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christine2448
05-11-2008, 12:58 AM
Was Larry Gattis responsible or involved in Tara's disappearance?
(pic please?)
I am not sure if this guy is listed officially as POI....but he is BIL, doctor, and IIRC, failed LDT on question about having affair w/Tara......I am not a believer of LDT, but, I think he should be discussed.
I label him POI, for discussion purpose, at this time...I reserve the right to change my opinions ;)
christine2448
05-11-2008, 10:47 PM
I'm here. I'm not in jail," Gattis told Crime Library in a telephone interview this morning, after a weekend of wild rumors ripped through the small Georgia town and the blogosphere suggesting, among other things that the small town physician had been arrested. "They had me dragged out of my house in shackles, and some of them had the GBI...surrounding my house."
Like much in the lingering mystery of Tara Grinstead's disappearance, the rumors of Gattis' arrest that reached a boiling point this weekend were pure fantasy. Authorities have consistently maintained that they still have not conclusively determined what happened the to the now-31-year-old high school teacher who vanished Oct. 22 after the annual sweet potato festival and dinner with friends. They have no suspects, authorities have said publicly, though they are said to be pursuing some promising leads. And privately, they have noted that even if they did, it is doubtful that Gattis would be among them.
more here relating (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0106/3001_rumors_tar_tara_brotherinaw.html)
Kryptonite2
05-11-2008, 11:05 PM
http://i25.tinypic.com/1qfo85.jpg
Larry Gattis' photo
christine2448
05-11-2008, 11:09 PM
Thanks! and...Welcome to WS.
Kryptonite2
05-11-2008, 11:15 PM
Thanks! and...Welcome to WS.
You're welcome and thank you. : )
ncthom
01-03-2009, 02:49 AM
I would certainly not want to make reckless accusations. I would tell you that I've heard from many folks in the Ocilla/Irwin County area that Tara's brother-in-law is the target of a lot of suspicion and speculation.
believe09
01-03-2009, 03:06 PM
I suppose if I had a favorite candidate, it would be him I have to say...
My2CentsWorth
01-04-2009, 08:17 AM
I'm with you Believe!
Steely Dan
01-04-2009, 09:05 AM
Was Larry Gattis responsible or involved in Tara's disappearance?
(pic please?)
I am not sure if this guy is listed officially as POI....but he is BIL, doctor, and IIRC, failed LDT on question about having affair w/Tara......I am not a believer of LDT, but, I think he should be discussed.
I label him POI, for discussion purpose, at this time...I reserve the right to change my opinions ;)
I couldn't find anything about this case on that link. Do you have a nutha?
Steely Dan
01-04-2009, 10:11 AM
Linkage (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/2.html)
Here are some snippets from the story:
There were also a few puzzling details.
Her bedroom lamp, for example, was knocked askew. There was, of course, no way of telling when or how that had happened. What's more, her digital alarm clock had apparently fallen to the floor and was now six hours off, but authorities had no way of determining whether that any significance either. Perhaps the clock had simply stopped during one of the not- infrequent power outages the neighborhood had experienced. Or perhaps it meant something more. There was also the fact that the driver's seat on Tara's car had been pushed back further than the 5-foot-3 woman would have been likely to favor it. Again, the cops didn't know if it meant anything.
Finally, there was the glove, a latex glove, the kind worn by doctors, and paramedics and cops that was discovered on Tara's otherwise pristine front lawn.
Ok, first the lamp and alarm clock. The lamp may be the sign of a struggle. As far as the alarm clock goes I know that whenever my digital alarm clock goes off due to a power outage or being unplugged it flashes 12:00. I would hope the police tested it after dusting for FP and such.
The latex gloves point toward Harper or Gattis. I also have latex gloves in my house because I collect football cards to sell on eBay and I don't want to get the oils from hands on them. So they can be purchased at regular pharmacies.
Harper who was shot in profile reportedly in part as a safety precaution because of his job as an independent contractor who has worked in Iraq challenged the reports and said he had seen Tara about 9 a.m. on Friday, Oct. 14, a school day, when she turned up at his house. Harper said that Tara had threatened to commit suicide, though after a short interruption in the taping, Harper added that Tara had returned later that day and asked him for a hug, apparently indicating that it would be the last time.
Very suspect. What was she doing on his doorstep at 9am on a school day. I don't know much about this case except what's in that article but would she be able to be there at 9am without being missed at school?
How close does he live to the school?
Saying someone threatened to commit suicide seems like a way to innocently explain her disappearance. IMO, if someone is going to commit suicide because they are despondent over the breakup with someone they are going to do it where they can be easily found so to send a message to that person.
Also, if she was going to commit suicide in a remote area she would either need to drive somewhere or walk. Why was her car still there and why was the seat pushed back so far?
I hope the cops tested to approximate the height of someone who would be comfortable driving at that setting.
Officially, authorities say they are paying little heed to the chatter. But privately, they acknowledge that they are monitoring the blogs and the message boards in the hopes however faint that they may lead them to someone they haven't yet interviewed who may have some critical information.
Yeah! They read us!!
Friends, among them some who knew about Tara's unhappy romance, have told Crime Library that it is possible that she might have run away in a fit of despondency. Though they are loath to say it some even some friends admit that it is not entirely out of the question that the bright, articulate and fiercely religious young woman might have taken her own life.
As stated above the facts just don't point that way.
I live in Rochester, New York and in the late 80's and early 90's there was serial killer named Arthur Shawcross (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/shawcross/life_1.html) who was killing hookers.
One of the things that the LE people said, and they brought in profilers, was that a killer will usually dispose of a body in area they are familiar with.
It turned out a lot of his victims were found in areas he liked to fish in.
IMO, the most likely place to find her body is a place where the suspects frequent. Do they hunt in the wood if so where mostly? Does anyone have a cabin somewhere? Is there a place they like to swim? Is there a place, in Harpers case, that training sessions for the military were carried out?
The hardest part of proving Harper did it will be that his fingerprints and hair and other things won't be unusual in her house or car.
believe09
01-04-2009, 02:04 PM
Now I can attribute the clock and the lamp to the cat, but now I am curious as to who first referenced the cat in relationship to those two items....if it was any of the usual suspects, then certainly the cat's responsibility might be minimized.
The scene inside the house was so compromised, it has to be virtually useless. Combine that with the guy who processed the car for GBI was someone Tara had filed a complaint against regarding unprofessional conduct, IIRC, so almost anything that was obtained from the car has to be taken with a grain of salt right??
What we have here is a boondoggle.
Now, if you were the perp and you were going to use a latex glove, would you double glove and have someone else's used glove on top??? Meaning the side that would have touched Tara? If she bit him hard, which I hope she did sorry to say, then perhaps she might have reached the perp. If it were Gattis or Harper, I would say they are more than smart enough to double glove....JMO.
Linkage (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/forensics/tara_grinstead/2.html)
Here are some snippets from the story:
There were also a few puzzling details.
Her bedroom lamp, for example, was knocked askew. There was, of course, no way of telling when or how that had happened. What's more, her digital alarm clock had apparently fallen to the floor and was now six hours off, but authorities had no way of determining whether that any significance either. Perhaps the clock had simply stopped during one of the not- infrequent power outages the neighborhood had experienced. Or perhaps it meant something more. There was also the fact that the driver's seat on Tara's car had been pushed back further than the 5-foot-3 woman would have been likely to favor it. Again, the cops didn't know if it meant anything.
Finally, there was the glove, a latex glove, the kind worn by doctors, and paramedics and cops that was discovered on Tara's otherwise pristine front lawn.
Ok, first the lamp and alarm clock. The lamp may be the sign of a struggle. As far as the alarm clock goes I know that whenever my digital alarm clock goes off due to a power outage or being unplugged it flashes 12:00. I would hope the police tested it after dusting for FP and such.
The latex gloves point toward Harper or Gattis. I also have latex gloves in my house because I collect football cards to sell on eBay and I don't want to get the oils from hands on them. So they can be purchased at regular pharmacies.
Harper who was shot in profile reportedly in part as a safety precaution because of his job as an independent contractor who has worked in Iraq challenged the reports and said he had seen Tara about 9 a.m. on Friday, Oct. 14, a school day, when she turned up at his house. Harper said that Tara had threatened to commit suicide, though after a short interruption in the taping, Harper added that Tara had returned later that day and asked him for a hug, apparently indicating that it would be the last time.
Very suspect. What was she doing on his doorstep at 9am on a school day. I don't know much about this case except what's in that article but would she be able to be there at 9am without being missed at school?
How close does he live to the school?
Saying someone threatened to commit suicide seems like a way to innocently explain her disappearance. IMO, if someone is going to commit suicide because they are despondent over the breakup with someone they are going to do it where they can be easily found so to send a message to that person.
Also, if she was going to commit suicide in a remote area she would either need to drive somewhere or walk. Why was her car still there and why was the seat pushed back so far?
I hope the cops tested to approximate the height of someone who would be comfortable driving at that setting.
Officially, authorities say they are paying little heed to the chatter. But privately, they acknowledge that they are monitoring the blogs and the message boards in the hopes however faint that they may lead them to someone they haven't yet interviewed who may have some critical information.
Yeah! They read us!!
Friends, among them some who knew about Tara's unhappy romance, have told Crime Library that it is possible that she might have run away in a fit of despondency. Though they are loath to say it some even some friends admit that it is not entirely out of the question that the bright, articulate and fiercely religious young woman might have taken her own life.
As stated above the facts just don't point that way.
I live in Rochester, New York and in the late 80's and early 90's there was serial killer named Arthur Shawcross (http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/shawcross/life_1.html) who was killing hookers.
One of the things that the LE people said, and they brought in profilers, was that a killer will usually dispose of a body in area they are familiar with.
It turned out a lot of his victims were found in areas he liked to fish in.
IMO, the most likely place to find her body is a place where the suspects frequent. Do they hunt in the wood if so where mostly? Does anyone have a cabin somewhere? Is there a place they like to swim? Is there a place, in Harpers case, that training sessions for the military were carried out?
The hardest part of proving Harper did it will be that his fingerprints and hair and other things won't be unusual in her house or car.
My2CentsWorth
01-06-2009, 09:04 AM
I lean toward Gattis for this for several reasons, mainly just a "gut" feeling, but if some of you will recall a while back there was a psycic that gave a decription of what she felt the person looked like and to me she hit Gattis on the head. I all ready leaned toward him for this but after that it was like a light bulb.
TDEAN30
01-06-2009, 09:50 AM
I have to say that at this very moment I am a little in shock! I just found out after reading this that my boss is Larry Gattis's brother. They do not speak and have not spoken for many many years, but it is a bit weird knowing that.
My2CentsWorth
01-06-2009, 03:25 PM
I'm not sure where the post was about the psychic but it was on here somewhere with a link. Esah or Concerned Person my remember. HELP US OUT!!!haha
My2CentsWorth
01-06-2009, 04:16 PM
Seems like it may have been forensic astrology or something, not quite sure. But I remember it saying that the man had light hair, broad shoulders, & was thin enough that is spine would be visable without a shirt on, that part sticks in my head.
My2CentsWorth
01-06-2009, 04:37 PM
Believe09 do you remember what I'm talking about?
believe09
01-06-2009, 10:45 PM
I have to say that at this very moment I am a little in shock! I just found out after reading this that my boss is Larry Gattis's brother. They do not speak and have not spoken for many many years, but it is a bit weird knowing that.
K I know this is creepy of me, but wonder if he would be interested in talking about the case at all and his impressions???
Too insensitive of me???
believe09
01-06-2009, 10:51 PM
I'm not sure where the post was about the psychic but it was on here somewhere with a link. Esah or Concerned Person my remember. HELP US OUT!!!haha
Doesn't ring a bell with me, honey.
My2CentsWorth
01-07-2009, 06:35 AM
I found the website, http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2008/08/tara-grinstead.html
TDEAN30
01-07-2009, 07:59 AM
K I know this is creepy of me, but wonder if he would be interested in talking about the case at all and his impressions???
Too insensitive of me???
No I don't think it is insensitive of you, but at the same time I don't think he will have much to say about it, he is a very quiet person who in all the time I have worked here have only spoke to him about 5 times, and he sits right below me every single day. Having said that I am probably the most interested in what he thinks, so I will do my very best to get his feelings on this.
believe09
01-07-2009, 08:45 AM
No I don't think it is insensitive of you, but at the same time I don't think he will have much to say about it, he is a very quiet person who in all the time I have worked here have only spoke to him about 5 times, and he sits right below me every single day. Having said that I am probably the most interested in what he thinks, so I will do my very best to get his feelings on this.
:blowkiss: Thank you...
believe09
01-07-2009, 08:59 AM
Revisiting the Deceptive Polygraph results-this is a voluntary interview done with Larry, Anita and Greta Van Sustren. These are Larry's words, and I have never, ever seen anything where he disputes speaking these words...:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182784,00.html
snip
"VAN SUSTEREN: Anita, what do you make of the fact that they don't think that your husband was telling the truth in the polygraph? Do you think that they had a bad polygrapher? Do you think they were lying to Larry? What do you think?
A. GATTIS: Well, they told him he passed the polygraph except for one question and we've been told that, you know, that's not how they give you, you know, pass or fail. It's not you passed everything but one question.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did they tell you what the question was?
A. GATTIS: Yes, it was that he had had an affair with Tara.
VAN SUSTEREN: And, Dr. Gattis, Larry, I mean you deny that, I mean you say that they're lying about that, Larry, is that right?
L. GATTIS: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Immediately when I left, I was hurt. I was upset. I called Anita. I called Faye (ph), Anita and Tara's mother. I told her. She's been livid about it. Actually, she wanted to come down tonight and come on too to talk about this. She was really upset.
But, they didn't seem concerned about really if I had done anything with Tara involved in the disappearance. It was more like something, you know, they had on me. They said, "Don't worry, we won't tell your wife." I said, "That's fine. I'm going to go tell her right now because it's all, you know, absolutely preposterous."
VAN SUSTEREN: All right and still and the bottom line is Tara's been missing since October 22nd and still no sign of her lots of searches. Larry, Anita, thank you both very much and, you know, the search goes on for Tara. Thank you.
A. GATTIS: Thank you.
L. GATTIS: Thank you."
snip
Earlier on in the interview, he indicates that he "doesn't believe he was ever asked if he hurt Tara..." As an aside, how is it he could not remember being asked that question? Considering the fact that GBI would not release the results of the polygraph, it is a safe bet for him to say what he will about it I guess...
"LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD'S BROTHER-IN-LAW: They asked me a lot of questions. I don't believe they ever asked me if I had hurt Tara or done anything to her. Mainly they were interested in my history, my medical history, Tara's personal medical history. They were interested in rumors that they had heard and about some sort of inappropriate affair I had had with Tara supposedly."
In a case as complicated as this one, with as many players, I have to believe that the above interview makes Dr. Gattis a legitimate POI. Not to the exclusion of all others, but he has to be included. JMO. Respectfully.
Steely Dan
01-07-2009, 10:05 AM
Revisiting the Deceptive Polygraph results-this is a voluntary interview done with Larry, Anita and Greta Van Sustren. These are Larry's words, and I have never, ever seen anything where he disputes speaking these words...:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182784,00.html
snip
"VAN SUSTEREN: Anita, what do you make of the fact that they don't think that your husband was telling the truth in the polygraph? Do you think that they had a bad polygrapher? Do you think they were lying to Larry? What do you think?
A. GATTIS: Well, they told him he passed the polygraph except for one question and we've been told that, you know, that's not how they give you, you know, pass or fail. It's not you passed everything but one question.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did they tell you what the question was?
A. GATTIS: Yes, it was that he had had an affair with Tara.
VAN SUSTEREN: And, Dr. Gattis, Larry, I mean you deny that, I mean you say that they're lying about that, Larry, is that right?
L. GATTIS: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Immediately when I left, I was hurt. I was upset. I called Anita. I called Faye (ph), Anita and Tara's mother. I told her. She's been livid about it. Actually, she wanted to come down tonight and come on too to talk about this. She was really upset.
But, they didn't seem concerned about really if I had done anything with Tara involved in the disappearance. It was more like something, you know, they had on me. They said, "Don't worry, we won't tell your wife." I said, "That's fine. I'm going to go tell her right now because it's all, you know, absolutely preposterous."
VAN SUSTEREN: All right and still and the bottom line is Tara's been missing since October 22nd and still no sign of her lots of searches. Larry, Anita, thank you both very much and, you know, the search goes on for Tara. Thank you.
A. GATTIS: Thank you.
L. GATTIS: Thank you."
snip
Earlier on in the interview, he indicates that he "doesn't believe he was ever asked if he hurt Tara..." As an aside, how is it he could not remember being asked that question? Considering the fact that GBI would not release the results of the polygraph, it is a safe bet for him to say what he will about it I guess...
"LARRY GATTIS, TARA GRINSTEAD'S BROTHER-IN-LAW: They asked me a lot of questions. I don't believe they ever asked me if I had hurt Tara or done anything to her. Mainly they were interested in my history, my medical history, Tara's personal medical history. They were interested in rumors that they had heard and about some sort of inappropriate affair I had had with Tara supposedly."
In a case as complicated as this one, with as many players, I have to believe that the above interview makes Dr. Gattis a legitimate POI. Not to the exclusion of all others, but he has to be included. JMO. Respectfully.
I'm not sure that a guy having an affair and lying about it makes him a murderer. A lot of husbands out there would lie about that.
I do have a question about the release of the polygraph results. He may have failed more than one question. So he had to come up with a question that sounded reasonable to his wife since they told him he failed.
I can't think of any other question that sounds believable enough that LE would still be interested in him. I think it was the least of the evils. :confused:
believe09
01-07-2009, 11:02 AM
I'm not sure that a guy having an affair and lying about it makes him a murderer. A lot of husbands out there would lie about that.
I do have a question about the release of the polygraph results. He may have failed more than one question. So he had to come up with a question that sounded reasonable to his wife since they told him he failed.
I can't think of any other question that sounds believable enough that LE would still be interested in him. I think it was the least of the evils. :confused:
I am on the same page as you-I am skeptical that this is either the only question he failed or the one he failed. So, were there other records that might have supported an affair with Tara?
Additionally-the reason I brought the information back in here is because I wanted to illustrate why I felt Dr. Gattis was a legitimate person of interest. If you take a look at what makes each person we have discussed a poi, mentioning a failed polygraph has to be considered significant, imo...
concernedperson
01-07-2009, 11:02 PM
I am on the same page as you-I am skeptical that this is either the only question he failed or the one he failed. So, were there other records that might have supported an affair with Tara?
Additionally-the reason I brought the information back in here is because I wanted to illustrate why I felt Dr. Gattis was a legitimate person of interest. If you take a look at what makes each person we have discussed a poi, mentioning a failed polygraph has to be considered significant, imo...
I don't think he is involved with Tara's disappearance. Could be something else from the past? GBI has never confirmed his allegations of a failed question so I wonder if this was some hard boil questioning? LE lies? We know they do to get answers. He seemed hyper bent after but he and his wife were the ones that led searches long after LE stopped.
I don't know but I wouldn't give a clean slate to locals either.
Cadaver scent at the Snapdragon fire is more significant than anything else we know. No other person was reported missing. And, the owners of the property lived in Florida and stated that no one had ever died at that house.
Steely Dan
01-08-2009, 02:49 AM
I don't think he is involved with Tara's disappearance. Could be something else from the past? GBI has never confirmed his allegations of a failed question so I wonder if this was some hard boil questioning? LE lies? We know they do to get answers. He seemed hyper bent after but he and his wife were the ones that led searches long after LE stopped.
I don't know but I wouldn't give a clean slate to locals either.
Cadaver scent at the Snapdragon fire is more significant than anything else we know. No other person was reported missing. And, the owners of the property lived in Florida and stated that no one had ever died at that house.
What is this about the Snapdragon fire?
believe09
01-08-2009, 09:12 AM
What is this about the Snapdragon fire?
There is no "snap shot" of that event that will cover the details, I think SD-here is the thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64665
Mod Christine2448 was able to not only obtain the fire report which is well worth reading, but also the pictures from the blaze.
Steely Dan
01-08-2009, 10:20 AM
There is no "snap shot" of that event that will cover the details, I think SD-here is the thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64665
Mod Christine2448 was able to not only obtain the fire report which is well worth reading, but also the pictures from the blaze.
Muchos Gracias Senorita! :rocker:
Steely Dan
01-08-2009, 10:42 AM
Here's a link (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/30/48hours/main4219397.shtml?source=search_story) to an article on a 48 Hours investigation. They think her murder may be linked to another womans murder, Jennifer Keese.
Steely Dan
01-08-2009, 11:38 AM
From the 48 hours article.
And besides the DNA, Rothwell says they also got a fingerprint. But when they compared the DNA and fingerprint to the men in Tara's life, there was no match.
There was no match nationally, either. Still, investigators can't eliminate any of the men in Tara's life, since they might have had an accomplice. "We always have to consider the possibility of a third party. Either someone was involved in getting a third party to harm Tara or that Tara was harmed by accident and a third party was used to help cover up the crime," Rothwell says.
So let's assume the glove belonged to an accomplice. I first thought of Harpers old partner that he drove around with that night but I believe police officers have to submit their DNA and fingerprints when they're hired. :waitasec: If not then Harpers story sounds hinky to me.
The abductor obviously had an accomplice, IMO, because her car was still there and the seat was moved back. So if the abductor used her car and came back to her place then he probably didn't just walk away.
If the Jennifer Keese case (Hey that rhymes!) is related to the Grinstead case then it's most likely a traveling serial killer. If one of the construction workers can be linked to being in both areas at the same time that would be a big break. It's particularly interesting that the bloodhounds trailed back to her complex.
The video from the Keese investigation shows a person 5'3" to 5'5". I find it hard to believe that a guy that size could over power one or both of these women easily.
Also, Tara's car seat was pushed back farther than someone about 5'5" would be able to drive.
Since the DNA on the glove doesn't match any known suspects in Tara's life I lean more toward random crime.
The DVD in Keese's crime is intriguing. It appears, evidently, that it has no ties to her. In the article they don't say whether there were fingerprints on it or not. They had to have gotten fingerprints off the steering wheel of her car. If not was the driver wearing gloves? If he was that seems like another tie in to both cases.
I'm curious too as to whether or not they could track down which store sold the DVD player by the serial number? I believe inventories at those stores are kept by model # and serial number so if it's sold they can make sure it came from their store if someone tries to return it.
If it is a pair of construction workers going from one place to another it's probably not going to be solved until their DNA or fingerprints show up in the national database.
Steely Dan
01-08-2009, 11:40 AM
One more thing. Where is the Snapdragon located in reference to Tara's home?
Second did the cadaver dogs hit on her scent specifically or just a corpse's scent?
believe09
01-08-2009, 01:22 PM
Muchos Gracias Senorita! :rocker:
Gesundheit...jk. I love that smilie and have never had one posted to me before!!! I feel cool.
believe09
01-08-2009, 01:31 PM
Regarding the serial killer angle:
Tara lived in a small town in a remote area with no real construction being done, IIRC. Jennifer lived in a big city with construction work going on all around her....
How was Tara chosen?
If it was a stranger abduction, then by golly this was clearly not his first because how could he possibly have known that people would tramp everywhere before her home was secured, the car would be processed by someone who should have recused himself and that she would have a boyfriend who was tailor made as a suspect?
Jennifer Kesse could have been put into a construction dumpster and hauled away so easily with no one ever knowing where she went. Tara was either removed from the town or was dumped in the significant woods that surrounds her area.
Too many methods for me....
Tara seems to have too many people around her with some kind of motive (for lack of a better word) or some kind of intense involvement in her life. Jennifer doesn't strike me as having the same number of people obsessed with her...but I do not know the case well.
Steely Dan
01-08-2009, 02:05 PM
Regarding the serial killer angle:
Tara lived in a small town in a remote area with no real construction being done, IIRC. Jennifer lived in a big city with construction work going on all around her....
How was Tara chosen?
If it was a stranger abduction, then by golly this was clearly not his first because how could he possibly have known that people would tramp everywhere before her home was secured, the car would be processed by someone who should have recused himself and that she would have a boyfriend who was tailor made as a suspect?
Jennifer Kesse could have been put into a construction dumpster and hauled away so easily with no one ever knowing where she went. Tara was either removed from the town or was dumped in the significant woods that surrounds her area.
Too many methods for me....
Tara seems to have too many people around her with some kind of motive (for lack of a better word) or some kind of intense involvement in her life. Jennifer doesn't strike me as having the same number of people obsessed with her...but I do not know the case well.
I agree it was most likely done by someone she knows but it is possible that a couple of traveling CW's happened upon her.
The clothes in the Bedroom of TG's home makes me think it wasn't a stranger that came into her place.
Trino
01-09-2009, 08:57 PM
From the 48 hours article.
And besides the DNA, Rothwell says they also got a fingerprint. But when they compared the DNA and fingerprint to the men in Tara's life, there was no match.
There was no match nationally, either. Still, investigators can't eliminate any of the men in Tara's life, since they might have had an accomplice. "We always have to consider the possibility of a third party. Either someone was involved in getting a third party to harm Tara or that Tara was harmed by accident and a third party was used to help cover up the crime," Rothwell says.
So let's assume the glove belonged to an accomplice. I first thought of Harpers old partner that he drove around with that night but I believe police officers have to submit their DNA and fingerprints when they're hired. :waitasec: If not then Harpers story sounds hinky to me.
The abductor obviously had an accomplice, IMO, because her car was still there and the seat was moved back. So if the abductor used her car and came back to her place then he probably didn't just walk away.
If the Jennifer Keese case (Hey that rhymes!) is related to the Grinstead case then it's most likely a traveling serial killer. If one of the construction workers can be linked to being in both areas at the same time that would be a big break. It's particularly interesting that the bloodhounds trailed back to her complex.
The video from the Keese investigation shows a person 5'3" to 5'5". I find it hard to believe that a guy that size could over power one or both of these women easily.
Also, Tara's car seat was pushed back farther than someone about 5'5" would be able to drive.
Since the DNA on the glove doesn't match any known suspects in Tara's life I lean more toward random crime.
The DVD in Keese's crime is intriguing. It appears, evidently, that it has no ties to her. In the article they don't say whether there were fingerprints on it or not. They had to have gotten fingerprints off the steering wheel of her car. If not was the driver wearing gloves? If he was that seems like another tie in to both cases.
I'm curious too as to whether or not they could track down which store sold the DVD player by the serial number? I believe inventories at those stores are kept by model # and serial number so if it's sold they can make sure it came from their store if someone tries to return it.
If it is a pair of construction workers going from one place to another it's probably not going to be solved until their DNA or fingerprints show up in the national database.
I haven't posted in a while, since there's no movement and little news to discuss.
Oscilla is pretty far off the beaten track, so to speak. Construction isn't part of that town at all. A random killing there would be unlikely, too. The town is small.
I've felt for some time that a PAID third party - pro hit man - was involved, which is why the prints matched no one in town or in a national database.
concernedperson
01-09-2009, 10:05 PM
I haven't posted in a while, since there's no movement and little news to discuss.
Oscilla is pretty far off the beaten track, so to speak. Construction isn't part of that town at all. A random killing there would be unlikely, too. The town is small.
I've felt for some time that a PAID third party - pro hit man - was involved, which is why the prints matched no one in town or in a national database.
Yes and yes! I heard that 48 Hours will revisit this crime tomorrow night. I also hear that there is a new snippit. I don't know anything personally so I hope that there is new news.
christine2448
01-10-2009, 10:47 AM
Thanks for the update CP!
Hi everyone!
It's been a while since I posted anything here. I see that there is something on 48 tonight on Tara. I'll have to check that out. Thanks CP for telling us.
concernedperson
01-10-2009, 07:18 PM
YW, lovely ladies. I hope there is some new news. Just a snippet could have us off and running again given the amount of data collected so far. Pieces of the puzzle could help put it together and get some justice for Tara.
Tammie63
01-11-2009, 02:06 AM
Esah, Concern haven't posted here in a while and dont visit other forums so just wondering did you two get to see the 48hrs and was there any new info.
LillyRush
01-16-2009, 01:02 AM
I have a feeling that what really happened is something that Concernedperson touched upon in her post after yours. LE could have easily lied, as part of routine questioning, and he actually may not have failed any of the questions. In all this time, I have never read or heard LE verify that he failed the lie detector test. The only reason why it became a public point of discussion is that Larry and Anita Gattis were upset enough about it to bring to Greta Van Susteren's attention.
So, I could be totally wrong, but I really think the reason why Larry Gattis's story to GVS about the polygraph sounds like it's missing a detail is because there are no other details. I think it was just an le lie, trick, whatever you want to call it, thinking he may talk. They probably had no idea that it would get to the level of him publically calling out the way they treated him in the polygraph room. I suppose, by now, they may have let him know whether he really failed the question or not.
I'm not sure that a guy having an affair and lying about it makes him a murderer. A lot of husbands out there would lie about that.
I do have a question about the release of the polygraph results. He may have failed more than one question. So he had to come up with a question that sounded reasonable to his wife since they told him he failed.
I can't think of any other question that sounds believable enough that LE would still be interested in him. I think it was the least of the evils. :confused:
believe09
01-16-2009, 09:16 AM
I have a feeling that what really happened is something that Concernedperson touched upon in her post after yours. LE could have easily lied, as part of routine questioning, and he actually may not have failed any of the questions. In all this time, I have never read or heard LE verify that he failed the lie detector test. The only reason why it became a public point of discussion is that Larry and Anita Gattis were upset enough about it to bring to Greta Van Susteren's attention.
So, I could be totally wrong, but I really think the reason why Larry Gattis's story to GVS about the polygraph sounds like it's missing a detail is because there are no other details. I think it was just an le lie, trick, whatever you want to call it, thinking he may talk. They probably had no idea that it would get to the level of him publically calling out the way they treated him in the polygraph room. I suppose, by now, they may have let him know whether he really failed the question or not.
I think that is certainly possible, but until recently, I think that LE has been very, very consistent regarding NOT commenting on most of what it out there, and further I do not believe that the GBI would release the results of a lie detector test since it is an investigative tool...jmo.
I am just curious as to why this LDT test and result as confessed by Larry Gattis is not being considered for what it is on the surface-that one of the POI's has shown himself as having something to hide.
I am intrigued as to why the Gattis's chose to share the result with the media when it was very likely that GBI would not be releasing the results to the media....unless they believed that Larry was about to be picked up and they thought they would do some damage control by "dropping the bomb" themselves. And they could put their own spin on it.
Steely Dan
01-16-2009, 11:54 AM
I think that is certainly possible, but until recently, I think that LE has been very, very consistent regarding NOT commenting on most of what it out there, and further I do not believe that the GBI would release the results of a lie detector test since it is an investigative tool...jmo.
I am just curious as to why this LDT test and result as confessed by Larry Gattis is not being considered for what it is on the surface-that one of the POI's has shown himself as having something to hide.
I am intrigued as to why the Gattis's chose to share the result with the media when it was very likely that GBI would not be releasing the results to the media....unless they believed that Larry was about to be picked up and they thought they would do some damage control by "dropping the bomb" themselves. And they could put their own spin on it.
I think it was a preemptive strike in case LE released a statement saying he failed his LDT. He wanted to explain the question he failed in case LE only said he failed the LDT without telling the specific question he failed.
believe09
01-16-2009, 12:49 PM
I think it was a preemptive strike in case LE released a statement saying he failed his LDT. He wanted to explain the question he failed in case LE only said he failed the LDT without telling the specific question he failed.
I understand what you are saying, but IIRC, I do not recall there being much in the way of information being passed along by the GBI in those days. In many ways, this is the reason I have felt that this case is tough to sleuth because GBI has held their cards pretty close up until this point. Granted, now we are seeing some information on third party DNA etc...
Prior to the 48 hours media blitz in 2008, I recall seeing a few stories printed with people on the ground discussing GBI searches and the like, but nothing really coming from them. Maybe I have missed it all? :waitasec:
LillyRush
02-03-2009, 10:00 PM
Thanks for your response, believe. I see what you're saying and I'm not saying that Larry can be ruled out entirely. I realize that the GBI has been tight-lipped about most things here. But I seem to remember someone discussing the results of MH's poly, as far as pass or fail, and wanting everyone to know that he passed. It may not have been the GBI who released that, maybe it was MH's personal attorney. I can't remember.
Regardless, I'm just saying I think they had every right to anticipate that someone in that town would leak something. I live 3,000 miles away and had already read the rumors started by locals online, including all the negative things people had to say about her sister and brother in law. That was long before this lie detector test. So, my impression of their reaction on GVS is that this situation where essentially a rumor got tagged on to an official list of polygraph questions may have been the last straw.
I don't know. They just seemed upset and as if they had nowhere locally to turn. So, they turned to one of the two other media outlets who had been there for them--GVS (the other being NG). And like I said, I could totally see how that could be the case when even people like me who live far away sensed that Tara's family did not have very much support within Ocilla.
I think that is certainly possible, but until recently, I think that LE has been very, very consistent regarding NOT commenting on most of what it out there, and further I do not believe that the GBI would release the results of a lie detector test since it is an investigative tool...jmo.
I am just curious as to why this LDT test and result as confessed by Larry Gattis is not being considered for what it is on the surface-that one of the POI's has shown himself as having something to hide.
I am intrigued as to why the Gattis's chose to share the result with the media when it was very likely that GBI would not be releasing the results to the media....unless they believed that Larry was about to be picked up and they thought they would do some damage control by "dropping the bomb" themselves. And they could put their own spin on it.
concernedperson
02-03-2009, 10:14 PM
Thanks for your response, believe. I see what you're saying and I'm not saying that Larry can be ruled out entirely. I realize that the GBI has been tight-lipped about most things here. But I seem to remember someone discussing the results of MH's poly, as far as pass or fail, and wanting everyone to know that he passed. It may not have been the GBI who released that, maybe it was MH's personal attorney. I can't remember.
Regardless, I'm just saying I think they had every right to anticipate that someone in that town would leak something. I live 3,000 miles away and had already read the rumors started by locals online, including all the negative things people had to say about her sister and brother in law. That was long before this lie detector test. So, my impression of their reaction on GVS is that this situation where essentially a rumor got tagged on to an official list of polygraph questions may have been the last straw.
I don't know. They just seemed upset and as if they had nowhere locally to turn. So, they turned to one of the two other media outlets who had been there for them--GVS (the other being NG). And like I said, I could totally see how that could be the case when even people like me who live far away sensed that Tara's family did not have very much support within Ocilla.
You are right on. Plus, they trusted the wrong people in the beginning. I ran into some of them myself and, boy, what an experience. One I never want to go through again. Some of those people are remarkable as far as mountains out of molehills and conversely minimalizing other issues when they want to protect. Truly scary and stalking isn't out of the realm for that group. I have said enough but you get the picture.
LillyRush
02-03-2009, 11:29 PM
You are right on. Plus, they trusted the wrong people in the beginning. I ran into some of them myself and, boy, what an experience. One I never want to go through again. Some of those people are remarkable as far as mountains out of molehills and conversely minimalizing other issues when they want to protect. Truly scary and stalking isn't out of the realm for that group. I have said enough but you get the picture.
Yep, I can totally understand how they'd end up feeling like the only person (with influence) that they could talk to was someone like GVS.
believe09
02-04-2009, 09:47 AM
You are right on. Plus, they trusted the wrong people in the beginning. I ran into some of them myself and, boy, what an experience. One I never want to go through again. Some of those people are remarkable as far as mountains out of molehills and conversely minimalizing other issues when they want to protect. Truly scary and stalking isn't out of the realm for that group. I have said enough but you get the picture.
Yep, I can totally understand how they'd end up feeling like the only person (with influence) that they could talk to was someone like GVS.
Are you guys talking about locals or GBI? (In terms of being victimized by..)
I guess the way I am reading this is that there were locals who had an agenda regarding Dr. Gattis and his wife. Let's say, for the sake of argument that this is true and that this caused the locals to focus on Dr. Gattis and not on any other POI's. Further, let's say that this caused the locals to minimize evidence that might point away from Dr. Gattis. It seems doubtful, on the surface, that this would cause GBI to be swayed in one direction or another unless there was something definitive that pointed in a particular direction.
I do not mean to belabor the point-I just think that it was extraordinary of Dr. Gattis to get on a national talk show and implicate himself-I mean, in a layperson's world failing a LDT is significant. Even if the question he did not pass (so to speak) did not specifically deal with the abduction itself.
I keep falling back on my original opinion that they leaked it in relationship to damage control.
May I ask why the locals are not fond of Dr. Gattis and Anita?
LillyRush
02-04-2009, 03:58 PM
believe, I'm talking mainly about the locals, which would include the local le. I'm sure that the GBI does as best they can to remain objective. But, surely, some of these local rumors were passed on to them from local le and "tips" they may have heard. I don't think that locals only focused on Larry Gattis as a POI. I'm just talking about him here because that's what we're focusing on in this thread.
Overall, it has come across as though the locals pretty much do not support anyone who is not a local. They don't like LG or AG. They don't like HD. Or, even the computer salesman or who ever he was who visited Tara from some other place. But, start talking about MH or AV or pretty much any other Ocilla native and there are all kinds of reasons why it could not possibly be them.
You don't think this negative vibe that was aimed at some of these people carried over at all to the police when they were questioning people? Again, I do think the GBI tries to walk into these situations as objectively as possible. But, this question about LG possibly having an affair came from a rumor. So, obviously they are drawing upon some of the local opinion to form their questions, etc.
believe09
02-05-2009, 08:49 AM
believe, I'm talking mainly about the locals, which would include the local le. I'm sure that the GBI does as best they can to remain objective. But, surely, some of these local rumors were passed on to them from local le and "tips" they may have heard. I don't think that locals only focused on Larry Gattis as a POI. I'm just talking about him here because that's what we're focusing on in this thread.
Overall, it has come across as though the locals pretty much do not support anyone who is not a local. They don't like LG or AG. They don't like HD. Or, even the computer salesman or who ever he was who visited Tara from some other place. But, start talking about MH or AV or pretty much any other Ocilla native and there are all kinds of reasons why it could not possibly be them.
You don't think this negative vibe that was aimed at some of these people carried over at all to the police when they were questioning people? Again, I do think the GBI tries to walk into these situations as objectively as possible. But, this question about LG possibly having an affair came from a rumor. So, obviously they are drawing upon some of the local opinion to form their questions, etc.
My bold and italics. It might have stemmed from a rumor, but to me it is also a common sense question. A young woman had disappeared; you draw your circles nearest to her and work outward, right? That would be MH, HD and LG, imo. And if the Gattis' accurately reported the results of his LDT, then GBI hit paydirt with the question.
What stands out to me is his perception that he showed deception with that question. While I get the fact that the locals defend MH and anyone else who might have been from Ocilla, if it had been HD or JH or MH who had showed deception regarding a relevant question on a LDT, I think most of us would have had them strung up by now-especially MH. I find it curious that something on the surface that is so significant to me, and something that the POI confessed himself, is being dismissed. I am not taking it personally, mind you. I just think that Dr. Gattis is being given slack that others may have not received if it were them. JMO.
Does anyone know if Dr. Gattis was a hunter or a fisherman?
dearmont
02-05-2009, 09:08 AM
Dr.LG was an avid hiker I believe and musician - his website has been posted here before IIRC. www.gooseneckstringband.com (http://www.gooseneckstringband.com)
There is a song featured on his website "Little Sisters" which is an original song written by Larry Gattis and inspired by two graves that he came across while backpacking in the Great Smokey Mountains near Nichols Cove which I feel is eerily connected to Tara. The song names one sister as "Colleen" - could this be a cryptic reference to another Irish girls name - "Tara"?
concernedperson
02-05-2009, 08:31 PM
My bold and italics. It might have stemmed from a rumor, but to me it is also a common sense question. A young woman had disappeared; you draw your circles nearest to her and work outward, right? That would be MH, HD and LG, imo. And if the Gattis' accurately reported the results of his LDT, then GBI hit paydirt with the question.
What stands out to me is his perception that he showed deception with that question. While I get the fact that the locals defend MH and anyone else who might have been from Ocilla, if it had been HD or JH or MH who had showed deception regarding a relevant question on a LDT, I think most of us would have had them strung up by now-especially MH. I find it curious that something on the surface that is so significant to me, and something that the POI confessed himself, is being dismissed. I am not taking it personally, mind you. I just think that Dr. Gattis is being given slack that others may have not received if it were them. JMO.
Does anyone know if Dr. Gattis was a hunter or a fisherman?
First of all we don't know that there was deception only that he was told there was. LDT's are subjective and are tools in the investigative process. I think he had to be ruled out and this was a GBI LDT not a private LDT as given to MH.
Anytime someone hides behind their lawyer in a case and is given private LDT's is more significant IMO. LE will lie to get results all within the confines of the law and Dr. Gattis did not have benefit of a lawyer as he was willing to take a GBI LDT. MH was not.
FWIW, I don't believe Dr. Gattis was a hunter or fisherman. I do know that MH was as well as his friends including his second night alibi Joe Hilton. Hilton was a DNR officer and may still be one. Haven't kept up that much lately.
concernedperson
02-05-2009, 09:53 PM
Every time I try to get pass some prejudices "Deliverance" creeps in. It just seems that some locals are fully equipped with this phenomena. Doesn't seem they recognize anything other than their own noses. Their willingness to accept anomaly is inbred and the will to fling it outside of their own boundaries is/should be expected.Anyone that would talk is silenced at this point for fear of job loss or recrimination. I seriously doubt this crime will ever be solved.
believe09
02-06-2009, 09:41 AM
First of all we don't know that there was deception only that he was told there was. LDT's are subjective and are tools in the investigative process. I think he had to be ruled out and this was a GBI LDT not a private LDT as given to MH.
Anytime someone hides behind their lawyer in a case and is given private LDT's is more significant IMO. LE will lie to get results all within the confines of the law and Dr. Gattis did not have benefit of a lawyer as he was willing to take a GBI LDT. MH was not.
FWIW, I don't believe Dr. Gattis was a hunter or fisherman. I do know that MH was as well as his friends including his second night alibi Joe Hilton. Hilton was a DNR officer and may still be one. Haven't kept up that much lately.
My bold and italics-Thanks CP...I think I posted that it was his "perception" that he showed deception. I posted it in deference to your previous points regarding the possibility that he was intentionally deceived by GBI.
Private LDT VS LE LDT's-agreed that a private LDT is certainly somewhat suspicious. Why would someone believe that they could not trust an LE LDT unless they knew that LE has the latitude to tell the POI that they had failed a question or all of it whether or not it was true? MH would certainly be aware of that, I would think. I am curious however as to if the results of MH's private LDT were made available to LE and if LE had thoughts/opinions regarding the person who administered the test?
concernedperson
02-06-2009, 09:49 PM
My bold and italics-Thanks CP...I think I posted that it was his "perception" that he showed deception. I posted it in deference to your previous points regarding the possibility that he was intentionally deceived by GBI.
Private LDT VS LE LDT's-agreed that a private LDT is certainly somewhat suspicious. Why would someone believe that they could not trust an LE LDT unless they knew that LE has the latitude to tell the POI that they had failed a question or all of it whether or not it was true? MH would certainly be aware of that, I would think. I am curious however as to if the results of MH's private LDT were made available to LE and if LE had thoughts/opinions regarding the person who administered the test?
Yes, you did post about his perception vs. the actual test results. Basically, I am agreeing with that point.
We won't know about MH's private LDT until and unless this case goes to trial. Even then it isn't admissible evidence. So, guesses and curiosity is all we have.
LillyRush
02-07-2009, 02:35 AM
You're saying he had a knee jerk reaction, which may indicate that they hit a nerve with that question. I understand that. To me, though, it seemed like they had been pushed to their breaking point. From what I remember on GVS, they just seemed tired of dealing with the general negativity and rumors that seemed to be aimed at them. There is also the whole factor, as we've discussed, about whether he even really failed that question in the first place.
I know why, of course, they were focusing on her immediate circle of family and friends and working their way out. My thing is that there were other people, as you know, within this circle who would not even agree to a GBI LDT. If LG really had something to hide, why didn't he lawyer up and only agree to a private LDT like some other people did? Honestly, I'm not giving LG a pass or anything. I'm just saying he and Tara's entire side of the family have apparently been more cooperative than others and even more honest with the public about what they've dealt with during interrogations. At this point, we don't even know what type of questions were on MH's LDT. It could have been really generic questions.
My bold and italics. It might have stemmed from a rumor, but to me it is also a common sense question. A young woman had disappeared; you draw your circles nearest to her and work outward, right? That would be MH, HD and LG, imo. And if the Gattis' accurately reported the results of his LDT, then GBI hit paydirt with the question.
What stands out to me is his perception that he showed deception with that question. While I get the fact that the locals defend MH and anyone else who might have been from Ocilla, if it had been HD or JH or MH who had showed deception regarding a relevant question on a LDT, I think most of us would have had them strung up by now-especially MH. I find it curious that something on the surface that is so significant to me, and something that the POI confessed himself, is being dismissed. I am not taking it personally, mind you. I just think that Dr. Gattis is being given slack that others may have not received if it were them. JMO.
Does anyone know if Dr. Gattis was a hunter or a fisherman?
Unsolved
04-20-2009, 11:20 PM
Forgive me for jumping in and posting this - I'm usually over on the Caylee thread and was on the index going down to the PL when I saw this thread and it made me remember a NG show about this case way, way back, and an email I sent to NG after watching it. This has probably been discussed here already, but I thought, you know, just in case, I'm going to add it. Please disregard if it's already been checked out....
I was unfamilar with the case at the time of that NG broadcast, but one thing really stood out to me during that particular NG show, and made me send that email to NG. It was something about the BIL going through Tara's computer and deleting items. There was also something about little white pieces of paper in the trashcan - he took them, threw them away, something weird that I can't remember now? Ugh, I wish I had a copy of what I had asked NG to revisit, but I sent it through the CNN website question section, so it was gone after I hit send. Maybe someone has an archive of old NG shows on Tara and could look at that again?
It was just so weird to me (though NG never picked up on it by questioning him on the show "You did what? Why?", all the questions I was yelling at the TV!) that I had to speak up right after, but I don't know if anything was ever done. Thanks for looking at this - it eases my mind, anyway. :)
RememberTara
04-21-2009, 11:35 AM
... It was something about the BIL going through Tara's computer and deleting items. There was also something about little white pieces of paper in the trashcan - he took them, threw them away, something weird that I can't remember now ...:)
The GBI took Tara's desk top and laptop computers on the first day. To my knowledge the GBI still has the computers. LG was not allowed into the house until after the GBI searched it.
At some time after the GBI searched Tara's house, LG went through Tara's desk and trash looking for any leads that the GBI could have missed.
:+:MrTT:+:
04-25-2009, 09:41 PM
...this case is still unsolved.....is the mind set there, that until something comes up.......they are operating she could have left everything behind and started a new life?.......Tara was not slow witted, if she felt she was being stocked or perceived possible threats from someone, she w0ould have told someone, i also believe she did have a diary, journal etc, that she kept, but that had became missing during the investigation, though i don't know if that was released or not...........
ALL MOO. NOTHING FACTUAL OR FOR CERTAIN ALL SPECULATIONS ON MY PART.
its always been my speculation, that on the night she became missing she was abducted, but not in the house, but outside.....as she was walking and thinking.......perhaps they went back inside for a time, but unsure..........she was not taking far i assumed....far as meaning hundreds of miles or another state.........but somewhere close, preplanned in advance.......all just speculation on my part........
:+:MrTT:+:
04-29-2009, 09:04 AM
...this case is still unsolved.....is the mind set there, that until something comes up.......they are operating she could have left everything behind and started a new life?.......Tara was not slow witted, if she felt she was being stocked or perceived possible threats from someone, she w0ould have told someone, i also believe she did have a diary, journal etc, that she kept, but that had became missing during the investigation, though i don't know if that was released or not...........
ALL MOO. NOTHING FACTUAL OR FOR CERTAIN ALL SPECULATIONS ON MY PART.
its always been my speculation, that on the night she became missing she was abducted, but not in the house, but outside.....as she was walking and thinking.......perhaps they went back inside for a time, but unsure..........she was not taking far i assumed....far as meaning hundreds of miles or another state.........but somewhere close, preplanned in advance.......all just speculation on my part........
...for anyone whom lives in the area......if you stand in front of taras house.........looking at the front of it.......to the left, isnt there a road that goes down and a little hill futher down with woods in the area.........and on the left side of this road are paths that a car or other vehicle can take to go into the woods........it would not be a road, path on a map you could see........but it would be a road that one would have to know about, since it is not traveled on that much............i posted on this case, where i could on couple other boards i used to belong to...........i could try and find those posts and post here, since there my posts i assume that would be ok as far as the rules and regulations are concerned............but in a nutshell........if i was there searching for tara, i would go left from front of the house, and down a road there, over a little hill perhaps, and look for a stretch of road on the left side that is not traveled that much..........that leads up and into the woods, if may come to a dead end as you travel on it.................i always felt she still within the area of her house, and not taken far away............thanks in advacne for answereing my questions about the road........i always have had a spot in my heart for tara, especily after hearing her voice, and all the love persons have for her this day............i wish i could come there and search my self, as i do on most cases i post on........but for now, i cannot and it hurts at times...........
Unsolved
05-02-2009, 12:51 AM
I've been trying to find info on that NG show that I emailed CNN about the BIL (something that bothered me so much when watching her show, but now I can't remember what it was), with no luck. However I did find this transcript of a January 2006 NG show about Tara that is interesting to re-read now:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html
Just thought you might like to read it too. :)
:+:MrTT:+:
05-03-2009, 05:49 PM
I've been trying to find info on that NG show that I emailed CNN about the BIL (something that bothered me so much when watching her show, but now I can't remember what it was), with no luck. However I did find this transcript of a January 2006 NG show about Tara that is interesting to re-read now:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0601/13/ng.01.html
Just thought you might like to read it too. :)
thanks for posting...........the we3ll theory i discounted, seems the person responsible would want more control in where she may be, instead of putting her somewhere random like a well hole...........a area, i had been interested in for a year or so, i was told yesterday it had been searched very well, and nothing relevant to the case was discovered........has LE ever back tracked in there search efforts, have they went back at times, and researched certain areas, just in case the POI decided to go there AFTER LE had cleared it as being clean??.....just curious about that, as I am curious as to why i posted in this thread, instead of the general thread i had intended to post in??..............................that latex glove, i never gave that much of a interest either.........but a black mustang perhaps, may be somewhere, somewhat interesting.....unsure
ALL MOO, NOTHING FACTURAL OR FOR CERTAIN, JUST SPECULATING ON MY PART ON THIS CASE.
Bookthem2
08-15-2009, 01:51 AM
I don't know if LG had anything to do with Tara's missing..I how-ever I think they need to do some reverse listening of his words during one of his interviews. During the part where he spoke about how you could easily get rid of someone dumping them with alligators, and there was something about his affair with Tara also....I did my own reverse and I found some interesting wording. Like I heard something like: Get rid of Nasty DNA...Now a Doctor would understand every thing to do with DNA..if it was his he wouldn't wanted there right? so drop someone Else's used glove to divert the investigation.
I know his office is small BUT....Does any other Dr'S stop by or work at his office during the week?
Because He surely wouldn't leave any DNA to be found if he did hurt Tara...But to help keep him off the police dogs trail he could grab a used glove and drop it at the house leaving lay there for the cops to find and well they did, there for a deversion is made then. I think they could check on all of his employee's or doctors that could have passed through his office or did any type of work like surgeries, blood work,lab work or what ever...Just my own thought!Because face it the glove came from somewhere right?I eman you all have walked through a doctros office..One doctor himself can't do everything in one day!
The reverse technology is questionable, How-ever doing some checking on the subject it has worked in the past for crime investigations.
That Reverse Language technology is very interesting to me!
Just my own thought and a opinion.
Bookthem2
08-15-2009, 02:37 AM
LG was reported to say: I should have read up more about Lye detectors.Hmmm..WHY?
And he held information from AG about his affair.....They asked him during his Lye test..Well... if you ask me..he could have used that to screw his lye test up....WHY..so he didn't look obviously like he was intentionally screwing things up or holding his breath or using a nail in his shoe to make the test do unwanted things.
Because he knew he could ruin the test or use it as a way to make his test go bad and block anything to do with questions about Tara....Good Psychology there.Kill two birds with one stone!
He read the Lye detector test information inside out already and knew just what he was doing that day!
It's just an honest opinion.....
The truth will be found....Some day!
:+:MrTT:+:
08-19-2009, 06:36 PM
LG was reported to say: I should have read up more about Lye detectors.Hmmm..WHY?
And he held information from AG about his affair.....They asked him during his Lye test..Well... if you ask me..he could have used that to screw his lye test up....WHY..so he didn't look obviously like he was intentionally screwing things up or holding his breath or using a nail in his shoe to make the test do unwanted things.
Because he knew he could ruin the test or use it as a way to make his test go bad and block anything to do with questions about Tara....Good Psychology there.Kill two birds with one stone!
He read the Lye detector test information inside out already and knew just what he was doing that day!
It's just an honest opinion.....
The truth will be found....Some day!
.............And maybe we can get them to go back and look through some old sites, that they had cleared so long ago..............
believe09
08-19-2009, 07:09 PM
I don't know if LG had anything to do with Tara's missing..I how-ever I think they need to do some reverse listening of his words during one of his interviews. During the part where he spoke about how you could easily get rid of someone dumping them with alligators, and there was something about his affair with Tara also....I did my own reverse and I found some interesting wording. Like I heard something like: Get rid of Nasty DNA...Now a Doctor would understand every thing to do with DNA..if it was his he wouldn't wanted there right? so drop someone Else's used glove to divert the investigation.
I know his office is small BUT....Does any other Dr'S stop by or work at his office during the week?
Because He surely wouldn't leave any DNA to be found if he did hurt Tara...But to help keep him off the police dogs trail he could grab a used glove and drop it at the house leaving lay there for the cops to find and well they did, there for a deversion is made then. I think they could check on all of his employee's or doctors that could have passed through his office or did any type of work like surgeries, blood work,lab work or what ever...Just my own thought!Because face it the glove came from somewhere right?I eman you all have walked through a doctros office..One doctor himself can't do everything in one day!
The reverse technology is questionable, How-ever doing some checking on the subject it has worked in the past for crime investigations.
That Reverse Language technology is very interesting to me!
Just my own thought and a opinion.
My bold/italics-no disrespect, and somewhat off topic of the thread, but what links do you have showing this technique has worked and is even accepted by LE?? Just curious because I have found much information to the contrary...I have found many practitioners who claim it was used but little documentation that this is true. The "science" behind the technique is extremely questionable as well...JMO.
Back on topic (sorry) I struggle with LG and his veracity.
annboleyn2011
03-11-2011, 09:00 PM
what would have been Gattis's motive? Is Anita and Gattis still married?
believe09
03-11-2011, 10:09 PM
what would have been Gattis's motive? Is Anita and Gattis still married?
Excellent question.
I dont know if the gattis' are still married...I think you would get a number of different answers as to what his motive would have been. Obsession and jealousy spring to mind for me. I guess it also depends on what you believe in terms of who was writing Tara's scripts for anti depressants. I have always been of the belief that the glove found with male DnA was done as a double glove...for example, someone uses glove and tosses it, some one grabs glove from the garbage, double gloves his hand, removes Tara and drops the first glove in a convenient location.
But I am also of the belief that it is just as likely she walked away...Gattis is my favorite suspect if she was kidnapped, fwiw.
annboleyn2011
03-12-2011, 08:40 AM
Personally, I think it is easier to believe that Tara ran away versus being murdered. I believe that as she was such a caring person who gave her time and effort to others that leaving would have been a very selfish thing to do and she was not a selfish person. Even with personal issues going on in her life, it wasn't in her character to leave her family, friends, home, job and pets suddenly. No, I believe something fatal happened to her that night by someone she knew and trusted.
She could have easily went to meet someone or gone out in her car with someone to talk. If you look at the people romantically associated with her who she might have had difficulties with, they number quite a few.
What was Larry G's alibi for that night?
RememberTara
03-13-2011, 05:37 PM
Excellent question.
... I guess it also depends on what you believe in terms of who was writing Tara's scripts for anti depressants...
I've seen claims on other message boards that Tara was on anti-depressants but i do not believe it has ever been released as a fact by the family or LE.
RememberTara
03-13-2011, 05:43 PM
...What was Larry G's alibi for that night?
From an interview LG gave:
LARRY GATTIS: I worked that entire weekend, at the hospital, and your not allowed to get, 15 minutes away from the hospital, its a hospital policy. I was in and out all weekend. The time I was not at the hospital, I was with Anita and Gibe (Anita and Larry's son) at home, and I'm sure they've looked into that. If I was going to pick a weekend to do something terrible, I sure wouldn't pick a weekend I was on call.
http://larryharriet.bravehost.com/journalism8.html
RememberTara
03-13-2011, 05:45 PM
Is Anita and Gattis still married?
Yes, they are still married.
rayann
09-13-2011, 03:24 PM
Has Larry's medical history ever been investigated? His medical license has been put on probation twice for writing improper prescriptions to himself and family members. He has also been in treatment for addiction several times.
He also refers to Tara like she has died. In this interview he went into quite a bit of technical detail about where her body is located:
http://larryharriet.bravehost.com/interviews.html
In this interview with NBC, he describes a possible scenario:
Larry Gattis: It could have been something as simple as an argument that just went terribly wrong. And someone lost their temper and did something in a rash of rage.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12583446/ns/dateline_nbc/t/what-happened-tara-grinstead/#.Tm-rIuw6w24
I think he may be describing what may have actually happened to her.
believe09
09-13-2011, 04:32 PM
WELCOME to WS Rayann! What a great contribution...
believe09
09-13-2011, 04:38 PM
This is really interesting-did anyone else notice the anti depressants he is prohibited from prescribing, as well as the others of course....
bpinkbinkie
06-21-2012, 11:57 AM
I'm on a roll today with finds...trying to connect something, anything.
Has anyone read Dr. Gattis' book about "scenes of mayhem and fatal destruction"?
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