Cesar Laurean Proclaims His Love For Maria Lauterbach

[SeriouslySearching]

(CNN) -- U.S. Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, the main suspect in the killing of a 20-year-old pregnant Marine, has been captured in Mexico three months after fleeing North Carolina, the FBI announced Thursday.

"I loved her," Laurean told a Mexican reporter who asked whether he killed Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/10/missing.marine/index.html (Bolded by me)

OMG! This is a BOMBSHELL! I think it deserves a thread!! So does this statement from Cesar mean that he is going to point the blame towards Christina? What could he possibly be thinking by telling the press such a thing? How would this fit in with his defense? Is he saying that he did not rape Maria, but they had a torrid affair? Is he saying that he had made plans to leave with Maria and the baby after all? (She did buy a ticket to El Paso.) What IS he saying here?!

[SeriouslySearching]

Actually, this would explain so much of what has been missing in this case. If Christina did all of it in a jealous rage and Cesar helped HER clean it up. Think of it coming from that point of view. It would fit.

[Snowlover77]

My sister and I tossed that around a month or so ago..she thinks that is what happened...me, on the other hand, I don't think so. I think he killed her because of the baby and what all of it would do to his Marine career. But I could well be wrong....it's hard to think like a 20 year old....
it is possible what you are saying, SS...but it makes more sense to me that he killed her because he didn't want that baby and he knew it was his....everything he had worked for in his life could have been destroyed had the rape charge ever made it to court...and he knew that and wasn't willing to risk it..I also think he thought Maria would never leave him alone..only one way to make sure she would be gone from his life and his world....

[Truly]

"I loved her," Laurean told a Mexican reporter who asked whether he killed Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.


Seriously,

No Mexican reporter or newspaper has even posted the story. Let's get the facts and be sure that he was actually captured.

I know the aspect of xtina's involvement is intriguing. I am just hoping that people don't get carried away before the facts are in.

If this were any other case, we would expect real documentation of an arrest. Where is it? Thanks.:)

[Snowlover77]

either he is already trying to cover his butt or he did love her at one time...they might have had an ongoing affair.....but I still don't believe Christina was the one that killed her.

[Snowlover77]

He was captured. It has been on many tv channels tonight.

[LillyRush]

Seriously,

No Mexican reporter or newspaper has even posted the story. Let's get the facts and be sure that he was actually captured.

I know the aspect of xtina's involvement is intriguing. I am just hoping that people don't get carried away before the facts are in.

If this were any other case, we would expect real documentation of an arrest. Where is it? Thanks.:)

I don't understand what you mean. This is being reported on major news outlets like CNN and CBS News. Seriously Searching's link was in fact a CNN story, with just one quote within the article from a Mexican reporter.

[Seven]

Seriously,

No Mexican reporter or newspaper has even posted the story. Let's get the facts and be sure that he was actually captured.

I know the aspect of xtina's involvement is intriguing. I am just hoping that people don't get carried away before the facts are in.

If this were any other case, we would expect real documentation of an arrest. Where is it? Thanks.:)
Looks like him to me ............
http://i31.tinypic.com/j97g2s.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/10/missing.marine/index.html

But there is something strange. Does a fugitive wear a red shirt with no sleeves, showing identifying tattoos, and then give his correct name after voluntarily walking up to a road block?

strange.

[Snowlover77]

I guess they would if they were worn out and tired of being on the run and living off the land. And wanting to see their family back in the U.S.

[LillyRush]

Don't know. But maybe he was tired of running. It happens.

[Seven]

That is the way it seems, because another paragraph in that same article states:

"Mexican authorities arrested Laurean at 7 p.m. Thursday in San Juan Vina, in Michoacan, about 120 miles west of the capital, after he approached a roadblock set up by the local anti-kidnapping task force, according to the Michoacan state attorney general's office."

Actually sounds voluntary.

[dimples37398]

I am thinking mexican authorities rolled his sleeves up to show the full tattoos on tv during the media interviews, so that people would have no doubt it is him.

I think with him making the I loved her statement, really makes me lean towards xtina coming home and maybe catching Maria there. That being such a small military community someone could have seen him and Maria out at the atm or store, maybe greyhound station and calling Xtina at the party, then she came to find them.

[Truly]

Looks like him to me ............
http://i31.tinypic.com/j97g2s.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/10/missing.marine/index.html

But there is something strange. Does a fugitive wear a red shirt with no sleeves, showing identifying tattoos, and then give his correct name after voluntarily walking up to a road block?

strange.

Does that look like any other mug shot you have ever seen?

Don't get me wrong, you know that I will be elated to see him face justice. Something just feels really staged about the whole thing. Yeah, strange is the operative word for me, too.

[Seven]

I am thinking mexican authorities rolled his sleeves up to show the full tattoos on tv during the media interviews, so that people would have no doubt it is him.



good point! I hadn't looked that closely before.
and you can see by the tanned forearms and not-tanned upper arms that he wasnt normally going around in a sleeveless shirt.

"I loved her." Ah yes. Is that a line he and xtina agreed upon? or is it his way of distancing himself from xtina?

[Seven]

Does that look like any other mug shot you have ever seen?

Don't get me wrong, I will be elated to see him face justice. Something just feels really staged about the whole thing. Yeah, strange is the operative word for me, too.

I agree.
Somebody else mentioned how cleaned up he looks, despite the fact that he told people he had been living out in fields and sruviving on avocados. ......

And then, of course, there's the fact that he voluntarily walked up to local authorities at a road block and told them who he was. ........ contrast that with the fact that he gave a false name to the bus driver he was talking to on his bus trip down there .........

[LinasK]

Seriously,

No Mexican reporter or newspaper has even posted the story. Let's get the facts and be sure that he was actually captured.

I know the aspect of xtina's involvement is intriguing. I am just hoping that people don't get carried away before the facts are in.

If this were any other case, we would expect real documentation of an arrest. Where is it? Thanks.:)

Ummm, it's all over Google News and the AP now, so it's real!

[dimples37398]

It looks like from these photos here that his shirt sleeves were down and they rolled them up.......if you go to this link and then click on gallery above his photo.

http://www.wnct.com/midatlantic/nct/news/local_news.apx.-content-articles-NCT-2008-04-10-0068.html

Kel

[LillyRush]

Running out of money could also start to make being on the run feel less appealing...Also, according to this, they stopped him because he looked suspicious and then also pursued it further because he didn't speak Spanish very well. So, it doesn't seem entirely voluntary, not at first anyway.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080411/ap_on_re_us/missing_marine
Magdalena Guzman, a prosecutors' spokeswoman, said police carrying out an anti-kidnapping operation stopped Laurean as he wandered on a street because they thought he looked suspicious.

When they realized he didn't speak Spanish well, they became even more suspicious. After running his name through a computer — and recognizing his distinctive tattoos — they realized Laurean was wanted in the United States to face charges in Lauterbach's death.

Guzman said Laurean told the arresting officers he had only 10 pesos — about $1 — in his pocket when arrested.

[Seven]

Running out of money could also start to make being on the run feel less appealing...Also, according to this, they stopped him because he looked suspicious and then also pursued it further because he didn't speak Spanish very well. So, it doesn't seem entirely voluntary, not at first anyway.


good call, Lilly! I saw the same account (differing a bit from the CNN account) in the guardian online.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7453948

"Magdalena Guzman, a spokeswoman for Michoacan state prosecutors, said police carrying out an anti-kidnapping operation stopped Laurean as he wandered on a street because they thought he looked suspicious."



That makes it sound a lot more proactive on the part of the authorities. ..... I wonder whether they were under cover or in uniform, etc., because they said he was "wandering" in the street.

[Taximom]

If he loved Maria, then why didn't he kill Christina like all the other POS cheating baby-daddy husbands do?

[BeeBee]

Every scum scking POS that ever killed a girlfriend or wife claims they "looovvvveeed her." On Greta last night they said he seemed disoriented. Maybe he was high. His wife needs to go to jail too. What he did was bad enough but a woman who would try to cover for him needs to be in prison right along with him. I mean, the man had a cookout over Maria's cooking body! How psyco is that??

[WhitneyLea]

If he loved Maria, then why didn't he kill Christina like all the other POS cheating baby-daddy husbands do?

Exactly!! That is why I think Christina did it. I can just picture it ... she finds out (or at least suspects) that Maria & Cesar are planning to run off together, kills Maria, and Cesar is all of a sudden overwhelmed by "guilt" for cheating on his wife and "driving" her to kill his lover ... so he agrees to go buy supplies to help her cover it up in a desperate attempt to keep the family together, keep them both out of jail (she's a murderer, he's a rapist) and "protect" their daughter. He takes off to Mexico knowing that he will look like the murderer, trying to take the focus off Xtina, again driven by his "guilt" over tearing his family apart. Maybe after 3 months of hiding, he finally broke down - gave in and let himself be arrested, and admitted that he loved Maria. Maybe the "proof" will show that it really was Xtina who committed the murder.

This is all just a scenario playing out in my head ... who knows ... but I am REALLY interested to hear what kind of things are going to come out of his mouth in the next few days/weeks.

[SuziQ]

I would still like to hear how Xtina explained Maria's car being parked in her driveway and being driven around for days.

Poor Xtina, the 10 year old with her diary. She must be crushed this morning. (insert sarcastic smiley here)

[Littledeer]

What exactly is a "anti-kidnapping operation"? Was this roadblock set up because a kidnapping had already been commited? I've never heard of this kind of sting/operation being done here in the US. Is this something that Mexico LE perform on a regular basis?

Or was this purposely set up for the sole reason of capturing CL?

[Littledeer]

I bet we see a lot of finger pointing go on between CL and Christina in the coming weeks/months. Hopefully, LE will go back and review all the facts they have so far and submit an air tight case to the Prosecutor for when CL is extradited back. I want to see a fast and swift trial for this POS with the end result being "GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL".

I don't know how much Christina was involved, but I venture to say based on what we know so far, that she will also be joining CL in a jail.

[SuziQ]

Xtina and Cesar together had waged a war of harrasment and abuse towards Maria for a long long time. Recruiting their friends, including lower level superiors of the Marine Corp. All culminating in a final "eff you Maria" celebration BBQ. Xtina was in on the harrasment and abuse from day one. But that involvement suddenly stops the day Maria is murdered? I'm just not buying it.

[Littledeer]

"But that involvement suddenly stops the day Maria is murdered? I'm just not buying it."

:clap: :clap: :clap: Me neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[STEADFAST]

I bet we see a lot of finger pointing go on between CL and Christina in the coming weeks/months. Hopefully, LE will go back and review all the facts they have so far and submit an air tight case to the Prosecutor for when CL is extradited back. I want to see a fast and swift trial for this POS with the end result being "GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL".

I don't know how much Christina was involved, but I venture to say based on what we know so far, that she will also be joining CL in a jail.

I totally agree, LD.

[SuziQ]

I totally agree, LD.

Me too! Let the games begin!

[Littledeer]

Monopoly anybody? :crazy:

:behindbar :behindbar :behindbar

GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL, DO NOT PASS GO CL..........

I would prefer this in honor of Maria and her baby for CL, :bang:

But I understand that the DP is off the table.............is there anyway that it could go back on the table?? Hopefully, this will be discussed on the Greta/Nancy show between knowledeable attorneys!!!!!!

[STEADFAST]

Oh yeah, he loved her.:sick: That's why he had a barbecue party over her body.

[ember]

I have said all along that I think the wife had alot more to do with this than he did and his proclamation of love and the comment about "Proof" is speaking volumes to me.

I think now that he's been captured, things are going to get really interesting between hubby and wife....jmo

[STEADFAST]

I have said all along that I think the wife had alot more to do with this than he did and his proclamation of love and the comment about "Proof" is speaking volumes to me.

I think now that he's been captured, things are going to get really interesting between hubby and wife....jmo

I think they will definitely be pointing fingers at each other. Considering the events -- like painting, moving Maria's car, etc -- that occurred during the month-long cover-up, I think they will both be convicted of something. At least I hope so! I just don't see how Christina wasn't involved in some way.

[Vegas Bride]

Oh yeah, he loved her.:sick: That's why he had a barbecue party over her body.

Exactly!! I wonder how many hambergers or what ever they
were cooking he ate that day? How could anyone eat food there when they knew the woman they loved was laying in that fire pit!! He is scum that has managed for a long time to worm his way out of things, he's going to find out all his old tricks aren't going to work this time.

VB

[JinxieJada]

I Posted this on the "Proof" thread but after reading, thought I should "move it" over here...

I don't think he acted alone. Period.

I think Xtina's involvement is way more than what has been let on and I wouldn't be surprised if she's the one that delivered the blow.

Am I excusing Cesar's involvement? Hell no. But I don't find that he should go down for this crime alone.

Sad that that all three involved (Maria, Cesar and Xtina) have lost their lives that were "just beginning" over something like this.

Maybe he got tired of being on the run, covering for his wife, and decided jail was a better alternative to what he was currently going through.

I do feel sorry for "A" (Xtina and Cesar's daughter) she's already lost her daddy for all intents and purposes and she may very well be losing her mommy if he decides to spill his guts.

I don't believe he's innocent by any means, but I think it's going to get a whole lot more interesting and it's not going to be as open and shut as we all originally thought......

ETA - has anyone seen anything about Xtina's diary or a record of how long she's been keeping it? I'm interested to know if she ever mentioned the affair between Cesar and Maria? I read on cnn that in email (s) he stated he wanted to return to the states. Rage is a VERY powerful emotion and we know from previous reports that she (Xtina) knew of the allegations, and was NOT happy about it. Kwim?

[thefragile7393]

He told police he had been sleeping in avocado groves and eating the fruit from the trees, Guzman said.
Laurean, who grew a scruffy beard, appeared thin and unkempt, Guzman said.

Sounds like maybe some dehydration was going on too. Regardless though, was this the town where he had family? Why wasn't his family helping him (not that they should have of course but...family involvement does seem to happen). Maybe they got tired of helping him, maybe the authorities had his family members staked out so he couldn't go and had to fend for himself on his own. Dunno, just thinking out loud here.

I love his statement that he "loved her." Scott Peterson made lots of those statements.

[SeriouslySearching]

The difference being...Scott killed the wife not the GF.

Cesar is saying publically that he loved the girlfriend...in spite of having a wife who has been communicating with him for the past three months. This statement is so bizarre as a response to the question and it stands out, imo.

Christina was the one who had been for the months prior to the murder going after Maria. The verbal attacks, the attack on her vehicle, and the person who physically hit her...I think stem from Christina. She was the aggressor...not Cesar. Even after the rape charges, did Cesar ever do or say anything publically about Maria? (If so, I have forgotten it.)

[SeriouslySearching]

Also, we have for months been trying to figure out why Maria would have purchased that bus ticket. The person positively identified it being Maria that made the purchase, right? Even her car was identified.

I remember some WSers saying they were going to leave together, but I sure did not buy it then. I will have to admit now I could be very wrong on that account.

[BeavisMom62]

If its already been posted, I'm sorry, but is there a direct quote from him stating that he loves(d) Maria or was it just paraphrasing by a reporter? What was he thinking?! He certainly never said that before, did he? Why now? What about his wife? He's gonna have lots of splaining to do! Wonder how long it takes before they divorce?

[SeriouslySearching]

(CNN) -- U.S. Marine Cpl. Cesar Laurean, the main suspect in the killing of a 20-year-old pregnant Marine, has been captured in Mexico three months after fleeing North Carolina, the FBI announced Thursday.

"I loved her," Laurean told a Mexican reporter who asked whether he killed Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/10/missing.marine/index.html (Bolded by me) This is all I have found so far, but I am sure it must have hit the Mexican press. However, I don't speak or read Spanish...so I won't be able to locate the reporter or the article. The Asssociated Press was on hand for this exchange and they are the ones reporting it to us...so I have to believe they heard it first hand.

[BeavisMom62]

Thanks, SS.

[JinxieJada]

[quote=SeriouslySearching;2128394

I will have to admit now I could be very wrong on that account.[/quote]


Yea I feel like I'm eating a giant plate of Crow right now - stuff that's coming out, his demeanor, just all of it is making me feel like I sped a little too quick to point the finger at him as the big bad meanie.

Unfortunately I think part of it stems from people's opinions about him as well as To me, he just doesn't look violent like that. "looks" don't mean much I know, but damn, something just ain't adding up IMO~:waitasec:

[SeriouslySearching]

I won't eat crow yet...but I do admit I am willing to go back and rethink my stance on there being a plan between Cesar and Maria that some felt strongly existed.

[thefragile7393]

The difference being...Scott killed the wife not the GF.

True. In this context it was very odd statement to make.

[Littledeer]

If CL "loved Maria" then why did Maria ever make the rape allegation to begin with? That doesn't sound like a female that knows someone loves her.

Did CL profess his love for her later and that's why Maria then supposedly recanted the "rape"?

This is not General Hospital where Luke raped Laura and then later they both fall in love with each other and get married. This is real life and I just don't buy either scenario above. Possibly, CL thinks he loved her in his sick mind, but you don't love someone and then kill them and a baby that by all accounts is yours. We really need those DNA results!!

[ceeaura]

If CL "loved Maria" then why did Maria ever make the rape allegation to begin with? That doesn't sound like a female that knows someone loves her.

Did CL profess his love for her later and that's why Maria then supposedly recanted the "rape"?

This is not General Hospital where Luke raped Laura and then later they both fall in love with each other and get married. This is real life and I just don't buy either scenario above. Possibly, CL thinks he loved her in his sick mind, but you don't love someone and then kill them and a baby that by all accounts is yours. We really need those DNA results!!


I have thought about this before.I think I also this posted here way back.
Maybe they had a relationship when she or he first got to their new post.Maria then found out he was married and called it off.He was not happy with that and kept pursuing her.Even raping her when they were alone.

Maybe?

[JinxieJada]

Couldn't Maria and Cesar been in trouble IF they were having a consensual affair and it was found out? Since he was married and IIRC wasn't he in a position that was a bit higher than her?

[Littledeer]

That certainly is a possiblity. I just reviewed the timeline on some of the facts we had gotten so far. Amazing what you forget in just 3 months!

But I honestly don't buy his "I loved her" story. How sick does one have to be to have a barbecue over a dead person and a dead baby?????

Nope, CL only loved himself and saving his arse. IMO

[JinxieJada]

That certainly is a possiblity. I just reviewed the timeline on some of the facts we had gotten so far. Amazing what you forget in just 3 months!

But I honestly don't buy his "I loved her" story. How sick does one have to be to have a barbecue over a dead person and a dead baby?????

Nope, CL only loved himself and saving his arse. IMO

I think BOTH CL's loved themselves and thought only about saving again, only THEIR own asses...BUt I"m biased and don't think he acted alone LOL But that's because the saying "nothing worse than a woman scorned" is SOOO very true IMO. I can picture CL (The female version) throwing everything possible at him. And I can see him (The Male CL version) panicking and giving into her - after all he had his career, child, homelife, etc etc etc to think about. And after Maria's life was gone, what do you do at that point? Call 911 and say Oops sorry, I panicked and helped/did kill her, the child she was carrying, made a fire pit, did some remodeling, had a yard sale, and then we had a bonfire to celebrate? (insert sarcasm here)

[Taximom]

Hi, Littledear! Nice to see you around. You must be busy. I'm SO glad this POS has been caught. Or found. Whatever.

[ceeaura]

I soo agree Littledeer.

Yes they could have gotten trouble IF they were having a consensual affair and it was found out.

But you would think the rape allegations would have brought Cesar trouble :( The ball got dropped big time in protecting Maria.

[JinxieJada]

Xtina and Cesar together had waged a war of harrasment and abuse towards Maria for a long long time. Recruiting their friends, including lower level superiors of the Marine Corp. All culminating in a final "eff you Maria" celebration BBQ. Xtina was in on the harrasment and abuse from day one. But that involvement suddenly stops the day Maria is murdered? I'm just not buying it.


The car being keyed, the harassing phone calls, all that points to a woman doing it, moreso than a man if you kwim? again Just MO but I know from experience that's what a woman does/can do when feeling threatened. While I didn't go so far as to kill or even hurt someone, and I'm not proud of what I did, I did wreak hell on the poor girl that dared to make a move on Hubby (we weren't married at the time, and going through hell in our relationship) we were CL's age so I guess that's why I'm so bent on Xtina being involved....

[Schmerty_Jones]

It's clear that someone in ""High Places "Is holding the DNA results of Maria's baby very close to the vest. It think it maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Remember Laurean claims "he never had sexual relations with that woman"Ms Lauterbach. SOOOO... Dna is very important.

[Snowlover77]

I think he may have been playing both women..telling Christina there was nothing going on but Maria was wanting him..and then telling Maria he wanted her...he actually may have lured her over to his house under the pretense he would be joining her in El Paso later...he also may have told her he had bought something for the baby..remember the 0-3 mos. green outfit that was laying on top of Maria in the grave...it was new...and really he could have been torn between Christina and Maria...but in my heart of hearts, I think he wanted Maria dead..I think he firgured that
would be the only way the truth wouldn't come out about the rape, the baby I am sure was his, etc...his career with the Marine Corp would have been over...he didn't want that...I believe he is about himself when push comes to shove too....
I have wondered alot about how he got Maria to his house.....either he lured her over there or he kidnapped her....sounds more like she went there willingly though....and again that baby outfit...I am sure she didn't bring it with her so Cesar must have bought it..and asked her to come over before she left town so he could give it to her.....Maria was very vulnerable, no doubt......and like I said before...these guys are just kids...Maria and Cesar...20 and 21...people do stupid and evil things things all the time when they see their life flashing before their eyes...I do think Cesar wanted Maria out of the way...due to the baby...it wasn't so much about Maria in his eyes...it was about that baby...he knew it was his...his life would never be the same again...so Maria HAD to go....he killed her like so many other spoouses/boyfreinds do to their spouses/girfreinds...because they do not want the child...

[LinasK]

This is not General Hospital where Luke raped Laura and then later they both fall in love with each other and get married. This is real life and I just don't buy either scenario above. Possibly, CL thinks he loved her in his sick mind, but you don't love someone and then kill them and a baby that by all accounts is yours. We really need those DNA results!!
Exactly!

This is all I have found so far, but I am sure it must have hit the Mexican press. However, I don't speak or read Spanish...so I won't be able to locate the reporter or the article. The Asssociated Press was on hand for this exchange and they are the ones reporting it to us...so I have to believe they heard it first hand. Also, SS "Yo Quiero"= I Love You in Spanish.

[Snowlover77]

I am sure that that baby was his...I think that is the main reason he killed her....the baby would have really messed up his life...and he knew it would.

[SeriouslySearching]

If CL "loved Maria" then why did Maria ever make the rape allegation to begin with? That doesn't sound like a female that knows someone loves her.

Did CL profess his love for her later and that's why Maria then supposedly recanted the "rape"?

This is not General Hospital where Luke raped Laura and then later they both fall in love with each other and get married. This is real life and I just don't buy either scenario above. Possibly, CL thinks he loved her in his sick mind, but you don't love someone and then kill them and a baby that by all accounts is yours. We really need those DNA results!! If you take into account that Cesar and Maria may have had a serious relationship and Maria filed the rape charge because of what she said to her mom (out of fear of her mom's reaction to the pregnancy and perhaps Cesar's reaction). Her mother was the one who insisted she file the charge. Maria did try to recant it later. Cesar may not have actually raped her and he could be telling the truth on that part. I do think we will find the baby was his child tho, but not sure how this came about. Now, I am not convinced he raped her.

Christina acted alone in her attacks on Maria. Cesar was not involved that we have ever heard of. Christina acted on her jealous rage time after time against Maria. She is the only one who has been proven to show signs of violence in that relationship which I find odd. I have always been surprised we have not heard that Cesar was a violent and short tempered sort of man who had many complaints from either other Marines or Christina. I wonder what her record looks like.

You are right this is not some soap opera. There is a woman and a baby who died in a horrific manner. The question is which one of them actually killed her. I believe they both took part in the cover up.

[Littledeer]

As usual SS, very good points made. :blowkiss:

I am wondering though on your statement that Christina was the only one that was known to show signs of violence with CL. Where was this stated at? I've been trying to read the posts from earlier on to refresh my memory, especially after reading the timeline and realizing how much I had forgotten.

[SeriouslySearching]

Not violence with him...but with Maria. She keyed her car and got in her face calling her names etc. Someone also came out of the darkness and hit Maria in the face. I would say it was either Christina or one of her friends.

[Jolynna]

I am sure that that baby was his...I think that is the main reason he killed her....the baby would have really messed up his life...and he knew it would.

I think CL killed Marie because of the baby, too.

I don't think CL ever thought the baby might not be his. Even if the truth turns out to be otherwise, I think CL was positive he was the father.

I do believe his wife hated Marie and knew who she was . I believe CSL helped CL clean up. It's hard to believe she didn't. But, ??????? to more than that.

It will be interesting to hear CL's version of what happened.

[Jolynna]

QUOTE BY SERIOUSLY SEARCHING: If you take into account that Cesar and Maria may have had a serious relationship and Maria filed the rape charge because of what she said to her mom (out of fear of her mom's reaction to the pregnancy and perhaps Cesar's reaction). Her mother was the one who insisted she file the charge.....snipped


That has been my theory. Except I think Marie and CL got into an argument either shortly before or soon after Marie came to CL's house.

But, you never know. If CSL is the guilty one she sure shouldn't have stayed in communication leaving tracks. If I were her and guilty, I'd be worried sick right now.

[panthera]

Looks like him to me ............
http://i31.tinypic.com/j97g2s.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/10/missing.marine/index.html

But there is something strange. Does a fugitive wear a red shirt with no sleeves, showing identifying tattoos, and then give his correct name after voluntarily walking up to a road block?

strange.
The sleeves were rolled up by LE. I saw photos of him with them down almost covering up the tattoos.

[panthera]

If you take into account that Cesar and Maria may have had a serious relationship and Maria filed the rape charge because of what she said to her mom (out of fear of her mom's reaction to the pregnancy and perhaps Cesar's reaction). Her mother was the one who insisted she file the charge. Maria did try to recant it later. Cesar may not have actually raped her and he could be telling the truth on that part. I do think we will find the baby was his child tho, but not sure how this came about. Now, I am not convinced he raped her.

Christina acted alone in her attacks on Maria. Cesar was not involved that we have ever heard of. Christina acted on her jealous rage time after time against Maria. She is the only one who has been proven to show signs of violence in that relationship which I find odd. I have always been surprised we have not heard that Cesar was a violent and short tempered sort of man who had many complaints from either other Marines or Christina. I wonder what her record looks like.

You are right this is not some soap opera. There is a woman and a baby who died in a horrific manner. The question is which one of them actually killed her. We know they both took part in the cover up.
I've always believed the rape charge came after Maria found out he was married as a way for her to explain her unplanned pregnancy. They may even have continued to see each other and that would explain her being at his house when she was killed. Despite what the Sheriff is saying about nothing pointing to his wife being involved or even knowing Maria was buried in the back yard, it looks more like a rage killing and cover up (burying/burning her body on their property).

[SuziQ]

IMO, the rape did happen. Maria dropped the charges because of the harrasment. The Marines go after her for lying and demand a dna test on the baby to prove SHE was the liar and their STELLAR Marine wasn't. But what really happened was by ordering that DNA test, the Marines signed Maria's death sentence. That DNA test was going to show that their STELLAR Marine was the liar, where he would be court marshalled and sent to the brig for the whole world to see. It would also land him in deep doo doo with Xtina since he also told her he had never had sex with Maria. The STELLAR Marine just couldn't handle the thought of what that DNA test was going to reveal. It was going to ruin his life.

[Snowlover77]

Him saying he neevr had sex with Maria seems crazy now because if u read what the police said Christina had said in her diary and in her letters to him...she is still deeply in love with Cesar but vacilitating between that and her not being able to come to terms with the fact that he had been unfaithful to here..so somewhere along the line, he must have clean on that part of it..at least to Christina. He must have told her he had had sex with Maria.

[Snowlover77]

SuzQ, I agree with you! It was all about the baby. The baby was going to destroy everything in his life...so Maria had to go!

[curiositycat]

either he is already trying to cover his butt or he did love her at one time...they might have had an ongoing affair.....but I still don't believe Christina was the one that killed her.

I wonder if the POS is going to say that Christina was the killer? I sure hope that the prosecution can prove that he was the author of the letter Christina said he left with her.

If he is saying "I loved her"...that really adds a sick twist to the thing. I remember in the beginning of this thing a lot of us felt Christina was in it a whole lot deeper than we are being lead to believe. IMHO:waitasec:

[STEADFAST]

Him saying he neevr had sex with Maria seems crazy now because if u read what the police said Christina had said in her diary and in her letters to him...she is still deeply in love with Cesar but vacilitating between that and her not being able to come to terms with the fact that he had been unfaithful to here..so somewhere along the line, he must have clean on that part of it..at least to Christina. He must have told her he had had sex with Maria.

I didn't even catch that. Yes, she must have found out at some point that Cesar had sex with Maria. I wonder when she found that out.

[SeriouslySearching]

I didn't even catch that. Yes, she must have found out at some point that Cesar had sex with Maria. I wonder when she found that out.Probably right before she started attacking Maria would be my guess.

[Truly]

Exactly!

Also, SS "Yo Quiero"= I Love You in Spanish.

Yo Quiero means 'I want', not 'I love'. 'I want' is probably what Cesar was thinking when he raped Maria. And when he killed her, come to think of it. I don't think LOVE for Maria ever entered his mind.

I think it was Cesar's buddies who punched Maria in the face, went to Lowe's with Cesar, and built the BBQ pit on her grave. BBQs are guy stuff, ya know?

I think xtina knew full well about the murder and helped cover it up, but IMO, Cesar is the one who raped and murdered her, and his buddies from the base helped cover it up as well. It looks to me like xtina has turned states evidence, so hopefully all of the accomplices will face charges. That is why it is so important to keep this in the civilian courts. The Marines have so far protected their stellar fellows above Maria and Gabriel's lives.

[FlowerGirl]

Him saying he neevr had sex with Maria seems crazy now because if u read what the police said Christina had said in her diary and in her letters to him...she is still deeply in love with Cesar but vacilitating between that and her not being able to come to terms with the fact that he had been unfaithful to here..so somewhere along the line, he must have clean on that part of it..at least to Christina. He must have told her he had had sex with Maria.




Christina is still deeply in love with Ceaser, but is having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that he was unfaithful???

This makes no sense... Would you not be more upset and distraught, and flat out devistaed that the man that you love is a murderer.

But then again, maybe just maybe Christina is not thinking that way because she had a lot more to do with the murder than we all know.

Some other things that really bother me is Ceaser is at home killing Maria while Christina is at this big Christmas Party...Where the heck is their 18 month old daughter?

Ceaser and Christina are riding in the car when he confesses that he has buried Maria in their backyard. He then says to Christinas "Are you in on this? She says "I do not know, is there anything that you have not told me? http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4154697&page=1

Why don't we ever see Christina's pictures?... Do the Sherriff Dept., The Marines and the FBI think that she deserves more protection that Maria ever deserved!

The police continue to say that Christina has been cooperative.
....How right they are she helped clean up the crime scene, paint, and held on to that note for 24 hours.

I had believed that Ceaser was the murderer and that Christina was scared and did what she had to for fear of what Cesear would do to her or their child. Now I am not so sure. I really think that we have only half the puzzle pieces to this puzzle.

This case makes me sick all the way around. No matter how you look at it whether Ceaser , Christina, or Ceaser and Christina did this, I pray that the whole truth comes out and that their will be justice for Maria, her baby and her family!

FlowerGirl

[SeriouslySearching]

Now, that statement of Christina's has always bothered me. You know I believe that people often tell part of the truth in confessions and lies. It makes me wonder if her recollection of him asking her that particular question pertained to something else entirely. It seems out of context the way she presented it to LE. It struck me as very odd then and when you brought it up again...it still sticks out like a sore thumb. Why?

Laurean asked his wife "if she was in on this," newly released court documents state. Christina Laurean told police that she responded with a question of her own. "I do not know," she said, according to the document. "Is there anything that you have not told me?"

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4154697&page=1

[Mygirlsadie]

I don't believe for a second Christine was in LOVE with Cesar. This girl was OBSESSED with him... Obviously Cesar didn't feel the same about dear ol' Christine.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't believe for a second Christine was in LOVE with Cesar. This girl was OBSESSED with him... Obviously Cesar didn't feel the same about dear ol' Christine.I agree. It is a jealous, twisted, and obsessive thing, but it is not love. She is beginning to remind me of a girl I used to know who was insanely jealous of her husband. He cheated on her because she accused him of it constantly! I guess he figured if he was going to be accused anyway...he might as well do it. I can imagine Christina acting this way towards Cesar with other female Marines.

[Ticamom]

Yo Quiero means 'I want', not 'I love'. 'I want' is probably what Cesar was thinking when he raped Maria. And when he killed her, come to think of it. I don't think LOVE for Maria ever entered his mind.

I think it was Cesar's buddies who punched Maria in the face, went to Lowe's with Cesar, and built the BBQ pit on her grave. BBQs are guy stuff, ya know?

I think xtina knew full well about the murder and helped cover it up, but IMO, Cesar is the one who raped and murdered her, and his buddies from the base helped cover it up as well. It looks to me like xtina has turned states evidence, so hopefully all of the accomplices will face charges. That is why it is so important to keep this in the civilian courts. The Marines have so far protected their stellar fellows above Maria and Gabriel's lives.

Actually, Truly " YO QUIERO " can mean BOTH I want and I love. Querer is one of those pesky Spanish verbs with dual meanings. IF POS said this, he could of been paving the way to skip around his responsibility in the murder. Methinks he might just try to pin it on Xtina. Notice he said it in present tense, not " Yo la Quería "

That's a weird way to show " Yo la Quiero " , dontcha think ? Bash her in the head, cut her throat, bury her in the firepit in the backyard and then attempt to burn her into oblivion...... IMO, this was a tag team job done by both POS and Xtina.

I can't wait til they get the justice they deserve.

[BeavisMom62]

Christina is still deeply in love with Ceaser, but is having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that he was unfaithful???

This makes no sense... Would you not be more upset and distraught, and flat out devistaed that the man that you love is a murderer.

But then again, maybe just maybe Christina is not thinking that way because she had a lot more to do with the murder than we all know.

Some other things that really bother me is Ceaser is at home killing Maria while Christina is at this big Christmas Party...Where the heck is their 18 month old daughter?

Ceaser and Christina are riding in the car when he confesses that he has buried Maria in their backyard. He then says to Christinas "Are you in on this? She says "I do not know, is there anything that you have not told me? http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4154697&page=1

Why don't we ever see Christina's pictures?... Do the Sherriff Dept., The Marines and the FBI think that she deserves more protection that Maria ever deserved!

The police continue to say that Christina has been cooperative.
....How right they are she helped clean up the crime scene, paint, and held on to that note for 24 hours.

I had believed that Ceaser was the murderer and that Christina was scared and did what she had to for fear of what Cesear would do to her or their child. Now I am not so sure. I really think that we have only half the puzzle pieces to this puzzle.

This case makes me sick all the way around. No matter how you look at it whether Ceaser , Christina, or Ceaser and Christina did this, I pray that the whole truth comes out and that their will be justice for Maria, her baby and her family!

FlowerGirl

I thought that the daughter went with her because it was a christmas party that was sorta geared toward "family"?

[Mohabi]

[quote=Truly;2129924]Yo Quiero means 'I want', not 'I love'. 'I want' is probably what Cesar was thinking when he raped Maria. And when he killed her, come to think of it. I don't think LOVE for Maria ever entered his mind.

Would someone be able to point me to the source (in spanish) that quotes Cesar of having said "Yo quiero" ? I've searched over 20 articles in spanish now and all I find is that he said "You know my name" , that he wants "Proof" and that he doesn't know what's going to happen to him now.

There is no reference to him having said something about "love", "yo quiero", or anything close to it. I am fluent in Spanish.

[LinasK]

IMO, the rape did happen. Maria dropped the charges because of the harrasment. The Marines go after her for lying and demand a dna test on the baby to prove SHE was the liar and their STELLAR Marine wasn't. But what really happened was by ordering that DNA test, the Marines signed Maria's death sentence. That DNA test was going to show that their STELLAR Marine was the liar, where he would be court marshalled and sent to the brig for the whole world to see. It would also land him in deep doo doo with Xtina since he also told her he had never had sex with Maria. The STELLAR Marine just couldn't handle the thought of what that DNA test was going to reveal. It was going to ruin his life.

I tend to agree. A violent guy who is capable of murder is capable of rape. It's not a crime of "love", it's a crime of power. This guy is a Scott Peterson type who didn't even care that he was killing his own child, or wanted to anyhow. It's all about how he looks!

[Truly]

[quote=Truly;2129924]Yo Quiero means 'I want', not 'I love'. 'I want' is probably what Cesar was thinking when he raped Maria. And when he killed her, come to think of it. I don't think LOVE for Maria ever entered his mind.

Would someone be able to point me to the source (in spanish) that quotes Cesar of having said "Yo quiero" ? I've searched over 20 articles in spanish now and all I find is that he said "You know my name" , that he wants "Proof" and that he doesn't know what's going to happen to him now.

There is no reference to him having said something about "love", "yo quiero", or anything close to it. I am fluent in Spanish.

Mohabi, I think that the 'yo quiero' was just a humorous reference to the taco bell cartoon dog.

I have not seen a reliable source state that Laurean said 'I Loved Her', either.

Honestly, this whole story of the capture strikes me as a staged media spin. Remember how the Pat Tillman story was fabricated out of thin air?:rolleyes:

[LinasK]

Mohabi, I think that the 'yo quiero' was just a humorous reference to the taco bell cartoon dog.

I have not seen a reliable source state that Laurean said 'I Loved Her', either.


Truly, I know some Spanish, and I grew up in Southern California and have been inside Mexico several times in my life and one of my best friends is Mexican. The reason I say this, is because the phrase "yo quiero" existed long before the Taco Bell commercials with the chihuahua. I brought it up because Seriously Searching mentioned that she did not know how to translate the Spanish articles, so I told her what the phrase was so she could identify it if she saw it in the articles.

[Mohabi]

Truly, I know some Spanish, and I grew up in Southern California and have been inside Mexico several times in my life and one of my best friends is Mexican. The reason I say this, is because the phrase "yo quiero" existed long before the Taco Bell commercials with the chihuahua. I brought it up because Seriously Searching mentioned that she did not know how to translate the Spanish articles, so I told her what the phrase was so she could identify it if she saw it in the articles.

Lina, I'm just trying to figure out why this thread is named " Cesar Laurean Proclaims His Love For Maria Lauterbach".

To begin with, I've searched the Mexican news sources and I can't find any source stating Cesar said "Yo quiero".

As some have previously explained before, "yo quiero" means "I want". He could have used the words to ask for anything. I want an attorney. I want water. I want.....don't we all want all the time? I just don't see how anyone would think this means "I love Maria".

Yes, "yo quiero" can also mean you love somebody, but it would have been followed by a name, for example "yo quiero a Maria". Most people DO say "yo quiero" (I love) rather than "yo amo" (I love). I'm not going to get into spanish lessons now, I just "quiero" find out why this thread is named as it is and if possible, you "quiero" help in finding the source of the statement.

[STEADFAST]

Lina, I'm just trying to figure out why this thread is named " Cesar Laurean Proclaims His Love For Maria Lauterbach".

To begin with, I've searched the Mexican news sources and I can't find any source stating Cesar said "Yo quiero".

As some have previously explained before, "yo quiero" means "I want". He could have used the words to ask for anything. I want an attorney. I want water. I want.....don't we all want all the time? I just don't see how anyone would think this means "I love Maria".

Yes, "yo quiero" can also mean you love somebody, but it would have been followed by a name, for example "yo quiero a Maria". Most people DO say "yo quiero" (I love) rather than "yo amo" (I love). I'm not going to get into spanish lessons now, I just "quiero" find out why this thread is named as it is and if possible, you "quiero" help in finding the source of the statement.

Here's a source not in Spanish.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/10/missing.marine/index.html

"I loved her," Laurean told a Mexican reporter who asked whether he killed Lance Cpl. Maria Lauterbach.

It has been posted more than once in this forum.

[LinasK]

Lina, I'm just trying to figure out why this thread is named " Cesar Laurean Proclaims His Love For Maria Lauterbach".

To begin with, I've searched the Mexican news sources and I can't find any source stating Cesar said "Yo quiero".

As some have previously explained before, "yo quiero" means "I want". He could have used the words to ask for anything. I want an attorney. I want water. I want.....don't we all want all the time? I just don't see how anyone would think this means "I love Maria".

Yes, "yo quiero" can also mean you love somebody, but it would have been followed by a name, for example "yo quiero a Maria". Most people DO say "yo quiero" (I love) rather than "yo amo" (I love). I'm not going to get into spanish lessons now, I just "quiero" find out why this thread is named as it is and if possible, you "quiero" help in finding the source of the statement.

When you are telling a person directly, don't you say, "Te Amo"?

[Mohabi]

LinasK, not necessarily. Te quiero, te quiero mucho, te amo, are pretty much interchangeable.

[STEADFAST]

LinasK, not necessarily. Te quiero, te quiero mucho, te amo, are pretty much interchangeable.

Mohabi,
The discussion about how to say "I loved her" in Spanish did not come about because someone saw a quote from Laurean claiming he said "Yo quiero." CNN reported that Laurean said, "I loved her," to a Mexican reporter. (See link just a couple of posts before this.) People were just speculating about what he may have actually said in Spanish.

[Mohabi]

Thanks, Steadfast. I did see that reference on CNN but I'm looking for a Mexican source, i.e. "the Mexican reporter" claiming Cesar stated to him that he loved Maria. Maybe it's a "he said/she said" thing.....

[LinasK]

According to CNN, Laurean responded, "I loved her," after a Mexican reporter asked whether he killed Lauterbach.

http://www.wlky.com/news/15851327/detail.html

[LinasK]

Okay here is the link to Google Spanish (Mexican) version News:
http://news.google.com/news?ned=es_mx&hl=es&ned=es_mx&ie=UTF-8

I also can't find any references to him saying he loved her, so we'd better question CNN! The Mexican newpapers appear to be focusing on other aspects of the case.
I did find out his full name is Cesar Armando Laurean Ramirez.

[KR2tonenow]

He only loves himself!!:behindbar

[Mohabi]

The only new thing I've learned in the Mexican papers is that he has been transported to a jail in Mexico City, to await extradition to the US.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL I can't believe this turned into a Spanish lesson, but OK. Thanks for trying anyway, Linask and Mohabi. :)

It is my understanding that reporters from the Associated Press were present when the statement was made so I would not consider it second hand information. If the Mexican press did not choose to mention it, it doesn't surprise me. This is a country that helped hide him for 3 months, is saving him from the DP, and I don't trust their press to be impartial to one of their own. However, while it did come from CNN's site...the report came straight from AP.

I believe he said it and I think the statement represents a very strange turn in this case. So I am not going to change the title of this thread. :)

[LinasK]

LOL I can't believe this turned into a Spanish lesson, but OK. Thanks for trying anyway, Linask and Mohabi. :)

It is my understanding that reporters from the Associated Press were present when the statement was made so I would not consider it second hand information. If the Mexican press did not choose to mention it, it doesn't surprise me. This is a country that helped hide him for 3 months, is saving him from the DP, and I don't trust their press to be impartial to one of their own. However, while it did come from CNN's site...the report came straight from AP.

I believe he said it and I think the statement represents a very strange turn in this case. So I am not going to change the title of this thread. :)

From what I could gather from the articles in Spanish, it appears that Mexico is focusing on making the government look good by having taken him in. They kept mentioning a minister of justice..."Felicito a la Procuraduría General de Justicia de Michoacán (PGJE)".