Mr. Kyle's Memories [Archive] - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

christine2448

05-10-2008, 01:32 AM

Please list here anything we know Mr. Kyle REMEMBERS

christine2448

05-10-2008, 01:32 AM

From Nurse:
Statement from nurse:

Although he has amnesia and cannot recall much factual data, he appears to have many memories of Indiana in general and Indianapolis as well. He also has memories of Colorado.

christine2448

05-10-2008, 01:32 AM

From Believe09:

he believes he has 3 brothers; that the name Benjaman has an association to himself; that he fell off a loading dock and had skin grafts taken from his arm to rebuild a finger as a result; that he had cervical spine surgery at some point; he is familiar with electrical construction, wiring etc; he is familiar with restaurant layouts and building codes; he loves crossword puzzles and is very good at them.

christine2448

05-10-2008, 01:36 AM

More coming.....

LionRun

05-10-2008, 01:59 AM

Benjaman stated in an interview that when he looked into the mirror he seemed to think that he lost 20 years. He may have a very vague memory of being 15-25 years younger. This doesn't necessarily mean that he developed amnesia at that time. He could have developed it more recently, but instead vaguely remembers certain things from long ago.

believe09

05-13-2008, 08:52 PM

Hi Everyone-I received a tip today that Benjaman may have attended University of Denver or Boulder in Colorado, and that there is a chance his DOB is close to 1948. No information still on name or even major. Does anyone want to take this and run with it...even trying to see if we can get any year books? I am in the middle of a couple weeks of insanity, so I cannot run with this one by myself. His build is pretty athletic, so it might be worthwhile to see if they had football or wrestling-we would be looking at a graduation date of around 1968 or 1969 I would think...

Thoughts?

Julessleuther

05-13-2008, 11:45 PM

I found the alumni coordinator for the University of Denver class of 1968. They just had their reunion in March. I am emailing her with a picture of BK and asking if she recognizes him and if she could forward his pic to other alumni to see if anyone else recognizes him. Wish me luck!
Jules

christine2448

05-14-2008, 12:10 AM

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Thank you Jules!~ Please follow up if you haven't heard back and please keep us updated. Thanks for taking the time!

Julessleuther

05-14-2008, 12:17 AM

Here is the email I sent:

Dear Ms. Beckmann:

I belong to a group of ameteur sleuths called websleuths.com. We volunteer our time to find missing and unidentified people. One of the people we are trying to help is a gentleman with amnesia, who lives in Georgia. He has been profiled on national news, and I will enclose some of the links to his case for you. While awaiting his real identity, he goes by Benjamin Kyle. He is also listed on the missing persons site, Doenetwork. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1007umga.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1007umga.html)

It has come to our attention that Mr. Kyle may have attended the University of Denver, and may have been from the 1968 or 1969 graduating class. The attached is a recent photo of Mr. Kyle. I wanted to find out if you recognized him yourself, or if you could forward his information to your alumni to see if anyone else recognizes him. He also thinks he may be from the Denver or Indianapolis area.

Here are some of the media links for Mr. Kyle.

http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7218919

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/news-article.aspx?storyid=93641

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=104800

Some additional pictures/video of Mr. Kyle:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle5.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym30i3BUXWg

Lastly, here is the extensive research that has been done to locate his identity on websleuths.com

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147

Thank you for any help you are able to provide.

Best wishes,

christine2448

05-14-2008, 12:18 AM

Fantastic! :blowkiss:

Sable

05-17-2008, 12:26 AM

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=LH&s_site=kentucky&p_multi=LH&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB73D991179CDF3&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

EX-LOADING DOCK WORKER RECEIVES $1 MILLION JUDGMENT FOR HAND INJURY (http://nl.newsbank.com/nojavascript.html)

Source: Thomas Tolliver Herald-Leader staff writer
A jury yesterday awarded more than $1 million to a Lexington man whose hand was crushed in a conveyor belt while he was working at the Herald-Leader. The jury determined that the manufacturer of the conveyor belt, IDAB Inc., was responsible for Timothy R. DeRossette's injury. DeRossette worked on the newspaper's loading dock, where bundles of newspapers are put into trucks. On Oct. 2, 1989, DeRossette was removing newspaper bundles from the conveyor when his left

Published on November 28, 1991, Page B10, Lexington Herald-Leader (KY)

LionRun

05-17-2008, 12:30 AM

Here is the email I sent:

Dear Ms. Beckmann:

I belong to a group of ameteur sleuths called websleuths.com. We volunteer our time to find missing and unidentified people. One of the people we are trying to help is a gentleman with amnesia, who lives in Georgia. He has been profiled on national news, and I will enclose some of the links to his case for you. While awaiting his real identity, he goes by Benjamin Kyle. He is also listed on the missing persons site, Doenetwork. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1007umga.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1007umga.html)

It has come to our attention that Mr. Kyle may have attended the University of Denver, and may have been from the 1968 or 1969 graduating class. The attached is a recent photo of Mr. Kyle. I wanted to find out if you recognized him yourself, or if you could forward his information to your alumni to see if anyone else recognizes him. He also thinks he may be from the Denver or Indianapolis area.

Here are some of the media links for Mr. Kyle.

http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7218919

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/news-article.aspx?storyid=93641

http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=104800

Some additional pictures/video of Mr. Kyle:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle5.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym30i3BUXWg

Lastly, here is the extensive research that has been done to locate his identity on websleuths.com

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=147

Thank you for any help you are able to provide.

Best wishes,

Julessleuther, thank you:).

Julessleuther

05-17-2008, 01:04 AM

I have heard nothing from the alumni coordinator. :(

NJshrink

05-17-2008, 01:30 AM

I haven't cross checked all the eliminated matches, but his pictures on doe seem to be an almost perfect match to Benjamin Kyle Professor Emeritus in Chemical Engineering at Kansas State University. His phone number there is 785-532-5584. His e-mail is bgkyle@ksu.edu and his web site is listed as http://www.che.sku.edu/~bgkyle/

SeriouslySearching

05-17-2008, 02:13 AM

Excellent find, NJ! While I don't think he would still be listed on their website, if it was actually BK..it could be his brother. There is a resemblance and it would make sense that BK remembered the name.

LionRun

05-17-2008, 02:22 AM

I haven't cross checked all the eliminated matches, but his pictures on doe seem to be an almost perfect match to Benjamin Kyle Professor Emeritus in Chemical Engineering at Kansas State University. His phone number there is 785-532-5584. His e-mail is bgkyle@ksu.edu and his web site is listed as http://www.che.sku.edu/~bgkyle/

NJshrink, from your post I am assuming that you saw Benjaman Kyle's pics. Since the website you listed is no longer good I am wondering how you saw the pic of Professor Benjamin Kyle, Emeritus. If you have access to or can post a link to a pic of the professor, I would be most grateful. Thank you:).

SeriouslySearching

05-17-2008, 02:28 AM

The correct website is: http://www.che.ksu.edu/people/faculty.html

LionRun

05-17-2008, 02:43 AM

The correct website is: http://www.che.ksu.edu/people/faculty.html

Thank you SS:blowkiss:.

I think there is a possibility that the two may be related, but I doubt strongly that this could be Benjaman. I would look into it mainly because Benjaman may have chosen his name for a reason and there may be a hint of resemblance to each other. Perhaps there is a remote possibility that they are related. This is just my take on it:).

SeriouslySearching

05-17-2008, 02:51 AM

I don't think it is our BK because it is doubtful to me they would leave his photo on the faculty page for this long in his absence. However, there is a chance it could be his older brother or even cousin. I will be anxious to hear about this one. I think it is the best lead I have seen yet.

believe09

05-17-2008, 09:10 AM

I don't think it is our BK because it is doubtful to me they would leave his photo on the faculty page for this long in his absence. However, there is a chance it could be his older brother or even cousin. I will be anxious to hear about this one. I think it is the best lead I have seen yet.

Is anyone going to contact the good professor to follow up? Can't hurt.....
:blowkiss:

SieSie

05-18-2008, 11:27 PM

The correct website is: http://www.che.ksu.edu/people/faculty.html
I put the professor's picture (enlarged) beside our BK, here it is and I'll add it to the photo thread, too...

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Blue7/Missing/UID/BenjaminKyle.jpg

Not sure if it looks like him or not, but I think it's definitely worth looking into - so who's making contact??

Great job everyone!! :blowkiss:

LaWanda

05-19-2008, 08:46 AM

I thought Benjamin used "Benjamin Kyle" because the initals were BK, as in the Burger King that he was found behind? It definately wouldn't hurt to shoot the Prof an email though.

believe09

05-19-2008, 10:05 AM

I thought Benjamin used "Benjamin Kyle" because the initals were BK, as in the Burger King that he was found behind? It definately wouldn't hurt to shoot the Prof an email though.

You are absolutely correct-he did. His real affinity is for the name Benjaman, spelled exactly that way.

:)

SeriouslySearching

05-22-2008, 12:07 AM

Did anyone bother to check with the Professor?

christine2448

07-12-2008, 10:38 PM

Alot of info here...this was in an email we rec'd from BK.

Mama Elena's is or was on East Colfax. The building was next to a Taco Bell and built of the same brick that they used to use for Taco Bells.. I always thought the building might have been built as a headquartres building for a Taco Bell Franchisee or a regional Headquartres for Taco Bell itself.
Mama Elena"s lad the best "mexican" food in Denver. They said everything was prepared fresh daily and I believe it. It tasted like it. Th ey said their cuisine derived from the French when France ruled Mexico for a few years through a puppet emperor.
Near the corner of Colfax and Colorado were two coffee shops [now termed "family restaurants" as opposed to Starbucks which I don't believe even existed then] Azar's Big Boy and White Spot.I see by satellite pictures that neither building exists any longer.
Azars did have a great buffet, but lousy service. White Spot was great for bar rush but usually only had one cook on duty so it took a long time to get your food. Azar's always seemed to have plenty of staff on duty but they seemed more interested in talking to each other than waiting on customers. There was another White Spot closer to the State Capital on Colfax That was frequently called the Gay Spot instead of the White Spot. Both chains are now out of business, at least I can not find them anywhere in the internet.

The Normandy was on Colfax at Monroe Street [I think]. Their parking lot fronted Colfax and the building fronted a side street. It was very High End [expensive]. It had originally been located futher east on Colfax, again, itn an old house on the corner. After they moved another French Restaurant took over the building and made a success of it [ Tante Louise? ].
Down the street from Colorado Boulevard, west, toward the Capital Building, there was a old Sambo's building which was occupied by several restaurants at one time or another but none of them ever seemed to make a success of it. across the street from the Sambo's was an old Red Barn restaurant building that became an antique store. I think it is still in business.
Across from East High School was a Kentucky Fried Chicken clone whose name I do not remember.Just east of the chicken place was an Arthur Treachers Fish & Chips.
Somewhere on East Colfax, near the Park Avenue intersection was Mountain Man Pizza [I think I have the name right]. They had gotten several awards for having the best pizza in Denver, in my humble opinion it was the best in Colorado. They also had a store in Steamboat Springs. They had a salad bar set up in an old cast iron bathtub just inside the door.
I recognize several of the restaurants mentioned in your E-mail to Ms. Slater. Westworld used to publish these awards every year. I think they made up some category's just so their advertisers could win something.

Salem

07-12-2008, 11:03 PM

From the email - I think it would be fair to say he spent some time in Denver. Or am I only repeating the obvious?:crazy:

So.... given that he knows these restraunts so well - did he work in the area? Someone working in the area would frequent different places during lunchtime.

If anyone has access to Denver newspaper archieves, it might be possible to figure out when the White Spot and the Big Boy went out of business and when the one restraunt was turned into an antique store. This could give us a bit of a timeframe. BK says he remembers when the antique store went in.

There is also a high school that he talks about. I wonder if he went to high school there and he was in the area during his late teens, before heading off to college? I just say this because he seems to remember the high school, and high schoolers would also frequent nearby restraunts and would definitely notice which ones were too expensive.

Salem

raeann

07-14-2008, 12:28 PM

If someone from the Denver area could contact one of the current restaurant owners or other business owners in that area, I'm sure they might be able to give some sort of a time frame for the combination of restaurants which are recalled. Also if there is any business in that area that has been in existence for a long period of time, that owner might be most helpful. This extensive listing of places seems to indicate someone who ate out OFTEN in that area, or someone who had some type of business that required him to visit these places. (Health inspector, linen service, supply sales, etc. ????)

raeann

07-14-2008, 12:42 PM

http://www.larryhotz.com/blog/cool-fax-avenue/
I don't know how to create a link, sorry, but this is a real estate website that has an article about restaurants and the popularity of the Colfax street area in Denver. From the picture of Larry Hotz on the site, he seems to be about the same age as Mr. Kyle is thought to be, so if someone wanted to contact him and send an email regarding this case, he might be helpful. The article is about the Colfax area being referred to as "Cool-fax" and was written by Elizabeth Hotz from the same real estate firm.

raeann

07-14-2008, 12:51 PM

Here is another possible helpful source of information. I am unable to email or otherwise contact anyone at these sites today, but would love to hear what these places have to say about MR.KYLE if anyone else could please check these sources out.
....Quote.....BASTION"S RESTAURANT
3501 E. Colfax, Denver (303) 322-0363
We have been serving guests for almost 60 years. We know how to show our guests a dining experience with our entrees such as grilled salmon, steak and shrimp, Cajun Catfish, and our signature Chicken Florentine. We are located on the east side of downtown Denver on Colfax, and we have free parking behind the restaurant. Please call ahead with reservations.

Fairy1

07-14-2008, 08:53 PM

Sure seems Mr. Kyle has a lot of specific memories about Denver - I can't believe that's a coincidence! I've been reading up on the history of Colfax Avenue - and there's quite a lot of information out there. Seems the avenue has seen better days. I'm posting a link to an article that explains this historic avenue and provides a great timeline for how it has evolved through the years. May help us narrow down when Mr. Kyle was in that area. Two things about his memories; when did Taco Bells start popping up? And, I know it's been stated that he seems to have a good deal of knowledge about restaurants - possibly building or engineering. But maybe he was a food critic or a restaurant building inspector???? IDK - but here's the article!

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3850661

bluestarzz

07-14-2008, 10:57 PM

in Oct 1997, pepsico spun off ....taco bell therefore forming tricon global rest.
under taco bell history...on their website, now who knows how long it took before one popped up in that area...but i would think 1997, 1998 or a little earlier would be a good guess for BK
beverly

MidnightQ

07-15-2008, 05:01 AM

Could anyone contact Taco Bell and ask? To contact them via their website you need a US adress.

I don't know how the system is in US, but in Denmark you need to registre your company, and those information are keept for years even after the business is closed. If you have those kind of information, maybe it is possible to find former owners of restaurantes and businesses in the area.

Salem

07-15-2008, 11:43 AM

If he was in Denver in 1997/98, a search of the Denver paper archives might be useful for those years.

Also, getting a phone number for the antique store and finding out when it started business might be helpful.

Contacting the Larry Holtz guy in Reann's post above may prove very helpful, especially if he likes to talk.

I know we have case managers for BK. Could I ask one of them to explain what we posters can do on our own without messing up anything they are working on? I know it is best to have only one or two people do contacts so that we don't overwhelm anyone. I would be more than willing to send an email to the Realtor guy, but I don't want to get in anyone's way. Let me know and I will either contact or not contact depending upon the reply :)

Salem

Aimee729

07-15-2008, 05:06 PM

I am a very newbie here- and this is my first time posting. Fascinating story and so sad that the case has not been solved. Please allow my observations and ideas from "new eyes" on the case. My first thought was- wow, this guy looks like my Dad. (It is not, my Dad is living with my Mom). They do have many similarities- for one, my Dad has always been told he looked like Gerald McRaney! I believe they may be similar in age- DOB around 1940. His musculature and physical attributes- similar to my Dad who worked in construction/building. His knowledge of electrical work and restaurants- maybe he worked in building them. Does his skin look weathered- like he may have worked outside in the sun?? How about his hands- are they smooth and soft or rough and scarred like a man who has physically worked with his hands for a living? As for the name Benjamen- my thought is maybe that is the name of his son- not of himself. Maybe he remembers the name of his most dear loved one- even if it is someone who he has not seen in a while. For, if he had a family- a wife, girlfriend or grown children- surely they would be frantically looking for their lost loved one. It seems like someone would have discovered him by now. My observations- but maybe some new ideas.

Fairy1

07-15-2008, 08:34 PM

Welcome Aimee - great to have a new pair of eyes here!

My memory isn't what it used to be (along with many of my body parts!), but I remember Taco Bell from long before the 90's. I would venture to say late 70's even. With that said, the reason I'm focusing on this point is because Colfax Avenue appears to have transformed significantly over the years. From what I have read, it began as a truly wonderful and major thoroughfare and has degenerated into a hangout for hookers, pimps, homeless and other less than ideal citizens. Benjaman's memories of it seem to be centered around restaurants and that may make it easier to pinpoint the timeframe during which he was in the area. Judging from what I found on Colfax on-line, I'm certain the Denver area libraries would have more in-depth historical accounts. But I'm not in Denver!

phenolred

07-16-2008, 01:03 PM

Ok I have found some very intreging connections with the Big Boy

based on what I have found the AZARS big boy was in COLORADO and INDIANA, they were a Big Boy franchise it appears the ONLY 2 states that have AZARS franchinses or DID is Indiana (fort Wayne( might stil be open and Colorado.

Also, based on other research the SAME arcitects that built the Denver Azars Big Boy also built a Big Boy in Indianapolis strange huh?/

https://digital.lib.washington.edu/php/architect/record.phtml?type=structure&structureid=10170

phenolred

07-16-2008, 01:38 PM

More digging I found this to be really odd I guess the man that owned the Big Boy in Denver Colorado LIVED in FORT WAYNE indiana weird

here is a link

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=FW&s_site=fortwayne&p_multi=FW&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0F936D88A08A43CB&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

phenolred

07-16-2008, 01:40 PM

one more thing I found

Denver Post - NewsBank - May 14, 1994
The last Azar's Big Boy outlet in Colorado closed two years ago.

so the last Big Boy he could have possibly been in, in Denver is 1992.

EmilyE

08-25-2008, 02:27 AM

He speaks of White spot- those are restraunts I've seen in BC Canada.
He also says neither building is there where he thinks they were anymore... Could he be from Canada?

I've never seen a white spot in USA and they are definitely not out of business in Canada.
White spot is somewhat like Applebees or Dennys.

CuriousCity

08-26-2008, 11:52 PM

Hello everyone! I'm a newbie to websleuths though I have lurked for years. I did some digging around this evening based on the email in this thread from BK. Here's what I found:

1969 - 1984 Sambo’s open and active in Denver
http://www.santabarbara.com/Dining/review_read.asp?pk_restaurant=773

Which means, if he is referring to the "old Sambo's", it would have to be after 1984. However, for him to remember that it was originally a Sambo's, he would have had to have seen it close (perhaps ate there before it closed). Therefore, 1984 or earlier.

Next, the infamous Red Barn/antique store:

Old Red Barn now a Starbucks
Location according to Red Barn memory website is 2975 E Colfax Ave Denver, CO
http://www.barnbuster.net/barnsgonebye12.html
Street view on google maps estimates the address at around 2914 E Colfax Ave Denver, CO (if you'd like to take a look - can not tell what is across the street that he claimed had been many unsuccessful restaurants)
Opened(?) Or was active on April 23, 1969. (Source barnbuster.net)
Closed at the latest in 1986, as that is the year the final leases on Red Barn Stores were terminated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Barn

This is directly from the notes that I took while I was researching, so I mostly just stated the fact and source, just like high school report data.

Based on what I found above, I theorize that BK was active in Denver in the mid 80's to early 90's.

Earthbound Misfit I

08-27-2008, 12:29 AM

There use to be a White Spot Drive-In in Denver, CO. I'm not sure when it went out of business though.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/INTL/1/WebPromo/BUTTON_20off.gif
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/Matted_Prints/MP_873273_b71_210~White-Spot-Drive-In-Denver-Colorado-Posters.jpg
Title: White Spot Drive-In, Denver, Colorado

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Source: http://www.allposters.com/-sp/White-Spot-Drive-In-Denver-Colorado-Posters_i1543447_.htm

He speaks of White spot- those are restraunts I've seen in BC Canada.
He also says neither building is there where he thinks they were anymore... Could he be from Canada?

I've never seen a white spot in USA and they are definitely not out of business in Canada.
White spot is somewhat like Applebees or Dennys.

Earthbound Misfit I

08-27-2008, 12:33 AM

the white spot

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/34/107423632_138bed1ef2.jpg?v=0

a 40s-era diner, home of the best tattooed hair-metal-lovin' grilled-cheese-makin' chef in southern Colorado.

[Sad postscript: the White Spot was torn down in late 2006.]

Source: http://www.flickr.com/photos/egleytaylor/107423632/in/set-72157602174443373/

Earthbound Misfit I

08-27-2008, 12:43 AM

This comes from an article in the Denver Post dated August 2006 about the White-Spot:

"Cultural amnesia"

Still, it's a race against the wrecking ball. Once there were eight White Spot coffee shops in Denver, classic Googie landmarks, but the last one in operation was demolished a few years ago.

Source: http://www.denverpost.com/style/ci_4206840

Julessleuther

08-27-2008, 01:41 AM

I searched for a Mama Elenas in Denver, but could not find one. There is a Mamas Cafe on Colfax, and a Maria Elenas Mexican restaurant in Lakewood, a few blocks away from Colfax. One restaurant review site states that they have been open for more than 23 years. Is there anyone local that could go into Maria Elenas with BKs picture and ask if the owner recognizes him? They might not know his name, but might remember that he came in with a "blond" or "brunette" who was a wife or girlfriend?

Alyzabeth

09-03-2008, 10:59 AM

Is there any audio available of BK that doesn't have a newscaster talking over him? I would love to do speech reversals on him. The only audio I have has the reporters talking over him and that makes it way too hard to hear him.
The whole reverse speech thing may be a longshot but you never know, something positive could come out of it.

believe09

09-03-2008, 11:26 AM

I searched for a Mama Elenas in Denver, but could not find one. There is a Mamas Cafe on Colfax, and a Maria Elenas Mexican restaurant in Lakewood, a few blocks away from Colfax. One restaurant review site states that they have been open for more than 23 years. Is there anyone local that could go into Maria Elenas with BKs picture and ask if the owner recognizes him? They might not know his name, but might remember that he came in with a "blond" or "brunette" who was a wife or girlfriend?

Great thoughts-we actually have been this route...no luck.

believe09

09-03-2008, 11:30 AM

Is there any audio available of BK that doesn't have a newscaster talking over him? I would love to do speech reversals on him. The only audio I have has the reporters talking over him and that makes it way too hard to hear him.
The whole reverse speech thing may be a longshot but you never know, something positive could come out of it.

Welcome to WS-I am not aware of any audio that is in the public domain of just him currently.

To be candid, I find the science reverse speech is based on extremely suspect-we have occasionally had proponents bring their analysis here on high profile cases and while it causes interesting debate, none of it has panned out as far as I can see. JMHO.

gaia227

09-03-2008, 12:28 PM

My fiance used to live on Colfax from about 1998-2005. I will asked him about some of these landmarks and see if he recalls anything. He used to work in a restaraunt on Colfax - Bucco Di Beppo(I think).

phenolred

09-05-2008, 04:17 PM

I searched for a Mama Elenas in Denver, but could not find one. There is a Mamas Cafe on Colfax, and a Maria Elenas Mexican restaurant in Lakewood, a few blocks away from Colfax. One restaurant review site states that they have been open for more than 23 years. Is there anyone local that could go into Maria Elenas with BKs picture and ask if the owner recognizes him? They might not know his name, but might remember that he came in with a "blond" or "brunette" who was a wife or girlfriend?
This is a good idea, any of the older resturaunts in the area, someone could go by with a flyer and ask if anyone recognizes him, or some resturaunts have faxes, we could fax flyers to them????

snowme

09-15-2008, 04:47 PM

Greetings all,

This is my first post at WS - like many others, long-time reader/lurker coming out of the shadows!

When I read Mr. Kyle's memories it stood out to me his spelling of the word headquarters. He spelled it twice "headquartres". Not sure if it means anything at all, of course, but perhaps it leans toward a long love of English literature or something regarding education. Another thing that stood out to me very quickly was his mention of Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips. Not an extremely common franchise and certainly one that doesn't (perhaps has never) appear on every street corner. Has it been verified that there was ever an ATF&C's location in Colorado or more precisely the location of other investigated businesses? In their "heyday" there were less than 1000 total ATF&C's locations - seems like a big number until you consider the size of the country and limited online resources indicating most ATF&C's locations to have been mostly on the east coast, not much further west than the mid-west, and not too far into the south. I've tried but found nothing indicating an ATF&C's in Colorado, ever.

Kudos to WS & all you concerned & dedicated websleuthers,
snowme

phenolred

09-15-2008, 05:32 PM

Greetings all,

This is my first post at WS - like many others, long-time reader/lurker coming out of the shadows!

When I read Mr. Kyle's memories it stood out to me his spelling of the word headquarters. He spelled it twice "headquartres". Not sure if it means anything at all, of course, but perhaps it leans toward a long love of English literature or something regarding education. Another thing that stood out to me very quickly was his mention of Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips. Not an extremely common franchise and certainly one that doesn't (perhaps has never) appear on every street corner. Has it been verified that there was ever an ATF&C's location in Colorado or more precisely the location of other investigated businesses? In their "heyday" there were less than 1000 total ATF&C's locations - seems like a big number until you consider the size of the country and limited online resources indicating most ATF&C's locations to have been mostly on the east coast, not much further west than the mid-west, and not too far into the south. I've tried but found nothing indicating an ATF&C's in Colorado, ever.

Kudos to WS & all you concerned & dedicated websleuthers,
snowme
Welcome to ws,

You have made some very good observations. One thing that I do know is that there was an Arthur Treachers In Indiana. Back in the 70s maybe into the early 80's the one I went to as a kid was in Greenwood Indiana which is just south of Indianapolis.

Tracie5

09-18-2008, 10:26 PM

Another newbie here!

I have been researching Mr Kyle's memories of E Colfax in Denver and here are a few findings -

Tante Louise appears to have started business around 1972. They won many years of Westword's (not Westworld) "best of" awards. One blurb in 2002 mentions that Tante Louise is over 30 years old -

http://www.westword.com/bestof/2002/award/best-french-restaurant-39199/

It appears that if Mr Kyle remembers the beginning of Tante Louise, he had to have been in Denver in the early 70's.

The Normandy was at E Colfax and Madison. Monroe is one street over.

I found mention of Mama Elena's on Westword's Best Of as well as White Spot and Azars Big Boy. Unfortunately, I can only find these best of lists back to 1984, so I do not know if they had them prior to that.

Westword appears to have started publication in 1977 and was bought by the NY Times in 1983. If Mr Kyle remembers this paper, he would have been there in the late 70's forward.

http://www.westword.com/about/index

Only other thing I found is a Jose Luis Martinez worked at Mama Elena's in 1981 and 1982. He has a profile at Classmates.com. I do not have a membership at classmates, but perhaps someone who does could email him for info on others who might have worked there? Or who might have owned the restaurant?

And lastly, Mr Kyle, if you are reading this, here is a link to an interesting blog about 60's and 70's pop culture in Denver. I noticed many memories posted are from the 80's, too. You might read through and see what else you might remember. I also posted a link to your youtube video there to see if anyone remembered you.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/09/1960s-and-1970s-denv.html

christine2448

09-18-2008, 10:30 PM

Another newbie here!

I have been researching Mr Kyle's memories of E Colfax in Denver and here are a few findings -

Tante Louise appears to have started business around 1972. They won many years of Westword's (not Westworld) "best of" awards. One blurb in 2002 mentions that Tante Louise is over 30 years old -

http://www.westword.com/bestof/2002/award/best-french-restaurant-39199/

It appears that if Mr Kyle remembers the beginning of Tante Louise, he had to have been in Denver in the early 70's.

The Normandy was at E Colfax and Madison. Monroe is one street over.

I found mention of Mama Elena's on Westword's Best Of as well as White Spot and Azars Big Boy. Unfortunately, I can only find these best of lists back to 1984, so I do not know if they had them prior to that.

Westword appears to have started publication in 1977 and was bought by the NY Times in 1983. If Mr Kyle remembers this paper, he would have been there in the late 70's forward.

http://www.westword.com/about/index

Only other thing I found is a Jose Luis Martinez worked at Mama Elena's in 1981 and 1982. He has a profile at Classmates.com. I do not have a membership at classmates, but perhaps someone who does could email him for info on others who might have worked there? Or who might have owned the restaurant?

And lastly, Mr Kyle, if you are reading this, here is a link to an interesting blog about 60's and 70's pop culture in Denver. I noticed many memories posted are from the 80's, too. You might read through and see what else you might remember. I also posted a link to your youtube video there to see if anyone remembered you.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/09/1960s-and-1970s-denv.html

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/welcome_to_group_were_nuts.jpg

Want to concentrate on your post more,just ran across.

Just wanted to welcome you!

Fairy1

09-19-2008, 12:03 AM

Snowme and Tracie5!!! Great to have you both here and thank you so much for the insights! We will find out where Benjaman belongs - I just know it!

snowme

09-19-2008, 01:13 AM

I think you're right, Fairy1, and it's just a matter of time, patience, and sleuthing.

snowme

Tracie5

10-03-2008, 11:02 PM

I feel Mr Kyle's memories very firmly place him in Denver in the 70's. His memories are numerous and correct without being exactly perfect (which would demonstrate that the memories could have been read recently).

Since these memories could be dissected and researched and place him in Denver during a specific time period, it might be beneficial to know more details of his memories of Indianapolis. Perhaps we could use these memories to place him in Indianapolis during a specific time period. If the memories turn out to be more recent (80's or 90's), I feel we would be a step closer to his identity.

Any chance of hearing the Indianapolis memories?

websurfer

10-15-2008, 03:53 PM

I think you're right, Fairy1, and it's just a matter of time, patience, and sleuthing.

snowme

I plan to watch DR Phil this case has interested me from when i first learned of it...

websurfer

10-15-2008, 04:00 PM

I feel Mr Kyle's memories very firmly place him in Denver in the 70's. His memories are numerous and correct without being exactly perfect (which would demonstrate that the memories could have been read recently).

Since these memories could be dissected and researched and place him in Denver during a specific time period, it might be beneficial to know more details of his memories of Indianapolis. Perhaps we could use these memories to place him in Indianapolis during a specific time period. If the memories turn out to be more recent (80's or 90's), I feel we would be a step closer to his identity.

Any chance of hearing the Indianapolis memories?

Being a person who seems to have had schooling/education
I figured he had been on a plane and travelled a lot?
that would account for his being in a strange city and being mugged?
I was wondering why nobody from any hotel ever came forward yet?
Surely he was staying someplace ?

If he were homeless, I wondered why a shelter hadn't come forward as well?
Also it had crossed my mind that he may have been a kidnapped person from many years ago?
I even considered a baby?
Somebody could have stolen him as an infant?
And that is why he is so vague?
His memory of course due to amnesia would only be fragments of memory.
He has had several scars mentioned too...
yet no dr. or anybody has come forward?
Maybe Dr PHIL will open this up...to those who have not seen this man yet?
many people never watch tv
never read magazines
And no offense, but some people can't read...
and if he was from a non- english speaking country but retained the english language well
that would be another avenue to follow as well?
I have as i said followed this case since i first heard about it.
I think I may have seen it in Doe?
First then looked up stuff?

websurfer

10-15-2008, 04:06 PM

Greetings all,

This is my first post at WS - like many others, long-time reader/lurker coming out of the shadows!

When I read Mr. Kyle's memories it stood out to me his spelling of the word headquarters. He spelled it twice "headquartres". Not sure if it means anything at all, of course, but perhaps it leans toward a long love of English literature or something regarding education. Another thing that stood out to me very quickly was his mention of Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips. Not an extremely common franchise and certainly one that doesn't (perhaps has never) appear on every street corner. Has it been verified that there was ever an ATF&C's location in Colorado or more precisely the location of other investigated businesses? In their "heyday" there were less than 1000 total ATF&C's locations - seems like a big number until you consider the size of the country and limited online resources indicating most ATF&C's locations to have been mostly on the east coast, not much further west than the mid-west, and not too far into the south. I've tried but found nothing indicating an ATF&C's in Colorado, ever.

Kudos to WS & all you concerned & dedicated websleuthers,
snowme

Arthur Treacher's PO Box 2329 GT, GC, BWI, Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands

He may be from another country....or these islands

websurfer

10-15-2008, 04:14 PM

I looked and saw BENJAMIN KYLE as in relation to the info on WIPIKEDIA
relating to a SCI-FI Show.
Also a police officer from the 1950s
so had he heard or read about anybody with that name real or fictional he may have then used the Burger King as his initials but remembered those names from something he may have read?

PattyCake

10-15-2008, 06:02 PM

Does Benjamin post here at all? It sure would help getting input from him and clarification on some of the posts.

FightTheOstrich

10-15-2008, 06:44 PM

some possible other avenues to explore in relation to the foodservice/restaurant area.

check w/ food distributors in colorado. this is a tight network everyone knows everyone. if he worked in or was building/designing/setting up new restaurants this would be a good place to start.

contact the national restaurant assoc., maybe they can put out his picture.

most food distribution companies (Sysco, GFS, US Foods etc...)have food shows in the fall, could his picture be put out???

FightTheOstrich

10-15-2008, 06:50 PM

It's possible w/ his knowledge (electrical, i think) that he setup the kitchens, he may have maintained the drinking systems (pop, coffee etc...). Definitely, look into the restaurant equipment end. It's possible he delivered for a distribution company. They get excellent benefits (good teeth), it is quite the work out (good physical shape), and pays fairly well. He could have also been a sales rep, or a vendor rep. Try to tap into Colorado restaurant community. Everyone knows everyone, someone will remember...

Gray

10-16-2008, 12:09 AM

I'm interested in this but I surely won't be home to watch Dr. Phil and I don't have a fast enough internet connection to be able to watch the show online.

Could someone here be kind enough to relay interesting points or highlights here?

TIA!

TripleA

10-16-2008, 10:38 AM

Just a little side note:

Before this week, I have never heard of BK or his situation. It could be that many other people haven't as well. Hopefully this national broadcast will reach more people who are not familiar as well. The answers for BK may be just around the corner.

MCDRAW

10-16-2008, 05:21 PM

I haven't cross checked all the eliminated matches, but his pictures on doe seem to be an almost perfect match to Benjamin Kyle Professor Emeritus in Chemical Engineering at Kansas State University. His phone number there is 785-532-5584. His e-mail is bgkyle@ksu.edu and his web site is listed as http://www.che.sku.edu/~bgkyle/

Did anyone ever send an email to this professor?

SeriouslySearching

10-16-2008, 06:10 PM

Not to my knowledge.

ArizonaGiGi

10-16-2008, 07:32 PM

mcdraw I can't get the link to work with the photo of the professor.
Can't find a photo of the professor thru google either. You a much better sleuther than I am ! Can you re-post the link?

My husband is from Shreveport Louisiana and he remembers Arthur Treacher fish and chips from 35 years ago. They no longer have any in Shreveport but Benjaman Kyle doesn't have the Louisiana accent. Not even a trace of it.
Also we lived in the Cayman Islands at one time and Benjaman Kyle does not have a trace of the accent from there so I don't believe he is from the Cayman Islands. They have some very strong accents in the Caymans. Hard to understand their English.

From watching him on the show, when he said that he went to Georgia to see the ocean, I got the feeling that he was dealing with something very traumatic at the time he was beaten and left for dead. Perhaps he had a wife or child die and that's why no one has missed him? It seems like there would be other family members that would report him missing but perhaps he got divorced and became homeless afterwards and no one reported him missing because they suspect he is on the streets somewhere. He could have become depressed from a divorce or death in the family and ended up homeless as a result.

He is an educated man and seems like he would have had a white collar type job so he is not the stereotypical homeless person but not all of the homeless are alcoholics and drug addicts.

Ramblin'........ sorry

snowme

10-17-2008, 12:10 AM

Thanks for the welcome Websurfer!

passionategray: I actually think there is more info here within this forum than was brought up on the show. One thing that did stand out on the show to me as being 'made more of' than the feel I got for it here at the forum was that Benjaman feels he was born in Indianapolis, In. I know Indiana was mentioned here but I had not take away the feeling that he felt strongly that's where he was born. (I probably just didn't read a post attentively tho.)

His nurse friend, I forget her name but she's posted here a few times, was there as well and she spoke briefly.

Other than that and just being glad to see him on tv, speaking and moving - a live person - I watched the whole show waiting for some depth... I was disappointed in that aspect.

PamBeesly

10-17-2008, 12:26 AM

Hi everyone. I've been lurking here for a while. This is my first post, but I have been fascinated with this case for about a month or so now, particularly since I have lived in the Indianapolis area for my entire life.

Something just FEELS familiar about this guy. I don't know his name, but he just *feels* like someone I've seen before. I am a great deal younger than Mr. Kyle, but I attended Catholic school on the North side of Indianapolis. It's possible I may have seen him at church or at one of the grade schools I played sports at. He is about my dad's age, or a little older. I don't know how much time has elapsed since he was last in Indianapolis (of course it couldn't have been after 2003), but something about this guy just seems...I dunno...like he's someone from my town. His voice and accent seem native to this region, too.

I would like to help in any way possible. From what was said on Dr. Phil, he seems to *know* in some way that he attended Catholic school here in Indy. I do know a great deal about the Catholic community here, so if I can be of any service, I'd love to answer questions or anything.

Fairy1

10-17-2008, 12:29 AM

I don't remember ever reading Benjaman was certain he was in Georgia specifically to go to the sea. He said that without hesitation and with conviction. I really believe this is important, though I can't say exactly why I feel that way.....yet!

believe09

10-17-2008, 07:32 AM

Hi everyone. I've been lurking here for a while. This is my first post, but I have been fascinated with this case for about a month or so now, particularly since I have lived in the Indianapolis area for my entire life.

Something just FEELS familiar about this guy. I don't know his name, but he just *feels* like someone I've seen before. I am a great deal younger than Mr. Kyle, but I attended Catholic school on the North side of Indianapolis. It's possible I may have seen him at church or at one of the grade schools I played sports at. He is about my dad's age, or a little older. I don't know how much time has elapsed since he was last in Indianapolis (of course it couldn't have been after 2003), but something about this guy just seems...I dunno...like he's someone from my town. His voice and accent seem native to this region, too.

I would like to help in any way possible. From what was said on Dr. Phil, he seems to *know* in some way that he attended Catholic school here in Indy. I do know a great deal about the Catholic community here, so if I can be of any service, I'd love to answer questions or anything.

Welcome!!!

Please please send BK's information to your Dad and friends his age to see if it sparks anything-it cannot hurt and it may help immensely! We have flyers and letters throughout the threads that we can get to you if you want to do it via email...anything would be so appreciated!!!!

Gray

10-17-2008, 10:00 AM

Thanks for the welcome Websurfer!

passionategray: I actually think there is more info here within this forum than was brought up on the show. One thing that did stand out on the show to me as being 'made more of' than the feel I got for it here at the forum was that Benjaman feels he was born in Indianapolis, In. I know Indiana was mentioned here but I had not take away the feeling that he felt strongly that's where he was born. (I probably just didn't read a post attentively tho.)

His nurse friend, I forget her name but she's posted here a few times, was there as well and she spoke briefly.

Other than that and just being glad to see him on tv, speaking and moving - a live person - I watched the whole show waiting for some depth... I was disappointed in that aspect.

That is interesting.

I know it's a stretch, but can we start verifying places of birth for people that are missing? I don't know if there's a place where birth records can be accessed online...but it's worth it to know if a few people that are on the list that haven't been ruled out yet have been born in Indiana.

(I'm new at sleuthing so if my idea is too dumb or impossible, sorry! :) )

cacnotcam

10-17-2008, 10:09 AM

I haven't cross checked all the eliminated matches, but his pictures on doe seem to be an almost perfect match to Benjamin Kyle Professor Emeritus in Chemical Engineering at Kansas State University. His phone number there is 785-532-5584. His e-mail is bgkyle@ksu.edu and his web site is listed as http://www.che.sku.edu/~bgkyle/

Clarify....If this man is teaching at this College now, how can it be the same guy? Or am I horribly confused! LOL!!

angelwngs

10-17-2008, 12:40 PM

If BK was injured on a loading dock and then went missing and was later declaired dead, closest of kin would have most likely inherited any settlement from his injuries. The question is would they want him identified now???

Could we search legal inheritance records of missing in his age bracket legally declared dead?

MissieMt

10-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Hi everyone. I've been lurking here for a while. This is my first post, but I have been fascinated with this case for about a month or so now, particularly since I have lived in the Indianapolis area for my entire life.

Something just FEELS familiar about this guy. I don't know his name, but he just *feels* like someone I've seen before. I am a great deal younger than Mr. Kyle, but I attended Catholic school on the North side of Indianapolis. It's possible I may have seen him at church or at one of the grade schools I played sports at. He is about my dad's age, or a little older. I don't know how much time has elapsed since he was last in Indianapolis (of course it couldn't have been after 2003), but something about this guy just seems...I dunno...like he's someone from my town. His voice and accent seem native to this region, too.

I would like to help in any way possible. From what was said on Dr. Phil, he seems to *know* in some way that he attended Catholic school here in Indy. I do know a great deal about the Catholic community here, so if I can be of any service, I'd love to answer questions or anything.

Are you active in the Catholic Community? I think maybe if we could get flyers to the catholic churches there, especially the ones with schools that it could help a lot.

snowme

10-17-2008, 07:59 PM

You're right Fairy, I remember him saying it now and remember thinking "wow, he's definite on that." Glad you mentioned it.

I don't remember ever reading Benjaman was certain he was in Georgia specifically to go to the sea. He said that without hesitation and with conviction. I really believe this is important, though I can't say exactly why I feel that way.....yet!

snowme

10-17-2008, 08:03 PM

Hi PamBeesly, welcome! :) Exciting to have someone in that area who can be "feet on the ground" so to speak. Glad you're here!

snowme

10-17-2008, 08:09 PM

I'm not sure how easy/hard it would be but it's a smart focus, I agree.

That is interesting.

I know it's a stretch, but can we start verifying places of birth for people that are missing? I don't know if there's a place where birth records can be accessed online...but it's worth it to know if a few people that are on the list that haven't been ruled out yet have been born in Indiana.

(I'm new at sleuthing so if my idea is too dumb or impossible, sorry! :) )

snowme

10-17-2008, 09:30 PM

This one confused me too. I don't recall reading that the professor was missing. My understanding is that he happens to have the same name - or is there more to it than that? It's been a while since I looked at the professor info... could it be that this man was our Benjaman's professor and that is why he was drawn to the name??

cacnotcam, here's the side by side comparison pics for our Benjaman and the professor: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2229531&postcount=35 In case you had not seen it.

Clarify....If this man is teaching at this College now, how can it be the same guy? Or am I horribly confused! LOL!!

Cubby

10-17-2008, 10:55 PM

Another newbie here!

I have been researching Mr Kyle's memories of E Colfax in Denver and here are a few findings -

Tante Louise appears to have started business around 1972. They won many years of Westword's (not Westworld) "best of" awards. One blurb in 2002 mentions that Tante Louise is over 30 years old -

http://www.westword.com/bestof/2002/award/best-french-restaurant-39199/

It appears that if Mr Kyle remembers the beginning of Tante Louise, he had to have been in Denver in the early 70's.

The Normandy was at E Colfax and Madison. Monroe is one street over.

I found mention of Mama Elena's on Westword's Best Of as well as White Spot and Azars Big Boy. Unfortunately, I can only find these best of lists back to 1984, so I do not know if they had them prior to that.

Westword appears to have started publication in 1977 and was bought by the NY Times in 1983. If Mr Kyle remembers this paper, he would have been there in the late 70's forward.

http://www.westword.com/about/index

Only other thing I found is a Jose Luis Martinez worked at Mama Elena's in 1981 and 1982. He has a profile at Classmates.com. I do not have a membership at classmates, but perhaps someone who does could email him for info on others who might have worked there? Or who might have owned the restaurant?

And lastly, Mr Kyle, if you are reading this, here is a link to an interesting blog about 60's and 70's pop culture in Denver. I noticed many memories posted are from the 80's, too. You might read through and see what else you might remember. I also posted a link to your youtube video there to see if anyone remembered you.

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/09/09/1960s-and-1970s-denv.html

Quoting this post as an example of some of BK's colorado memories. I have some questions.

1)Has anyone posted any fliers about BK in this area? Actually walked in to any of these establishments and inquired how to contact any 'old timers'- people who were around in that era and are still around or a way to contact them? Do we have any members local to that area? Who might be willing to do this if it has not already been done?

2)Has BK had the opportunity to travel to this area himself? Perhaps with the PI Dr. Phils show had working on the case, or another organization who might have the means to finance a week trip for Mr. Kyle, along with someone who is able to give him some real direction in searching. Not his nurse.... she is not a professional investigator... someone who has done this before?

3)Has ANY news media in the denver area picked up this story? with pictures? IT would seem to make sense having BK's story ran in this area would produce some leads... hopefully LOTS of people in CO were watching the DR. Phil show, but with so little mentioned of those memories on the show, not sure anyone from CO would have picked it out to search or inquire...

ETA: It seems to me that with the specialist identifying BK's speech patterns, the show seemed to dismiss any of these very specific Colorado memories based on her eliminating colorado as a possible area of where he could be from. I dont' doubt her expertise, but she is one person and as a science it is not 100% accurate.

4)Does anyone have any LE contacts in Denver? Anyone they can contact and pass along a flyer... someone in LE who might say, oh... I know so and so who owned/managed such and such a restaraunt back then... and could get BK's info into the hands/circle of those who might have known him?

I am not in Colorado, or I would be happy to do this.... just seems to make sense to me... and not sure if it has been done...

I do not believe Mr. Kyle is listed as missing. It's my opinion, that he may have took some time off to visit the ocean(reflect in some way).... and those who have wondered about him either wrote off he decided to stay and rebuild a life for himself in that area, -or- someone has tried to file a missing persons report and ran into brick walls with LE when attempting to get it filed. Would not be the first time we have seen an occurence of difficulty or impossible to file a missing persons report.

phenolred

10-18-2008, 03:43 PM

Welcome to ws,

You have made some very good observations. One thing that I do know is that there was an Arthur Treachers In Indiana. Back in the 70s maybe into the early 80's the one I went to as a kid was in Greenwood Indiana which is just south of Indianapolis.

I just mentioned the Arthur Treachers to my mom and she indicated there was one on the northside of Indianapolis and someone was killed there, in a robbery or something. I also have lived and worked in the Indianapolis Area my entire life I need to print some of the fliers and hang them up around town....

badhorsie

10-18-2008, 05:04 PM

Is there any audio available of BK that doesn't have a newscaster talking over him? I would love to do speech reversals on him. The only audio I have has the reporters talking over him and that makes it way too hard to hear him.
The whole reverse speech thing may be a longshot but you never know, something positive could come out of it.

Sorry to be impatient but is anyone going to do this? :)

SeriouslySearching

10-18-2008, 10:35 PM

This one confused me too. I don't recall reading that the professor was missing. My understanding is that he happens to have the same name - or is there more to it than that? It's been a while since I looked at the professor info... could it be that this man was our Benjaman's professor and that is why he was drawn to the name??

cacnotcam, here's the side by side comparison pics for our Benjaman and the professor: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2229531&postcount=35 In case you had not seen it.No one ever thought it was BK! The name is what seemed interesting and thought maybe BK at one time was a student or perhaps even a relative of the professor.

FightTheOstrich

10-19-2008, 01:48 PM

under the physical description thread, he states that one of his scars could have come from falling off a loading dock. combine that with his memories of restaurants, i still think he may have been a driver for a food distribution company.

SeriouslySearching

10-19-2008, 01:54 PM

I just mentioned the Arthur Treachers to my mom and she indicated there was one on the northside of Indianapolis and someone was killed there, in a robbery or something. I also have lived and worked in the Indianapolis Area my entire life I need to print some of the fliers and hang them up around town....We used to have Arthur Treachers in OK, too.

snowme

10-20-2008, 02:39 AM

Thanks for clearing that up for me SS. :)

No one ever thought it was BK! The name is what seemed interesting and thought maybe BK at one time was a student or perhaps even a relative of the professor.

Cubby

10-21-2008, 11:25 AM

Did anyone follow up with the professor?

I remember Arthur Treachers fish and chips from the Chicagoland area too.

Thinking along the lines of tying down a location... I am big Dick Biondi fan.. he is a DJ in his early 70's who goes back to being the second DJ in the states to play the Beatles. While I am not of his generation, I enjoy his music and oldies and his history is easily traceable. Does Mr. Kyle have any preferences in music? any memories of a local DJ? That might be a clue to trace a specific location.

snowme

10-22-2008, 03:10 AM

Websurfer's post tickled my curiosity so I went looking. I did find a Texas Peace Officer's Memorial page with a Benjamin Kyle Smith (DPS) listed, killed in the line of duty 6/23/58, I believe. http://www.pomf.org/memorial/names2007s_t.html

I also came upon this: http://www.mysteryfile.com/blog/index.php?s=homas A review of the book The Scarab Murder Case A Philo Vance Story. I believe it was also made into a film back in the 30's. The murder victim in this story is named "Benjamin H. Kyle". Somewhere in the review I also spotted that "Kyle's nephew" is mentioned but didn't see what his first name may have been. Has anyone brought up this book before and I'm wondering if our Benjaman is a murder mystery fan?

I looked and saw BENJAMIN KYLE as in relation to the info on WIPIKEDIA
relating to a SCI-FI Show.
Also a police officer from the 1950s
so had he heard or read about anybody with that name real or fictional he may have then used the Burger King as his initials but remembered those names from something he may have read?

snowme

11-10-2008, 01:46 AM

I just sent out a couple emails (Denver Chamber of Commerce and Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation) with regard to a time frame on the restaurants mentioned in Benjaman's memories.

I'm hoping it will give us a more definite area of time that he could have been in Denver. I'll post back with anything I get as a result.

believe09

11-10-2008, 07:29 AM

Awesome!!!!

I just sent out a couple emails (Denver Chamber of Commerce and Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation) with regard to a time frame on the restaurants mentioned in Benjaman's memories.

I'm hoping it will give us a more definite area of time that he could have been in Denver. I'll post back with anything I get as a result.

dreamweaver

11-10-2008, 11:21 PM

Hi everyone. I've been lurking here for a while. This is my first post, but I have been fascinated with this case for about a month or so now, particularly since I have lived in the Indianapolis area for my entire life.

Something just FEELS familiar about this guy. I don't know his name, but he just *feels* like someone I've seen before. I am a great deal younger than Mr. Kyle, but I attended Catholic school on the North side of Indianapolis. It's possible I may have seen him at church or at one of the grade schools I played sports at. He is about my dad's age, or a little older. I don't know how much time has elapsed since he was last in Indianapolis (of course it couldn't have been after 2003), but something about this guy just seems...I dunno...like he's someone from my town. His voice and accent seem native to this region, too.

I would like to help in any way possible. From what was said on Dr. Phil, he seems to *know* in some way that he attended Catholic school here in Indy. I do know a great deal about the Catholic community here, so if I can be of any service, I'd love to answer questions or anything.

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I just read this post and wondering if there was anything new to report.
Did your parents think they might know BK?
Church members?

snowme

11-11-2008, 06:29 PM

Sorry to quote myself (I'm not sure how I got this info on two different threads in here...)

Just to keep it current - I did hear back for the Chamber of Commerce and a woman there told me that she could find nothing regarding the Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips (date open/date close) but she did direct me to the Colorado Secretary of State. I sent off another email to their businesses division this afternoon.

I did include all of Benjaman's restaurant memories to both the Chamber and the SOS hoping it might encourage any of the information to be touched on in a reply... but to keep them from feeling inundated I narrowed my questioning down to the one restaurant that captured my attention when I first read his memories.

As always, I'll post whatever I hear in reply.

I just sent out a couple emails (Denver Chamber of Commerce and Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation) with regard to a time frame on the restaurants mentioned in Benjaman's memories.

I'm hoping it will give us a more definite area of time that he could have been in Denver. I'll post back with anything I get as a result.

Julessleuther

11-11-2008, 09:39 PM

I was in Denver over the weekend visiting family, we did lots of sightseeing, and I could not stop thinking about BK. I wandered if Believe could ask him if he has any other memories of Denver, places that he may have forgotten, but if asked, may remember. For example-- did he ever go up to Red Rocks to see a concert? Did he ever go to Pikes Peak or Rocky Mountain National Park? Did he ever go skiing at any of the resorts? Each new memory he has may be a new piece of the puzzle. If he saw a concert at Red Rocks, we may be able to place when he was there. I so want him to have his life back--perhaps all he has left is an elderly parent who does not have access to the internet and does not watch Dr. Phil....

snowme

11-14-2008, 02:59 AM

Julessleuther, those are great things to ask about!!

Not sure if it was here or another thread but I liked dreamweaver's thought too... regarding if Benjaman has any memories or recollections of holidays or family gatherings.

chaddylex

11-20-2008, 06:08 PM

I work in PA, but my corporate headquarters is in Indianapolis. I had three guys from my corporate office at my office today, and I showed them BK's picture to see if they knew who he was. I explained to them about his amnesia - the whole story. The one guy that I showed attened Catholic School North of Indy, in a town called Nobelsville he said if BK thinks some of his roots are are the Indy area that someone should distribute flyers to some catholic church liked someone else mentioned in this thread. I just thought I would share that with you all.

chaddylex:)

snowme

11-21-2008, 02:52 AM

I work in PA, but my corporate headquarters is in Indianapolis. I had three guys from my corporate office at my office today, and I showed them BK's picture to see if they knew who he was. I explained to them about his amnesia - the whole story. The one guy that I showed attened Catholic School North of Indy, in a town called Nobelsville he said if BK thinks some of his roots are are the Indy area that someone should distribute flyers to some catholic church liked someone else mentioned in this thread. I just thought I would share that with you all.

chaddylex:)

I thought for sure we had someone in that area going to do just that. Anyone know if this got done?

carolwood

11-21-2008, 11:47 PM

I can get Indianapolis emails out to the parish churches, I can get started finding these tomorrow, and have some ready to go out on monday. Just an update also, Denvers emails are almost all out, finish these on monday. There will be 523 that went out. I spaced them out, hoping to get longer coverage, people talking about it, and sending each other emails, hoping to get this in some of the bulletins at the churches too. Boy wouldn't this be great!

Salem

11-22-2008, 01:53 AM

Awesome job carolwood! You guys have done so much work here, I am so impressed!

Sending emails to the parish churches is a great idea, as well as sending the emails to the Chamber in Denver. WOW!

Another thought for anyone local to Denver - you can probably research property records on the French restraurant at the assessor's or tax collector's office. In CA we go to the assessor's office, but I'm not sure how it works for CO.

Good, good work!

Salem

snowme

11-25-2008, 02:36 AM

I can get Indianapolis emails out to the parish churches, I can get started finding these tomorrow, and have some ready to go out on monday. Just an update also, Denvers emails are almost all out, finish these on monday. There will be 523 that went out. I spaced them out, hoping to get longer coverage, people talking about it, and sending each other emails, hoping to get this in some of the bulletins at the churches too. Boy wouldn't this be great!

:clap::blowkiss: carolwood, you are wonderful! Great thinking on the spacing of the emails, too. Did you begin the Indy emails? I'm either recalling inaccurately that someone had said they'd do that or maybe that person hasn't been on for a while.

Anyway... great work!!

kitbits

11-26-2008, 05:59 AM

I lived in Arvada/Denver, Colo from 1972 - 2001...I worked at an Arthur Treachers in Arvada back in High School for a very short period. It's no longer there, though...but they definitely existed in the Denver area!

Anyway, I'm still perusing this thread & skipped ahead...any luck with the Colo. universities? Let me know...my nephew is a DU Law School alumnus & might be able to do a favour for his old auntie ;) Also, I still have friends in the area :)

kitbits

11-26-2008, 06:03 AM

also...i lived in Capitol Hill from the early 80s until i emigrated in 2001 & know a heckuva lot about good ol' Colfax Ave...that White Spot Restaurant changed hands/names a number of years ago, but I'm blanking. I can probably ask some friends who are still living in the neighbourhood...just let me know! I'm remembering a lot of the restaurants & fast food joints you all are mentioning.

AND i have a classmates account, if anyone needs me to search there...... :D

Cubby

11-26-2008, 01:34 PM

also...i lived in Capitol Hill from the early 80s until i emigrated in 2001 & know a heckuva lot about good ol' Colfax Ave...that White Spot Restaurant changed hands/names a number of years ago, but I'm blanking. I can probably ask some friends who are still living in the neighbourhood...just let me know! I'm remembering a lot of the restaurants & fast food joints you all are mentioning.

AND i have a classmates account, if anyone needs me to search there...... :D

My bold. Awesome! So glad you posted. Can you send the flyers ( posted here in the flyers link) to your friends who are still in the neighborhood? Maybe they can print and post some on Colfax near the places BK remembers. Perhaps some of the old timers who have been in the area for a few decades will remember him. My apologies for not being able to link you directly to the flyer thread here in BK's forum. I am having computer problems and can not copy links. Maybe someone else can do that for me, pretty please?

thank you sooo much!

dreamweaver

11-26-2008, 02:15 PM

I lived in Arvada/Denver, Colo from 1972 - 2001...I worked at an Arthur Treachers in Arvada back in High School for a very short period. It's no longer there, though...but they definitely existed in the Denver area!

Anyway, I'm still perusing this thread & skipped ahead...any luck with the Colo. universities? Let me know...my nephew is a DU Law School alumnus & might be able to do a favour for his old auntie ;) Also, I still have friends in the area :)

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Nothing on CO universites at this time. Ask everyone you know. Email the basic information on BK to all your friends. Print off the flyer and post it around. Very soon, date unknown, CO lawmen are doing something to help for BK.

dreamweaver

11-26-2008, 02:19 PM

to kitbits:
http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

dreamweaver

11-26-2008, 02:21 PM

to kitbits;
FLYER INFO:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/Blue7/BenjamanKyle/24143edb.jpg

peaceinme

11-26-2008, 03:49 PM

Has anyone from the Jeffco Action Center been contacted? I have looked through many of the threads here and did a search on "Jeffco" and didn't see anything. However, I easily could have missed it with all these pages!

They are located off of Colfax in Lakewood, CO. Here is their mission statement from their website - www.jeffcoac.org: "Jeffco Action Center’s mission is to provide an immediate response to basic human needs and to promote pathways to self-sufficiency. We do this through our continuum of emergency services to families and individuals of Jefferson County."

They have a quarterly newsletter. There are many volunteers and many donors. I'm guessing that some are long-time residents of the area. Maybe they would post some flyers at the Center and their events and consider including a picture and info. in their newsletter.

kitbits

11-27-2008, 09:06 AM

Cubby, dreamweaver & peaceinme--

many thanks for the info & links--i will see what i can do over the next couple of days :)

also, that centre in Lakewood, that's located on West Colfax, which is waaaaaay on the other side of the Denver area & another county alltogether. I lived near east Colfax, which is where all these businesses are & is in Denver County/central Denver. but i suppose it couldn't hurt to be in contact with multiple agencies!

i'll let you all know how i get on :)

dreamweaver

11-27-2008, 11:18 AM

also...i lived in Capitol Hill from the early 80s until i emigrated in 2001 & know a heckuva lot about good ol' Colfax Ave...that White Spot Restaurant changed hands/names a number of years ago, but I'm blanking. I can probably ask some friends who are still living in the neighbourhood...just let me know! I'm remembering a lot of the restaurants & fast food joints you all are mentioning.

AND i have a classmates account, if anyone needs me to search there...... :D\----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
to kitbits: I wanted to let you know how much I/we appreciate you and your willingness to work on behalf of BK. THANKS.

And after saying that, let me ask an odd question of you.
Jefferson County former sheriff John P Stone:
Do you think there is a resemblance between John P Stone and BK?
Do you know if there was any talk of John P Stone's family members
missing or unaccounted for?

dreamweaver

11-27-2008, 11:21 AM

also...i lived in Capitol Hill from the early 80s until i emigrated in 2001 & know a heckuva lot about good ol' Colfax Ave...that White Spot Restaurant changed hands/names a number of years ago, but I'm blanking. I can probably ask some friends who are still living in the neighbourhood...just let me know! I'm remembering a lot of the restaurants & fast food joints you all are mentioning.

AND i have a classmates account, if anyone needs me to search there...... :D
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kitbits: oh, and one more thing.
Since you have a classmates account, could you check out email name:
towpartsgirl ?
She might have posted from CA.
That name came up in Dr Phil forum and she posted at least twice,but I could not find anything on search for that name, except at classmates.com. I am on classmates, but do not have an account there.

Thanks.

carolwood

11-27-2008, 08:48 PM

Hope everyones Thanksgiving was as good as mine. Snowme, yes I have started on the Indy emails, sent out about 150 this week. I will try to finish these up next week. I hope everyone checks out the fellow on "Needs Investing" link that I put up last nite. Sharel Vance Haresym, is the name. Let me know what you all think of this one.

I know I have asked this before, maybe on another thread, but is there anyway we can find out if the FBI is getting any leads in BK's case?

kitbits

11-28-2008, 09:15 AM

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to kitbits: I wanted to let you know how much I/we appreciate you and your willingness to work on behalf of BK. THANKS.

And after saying that, let me ask an odd question of you.
Jefferson County former sheriff John P Stone:
Do you think there is a resemblance between John P Stone and BK?
Do you know if there was any talk of John P Stone's family members
missing or unaccounted for?

hi dreamweaver--glad to help & hope i can make some headway! i've emailed one friend, so i'll wait to see what he says & take it from there.

i'm looking at the jeffco sheriff's website & they list former sheriff's...but i'm not seeing that name...do you have a link or a pic?

kitbits

11-28-2008, 09:17 AM

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kitbits: oh, and one more thing.
Since you have a classmates account, could you check out email name:
towpartsgirl ?
She might have posted from CA.
That name came up in Dr Phil forum and she posted at least twice,but I could not find anything on search for that name, except at classmates.com. I am on classmates, but do not have an account there.

Thanks.

my search came up nil :( i read that forum...how frustrating that she hasn't checked back for replies or contacted websleuths or anything!!! even if just to say, 'no, not the same guy.'

kitbits

11-28-2008, 09:19 AM

Hope everyones Thanksgiving was as good as mine. Snowme, yes I have started on the Indy emails, sent out about 150 this week. I will try to finish these up next week. I hope everyone checks out the fellow on "Needs Investing" link that I put up last nite. Sharel Vance Haresym, is the name. Let me know what you all think of this one.

I know I have asked this before, maybe on another thread, but is there anyway we can find out if the FBI is getting any leads in BK's case?

i haven't had one since my army family friends were stationed over here :( i always have to work :P pity, coz hubby LOVES all the food! (he's english)

re. FBI, good question...i wish i knew.

dreamweaver

11-29-2008, 12:26 AM

Hope everyones Thanksgiving was as good as mine. Snowme, yes I have started on the Indy emails, sent out about 150 this week. I will try to finish these up next week. I hope everyone checks out the fellow on "Needs Investing" link that I put up last nite. Sharel Vance Haresym, is the name. Let me know what you all think of this one.

I know I have asked this before, maybe on another thread, but is there anyway we can find out if the FBI is getting any leads in BK's case?
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I say no to Sharel V Haresym.
I would like to know if FBI is getting any leads also. If so, we could put our energy elsewhere.

dreamweaver

11-29-2008, 12:32 AM

hi dreamweaver--glad to help & hope i can make some headway! i've emailed one friend, so i'll wait to see what he says & take it from there.

i'm looking at the jeffco sheriff's website & they list former sheriff's...but i'm not seeing that name...do you have a link or a pic?
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Jeffco website does not go through 1999.
Here is one article about Sheriff John P Stone and Columbine.

http://web.dailycamera.com/shooting/28acolu.html
Picture of Sheriff John P Stone:
http://images.ibsys.com/2002/0116/1192077.jpg

dreamweaver

11-29-2008, 12:36 AM

my search came up nil :( i read that forum...how frustrating that she hasn't checked back for replies or contacted websleuths or anything!!! even if just to say, 'no, not the same guy.'
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This is what came up for me when I put in search: towpartsgirl..

http://www.reunion.com/towpartsgirl

Very frustrating.

Tracie5

11-30-2008, 04:27 AM

I found a towpartsgirl on You Tube. I emailed her and asked if she was the same person who posted on the Dr Phil message board and to come here to WS if she was that person.

Now I just have to wait and see if she answers or joins here.

dreamweaver

11-30-2008, 05:40 AM

I found a towpartsgirl on You Tube. I emailed her and asked if she was the same person who posted on the Dr Phil message board and to come here to WS if she was that person.

Now I just have to wait and see if she answers or joins here.
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Tracie5: Good going. Hope she is the one!

Tracie5

12-01-2008, 03:55 PM

towpartsgirl answered me and she is the same one! She has tried to register, but was rejected. I told her about the email rules and how to contact admin to get accepted. I also told her to contact me if she still had trouble and I would try to help her get registered.

She is still convinced that her friend is a relative. Her friend is adopted, but he knew his birth parents. The birth parents are deceased. She also said that she felt the regression pics on Dr Phil were not accurate.

Now we wait again......

dreamweaver

12-02-2008, 01:04 AM

towpartsgirl answered me and she is the same one! She has tried to register, but was rejected. I told her about the email rules and how to contact admin to get accepted. I also told her to contact me if she still had trouble and I would try to help her get registered.

She is still convinced that her friend is a relative. Her friend is adopted, but he knew his birth parents. The birth parents are deceased. She also said that she felt the regression pics on Dr Phil were not accurate.

Now we wait again......
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WOW.WOW.WOW. Good job! Tracie5! WOW.WOW.WOW.
So great you reached her! She tried to register here at WebSleuths? Does she only have a yahoo account?
Glad you are helping her get on board.
I am so excited. This made my day.

kitbits

12-03-2008, 06:39 AM

Tracie...wow!!! good going! :D *fingers crossed*

dreamweaver...ah ok. looked at the pic Stone...hmmmm...sort of resembles him, yes.

oh, my friend said he would hang up flyers, so i'll check back with him.

Also, he gave me the Univ. of Colo alumni contact email...I was wondering if I could model the email to them from your email to the DU alumni association?

I will email the flyer to people and ask them to pass it on.

and one more thing...I AM A MORON! i didn't work a arthur treachers...why did i think that??? i worked at some other cheesy fish & chip place. my old brain is seriously shorting out!!! :bang:

however, arthur treachers are/were in the denver area :crazy:

snowme

12-04-2008, 01:41 AM

towpartsgirl answered me and she is the same one! She has tried to register, but was rejected. I told her about the email rules and how to contact admin to get accepted. I also told her to contact me if she still had trouble and I would try to help her get registered.

She is still convinced that her friend is a relative. Her friend is adopted, but he knew his birth parents. The birth parents are deceased. She also said that she felt the regression pics on Dr Phil were not accurate.

Now we wait again......

Great work Tracie! I know she thinks her friend is a relative but I'd love to know if her friend feels this way as well! I hope she's discussed it with the friend! :-)

snowme

12-04-2008, 01:44 AM

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and one more thing...I AM A MORON! i didn't work a arthur treachers...why did i think that??? i worked at some other cheesy fish & chip place. my old brain is seriously shorting out!!! :bang:

however, arthur treachers are/were in the denver area :crazy:

lol, let's chalk it up to the recall of smelly fishy grease clouding the memory! :crazy:

Tracie5

12-04-2008, 04:21 AM

Great work Tracie! I know she thinks her friend is a relative but I'd love to know if her friend feels this way as well! I hope she's discussed it with the friend! :-)

I don't know how he feels but she said he was home recovering from eye surgery when she saw the show and called him. During the phone conversation, other friends of his showed up at his home and she said they were also talking about how much BK looked like him.

I really want her to show up here. I hope her friend does not feel it is an invasion of his privacy. I haven't heard anything else from her.

kitbits

12-04-2008, 07:30 AM

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lol, let's chalk it up to the recall of smelly fishy grease clouding the memory! :crazy:

haha snowme, quite right ;)

I don't know how he feels but she said he was home recovering from eye surgery when she saw the show and called him. During the phone conversation, other friends of his showed up at his home and she said they were also talking about how much BK looked like him.

I really want her to show up here. I hope her friend does not feel it is an invasion of his privacy. I haven't heard anything else from her.

Tracie5--let's hope her friend doesn't feel that way either & I really do hope she shows up, too...the suspense is driving me mad!

snowme

12-05-2008, 05:43 AM

Wow, so it's not just one person who felt there was something similar. I hope she shows up too!

Lady Sleuth

12-05-2008, 08:30 AM

Has Mr. Kyle undergone any kind of hypnosis to try and unlock his repressed memories?
I would think that might be helpful to him. If they felt he might have repressed memories due to some kind of traumatic experience, then they could possible regress him to earlier in his life. Just wondering out loud.

Lady Sleuth

dreamweaver

12-05-2008, 03:17 PM

haha snowme, quite right ;)

Tracie5--let's hope her friend doesn't feel that way either & I really do hope she shows up, too...the suspense is driving me mad!

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Me too. The suspense is too much. Have you heard anything at all? Does she need help joining? I know you said you would help her.

Gee, you know, we get one little clue and we are just so excited and happy.
Nice,isn't it.?

Tracie5

12-05-2008, 03:52 PM

I haven't heard anything from her. I just sent her another PM on youtube and gave her my direct email address.

I noticed she had logged on to youtube 4 hours ago so she must have read my last message. I sure hope she doesn't feel like I am stalking her! I think we will have to let it go if I don't hear anything else - unless someone else wants to try. Let's give it a little more time.

If she just knew how anxious we all are to talk to her! :praying:

dreamweaver

12-10-2008, 09:43 AM

I haven't heard anything from her. I just sent her another PM on youtube and gave her my direct email address.

I noticed she had logged on to youtube 4 hours ago so she must have read my last message. I sure hope she doesn't feel like I am stalking her! I think we will have to let it go if I don't hear anything else - unless someone else wants to try. Let's give it a little more time.

If she just knew how anxious we all are to talk to her! :praying:
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Tracie5: Well, no word. Maybe she has a very good reason to not join and help out.
Moving on.

dreamweaver

12-10-2008, 10:07 AM

I watched and listened to Dr Phil show on YouTube again.
Things I noticed this time around:
My apologies: ALL CAPS are mine.

BK remembers that after found, people said he was BEHIND the dumpster,
around 6:00A.M.
BK remembers that after found, others talked about CLOTHES SEEN IN dumpster.
No one followed up.
BK remembers that after found, no police report was done.
BK remembers being OUTSIDE A JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL WHEN PRES. KENNEDY SHOT IN DALLAS, TX., NOV. 1963.
BK says he worked in an industry.
BK strongly feels he was born in Indianapolis, IN.
BK has spent hours on line doing his own missing persons searches.
On Dr Phil show, the linguist, mentioned Kansas and S. Mo. also as places BK could be from.
...............Things this board has discussed..................:
Benjaman. dob; 8/29/48. Has 3 brothers. Catholic.
Indiana birth records.
In Richmond Hill, GA, because he came to visit the ocean.
Remembers CO. from the late 1970's, 1980's.
Remembers state fair and grilled cheese sandwich.
Good work ethic.
His scars.
Not military, not in Viet Nam war.

Okay. Well, I could continue listing what we have searched for, but my post was to report what I learned after watching Dr Phil show again.
Anyone else?

carolwood

01-16-2009, 12:52 AM

Ben's memories of Mamma Elena's Mexican Restaurant and The Normandy Restaurant.
I have a tip: Maria Elena Mexican Restaurant may still be open for the lunch crowd.
The Normandy Restaurant opened in the late 50's and closed in 2001.

dreamweaver

01-16-2009, 01:52 PM

I know this is a touchy subject.
But, bringing it up anyway.

Would BK share a few new memories of Denver or Indianapolis that might point us in the more focused direction? Like: which city he was in when he fell off the loading dock?
Does he remember another city in CO?

rozey

01-17-2009, 03:23 PM

It seems that all of BK's memories about CO. and places can be found on the internet.
I can't explain it but I am getting a hinky feeling about that. Are there any memories of BK's that information hasn't been found?

snowme

01-18-2009, 12:34 AM

It seems that all of BK's memories about CO. and places can be found on the internet.
I can't explain it but I am getting a hinky feeling about that. Are there any memories of BK's that information hasn't been found?

Hi rozey, if I'm understanding you correctly, here's something pertaining to the CO memories that hasn't (to my knowledge) been verified/confirmed: he mentions an Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips. I looked & looked online a while back to find out where it would have been located. I contacted the Denver Chamber of Commerce and the business division of the CO Secretary of State. Both of those entities came back with zero result and I do think they made a fair attempt at finding out.

It's crossed my mind that the ATF&C memory could be muddled and could have been located elsewhere, perhaps IN. It's actually more plausible to me that it was in IN because of the history found for that chain. Not to say there never was nor never could have been one in CO but it was far more likely to have been in IN rather than CO.

Others here will probably giggle... that darned ATF&C is one of the very first things that stuck out to me and prompted me to finally begin posting! :crazy:

rozey

01-18-2009, 11:49 AM

Hi rozey, if I'm understanding you correctly, here's something pertaining to the CO memories that hasn't (to my knowledge) been verified/confirmed: he mentions an Arthur Treacher's Fish & Chips. I looked & looked online a while back to find out where it would have been located. I contacted the Denver Chamber of Commerce and the business division of the CO Secretary of State. Both of those entities came back with zero result and I do think they made a fair attempt at finding out.

It's crossed my mind that the ATF&C memory could be muddled and could have been located elsewhere, perhaps IN. It's actually more plausible to me that it was in IN because of the history found for that chain. Not to say there never was nor never could have been one in CO but it was far more likely to have been in IN rather than CO.

Others here will probably giggle... that darned ATF&C is one of the very first things that stuck out to me and prompted me to finally begin posting! :crazy:

Thanks snowme. :)
How can we know if these memories are real or adopted. The emotional trauma of not remembering who you are must be maddening. Did these memories appear before or after BK's use of the internet?
I am in no way saying that he is fabricating....My knowledge of amnesia is limited. Looking back in my own life there are events that I'm not sure I truly remember or remember because I've heard the story or viewed a pic.

IIRC someone posted that there was an ATF & C's in the Denver area.

snowme

01-19-2009, 02:12 AM

Thanks snowme. :)
How can we know if these memories are real or adopted. The emotional trauma of not remembering who you are must be maddening. Did these memories appear before or after BK's use of the internet? I am in no way saying that he is fabricating....My knowledge of amnesia is limited. Looking back in my own life there are events that I'm not sure I truly remember or remember because I've heard the story or viewed a pic.

IIRC someone posted that there was an ATF & C's in the Denver area.

my bold
Taking the last part first, ... and I've missed it?! :crazy: I'll have go thru and check.

I hadn't thought of that before, regarding the timing of the memories. I know what you're saying tho and it would be interesting to know if something triggered memories or if they came to him before being introduced (or reintroduced) to things like internet, books, magazines, tv, etc. Or perhaps even just hearing someone say something, a word or story or something that clicked.

Or it could be that nothing triggered what he's shared as memories... maybe that stuff was just there in his mind when he began recovering from having been beaten.

What I'm wondering now is would it make any significant difference to his recovery whether the memories are triggered or were just there? Anyone have any thoughts or source material on that?

dreamweaver

01-19-2009, 08:16 AM

No one way to really tell if BK's memories were triggered or after being on internet, reading etc. From what I have gathered, BK says he 'feels' his name is Benjaman, that he was born in Indianapolis, etc.
dissociative amnesia http://my.clevelandclinic.org/disorders/Dissociative_Disorders/hic_Dissociative_Amnesia.aspx

tetris game invokes 'old' memories in amnesia patients
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/short/290/5490/350

'snipped' He was sent to the neurology ward, where he underwent a week of grueling MRIs and CT scans, spinal taps and blood tests. Doctors found no physical injuries. Next came a week of observation in the psychiatric ward. “They wanted to make sure this wasn’t a put-on job,” says Jeff, who took IQ tests and solved puzzles. Under hypnosis he told doctors his wife and children had been killed by a drunk driver. In fact, Jeff’s ex-wife, Melanie, was still alive, and they had no children; experts say it’s not unusual for patients to come up with false memories under hypnosis.
http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/a-man-with-amnesia-reunited-with-his-wife/article44333-2.html

dreamweaver

01-19-2009, 08:54 AM

Info on amnesia:

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/amnesia-discussions/introductions-personal-stories/139759-amnesia-going-on-3-years
Amnesia Forum site.
Interesting. Maybe BK will read this and if he does not know about it, he could check it out.

http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/amnesia-discussions/general-support/45201-discovery-health-channel-amnesia-stories
Discovery Channel doing stories on amnesia, program Mystery ER, 2/2008.

http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Have-Had-Amnesia/79561
An anonymous share your amnesia experience site. I do not know the reputation of this site.

snowme

01-20-2009, 01:16 AM

Thanks for the links dreamweaver. In some of the reading it gave me renewed hope for Benjaman. It's difficult for them to put numbers into statistics for such things as dissociative amnesia and fugue, but they do tend to offer hope in the way of the use of words like "rapid" and "resolve quickly" once recovery begins to happen.

I'll take that as a good positive thought for today!

Earthbound Misfit I

02-01-2009, 01:51 PM

What makes Benjaman think his birthday is the same day as Michael Jackson's, only his (Ben's) birthday is 10 years earlier than Michael's? How did he know when Michael's birthday was? How does he "relate" his birthday with Michael's? I read up on Michael and he was born in Gary, Indiana, does Benjaman recall seeing Michael perform there perhaps at a club or the state fair?

snowme

02-01-2009, 11:55 PM

What makes Benjaman think his birthday is the same day as Michael Jackson's, only his (Ben's) birthday is 10 years earlier than Michael's? How did he know when Michael's birthday was? How does he "relate" his birthday with Michael's? I read up on Michael and he was born in Gary, Indiana, does Benjaman recall seeing Michael perform there perhaps at a club or the state fair?

RK, I think that is a great area for thought/questions. The last couple weeks when I've thought of Benjaman it's been centered around his birthday and why he associated with MJ's birthday. You know, I knew MJ was from Gary, IN but I never, not once, put it in play with Benjaman feeling IN was his home state! duh me.

I hope this area is something Benjaman might feel comfortable offering his thoughts on with us.

RK, have you posted this over in the thread set up solely for questions directed to Benjaman?

believe09

03-10-2009, 11:08 PM

What if he doesn't recall a catholic or parochial school...what if he was in a state home?

There was a home for children/orphans in Indiana that was devoted to offspring of armed services people. The records are archived and online-there are no photos however. By all accounts, this was not a pleasant place to be.

http://www.fisa-in.org/news/articles/sns_children.html

allie1979

04-07-2009, 05:59 PM

Hello everyone,

This is my first foray into the WS world, though I've been familiar with Mr. Kyle's story for a few years. This thought has been bugging me for a while so I figured I would gather the courage to post it.

I remember reading that music helps with Alzheimer's patients recovering small snippits of memory, and I was wondering if music had been tried in this case? Specifically, I'd like to see a compilation of Indiana and Colorado high school songs (if any can be found), or any songs particular to regional advertisements from the time period put together for Mr. Kyle to review. Sometimes a song is so ingrained in the memory that a person with memory loss will still just start singing along.

I tried looking for a similar suggestion, and my apologies if it's been mentioned before and I missed it. Check out this little article about the phenomena:

http://www.livescience.com/health/090224-music-memory.html

carolwood

04-07-2009, 08:12 PM

Hello everyone,

This is my first foray into the WS world, though I've been familiar with Mr. Kyle's story for a few years. This thought has been bugging me for a while so I figured I would gather the courage to post it.

I remember reading that music helps with Alzheimer's patients recovering small snippits of memory, and I was wondering if music had been tried in this case? Specifically, I'd like to see a compilation of Indiana and Colorado high school songs (if any can be found), or any songs particular to regional advertisements from the time period put together for Mr. Kyle to review. Sometimes a song is so ingrained in the memory that a person with memory loss will still just start singing along.

I tried looking for a similar suggestion, and my apologies if it's been mentioned before and I missed it. Check out this little article about the phenomena:

http://www.livescience.com/health/090224-music-memory.html

What a wonderful idea. I wonder since he believes he is 10 years older than Michael Jackson, if he likes his music? Heck, I'll make a cd if needed. anyone else, thoughts?

carolwood

04-07-2009, 08:16 PM

:Welcome-12-june:

allie1979

allie1979

04-07-2009, 08:31 PM

Hi Carol

Thanks for the welcome! :) As for the music, I was thinking of something a bit more specific than songs that would get regular airplay... he could have heard these recently. I'm thinking about those cheesy local radio and television jingles... I know there are ones that only people in my area will know because we're the people that hear them. I would have no idea what a jingle from a furniture store in Alaska sounds like, for example, but I sure do know the jingle from a store here in Ontario. Same with school slogan songs... my mother can sing the song from her alma mater, but someone who had never been to that university would have no idea what she was talking about.

These songs can pin down a person's location, at some point in their lives. This is what I had in mind... sorry if I wasn't clear with the first post!

Boyz_Mum

04-07-2009, 09:54 PM

Welcome allie1979! :)

I understand what you are talking about in regards to jingles and such.

If BK has memories of Arthur Treacher, does anyone know if they had a commercial back in the 70's or something like that? Does anyone know the best way to locate jingles used back then?

(We had Ollie Fretter appliance, he'd give you five lbs of coffee if he couldn't beat your best deal. We also had Mel Farr Superstar, it was a car lot ad out of Detroit, IIRC. And who could forget the "Faygo Redpop" commercial from yesteryear? Anyone know the areas well enough to know some ads?)

Does anyone know if Mr Kyle watches television? I am wondering if any shows like "Mr. Ed" or something from his "era" gives him any reaction or trigger any memories?

carolwood

04-07-2009, 10:16 PM

Great, I have friends in the area, and I will post this question to them and see if I can come up with something.

RhythmicSun

04-07-2009, 10:23 PM

OT: is Faygo Redpop a regional thing? I don't remember it! I had to google it and I don't recognize the bottle. :confused:

On another note, my grandpa lived with us and was always calling me and my brother "you little hoosiers" even though we had no connection at all to Indiana! It was just a popular saying at the time. I wonder if there are jingles, recipes, landmarks that would stimulate his memory. (Perhaps that's already been thought of.)

Boyz_Mum

04-07-2009, 10:33 PM

OT: is Faygo Redpop a regional thing? I don't remember it! I had to google it and I don't recognize the bottle. :confused:

On another note, my grandpa lived with us and was always calling me and my brother "you little hoosiers" even though we had no connection at all to Indiana! It was just a popular saying at the time. I wonder if there are jingles, recipes, landmarks that would stimulate his memory. (Perhaps that's already been thought of.)

When I was a kid in Mich. we had a commercial for Faygo Redpop it was a paddleboat (or like a big river boat with the paddle thing in the back?) and they sang a song "Remember when you were a kid? Well part of you still is and that's why we make Faygo. Faygo, remembers..." We had quite a few regional commercials back in Mich. I hope someone can come up with some ideas closer to Mr. Kyles places he "remembers".

There is a commercial out of Denver for "Rocky's Auto", it drives me batty, but I don't know how long Rocky's has been around (and they don't seem to have a catchy slogan or anything like that).

Boyz_Mum

04-07-2009, 10:36 PM

Is there any way to find out if Mr. Kyle is familiar with Vernor's Ginger Ale? I don't think it's distributed far and wide and I haven't found a single bottle of it in Colorado...

Is that brand recognized by anyone of you here that isn't from Mich.?

If this is a dumb question, just ignore me. :)

RhythmicSun

04-07-2009, 10:38 PM

Vernor's was popular around 30 years ago, as I recall. I liked it. Had a nice big bite to it. ;)

Boyz_Mum

04-07-2009, 10:45 PM

Vernor's is a good mixer~I haven't found it out here.:eek:

I can list "things I see on the way to Denver", but I don't know if it's worthwhile?

Boyz_Mum

04-07-2009, 11:18 PM

I listed some questions about landmarks and things on the question thread, in regards to CO.:blowkiss:

WholeLottaRosie

04-08-2009, 12:48 AM

OT: is Faygo Redpop a regional thing? I don't remember it! I had to google it and I don't recognize the bottle. :confused:

On another note, my grandpa lived with us and was always calling me and my brother "you little hoosiers" even though we had no connection at all to Indiana! It was just a popular saying at the time. I wonder if there are jingles, recipes, landmarks that would stimulate his memory. (Perhaps that's already been thought of.)

People in St. Louis, maybe South St Louis city area call people/each other Hoosiers and I take it to be a somewhat derogatory term - like "wow, he's such a hoosier" meaning "wow, he's such a moron/idiot." I take it to be a regional thing in that area.

There were Arthur Treachers in the St. Louis area way back.

RhythmicSun

04-08-2009, 01:17 AM

Interesting, thanks Medusa for posting that. I always took it to mean "you little troublemakers" because he would always say it during sibling squabbles, or when he disagreed with what we were saying.

dreamweaver

04-08-2009, 01:48 AM

Welcome aboard allie179!

Great idea about the local music, jingles, etc.

Maybe You Tube might have some of the old jingles or local radio ads.
When I was looking for old infomercials, that's where I went.

dreamweaver

04-08-2009, 01:50 AM

OT: is Faygo Redpop a regional thing? I don't remember it! I had to google it and I don't recognize the bottle. :confused:

On another note, my grandpa lived with us and was always calling me and my brother "you little hoosiers" even though we had no connection at all to Indiana! It was just a popular saying at the time. I wonder if there are jingles, recipes, landmarks that would stimulate his memory. (Perhaps that's already been thought of.)\-------------------------------------------------------------------------
I am about the same age as BK and I have no idea what Faygo Redpop is. And what is it anyway?
I grew up on the west coast, so that tells me that finding regional music, ads or jingles is a good idea.

dreamweaver

04-08-2009, 01:51 AM

Is there any way to find out if Mr. Kyle is familiar with Vernor's Ginger Ale? I don't think it's distributed far and wide and I haven't found a single bottle of it in Colorado...

Is that brand recognized by anyone of you here that isn't from Mich.?

If this is a dumb question, just ignore me. :)
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I am not from Michigan and I do not recognize Vernor's Ginger Ale.

RhythmicSun

04-08-2009, 01:52 AM

Hi dreamweaver, I googled an image of Faygo Redpop and an old-fashioned bottle came up full of pink liquid :D

You're right about the regions!

dreamweaver

04-08-2009, 01:56 AM

Hi dreamweaver, I googled an image of Faygo Redpop and an old-fashioned bottle came up full of pink liquid :D

You're right about the regions!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faygo
based on frostings...originally.

WholeLottaRosie

04-08-2009, 10:53 AM

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I am not from Michigan and I do not recognize Vernor's Ginger Ale.

Missed this one before. Vernor's was sold/known in Central/Southern IL as I recall it - and I am thinking in the St Louis area, and parts of South Eastern Missouri.

Boyz_Mum

04-08-2009, 12:18 PM

Sorry if the "Vernor's" was off topic, I was just trying to think of regional items/products and that was the one thing I could think of. Looking for radio jingles is a good idea too (since on the radio they have to catch your attention with words or music.) I haven't found anything "unique" to Colorado as far as a brand or anything is concerned, but I'll keep asking.

Julessleuther

04-23-2009, 08:05 PM

In re-reading over all the info for BK, I notice that one of his memories was of the Big Mac or McNichols Sports Arena in Denver. I researched this, and discovered that the Big Mac was built and completed in 1975 and razed in 1999. It was the home of the Denver Spurs from 1975-1976, the Colorado Rockies from 1976-1982, Colorado Flames from 1982-84, the Denver Nuggets from 1975-1999, the Denver Avalanche from 1981-82, and Colorado Avalanche from 1995-1999, and the Denver Grizzlies from 1994-1995. The highest scoring game in NBA history was played here in 1983, when the Denver Nuggets played the Detroit Pistons.

So...if he remembers this place, then he had to have been in Denver at or after 1975. Perhaps he helped build it? Run a concession stand at it? Does he follow any sports now? Perhaps he was a season ticket holder for one of the teams?

dreamweaver

04-24-2009, 01:12 PM

In re-reading over all the info for BK, I notice that one of his memories was of the Big Mac or McNichols Sports Arena in Denver. I researched this, and discovered that the Big Mac was built and completed in 1975 and razed in 1999. It was the home of the Denver Spurs from 1975-1976, the Colorado Rockies from 1976-1982, Colorado Flames from 1982-84, the Denver Nuggets from 1975-1999, the Denver Avalanche from 1981-82, and Colorado Avalanche from 1995-1999, and the Denver Grizzlies from 1994-1995. The highest scoring game in NBA history was played here in 1983, when the Denver Nuggets played the Detroit Pistons.

So...if he remembers this place, then he had to have been in Denver at or after 1975. Perhaps he helped build it? Run a concession stand at it? Does he follow any sports now? Perhaps he was a season ticket holder for one of the teams?
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I always wondered if he went to college in Denver. He would have been
about 27 or 28 years old in 1975.
So, he could have been working then, maybe helping set up the restaurant, that kind of thing.

websurfer

04-25-2009, 03:23 PM

Bk knows not who he is....
but why is not one single person looking for this man?
No parents,aunts uncles/
no missing profiles anywhere?
Why not?
I would like fellow WS members who are also mystified by this case to answer that question.
I in fact may write to Bk he seems harmless enough...
anyway...
maybe we could all send him a nice short note/And tell him how we wish him luck and are doing our best to help him as much as possible..
I do feel for him..
oh!
I was watching an old UNSOLVED MYSTERIES episode in it some teenage boy [ his Mom has an ENGLISH accent] anyway this teen boy went missing some time ago..sorry I neglected to write the name and info down i was going to see if I could spot the story on the
UNSOLVED.com website...
maybe he is a missing person from way back when?
Maybe he has been lost since his childhood or teens?
Any possible children or teens fitting his description?

ok well just wanted to share today..
someday.......:waitasec:

Odyssey

04-30-2009, 02:14 AM

This may be a really super-long shot... but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. Has anyone checked to see if the state of Colorado has an online "Unclaimed Property" database? I know that in my state, the unclaimed property database lists addresses of the people - so it might be worth a shot to look for people who lived near Colfax St...and whose unclaimed property has been in their system for a long time. Then from there, we could match the names on Veromi or intelius to rule out people whose ages don't match, then try to account for the people who are left?? Just a thought... may not be possible though.

carolwood

04-30-2009, 10:08 AM

This may be a really super-long shot... but I thought I'd throw it out there anyway. Has anyone checked to see if the state of Colorado has an online "Unclaimed Property" database? I know that in my state, the unclaimed property database lists addresses of the people - so it might be worth a shot to look for people who lived near Colfax St...and whose unclaimed property has been in their system for a long time. Then from there, we could match the names on Veromi or intelius to rule out people whose ages don't match, then try to account for the people who are left?? Just a thought... may not be possible though.

Welcome Odyssey.
I think this was done by Dreamweaver. I did Indiana.

dreamweaver

04-30-2009, 07:07 PM

Welcome Odyssey.
I think this was done by Dreamweaver. I did Indiana.
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I did work on Colorado unclaimed property and money.
But please take a fresh look at it!

Roselvr

10-30-2009, 04:20 PM

From the Arizona "Juan Doe"

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ot:
BK: I thought the same thing. How many of BK's memories are
close to the actual reality?
Is Benjaman his name or the name of his father or the name of a place he was at?
I would believe the restaurant supply knowledge, can't just come by that.
more at BK's thread..

I've always thought Benjaman may be more of his last name, not 1st.
I'm not sure how popular the name Kyle was as a 1st name back then though.

dreamweaver

10-30-2009, 06:08 PM

http://www.nameplayground.com/Kyle

1949: Kind of sort of, popular.
Although, I do not remember one Kyle in my graduating class.

carolwood

11-09-2009, 09:40 AM

FACT w/memory:

Possible Match Gary Poole - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
(post 10 and 11)

JFK Assassination happened on Friday, Nov. 22, 1963 at 12:30 p.m.

If BK was in Jr. High school, he would have been at a lunch break.

Depending on what type of school he went to:

small school lunch breaks, grades 6-12th (at one location)

6-8th grade, lunch approx. 11:30 am
9-12th grade, lunch approx. 12:20 p.m.

large school lunch breaks(some school systems include 6th grades as high school)
7-8th grades, at there own school, lunches for 7th graders, approx 11:20 a.m. and 8th grade approx 12:20 pm.

9-12th grades, at there own school, lunches for 9-10th grades, approx at 11:20 a.m. and 11-12th grades, lunch approx at 12:20 p.m.

(this time frame is based on where I live. It has been like this as long as I can remember and elementary schools are even earlier, they actually run lunches from 10:45 a.m. to 12.)

Kentjbkent

11-09-2009, 11:50 AM

FACT w/memory:

Possible Match Gary Poole - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4407727#post4407727)
(post 10 and 11)

JFK Assassination happened on Friday, Nov. 22, 1963 at 12:30 p.m.

If BK was in Jr. High school, he would have been at a lunch break.

Depending on what type of school he went to:

small school lunch breaks, grades 6-12th (at one location)

6-8th grade, lunch approx. 11:30 am
9-12th grade, lunch approx. 12:20 p.m.

large school lunch breaks(some school systems include 6th grades as high school)
7-8th grades, at there own school, lunches for 7th graders, approx 11:20 a.m. and 8th grade approx 12:20 pm.

9-12th grades, at there own school, lunches for 9-10th grades, approx at 11:20 a.m. and 11-12th grades, lunch approx at 12:20 p.m.

(this time frame is based on where I live. It has been like this as long as I can remember and elementary schools are even earlier, they actually run lunches from 10:45 a.m. to 12.)

Hi Carolwood,

I recall reading in an online article that one of the things BK recalls was the assassination of JFK, but hadn't seen anything about BK being in jr high on that date? Was this fact mentioned in a particular article (quote from BK) or did BK mention it on this forum?

dreamweaver

11-09-2009, 01:39 PM

http://www.museum.tv/eotvsection.php?entrycode=kennedyjf
'snipped'

The first word came over the television airwaves at 1:40 P.M. EST when CBS News anchorman Walter Cronkite broke into As the World Turns with an audio announcement over a bulletin slide: "In Dallas, Texas, three shots were fired at President Kennedy's motorcade in downtown Dallas. The first reports say that President Kennedy has been seriously wounded by this shooting." Minutes later, Cronkite appears on screen from CBS's New York newsroom to field live reports from Dallas and read news bulletins from Associated Press and CBS Radio. Eddie Barker, news director for CBS's Dallas affiliate KRLD-TV, reports live from the Trade Mart, where the president was to have attended a luncheon. As a stationary camera pans the ballroom, closing in on a black waiter who wipes tears from his face, Barker relates rumors "that the president is dead." Back in New York, a voice off camera tells Cronkite the same news, which the anchorman stresses is "totally unconfirmed." Switching back to Dallas, Barker again reports "the word we have is that the President is dead." Though he cautions "this we do not know for a fact," the visual image at the Trade Mart is ominous: workman can be seen removing the presidential seal from a podium on the dias.

more at link...

I just wanted to say that I remember when JFK's was killed. I was in high school, they made an announcement while I was in history class. Our announcement was not until about 2pm, pst.
But, note that it was 1963, there were no tv's in school and the teachers I had did not have a radio in their classroom.
So, there was a slow filtering down timeline.

Cubby

11-09-2009, 01:46 PM

Thank you for that info Dreamweaver! I wondered, and had thought most likely the news would have reached "BK" about the time school was letting out, or perhaps the news came and they were let out?

I wish we had an idea what the school looked like. Most 'older' schools around here, were all brick back then. I imagine many looked quite similiar, unless something stood out- such as rail road tracks nearby or?

Julessleuther

11-09-2009, 01:55 PM

I know, wouldn't it be great if his memory included a discription of the school, including the school sign!! I could actually imagine him standing outside of school. Wonder what the weather was like for BK that day; was he wearing a coat? Was there snow on the ground or was it a balmy 79 (like here in Phoenix!)

On a different note: Do BK's memories place him as a student at U of Co Boulder, or just visiting there. I know he mentions the library--could he have taught at the school? The reason I ask is because U of CO/B has lots of missing alumni listings, and if we are fairly certain he was a student, we could go through those lists or somehow get access to yearbooks? Did we ever get ahold of an alumni association that could post his info in their newsletter or newspaper?

Thank you for that info Dreamweaver! I wondered, and had thought most likely the news would have reached "BK" about the time school was letting out, or perhaps the news came and they were let out?

I wish we had an idea what the school looked like. Most 'older' schools around here, were all brick back then. I imagine many looked quite similiar, unless something stood out- such as rail road tracks nearby or?

Cubby

11-09-2009, 02:26 PM

I think we need to ask Jules'. IIRC he remembers the magazine, and a place he sat in the library. One of the articles mentioned the library had the subscription so long it didn't help with the timeline.

In that same direction, Norlin must have had some renovations over the years, so I did a quick search. It appears the main entrance was moved about 1977. I wonder if Mr. Kyle has any specific memories about renovations either at the Norlin Library or any of the other places he recalls. If so perhaps we can get closer to timeline within a particular area. IF he recalls the main door being relocated, then we can definately say he was there during the construction of "......".

Makes me also wonder if Mr. Kyle has had access to any 'historical' information about the area's he remembers which might give him a better timeline. Does that makes sense? I guess I am thinking along the lines of wishing we had a sketch artist for some of his memories.....

I'm thinking along the lines of the viaduct at Main Street was constructed .. or something like that. Either a demolision of a building, or construction of a building?

(I am going to copy that thought to the question thread).

Julessleuther

11-09-2009, 03:33 PM

Did anyone ever find the Mountain Man pizza that BK references? I searched Westword archives and have not been able to find it, however, I did find a Mountain Man Steak House, which won an award in 1985 for best entrance to a restaurant:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2007/10/_in_1985_westword_published.php

1989 for best Buffalo paraphenalia:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2007/11/best_of_westword_winners_1989.php

1996 for great buffalo stew:
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2008/01/best_of_denver_winners_from_19_2.php

I cannot find much info about the restaurant, but perhaps this is what he was thinking of? Commerce City is a suburb of Denver.
http://www.restaurantrow.com/m_moreinfo.cfm?Code=815469

Interestingly enough, there is a pizza place in Denver that has been voted best of Denver called Beniamino's. The owners name is BEN Guest. Looks like they closed about May 2007. They won awards in 2005, 2006 which is after Ben was found, but still curious. The owner is from South Chicago.
http://www.westword.com/bestof/2006/award/best-pizza-thick-crust-105109/

http://www.westword.com/2005-03-10/restaurants/bite-me (move down page)

dreamweaver

11-09-2009, 04:01 PM

Thank you for that info Dreamweaver! I wondered, and had thought most likely the news would have reached "BK" about the time school was letting out, or perhaps the news came and they were let out?

I wish we had an idea what the school looked like. Most 'older' schools around here, were all brick back then. I imagine many looked quite similiar, unless something stood out- such as rail road tracks nearby or?
======================================

Most schools back then were brick.
My high school was two stories of brick, covered in ivy.

It now looks like a conglomeration of styles, but not brick and no ivy.

Roselvr

11-09-2009, 04:33 PM

FACT w/memory:

Possible Match Gary Poole - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4407727#post4407727)
(post 10 and 11)

JFK Assassination happened on Friday, Nov. 22, 1963 at 12:30 p.m.

If BK was in Jr. High school, he would have been at a lunch break.

Depending on what type of school he went to:

small school lunch breaks, grades 6-12th (at one location)

6-8th grade, lunch approx. 11:30 am
9-12th grade, lunch approx. 12:20 p.m.

large school lunch breaks(some school systems include 6th grades as high school)
7-8th grades, at there own school, lunches for 7th graders, approx 11:20 a.m. and 8th grade approx 12:20 pm.

9-12th grades, at there own school, lunches for 9-10th grades, approx at 11:20 a.m. and 11-12th grades, lunch approx at 12:20 p.m.

(this time frame is based on where I live. It has been like this as long as I can remember and elementary schools are even earlier, they actually run lunches from 10:45 a.m. to 12.)

And everything also depends on what time zone he was in at the time he was told.

krazykidz

11-14-2009, 12:05 PM

ok, maybe i'm not searching correctly, but i am trying to find out what bk's favorite music is. i put music and then songs in the search engine for his threads, but couldn't find anything. is it posted somewhere here?

Cubby

11-14-2009, 02:08 PM

ok, maybe i'm not searching correctly, but i am trying to find out what bk's favorite music is. i put music and then songs in the search engine for his threads, but couldn't find anything. is it posted somewhere here?

I don't know what kind of music he likes, and I don't recall him saying. There is a thread here with questions specifically for Benjaman. you might want to ask there. He drops in from time to time, but sometimes not frequently.

hth

Roselvr

11-14-2009, 02:32 PM

I don't think he's ever specifically said what music he likes, I could be wrong.
I know some of us were asking if he remembered specific groups.

believe09

11-14-2009, 04:53 PM

O/T but On Topic, lol, krazykids put together a very very compelling album comparing BK's features with Jimmy Buffet's-I think she is spot on even to the angle of the nose....looking to JB's High School pick helps to give me a frame of reference regarding what bK might look like...go to krazykids public profile and you can see her album!!

krazykidz

11-14-2009, 06:35 PM

all of my genealogy research has helped me more than i expected, and i'm an artist, so i noticed right away how much he looks like jb. i've been on ancestry.com today following leads from canada, ohio, miss, and alabama. and...i've got to search again on here to find a photo i saw posted of a missing guy that is supposed to be m.i.a. and his young photo looks kind of like jb's 19 year old photo.

and i will go to the question thread to post my music question because i think that can be important (even if he doesn't know who jb is)

dreamweaver

11-14-2009, 07:32 PM

all of my genealogy research has helped me more than i expected, and i'm an artist, so i noticed right away how much he looks like jb. i've been on ancestry.com today following leads from canada, ohio, miss, and alabama. and...i've got to search again on here to find a photo i saw posted of a missing guy that is supposed to be m.i.a. and his young photo looks kind of like jb's 19 year old photo.

and i will go to the question thread to post my music question because i think that can be important (even if he doesn't know who jb is)
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krazykidz:
Well, a nice photo album indeed.
Lots of good pics of BK.
I have to say I was expecting to see
no resemblance or very little to JB,
but,
they do look alike.
Great job.

dreamweaver

11-14-2009, 08:57 PM

O/T but On Topic, lol, krazykids put together a very very compelling album comparing BK's features with Jimmy Buffet's-I think she is spot on even to the angle of the nose....looking to JB's High School pick helps to give me a frame of reference regarding what bK might look like...go to krazykids public profile and you can see her album!!
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To continue with the Jimmy Buffett/Benjaman Kyle theme:
Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheeseburger_in_Paradise_(restaurant)
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For the Jimmy Buffett song "Cheeseburger in Paradise," see: Cheeseburger in Paradise. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Cheeseburger_in_Paradise_restaurant.jpg/180px-Cheeseburger_in_Paradise_restaurant.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cheeseburger_in_Paradise_restaurant.jpg) http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cheeseburger_in_Paradise_restaurant.jpg)
Cheeseburger in Paradise, Indiana location

Cheeseburger in Paradise is a casual dining restaurant chain in the United States. The first restaurant was opened on August 22, 2002 in Indianapolis, Indiana; as of 2006[update] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cheeseburger_in_Paradise_(restaura nt)&action=edit), the restaurant has 34 locations in 17 states. It is a theme restaurant named for the song "Cheeseburger in Paradise" by American pop music singer Jimmy Buffett.

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I don't think we should get too excited about all this.
But it is a nice coincidence.

But,
Jimmy Buffett played in Atlanta, Georgia on 5/26/2004.
http://www.buffettworld.com/tour-dates/td-2004/

krazykidz

11-15-2009, 11:08 AM

hey guys,
i just wanted to make it clear that i made the bk/jimmy buffett comparison album for kind of a reference in how he may have looked over the years. it is so interesting how different buffett's 19 yo photo looks from his appearance today. age regression is really difficult in my opinion. i am 50 years old and have recently renewed friendships with old old friends on facebook. well, lemme tell ya, some look exactly the same and others are so different i can't believe it. there is one guy in particular who is in great physical shape (so there is no distorting weight gain) and i would not have recognized him in a million years!!! some people have extreme facial changes from early adulthood on. also, we have seen what a chameleon bk is in all of his various photos.

that being said, i would like to see a photo of bk's hands that is a little clearer. hands are a family characteristic (feet, too)

Roselvr

11-16-2009, 07:01 AM

O/T but On Topic, lol, krazykids put together a very very compelling album comparing BK's features with Jimmy Buffet's-I think she is spot on even to the angle of the nose....looking to JB's High School pick helps to give me a frame of reference regarding what bK might look like...go to krazykids public profile and you can see her album!!

You know how I keep saying I wish someone with photoshop skills would change BK's hair? I mean something like this (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1073&pictureid=8925) - the hair Buffet is wearing in the 70's.

bk looks like jimmy buffett by krazykidz (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/album.php?albumid=1073)