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believe09
05-08-2008, 08:46 AM
This school has been rated one of the most dangerous in the country AND the teens returned to the school on Monday AFTER the attempt, assuming that it was just business as usual...WTH?

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/16191772/detail.html

Man in my day, it was respect your teachers or your parents would open up a can...there was no such thing as "personality conflicts" or my teacher doesn't like me. You dealt with it and it was assumed you were the problem...while there are extremes to this view point of course, I found it effective later in life because I learned how to deal with all kinds of people and still get things accomplished....

Floh
05-08-2008, 08:50 AM
Man in my day, it was respect your teachers or your parents would open up a can...there was no such thing as "personality conflicts" or my teacher doesn't like me. You dealt with it and it was assumed you were the problem...while there are extremes to this view point of course, I found it effective later in life because I learned how to deal with all kinds of people and still get things accomplished....

I know there is the same problem in Britain and Germany. any type of authority outrightly disrespected by students and parents.

it's the fall of western civilisation, IMO.

Floh
05-08-2008, 08:53 AM
But Jimmy Gittings, head of the union that represents school administrators, said the blame must start at home.

"Once our parents start teaching our children how to respect the community and respect the schools, this whole violence situation will do a complete turnabout," he said.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/16191772/detail.html

GlitchWizard
05-08-2008, 08:54 AM
In my day, my mom listened to me and the teacher and if the teacher was right - I was in trouble. If the teacher wasn't right, I wasn't. I was a good kid and mom knew me well, so she knew the difference. Just like your parent's way of handling it taught you a valuable lesson in dealing with all types of authority, my mom's way taught me to look at the big picture (both great lessons, just two different ones from the same type situation.) I'm wondering if these kids nowdays get ANY lessons from conflicts at school with teachers... other than authority is not important.

What is up with a parent saying my kid "probably" won't go to this school? I gave my daughter her choice of schools since Elementary School (we hold school fairs to advertise) and there were two schools I did not allow her to have in the choice. Dangerous places aren't where I wish to send my daughter.

CyberLaw
05-08-2008, 08:59 AM
To think that these are the future "adults" of the world is a scary thought.

Too many people take the easy way out and expect children to raise themselves.

There two boys are violent at age 13 and attempt to "rape" a women who is in authority. What about other people in authority who "attempt" to consequence the boys for a criminal act. Like a police officer.

Floh
05-08-2008, 09:00 AM
To think that these are the future "adults" of the world is a scary thought.

Too many people take the easy way out and expect children to raise themselves.

There two boys are violent at age 13 and attempt to "rape" a women who is in authority. What about other people in authority who "attempt" to consequence the boys for a criminal act. Like a police officer.


Yes. my thought for the future exactly. :(

GlitchWizard
05-08-2008, 09:03 AM
To think that these are the future "adults" of the world is a scary thought.

Too many people take the easy way out and expect children to raise themselves.

There two boys are violent at age 13 and attempt to "rape" a women who is in authority. What about other people in authority who "attempt" to consequence the boys for a criminal act. Like a police officer.

That would be the best case scenereo. The police officer is trained and equipped to taze them into submission. It's their girlfriends that are going to suffer.

My ALL TIME favorite bumper sticker was put out by our Department of Juvinile Justice and said:
"Spend time with your kids... so we don't have to."

MeoW333
05-08-2008, 09:34 AM
What they need to do is send those boys to juvie until they're 21. I hope that is the "example" they're thinking of. If they get a slap on the wrist; heck they were already back in school on Monday??!! Then that will just tell them and the rest of their peers that they can get away with this type of behavior. 13 years old and trying to rape an assistant principal!!

Floh
05-08-2008, 09:40 AM
What they need to do is send those boys to juvie until they're 21. I hope that is the "example" they're thinking of. If they get a slap on the wrist; heck they were already back in school on Monday??!! Then that will just tell them and the rest of their peers that they can get away with this type of behavior. 13 years old and trying to rape an assistant principal!!

Makes me wonder who else they've tried to rape? or even successfully raped. :(

Lurker
05-08-2008, 09:56 AM
Baltimore City, what a shocker.

That place is a haven for drugs, rape and violence. Most of those kids don't stand a chance, they grow up on the streets, no parents around and the ones that are, don't stand a chance either.

believe09
05-08-2008, 10:01 AM
That would be the best case scenereo. The police officer is trained and equipped to taze them into submission. It's their girlfriends that are going to suffer.

My ALL TIME favorite bumper sticker was put out by our Department of Juvinile Justice and said:
"Spend time with your kids... so we don't have to."

My bold and italics-this is my new favorite saying!!!!

Rino
05-08-2008, 10:21 AM
Student arrested for thrusting at teacher (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/crime/article.aspx?storyid=79147)

It boggles the mind how the standards are so skewed. I remember when I first read this linked story I thought it was an over reaction, but now :confused:

Blondieskatz
05-08-2008, 10:49 AM
It seems that respect for your elders and peers is going by the wayside. I see so many younger people that seem to think that laws are for everyone else. What has happened???

Jeana (DP)
05-08-2008, 10:55 AM
To think that these are the future "adults" of the world is a scary thought.

Too many people take the easy way out and expect children to raise themselves.

There two boys are violent at age 13 and attempt to "rape" a women who is in authority. What about other people in authority who "attempt" to consequence the boys for a criminal act. Like a police officer.

These are the future inmates of the world.

Mr. E
05-08-2008, 11:32 AM
Student arrested for thrusting at teacher (http://www.tampabays10.com/news/local/crime/article.aspx?storyid=79147)

It boggles the mind how the standards are so skewed. I remember when I first read this linked story I thought it was an over reaction, but now :confused:

You have a right to get a drink of water from a fountain without somebody pretending to have sex with your backside.

Salem
05-08-2008, 11:45 AM
But Jimmy Gittings, head of the union that represents school administrators, said the blame must start at home.

"Once our parents start teaching our children how to respect the community and respect the schools, this whole violence situation will do a complete turnabout," he said.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/16191772/detail.html

I think this is so true. And while I agree that sometimes you can have a bad kid despite good parenting, I don't think it is the norm. I think parents should get in trouble too and be required to take parenting classes when their kids get in trouble like this. I think the parents should have to take classes that teach them that they do have to supervise their children, violence in the home is unacceptable, they do have to cook and feed these kids and they do have to keep them off the streets. UGGGGHHHHH!

Salem

Glow
05-08-2008, 11:47 AM
I know there is the same problem in Britain and Germany. any type of authority outrightly disrespected by students and parents.

it's the fall of western civilisation, IMO.


I think you are dead on with that prediction Floh. If we look back at what the prerequisites where for when a world power fell and made way for the next one.

Rino
05-08-2008, 11:58 AM
You have a right to get a drink of water from a fountain without somebody pretending to have sex with your backside.
I don't disagree with you

Jeana (DP)
05-08-2008, 12:34 PM
I know there is the same problem in Britain and Germany. any type of authority outrightly disrespected by students and parents.

it's the fall of western civilisation, IMO.

I couldn't disagree with you more Floh. I've got three kids from age 13 to age 28 and all of them have had their entire lives free from fights and being afraid to go to school. I think these incidents, while sickening, are pretty much in problem schools and could be solved if the district wanted to get off their fat butts and do something about it. These are probably the same school district who have ZERO parent and grandparent participation, not enough money for books and school supplies and, I'm sorry to say, teachers who might not be able to get hired anyplace else. Okay teachers, let me have it.

believe09
05-08-2008, 12:50 PM
I have heard for years from teachers who refuse to teach classes beyond the 3 rd grade because of the intimidation factor. After all, they are just one person and the class is 15-30 in size. ??? out side of the military and LE, plus Firefighters, where is there a job where we EXPEXCT the professionals to be in physical danger from the individuals they assist? And at least in LE etc they make a decent salary (for the most part), as opposed to teachers.

Extreme examples excepted, there is always reason to respect another person even if you do not love or like them...that is the lesson I learned. I was taught to respect elderly because they are further along the journey than I am-that alone is reason enough. That being said, there are all kinds of ways to right wrongs in a respectful manner, even in teacher/student conflicts. For these 13 year olds to think that their behavior is even mildly excusable is monsterous-and yet they assumed that they would be welcome to return to school after the event...

I had a science teacher in high school who was arrested for crimes against children. Since he had tenyer (sp?) he could not be fired and after settling the matter in criminal court, he was allowed to return to his job. It never once occurred to me to taunt him or bring this to his attention in any way-I simply looked out for myself and my fellow students-we were beyond his age range anyway. Now this was back in the day when these guys were whispered about but not much was done-but our parents brought significant pressure to the school board, and he was eventually retired and allowed to collect his benefits provided he did not attempt to teach in another school system.

Am I making sense?

GlitchWizard
05-08-2008, 01:01 PM
.......Extreme examples excepted, there is always reason to respect another person even if you do not love or like them...that is the lesson I learned. ....
Am I making sense?

I disagree that you always have reason to respect another person. (However, if you can actually do that, you are a way better person that I am.)

HOWEVER, whether you respect them or not should have no bearing on how you TREAT them. TREATING people with respect, even in extreme examples of them not deserving it, is something you do for yourself, not for the other person.

At least that's what I tell my kid. :-)

Filly
05-08-2008, 01:52 PM
Baltimore City, what a shocker.

That place is a haven for drugs, rape and violence. Most of those kids don't stand a chance, they grow up on the streets, no parents around and the ones that are, don't stand a chance either.

B-More. Shocker is right, Lurker. Business as usual. Their parents don't respect authority. We're talking people that shoot at the Comcast man and rob the pizza delivery guy at gunpoint. Kids that laugh at the cops and stand in the way of firefighters and ambulances. Then everybody is up in arms they can't order a pizza or get the Comcast guy to come in their neighborhood. It's more than often being taught to deliberately not respect authority figures. If something happened in a classroom to one of those "boys" that didn't jive with a parent they'd be up there stomping somebody.

philamena
05-08-2008, 02:54 PM
"We just have to get a handle over this. I think we're just going to have to make examples of some of our young people," said Mayor Sheila Dixon.



Ummm no;let's not protect the kids or give them a little slap on the wrist. Attempted rape makes them sexual predators. This attack happened on the weekend, so the 2 thugs premeditated the crime. They knew exactly when the teacher would be at school and when she was be more vulnerable.
Lock their @'s up for life. They didn't succeed this time and they will try again if they're freed.

reb
05-08-2008, 03:01 PM
HA!!!! --typical. i KNEW this story was about BALTIMORE before even opening the thread.. no surprise here.

Lurker
05-08-2008, 03:11 PM
B-More. Shocker is right, Lurker. Business as usual. Their parents don't respect authority. We're talking people that shoot at the Comcast man and rob the pizza delivery guy at gunpoint. Kids that laugh at the cops and stand in the way of firefighters and ambulances. Then everybody is up in arms they can't order a pizza or get the Comcast guy to come in their neighborhood. It's more than often being taught to deliberately not respect authority figures. If something happened in a classroom to one of those "boys" that didn't jive with a parent they'd be up there stomping somebody.


Exactly! And their low life parents will be the first in court when their precious murders someone or is gunned down themselves saying what a good boy they were. It's pathetic.

There are parts of Baltimore City that they should just burn down with everyone in it and start all over again.

Malini2001
05-08-2008, 03:27 PM
I couldn't disagree with you more Floh. I've got three kids from age 13 to age 28 and all of them have had their entire lives free from fights and being afraid to go to school. I think these incidents, while sickening, are pretty much in problem schools and could be solved if the district wanted to get off their fat butts and do something about it. These are probably the same school district who have ZERO parent and grandparent participation, not enough money for books and school supplies and, I'm sorry to say, teachers who might not be able to get hired anyplace else. Okay teachers, let me have it.

Jeana, you've got it right. I work in Baltimore city and many of my co-workers have kids in Baltimore city schools. Teachers and principals are the bottom of the barrel, talent wise. As for money, they have had people in central administration that were stealing money. The politicians fight over who should be in charge of the school system. Most of the 'charter' schools that are run by outside organizations are doing well. I think that shows that a lot of the problems are caused by the district office, as well as by the school personnel.

One co-worker has a 15 yr old that is pretty smart but cut a lot of school days last year. The doors are mostly open (I always thought they were supposed to be locked to keep out strangers) and kids walk in and out all day with McDonald's, etc. School admin doesn't even try to stop them or notify their parents. She talked to the principal last Sept. and he outlined all these things he was going to do to monitor her daughter and make sure she stayed in class, etc. He was going to meet the student daily, etc. He never followed through and it wasn't until Feb. that the school contacted her about her daughter's absenteeism. She has called the school counselor who has said things like, "oh, I saw your daughter leaving early this morning."

In April the asst. principal set up a system whereby the girl had to have each teacher sign her daily form as to whether she was in class or not, take it to her mother and then her mother would fax it to the office with her signature. They didn't follow through on that either. But 1 teacher e-mailed the mother and said the girl was in class on time but her boy friend (18 yr old cutting his own class) followed her in and wanted to stay. When the teacher said he couldn't the girl gave the teacher a lot of backtalk and walked out. The teacher's question was "is she was allowed to walk the halls during class?" Now if the teacher doesn't know the rules, how can the kids?

This mother has stood on her head to get her daughter straightened out and gets no cooperation from the school. They had her cell #, work # and home #, as well as her e-mail address, and didn't contact her for months.

I'm sure there are kids whose parents do not take an interest in school at all, but there are many who do and I don't think they get any cooperation from the schools. The Baltimore city schools are a mess and need a major overhaul from the top, down.

Sandy247
05-08-2008, 03:49 PM
I went to Baltimore City schools a long time ago and man, have things changed. The kids rule the school, not the administrators. Teachers are getting beat up in class. Just recently, an art teacher Jolita Berry, got beat up. She was afraid at first to file charges against the girl who beat her in fear of retaliation. She did file finally. These schools need another Joe Clark(movie Lean On Me) to straighten out these issues.

Trino
05-08-2008, 06:27 PM
Jeana, you've got it right. I work in Baltimore city and many of my co-workers have kids in Baltimore city schools. Teachers and principals are the bottom of the barrel, talent wise. As for money, they have had people in central administration that were stealing money. The politicians fight over who should be in charge of the school system. Most of the 'charter' schools that are run by outside organizations are doing well. I think that shows that a lot of the problems are caused by the district office, as well as by the school personnel.

One co-worker has a 15 yr old that is pretty smart but cut a lot of school days last year. The doors are mostly open (I always thought they were supposed to be locked to keep out strangers) and kids walk in and out all day with McDonald's, etc. School admin doesn't even try to stop them or notify their parents. She talked to the principal last Sept. and he outlined all these things he was going to do to monitor her daughter and make sure she stayed in class, etc. He was going to meet the student daily, etc. He never followed through and it wasn't until Feb. that the school contacted her about her daughter's absenteeism. She has called the school counselor who has said things like, "oh, I saw your daughter leaving early this morning."

In April the asst. principal set up a system whereby the girl had to have each teacher sign her daily form as to whether she was in class or not, take it to her mother and then her mother would fax it to the office with her signature. They didn't follow through on that either. But 1 teacher e-mailed the mother and said the girl was in class on time but her boy friend (18 yr old cutting his own class) followed her in and wanted to stay. When the teacher said he couldn't the girl gave the teacher a lot of backtalk and walked out. The teacher's question was "is she was allowed to walk the halls during class?" Now if the teacher doesn't know the rules, how can the kids?

This mother has stood on her head to get her daughter straightened out and gets no cooperation from the school. They had her cell #, work # and home #, as well as her e-mail address, and didn't contact her for months.

I'm sure there are kids whose parents do not take an interest in school at all, but there are many who do and I don't think they get any cooperation from the schools. The Baltimore city schools are a mess and need a major overhaul from the top, down.

The Baltimore schools ARE a mess, but the problems aren't all in Baltimore. Many schools have become social fix-its for everything from drug abuse to birth control, while real education has been placed at the bottom of the ladder. Teachers can only do so much if kids have been raised by TV in a single parent family.

Let me tell you about one school I personally know a lot about. The school has 800 students. BUT, it also has a principal, two assistant principals, four counselors, a career guidance counselor, three social workers, a school nurse, a fully-staffed clinic with a doctor/nurse (3 days). It also employees around 10 educational assistants. The interesting thing about all this is that the school has not met standards for three consecutive years nor has it met the graduation rate.

reb
05-08-2008, 07:15 PM
There are parts of Baltimore City that they should just burn down with everyone in it and start all over again.>

PARTS of baltimore?? how about 90% of the whole city? i was gonna say 'nuke' but i didn't want to be attacked by anyone who lives there! however it's the sad truth and everyone knows it. it's hopeless.

just save the cool buildings, the nice people,, and the trees.. & a few other things...

txsvicki
05-08-2008, 07:34 PM
I imagine alot of these bad kids in the most dangerous schools in the U.S. have parents in and out of prison for selling drugs, parents in gangs, dead parents, living with elderly poor grandmas getting very little help, etc.

Trino
05-08-2008, 07:49 PM
I imagine alot of these bad kids in the most dangerous schools in the U.S. have parents in and out of prison for selling drugs, parents in gangs, dead parents, living with elderly poor grandmas getting very little help, etc.

I think you're right on.

Just to give a perspective... When I was teaching, one of my h.s. students said she was so excited because her brother was coming home. My first thoughts were college or Iraq. Well, he was coming home from prison.

It's a Catch-22.

Sandy247
05-09-2008, 09:51 AM
I think you're right on.

Just to give a perspective... When I was teaching, one of my h.s. students said she was so excited because her brother was coming home. My first thoughts were college or Iraq. Well, he was coming home from prison.

It's a Catch-22.

How sad Trino. I am a witness to driving in the city at night to see children maybe seven or eight wandering the streets at midnight. I am sure that Baltimore is not the only city to have these types of problems. There are beautiful parts to Baltimore City.

CyberLaw
05-09-2008, 10:03 AM
WE had a problem with our oldest cutting classes. It became a huge problem and his grades went down. He was spending time with his girlfriend.

He lied to us. That just ticked us off even more. So if he skips a class, he gets grounded for one day on the weekend and assigned "chores" that we know that he does not like. He is not a fan of yard work, so of course we assigned him yard work.

It was amazing after getting grounded for 4 entire weekends in a month how quickly his "attitude" changed. You see he may have seen his girlfriend by skipping classes during the week, but he could not see her all weekend. He decided that the time on the weekend was more important and his grades and school attendance is much better.

Also the school wanted to transfer him to another school for "truant" kids. Again that would have prevented him from seeing his girlfriend at lunch and after school. We told him to shape up or he goes to another school. He decided to shape up.