NOT RIGHT: Police close case on Zodiac [Archive] - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

bnevin

04-08-2004, 10:46 PM

I don't really think they are washing their hands. A murder case is open forever, unless it gets solved. I think they have just run out of things to check out. I was a member of the Baltimore City Police Dept for 25 years, and did some cold case investigations, and once a case gets cold, about the only thing that is going to solve it is if a person with personal information steps up and tells. Nowdays DNA helps solve cases, but you have to have a specific person to match. I think the Zodiac case is a dead end, and has been for years. I don't believe it will ever be solved. If the Zodiac killer was the closemouthed type and never told anyone, that is it.

mindys

04-10-2004, 02:14 PM

But they always tell someone, atleast one person. That person has got to come forward.

Cypros

04-11-2004, 12:06 PM

Maybe it is a strategic move. By announcing the closing of the investigation, they may inspire the killer (or someone who knows who it is) to resurface. Maybe they will get some more letters.

IMO, it is an unsolvable case unless new information comes out.

blueclouds

04-11-2004, 04:27 PM

That was my thought too Cypros. Maybe they're hoping he'll send another letter like BTK did a few weeks ago.

bnevin

04-11-2004, 09:07 PM

mindys

04-11-2004, 09:51 PM

Wow bnevin, I really have enjoyed your posts drawing on your vast experience and I love Baltimore, we are 5 hours away now, but used to live in Bel Air. What a great city. Do Don and Marty still do the morning news?? I loved their show, but its been a few years!

Casshew

04-11-2004, 10:33 PM

Hi bneven... I am so glad you have joined Websleuths... I am looking forward to more of your posts.

The Tic Tac Toe guy just stopped killing? or perhaps moved on?

blueclouds

04-12-2004, 01:41 AM

Interesting Bnevin. I believe that Zodiac did hold true to his letters, making it "seem" like accidents... that is, after his proven murder spree. But I think he had done other crimes that he didn't lay claim to because he might have made mistakes.

Very interesting. You must of had an interesting career.

PS: edited: in news archives I found a date of a newspaper story of September 1, 1966. I'm gonna see if I can pull up the story. It's probably the same. Newspaper is from Maryland. Although it doesn't say that's where the crimes happened

I am assuming this freak was never caught?
God, how do people live like that?

little1

04-12-2004, 07:08 PM

But they always tell someone, atleast one person. That person has got to come forward.

Not necessarily. WHo did Ted Bundy tell? Who did Jeffrey Dahmer confinde in? What about Gacy?

IMO, this guy probably moved somewhere else, maybe changed his MO.....who knows. Aren't most serial cases solved by common police tactics? (Like a living witness, or a parking ticket, or an officer just pulling someone over?)

bnevin

04-12-2004, 08:28 PM

1966 would be about right. There were a couple of bizarre turns to the murders. The medical examiner said that in his opinion the victims had been undressed, and then tortured. He said that after their deaths the murderer had washed the bodies clean, and then redressed them, right down to tieing their shoelaces properly. We never even got to having a suspect in the case. It was an industrial area, closed down about six pm, and the victims were picked up late at night, and obviously were lured into a car with the promise of a drink, or something of that order. The only thing we ever had was the accounts of some of the smokehounds who said they saw a large chrysler auto cruising the neighborhood a couple of times, and that was it. If the killer never told anyone, there is no way the case could have been solved.

bnevin

04-12-2004, 08:31 PM

Yes, Don and Marty still do it, still as nutty as ever.

MysteryMomma

04-12-2004, 09:25 PM

I thought the police have several strong suspects in the murders just not enough evidence to arrest the man.

I know a few yrs ago some man was saying his dad was the Zodiac, but I think he was proven wrong.

I think the "better" serial killers are caught with lotsa luck, and usually for other things. Ted Bundy was caught for his bad driving, and wasn't Dahmer first suspected for distrubing the peace or domestic violence with one of his victims? I think the longer these killers go uncaught the better some of them get. I think it is possible to never tell anyone.

Pepper

05-03-2004, 08:42 PM

I know a few yrs ago some man was saying his dad was the Zodiac, but I think he was proven wrong.

Are you confusing the Zodiac with the Black Dahlia? Believe a policeman was accusing his father, a skilled surgeon who was having an affair with Elizabeth Short, the Black Dahlia.

vicktor

05-09-2004, 05:41 PM

I thought the police have several strong suspects in the murders just not enough evidence to arrest the man.

It seemed like the police had 2-3 good suspects. One was a man named Leigh. He worked a menial job, but had attended a lot of college courses. The zodiac probably was pretty bright judging by his writings and his plan of killing people to form a pattern on a map of the area. Leigh had done something in the army where he had used semaphores, different types of drawn symbols which were used for communication. The notes that were sent to the police also used these same symbols. There may have also been other connections that I don't remember. Leigh died in 1978, I think. IMO, he was likely the zodiac. Notice that he did tell someone else, but in a way as to try to keep his identity a secret.

kato

05-11-2004, 10:25 AM

Are you confusing the Zodiac with the Black Dahlia? Believe a policeman was accusing his father, a skilled surgeon who was having an affair with Elizabeth Short, the Black Dahlia.

You are correct, Pepper.

Richard

10-31-2004, 03:13 PM

Zodiac Timeline

October 30, 1966 Cheri Jo Bates is murdered.

December, 1966 A poem about killing carved in a desk at Riverside City College Library

April 30, 1967 3 letters sent regarding victim Cheri Jo Bates.

One letter sent to Riverside Press Enterprise.
A second letter sent to Cheri's father Joseph Bates.
A third letter sent to Riverside Police Department.

December 20, 1968 David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen are murdered.

July 4, 1969 Darlene Ferrin and Mike Mageau are shot. Darlene dies, however Mike survives.

July 31, 1969 3 letters sent regarding the Faraday/Jensen and Shepard/Hartnell with details of the crimes.

One sent to the Times-Herald.
A second letter sent to the Chronicle.
A third letter sent to the Examiner.

Each letter contain the same message however each letter comes with a different cipher. The ciphers were cracked and reveal a maniacal message about how he enjoys killing

August 4, 1969 The author calls himself Zodiac, and gives more details of the crimes.

September 27, 1969 Cecilia Shepard and Brian Hartnell are stabbed multiple times at Lake Berryessa while picnicking. Cecilia died around a day later, however Brian survived and was able to provide a description of Zodiac's bizarre costume.

October 11, 1969 Paul Stine is shot in the head and dies instantly in his cab.

October 13, 1969 A letter is sent with a piece of Stine's bloody t-shirt.

November 8, 1969 Dripping pen letter.

November 9, 1969 Bus Bomb letter. He also writes about how he got away from the police during the Stine shooting.

December 20, 1969 Zodiac sends a letter to attorney Melvin Belli asking for help. To prove he is the Zodiac, a piece of Stine's bloody shirt comes with the letter.

March 22, 1970 Kathleen Johns is abducted by a man who looked like the Zodiac. Kathleen jumped out of the car and got away. The man went back and set her car on fire.

April 20, 1970 "My name is" letter with a cipher.

April 28, 1970 Dragon card.

May, 1970
June 26, 1970 Letter with bus bomb location cipher.

July 24, 1970 Mikado letter.

July 26, 1970 Zodiac takes credit for the Kathleen Johns abduction from March 22, 1970. He also describes other possible future victims but does not gives their names.

September 6, 1970 Donna Lass disappears and is never found.

October 27, 1970 Halloween card.

March 13, 1971 Zodiac claims to be crack proof.

January 29, 1974 Exorcist letter.

May 8, 1974 The author calls himself "a citizen".

July 8, 1974 The author calls himself "Red Phantom".

April 24, 1978 The letter states "I am back with you". However this letter is believed to be forged, possibly an inside job.

Link
http://www.olesin.50megs.com/zodiac/timeline.htm

Richard

10-31-2004, 05:41 PM

Some think that Ted Kaczynski should be considered a possible suspect in the Zodiac Murders.

Ted Kaczynski (aka Unibomber) took graduate-level classes at the University of Chicago and Northwestern. He received a master's degree in 1964 and a Ph.D. in 1967, both in mathematics, from the University of Michigan. His dissertation was titled "Boundary Functions."

Kaczynski was hired as an assistant math professor at the University of California at Berkeley for the 1967-68 school year. He resigned June 30, 1969. Officials say they don't know why he left.

After quitting Berkeley, Kaczynski lived in Utah in the late 1970s and early 1980s, where he did odd jobs and menial labor. He bought his land in the mountains of Montana 10 to 12 years ago. Neighbors say he has lived there since 1971.

If Ted was offered a teaching position in Berkeley for the 67-68 school year, it would seem quite possible that he may have visited San Francisco in 1966 to interview for the job. The first listed Zodiac killing is the only one which preceeds his time in residence there.

Note that Zodiac seems to send his last note just as UNIBOM begins his career.

blueclouds

10-31-2004, 11:33 PM

I understand Richard, that cops have all but cleared Kaczynski in this. Why? I don't know. But they don't believe he's involved. Possibly because a DNA test was done on the samples they have from Zodiac (ie: from letters); fingerprint found in taxi cab of last known victim.
I'd think he's a potential suspect as well.

Richard

11-01-2004, 11:55 AM

DNA analysis of the Zodiac letters might have been done, but I had never heard that it implicated or cleared anyone. I also do not recall if there was any DNA evidence linking Ted to the Unibomber letters or packages. I would be interested to hear if anyone has heard of or seen such evidence.

There are a number of similarities between Zodiac and Unibomber. For one thing, the time of year or season seems to be a similar pattern. The Unibomber liked to send his bombs in the spring and in the fall mostly - with a few mid summer exceptions. Zodiac also seems to have preferred the same dates. Unibomber also favored certain phases of the moon for his attacks.

Both Zodiac and Unibomber are big on sending things through the US Mail, and in writing letters. Zodiac has his ciphers or codes, and Kaczynski is a brilliant mathmatician.

Ted Kaczynski is living in San Francisco, teaching at Berkeley, 1967-68 between the first Zodiac killing and second. He resigns from Berkeley the end of June 1969, and a few days later on 4 July 1969, the big Zodiac killing spree starts and extends thru March 1971.

Ted's neighbors claim that Ted first moved to Montana in 1971. There are three separate letters to the newspaper in SF in 1974, and a possible one in 1978 stating "I'm back". Then nothing more from Zodiac. Coincidentally, that is the start of Unibomber's 17 year spree.

Most of Unibomber's packages are mailed from San Francisco, during trips that Ted makes there from Montana.

So there are many connections. The hard part of accepting such a match would be to believe that Zodiac changed his way of doing business so completely. With all the writings of Ted, as Unibomber, I wonder if there are any hand writing links to Zodiac. It would be interesting to know Ted's "thoughts" on Zodiac. Or to see of he could decipher letters written in Zodiac's code.

There are many similarities between the Unibomber case and the case of George Metesky, aka "The Mad Bomber" of the 1940's, and also to the "New York Subway Bomber" of the early 1960's. In the first instance, it may have been that Ted had studied the case and tried to copy Metesky. In the second, if Ted was not involved in those bombings, he certainly would have heard of them and may have studied them as well.

aRnd2it

11-02-2004, 10:53 AM

DNA analysis of the Zodiac letters might have been done, but I had never heard that it implicated or cleared anyone.I saw a program last year about the case and there were a few people cleared by the DNA found under the stamps on the Zodiac envelopes. Here's one story I found about it: http://members.aol.com/Jakewark/sfc021015.html

Richard

11-02-2004, 11:40 AM

I saw a program last year about the case and there were a few people cleared by the DNA found under the stamps on the Zodiac envelopes. Here's one story I found about it: http://members.aol.com/Jakewark/sfc021015.html

Fascinating article. It is amazing that they were able to obtain a partial DNA print from so long ago. It would seem that one suspect has been eliminated - at least as the person who sealed the letters. Unfortunately, there is not enough of a DNA print (as of 2002) to submit it to the growing DNA data base of known criminals. Hopefully more will become available with further testing of other letters. The article mentions author Robert Graysmith, who has written some very good books on the subject of Zodiac.

messiecake

11-02-2004, 02:20 PM

OMG! I have always followed the Zodiac and although I belive he was correctly i.d' by Robert Graysmith and is now dead I don't think this case should be closed!

blueclouds

11-02-2004, 04:35 PM

OMG! I have always followed the Zodiac and although I belive he was correctly i.d' by Robert Graysmith and is now dead I don't think this case should be closed!
BUT MESSIE: dna & finger print analysis was done on Allen (suspect) and no match. He sure looks to me like the perfect suspect BUT I don't think he is the guy. How would a bloody finger print be left by the Zodiac and Lee Allen's fingerprint isn't the same. I don't think in the 70's that would be possible to fake? I don't know.

messiecake

11-02-2004, 07:59 PM

I belive there are ways it couldve been faked.

Is he/Was he Zodiac? I think so *but* now with a closed case we'll never know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Richard

11-02-2004, 09:54 PM

I agree that the case should not be closed. The big problem with this case - as with many others - is the overlapping of jurisdictions and the separation of evidence. One of Zodiac's victims, Cheri Jo Bates had Zodiac's skin and hair under her nails. There were palm prints, fingerprints, numerous mailed letters, etc that DNA could be obtained from. That is if it still exists.
Unfortunately none of the favorite suspects were ever found with any of Zodiac's writing materials, weapons, cars etc. Just no Physical Evidence, so Close but no Cigar. If better DNA could be obtained from existing evidence, then perhaps this case could at last be solved.

mihaff

12-27-2004, 12:33 AM

I don't think it is clear whether the riverside murder is really connected.

Howard

06-23-2005, 02:39 PM

There are many that are working on the Zodiac case.

It's just that there is no new info for the police to check on.They just don't have the time or money to follow up on every suspect someone submits to them.
In the case of SFPD they have stacks of unsolved murders that now need clearing.

There is some DNA work going on.

I have researched the case since 1987 having gotten a tip from a now ex- brother in law who was an Assistant DA in L.A. in 1974.
My Zodiac web site is:www.zodiacmurders.com.

I am always glad to answer brief questions.Thank you.

HesterMofet

06-24-2005, 05:35 AM

I belive there are ways it couldve been faked.

Is he/Was he Zodiac? I think so *but* now with a closed case we'll never know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are ways to "fake" a fingerprint. Remember the movie "Seven?"

shadowangel

06-24-2005, 03:42 PM

I don't think it is clear whether the riverside murder is really connected.In one of Zodiac's confirmed letters, he mentioned the police stumbling on his Riverside activity. (Arthur Leigh Allen is believed to have been in Riverside at the time of murder. He died in '92. by the way). One thing I've wondered...has the watch which was found at the scene of Cheri Jo Bates' murder ever been checked for DNA? It would seem an easy object from which to obtain skin cells...
As to the DNA on the envelopes and stamps, Allen (who went by the name "Leigh"-it is believed by some that Darlene Ferrin's mystery visitor was called "Lee") had the strange habit of having others lick his envelopes and stamps...

upallnite

07-25-2005, 12:13 AM

I think your man is Lawrence Kane,I will always believe that and no one can change my mind.I would really recommend to anyone who hasn't read them Robert Graysmith's books on the subject.Very informative and intriguing.I would also comment to anyone who has read them that I think that Graysmith's solution to the 340 symbol cypher was not exactly correct,they say it was,but it doesn't make any sense to me,however I do think he was on the right trail.I do not understand why they haven't done DNA testing on this man.He just reaks Zodiac!!!!!!

mysteriew

07-25-2005, 12:21 AM

As to the DNA on the envelopes and stamps, Allen (who went by the name "Leigh"-it is believed by some that Darlene Ferrin's mystery visitor was called "Lee") had the strange habit of having others lick his envelopes and stamps...

That is certainly an odd habit. I had thought of dampening a sponge, and using it to dampen the glue. I had never thought of having someone else to seal them. That would result in a number of different DNA results though, a number of different suspects, and would certainly cause problems if the suspect would ever have to go to court.

upallnite

07-25-2005, 12:34 AM

upallnite

07-25-2005, 01:27 AM

I won't change my mind about L.Kane unless DNA testing rules him out.There's always a chance that it wasn't him,however,everything I've read about him,I can't see how he's not been tested.But then,Aurther Leigh Allen lokked real promising too and you see where that ended up.

shadowangel

07-25-2005, 11:15 AM

He would only have been concerned about fingerprints.He wouldn't have even considered that his saliva might incriminate him.Today he would think twice.Hey,check this out. http://www.zodiackiller.com/KHI.htmlI couldn't get the link to work...Allen died before enough evidence could be brought against him. One of the problems with building a case against Allen was the fact that he owned or had access to so many different vehicles, trailers, etc. Somewhere out there is a wealth of physical evidnece, just waiting to be found.

upallnite

07-25-2005, 12:11 PM

It wasn't him,at least,he didn't lick the envelopes.

Norma

10-06-2005, 09:49 PM

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/10/05/ZODIAC.TMP

Now, 26 years later, David Fincher, who made "Fight Club," has taken up the challenge. Due late next year, the Warner Bros. film "Zodiac" will star Robert Downey Jr., Jake Gyllenhaal and Mark Ruffalo as the lead detectives and reporters. The $80 million film was shot on location last month in the Bay Area, and will continue its production for 85 days on Los Angeles sets.

Aiming for historical accuracy, the filmmakers hired witnesses, survivors, detectives and reporters as consultants to the film whenever possible.

docwho3

10-06-2005, 10:31 PM

Around 1965 I was a young patrolman working the midnight shift, and we began finding bodies, 5 in all, spaced over a period of two or three months, all had been murdered and dropped off in the same area. All had been strangled, but the medical examiner said that before they died the killer had played tic tac toe on their bodies with a sharp knife. All the victims were what in those days we called "smokehounds", or bums, today they are called homeless. Evidently the killer was picking them up, taking them somewhere, and killing them after torturing them, and then dropping them off. We never got close to solving the case.
These were the only things public search engines google & dogpile turned up on tic tac toe murders.
Tic Tac Toe Murders
http://www.aargus.co.nz/farley.html
http://www.matrixmania.com/showthread.php?p=146235
Both are fictional stories.

One tic tac toe murder result was listed in a book describing one man that stabbed victem multiple times & then played tic tac toe with his knife on one victem.
Not sure I understand why the search engines not picking up on this.
Oh well I guess that's as far as I get.

SimonSays

10-07-2005, 04:28 AM

*02

10-11-2005, 11:45 AM

There is a Zodiac movie out right now. Please take my advice and do not rent it- we got it and the movie is just horrible- bad acting- bad directing- just plain bad all around- we couldn't even finish it. I'll wait for the new one to come out and hope it tells the story how it should be.

upallnite

10-11-2005, 01:02 PM

jttnewguy

02-26-2006, 09:59 PM

The last post called my attention to the fact that the link I posted on Lawrence Kane didn't work, that was a while ago. Here is link:

http://www.zodiackiller.com/SuspectKane.html

http://www.zodiackiller.com/KaneReport1.html

I'm new to the site, and this is my very first post. I've been following the Zodiac case on-and-off for about a decade (my girlfriend at the time grew up in the SF area and remembered the case well from her childhood, and she got me hooked on it). Anyway, I read Robert Graysmith's book some years ago, and always believed that Graysmith made a pretty good case that Arthur Leigh Allen was the Zodiac, but looking at these links makes me think twice.

The case against Lawrence Cane/Kane looks pretty strong, assuming all of the "evidence" summarized at that link is accurate. Some of it is kind of thin (like the fact that he lived on streets named after water, for example) but some of it seems pretty strong, especially the similarities between the vehicles that Kane was known to have owned and those spotted by eyewitnesses to the Zodiac killings. Also, if Kane is indeed Zodiac, it certainly answers the mystery of why Zodiac stopped killing -- the majority of serial killers (BTK is perhaps the best known exception) find it hard to stop killing voluntarily unless they are caught or die -- and if it's Kane, then it looks like the answer is that Zodiac didn't stop, he just moved to Nevada and continued committing similar crimes that were not linked to Zodiac by the police. This makes a lot more sense than believing that Zodiac just suddenly learned to control himself after getting away with killings, kidnappings, and taunting the police for years.

Anyway, whether Zodiac is Kane, Allen, or someone else, he'd be at least in his eighties or nineties today (if in fact he's still alive), so he's no longer any kind of threat to society so the chances are that the case will never be solved. But it's still interesting to think about!

Mullins

02-26-2006, 10:28 PM

concernedperson

02-26-2006, 10:39 PM

It is sad that no one pays for an injustice. It holds that anything considered impulse would have a hold on society.

Mullins

02-26-2006, 10:43 PM

It is sad that no one pays for an injustice. It holds that anything considered impulse would have a hold on society.
I agree totally CP---it's very sad and every effort should be made to seek justice in all cases. Not just for the victims, but like you mentioned, for society in general. Thanks for mentioning that.

Richard

02-27-2006, 07:58 PM

Welcome to Websleuths jttnewguy. It's true that the zodiac is now old enough to be on his deathbed, and the theory that he moved away is probably correct. I once read that he was thought to be in the New York area at one point in time (in the past). Have you ever heard that?
There was indeed a killer in New York in 1990 who was also known as the Zodiac, but police were pretty certain at the time that it was not the same Zodiac who terrorized people in California years earlier.

The New York Zodiac was described as a black man with at dark complexion. He would be in his 50's today. He was six feet tall, 180 Pounds had a short Afro with a receeding hairline, a moustache and possibly a beard. He wore a black bracelet on his left wrist during one of his attacks on homless people. He described himself as a Taurus with family troubles.

Numbers played a big part in his attacks. Every one of his shootings took place on a Thursday and all were 21 days apart, with one exception and that one was 63 days after the previous one. He wrote taunting notes to the police and signed himself "Zodiac".

His notes showed him to be educated with a knowledge of French and Latin. He was familiar with astrology and with ballistics. He also claimed to enjoy walking in Central Park at night. Proof, perhaps, that he was crazy.

bykerladi

02-27-2006, 09:51 PM

If I remember correctly, the NY "Zodiac" wasn't as clever or tricky as the original. And they caught the NY Zodiac, and put him in jail, right?

Richard

04-01-2006, 06:07 PM

Zodiac seemed to have stopped killing and may have moved away from California in mid 1974. In 1978, an authenticated letter from Zodiac indicated that he was "back".

Could the following article about some unsolved murders have been related to Zodiac in some way? It mentions a theory that a killer was believed to have been moving from west to east, ending up in Florida by 1975.

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From the Washington Post 29 August 1975
Page A - 3 Around the Nation

Killings Tied Together in South Florida

Miami - As many as five of South Florida's 10 unsolved slayings of young women this year (1975) may have been committed by the same murderer, Dade County's assistant medical examiner said he believes.

"The similarities , at least in my mind,. make me feel they were most probably by the same assailant." Dr. Ronald Wright said yesterday.

There is another theory that at least two of those sex slayings might be conneted to 33 other similar killings in five Western states.

Detective Charles Mussoline of the Dade County homicide unit said he was operating on the theory that the killings last month of Ronnie Gorlin, 27, and Elyse Rapp, 21, were committed by the same man. And he said he and Sgt Erwin Carlstedt of Sonoma County, California, were developing a theory that those two were perpetrated by one man as he journeyed from west to east.
Wright said he believed the Gorlin and Rapp murders were the work of the same person who abducted Barbara Stephens, 23, from a South Dade County shopping center in February (1975) and stabbed her to death.

He also said the double murder in June of two 14-year-old Hollywood, Fla., junior high school classmates - Belinda Zeterower and Barbara Schreiber - were connected with the other three.

"The medical examiner's office has a certain responsibility to the public to warn the people of dangers in the environment, " Wright said. "This guy is a danger in the environment."

"I want all young women in Dade and Broward Counties to know what I told my wife. If you're shopping and find something wrong with your car, run screaming in the other direction."

Police believe that the Gorlin and Rapp women were approached by a man who flattened their tires in a parking lot, then appeared offering to help them repair them.

Dr. Doogie

04-02-2006, 01:33 AM

Could the following article about some unsolved murders have been related to Zodiac in some way? It mentions a theory that a killer was believed to have been moving from west to east, ending up in Florida by 1975.
I am not completely up on his history, but weren't some of these murders eventualy tied to Ted Bundy?

blueclouds

04-02-2006, 01:43 AM

I am not completely up on his history, but weren't some of these murders eventualy tied to Ted Bundy?

quite possibly but not all I don't think.

Can you imagine if he's still killing? or truly does become the truly most prolific SK of all time. I really hope this is eventually solved. :( :banghead:

Richard

04-03-2006, 12:06 PM

I am not completely up on his history, but weren't some of these murders eventualy tied to Ted Bundy?
Unfortunately, the article does not specify any of the 33 cases by name. I believe that it is very possible that some of them in Oregon and Washington State might have been Bundy victims. Bundy had victims in both states, as well as Idaho, Utah, and Colorado around that time frame. There are a few who are still missing and at least one unidentified body.

Bargle

10-20-2006, 09:38 PM

If I remember correctly, the NY "Zodiac" wasn't as clever or tricky as the original. And they caught the NY Zodiac, and put him in jail, right?
Yes, his name is Heriberto 'Eddie' Seda. An observant cop noticed his handwriting was like Zodiac's, when he was in the Police station for an unrelated incident.
Link to the CrimeLibrary story on the case.
The NY Zodiac (http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/seda/index_1.html)

Rle7

02-23-2007, 11:23 AM

There may be a new lead in the decades-old Zodiac serial killer case.

Three letters written by the Zodiac were unearthed and sent recently to a state crime lab for DNA testing in a new attempt to create a genetic profile of the serial killer, a Vallejo detective confirmed Wednesday.

Police would not reveal specific information regarding the source of the letters

"Nothing's been reactivated, but nothing's been closed. It's really just an unsolved homicide," said Vallejo cold case Detective Matt Meredith, who appeared Tuesday night on the ABC program "Primetime: The Outsiders.

"Interest in the unsolved Zodiac case has peaked in recent weeks as Paramount Pictures prepares to release an $85 million feature film on the killer, who has avoided arrest for nearly four decades. The infamous Zodiac was responsible for at least five killings, three of which took place in Vallejo and one near Lake Berryessa, striking fear throughout the Bay Area in 1968 and 1969.

http://www.thereporter.com/ci_5288866?source=rss

poppypetals

02-23-2007, 11:28 AM

Super Fantastic News to see that they are still working at this, thanks RL7 !

I think, since they have Dna and fingerprints, someday they may solve this one.

poppypetals

02-23-2007, 12:23 PM

Here's the link for the new movie trailer coming out March 2
http://www.zodiacmovie.com/

Richard

02-25-2007, 08:44 PM

The 24 February 2007 America's Most Wanted TV show featured the Zodiac Case for the full hour. Check out their website for more information.

Rle7

05-25-2007, 10:57 PM

Despite disappointing results from the latest DNA tests, technological advances leave authorities still hopeful the long-cold Zodiac killer case can be solved, a police spokesman said Thursday.

In February, Vallejo police sent three letters written by the killer known as the Zodiac to a state crime lab for testing, in a new attempt to develop a genetic profile of the serial killer. They learned of the discouraging results a few weeks ago, said Vallejo Police Department spokesman Lt. Rick Nichelman.

"The initial testing is complete, and they didn't yield anything," Nichelman said. "But there's still a chance something could be found with new tests."

Nichelman said advances in available technology will be applied to more tests on the letters, with results expected in the "next month or so."

Nichelman said he wasn't familiar with the tests' specifics, the new methods or technology to be used, and a spokesman for the state Department of Justice, which runs state crime labs, did not return a call Thursday.

"This is highly technical stuff. Every year the technology improves," Nichelman said. "And results can be found with DNA even older than this, so it's worth the effort."

http://www.timesheraldonline.com/todaysnews/ci_5986460

Rle7

07-06-2007, 04:13 PM

After believing he cracked the case involving the 1970 disappearance of Donna Lass, a possible victim of the Zodiac killer, by using satellite imagery from the Internet, Clifton Calvez visited the site last week where he believes she's buried.

And his theory, he says, grew stronger.

A retired Air Force colonel in his 60s, Calvez has taken up the case of Lass, a 25-year-old casino nurse who vanished after her shift ended at Stateline.

Due to a postcard detailing a Sierra Nevada scene sent to the San Francisco Chronicle and a Christmas card delivered to Lass' sister, Mary Pilker, many believe Lass was the victim of the Zodiac.

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