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goneinasecond
02-14-2005, 11:20 AM
http://doenetwork.org/cases/199ufwi.html

Juliana
02-14-2005, 11:34 AM
http://doenetwork.org/cases/199ufwi.html

That is a very distinctive shirt. I hope this case is being publicized in Wisconsin and they show a good picture of the shirt. Somebody should recognize it, even if the sketch is not a close match to how she really looked.

I hope they ID her soon.

Limon10
02-14-2005, 02:20 PM
I am from Wisconsin, and I follow missing cases regularily and have only heard of this case through my own research...I don't think Wisconsin has a very good system of reporting missing adults. :(

WasBlind
02-14-2005, 04:26 PM
Doe profile (http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/199ufwi.html)

Distinguishing Characteristics: She had sun highlights in her short brown hair. Her eyes were brown, but do not exclude hazel. Each ear was double pierced and there appears to be no scars or tattoos. She had a "Cauliflower" deformation on her right ear that may have come from a recent injury. Possibly cognitively disabled.
Dentals: Available. She had fairly poor dentition, and had protruding front teeth. Several teeth were missing or decayed.
Clothing: She was wearing a man's gray and silver country and western shirt with snap buttons and a red floral pattern on the front of the shirt along with black sweatpants. The manufacturer of the shirt, Karman, informed police that it was produced and distributed throughout the United States about 15 years ago.

Department of Justice-Wisconsin profile (http://www.doj.state.wi.us/missingkids/unidentified_post.htm)

NCMEC profile (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=400013&orgPrefix=NCMU&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)

Printable poster (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=400013&orgPrefix=NCMU&searchLang=en_US)

Case Type: Unidentified
DOB: Jan 1, 1969
Sex: Female
Missing Date: Jul 21, 1999
Race: White
Age Now: 36
Height: 5'8" (173 cm)
Weight: 120 lbs (54 kg)
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Brown
Missing City: RACINE
Missing State : WI
Missing Country: United States

Case Number: NCMU400013
Circumstances: This homicide victim was found alongside a cornfield in a rural area of Wisconsin on July 21, 1999. She is believed to be between 17 and 30 years old. Her eyes were brown, but do not exclude hazel. Each ear was double pierced and there appears to be no scars or tattoos. She was wearing a silver-gray shirt shown at right. She had sun highlights in her short brown hair. The "DOB" and "Age Now" fields are approximations. The image shown is a NCMEC computer-assisted facial reconstruction.

I searched NCMEC missing Wisconsin females for the past 35 years and there is not a suitable match. It's possible she was missing as an adult, if the age approximation is correct with a DOB of 1969.

I then searched the NCMA (http://www.theyaremissed.org) for the state of Wisconsin, and here (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmalistview.php?wstr=_where_(c2.city_like_{Racine }_or_c2.state_like_{WI})) are the matches, male and female. None were even close. Wrong hair color, wrong eye color, wrong height, wrong timeframe, etc.

The most comprehensive list is on The Charley Project (http://www.charleyproject.org/geo/midwest.html#wisconsin) where I only found two possibles.
Ruth Ellen Mazuchowski (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mazuchowski_ruth.html) matches in height, weight and age range, but the eye color is wrong.

Amber Lynn Wilde (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilde_amber.html) has eight piercings in each ear, so that eliminates her.

It's entirely possible she was never reported missing by anyone. *sigh*

Unless someone steps forward with information about who this might be, she may not be identified. It's been five and a half years, and no one has come forward, but it's also possible she's not from Wisconsin, either.

If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Racine County Sheriff's Office at 414-636-3211

NCIC Number: U-520000267
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Thanks for posting her, goneinasecond. Everyone deserves a name.
With HOPE, Lanie

concernedperson
02-14-2005, 06:54 PM
It makes me so sad to hear about these types of cases. I agree everyone deserves a name. My gut feeling is that she is a runaway from an abusive family who will never acknowledge her. The dental impressions are from someone who was not cared for. She was probably hitching from somewhere else.

There is a serial killer who was a long haul driver by the name of Keith Hunter Jesperson who was eventually incarcerated. He has a weird sense of honor. It could be worth someone's while to question him about this murder. He has admitted to several, he is known as the Happy Face killer. He has issues with women and particularly women who hitch and expect gratuity. He fits what I see happened to this lady. BTW, there is a book about him called "The creation of a serial killer" by Jack Olsen. Not that it would make the classics but it is a good read on the mindset of one that did talk.

Limon10
02-16-2005, 11:26 AM
If it helps at all, Racine WI is VERY close to the border of Illinois.

angrymom
05-01-2005, 08:42 AM
There's a Jane Doe buried in a cemetery near me, and for years I've been interested in trying to find out who she is but I don't even know where to start. I remember when they found her one of my daughter's male friends was asked if he could identify her because someone reported she had been hanging around the punk scene in a neighboring town and he knew practically everyone in the scene. He didn't know who she was but said she was beaten very badly. About a year later my daughter and I stumbled upon her grave while I was out doing some photography at local cemeteries. We noticed over the past couple of years a lot of things have changed at the grave, like she has a tombstone now and people leave small things on her grave, teddy bears, a bracelet, things like that. I myself have visited her grave probably 20 or 30 times, and taken quite a few pictures of it. I know how morbid that sounds but I've always liked cemeteries. As to why I'm so drawn to this particular one I'm not sure.

This was someone's child, and there's never anything new but the investigation is still open.

She's case file 199UFWI on doenetwork.org if anyone cares to take a look and see if they recognize her.

My daughter and I were going to go out there again today but she's ready to give birth anyday and even though it's a peaceful setting I wouldn't want to have to deliver my grandson there.

sharon25
05-01-2005, 11:28 AM
If she was in the "punk" scene I would say that she wasn't very old, wouldn't you? I know there are some older people in the scene but to me she looks very young.

i did a search and found this http://www.doj.state.wi.us/missingkids/
in which they say she's 34?
I have to say, I was very discouraged by the fact that there doesnt' seem to be a large number of Missing imformation on kids from that area.. I know there are more kids that run away, and that's what I would guess about her.

But then again, who knows right?

Why do they think she was possibly "cognitively disabled"
And if they thought that Jason Strong could have anything to do with her case, did they offer him any sort of deal to help identify her?

Good luck
sharon

Richard
05-01-2005, 08:19 PM
[QUOTE=sharon25]If she was in the "punk" scene I would say that she wasn't very old, wouldn't you? I know there are some older people in the scene but to me she looks very young.

i did a search and found this http://www.doj.state.wi.us/missingkids/
in which they say she's 34?....

I believe that the website which you link shows the age of 34 due to a feature of the home (index) page which automatically updates the "age now" field. This is something that is done on some missing person sites. In this case, they have included a Jane Doe, but have not disabled that age update feature. The text of the file itself states in one place that they believe she was between 17 and 30 years of age, and in another place it states between 18 and 30 years. I am inclined to think that she was on the younger end of that rather wide estimate. The shirt looks more like a country-western style dress shirt than like anything that a "punk-rocker" would wear.

angrymom
05-02-2005, 09:48 AM
My daughter's friend said the police thought she might be a girl that had been reported hanging around the downtown area where the punks hang out ... not necessarily into the punk thing herself, but a runaway girl with no money who hung out on the streets here where a lot of my daughter's punk friends also hung out. I guess that's why they thought he might know her. I'm not talking Hot Topic fashion punks here, I'm talking Salvation Army thrift store whatever raggedy thing they could find or steal to wear kids ... believe it or not, there's a difference. Some of these kids lived in a flophouse hotel downtown at the time.

I don't know if Jason Strong was interviewed about her but the manner of death certainly sounds like the woman he's in jail for murdering. Odd that her body was beaten so badly but there were no marks on her face ... I wonder what that means.

outofthedark
03-08-2007, 08:11 PM
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/199ufwi.html

and

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/2195dfca.html

Jenn35
03-08-2007, 09:27 PM
Danielle looks like she has perfect teeth in the first picture.

laini
03-08-2007, 10:46 PM
They do look a lot alike! I also wonder about the teeth. (coincidence the missing was last seen leaving her dentist's office) I wish there was more info on the missing girl. It could be her.

outofthedark
03-08-2007, 11:00 PM
The second sketch of Jane Doe resembles the first photo of Danielle

If the girl could be Danielle, she could have lived in bad conditions that could have eventually decayed her teeth and caused them to fall out

Richard
03-08-2007, 11:11 PM
Law Enforcement certainly has a wide age range for the Jane Doe in Wisconsin! "14 to 35, but probably under 30".

There are several odd coincidences between this case and the case of "Cali", a Jane Doe found - also in a Cornfield - in Caledonia, NY on 9 November 1979. (see link below to separate thread in this forum)

Cali also had light brown hair with frosted highlights. She also wore a Western style shirt. She also had bad teeth, and resembles this girl somewhat. Her age was also thought to be young.

Could these two cases be connected in some way?

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"Cali" Doe's Vital Statistics
Estimated age: 13 - 19 years old. Her estimated date of birth is 1958-1967.
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'3; 120 lbs.

Distinguishing Characteristics: She had curly brown, shoulder length hair which had been frosted about four months before her death. The frosted hair was in the process of growing out. She had brown eyes. She was tanned and had visible bikini lines. She had no distinguishing marks. The victim had had no broken bones that would have been in a hospital's records. It didn't look as though she had received much medical attention of any kind.

Dentals: She has some serious decay and tooth #14 was decayed to the extent that only three roots of the tooth were left. She did have some dental work to suggest that the dentist was not trained in the US.

Clothing: She was wearing a a boy's multi-plaid, button-down shirt, tan corduroy pants, blue knee socks, light blue panties; white exquisite bra; brown laceup, ripple-sole shoes and a red nylon-lined man's windbreaker with black stripes down the arms, marked with the inside label Auto Sports Products, Inc..

The Doe Network Case File 1UFNY
NCIC Number: U-157617149

See Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - Unidentified White Female Located 9 Nov 1979 Caledonia, NY

LINK:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23127

Richard
03-08-2007, 11:26 PM
Unidentified White Female
Located at 6:15 a.m. July 21, 1999 in a cornfield on 92nd Street in the Town of Raymond, Wisconsin.
Cause of death was multiple injuries. Manner of death is homicide.
Estimated Date of Death: Hours prior to discovery

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 14 - 35 years old. (Probably under 30) Estimated year of birth is 1964 -1981

Approximate Height and Weight: 5'8" (173 cm); 120 lbs. (55 kg)
Distinguishing Characteristics: She had sun highlights in her short brown hair. Her eyes were brown, but do not exclude hazel. Each ear was double pierced and there appears to be no scars or tattoos. She had a "Cauliflower" deformation on her right ear that may have come from a recent injury. Possibly cognitively disabled.

Dentals: Available. She had fairly poor dentition, and had protruding front teeth. Several teeth were missing or decayed. Her teeth showed signs of long term neglect.

Clothing: She was wearing a man's gray and silver country and western shirt with snap buttons and a red floral pattern on the front of the shirt along with black sweatpants. The manufacturer of the shirt, Karman, informed police that it was produced and distributed throughout the United States about 15 years ago.

DNA: Available
Case History
The victim was found on the edge of a cornfield in a rural area of Racine, Wisconsin on July 21,1999. It appeared the murder had occurred elsewhere and that the body had been dumped, perhaps because the area is near I-94.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Racine County Sheriff's Office
414-636-3211

NCMEC #: NCMU400013
NCIC Number: U-520000267
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information: National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Cora Jones.org
Cora Jones News
Find Missing Children
The Doe Network: Case File 199UFWI


LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/199ufwi.html

CCJD
03-08-2007, 11:54 PM
Law Enforcement certainly has a wide age range for the Jane Doe in Wisconsin! "14 to 35, but probably under 30".

There are several odd coincidences between this case and the case of "Cali", a Jane Doe found - also in a Cornfield - in Caledonia, NY on 9 November 1979. (see link below to separate thread in this forum)

Cali also had light brown hair with frosted highlights. She also wore a Western style shirt. She also had bad teeth, and resembles this girl somewhat. Her age was also thought to be young.

Could these two cases be connected in some way?When I first looked at this, I thought the resemblence and stats were great. But, have to admit, dentals would probably rule this out. 13 months between a dentist's office and when Racine Jane Doe was found just doesn't seem to me to equate to "long term neglect".

But it got me thinking. Cali and Racine Jane Doe both had poor dentition, especially for such young girls. So did Carbon County "Beth Doe" in 1976. Maybe someone should start a thread of these young girls with bad teeth. Maybe we'd see a trend?

Richard
03-09-2007, 12:19 AM
...But it got me thinking. Cali and Racine Jane Doe both had poor dentition, especially for such young girls. So did Carbon County "Beth Doe" in 1976. Maybe some should start a thread of these young girls with bad teeth. Maybe we'd see a trend?
I think that the trend would be toward the fact that these young girls were sadly neglected by family and may have been seeking independance or perhaps the promise of good things from someone wishing to take advantage of them.

But could there be a combination of things that point to a common thread? Serial killers often seek a certain "type" of person as a potential victim. Perhaps common traits shared by seemingly separate victims could link them as having been killed by the same person. How bodies are found could constitute a sort of signature or mark of a killer.

For example, a killer might fancy girls with short light brown hair and a certain build or age. Maybe he chooses them for they type or color of their clothes - or maybe he finds a girl and then has her dress according to his "tastes" or choice.

Patterns might lead to solid clues. Similarities in the manner of death, body disposal, etc are well known these days, but other clues like dentition, hair style, clothing and such could also point out posibilities. If a killer is careful and organized enough to kill and dispose of a body, then he also would have a pattern for initial selection of his victims. Linking his victims could lead to his identification.

WholeLottaRosie
03-09-2007, 01:27 AM
Another one is this case - The Summerfield Jane Doe, (Summerfield, IL - South East of St. Louis)

http://www.sheriff.co.st-clair.il.us/inv090686.asp

Unidentified Caucasian Female
Summerfield Jane Doe


Discovered on September 6, 1986 outside Summerfield, Saint Clair County, Illinois.
The victim had been strangled with a piece of her clothing.
The victim was located within 24 hours of death.


Vital Statistics



Estimated age: 16-21 years old. Estimated date of birth is 1960-1967.
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'2"; 110 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Curly brown hair; brown eyes. She had a mole on her upper left arm, a small scar on her left shoulder and a scar on the back of her right wrist.
Dentals: She had a small fixed bridge on her upper front teeth with a root canal in the same area.
Clothing: She was wearing a salmon-colored bodysuit. She had a gold bracelet on her right wrist. A silver band ring with a clear stone in the middle and an a plain silver band were both worn on her right hand. On her left hand ring finger she wore an opal ring that had 4 opals with a clear stone center. Assorted clothing and jewelry she had been carrying in a travel bag was found at the scene.


Case History
The victim was found by a farmer harvesting corn just outside Summerfield. She had been strangled with a piece of her clothing, and her nude body was left in the cornfield.
Her pelvic area had been savagely slashed and mutilated by a killer who left behind relatively small, Western-style boot prints.
A lead is that the victim may have been a follower of the rock band The Grateful Dead, and was in the metro-east because she was hitchhiking to the band's next concert.



Investigators
If you have any information on the identity of this woman or the circumstances involved in her murder, please contact:
St. Clair County Sheriff's Office
618-277-3505 x5204

I talked to the investigator on this case a couple years ago and he made one comment - and I find it odd that this isn't on the listing at the Sherriff's website, but, he said that she was probably closer to 4'11" - 5', was very petite but had a mature figure in preportion to her height and weight.

At one time a couple years back they made the actual PM photos' available, but I couldn't find them in a quick search. They also had her dentals published in a dentists magazine hoping someone would recognize the work. It was distinctive.

This case gets passed around a lot to a detective with other active cases so I don't think it gets worked much.

laini
03-09-2007, 01:23 PM
Does anybody know about "meth teeth" and how quickly it happens? I know dentists say it is awful on teeth when someone has used meth. Maybe that could account for teeth going from good to horrible in a year's time. (don't mean to imply this Jane Doe was using meth. I am just brainstorming. Their facial features look so much alike!)

docwho3
03-09-2007, 03:19 PM
Does anybody know about "meth teeth" and how quickly it happens? I know dentists say it is awful on teeth when someone has used meth. Maybe that could account for teeth going from good to horrible in a year's time. (don't mean to imply this Jane Doe was using meth. I am just brainstorming. Their facial features look so much alike!) Interesting thoughts. Thanks.

jodierenee
03-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Meth teeth could very well be an explanation. I can't see the pictures though. (why is doenetwork ALWAYS down?!)

Saliva helps to break down bacteria and food particles in your mouth. Using meth decreases the amount of saliva in your mouth, and also meth users tend to grind their teeth and forget about hygeine...

check out the "Faces of Meth" campaign..if that is not a reason to start meth, i don't know what is!!!

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/DrugIssue/MethResources/faces/index.html

I never really thought about it, but drug users can look so dramatically different in such a short amount of time. No wonder there are so many unidentified people...

anthrobones
03-09-2007, 05:50 PM
Law Enforcement certainly has a wide age range for the Jane Doe in Wisconsin! "14 to 35, but probably under 30". Certainly too wide.

laini
03-09-2007, 10:41 PM
Meth teeth could very well be an explanation. I can't see the pictures though. (why is doenetwork ALWAYS down?!)

Saliva helps to break down bacteria and food particles in your mouth. Using meth decreases the amount of saliva in your mouth, and also meth users tend to grind their teeth and forget about hygeine...

check out the "Faces of Meth" campaign..if that is not a reason to start meth, i don't know what is!!!

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/DrugIssue/MethResources/faces/index.html

I never really thought about it, but drug users can look so dramatically different in such a short amount of time. No wonder there are so many unidentified people...

Jodierenee,
Regarding doenetwork, did you know if your link has doenetwork.us then you have to change it to doenetwork.org. Their site changed recently. If you are getting error messages for doenetwokr pages, that might be why.

Also, thanks for the info on what meth does to teeth/saliva. I didn't know about it affecting saliva. (I am an ICU nurse and we call it "meth mouth" when we see it.)

outofthedark
03-10-2007, 01:19 AM
In all honesty- I think Racine Jane Doe in nowhere near 14 years old because she looks WAY older than that- she looks like she's in her mid 20s to early 30s and she definitely is under 35, so I would put her at 23.5-33.5 years old

LisainWV
03-10-2007, 09:16 AM
The second sketch of Jane Doe resembles the first photo of Danielle

If the girl could be Danielle, she could have lived in bad conditions that could have eventually decayed her teeth and caused them to fall out
Not to slander anyone here, but I've heard that some types of drug use are very hard on your teeth - couple that with living on the "run" (maybe homeless) and poor hygiene......bad teeth.

Looks like her!

LisainWV
03-10-2007, 09:17 AM
Meth teeth could very well be an explanation. I can't see the pictures though. (why is doenetwork ALWAYS down?!)

Saliva helps to break down bacteria and food particles in your mouth. Using meth decreases the amount of saliva in your mouth, and also meth users tend to grind their teeth and forget about hygeine...

check out the "Faces of Meth" campaign..if that is not a reason to start meth, i don't know what is!!!

http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/DrugIssue/MethResources/faces/index.html

I never really thought about it, but drug users can look so dramatically different in such a short amount of time. No wonder there are so many unidentified people...

Sorry, jodie, for trying to upstage you. I missed your post!!

We'll chalk it up to "Great minds think alike!!""

Richard
04-06-2007, 12:15 PM
Unidentified White Female
Located at 6:15 a.m. July 21, 1999 in a cornfield on 92nd Street in the Town of Raymond, Wisconsin.
Cause of death was multiple injuries. Manner of death is homicide.
Estimated Date of Death: Hours prior to discovery

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 14 - 35 years old. (Probably under 30) Estimated year of birth is 1964 -1981

Approximate Height and Weight: 5'8" (173 cm); 120 lbs. (55 kg)

Distinguishing Characteristics: She had sun highlights in her short brown hair. Her eyes were brown, but do not exclude hazel. Each ear was double pierced and there appears to be no scars or tattoos. She had a "Cauliflower" deformation on her right ear that may have come from a recent injury. Possibly cognitively disabled.

Dentals: Available. She had fairly poor dentition, and had protruding front teeth. Several teeth were missing or decayed. Her teeth showed signs of long term neglect.

Clothing: She was wearing a man's gray and silver country and western shirt with snap buttons and a red floral pattern on the front of the shirt along with black sweatpants. The manufacturer of the shirt, Karman, informed police that it was produced and distributed throughout the United States about 15 years ago.
DNA: Available

Case History
The victim was found on the edge of a cornfield in a rural area of Racine, Wisconsin on July 21,1999. It appeared the murder had occurred elsewhere and that the body had been dumped, perhaps because the area is near I-94.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
Racine County Sheriff's Office 414-636-3211

NCMEC #: NCMU400013
NCIC Number: U-520000267

Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
Cora Jones.org
Cora Jones News
Find Missing Children
The Doe Network: Case File 199UFWI

LINK:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/199ufwi.html

kygal
04-07-2007, 02:51 PM
Is this the UID female that NCMEC has listed as "Racine" Jane Doe? I accidentally ran across a redone post-mortem with her eyes open and it scared the daylights out of me (don't remember where I saw it). Anyhow, just wanted to ask because I thought they might have been two different cases until I got to the end.

Lizza
08-20-2007, 10:25 PM
Name: Angela Ponte
Born: 1978 or 1979
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Her right ear has a "cauliflower" deformation.
Missing: 1993

WARNING! One of the images is post mortem.

hoppyfrog
08-21-2007, 12:22 AM
Lizza:

I can't open the attachments in your post. Can you post them or link them in some other way?


ETA I googled Angela Ponte and found that she was missing from Sicily on 2 Jan 1993 at age 14 yrs. What are the chances she would turn up in a Wisconsin cornfield six years later? Doesn't seem likely, yet the age, hair and eye color, dental conditions, and ear deformation all seem to match.

Are you going to notify LE?

Hoppy

outofthedark
08-21-2007, 01:37 AM
Is this the UID female that NCMEC has listed as "Racine" Jane Doe? I accidentally ran across a redone post-mortem with her eyes open and it scared the daylights out of me (don't remember where I saw it). Anyhow, just wanted to ask because I thought they might have been two different cases until I got to the end.


I saw her post mortems too and they gave me the feeling that she is WAY over 14 years old. They scared me too. I'll give her between 25-35 as an age range

LisainWV
08-21-2007, 03:08 PM
Her post-mortem photo is pretty shocking. She has amazing eyes in that picture. Her front teeth looked really bad - and I realize she's been dead for some time - they just looked big, maybe she was slightly buck toothed... Don't mean to be ugly about her...

outofthedark
08-21-2007, 04:34 PM
She could have been murdered because of her possible disability.

I found some more info on her: http://meyahna.tripod.com/pg21.html

Here's some important info from that page:

The victim had been tortured for up to 4 weeks before her death.
She had been burned on more than 25% of her body: head, face, neck arms and upper torso. The burns were in various stages of healing.
She had been severely beaten, possibly with a blunt instrument. Her left ear was deformed as a result of the beating. She had received blunt force injury to the head, chest, abdomen, wrists, hands and fingers. Her nose was broken.
The woman was also cut on the head and on her body, was sexually assaulted and starved.
The abuse apparently escalated in the last three to five days before her body was discovered.
She had many untreated open wounds who participated to her death.
Her cause of death was multiple homicidal injuries.

Angie4b1g
08-21-2007, 04:38 PM
Poor girl :(

outofthedark
08-21-2007, 04:56 PM
Given the info I gave in my last post, I think she might have been in a really abusive marriage

Bluecat
08-21-2007, 08:09 PM
That sounds like a strong possibility to me - or if not marriage, then an abusive relationship anyway. If her abuser had isolated her from friends and family, as is so typical, then it could be that noone knows she's missing and he would not have reported it. He probably would say that she left him.

LisainWV
08-21-2007, 09:18 PM
Good heavens - that's horrific!! Why do people treat other people this way???

Ang50
08-22-2007, 10:33 PM
Is this the UID female that NCMEC has listed as "Racine" Jane Doe? I accidentally ran across a redone post-mortem with her eyes open and it scared the daylights out of me (don't remember where I saw it). Anyhow, just wanted to ask because I thought they might have been two different cases until I got to the end.

Yes, I believe this is the same woman.

Ang50
08-22-2007, 10:34 PM
Mail order bride might be a very interesting possibility, if her non-US heritage is correct.

There are many mail order brides in this country that are horribly abused.

Lizza
08-23-2007, 10:26 PM
First, to all of you who has e-mailed me regarding that you can´t open my posted images: I´m not so good at this so I hope that some other member will be helpful and explain how to do.

I agree, the possibility that Angela is "Racine county Jane Doe" seems not so big, because she disappeared in Italy. But it´s not impossible. Investigator Reilly has speculate that "Jane Doe" maybe not was from U.S.A. Angela was 14 years old when she disappeared in 1993. It make her to be about 20-21 years old in 1999, when "Jane Doe" was found. The circumstances about Angelas disappearence are mostly written in Italian, but in short: She disappeared when returning home after visiting relatives. They used to follow her on her way home. but not this time. Lots of resources have been made to find her, but there is still no trace of her. I have already contacted Italy and they thought that "Racine county Jane Doe" already was identified. Probably they thought she was Mary Kate Sunderlin.

Meyahna
08-24-2007, 06:12 AM
Gosh after 1 year and a half I've eventually managed to register to this board. :woohoo: I must have tried a dozen email addresses before joining and still don't know by which miracle I have an account here.
Yes, that's horrible what this young woman went through that's why I put the whole on my site so that people realize justice must be done for her.
I don't think she's listed as missing on the net though. I think she's probably been killed by a group of persons. Not a lot of ideas apart from that, she could be from a foreign country, migrant worker as much as from the neighborood, still weird it took them so long to id Mary Kate Sunderlin.

Meyahna
08-24-2007, 06:17 AM
Looks like that was an email from my first tries at joining here, I've rarely seen a board so hard to join. Ok, duh, that was my first account, it no longer worked at one point.

Babyslims
08-27-2007, 11:53 AM
okay I know the height and age is off a bit okay alot (I havent seen a regular non edited pic of the unidentified) Only that edited one.....


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/49dffl.html

Babyslims
08-28-2007, 04:23 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601760&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

another one that reminded me of jane doe when I was browsing around

eta another link for her http://www.michigandoes.com/MP/AundriaBowman.html

Lizza
09-11-2007, 06:38 PM
Investigator Eileen Reilly are just now looking into "Angela Ponte" as a possible match.

LisainWV
09-11-2007, 11:51 PM
http://www.chilhavisto.rai.it/clv/English/lettere/P/PonteAngela.htm

Looks like a possibility.

Meyahna
11-22-2007, 10:50 AM
I've made this video for her.

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=FOyj9ZcbEcM&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/FOyj9ZcbEcM/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLVYuvD5HibL0QpFS_J2WXp&&rel=1&border=0

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:24 AM
Search for identities frustrates officials



/ RACINE (AP) - Racine County Sheriff's investigator Jim Dehne is looking for a
name.
Dehne is trying to find out the identity of the woman who was found dead four
months ago in a cornfield after she had been tortured for weeks.
The victim is now buried in a grave marked "Jane Doe," and Dehne and fellow
investigator Eileen Reilly do not have any answers about her or the
circumstances surrounding her death.
While the investigators have hundreds of pictures of young female faces
surrounding their desks, the only photograph they have of Jane Doe comes from a
computer-enhanced picture of her corpse.
The investigators' work has helped more than 175 police departments across the
United States clear up cases in their missing persons files, Dehne said.
When the Racine County investigators rule out a possible identity, they write a
report and file it in a thick binder. Eight binders have been filled so far.
There is a similar process going on at the Sauk County Sheriff's Department,
where authorities are looking for the identity of a woman whose skinned body was
found July 30 in pieces inside garbage bags along the Wisconsin River shoreline
in Spring Green.
"It's frustrating," said Sauk County sheriff's Sgt. Kevin Fults. "It's hard to
believe somebody out there is missing from a family and we can't locate them.
It's extremely frustrating."
The Sauk County victim is a black woman, in her early 20s, about 5 feet 2 inches
and 145 pounds.
The longer a murder investigation continues, the more difficult it becomes to
find the victim's identity and her killer.
"It's challenging, and it tests your mettle," said Dehne, who will leave the
case with Reilly when he retires in January.
It took a year and a half before Racine County authorities identified
14-year-old Amber Gail Creek, a runaway from Palatine, Ill., whose frozen body
was discovered in a nature preserve in Burlington. But her death remains
unsolved.
There are more theories about Jane Doe's identity and her killer than there are
leads in the investigation, Dehne said.
"The only one thing we can close the door on is it wasn't a suicide," Dehne
said. "Once we identify her, the real work - finding her killer - will begin."
Dehne and Reilly admit they cannot stop thinking about the case, even calling in
on days off to see if there has been a break in the case.
"I constantly dwell on it," Reilly said. "I wonder if she ever smiled. She must
have smiled when she was a little kid. She certainly didn't have much to smile
about in the last year of her life."


1999 Associated Press

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:25 AM
Post Mortem: http://www.find-missing-children.org/images/000274u1.jpg

In Wisconsin, on July 21,1999, the Racine County Sheriff Department, recovered the body of a female alongside a cornfield in a rural area.

Body is that of a white female, 18 - 35 years old, brown/hazel eyes, brown hair, 5’8, 120 lbs with poor dentition and protruding front teeth. Each ear is double-pierced and there appears to be no scars or tattoos.

At the time of recovery, the victim was wearing a mans gray/silver country western shirt with snap buttons as depicted in the photo below. The photo of the white female below has been computer aided, and the hair and eyes may be different.
If you have any information that may assist in identifying this female or shirt, please contact the Racine County Sheriff's Department or Investigator Reilly at 262-636-3170 or call Toll Free 1-800-242-4202 (weekday before 5:00 pm press 9-3170, weekend & after 5:00 pm press *3170).

http://www.racineco.com/sheriff/crimebulletin.aspx

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:26 AM
Officials: Woman tortured before her death


600 leads: Authorities say they're no closer to solving the case
RACINE (AP) - Authorities know that a woman whose body was found in a Raymond
cornfield in July was tortured two weeks to four weeks before her death, but
they are no closer to solving the case, the sheriff's department said Friday.
The Racine County Sheriff's Department said it received 600 leads in the case,
but without knowing the woman's identity, authorities will not be able to solve
the case.
"The No. 1 thing is we have someone out there running loose right now that is
very sick and the only way we can solve this case is we have to identify this
Jane Doe," Sheriff William McReynolds said.
The woman was tortured over two to four weeks before her death, but the
frequency of the beatings escalated in the final three days to five days of her
life, authorities said. She might have been malnourished.
With burns of varying degrees covering 25 percent of her body, the victim died
of multiple injuries including blunt trauma to the head, chest and abdomen,
according to the medical examiner's report. The woman's arms, legs and pubic
area were also traumatized, the report said.
Authorities estimate the woman was between 13 and 23 and could have been
cognitively disabled, but sheriff's officials would not elaborate on her mental
capacity. She was 5-foot-8, 120 pounds with short brown, curly, wavy hair with
light highlights and several missing teeth, the department said.
When she was found, the woman was wearing a long-sleeved, western style man's
shirt with red flowered embroidery on front and back that has not been made in
the last 15 years, authorities said.
"We believe that this shirt may be a significant clue for identifying this young
woman and her killer," according to a statement released by the sheriff's
department. "We are asking anyone was knows someone who may have worn such a
shirt to call us."
The department has scheduled a funeral and burial for the woman Wednesday.

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:27 AM
The story below is brought to you by
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Computer redenering of Jane Doe
Jane Doe: Body found here may have global connections
In this installment of the Burlington's Unsolved Mysteries series, we examine the case of Jane Doe, an unidentified woman found murdered in the Town of Raymond in July 1998.

Although police have not yet found her killer, new information indicates her murder may be linked to another in Lake County, Ill., where the unidentified body of a woman was found in a forest preserve in December 1999.

Additional information indicates the identity of the two women may be difficult to establish because they may not be from the United States.



New information in the case of an unidentified woman found dead in the Town of Raymond in July 1998 indicates the murder may be connected to another in Illinois.

Her body was discovered in a field on 92nd Street, north of Highway G, by a resident walking along the road.

Authorities from the Racine County Sheriff's Department are investigating a link between the murder of the woman ‹ known only as Jane Doe ‹ and that of another woman whose body was found in a forest preserve in Lake County, Ill., in December 1999.

Investigator Eileen Reilly said there are many similarities between the two women, including age, physical description and the manner in which they died.

According to the Racine County medical examiner's report, the woman found in Raymond had been savagely beaten prior to her death, sustaining multiple injuries over a period of time which are consistent with being tortured.

The injuries appear to have escalated during the time she was held, leading to her death.

She also sustained burns over more than 25 percent of her body and blunt-force trauma to most of her body.

Reilly said three men were arrested in connection with the murder in Illinois. Although officials there won't confirm whether they suspect same men killed the woman found here, Reilly said she has come to a definitive conclusion.

''I'm pretty confident two of the men arrested in Illinois also killed our girl,'' she said.

Reilly believes the men are now in prison for the Illinois murder.

Although she thinks the two cases are tied together, without confirmation from Illinois authorities, a link cannot be formally established, which Reilly admits is frustrating.

Phone calls to the Lake County Sheriff's Department's Major Crimes Unit seeking comment for this story were not returned.

Reilly said she believes the identity of the woman found in Raymond may have been so difficult to establish because she may not even be from this country.

She came to this realization in an odd and unexpected way.

While searching for caregivers for her mother, who became ill five years ago, Reilly found a hospice agency in Illinois that hired and trained women from the Ukraine and Eastern Bloc countries to work in people's homes.

Reilly hired a Ukranian woman to care for her mother, and while working the case of the woman in Raymond, she began thinking seriously about a connection.

''There are over 1,000 women from the Ukraine and the surrounding countries living and working through these agencies in the northern Illinois area,'' she said.

Based on the description of the woman found in Illinois, Reilly believes she, too, could be from outside the United States.

According to police reports, the woman found in Raymond is described as having brown curly/wavy hair with lightened highlights, brown (possibly hazel) eyes, two slightly protruding upper front teeth, and several teeth that are either missing or decayed.

She had a thin build, each of her ears was pierced twice and she had older, healed scars on her shins and knees, but no tatoos, surgical scars or birthmarks.

Her picture and description have been posted on police Web sites around the country, and she is also listed with Interpol, an international law enforcement agency.

Because she was initially thought to be a teenage runaway, her picture is still posted with the Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Reilly said further testing since the discovery of Jane Doe's body has shown the woman was actually 18 to 30 years old.

At the time her body was found, she was dressed in men's large-size sweat pants, and a men's large, long-sleeved western-style shirt with pearl-colored snaps on the cuffs. Red flowers with white and green foliage were embroidered on the front and back in the upper area of the shirt.

Police believe the shirt may be a significant clue in the case because of its uniqueness. The manufacturer, Karman, informed police it was produced and distributed throughout the United States about 15 years ago.

For Reilly and other investigators, the case has been emotionally wrenching, because of the brutal way in which Jane Doe was killed, and the futile search for answers.

''We have been beating our heads against the wall with this case for over two years,'' she said. ''It's incredibly frustrating.''

Although police have investigated numerous tips since the woman's murder, leads have dwindled over the last two years.

Reilly said despite the lack of viable leads, the case is considered an ongoing investigation.

Flowers and messages placed by strangers continue to mark the grave where the woman still lies unidentified but not forgotten.

She is someone's daughter, friend, sister, or even mother, and her family will never know closure until the case is solved.

Reilly periodically visits the woman's grave. She said although she continues to be frustrated by the case, she was heartened to see fresh flowers near the headstone recently.

''Someone's looking out for her,'' Reilly added.
By Joanne Endemann Staff Writer
3/7/2001


****Note the discrepancy in year found. This article says July 1998, not 1999...

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:28 AM
http://www.angelfire.com/wi3/corajones/news-janedoe.html

Officials seek help in identifying body

Investigators refine desciption of body found in Racine County cornfield

By Tom Kertscher
of the Journal Sentinel staff (Milwaukee Journal Sentinel)

July 27, 1999

Racine- Haunted by the unsolved murder of a girl who wasn't identified until 16 months after her body was found, officials Monday made an urgent appeal for information about another young victim whose name remains unknown nearly a week after her body was discovered in a cornfield.

Racine County sheriff's investigators said they see no link between the 1997 murder of 14-year-old Amber Creek and the apparant slaying of a young female found about 7 a.m. Wednesday.

But Creek's murderer has not been found, and officials worry the current case will be hampered if the victim is not identified soon.

"That has certainly come up," Lt. Jim Scherff said about the Creek case remaining unsolved. "But we're hoping that it doesn't happen this time. We learned lessons from Amber Creek."

Investigators, who have circulated composite sketches of the new victim nationally, refined their description of her Monday.

They now believe she was between the ages of 14 and 17 and that a deformation to her left ear might have come from a recent injury.

Officials earlier had estimated the victim's age at between 13 and 23 and believed that her "cauliflower" ear condition might have been long-standing.

A man who walks his dog daily along 92nd St. in the Town of Raymond found the girl's body Wednesday one row into a cornfield between 6 Mile and 7 Mile roads, Scherff said. No identification or other items were found with her, Scherff said.

Authorities described the victim as Caucasian, 5 feet 8 inches and 120 pounds, with brown curly hair and brown eyes. She was wearing black sweat pants and a gray, long-sleeve, Western-style shirt. She had double piercings in both ears.

The district attorney's office has refused to reveal the cause of death, saying it wants to protect the investigation.

Sheriff William McReynolds said identifying the victim is vital to finding a suspect.

"Right now we've got nothing to go on," he said.

Amber Creek, a frequent runaway from Palatine, Ill., was last seen getting into a car sometime after Feb. 2, 1997, near her last known address - a group home in Rolling Meadows, Ill. Hikers found her body Feb. 9, 1997, in the Karcher Wildlife Area in the Town of Burlington. She had been strangled.

Racine County sheriff's investigators weren't able to identify her body until June 1998, after searching a computer Web site maintained by the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

Pete Banks, an official with the center who worked as a police officer and investigator in Washington for 23 years, agreed that solving a murder becomes harder the longer it takes to identify the victim.

But with improved police techniques, the victim could remain unidentified for a year and investigators still would have a good chance of catching a suspect, he said.

Circulating pictures of the victim to the public is key, Banks said.

"They're the ones that'll solve it," he said.

Across the nation, the bodies of 4,200 people - including 13 in Wisconsin - are unidentified, Banks said.

John Thielen, 43, a Town of Raymond resident for 10 years, said Monday that news of the body being discovered was unsettling, "but I don't think we've taken any extra precautions." He said it appeared the murder had occurred elsewhere and that the body had been dumped, perhaps because the area is near I-94.

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:30 AM
http://www2.jsonline.com/news/racine/oct99/body23102399a.asp

Woman was tortured in last days, officials say

Investigators seek clues to help identify 'Jane Doe,' person who killed her
By Jennie Tunkieicz
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: Oct. 23, 1999
Racine - Torture filled the final days of life for a young woman known only as Jane Doe, whose body was found July 21 just inside a cornfield in the Town of Raymond, Racine County Sheriff's Department officials said Friday.

Sheriff William McReynolds pleaded for information that would help identify the young woman and her killer.

"There is a very sick person out there, and we have got to find out who that is," McReynolds said of the person or people who caused the woman's death.

The injuries were likely doled out over two to four weeks, McReynolds said. Burns on her head, face, neck, arms and upper torso covering more than 25% of her body were at varying stages of healing. She showed signs of malnutrition.

The abuse appears to have escalated in the last three to five days of her life and caused her death, which is ruled to be the result of multiple homicidal injuries.

She had been beaten so badly, perhaps with a blunt object, that her left ear was deformed. She had received blunt force injury to her head, had a broken nose, cuts on her head and on the bridge of her nose and scrapes to her forehead. She also suffered blunt force injuries to her chest, abdomen, wrists, hands and fingers, and had numerous cuts over her body.

Racine County Medical Examiner Thomas Terry said the young woman had many untreated, open wounds that had contributed to her death. The autopsy was performed at the Milwaukee County medical examiner's office.

"Somebody knows this girl, and we need to find that person to tell us who she is," McReynolds said.

The young woman is white, 13 to 23 years old, 5 feet 8 inches tall, weighing 120 pounds, with short, brown curly or wavy hair with highlights and brown or hazel eyes. She had slightly protruding front teeth, several teeth missing or decayed and each ear was pierced twice.

She also may have been cognitively disabled, McReynolds said.

Investigators said the woman was wearing a distinctive western-style men's shirt with long sleeves and pearl snap buttons on the front and cuffs. Red flowers with white and green foliage were embroidered on the front and back.

The shirt was manufactured 15 years ago, and few like it are probably still being worn, Lt. Jim Scherff said. She was also wearing men's black sweat pants.

A funeral will be held for the young woman at 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Draeger-Langendorf Funeral Home in Racine, followed by burial at Holy Family Cemetery in the Town of Caledonia. The funeral home and area businesses contributed to the funeral's cost.

The funeral will be the second for an unidentified young woman in Racine County in as many years. The body of a woman found in February 1997 in the Town of Burlington was buried as Jane Doe. It took 16 months to discover the young woman was Amber Creek, a 14-year-old northern Illinois runaway.

Creek's death remains unsolved. Investigators say they do not believe the case is related to the latest Jane Doe.

Scherff said the department had employed the help of 20 state and federal agencies in trying to identify the latest Jane Doe. Four investigators are working on the case full-time, and they are following more than 650 leads.

"Up to this point, we haven't gotten anywhere," he said. "We aren't much closer to solving this than we were on July 21."


People with information about the unidentified woman or the circumstances surrounding her death are asked to call Investigators Eileen Reilly or Jim Dehne at (262) 636-3170.

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Oct. 24, 1999.

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:31 AM
http://www2.jsonline.com/news/racine/oct99...nr31103099a.asp

Community grieves loss of Jane Doe

Residents attend funeral of tortured woman
By Jennie Tunkieicz
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: Oct. 30, 1999

Racine - Days of being beaten, burned, cut and finally killed, her lifeless body then dumped in a cornfield - there wasn't any dignity in the way Jane Doe had died.

So members of the Racine County community came together last week to bring some dignity to the burial of the unidentified young woman, whose body was found July 21 in the Town of Raymond, and to rekindle interest in the investigation, which has generated 650 leads but no arrests.

"She's somebody's child," Bernie Schoeffer said after he and his wife, Lorraine, had placed a single rose on the young woman's casket. "She belongs to somebody, and if she was my child I'd be very concerned."

They don't know her name, how or where she lived; they only know the horrific way in which she died.

"It was very, very brutal what she went through," Lorraine Schoeffer said as she wept for the young woman.

The Schoeffers were among the nearly 50 people who attended services at the funeral home and at the cemetery.

People filed past, stopping to look at the computer-enhanced photograph of the dead woman, which was framed and placed over her closed, teal-colored casket. Some knelt and prayed; others just stood and cried.

Investigator Eileen Reilly left the services clutching a flower from the arrangement placed on top of the casket.

"Where is her mother?" Reilly wondered.

It's one of the many questions surrounding the case, which has been perplexing investigators for months.

The young woman, who was between 13 and 23 years old and possibly cognitively disabled, received injuries over two to four weeks, according to the sheriff's department, and the torture escalated in the final three to five days of her life, resulting in her death.

Her body was discovered at 6:15 a.m. July 21 in a cornfield on 92nd St. in the Town of Raymond.

"Basically, we have a young lady who suffered the last several days and weeks of her life in a manner that no human being or animal should have to suffer," Investigator Jim Dehne said after the services.

"It's awful that we have to be here this morning," the Rev. Jeffrey M. Thielen told the crowd gathered at the Draeger-Langendorf Funeral Home. "That a young woman lying in this casket is a stark and a terrible reminder of everything that is painful and cruel in this life."

What was beautiful, Thielen said, was the act of so many people coming to pray and bring joy with their presence to the funeral of a young woman who otherwise would have no one.

The funeral was provided free through donations from the Draeger-Langendorf Funeral Home and other area businesses.

Many people at the service Wednesday were at a funeral for another young woman found dead in a rural part of Racine County in 1997. Buried also as Jane Doe, she was later identified as Amber Creek, a 14-year-old Illinois runaway. While her identity is known, the case remains unsolved. Sheriff's investigators say they do not believe the two cases are related.

The Schoeffers say they often bring flowers to Creek's grave, which also is at Holy Family Cemetery in Caledonia, and they will now bring flowers to the latest Jane Doe.

Patty Graceffa, holding her 1-year-old son, Tyler, said she and her mother, Marie Binder, often visit Creek's grave. They, too, will visit this Jane Doe's grave.

Graceffa abruptly left the funeral service in tears before it had begun but came to the graveside service.

"I couldn't stay; it was too much," she said.

Graceffa said it was important that the young woman not be buried alone.

Carol Armstrong, whose daughter died three years ago, said she was drawn to the funeral by compassion for the unknown young woman.

"I wanted to be here for her, to show support and concern for her," Armstrong said.

Sister Alice Rademacher, a Dominican at the Siena Center in Racine, said the presence of so many people at the funeral service made a difference.

"I think it matters. I think it matters to her and her loved ones, and I think she knows that we did this," Rademacher said.

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on Oct. 31, 1999.

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:32 AM
http://www2.jsonline.com/news/racine/jul00/doer16071500a.asp

One year later, investigators still seek woman's killer
Body found in Raymond cornfield has some striking similarities to Illinois case

By Jennie Tunkieicz
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: July 15, 2000
Investigators know her face.

It's the face they first saw when her body was found in a Town of Raymond cornfield. A close-up photograph of her, taken as her copse lay on the morgue table, has been computer-enhanced to give it life and perhaps lead to clues.

They know how she died.

She was tortured for two, possibly four weeks - burned, battered and starved.

Yet nearly one year later, they still don't know her name and who killed her.

Investigators say, however, that there are strong similarities between the Jane Doe here and the body of an unidentified woman found in Lake County, Ill., on Dec. 9, 1999.

Three men are in custody in the Lake County case in which the dead woman has still not been identified.

Jane Doe was found July 21, 1999. A Raymond resident out for a morning jaunt noticed the rumpled clothes piled just inside a cornfield. Sheriff's Department officials began to swarm the area about 6:15 a.m.

"It was hot," Investigator Eileen Reilly said, recalling the morning she and others were called out to the rural cornfield on 92nd St. between 6 and 7 Mile roads. "I remember thinking when we first pulled up that it was a guy."

The dead woman was dressed in a distinctive western-style men's shirt and men's sweat pants, and it wasn't until the body was examined that investigators knew the body was that of a female.

Reilly was among a group of investigators who crawled through grass and parts of the cornfield looking for clues. One investigator found poison ivy during the hunt.

And Reilly, like everyone else on the scene, hoped this crime would be wrapped up quickly. The case has not left her desk since that day.

Reilly was joined in the search in January by Investigator Dennis Basley.

The investigators have reviewed thousands of reports describing missing young women from across the country. There is a file containing the names, photographs, dental records and other details of 1,427 young women who match the physical description of Jane Doe - 13 to 23 years old, brown/hazel eyes, brown hair, 5 feet 8 inches, 120 pounds, protruding front teeth and both ears double pierced. None of the leads has been an exact match.

Investigators got a boost in May after taking their information to a regional meeting of FBI profilers in Michigan. Reilly and Basley were looking for advice on what they could do to expand their search.

The profilers advised them to play up the things that set the case apart from other missing people.

"She had been neglected," Reilly said of the young woman. "That information might spark people to think about that neighbor who had a daughter they haven't seen in a while."

Then there's the shirt - silver/gray in color, pearl snap-buttons and embroidered with red flowers.

"Someone might say, 'Hey, I know who had a shirt like that,' " Reilly said.

In May, investigators had a new computer-enhanced photograph of Jane Doe, with a newer hairstyle, done by the Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Basley used a photograph of Jane Doe in her shirt and erased her body and the blood stains from the photo, which is being widely distributed.

Investigators here also have great interest in the Lake County case involving three men arrested for the death of a woman whose body was found in the Green Belt Forest Preserve. The woman was white, in her mid-20s, 4 feet 9 inches and 93 pounds, was malnourished and had gaps in her teeth.

She had been so badly disfigured by a severe beating that led to her death that the forest preserve worker who found her mistook her for a mannequin and had dragged her body about 20 feet on the way to the roadside for trash pickup before realizing his mistake.

Arrested in the case were Jason Strong, 24, charged with first-degree murder and attempting to conceal a homicide, and Jeremy Tweedy, 22, and Jason Johnson, 28, both charged with attempting to conceal a homicide. All three had lived at the Motor Inn Motel near Wadsworth, Ill.

Meanwhile, Reilly and Basley work every day to find the identity of Jane Doe, who was buried in Racine County on Oct. 30.

"Once we get her identified, it will give a whole new starting point to the investigation," Basley said.

No one knows that better than Sheriff's Detective John Hanrahan, who has been working on the murder of Amber Creek.

The body of the 14-year-old Illinois girl, who had been strangled, was dumped in Karcher Wildlife Area in the Town of Burlington and found Feb. 9, 1997. Her identity was unknown for 16 months. More than three years later, her killer remains unknown.

Hanrahan said the investigation is ongoing and he continues to pursue leads in the case.

"I speak with Amber's step-mother on a very regular basis. We talk about the case, where it is going and where it has been. I also visit her grave site," Hanrahan said. Creek was buried in Racine as a Jane Doe. The current Jane Doe is buried in the same cemetery.

"She would have been 18 on July 2 and she was 14 when she was murdered," Hanrahan said of Creek. "It is something that is on my mind and always will be."

What drives Hanrahan to continue working on the Creek case is the same thing that keeps Reilly and Basley working to identify Jane Doe.

"My motivation comes from knowing there is somebody out there who is a predator of children and took the life of a 14-year-old girl," he said.


Anyone with information on Jane Doe or who can assist in identifying the shirt should contact Reilly at (262) 636-3170 or Basley at (262) 636-3363. Anyone with information on Amber Creek should call Hanrahan at (262) 636-3175.

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on July 16, 2000.

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:33 AM
http://www2.jsonline.com/news/racine/jul00/doe21072000a.asp

Investigators find ties between Jane Doe, Illinois case

Racine officials still don't know her identity; 3 held in Lake County case
By Jenny Tunkieicz
of the Journal Sentinel staff
Last Updated: July 20, 2000

Investigators know her face - reconstructed by a computer.

They know how she died - tortured for two, possibly four weeks, burned, battered and starved.

Today, exactly one year later, they still don't know her name or who killed her.

But Racine County Sheriff's Department investigators now admit that there are strong similarities between the Jane Doe found in a Town of Raymond cornfield and one found in Lake County, Ill., on Dec. 9, 1999. Three men are in custody in the Lake County case in which the dead woman has still not been identified.

Racine County authorities said Thursday that they have great interest in the Illinois case, are considering the evidence gathered there and are comparing it with the Racine County case.

After a year, it may turn out to be their best lead.

Jane Doe was found July 21, 1999. A Raymond resident out for a morning jaunt noticed the rumpled clothes piled just inside a cornfield on 92nd St. between 6 and 7 Mile roads. Racine County Sheriff's Department officials began to swarm the area about 6:15 a.m.

The body was dressed in a distinctive western-style men's shirt and men's sweat pants.

A few months after the body was found, the Sheriff's Department released the grisly details about her death in the hopes that someone who knew even the slightest detail would feel compelled to come forward.

Jane Doe was buried Oct. 30, 1999, in a donated grave in a Racine County cemetery.

Investigators Eileen Reilly and Dennis Basley have found 1,427 missing young women who match the physical description of Jane Doe - 13 to 23 years old, brown/hazel eyes, brown hair, 5 feet 8 inches tall, 120 pounds, protruding front teeth and both ears double pierced. So far, none of the leads has been an exact match.

Investigators got a boost in May after taking their information about Jane Doe to a regional meeting of FBI profilers in Michigan. Reilly and Basley were advised to play up the things unique to this case, like the unusual western shirt - gaudy even by cowboy standards - and the fact that Jane Doe had been so neglected.

A new computer-enhanced photograph of Jane Doe, with a newer hairstyle, done by the Center for Missing and Exploited Children, was also distributed.

There are some striking similarities with a Lake County case involving three men arrested in the death of a woman whose body was found in the Green Belt Forest Preserve near North Chicago, Ill., just south of Waukegan.

The woman who was killed was white, in her mid-20s, 4 feet 9 inches, 93 pounds, was malnourished and had gaps in her teeth. She had been so badly disfigured by a severe beating that led to her death that the forest preserve worker who found her mistook her for a mannequin or a blow-up doll and had dragged her body about 20 feet on the way to the roadside for trash pickup before realizing she was a human.

Arrested in the case were Jason Strong, 24, charged with first-degree murder and attempting to conceal a homicide, and Jeremy Tweedy, 22, and Jason Johnson, 28, both charged with attempting to conceal a homicide. All three had lived at the Motor Inn Motel near Wadsworth, Ill.

Meanwhile, the emphasis in Racine County is to solve the mysterious identity of the local Jane Doe.

"Once we get her identified, it will give a whole new starting point to the investigation," Basley said.

Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on July 21, 2000.

monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:37 AM
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_...21/ai_n10815289

Three years later, Town of Raymond slaying remains a mystery

By JENNIE TUNKIEICZ of the Journal Sentinel staff

Sunday, July 21, 2002

Town of Raymond -- Investigators remain baffled about the identity of a young woman who was tortured to death and discarded in a cornfield and about the identity of her killers.

It was three years ago today that a town resident out for a morning walk noticed what at first appeared to be a pile of rumpled clothing just inside a cornfield on 92nd St., between 6 and 7 Mile roads.

It wasn't long before the horrific discovery was made that the clothing contained the body of a young woman.

"It is sad," Eileen Reilly, the lead investigator for the 3-year- old homicide case, said last week. "The case is still open. She's not been forgotten."

The young woman had no identification. She was white, age 13 to 23, 5 feet 8 inches tall and 120 pounds, with brown/ hazel eyes, brown hair and ears double-pierced. Other distinctive features were her protruding front teeth and her clothing -- a silver-gray men's western-style shirt, with pearl snap buttons and red embroidered flowers, and men's sweat pants.

An autopsy revealed that Jane Doe, as she came to be called, endured days or perhaps even weeks of being beaten, burned, cut and starved before she was killed.

Jane Doe was buried in Racine County on Oct. 30, 1999, with the help of donations from the community.

Reilly said Jane Doe's computer-enhanced photograph, placed on national Web sites, attracted a lead once every few months.

Although the case is now old, with newer homicide cases taking precedence, Reilly said the department still is committed to finding Jane Doe's identity and her killers.

"We would like to resolve this," she said.

Anyone with information about Jane Doe can contact Reilly at (262) 636-3170.

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monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:38 AM
> Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, The > Nov 7, 1999 >

Four months later, dead woman's name still Jane Doe

JENNIE TUNKIEICZ
It is 7 a.m., and Racine County sheriff's investigator Jim Dehne picks up the phone and calls the police department in Providence, R.I.

"Is there somebody there I can talk to about a missing person investigation?" he asks.

It is the first of many such calls he will make this day in a continuing effort to identify a young woman who somehow ended up dead in a Racine County cornfield. In an hour, fellow investigator Eileen Reilly will arrive and start making the same kinds of calls.

It has been like this for four months, ever since the woman's malnourished body, badly beaten and covered in cuts and burns, was found by a man out for an early-morning walk along 92nd St. between Six Mile Road and Seven Mile Road in the Town of Raymond.

She is now buried in a grave marked "Jane Doe."

Dehne and Reilly are desperate for more. What is her name? Where did she come from? Why was she tortured?

Dehne contacts law enforcement agencies east of the Mississippi River; Reilly contacts agencies west of the Mississippi. Hundreds of pictures of young female faces -- many smiling, but all missing from homes across the country -- surround their desks.

This day, Dehne is checking on a lead from the National Crime Information Center. He has a brief biography and a photograph of an 18-year-old from Providence reported missing in June. The only photograph of Jane Doe comes from a computer-enhanced picture of her corpse.

It seems improbable the Providence woman -- with her full, toothy smile and thick, straight brown hair -- could be Jane Doe, who had two protruding front teeth and several others missing or badly decayed. But, Dehne said, the department has to use broad parameters because it's not unusual for missing persons information to be wrong and photographs to be old.

"Sometimes the information says the girl is 5-foot-4 and it turns out she's 5-foot-8. It might say she has brown eyes when she really has hazel eyes. You'd be surprised at how many parents don't know the color of their own children's eyes," Dehne said.

Dehne learns the young woman has returned home but the Providence Police Department had forgotten to take her off of the national missing persons list. Dehne estimates that he, Reilly and two other Racine County investigators have helped more than 175 police departments across the United States clear up cases in their missing persons files.

He doesn't just toss out the lead but fills out a report explaining why the Providence woman has been dismissed as a possible Jane Doe. Such reports are then placed in a thick ringed binder -- the department has filled eight of them to date. Every name of every lead is also placed in a computerized data file.

Between phone calls, Dehne and Reilly take turns scanning Internet sources. The previous day, Dehne reviewed 20 pages of online missing persons information. He found six potential leads, none of which ultimately checked out.

On and on it goes. Getting leads, clearing leads. Hoping for more.

It's the same pattern being repeated by the Sauk County Sheriff's Department, which is searching for the identity of a woman whose body, with face and neck skinned, was found July 30 in pieces in garbage bags along the Wisconsin River shoreline in Spring Green. She is a black woman, believed to be in her early 20s, about 5 feet 2 inches and 145 pounds.

"It's frustrating," said Sauk County sheriff's Sgt. Kevin Fults. "It's hard to believe somebody out there is missing from a family and we can't locate them. It's extremely frustrating."

Already the number of people handling the case in Racine County has been reduced from four full-time investigators to two. And when Dehne retires in January, if the case has not been solved, it will likely fall solely to Reilly.

"It's challenging, and it tests your mettle," Dehne said of the investigation.

The pair survive the tedious work by making it a competition.

"We each want to be the one who solves it," Dehne said.

Dehne almost thought the case was solved two weeks ago when a tip came in from a Fond du Lac area homeless shelter. He drove to the area and showed Jane Doe's autopsy pictures to five people, all of whom were fairly certain she was the woman they remembered. But there was one stark difference that couldn't be ignored: The Fond du Lac woman had no teeth at all.

"I got pumped up. I thought things were finally going right, and all of a sudden you find you are back where you started," Dehne said. "On the way back from Fond du Lac I fell into a deep funk. I'd like to put closure to this. I'd like to see it solved."

The unfortunate truth is the longer the investigation goes on, the more difficult it will be to find the woman's identity and go after her killer.

Jane Doe's DNA, fingerprints and photograph are on national files and FBI files.

The national search lists her between 13 and 23 years old, 5 feet 8 inches tall, 120 pounds, with short, brown, wavy hair with highlights and brown or hazel eyes. Each ear is pierced twice, but she has no significant moles, birthmarks or surgical scars. Lower- set ears and a small cranial cavity suggest she perhaps was cognitively disabled. And a radiograph of her body indicates she's probably close to 18 years old; investigators just don't want to limit the search too much.

The woman could be from anywhere, although conventional wisdom suggests she's likely from the Milwaukee area.

"I've been around here 28 years, and I've seen a lot of bodies dumped in the county all too often," Dehne said. "Every body dumped south of Highway 20 came out of Illinois. Every body dumped north of Highway 20 comes out of the Milwaukee area. This body was dumped north of Highway 20."

The theory proved true in discovering the identity of Amber Gail Creek, a runaway from Palatine, Ill., whose frozen body was discovered in a nature preserve in Burlington -- south of Highway 20. A year and a half after the 14-year-old's body was found, an investigator found out her name during a search of national missing persons information. Her death remains unsolved.

Dehne said there are more theories about this Jane Doe's identity and her probable killer than there are leads in the investigation.

"The only one thing we can close the door on is it wasn't a suicide," Dehne said. "Once we identify her, the real work -- finding her killer -- will begin."

Dehne said this latest Jane Doe investigation was reinvigorated by her funeral Oct. 21. Nearly 50 strangers attended the funeral, paid for with donations from area businesses, to say goodbye to the girl they will never know.

"I just sat there during the funeral, and all I could think of was this could be my daughter lying in that grave with a Jane Doe tag on her," Dehne said. "I kept wondering, where in the h**l are her parents? And, I'd like to think that if it were my child, someone would be pulling out all of the stops to find her identity and find her killer."

Reilly has been contacting all of the homeless shelters in southeastern Wisconsin and will be sending them Jane Doe's picture. The investigators are also hoping they can get the photo posted at truck stops and rest stops throughout the area. They have already contacted pediatric and dental offices throughout the area as well as agencies that work with developmentally disabled children.

Dehne and Reilly admit they can't stop thinking about the case. They call in on days off to see if there has been a break, a lead, some new hope.

"I constantly dwell on it," Reilly said. "I wonder if she ever smiled. She must have smiled when she was a little kid. She certainly didn't have much to smile about in the last year of her life."

Although the case is a grisly way to end his 28 years in law enforcement, Dehne said his faith remains unshaken. After retiring, he hopes to enroll in a seminary and become a Lutheran minister.

"I believe there's a God; there is no doubt about it," Dehne said. "I just sometimes wonder about man."

Copyright 1999
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monkalup
03-06-2008, 09:39 AM
Memorial Event Planned
On July 21st, 1999 at 6:30 am, a man walking his dog along a country road spotted the pile of clothing lying alongside the cornfield. But the pile of clothing would turn out to be a young woman, and one of the biggest unsolved mysteries in Racine County.

Autopsy would determine that she had been in the custody of her killer for 2 to 4 weeks and had succumbed to torture. She was 5 feet 8 inches tall, weighed about 120 pounds when located, had brown hair and brown or hazel eyes. Her ears were double pierced and she had a slight "bucktoothed" appearence. X ray of her skull showed that it was smaller than normal and could indicate cogntive disability. Other than poor dental hygiene, it appeared as though she was well cared for before she met her killer and her body showed no signs of broken bones, scars, birthmarks or tattoos.

Her body was dumped approximately 2 miles from the well known 7 Mile Fair and about 2 weeks after Summerfest had finished its run in Milwaukee.

Everyone confronted denied knowing her and she had been compared to over 1,500 missing persons thoughout the United States without a successful match. Even worse, her killers were still at large.

Jane was buried in October of that year and local people attended the service and then her buriel.

Pat Champeau of Lost Souls Org is planning a memorial service for this July 20th in hopes of bringing together those who care about the still unknown woman and hopefully generate more media interest in her case.

Contact the author for more details.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5...nt_planned.html

Richard
03-06-2008, 10:12 AM
Lauran,

Thanks for all the Newspaper stories on this case. Hopefully with renewed information and interest she can be identified and her killer(s) caught.

kandoo76
03-07-2008, 03:04 PM
Doe anyone else get a creepy feeling when they see this Jane Doe?

Babyslims
03-09-2008, 12:30 PM
does anyone know if they ever checked out angela ponte?

Lizza
03-10-2008, 10:39 AM
I will check this out.

Eire
03-12-2008, 10:48 AM
Doe anyone else get a creepy feeling when they see this Jane Doe?

I do. I don't know what it is, but it's almost haunting. I also get the impression that she was deaf though I have absolutely zero evidence to back that up. It's just a gut instinct, I guess.

The UID cases always make me cry. This one make me cry more than most. This poor girl endured horrible things before she left this world. Her suffering may be over, but she still needs to have her name back.

Fairy1
04-30-2008, 10:26 AM
Dearest Websleuthers - this is a very disturbing case, but one that truly needs attention. Please take a look - this little girl needs our help! :)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/199ufwi.html

NewMommy09
04-30-2008, 10:37 AM
Wow, I think that is one of the widest age ranges I have seen for a UID (14 to 35 years old), especially since they found her hours after she died. She must have been BADLY disfigured.

A couple things about the details on Doe Network lead me to feel that she is older, rather than younger.

Fairy1
04-30-2008, 10:55 AM
Wow, I think that is one of the widest age ranges I have seen for a UID (14 to 35 years old), especially since they found her hours after she died. She must have been BADLY disfigured.

A couple things about the details on Doe Network lead me to feel that she is older, rather than younger.

What makes you believe she was older? Can you share?

Fairy1
04-30-2008, 11:04 AM
On her Doe Network page there is a link to an article dated a year after she was found. They say there are similarities to another case for which 3 men were arrested. For some reason, I can't seem to link it here. It's the:

jsonline.com (http://jsonline.com) article.

kygal
04-30-2008, 12:07 PM
Here is the case you're speaking of Fairy. http://www2.jsonline.com/news/racine/jul00/doer16071500a.asp


Also, look at this. http://www.racineco.com/sheriff/crimebulletin.aspx

Do you think that all these cases could be related to the three men charged in Illinois? Amber was from IL and found in Racine, WI after a similar experience. The woman killed in IL also was very badly beaten and seems to have some sort of issues physically. Racine UID is probably related to these in some way.

Here is also the other thread in cold cases that has some possible ID's on it as well. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408&highlight=Racine+WI)

Fairy1
04-30-2008, 01:20 PM
kygal - thanks so much for the info and link to the original thread - not sure how I missed that!

The thought that she's from outside the US is certainly more than possible. I fear for immigrants who may not be in the states legally for this very reason. She may very well be from Russia or Ukraine, possibly an orphan who had no other choice but to find work in the US. Maybe she had no one left to look for her! Poor little thing. I do feel strongly that the men in Illinois may be linked to this case as well. There must be something they can check into to tie them together. :waitasec:

kygal
04-30-2008, 03:35 PM
There is something that clearly ties Chicago to Racine County Wisconsin. I know it's a far fetch, but what were those three guys employed as? Could they have had a job (such as truck drivers/migrant workers/railroad) that would have connected the two places? Someone in those fields would have the opportunity to I would think. Any others?

BTW, here is the UID poster I could find of the IL case listed in the article. http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster230.htm Here is the story of where they ID'ed her. http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Jane.Doe.Mary.2.324806.html Note there is no pic other than the one in the corner. However it is obvious they don't look that much alike, but were matched by both dentals and DNA.

I think that these two UID's have some very similar characteristics -- and both had their hair cut just before they were killed and were beaten until unrecognizable. They also said that Mary Kate's pic on Charley project didn't look ANYTHING AT ALL like the pic of the victim they eventually were able to get in reconstruction in one article that I can't find again.

ETA: all three men charged in Mary Kate Sunderlin-Chamizo's death were either convicted or plead guilty.

NewMommy09
04-30-2008, 04:20 PM
What makes you believe she was older? Can you share?
It's really not anything scientific. It's more my personal reasoning based on her height and dental state as well as the clothes she was wearing.
The height suggests an older teen to adult to me, rather than a 14 year old.
Her dental state also suggests to me that she was an older teen to adult, because IMO, it is more common in adults to have missing and/or decayed teeth to the extent reported on the UID.
I would have been about 19 when she died, and the clothing is something that I would have considered way out of fashion, not something a teen would wear at all.

While I think someone could easily argue against any one of those opinions, it is all three of them together that make me feel she was a bit older. I would say early to late 20's.

Again, this is only my opinion.

kygal
04-30-2008, 06:36 PM
It's really not anything scientific. It's more my personal reasoning based on her height and dental state as well as the clothes she was wearing.
The height suggests an older teen to adult to me, rather than a 14 year old.
Her dental state also suggests to me that she was an older teen to adult, because IMO, it is more common in adults to have missing and/or decayed teeth to the extent reported on the UID.
I would have been about 19 when she died, and the clothing is something that I would have considered way out of fashion, not something a teen would wear at all.

While I think someone could easily argue against any one of those opinions, it is all three of them together that make me feel she was a bit older. I would say early to late 20's.

Again, this is only my opinion.

I get the impression that she is older too. Unless she was on a lot of meds or had a serious sweet tooth, that much decay would have taken a while to start and be to that extent.

Again, that thought makes me wonder about the hair cutting. Wonder if she was on a lot of meds that would have made tracing her by elements in her hair (you know, like they can see if you done illegal drugs by examining your hair) and the killer(s) cut it off to keep it from happening.

Fairy1
04-30-2008, 07:48 PM
It's really not anything scientific. It's more my personal reasoning based on her height and dental state as well as the clothes she was wearing.
The height suggests an older teen to adult to me, rather than a 14 year old.
Her dental state also suggests to me that she was an older teen to adult, because IMO, it is more common in adults to have missing and/or decayed teeth to the extent reported on the UID.
I would have been about 19 when she died, and the clothing is something that I would have considered way out of fashion, not something a teen would wear at all.

While I think someone could easily argue against any one of those opinions, it is all three of them together that make me feel she was a bit older. I would say early to late 20's.

Again, this is only my opinion.

Great points - thank you. This is exactly why I wanted to bring this case here (again) - to get some other insights. I do believe this case is tied to the Illinois case. I'm going to see if I can find anything regarding the arrests and convictions of those guys.

Fairy1
04-30-2008, 08:14 PM
This is all I could find on Jason Strong. Looking at his "motive," as feeble as it was, maybe these cases are not connected afterall...???


http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=3895090

kygal
04-30-2008, 08:42 PM
I could see that they may not be, but what about Racine JD and Amber Creek? I still have to think the Chicago connection could be there.

Fairy1
04-30-2008, 09:19 PM
I could see that they may not be, but what about Racine JD and Amber Creek? I still have to think the Chicago connection could be there.

Could be kygal. I'm just thinking that the kind of torture Racine JD endured would have happened in a somewhat secluded location. Definitely NOT in a motel. Would you agree? It had to be one sick freak or freaks to inflict the kind of methodical torture this girl suffered over a relatively long period of time. It makes me sick to think whoever did it could still be out there.

buttercup72
05-28-2008, 12:19 PM
Hi everyone. I am new to this website. I have been reading the forums on Websleuth for a few weeks now.

I remember reading the newspaper from July 1999, an unidentified female who was found dead in a Racine Co., WI cornfield not far from Interstate 94. She was tortured for some time prior and ultimately resulted to her demise. The senseless murder of this still unidentified female has saddened me and brought tears to my eyes nearly everytime I look at her poster.

I lived in Racine, WI for all my childhood life and into my early adult years, then moving to Kenosha County, WI. So I have always felt some kind of pull drawing me to finding the identification to this girl.

Recently and I don't know why or what has intrigued me so much so that I have spent countless hours viewing possible matches of disappearances throughout the country, including as much I could view internationally, mostly Canada. Thoroughly searching missing persons agencies online for the midwestern states and the states I-94 travels through. Someone, somewhere must have knew this woman. Here are a few links describing her appearance and the nature of the crime.

http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster274.htm
WARNING-POST MORTEM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbRUhe5HmQA
Video

http://www.racineco.com/sheriff/crimebulletin.aspx
Computer generated photo

http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/2007/10/crystal-rae-1999-unidentified-racine.html
More info including a better photo of the shirt Jane Doe was wearing

I have viewed every single possible match fitting Jane Doe's description on numerous websites for women disappearing around the time frame in which she was found (Charley Project, NCMEC, Porchlight, etc..) There was always some sort of identifying characteristic that would rule out the possible match. Even going back 5-6 years thinking maybe she was a runaway.

So I started thinking that maybe she wasn't even an adult but maybe a child abducted many years prior to her being found. I looked through the countless children missing in the U.S. for same color eyes, hair, etc..

Then I came across Nyleen Kay Marshall who was abducted in 1983. The eye color doesn't match but in my opinion the shape of her face and the possible protruding front teeth (a video of Nyleen's disappearance aired on Unsolved Mysteries shows Nyleen's mother speaking of her child--to me it looked as if she has protruding front teeth--possibly passing that trait onto her child.) the wavy brown hair and the cute button nose.

youtube.com/watch?v=zA7U6HVuXgU - 81k (Unsolved Mysteries segment)

The most identyfying factor to me was a man who called and wrote several letters to missing children agencies stating he had Nyleen. The letters/postcards were postmarked from the Madison, WI area. The shirt Jane Doe was found wearing was distrubuted in 1984 possibly purchased by the abductor and why Jane Doe was wearing the shirt.

I realize the shape of Jane Doe's face and chin compared to the shape of Nyleen's is a little off, but with Jane Doe being malnourished I am assuming could change the structure of Jane Doe's face. Also, Nyleen being only 5 when abducted, she had that chubby child-like face that so many young children have but outgrow as pre-teenagers.

This entire scenario has reminded of the true crime story "American Crime" about a girl living with a childhood friend's family in the 1960's who was abused and tortured and ultimately murdered by the hand's of her friend's mother and other family members.

So possibly our Jane Doe could be Nyleen. Maybe once she became older, a little wiser she started to recollect her childhood memories and questioning those memories, maybe she became too much to handle. The abductor may have been abusing her all of these years or maybe just shortly before the time of her death.

Maybe she was a runaway (repeatedly running away) and the parents have just given up and maybe she has just been lost in the system. Or maybe a prostitute or a drug addict and no one realizes she is gone or had not reported it. Maybe she's not even from this country--which is much harder to try and locate online especially in regions of Russia (Ukraine) where children and women are bought and sold just to be slaves to their owners in America.

Then again, Jane Doe could have been abused by her parents or husband/boyfriend. Maybe the abuser said she left him or ran away. With that in mind, people that knew her would never question Jane Doe's whereabouts.

I have wracked my brain trying to find the identity of this poor girl. I am so frustrated that she can't be identified. Someone knew her!! I know this is just one case out of thousands (understatement) but I just can't understand how someone just disappears without any trace.

I was never associated with the detectives or police of this crime, but I can't help but to care and wonder what happened to her and who could be so cold to inflict such violence on another human being.

I am a mother of three and I could never imagine being in the shoes of parents with missing children. I don't know how I could live on. But I would hope that someone whether it be law enforcement or just an everyday person wanting answers would do everything in their power to help locate my child.

So anyways, I am just wondering if anyone out there has followed either one of these cases and if anyone else has the same ponders as I do with the comparison of Jane Doe and Nyleen.

AmandaBrown23
05-28-2008, 12:46 PM
Hi everyone. I am new to this website. I have been reading the forums on Websleuth for a few weeks now.

I remember reading the newspaper from July 1999, an unidentified female who was found dead in a Racine Co., WI cornfield not far from Interstate 94. She was tortured for some time prior and ultimately resulted to her demise. The senseless murder of this still unidentified female has saddened me and brought tears to my eyes nearly everytime I look at her poster.

I lived in Racine, WI for all my childhood life and into my early adult years, then moving to Kenosha County, WI. So I have always felt some kind of pull drawing me to finding the identification to this girl.

Recently and I don't know why or what has intrigued me so much so that I have spent countless hours viewing possible matches of disappearances throughout the country, including as much I could view internationally, mostly Canada. Thoroughly searching missing persons agencies online for the midwestern states and the states I-94 travels through. Someone, somewhere must have knew this woman. Here are a few links describing her appearance and the nature of the crime.

http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster274.htm
WARNING-POST MORTEM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbRUhe5HmQA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbRUhe5HmQA)
Video

http://www.racineco.com/sheriff/crimebulletin.aspx
Computer generated photo

http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/2007/10/crystal-rae-1999-unidentified-racine.html
More info including a better photo of the shirt Jane Doe was wearing

I have viewed every single possible match fitting Jane Doe's description on numerous websites for women disappearing around the time frame in which she was found (Charley Project, NCMEC, Porchlight, etc..) There was always some sort of identifying characteristic that would rule out the possible match. Even going back 5-6 years thinking maybe she was a runaway.

So I started thinking that maybe she wasn't even an adult but maybe a child abducted many years prior to her being found. I looked through the countless children missing in the U.S. for same color eyes, hair, etc..

Then I came across Nyleen Kay Marshall who was abducted in 1983. The eye color doesn't match but in my opinion the shape of her face and the possible protruding front teeth (a video of Nyleen's disappearance aired on Unsolved Mysteries shows Nyleen's mother speaking of her child--to me it looked as if she has protruding front teeth--possibly passing that trait onto her child.) the wavy brown hair and the cute button nose.

youtube.com/watch?v=zA7U6HVuXgU - 81k (Unsolved Mysteries segment)

The most identyfying factor to me was a man who called and wrote several letters to missing children agencies stating he had Nyleen. The letters/postcards were postmarked from the Madison, WI area. The shirt Jane Doe was found wearing was distrubuted in 1984 possibly purchased by the abductor and why Jane Doe was wearing the shirt.

I realize the shape of Jane Doe's face and chin compared to the shape of Nyleen's is a little off, but with Jane Doe being malnourished I am assuming could change the structure of Jane Doe's face. Also, Nyleen being only 5 when abducted, she had that chubby child-like face that so many young children have but outgrow as pre-teenagers.

This entire scenario has reminded of the true crime story "American Crime" about a girl living with a childhood friend's family in the 1960's who was abused and tortured and ultimately murdered by the hand's of her friend's mother and other family members.

So possibly our Jane Doe could be Nyleen. Maybe once she became older, a little wiser she started to recollect her childhood memories and questioning those memories, maybe she became too much to handle. The abductor may have been abusing her all of these years or maybe just shortly before the time of her death.

Maybe she was a runaway (repeatedly running away) and the parents have just given up and maybe she has just been lost in the system. Or maybe a prostitute or a drug addict and no one realizes she is gone or had not reported it. Maybe she's not even from this country--which is much harder to try and locate online especially in regions of Russia (Ukraine) where children and women are bought and sold just to be slaves to their owners in America.

Then again, Jane Doe could have been abused by her parents or husband/boyfriend. Maybe the abuser said she left him or ran away. With that in mind, people that knew her would never question Jane Doe's whereabouts.

I have wracked my brain trying to find the identity of this poor girl. I am so frustrated that she can't be identified. Someone knew her!! I know this is just one case out of thousands (understatement) but I just can't understand how someone just disappears without any trace.

I was never associated with the detectives or police of this crime, but I can't help but to care and wonder what happened to her and who could be so cold to inflict such violence on another human being.

I am a mother of three and I could never imagine being in the shoes of parents with missing children. I don't know how I could live on. But I would hope that someone whether it be law enforcement or just an everyday person wanting answers would do everything in their power to help locate my child.

So anyways, I am just wondering if anyone out there has followed either one of these cases and if anyone else has the same ponders as I do with the comparison of Jane Doe and Nyleen.

YOu are off to a good start. I do think that she does resemble her. The eye color is off though.

AmandaBrown23
05-28-2008, 12:48 PM
I also wonder if this jane doe was a prostitute.

kygal
05-28-2008, 01:30 PM
Here are the other threads for this case. Hopefully with the information you have we can solve this case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408&highlight=Racine+Wisconsin)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64188

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34874

Please also remember that sometimes the information in the cases you have looked at may be incorrect. It's not because they don't know, but details could be generalizations (height and weight are good examples) for either a missing person or a JD. Do you have some besides Nyleen that you have considered the closest? I agree it looks very similar.

buttercup72
05-28-2008, 05:33 PM
That is a very strong possiblity--her being a prostitute. There are so many different angles to look at this. There were quite a few missing women/children that came close to a match, but there were also a few missing persons shown in the mini video of Jane Doe that I had speculated about being a match that I am assuming according to the video did not make a positive match. Here are a few I believe fit her description-

Lori Ann Krueger-
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewCsawDetail&caseNum=925716&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US
(last seen in 2000 abductor of her daughter in WI--but maybe the dates are off as to when the last time she (the mother) was actually seen. Maybe because of the assumption that she did kidknap her own daughter would place her the last time the daughter was seen. It's a possibility that law enforcements are just speculating she kidknapped her own daughter. The resemblence and height and weight are almost a dead on match not to mention they're from WI)

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/r/richart_christina.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/217dfca.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/217dfca.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/217dfca.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lucero_stephanie.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mitchell_karen.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/parker_tawnya.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/henson_brooke.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bergeron_lurline.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bradley_amy.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/murray_sarah.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_aundria.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vincent_doreen.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/e/eck_melissa.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hudakoc_wendy.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/luna_marjorie.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/brewer_tabitha.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/mosley_tracie.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fay_jennifer.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/q/quimby_deborah.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/king_kimberly.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/shanes_natasha.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/fiedler_eva.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/porco_kristina.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/slaughter_amanda.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/cummings_susan.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/appleton_monica.html
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/s/shoemake_dina.html

These are all of the missing cases I feel fit her description some more so than others. In some of the cases, I am just going by appx height/weight not so much the physical appearance such as eye color/hair. Some may have tatoos or other scars or moles, but the killer could have scraped those off of her as to scrape away at her identity, not really being noticed by the medical examiner due to the torturing, who knows. Even some of the dates are after her death but like I said, the "last seen" could be incorrectly posted or the eyewitness's dates were incorrect or even intentionally stated wrong by a family member. Let me know what you think on the closest matches. There are only a few I feel really strongly about.

R.I.P Raymond Jane Doe

buttercup72
05-28-2008, 05:35 PM
Sorry about the computer fart posted the same link three times.

Fairy1
05-28-2008, 11:49 PM
Wow - Doreen Vincent is by far the closest possibility I've ever seen! Not that I would want to see what happened to Racine JD happen to anyone's child. But it sure looks like a potential match to me! I wonder if she's ever been checked out???

pugsley
05-29-2008, 09:49 PM
I totally agree with Fairy1, she is a very good match. The nose & lips are extremely similar.

Good job Buttercup! I've been trying for a while to find a match for her. I have had no luck. Doe Network had told me they really think she was from another country because of her severe teeth decay. But HELLO, since when do child abductors take you to the dentist? (IMO) Doreen has been missing since 88, poor dental hygiene & lack of nutrition would probably do a number on a set of teeth.

Pugsley

AmandaBrown23
05-29-2008, 10:01 PM
I agree Doreen looks like her but it says doreen had double peirced ears, does jane doe have that as well or do we know that info???

AmandaBrown23
05-29-2008, 10:02 PM
Ok never mind I see that they are!!! How great of a job finding her!!

Fairy1
05-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Buttercup - I have been obsessed with this case as well. It truly breaks my heart. I have been looking endlessly for a match and must have overlooked Doreen. There have been posters who believed Racine JD must have been a bit older due to the condition of her teeth. If my calculations are correct, Doreen would have been 23 when RJD was found. If this girl was abducted at the age of 12, I can see how her teeth weren't in good shape. Anyone care to contact the Doe Network to see if Doreen has been checked against Racine Jane Doe?

buttercup72
05-30-2008, 09:59 AM
Okay, after looking at Lori Ann Krueger a little more closely, I see that she doesn't really fit JD's description. Lori's forehead is smaller, nose is different, eyes have more of a downward slope and the facial structure is also different. I can definately rule out Jennifer Lynn Fay, Brooke Leigh Hensen, Tabitha Diane Brewer, Wendy Kathlene Hudakoc and Christina Marchell Richart.

These missing women and children are shown in the Jane Doe's video I previously posted of missing persons that LE have all ready looked into. I had to repeatedly click the mouse to actually see the missing since the pictures are shown so fast.

I am fairly ceratin that I can also rule out Theresa Ann Bier, Stephanie June Lucero, Karen Marie Mitchell, Tawnya Fay Parker, Amy Lynn Bradley, Melissa Lynn Eck, Tracie Lynn Mosley, Kristina Joanne Porco, Amanda Gail Slaughter, Monica Lynn Appleton just due to the fact that none of these women really "look" like Jane Doe.

That being said, Dina Michele Shoemake. Susan Marie Cummings, Eva Maire Fiedler, Natasha Marie Shanes, Kimberly Alice KIng, Deborah Ann Quimby, Marjorie Christina Luna, Doreen Jane Vincent, Aundria Michelle Bowman, Sarah Lee Murphy, and Lurline M. Bergeron are all matching possiblities with Doreen Jane Vincent being in my opinion as well, on the top of the list of being the closest match.

Doreen's physical description is so close to that of Jane Doe. She more than likely did run away (since she had money and clothing on her at the time of her disappearance) and maybe was a transient for some time, became a prostitute or involved with drugs and was picked up by some freak.

Doreen has so many of the fitting physical characteristics of Jane Doe. The short, wavy curly brown hair, the hazel eyes, double pierced ears, probably Jane Doe's height by the time she reached maturity, long slender neck and her nose and lips are a very close match as well. I wish they had a better pic showing Doreen's ears. Jane Doe's are lower set and she also had that cauliflower ear deformity but we don't know if that was something that happened due to the beating/torturing she endured or if it was a injury she sustained as a child.

I read up on cauliflower ear because I had never heard of it prior to reading Jane Doe's report. If medical attention is not seeked shortly after the injury to the ear, the cartilage breaks down and causes the cartlilage to die. The outer ear becomes permanently swollen and deformed giving it that cauliflower resemblence. It can also cause hearing loss in the ear. Cauliflower ear is very common in boxers and wrestlers from the repeated blows to the head. But I can see it happening to someone who has taken a hard fall or a hit from maybe a baseball.

I would think had the injury happened prior to Doreen's disappearance that would have been a factor in her description that she had a deformed ear and possibly hearing loss.

I am so new to this, and I know this sounds ignorant, I wouldn't even know how to go about contacting authorities or The Doe Network. I don't want them to think that I am some kind of nut case. Well, I guess I am, lol, not having anything better to do then to sit here on my computer looking up cold cases.

Jane Doe has just taken up so much of my time that I guess it never crossed my mind what I would do if I did infact think I had a match. Can anyone give me some ideas on what I should say and who exactly to contact first. Is the Doe Network contacted by law enforcement authorities if she (Doreen--or anyone missing for that matter) was ever a possible match. I mean, would that have that info in their records?

Thanks everyone!!

katyb66
05-31-2008, 12:48 AM
hello, first time posting just joined websleuths. I want to commend all of you for all the hard work!

Found some other cases for racine cnty around the same time. Wonder if the girl was from Illinois the same as the other young girl who was killed a 1 1/2 year ealier? At first they were saying the two were unrelated then later in news articles they are saying they could be related murders?

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - February 10, 1997

Female body found in Racine County
The body of an unidentified female was found in Racine County Sunday, Sheriff's Department officials said. Although the cause and time of death are not known, officials said, it was probably a homicide. An autopsy was scheduled for Tuesday. The body was found by people walking in the Town of Burlington.Officials said the white female appeared to be in her teens or 20s, was 5-foot-8, weighed 140 to 150 pounds and had multicolored, medium-length hair. Her left ear was pierced


Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - June 27, 1998

Internet search leads to identity of body found near Burlington Illinois girl, 14, had disappeared 3 weeks before discovery last year
An investigator's decision to re-examine an Internet site for missing children led to the identification of a murder victim found in a Burlington-area marsh 1 1/2 years ago, authorities announced Friday. The discovery has given the family of the victim -- Amber Gail Creek, 14, a runaway from Palatine, Ill., with a troubled past -- a sense of closure, said Racine Sheriff's Department Detective Joyce Singer, the lead detective on the case.Amber father and stepmother...

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel - July 22, 1999

Woman's body found in Raymond cornfield
The body of a young woman was found Wednesday morning in a cornfield along a road in Raymond, and the Racine County Sheriff's Department said it was investigating the death as a homicide. Lt. James Scherff said authorities could not immediately determine a cause of death. The body was taken to Milwaukee for an autopsy.Authorities described the woman as 5 feet 8 inches and about 110 pounds, with short reddish hair, a slim build, wearing black sweat pants and a grayish...

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (WI) - July 16, 2000

One year later, investigators still seek woman's killer, Body found in Raymond cornfield has some striking similarities to Illinois case
Investigators know her face. It's the face they first saw when her body was found in a Town of Raymond cornfield. A close-up photograph of her, taken as her copse lay on the morgue table, has been computer-enhanced to give it life and perhaps lead to clues.They know how she died.She was tortured for two, possibly four weeks -- burned, battered and starved.Yet nearly one year later, they still don't know her name and who killed her.Investigators say,...

buttercup72
05-31-2008, 07:46 AM
Hello Katyb66 and welcome.

I myself just joined last week. Although I have been reading the posts for some time now.

I have often thought these other two cases could be related to the Raymond Jane Doe. The woman from Illinois, Mary Kate Sunderlin (I believe was her name) her killers were caught, tried and convicted before she ever even was identified.

I have not came across anything yet since their convictions that they had anything to do with her murder. I did read though after they were convicted that the woman in charge of the of the Raymond Jane Doe either all ready contacted authorities and she was waiting for a response or she was going to look into it. Can't remember. I think the man that was mainly involved with Mary's murder name is Jason Strong if you want to read about it. There were three men all together that took part in her murder.

Amber Gail Creek's (the girl found in Burlington) killer(s), have not unfortunately been found.

I have searched and searched the missing persons more extensively in the midwestern states without any luck so far for a good match.

katyb66
05-31-2008, 11:52 AM
hi buttercup, good to meet you.

so sad about all these girls/woman missing, jane does. Found the full version of some of the above articles at another section on this site. So often when I see these young woman who are never claimed I often think they could be foster children. At one time I had come across .gov website of pages and pages and pages of missing children from the foster system in Illinois or New York. Many were young people who were marked as runaways. To me these young people would be easy victims because no one cares or is looking for them.

The other articles about this jane doe says her teeth were either missing or badly decaying which makes me think she was either into some heavy drugs at a young age or she came from a poor backround.

Another side note is that if she had grey eyes or brown eyes with brown hair coming from milwaukee area she could of been american indian. If this is the case she may not be in any system other than the FBI data base cuz they have jurisdiction on Indian cases. Most often they are put on the back burner.

katyb66
05-31-2008, 05:38 PM
this is a strange case but has anyone checked into Rachel Marie Mellon(stemp) from boilingbrook illinois?

She came up missing January 1996 and still is missing. She was 13( birthday: oct 13, 1982) and aby the looks of her website ( http://www.rachelfind.com/Rachel1.htm ) she was very mature looking for her age. Also she has dark brown hair, hazel eyes, by looking at her picture she has "protruding jawline/teeth" . her facial structure looks the same as raymond jane doe. I understand rachel mellon disppeared three years prior to jane doe being found but nothing is to say she wasn't being kept captive before she died.


All Missing Children Deserve
To Be Found!
Rachel Marie Mellon
DOB: Oct 13, 1982
Missing: Jan 31, 1996
Age Now: 25
Sex: Female
Race: AsianHair: Black
Eyes: Hazel
Height in 1996: 5'0"
Weight in 1996: 65 lbs

Meyahna
06-09-2008, 06:36 PM
I totally agree with Fairy1, she is a very good match. The nose & lips are extremely similar.

Good job Buttercup! I've been trying for a while to find a match for her. I have had no luck. Doe Network had told me they really think she was from another country because of her severe teeth decay. But HELLO, since when do child abductors take you to the dentist? (IMO) Doreen has been missing since 88, poor dental hygiene & lack of nutrition would probably do a number on a set of teeth.

Pugsley

Who told you that? That must have been long ago. And I have many articles about her and her being from a foreign country was just a theory however it wasn't so much based on her teeth condition more on her general appearance and the fact they could not locate any fitting missing persons report. I think she just needs not to be rich or not well taken care of to have severe teeth decay no need to come from another country for that...

I think she's local. However I clearly see her not caucasian and definitely not on any missing person website. Olive skin and very "native" nose. The coroner and other in Wisconsin have been looking a lot for this girl. I don't think they'd have missed her online. I used to think too she could have been murdered by the same people as Mary Kate Sunderlin but I no longer think so however I really wondered if these people arrested recently (a couple months ago) in WI for torturing a disabled woman weren't involved in her death.

Soonerbabie
06-10-2008, 09:59 AM
Just something to think about if it hasnt been noticed, the missing weight is probably heavier than the finding.. If she was held captive, she probably wasn't kept nourished that well.. Just an idea.

tangledweb
06-29-2008, 09:13 PM
So, has anyone matched the DNA of the Jane Doe woman from Racine with Nylene Kay Marshall's mother in Montana?

What interested me were the letters from Madison, WI. You would think the detectives would have released the letters to the public and put them in the newspapers. That's how the Unabomber was caught, his brother recognized the handwriting and the subject matter after the Unabomber's ramblings were published.

Julessleuther
07-08-2008, 02:07 AM
These are for Racine Jane Doe:

Weight is alittle off for Racine Jane Doe, but the nose is similar:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=812788&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=2&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=812788&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=2&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)

This one is from MN
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1013652&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1013652&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)

From Michigan--height is alittle off
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet? (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=601760&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)

buttercup72
07-08-2008, 11:11 AM
Hello everyone. Sorry that I haven't posted or replied in quite some time. I have been very busy, mostly searching for an identity for Racine County Jane Doe, creating a myspace page for her, here's the address if you would like to take a look, let me know what you think (http://www.myspace.com/racinecountyjanedoe) and my husband and I recently took a vacation to Vegas (SO HOT!!!)

Anyways, as far as Nyleen Kay Marshall goes, her eyes are blue, but everything else about the investigation still leads me to believe that Nyleen could be Jane Doe. There is a possibility that the coroner didn't mention that Jane Doe's eyes were maybe of a green/blue hazel versus green/brown hazel. My niece has green/blue hazel eyes--more of a varation of hues with blues and greens. Sometimes in the right lighting they look blue and other times they look green.

I am not sure if law enforcement here as ever contacted offiicials concerning Nyleen as a possible match for Racine Jane Doe. But I did contact the lead investigator about one match, and what a match it was--at least I thought it was. I copied and pasted below my original email to the detective--

Dear Mr. Knaus,

I am emailing you in regards to the unidentified female victim found in Raymond July '99.

First let me say, I am not part of law enforcement--I am just a normal everyday person who has been bothered by this case since day one. I lived in Racine for 20 years and now reside in Kenosha County and I am married and have three children. Recently, and I don't know what provoked me to do so, I started looking at missing persons websites trying to find Jane Doe a match. I even went as far as creating a myspace page for her just to get her face out there. I have literally viewed thousands of possible matches, without much luck. There are a few that I think possibly fit her description but not so much as one that I stumbled upon today.

The picture can be viewed at the Doenetwork http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/510dfqc.html The picture gave me goose bumps. The Doe Network:
Case File 510DFQC

Left 2: Kniaz at age 16 & 12; Right: Age-Progressed images
Myriam Isabella Kniaz
Missing since November 15, 1981 from Ste-Foy, Quebec, Canada.
Classification: Missing

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Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: October 20, 1965
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5" - 165 cm; 112 lbs - 51 kg
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown eyes; brown hair.
Clothing: She was last seen wearing blue jeans, brown shoes, a blue/white vest and a short green coat
Dentals: Not available
AKA: Mirriam Isabella Kniaz
Other: She speaks French and English. DNA available

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Circumstances of Disappearance
Myriam was last seen at her foster home in 1981.
She is a habitual runaway from group and foster homes.

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Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police
877-318-3576
NCIC Number:
M-850705772
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
Source Information:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

Below are pics of Jane Doe just to refresh your memory.
I know Myriam is a little older than Jane Doe was first thought to be, and the height is a little shorter than stated but I know that can't always be a determining factor when matching. I think the first description described Jane Doe as being 18-35, then I think I read she was between the ages of 13-25. So Myriam does fit into the ages described. I wasn't sure which investigator/detective to send this to, so I sent it to the both of you.

I hope this is her, not that I want to wish anybody dead. But it would be nice to give the girl a name and maybe catch the monster that did this to her. If this is not her, I am going to continue my search for her. Please contact me if this is a match.

Thank you,

**********************
I emailed this to the investigator a week or so prior to my vacation and when I returned home just last week, there was a reply in my inbox from the investigator. Unfortunately, Jane Doe is not Myriam. At one time or another and I am not sure how long ago this was, the investigating officials also thought Jane doe was Myraim, but DNA did not make a match.

I had also sent an email to Doenetwork the same time that I sent an email to investigators in Racine but Doenetwork has not replied to the email.

So back to the drawing board. I will continue to search for her until I have viewed every single missing persons pic on the internet--it just gets so frustrating!!

Cymro
07-08-2008, 05:03 PM
Any news on whether Doreen Vincent has been submitted as a possible match?

Fairy1
07-11-2008, 11:26 PM
What are your thoughts on this:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67133&page=5

Torture......

buttercup72
07-12-2008, 01:06 PM
Hello.

Cymro--I am not sure if Doreen Jane Vincent was ever looked into as a possible match for Racine Jane Doe. I would assume so due to the close resemblence of the two. From what I read on Doreen Jane Vincent, LE believe she was murdered by Hayden Clark even though he was never officailly charged but was convicted of mudering a young woman and a 6 year old girl. The link can be found within Charelyproject.org (for whatever reason I can't copy and paste?) for details on Dorren's disappearance.

Fairy1--I heard about the Wisconsin Rapids torture case and my first inclination was he could have murdered Jane Doe, but the MO doesn't seem to fit as far as his sexual urges towards men go. The torture, yes. But I did read that he was also married at one time, so maybe his sexual tendencies started with women. He obviosly liked women at one point and time, who knows. Maybe he started off torturing women thinking we are weaker and maybe he became a little more confident in his ways and moved to men.

assaf1981
07-12-2008, 06:37 PM
Hi everyone. I am new to this website. I have been reading the forums on Websleuth for a few weeks now.

I remember reading the newspaper from July 1999, an unidentified female who was found dead in a Racine Co., WI cornfield not far from Interstate 94. She was tortured for some time prior and ultimately resulted to her demise. The senseless murder of this still unidentified female has saddened me and brought tears to my eyes nearly everytime I look at her poster.

I lived in Racine, WI for all my childhood life and into my early adult years, then moving to Kenosha County, WI. So I have always felt some kind of pull drawing me to finding the identification to this girl.

Recently and I don't know why or what has intrigued me so much so that I have spent countless hours viewing possible matches of disappearances throughout the country, including as much I could view internationally, mostly Canada. Thoroughly searching missing persons agencies online for the midwestern states and the states I-94 travels through. Someone, somewhere must have knew this woman. Here are a few links describing her appearance and the nature of the crime.

http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster274.htm
WARNING-POST MORTEM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbRUhe5HmQA
Video

http://www.racineco.com/sheriff/crimebulletin.aspx
Computer generated photo

http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/2007/10/crystal-rae-1999-unidentified-racine.html
More info including a better photo of the shirt Jane Doe was wearing

I have viewed every single possible match fitting Jane Doe's description on numerous websites for women disappearing around the time frame in which she was found (Charley Project, NCMEC, Porchlight, etc..) There was always some sort of identifying characteristic that would rule out the possible match. Even going back 5-6 years thinking maybe she was a runaway.

So I started thinking that maybe she wasn't even an adult but maybe a child abducted many years prior to her being found. I looked through the countless children missing in the U.S. for same color eyes, hair, etc..

Then I came across Nyleen Kay Marshall who was abducted in 1983. The eye color doesn't match but in my opinion the shape of her face and the possible protruding front teeth (a video of Nyleen's disappearance aired on Unsolved Mysteries shows Nyleen's mother speaking of her child--to me it looked as if she has protruding front teeth--possibly passing that trait onto her child.) the wavy brown hair and the cute button nose.

youtube.com/watch?v=zA7U6HVuXgU - 81k (Unsolved Mysteries segment)

The most identyfying factor to me was a man who called and wrote several letters to missing children agencies stating he had Nyleen. The letters/postcards were postmarked from the Madison, WI area. The shirt Jane Doe was found wearing was distrubuted in 1984 possibly purchased by the abductor and why Jane Doe was wearing the shirt.

I realize the shape of Jane Doe's face and chin compared to the shape of Nyleen's is a little off, but with Jane Doe being malnourished I am assuming could change the structure of Jane Doe's face. Also, Nyleen being only 5 when abducted, she had that chubby child-like face that so many young children have but outgrow as pre-teenagers.

This entire scenario has reminded of the true crime story "American Crime" about a girl living with a childhood friend's family in the 1960's who was abused and tortured and ultimately murdered by the hand's of her friend's mother and other family members.

So possibly our Jane Doe could be Nyleen. Maybe once she became older, a little wiser she started to recollect her childhood memories and questioning those memories, maybe she became too much to handle. The abductor may have been abusing her all of these years or maybe just shortly before the time of her death.

Maybe she was a runaway (repeatedly running away) and the parents have just given up and maybe she has just been lost in the system. Or maybe a prostitute or a drug addict and no one realizes she is gone or had not reported it. Maybe she's not even from this country--which is much harder to try and locate online especially in regions of Russia (Ukraine) where children and women are bought and sold just to be slaves to their owners in America.

Then again, Jane Doe could have been abused by her parents or husband/boyfriend. Maybe the abuser said she left him or ran away. With that in mind, people that knew her would never question Jane Doe's whereabouts.

I have wracked my brain trying to find the identity of this poor girl. I am so frustrated that she can't be identified. Someone knew her!! I know this is just one case out of thousands (understatement) but I just can't understand how someone just disappears without any trace.

I was never associated with the detectives or police of this crime, but I can't help but to care and wonder what happened to her and who could be so cold to inflict such violence on another human being.

I am a mother of three and I could never imagine being in the shoes of parents with missing children. I don't know how I could live on. But I would hope that someone whether it be law enforcement or just an everyday person wanting answers would do everything in their power to help locate my child.

So anyways, I am just wondering if anyone out there has followed either one of these cases and if anyone else has the same ponders as I do with the comparison of Jane Doe and Nyleen.

Ever thought about consulting a psychic?

assaf1981
07-12-2008, 06:58 PM
I just submitted a possble match to doreen vincent email to the the investigating offficer.

IWABWU
08-20-2008, 11:40 PM
I've often wondered if the Racine County Jane Doe was ever in the foster care system. She may have been out for several years. Do they send unidentified pictures to foster care/state agencies? School systems?

The older unidentified people may be a stretch, but the younger ones may find resolution.

IWABWU
08-21-2008, 12:40 AM
I've made this video for her.

http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=FOyj9ZcbEcM&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/FOyj9ZcbEcM/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskLVYuvD5HibL0QpFS_J2WXp&&rel=1&border=0

There are two things that come to mind -

1. Is it possible that she was in the foster care system? Was her photo sent to special education organizations?

2. This case is almost ten years old. Was a DNA sample taken of any sperm that may have been found? Perhaps this could be compared to existing DNA samples on file?

Ten years ago, there may not have been much of a DNA data base to compare a sperm sample to. I wonder if anything like this was done.

The Green Hornet
08-21-2008, 10:42 AM
Doe anyone else get a creepy feeling when they see this Jane Doe?

I get almost physically ill when I see the actual picture of this Jane Doe. Then, when I reflect on the circumstances surrounding her death, I get angry and disgusted to think that a human being is mentally capable of doing such horrific things to another person.

It all makes me ill..

Rudolf
08-21-2008, 06:05 PM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=3216
http://nampn.org/cases/schmidt_lisa.html

Look at this woman. She looks very similar, especially the chin, the buck teeth, and the eyes. She's also 5'8".
She disappeared in 1994, from New Jersey.

I agree, there is something very haunting about the post mortem photoshttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=391&pictureid=3215
Lisa Schmidt, Harrison, New Jersey

grievousangel
08-21-2008, 06:29 PM
I can't imagine how a young girl of Angela's age came to be in the U.S. but the resemblance between her and the unidentified young woman is remarkable. DNA could settle it quickly if her family in Italy would consent to giving a sample.

Rudolf
08-27-2008, 11:20 AM
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=3216
http://nampn.org/cases/schmidt_lisa.html

Look at this woman. She looks very similar, especially the chin, the buck teeth, and the eyes. She's also 5'8".
She disappeared in 1994, from New Jersey.

I agree, there is something very haunting about the post mortem photoshttp://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=391&pictureid=3215
Lisa Schmidt, Harrison, New Jersey

Its NOT Lisa. Dental records have ruled her out.

kandoo76
09-12-2008, 11:06 AM
It is probably not but what about this one? She would have been estimated age in 1999.

510dfqc doenetwork

Rudolf
09-12-2008, 11:51 AM
It is probably not but what about this one? She would have been estimated age in 1999.

510dfqc doenetwork

Too short, I think. I talked with the detective, Det. Knaus, and he said he felt she wasn't in any of the national data bases.He felt that she might have had a connection to the midwest, like Indiana maybe. He also thought that she might be in a local data base, like one from some department, but not something like the Doe, at least right now. Apparently they (Racine) have a very thick file on her, and they keep her presence alive among other police departments. I was truly impressed with them. I thought I had a match with Lisa Schmidt but they'd already looked at her and ruled her out.
A friend feels she was a runaway who drifted to Texas and was taken from there. Maybe because of the Western outfit.

BlueSpirit
09-15-2008, 09:35 PM
Angela is an amazing match, except for her eyes seem a little smaller, rounder; but in these photograghs, i wouldn't use that to write off the connection. I thought she was the victim of a Robert Ben Rhoades -type serial killer --the truck driver with the torture chamber in the back of his semi who often picked up transient woman at truck stops. In fact the one he was caught with in mid-torture was mentally ill. However, "imported" wives and domestic help are often tortured. When I saw her I wondered about that, but for some reason, I felt like it was a truck driver serial killer who kept her captive. Another thought I had is that she might have been a kidnapped child, held captive a helluva lot longer than 4-5 weeks. She haunts me. It breaks my heart.

CrimeSolver
09-15-2008, 09:55 PM
I remember a segment on Cold Case Files in which a Chicago pimp (I think it was Chicago, but it may have been Milwaukee) tortured and killed one of "his girls" before dumping her body near a lake in rural Wisconsin. I wonder if that angle has been explored in this case.

Rudolf
09-23-2008, 04:41 PM
The reason she looks a little *haunting* is that the small lights in her eyes have been put in wrong. If you look you will see what I mean. It gives her a striking * this is different, but I don't know why* quality.

Lucy's mom
10-31-2008, 05:38 PM
I just submitted a possble match to doreen vincent email to the the investigating offficer.


Bumping up for Racine Jane Doe.

assaf1981,

Have you heard back from the investigating officer regarding the DNA between RJD and Doreen Vincent?

Undermyskin
11-29-2008, 05:41 PM
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_aundria.html


Aundria had always seemed the most likely match to me. IIRC, she disappeared from Holland, Michigan, which is almost a straight shot across the lake from Racine. There's something about the front teeth. Her height, weight, and facial structure would have changed a bit in the 10 years since she went missing. Of course this may have already been discussed at length and ruled out. The n00b knows not.

Lori Ann Krueger's resemblance to the posmortem really blows my mind even though the facts seem to rule her out.

Fairy1
11-29-2008, 10:56 PM
Aundria has been called in as a possible match on another UID here:


http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74014

future criminologist
02-11-2009, 03:16 PM
bumping this one up...

does anyone have updates?

Rudolf
03-14-2009, 11:42 AM
This might be a match. Its on Doe as 1606DFOH. The height and coloring, teeth, age are right.
http://websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=6655
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1606dfoh.html

BethInAK
03-17-2009, 02:15 AM
This might be a match. Its on Doe as 1606DFOH. The height and coloring, teeth, age are right.
http://websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=6655
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1606dfoh.html

I like this one a great deal based on looks.

Rudolf
03-17-2009, 10:41 AM
Side by side

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=3216 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=6656
The face shape is perfect, especially the chin. The eyebrows seem wrong, but she was also squinting, so I don't know how to judge that. JD had been beaten so I think her nose would've been swollen. The height and the teeth are right. JD's eyes are Photoshopped.
JD: http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster274.htm
Susan Cummings: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1606dfoh.html
More on JD: http://meyahna.tripod.com/pg21.html

Roselvr
03-17-2009, 05:30 PM
Hello everyone. Sorry that I haven't posted or replied in quite some time. I have been very busy, mostly searching for an identity for Racine County Jane Doe, creating a myspace page for her, here's the address if you would like to take a look, let me know what you think (http://www.myspace.com/racinecountyjanedoe)

I give you a lot of credit for taking on a myspace page for her.
I watched a little more then 1/2 of the video (in your 1st post) and couldn't watch any more.
So sad.



May I make a suggestion about the myspace page without offending?
You are better off using a lighter background, one that is not neon. Also go back to black text. If her parents are looking for her, they are going to have a hard time reading it because of the page colors and graphics (fairy). What I used to do was one of my photo programs had a slider to make it like it was behind glass, it lightened the image up, much easier on the eyes.

I'm 43, I can't read the text without highlighting it.

I have a great tool called color grabber that will allow you to grab the color code for any page that you see. If you'd like a copy let me know I'll find my link. I used it a lot when doing web pages.

Rudolf
03-17-2009, 06:13 PM
I give you a lot of credit for taking on a myspace page for her.
I watched a little more then 1/2 of the video (in your 1st post) and couldn't watch any more.
So sad.



May I make a suggestion about the myspace page without offending?
You are better off using a lighter background, one that is not neon. Also go back to black text. If her parents are looking for her, they are going to have a hard time reading it because of the page colors and graphics (fairy). What I used to do was one of my photo programs had a slider to make it like it was behind glass, it lightened the image up, much easier on the eyes.

I'm 43, I can't read the text without highlighting it.

I have a great tool called color grabber that will allow you to grab the color code for any page that you see. If you'd like a copy let me know I'll find my link. I used it a lot when doing web pages.

Hi, I only posted the link, its not my page. I haven't watched the video in a while, but as I remember, its very good. This Jane Doe is someone I would like to see matched up with a name. She suffered a terrible death, something that no one should have to endure, and she needs to have closure.

Roselvr
03-17-2009, 06:44 PM
Hi, I only posted the link, its not my page. I haven't watched the video in a while, but as I remember, its very good. This Jane Doe is someone I would like to see matched up with a name. She suffered a terrible death, something that no one should have to endure, and she needs to have closure.

If you look at what I quoted, buttercup said she made the page.

I agree, this girl needs a name and to be with her family.

cheko1
03-18-2009, 12:12 PM
Rudolph,
this is the closest match I've seen to this JD yet.
She could very well be her......nose / cheeks / face shape / size.



Side by side

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=3216 http://www.websleuths.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=392&pictureid=6656
The face shape is perfect, especially the chin. The eyebrows seem wrong, but she was also squinting, so I don't know how to judge that. JD had been beaten so I think her nose would've been swollen. The height and the teeth are right. JD's eyes are Photoshopped.
JD: http://www.find-missing-children.org/Posters/poster274.htm
Susan Cummings: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1606dfoh.html
More on JD: http://meyahna.tripod.com/pg21.html

Roselvr
03-18-2009, 04:28 PM
It would be nice to know if Jane Doe was white or not. She looks like she could be mixed.

It sickens me seeing the bruises. How could someone do this?

I wish I could find more photos of Susan Marie Cummings.
I'd love to know how current the photo of her was. Her hair is longer then JD but it doesn't mean much.

The noses appear somewhat different to me but she was beaten and the picture of Susan Marie Cummings is hard to see since the photo is so small.

Susan Marie Cummings looks whiter then JD, they said she has a medium complexion.

This is what i have, going to post it so that when I have more time I have this..

Age - 13 to 23
5'8"
120lbs -= wonder how right the weight is? She was starved.
Brown with blond highlights
double pierced ears
protruding teeth - missing & decaying

lower set ears
small cranial cavity - guess this is why they thought she might be mentally challenged?

Rudolf
03-18-2009, 05:09 PM
Rudolph,
this is the closest match I've seen to this JD yet.
She could very well be her......nose / cheeks / face shape / size.

Some one else told me the same thing ,I guess I'll submit. The cheek bone structure on each person is very similar.

cheko1
03-18-2009, 05:13 PM
Some one else told me the same thing ,I guess I'll submit.

Yes I definately would submit it & good luck!
Let us know what you find out!!!!

Roselvr
03-18-2009, 05:22 PM
Some one else told me the same thing ,I guess I'll submit. The cheek bone structure on each person is very similar.

What do you think about the scar on Susan verses none on JD?
It says her body had no markings

Rudolf
03-18-2009, 05:22 PM
I will.

Rudolf
03-18-2009, 05:30 PM
What do you think about the scar on Susan verses none on JD?
It says her body had no markings

I thought of that too, I was wondering how accurate the description of Susan was. It sounds like she has very little family, and there isn't a mention of DNA or prints. A scar could mean open heart surgery, or removal of a wart. JD was pretty much battered, if the scar was small it could've been eradicated. Also I think JD was a drifter, which would match up with Susan's profile. Is there any way to find out who submitted the profile of Susan and when it was submitted?

Fairy1
03-18-2009, 11:34 PM
IMO, there's just not enough information on Susan for us to make a true comparison. My feeling is that she is a bit too old to be JD, but who knows? I think it's worth a try. The Racine detectives are determined to ID this poor JD. I feel they would welcome any suggestions.

This case just tears my heart apart. JD suffered greatly at the hands of her killer and was just tossed out like garbage. She deserves to be identified and her killer must be brought to justice. My fear all along has been that it was someone in her own family that tortured and murdered her. If that's the case, she has never been reported missing. :furious:

Roselvr
03-19-2009, 09:45 AM
I just spent all morning trying to catch up on this one. I was not going to but couldn't get her out of my mind.

It would be helpful to have all of the posts merged. What do you guys think?

Jane Doe's poster (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=400013&orgPrefix=NCMU&searchLang=en_US)

Here are the other threads for this case. Hopefully with the information you have we can solve this case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408&highlight=Racine+Wisconsin)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64188

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34874

Please also remember that sometimes the information in the cases you have looked at may be incorrect. It's not because they don't know, but details could be generalizations (height and weight are good examples) for either a missing person or a JD. Do you have some besides Nyleen that you have considered the closest? I agree it looks very similar.

Out of the girls suggested in this post, these are the ones that stick out to me.. do we know if they've been looked at?

Rachel Marie Mellon Skemp (http://www.rachelfind.com/Rachel1.htm) - she is of mixed heritage. Missing since 1/31/96
My notes - google search on her (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=Rachel+Marie+Mellon+Skemp&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images) - to come back to

Marjorie Luna (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/304dffl.htmll) - she has a strawberry birthmark on her back - I also have one, I'd think bruising could cover that.

Missing since May 27, 1984 from Greenacres City, Palm Beach County, Florida.
* Date Of Birth: April 7, 1976
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 8 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 4'0; 60 pounds
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; hazel eyes. She has a fair complexion.
* Medical Conditions: Luna has a slight speech impediment. She also has difficulty hearing.
* Marks, Scars: She has a scar on her right arm. Strawberry birthmark on right side of back or right shoulder.
* AKA: Nickname Christy
* Clothing: A turquoise bodysuit, barefoot
* Dentals: Not available. Luna's teeth are crooked.

Melissa Lynn Eck (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/608dffl.html)
# Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: November 8, 1976
# Age at Time of Disappearance: 15 years old
# Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'6" - 168 cm; 110 lbs - 50 kg.
# Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Curly dark blond/brown hair; green eyes.
# Marks, Scars: She has pierced ears, one pierced once and the other one twice. Norplant on upper left arm. She has a scar on her buttocks.

Aundria Michelle Bowman (http://www.michigandoes.com/MP/AundriaBowman.htmll) - out of the Caucasian girls, I like her the best doe link (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/184dfmi.html)
# Vital Statistics Date Of Birth: June 23, 1974
# Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
# Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5; 115 pounds
# Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; green eyes. She may have bleached her hair blonde.
# Marks, Scars: She has peirced ears.

Sarah Lee Murray (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1905dfva.html)
Vital Statistics

* Date Of Birth: July 29, 1982
* Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
* Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7" (170 cm); 139 lbs (63 kg).
* Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Sandy hair; hazel eyes.
* Dentals: She has an extra tooth growing from the roof of her mouth



Someone suggested her in one of the other posts
MISTY DAWN ORTEGA (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=812788&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=2&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US)
DOB: Sep 21, 1979
Missing Date: Aug 8, 1995
Height: 5'9" (175 cm) - wonder how right the height is
Weight: 140 lbs (64 kg)
Hair Color: Brown
Eye Color: Hazel

There was mention of another case in Lake County Ill., this is the article of the identity of that Jane Doe Authorities ID Woman Found Dead In 1999 (http://cbs2chicago.com/local/Jane.Doe.Mary.2.324806.html) - Mary Kate Sunderlin


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blog link again (http://canyouidentifyme.blogspot.com/2007/10/crystal-rae-1999-unidentified-racine.html)
WI missing (http://wimissingpersons.doj.wi.gov/missingkids/unidentified/index.asp) - had to google to find this as the links given in some of the other posts are gone.

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Things I pulled from reading:
lots of new info here - Websleuths link (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2034812#post2034812) - lots of articles posted, scroll up and down to read them.


Raymond Jane Doe, 14-35, located July 21, 1999, Raymond, WI

NCMEC #: NCMU400013
NCIC Number: U-520000267

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/199ufwi.html

Unidentified White Female
Located at 6:15 a.m. July 21, 1999 in a cornfield on 92nd Street in the Town of Raymond, Wisconsin.
Cause of death was multiple injuries. Manner of death is homicide.
Estimated Date of Death: Hours prior to discovery

Vital Statistics

Age - 13 to 23
5'8"
120lbs -= wonder how right the weight is? She was starved.
Brown with blond highlights
double pierced ears
TEETH - protruding teeth - missing & decaying - Dentals: Available. She had fairly poor dentition, and had protruding front teeth. Several teeth were missing or decayed. Her teeth showed signs of long term neglect.

lower set ears
small cranial cavity - guess this is why they thought she might be mentally challenged?

Roselvr
03-19-2009, 10:58 AM
Here's another that I don't know if she was looked at:
Angela Ponte (http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1478dfita.html)
Missing since January 2, 1993 from Francofonte, Siracusa

Fairy1
03-19-2009, 11:59 AM
I've always felt there were many physical similiarites with Doreen Vincent:


http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vincent_doreen.html

Roselvr
03-19-2009, 01:33 PM
So, has anyone matched the DNA of the Jane Doe woman from Racine with Nylene Kay Marshall's mother in Montana?

What interested me were the letters from Madison, WI. You would think the detectives would have released the letters to the public and put them in the newspapers. That's how the Unabomber was caught, his brother recognized the handwriting and the subject matter after the Unabomber's ramblings were published.

It looks like her mother passed away. I just updated Nyleens post (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3479022#post3479022) after doing a google on the name from reading your post.

Roselvr
03-19-2009, 06:24 PM
Has anyone here made contact with LE?

Roselvr
03-19-2009, 06:24 PM
Has anyone here made contact with LE?

Roselvr
03-19-2009, 06:37 PM
Has anyone here made contact with LE?

Fairy1
03-19-2009, 10:29 PM
Mods - can we please have Racine Jane Doe's threads merged? Pretty please???

Rudolf
03-20-2009, 08:38 AM
I submitted Susan Cummings to LE

Roselvr
03-20-2009, 10:09 AM
I submitted Susan Cummings to LE

Have you spoken to the LE?
I'm trying to get this girls DNA considered to be added to the system but I don't want a ton of us contacting one person which is why I'm asking if someone already has a relationship with them.

buttercup72
03-20-2009, 10:21 AM
Hello everyone. Wow, it's been awhile and I can't believe all the posts. I am getting married in 3 months and have been so busy. I just haven't had a chance to reply to any. First, comment to Roselvr on the myspace page, that is a good idea on changing the background and coloring of the text. I will change that soon, thanks :) Second, I agree on merging all of Jane Doe's bulletins. Lastly, all of the posted missing persons are all very high possiblities. I have went thorugh every single missing persons case file listed on Doenetwork several times, I believe. Not just trying to match this specific Jane Doe, but others as well. I didn't even have to click the links posted for Jane Doe as possible matches, in most cases I knew what they looked like by name. I had found one missing girl out of Louisanna a few months back and submitted it to Doenetwork, apparently LE has already looked into her case. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1286dfla.html. She pretty much fits the description to a T. And I still wonder if she has or hasn't been ruled out. There isn't much info on Alicia.

Rudolf
03-20-2009, 11:00 AM
Have you spoken to the LE?
I'm trying to get this girls DNA considered to be added to the system but I don't want a ton of us contacting one person which is why I'm asking if someone already has a relationship with them.

If you mean Racine Jane Doe, she is already in.

Roselvr
03-20-2009, 12:35 PM
If you mean Racine Jane Doe, she is already in.

She is in CODIS?

Hello everyone. Wow, it's been awhile and I can't believe all the posts. I am getting married in 3 months and have been so busy. I just haven't had a chance to reply to any.

Congrats!

First, comment to Roselvr on the myspace page, that is a good idea on changing the background and coloring of the text. I will change that soon, thanks :)

Thanks. I didn't want to offend but know that when I did a web site, I eventually had one person that was honest with me. I then took their suggestion to keep it simple and after I did, people were telling me how much better it looked. I guess no one wanted to hurt my feelings and that it was better then what they could do so they kept quiet. I'm thankful the one friend decided to speak up.

Second, I agree on merging all of Jane Doe's bulletins.

Since I'm in contact with Christine who mods this section, I will PM her.

Lastly, all of the posted missing persons are all very high possiblities. I have went thorugh every single missing persons case file listed on Doenetwork several times, I believe. Not just trying to match this specific Jane Doe, but others as well. I didn't even have to click the links posted for Jane Doe as possible matches, in most cases I knew what they looked like by name. I had found one missing girl out of Louisanna a few months back and submitted it to Doenetwork, apparently LE has already looked into her case. http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1286dfla.html. She pretty much fits the description to a T. And I still wonder if she has or hasn't been ruled out. There isn't much info on Alicia.

Maybe contact the LE in Louisiana?

Brains & NoBull
03-20-2009, 08:16 PM
I believe there are enough similarities between this young girl and Angela to alert authorities. The resemblance is uncanny. Please keep us updated on LE's communication regarding this submittal.

I pray that this girl is identified and that her killer's are caught. She deserves her name and justice.

Rudolf
06-13-2009, 09:38 PM
Bumping... this is the tenth anniversary of her death.

Pete1977
06-22-2009, 05:40 PM
This is my first post. I had some trouble joining. Thanks chico.

I was looking on doenetwork and found this girl's picture. She is missing from Greece since 1995.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/1116dfgrc.html

I have read what little there is to read about Racine Jane Doe on the internet. I see several similarities. The brown hair, protruding front teeth, the mention that she was possibly mentally handicapped or developmentally disabled, the height is off by a few inches, the eyes of Jane Doe are given as hazel and Mirela's are brown.

I know it is a long shot being that Mirela is from Greece and disappeared there but when I saw her picture i kept coming back to it.

Fairy1
06-22-2009, 10:00 PM
This is my first post. I had some trouble joining. Thanks chico.

I was looking on doenetwork and found this girl's picture. She is missing from Greece since 1995.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/1116dfgrc.html

I have read what little there is to read about Racine Jane Doe on the internet. I see several similarities. The brown hair, protruding front teeth, the mention that she was possibly mentally handicapped or developmentally disabled, the height is off by a few inches, the eyes of Jane Doe are given as hazel and Mirela's are brown.

I know it is a long shot being that Mirela is from Greece and disappeared there but when I saw her picture i kept coming back to it.

:Welcome-12-june: Pete!!!


There are some similarities. But the logistics just make it seem unlikely, IMOHO.

Rudolf
07-05-2009, 03:21 PM
Ten years ago July 21, 1999 this Jane Doe was found in the Town of Raymond Wisconsin. This is in Southeastern Wisconsin, near Milwaukee. The county is Racine county. No one has ever been brought to justice, and who ever did this terrible thing to this poor young woman is still unpunished. She needs to have a name and she needs to have justice. She does not seem to be in any of the national data bases, but may be in a state/local registry somewhere. She is most likely not from the area, but a drifter. IF it is possible to comb the smaller data bases then that option should be used. She must have family or friends somewhere, someone must have wondered about where she is.

Rudolf
07-18-2009, 06:27 PM
Bumping

Rudolf
07-18-2009, 06:28 PM
July 21st is the tenth anniversary off her death/

Bumping....

txsvicki
07-19-2009, 06:02 AM
I might ought to stay off cold cases late at night due to getting upset, but this poor girl doesn't look very old at all to me. Not much over eighteen. She looks like she had some formerly plucked eyebrows growing in at a little different length than the rest, and her hair looks dark enough to not have any natural highlights without help. There didn't appear to be any acne or skin problems either. This girl must have been taking good care of her grooming before the month before death. Double pierced ears and all. There has to be other females that knew her and she could be from anywhere since she was found in some old geezer western shirt and men's sweatpants. If she was held for up to a month and tortured, then whoever did it might have also cut her hair short. It's not very long. She must not be too cognitively disabled or she might have had medical coverage, a case worker, and enough health care. No one is going to double pierce their ears and get hilights but go around with really painful teeth. Not even the mentally disabled. Even an abusive family member might have had her on a check, so this girl must have been out and on her own working at some capacity.

Rudolf
07-20-2009, 02:30 PM
Tomorrow is the ten year anniversary of her death. We need to send her prayers, because she has only strangers for her family.

Rudolf
07-21-2009, 03:59 PM
bumping

Rudolf
07-21-2009, 04:03 PM
Tomorrow is the ten year anniversary of her death. We need to send her prayers, because she has only strangers for her family.

bumping

Babyslims
07-21-2009, 05:20 PM
:grouphug: I'm not good with words but I'm keeping her in my prayers! Hopefully she'll have her name back soon!

txsvicki
07-23-2009, 05:28 AM
If samples were saved of this girl, then I don't understand why they can't do dna testing to see if she was from the Ukraine or solely from that area of the world. Someone has to be missing who was never heard from again in some part of the world, or someone in the U.S.

Salem
07-27-2009, 10:35 AM
There has been postings of Aundria Bowman as a possible but it does not appear she has been submitted yet. I will submit her this morning.

Salem

Spurser
09-04-2009, 10:37 PM
Anyone still searching on this case? Updates? I just discovered this thread. Sooooo sad. Sickening.

Fairy1
09-04-2009, 10:45 PM
Anyone still searching on this case? Updates? I just discovered this thread. Sooooo sad. Sickening.

Welcome Spurser! I have looked everywhere I can think of to find a match - with no success. I welcome a fresh perspective! This girl suffered so horribly and I sure would love to find some answers.

IIRC, Aundria Bowman was a possible match to another UID. Not sure what happened in either case, but I will check....

Here is Aundria's Charley Project page:

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_aundria.html

Fairy1
09-04-2009, 10:56 PM
Here is the case in which Audrina was ruled out - I was so sure!!!

CA-I believe we have a match! What do you think? - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

I'm off to see if Audrina has been compared to our Racine JD!

Spurser
09-06-2009, 10:19 PM
Yea, she did look alot like Racine JD. I've thought about this to the point of being sick to my stomach. I have some ideas. I wonder if LE checked around area special education centers. It wasn't that long ago. I bet someone would remember if she were ever on their caseload. Plus, they keep those records for a long time. It's possible she was a special ed student in grade school, given that they said she could have been cognitively impaired.

Another place I would have checked was with family services, in particular child protective services. She may have "aged out" of the system by the time she was killed, but I bet she was an abused child. THere may be a record of her.

Someone had mentioned a while back that this was like the movie An American Crime. I agree. It sounds so much like the case of Sylvia Likens. They made another, more disturbing movie about her case called The Girl Next Door. Very disturbing story.

Another thought is that this poor girl could be like one of those daughters of Jaycee Dugard. Meaning, there is no record that she ever existed. She may have been born through incest or under that type of circumstance. And the sick freak that killed knew that noone would ever know who she was.

Any thoughts?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/young/likens/1.html

Rudolf
09-11-2009, 01:51 PM
Her teeth were very bad, I am guessing she was on meth. She doesn't seem to have anyone stepping forward to report her missing, so I am guessing she drifted into the area, maybe alone, maybe with a group. If she was an addict, no one would be so concerned about her whereabouts, for no other reason that her peers were probably addicts too. Someone lured her away from whatever safety she had and killed her.

Spurser
09-11-2009, 05:49 PM
Her teeth were very bad, I am guessing she was on meth. She doesn't seem to have anyone stepping forward to report her missing, so I am guessing she drifted into the area, maybe alone, maybe with a group. If she was an addict, no one would be so concerned about her whereabouts, for no other reason that her peers were probably addicts too. Someone lured her away from whatever safety she had and killed her.

If she was hooked on meth, you know that her torchurer(s)/killer(s) didn't give her anything for withdrawals during the time they were doing all that stuff to her. As if her situation could get any worse.....I wonder if they tested for drugs in her system.

Lady Stardust
11-13-2009, 08:49 AM
I submitted Susan Cummings to LE

Did you ever hear back from LE? I think, Susan Cummings is a potential match.

Roselvr
11-13-2009, 10:49 AM
Her teeth were very bad, I am guessing she was on meth. She doesn't seem to have anyone stepping forward to report her missing, so I am guessing she drifted into the area, maybe alone, maybe with a group. If she was an addict, no one would be so concerned about her whereabouts, for no other reason that her peers were probably addicts too. Someone lured her away from whatever safety she had and killed her.

Teeth - IMO can be due to anything.
My teeth are horrible, have always been horrible.

Lil'E
11-13-2009, 09:24 PM
If the Racine Jane Doe is not Genevieve Munoz I will eat my hat. Her stats match the Doe perfectly as well as the time frame. My husband even thinks she is the same person. I wanted to get your thoughts before I make a call.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/2534dfms.html



Genevieve Munoz
Missing since June 11, 1994 from Biloxi, Mississippi
Classification: Endangered Missing





Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: May 16, 1976
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7"; 115-120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; hazel eyes.
Clothing: Cutoff blue jeans and a shirt with horse designs on the front.
AKA: Nicole
Dentals: Available

Aphra
11-14-2009, 01:15 AM
I agree with you! Call it in. What gets me is the description of the clothing--JD had a "country/western" type shirt on, and GM was wearing something with a horse design (which screams country/western to me).

Cymro
11-14-2009, 03:41 AM
I definitely see a strong resemblance and the demographics are a great match. The clothing is also striking. I find it hard to visualize Nicole with short hair (which is not to say her captors couldn't have cut it).

Time frame is not bad, except that maybe the torture didn't start right away. If she were tortured for 2 - 4 weeks as stated, Nicole would have had to be kept for approximately two weeks before the injuries and wounds started, given the fresh state of the Doe's body (or the description is wrong). It's a stretch but still possible.

Nicole's teeth aren't visibly bad - and we know her parents had health insurance (which means she would have been covered, at least until turning 18) - so the poor dentition counts against Nicole being this Doe until we get records.

Nicole's boyfriend, Michael Lamb, was convicted of manslaughter and admitted killing Nicole, either in self-defense ("she went at him with a knife, and he stabbed her") or by accident ("he accidentally shot her in the chest.") Either way, he claims he and his (since deceased) mother disposed of her body in a dumpster at a ball park. Sure, he has good reason not to say "I faked her disappearance, tortured her for six weeks then drove 1,000 miles to dump her body" but well... seems like a lot for an 18-year-old and his Mommy to do.

Lil'E
11-14-2009, 05:10 AM
Nicole's boyfriend, Michael Lamb, was convicted of manslaughter and admitted killing Nicole, either in self-defense ("she went at him with a knife, and he stabbed her") or by accident ("he accidentally shot her in the chest.") Either way, he claims he and his (since deceased) mother disposed of her body in a dumpster at a ball park. Sure, he has good reason not to say "I faked her disappearance, tortured her for six weeks then drove 1,000 miles to dump her body" but well... seems like a lot for an 18-year-old and his Mommy to do.

Well then, I should start eating my hat if her boyfriend claims to have killed her. However I have a problem with him saying he "stabbed" and then turns around and claims he "shot" her?? :waitasec: I am wondering if he was of sound mind when he made these claims?

Cymro, where did you find the information about the boyfriend? It wasn't listed on the link I posted. Unfortunatley that was the only link I looked at in regards to Genevieve.

Thanks for the additional info!

Cymro
11-14-2009, 07:26 AM
Sorry Lil'E - should have posted the links.

Charley Project (http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/munoz_genevieve.html)

Local news story (http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=9109043)

I guess he's of sound mind but it could still be her. Maybe he figured that he was better off minimizing his role in her death, or even that he's innocent and figured that he liked 10-15 for manslaughter a lot better than a capital trial.

Roselvr
11-14-2009, 10:43 AM
Someone slap me in the head and tell me what I'm missing with these 2 girls?

Racine Jane Doe - Racine County, Wisconsin on 7/21/99
Genevieve Munoz - Missing since June 11, 1994 from Biloxi, Mississippi

I just google mapped - it is 1,053 mi – about 16 hours 23 mins

Now, we have a 5 year time difference.

Cymro
11-14-2009, 02:17 PM
D-oh... you are right of course. I read it as them both being 1994 cases, which they aren't. :blushing:

Lil'E
11-14-2009, 05:50 PM
Genevieve Nicole Munoz' car was found at the Gulfport-Biloxi Regional Airport.
She had $600.00 dollars she was saving so her parents could adopt her son.
Michael David Lamb had recently lived in Illinois.
Lamb's tale of events is inconsistent as to the death of Ms. Munoz.
His mother (the only alleged witness to the murder) is deceased.
Her body was never found.

In light of these fact as provided by the links that Cymro posted, it could be possible that Ms. Munoz took her money and hopped a flight to Northern Illinois or Wisconsin to start a new life without Lamb, knowing her child would be safe with her parents. Depending on where Lamb lived in Illinois, he could have located her and disposed of her in Racine with out much of a drive.

Of course it's quite possible the Racine Doe and Munoz are not related in any way. I just thought her physical stats, clothing type, as well as her nose match with the Racine Doe and was worth contacting authorities just to rule it out since no remains of Munoz have never been found.

I am new at this so please pardon my enthusiasm.:blushing:

Lil'E
11-15-2009, 05:48 PM
I have made contact with both the Racine Sheriffs Dept and Biloxi Sheriffs Dept, in regard to a possible match between the Racine Jane Doe and Genevieve Munoz. I will let you know if I hear anything back from them.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/2534dfms.html

Genevieve Munoz
Missing since June 11, 1994 from Biloxi, Mississippi
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: May 16, 1976
Age at Time of Disappearance: 18 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7"; 115-120 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Light brown hair; hazel eyes.
Clothing: Cutoff blue jeans and a shirt with horse designs on the front.
AKA: Nicole
Dentals: Available

Danaya
11-15-2009, 07:38 PM
Although they look strikingly similar, I don't think it's a match. I applaud you and could very well be wrong but don't think you'd mind me giving my opinion. :)

Reason being, I feel that the missing young woman was probably murdered shortly after she went missing. Her family didn't feel she was a runaway and this Jane Doe was found five or so years after Genevieve was last seen. The UID also had long term dental neglect and I guess if Genevieve was held captive that could be fitting but her teeth looked pretty good at the time of her dissapearance. Also, the UID was possibly cognitively disabled and there's no mention of Genevieve having those problems.

Either way, thanks for all your work and hope to hear an outcome soon!

Danaya
11-15-2009, 07:43 PM
Also, posters have said the Racine UID was tortured and disfigured. Doe network page for her doesn't say anything except where she was found, where are you getting the information? Thanks!

zinc
11-15-2009, 09:29 PM
This case has always disturbed me like very few others. A uniquely sinister stench hangs around it. I hope that one day justice is done for this young woman.

Rudolf
12-04-2009, 10:52 PM
Did you ever hear back from LE? I think, Susan Cummings is a potential match.

Yes, I did hear some time ago about another match. His advice was to look in local data bases around the Midwest, he didn't feel she was in a national base.
They have done a lot of searching for this girl, but haven't found her. They have made sure that all LE agencies know about her.

Spurser
01-05-2010, 08:08 PM
Is there a rule out list on this UID? It sure would help to have one. I looked on Namus and they don't have hardly any info on her and her eyes are listed as brown. I thought they were green/hazel.

I bet some pimp did this to her. I have been seeing alot of this lately on tv. They do this to teach the others a lesson.

I really think this girl looks just like the Jane Doe. Ears, eyes, nose, mouth, even a slight assymetry in the eyes. Her drug use could have led her into prostitution which would make circumstances and timing work. She could have grown a few inches in the time that she was missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bergeron_lurline.html

Slammed
01-05-2010, 08:32 PM
Is there a rule out list on this UID? It sure would help to have one. I looked on Namus and they don't have hardly any info on her and her eyes are listed as brown. I thought they were green/hazel.

I bet some pimp did this to her. I have been seeing alot of this lately on tv. They do this to teach the others a lesson.

I really think this girl looks just like the Jane Doe. Ears, eyes, nose, mouth, even a slight assymetry in the eyes. Her drug use could have led her into prostitution which would make circumstances and timing work. She could have grown a few inches in the time that she was missing.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bergeron_lurline.html

That actually seems like the closest visual match i have seen, and the statistics could work

Roselvr
01-06-2010, 09:24 AM
We need to get the various posts merged..

Here are the other threads for this case. Hopefully with the information you have we can solve this case.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408&highlight=Racine+Wisconsin)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64188

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34874

Please also remember that sometimes the information in the cases you have looked at may be incorrect. It's not because they don't know, but details could be generalizations (height and weight are good examples) for either a missing person or a JD. Do you have some besides Nyleen that you have considered the closest? I agree it looks very similar.

CarlK90245
02-21-2010, 11:22 AM
Last night, I was combing through the Charley archive for possibles to Crystal Rae (Racine JD), and I came across Aundria Michelle Bowman.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bowman_aundria.html

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2180513900045078242S500x500Q851.jpg[/URL]


I went through this thread and found that she was already discussed as a possible for Crystal Rae. Salem indicated that she was going to call it in, but Salem made no mention of her after that.

This looks like a very strong possible to me. There was a 10-year difference between DLC and Crystal Rae's death, but Aundria was a run-away at 14 years old, and circumstances are entirely consistent with someone being a street girl for 10 years. CR appears based on her dental condition to have been on the street for a significant amount of time.

Now here's the kicker - Looking at CR's postmortem, it appears that her open eyes were photo-shopped into the postmortem photo.

This is probably just the photoshopper's estimate of what her eyes looked like.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Postmortem%20Photos/2452075920045078242S425x425Q851.jpg


So, I decided to do a little photoshopping of my own. I replaced her eyes with Aundria's eyes, and replaced her hair with Aundria's hair and put Aundria's shirt on her and cleaned up the background. Nothing else. I didn't touch any other portions of her face.

What did I end up with? - With only Aundria's hair and eyes, Crystal Rae becomes --- Aundria Bowman.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2626523800045078242S425x425Q851.jpg____ http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2180513900045078242S500x500Q851.jpg

I sent a PM to Salem to find out if Salem had called it in. Salem responded that he/she did call-in on Aundria's side. Now I just need to find out what ever became of Salem's call-in.


Here is the comparison using the superimposed eyes from the original postmortem photo.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2707460250045078242S425x425Q851.jpg______http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2180513900045078242S500x500Q851.jpg

Salem
02-21-2010, 11:31 AM
Nice work Carl. I'm looking forward to any response you receive.

Salem

cj1132
02-22-2010, 08:35 AM
I have come across Aundria's picture many times and always felt that I'd seen a UID that looked like her but couldn't remember where. Maybe this was her.

carbuff
02-22-2010, 10:25 AM
Wow, I always wondered why that particular post-mortem photo gave me the willies -- usually they don't bother me in the least. But it's because the eyes don't fit.

CarlK90245
02-22-2010, 11:54 AM
I just spoke with Tom Knaus of the Racine County Sheriff's Office.

He says that he recently took over this case from a previous investigator, and has received literally hundreds of tips on this case. As we were talking, he was browsing through the list, and didn't find Aundria's name, so he doesn't think that she has been submitted before.

(That makes me wonder what became of Salem's tip to the people in charge of Aundria's MP case).

He told me that this one might be difficult to verify because due to Aundria's circumstances of having come from a youth home, she might not have family members from whom to obtain a DNA reference sample. But he will call around and see what he can find on Aundria.

I asked what he thought about the resemblance. He replied that sometimes he receives tips where he knows immediately that it's not her, but he does his best to be open minded and not make initial judgments one way or the other. He conceded however, that he does see a pretty good resemblance in this case.

He took my number, and he gave me his desk phone number (which is different from the one listed), and said that if I don't hear from him, to follow-up in a month or two.

Mensch
02-22-2010, 03:27 PM
I am so relieved someone submitted this girl again. I submitted it back last summer to the Child Protection Education of America Organization. However, I think the were in the process of dissolving their organization at that time and when I did not hear from them, I checked back and it was no longer operating.

I recall including in my notes I was trying to obtain other post mortem photos because I thought there were good identifiers on the face of the deceased. This is just opinion, but I feel the more the faces are photo shopped, the greater the chance for loosing possible identifiers. I have used various methods of enhancement on the "original" photo (or as close as we have) and see what I believe to be small moles or markings that are not temporary blemishes. For instance, on the morgue Doe photo you can magnify the image and see on HER LEFT cheek (our right as we view) under and near the corner of her eye what appears to be a mole or raised area. Then on the same side of her face near the bridge of the nose there are tow more spots, one on top of the other with the same appearance. Nothing significant unless these are indeed permanent markers.

Now, check Aundria's photo and the same 'blemishes' are there in the same spot, which indicates to me these are moles or other permanent blemishes. Also note Aundria's left side of the lower lip (better seen enhanced and enlarged), it is slightly misshapen which also matches the Doe.

I wonder about a lot of submitted cases. Actually, I think little thought or care is put into these cases. For LE, they are is the time factor and agencies are not paying overtime. For non-profit organizations, they are money making organizations. Few care. Some do and we owe them a debt of gratitude. Then again, to be fair, they are overloaded, just as many of us are who are looking at hundreds of case files. Some do get lost in the shuffle. I am looking forward to the response on this one. Stay on them for an answer! :-)

Sorry to be so 'preachy' on which side of the face is left or right, but honestly, I have cases where the scars, marks and tattoos are listed on the wrong side of the body. So, I don't take anything for granted.

CarlK90245
02-23-2010, 02:55 AM
This is just opinion, but I feel the more the faces are photo shopped, the greater the chance for loosing possible identifiers.

By superimposing her own hair over the UID's hair and superimposing her eyes over the UID's "fake" eyes, and removing all other irrelevant differences between photos, it enables one to focus on the important points of comparison.

In this case, her narrow pointy chin, distinctive nose (at the bridge, the tip, and the nostrils), protruding teeth, and cheekbones are spot-on IMO.

The only place I see a difference is her eyebrows, but her eyebrows are similar in shape. They are only different in the density and darkness of the hair. I don't know how much of that difference is a normal effect of 10 years in aging and terrible living conditions.

Babyslims
02-23-2010, 04:27 AM
I am so relieved someone submitted this girl again. .



Me too!!!! I can't wait for a response. Hopefully it doesnt take 1 or two months, If so it would be nice if they had an unedited photo of this jane doe to help find other possible matches. I know you shouldn't go strictly on photo's but I believe it helps!
Besides that other girl from overseas ( sorry bad memory) I think Aundria is one of the best potential matches for this jane doe.

Although I must admit the thought of this being Aundria in paticular is very sad! I know they were thinking this jane doe had weeks of abuse leading up to her death, but what if it was really years?!?!?! :mad: I sure hope they catch whoever did this once she's identified.

Anyways, I'm glad to see everyone here, and seeing this case get some much needed attention! This poor girl definately deserves her name back and justice!

b4e
02-23-2010, 07:05 PM
Lil'E, did you ever hear anything about your possible match? I would love to see this case resolved. It has always haunted me, as both bodies were found in the area where I live. (One of them just a couple of miles away...)

Mensch
02-23-2010, 09:48 PM
By superimposing her own hair over the UID's hair and superimposing her eyes over the UID's "fake" eyes, and removing all other irrelevant differences between photos, it enables one to focus on the important points of comparison.

In this case, her narrow pointy chin, distinctive nose (at the bridge, the tip, and the nostrils), protruding teeth, and cheekbones are spot-on IMO.

The only place I see a difference is her eyebrows, but her eyebrows are similar in shape. They are only different in the density and darkness of the hair. I don't know how much of that difference is a normal effect of 10 years in aging and terrible living conditions.

These are very similar Carl and your overlay is excellent. The only thing I am pointing out is that in cases where there is a recognizable face, those putting it out for comparison, including LE agencies and morgues, should not retouch the skin other than cleaning up the obvious. So many agencies are not mentioning minute identifiers such as moles or permanent blemises, which can be seen in the original photo here and they match those of the missing person, unless this is simply a very rare coincidence.

Mensch
02-23-2010, 10:05 PM
Me too!!!! I can't wait for a response. Hopefully it doesnt take 1 or two months, If so it would be nice if they had an unedited photo of this jane doe to help find other possible matches. I know you shouldn't go strictly on photo's but I believe it helps!
Besides that other girl from overseas ( sorry bad memory) I think Aundria is one of the best potential matches for this jane doe.

Although I must admit the thought of this being Aundria in paticular is very sad! I know they were thinking this jane doe had weeks of abuse leading up to her death, but what if it was really years?!?!?! :mad: I sure hope they catch whoever did this once she's identified.

Anyways, I'm glad to see everyone here, and seeing this case get some much needed attention! This poor girl definately deserves her name back and justice!
Hi kaylenbabysims,
The photo is essential. It is a great place to start. Then searching for more photos for comparison. Jump right in and look for cases to post here. Everyone here is very helpful.

Spurser
02-24-2010, 09:58 AM
I agree about the photos. I know every mole and freckle on my kids' bodies. I would be able to recognize a photo of them based on that alone. Heck, I could pick them out of photo line-up of feet. I believe that this poor girl's mother would be able to as well.

Babyslims
02-24-2010, 10:36 AM
I agree about the photos. I know every mole and freckle on my kids' bodies. I would be able to recognize a photo of them based on that alone. Heck, I could pick them out of photo line-up of feet. I believe that this poor girl's mother would be able to as well.

Lol, my granmda has always joked with me if she ever had to identify me she would only need to see the bottom of my foot to confirm my identity!

Is there a list of ruleouts for this Jane doe??? I'm just curious. There was another girl last name Reichart maybe? or something like that maybe (I have the link saved somewhere) i'm sure she's already been mentioned. I think the parents admitted to burrying her though.

CarlK90245
02-25-2010, 11:18 PM
Is there a list of ruleouts for this Jane doe??? I'm just curious. There was another girl last name Reichart maybe? or something like that maybe (I have the link saved somewhere) i'm sure she's already been mentioned. I think the parents admitted to burrying her though.

The investigator in charge of this UID case said that his rule-out list was about 15 pages long with about 30 names on each page. In my most recent e-mail to him, I asked him if Gienevieve Munoz had ever been ruled-out. I also asked if it would be possible to make the list available. I haven't yet received a response.

Unless the list is kept electronically, it is unlikely that they would go through the trouble to get a list that long into a format that could be easily transmitted.

Hopefully, the Aundria Bowman submission will eliminate the need for a rule-out list.

b4e
02-25-2010, 11:47 PM
Tom Knaus is definitely one of the good guys. In a previous job, I served him coffee several times a week. I am so relieved to hear he is working on this case!

chaddylex
02-25-2010, 11:54 PM
Carl,

I am so glad you joined Websleuths! You bring such a good, keen eye to alot of these unidentified cases... (not that others haven't), but you seem like you should be a CSI...seriously!


I really think that overlay looks like Aundria.

I hope LE sends you a copy of the rule outs, just so if it's not Aundria, we will know who else the UID was compared to before we would send it in as a Possible Match!

Babyslims
02-26-2010, 02:42 AM
:toast: Chaddylex I totally agree!!! Carl's been so helpful in so many cases! :woohoo:

Well Carl if he decides that list can be made public, I'm sure there's tons of people (myself included) that could get the names listed in whatever format it needs to be in!

I always wondered if you could volunteer at a PD to do this type of thing. I've been afraid to call and ask :blushing:

Billylee
02-26-2010, 08:23 PM
Ditto, good work Carl. I would have replied before you even did the photoshop work, that the teeth looked right to me. :)

Fairy1
03-01-2010, 08:59 PM
Great job carl! I sure hope something comes of this submission. This poor girl needs a name and Aundria deserves to have someone looking for her.

zinc
03-11-2010, 04:29 PM
(bumping)

Rudolf
03-12-2010, 12:25 PM
(bumping)

Thanks, zinc

CarlK90245
03-26-2010, 11:42 AM
I left a message with Tom Knaus yesterday, and received this reply:

I am still working with the Detectives in Michigan but we do not know either way at this time. I'll let you know as soon as we find out.
Tom


I replied back to ask for verification (for WS member Lil'E) of whether Gienevive Munoz of Biloxi MS had been officially ruled-out. I will update if I get a response.

CarlK90245
03-30-2010, 03:46 PM
While waiting for results from the Aundria Bowman/Crystal Rae submission, I tried doing my trace overlay comparison technique on the two photos.

Aundria is turned slightly to her right, so the lateral dimensions are not perfectly comparable, and Crystal Rae's head is tilted upward, causing her ears to appear to sit lower (not to mention her cauliflower ear condition). However, the vertical comparison lines up virtually spot-on, from her chin to her two front teeth, to her nose to her eyes.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2942006760045078242S425x425Q851.jpg

And here is another trick. If you copy the two images and paste them onto a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, you can drag them over one-another, and as one image is being dragged it becomes transparent, so that you can see the other image underneath it.

Using this technique with these two photos, the noses, chins, teeth, and eyes become indistinguishable from one another.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2321688860045078242S600x600Q851.jpg

This MS Excel trick is very quick and easy, and I suggest that you all use it when checking out a postmortem photo against a possible match (i.e., if the head angles are comparable).

smarties
03-30-2010, 03:50 PM
I was always haunted by this story as well, but at least the jerks who did it are in jail. my guess is she was probably 18 or 19 but if she was cognitively disabled, may have appeared to be younger or immature. Probably a runaway and my guess is they picked her up and then took her to wherever and tortured and killed her. I wonder, if she was with them for all that time, did they never get a name from her? She could have run away from foster care or a group home. A kid who is disabled and missing, their parents would be hysterically trying to find them and the police would be out looking. And how far could a kid like that travel on their own? a terrible story...

CarlK90245
03-30-2010, 03:58 PM
I was always haunted by this story as well, but at least the jerks who did it are in jail. my guess is she was probably 18 or 19 but if she was cognitively disabled, may have appeared to be younger or immature. Probably a runaway and my guess is they picked her up and then took her to wherever and tortured and killed her. I wonder, if she was with them for all that time, did they never get a name from her? She could have run away from foster care or a group home. A kid who is disabled and missing, their parents would be hysterically trying to find them and the police would be out looking. And how far could a kid like that travel on their own? a terrible story...

I was unaware that the perps were apprehended. Do you have a link to any info with regard to this case?

Roselvr
04-01-2010, 09:03 AM
On her Doe Network page there is a link to an article dated a year after she was found. They say there are similarities to another case for which 3 men were arrested. For some reason, I can't seem to link it here. It's the:

jsonline.com (http://jsonline.com) article.

Here is the case you're speaking of Fairy. http://www2.jsonline.com/news/racine/jul00/doer16071500a.asp


Also, look at this. http://www.racineco.com/sheriff/crimebulletin.aspx

Do you think that all these cases could be related to the three men charged in Illinois? Amber was from IL and found in Racine, WI after a similar experience. The woman killed in IL also was very badly beaten and seems to have some sort of issues physically. Racine UID is probably related to these in some way.

Here is also the other thread in cold cases that has some possible ID's on it as well. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48408&highlight=Racine+WI)

from the 1st page

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sam spade
04-03-2010, 10:51 PM
So, has there been any response that Racine Jane Doe is Aundria? Another person I have for submission as being jane doe is this girl:




Case Handled By:

Royal Canadian Mounted Police

MYRIAM ISABELLA KNIAZ Age Progression
Case Type: Missing DOB: 20-Oct-1965
Missing Date: 15-Nov-1981 Sex: Female
Age Now: 44 Height: 5'5" (165 cm)
Missing City: STE-FOY Weight: 112 lbs (51 kg)
Missing State : QUEBEC Hair Color: Brown
Missing Country: Canada Eye Color: Brown
Case Number: RCMP9800959
Circumstances: Myriam was last seen at her foster home. Myriam's photograph has been age-progressed to 37 years of age. Myriam may also go by the name of Mirriam Isabella KNIAZ.

I would include her pic but I can't seem to get it to post. Sorry.

CarlK90245
04-03-2010, 11:48 PM
So, has there been any response that Racine Jane Doe is Aundria? Another person I have for submission as being jane doe is this girl:

I would include her pic but I can't seem to get it to post. Sorry.

No, they are still going through the motions to verify the Aundria Bowman submission.
I would include her pic but I can't seem to get it to post. Sorry.

Here is the link and the photos.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/510dfqc.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MKniaz.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/MKniaz1.jpg

She does resemble Crystal Rae. Of course, I am biased to the idea that Aundria is Crystal Rae, but as long as there is no confirmation on Aundria, if you think it's her, I suggest that you call it in, or send them an e-mail. It can't hurt.

ETA: I tried aligning the photos of Myriam and CR, and it looks like Myriam's nose is longer and her face is wider.

Lady Stardust
04-04-2010, 12:08 PM
Hi everyone,

according to buttercup72's post on page 2 in this thread, Myriam Kniaz has already been ruled out as being Racine Jane Doe. Here is the post:


[...]


I am not sure if law enforcement here as ever contacted offiicials concerning Nyleen as a possible match for Racine Jane Doe. But I did contact the lead investigator about one match, and what a match it was--at least I thought it was. I copied and pasted below my original email to the detective--

Dear Mr. Knaus,

I am emailing you in regards to the unidentified female victim found in Raymond July '99.

First let me say, I am not part of law enforcement--I am just a normal everyday person who has been bothered by this case since day one. I lived in Racine for 20 years and now reside in Kenosha County and I am married and have three children. Recently, and I don't know what provoked me to do so, I started looking at missing persons websites trying to find Jane Doe a match. I even went as far as creating a myspace page for her just to get her face out there. I have literally viewed thousands of possible matches, without much luck. There are a few that I think possibly fit her description but not so much as one that I stumbled upon today.

The picture can be viewed at the Doenetwork http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/510dfqc.html The picture gave me goose bumps. The Doe Network:
Case File 510DFQC

Left 2: Kniaz at age 16 & 12; Right: Age-Progressed images
Myriam Isabella Kniaz
Missing since November 15, 1981 from Ste-Foy, Quebec, Canada.
Classification: Missing

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: October 20, 1965
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'5" - 165 cm; 112 lbs - 51 kg
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown eyes; brown hair.
Clothing: She was last seen wearing blue jeans, brown shoes, a blue/white vest and a short green coat
Dentals: Not available
AKA: Mirriam Isabella Kniaz
Other: She speaks French and English. DNA available

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Circumstances of Disappearance
Myriam was last seen at her foster home in 1981.
She is a habitual runaway from group and foster homes.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police
877-318-3576
NCIC Number:
M-850705772
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.
Source Information:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children

Below are pics of Jane Doe just to refresh your memory.
I know Myriam is a little older than Jane Doe was first thought to be, and the height is a little shorter than stated but I know that can't always be a determining factor when matching. I think the first description described Jane Doe as being 18-35, then I think I read she was between the ages of 13-25. So Myriam does fit into the ages described. I wasn't sure which investigator/detective to send this to, so I sent it to the both of you.

I hope this is her, not that I want to wish anybody dead. But it would be nice to give the girl a name and maybe catch the monster that did this to her. If this is not her, I am going to continue my search for her. Please contact me if this is a match.

Thank you,

**********************
I emailed this to the investigator a week or so prior to my vacation and when I returned home just last week, there was a reply in my inbox from the investigator. Unfortunately, Jane Doe is not Myriam. At one time or another and I am not sure how long ago this was, the investigating officials also thought Jane doe was Myraim, but DNA did not make a match.

CarlK90245
04-28-2010, 01:41 PM
I just spoke with Tom Knaus, and he updated me on the progress of the Aundria Bowman possible match.

They are moving forward on this, and for various reasons, it is taking a long time to verify this possible match. He asked me to keep certain things confidential, and so I will honor his request.

However, he did say that it was OK to mention here that of the hundreds of tips that he has received, this is the one that he feels the most excited about. But he cautioned that he has been wrong before, and we should never be so sure about these things.

He also said that Gienevive Munoz of Biloxi MS was ruled-out, although he did not have the case-file in front of him to verify the basis for the rule-out.

cj1132
04-28-2010, 07:35 PM
I'm going to be surprised if Aundria is not a match.

forthelost
05-02-2010, 09:47 PM
Did anyone find out if Lurline Buergeron was ever ruled out?

CarlK90245
05-02-2010, 10:43 PM
Did anyone find out if Lurline Buergeron was ever ruled out?

I didn't ask about Lurline, although I was thinking about it. I asked about Gienevive Munoz, and when he said he didn't have his list in front of him, I didn't bother putting out a second name. If he has a list several hundred names long, I am sure that he would not remember specific names off of the top of his head.

Spurser
05-05-2010, 11:08 PM
Did anyone find out if Lurline Buergeron was ever ruled out?


Lurline has always been my pick. I wish there was a better picture of her so Carl could work his magic.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bergeron_lurline.html

CarlK90245
06-01-2010, 07:02 PM
I just found another photo of Aundria Bowman in NamUs.

https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/1830/1/

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Missing%20Persons%20Photos/2976567500045078242S500x500Q851.jpg

I would be very surprised if it turns out that she and Crystal Rae are not one in the same (See Side Comparison at Link).

WARNING - POSTMORTEM PHOTO AT LINK
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2665753510045078242S600x600Q851.jpg

Both she and Crystal Rae have the same asymmetrical chins. Unlike the previous photo, you can see her left ear, but since Crystal Rae had cauliflower ears from being beaten, you can't compare them to her healthy ears at 14. And other than CR's broken nose and a slightly higher camera vantage point in Aundria's photo, their noses match up perfectly.

Another thing - It says that Fingerprints are "available elsewhere", although I don't believe this to be true. It also says that "Dental information / charting is available and will be entered later."

This would be an interesting development if it was true, because I believe that they have dentals on Crystal Rae. I will contact Det. Knaus tomorrow to verify.

RubyRed
06-22-2010, 01:49 PM
DO YOU KNOW ME? WISCONSIN JANE DOE 1999


http://content9.clipmarks.com/clog_clip_cache/amplify.com/0729308C-0A43-435A-ABFA-73A8B96A4A8E/C46847A5-24E7-40E9-B2B5-C59C48ACBAE8





http://content6.clipmarks.com/clog_clip_cache/amplify.com/0729308C-0A43-435A-ABFA-73A8B96A4A8E/46A0192A-384C-42D6-849D-969079A370AC



http://content7.clipmarks.com/clog_clip_cache/amplify.com/0729308C-0A43-435A-ABFA-73A8B96A4A8E/4934912B-C8CC-470C-A737-047E2BF16AB8

This young female suffered terribly in the weeks prior to her death.
It goes beyond the simple label of abuse…she was tortured.
She had been tortured for a period of 2 to 4 weeks prior to her death. Her upper torso was covered in a range of burns of varying degrees covering 25 percent of her body, she died of multiple injuries including blunt trauma to the head, chest and abdomen. The woman’s arms, legs and pubic area were also traumatized.
She had been beaten so badly, perhaps with a blunt object, that her left ear was deformed.
She had received blunt force injury to her head, had a broken nose, cuts on her head and on the bridge of her nose and scrapes to her forehead. She also suffered blunt force injuries to her chest, abdomen, wrists, hands and fingers, and had numerous cuts over her body.
The 2 to 4 week period of torture is quite certain as the many burns and bruises were at different stages of healing. 3 to 5 days before her death, the torture increased significantly and she final succumbed to the torture and died. Her lifeless body was then unceremoniously dumped in a cornfield.
She also showed signs of malnutrition.
She had slightly protruding front teeth, several teeth were either missing or decayed.
She also may have been cognitively disabled.
Her death, is ruled to be the result of multiple homicidal injuries.
1,500 people have been checked and ruled out as being this Jane Doe.

Although not certain, there is a possibility that this woman may never have been born in the USA. She may have been from the Ukraine in Eastern Europe, given the high volume of Ukrainians employed in the area at the time. This is not certain but should be considered. Law Enforcement thought the possibility good enough to put her cas file on Interpol.

http://angelbound.amplify.com/2010/04/27/do-you-know-me-wisconsin-jane-doe-1999/

Billylee
06-22-2010, 11:52 PM
Any word on Aundria here?

CarlK90245
06-23-2010, 12:00 AM
Any word on Aundria here?

This submission is about due for a status check. I'll try giving him a call tomorrow.

Cubby
06-23-2010, 01:05 AM
I forgot who originally posted this. (sorry)

Someone posted this earlier in this thread.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2665753510045078242S600x600Q851.jpg

Am I seeing numerous moles match up?

Anyone?

and CarlK' do you think it would help to invert the colors on these?

Varye
06-28-2010, 08:30 PM
I went to school with Aundria. The jane doe does resemble her a great deal except for the small gap between her teeth. That of course could have been caused by the tooth decay.

From what I remember there was very very little media coverage about Aundria. It just boggles my mind that someone can just vanish into thin air with out a trace. :banghead:

CarlK90245
06-28-2010, 09:22 PM
I forgot who originally posted this. (sorry)

Someone posted this earlier in this thread.

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2665753510045078242S600x600Q851.jpg

Am I seeing numerous moles match up?

Anyone?

and CarlK' do you think it would help to invert the colors on these?

Here is the side-by side and inverted using Aundria's Blue Background photo. Inverting Aundria's reddish-tinted photo doesn't help much, as the photo is of poor quality and color balance.

Warning Postmortem photo at link:
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q697/Carlkopp90245/Side-By-Side%20Comparisons/2873201050045078242S600x600Q851.jpg

I pointed out one location where they might have common moles. There is another location slightly above that and to her left (i.e. the viewer's right) where there might be common blemishes. Also one of the large moles about an inch above and to her right of her right corner of Jane Doe's mouth might have a counterpart on the reddish-tinted photo of Aundria

Not sure if I should get really excited about it. I see a couple on Aundria that aren't apparent on Jane Doe. But who is to say whether these are permanent blemishes.

And since there is a 10-year difference, and additional blemishes might develop during that time, we should only be comparing from Aundria to the Jane Doe photo, and not vice-versa.

Cubby
06-30-2010, 10:38 PM
I'm going to be surprised if Aundria is not a match.


Me too. I had thought I had posted I am as excited about this possible match as I was the first time we had seen the pictures of Tawni Mazzone in comparison to the Maricopa Jane Doe. MJD's morgue photo's were removed from WS per her families request after she was officially id'd as Tawni. (Tawni's forum is still here but read only). I would be incredibly surprised if these two are not a match. I just hope LE is able to get whatever they need to get the official comparison.

mho

Varye
07-07-2010, 07:31 PM
Any updates on this yet?

CarlK90245
07-07-2010, 08:08 PM
Any updates on this yet?

Nothing yet.

Last time I talked the Racine Detective, he explained to me that it was going to take some time.

Fairy1
07-07-2010, 09:56 PM
Still, I wish they would get a move on. This poor girl deserves to have her name back and her brutal killer needs to be executed in short order!

Varye
07-07-2010, 10:24 PM
Still, I wish they would get a move on. This poor girl deserves to have her name back and her brutal killer needs to be executed in short order!

Well said!! :dance:

Fairy1
07-07-2010, 11:57 PM
Ya know, I've been following little Alisa Maier's case the past couple of days and it got me to thinking about Racine JD. The suspect in Alisa's case lived out in the sticks. A large piece of land with a barn and far away from other people. I have always imagined that our JD here was being held in a place like that, where she was brutally tortured over a long period of time and no one could hear her suffering.

Whoever hurt/murdered her needs to be found and brought to justice. She cannot have suffered and died in vain. Just makes me sick.

4BB
07-08-2010, 01:24 AM
You guys are amazing! I hope we hear something soon.

Cubby
07-08-2010, 01:45 AM
Ya know, I've been following little Alisa Maier's case the past couple of days and it got me to thinking about Racine JD. The suspect in Alisa's case lived out in the sticks. A large piece of land with a barn and far away from other people. I have always imagined that our JD here was being held in a place like that, where she was brutally tortured over a long period of time and no one could hear her suffering.

Whoever hurt/murdered her needs to be found and brought to justice. She cannot have suffered and died in vain. Just makes me sick.


Well said Fairy1.

I think the same when thinking of Ethan Stacy. Like so many stated, if they could have rescued Ethan they would have crossed the country to do so.

I think many of us feel the same about Racine JD. I hope she knows, I like to believe she knows she is not forgotten. I know she wants her name found and I know we want her to know even if we never knew and had the chance to love her in life, she was and is loved.

That said, I think this might be a long wait..... but Racine Doe has been waiting longer than we have, so we can wait with her.

JMO

Fairy1
07-08-2010, 09:36 PM
Well said Fairy1.

I think the same when thinking of Ethan Stacy. Like so many stated, if they could have rescued Ethan they would have crossed the country to do so.

I think many of us feel the same about Racine JD. I hope she knows, I like to believe she knows she is not forgotten. I know she wants her name found and I know we want her to know even if we never knew and had the chance to love her in life, she was and is loved.

That said, I think this might be a long wait..... but Racine Doe has been waiting longer than we have, so we can wait with her.

JMO

You're right, Cubby. Little Ethan's case brought me to my knees. So unbelievably senseless. Not that any of these cases make sense, but he was safe and cherished right where he was with his Daddy and those freaks could have/should have left well enough alone.

With Alisa's case and what I think may have happened to Racine JD, you have to wonder, how much of this carp is going on? How many kids fall through the cracks and into the hands of monsters who have the means to keep them prisoner - where no one can hear their screams and help them - indefinitely?

At least with Racine JD, there are detectives who do care and want nothing more than to find out who she was and how she came to the end to which she came and who is responsible.

That is not always the case. And God bless them for caring for this young girl who met such a cruel fate.

CarlK90245
07-09-2010, 01:48 PM
This poor girl deserves to have her name back and her brutal killer needs to be executed in short order!

Or maybe they should just put him in a boxing ring with Tom Knaus, (the detective in charge of Crystal Rae's case). I recently found this video on YouTube: (Warning: Violent content)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8AZHTJnMR4

CarlK90245
07-14-2010, 02:41 PM
Tom Knaus just returned my call, and we spoke for about 15 minutes. As stated before, certain things must be kept confidential, but I can add the following:

Still, nothing has been settled on this possible match, but he still feels very confident about it, and he reiterated that due to circumstances (which I cannot reveal), it will probably take a long time.

Lurline Buergeron was not on his rule-out list, but when he gets a chance, he will take a look at her case.

He said that he is reluctant to publicize his rule-out list because many of the approximately 1200 rule-outs were on less-than-scientific bases (such as eye-color or height differences). He would prefer to receive a tip for someone who was already on the list and he could re-evaluate the possible and decide whether or not it is worth a second look.

I asked him if the perp was ever apprehended, or whether the other Illinois torture-murder case was ever connected to this one. He responded that he knew which case I was talking about, and the convicted perp is appealing his conviction on the other case. Therefore, he would not be expected to admit to this one, although Tom hopes to someday interview the perp when the appeals are exhausted. But Crystal Rae's murder remains unsolved (both with regard to her identity, and with regard to the perp).

He also said that as far as he knows, there are no dentals available for Aundria (as indicated in NamUs).

Varye
09-10-2010, 09:45 PM
bumping

SyraKelly
09-11-2010, 10:38 PM
Is there anything new happening with this young lady? I have searched countless photos for the past 2 yrs and have come up empty.Someone out there has to know this girl..she really has haunted me for 2 yrs..

Fairy1
09-11-2010, 10:54 PM
Is there anything new happening with this young lady? I have searched countless photos for the past 2 yrs and have come up empty.Someone out there has to know this girl..she really has haunted me for 2 yrs..

She haunts me too.

There was a case posted in Crimes in the News yesterday about a young runaway woman who has been tortured and abused for a couple of years in MO. I was wondering if there was any connection, but it seems unlikely - based on the distance.

BTW - WELCOME!!! Glad to have some new eyes on this case.

SyraKelly
09-12-2010, 01:04 PM
Thank you for the nice welcome!
I just thought I let you all know that I go to a site at www.findthemissing.org and
www.idenifyus.org and this website posts missing and unidenified people and they post
names that have been ruled out as the person.But I do not see our Jane Doe from
Racine on there.I am going to see if I can add her and maybe the police who are working
her case will post the names that can be ruled as her.Also if you like to leave her a message at her grave site,you can at www.findagrave.com

CarlK90245
09-12-2010, 03:45 PM
I am going to see if I can add her and maybe the police who are working her case will post the names that can be ruled as her.

I've already asked the detective in charge of Crystal Rae's case if he would publicize his rule out list, and he said that he does not want to do that.

He says that he has hundreds of names on his list, and is unable to do DNA, fingerprints, or dental evaluations on all of them. Many of the persons listed he considers unlikely because of height, eye color, age, circumstances, etc., but he prefers to maintain his option to re-evaluate whether there might be a reason to take a second look.

He explained that he would prefer that if someone feels strongly about a particular MP, they can still call it in and not be dissuaded from doing so based on the person being on his list.

SyraKelly
09-12-2010, 05:17 PM
OK..I understand..I just thought it was strange that she is not on that website after all the news about her being found and not identified.The case has to be presented by someone in LE or from the Medical Examiner to be added. I just think it would be so much easier if we knew who
is ruled out as being her.

Spurser
09-13-2010, 07:29 PM
She is on identifyus.org. At one time she was listed as male. I see that they have since corrected that.

I'll try to post the link.

https://identifyus.org/cases/4741

Spurser
09-13-2010, 07:36 PM
Oh yeah, welcome Syra!

CarlK90245
09-13-2010, 07:52 PM
She is on identifyus.org. At one time she was listed as male. I see that they have since corrected that.

I'll try to post the link.

https://identifyus.org/cases/4741

An interesting thing I noticed on the dental chart - it indicates that she had all four wisdom teeth removed. If Aundria Bowman spent 10 years as a runaway/wanderer, would she have gone to a dentist to have her wisdom teeth removed?

She was too young to have wisdom teeth prior to her disappearance.

tamar
09-13-2010, 08:56 PM
If her wisdom teeth were causing her enough pain, or if she had a time of relative stability within those 10 years, then it is plausible that she had them removed.
The poor dental health makes me suspect she was addicted to drugs, but it takes time for teeth to decay and that gradual decline could have been interrupted due to a duration in rehab or perhaps a charitable donation.

I have paid for someone's dental work as an act of charity.

I feel Aundria is still the closest match.

mtrooper
09-13-2010, 09:48 PM
I think she is still a possible match. She was only 3 months away from being 16, and wisdom teeth errupt when you are 15-25. If she had been to a denist before she went missing and her wisdom were impacted they might have removed them for space so some of the apparent crowding issues might resolve themselves.

mtrooper
09-13-2010, 11:27 PM
I think she is still a possible match. She was only 3 months away from being 16, and wisdom teeth errupt when you are 15-25. If she had been to a denist before she went missing and her wisdom were impacted they might have removed them for space so some of the apparent crowding issues might resolve themselves.

CarlK90245
09-14-2010, 12:43 AM
Using Camtasia, I created a video to morph Crystal Rae's photo into Aundria Bowman's.

WARNING - POSTMORTEM PHOTO CONTAINED IN VIDEO BELOW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS5J5FjCfIo

Aside from the eyebrows, the transition looks pretty seamless.

tamar
09-14-2010, 07:01 AM
Carl your overlay is very compelling. The angle of the head and the difference in contracted muscles (vs lax) easily explain the difference in the eyebrows. The rest of the overlay is so precise it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

I would love to get a hold of any of Aundria's addresses because I bet it wouldn't be that difficult to find her local dentist(s). As a foster child, it stands to reason that she went to dentists that were Medicaid providers. Depending on the state, they can be few and far between, because the billing is a pain in the hinder regions and the reimbursement is typically pennies on the dollar. Often dentists that do take patients on a state program are right out of school and want to build a patient base. Id est, there is a strong likelihood any dentist who treated Aundria is still alive and kicking. Also, I find that most dentists hate to purge their records, so even though a dentist might retire, it is common that his/her practice and patient base remain-- because an associate takes over the business.