Were some of the Children from YFZ Warren Jeffs?

[mollymalone]

Since it's possible that many of those children at the YFZ ranch are some of Warren Jeff's children (or those he appropriated by reassigning his father's wives to himself) I thought it'd be interesting to see what was known about his various wives and/or children.

There's conflicting information on the net about how many wives or children Warren Jeffs currently has. Most estimates were between 40-80 for wives, but there are accounts that say he has up to 180. At various times, (depending on his age) the estimates were between 40-100, but other more recent estimates state 200-250.

Of those children, a percentage are probably his biologically, but some surely must be children from the wives of his father Rulon or other wives he's assigned to himself.

[mollymalone]

I think this wife's grave is one that exists on the ranch and LE already knew about.

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=118200;title=AP FN

One of Jeffs' wives, Barbara Ann Barlow, died inside the compound in July 2004 at age 39. But Doyle, whose duties as justice of the peace include investigating deaths, determined she died of cancer as reported by her sister Annette, also married to Jeffs.

[mollymalone]

Those two sisters would have been among the wives Warren appropriated after his father's death.

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/content/fileadmin/oldsite/2004/02/05/cover.html

Ezra Draper 's father was married to two of Rulon Jeffs daughters.

PHOTO of a set of sisters married to Rulon Jeffs

[mollymalone]

http://www.janabommersbach.com/pm-fea-july05.htm
*
By the time he died, Rulon had 67 wives, most of them young women. Within seven days of his father's death, Warren had taken his "mothers" as his own wives - Bistline says that only two women dared stand up to him, and they were exiled.


PHOTO OF A YOUNG BLOND GIRL
http://www.childpro.org/2004%20media/2004%20media%2013.htm
November 17, 2004
Immediate after Janetta Jessop's 16th birthday the girl had abruptly disappeared from her parents home. According to Suzanne, I went up to her room and all her stuff was gone. When Suzanne Jessop inquired what had happend to Janetta, she recalls, their mother "just kind of looked at me with this blank stare and says back "Well, I don't know." Suzanne speculatees that Janetta had been taken as a plural wife by Warren Jeffs, who was 47 at the time. At least two (and possibly three) of Janetta's older sisters had already been taken as wives by Jeffs.


*Janetta refused to answer the most pertinent questions posted by county case workers. She neither confirmed nor denied to authorities that she was one of Warren Jeff's spiritual wives. When official interviewers asked if she was married to Jeffs, the girl simply replied "I'd rather not say.

[mollymalone]

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/14603/flds-warren-jeffs-makes-fbis-10-most-wanted-list
Carolyn Jessop: Yes, I know Warren personally very well. My husband was very close to him and several of Merrill's daughteres married Warren.


http://www.clipmarks.com/clipmark/9E372B5D-93D2-4871-914B-B01A5500895E/
Escape: Page 195:
Some of Carolyns' stepdaughters were married to Jeffs, and she feared his temper. She writes: "One day he brought one of his wives into the (School) auditorium, which was packed with boys. Annette had a long braid that fell past her knees. Warren grabbed the braid and twisted and twisted it until she was on her knees and he was ripping hair from her head. He told the boys that this was how obedient their wives had to be to them."

[mollymalone]

Musser was one of Rulon Jeff's wives that Warren intended to appropriate and I believe she's the one who left before he could.

http://www.freedomszone.com/aggregator.php?id=40404
Musser was married to Jeff's father, Rulon Jeffs, when she was a teenager and he was an elderly man. During the Warren Jeffs trial, Musser testified that "Jeffs told her he would "take me down" if she caused problems for the FLDS Church." Musser is the oldest sister of Elissa Wall, who was the key witness in the Warren Jeff trial."

[mollymalone]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003234965_jeffs30.html
The fundamentalist sect is notoriously secretive, but details about Rulon and Jeff's lifestyle emerged in 1999, when they sold a seven-acre 1.9 million walled compound in Sandy, Utah where they had lived with their lives and children since the early 1980s.

Women's bedrooms in Rulon Jeff's house were decorated with wallpaper saying "Keep Sweet No Matter What." Their doors were marked with red, yellow or green tags depending on whether they were ovulating.

[mollymalone]

http://www.desertnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,645197283,00.html
Carolyn Jessop, whose step-daughter is Naomi Jessop Jeffs.
She described Naomi Jeffs as a beautiful woman with long blond hair going down to her knees. In addition to being one of Warren Jeffs wives, Naomi, 32, was also one of his "mothers." She was married to Rulon when she was 17 and she was Rulon's favorite wife, Jessop said Tuesday. "She was one of the first of Rulons' wives to marry Warren.

Naomi Jeffs was in the car with Warren when he was arrested.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fldsjeffs.htm
When Jeffs was arrested, he was wearing an apparently very comfortable pair of shorts and white T-shirt. One of his wives who accompanied him was dressed in slacks. Both asked to be able to change into their regular religious clothes before being photographed.

[mollymalone]

This was from Wikipedia but I've seen it stated on other articles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs
One of Jeffs' statements after his fathers death was directed at high-ranking officials in the church: "I won't say much, but I will say this "hands off my father's wives." Then addressing the recent widows, he said, "You women will lives as if father is still alive and in the next room." WIthin a week, Warren had married all but two of his father's several dozen wives. After this, he continued to marry more women, many of whom were close relatives.

[mollymalone]

Norene Nielsen Birk Jeffs became a wife of Rulon Jeffs, her brother Wendell Neilsen is one of his faithful members and counselor. Norene Jeffs wasn't allowed contact with the rest of her children outside the community. She died and her family was never notified.

http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?id=2959&option=com_content&task-view
"In the early 1990s as best her family can tell, was spiritually sealed to Rulon Jeffs. She became one of his wives, in what her family describes as a caretaker marriage.

"After Rulon Jeffs died in 2002 and his son took over, i became "just about impossible" to learn anythign about her."

[mollymalone]

http://www.kcsg.com/story.aspx?id=3707
Author Dr. Western went undercover in the communities for her new book "Inside the World of Warren Jeffs." Western said "these little girls are just chattle. For instance Warren Jeffs got a 12 year old and a 14 year old for his birthday present."

"At last count Warren had over 100 wives."


Musser tells about their daily routine while in hiding.
http://ktar.com/?nid=6&sid=487221
"Musser, Vivian and their infant son Levi made a 19-hour trip to an empty house in Williamsburg, Colorado about 30 miles west of Pueblo." "The house was the first of three in Colorado, Williamsburg, Florence, Westcliffe where the family would live over seven months, with a rotating cat of Jeff's wives, which Musser estimates could number as high as 180." "They wanted to be with Warren so bad. He would tell them that they were not good enough to be with him. It really tampered with their hearts, messed up their minds." The women, about eight in the house at a time, were between ages 25 and 30."

[mollymalone]

ttp://marriage.about.com/od/infamous/p/warrenjeffs.htm
Warren Steed Jeffs: December 3, 1955 in San Francisco, California. Warren Jeff's mother Merilyn was the fourth wife of his father.


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/11/19/CMGTTLVBEJ1.DTL
"Jeffs was born in San Francisco on Dec. 3, 1955. At the time, his mother was hiding out in the Bay Area following a 1953 government raid and roundup of Mormons living in Short Creek."

http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/ChartLinks/FLDSChurch.htm
In 2002 Rulon Jeffs died at age 92 having married at least nineteen women and fathered at least sixty children. **(65 according to Elaine Jeffs)

Then after three days, another letter was distributed accusing Warren Jeffs of marrying many of his father’s wives included his own mother and encouraging FLDS members to revolt. Louis died four months later and nothing came of the prophetic calling referred to in the letter.

[mollymalone]

http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/labels/William%20E.%20Jessop.htm
Warren Jeffs: Okay. I have this message. The lord has intervened and detected me to myself. He has shown me that I have not held priesthood since I was 20 years old, having been immoral with a sister and a daughter. And father pointing his finger to me was father's test on all of us.

After Rulon's death, several people claimed the prophet had set apart Warren to take over the sect. Who made that claim? Mary Fischer, one of Rulon Jeffs' younger wives. Isaac Jeffs, the brother who was with Warren when he was arrested.

And Naomi Jeffs, another of Rulon's younger wives, who subsequently married Warren and also was with him when he was arrested. In January, Warren spoke to Naomi, whom he referred to as No. 91, and told her the same thing he was told everyone else: that he was not a prophet.

[mollymalone]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04222008/entertainment/fashion/latter_day_re
In her last years before fleeing, Jessop secretly sold NuSkin cosmetics to other women in the community.

"A lot of my customers were [then leader] Rulon Jeffs' wives," she ays. "They were incredibly competitive - they weren't allowed to do makeup, but I sold a lot of nutritional products, like vitamin shakes and hair vitamins."

[mollymalone]

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/f/f39ae.html
Most of his time is spent managing church affairs, but he also is described as an accomplished singer/songwriter. Among Jeffs' credits are "Zion from Above" and "He Will Be Renewed," an ode to his father. He has embellished several well-known LDS hymns with new verses.

And, accompanied by some wives, he has produced tapes and CDs that are available to followers.

[mollymalone]

Presumably they are also now Warren Jeffs wives.

http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/04/28/more-about-the-fundamentalist-church-of-latter-day-saints/
PHOTO
Rulon Jeffs with his last two wives — sisters Edna and Mary Fischer — on their wedding day. He received the pair as a 90th birthday present

[golfmom]

I'm pretty sure that one of the mom's that said she was away from the complex the day of the raid and was upset that she didn't know whee her children were is one of Warren's wives. She was actually visiting Warren when the raid went down.

[mollymalone]

I'm pretty sure that one of the mom's that said she was away from the complex the day of the raid and was upset that she didn't know whee her children were is one of Warren's wives. She was actually visiting Warren when the raid went down.Quite possibly so.

[mollymalone]

I'm pretty sure that one of the mom's that said she was away from the complex the day of the raid and was upset that she didn't know whee her children were is one of Warren's wives. She was actually visiting Warren when the raid went down.An "Annette" was away, and Warren Jeff's legal wife is Annette Barlow Jeffs and is on WJ's visiting list. "Annette" also spoke out in the media.

[mollymalone]

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_5778176?source=rss

Williamsburg, Colorado
Jeffs called the next day. He told Musser that some of his wives would soon arrive and explained he was to set up the home, do the shopping, run errands and "pretty much be a father figure and take care of them while he couldn't" - all funded by FLDS tithes.

Musser said numerous caretakers like himself ran safe houses for Jeffs' family. He estimates that Jeffs has around 180 wives, most believed to be wives only in a spiritual sense.

Many were formerly sealed to his father, Rulon, with whom, Jeffs has promised, they will be reunited in Heaven.

They were real familiar with just moving around," he said. "They had very little to haul." Jeffs' wives filled their days reading scriptures; talking; and sewing the sacred, ankle-to-wrist undergarments worn by faithful FLDS members. Musser avoided contact with neighbors, and the women were forbidden to leave the home. He tried to ease the strain of captivity by fencing in the yard so Jeffs' wives could go out for fresh air and exercise.
Even so, some women refused to venture out.

[mollymalone]

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_5778176?source=rss
Jeffs brought with him a black briefcase, in which he had a tape recorder and laptop computer. He gathered the names of those at the home, asked a few questions and sat "staring at us for a long time," Musser said. Then he launched into a teaching focused on revelations.

Jeffs told the wives to prepare to meet Rulon in a sacred place. He warned that Short Creek had been rejected, the devil was raging and time for redemption was short. Afterward, he visited privately with a couple of the wives.

[mollymalone]

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_5778176?source=rss
Musser said he was increasingly disturbed by the situation - and the obvious loneliness and despair shown by Jeffs' wives. "Some of them would hardly eat and appeared to be sad all the time," he said.

Earlier on, Jeffs had instructed Musser's wife to wear the same pastel, collared dresses his own wives wore - which greatly bothered Musser.

Florence, Colorado
Musser was instructed to move to a home in Florence, a much larger city to the north. It was a nicer, larger, eight-bedroom residence, and soon it was filled with Jeffs' wives, who settled quickly into their now-familiar routine.
"I was young and all these women coming to me for their needs, the list of the shopping," he said. "It was like we were their servants."

And Vivian, he said, "would try to be friends with them and it was like they were way higher and better. You know, they're the prophet's wives and she's just Wendell's wife."

Jeffs came to the second home just once. Musser picked Jeffs up in Pueblo and drove him to Florence to see the place.

[mollymalone]

http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_5778176?source=rss
Westcliffe, Colorado
They had lived there only a month when Musser was told to move again, this time to Westcliffe, Colo.

Musser worked with a couple of other men on the new home - an unfinished cabin - disclosing nothing. "We were supposed to even be careful that people from Colorado City didn't know what I was doing," he said. The cabin was isolated enough that the women felt safe enough to plant a garden. Still, Musser built yet another fence. Jeffs came to Westcliffe about three times in the three months Musser lived there, arriving unannounced and staying only a few hours to preach.

He seemed oblivious to the emotional despair of his spiritual wives, Musser said, treating it "like a joke." For a time, one wife had taken to pointing out "where everybody was doing wrong." After she badly cut herself opening a coconut - and then refused to get help without Jeffs' permission - the prophet scolded her in a revelation dictated to Musser over the phone.

Jeffs said his late father had told him not to speak to the woman until she stopped having bad feelings. "In it he kind of rebuked her, just kind of toyed around with her," Musser said. The woman was devastated, Musser said. But Jeffs "talked to me the next day and he chuckled about it. He said, 'How did that go?' "And I was like, 'My goodness, buddy, do you know what we're going through here?' "

[mollymalone]

http://blogs.sltrib.com/plurallife/labels/Warren%20Jeffs.htm
If an inmate is married, only the legal spouse can visit unless the ''girlfriend'' is accompanied to visits by the spouse. Hhhmmm, let's see, in Warren's case, Annette is the legal wife. She'll be a gatekeeper, apparently.

[mollymalone]

Is this Annette Jeffs, the legal wife?http://www.sltrib.com/ci_8941293

Photo - "Annette, left, an FLDS member, waits Tuesday for her (Trent Nelson/The Salt lake Tribune)

"We want them back home," said Annette, a mother whose 11 children - six of her own and five nieces and nephews she is raising - are in state custody.
"They were so much better taken care of at home. We teach them morals. They have nice homes," said Annette. She was in San Angelo on Tuesday to meet with an attorney she hired to help her regain custody.

[mollymalone]

Is this Annette the wife of WJ?

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21184/flds-75
It's all a farce, says Annette, one FLDS woman whose children are in state custody. They are trying to pin it on anybody named Sarah, said Annette, who is back at the YFZ Ranch after more than a week in custody with her six children and five nieces and nephews she is raising.

Sarah is a common name and several are in custody, she said. One by one, the Sarahs have been interviewed, she said. They find out and then let them go, then grab another one and try to find out and the let them go. There is just not a Sarah that fits what they said, said Annette. Investigators have zeroed in on one Sarah in particular, Annette said. The girl, who has a 5-month-old daughter, is petite and looks young, so the investigators don't believe she is 18, she said. She declined to name the girl's husband, but said it is not Dale Evans Barlow, the Arizona man named in the initial arrest and search warrants. One night, shortly before midnight, child welfare workers came into the dorm where the mothers with small children were and told this specific Sarah that she and her baby had to leave. In a phone call later, Sarah told other mothers she and her baby were sent to a house, alone, at Fort Concho, Annette and other women said.

[mollymalone]

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy107.html
March 2003
The leader of a renegade branch of the Mormon Church, now 47, had sexual relations with an underage girl who bore him a daughter in July 2000, records obtained by New Times indicate.Warren Jeffs, Prophet of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints (FLDS), apparently lives with the child's mother, now 21, and at least 13 other wives in a fenced compound in Hildale, Utah.

The birth certificate obtained by New Times is the first substantial evidence that an FLDS leader has engaged in illegal sexual conduct with a minor. The certificate states that Warren Steeds Jeffs is the father of Millie Jeffs, born in Hildale on July 7, 2000. The mother is listed as Millie Annie Jessop, born March 20, 1982. Based on a nine-month gestation, Millie Anne Jessop was 17 years and seven months old at the time of conception.

Authorities say it is unlikely that Warren Jeffs was legally married to Millie Anne Jessop at the time of the conception. Warren had about 14 spiritual wives in June, 2001, including Millie, according to the Arizona Attorney General's Office.


http://www.childbrides.org/sex_Jon_missing_person_press_release.html
n March 2003, reporter John Dougherty of the Phoenix New Times unearthed a birth certificate indicating that Jeffs is the father of a girl named Millie Jeffs, born in Hildale on July 7, 2000. The certificate lists the mother as Millie Anne Jessop, born March 20, 1982 which suggests that the mother was at 17 years and seven months old when the baby was conceived (assuming a nine-month gestation).

[mollymalone]

Those two sisters would have been among the wives Warren appropriated after his father's death.

http://www.lasvegasweekly.com/content/fileadmin/oldsite/2004/02/05/cover.html

Ezra Draper 's father was married to two of Rulon Jeffs daughters.

PHOTO of a set of sisters married to Rulon Jeffs

EDITED TO ADD: Edna and Mary Fischer were married to Rulon Jeffs
on his 90th birthday.

http://tw.youtube.com/watch?v=QByvb_PEkPk&feature=related
fincenMIB
They were real, the Fischer Sisters. The strange thing is their mother Mary was also married to Rulon. The mother was married to him a year or so later after the father was found out of favor with Jeffs. If it helps, I don't think it was sexual by then with rulon. But junior or warren took 1/3 of his dads wives. Naomi was his favorite and was captured with him at the time of his arrest in Nevada

[Pepper]

Molly, they should be able to easily get Warren's DNA since he's in jail. After all, they've got the garbage from his cell - used cup, fork, tissue, etc. Don't think they need his permission for this. Maybe that will clear up some of the parental questions of these children.

[mollymalone]

Molly, they should be able to easily get Warren's DNA since he's in jail. After all, they've got the garbage from his cell - used cup, fork, tissue, etc. Don't think they need his permission for this. Maybe that will clear up some of the parental questions of these children.
I"m sure they will, by court order if necessary. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Warren Jeffs is still playing mind games with the "wives" and shuttling them all over the place.

In his phone conversation with Naomi he told them they were to be given to one of his cohorts, but he could have revoked that by now since he recanted.

[mykodiak]

I just read that Warren Jeffs is under a suicide watch. Do you think he's faking it? Or trying for true Prophet a little ahead of schedule? :rolleyes:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9159693

[Medusa]

I just read that Warren Jeffs is under a suicide watch. Do you think he's faking it? Or trying for true Prophet a little ahead of schedule? :rolleyes:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9159693

I read that and was wondering about that as well. Might be a ploy, thinking he gets attention or something. I wonder what the followers would do if he killed himself.

[mollymalone]

His diehard followers would blame the authorities and claim that he was murdered by them to keep him from the "rapture" he predicted was coming.

He's done this before, he's starved himself so he would look emaciated before he went into court. He did that before he banged his head against the walls last time. Later on, a corrections officer asked him if he was really trying to kill himself and he said "no."

[mollymalone]

I just read that Warren Jeffs is under a suicide watch. Do you think he's faking it? Or trying for true Prophet a little ahead of schedule? :rolleyes:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9159693Aw he's just fed up with having to do a bit of "work" for a change, you know, changing his own sheets on his bunk etc.. :rolleyes: He's probably more fed up with the fact that he can't control anyone and the officers (or inmates) aren't falling for his "charisma." pffft

Edited to add: He's alone in his cell for 23 hours except for visiting days and this is a person who's been surrounded by bodyguards, umpteen wives and sundry other persons, having to be alone with his own piddly thoughts must be driving him up the wall.

[mysteriew]

I just read that Warren Jeffs is under a suicide watch. Do you think he's faking it? Or trying for true Prophet a little ahead of schedule? :rolleyes:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9159693

I read somewhere (sorry that was a couple of days ago so I don't have the link) but I read that the Dr. Barlow has been given special permission to attend him in the jail. Could they be planning something? For them to plan an "end of days" scenario, he would most likely want to consult a doctor about it.

[mollymalone]

I read somewhere (sorry that was a couple of days ago so I don't have the link) but I read that the Dr. Barlow has been given special permission to attend him in the jail. Could they be planning something? For them to plan an "end of days" scenario, he would most likely want to consult a doctor about it.And knowing that his followers all swore to die for him, would they (the doc) slip him something to end it all
knowing that he'd be punished for doing so?

Barlow has permission, it's on the Dr. Barlow thread.

[mysteriew]

And knowing that his followers all swore to die for him, would they (the doc) slip him something to end it all
knowing that he'd be punished for doing so?

Barlow has permission, it's on the Dr. Barlow thread.

I'm not so sure Warren would actually take it. He seems like the type who would give the order- but stay around himself in order to control the info about it and try to whip the public into a frenzy.

[Leila]

I just read that Warren Jeffs is under a suicide watch. Do you think he's faking it? Or trying for true Prophet a little ahead of schedule? :rolleyes:

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9159693

I really hope that Warren Jeffs doesn't commit suicide, as he would then become a martyred prophet to his followers.

[Leila]

His diehard followers would blame the authorities and claim that he was murdered by them to keep him from the "rapture" he predicted was coming.

He's done this before, he's starved himself so he would look emaciated before he went into court. He did that before he banged his head against the walls last time. Later on, a corrections officer asked him if he was really trying to kill himself and he said "no."

If the guards note that he's not eating and drinking, they can haul him out of his cell and put him in a hospital and feed him through IV to keep him alive.

Don't let him starve himself to death........show that he's just a cowardly person who can't face up to his crimes. :behindbar

[mysteriew]

I really hope that Warren Jeffs doesn't commit suicide, as he would then become a martyred prophet to his
followers.

If he commits suicide, he won't go alone he will take his followers with him. Wasn't he too supposed to live with his followers until the
"end of days?" If he decides to commit suicide, he will give the order.

I don't know about his other attempts, but the fact that his (FLDS) doctor is in frequent attendence while he is allegedly suicidal
makes me nervous.

[Leila]

If he commits suicide, he won't go alone he will take his followers with him. Wasn't he too supposed to live with his followers until the
"end of days?" If he decides to commit suicide, he will give the order.

I don't know about his other attempts, but the fact that his (FLDS) doctor is in frequent attendence while he is allegedly suicidal
makes me nervous.

Prior to his trial last September, Warren Jeffs went on a starvation diet and lost a lot of weight. You can see it when he's brought into the courtroom in prison uniform. His arm were very thin. I also noted that the blue prison uniform was short sleeved and had a vee-neck, and there was no protective underwear worn.

If Jeffs were to commit suicide and take all his followers at the YFZ with him, thank goodness all those children are out of there!

[mollymalone]

I think Jeffs is a coward and he knows the system won't allow him to commit suicide by starvation. It's for attention and he knows it will get into the news and get back to his followers. It's his way of controlling his situation.

Jeffs then asks Naomi to destroy dictations he gave her, because "they are not of God." All of mine are to be destroyed, except the ones with revelations [that] are true because I was in the key position. . . . And that you need to be re-baptized and that you'll be given to Brother William [Jessop]. So will all the ladies.

By this statement Jeffs has reassigned his wives to William Jessop aka William Timpson who is now a spokesperson for the flds at yfz, and is bishop at YFZ. I wonder if when Jeffs recanted whether he recanted giving his wives away.

[mollymalone]

The wives of Joe, Dan, and Nephi Barlow were put into WJ's mix. I don't know any specifics. I know they are very unhappy.

I found this statement at a blog where former flds and others post on occasion. From what it says it's possible these men's wives were reassigned to Warren Jeffs.

[mollymalone]

FLDS: Warren Jeffs Makes FBI’s 10 Most Wanted List
CNN / Larry King Live May 8, 2006 Transcript

WARD JEFFS: He succeeded week after week and year after year in getting the minds of the people so attuned to perfect obedience that now he could make a move to begin to take over the mind of the prophet.
PETERSEN: He was choosing the brides for his father, so he could choose the most beautiful 14, 15-year-old wives.

PETERSEN: On his father’s passing he went in and married 34 of those girls of
his father’s and the ones that were a little older he passed them out among the boys.

[mollymalone]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/05/19/polygamist.retreat/?iref=mpstoryview
Two mothers who had children with Jeffs -- a boy and a 3-year-old girl -- were in court Monday. Both mothers were told that the children would stay in state custody as officials try to finish the family service plan.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5789935.html
One of the first cases to come up in court today involved the 6-year-old son of imprisoned FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs. The boy, who has a prosthetic leg from a birth defect, is being housed in Amarillo.
His mother, Sharon Barlow, appeared in court as her attorney, Donna Guion, complained to state District Judge Barbara Walther about the vagueness of the service plan and asked if there was any reason she cannot visit her son twice a week.

[mollymalone]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90OQ7IG0
A 6-year-old son of polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs did not suffer physical or sexual abuse while living with his mother at the group's Texas ranch, a child welfare case worker testified Monday. The attorney for the boy's mother, Sharon Barlow, objected to the state plan for her to get the boy back, saying it wasn't clear enough. Barlow, 34, must take parenting classes, find a safe living environment and undergo a psychological evaluation, according to the plan. "This plan is so vague and so broad that my client has no idea what she can do now," attorney Donna Guion said.
State District Judge Barbara Walther agreed the plan should be more specific and asked Guion to provide ideas on how that might be done.Walther asked Barlow if she understood if her parental rights were subject to termination if she did not comply with the plan. Barlow softly replied "yes" but did not testify otherwise.

The boy is one of 10 in state custody believed to be the children of Jeffs, the sect's jailed leader and prophet.

[mollymalone]

http://origin.sltrib.com/ci_9310669
Children of Warren Jeffs:
Brenda Jessop, 37, appeared at a hearing for her sons Isaac and Raymond. Both boys, sons of Warren Jeffs, are staying at Cal Farley Boys Ranch in Amarillo but have been separated there. The judge declined to award more visitation to Brenda Jessop. Parents are generally being given one hour per week with each child; she is allotted two hours with her boys together at the ranch. Brenda Jessop, who had her first visit with Isaac on Friday, said it was "wonderful." "They were doing well considering the circumstances," she said. "Of course, we are very anxious to get them back united with me." Caseworkers said Warren Jeffs, in jail in Arizona awaiting trial on additional charges, has been mailed copies of the service plans for both children.

In hearings for two other children of the sect leader:
Sharon Barlow, the mother of 6-year-old Samuel, also sought additional visitation. Her son uses a prosthetic leg and is particularly close to his mother, said attorney John Caldwell, who represents the boy. Caseworkers said they would consider that request.

Shannon Johnson, the mother of 3-year-old Maria, appeared to support placing the girl with her own mother, who has left the FLDS. Janice Johnson said she left the sect and was living in Nevada, but had moved to San Angelo in the hopes of caring for her grandchild.

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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5793538.html
One of convicted FLDS leader Warren Jeffs' many wives, 34-year-old Monica Sue Jeffs, appeared in court in her effort to win back her five children, ages 3 to 11.

She told the judge that Jeffs was the biological father of all the children, something she apparently withheld from CPS until very recently. She said she had read the family service plan and understood it.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deborah-king/from-san-angelo-tx_b_102556.html
Six-year-old Samuel Jeffs was the subject of the first hearing I attended. It was being tried in the courtroom of State District Judge Barbara Walther. Little Samuel is the son of 34-year-old Sharon Barlow, a petite, almost childlike-looking woman, and sect leader Warren Jeffs, who is currently in jail.

And little Samuel, one of 10 children in state custody who are believed to be the children of Jeffs, has a birth defect that requires a prosthetic leg. Barlow only has this one child, possibly a result of the FLDS belief that birth defects (as well as all disease) indicate wrongdoing. Samuel is being fitted for a new prosthesis by the state of Texas, and set up with a course in physical therapy.

[mollymalone]

http://phoenixnewtimes.com/content/printVersion/177759
According to a Pueblo County Sheriff's Office report, deputies discovered paperwork indicating that Warren Jeffs and Annette B. Jeffs, presumably one of his wives, owe the Internal Revenue Service $69,000 in back taxes.

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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/052108dntexjeffs.33d2286.html
CPS spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said the state has accommodated the children's desire to worship and to have three books important to their fundamentalist Mormon sect. Caseworkers have been instructed, though, to deny the children pictures of Mr. Jeffs or "notes regarding his teaching in their material," she said. Mr. Jeffs, who founded the Yearning for Zion ranch in Eldorado, is jailed in Arizona on charges related to arranging the marriages of underage girls to older men. Last fall, he was convicted of similar charges in Utah. We are concerned about his teachings," Ms. Meisner said. "We think his teachings are what led in part to the investigation that we are involved in at this time."

While some sect mothers' lawyers have insisted in court this week that Mr. Jeffs is the father of their children, who should be allowed to keep his photo, Ms. Meisner said his paternity hasn't been established. If it is, she said, "We will allow that biological child to have a picture."

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While some sect mothers' lawyers have insisted in court this week that Mr. Jeffs is the father of their children, who should be allowed to keep his photo, Ms. Meisner said his paternity hasn't been established. If it is, she said, "We will allow that biological child to have a picture."

I love TX! And there will be DNA to prove it...or not.

[mollymalone]

I'm going to post this here, because it's likely the young girl was one of his "brides."
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9392810
"Its most damning piece of evidence: a photograph of polygamous sect leader Warren S. Jeffs giving a husbandly kiss to a 12-year-old girl in July 2006. The girl, who is Dan Jessop's sister, came to the courthouse on Tuesday, but was not called to testify because the hearing did not resume. Instead, attorneys reached their agreement outside the courtroom, and Walther only briefly held court to accept the deal. An attorney for the state entered two marriage documents as evidence - one related to the Jessops' marriage in 2003 and another to a ceremony on July 26, 2006. Attorney Andrea Sloan, who represents the girl in the photograph with Jeffs, successfully asked to seal the second because it is related to an underage minor.

Rumors had swirled over the weekend about the busloads of witnesses DFPS might have been planning to bring to Tuesday's hearing. "I heard from an ad litem there were as many as eight girls," Matassarin said. "Someone else heard there were more than that." She had filed a motion earlier Tuesday to postpone the hearing so she could discover more about new witnesses - but the issue became moot when attorneys instead went forward with out-of-court negotiations. State attorneys did bring a stack of documents about 4 inches thick, which Matassarin said she has not been able to review."

[mollymalone]

http://www.boomertowne.com/news-stocks-weather/newsarticle.aspx?articleId=410118
"The absence of the father caused some hesitation when it came to identifying him, although Judge Marilyn Aboussie insisted on it during a hearing for Jeffs' 3-year-old daughter, Maria, and her mother, Shannon Johnson. Who is the father in this matter?" Aboussie asked at the start of their hearing. May I ask why the court is inquiring?" Johnson's lawyer, Jacques De La Mota, piped up. "If he is the father, we would need to know." After pausing, De La Mota replied: "The father would be Warren Jeffs." "And he is a guest of the state of Utah," Aboussie said, referring to Jeffs being in prison. "He doesn't have an attorney present, but he is seeking counsel at this time," De La Mota said. CPS workers said they have mailed him family service plans to review."

"A court-ordered DNA sample has not been collected from Jeffs, even though samples are on file at both the Utah State Prison and the Mohave County Jail."

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http://www.boomertowne.com/news-stocks-weather/newsarticle.aspx?articleId=410118
"The absence of the father caused some hesitation when it came to identifying him, although Judge Marilyn Aboussie insisted on it during a hearing for Jeffs' 3-year-old daughter, Maria, and her mother, Shannon Johnson. Who is the father in this matter?" Aboussie asked at the start of their hearing. May I ask why the court is inquiring?" Johnson's lawyer, Jacques De La Mota, piped up. "If he is the father, we would need to know." After pausing, De La Mota replied: "The father would be Warren Jeffs." "And he is a guest of the state of Utah," Aboussie said, referring to Jeffs being in prison. "He doesn't have an attorney present, but he is seeking counsel at this time," De La Mota said. CPS workers said they have mailed him family service plans to review."

"A court-ordered DNA sample has not been collected from Jeffs, even though samples are on file at both the Utah State Prison and the Mohave County Jail."

Good article. I knew when they entered the ranch and started removing the children that things there would be confusing. The numbers alone would make it confusing. When FLDS started lying about names and relationships that had to make things worse. Now the court is being hit with the confusion.

They are forcing the issue about the fathers being named, that is good to see.

I think it is funny that the FLDS defends their communal lifestyle, yet when it comes to court they are really making it a big issue that they must have 'individual' plans, 'individual' hearings, 'individual' everything. I guess the communal lifestyle isn't as satisfying as they let on.

Anybody know what is going on with Barbara Steed Jessop? She is refusing to sign the Family Service Plan for her son Sampson Jessop, 17 on the advice of her attorney. Evidently there is a criminal investigation?

[mollymalone]

SNIP
They are forcing the issue about the fathers being named, that is good to see.

I think it is funny that the FLDS defends their communal lifestyle, yet when it comes to court they are really making it a big issue that they must have 'individual' plans, 'individual' hearings, 'individual' everything. I guess the communal lifestyle isn't as satisfying as they let on.

Anybody know what is going on with Barbara Steed Jessop? She is refusing to sign the Family Service Plan for her son Sampson Jessop, 17 on the advice of her attorney. Evidently there is a criminal investigation?
Nothing so far, just that she won't sign one because of an investigation.

Who is the father in this matter?" Aboussie asked at the start of their hearing. May I ask why the court is inquiring?" Johnson's lawyer, Jacques De La Mota, piped up. " Absolutely ludicrous! It's a custody hearing and this attorney is reluctant to have the court know that the father is WJ. Why? PFFT

[mollymalone]

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9404992
"Legal debate shifted once again from the micro to the macro, from individual families to the communal ranch. Texas' argument is much easier to make when polygamist families are lumped into one crowd of pod people."

"And Louisa and Dan Jessop helped make the state's case."
"In the custody hearing for their newborn son, the new mother couldn't remember who lives in her house on the ranch. Even confronted with the photos, she said Jeffs, the leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is "perfect" in her eyes. The father, one of the young bride's many brothers, argued one kiss does not equal sexual abuse. Outside court he suggested the photo had been doctored.

Edited to add: The photo says one year anniversary, anniversary of what? In their sect he wouldn't be kissing or touching her unless he was married to her, or unless he was molesting her with her father's permission...and her father is Merill Jessop. Her brother is suggesting the photo has been doctored. :rolleyes:

[RainbowsAndGumdrops]

They just took DNA from Warren Jeffs. Boy do I wonder what this will reveal.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080530/ap_on_re_us/polygamist_retreat

[mollymalone]

SNIP Anybody know what is going on with Barbara Steed Jessop? She is refusing to sign the Family Service Plan for her son Sampson Jessop, 17 on the advice of her attorney. Evidently there is a criminal investigation?Apparently the article was referring to the overall criminal investigation. Her (and other lawyers) advised their clients not to sign the cps documents because they fear that those signatures on those documents can be used against their clients in the criminal case at a later date. In other words, if they signed the paper, they're stating that they were aware of abuse and that could be used against them.

[mollymalone]

Warren Jeffs and his cohorts may have thought he'd get out on appeal, or serve his five years and then be out and free. Apparently not, if he's convicted on the AZ charges and on any further charges regarding the four underage brides and anything else he gets charged with later. I think WJ is going to be spending much more time behind bars than he expected.

[mollymalone]

http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_9462173
Her order applies to all but one child: a 16-year-old girl whose attorney, Natalie Malonis, received a temporary restraining order to keep her in custody for at least three more days.

Malonis alleged in court Friday the girl may have a child that is being claimed by another woman, though she could not say who that woman is or where the child is staying.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700231781,00.html
"This child is an identified victim of sexual abuse," Natalie Malonis wrote in court papers. Malonis sought the stay so she could work out an agreement with an attorney for the girl's mother and Texas child welfare authorities. The order returns the girl to her mother, who is expected to take parenting classes and cooperate with an ongoing Child Protective Services investigation. The family is restricted to living in the San Antonio area

[mollymalone]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-polygamists_04tex.ART.State.Edition2.4655eb9.html
State District Judge Barbara Walther of San Angelo allowed the girl to be released to her mother, Annette Jeffs, at a Midland foster care facility after ordering the mother to keep her in the San Antonio area where she lives – and away from the alleged perpetrator, a 38-year-old sect member. The judge may impose additional restrictions, Ms. Malonis said.

Ms. Malonis said CPS and law enforcement had evidence that the girl was sexually abused, though they don't believe she's ever been pregnant. CPS lawyer Gary Banks and Tim Edwards of San Angelo, attorney for the girl's mother, helped craft the special order. It orders Annette Jeffs not to return to the ranch with the girl.

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I have a feeling that the story on Annette's child is gonna be really interesting.