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christine2448
05-10-2008, 11:33 PM
This thread is for general discussion.

Please continue here.

SeekingJana
05-11-2008, 12:13 AM
I know this is going against the popular grain here, but one of the things that I find interesting and inspiring about Tara Grinstead's case is that she is only declared " Missing" on the official posters. LE has not declared her " Missing- Endangered" like they did with my distant relative Jana Witt nor have they added any other information than what was initially released.

Until the people who KNOW what is what, GBI, releases specific and unequivocal information to the contrary, I choose to hope that Tara Grinstead is just what the authorities say-missing. I don't know where she is, or why she is missing, but that's not for me to know.
She has a family who will miss her and love her on this Mother's Day and I think we owe them the respect of honoring what LE has said about Tara.. she is MISSING.

I am aware of the snippets of possible foul play and rumors of this and that which have divided those who care about Tara for years, but rumors and innuendo do not a death make.
What if you or I were missing from our regular home, workplace, hangouts, pets, but still alive? Would we want people labeling us as dead? Murdered? Have us mouldering in the dark south Georgia soil when we aren't?

I've thought long and hard about this and I think that to declare Tara Grinstead dead is wrong on many levels. We must deal with the case facts first of all.
The case facts are that she disappeared and that the only things missing are her purse and keys.

Chico said in the new Tara TOS that it was OK to post theories and speculate, and that some of us will change our minds as time goes on...
I have changed my opinion from that of " probably dead" to simply " missing".. not in her usual place, and missed dearly by those who love her.

Tara is an amazing young woman and I pray for the best possible outcome for her.

Maria

RememberTara
05-11-2008, 12:37 AM
Here is a link to an FBI VICAP flyer for Tara Grinstead. In the poster it says " Investigators suspect that her disappearance may be the result of foul play."
To me, that sums up LE's point of view that Tara Grinstead is a victim of foul play.


http://www.fbi.gov/filelink.html?file=/wanted/vicap/grinstead_tara.pdf

christine2448
05-11-2008, 12:41 AM
Investigators suspect that her
disappearance may be the result of foul play.


to believe to be guilty, false, counterfeit, undesirable, defective, bad, etc., with little or no proof: to suspect a person of murder.

Trino
05-11-2008, 07:59 AM
What if you or I were missing from our regular home, workplace, hangouts, pets, but still alive? Would we want people labeling us as dead? Murdered? Have us mouldering in the dark south Georgia soil when we aren't?

Sorry, but I just cannot accept "just missing." If I were voluntarily missing and did not wish to be labeled as "mouldering in the dark south GA soil," I would contact authorities, as I believe Tara, being an honest person, would do.

Is it possible that Tara may be being held against her will and cannot contact authorities? Sure; anything is possible. But, while this has happened in a few high profile cases, most persons missing this long do not have a positive outcome.

"Just missing" IMO is a way of saying we don't want to discuss the possibility of Tara no longer being alive. The realities of this case must include the possibility that she is no long with us and must include suspects in her abduction and possible murder.

Implying "just missing" says we don't know where she is with no room for discussion, which is what Websleuths is all about.

believe09
05-11-2008, 10:14 AM
My understanding is that for the first week or so, the feeling "on the ground" was that she was returning. I am paraphrasing a post of docwho3's, but in the past VICAP alerts have been issued for people who were missing of their own volition, but the circumstances of their disappearance were suspicious to what was known about the person to the date of their disappearance.

I have no firm belief on this case yet, simply because weeding though all of the data has not provided me with a clear picture.

Why did she have so much money in her car; was that a common thing for her?

RQ5
05-11-2008, 01:06 PM
My understanding is that for the first week or so, the feeling "on the ground" was that she was returning. I am paraphrasing a post of docwho3's, but in the past VICAP alerts have been issued for people who were missing of their own volition, but the circumstances of their disappearance were suspicious to what was known about the person to the date of their disappearance.

I have no firm belief on this case yet, simply because weeding though all of the data has not provided me with a clear picture.

Why did she have so much money in her car; was that a common thing for her?
I was told and do not know for sure if it is fact ///but what was discussed early on is that Tara loan the money to one of the pagenet contestent for a dress and was paid back at the pagenet..

believe09
05-11-2008, 02:34 PM
I was told and do not know for sure if it is fact ///but what was discussed early on is that Tara loan the money to one of the pagenet contestent for a dress and was paid back at the pagenet..

Ahhhh!!! Now that would make a whole lot of sense!!! I will dig into it from that angle-thank you!!!

CW
05-11-2008, 03:22 PM
By JACK WILKINSON
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 02/05/06


Ocilla — Tara Grinstead is still missing, and yet it seems she's everywhere.

In the Irwin County Senior Citizens Center on Fourth Street, a large banner over the entrance reads: "Missing: Tara Grinstead." Inside, as two elderly women play ring toss while others eat lunch, Linda Fletcher answers the phone in a tiny room that serves as the volunteer Tara Command Center, taking tips or dispelling the latest, wildest rumor.

On the corner of West Park and Alder, the porch and front yard of Grinstead's small white rental house are still festooned with Halloween decorations ("Beware! Creepy Hollow!"), and a "Happy Birthday" streamer that was strung below the living room window Nov. 14, Tara's 31st birthday.

A teddy bear donning a "Teachers for Tara" T-shirt sits in a white folding chair. All this, cordoned off by yellow police crime scene tape stretched from pine tree to pine tree.

And, at Irwin County High School, where some students and faculty wear "FindTara.com" buttons, an enormous yellow banner hangs in the cafeteria. It's covered with handwritten wishes from students, including this from one of the many kids whose lives were touched by the popular, charismatic and vivacious American history teacher and former beauty queen:

"Come Home Soon, Chris P. — a/k/a 'Changed Man.' "

It's been more than three months since Grinstead disappeared, yet her presence is almost palpable in this small South Georgia town.

Last seen leaving a friend's cookout the night of Oct. 22, Grinstead was reported missing Oct. 24 when she didn't show up at school Monday morning.

"That day, nobody talked in the halls; nobody did anything," said Whitney Royal, a senior who took Grinstead's U.S. history class. "It was like the school was dead, because she wasn't here."

Despite several extensive searches by law enforcement and volunteers and smaller expeditions by family and friends, despite reward money that has now reached $200,000, the whereabouts of Grinstead remains a mystery.

Her disappearance has brought national attention to Ocilla, a town of 3,270.

CNN's Nancy Grace and Fox's Greta Van Susteren each have broadcast live from here, interviewing family members who have criticized the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and local law enforcement. That attention helped fuel rumors.

It's also left Wendy McFarland, Grinstead's teaching colleague, emotionally conflicted during each search for her friend.

"On one hand, you pray to God to find her," McFarland said. "On the other hand, you pray to God you don't find her. It's very conflicting. We have to find her, for the family, the school, the community, her friends. Good, bad or ugly, we need a resolution."

For Anita Gattis, Grinstead's older sister who's become the family spokeswoman, it's all "indescribable.''

"Sometimes, it's like this is a little snow globe at Christmas, with people and a little village, and it's like it's someone else's life. It's not. It's my family," she said.

The family — including Gattis' husband, Larry, a doctor whose practice is a little more than an hour away in Hawkinsville, their son Gabe, 13, and her mother, Connie — insist that Tara didn't simply leave town or disappear on her own.

"She was six weeks away from getting her third post-graduate degree, which would've upped her pay by about $10,000," said Anita Gattis. "And, she'd never do that to our mother."

Asked if she thinks her sister is still alive, Gattis nodded. "I've always been very adamant about that," she said. "Tara's a survivor and a fighter. She's one of God's good angels, and he wants her to still be on this earth."

Gattis feels her sister left with someone she knew on the night she disappeared. Her house was locked but her car, a pearl white Mitsubishi 3000 GT, was unlocked and in the carport, with $100 in the console and clay on the tires.

"Tara never left her car unlocked, and never drove on dirt roads," Gattis said.

"There was no struggle in the house. Tara was a singer; that was her talent in pageants," Gattis said of her sister, thrice crowned Miss Tifton and a contestant in several Miss Georgia pageants. "If someone was removing her, she'd project her voice. And she took self-defense. She'd go out kicking and screaming and fighting."

Myrtle and Joe Portier, the elderly couple who live next door to Grinstead, never heard any noise that October night.

Grinstead had spent the day at home, helping several of her students primp and prepare for the Miss Georgia Sweet Potato pageant that evening in nearby Fitzgerald.

"We thought she was home the whole time, with her car in the carport," said Myrtle Portier, who is very close to Grinstead. "We didn't realize until Monday morning, when she had no lights on."

Grinstead was taking graduate courses three nights a week at Valdosta State University and would turn on a lamp in the front corner room of her house, a signal to the Portiers that she was safely home.

"It does seem to be kind of an overwhelming and baffling case," said Ocilla police Chief Billy Hancock. "We've had missing persons before but usually those turn up in a few days — usually juveniles who come back to their homes."

More than three months later, Grinstead is still missing.

"I'm very pleased with the search, but not so pleased with the investigation," said Gattis.

She said her family, which has hired a private investigator and consulted psychics, wants more information from the GBI.

"It is still a very active investigation," GBI spokesman John Bankhead said. "We work on it daily. We've got leads we're pursuing. In a case like this, the family members get upset because it's not resolved. We want it resolved.

"There have been allegations by the family that we've mistreated them or dropped the ball," Bankhead said. "We understand their issues. We're doing everything we can to find out where she is."

Among the people investigators first interviewed were an ex-boyfriend of Grinstead and a former student.

Some friends and colleagues of Grinstead said they believed she'd unsuccessfully tried to reconcile with the boyfriend.

Lately, more rumors have taken hold. According to Gattis, "Last weekend, it was that the GBI surrounded my husband's office and took him out in handcuffs. Last Monday's was that I was arrested because I had murdered Tara and Larry had covered it up."

In a story on the CourtTV Crime Library Web site, Larry Gattis said he was questioned by investigators about rumors of a possible affair with Grinstead. If that were true, Gattis was quoted, "I wouldn't be alive right now. If you know my wife, I'd be pushing up daisies somewhere."

Instead, Gattis and his wife say they continue to push the investigation whenever possible.

On Park Street, Myrtle Portier cares for her neighbor's historically named pets: Dolly Madison, a year-old German shepherd, and a cat named Herman Talmadge. At Irwin County High, they're all trying to carry on as best as possible.

"She was — she is, I don't want to use the past tense — a very dear friend," Sandy McClurd said, her eyes quickly welling up.

McClurd, 57, a public relations specialist for the school system, said she and Grinstead quickly bonded despite their age difference.

"It was almost like we'd known each other a long time," said McClurd, who has purposely avoided walking by room 622 — Grinstead's old classroom — since her disappearance.

McClurd said Grinstead — who gave her phone number out to many students — felt every senior girl should attend the senior prom and bought some their prom dresses. Some paid her back $5 a week; others, $5 a month. It didn't matter.

"And I can't tell you how many yearbooks she's purchased for seniors," McClurd said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/stories/0205metteacher.html?imw=Y

believe09
05-11-2008, 05:18 PM
Great find, WindChime!! Clearly there is a discrepancy on the amount of money in the car. (Gattis said 100.00 in the above article and then 300.00 on Montel Williams-montel was filmed 2 months after this article was written.)

So I guess it comes back to why there was either 100.00 or 300.00 dollars in the car and the reason she had it....

christine2448
05-11-2008, 10:53 PM
Reading up on POI's..doing some searching.

I don't ever recall reading about 2 students, another besides AV, messing with Tara..?

At least two of her students had tried to create relationships with Grinstead at Irwin County High. Anthony Vickers, a former student of Grinstead’s, had been arrested after he was found at her house one night. He was investigated, and his parents’ property searched, but nothing was found. Another student, who remained unnamed, had been removed from her class after police found he was responsible for a series of threatening phone calls to Grinstead.

LINK (http://www.sundaypaper.com/More/EditorsBlog/tabid/138/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1306/Default.aspx)

believe09
05-12-2008, 12:22 AM
Reading up on POI's..doing some searching.

I don't ever recall reading about 2 students, another besides AV, messing with Tara..?

At least two of her students had tried to create relationships with Grinstead at Irwin County High. Anthony Vickers, a former student of Grinstead’s, had been arrested after he was found at her house one night. He was investigated, and his parents’ property searched, but nothing was found. Another student, who remained unnamed, had been removed from her class after police found he was responsible for a series of threatening phone calls to Grinstead.

LINK (http://www.sundaypaper.com/More/EditorsBlog/tabid/138/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1306/Default.aspx)

Yikes-she sure inspired some interesting behaviors in the people around her...I remember reading this, and I have to believe that this kid was pretty well vetted by GBI...I have no proof of that, lol.

The question for me is what would get Tara out of her bed after having apparently retired to it, where if a struggle ensued it seems to barely have disturbed anything in her house...or at least if things were disturbed it is hard to attribute it to anyone other than her cat, or people searching through her clothing....she didn't cry out, since she was 15 feet from the nearest house and had a big strong voice....It wasn't a call on her cell phone or landline...at least not one that has been discussed in the press. If someone came to her door, they risked being viewed by at least the Poirer's...something caused her to take her purse and keys, but not her cell phone. To possibly lock the front door, but to unlock her car-did she take something out of her car? I wonder if she didn't take her phone because the battery needed to be charged....this is assuming she went voluntarily with whomever might have stopped by.

So maddening!!!

RQ5
05-26-2008, 09:23 PM
Did Everyone Fall Off The Earth Or What ????

LillyRush
05-30-2008, 01:38 AM
Did Everyone Fall Off The Earth Or What ????

I don't know, but I asked about John David Anderson because I honestly have no idea who he is (other than an Ocilla cop) or why he fell into the POI category and no one answered.

docwho3
05-30-2008, 05:19 AM
I am still out here reading. I just have not had anything new to add yet. And I was also waiting to see how this new version of the case discussion goes.

believe09
06-30-2008, 06:15 PM
Snip
Van Zant said the similarities between the cases brought investigators on the Grinstead and Kesse cases together and the CBS crew followed Georgia investigators to Florida. An e-mail from CBS claims that investigators uncovered a clue that they believe is essential to solving the cases, but neither Van Zant nor Rothwell would comment on that subject.
Snip

Essential to solving the cases? So they are linked-amazing!!!!!

http://www.tiftongazette.com/local/local_story_179194729.html

Esah
06-30-2008, 11:02 PM
I'm glad that they are checking all possibilities, but I can't imagine a connection between these two cases. I just hope some real facts come out of the program tomorrow night. Things that will clear up at least a few things for us all.

Maybe this info will bring someone in the background of each case, to the forefront and talking to authorities. Something that will be pursuasive enough to break a long held silence.

Trino
07-02-2008, 06:38 AM
Snip
Van Zant said the similarities between the cases brought investigators on the Grinstead and Kesse cases together and the CBS crew followed Georgia investigators to Florida. An e-mail from CBS claims that investigators uncovered a clue that they believe is essential to solving the cases, but neither Van Zant nor Rothwell would comment on that subject.
Snip

Essential to solving the cases? So they are linked-amazing!!!!!

http://www.tiftongazette.com/local/local_story_179194729.html


Oscilla is so small that I have difficulty believing an outsider could slip in and out of the town w/o being seen. He would have had to hang around long enough to know where Tara lived or would have had to follow her, neither of which seem to me to be logical.

believe09
07-02-2008, 07:33 AM
I came in late to the special, but did not see any reference to the clue that might solve the "cases' as referred to in the article. Good to know that they got a good DNA sample off of the glove and it does not match anyone they collected from. Of course the question now becomes who did not provide samples, I guess, or was the person double gloved.

IIRC the glove was matched to the senior center-the same center that is now being used, or was being used as a command post...

gaia227
07-02-2008, 09:47 AM
I came in late to the special, but did not see any reference to the clue that might solve the "cases' as referred to in the article. Good to know that they got a good DNA sample off of the glove and it does not match anyone they collected from. Of course the question now becomes who did not provide samples, I guess, or was the person double gloved.

IIRC the glove was matched to the senior center-the same center that is now being used, or was being used as a command post...

Hi Believe - I watched from the beginning and they certainly never mentioned a clue that tied the two cases together. It is a tantilizing little piece of information though isn't it? I wish they would have made it a two hour special so they could spend an hour on each woman instead of just 30 minutes but either way it is great to see the huge publicity a show like 48hours gives to a case. My fiance had not heard of Tara or Jennifer......and I was like really? I thought everyone knew who Tara and/or Jennifer were.....he kindly reminded me that a lot of people do not frequent places like websleuths and watch Nancy Grace/Greta, etc.

christine2448
07-02-2008, 10:10 AM
I do not think the 2 cases are related, similar, not related. JMO.

I think we could find A LOT of cases that we could say have very similar circumstances.


Question, just because ICRS, Tara's keys/purse/phone...found or not? Same w/JK? Again, I don't think the cases are related, just curious about this detail. Please remind me? :D

angelwngs
07-02-2008, 10:48 AM
I do not think the 2 cases are related, similar, not related. JMO.

I think we could find A LOT of cases that we could say have very similar circumstances.


Question, just because ICRS, Tara's keys/purse/phone...found or not? Same w/JK? Again, I don't think the cases are related, just curious about this detail. Please remind me? :D

Tara's keys and purse were and are still missing. Her cell phone was found in her home attached to its charger.

If I remember correctly, JK's cell phone keys and purse were missing with JK and to my knowledge have not been found.

PandaJ
07-02-2008, 11:38 AM
Sorry to just chime in here, but I watched the special last night, and IIRC they had teams from both the Kesse case and the Grinstead case meet for a couple hours to discuss a possible link. At the end of the meeting, they said there was no luck, and that with the Kesse case it seems like more of a stranger abduction, and that with Grinstead, it looks like it could have been someone she knew.

jmo

believe09
07-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Hi Believe - I watched from the beginning and they certainly never mentioned a clue that tied the two cases together. It is a tantilizing little piece of information though isn't it? I wish they would have made it a two hour special so they could spend an hour on each woman instead of just 30 minutes but either way it is great to see the huge publicity a show like 48hours gives to a case. My fiance had not heard of Tara or Jennifer......and I was like really? I thought everyone knew who Tara and/or Jennifer were.....he kindly reminded me that a lot of people do not frequent places like websleuths and watch Nancy Grace/Greta, etc.

Thank you Gaia!

trixie
07-02-2008, 04:26 PM
I think it's a huge step in Tara's case in knowing that the male persons DNA is not in the database, nor is it matched to anyone tested so far. Elimination is just another way if figuring out whodunnit. Also they have a fingerprint that isn't in AFIS. That's important to know. This guy probably has never been arrested nor has he ever worked for the civil service in any capacity nor is he a doctor or nurse or CNA nor is he a serviceman or LE. All of those types of jobs and careers require fingerprint cards on file. Elimination is very important, IMO.
I think the biggest message LE wanted to get out by releasing that new info last night was to let anybody out there who might suspect somebody or might have some info but don't think it would be enough for LE to put the guy away , LE wanted them to know THEY HAVE HIS DNA and FINGERPRINTS!! They WILL put him away so it's ok to come forward. Nobody knew they had that solid evidence before last night. I think there is great hope that this case wil be solved now. I think Tara was beautiful and I've followed this case from a distance but I think now it will heat up. I'm praying it will at least.

Darlene733510
07-02-2008, 04:40 PM
I wonder if they took DNA samples from any of the men she worked with at the school? You never know these days where evil lurks.
I think there is a possibility that the person who did this is someone respected within the community, and they
think they will never be suspected or questioned. In small communities like this too many are related, and are not willing to speak up in fear of retaliation.

trixie
07-02-2008, 04:44 PM
I wonder what was going on with that married police officer from another town nearby? Neighbors said they saw him leaving her home in the late hours sometimes. But since he's LE I know they must have eliminated him. But I mean, were they having an affair? Did wifey find out?

gaia227
07-02-2008, 04:47 PM
Oh yeah, I would THINK that LE would request DNA/fingerprints from everyone she worked with at the high school. I would also explore the possibility of jealousy/envy stemming from her pagaent affliations. I could see another female who isn't as successful or pretty or talented as Tara who was also in the Pageant circuit becoming obessesed with her and not in a good way.

Darlene733510
07-02-2008, 05:26 PM
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?

Deborah1012
07-02-2008, 07:14 PM
I'm sure this means nothing but I noticed that the number on Tara's room at the school and the number on Jennifer's parking space were very similar. Both had 622 in them though Jennifer's parking space number had four digits.

trixie
07-02-2008, 07:31 PM
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?

Well anyone working with seniors would have to give fingerprints so I doubt it would be a worker there. However anybody could steal those gloves from there. They said it was the same senior citizen center they set her her headquarters at. Weird coincidence, I guess. I just wonder how they know that glove came from that place. You buy those by the box. Maybe CSI could match them to one of the boxes there. And was it a Senior Citizens Center or was it like a convelescent home for the elderly? i guess i need to do a lot of backtracking and read up on this case.

DEPUTYDAWG
07-02-2008, 08:56 PM
Well, I must admit I was a little surprised by this revelation and the emphasis they were giving to it. Although I haven't followed that case that closely, I thought maybe the glove was too obvious there; rather, that it might have been a plant. (If they aren't so sure a struggle happened in her home, and she may have left on her own accord with someone, or to meet someone someplace else, then why would there be a glove on the grass there?)

No matter, LE did great and they've got the DNA needed in the future, in hopes they'll get a match and haul someone in for further questioning. I hope they get the info they need. I'd love to see the showing of her case bring in the tip and info they need.

trixie
07-02-2008, 09:04 PM
I'm sure this means nothing but I noticed that the number on Tara's room at the school and the number on Jennifer's parking space were very similar. Both had 622 in them though Jennifer's parking space number had four digits.

I would think at this stage everything means something until it doesn't, KWIM? That's a nice catch, I didn't notice it. It seems like Jennifers was like 6223 or 6222 something that close.

trixie
07-02-2008, 09:09 PM
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?

Well what I find interesting about that too is that i think the person in the video walking past Jennifers gate looks like a female. She looks like she has her hair tucked up underneath her hat. They say "it's" between 5'3 and 5'5". The only thing that looks male on "it" is the feet as they are kinda big but it also looks like she is wearing shoes too big for her. It looks to me like they're too long up at the toe. But that is Jennifers case. So, ?????No wonder LE is going crazy over thses cases.

RememberTara
07-03-2008, 12:06 AM
I am also wondering if whoever took Tara could be a female. Maybe they need to start with the DNA of a certain persons GF.
I thought it odd that they said the glove came from the Senior Center(or did I get that wrong?). Could it be smeone older who visited in the area and became fixated on her?

I pulled up all the references to glove from the show. I think you misunderstood something that was said. I hope I didn't miss any.

But maybe most disturbing was a latex glove, found laying in the front yard.

Rothwell's initial impression? "It appeared that Tara may have left on her own. However, we had a glove, a latex glove that we couldn't explain. That glove indicates foul play to us."

Investigators sealed the house, and took Tara’s car and the glove in for processing. Then they started reconstructing her last known movements.


Ever since Tara disappeared, the GBI has refused to name any suspects in the case, and has remained tight-lipped about any evidence they have, until now: Rothwell says that latex glove could be a significant piece of evidence.

Just days after Tara went missing, Rothwell sent the glove to the GBI crime lab in Atlanta. Trace evidence specialist Larry Peterson wasn't optimistic. "It's my experience from past cases that latex gloves like this had a relatively low rate of success," he explains.

But in this case, investigators caught a lucky break: against all odds, investigators had recovered DNA-male profile DNA-from the glove.

In Ocilla, Ga., the unsolved case of Tara's disappearance now hinges on finding a DNA match to that glove found outside her home.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml

RememberTara
07-03-2008, 12:08 AM
There is a video of an interview by phone between Greta and Agent Rothwell

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

murdershewrote
07-03-2008, 01:33 PM
I though he said the print would need to be manually matched because it isn't clear enough to match thru the computer (paraphrasing here)...so I'm not getting why he is confident the case is going to be solved. I guess with the DNA they can eliminate alot of people.

docwho3
07-04-2008, 02:53 AM
I have not yet read all the info released but what I have been able to read so far has not yet made me turn the corner to believe foul play has for sure taken place. We (the public) always knew that if she left her car behind that Tara must have had some help in leaving. Since there are 2 sexes the odds were at least 50% that the helper would be a male.

What we (the public) don't yet know for certain is whether or not that help was against her will or in accordance with her will.

The glove has been a piece of evidence since the beginning and we always knew it might have DNA or a print, although until now neither was confirmed by L.E.

What I find interesting is that the print and DNA is not readily identifiable as being local, especially to those known to be closest to Tara.

If Tara is a runaway it would mean she found an unknown to assist her, somoene not known to be a regular person in her home life.

If she was a crime victim it could mean a stranger abduction or use of a "clean up" person to help after a crime had happened. But here again we (the public) run into the lack of any released evidence of a crime, such as blood stains or evidence of a clean up of a crime such as attempted bleaching out of stains or wiping of prints from some surfaces where the should be prints.

I still find myself asking where is evidence a crime happened? Yes we have a glove and it has prints and some DNA according to what I have read and watched in a Greta interview but do we have evidence of a crime?

IF this were a crime by a local and was not planned and the perp called in an unknown person to "clean up" the situation that would mean someone had to have access to a male that was not one of the 150 or so tested later including known locals but yet who was close enough to this sort of out of the way location to be called in and do the clean up and exit on very short notice. While having access to such a mystery helper on such short notice is possible it seems unlikely, especially in light of the alleged alibis that have been said to have checked out BUT if a crime occurred and if it was actually planned it might make more sense as to why an unkown was so readily available to do a "clean up" and why alibis were so handy. . . . .but here again I run into one bothersome question. Do we have evidence of a crime having taken place? Without such evidence we are only a little closer to solving the case because of the DNA and the print but not closer to proving it was infact a crime case.

If L.E. is sitting on evidence of foul play and yet gave interviews where they stated there was no evidence of foul play only they can say if that was best for the case but it certainly makes it harder on the public to look at things and make any sense of it all.

At this point we know the name of the missing person. We know someone probably "helped" her leave home. We now know that person was a male (if the meaning of the glove evidence has been interpreted correctly). What we don't know is whether she left with this male willingly or as a victim of foul play.

The glove does speak to a certain presence of mind which seems a little unusual if the whole thing were unplanned (whether unplanned runaway or unplanned crime) and I find that interesting too.

Ruflossn
07-04-2008, 10:06 AM
At this point we know the name of the missing person. We know someone probably "helped" her leave home. We now know that person was a male (if the meaning of the glove evidence has been interpreted correctly). What we don't know is whether she left with this male willingly or as a victim of foul play.

I am wondering if Tara left willingly and then things went awry. The person she left with went back to her residence to clean up any evidence of his ever being at her house. I would look at anyone who had easy access to latex gloves. I wear latex gloves everyday (due to my profession) there are a million different brands and companies that supply the product. I hope that LE has worked to find the origin of the glove. I would look at every dental office, medical office, retirement home, daycare, nursing home in the area. That glove will (hopefully bring an end) to this mystery.

trixie
07-04-2008, 01:01 PM
I thought there was evidence of a struggle or something of that nature in her bedroom and an overturned lamp, alarm clock knocked off on the floor and othere things i can'y remember right off the top of my head. Also wasn't the seat in her car positioned back as if a larger person were driving and forgot to move the seat back up to where she would have had it? Oh I truly believe there is evidence of a crime here. You DO have to taake into accoount what those who know her best have to say and they all say she would never just walkoff. I guess I'm failing to understand why you don't see any evidence of a crime and why you think she would just walk off.

Ruflossn
07-04-2008, 01:13 PM
Hi Trixie~
The paragraph below I copied and pasted from the post made by Docwho3.

At this point we know the name of the missing person. We know someone probably "helped" her leave home. We now know that person was a male (if the meaning of the glove evidence has been interpreted correctly). What we don't know is whether she left with this male willingly or as a victim of foul play.

I have not reviewed the evidence on this crime for quite awhile. I do remember something about the car seat.................. I have no idea if Tara left willingly or not. I tend to believe not. I DO think the glove will be the break that LE has needed to bring justice to this crime. I think the fact that DNA and finger prints not being in the system, speaks volumes. Do you have any other thoughts on this case?

Sorry for the confusion on my earlier post.

concernedperson
07-04-2008, 01:28 PM
There is a video of an interview by phone between Greta and Agent Rothwell

http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

In addition to DNA found on the glove belonging to a male I wonder if other evidence is on the glove that links Tara's disappearance with the glove wearer? Something of Tara's...it sure sounds like it in the interview.

LillyRush
07-07-2008, 01:46 AM
I wonder if they took DNA samples from any of the men she worked with at the school? You never know these days where evil lurks.
I think there is a possibility that the person who did this is someone respected within the community, and they
think they will never be suspected or questioned. In small communities like this too many are related, and are not willing to speak up in fear of retaliation.

I would imagine that her co-workers would also have their fingerprints on file, since they have to do a complete background check for all school staff. I think that would even cover school volunteers.

I'm wondering about Valdosta State where she was going back for the graduate program. Did they ever end up checking out any possible connection down there? I think that was one of the things her family mentioned they had to do on their own, talk to people at VSU.

Esah
08-19-2008, 08:48 PM
Does anyone know if any of the poi's are trained in martial arts?

Esah
08-27-2008, 09:50 AM
What has happened here is too much control. It was meant to clean house and restore the focus on Tara, but it also took away the freedom to post. No one knows what to say anymore because it may get deleted.

I understand what the intention was. It was meant to create a whole new energy, but by deleting hundreds of well thought out posts along with the detrimental ones, it made our time here feel futile. It has made it hard to know what is and isn't up for a discussion. The rules are clear and yet they seem to overshaddow. Windchime said in the other thread that anything is up for a discussion. Let's see.

Perhaps you are tired of trying, but Tara is still out there somewhere, and the perp is probably pretty smug since this board has died. It must have been a huge thorn in his side at one time. Let's really tick him off and start talking about this case again. Let's dig up stuff that we missed the first time. But in order to do this we are going to have to forget about our past upsets and start over.

Pretend for just a minute that your loved one is missing. It would hurt for you to come on here and see no discussion taking place. The list we have here is a good one. Pick the ones you know about and start a discussion. Maybe you have a thought that never got discussed. Please think about it and post it.

This site is a great place to come for intelligent discussion.

So please, Let's talk! For Tara's sake.:)

browneyedgirl
08-27-2008, 11:58 AM
What has happened here is too much control. It was meant to clean house and restore the focus on Tara, but it also took away the freedom to post. No one knows what to say anymore because it may get deleted.

I understand what the intention was. It was meant to create a whole new energy, but by deleting hundreds of well thought out posts along with the detrimental ones, it made our time here feel futile. It has made it hard to know what is and isn't up for a discussion. The rules are clear and yet they seem to overshaddow. Windchime said in the other thread that anything is up for a discussion. Let's see.

Perhaps you are tired of trying, but Tara is still out there somewhere, and the perp is probably pretty smug since this board has died. It must have been a huge thorn in his side at one time. Let's really tick him off and start talking about this case again. Let's dig up stuff that we missed the first time. But in order to do this we are going to have to forget about our past upsets and start over.

Pretend for just a minute that your loved one is missing. It would hurt for you to come on here and see no discussion taking place. The list we have here is a good one. Pick the ones you know about and start a discussion. Maybe you have a thought that never got discussed. Please think about it and post it.

This site is a great place to come for intelligent discussion.

So please, Let's talk! For Tara's sake.:)

Hi ya, Esah - I've missed chatting with you. I agree with your post whole heartedly and I'm willing to get back at the task at hand and refocus on bringing Tara home to her family and friends.....

So what shall be our first topic?.......

browneyedgirl
08-27-2008, 12:41 PM
I wonder if it has ever been reported what exactly led Tara to be concerned about MH behavior during their beach trip in July/August?

I know that once they returned from the trip, Tara was expressing concerns to LG and others.

Anyone know?

Esah
08-27-2008, 03:25 PM
Thank you Browneyedgirl,

I think I have forgotten more than I remember on this case. Can you refresh my memory with what happened at that time? Was that when Tara emailed her BIL about being afraid of MH? I'm not sure.

Mysterylover
08-29-2008, 01:05 PM
At this point we know the name of the missing person. We know someone probably "helped" her leave home. We now know that person was a male (if the meaning of the glove evidence has been interpreted correctly). What we don't know is whether she left with this male willingly or as a victim of foul play.

I am wondering if Tara left willingly and then things went awry. The person she left with went back to her residence to clean up any evidence of his ever being at her house.

I would look at anyone who had easy access to latex gloves.

I wear latex gloves everyday (due to my profession) there are a million different brands and companies that supply the product.

I hope that LE has worked to find the origin of the glove.

I would look at every dental office, medical office, retirement home, daycare, nursing home in the area.
That glove will (hopefully bring an end) to this mystery....

LE carry latex gloves and some also go to retirement homes.

Let's hope LE checks anyone, neighbors, Le, ambulance drivers, everyone at the bar-B-que and especially the person that called Tara so many, many times that night.
Check out everyone that works or visits old age homes.

Mysterylover
08-29-2008, 01:21 PM
I wonder if it has ever been reported what exactly led Tara to be concerned about MH behavior during their beach trip in July/August?

I know that once they returned from the trip, Tara was expressing concerns to LG and others.

Anyone know?...

I do not know..

What I do know is: someone had BAD intentions that night and were 'wise' enough to be prepared, by wearing the rubber gloves.

LillyRush
08-30-2008, 10:49 PM
I never even realized that Tara had gone to the beach with Marcus. Did they really? I thought that they had gradually been spending less and less time together and had only gone to one movie that summer? Or, at least, that's what I remember Marcus saying in his Greta Van Susteren interview.

Esah
08-31-2008, 02:59 PM
Letsthink, we can't assume that the glove was used to adbuct Tara. That glove could have been dropped any time between late Saturday night and when JP found it, monday morning. Someone might have had a reason to go back into Tara's house to cover up the abduction. Perhaps to set the lamp back on the night stand or plug the clock back in, make her bed look slept in, and most importantly to carefully remove any evidence that they were there. IMO only a very trained person could think of everything when it comes to erasing evidence.

The GBI did say that the glove found, had a connection to Tara. What that connection is, still remains to be known by us.

I still feel that the taking of Tara was not premeditated. But I do feel that more than one person needed to go to her house after she was abducted for some reason. And needing gloves was a part of their visit.

I didn't think of this until now, but maybe the gloves were also used to drive Tara's car back to her house.

LillyRush
09-01-2008, 11:16 PM
Esah, That is a good point about using the gloves to drive her car back to the house. That would certainly explain the lack of prints, other than Tara's, in the car. That also could explain why the glove ended up being left behind in the yard, if the person was quickly running away from the scene after parking her car and not paying attention to anything else other than getting out of there.

Is it possible that Tara had a supply of these gloves in her own house? Of course, that would point to someone who would have known where to find that type of thing within her home. But, that would explain why they are connecting them to Tara - instead of just thinking it's some random thing that got blown into her yard - and then from there they just need to figure out who the guy is who left dna on those gloves. Of course, the possible bitemark that SuziQ saw on there is obviously another way they could have made a connection.

Also, I don't think these gloves are necessarily tied to any particular occupation. I mean, they can be..but they can also be purchased by almost anyone. Sometimes they even get donated to places like food banks or other large volunteer events where people are serving things to the public.

Esah
09-02-2008, 08:05 AM
You bring up some very good points Lily. Especially that of the supply of gloves possibly being from Tara's house and that being the connection to them.

I googled 'latex gloves' one day and found that there are many different types. One kind in particular, stood out to me it's the type that has no powder residue inside, (which is for easy on and off). It says it is used by surgeons and crime scene investigators, to name a few, so that it doesn't leave a residue. It would corrupt the gathering of information by its own powder. If there was a residue in the glove and the person was swabbed for this powder it could have easily connected them to the scene.

This would mean that the person who had it, had knowledge of how important this evidence at a crime scene would be. It still leaves the door wide open as to who could have held the glove but interesting still.

Mysterylover
09-04-2008, 09:29 PM
Esah, That is a good point about using the gloves to drive her car back to the house.

That would certainly explain the lack of prints, other than Tara's, in the car.

That also could explain why the glove ended up being left behind in the yard, if the person was quickly running away from the scene after parking her car and not paying attention to anything else other than getting out of there.

Is it possible that Tara had a supply of these gloves in her own house? Of course, that would point to someone who would have known where to find that type of thing within her home. But, that would explain why they are connecting them to Tara - instead of just thinking it's some random thing that got blown into her yard - and then from there they just need to figure out who the guy is who left dna on those gloves. Of course, the possible bite-mark that SuziQ saw on there is obviously another way they could have made a connection.

Also, I don't think these gloves are necessarily tied to any particular occupation. I mean, they can be..but they can also be purchased by almost anyone. Sometimes they even get donated to places like food banks or other large volunteer events where people are serving things to the public.....

IF Tara's car was driven back to her house, and parked, did the guy straighten-up her house, then get in another vehicle that had been left there and leave or walk to his house?
Any person that would have the 'nerve' to drive the car back with rubber gloves, clean her house, would have to know her very well...that was NO stranger...

someone knew HOW to cover-up a murder scene....DNA and evidence.

Was the rubber glove dropped between her car and the house OR on 'his' way leaving the property?

Esah
09-05-2008, 09:10 AM
The glove was found in the opposite direction of the driveway. It was a few feet from the front door step and towards the next door neighbors house. Not easily visible by someone walking up to the front door from the driveway. Meaning it was not in that normal path. Am I making sense? :)

Also, it was that neighbor that found the glove.

gaia227
09-10-2008, 11:32 AM
Okay, please don't flame me for posting this. Someone posted this link in the Maura Murray thread and I read the reading on Tara. I am VERY skeptical of these kinds of things but I still can't help but find it a little bit interesting to read.......

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/tara-grinstead.html

On a more realistic note regarding the glove - how certain can we be that the glove was not blown into the yard or was just discarded there carelessly?

concernedperson
09-10-2008, 12:42 PM
Okay, please don't flame me for posting this. Someone posted this link in the Maura Murray thread and I read the reading on Tara. I am VERY skeptical of these kinds of things but I still can't help but find it a little bit interesting to read.......

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/tara-grinstead.html

On a more realistic note regarding the glove - how certain can we be that the glove was not blown into the yard or was just discarded there carelessly?

Thank you very much for the link. I found it very interesting as well and will pass it on to others that may be able to help. I have also printed it out to reread when time permits as I may have some comments myself.

The glove was discarded probably unintentionally/accidently. GBI has connected the glove to Tara's disappearance so we can assume there is her DNA or other forensics that identify Tara to this glove as well as the unknown DNA belonging to a male.

angelwngs
09-10-2008, 03:03 PM
Okay, please don't flame me for posting this. Someone posted this link in the Maura Murray thread and I read the reading on Tara. I am VERY skeptical of these kinds of things but I still can't help but find it a little bit interesting to read.......

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/tara-grinstead.html

On a more realistic note regarding the glove - how certain can we be that the glove was not blown into the yard or was just discarded there carelessly?

Very interesting, indeed. Thank you, gaia.

Trino
09-10-2008, 10:16 PM
I thought the glove had no match yet, except male. If the match turns out to be non-local, I think there's a case, but if it's local, hey, the wind could have blown it there. IMO a local wouldn't be convicted on a glove match.

concernedperson
09-10-2008, 10:57 PM
I thought the glove had no match yet, except male. If the match turns out to be non-local, I think there's a case, but if it's local, hey, the wind could have blown it there. IMO a local wouldn't be convicted on a glove match.

No match as of the 48 Hours showing in July 2008 (that I know of) although it was male DNA. I understand what you are saying about a local and the wind blowing. I kinda think it was similar to what Gaia posted on her link but that is just a guess.I think this was a "little help from your friends" kind of disappearance and it certainly doesn't preclude a local from orchestrating the disappearance. Just my experience with this case and lots of input from locals and others. JMO.

ZooKeeper
09-11-2008, 10:38 AM
Well, we know of one person who was there that night, because he left a business card. It's been a long time and I will have to find a link, if no one remembers that. Also, we know who was at the houses that night. As for the glove, who knows, but LE has had it for a long time and I don't see any results yet.

concernedperson
09-11-2008, 10:51 AM
Well, we know of one person who was there that night, because he left a business card. It's been a long time and I will have to find a link, if no one remembers that. Also, we know who was at the houses that night. As for the glove, who knows, but LE has had it for a long time and I don't see any results yet.


I believe you are speaking of HD but he wasn't there until Sunday night/Monday AM after Tara hadn't answered any phone calls all throughout the day on Sunday. He was in contact with Tara's mother and left a business card at that time.

Tara was last heard from on Saturday night/Sunday AM and the last known people to see her were the BBQ/cookout attendees at the Davis house.

When you say "we know who was at the houses that night" which night and whose houses?

ZooKeeper
09-11-2008, 08:54 PM
Your right, but I believe that we don't know exactly when Tara went missing. I have read everything a dozen times but not recently and you know what they say about the mind being the first thing to go. But it does seem to me so many things could have happened. She was last seen at the cook out, and then not reported missing until Monday morning when she didn't show up for school. That does not mean she went missing for sure Friday night does it? This case is so close to my heart and the one that brought me to first SM and from there I found a link to WS where I have lurked every since. I will pull out my info, and reread my notes. I do pray that one way or another Tara will come home. I'm glad for your interest in this case, and for all the others who have kept it going on this site.

RememberTara
09-11-2008, 10:03 PM
Your right, but I believe that we don't know exactly when Tara went missing. I have read everything a dozen times but not recently and you know what they say about the mind being the first thing to go. But it does seem to me so many things could have happened. She was last seen at the cook out, and then not reported missing until Monday morning when she didn't show up for school. That does not mean she went missing for sure Friday night does it? This case is so close to my heart and the one that brought me to first SM and from there I found a link to WS where I have lurked every since. I will pull out my info, and reread my notes. I do pray that one way or another Tara will come home. I'm glad for your interest in this case, and for all the others who have kept it going on this site.

The cookout was Saturday night. Tara was last seen around 11 PM Saturday night when she left the cookout.

concernedperson
09-11-2008, 10:41 PM
The cookout was Saturday night. Tara was last seen around 11 PM Saturday night when she left the cookout.

Zookeeper, RT has the correct info. Tara went missing Saturday night/Sunday AM not Friday or Sunday night PM or Monday AM. The time frame for her missing is after 11 PM Saturday night but before Sunday afternoon.

Esah
09-12-2008, 08:56 AM
Okay, please don't flame me for posting this. Someone posted this link in the Maura Murray thread and I read the reading on Tara. I am VERY skeptical of these kinds of things but I still can't help but find it a little bit interesting to read.......

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/tara-grinstead.html

On a more realistic note regarding the glove - how certain can we be that the glove was not blown into the yard or was just discarded there carelessly?

Gaia, thank you for this link. I found this information of Caroline's to be very interesting. She did a lot of work on it too. I have asked her if she could answer a few more questions. One of them being 'when will Tara be found?' As accurate as I feel much of her interpretation was, I would be interested to know what time frame she sees Tara being found in.

ZooKeeper
09-13-2008, 06:21 PM
Sorry, You are right about the day, I knew it was Sat night, just miss posted that..Thanks for setting me straight.

ZooKeeper
09-14-2008, 09:17 AM
My point in the post was that from the time TG left the cookout until the time she did not report to school, we have no clue what happened. She could have stopped somewhere, met someone for a few minutes, had someone waiting for her at home, we just don't know. We do know that HD was at her house on Sunday night early Monday morning, a very long way from home, his business card was in TG's front door, he said he left it there so that she would know he had been there. He may have given one to FG later, he was also more than a "childhood" friend. I'm not saying he was involved in anything that happened to TG.

I know TG was a good person, but she also had a private life. And I won't post anything that puts her in a bad light. I believe someone harmed her, I don't know who, but I do hope that soon there is closure in this case. Of course this is JMO,

Judelize
09-18-2008, 07:05 AM
Tara was becoming a problem to her ex. She was doing the emotional breakdown thing and even involved his parents. She would not accept that he had moved on. Sounds like she wanted to rattle him and his teen girlfriends little world as well. Therein lies the answer, as far as I am concerned. Tara was becoming a problem to you know whom, and had to go. Problem solved.

Esah
09-19-2008, 09:51 AM
Hi Judelize,

How would you like us to respond to your post? It will get the dander up in some and a high five in others. But surely you thought of this when you made such a specific statement.

I wish it were that simple. It would make the case an open and shut one. But it isn't shut and three years have gone by. Why do you think no one has been arrested yet? Not trying to sound like a smart a$$, just asking.:)

It could very well be as simple as you think, and many will agree with you too. Since LE is leaning towards two people being involved in Tara's disappearance, would you say the second is this teenager, or a friend or even a hired gun? Whose dna do you think is on this glove? And do you think the gloves' owner will be the missing link in a convinction?

My2CentsWorth
09-21-2008, 07:31 PM
Is there a known POI that fits the description given in the "chart" it was very interesting. I'm new to this site I live near TG's hometown and am fascinated with all of these kind of stories glad I found this site.

Judelize
09-22-2008, 03:14 AM
Hi Esah

My statement was not intended to appear specific or get the dander up in some. I should perhaps have added "in my opinion". This is how I have felt since the case started. I have bottled up my views for 3 years, and after eventually joining, could not resist voicing my opinion. Chances are very good I am wrong. I don;t think we will ever know (don't you just hate that). If there was a second person involved I would lean towards 'friend". Probably the 'friend's" DNA. This would be the missing link in a conviction..I think. Thanks for your patience and response fellow sleuther!

Esah
09-22-2008, 08:15 AM
Thanks Judelize and for what it's worth, I agree with your first scenario. Until we get more info, that is where I think most of us are leaning. It just seems to be the way most of the cases like this one, end up.

One thing that still bothers me about Tara's ex, MH, is that if he was so trained in many different areas, ie Military and Le, why wasn't he front and center on the searches? He could have been there as a friend and do what friends do in a situation like this. Just because AG said something to him, that most likely ticked him off, should not have even have ruffled that guys feathers. To those of us on the outside, it looks like she scared him off. For a guy with a macho ego, why didn't he prove her wrong or just not care what she said and be there anyway? I just don't know the answer, but it makes me think worse things about him. JMO

And Tara bought a new door lock, the week she disappeared. Why? What could be the reason for that? She only mentioned to a friend that she bought the lock. She did not elaborate on why. I could easily guess why, but I could just as easily be wrong too.

Welcome My2CentsWorth! glad you found us. Perhaps you will have the fresh new set of eyes that Tara's case needs!

My2CentsWorth
09-22-2008, 05:48 PM
Thanks for the welcome! We are fast approaching the 3 year mark and as far as talk of the case in Hawkinsville you just don't hear much about it anymore.(sadly) I think it is all a shame. The biggest "rumor" in the small town was that LG the BIL was involved. To what extent?, who knows. All I know is H'ville is a small town with "small town" morals and he and other married men that she could have been envoled with had all the motive they could need, "their reputation". My thought and it's just that a thought has always been that she could have been pregnant, just found out, & told who ever the father was, and he happened to be married. This could have caused a major disturbance in a married man's life and reputation to the point he thought he had to "get rid of her". JMO What do ya'll think? Like I said I'm new here this theory may have already been discussed.

concernedperson
09-22-2008, 06:00 PM
Thanks for the welcome! We are fast approaching the 3 year mark and as far as talk of the case in Hawkinsville you just don't hear much about it anymore.(sadly) I think it is all a shame. The biggest "rumor" in the small town was that LG the BIL was involved. To what extent?, who knows. All I know is H'ville is a small town with "small town" morals and he and other married men that she could have been envoled with had all the motive they could need, "their reputation". My thought and it's just that a thought has always been that she could have been pregnant, just found out, & told who ever the father was, and he happened to be married. This could have caused a major disturbance in a married man's life and reputation to the point he thought he had to "get rid of her". JMO What do ya'll think? Like I said I'm new here this theory may have already been discussed.

I would say that rumor was floating in Ocilla vs. Hawkinsville. But that is just my opinion. I also think that the Ocilla "market" loves to point out that Tara dated several people. She professed her love for one over and over but it was unrequited and he was an Ocillian and had a rocky relationship with Tara for several years. The last weeks before her disappearance this person played heavily in her daily actions trying to get him to respond to her. Alas, it didn't happen the way she wanted as there is no happily ever after.

My2CentsWorth
09-22-2008, 06:16 PM
In my first post I questioned if we know of any POI that fits the discription given by the astrology person (sorry if I offend anybody, don't know what to call her) in her chart. The part where she mentions it to be a light haired, broad shouldered man who's spine may be distinct with his shirt off? Do you have any ideas

Esah
09-23-2008, 10:19 AM
In my first post I questioned if we know of any POI that fits the discription given by the astrology person (sorry if I offend anybody, don't know what to call her) in her chart. The part where she mentions it to be a light haired, broad shouldered man who's spine may be distinct with his shirt off? Do you have any ideas

That's a good question My2. I don't know of anyone.

Esah
09-27-2008, 06:01 PM
I read somewhere that TES (TexasEquusearch) is coming back to Ocilla. This is great news! I don't know of a date yet. If I find out, I will post it here. But they must have a good reason for doing one at this point in time. My mind is spinning with speculation as to why they would be returning to search, but I am so glad that they are coming. I read too, that they need donations. I went to their website and it is quite easy to donate there.

My2CentsWorth
09-28-2008, 08:14 AM
AWESOME!! Great news Esah! You are right that is VERY interesting. They must know a little something we don't for them to be comming back. Thanks for posting. My child goes to school in Hawkinsville and I have several friends that work there I will see if there is any new "buzz" around the school.

Esah
09-28-2008, 02:21 PM
Thanks My2, I would like to know anything local that we can find out about this.

Esah
09-29-2008, 08:11 AM
I am sad to report that TES is not coming to Ocilla after all. The person who originally shared this has since found out that it is not the truth. They have apologized for sharing it without substantiating it first. But I am sure that many of us would have done the very same thing as she.

Tara is out there and it is my fervent belief that she will be found. We will not give up.

So lets just think of something. A new look at old details. Another look at newer details, such as the glove and a second person involved in Tara's disappearance. Tara deserves our attention and our prayers, so lets keep both going.

My2CentsWorth
09-29-2008, 09:11 AM
That's too bad. You are right though Tara still needs our attention, she is out there somewhere and somebody knows where!!

concernedperson
09-30-2008, 10:50 AM
Tara's case is featured on the front page of CNN online. It is a Nancy Grace cold case synopsis. This is helpful to keep Tara's name out there and hopefully generate new tips. Someone knows what happened to Tara and where she is.

It would be great if a couple of these tidbits we have heard lately are getting the perp (s) nervous. Maybe one of them will slip up?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/30/grace.beauty.missing/index.html

hellolovely
09-30-2008, 11:41 AM
I didn't realize the results from the glove testing were inconclusive....

concernedperson
09-30-2008, 11:47 AM
I didn't realize the results from the glove testing were inconclusive....

Unidentified male DNA and something that links Tara to the glove. This was all reported in the 48 Hours episode and an interview conducted by Greta Van Susteran given by GBI SAC Gary Rothwell in July 2008. GBI hasn't ruled out third party involvement. Maybe they found a match recently...wouldn't that be wonderful!!!!

Esah
09-30-2008, 12:56 PM
Tara's case is featured on the front page of CNN online. It is a Nancy Grace cold case synopsis. This is helpful to keep Tara's name out there and hopefully generate new tips. Someone knows what happened to Tara and where she is.

It would be great if a couple of these tidbits we have heard lately are getting the perp (s) nervous. Maybe one of them will slip up?

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/30/grace.beauty.missing/index.html

Thanks Concernedperson, for this link. And for keeping up with Tara's case. There aren't many of us left.

Esah
10-14-2008, 08:50 AM
I don't have anything to add really, just thinking about Tara this morning. The 3rd anniversary of her disappearance will be on October 22nd. I cannot imagine why it has taken this long to find her.

Would you please take a brief moment each day and ask for God to put His light around this case and bring it to a close?

lobo34
10-22-2008, 08:59 AM
It's been 3 years ago today since Tara was last seen. Tara, you are still in the thoughts and prayers of many, and we have not forgotten you.

Please everyone, light a candle for Tara, she is forever in many of our hearts.

Trino
10-22-2008, 09:11 AM
I, too, remembered. This is also the date that Jacob Wetterling disappeared 19 years ago.

Esah
10-22-2008, 10:14 AM
Dearest Tara,
It doesn't seem possible that you have been gone three years. Some say that we are no closer to finding you today than we were three years ago, but I feel that we are much closer. Because if time is the only reason for us not finding you yet, then we have three less years to wait.

Bless you for all that you experienced that fateful day. I pray that your heart is filled with God's infinite love and that you have found his peace as well.

I also pray for those whom you loved, who are still here and who still don't know what happened to you. They also need to receive our prayers for peace and love, and most of all an understanding of God's Divine timing. One of the mysteries in this case.

I am praying for the person who changed the course of your life that day. That he will see the light of wisdom shining on what he did to you and that he will make things right by what he did to you.

Last of all, I am praying for the people who are working diligently at the GBI and local LE in solving Tara's case.

God Bless all who continue to help find Tara.
Esah

Tammie63
10-22-2008, 11:45 AM
When this case first happened I never dreamed that three yrs later we would still be looking and wondering what exactly happened to Tara.
Like you Esah, I pray that local LE and GBI are lead to the person responsible for this and that there will be justice for Tara.

s_finch
10-22-2008, 08:22 PM
Dearest Tara,
It doesn't seem possible that you have been gone three years. Some say that we are no closer to finding you today than we were three years ago, but I feel that we are much closer. Because if time is the only reason for us not finding you yet, then we have three less years to wait.

Bless you for all that you experienced that fateful day. I pray that your heart is filled with God's infinite love and that you have found his peace as well.

I also pray for those whom you loved, who are still here and who still don't know what happened to you. They also need to receive our prayers for peace and love, and most of all an understanding of God's Divine timing. One of the mysteries in this case.

I am praying for the person who changed the course of your life that day. That he will see the light of wisdom shining on what he did to you and that he will make things right by what he did to you.

Last of all, I am praying for the people who are working diligently at the GBI and local LE in solving Tara's case.

God Bless all who continue to help find Tara.
Esah

Beautifully said.

concernedperson
10-22-2008, 09:49 PM
Beautifully said.

Esah is a beautiful person and one,in all this tragedy, I am proud to have known. I know I can pick up the phone and call her and she will always be receptive. I know that when I start to pull my hair out over this case, she will be the calming guiding light and make me get focused again. Most of all I know that the journey to find Tara is not a lonely one....it isn't lonely at all.

Tara, if you are listening, we will never stop looking for you and what happened to you. Hours, days and years but we will never stop.

Esah
10-29-2008, 10:26 AM
Thank you CP for such nice words.

Tara is filling my mind this morning. I have been to a few other sites just reading, but something is nagging at me that I just can't shake. So I figured that if I just start writing, maybe it would surface.

I don't want Tara to fade away and become a cold case. I made a promise to her, spiritually, that I would stay with her until she was found. This is taking a lot longer than I thought it would, but I couldn't close this door even if I tried. And honestly, I have tried three different times. Times when I felt spent and hopeless against the lack of real movement in her case. But something always happens when I try to close this door. Tara reaches out to me each time. Out of the blue someone will email me and ask me about Tara's case, or it may be a phone call, or it is just that God fills my heart with a new sense of courage to keep trying. The result is that I am still here after 3 years.

Sometimes, as I read others' posts, who have been here the same length of time, I think of what keeps them going too. I know that God must be working through their hearts as well. Tara is being blessed in so many ways. It is important that we don't forget that.

For a while, I thought that I was just a mediocre psychic. I mean, how could I keep missing the only detail that really matters in this case? That being where she is. But now I have come to realize that I am doing the best I know how to and that God has a perfect ending to this that none of us are yet to be privvy to. Some days, like this one, I find my self saying to God "Today seems like a good day to bring her home. Please let it be today". When it doesn't happen, I know that it will come, even if it's not today.

If Tara's family are reading this today, I want you to know that I feel that Tara is truly an angel. Because in my opinion, only an angel could capture so many people's hearts and keep us thinking about her every day for this long. And she will keep a light in our hearts long after she is found. That's what angels do.

In closing, I dont' know if I am any further along, then when I started this post, but maybe you will feel Tara too and that will just be enough for today. Just to know that she is with you and thankful for all that you are doing.

sariebell
10-29-2008, 08:19 PM
I can't believe it's been 3 years. I followed this case from the beginning, for I have been to the area where she lives and I teach school. I guess I just wanted some resolution for her poor soul. We have to keep the case on the fore front or else it will be relegated to the back burner.

browneyedgirl
10-30-2008, 11:29 AM
Esah - what a beautiful post above. All so true that it brings a tear to my eye. Tara has been on my mind alot lately too. I know the 3rd year anniversary just occured on the 28th and that her birthday is arriving soon, 11/14, so I guess thats why she is on my mind lately.

I find myself having thoughts about her abducter/murderer and how he is coping with these anniversaries approaching. I wonder if Tara is still haunting his dreams? I would like to be able to agree with the poster who stated that they are not going to declare Tara dead, just missing...but I'm afraid that I wouldn't be true to my heart by stating that as fact, I do believe that Tara has met her demise and my prayer is that we are able to find her this year and bring her home.

concernedperson
10-30-2008, 11:16 PM
Esah - what a beautiful post above. All so true that it brings a tear to my eye. Tara has been on my mind alot lately too. I know the 3rd year anniversary just occured on the 28th and that her birthday is arriving soon, 11/14, so I guess thats why she is on my mind lately.

I find myself having thoughts about her abducter/murderer and how he is coping with these anniversaries approaching. I wonder if Tara is still haunting his dreams? I would like to be able to agree with the poster who stated that they are not going to declare Tara dead, just missing...but I'm afraid that I wouldn't be true to my heart by stating that as fact, I do believe that Tara has met her demise and my prayer is that we are able to find her this year and bring her home.

I do believe Tara is dead and that this occurred sometime after 11 PM on the 22nd of October. I have gone back and forth for three years over this. I do believe that she was abducted from her home probably around 1 AM and she was lured by someone who sold her a story. The unknown DNA male.

I also think I know who is behind this and it doesn't matter what his excuses/alibis are. He only cares about himself and his needs for whatever time. He is just like every other abuser/murderer we see daily it is just that he is getting away with it longer than I would like or Tara's family would like.

His last girlfriend dissed him for a firefighter which was a good choice on her
part. This may have saved her life.

browneyedgirl
11-04-2008, 12:30 PM
I do believe Tara is dead and that this occurred sometime after 11 PM on the 22nd of October. I have gone back and forth for three years over this. I do believe that she was abducted from her home probably around 1 AM and she was lured by someone who sold her a story. The unknown DNA male.

I also think I know who is behind this and it doesn't matter what his excuses/alibis are. He only cares about himself and his needs for whatever time. He is just like every other abuser/murderer we see daily it is just that he is getting away with it longer than I would like or Tara's family would like.

His last girlfriend dissed him for a firefighter which was a good choice on her
part. This may have saved her life.

HI CP. Its been so long since weve been here at the same time that I miss chatting with you. I agree with your post entirely, as I have always in the past. I do believe that Tara is gone from this earth and that she is with her mother in Heaven. Im glad that her mother finally has the answers that she longed for in life.

I hope that this will be the last birthday she has to spend alone in an unmarked grave. I hope by this time next year, she will be in a place where her family can visit with her.

I also hope that this will be the last year that her murderer is able to escape justice. I hope this time next year we will be gearing up for his murder trial.

How is the local gossip there? Anything being said at all or is it just a horrible memory fading from minds? I google the local news weekly but, nothing really ever in print, not that there ever has been. Just wonderin what was being said around town?

Im glad to know that his gf got rid of him before he wiped her off the face of the earth, too. I bet that didnt go over well with his arrogance. Do you think she was involved in anyway with Tara's plight? i have always wondered if they didnt show up at the BBQ that night? I dont know, the more I go over this case, the more it seems Im chasing my tail.

Ill look forward to maybe being able to run into each other on the board.

Esah
11-30-2008, 04:01 PM
I hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving. I managed to get sick and didn't get to go to Grandmother's House for dinner! Since my whole family weren't feeling much better than me, my mom and dad brought all the fixins over and we ate very good food. I was thankful for a caring family.

I think about Tara's family at every holiday and how hard it must be for them to get together and enjoy themselves. Even though Tara would want them to be happy, I'm sure it's hard to just the same.

So many times in the past three years, I have tried to re-invent my search for Tara. Try to start over or look at old details in a new way.

I used to have a thread this site that I would post directly to "the person who took Tara'. It was very therapeutic to me to be able to tell this annonymous person what I thought of them and try so many times to encourage them to come forward. I miss that thread but after all that I have said to them, I dont' think that there is much more that I could say to them that would make any more difference than the other posts. I think it just made me feel like I was doing something when nothing else was happening.

Whether I am posting a message to this man publicly or not, I am still doing it in prayer every day. So please keep Tara's case in your prayers. I have seen the power of prayer displayed so many times in my life, and well... we simply don't know how our prayers will work. We just need to know that they do work.

Proud Country Gal
12-15-2008, 04:58 PM
Esah, I pray that new light will be shed on Tara's where abouts and who took her.

Did the paper do a "remember/look back" on her case?
If not, could we see if we could get them to?

A old case in my hometown was solved after many many years because of a "look back" at the case in the local paper.

(I am new to the site and I am still trying to catch up all the cases and info so please forgive me if this question has been answered or seems :silenced: dumb.)

concernedperson
12-15-2008, 09:20 PM
Welcome Proud Country Gal. I don't know of any look backs this year but there was news this summer with the 48 Hours episode. You will find it here. The most significant thing is that male DNA was found on the glove and the glove was tied to Tara. GBI hypothesized that the glove contained third party DNA but nothing else has been said since that time.This would mean that they think Tara's abductor had involvement with someone she knew.

Since it is a mystery to us, all the findings, it would be nice to have a new perspective.

Also, Tara's mother died this summer prior to the showing and I imagine the family has been grieving the loss and not able to actively seek a retrospective from the media. LE, typically, doesn't do that but maybe it is in order.

Proud Country Gal
12-15-2008, 11:05 PM
Thank you for the info.
I didn't get to watch the 48 Hours episode I will have to go and watch it.
I promise I will try not to ask to many stupid questions.

CanManEh
12-17-2008, 06:14 AM
I dont know where you guys got your info about the third party dna and that its inconclusive...if you go to on the record with greta you can watch that interview he the policeman does not say that at all he says they found dna and fingerprints .the fingerprints arent in great shape so they cant be put in the computer data base they have to be done manually but the dna is fine there has just not been a hit yet he also says they got well over 150 people to give a dna sample before they released the info that they had dna from that glove so theres no way even in 3 years that they have tested all 150 samples ..Id also like to say something else I have no idea what its like there but i do think its alot of woods surrounding that town and i dont think the poi could be gone long with out attracting attention to himself/herself so my point is im not sure why i have this feeling but i do ..i think its a place where there are alot of deer which would mean alot of hunters and they usually find something .which leads me to think she is somewhere the hunters arent .which is private property and i know or i heard that one poi weather it was his place or his parents place was all private property..thats just some of my thoughts could be way off for all i know there may be no deer for miles ..but anyone go to greta van sustren and her site on the record scroll down and listen for yourselves about the glove...

Esah
12-17-2008, 09:07 AM
Who said it was inconclusive CanManEh? I don't see where anyone said that. And I may not know much about dna and testing, but I would think they could have gone through 150 samples by now. Especially with this case being so important to the GBI. I've only watched CSI!! but it seems to me that they have a sample, they pop it in their machine and whaalaa they have an answer. Again, I don't know much about this, but I am thinking they have tested it all.

Don't forget that they have had this glove and its dna since they picked it up in Tara's front yard, 3 years ago. Not just since the 48 hours show aired. They were pretty clear that they have a man's dna, they just don't have a match.

I like your thinking about the hunting and not putting Tara's body in a place that hunters would find it. This would also mean that her killer would be local to know where NOT to leave her body. Private property is still something LE would want to search, as long as they feel there is a connection to the case. A smart man might know the area and put Tara in a place that he knows about but is in no way connected to!

CanManEh
12-18-2008, 03:27 AM
I never even seen the 48 hours show as i said 3 times in my post go to ON THE RECORD and you can listen to the gbi lead detective talk for 4 minutes on the glove alone go there and listen for yourself...as for it being inconclusive i was the one saying it was not inconclusive i was agreeing with you that they did get a full profile but i did read somewhere on this thread someone saying the glove or the dna came back inconclusive maybe thats just what they thought i dont know i know what i know go to gretta and listen ...and theres a reason that alot of cold cases dont get solved for a few extra years even when they have a dna slide ...its because of money its not free ya know and it cost a hell of alot so no they would not have all 150 done yet they would do there top say 30 poi.s and then they would more then likelu slow down some .....just take some free advice go to gretta and listen to the interview can ya do that for me maybe then you will understand what iam saying....

concernedperson
12-19-2008, 11:04 PM
I found this tidbit on another forum. I haven't been able to verify but it seems totally reasonable. I hope we do get new info on all the cases mentioned as it is past time to get resolve.



Prime News
The will be a segment on CNN's "Prime News" about Tara Grinstead, Stacy Peterson and Jennifer Kesse. The story will air on Dec 24 and Dec 31 at 5 PM.
Reply With Quote

Thanks, Zorro for the heads up. Maybe keeping these cases in the news will bring resolve just like in Caylee Anthony's case. Could be a hero meter reader out there who needs a nudge.

believe09
12-20-2008, 12:55 PM
Who didn't provide a sample of DNA that we would be interested in? And it's not as if it couldn't be retrieved...I watched The Cold Case Squad on WE last night and they followed the prime suspect around waiting for him to toss a cigarette butt somewhere...and I mean they followed him for days. These are actual LE who are filmed. It was fascinating.

colette
12-23-2008, 07:15 PM
Maybe the glove was a red herring, placed there by the killer. Possibly taken from the trash of a hospital, doctor's office and or ambulance worker on the sly. For example if the killer/abductor was a cop, he would have access to ER, ect. to grab a glove and throw it out in the yard.

CanManEh
12-25-2008, 03:36 AM
I seen Tara's Case last night on CNN . I think they were doing a semi documentry on some of the high proffile cases that are still unsolved . I just happend to catch it while they were talking to her i beleive aunt maybe her sister not really sure someone in Tara's Immed familly 1 thing i really didnt understand is even if the power did go out and thats why her clock was 6 hours back wouldn't u just have to ask the imediate neibhour on either side of the house surely if Tara's went out then so would a neibhour's a does anyone know if they even asked the next door neibhour's ? . Rgardless weather or not her power went out i do not know one person that keeps there bedroom clock i assume the clock she would use to get up for school so u know its important no one keeps it under the dam bed ..I also think the guy on CNN said something he shouldn;t have when he talked about a stalker but even woarse this crime just being random because of the location of this town to the highway a purp could come in pick a target and just get on the whatever highway it is and be gone. This case has been hard enough without this guy stating nationally on tv that it could be random and shows the route to the hwy showing why it could be random . I just think it was dumb taking even one mind off of the people in that town not to get them shinking about a stranger even mike brooks spoke up when he tated that saying it was someone she new..

believe09
12-27-2008, 11:49 AM
Maybe the glove was a red herring, placed there by the killer. Possibly taken from the trash of a hospital, doctor's office and or ambulance worker on the sly. For example if the killer/abductor was a cop, he would have access to ER, ect. to grab a glove and throw it out in the yard.

IIRC the glove was matched back to the senior center that was used as a command post at one time. The lot matched a box of gloves from there.

In regards to spec on a perp, I do not have a favorite candidate by any stretch. It amazes me that this case which the GBI states is solvable (am I remembering correctly) still is hanging out there.

concernedperson
12-27-2008, 08:24 PM
IIRC the glove was matched back to the senior center that was used as a command post at one time. The lot matched a box of gloves from there.

In regards to spec on a perp, I do not have a favorite candidate by any stretch. It amazes me that this case which the GBI states is solvable (am I remembering correctly) still is hanging out there.

The problem with this case is speculation and hearsay and misinformation. I know it was speculated that the glove could be from the senior citizen center but that has not been verified by GBI. What has been said by GBI is that the glove ties into Tara's disappearance vs. a plant. Many of us were on the planted evidence aspect for awhile until July 2008 when Rothwell said the DNA was unknown and that it did tie in to Tara's disappearance. That is when he said the possibility of third party involvement was something they were looking at and no one was eliminated.

I am pretty sure it wasn't blood of Tara's found on the glove unless someone lied to me so it has to be other DNA of Tara's. Saliva or hair comes to mind but I don't know for sure.

It looks like to me that someone was hired/requested/beseeched to kidnap Tara and then the chips fell where they did. Wherever that is.

There is a loose factor and if the male DNA was known then the rest would be history.

This is an extremely frustrating case with more peripheral elements than I have ever run across in other cases.

believe09
12-27-2008, 08:33 PM
The problem with this case is speculation and hearsay and misinformation. I know it was speculated that the glove could be from the senior citizen center but that has not been verified by GBI. What has been said by GBI is that the glove ties into Tara's disappearance vs. a plant. Many of us were on the planted evidence aspect for awhile until July 2008 when Rothwell said the DNA was unknown and that it did tie in to Tara's disappearance. That is when he said the possibility of third party involvement was something they were looking at and no one was eliminated.

I am pretty sure it wasn't blood of Tara's found on the glove unless someone lied to me so it has to be other DNA of Tara's. Saliva or hair comes to mind but I don't know for sure.

It looks like to me that someone was hired/requested/beseeched to kidnap Tara and then the chips fell where they did. Wherever that is.

There is a loose factor and if the male DNA was known then the rest would be history.

This is an extremely frustrating case with more peripheral elements than I have ever run across in other cases.

I am looking madly for the link to a statement regarding the senior citizen center and the glove, so while I dig it up I did find this interesting article on lifting evidence from a latex glove...enjoy!
http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/fp_latex_gloves.html

concernedperson
12-27-2008, 10:37 PM
I am looking madly for the link to a statement regarding the senior citizen center and the glove, so while I dig it up I did find this interesting article on lifting evidence from a latex glove...enjoy!
http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/fp_latex_gloves.html

Good article and it explains the whys a print can't always be lifted. It truly depends on the method. It also explains GBI saying they have a partial degraded print that would have to be analyzed manually vs. a data base.

We have so much to learn on all these cases.

TopGunner
12-31-2008, 06:43 PM
They're talking about this case in great detail on Prime news now (Nancy Grace station). It's almost 7 PM est. Tara's sister is on.

concernedperson
01-02-2009, 11:18 PM
This case frustrates me so much. I have looked in every corner. Many corners. I know GBI has looked too. It points but doesn't clarify. It is like Tara disappeared and all the people that loved her weren't viable anymore. The fingers pointed and the defamation appeared. Many trying to make her something less than she was and others, trying to make her more than she was.

The only thing I know for sure is that she is missing. She has been missing since October 2005. I really want justice for Tara. Her mom died in June of this year and I know that part of the acceleration of her death was looking for Tara.

Just a few of us left that look for Tara. But, I made a promise to her mom when I learned of her death to keep trying. I will. But, this isn't easy.

believe09
01-04-2009, 02:16 PM
This case frustrates me so much. I have looked in every corner. Many corners. I know GBI has looked too. It points but doesn't clarify. It is like Tara disappeared and all the people that loved her weren't viable anymore. The fingers pointed and the defamation appeared. Many trying to make her something less than she was and others, trying to make her more than she was.

The only thing I know for sure is that she is missing. She has been missing since October 2005. I really want justice for Tara. Her mom died in June of this year and I know that part of the acceleration of her death was looking for Tara.

Just a few of us left that look for Tara. But, I made a promise to her mom when I learned of her death to keep trying. I will. But, this isn't easy.

Depending on your beliefs, or anyone's beliefs, CP-Tara's mom knows where she is now.

What if we throw out everything we know about the interior of the house simply because there were people tramping in and out of it who likely dug through things looking for clues to where she might be...

What if we throw out anything alleged to be found inside of the car because the individual who processed the vehicle should have recused himself and any defense attorney worth their salt will get any information regarding the car thrown out....JMO.

What do we have?

We have a glove that has been stated, at least lately, to be definitive evidence of foul play and a key piece to the puzzle.

We have a number of players-some who have been allegedly cleared and some who seem to be considered people of interest.

We have specific pieces of property that have NOT been searched, at least to my knowlege, which would give us and the world an opportunity to focus on different locations, ie the Harper property. IIRC there are some wells there as well as on other pieces of property....

We have the fire on Snapdragon Rd where dogs hit on accelerant and some kind of human something-I remember reading statements about diapers vs actual decomp.

concernedperson
01-04-2009, 07:26 PM
Depending on your beliefs, or anyone's beliefs, CP-Tara's mom knows where she is now.

What if we throw out everything we know about the interior of the house simply because there were people tramping in and out of it who likely dug through things looking for clues to where she might be...

What if we throw out anything alleged to be found inside of the car because the individual who processed the vehicle should have recused himself and any defense attorney worth their salt will get any information regarding the car thrown out....JMO.

What do we have?

We have a glove that has been stated, at least lately, to be definitive evidence of foul play and a key piece to the puzzle.

We have a number of players-some who have been allegedly cleared and some who seem to be considered people of interest.

We have specific pieces of property that have NOT been searched, at least to my knowlege, which would give us and the world an opportunity to focus on different locations, ie the Harper property. IIRC there are some wells there as well as on other pieces of property....

We have the fire on Snapdragon Rd where dogs hit on accelerant and some kind of human something-I remember reading statements about diapers vs actual decomp.

Good post and you are on target. Yes, Faye and Tara are together now but justice still needs to be served for crimes done to both of them.

Availability to searchers of some Harper property was denied. LE has to have probable cause so the independent searches were left to those property owners who allowed their property to be searched. I don't believe at this point that any remains would be found on Harper property.

Snapdragon Rd. fire had evidence of human decomposition. The taped off area was tagged by GBI not the arson investigator. The arson investigator's report was prepared from his standpoint of the fire. The baby urine "Hit" was almost immediate from the time of the fire as in don't talk about cadaver hits this was baby urine. Yeah! right.This ridiculous comment made the rounds and then cadaver dogs were discounted as not credible.

Alibis were set up IMO. The third party DNA is the crux of the matter. The possibilities are endless given the connections of some of the parties. Layer upon layer.

Esah
01-10-2009, 07:25 PM
It's so good that you are still trying to sort through Tara's case. I have been absent lately, for many reasons but I wish I could come back in to it all and see something that I just missed all of those others times. I feel dry when it comes to new ideas. But I am always open.

There just has to be someone besides the man who took Tara that knows about it all. I agree with you Believe09, when you threw out the areas that could be compromised in a court case. The glove and the fire seem to be the only areas that we could build on.

fmw63
01-10-2009, 10:04 PM
...48 Hours Mystery - CBS 10pm EST

mysteriew
01-10-2009, 10:18 PM
I'm watching 48 hrs now. I have heard the name but didn't follow this case so it is all new to me.

They just had the ex-boy on and he has already hit my hinky meter. He said that he last saw her a week before she disappeared, and she was irrational. Very often in DV the abuser/stalker or whatever will say the other is irrational.

passionflower
01-10-2009, 10:24 PM
She was so beautiful.........jealousy.....boy friend???
piece of evidence that was secret coming up next........commercial

passionflower
01-10-2009, 10:32 PM
CBI tight lipped about evidence now telling about a latex glove.........
DNA male on glove and a fingerprint.....no match to any boy friends
or on data base nationally...........3rd party??? accident and covered up?
looking for audience to come forward if they know anything..........
now similiar to Jennifer Kesse......another state.............

concernedperson
01-10-2009, 10:40 PM
I'm watching 48 hrs now. I have heard the name but didn't follow this case so it is all new to me.

They just had the ex-boy on and he has already hit my hinky meter. He said that he last saw her a week before she disappeared, and she was irrational. Very often in DV the abuser/stalker or whatever will say the other is irrational.

I always trust your hinky meter. You are one of the ones that call it straight. There was nothing new on the episode still looking at the "obvious" ones. The third person DNA is butt stumping. There is a correlation which we don't know. Obviously, not a felon in the prison system but someone who has knowledge of the "obvious" one.

passionflower
01-10-2009, 10:46 PM
where is Jennifer Kesse thread, I could swear there used to be one........48 hours talking about her now.......

passionflower
01-10-2009, 10:49 PM
I remember both these cases just like it was yesterday.......so sad.........never thought they would be connected........very short man...........???
DVD in back seat.......no stealing..........just interested in Jennifer...........

passionflower
01-10-2009, 10:52 PM
Jennifer complained about workers at her apt. building staring at her........stayed at the building......147 units.......only 1/2 occupied.......transit workers.........dogs tracked back to her apartment............reminds me of a book I read.....THE GIFT OF FEAR.......
she may of been feeling unsafe by the construction workers............
but how do the LE think this is linked to Tara???/

christine2448
01-10-2009, 11:11 PM
where is Jennifer Kesse thread, I could swear there used to be one........48 hours talking about her now.......

FL-Jennifer Kesse, 24yo Orlando 1/24/2006 Missing Part # 8 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73078)

concernedperson
01-10-2009, 11:17 PM
Jennifer complained about workers at her apt. building staring at her........stayed at the building......147 units.......only 1/2 occupied.......transit workers.........dogs tracked back to her apartment............reminds me of a book I read.....THE GIFT OF FEAR.......
she may of been feeling unsafe by the construction workers............
but how do the LE think this is linked to Tara???/

Its not connected. LE looked at it for the time frame. And, the show. Jennifer, IMO, was abducted by a worker at the condos who has fled to another state or back to Mexico.

Tara was abducted and killed by someone local. IMO. Someone who knew her and had reason to rid himself of her.

The connection is that they vanished and haven't been found.

dearmont
01-10-2009, 11:23 PM
I read somewhere, and I think here at WS, that the latex glove was traced to a lot from a nursing home. If that is true, does anyone know where this nursing home was? Ocilla - there's four in town - or Fitzgerald, GA, or - Hawkinsville GA? Would be interesting to know also if any of these had any construction/rehab being done at the time Tara went missing. Transient construction workers, especially trades like painters/drywall, travel in groups. Possible that a group traveled south to Orlando to work at Jennifer Kesse's condo complex. Wouldn't be too much for such workers to maybe pick up latex gloves at a nursing home to use on the job?:waitasec:

concernedperson
01-10-2009, 11:35 PM
I read somewhere, and I think here at WS, that the latex glove was traced to a lot from a nursing home. If that is true, does anyone know where this nursing home was? Ocilla - there's four in town - or Fitzgerald, GA, or - Hawkinsville GA? Would be interesting to know also if any of these had any construction/rehab being done at the time Tara went missing. Transient construction workers, especially trades like painters/drywall, travel in groups. Possible that a group traveled south to Orlando to work at Jennifer Kesse's condo complex. Wouldn't be too much for such workers to maybe pick up latex gloves at a nursing home to use on the job?:waitasec:


Not likely given how much we know about Tara's case. Home grown variety IMO.

dearmont
01-10-2009, 11:47 PM
Does anyone remember the name of the software salesman that called on Tara - what about a photo of Mike Lankford - anyone have one? Oh, also, can anyone provide details on who was hosting the BBQ and on what street in Ocilla it was on?

concernedperson
01-11-2009, 12:03 AM
Does anyone remember the name of the software salesman that called on Tara - what about a photo of Mike Lankford - anyone have one? Oh, also, can anyone provide details on who was hosting the BBQ and on what street in Ocilla it was on?

Can do but I have to go to bed as work comes early. I can assure you that none of the aforementioned killed Tara.

dearmont
01-11-2009, 12:07 AM
Can do but I have to go to bed as work comes early. I can assure you that none of the aforementioned killed Tara.

Thanks! You seem to be "in the know" on who is responsible for Tara's disappearance - can you share your thoughts? Give me a name and I believe I can give you a location to search.

Stella
01-11-2009, 12:53 AM
Yikes-she sure inspired some interesting behaviors in the people around her...I remember reading this, and I have to believe that this kid was pretty well vetted by GBI...I have no proof of that, lol.

The question for me is what would get Tara out of her bed after having apparently retired to it, where if a struggle ensued it seems to barely have disturbed anything in her house...or at least if things were disturbed it is hard to attribute it to anyone other than her cat, or people searching through her clothing....she didn't cry out, since she was 15 feet from the nearest house and had a big strong voice....It wasn't a call on her cell phone or landline...at least not one that has been discussed in the press. If someone came to her door, they risked being viewed by at least the Poirer's...something caused her to take her purse and keys, but not her cell phone. To possibly lock the front door, but to unlock her car-did she take something out of her car? I wonder if she didn't take her phone because the battery needed to be charged....this is assuming she went voluntarily with whomever might have stopped by.

So maddening!!!
I just watched the re-run on TV tonight and started looking up info. What you say here gave me an idea. Tara took her purse and keys but not her cell phone. It's possible that after going to bed, she realized that she accidently left her purse in her car and went out to retrieve it. She wouldn't take her cell phone if that was all she was going outside for. And someone was out there waiting for her. Could be.

mysteriew
01-11-2009, 01:04 AM
I always trust your hinky meter. You are one of the ones that call it straight. There was nothing new on the episode still looking at the "obvious" ones. The third person DNA is butt stumping. There is a correlation which we don't know. Obviously, not a felon in the prison system but someone who has knowledge of the "obvious" one.

Yeah, but then they got to discussing the similarity with the Kesse case and now I am not sure. DV cases are about rage and/or control. They won't give the control over to someone else to carryout unless they are incarcerated usually. Esp. if it is the stalker type.

With the Kesse tie in, that could be a serial tie in. But if so there would probably be some cases before those two. Because those two cases were clean, this guy has practice- yet no DNA match says he has never been caught. Could be an LE type person or imitating an LE. It would explain why no one heard the girls scream, no sign of a struggle. Or they could have caught them unlocking their car doors and shoved them in or held a gun on them. Kind of like a mall kidnapping.

But being from two different cities, where did he take them then and where did he dump them? Was he out of his safety zone in one of them? Or was he familiar with both cities? Could he live in one city, had gone to college in the other? This guy picked high class neighborhoods, but didn't burglarize. He didn't want what they had, he wanted what they were. My guess is that he is young, late 20's maybe.

Wasn't something found in one of the vehicles that hadn't been there before? I wonder if they found prints on that?

Esah
01-11-2009, 09:58 AM
Since I've seen this before, I looked at different things this time and I'm surprised at what I noticed that I missed all of the other times.

!. I was told in the very beginning that there was a pageant video of the Sweet Potato Pageant. Then I was told that there never was one. Then how did they show footage from it last night??

2. I have always been told that Tara's clothes were found on the divan beside her bed and yet this footage clearly shows Tara's clothes and shoes on the floor. What's interesting about this is the fact that if Tara had the time, she was meticulous about putting her shoes away in their boxes. She bought expensive shoes and took good care of them. Also, we were told that her earrings were missing. This whole scene looks like Tara was right in the middle of getting changed when someone changed her mind, either by phone or in person. Earrings might be the last thing I would take off if I were changing too. I feel that her clothes changing was interrupted by someone. With her phone and keys being gone, it also points to a sudden change in plans. JMO

3. When I looked at both Maria H. and Oshja A. I felt how lost they looked without Tara being here. If Tara left on her on accord, she would most likely have hinted something to them. Not necessarily, just likely. They both said without saying that they felt MH was respsonsible.

4. They never said HD's name even though they danced around the whole issue. I thought that odd. Why not bring every thing to the surface? We've been told that no one has a solid alibi for the 36 hours that Tara was not accounted for.

5. I would still like to know what JDA's alibi is. That still doesn't sit right with me. He should have recused him self in the search for Tara's car IMO. I still get the heebie Jeebie's when I look at his photo. Can't explain it but it won't go away. I think he knows something. JMO

All of this is just my opinion.

believe09
01-11-2009, 01:41 PM
Thanks! You seem to be "in the know" on who is responsible for Tara's disappearance - can you share your thoughts? Give me a name and I believe I can give you a location to search.


How is this possible and don't you think you should contact LE?? :waitasec:

believe09
01-11-2009, 01:42 PM
I just watched the re-run on TV tonight and started looking up info. What you say here gave me an idea. Tara took her purse and keys but not her cell phone. It's possible that after going to bed, she realized that she accidently left her purse in her car and went out to retrieve it. She wouldn't take her cell phone if that was all she was going outside for. And someone was out there waiting for her. Could be.

My bold and italics...I like this idea, and not just because you quoted my post, lol!!!

dearmont
01-11-2009, 02:09 PM
How is this possible and don't you think you should contact LE?? :waitasec:

I have - we are 3 for 7 for 2008

believe09
01-11-2009, 02:19 PM
I have - we are 3 for 7 for 2008

And what does that mean? You have called LE in 3 out of 7 cases?

dearmont
01-11-2009, 02:34 PM
And what does that mean? You have called LE in 3 out of 7 cases?

No it means we have led LE to 3 sets of remains out of 7 cases we supported in 2008 - and before you ask, I will be happy to post details once I get clearance from LE and family on these. They are still active homicide investigations and have not been closed yet.

believe09
01-11-2009, 02:47 PM
No it means we have led LE to 3 sets of remains out of 7 cases we supported in 2008 - and before you ask, I will be happy to post details once I get clearance from LE and family on these. They are still active homicide investigations and have not been closed yet.

But you can post who the "we" is correct?

dearmont
01-11-2009, 03:01 PM
But you can post who the "we" is correct?
The "we" are inconsequential and not germane. The question to CP on his/her assurance that none of the names I had previously mentioned were involved in Tara's disappearance or demise which led me to ask, sincerely, for their thoughts on who was directly involved.

This thread needs to continue to focus on the admirable efforts of all of you who are dedicated to finding out the truth about what has happened to Tara.

believe09
01-11-2009, 04:06 PM
The "we" are inconsequential and not germane. The question to CP on his/her assurance that none of the names I had previously mentioned were involved in Tara's disappearance or demise which led me to ask, sincerely, for their thoughts on who was directly involved.

This thread needs to continue to focus on the admirable efforts of all of you who are dedicated to finding out the truth about what has happened to Tara.


The "we" are germane to your assertion that you have been part of a certain number of successful recoveries which you are unwilling to name.

Further, you state that if CP names a suspect you can lead someone to a body-am I misreading your post?

Each of those statements are worth further investigation on a board that is about "sleuthing" cases, particularly a high profile one like this one. JMO.

Moving on, then-

Did the show give anyone a new perspective on whether or not they think Tara's case is linked to Jennifer Kesses?? I cant help it; I find the idea so far fetched...

mysteriew
01-11-2009, 04:36 PM
I read somewhere, and I think here at WS, that the latex glove was traced to a lot from a nursing home. If that is true, does anyone know where this nursing home was? Ocilla - there's four in town - or Fitzgerald, GA, or - Hawkinsville GA? Would be interesting to know also if any of these had any construction/rehab being done at the time Tara went missing. Transient construction workers, especially trades like painters/drywall, travel in groups. Possible that a group traveled south to Orlando to work at Jennifer Kesse's condo complex. Wouldn't be too much for such workers to maybe pick up latex gloves at a nursing home to use on the job?:waitasec:

You seem to be hinting at the construction workers. As I have said I am not familiar with these cases except what I saw on the show but I have a question. One thing I noted about the areas these girls lived in was that they appeared to be upper middle class apartment buildings. Not so exclusive that a stranger would stand out, but exclusive enough that people would note dress etc. on any stranger. IOW a man hanging around driving a beater truck and dressed in jeans is going to stand out. Wouldn't you think?

My impression is that whoever it was, was average for the area. Dressed upper middle, maybe young college educated or looked college educated. This may seem elitist of me, but upper middle class has a 'look'. They shop the same places, follow the same fashions. I think anyone who was dressed otherwise would have put these girls on guard and make them more likely to scream. Esp. Kesse. Yet no one heard anything. They didn't seem to have struggled. Could have been a blitz attack, but there doesn't appear to have been any blood at the scene.

Something lulled these girls to the extent that they allowed the suspect to get close to them. Granted that this was there home, so their defenses would be somewhat down. Granted that it was either at night or first thing in the morning so they might not have been as alert. But he got close enough to get them under control, get them into a car and go off with them without anyone even recalling seeing them. Kesse exp. seemed like she wouldn't allow a stranger to get too close to her. She wouldn't have opened her door without checking, she wouldn't have allowed a stranger to get close to her. She strikes me as the type that would scan the parking lot as she was going to her car and would not turn her back on a stranger. Esp. if that stranger stood out in any way. And she was already uncomfortable with the construction guys.

My theory is that they were both caught at their vehicles. In a similar way to a mall attack, when they went to unlock their vehicles or open the car door, the unsub was there with a gun. Which means that this guy was there waiting, I don't know if he was waiting on them or just an easy target, but he was waiting. People would have noticed a guy hanging around unless he looked average for the area. The girls would have been more alert, unless the guy looked average for the area. As they unlocked their vehicles, the unsub came up behind them with a gun and ordered them into their vehicles.

One thing that does surprise me, is that Kesse didn't struggle. She was supposed to be very security concious. And most self defense classes, women's defense seminars etc. will advise that if put in that position, don't go with them. Struggle, even risk getting shot, but don't go with them. Because if he shoots, you stand a better chance of getting help, if you go with a man who is ready to shoot you won't ever be in a position to get any help. Still when faced with a gun, that would be a hard decision to make.

adnoid
01-11-2009, 10:59 PM
The "we" are inconsequential and not germane...

I'd like to know who the "we" are as well. If you are going to assert that some group is having successes it makes sense to post some information - or a disclaimer that the claims cannot be independently verified. I can take care of that disclaimer if you like.

This thread needs to continue to focus on the admirable efforts of all of you who are dedicated to finding out the truth about what has happened to Tara.

We already have moderators, thank you.

Esah
01-12-2009, 08:06 AM
Personally I don't see any connection at all between the two cases. I think 48 Hours was just trying to make a story. I'm glad that Tara and Jenneifer got back out into the public but I just don't see a connection.

Dearmont, I'm with everyone else here in my curiosity. You sound pretty sure of your self and we could use some of that right about now. But I have to tell you that we've had many like you that have come and gone with no benefit to Tara's case. We would love your help, no doubt, but you have to understand where we are all coming from. Playing secret, like you are only feels like the start of a waste of time.

If you study up on the names of men in this case, why not try to do your thing on all of them. There are only 4 or 5 names that are being tossed around. If you can locate a body just by knowing the name of a person of interest, then perhaps you should apply this to each one of them. There are some of us who think one or two might be connected anyway and this might sinch the deal for you.

Your help and interest are appreciated as long as they are both in earnest.

believe09
01-12-2009, 09:26 AM
Personally I don't see any connection at all between the two cases. I think 48 Hours was just trying to make a story. I'm glad that Tara and Jenneifer got back out into the public but I just don't see a connection.

(snipped)



I respect your opinion Esah-I actually spent the evening yesterday reviewing the history of Ocilla to see if the name had any particular meaning-if you check out the Jennifer Kesse thread, there is a guestbook referenced. A poster to the guestbook indicated that there was a location near Jennifer's apartment named Ocilla Court. This was how the poster was tying the two together...

While I did learn a whole lot about Indian Settlements and how old some of the GA counties really are, lol, I couldn't make a connection between the two with the exception of the fact that these two beautiful young women disappeared without a trace and LE are hampered in the case by a few things-with Kesse, tracing the construction workers appears to be a difficult task. With Tara, searching all areas that might have contained her body and a contaminated crime scene seem to be hampering some of the investigation.

Back to the boondoggle, I guess...

Esah
01-12-2009, 04:06 PM
Believe09, I can see some vague similarities but they are way too vague to interest the GBI imo. I think at one point they were interested in that serial killer, Gary Hilton, being the link, but he cannot be tied to both cases as far as I know.

I saw something gruesom on tv last night and I sure hope this hasn't happened to Tara. They said that the killer used hydochloric acid to dissolve a body. As sick and horrible as this is, Tara could be anywhere if this was done to her. But in this case on tv, they did find the remains and it lead to the killer.

I know that this has been talked about before and that it was discussed that one of the poi's purchased some of this chemical but I don't know this for a fact. all jmo.

believe09
01-12-2009, 08:34 PM
Believe09, I can see some vague similarities but they are way too vague to interest the GBI imo. I think at one point they were interested in that serial killer, Gary Hilton, being the link, but he cannot be tied to both cases as far as I know.

I saw something gruesom on tv last night and I sure hope this hasn't happened to Tara. They said that the killer used hydochloric acid to dissolve a body. As sick and horrible as this is, Tara could be anywhere if this was done to her. But in this case on tv, they did find the remains and it lead to the killer.

I know that this has been talked about before and that it was discussed that one of the poi's purchased some of this chemical but I don't know this for a fact. all jmo.

Gary Hilton did not seem to have the same finesse as those who have taken Jennifer and Tara, but I could be mistaken.

Short of getting a hit off of the DNA on the glove, what do we have left to pick apart that might be helpful? Any chance another search would make sense?

LillyRush
01-15-2009, 10:20 PM
I didn't see the 48 hrs recap, but I saw it when it originally aired and read the subsequent articles about it. It was nice to see both Jennifer Kesse's and Tara's case given air time again, but I don't think there is a connection. I really think that Jennifer's disappearance is connected to either one or more of the construction workers or someone who was able to obtain access to the building via the construction workers.

There would have to be something huge to develop in order for me to see a connection...like Tara's landlord saying that he used the same day labor construction employees or something. I also don't think there's a connection to Gary Hilton. He seemed to target people in isolated areas and neither one of their cases fits that profile. It's 3 years later and I still feel the same way as far as Tara's case. I believe either MH or someone else of personal significance in Tara's life was responsible, mainly leaning more towards MH or maybe his (ex?) girlfriend.

concernedperson
01-15-2009, 10:28 PM
I didn't see the 48 hrs recap, but I saw it when it originally aired and read the subsequent articles about it. It was nice to see both Jennifer Kesse's and Tara's case given air time again, but I don't think there is a connection. I really think that Jennifer's disappearance is connected to either one or more of the construction workers or someone who was able to obtain access to the building via the construction workers.

There would have to be something huge to develop in order for me to see a connection...like Tara's landlord saying that he used the same day labor construction employees or something. I also don't think there's a connection to Gary Hilton. He seemed to target people in isolated areas and neither one of their cases fits that profile. It's 3 years later and I still feel the same way as far as Tara's case. I believe either MH or someone else of personal significance in Tara's life was responsible, mainly leaning more towards MH or maybe his (ex?) girlfriend.

I am pretty sure that GBI doesn't see a connection to the two abductions either. It was worth a shot to go to Orlando and check it out but I believe the same as you....personal significance in Tara's case and a construction worker in Jenn's case.

Both seemingly are taking so long to solve.

LillyRush
01-15-2009, 11:19 PM
I can see what you're saying about the "look". But I just wanted to clarify that Tara was actually renting a single family home in a neighborhood with similar homes. She wasn't in a big condo-conversion type apartment complex like Jennifer Kesse. Tara's suburbia neighbors seemed to be all up in her business practically 24/7, yet during some of the most important hrs of Tara's life apparently nobody was paying attention. I'm trying not to digress on this and get myself riled up, but I recall various people claiming they remember seeing this car and that car that belonged to this guy or another just on various random days. It's too odd that no one saw anything of importance that one night. All of that, in relation to Tara, is that any local who saw anything is possibly either afraid of or trying to protect someone who is known within the local community. (IMO)

Back to Jennifer for a second: I think it would be easier to come and go nearby a big apartment/condo complex, especially with construction work going on. Plus, generally, you don't know all your neighbors or their friends/family when living in an apartment or condo. So, it's trickier to point someone out as not belonging there. You never know if it could be someone's son or daughter or a friend who doesn't visit very much. I personally am a pretty vigilant person and have even been viewed as rude sometimes when not automatically holding a secured apartment/condo door open for someone. But, not everyone is like that. In fact, just today when I came home from work one of the secured door leading to the side street here was left wide open (and I closed it lol).

You could be right about them being approached near their cars. But, I think (if anything) that may be where the similarities end. Personally, I'm not necessarily convinced that either one of them left their homes willingly.

You seem to be hinting at the construction workers. As I have said I am not familiar with these cases except what I saw on the show but I have a question. One thing I noted about the areas these girls lived in was that they appeared to be upper middle class apartment buildings. Not so exclusive that a stranger would stand out, but exclusive enough that people would note dress etc. on any stranger. IOW a man hanging around driving a beater truck and dressed in jeans is going to stand out. Wouldn't you think?

-snipped your post for space-

Esah
01-22-2009, 02:13 PM
They showed a photo taken by Google of the Mall at the Inauguration on tv yesterday. We know that our govt has access to real time pictures of what any of us here or abroad are doing. Wouldn't it be nice if we could just access Google Earth images of 10-22-05 and see how Tara really left her home that night?

Just wishful thinking I guess. But if you think of the expense so far on Tara's case, I would think this would cost a lot less and be a lot more accurate.

dearmont
01-23-2009, 07:51 AM
Unfortunately, Google Maps imagery is not taken continuously and the probability that an overhead was taken on the day Tara went missing is very slim - however, other satellite imagery systems may have such as SPOT or GOESS - I'll look into what they have cataloged for that time frame - it's a long - long shot but worth looking into. Several of these systems also offer multi-spectral imagery that can be used to detect "anomolies" in the ground - ie clandestine gravesites. I find that maps.live.com has better and more up to date imagery than Google and you can generally get 360 degree views of an area.

Esah
02-03-2009, 08:22 AM
Wow Dearmont, you sure do know a lot about this. Thanks for the info. I sure hope that some image was caught, but it doesn't look very likely by what you said. I think I was dreaming when I wrote my post, it was just a wish I guess. I am going to check out the other site.

Bookthem2
02-25-2009, 03:24 PM
Hi I am new here. I have been studying Tara's case for a while now...I am not a police or investigator, how-ever I have given a lot of thoughts, hopefully it would spark some new directions to Tara's case. One reason I am more interested in her case is because I myself had a similar situation as hers when I was young, but I was able to get out of that situation by the skin of my teeth. Since then I had agreed with my inner self, I would never let this happen to me or anyone else if at all possible.
Now this is what I know..She went to the festival, went to a dinner then came home.

This is some of my own ideas..but they are just my own thoughts/feelings oh yes!..I am not a perfect writer... Sorry!
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besides the regular stuff they found..
Car door unloched.....Car seat pulled back...Nothing looking like a fight happened!
Looks like she just up and left....Dog barking all night/Natural happening....
Telephone calls from HD....
Light shade tipped, broken found necklace on floor.
ect ect...

1st idea:
Tara was heading home and someone stopped her to talk to her.
I personally don't think she came home, her car did but an impostor dressed in her cloths was the one who got to her house.

I think maybe someone drugged her in some food she ate or drank before she got home and just could not make it all the way and that is where they took her and she went missing. This is why Tara could not make it to the door for HD and why he left his card there.
2nd
Tara did make it home after she met someone...they followed her home not accidentally with an intention and then maybe an argument happened and by fault she was hit and knocked out or the drugs she took made her very sick and she just went down not to be revived.
It makes since because Tara's dog was not barking until later that evening into the morning.

They got rid of her body to the near abandoned building, later on removing it to a disclosed area.

One thing I know is MH was around and riding with another cop...don't know if he did this..but with the time span and time laps with HD heading her way it could have been fixed to make it look like HD made Tara go missing.

Like I said, I don't know but with all of my thinking this out, he would make a good person for this because, he is a tactfully trained and works as a undercover type guy with the military....He would know all the moves and working in the dark so no-one would find him or the evidence.I don't trust a side sitting turn your face type of person either..being his face is on the net...What did he have to hide that day? His hands or his face form maybe a by stander during Tara's disappearance? who knows.

Remember a glove was dropped there...and her dog was barking maybe his hand was hit by a dog tooth or something like makeup that does not come off very good and he wanted his hand more then his face to hide? Just my way of wondering not the facts folks!I would bet he knows a Little about cover up for Case investigation type settings.....But then again, the others probably know that trick also.


Then again Doc "Gaddis" is another one!! His alligator eating..and affair with Tara and his on call work schedule could have given him plenty of time to do a little trouble in the background.
Seeing when you work in the health field all your life, You know every angle and every lie a person can give...On call schedules are very easy to work around ......believe me!An on call schedule does not cancel any plans if you know how to work around them even if you are a few miles away from the planned activity!

I think HD was being set up!

So you are seeing my way of thinking by now who I feel could be behind Tara's dissapearance.....Not just yet folks!

Through a little investigating:
I found one person was being looked by police in the next county, he was said to be heading for Florida because of friends or relitives..He left about the time Tara went missing and he also was a felon and a rapist.This is just about where the Kess'es case happened.
Same time schedule also just about.
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I also found very recently another man who they figured killed possibly two kids, one in Michigan and one in Alibama..The police say he is a child serial killer and does his deeds every two years.....
They figured August 2005 could be the next time, but it did not happen, however..Tara went missing Ocotober of 2005 and the man is still wanted and being looked for.Maybe he went through the area and Tara was his victum, being she worked with kids and in a school..he may have been hanging out at the abandoned house. He even had mud on his car like that which was found on Tara's car and drove a white vehicle and Dark Grey truck seen at the two different cases.. This Guy changes with the times and wind I see maybe possibly with who he makes his victims? also

Was there not a dark truck speeding through town seen that night? Even dark Grey can look like the color black in different situations.

I can see a few scenarios with this idea.

I still feel the doctor and Tara's Neighbor look formiliar...... I don't know why...Maybe they look like someone I have seen in a wanted poster or web site somewhere a long the line and now a days anyone can redo their face, name change and body, teeth to look like a all new person.It is a scary world out there today!

These are just some of my ideas and just 1/4 a 1/4 of that.
The others in her case could very well be the persons wanted ..I have typed enough..I hope this gets your thinking caps on and to really dig deep.


This is a very deep case and nothing should be left out from it!

PS!
Hey yeah Satelite!..I know about all about those spy watchers.....I know a guy who can and who is a proffessional at this ...worked with a national known military base and Nasa and worked with this stuff//Googles maps is baby stuff compared to what he knows! ...It's kind of interesting knowing you have eye's in the sky and that is all I will say! I hope they do use this technique in the future including that of DNA to capture wanted persons.

Mysterylover
03-08-2009, 06:30 PM
It's my opinion this guy hid Tara in the vacant house so he could QUICKLY get back to his alibi that night...

IMO, Possibly the next day, or when he could 'get away', he removed her body from the house and set it on fire to destroy all evidence.

Each suspect should account for every hour of their time before and after Tara disappeared and the building burned..

Someone is a cold blooded murderer..

searchlight
03-24-2009, 12:13 PM
I'm new to learning about this case, and after viewing the 48 Hours video and reading everything on this board, I have some questions and comments:

Did MH work for Blackwater as a contractor in Iraq? Some of these folks have seemed to believe they are above the law, according to several incidents in Iraq. Just speculating.

I noticed HD wearing gloves during evidence gathering. If there is a bite mark on the latex glove found in Tara's yard (as some have speculated), it would be interesting to note whether HD had wounds. Did MH assist with the search in the early days, and if so, same question?

I see that LG has a specialty in geriatrics. Is it true that the glove was traced to a batch at the senior center (which served as HQ inthe search)?

Has the next door neighbor with a key to Tara's house been cleared of all suspicion?

Trying to be an equal opportunity 'wonderer' -- the cast of players is intriguing and troubling.

TIA to anyone able to address these issues.

Curious J
03-24-2009, 02:01 PM
I've been following Tara's case off and on from the beginning. I go to and fro on who may be responsible. It's difficult for me to think as some do that almost everyone in Ocilla knows what happened, but are scared to come forth.

I think the biggest problem with the whole investigation is that Tara departmentalized her life. Also, I questioned the thinking that GBI knows what happened and is just waiting. I really think this is a cold case now, and the person(s) who did it has not been scrutinized or even know-of.

RememberTara
03-24-2009, 05:31 PM
I'm new to learning about this case, and after viewing the 48 Hours video and reading everything on this board, I have some questions and comments:

Did MH work for Blackwater as a contractor in Iraq? Some of these folks have seemed to believe they are above the law, according to several incidents in Iraq. Just speculating. He worked for another company.

I noticed HD wearing gloves during evidence gathering. If there is a bite mark on the latex glove found in Tara's yard (as some have speculated), it would be interesting to note whether HD had wounds. Did MH assist with the search in the early days, and if so, same question? The picture of HD collecting evidence was from an earlier case he worked. HD and MH were questioned several times by the GBI. I never heard of either having bite marks on their hands. My understanding is MH was involved until the family (AG) asked that he not be allowed at the command center. If MH had had bite marks on his hands then I'm sure it would have been noticed.

I see that LG has a specialty in geriatrics. Is it true that the glove was traced to a batch at the senior center (which served as HQ inthe search)?
The glove being tied to the Senior Center was a rumor. If the GBI has connected the glove to anything besides Tara then they are not saying.

Has the next door neighbor with a key to Tara's house been cleared of all suspicion? My understanding from what I have read in the media and seen on the 48 Hours Show is that the GBI has not cleared anyone. In my opinion from having meet the neighbors, the P's were very close to Tara. They have taken her loss very hard.

Trying to be an equal opportunity 'wonderer' -- the cast of players is intriguing and troubling.

TIA to anyone able to address these issues. I hope this helps.

searchlight
03-24-2009, 08:18 PM
I hope this helps.

Thanks so much, RememberTara, for clarifying these points.

This is such a tragic case; I will cease speculating for now and just continue praying that answers will eventually be found for those who loved Tara.

RememberTara
03-24-2009, 08:59 PM
I thought the bite marks was a great point. If there were bite marks on the gloves then someone most likely had bite makes on their hand. I hope anyone connected to Tara's case would contact LE if they remember seeing someone with bite marks on their hand during the time of Tara's disappearance.
There has been so little information released that speculation is about all we have. It keeps us thinking about Tara and may someday lead us to the facts that will help bring Tara home.

LillyRush
03-24-2009, 09:33 PM
I'd like to also ask some questions about the 48 Hrs show from last year. I re-watched it online again and was just wondering about the statement they made that the dna found in the glove did not match the dna of any of the "150 men in Tara's life" - or something to that effect. My question is, did they do any dna comparison between the gloves and any females?

I know this is not a new idea to suggest a female was involved. Personally, I am still opposed to the idea that a female acted alone. I think if a woman was involved it was definitely either as an accomplice or they were the main perp and had an accomplice. Anyway, have they really not tested the dna against any potential female suspects? Or was that just poor reporting on the part of 48 Hrs?

RememberTara
03-24-2009, 09:52 PM
Rothwell said on either the 48 Hours Show or the call-in interview to Greta's show that the DNA was identified as male DNA. I'll see if I can find a link.

RememberTara
03-24-2009, 09:55 PM
Just days after Tara went missing, Rothwell sent the glove to the GBI crime lab in Atlanta. Trace evidence specialist Larry Peterson wasn't optimistic. "It's my experience from past cases that latex gloves like this had a relatively low rate of success," he explains.

But in this case, investigators caught a lucky break: against all odds, investigators had recovered DNA-male profile DNA-from the glove.

And besides the DNA, Rothwell says they also got a fingerprint. But when they compared the DNA and fingerprint to the men in Tara's life, there was no match.

There was no match nationally, either. Still, investigators can't eliminate any of the men in Tara's life, since they might have had an accomplice. "We always have to consider the possibility of a third party. Either someone was involved in getting a third party to harm Tara or that Tara was harmed by accident and a third party was used to help cover up the crime," Rothwell says.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397_page3.shtml

SeekingJana
03-25-2009, 04:22 AM
Sorry to just chime in here, but I watched the special last night, and IIRC they had teams from both the Kesse case and the Grinstead case meet for a couple hours to discuss a possible link. At the end of the meeting, they said there was no luck, and that with the Kesse case it seems like more of a stranger abduction, and that with Grinstead, it looks like it could have been someone she knew.

jmo

This post caught my eye when I was reading back through this thread because of the recent break in the Chandra Levy case.
Remember- she was thought by LE to have left voluntarily to meet someone nearby also, because her personal items were still in her apt... Specifically a former member of Congress was the focus for years.

Now we find out that a convicted rapist who attacked another victim in the park where Chandra was jogging attacked her and killed her at random. He didn't know her and she didn't know him.
I know it's necesary to consider the most plausible scenario and go from there, but maybe there's something to be learned from Chandra's case.. . that having tunnel vision or zeroing in on some " interesting" personal details in a missing young woman's life may help the perp, who could be unconnected to any other personal " situation" in the victim's background stay under the radar of the public and LE.
The perp should have been a suspect long before he was due to the rapes he committed in the same park.

Another case with some similar aspects of former boyfriends and " personal" intrigues- Christa Worthington's case. I was convinced her murderer was one of the main POI " male friends" for years.. until the island took the almost unheard of step of DNA swabbing every male who lived there. LE ended up doing very good work in her case and they found her killer because they undertook such a bold move.

I believe it's going to take something like fingerprinting every person living with in an X mile radius of Ocilla to check against the glove print, or doing a similar sweeping effort with DNA testing against possibly publicly unknown forensic evidence left at the scene in Tara's case for it to be solved.
Of course, LE missed golden opportunities to obtain private land search warrants early on because they didn't want to ruffle feathers of some people who consider themselves to be " important". The chance to undo that mistake has long passed, IMO.

LillyRush
03-25-2009, 05:15 PM
Rothwell said on either the 48 Hours Show or the call-in interview to Greta's show that the DNA was identified as male DNA. I'll see if I can find a link.

Thanks for finding the CBS link where they mention only finding male dna, RT. I was responding to emails at the same time as rewatching it, so it's possible that I didn't hear it during the program.

LillyRush
03-25-2009, 05:39 PM
...At this point we know the name of the missing person. We know someone probably "helped" her leave home. We now know that person was a male (if the meaning of the glove evidence has been interpreted correctly). What we don't know is whether she left with this male willingly or as a victim of foul play.

The glove does speak to a certain presence of mind which seems a little unusual if the whole thing were unplanned (whether unplanned runaway or unplanned crime) and I find that interesting too.

doc, Sorry for trimming your post. But while I'm on the subject of the glove/dna again, I just wanted to ask you about your post here where you are speculating whether the glove ties into an unplanned or planned missing scenario. I know that you generally follow the planned/voluntarily missing theory.

I don't really see why a person helping her to voluntarily disappear would need to wear a glove. Could you explain why you think they would? I mean, hypothetically, they wouldn't even need to go inside her house or her car. She could have just as easily waited inside or outside for someone with the things she was bringing (not much) in tow and gone in the other person's vehicle, without that person ever getting out of their car.

I agree with you that it does speak to a presence of mind that things were planned. But I think specifically using a glove speaks to someone who is clearly trying to hide any sign that they were there. Someone just giving her a ride out of town would not need to do that, IMO.

docwho3
03-26-2009, 05:43 AM
doc, Sorry for trimming your post. But while I'm on the subject of the glove/dna again, I just wanted to ask you about your post here where you are speculating whether the glove ties into an unplanned or planned missing scenario. I know that you generally follow the planned/voluntarily missing theory.

I don't really see why a person helping her to voluntarily disappear would need to wear a glove. Could you explain why you think they would? I mean, hypothetically, they wouldn't even need to go inside her house or her car. She could have just as easily waited inside or outside for someone with the things she was bringing (not much) in tow and gone in the other person's vehicle, without that person ever getting out of their car.

I agree with you that it does speak to a presence of mind that things were planned. But I think specifically using a glove speaks to someone who is clearly trying to hide any sign that they were there. Someone just giving her a ride out of town would not need to do that, IMO.

I can offer a thought as to possibilities (bearing in mind that I am keeping one particular possibility to myself for the moment.) Even though it is not a crime to help an adult run away (so far as I know), if the person helping were to be easily identified & thus located by prints or whatever that would begin an unravelling of the runaway event because L.E. would immediately begin questioning the person whose prints were found which would in turn likely lead to information resulting in the location of the adult who ran away. So it is possible that was why the mystery person wore gloves. If I were to help some adult run away I might wear gloves too if I had to touch anything in his/her house, or any property that was left behind, even if all I did was to enter the house to see what was taking the runaway so long to get his/her stuff together.

Your post did make me ponder one question about this case again so I thank you for jogging my thoughts a bit.

Trino
03-28-2009, 06:21 AM
I've dismissed the possibility that Tara voluntarily disappear because I believe she was more responsible and had more class than to do such a thing to her family, students, and friends. I also believe she was a good daughter who would return to see her dying mother. IMO the only "voluntarily" possibility would be that Tara had a mental breakdown, in which case I feel something would have happened by now to show she was still alive.

LillyRush
03-30-2009, 12:20 AM
I can offer a thought as to possibilities (bearing in mind that I am keeping one particular possibility to myself for the moment.) Even though it is not a crime to help an adult run away (so far as I know), if the person helping were to be easily identified & thus located by prints or whatever that would begin an unravelling of the runaway event because L.E. would immediately begin questioning the person whose prints were found which would in turn likely lead to information resulting in the location of the adult who ran away. So it is possible that was why the mystery person wore gloves. If I were to help some adult run away I might wear gloves too if I had to touch anything in his/her house, or any property that was left behind, even if all I did was to enter the house to see what was taking the runaway so long to get his/her stuff together.

Your post did make me ponder one question about this case again so I thank you for jogging my thoughts a bit.

While I generally don't agree with your runaway theories, doc, I will say that I do appreciate you presenting them in a way that doesn't necessarily taint the victim or use rumors as a basis. I can see what you're saying, that if someone helped her they would not want their prints in the house because obviously they would then be questioned by the police. I totally get that.

That is why I countered that with the hypothetical scenario where someone would not have to go into the house at all and therefore would not have needed gloves. I would think the simplest solution would be for someone to not go in the house and just wait for her. Why put gloves on just to go in the house and tell her to hurry up? Also, if that were the case, they could have just called her from their cell phone while waiting and said hurry up.

I also think that if someone was that meticulous, meticulous enough to wear gloves in order to hide the fact that they'd even helped her...they would have been more careful making sure the glove(s) did not get lost in her yard. I think the glove points more to a struggle and that the person was too caught up doing something else to even notice that they lost a glove.

docwho3
03-30-2009, 05:46 AM
While I generally don't agree with your runaway theories, doc, I will say that I do appreciate you presenting them in a way that doesn't necessarily taint the victim or use rumors as a basis. . . Thank you. I do try to not pass judgement, especially when I see the possibility of a runaway. People are people and stuff happens. Besides, there is not much separating this case from being either type (runaway or crime.)
. . .I can see what you're saying, that if someone helped her they would not want their prints in the house because obviously they would then be questioned by the police. I totally get that.

That is why I countered that with the hypothetical scenario where someone would not have to go into the house at all and therefore would not have needed gloves. I would think the simplest solution would be for someone to not go in the house and just wait for her. Why put gloves on just to go in the house and tell her to hurry up? Also, if that were the case, they could have just called her from their cell phone while waiting and said hurry up. . . I suppose the helper might not have thought of a cell phone in all the excitement or might not have been sure hers was on, might not have known the number to dial etc. We don't know that the helper would have known her well enough to know her possessing a cell or knowing its number.
I also think that if someone was that meticulous, meticulous enough to wear gloves in order to hide the fact that they'd even helped her...they would have been more careful making sure the glove(s) did not get lost in her yard. Now here is a point that I also have been thinking about, although from the crime angle more than from the runaway. (Actually I am trying to look at sets of possibiities for both types of cases to have ended up with only one glove in the yard but I began from the crime angle set first just to be helpful.)

At first glance one could say that someone tucked the gloves in a pocket or belt and, in the darkness, simply did not realize one glove fell out to the ground. That would seem to be true at first glance for both a runaway or a crime . . . .but first glances can sometimes be misleading. I realized that whether a runaway or a crime, a person could have waited until he/she was in the getaway vehicle with the door closed before removing the gloves and so no glove would have been found. (A runaway helper might have been less careful about gloves than a crime perp but I do not know that for certain.)

So I sort of thought of "what if" types of possibilities that could reasonably account.

So why was a glove found?
That's when I begin to sit and make a list of all the reasons I can think of.
It might help to fit the reason list up with what I think might have happened and see which reasons fit best with known facts and current possible theories.
. . .I think the glove points more to a struggle and that the person was too caught up doing something else to even notice that they lost a glove. Have you experimented with having a latex glove wearing man try to hold on to a struggling woman (who wants to get away and not just trying to stay and wrestle the man) and see what happens to the gloves? I somehow doubt the gloves would just slip off. I wonder how many times it would happen out of a ten or out of a hundred (but I can't advocate experimenting because I don't want anyone getting hurt.) I could see perhaps one being torn enough to come off but have never heard that the found glove was damaged.

So much has been said by people who seem to think her bedroom was the place a struggle took place (even though L.E. were first quoted as saying there was no sign of a struggle) that I think if that room had been the site of a struggle that she would have likely been incapacitated by the time someone had her out in the yard. Also, to my knowledge, no one has mentioned any signs of a struggle outside of the house. (Not trying to be mean or anything. Your thoughts are interesting. I just think perhaps there might be another explanation.)

There are questions about this case that I found interesting. One was why move her car? And WAS that car truly moved or not? If you drive up to someones home and invade it and make off with the victim in your vehicle then why move the victims car? Why take the time and risk? (not saying it would never happen but the "why" certainly can open things up.)

Another was why was any glove at all found? Do we have a perp. smart enough to wear gloves but stupid enough to lose one by carelessness and then leave it by not taking a last look around to be sure he left no signs behind him as he got in his vehicle to drive off? If so perhaps that helps us know a little of the type of person we are looking for as a perp.

Another question how did it come to be that only one glove was found?
I mean sure anyone can lose one glove if you take both the gloves off and stick them in your belt or in a pocket but why take off the gloves before entering your getaway vehicle? And yes you can lose one glove if you only remove one glove and then become distracted by some unforseen event or are just a bit forgetful due to the excitement of the crime you have just committed.

So then I wonder what would make one remove only one glove when moving a victim to a car to take her somewhere? To check perhaps for signs of breath and/or other signs of life more easily? To be certain the victim was dead? (Or to be certain the victim was not dead and was still alive, still breathing, to hold up an eyelid & check the eye for sign of life?)

Or did the person take the gloves off in the getaway vehicle but then at the last minute realized he needed to exit the vehicle to check on one last detail and a glove in the back pocket or in the seat beside him got dragged enough to fall to the ground? If so what could that last important detail have been?

I ask these and many more questions. Was her lipstick or saliva on the glove?

I do not yet see enough actual evidence to prove a crime did indeed happen but that does not stop me from thinking and asking all sorts of questions about all possibilites. Maybe I am over analyzing the glove angle but if so all I am wasting is my own time so I don't mind just for that one in a trillion chance I might think of something helpful.

dearmont
03-30-2009, 06:09 AM
Here's a twist on the glove - what if it was deliberately left at the scene to throw off the investigation? If this were the case, who might be clever enough to know this would become a "red herring" ?

docwho3
03-30-2009, 07:41 AM
Here's a twist on the glove - what if it was deliberately left at the scene to throw off the investigation? If this were the case, who might be clever enough to know this would become a "red herring" ? Very good. I have also included this possibility in my thoughts.

Mysterylover
03-30-2009, 10:23 AM
It's my theory, the guy used the rubber gloves to drive or move Tara's car and dropped a glove while leaving the property..

What IF Tara never made it home? The murderer had it planned to make it look like she did, in order to throw LE off the time-line?
IF Tara did get home that night, why would the killer move her car?

dearmont
03-30-2009, 11:59 AM
The position of the driver side car seat could be explained, for example, if Tara had dropped her keys and they fell under the seat, she may have pushed the seat back to retrieve them - it was late when she returned from the BBQ and may have just not put the seat back into the normal position for her. Or, if she had been drinking at either of the events, and felt she was unable to safely drive home, perhaps someone at the BBQ drove her home and that might account for the seat being pushed back? Just thoughts....

searchlight
04-30-2009, 02:10 AM
I've heard it mentioned that the family used one or more psychic investigators. I wonder if Noreen Renier was ever contacted. She seems to have a very professional record (only works a case if a direct request comes from LE or family, never solicits work, and has given talks at Quantico, IIRC). She has been showcased on TV multiple times. If I were, God forbid, ever to need such help, she would be my first -- and probably only -- choice for such assistance. I read her book, and it has the ring of authenticity.

Just throwing this out there to the universe on the chance it might help. Many on WS seem to be haunted by certain cases for various reasons, and Tara's case is one that stays with me.

My2CentsWorth
05-01-2009, 10:18 PM
Searchlight,
I agree that Tara's case seems to "haunt" some of us. I do personally wish that somebody ANYBODY!!!!!!!! could shed some light or "NEW LIGHT" on all of this.

Esah
05-13-2009, 09:16 AM
Pam Coronado is my first choice. I have just sent her an email and asked her to take a look at Tara's case. I will let you know if I hear anything.

:+:MrTT:+:
05-15-2009, 06:12 PM
Searchlight,
I agree that Tara's case seems to "haunt" some of us. I do personally wish that somebody ANYBODY!!!!!!!! could shed some light or "NEW LIGHT" on all of this.



They found it strange that her car doors were unlocked and that her car seat was pushed back way too far for someone her size.

An envelope full of cash was found on her dashboard.................

could it be........that someone was there and waiting for her to arrive home?........went inside with her?.......and she left these things a mess.....the clock, clothes on floor etc.....to let persons whom knew her, know that something had happened to her, like a silent message?............and they left in her car, which explains the seat being pulled back?............and the money on the dash, could it had been a payment for someones involvement?, but they left it/forgot about it, after returning the car to the house?
.............................and if i remember correctly, no neighbors remembered seeing any vehicles around her home at all that day or night etc?...........which makes me think perhaps, there were two, and one got out, and took her car.............did they check any of the POI, and see if anytime around her disappearance, someone of interest, made a large or unusual withdrawal from an account..........example, if there was 5000.00 in the envelope, did anyone make a withdrawal around that amount if they checked..........i did find it strange, that the cop and ex were together that night......on a ride along, on the SAME night she went messing...........i would check both of them again, and see if one or the other, made a large withdrawal around the amount that was left on the dash, or anyone of interest............

dearmont
06-09-2009, 01:49 PM
Bumping for Tara - can we get some new thoughts going on the thread?
Thanks!

RememberTara
06-15-2009, 12:30 AM
Some may find this article useful in understanding the GBI's procedures regarding DNA and CODIS. Hopefully some day soon, the DNA in the glove will lead to an arrest.

http://www.macon.com/198/story/748247.html

Monday, Jun. 15, 2009

DNA evidence making dent in midstate crime

By Amy Leigh Womack - awomack@macon.com





When John Paul Battle Jr. entered prison in May 2008 on an aggravated assault charge, a sample of his DNA joined more than 186,150 samples in the state’s Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) database.
The samples are compared to DNA evidence from unsolved crimes about twice a month, said Ted Staples, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation’s manager of forensic biology.




By the numbers Matches during May — 75
Matches to Georgia cases since 1998 — 1,415
Matches linking Georgia offenders to crimes in other states since 1998 — 287
Total number of offender samples — 186,151
Source: GBI




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As a result, 1,415 Georgia cases have been solved using matches from the samples since the creation of the database in 1998, he said.
Last week, one of the matches linked Battle, 25, to the 2002 rape of a 35-year-old woman in her car near the intersection of Elm Street and Broadway Lane in Macon.
But authorities say the database doesn’t just help find leads in sexual assault cases.
Bibb County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Sean Defoe said CODIS has helped deputies solve burglaries and robberies.
Most recently, the database returned a match between a 53-year-old Hawkinsville Road man accused of a Jan. 12 burglary off Allen Road and a cigarette butt left behind inside the house, Defoe said.
“He had smoked a cigarette and dropped the butt on the floor,” Defoe said.
While deputies arrested William Gerald Brock on March 3 as a result of the investigation, Defoe said investigators are using the CODIS match as another piece of evidence that Brock was inside the house.
Macon Police Capt. Jimmy Barbee said that while most CODIS matches the police receive are in sexual assault cases, he’s submitted evidence from two cold case murders in hopes of finding a lead.
Howard Glen Tickner, 25, was fatally stabbed at what was once a Quality Inn located at 2720 Riverside Drive on Nov. 14, 1980, Barbee said.
The case has become cold and Barbee said he has sent blood evidence to the GBI to go into the database.
“We’ll put that unknown blood sample into CODIS and cross our fingers that the person has been put in the system and we get a match,” Barbee said.
He said he also has submitted a sexual assault kit containing evidence from the June 26, 1989 killing of 16-year-old Valinda Williams at 389 First St.
Barbee said Williams was strangled and beaten to death.
FORMING A DATABASE
Staples said CODIS began as a FBI test program in the mid 1990s.
Authorities reasoned that “a DNA profile is a bunch of numbers and it should be possible to compare the DNA to evidence and offenders,” he said.
Congress then passed the DNA Identification Act that gave the federal government permission to keep a database of DNA from offenders and evidence.
It was left up to each state to decide which offenders would be required to submit DNA samples, Staples said.
In 1998 Georgia became the first state to form a state database of DNA from offenders and evidence, said Staples, who headed up the program.
To start, the database only included samples from people convicted as sex offenders from 1995 to 2000, he said.
In subsequent years, the database was expanded to include DNA from all convicted felons sent to prison or released on or after July 1, 2000, inmates sentenced to death, serving life sentences or extended sentences and people sentenced to felony probation for violent crimes, Staples said.
Samples in Georgia’s CODIS database are forwarded to the national FBI database, allowing law enforcement agencies from different states to compare samples, he said.
Prior to July 2000, inmates were required to submit blood samples. Now, cells are taken from inside a person’s cheek, he said.
Staples said the GBI is able to test evidence containing anything from blood, semen and saliva to DNA left behind on sunglasses and ball caps.
DNA from the evidence is automatically submitted into CODIS after being analyzed by the GBI during the normal process of crime solving. Agencies also can request evidence from cases older than CODIS to be included in the database, he said.
When a match is found in the database, Staples said analysts retrieve the original samples of DNA from the evidence and the offender to re-run the test.
After notifying law enforcement agencies of the match, investigators must then obtain a fresh DNA sample from the offender and submit it for a third comparison, he said.
Working as a manager, Staples said he misses making the phone calls to investigators to tell them the good news about a match being found.
“With some of them, you literally hear them hollering into the phone,” he said, adding he’s also heard investigators cry and run around telling their coworkers.
“You miss that gratification,” he said.

Fermi
06-20-2009, 05:32 AM
I have read everything I could find on Tara's disappearance and I have a few questions I have not found answers to. If anyone could fill in the gaps, I would appreciate it!

1. Tara's dog, Dolly: I have read that she spent the nights in the house with Tara. Looking at photos of Tara's house, it appears that the carport is right up to the where the fence opens (there is even a photo of Dolly sitting there). Assuming that Tara made it home, when she pulled in the drive, Dolly would have come to this opening. Does anyone know if this is how Tara generally retrieved Dolly when she came home? Also, if someone had been waiting there to abduct/harm Tara, why would a German Shepherd companion not have sensed the danger and came over the fence at the perp? I had a female G.S. who had no problem getting over a 6' redwood fence.

2. As to the glove: since we know that Tara spent the day doing hair/make-up for pageant contestants (and did hair/make-up at other times for her girls [i.e. prom]), might she have kept a box of these gloves in her home for when she was using dyes or perming solutions? Thus, in addition to male DNA, the 'connection' to Tara?

3. The ex MH: Does not sit with me; he was with Tara for several years and knew the ins and outs of her home. No forced entry? Big deal - LE have jimmys/tools to get into locked places without leaving a trace. Or, he may have had a key copy that Tara was unaware of - does anyone know if she had replaced all of the locks? We know she had recently bought a new lock - but was it installed? Were all locks replaced and windows re-inforced due to her concern?

4. Was a window in her bedroom open as I have read?

5. Was her necklace found broken and beads scattered, or was this just a rumor? I ask because if she had disrobed (her clothes on the divan or floor) wouldn't she have taken off the necklace before taking off a top?

6. The ex and his LE pal on the ride-along: Could they have pulled Tara over as she was driving home from the BBQ and worked this as a team?

I know I had more questions - should have written them down! If I recall any of them, I will come back and post them. I am just flabbergasted that they have not solved this - there are only 3500 people in this town for pete's sake!

TIA

eeyorelrn
06-30-2009, 01:35 AM
This is my very first posting, so bear with me. I have read a lot of the comments on here, and have read the transcripts for the "48 Hours" special. I wanted to specifically answer some of the questions Fermi posted. And of course, these are just my humble opinions and feelings.

1. Tara's dog, Dolly: I had a German Shephard for 7 years. While she would bark at anything even remotely moving, she WAS NOT afraid of strangers, let alone MALE strangers. As a matter of fact, she would scratch on the back door in an attempt to get either me or my roommate to open the door if any of our male friends came to the house, so that she could come in and "greet" them by promptly climbing on their laps and licking their faces like long lost freinds. This especially bothered me, because she would allow ANY MALE into out back yard, including Power, Cable, and Phone co. emloyees. It is possible, therefore, that Dolly may have had a similar personality, although w/o having met the dog, its really hard to say.

2. As to the glove: One suggestion that I have seen repeatedly on here that I have a BIG issue with is the assertion that the glove could have simply 'blown into the yard'. I am a Nurse, so I of course work with gloves on an all too regular basis. I Even manage to take them home with me accidently on a regular basis, as I tend to keep a few in my pockets for little emergencies that may arrise. I have on many occasions dropped them in my driveway, only to find them there when leaving for work the next night. With a strong gust of wind, i could see that the "blown glove" theory could be plausible, but otherwise, not so much. (I will admit too that I have a bad habit of taking non soiled gloves off, and while inside out, putting them back into my pockets. Always makes for an interesting find in the morning when I get home.)

3. The ex MH: This is the million dollar question. I think that you have some VERY valid points, but one would have to also assume that the buddy he was riding along with would be willing to risk his career and his freedom to completely break all protocol and assist in some sort of abduction/crime cover-up. But like i said, you raise some VERY PLAUSABLE questions and scenarios.

4.Window: I don't remember reading anything about an open window, but that would make a "laying in wait" scenario very plausable.

5. Necklace: I believe it was still intact when found, but cannot say for sure if it was broken somehow or not.

6. The ex and his LE pal on the ride-along: I think I covered that in #3...

I dunno that I can really contribute more than my opinions and thoughts, But it does make me feel good that there still are so many people willing to help in whatever way they can to help their fellow man.

Mysterylover
07-04-2009, 09:40 AM
Bumping for Tara - can we get some new thoughts going on the thread?
Thanks!.....

dearmont, Here's my thought, theory and opinion. I can't see the following as being just a coincidence!!

Two people both with possible grudges against T., riding together on the night T. disappears....

I suspect and only guessing, her car was pulled over before she got home, then one of the men got in her car and rides home with her, thus explaining the reason the dog was not taken in the house and her cloths was on the floor.

Quote:
Grinstead had lodged a complaint with the police department against one of its officers. The officer was friendly with her former boyfriend, and on the night Grinstead disappeared, the two men were seen together in his patrol car, on what is known in police circles as a "ride-along."...:cop:

Julessleuther
10-21-2009, 05:32 PM
Cannot believe it will be four yrs tomorrow that Tara went missing. Tara where are you???

lobo34
10-22-2009, 09:47 AM
Tara,

Just wanted to post a quick note that you are loved and missed! You are also in my (and others) thoughts everyday! These past 4 years have weighed heavily on my (and others) hearts. We just want you home!


lobo34

Esah
10-22-2009, 04:45 PM
Thinking of Tara on this 4th anniversary of her disappearance. May the truth be known some day and may those who keep searching be blessed. My heart has a special place for Tara.

Love
Esah :rose:

eeyorelrn
10-25-2009, 04:51 AM
Hard to believe it has been 4 years since Tara disappeared. I hope that whoever did this grows a conscious and tells the whole story and gives Tara and her family some kind of closure.

Bobbisangel
11-03-2009, 04:35 AM
Four years...I just can't believe it has been that long. I will always believe it was the ex and his buddy who was riding along with him that night. It sounds to me like no one in LE really took a good look at these two because they are cops and it also sounds like it is a place where everyone covers each others butts regardless of what they do....the whole town just keeps their mouths shut regardless what they might know. There are places in this world like that. From what I've been told.....this is one of those places.

It's hard to believe that Tara's body hasn't been found in all of this time. I really wonder if those guys didn't take her far away so that she wouldn't be found or they knew some place where she would be hard to find close to home. This has to be hell on her mother who it seems isn't a well woman.

believe09
11-03-2009, 07:05 AM
Why would the ex and the buddy do away with Tara? Because she lodged a complaint? This defies reason to me, simply because if there was small town politics at stake here, it was easy enough for them to make her look like a hysterical slightly unbalanced female. The ex appeared to have moved on.

Someone recently re-raised HD to me even though it appears that his alibi has cleared him. She is not a poster here on WS but is an occasional reader and I respect her opinion. I am going to look more at him when I get some free time-I still am intrigued by LG and the possibility that she walked away....JMO

Julessleuther
11-03-2009, 04:17 PM
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I believe that Tara's mother has since passed. She has all her answers now. :( Four years...I just can't believe it has been that long. I will always believe it was the ex and his buddy who was riding along with him that night. It sounds to me like no one in LE really took a good look at these two because they are cops and it also sounds like it is a place where everyone covers each others butts regardless of what they do....the whole town just keeps their mouths shut regardless what they might know. There are places in this world like that. From what I've been told.....this is one of those places.

It's hard to believe that Tara's body hasn't been found in all of this time. I really wonder if those guys didn't take her far away so that she wouldn't be found or they knew some place where she would be hard to find close to home. This has to be hell on her mother who it seems isn't a well woman.

CanManEh
01-25-2010, 12:40 AM
I see the show haunted evidence has rerun the tara episode like 3 times in the last few weeks i wonder if they are doing this for a reason...same thing in the molly bisch one .

deer
05-01-2010, 08:34 PM
This is turning into a cold case!! Nothing new!! Folks, this just ain't right. She is out there, somewhere. Tara, we are still looking and still thinking about you.

Esah
05-13-2010, 08:28 AM
Praying that answers will be found, even after all this time.

Bree0372
05-14-2010, 07:50 PM
Why would the ex and the buddy do away with Tara? Because she lodged a complaint? This defies reason to me, simply because if there was small town politics at stake here, it was easy enough for them to make her look like a hysterical slightly unbalanced female. The ex appeared to have moved on.

Someone recently re-raised HD to me even though it appears that his alibi has cleared him. She is not a poster here on WS but is an occasional reader and I respect her opinion. I am going to look more at him when I get some free time-I still am intrigued by LG and the possibility that she walked away....JMO

I've read a lot about this case, but have never posted on it. What was HD's alibi? I've never heard that he had one. There were several hours that were unaccounted for, IIRC. Didn't he place himself at Tara's house? :waitasec:

I don't believe she walked away, but I suppose anything is possible.

daisydaisy
05-19-2010, 01:10 PM
I'm new to WS, and it's hard to keep up with all the many details over the years of posts. I have always remembered Tara's case and have checked periodically for updates, but forgive me if my questions have already been answered somewhere.

Did anyone ever determine where the cash came from? Did Tara herself make a bank transaction, and if so, when? If not, did someone else withdraw that amount of cash locally?

I also saw another missing persons case involving cash in a car in which investigators suspected that the perpetrator left the money with the car unlocked to encourage someone to steal it. (In that case, the keys were in the ignition, and they presumed the perp wanted someone to steal the entire car to contaminate/remove evidence.) Is a diversion attempt a possibility here? Somebody wanting someone else to come by and leave fingerprints while stealing the cash?

RememberTara
05-19-2010, 01:30 PM
I'm new to WS, and it's hard to keep up with all the many details over the years of posts. I have always remembered Tara's case and have checked periodically for updates, but forgive me if my questions have already been answered somewhere.

Did anyone ever determine where the cash came from? Did Tara herself make a bank transaction, and if so, when? If not, did someone else withdraw that amount of cash locally?

I also saw another missing persons case involving cash in a car in which investigators suspected that the perpetrator left the money with the car unlocked to encourage someone to steal it. (In that case, the keys were in the ignition, and they presumed the perp wanted someone to steal the entire car to contaminate/remove evidence.) Is a diversion attempt a possibility here? Somebody wanting someone else to come by and leave fingerprints while stealing the cash?

Tara's brother in law told me that the cash was from an ATM withdrawal. I believe she made it on Wed or Thurs. Tara often kept cash in her car for expenses. She drove to two different colleges for night classes.

daisydaisy
05-19-2010, 01:38 PM
Tara's brother in law told me that the cash was from an ATM withdrawal. I believe she made it on Wed or Thurs. Tara often kept cash in her car for expenses. She drove to two different colleges for night classes.

Thanks for the info, RememberTara. I guess that means that it probably wasn't a robbery gone wrong. (I don't think that's what anyone has ever suspected anyway...but at least a clue to a motive rule-out.)

I'll keep reading and thinking, and I'm encouraged to see that the forum is still active!

searchlight
05-24-2010, 07:24 PM
I'd like to know what HD and especially MH are doing these days, as well as how sentiments have been running over time in Ocilla.

My2CentsWorth
07-26-2010, 01:33 PM
Does anybody have any info on whether or not there was ever an episode made or aired on the t.v. show Disappered that was reported a couple of months ago was going to take place? I have not seen or heard anything and was wondering. Also I wonder as the last person to post does what is the "word" around Ocilla these days after all this time? I wonder if a local person would fill us in on what if anything people might be saying.

RememberTara
07-26-2010, 01:41 PM
According to someone who was interviewed for the show, the show was filmed in March of 2010 and will air in the second season beginning in Dec 2010.

My2CentsWorth
07-26-2010, 04:49 PM
Thank you for the info, if you hear anymore would you please let us know. As I have said on here before I used to live near Hawkinsville, GA when this happened and have always just been very curious as to "WHAT" accually happened.

trigger
09-09-2010, 02:32 PM
Just saw the commercial on ID channel (Investigation Discovery channel). New Season starting Oct 4th at 10pm (EST). It shows Tara's case will be on but the exact date is unknown right now. It showed Brittanee Drexel, John Glasgow, Kristi Cornwell also.

carterkatt
09-09-2010, 07:02 PM
I am still amazed that almost 5 yrs have gone by... and "we" know little more than we did that first week. Someone has to know something.. .something has to be out there to be found. Someone has the ability to solve this.

I have followed this case from day one... and I wanted so much to believe, in the beginning, that Tara left on her own. I don't think she could leave her mom.

I'm glad to hear it will be on the show you mentioned. Thanks for telling us.

trigger
09-10-2010, 03:13 PM
I am still amazed that almost 5 yrs have gone by... and "we" know little more than we did that first week. Someone has to know something.. .something has to be out there to be found. Someone has the ability to solve this.

I have followed this case from day one... and I wanted so much to believe, in the beginning, that Tara left on her own. I don't think she could leave her mom.

I'm glad to hear it will be on the show you mentioned. Thanks for telling us.

Im glad its going to be on also. Since you followed the case like I did, do you remember they found a latex glove? I wonder what happen with that.

Remember the good old days when Greta went to her home. I wish she wasn't involved in politics... Anyway I'll come back here after her show.

RubyRed
09-12-2010, 09:12 PM
Im glad its going to be on also. Since you followed the case like I did, do you remember they found a latex glove? I wonder what happen with that.

Remember the good old days when Greta went to her home. I wish she wasn't involved in politics... Anyway I'll come back here after her show.

bbm

A latex glove found in Grinstead's front lawn was sent to a laboratory for DNA testing. The results were inconclusive.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/30/grace.beauty.missing/

RememberTara
09-13-2010, 09:44 AM
bbm

A latex glove found in Grinstead's front lawn was sent to a laboratory for DNA testing. The results were inconclusive.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/30/grace.beauty.missing/

I think this passage from CBS's Stolen Beauty on 48 Hours is more accurate about the glove...

Just days after Tara went missing, Rothwell sent the glove to the GBI crime lab in Atlanta. Trace evidence specialist Larry Peterson wasn't optimistic. "It's my experience from past cases that latex gloves like this had a relatively low rate of success," he explains.

But in this case, investigators caught a lucky break: against all odds, investigators had recovered DNA-male profile DNA-from the glove.

And besides the DNA, Rothwell says they also got a fingerprint. But when they compared the DNA and fingerprint to the men in Tara's life, there was no match.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397_page3.shtml?tag=contentMain;contentBod y

My2CentsWorth
09-22-2010, 12:54 PM
The findingtara.com website states that Investigation Discovery will explore Tara's case on 10-11-2010, just thought I'd share, can't wait to see what they have.

deer
09-24-2010, 10:05 PM
The findingtara.com website states that Investigation Discovery will explore Tara's case on 10-11-2010, just thought I'd share, can't wait to see what they have.


I can't wait to see what they will have, either......Probably nothing new....Her family doesn't seem to be pushing it, any longer.......But like you, My2CentsWorth, I'll will be watching......Tara, if you are out there, you need to show your face....If you're not out there, let somebody know in another way...We are all still here, looking for you......

SuziQ
09-30-2010, 10:17 AM
Bumping up for renewed interest.

cluciano63
10-02-2010, 04:08 PM
I am still amazed that almost 5 yrs have gone by... and "we" know little more than we did that first week. Someone has to know something.. .something has to be out there to be found. Someone has the ability to solve this.

I have followed this case from day one... and I wanted so much to believe, in the beginning, that Tara left on her own. I don't think she could leave her mom.

I'm glad to hear it will be on the show you mentioned. Thanks for telling us.

I too am amazed at the years going by, I was visiting my mom soon after my sister died when this story came out, and we caught it via national news. And then saw or heard very little about it until the 48 hours show. I hope the new show coming up next week will bring the case back to the forefront, but wish it was on a network channel so more people would see it. :(

Bree0372
10-11-2010, 02:09 AM
The findingtara.com website states that Investigation Discovery will explore Tara's case on 10-11-2010, just thought I'd share, can't wait to see what they have.

BUMP

Video preview at this link:

http://investigation.discovery.com/videos/disappeared-season-2-premieres-the-beauty-queen-mystery.html#mkcpgn=fb3

Airs Monday, October 11th at 10PM ET.

PrayersForMaura
10-11-2010, 10:12 PM
The show is on the ID channel right now. Very good so far. So sad for Tara and her family and friends :(

trigger
10-12-2010, 12:28 AM
I'm going to watch it tonight. In case I fall asleep, I'm taping it....Can't wait.

Prayers for Tara and her family. So so sad.

CanManEh
10-12-2010, 10:39 AM
Hey people,,, Is this show called Dissapeared . As you have prolly guessed iam in ontario canada and i do get the I,D channel for whatever reason i dont get the show dissapeared which was one if not the main reason i actually called the digital cable and requested it be put on in ontario and they did they removed the court tv/tru tv/not realitty but actualitty / whatever the latest name and put on ID running 24/7 but i get the shows like deadly women and missing link and crimes that shocked the world which are all ok be nice if they weren't all re'runs though but no dissapeared anyway sorry for the rant i just wanted to know the show name as someone usually puts it on you tube..dissapeared did a awesome one on B,Drexille and someone posted it all on here the link to it on u tube or no one in canada would have seen it so thanks to them..

cluciano63
10-12-2010, 01:00 PM
I don't think it is posted online as yet, I will look for it in a day or two. I taped the episode last night but have not yet watched it, will comment when I do.

Bree0372
10-12-2010, 04:51 PM
Yes, the show is called Disappeared on the ID Channel (that I don't get). Grrr

From what I understand, there was no new information that came out...just rehashing what has already been shown on another show (48 Hours).

My2CentsWorth
10-13-2010, 09:37 AM
There was nothing new:( I fell asleep and got up the next morning and watched it as I had set the dvr to record it. Rothwell, did a lot of the talking and pretty much said they are at a stale mate.The discussion was not nearly as in depth as we have been on here. Like I said, mainly nothing new. I was so hoping for something, but it wasn't there. We are fast approaching the 5 year mark, hard to believe.

cluciano63
10-13-2010, 02:50 PM
No, nothing new on the show. This case seems to be totally stalled. No match to the DNA on the glove. I wonder how often they run it through the databases. They might get lucky but if someone who knew her took/killed her, then it is possible they are not a habitual offender and may never have their DNA taken.

Proud Country Gal
10-13-2010, 03:28 PM
I go over and over the case in my head and try to figure out what is connected and what is not! I just wish someone would spill their guts because someone has to know something!!

CanManEh
10-15-2010, 12:49 AM
From What I remember about the DNA it is from a rubbor glove found in the yard or so i believe . I really wonder about that and if its not something that we put way to much thinking into kinda reminds me of the DNA on the underwear in the JBR case where henry lee showed how even bran new underwear has dna on it . my point is what if the glove was droped as a red hearing or heck just blew in the wind from somewhere again maybe im just not uptodate but the DNA really makes me wonder if were not barking up the wrong tree so to speak..

*Jessica*
10-15-2010, 06:06 PM
*Bumping* for Tara

docwho3
10-19-2010, 11:49 AM
Although I still think the odds favor an adult runaway solution to this case I do
mull things over frm time to time & when I do I look at the case from all angles,
including foul play scenarios. A few things seem clearer now as time has passed. If foul play
was involved I believe the evidence indicates that Tara was the reason for the crime,
that it was not a botched robbery or random home invasion.

In fact I doubt any perp was ever inside her home when she disappeared.

To me, the 2 most likely ways foul play could have happened would be:
1. Targeted by someone that had been to her home before yet someone that she did not
really know. Probably someone that had once dropped off some of the girls that
she was helping with hair styles or someone that had ridden along with them when
they were dropped off. Perhaps someone that knew she had recently worked on some girls hair
and possibly knew which name to use in a ruse to get Tara to leave her home and
follow him to another location where foul play could have taken place.

Maybe something along the lines of 'You just worked on my girlfriend's cousin's little girl
& she is out at our house now visiting but she fell down and messed up all that work you
did so could you come out and do a quick emergency touch up before anyone sees her?'

2. Targeted by someone that she had briefly come into contact with who had found out
where she lived & had used some ruse to get her out of the house. Maybe the old
'someone you know was in a bad accident so please follow me to the scene . . .' sort of thing.

It seems likely that the perp knew when Tara would be home because otherwise he
would have to repeatedly drive by until he saw her car there with no other cars there.
If he had simply called to verify she was home the phone records would have listed
the call & LE would likely already have been looking into it.

Thinking of how he knew she was at home might help narrow the field of suspects a bit
. . . . . .if foul play was involved.

I have left out the possibility of her going to meet someone because of the shoes being
left in disarray (allegedly unusual for her.) They seem to indicate that either she left
in a hurry or that she no longer cared about them.

For some perp to arrive at her home at the perfect time to pull a ruse to get her
to follow him somewhere is interesting of itself. No one saw them leave in what I believe
was daylight (the car seems to have been returned after dark though.)

**********
I know I have left out some other popular foul play theories & I have reasons for doing so
but listing them would have taken a much longer post. I had made up a post with links
to articles that led to the logic I used in coming to the 2 scenarios I have listed here
but it was so long I just saved it in a text file to mull over later.
***********
To me, all the evidence I know of still seems to point more towards an adult runaway
than anything else.

theforgotten
10-19-2010, 01:53 PM
Last night I watched Tara's Disappeared episode again. I came away feeling that she is/was a very complicated charecter. On one hand, she's upset that her long time boyfriend dumped her and not in a very nice way, but at the same time she's taking up with a married police officer. I'm wondering about the stalker student. Was there any evidence to suggest that there was more to their relationship then student/teacher? This case makes my headspin. I can't believe that it is going to be 5 yrs. How awful.

Bree0372
10-23-2010, 01:12 AM
Last night I watched Tara's Disappeared episode again. I came away feeling that she is/was a very complicated charecter. On one hand, she's upset that her long time boyfriend dumped her and not in a very nice way, but at the same time she's taking up with a married police officer. I'm wondering about the stalker student. Was there any evidence to suggest that there was more to their relationship then student/teacher? This case makes my headspin. I can't believe that it is going to be 5 yrs. How awful.

From what I've read elsewhere, she was seen climbing out of AV's (the student) bedroom window. I do believe he had an alibi for the time of her disappearance.

Today is 5 years that Tara has been missing. I pray that her family gets the answers they are looking for soon. Thinking of you, Tara.

Esah
10-23-2010, 07:49 AM
My prayers are still that there will be that one little detail that surfaces that links all of this together. The final piece of the puzzle. Who knows what that could be at this point.

When I watched the new show about Tara last week, I did actually learn something. I didn't know that someone in LE leaked some very key details about Tara's case to the media which compromised the case by releasing details that could have been used to make a case against a suspect. They did not say which Department did this. Did anyone else see this?

When all of the finger pointing was at Tara's sister and different things they claim she did to compromise the investigation, it was in fact someone in LE who compromised the case. So that makes me wonder who was in a position in LE to want to do this. Perhaps someone who was better friends with the person responsible for Tara's disappearance than they were interested in maintaining the integrity of the case. Or maybe they just 'thought' they were helping the case by talking to the media. But anyone in LE knows 'not' to talk to the media for heavens sake. JMO

Years ago, someone said to me that they suspected someone in LE didn't want this case to be solved and I didn't want to believe them. I could easily understand how it could happen, I just didn't want it to, for Tara's sake. Now I wonder if this case can ever be solved.

deer
11-24-2010, 10:58 PM
Tara, if you are still here, have a Happy Thanksgiving.....If you are not still here, give somebody a sign.....We will find you, either way.......

Bree0372
12-23-2010, 03:15 PM
This was just a formality done so that her family can handle her estate.

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=13733734
Grinstead Presumed Dead

Ocilla, GA (WALB) -- Tara Grinstead, the missing school teacher and former beauty queen, is now officially presumed dead.

(snipped - more at the link)

The action of the probate court does not change the status of the case being investigated by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and Ocilla police.

annboleyn2011
03-06-2011, 02:40 PM
I don't believe the cases are NOT linked. At best Jennifer Kesse was abducted by a stranger and I believe Tara knew her killer. What about Jennifer Sessions then? Even though that was in 1989 it is still unsolved and she was in Gainesville, FL, which is in between Tara and Jennifer.

annboleyn2011
03-12-2011, 08:22 PM
I just joined recently and have read the threads. Does anyone know if Tara kept a diary?

RememberTara
03-13-2011, 11:00 AM
Tara kept a journal. It was found by the family after the GBI turned the house over to the family.

annboleyn2011
03-13-2011, 11:40 AM
Thanks for the information. I thought I had read somewhere that she had kept a diary etc. Is it true that the LE was not allowed to search all of MH's property? I didn't know Tara personally, but I hope it is okay if I think of questions, to ask here. I wish there was some new lead in this case that would help us find her.

RememberTara
03-13-2011, 07:46 PM
Thanks for the information. I thought I had read somewhere that she had kept a diary etc. Is it true that the LE was not allowed to search all of MH's property? I didn't know Tara personally, but I hope it is okay if I think of questions, to ask here. I wish there was some new lead in this case that would help us find her.

No, I think LE searched pretty much anywhere they requested permission. Some land owners did not want their land searched by volunteers. I think LE would have gotten search warrants to search anywhere they were denied access.

annboleyn2011
03-13-2011, 08:12 PM
Then her body was taken out of the search areas. Her car had clay and dirt on it as if it had been taken on dirt roads and I had read where Tara didn't drive down those type of roads.

RememberTara
03-13-2011, 11:45 PM
...Tara didn't drive down those type of roads.
That was not necessarily true because MH and his mother lived on a dirt road. On Greta's, On the Record," MH admitted that Tara had visited him at his mothers house the week before she disappeared.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174968,00.html

annboleyn2011
03-14-2011, 07:36 AM
It must be nice to have a lawyer that can account for every minute of his client's whereabouts even when he is sleeping. Sounds a bit much. I guess the GBI feels differently as they have not ruled him out.

Bree0372
03-15-2011, 07:28 PM
Dive team searches Irwin Co. creek for Tara Grinstead remains

OCILLA, GA (WALB) –Divers spent much of the day in an Irwin County creek looking for the remains of a school teacher who disappeared five and a half years ago.

Tips in the Tara Grinstead case continue to come in. Investigators say the one that led them to that creek Tuesday is the most substantial they've gotten in a year.

A neighbor who claims to have called in the tip to the sheriff says just a few days after Grinstead disappeared he saw two men acting very suspiciously down by the creek. He says it has been weighing heavy on his heart, so felt it was time to tell someone.

(more at the link)

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=14258097 (http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=14258097)

annboleyn2011
03-16-2011, 07:42 AM
I guess I just don't understand people. I wonder why the person didn't report it sooner? Also, when the two men left, why didn't he go and take a look around where the two men were standing? If you could do anything for a missing person or her family, why wouldn't you have come forth sooner than this? What if this were your son or daughter that went missing? I guess I just don't understand. I think it is called do the right thing.

deer
03-18-2011, 10:45 PM
I agree with you.....Why in the world would anybody, in their right mind, that even halfway cares about another human being, wait that long? I think the tipster needs to be looked at, long and hard.......Polygraph the tipster.......



I guess I just don't understand people. I wonder why the person didn't report it sooner? Also, when the two men left, why didn't he go and take a look around where the two men were standing? If you could do anything for a missing person or her family, why wouldn't you have come forth sooner than this? What if this were your son or daughter that went missing? I guess I just don't understand. I think it is called do the right thing.

annboleyn2011
03-23-2011, 08:10 AM
Someone from here, I think, from Jacksonville had visited Oscilla. How small of a town is Oscilla? I live in metro Atlanta and had seen the billboard of Tara when I used to go down to Florida. Is the billboard still up? I just have a feeling if LE were involved in her death, we will never find her remains etc. I am praying this doesn't happen.

annboleyn2011
04-16-2011, 07:23 PM
You know I feel so bad about her. I believe that whoever harmed her was someone she knew. Here is the sad part. Tara didn't deserve to be harmed for killed, accident or no accident, by anyone lest someone she knew and had strong feelings for. I can't help but wonder that the person or persons who did this have not told anyone or maybe they told a family member and are just not talking. Tara did not deserve this and neither does her family. I wish and pray that someone will speak up and do the right thing for Tara!

My2CentsWorth
04-20-2011, 04:40 PM
The article says the creek was located on Daisy Rd., wasn't there mention somewhere else of Daisy Rd.? Somewhere way back in the beginning? Maybe I had that mixed up with another road. Regardless you would think somebody would have said something before now if it was "weighing on his heart", especially if searchers had been near that location in the beginning.

annboleyn2011
04-22-2011, 07:25 AM
I saw an advertisement last night on a show that I believe will be featuring Tara and others disappearances. It is called "Vanished" and will be hosted by Beth Holloway. I believe it is coming on Monday night. I'd say probably 9pm but check your guide for listings.

annboleyn2011
04-30-2011, 04:24 PM
This series starts May 9th between 8-10pm est. Please check your local listings. It is on the Lifetime channel.

I really hope that she can help this case from getting colder than it is.

docwho3
06-30-2011, 01:31 AM
Bumping this case.

This missing person still has those who must miss her, friends, coworkers,
fellow students, the many students she helped along the way.
Whether runaway or crime victim there is a healing that needs to take
place. Here's hoping that the truth might finally reach out and may the
answers be true & good.

sundrop
07-09-2011, 05:42 AM
Ga. court overturns part of fake killer conviction

Read more: http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2011/07/08/1650182/ga-court-overturns-part-of-fake.html#ixzz1RbEga5Co

CanManEh
07-19-2011, 01:50 AM
Im curious about what peoples thoughts are about the glove found in tara's yard when you watch Disappeared the GBI sound so confident that the dna from that glove will crack this case but Im not to sure those kinda gloves are pretty light almost like a sheet of paper it could have been picked up by the wind from god only knows where / But then i wonder why did it land on her yard that particular day . Just something i wonder about so i thought i would see what you all think about the glove.