinner mom? You up for the task of cooking for us all? :dance:

Heck no! I just go and get the food. Hubby is the one that cooks!:woohoo:

[BeavisMom62]

I'll take a "Cesear" salad nicely sliced and diced! :crazy:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAA! ROFLMAO!!!! That was a good one, LD!!! :eek:

[BeavisMom62]

[quote=SieSie;2129591]:clap: Thanks, I was thinking how to word this exact sentiment!! :D[/quote

You're welcome!!:crazy:

[BeavisMom62]

http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html

"Cesar Laurean sent an e-mail to Sheriff Ed Brown almost two weeks before he was captured in Mexico, asking whether Brown could provide immunity from military prosecution if Laurean returned to Onslow County.

"I know they will convict me with no evidence, I can't risk Leavenworth or a chain gang," Laurean wrote in the e-mail sent March 30. The e-mail was traced by authorities to the region in Mexico where Laurean was arrested Thursday, Brown said.

Laurean, a Marine corporal accused of first-degree murder in the bludgeoning death of pregnant colleague Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach, had been on the lam since Jan. 11.

Brown replied to the e-mail, saying he felt compelled to be honest and could not guarantee immunity, but "turning yourself in would be a positive step, the wisest thing you could do."

Whoa! I didn't hear about that!?! I wonder why the sheriff didn't mention anything about this in the presser? Verrrry interesting! :confused:

[thefragile7393]

"I know they will convict me with no evidence, I can't risk Leavenworth or a chain gang," Laurean wrote in the e-mail sent March 30. The e-mail was traced by authorities to the region in Mexico where Laurean was arrested Thursday, Brown said.
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Well you should have thought of all that before you got yourself involved in this mess!!!

[KR2tonenow]

Wow, time for Laurean to start talking!!

[Crime-Dreamer]

Article from JDNews today. They were communicating through MySpace page. Marines are not going to be involved in extradition. E-mail to the sherrif and lots more.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html

[Crime-Dreamer]

E-mail to sherriff Ed Browne from CL and response e-mail only. From JDNews.com

http://www.jdnews.com/articles/brown_56022___article.html/note_cesar.html

[panthera]

Exactly! You wouldn't be feeling like offing yourself for what HE did tho.
I certainly wouldn't! First thing I'd do would be file for divorce, change my last name, and not allow him anywhere near me or my child. :)

[panthera]

Article from JDNews today. They were communicating through MySpace page. Marines are not going to be involved in extradition. E-mail to the sherrif and lots more.

http://www.jdnews.com/news/happen_56005___article.html/coordinated_effort.html
Thanks for posting the article link. I heard most of it last night on the news, but it does detail why his wife hasn't spoken to the media or why we haven't seen her. I thought the Marine Corps might be keeping her from doing that and it seems that's the case. I still can't fathom how she didn't know what he had done especially with all the painting and burying/burning Maria's body in the back yard.

[Mygirlsadie]

I snipped this from an aritcle I just read on Fox News...
Residents here said Laurean lived in a three-room wood cabin with a corrugated metal roof where he slept on a bed of crushed cardboard boxes. On Friday, there was a notebook on the cabin's floor showing that he kept a diary of his daily exercise routine, including push-ups, sit-ups and crunches. There were two shelves filled with canned tuna, instant soup and candy.
He walked to town daily, greeting those he passed, and spent hours at the local Internet cafe.


Hours at the Internet cafe? Who was he talking to for hours? :rolleyes: tuna,soup and candy? Hardly sounds like avacado's to me!

[Snowlover77]

It sounds more like she just didn't want to live life without Cesar and that she was devastated about his unfaithfulness to her more than a guilty conscience......I still believe she wasn't knowingly involved with Maria's murder or the cover up...you know the saying, LOVE IS BLIND rings so loud in all of this. Her love for Cesar didn't die when Maria did and it still hasn't. Many can't begin to understand that..we all have things we say we would do if we were in her shoes...the only thing I will say about that is..I AM GLAD I AM NOT IN HER SHOES . She is a victim as well. Both women were duped by Caesar...that is a fact.

[STEADFAST]

Thanks for posting the article link. I heard most of it last night on the news, but it does detail why his wife hasn't spoken to the media or why we haven't seen her. I thought the Marine Corps might be keeping her from doing that and it seems that's the case. I still can't fathom how she didn't know what he had done especially with all the painting and burying/burning Maria's body in the back yard.

I'm wondering if civilian LE may be backing off from Christina to give the Marine Corps a chance to prosecute her. They called her back to active duty, individually not as part of a unit, which is highly unusual unless they wanted to have her be subject to the UCMJ.

The DA has said that her behavior in communicating with Cesar is not against NC law, but she could definitely be charged by the military with communicating with a deserter and not revealing his location. They could also try to charge her with whatever other crimes they may suspect she has committed. But they can't do it if NC wants to try her first because of the protocol.

[Snowlover77]

It sounds more like she didn't want to live the rest of her life without Cesar and being devastated about his unfaithfulness more than a guilty conscience to me. I think he was her world..her life was centered around him and even though many can not understand her mindset....we have not lived her life the past 3 months...the only thing I can say is she is a victim too....I am not defending her but I am saying I do not believe she in any way knowingly particapated in the killing of Maria or the cover up...I am curious as to why the delay in turning the letter he left to her over to the cops..but we can all say what we would do and wouldn't do if were in her shoes...I only say this...I am glad I am not in her shoes. Let's face it, guys..both women were DUPED by Cesar...and I do believe both of these women(Christina and Maria) loved him like they never loved anyone else before. And look what it got them..one is dead and in the ground, the other is dead on the inside and has seriously wished she was dead and in the ground too. It's a sad sad situation for both women. Cesar is a cunning and narcisstic manipulator and I know there is a God and I have to trust that he will pay for all of this with his life. Justice for Maria..and the rest of the victms in this case.

[STEADFAST]

It sounds more like she didn't want to live the rest of her life without Cesar and being devastated about his unfaithfulness more than a guilty conscience to me. I think he was her world..her life was centered around him and even though many can not understand her mindset....we have not lived her life the past 3 months...the only thing I can say is she is a victim too....I am not defending her but I am saying I do not believe she in any way knowingly particapated in the killing of Maria or the cover up...I am curious as to why the delay in turning the letter he left to her over to the cops..but we can all say what we would do and wouldn't do if were in her shoes...I only say this...I am glad I am not in her shoes. Let's face it, guys..both women were DUPED by Cesar...and I do believe both of these women(Christina and Maria) loved him like they never loved anyone else before. And look what it got them..one is dead and in the ground, the other is dead on the inside and has seriously wished she was dead and in the ground too. It's a sad sad situation for both women. Cesar is a cunning and narcisstic manipulator and I know there is a God and I have to trust that he will pay for all of this with his life. Justice for Maria..and the rest of the victms in this case.

Snowlover, I just can't share in your faith in Christina. Her story of noticing nothing when so much was going on around her is just too farfetched for me to believe.

[panthera]

I snipped this from an aritcle I just read on Fox News...
Residents here said Laurean lived in a three-room wood cabin with a corrugated metal roof where he slept on a bed of crushed cardboard boxes. On Friday, there was a notebook on the cabin's floor showing that he kept a diary of his daily exercise routine, including push-ups, sit-ups and crunches. There were two shelves filled with canned tuna, instant soup and candy.
He walked to town daily, greeting those he passed, and spent hours at the local Internet cafe.


Hours at the Internet cafe? Who was he talking to for hours? :rolleyes: tuna,soup and candy? Hardly sounds like avacado's to me!
I too saw that article, and I think the cabin was in an avocado orchard. He was probably reading all the news he could about himself on the Internet and emailing his wife through myspace. He must have wanted to get caught! :D

[panthera]

I'm wondering if civilian LE may be backing off from Christina to give the Marine Corps a chance to prosecute her. They called her back to active duty, individually not as part of a unit, which is highly unusual unless they wanted to have her be subject to the UCMJ.

The DA has said that her behavior in communicating with Cesar is not against NC law, but she could definitely be charged by the military with communicating with a deserter and not revealing his location. They could also try to charge her with whatever other crimes they may suspect she has committed. But they can't do it if NC wants to try her first because of the protocol.
Oh, thank you so much for this information! I didn't realize there was anything the Marine Corps could hold against her. :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm wondering if civilian LE may be backing off from Christina to give the Marine Corps a chance to prosecute her. They called her back to active duty, individually not as part of a unit, which is highly unusual unless they wanted to have her be subject to the UCMJ.

The DA has said that her behavior in communicating with Cesar is not against NC law, but she could definitely be charged by the military with communicating with a deserter and not revealing his location. They could also try to charge her with whatever other crimes they may suspect she has committed. But they can't do it if NC wants to try her first because of the protocol.:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: You could very well be onto something. We can only hope! :)

[Snowlover77]

Steadfast, Love is blind..and in Christina's case.....it is a hundred times magnfied. I think she didn't notice anything because the painting had previously been planned..it wasn't so much f a spur of the moment thing, I don't think. The moving of the swingset and the dog...I can't say I would become suspicious abouit that either...about Maria's car being there..I can not say too much about that because I don't believe we have heard that story correctly. It was the holidays and they had planned this bon fire....that doesn;t make me suspicious either. Call me stupid but I don't think Christina knew to much of anything...I anxiously await the tral.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think you are stupid at all, but maybe you are romanticizing Christina and her over the top obsessive love for Cesar. You want so much to believe she is this doting, lovesick, schoolgirl of a wife. I say she isn't blinded by love, but blinded by a jealous rage instead.

She has proven herself to have a hot temper, to be aggressive, and openly confrontational to the woman who was bludgeoned in HER home, cut, burned, and buried in HER backyard (she didn't see him digging and did not smell flesh burning for days), and left there to literally smoke while they entertained HER friends and HER family. Then we are to believe she was so naive that she never knew any of it...from the very first blow which sent blood spraying all over her garage that she was helping to paint (and on someone's clothing which must have been washed and don't forget the bloody tennis shoe left on the stoop) to the digging of the "pit" which if you noticed after they had the fire...there was not a hole dug down for the "fence" they burned.

You are saying this girl was dumber than a box of rocks and oblivious to her surroundings. I can't forget she is an active Marine. They have certain requirements to be a Marine. Stupidity doesn't pass muster to get into the Corp last time I checked.

The Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) is a multiple choice test, administered by the United States Military Entrance Processing Command, used to determine qualification for enlistment in the United States armed forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASVAB

(if you can't pass the ASVAB, you are a danger to yourself and everyone around you)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk_archive/Science/2006_June_25

[gardenmom]

SS, thank you for linking to this new and awesome information. I might not have seen it otherwise.

[SeriouslySearching]

SS, thank you for linking to this new and awesome information. I might not have seen it otherwise. Oh!! You mean about Cesar's capture! LOL You are welcome, Gardenmom! (Thought it was a quick way to let everyone know)

[Mygirlsadie]

No Christine was way too obssesive over Ceaser to let anything get past her radar. She knew exactly where he was and when.





Steadfast, Love is blind..and in Christina's case.....it is a hundred times magnfied. I think she didn't notice anything because the painting had previously been planned..it wasn't so much f a spur of the moment thing, I don't think. The moving of the swingset and the dog...I can't say I would become suspicious abouit that either...about Maria's car being there..I can not say too much about that because I don't believe we have heard that story correctly. It was the holidays and they had planned this bon fire....that doesn;t make me suspicious either. Call me stupid but I don't think Christina knew to much of anything...I anxiously await the tral.

[ssgtbam]

Actually, it is not unusual for an individual to be activated in the Marine Corps from the Reserve. Rather it is only a unit that is activated for the purpose of the unit being needed as a unit. The IRR (Individual Ready Reserve) is generally what the inactive Marines are assigned to, and as such are able to be called back to active duty. I read somewhere that she had requested such an activation last year sometime, and this would be in keeping with such a request on the Marine's part. However, if she is considered to be a witness in any type of legal proceedings within the Corps, she may be recalled and placed on Legal Hold for an indefinate period of time. I am researching the UCMJ and Manual for Courts Martial to see if there are indeed charges which she can be facing through the violation of the UCMJ... will let you know what I find....

[ssgtbam]

From the Marine Corps Deserter Recovery Unit website:
According to the US Code, Title 18, Part I, Chapter 67, Paragraph 1381, there are significant penalties that may be levied on those who assist deserters, as noted below:

“Whoever entices or procures, or attempts or endeavors to entice or procure any person in the Armed forces of the United States, or who has been recruited for service therein, to desert therefrom, or aids any such person in deserting or in attempting to desert from such service, or:

Whoever harbors, conceals, protects, or assists any such person who may have deserted from such service, knowing him to have deserter therefrom, or refuses to give up and deliver such person on the demand of any officer authorized to receive him:

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”

Also...a point of interest here regarding his status as a Deserter...he would have been able to be declared a Deserter as soon as he went into Mexico because once he went into a foreign country for the purpose of being a fugitive there and residing there, he was able to be declared at that time. The circumstances do not necessarily have to be that they (the command) wait until the 31st day to change their status from UA to deserter.....

[oceanblueeyes]

In over 10 years of posting on Message Boards this case truly is one with the most intriguing twists and turns I have ever been interested in.

So much is just lurking beneath the surface in this case.

First, I have never seen a case where so many opinions have been expressed about the possible guilt of the wife when the spouse is the suspect. I am ONE of those people. I still think firmly that Christina Laurean had as much or MORE of a motive to do this.

I also find it rather unusual and unprofessional of a DA to come out in PCs and comment about private information he has learned about the case. It was totally unnecessary to disclose all of CSLs "poor pitiful me" thoughts. Or did Hudson think it was necessary that the potential jury pool sees the key witness as a downtrodden damsel in distress hoping that it bolsters her creditability. They seem to bless everything she does yet there she secretly sat for hours and hours talking to the fugitive that everyone was looking for.... I find their motive as trying to polish the golden egg very obvious and it convinces me that they need this woman to testify in this case, at all cost. That also leads me to believe the case is not as solid as they have led us to believe. She has about as much credibility and character as the Couey family scumbags who didn't tell LE about him either.:furious:

Also why stack charges on a solid first degree murder case that they absolutely think can be proven BARD knowing it would yield LWOP? Something is amiss in this case.

I do think they have uncovered plenty of evidence that pertains to the aftermath and cover up but that doesn't prove the murder case.

I think Christina knew and had known for awhile that Laurean did love Maria. I think she trapped this guy when he was merely 18 years old and still a kid. He married her out of duty imo and that is why she couldn't keep him from straying.

The very words of "I loved her" and his utterance of "Proof" shows there are many things we do not know about this case or the relationship between CAL and CSL and CAL and ML imo.

imoo

[STEADFAST]

Steadfast, Love is blind..and in Christina's case.....it is a hundred times magnfied. I think she didn't notice anything because the painting had previously been planned..it wasn't so much f a spur of the moment thing, I don't think. The moving of the swingset and the dog...I can't say I would become suspicious abouit that either...about Maria's car being there..I can not say too much about that because I don't believe we have heard that story correctly. It was the holidays and they had planned this bon fire....that doesn;t make me suspicious either. Call me stupid but I don't think Christina knew to much of anything...I anxiously await the tral.

Well, if Christina and Cesar had previously planned to paint the very walls where Maria's blood would show up and had planned to build a fire pit and have a bonfire in the very area that Maria's body would be buried. And they had planned beforehand to do those things at a time that happened to be just after Maria was murdered, I'd say the crime was premeditated by both of them.

Also, Christina helped with the painting. They were painting over blood stains. She must have been looking directly at the wall she was painting. So how did she not see the blood stains?

[Crime-Dreamer]

In over 10 years of posting on Message Boards this case truly is one with the most intriguing twists and turns I have ever been interested in.

So much is just lurking beneath the surface in this case.

First, I have never seen a case where so many opinions have been expressed about the possible guilt of the wife when the spouse is the suspect. I am ONE of those people. I still think firmly that Christina Laurean had as much or MORE of a motive to do this.

I also find it rather unusual and unprofessional of a DA to come out in PCs and comment about private information he has learned about the case. It was totally unnecessary to disclose all of CSLs "poor pitiful me" thoughts. Or did Hudson think it was necessary that the potential jury pool sees the key witness as a downtrodden damsel in distress hoping that it bolsters her creditability. They seem to bless everything she does yet there she secretly sat for hours and hours talking to the fugitive that everyone was looking for.... I find their motive as trying to polish the golden egg very obvious and it convinces me that they need this woman to testify in this case, at all cost. That also leads me to believe the case is not as solid as they have led us to believe. She has about as much credibility and character as the Couey family scumbags who didn't tell LE about him either.:furious:

Also why stack charges on a solid first degree murder case that they absolutely think can be proven BARD knowing it would yield LWOP? Something is amiss in this case.

I do think they have uncovered plenty of evidence that pertains to the aftermath and cover up but that doesn't prove the murder case.

I think Christina knew and had known for awhile that Laurean did love Maria. I think she trapped this guy when he was merely 18 years old and still a kid. He married her out of duty imo and that is why she couldn't keep him from straying.

The very words of "I loved her" and his utterance of "Proof" shows there are many things we do not know about this case or the relationship between CAL and CSL and CAL and ML imo.

imoo

Good points. And she does not have to testify against her husband so they must be very careful with her. They could also turn on each other and each say the other did it leaving it hard to convict either one. The bottom line is did he stray or was it rape?

[panthera]

I don't think you are stupid at all, but maybe you are romanticizing Christina and her over the top obsessive love for Cesar. You want so much to believe she is this doting, lovesick, schoolgirl of a wife. I say she isn't blinded by love, but blinded by a jealous rage instead.

She has proven herself to have a hot temper, to be aggressive, and openly confrontational to the woman who was bludgeoned in HER home, cut, burned, and buried in HER backyard (she didn't see him digging and did not smell flesh burning for days), and left there to literally smoke while they entertained HER friends and HER family. Then we are to believe she was so naive that she never knew any of it...from the very first blow which sent blood spraying all over her garage that she was helping to paint (and on someone's clothing which must have been washed and don't forget the bloody tennis shoe left on the stoop) to the digging of the "pit" which if you noticed after they had the fire...there was not a hole dug down for the "fence" they burned.

You are saying this girl was dumber than a box of rocks and oblivious to her surroundings. I can't forget she is an active Marine. They have certain requirements to be a Marine. Stupidity doesn't pass muster to get into the Corp last time I checked.

The Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery (ASVAB) is a multiple choice test, administered by the United States Military Entrance Processing Command, used to determine qualification for enlistment in the United States armed forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASVAB

(if you can't pass the ASVAB, you are a danger to yourself and everyone around you)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk_archive/Science/2006_June_25
Very excellent post, SS :clap: :clap: :clap: and I agree that she'd have to be totally brainless to not have known anything, in fact as you said, she's the one who showed hostility toward Maria. So the problem seems to be with why the DA believes she wasn't involved.

[panthera]

In over 10 years of posting on Message Boards this case truly is one with the most intriguing twists and turns I have ever been interested in.

So much is just lurking beneath the surface in this case.

First, I have never seen a case where so many opinions have been expressed about the possible guilt of the wife when the spouse is the suspect. I am ONE of those people. I still think firmly that Christina Laurean had as much or MORE of a motive to do this.

I also find it rather unusual and unprofessional of a DA to come out in PCs and comment about private information he has learned about the case. It was totally unnecessary to disclose all of CSLs "poor pitiful me" thoughts. Or did Hudson think it was necessary that the potential jury pool sees the key witness as a downtrodden damsel in distress hoping that it bolsters her creditability. They seem to bless everything she does yet there she secretly sat for hours and hours talking to the fugitive that everyone was looking for.... I find their motive as trying to polish the golden egg very obvious and it convinces me that they need this woman to testify in this case, at all cost. That also leads me to believe the case is not as solid as they have led us to believe. She has about as much credibility and character as the Couey family scumbags who didn't tell LE about him either.:furious:

Also why stack charges on a solid first degree murder case that they absolutely think can be proven BARD knowing it would yield LWOP? Something is amiss in this case.

I do think they have uncovered plenty of evidence that pertains to the aftermath and cover up but that doesn't prove the murder case.

I think Christina knew and had known for awhile that Laurean did love Maria. I think she trapped this guy when he was merely 18 years old and still a kid. He married her out of duty imo and that is why she couldn't keep him from straying.

The very words of "I loved her" and his utterance of "Proof" shows there are many things we do not know about this case or the relationship between CAL and CSL and CAL and ML imo.

imoo
So good to see you again, Ocean! :) I too think there's a lot we don't know and I have issues with the DA's comments. How can he be SO sure? Or is he trying to make her look like a saint for the potential jurors so they'll believe that CL acted alone in killing Maria? This last part you posted is something I think will be a key part of his defense. Despite his note that said Maria killed herself, I wonder if his defense is going to be that his wife had as much motive to kill Maria as the state believes he did?

[FMRUSMC]

I snipped this from an aritcle I just read on Fox News...
Residents here said Laurean lived in a three-room wood cabin with a corrugated metal roof where he slept on a bed of crushed cardboard boxes. On Friday, there was a notebook on the cabin's floor showing that he kept a diary of his daily exercise routine, including push-ups, sit-ups and crunches. There were two shelves filled with canned tuna, instant soup and candy.
He walked to town daily, greeting those he passed, and spent hours at the local Internet cafe.
Hours at the Internet cafe? Who was he talking to for hours? :rolleyes: tuna,soup and candy? Hardly sounds like avacado's to me!

Da' POS is going to get lots of time to excercise except now it's going to be mandatory. Good thing he's staying in shape. Welcome ssgtbam. Semper Fi.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think perhaps it is the old "give 'em enough rope to hang themselves" tactic with the way LE and the DA are handling Christina. They have to be careful since she has an attorney (note...she needs an attorney!) and is an active Marine. Maybe there is something in the works with them as Stead pointed out.

[tiredblondy]

Hi all, I must join the ranks of those who think Christina is involved. A long time ago I said women are the ones who key cars out of anger and spite. (I was the victim of one.) I would not be surprised to learn she delivered the fatal blow or the one who held the knife to Maria's throat. I do not believe he preplanned this. To me it sounds like a woman's plans. The last chance before Maria's leaving. I just do not think he planned and carried all this out alone.

[tiredblondy]

I think perhaps it is the old "give 'em enough rope to hang themselves" tactic with the way LE and the DA are handling Christina. They have to be careful since she has an attorney (note...she needs an attorney!) and is an active Marine. Maybe there is something in the works with them as Stead pointed out.


I so agree and sincerely hope so.:confused: something is not right

[SeriouslySearching]

What if Christina found out about a plan where Maria and Cesar were planning to leave to go to El Paso? What measures would she take to stop them? If she were to kill Maria in front of Cesar and told him no one would believe that he did not do it (which is true)...could be he was forced to go along with her plan of covering up everything including writing the note then leaving.

[panthera]

What if Christina found out about a plan where Maria and Cesar were planning to leave to go to El Paso? What measures would she take to stop them? If she were to kill Maria in front of Cesar and told him no one would believe that he did not do it (which is true)...could be he was forced to go along with her plan of covering up everything including writing the note then leaving.
And how do we know who said "are you with me on this"? We haven't heard from CL yet. Maybe it wasn't him who said that when they went to his attorney? Just a thought. :)

[Mygirlsadie]

Cesar is going to have alot of questions to answer and alot of talking to do so when his chain of events don't match up exactly to Christine's I wonder if they will then bring her in for questioning or how is that going to work?




And how do we know who said "are you with me on this"? We haven't heard from CL yet. Maybe it wasn't him who said that when they went to his attorney? Just a thought. :)

[Snowlover77]

Good post, Steadfast. I think Cesar had cleaned up most of the blood..what would visible to the naked eye anyway before they painted. I think he hid Maria's body and when Christna was asleep(or not home) he buried her in the backyard....and then decided to ruin as much evidence as possible he decided to burn her body and the fetus...trying to make DNA testing not possible and also trying to hide the fact that she was killed by blunt force trauma..not by her cutting her own throat as he has saud she did.

[panthera]

Cesar is going to have alot of questions to answer and alot of talking to do so when his chain of events don't match up exactly to Christine's I wonder if they will then bring her in for questioning or how is that going to work?
I don't think she'll be questioned just because he might say something different. He is, after all, the suspect so he's supposed to try to blame someone else. ;) He might not even say anything until and if he gets on the stand at his trial.

[STEADFAST]

Good post, Steadfast. I think Cesar had cleaned up most of the blood..what would visible to the naked eye anyway before they painted. I think he hid Maria's body and when Christna was asleep(or not home) he buried her in the backyard....and then decided to ruin as much evidence as possible he decided to burn her body and the fetus...trying to make DNA testing not possible and also trying to hide the fact that she was killed by blunt force trauma..not by her cutting her own throat as he has saud she did.

I'm totally with you, Snowlover -- except on the part about Christina knowing about it afterwards.:)

[Snowlover77]

Seriously Searching, Thanks for the awesome thread you started . It is exactly what I wanted.
You raise valid points about Christina. I may end up when all is said and done eating big time crow..but it's ok. I will stick with my opinion about Cesar alone killing Maria and Christina not knowing about it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Good post, Steadfast. I think Cesar had cleaned up most of the blood..what would visible to the naked eye anyway before they painted. I think he hid Maria's body and when Christna was asleep(or not home) he buried her in the backyard....and then decided to ruin as much evidence as possible he decided to burn her body and the fetus...trying to make DNA testing not possible and also trying to hide the fact that she was killed by blunt force trauma..not by her cutting her own throat as he has saud she did.How do you explain her not smelling burning hair and flesh for 3 days or however long it took to burn her and the baby? Have you ever smelled hair burning?

[STEADFAST]

Seriously Searching, Thanks for the awesome thread you started . It is exactly what I wanted.
You raise valid points about Christina. I may end up when all is said and done eating big time crow..but it's ok. I will stick with my opinion about Cesar alone killing Maria and Christina not knowing about it.

I just made a "guilt poll" thread so we can see which way the wind is blowing. Please vote, everybody!

[SeriouslySearching]

Seriously Searching, Thanks for the awesome thread you started . It is exactly what I wanted.
You raise valid points about Christina. I may end up when all is said and done eating big time crow..but it's ok. I will stick with my opinion about Cesar alone killing Maria and Christina not knowing about it.You are welcome. :) Anyone can start a thread on this forum about anything dealing with this case tho! Feel free, everyone! We have LOTS of space to spread it all out! Woohoo!

I have eaten crow on many cases and undoubtedly will again...maybe even on this one! Goes with the territory of thinking outside the box, I guess. LOL

[close_enough]

Seriously Searching, Thanks for the awesome thread you started . It is exactly what I wanted.
You raise valid points about Christina. I may end up when all is said and done eating big time crow..but it's ok. I will stick with my opinion about Cesar alone killing Maria and Christina not knowing about it.

i guess we're in the minority here, but i've been 'there' before, so it doesn't matter....i too believe that Cesar acted alone, in killing Maria, & that Christina is not involved...even in trying to cover it up, knowingly.....

[Snowlover77]

Seriously Searching, I remember the shoe..it was discovered by Greta or someone with her when they did a taping for her show at Laurean's house. But I don't recall it ever being reported that there was blood on it...they said it could be blood but I don't think they ever released the test results. Once again, I was OVER THE MOON when I saw your thread..the opinion and theory. I am delighted!!! One day soon hopefully I will learn to do things like that on WS.

[Snowlover77]

Dear SS, Yes, I have smelt hair burn before..I have smelled burned dead bodies quite a few times in my life also. I was a firefighter for 12 years. But in this case...I think because there was so much stuff piled on top of the fire opit that u could disquise the odor with various accelerants and him being a Marine, he would I am sure have some knowledge about that type of stuff. Thwe weather would also help because it was in December...a cold time of the year.

[SeriouslySearching]

Snow~ It is so easy! Go to the main forum: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=136

Look on the top lefthand side of all the threads posted and you will see the button that says: New Thread. Click it and add your title of the thread...then simply post what you want to like you do anywhere else here at WS. :)

Hope that helps.

[Snowlover77]

YIPPE!!!! Hi Close enough! Glad to have someone agree with me! Hey we might end up being wrong but no biggie if we are... I will stand by my theory.

[Snowlover77]

SS, Seems like I rememebr reading where Christina had been gone for awhile back in December so if that proves to be true..that would be why she couldn't or didn't notice anything suspicious or smell anything suspicious.

[panthera]

I just made a "guilt poll" thread so we can see which way the wind is blowing. Please vote, everybody!
Thanks and I replied but I'm holding off voting for now. :)

[Snowlover77]

SS, I know how to start a thread but nothing like the poll type thread u started. It's cool!

[SeriouslySearching]

Dear SS, Yes, I have smelt hair burn before..I have smelled burned dead bodies quite a few times in my life also. I was a firefighter for 12 years. But in this case...I think because there was so much stuff piled on top of the fire opit that u could disquise the odor with various accelerants and him being a Marine, he would I am sure have some knowledge about that type of stuff. The weather would also help because it was in December...a cold time of the year.I don't think there was a large pile of stuff on top of her when she burned because there was dirt underneath the pile of fencing etc. at the bon fires, IIRC. She was buried underneath the ground by then in a shallow grave. I don't think they said anything about finding a lot of debris when they dug down and around to remove her body either.

I respect that you were a firefighter, but I don't know that accelerants could disguise the stench so readily. (Why would Cesar know how to burn bodies with no smell? Are they teaching this in the Marines?! ACK!)

[STEADFAST]

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I respect that you were a firefighter, but I don't know that accelerants could disguise the stench so readily. (Why would Cesar know how to burn bodies with no smell? Are they teaching this in the Marines?! ACK!)

I don't think they're teaching that to personnel clerks, anyway!

[panthera]

I don't think there was a large pile of stuff on top of her when she burned because there was dirt underneath the pile of fencing etc. at the bon fires, IIRC. She was buried underneath the ground by then in a shallow grave. I don't think they said anything about finding a lot of debris when they dug down and around to remove her body either.

I respect that you were a firefighter, but I don't know that accelerants could disguise the stench so readily. (Why would Cesar know how to burn bodies with no smell? Are they teaching this in the Marines?! ACK!)
I read somewhere that there is a type of "cooking" he could've learned in Mexico but I can't remember the specific name of it, that this firepit resembled. I don't think he used any accelerant and I also remember he'd lit the fire more than once.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think you are thinking of the term: barbacoa. This is refered to as the dish and not the pit it is cooked in. Most things I read refer to it simply as pit cooking.

I don't think the pit was filled with coals underneath her body which would be required. Also, I don't know that her body would have burned like it did with only coals. I think oxygen and an open flame were evident there.

[panthera]

I think you are thinking of the term: barbacoa. This is refered to as the dish and not the pit it is cooked in. Most things I read refer to it simply as pit cooking.

I don't think the pit was filled with coals underneath her body which would be required. Also, I don't know that her body would have burned like it did with only coals. I think oxygen and an open flame were evident there.
Yes, that is the word I'd seen, but I didn't realize it didn't apply to the type of cooking or that coal was part of it. Thanks! :)

[oceanblueeyes]

Good points. And she does not have to testify against her husband so they must be very careful with her. They could also turn on each other and each say the other did it leaving it hard to convict either one. The bottom line is did he stray or was it rape?

I noticed how casually Hudson put that out there.

He said it was obvious to him that Christina was torn by her love she has for her husband and angry with him for cheating on her. Hmmmmmmm was this a misspeak on Hudson's part or does he know that CAL did indeed have a willing affair with Maria. It sounds to me like he knows they did.

imoo

[Jolynna]

I noticed how casually Hudson put that out there.

He said it was obvious to him that Christina was torn by her love she has for her husband and angry with him for cheating on her. Hmmmmmmm was this a misspeak on Hudson's part or does he know that CAL did indeed have a willing affair with Maria. It sounds to me like he knows they did.

imoo

I caught that, too.

And think the same as you.

[oceanblueeyes]

I think you are thinking of the term: barbacoa. This is referred to as the dish and not the pit it is cooked in. Most things I read refer to it simply as pit cooking.

I don't think the pit was filled with coals underneath her body which would be required. Also, I don't know that her body would have burned like it did with only coals. I think oxygen and an open flame were evident there.

I think all of that was salacious spin. Charcoal has never been mentioned, in fact I don't think they found any accelerates on the body or clothing. The body was buried in a shallow grave of about three feet and it was covered with dirt. As the embers from the bonfire died down he added more dirt on top so imo there absolutely was no odor at all. She was entombed in the cavity of the grave.

I don't use my fire pit to cook. It is used for bonfires where wood is placed on top of the ground. We start ours using dead limbs and put newspaper under them and they ignite quickly.

If he wanted to burn her body he certainly could have done so and there would have been nothing left but ashes. They found clothing and even a plastic bag with baby clothes in it where they could even read the size. This shows she was not burned in an open pit with no dirt covering her.

She became charred due to the heat directly above ground and most likely as she began to decompose her body shrank from 140 to 95 pounds causing the grave to collapse some causing him to add more dirt. That would mean the dirt around her body would shift and cause tiny crevices and tiny cracks in the soil where the small staples that had come from the old fencing would fall through onto her body. The fire may have been more on the end where her bottom portion was and less in the upper portion. With the ME being able to measure the size and depth of the superficial wound on her neck it again shows she was not placed in an open pit and burned imo. He even could see it did not go through her neck muscle from what IIRC.

Even CS believes CAL did not purposefully intend to burn her body up but used the bonfire fire pit to disguise where he had placed the grave. That is why he has not been charged with desecrating the body. They have to have evidence of intent and if he intended to do it he would have burned all of her body not just parts.

JMO

[oceanblueeyes]

So good to see you again, Ocean! :) I too think there's a lot we don't know and I have issues with the DA's comments. How can he be SO sure? Or is he trying to make her look like a saint for the potential jurors so they'll believe that CL acted alone in killing Maria? This last part you posted is something I think will be a key part of his defense. Despite his note that said Maria killed herself, I wonder if his defense is going to be that his wife had as much motive to kill Maria as the state believes he did?

Well LTNS, my friend!:blowkiss:

You know what it reminded me of? The way Gloria Alred built up Amber Frey's image and credibility before the trial.

Sure was a strange thing to witness though coming from a DA. Now her hired defense attorney said what we would expect him to say.

imoo

[FMRUSMC]

Dear SS, Yes, I have smelt hair burn before..I have smelled burned dead bodies quite a few times in my life also. I was a firefighter for 12 years. But in this case...I think because there was so much stuff piled on top of the fire opit that u could disquise the odor with various accelerants and him being a Marine, he would I am sure have some knowledge about that type of stuff. Thwe weather would also help because it was in December...a cold time of the year.

Didn't LE state the 'bodies' were way down and possibly dirt was over them so it was more like the 'bodies' were baked and not burned? I am still concerned about Maria's car being for sale, did anyone ever get a handwriting analysis on this? How did Xtina miss him driving the car for a week? What is her MOS? Is she really that vulnerable? WOW.

[Jolynna]

i guess we're in the minority here, but i've been 'there' before, so it doesn't matter....i too believe that Cesar acted alone, in killing Maria, & that Christina is not involved...even in trying to cover it up, knowingly.....

Put me in that minority, too.

Although I think Christina probably helped afterwards, I think it possible for her not to have. I'd have to vote not guilty (of not doing more than what LE said she did) based on the evidence made public.

[panthera]

Well LTNS, my friend!:blowkiss:

You know what it reminded me of? The way Gloria Alred built up Amber Frey's image and credibility before the trial.

Sure was a strange thing to witness though coming from a DA. Now her hired defense attorney said what we would expect him to say.

imoo
That is a good comparison! Yes, it was very unusual to me also, and I think it was to bolster her credibility for the trial since it's basically going to be her word against whatever his defense puts up. So many in the area as well as on the boards think she was involved so the DA is trying to clear her name, imo.

[panthera]

I noticed how casually Hudson put that out there.

He said it was obvious to him that Christina was torn by her love she has for her husband and angry with him for cheating on her. Hmmmmmmm was this a misspeak on Hudson's part or does he know that CAL did indeed have a willing affair with Maria. It sounds to me like he knows they did.

imoo
And that's another point of agreement. :) That phrase ("cheating") isn't usually used when talking about someone who allegedly raped another woman. And there was one time that we know of where it was termed consensual, so the "rape" was probably more of a "date rape" (if even that) than what we normally think of as a rapist. I still think it's possible the "rape" became that when Maria found out he was married and thought she might be pregnant.

[FMRUSMC]

Didn't LE state the 'bodies' were way down and possibly dirt was over them so it was more like the 'bodies' were baked and not burned? I am still concerned about Maria's car being for sale, did anyone ever get a handwriting analysis on this? How did Xtina miss him driving the car for a week? What is her MOS? Is she really that vulnerable? WOW.

I hate to quote myself but my son and I were just talking and 'Pig roast' are real big in North Carolina. I remember now, this is basically what the POS did!:chicken: :eek:

[oceanblueeyes]

That is a good comparison! Yes, it was very unusual to me also, and I think it was to bolster her credibility for the trial since it's basically going to be her word against whatever his defense puts up. So many in the area as well as on the boards think she was involved so the DA is trying to clear her name, imo.


From the polls I have seen coming out of that county DA Hudson is fighting an uphill battle. Every poll I have seen the majority think she is involved in the crime itself. I saw one today and about 3% thought Cesar did this on his own.

imoo

[FMRUSMC]

And that's another point of agreement. :) That phrase ("cheating") isn't usually used when talking about someone who allegedly raped another woman. And there was one time that we know of where it was termed consensual, so the "rape" was probably more of a "date rape" (if even that) than what we normally think of as a rapist. I still think it's possible the "rape" became that when Maria found out he was married and thought she might be pregnant.

Marines talk and she worked in admin also so she had access to records that stated his maritial status. It's like working in an HR department. Being a women, IMO she went to his records ASAP to verify this.

[panthera]

From the polls I have seen coming out of that county DA Hudson is fighting an uphill battle. Every poll I have seen the majority think she is involved in the crime itself. I saw one today and about 3% thought Cesar did this on his own.

imoo
I saw that one too! His defense attorneys should be happy. :eek:

[FMRUSMC]

From the polls I have seen coming out of that county DA Hudson is fighting an uphill battle. Every poll I have seen the majority think she is involved in the crime itself. I saw one today and about 3% thought Cesar did this on his own.

imoo

thanks obe's. she helped paint the 'accent wall' the color of 'Dried Blood'. My wife picks out yellows, pale blues or if in a bold manner shades of bright maroon but not 'Dried Blood Red'. Marines could have painted Scarlet and Gold to be 'Ooh-Rah' but not that, IMO.:bang: :waitasec:

[panthera]

Marines talk and she worked in admin also so she had access to records that stated his maritial status. It's like working in an HR department. Being a women, IMO she went to his records ASAP to verify this.
I forgot she'd have access to his records. I guess that she must have known all along then.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ocean, I don't see how a fire on top of a grave can cause such damage to a body. The baby's hand was burned completely off which meant the fire had to burn through Maria's abdomen, muscles, uterus, and the placenta to reach that baby. I don't see how heat from a bonfire can do that much damage. I think there had to be an open flame directly on her body. (Sorry for the graphics.)

[Mygirlsadie]

My God SS... what happened to Maria and the baby was horrific to say the least. To think Christine is STILL concerned over the fact that Cesar cheated on her makes me sick and even more on the side that she is indeed guilty of this crime in some way herself. My husband cheating on me would be the least of my worries if I were in her situation. Your gonna tell me that your husband murdered, buried and cooked another women & her baby (most likely HIS baby) in your back yard and your still fuming over an affair? Christine is guilty as hell, she is still after all this a women scorned! I don't know if maybe she is a little bit retarded or completely psycho?






Ocean, I don't see how a fire on top of a grave can cause such damage to a body. The baby's hand was burned completely off which meant the fire had to burn through Maria's abdomen, muscles, uterus, and the placenta to reach that baby. I don't see how heat from a bonfire can do that much damage. I think there had to be an open flame directly on her body. (Sorry for the graphics.)

[SeriouslySearching]

You do raise a valid point. How can she be so selfish to be concerned with him cheating on her in light of what she claims he has done? You would think that it would be the furthest thing from her mind.

She isn't writing about what a monster she is married to, about how she never knew that side of him capable of this horrific murder, or about how the father of her child is now going to spend the rest of his life in jail. She is writing about how Cesar and Maria were lovers and trying to come to terms with THAT!

I would say it is totally inappropriate behavior to the nth degree. No woman in her shoes would be dwelling on that part of this story, imo. A woman and baby murdered inside her home with her skull bashed in, throat slashed, burned, then baked should have become her main focus and anger against the man she says that did this crime! Not still be angry he cheated.

[oceanblueeyes]

Ocean, I don't see how a fire on top of a grave can cause such damage to a body. The baby's hand was burned completely off which meant the fire had to burn through Maria's abdomen, muscles, uterus, and the placenta to reach that baby. I don't see how heat from a bonfire can do that much damage. I think there had to be an open flame directly on her body. (Sorry for the graphics.)


I understand that SS but I don't want to be too graphic either but that really doesn't have to happen.

I think as Gabriel decomposed and was charred by the trapped heat.... the little hand came loose at the wrist and fell away from the arm. If there were open flames then poor Gabriel's very soft and plyable hand would have burned up quickly since it is so tender. For that little hand to survive there was no open flames in that pit only on top of the ground imo.

If one builds a raging bonfire above ground it heats the ground below and any cavity where the heat becomes trapped. Now the earth wasn't packed like originally and it is very hard to get dirt back in as solid as it was before the hole was dug even if it is put back in and packed down. I dig holes all the time for my plants and think I have enough dirt but as the dirt settles I have to go back and add more because no matter what unless packed by some type of equipment it will have air pockets of some kind and is never as packed tight as the original undisturbed earth.

If there had been a flame on top of an open grave there is absolutely no way that any recognizable clothing could be unidentified. Yet the plastic bag which we all know burns quickly and will instantly go poof without any effort even if close to a flame, was found along with being able to identify the shirt color, a bra etc. and the size of the baby outfit was still identifiable. They even took a sample of Maria's hair and hair is the first to burn up quickly if it comes in contact with an open flame. With Maria being placed on her side it brought her body up closer to the above heat from the fire than if she was placed in a totally prone position laying flat.

Heat of any kind can cause this even when the heat is not directly placed. For example if we cut our ovens down to a low 250 degrees but left it on for hours and hours when cooking .........well you know what I am saying..and like I said I dont want to be too graphic either. Now a bonfire has a much higher temperture than 200 degrees.

The ME has seen these bodies and so have LE yet LE still maintains that they believe that he did not have intent to burn the bodies and he continued to add dirt as the grave settled. CS said it is their belief that he meant to camouflage where he had buried Maria. If they thought he had intended to do that they would have had no qualms in charging him with desecrating their bodies. If they can tack on a misdemeanor charge for the attempted use of her card they certainly would attach this charge as that offense would be more severe.

Don't get me wrong....it is a sad and horrible thing what happened to them to start with and to their bodies but I truly feel it was not done as some plan to burn them in an open flame pit...... if that were the case there would be nothing but ashes and maybe bone fragments left. The ME said that Maria's body when recovered was 95 pounds. She had shrunk for her original weight of 140 pounds due to the vast decomposition and charring.

imoo

[LinasK]

You do raise a valid point. How can she be so selfish to be concerned with him cheating on her in light of what she claims he has done? You would think that it would be the furthest thing from her mind.

She isn't writing about what a monster she is married to, about how she never knew that side of him capable of this horrific murder, or about how the father of her child is now going to spend the rest of his life in jail. She is writing about how Cesar and Maria were lovers and trying to come to terms with THAT!

I would say it is totally inappropriate behavior to the nth degree. No woman in her shoes would be dwelling on that part of this story, imo. A woman and baby murdered inside her home with her skull bashed in, throat slashed, burned, then baked should have become her main focus and anger against the man she says that did this crime! Not still be angry he cheated.

All of this points to me that she wanted Maria dead, wanted her competition out of the way, and had some sort of hand in it, if she didn't kill her or help him kill her, she at least had knowledge of it and helped with the cover-up. If she was truly innocent, she'd be mad at him for the murder.

[SeriouslySearching]

OK Ocean, I will take your word for it. :) I guess I really didn't want to consider that all those people were standing around while she smoldered. Which raises another question for me: How did those Marines and others not smell her and the baby "baking and charring"? They were not cooking over that fire. It should have had a stench.

(I am going back to review reports on the fire. I don't recall specifically what Brown said now.)

[panthera]

You do raise a valid point. How can she be so selfish to be concerned with him cheating on her in light of what she claims he has done? You would think that it would be the furthest thing from her mind.

She isn't writing about what a monster she is married to, about how she never knew that side of him capable of this horrific murder, or about how the father of her child is now going to spend the rest of his life in jail. She is writing about how Cesar and Maria were lovers and trying to come to terms with THAT!

I would say it is totally inappropriate behavior to the nth degree. No woman in her shoes would be dwelling on that part of this story, imo. A woman and baby murdered inside her home with her skull bashed in, throat slashed, burned, then baked should have become her main focus and anger against the man she says that did this crime! Not still be angry he cheated.
AMEN!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: Add to that, she wouldn't be secretly communicating with him while he is a fugitive in Mexico unless she was going to run to LE with the information where he was!

[oceanblueeyes]

AMEN!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: Add to that, she wouldn't be secretly communicating with him while he is a fugitive in Mexico unless she was going to run to LE with the information where he was!

Was this a subliminal message to Cesar? That she is blaming him for THIS because none of it would have happened if he hadn't been cheating on her with Maria?

Is this the way she may place blame absolving herself of her own guilt in wrongdoings she may be guilty of concerning this crime????:eek:

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

OK Ocean, I will take your word for it. :) I guess I really didn't want to consider that all those people were standing around while she smoldered. Which raises another question for me: How did those Marines and others not smell her and the baby "baking and charring"? They were not cooking over that fire. It should have had a stench.

(I am going back to review reports on the fire. I don't recall specifically what Brown said now.)

Hi SS!

I am not sure that there would be an odor. She was trapped beneath the soil and dirt was over the top.

[raisincharlie]

I haven't seen this link posted but if it has been - sorry. It gives a good deal of information about where and how Laurean was hiding/living. Also he apparently went into town quite frequently to the internet cafe.

One other thing - NCIS is waiting for his return to obtain a DNA sample to be used for determining the paternity of the baby. Many had questions as to if that had been done - apparently, not yet.

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/world/story/2724127/


"On Friday, Navy investigators said they would wait until Laurean is returned to the United States to perform a paternity test to determine if he was the father of the unborn child, because they want a reliable DNA sample from him."

[JDB]

AMEN!!! :clap: :clap: :clap: Add to that, she wouldn't be secretly communicating with him while he is a fugitive in Mexico unless she was going to run to LE with the information where he was!

But what everyone keeps forgetting and more then likley they want to see christina to get charged is this. The LE have stated the knew where Lauren was hiding in Mexico. Now we need to open our eyes and see that the way the knew was because Christina told them about the e-mails. Since day 1 the LE has stated she was cooperating with both the LE and the USMC.:crazy:

[Tom'sGirl]

But what everyone keeps forgetting and more then likley they want to see christina to get charged is this. The LE have stated the knew where Lauren was hiding in Mexico. Now we need to open our eyes and see that the way the knew was because Christina told them about the e-mails. Since day 1 the LE has stated she was cooperating with both the LE and the USMC.:crazy:
No JDB, Christina DID NOT inform the LE that she was communicating with Cesar.

The LE had been monitoring Internet activity and that's the reason they obtained a Search Warrant for her sister's computer, she didn't offer up the computer or notify them she was communicating with Cesar.

[Pocono Sleuther]

That's right Tom's Girl, her 'cooperation' did not include telling the police she was communicating with her husband regularly.

Now, that's sure innerestin, if ya ask me.

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree, TG and Pocono. Christina's "cooperation" they keep talking about somehow keeps showing up as definitely not happening on many accounts. It isn't just the emails she has tried to keep from LE. It goes back to her waiting 24 hours to report that he took off and from then on...her "cooperation" has been in question. No one has even brought up the fact she hired an attorney immediately instead of going to LE with the note that says Cesar hid Maria's body! She was worried about covering her own @ss from the very beginning.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi SS!

I am not sure that there would be an odor. She was trapped beneath the soil and dirt was over the top.You said there had to be air and cracks for the heat to char her body. If there were...the same would apply for the odor to escape.

[JDB]

I agree, TG and Pocono. Christina's "cooperation" they keep talking about somehow keeps showing up as definitely not happening on many accounts. It isn't just the emails she has tried to keep from LE. It goes back to her waiting 24 hours to report that he took off and from then on...her "cooperation" has been in question. No one has even brought up the fact she hired an attorney immediately instead of going to LE with the note that says Cesar hid Maria's body! She was worried about covering her own @ss from the very beginning.

SS where do u get 24 Hours? Cl was seen that morning outside. He left she went to the USMC or the LE a few hours later.Which was only she saw the note.

[Littledeer]

JDB:

You were there with us at the beginning. Remember, all the confusion on when the neighbor had ACTUALLY seen CL in the driveway?? First it was the night before in the evening in the driveway with Christina, then it was the next moring, with just CL getting into a vehicle.

This is what I had written in the Timeline:

1/11/08 (Friday)

FOX: Week before 1/11, X-Tina tells Alander's wife that she and CL were painting the inside of garage and some rooms in home.
Marines: CL doesn't call in. Fails to report to work. Is reported UA.
AMW: CL doesn't report to work.
Sheriff's Office holds press conference.
- Maria believed to be dead and buried in Onslow County
- CL considered POI
Christina gives note to authorities
FOX: Alander's wife sees CL in driveway getting ready to leave in his truck @ 6:30 A.M.

But don't forget, Alander had stated somewhere that it was the night before that he saw CL..........

SS.............sorry if this is NOT what your thinking of. Was just trying to help. There are still a lot of "FACTS" that are not know and are not in the Timeline. But if you do have something for that 24 hours............please provide a link and I will post it to the Timeline.

Hugs to both of you!! :blowkiss:

[panthera]

Was this a subliminal message to Cesar? That she is blaming him for THIS because none of it would have happened if he hadn't been cheating on her with Maria?

Is this the way she may place blame absolving herself of her own guilt in wrongdoings she may be guilty of concerning this crime????:eek:

imoo
I'd be willing to bet that she issued him an ultimatum before he left ~ "Here's what you're going to put in the note, I'm going to give you a head start, but I'm going to LE Friday morning so they don't think I was involved. You got yourself into this mess and I'm not going to lose our daughter because you got that *insert word* pregnant!" Just my hypothetical scenario of what really happened before he left, not that she went to sleep and awoke and found his notes. :)

[panthera]

No JDB, Christina DID NOT inform the LE that she was communicating with Cesar.

The LE had been monitoring Internet activity and that's the reason they obtained a Search Warrant for her sister's computer, she didn't offer up the computer or notify them she was communicating with Cesar.
And he also communicated directly with Sheriff Brown at the end of March, which led to them finding him. I don't see where she did anything to help LE. And her not sending the money he asked for was only so she wouldn't be charged with aiding/abetting a fugitive, imo.

[SeriouslySearching]

SS where do u get 24 Hours? Cl was seen that morning outside. He left she went to the USMC or the LE a few hours later.Which was only she saw the note.Sorry...I don't even know where I came up with that number. I meant 6-8 hours. It was enough time for him to get away. The neighbor did say she saw him at 6:30 am, but I think there was a dispute over the day or something. (I went back to try to find it, but didn't.)

When I have time I will go back into the records we have and try to put together how long exactly it took Christina to "come forward" with the note after calling for an Atty for herself etc. She should have picked up the phone and dialed 911 the second she read it...but she did not...which is exactly my point!! She waited and stalled until she had given him enough time to get away from Jacksonville.

BTW~ After rereading our first couple of threads, I saw where they found blood spatter on the ceiling, too. Was this in the garage or the bedroom? Did they ever say?

[BeavisMom62]

I'm pretty sure it was the garage, SS. I don't recall that anything was found in the bedroom, was it? Or am I mistaken?

[Mygirlsadie]

Since Christina is and has been all lawyered up I am pretty sure her lawyer told her exactly what she could and couldn't do when it came to Cesar and contacting him etc.. She ''knew'' she could talk to him and she wouldn't get in trouble for that. She knew she didn't have to tell LE she was talking to him. She knew NOT to send him money. Those are all things one just wouldn't know on their own.

[panthera]

Since Christina is and has been all lawyered up I am pretty sure her lawyer told her exactly what she could and couldn't do when it came to Cesar and contacting him etc.. She ''knew'' she could talk to him and she wouldn't get in trouble for that. She knew she didn't have to tell LE she was talking to him. She knew NOT to send him money. Those are all things one just wouldn't know on their own.
Exactly! It's obvious to me her directions came from the attorney since when it came to asking for money she said "no" but was communicating with him otherwise.

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BTW~ After rereading our first couple of